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OUT THE SWEATER FOR ONE DAY.[Call to Order]
LIKE, TO WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE, UH, MONDAY, OCTOBER 17TH, 2022, REGULAR SESSION OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL, HELD AT THE 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.UM, WE'LL BEGIN THE EVENING, UH, WITH PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, UH, BY COUNCILMAN SINNIA, UNITED STATES, ONE NATION UNDER INDIVISIBLE D IF YOU'LL JOIN ME IN INVOCATION BEVERLY.
FATHER, WE COME TO YOU WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, UH, FOR THE MEANING.
UH, MANY BLESSINGS YOU BESTOW ON US.
MY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS OF SERVICE, MEN AND WOMEN AND EMPLOYEES.
WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP THEM SAFE.
WE ALSO ASK FOR YOUR CONTINUED HELP WITH THE, UH, PEOPLE IMPACTED BY HURRICANE IAN.
FATHER, PLEASE GIVE THE COUNSEL THE WISDOM, GUIDANCE, AND COURAGE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
IN YOUR NAME, WE OFFER UP THIS PRAYER.
UH, JUST A NOTE ON THE AGENDA, REGULAR AGENDA.
WE HAVE ITEM FIVE AS, UH, BEEN REQUESTED TO BE REMOVED, UH, AND DEFERRED TO NOVEMBER 7TH.
WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON ITEM FIVE.
SO I'LL MOVE YOU UP TO VISITOR'S COMMENTS SO YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO US.
SINCE YOU MADE, SINCE YOU KENT MADE IT TO THE MEETING, UH, MOVE
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ON TO SPEAKING VISITOR COMMENTS.AND, UH, WE HAVE VISITORS COMMENTS.
THIS ITEM'S AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON ISSUES NOT ON THE AGENDA.
CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENTED ISSUE, NOR MAY THEY MAY ANY ACTION BE TAKEN ON ANY ISSUE AT THIS TIME.
ANY TI ANY ITEM PRESENTED COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA OF A FUTURE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.
SO WE HAVE, UH, MR. HUNTER, YOU'RE UP FOR VISITOR'S COMMENTS.
SO, UH, PROBABLY A COUPLE QUESTIONS YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT.
MY NAME IS GARY HUNTER, ONE 17 MESQUITE STREET.
UM, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE ANYWAY STREET, UM, SCENARIO FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.
YOU KNOW, AS Y'ALL PROBABLY KNOW, UM, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT RESULTING FROM AN OVERSPEED ON ANY WAY STREET THAT RAN INTO A PERSON'S HOUSE FOR UNFOR.
YOU KNOW, FORTUNATELY NO ONE WAS INJURED.
UM, BUT THAT'S BEEN ALMOST A YEAR AGO, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE STILL DISCUSSING THIS.
OKAY? I KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC MITIGATION OR CALMING PROCEDURES THAT TAKE PLACE.
AND I HAVE A PARTICULAR ISSUE WITH, UH, THE, UM, SURVEYS THAT WE DO IN WHICH WE EMPLOY THIS 95 PERCENTILE RULE.
AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, THAT, UM, IT'S NOT THE 95 PERCENTILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. AND WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS THEM IN A COUPLE OF WAYS.
CONSTANTLY LEAVE A POLICE OFFICER ON PATROL, OKAY? WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE MOST PART, OKAY? YOU CAN DO IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, BUT AS SOON AS THEY'RE GONE, THE PROBLEM COMES BACK.
SO YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A STATIC, PRO STATIC SITUATION THAT TAKES CARE OF THE PROBLEM.
AND, AND SPEED BUMPS IS, IS A SOLUTION THAT IS A LONG STRETCH OF ROAD.
NOW, UM, THIS IS BIG TRAFFIC PROBLEM.
IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH RUSH HOUR AND SCHOOL HOURS.
AND WHEN OYSTER CREEK BACKS UP FROM THAT WAY TO 2 88 AT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT, PEOPLE THAT USE THAT WAY TO COMMUTE TOWARDS THAT DESTINATION WIND UP ON THE BACK OF A LINE AT THAT WAY STREET.
IF THEY WERE TO TAKE A SHORTCUT THROUGH ANYWAY, WHICH IS THE FIRST AVAILABLE STREET TO CUT THROUGH, WHICH IS A STRAIGHT FLY THROUGH, THEY'LL TAKE THAT.
IF THEY CAN'T, IF THEY MISS THAT ONE, THEY DO MESQUITE, THEY MISS OUT THAT ONE, THEY DO BO VELIA.
I WALK THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I SEE PEOPLE SPEEDING DOWN TO THE ROADS ALL THE TIME JUST FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASONS.
AND THEY AGREE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY MESSED UP.
NOW YOU GET BACK TO THE POINT IS THAT WE REALLY DO NEED TO ADDRESS HOW WE, UM, MEASURE THESE PROBLEMS AND, AND APPLY CORRECTIVE MEASURES.
AND I WAS REALLY HOPING THAT WE WOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT TONIGHT.
I MENTIONED IT SEVERAL TIMES, I THINK IN A, IN A EMAIL,
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UH, TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU.UM, AND I VOLUNTEERED TO HELP MR. BLANCHARD TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS ON IT THAT WAY.
SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS.
UH, EITHER YOU GUYS ARE SHUTTING ME OUT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
NO, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
THE REASON WHY I WAS DELAYED WAS BECAUSE MR. BLANCHARD IS WANTING TO GO AND SPEAK TO THE RESIDENTS.
AND HE WAS, HE WAS, HE WAS OUTTA TOWN JUST LIKE IT WAS LAST WEEK.
SO HE WANTED MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND TALK TO THE CITIZENS.
IF YOU HAD CALLED ME, I COULD HAVE HELPED.
SO I DIDN'T NEVER SEE AN EMAIL FROM HIM.
WELL, APPARENTLY THE EMAIL ADDRESS THAT'S ON THE, UH, WEBSITE FOR YOU IS INCORRECT CUZ IT BOUNCED.
UM, AT ANY RATE, UM, DISCUSSIONS ON A NEXT DOOR IN RECENT DAYS INDICATES THAT WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM ACROSS THE CITY, RIGHT? SEVERAL STREETS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT SPEEDERS AND, UH, WHAT CAN THEY DO TO GET, YOU KNOW, A SPEED BUMP? OKAY? AND I POINTED THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION PER THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION FIRST.
AND THEN AFTER THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION MAKES THE RECOMMENDATIONS, IT COMES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHICH IS KIND OF A, WHAT'S TAKEN US ALMOST A YEAR TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE ON ANY WAY STREET.
UM, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS IN A, IN A, IN A, IN A WAY.
AND I, I'M THINKING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, SPEED BUMPS CAUSE OTHER PROBLEMS. OKAY? EXCESS IS NOISE FROM PEOPLE SLOWING DOWN AND THEN ACCELERATING AWAY FROM THE SPEED BUMP.
UM, AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT SPEED BUMPS SAY THAT, UH, UH, THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL LIABILITY ISSUES FOR THE CITY.
AND THE FACT THAT PEOPLE CAN DAMAGE THEIR CARS.
WELL, I ARGUE THAT THERE'S A CURB ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT'S NOT A LIABILITY ISSUE.
AND THE DRIVER CAN HIT THOSE CURBS AND THEY HAVE IN THESE ACCIDENTS, OKAY? AND NOBODY GETS LIABLE FOR THAT.
OKAY? SO I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THERE SHOULD BE SOME QUICK ACTION DONE.
I WANT THE, I WANT THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, OR THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION TO CONSIDER EVEN TEMPORARY ROAD BUMPS.
YOU MOVE THEM IN PLACE, YOU GET A RESULT, IT GETS THE MESSAGE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE DRIVERS THAT USES THAT ROAD THAT THEY NEED TO WASH THEIR SPEED.
YOU PULL IT BACK UP, YOU DO ANOTHER SPEED STUDY.
IF THEY START SPEEDING IT, THE OUTLIERS START POPPING UP AGAIN.
THAT WAY THE NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THE NOISE AND THAT PROBLEM ALL THE TIME.
UM, I THINK, I THINK THAT SUMS UP EVERYTHING I GOT TO SAY ABOUT ANYWAY, STREET.
WAS THERE ANOTHER THING THAT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT? UH, LET'S WATCH VISITOR'S COMMENTS.
CAUSE A PREVIOUS MEETING ABOUT THE RABBITS AND THE CHICKENS.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S AN AGENDA ITEM, SO, OKAY.
DO YOU WANT TO OH, NO, I THINK YOU TOOK CARE OF IT.
ANY OTHER VISITORS COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE DOWN, SO.
[PRESENTATIONS]
PRESENTATIONS.FOLLOW GARBAGE CAN KEEP THE BUCKET TOGETHER.
GARBAGE
SO THIS IS THE PROCLAMATION, THIS, UH, PROCLAMATION I, GERALD ROSKI, BY VIRTUE AUTHORIZED, UH, AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, TO HEAR ABOUT NOVEMBER 6TH, 2022, AS THE RAPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DEAD.
WHEREAS RAPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA IS CELEBRATING THEIR 40TH SEASON PERFORMING SINCE 19 NOVEMBER 7TH, 1982.
AND WHEREAS BRAZOSPORT SY SYMPHONY, GOD, MY LIPS ARE NOT WORKING, UH, ORCHESTRA IS A DEDICATED GROUP OF MEN AND WOMEN WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO PROMOTE AN INTEREST IN MUSIC CULTURE, ACTIVITIES, AND CULTURE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE VALUABLE RESOURCES, AS WELL AS A SOURCE OF CIVIC PRIDE TO THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
AND WHEREAS THESE 40 SEASONS OF MUSIC HAVE BEEN ENJOYED BY THE COMMUNITY, AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT THE BRAD SUPPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA HAS DONE TO ENRICH THE LIVES OF MANY UNDER DIRECTION OF CONDUCTOR BRIAN CASEY.
WE WISH THE BRAD'S SUPPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA MANY MORE YEARS AHEAD.
WHEREAS THE BRADS SUPPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE ENRICHMENT OF THE LIVES OF OUR CITIZENS.
AND SO WE ASK OUR CITIZENS TO RECOGNIZE THE EFFORTS AND ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE BRIGHTS SPORT SYMPHONY
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ORCHESTRA.NOW, THEREFORE, WE, THE MAYOR IN THE CITY OF CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, DO HERE BY US PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 6TH, 2022 AS BRADLEY SUPPORTS SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA DATE, AND THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, WHO LIKE TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THEIR VITAL CONTRIBUTE CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS.
YOU WANNA TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT THE ORCHESTRA? I CAN.
SHOULD I FACE THE AUDIENCE OR THE COUNCIL, OR BOTH? THANKS.
UH, SO I'M PAUL LEMANSKI, AND I'VE BEEN WITH THE BPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA FOR MANY YEARS.
I ACTUALLY PLAYED IN THE VERY FIRST CONCERT.
I WAS, UH, I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL, A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN THE OR PERFORMED.
AND I'VE BEEN BACK FOR ABOUT 17 YEARS.
I PLAYED THE BASSOON, AND I'M ALSO CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE SUPPORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA COUNCIL.
SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO BE HERE.
WE'RE, WE'RE SO PROUD TO PLAY AN ARIAN.
IT HAS NOT BEEN A ARIAN, IT'S JUST AN INCREDIBLE VENUE.
WE'RE SO LUCKY TO HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THE, THE COLLEGE THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO PERFORM THERE.
AND SO, UH, WE PLAYED POPS MUSIC.
WE JUST HAD THE TEXAS COUNTRY GROUP POST HERE IN OCTOBER AND HAD A REALLY GREAT TIME WITH THOSE GUYS.
WE PLAYED POPS, WE PLAYED CLASSICAL MUSIC.
WE'RE HAVING OUR, UM, 40TH ANNIVERSARY CONCERT ON NOVEMBER 6TH.
WE'RE PLAYING BEETHOVEN, SO, UH, AND, AND A LITTLE HAPPY BIRTHDAY MEDLEY.
SO ANYWAY, I INVITE Y'ALL TO COME OUT.
I HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE SYMPHONY.
AND PLEASE, UH, WE'VE GOT SOME MATERIALS WE'LL LEAVE OVER AT THE SIDE IF YOU'D LIKE TO PICK SOMETHING UP ON THE WAY OUT.
AND I'LL SEND YOU SEE YOU ON SUNDAY.
WE HAVE, UH, RAPORT FINE ARTS CENTER.
WESTS, GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR.
COUNCIL, HOW ARE YOU? TONIGHT? THE WES IS, UH, PRESIDENT, RIGHT? OF THE, OF, OF, UH, BRIDES BOARD ARTS.
AND ONE THING'S UNIQUE ABOUT WES IS VERY GOOD BECAUSE, UH, ABOUT COMING TO COUNCIL AND EXPLAINING TO US HOW THEY'RE SPENDING OUR, UH, HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX THAT WE PASS ON TO THEM.
WE, WE, WE TAKE, WE TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND SCIENCES.
WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE GREAT WORK THAT WE DO AT THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND SCIENCES WITHOUT THAT SUPPORT.
AND SO, UH, JOINING ME TONIGHT, UH, OF COURSE WE DO.
WE'RE SO GLAD TO HAVE THAT PROCLAMATION TO THE SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA.
WE'RE SUPER PROUD OF THEM AS WELL.
AND WE, WE SUPPORT THAT ORGANIZATION.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, THE PRESIDENT OF BRAD PORT FINE ARTS COUNCIL WITH US TONIGHT, JIM HILL AND OUR TREASURER TOM FOWLER.
AND I SEE CAROLINE EDWARDS BACK THERE.
SHE IS ONE OF OUR LONGTIME VOLUNTEERS AS WELL.
AND SO SHE'S NOT HERE FOR THIS NECESSARILY, BUT HEY, I'M GONNA POINT HER OUT.
WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORT.
IN FACT, DURING, UH, MAGICABLE YEARS, WE HAVE ABOUT 500 VOLUNTEERS ACROSS ALL OF OUR PARTNER GROUPS WHO COME AND, AND, AND HELP SUPPORT WHAT WE DO.
SO WE WORK HARD, UH, TO, TO, TO BRING A LOT OF VALUE IN, IN, IN, UH, ARTS, CULTURE, HISTORY, SCIENCE, EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE, WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE CENTER FOR THE ARTS AND SCIENCES, WERE MORE THAN JUST A BUILDING, BUT WE ARE A BUILDING OF 44,000 SQUARE FEET.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE RESIDENT PROGRAMS THAT WE SUPPORT BOTH IN THE BUILDING AND OUTSIDE.
SO THAT INCLUDES BRA SUPPORT CENTER STAGES, WHICH HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1943, CONTINUOUS OPERATION, NO MISSED SEASONS, EVEN DURING COVID, WHICH IS PRETTY REMARKABLE.
BRASS SUPPORT MUSEUM OF NATURAL SCIENCE, UH, THE B A SF PLANETARIUM, BRAZOSPORT ART LEAGUE.
AND OF COURSE, ALSO WE SUPPORT BRASS PORT SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA.
HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE PROVIDE ADMINISTRATIVE FACILITIES AND MARKETING SUPPORT FOR ALL THESE PROGRAMS THAT BRING REAL VITALITY AND AN ELEVATED QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS, AND PROVIDE REASONS FOR VISITORS TO TRAVEL TO OUR COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS BEING AN IMPORTANT RESOURCE FOR VISITORS WHO ARE ALREADY HERE LOOKING FOR AN ENRICHING EXPERIENCE.
AS FAR AS TOURISM GOES, WE DESIRE TO CONTRIBUTE SIGNIFICANTLY TO TOURISM IN THIS REGION.
WE KNOW THAT TRAVELERS HERE WILL SPEND THEIR MONEY IF WE GIVE THEM A REASON TO STICK AROUND.
UH, THERE IS A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, DRAFTED AND SIGNED BY BOTH TEXANS FOR THE ARTS AND THE TEXAS HOTEL AND LODGING ASSOCIATION THAT PROVIDES GUIDELINES FOR DETERMINING THE IMPACT ON TOURISM FOR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE ONE THAT I REPRESENT.
IF IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M GOING FAST, I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE AN ENTIRE AGENDA, AND SO I'M TRYING TO KIND OF, UH, RESPECT YOUR TIME HERE.
UH, I AM PROUD TO REPORT THAT OUR ROBUST CAMPAIGN TO PROMOTE CULTURAL TOURISM AND HOTEL STAYS WITH THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS.
ONE IS THAT THEY ASK THAT, UH, THAT OUR, THE RECIPIENT WORKS WITH ITS AREA LODGING OPERATORS AND OR CONVENTION AND VISITORS BUREAUS TO PROMOTE LOCAL ARTS EVENTS.
AND, AND SIMILAR ALSO WITH THE MUSEUM THROUGH HOTEL CONCIERGE SERVICES, TRAINING OF HOTEL STAFF AND ALL OF THAT.
WE ARE CONTINUING OUR HOTEL RELATIONS CAMPAIGN TO COMMUNICATE DIRECTLY WITH HOTEL STAFF AND MANAGERS, ALERTING THEM TO THE ACTIVITIES, EXHIBITS, AND EVENTS
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ASSOCIATED WITH THE CENTER.IN FACT, LAST WEEK WE WENT ALL THE WAY DOWN HOTEL ROW DELIVERING COOKIES AND SCHEDULES, AND WE CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT EVERY MONTH SO THAT THEY CAN, WHENEVER THE GUESTS COME AND SAY WHAT'S THERE TO DO, THEY HAVE PLENTY OF OPTIONS THAT, THAT WE PROVIDE.
UH, ALSO THAT, UH, THAT WE BOOK HOTEL ROOMS FOR VISITING VISITORS AND SUCH.
AND SO WE MAKE A STANDARD PRACTICE THAT BOTH CONS, THE CONSTANT CONTACT, WHICH GOES OUT TO 6,000 EMAIL RECIPIENTS, UH, AND GETS REFRESHED.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, IT STARTS TO GO DOWN IF PEOPLE UNSUBSCRIBE, THEN WE GO BACK UP EVERY TIME WE HAVE NEW PEOPLE REGISTERED THROUGH OUR TICKETING SYSTEM, THAT WE, UH, MAKE STANDARD PRACTICE THAT BOTH THE CONSTANT CONTACT AND OUR TICKETING SYSTEMS, UH, CUSTOMER, UM, MANAGEMENT SERVICE ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO ATTENDING THE EVENTS FROM OUT OF TOWN TO STAY IN AREA HOTELS, ESP AND ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE LOCAL AND HAVE OUT OF TOWN GUESTS COMING.
WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT 'EM UP IN YOUR HOUSE? RIGHT? JUST TELL 'EM TO GO.
WE'LL HAVE BREAKFAST IN THE MORNING, SO COME, COME AND, AND STAY IN A HOTEL.
AND WE REALLY WORK TO DO THAT.
WE ALSO MARKET OUR EVENTS OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL AREA THROUGH, UH, STANDARD MEDIA PROMOTIONS OR ADVERTISEMENTS, WEBSITES, MAILING LISTS AND SUCH.
AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE, THE CURRENT TEXAS HIGHWAYS MAGAZINE HAS A HALF PAGE AD FOR OUR BIENNIAL, ELIZABETH AND MADRIGAL FEAST IS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF US REALLY WORKING TO DO THAT.
ANOTHER IS THAT A FUNDED ENTITY MAY SHOW DIRECT IMPACT BY USING LOCAL LODGING FACILITIES FOR GALAS AND SUCH.
THIS LAST YEAR, WE, UH, IN ONE OF, UH, IN, UM, EXCUSE ME, IN THE, IN THE, SORRY, NOW I'M BLANKING ON THE NAME.
NOT THE STAYBRIDGE, BUT MARRIOTT.
WE, WE HOSTED OUR BED ON THE ARTS GALA.
SO THAT WAS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE HOTEL THERE TO PROMOTE.
UM, ALSO THAT WE, UH, THAT WE ALSO FIND OUT WHERE OUR ATTENDEES ARE COMING FROM, NOT ONLY THROUGH ZIP CODES, BUT ALSO BECAUSE WE DO KNOW SOMETIMES THAT LOCALS BUY THE TICKETS.
WE ALSO ASK THE QUESTION, HOW MANY OF YOUR PARTY ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE BRAZORIA COUNTY, KNOWING THOSE ARE MOST LIKELY TO, TO HAVE A, A HIGHER TOURISM IMPACT.
AND SO WE'VE HAD, IN THE GALLERY, AND IN THE MUSEUM, WE'VE HAD TENS OF THOUSANDS OF VISITORS SINCE THE COVID SHUTDOWN.
UH, WE NOW AVERAGE 35% OF THE VISITORS COMING DURING THE DAYTIME HOURS COME FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ASK THEM THAT QUESTION.
UH, FROM THE TIME WE OPENED AFTER THE COVID CLOSURES WERE LIFTED, WE INCREASED THAT YEAR FROM THAT DAY THAT WE OPENED THROUGH THE NEXT YEAR, 126% OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
SO ACTUALLY, IT WAS THE YEAR RIGHT WHEN WE OPENED, THE NEXT YEAR WAS 126% INCREASE.
WELL, THAT'S NOT A BIG STRETCH, BECAUSE EVERYTHING WAS SHUT DOWN WITH COVID.
BUT THE NEXT YEAR, THE NEXT YEAR, UH, IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD, WE HAVE INCREASED VISITOR COUNTS 36% OVER THAT SAME TIME PERIOD.
SO WE'RE REALLY WORKING HARD ON OUR MARKETING TO GET PEOPLE HERE.
UM, CENTER STAGES, FOR INSTANCE, DISNEY'S BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, 17% OF THE ATTENDEES WERE FROM OUTTA TOWN GUESTS.
AND WITH ELIZABETH THE MADWELL FEAST, THE LAST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO DO IT BEFORE COVID WAS 2018, 25% OF THE GUESTS OF OUR 10 SOLD OUT PERFORMANCES WERE FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY.
THIS YEAR, WE ARE ON TRACK TO BEAT THAT RECORD.
WE ARE SO FAR, UH, WE'VE SOLD OVER HALF OF OUR INVENTORY, AND 27% OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE MISSOURI COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE MAKE IN BRINGING PEOPLE IN.
WE ALSO WORK, UH, TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SPREADING THE WORD RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DEVELOPING VIDEO PROMOTIONAL PIECES FOR BOTH THE CENTER AND THE ELIZABETH, THE MADWELL FEES TO ATTRACT THE ATTENTION OF MEDIA GROUPS OUTSIDE OF THE AREA.
BUT BOTTOM LINE, WE COULDN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT SUPPORT.
AND, UH, WE CAN, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE TO, TO, TO DO THE CITY PROUD OVER THE COMING YEARS.
AND I WILL, AT THIS TIME, TAKE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
DO YOU WANNA TELL US ABOUT THE TICKETS THAT ARE ON SALE RIGHT NOW? OH, YEAH.
WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE'VE BEEN DOING THE LI HOW MANY OF YOU HAS ANYONE BEEN TO THE ELIZABETH? THE MAGIC FEAST.
SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN IT BETTER THAN, THAN I CAN, JUST AS A VISITOR EXPERIENCE.
BUT IN SHORT, IT IS A FULLY IMMERSIVE MUSIC, DANCE, AND PERFORMANCE PERIOD, RENAISSANCE BASED, UH, EXPERIENCE.
YOU HAVE SERVERS AND PERFORMERS AND EVERYTHING ON ALL SIDES OF YOU AND THE ENTIRE THING.
THE COSTUMES HAVE BEEN BUILT FROM OUR VOLUNTEER DESIGNERS AND, AND PEOPLE WHO PUT THE COSTUME CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE, UH, OVER SINCE 1988.
IN FACT, TOM'S WIFE, CHERYL, IS THE LEAD DESIGNER FOR THAT.
IT'S PROBABLY OUR MOST VALUABLE ASSET, AT LEAST ON THE THEATER SIDE OF THINGS.
SO MUCH SO THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECRET PLACE THAT WE STORE THEM.
SO NO ONE ELSE RAIDS THAT CLOSET, RIGHT? IT'S
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JUST FOR MADRIGAL FEAST.AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN ON SALES SINCE, SINCE OCTOBER 1ST TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AGAIN, TICKET SALES ARE VERY, VERY STRONG.
WE HAVE PEOPLE CALLING IN FROM ALL OVER THE STATE INTERESTED IN, IN ATTENDING THIS PARTICULAR EVENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LIKE AGE, UH, AGE RESTRICTIONS? IS IT FOR ALL AGES? WITH THAT ONE? I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY THAT PROBABLY TODDLERS ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT TOO YOUNG, JUST BECAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A LONG EXPERIENCE.
IT'S A FULL EVENING WITH DINNER AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
UH, BUT WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DINOSAURS THERE IN THE MUSEUM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, THAT KIDS LOVE.
AND THOUGH THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY SPECIFICALLY DIRECTLY HOT RELATED, IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT WE DO.
UH, BUT ON SATURDAYS, THEY'VE EXPANDED PLANETARIUM SHOWS TO BE DURING THE TIME THAT, THAT KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL AND FAMILIES WANT TO GO FIND THINGS TO DO.
SO THEY'VE STARTED EXPANDING INTO SATURDAY SHOWS.
AND EVEN TODAY WE STARTED WORKING TOWARDS OPENING UP MORE WHENEVER KIDS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL.
WELL, B ISD WAS OUT OF SCHOOL TODAY.
MAYBE PEOPLE, OTHER DISTRICTS ARE OUT AND THEY WANT TO TRAVEL THIS WAY, YOU KNOW, FOR A LITTLE DAY VACATION.
AND, UH, SO THEY DID TWO SHOWS TODAY IN THE PLANETARIUM.
SO, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE GOOD.
ESPECIALLY THE ONES DURING THE DAY, WE TRY TO GEAR TOWARDS YOUNGER AUDIENCES.
ANY OTHER? I TOOK A, WE TOOK OUR BOYS, OUR SONS, TO THEIR FIRST THEATER EXPERIENCE TO SEE DRACULA.
WAIT, WAIT TILL, UH, THIS SUMMER WHEN THEY SEE, UM, UH, UH, SOUND OF MUSIC.
SO THAT SHOULD BE A LOT OF FUN.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.
I HAVE TO GO TO EMF REHEARSALS, SO FORGIVE ME IF I HAVE TO CUT OUT.
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE ANY, UH, CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, SO'S ANY KIND OF DECLARATION OF CONFLICT THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE ON HEARING.
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CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM ONE IS APPROVED MINUTES FROM OCTOBER OF 3 20 22.
ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARDS AND COMMISSION MINUTES FROM PLANNERS AND TRAFFIC.
ITEM THREE, UH, ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2256 THAT ESTABLISHES REGULATIONS FOR FOOD TRUCKS AND FOOD TRUCK COURTS.
APPROVE, RENEW, UH, RENEWING THE CONTRACT FOR MUNICIPAL PROSECUTOR IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $40,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM FIVE, APPROVE PURCHASE, UH, FOR REPLACEMENT OF FOUR MAIN CONSOLES FOR, UH, FROM MOTOROLA SOLUTIONS AND THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $334,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM SIX, AUTHORIZE DOWN PAYMENT OF $900,000 TO SITE'S MARTINS, UH, MARTIN FORD FIRE DEPARTMENT LADDER TRUCK THROUGH HGC CONTRACT, UH, NUMBER FS ONE 12 DASH 19.
AND FINALLY, ITEM SEVEN, AWARD CONTRACTOR GULF FENCE FOR THE PEEWEE COMPLEX AND DUGOUT FENCES REPLACEMENT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $118,226 AS BUDGETED.
IS THERE ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA I, THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY.
I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AS WRITTEN.
ANY OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
MOVE ON TO REGULAR AGENDA AND CHIEF, FEEL FREE TO, TO LEAVE.
YOU GOT A WIFE WITH A KIDNEY STONES, SO
YEAH, HE MIGHT RATHER BE HERE.
[1. Discuss and consider full or partial closure of Huisache Street during construction from November 1, 2022 to April 2023 – Adam Green]
ON REGULAR ITEM, REGULAR AGENDA.WE HAVE ITEM ONES DISCUSSED AND CONSIDERED, UH, FULL OR PARTIAL CLOSURE OF WE SAT STREET, UH, DURING CONSTRUCTION FROM NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022 TO APRIL, 2023.
AND WE HAVE A SP SPOKESPERSON.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT LEE US IN ON THIS, MEGAN, OR JUST THAT? UM, SO I BELIEVE YOU'LL SPEAK ABOUT IT.
I KNOW ADAM COULDN'T BE WITH US TONIGHT.
UM, BUT THE DEVELOPER IS REQUESTING THAT THEY CLOSE THE STREET JUST DURING CONSTRUCTION.
I BELIEVE HE'LL SPEAK ON THE MATTER, BUT IT'S MOSTLY CONCERNING SAFETY.
UM, ALSO JUST EFFICIENCY FOR THEM.
THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE QUICKER IF THIS WAS ALLOWED.
UM, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THERE'S THE OPTION OF ONLY ALLOWING A PARTIAL CLOSING OF THE STREET.
SO MAYBE ALLOWING THEM TO DO HALF INSTEAD OF THE FULL ROAD, WHICH WOULD STILL ALLOW ACCESS TO,
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UH, VEHICLE TRAFFIC.BUT, UM, WE ALSO HAVE SPOKEN WITH B I S D.
THEY DO HAVE A SCHOOL BUS ROUTE THAT GOES THROUGH THIS, UM, THIS STREET, BUT THEY COULD REROUTE IT.
AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DANNY MASSEY WAS COMFORTABLE WITH.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SOME BACKGROUND, AND THEN I'LL LET HIM SORT OF EXPLAIN.
I'M THE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF CONSTRUCTION.
AND, UH, YEAH, STRICTLY SAFETY.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE BUILDING AT AN EMPHATIC PACE.
UH, WE STARTED BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER.
WE'VE ALREADY GOT, UM, 61 HOMES UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
UH, WE'RE FIXING A PERMIT 12 MORE.
AND THEN, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TO GET 90% OF THE COMMUNITY GOING BY DECEMBER.
SO, UM, UH, AS JOSHUA ATTEST, THE CITY INSPECTOR WENT BY THERE AND THERE WAS LIKE A HUNDRED PEOPLE.
HE HAD TO CUT THROUGH A WAVE OF PEOPLE TO GET TO THE SUPERINTENDENT.
UM, SO JUST WITH CONTRACTORS ON SITE, FRAMERS, DELIVERIES THAT ARE GONNA PIPE IN THROUGH THERE, UM, UH, WE'RE MANAGING IT WELL, BUT WE COULD MANAGE IT EVEN BETTER IF WE WERE TO, TO CLOSE OFF AS A DIAGRAM SHOWS, UM, JUST PAST FERN, UM, ON PECAN LANE WHERE OUR PROJECT STARTS.
AND THEN AT HOLLY, UM, TO DO A, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERED A PARTIAL OR FULL, BUT WE, WE CALL THAT A FULL CLOSURE OF THAT AREA.
UM, AGAIN, JUST WITH THE AMOUNT OF DELIVERIES, JUST WITH 60 HOMES, THE ROAD IS LINED, UM, LONG AND DEEP.
AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS GRANTED, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, OR ANY ASSISTANCE WITH BARRIERS THAT WE COULD BORROW, UM, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE STAND.
WE FEEL IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND OUR WORKERS NOT HAVING TO DODGE PEOPLE, UH, CUTTING THROUGH AS WE'RE MAKING THOSE, MAKING THOSE DELIVERIES.
AND WHEN THIS, UH, REQUEST CAME UP, WE DID DO A TRAFFIC STUDY, UM, JUST TO SEE A QUICK TRAFFIC COUNT OF HOW MANY VEHICLES USE THIS ROAD DURING AN AVERAGE DAY.
UM, IT DID FIND THAT WE HAD ABOUT 400 CARS A DAY.
HOWEVER, THIS IS DURING CONSTRUCTION AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC.
IT DOESN'T COUNT WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING, HOW MANY TIMES THEY GO OVER IT, YOU KNOW, ONE VEHICLE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S JUST THE NUMBER OF TIMES WHEELS GO OVER, UM, DURING THE COUNT.
THEY DID A 10 DAY STUDY AND IT WAS ABOUT 400 CARS A DAY.
SO JUST FOR YOUR, SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS, THE CLOSURE WOULD BE 24 HOURS A DAY, CORRECT? YES MA'AM.
SO THERE WOULD BE NO HOURS CORRECT.
THROUGH THE DURATION OF THEIR CONSTRUCTION? CORRECT.
HOW ABOUT OUR EMS SERVICE? UH, IN AMBULANCE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PD.
PD DUE THERE FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION OR STRICTLY FOR AREAS AROUND OUR CONSTRUCTION, AROUND AND, AND FOR SERVICE ALSO, CAN, CAN WE PULL THAT UP ON THE YEAH, YEAH.
IF I LOOK AT FERN, I MEAN, IF YOU GO OUT FERN, THEY'VE GOT CLEAR ACCESS WITH THE REST OF, WE SAT OAK DRIVE IS, IT RUNS PARALLEL, UM, AND CONNECTS TO HOLLY.
YOU KNOW, I, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE A BIG IMPEDIMENT OF, HEY, THIS SHUTS OFF.
HOW MANY RESIDENTS WERE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS GONNA AFFECT, OR DID WE SAY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, THERE ARE OTHER ACCESS POINTS TO GET TO THAT AREA, BUT THERE, THERE'S A FEW NEIGHBORHOODS SURROUNDING THIS CONSTRUCTION SITE.
SO CAN WE KIND OF PINPOINT AND GET A LITTLE CLOSE WITH, YOU DO HAVE A MAP IN FRONT OF YOU TOO THAT THEY PRINTED THE, UH, GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT YOU SAID YOU'VE BEEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION HEAVILY HEAVY IN CONSTRUCTION SINCE SEPTEMBER SOMETHING BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER.
SO HAVE WE GOTTEN ANY, HAVE ANY OF US GOTTEN ANY CALLS FROM PEOPLE IN THAT AREA ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO GET TO THEIR HOMES? I HAVEN'T.
IT'S JUST, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO US WHEN MODESTO WAS TALKING TO ME ABOUT THIS WAS FIRST COMMENT WAS, IS THAT THIS IS PROBABLY GONNA BE A FIRST FOR US BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER REALLY CLOSED DOWN FOR ANY KIND OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST.
AND, BUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS ISN'T A UNIQUE SITUATION WHERE, WHERE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO DO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK EVERY, EVERY ONE OF US UP HERE WOULD BE CONCERNED.
OUR MAIN CONCERN IS, IS THAT IF THERE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES FOR THE OTHER RESIDENTS WITH THE CLOSURES.
THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS, IF YOU KNOW, HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT ALREADY AS FAR AS THE ROADS HAVE BEEN PACKED AND IF WE'VE HAD ANY, UH, CALLS ON IT AND I HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY CALLS ON IT, UH, TO DATE, NO.
AND YOU CAN TELL, UH, COUNCILMAN BAKER, GETTING BACK TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE'S ACCESS ON THAT WAY AND OAK MM-HMM.
SO NO ONE WOULD BE OSTRACIZED WITH THIS.
BUT IT, THEY COULD HAVE A POTENTIAL DELAY.
THIS IS, THIS IS WE SIDE CHAIR? YES, SIR.
AND THEN TO THE RIGHT IS OAK TO THE LEFT IS THAT WAY.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE, THAT'S KARIN.
OKAY, SO THIS IS THE CONSTRUCTION AREA RIGHT HERE AND MM-HMM.
AND THIS IS THE APARTMENT COMPLEX BIKE OVER HERE ON, UH, THIS WHERE? ON
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THAT WAY, THAT WAY, I MEAN THAT WAY.IT'S JUST OAK DRIVE AND GUN AND THEY NEED TO PULL UP A LITTLE BIT NORTH.
WHERE'S, WHERE'S FERN? RIGHT THERE.
YOUR FINGER DOES NOT HAVE A LASER.
AND AGAIN, WE, WE WOULD, CAN'T READ MY MIND.
HOW ABOUT GETTING THAT AHEAD OF FIRM? YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT YEAH, NO SIR.
THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO THE CLOSING.
BUT IF I LIVE ON FERN AND I'M ON OYSTER CREEK DRIVE RUNNING THROUGH THE, THE MAIN VEIN OF THE CITY AND WANT TO GET TO MY HOUSE NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT WAY.
COME BACK ON OAK TO TRY AND GET TO MY HOUSE, RIGHT? YES SIR.
IT JUST INCONVENIENCES EVERYBODY THAT LIVES ON THOSE STREETS.
FRONT COURT AND THE OTHER TWO, DID WE SEND OUT ANY FLYERS TO THE PEOPLE IN THAT RESIDE? NO SIR.
WE HAVE NOT, I BELIEVE PARTICULAR SURVEY FROM BOTH STUDENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BIGGER OBJECTION AND BE OKAY.
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING.
IF WE, DO WE SEND ANYTHING, GET A SURVEY OR SEND ANYTHING OUT TO THEM OR LET THEM KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? WE HAVE NOT YET, BUT WE, WE DEFINITELY COULD.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS BEFORE WE VOTED ON IT, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS THAT WHAT, UH, THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS? YEAH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE THE CIRCLE DRIVES THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, SO BASIC FERN COURT THIS WAY AND THEN OVER HERE.
SO THOSE WOULD BE THE ONES THAT WE WANT.
WE WANNA SEND, UH, SURVEY TO AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER.
AND ARE YOU PROPOSING LIKE, SHUT OFF DURING THE DAY AND THEN Y'ALL OPEN IT UP WHEN YOU SHUT DOWN CONSTRUCTION, YOU STAY CUT IT OFF, CORRECT.
FOR FIVE OR SIX MONTHS, CORRECT? CORRECT.
I, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY, ELDERLY MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA.
WE MIGHT LOOK AT IT A LITTLE CLOSER.
HAVE Y'ALL DONE ANY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THIS CUZ I'M NOT IN YOUR BUSINESS, BUT IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT IF, IF, IF YOU HAD, UM, BLOCKED OFF ACCESS HERE THAT IT MIGHT SPEED THINGS UP.
SO IF IF THE CHOICES BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, NINE MONTHS AND NOT BLOCKING IT OFF OR SIX MONTHS AND BLOCKING IT OFF, UM, MAYBE, UH, IF MAYBE THE RESIDENTS MIGHT LIKE TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? IT SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT WAS SPEEDED UP, BUT I DON'T, THE SOUNDS GOOD, BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA BE AT THE MERCY OF CONCRETE AND THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR BIGGEST, THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR BIGGEST, UH, HOLD UP IS CONCRETE.
AND SO FAR IT'S NOT, BUT YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
IT COULD, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S GONNA FREE UP EVEN MORE LATER THIS YEAR IN THE BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT COULD BE, AND I'D HATE TO, I DON'T WANT TO PROMISE THAT.
WE SAY APRIL AND THEY CAN REEL IT IN.
BUT AGAIN, OUR, OUR MAIN FOCUS IS SAFETY.
THERE'S SO MANY LARGE EQUIPMENT TRUCKS COMING THROUGH THERE.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON.
AND THAT'S THE THING WE CAN DO IS WHEN WE COMMUNICATE AND ASK FOR INPUT FROM THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS IS JUST EXPLAIN TO 'EM WHY WE'RE DOING IT.
AND THE MAIN REASON IS FOR SAFETY.
UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE LIKE, UH, COUNCILMAN BAKER SAYING WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE IN AN AREA AND LAST THING WE WANNA DO IS PUT THEM IN A CONSTRUCTION SITE TO TRY AND DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
AND I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THAT SENT OUT TO THEM AND GET FEEDBACK BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
IF IT'S OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM, UH, TWO
[2. Discuss and consider request for Lakewood Manor to construct entry sign at the entrance of Huisache Street – Adam Green]
ITEM TWOS.DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR, UH, LAKEWOOD MANNER TO CONSTRUCT A ENTRY SIGN AT THE ENTRANCE OF WEA STREET.
SO, SO WE, THE ORDINANCE WAS, DID GRANT US I THINK A 64 SQUARE FOOT SIGN, UM, NEAR ON THE BUILDING, UM, THAT WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE, UM, AT THE MODEL HOME OR TO THE LEASING, UM, HOME, WHICH IS GONNA BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF, OF WEAT.
UM, THAT'S GONNA BE THREE OH, UH, EIGHT WEAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA UTILIZE, UTILIZE THAT SIGN FOR LEASING INFORMATION, PUT IT BY THE LEASING HOME.
BUT, UM, BUT WE, WE WOULD LOVE TO, UM, YOU KNOW, PUT A, A MONUMENT ON THE, AND Y'ALL HAVE THE DRAWINGS THEY SENT OVER.
YOU KNOW, ON THE, IF YOU'RE IN, YOU KNOW, AT HOLLY LOOKING, WE AS TOWARDS THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THAT LEFT SIDE, UM, UH, AND AGAIN, I HOPE MY INFORMATION IS TRUE, EDDIE, EDDIE AT THE CITY GAVE ME SOME BACKGROUND ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, UH, AND THEY GAVE US, NOT IF IT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S HIS FAULT, UM, BUT BASICALLY LIQUID MANNER, UM, I WAS TOLD WAS, IS A FIRST, UH, PERMANENT STRUCTURE COMMUNITY BEFORE LAKE JACKSON WAS A CITY, UM, I WAS TOLD THEY DID A TENT CITY.
UM, AND THEN, UM, LAKEWOOD MANOR, THEY STARTED BUILDING DUPLEXES SO DOW COULD HOUSE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AND HAVE PLACES, UM, FOR THAT.
AND, UM, SO THE HISTORY'S RICH, UM, GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK OF PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH, HEY, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING? WE'RE REBUILDING HOMES HERE AND WE'RE GONNA LEASE 'EM.
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PEOPLE WERE EXCITED.IN FACT, UM, I HAD A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME, UM, OF WHERE IS IT? UH, JAMES MALONE STOPPED ME A FEW DAYS AGO AND, AND ASKED, HEY, WHAT ARE Y'ALL DOING? UM, I EXPLAINED IT.
HE WAS LIKE, I USED TO LIVE THERE, YOU KNOW, AND WE HAD A GOOD, GOOD TIMES.
HE SAID, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DID GO THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES.
HE SAID, I'VE GOT GREAT MEMORIES.
PLAYED FOOTBALL, SWAM THE DITCHES WHEN IT, WHEN IT FLOODED.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, AS I EXPLAINED WHAT TIME HO WHAT TYPE OF HOMES AND COMMUNITY, AND ACTUALLY SHOWED HIM A LITTLE RENDITION AND, UM, HE WAS JUST ECSTATIC THAT WE WERE GETTING TO REBUILD THAT.
AND SO IT'D BE NEAT TO HAVE, UM, THAT MONUMENT THERE WITH THE LAKEWOOD MANNER NAME, UM, TO KIND OF POP AND REALLY SHOW THE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'VE REVITAL IT, REVITALIZED IT AND BROUGHT IT BACK UP.
UM, AND, AND, AND WE WANT OUR NAME ON THAT TOO, YOU KNOW, UM, THE SIGN AS IT SHOWS WE SAY LAKEWOOD MANOR OF BRUCE TOWER WELLNESS COMMUNITY, UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE A PART OF AND, AND MAKE KNOWN.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT OUR THINKING IS ON THAT.
ARE Y'ALL STUCK ON THE DESIGN? UH, NO.
WE, WE WOULD, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, 15 FOOT IS KIND OF THE SMALLEST WOULD BE ONE OF THE SMALLER ONES WE'VE EVER DONE.
OR I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT GOING BIGGER, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ARTISTIC VIEW OF IT.
SINCE IT'S SENSOR, THE SENSOR IS A LOT OF HISTORY THERE.
IT WOULD BE, IF YOU WERE, IF WE'D GO FORWARD WITH IT, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE, THIS LOOKS VERY INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT'D BE IF YOU'D GO SOMETHING MID-CENTURY STYLE TO TIE BACK TO THE CITY.
AND WE'VE DONE SOME, I MEAN, YEAH, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY, WELL NOW WE ARE TRYING TO MANAGE COSTS AS WELL.
BUT WE'VE, WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY NEAT STUFF AND SOME OF THE CITIES WE'VE DONE, SO WE'RE NOT OPPOSED.
UM, IN FACT, IF THAT HELP US, UH, GET IT PASSED, ABSOLUTELY.
LET'S PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND CREATE SOMETHING EVEN MORE, UM, AESTHETICALLY PLEASING.
WE HAVE SOME AREAS THAT HAVE SIGNS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE MAYBE NOT FREE STANDING, BUT THEY ARE LIKE OAK FOREST, UH, FOREST STROKE, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK, UH, OFF OF 3 32, YOU KNOW, THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO MATCH WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, THE NOSTALGIA OF WHAT THAT USED TO BE THERE, IF YOU COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M SURE CONSTANTLY MORE OPEN TO, BUT WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO, YEAH.
AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF THESE, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS, SUBDIVISIONS OR WHATEVER NAMED IS BECAUSE WE PRIDE OURSELF ON BEING A COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF A GROUP OF SUBDIVISIONS.
SO, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, I THINK THERE'S VALUE OF, LIKE I SAID, IF, IF, IF YOU COULD CHANGE, CHANGE THE STYLE TOWARDS LESS INDUSTRIAL STYLE, IT, IT WOULD MAKE IT MORE APPEALING TO ME.
AND THEN, UH, AT THE END OF THE DAY THOUGH, IS IS, I KNOW AS MODESTO HAS EXPLAINED TO YOU GUYS, IS THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE TO OPEN UP THE POD AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE TWO, AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS TO DO THAT.
UH, TO GO THROUGH THAT, UH, TO ALLOW FOR THIS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT POD'S SET UP.
THE LOT THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NO NEON SIGN OR NO LIGHTING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN'T OR WE WILL OR, OR YEAH, YOU WOULDN'T, THIS WOULD JUST PLAIN NO SIGN.
SINCE WE'RE OPENING UP THE POD, YOU HAVE TO SET WHATEVER WANTS, I MEAN, NOT HORRIBLE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN CONTROL, NO FLASHING FROM, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH FLASHING SIGN THE VEGAS STYLE NO LIKES.
IF WE, IF THE COUNCIL AGREES TO, TO, TO GO FURTHER WITH THIS AND OPEN UP THE PUD WELL THEN WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
WE'D BE, IT'D BE WORTH THE WAIT FOR US, FOR US, WE THINK IT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'LL BE BE A LITTLE BIT OF WEIGHT.
BUT NOT ONLY WAIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE PUD, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT IF WHEN YOU OPEN THE PUD BACK UP, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO CHANGE, RIGHT.
THAT WE HAVEN'T CHANGED BECAUSE THE PUD WAS ALREADY IN PLACE, IS WE COULD COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, WHILE WE'RE AT THIS, LET'S CHANGE THIS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT YOU HAVE AS DEVELOPERS BY OPENING UP, PUT BACK UP.
NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT I KNOW OF THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CHANGE, BUT ARE THERE A FEW THAT YOU KNOW OF? I DON'T KNOW OF I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
OPEN THE CAN AND FIND OUT, YOU DIG THAT CHANCE.
I'M NEW, SO THERE'S NO TELLING
AND THEN, UM, THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS AND STUFF, AND SO I THINK THOSE HAVE BEEN RESOLVED AND PARKING.
SO JUST AGAIN, THERE IS A RISK THAT WE'LL BRING UP SOME OF THOSE THINGS BACK UP AGAIN.
BUT, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO DO I HEAR CONSENSUS FROM THE GROUP, UH, COUNCIL TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AND OPEN THE PUTT UP AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SIGNAGE? YEP.
YEAH, WHEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, IT WOULD BE NICE AT THAT POINT TO SEE A DES A DIFFERENT DESIGN RIGHT.
WITH ANYTHING YOU COULD HELP TO US LAND US SO IT DOESN'T WASTE YOUR TIME AND OUR TIME.
UM, I THINK STAFF UNDERSTANDS, STAFF KNOWS WHAT THE DIRECTION MIGHT.
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PERFECT.WE'LL WORK WITH MY ART SIGN DOWN 2 88 GOING DOWN 2 88.
THAT ONE THAT OR THE TEAM THAT JUST REDID THE ALBUM BE DO RIGHT DESIGN.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, STAFF CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT.
[3. Discuss and consider the requirements that will be placed on residents who keep rabbits within the city limits - Sherri Russell. ]
GONNA MOVE TO ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL BE PLACED ON RESIDENTS WHO KEEP PRIVATES WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.UM, THIS IS SHERRY, AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST, UH, WANT TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION THAT, UH, I WENT OUT AND I TALKED TO MY, UH, VET ABOUT RABBITS AND TO JUST GET SOME, TO VALIDATE SOME INFORMATION, UH, ON THOSE, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONCERNS AND JUST, UH, BASICALLY, UH, I WASN'T AWARE, BUT THERE ARE 58 RECOGNIZED BREEDS OF RABBITS, UH, THAT ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RABBIT READERS.
UH, ADULT WEIGHTS CHANGE CAN BE FROM, UH, TWO POUNDS TO 60 POUNDS DEPENDING ON THE BREED.
A FEMALE, UH, CAN START REPRODUCING AT THE AGE OF 12 MONTHS FOR UP TO SIX YEARS.
AND OUT OF EVERY 16 DAYS, OUT OF EVERY 16 DAY PERIOD, A FEMALE RABBIT CAN BECOME PREGNANT IF SHE'S AROUND A MALE, UM, GESTATION PERIOD IS 25 TO 30 DAYS.
SO NEEDS TO SAY RABBITS CAN PRODUCE A LOT OF OFFSPRING.
ALSO, IF YOU DO A SEARCH ON FERAL DOMESTIC RABBITS ON THE INTERNET, YOU'LL FIND OUT A FEW CITIES ARE STRUGGLING WITH RABBITS, BE MOVING AWAY FROM NICE AND, UH, CUDDLY LITTLE ANIMALS TO A PROBLEM FOR THEM.
AND THAT IS, WE TALK ABOUT FERAL CATS ALL THE TIME, THAT RABBITS, DOMESTIC FERAL RABBITS CAN BE AN ISSUE FOR SOME CITIES.
ANOTHER CHALLENGE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT IS, IS THAT A DOMESTIC FERAL RABBIT CAN'T BE CAPTURED BY ACO AND RELEASED TO ANOTHER AREA OF LIKE A, A, UH, A NATURAL, UH, A RABBIT.
NOT A, NOT LIKE A, UM, NON-DOMESTIC RABBIT, A WILD RABBIT.
UH, THEY HAVE TO GO TO A ANIMAL SHELTER OR WHAT ONE OF THESE CITIES ARE RUNNING INTO NOW IS ANIMAL SHELTERS WON'T TAKE 'EM BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM.
AND SO THE CITY IS FORCED TO EUTHANIZE THE FERAL RABBITS.
SO JUST A FEW THINGS TO JUST, UH, MAKE YOU AWARE OF CONCERNING RABBITS, WHY SOME PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE RABBITS IN THE CITY OF BLAKE JACKSON SINCE THAT QUESTION'S BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES.
SO SHERRY, YOU WANNA TELL US WHAT YOU SET UP FOR US? ALL RIGHT.
SO I WENT THROUGH SOME CITIES THAT ALLOW RABBITS AND I'VE PULLED OUT, UM, AND TRIED TO ORGANIZE ON THIS SHEET BY SUBJECT, UM, DIFFERENT, UH, REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE.
WHAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU IS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR ANIMAL ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT FOR SANITATION, AND YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE LOOSE ANIMALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE ARE GONNA MICROCHIP THE RAPIDS SO WE KNOW WHERE THEY'RE, WHO THEY BELONG TO.
I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING YOU.
SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.
WE'VE GOT SANITATION AND NUISANCES ALREADY.
UM, WE'RE ALREADY NOT ALLOWED.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO TO BREED AND SAW THEM.
THAT'S WHAT, UH, UH, BUT ACCORDING TO THE MAYOR, THEY JUST HAVE TO GET CLOSE TO A MALE.
SO, UM, THAT'S, UH, WE DON'T HAVE DISTANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS FOR DOGS OR CATS LIKE THE DOG KENNELS AND CAGES AND STUFF.
THERE ARE NO, NO REQUIREMENTS LIKE THAT AT ALL FOR, FOR OTHER ANIMALS, OTHER BIRDS AND SNAKES AND THINGS.
UH, SO I GUESS MY POINT IS THERE'S A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM HERE, BUT DON'T TRY TO FIX A PROBLEM WE DON'T HAVE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.
THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY.
IT'S A PROBLEM WE DON'T HAVE YET, BUT CERTAINLY THERE'S SOME REGULATIONS TO START OUT WITH.
AND SO THAT'S, AND SO THE FIRST THING IS IF YOU JUST WANNA LET PEOPLE RUN WILD WITH RABBITS, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS TAKE OUT THOSE TWO WORDS FROM THE DEFINITION OF LIVESTOCK AND WE'RE DONE.
HOWEVER, IF YOU WANT THEM TO GET PERMITS, THEN THERE'S MORE BASIC, YOU KNOW, IN THE PERMITS OR LIMITING THEM.
NO BREEDING, NO SLAUGHTERING, NOT FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES, WHICH I SAID WAS ALREADY IN THE ZONING CODE, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT TO PUT IT BACK IN THE ORDINANCE.
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YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO IN, YOU NEED A SKETCH TO SHOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND WHAT YOU GOTTA HAVE.UM, AND THEN IF IT'S, IF YOU ONLY WANT FFA OR FOUR H TO HAVE 'EM, THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PROOF OF MEMBERSHIP THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING THAT YEAR, COME IN EVERY YEAR TO GET YOUR PERMIT.
UM, AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO GET RID OF THE RABBITS ONCE THEY GRADUATED OR STOPPED BEING IN THAT ORGANIZATION.
AND THEN REASONS TO REVOKE THE PERMIT, UM, THREE DAYS NOTICE.
AND THEY'RE NOT CLEANING UP THE MESS.
UM, SOMEHOW THEY LIED ON THE PERMIT WHEN WE FOUND OUT.
AND THEN I'VE GOT QUESTION MARKS ON HOW MANY TIMES THE RAPIDS WERE AT LARGE OR HOW MANY TIMES, UH, HUMANE HAS HAD TO GO OUT THERE FOR SANITATION AND CRUELTY.
UM, AND WE COULD DO PROCESS BUT COULD HAVE THE PERMIT REVOCATION IN FRONT THE JUDGE.
UH, OR HUMANE COULD REVOKE IT AND YOU COULD APPEAL TO THE JUDGE.
THAT'S THE WAY, UH, THE DANS DOG STATE LAW IS.
AND THEN HUS, IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO GIVE TOUCHES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DEFINITELY WANNA HAVE THE EMAIL SEPARATE HUS IF ON OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE YEAH.
JUST, UH, ANOTHER FYI, UM, THERE ARE NO REQUIRED VACCINATIONS FOR RABBITS.
UH, THEY ARE NOT KNOWN CARRIERS FOR RAI RABIES, UH, AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I CHECKED ON WAS IF THERE'S A REQUIRED VACCINATION, UH, THEY DO RECOMMEND, UH, FOR SOME VARIOUS REASONS, SPAY AND NEUTER.
SO THEY BEING OTHER CITIES AND VETS, IS THERE AN EXCEPTION FOR THAT? FOR THE FOUR H? RIGHT? FFA.
SO WHATEVER Y'ALL WANT, JUST LEMME KNOW WHERE TO START.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION? UH, SURE.
YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE FRONT PLEASE.
MY NAME IS SUE WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 1 25 MESQUITE LAKE JACKSON.
HOW ARE RABBITS DEFINED AS A LIVESTOCK? I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
THEY WERE JUST A ADDED IN, I THINK IN THE SEVENTIES.
WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF LIVESTOCK IN THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE AND THEY ADDED RABBITS IN THE CITY'S DEFINITION.
AND CITY COUNCIL DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYMORE RABBITS.
BUT IT'S IN THE STATE LAW, THEY NOT NO, THE STATE LAW IS IT, BUT IN THE CITY ORDINANCE, IT'S OKAY.
WHAT DOES THE STATE LAW, IF YOU HAVE IT HANDY, WHAT DOES IT DEFINE LIVESTOCK AS? NOT RABBITS.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, DOES IT, DOES IT? YEAH.
IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, IF YOU GOT IT HANDY, SURELY.
BUT I MEAN, HOW FAR DOWN DOES IT GO? NO, NO, IT SAYS CATTLE, HORSES, MULES, HOGS, SHEEP AND GOATS.
THAT'S WHAT IT'S FIND AS COWS.
IT'S, IT'S USUALLY TIED TO SOMETHING THAT HAS SECONDARY CELL OR SINGULAR USE.
AND I THINK THE ONLY REASON WHY RABBITS MAY HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THAT GROUP IS BECAUSE THEY CAN BE RAISED FOR MEAT.
WHICH WE HAVE HAD IN THE CITY BEFORE AND WE'VE HAD TO STOP.
THAT'S WHY I PUT NO SLAUGHTERING AS ONE OF THE CHOICES.
SO JUST START AT THE BEGINNING, I GUESS, WITH THIS.
UH, PERMANENT OR, OR NO PERMIT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS GONNA REALLY AGREE TO JUST TAKE AND RABBITS OFF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE.
IT'S PROBABLY A GOOD ASSUMPTION, BUT, SO I AGREE WITH THAT.
SO PERMITS, UH, NUMBER OF RABBITS.
I MEAN, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, KSBY WHEN THEY WERE HERE IN THE RIGHT.
THEY HAD, THEY HAD 22 OR 25 ANIMALS AND STUFF AND, BUT THEIR FOCUS WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN GENERAL FOUR HS FFAS.
OR, AND LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION TO THE LAWYER.
UM, THEIR ZONING ALREADY PERMITS IN A RELATIVELY UNRESTRICTED MANNER AS, AS I UNDERSTAND THE KEEPING OF THESE RABBITS.
AND SO IF WE WERE TO SAY SIX RABBITS HERE, WOULD THEIR EXCEPTION ALLOW THEM STILL TO KEEP WHAT THEY KEEP? OR HOW DOES THAT WORK? SO IF ALL THAT IT SAYS IS THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THEM AND THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BECOME A NUISANCE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SAYS.
SO IF YOU PUT, IF YOU WANTED TO LIMIT IT HERE, I WOULD WANNA CLARIFY WHETHER E ONE IS EMPLOYED IN THAT LIMITATION OR NOT.
SO THERE'S A WAY TO, CUZ THE E ONE AGAIN IS THE MULTI ACRE YES.
NON NOT NORMAL LAKE JACKSON TYPE STUFF.
SO MORE RABBITS MAKES MORE SENSE THERE THAN
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IT DOES.THERE ARE NOT TOO MANY LARGE LEFT IN LAKE JACKSON, THE E ONE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT THAT ONE TRUMP THE OTHER.
WE CAN CARVE THAT ZONE OUT FROM THESE.
SO THIS WOULDN'T AFFECT THEM IS BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
IF YOU TALK ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, IF THE DESIRE IS TO, UH, ALLOW RABBITS FOR FFA OR FOUR H AND STUFF, UH, THE STANDARD ANIMALS ARE SHOWN FROM WHAT I RECALL IS, IS EITHER OR SHOW ONE OR A HUTCH AND ONE BEING ONE AND THEN, OR A HUTCH BEING THREE, THREE, UH, TYPE STUFF.
SO IF YOU, YOUR FOCUS IS IN THAT DIRECTION, THEN THAT WOULD BE GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON AT LEAST WHERE YOU WOULD START YOU.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD START THERE.
DO YOU WANT EVERYONE TO, TO HAVE RABBITS OR JUST THE KIDS? AND I PERSONALLY AM OKAY WITH DOING A PERMIT, BUT I DON'T WANNA LIMIT IT TO THE FFA OR FHA FOR H YEAH.
SO WHAT, DOES EVERYONE ELSE AGREE WITH THAT? AND WE'LL JUST GO ON TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING.
CAUSE I THINK THAT'S, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT AT THE TOP.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING FORWARD FOR WITH FOUR H OR UH, FFA, EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE FELT THAT I MADE DIFFERENT COMMENTS OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT MY COMMENT WAS.
MY COMMENT WAS AFTER EDUCATION AND PUBLIC B I S D IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE RABBITS TO HAVE TO BE ON IN FFA.
YOU CAN DO OTHER THINGS OR THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS FOR YOU, BUT YOU CAN BE IN FFA AND, UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM AS I EXPLAINED THAT TIME TOO.
SO, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA DO, IF WE WANNA SUPPORT FFA AND UH, DO RABBITS THAT THIS IS A CLEANER WAY TO DO IT THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO A LOT OF CHILDREN CURRENTLY IN LAKE JACKSON DO HAVE RABBITS AS PETS, AND THEY KEEP THEM INSIDE THEIR HOMES, UH, AS A PET.
AND UH, IF WE PUT THAT FA YOU KNOW, FOUR H IN FFA RULING, WE WOULD BE ASKING THEM TO GIVE UP THE RABBITS.
WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY OWN OWNING THEM AGAINST THE ORDINANCE.
I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYONE'S GONNA COME FORWARD AND SACRIFICE AND RIGHT.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT HE'S SAYING IS, IS THAT, AND THE SAME THING I'M SAYING IS THAT I WON'T LIMIT JUST, I MEAN IF JB WANTS A, A RABBIT IN HIS HOUSE, HE CAN HAVE A RABBIT IN HIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, OR IF MY KIDS WANT TWO RABBITS, THEY CAN HAVE TWO RABBITS, YOU KNOW, BUT WITHOUT NECESSARILY BEING INVOLVED IN F FSA OR FH.
SO THAT'S TWO FOR JUST ANYONE BR BUT PERMITTED.
AND THE MAYOR WANTS JUST THE KID.
WELL, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS FFA REQUIREMENT IS A GREAT PARADE TO START, BUT I JUST DON'T WANT PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY HAVE A, A CHILD THAT HAS A RABBIT IN THE HOME TO HAVE TO GIVE THAT UP BECAUSE ITS, IT'S TRAUMATIC FOR THE KID.
THEY'RE ALREADY TO IT'S HAP IT HAPPENED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY BELONG TO CHILDREN, BUT WE'VE HAD TWICE PEOPLE HAVE COME IN SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ASKING.
CAUSE THEY GOT CAUGHT WITH RABBITS AND COUNSEL MADE THEM GIVE, GIVE THEM UP.
OTHER ONES HE HUMANE MIGHT JUST TELL 'EM THEY HAVE TO GO AND THEY GIVE THEM UP.
SO, BUT IT'S ONLY ON A COMPLAINT BASIS.
AND IT WON'T BE A HOUSE TO HOUSE SEARCH.
NO, BUT IT'S A PREVIOUS UNDERSTANDING IS THAT PREVIOUSLY WHEN SOMEBODY CALLED THE CITY HALL AND SAID, HEY, IS IT OKAY TO HAVE A RABBIT? UH, THEY WERE TOLD.
AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, THEY, UH, IN YOUR HOUSE, IT'S OKAY.
WELL THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE EVER HAPPENED BECAUSE WHAT STAFF SHOULD BE DOING IS STATING WHAT THEIR ORDINANCE IS, NOT THEIR PREFERENCE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT, CAUSE I WOULD'VE ASKED ALICE OR SALLY OR BILL ORO OR ME AND YOU WOULD'VE ALL SAID, OKAY, SO LET'S YEAH, LET YEAH.
IF WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA FOLLOW THIS NEW SET OF GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE, THEN I AGREE IT NEEDS TO BE OPEN TO EVERYBODY, NOT JUST THE FFA KIDS.
SO WHAT IF WE DID IT TO WHERE WE ALLOWED IT OPEN TO EVERYBODY PERMIT IT, LEAVE IT TO THREE AS A NUMBER.
THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CALLING A HUTCH.
SO WE'LL LEAVE IT TO THREE AND THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE FSI MEETING MORE THREE.
WHAT I'M JUST WANNA CLARIFY, IT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M NOT AGREEING TO PUT MY PART,
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I'M, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I WANTED TO GRANDFATHER NO, WE'RE NOT GRANDFATHER.THERE'S HARD TO GRANDFATHER ANYBODY.
SO THIS IS WOULD BE JUST ADDING COMPLEXITY, UH, TO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE THIS COMPLEX.
IT'S, YOU CAN'T TELL WHO ALREADY HAD THE RABBITS AND WHO DIDN'T AND WHY WOULD THEY EVER TELL US? RIGHT.
THEY WOULD, THEY'D JUST GET CAUGHT BY A NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU GOT KEEPING THE GOOD SIDE.
BUT TRUST ME, I, I KNOW OF SOME FOLKS WHO ARE TOLD BY SOME FOLKS THAT'S HALL, IT'S OKAY.
I DON'T DOUBT IT, IT JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
AND WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE'RE TRYING, WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY THAT THOUGH, SO THAT, THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT IN THE FUTURE.
AND IS WANNA CLARIFY THAT IF THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE TOLD THAT IT'S UNFAIR FOR THEM TO TELL THEM THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT HAVE TO GET RID OF HABIT.
WELL, BUT IF WE GET THIS PAST, THEN THEY SHOULD, THEY HAVE NO WORRIES.
I MEAN, THEY JUST HAVE A RABBIT.
AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HAVE 85 OF THEM, WE, YEAH.
I WON'T GO DOWN THAT RABBIT TRAIL, BUT, UH, ANYWAY.
WE'VE HAD STAFF THAT HAVE JUST LED PEOPLE IN THE PAST, AND WE'VE HAD TO GO BACK AS A COUNCIL, DO THE HARD WORK OF FIXING IT.
SO THAT'S, BUT I'M, I'M NOT EVEN SUGGESTING THAT WE GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT THAT IT, IT HASN'T BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD STAFF GIVE MISINFORMATION.
SO WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS OPEN TO EVERYONE WITH A PERMIT LIMIT OF THREE.
EVERYTHING ELSE ON HERE STANDS, NO BREEDING, NO SLAUGHTERING ON PREMISE, NOT FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES.
STAYED AND NEUTERED EVERYTHING UNDER THE BASICS, I THINK IS, IS GOOD.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ASK PEOPLE TO SPAY NEW THEIR DOGS OR CATS.
SO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO ME? OH, WE DO, WE DO TO ALL OF THEM.
AND THEY HAVE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
THEN WHY WOULD WE DO THAT? WHENEVER THEY RETRIEVE A DOG? IT HAS A PET.
IT HAS TO BE SPAYED, NEUTERED, I THINK.
I THINK THAT'S THE SHELTERS SPCA THE SHELTER DOES IT? YEAH.
I THINK THE SHELTER, BUT NOT CITY ORDINANCE.
SO, UM, ALRIGHT, YOU GUYS, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIO SHUTTLE ON SPADE AND NEUTERED.
YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP, PLEASE.
WE COMPLETELY OPPOSE THE RABBITS.
WHAT CAN WE DO IF Y'ALL DECIDE TO DO THIS? WHAT CAN BE DONE DO YOU THINK? WE HAVE A TRY TO GET A REFERENDUM ON THE NEXT BALLOT TO WITHDRAW THE OKAY.
AND CUZ I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT BEFORE I LEAVE TONIGHT, IF THIS ORDINANCE PASSED US.
IT'S GONNA TAKE TWO MORE MEETINGS AFTER THIS ONE.
SO IF EVEN SALLY SLAP HAS ALL THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO DO IT, REFERENDUM, NOT A PROBLEM.
DID WE DECIDE TO STAY? AND, AND I'M JUST, YOU GOT ONE MORE COMMENT? YES, SIR.
UH, IS THIS FOR GENERAL RABBIT REQUIREMENT? ANYTHING ABOUT RABBITS? THIS IS ABOUT, THIS IS FOR ITEM, UH, THREE.
I'M, UH, AT 89 19 JAPONICA DRIVE IN ROSENBERG, A MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
UH, I'VE REVIEWED THIS RABBIT ISSUE AGAIN AND ACCOMPANYING FALLING AFTER THE CHICKEN ISSUE.
AND I REALLY THINK THAT THE CITY STAFF IS PLAYING A GAME.
UM, WE'RE TALKING FIVE MEETINGS TO GET SOMETHING SO SIMPLE ABOUT WEATHER RABBITS.
WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CATS AND DOGS, WHICH ARE MUCH MORE OF A DISTURBANCE TO NEIGHBORS AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAN A RABBIT.
THIS SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN UP WITH A DRAFTED COPY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER GAME.
AND WHAT DID I SEE ON THE AGENDA? IT READ IS, CAN Y'ALL PUT THE LANGUAGE UP, PLEASE? IT WAS SOMETHING LIKE, WE'RE GONNA NOT DISCUSS WHETHER WE'RE GONNA DIS ALLOW RABBITS.
IT'S, WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THE RESTRICTIONS LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEYS MAKING IT MANDATORY THAT THERE MUST BE RESTRICTIONS ON RABBITS.
THAT I'M THE FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION.
YOU ASKED ME TO COME UP WITH THIS LIST SO THEY COULD DISCUSS TONIGHT.
SO TWO MEETINGS AGO THOUGH, IT WAS, WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AND LAST WEEK WAS JUST ANOTHER, LET'S TALK AND GET EVERYONE UPSET FOR I GUESS AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF, BECAUSE IT GOT NOWHERE.
AND SO, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I SAID THIS LAST TIME, I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, RABBITS, IF WE CAN'T DECIDE ON AN EASY, POSITIVE ACTIVITY, ACTIVITY FOR THE YOUTH TO ENGAGE IN, LIKE, IT'S BAD OUTSIDE, BUT WE CAN'T TELL 'EM, HEY, JOIN THE FFA OR FOUR H AND GO DO A RABBIT, BECAUSE THAT'S ILLEGAL IN LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
HOW HARD IS IT TO JUST SAY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BUNNY RABBIT AND DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE IN LAKE JACKSON?
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NOT EVERYONE HAS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO MOVE TO OUT IN THE COUNTY.LIKE I HAD TO, TO GET OUT OF Y'ALL'S NANNY, OPPRESSIVE, AUTHORITARIAN, LITTLE IDEALISTIC CITY OF ENCHANTMENT TAKE EVERY HOOD'S MONEY TO PUT INTO THE DOWNTOWN JUST FOR OUR PREFERRED FEW, UH, NOT EVEN ALL THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE THE AWNINGS WE TORE DOWN.
FORGET THAT THIS FACADE IS GONNA GET TORN DOWN.
IF Y'ALL CANNOT JUST PASS THE BUNNIES, NO RESTRICTIONS.
IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN, REVISIT IT NEXT YEAR, WHENEVER THEY COMPLAIN, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE COMPLAINTS ABOUT RABBITS.
I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA HAVE ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS OF NO SLEEP BECAUSE Y'ALL JUST DON'T GET IT.
WE'RE NOT GONNA LIVE IN TYRAN HERE.
YOU, YOU'RE HERE ALL THE TIME.
NUMBER ONE, HE LIVES IN ROSENBERG.
HE DOESN'T LIVE IN LAKE JACKSON.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHY HE COMES UP HERE AND COMPLAINS AND CERTAINLY WRAPS AT EVERYBODY WHEN HE HAS NO CONCERN IN LAKE JACKSON.
YOU WANT A BUDDY? GO GET IT IN ROSENBERGER.
QUIT CAUSING CHAOS IN OUR CITY.
AGAIN, WHEN, UH, YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, YOU NEED TO ADDRESS COUNSEL.
SO WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH, UH, WHAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS A POSSIBLE ORDINANCE OR THINGS THAT WE'D ADD INTO ORDINANCE, AND THEN WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION TO COUNSEL OF, OF GOING FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S STILL WHERE WE'RE AT.
SO DO YOU WANNA CARRY ON, SINCE YOU'RE HELPING US THROUGH THIS? OKAY, SO BACK WHERE WE'RE EVERYONE PERMIT LIMIT THE NUMBER.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF SPAY AND NEUTER BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU DO DIFFERENT HUS FOR EACH SEX AND YOU'VE ALREADY SAID NO BREEDING, THEN I THINK THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE AND IT'S JUST REDUNDANT AT THAT POINT.
THINK YEAH, I DON'T THINK WE PUT IT ON THE LIST.
WELL, THAT WAS WHERE WE, THAT WAS WHERE WE, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT ON A LEASH.
SCRATCH THROUGH THAT, WHICH, GREAT.
SO, UM, PENN'S DISTANCES, SO ON HERE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUTCH REQUIREMENTS FROM HOUSES, COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, ANY NUMBER THAT WE CHOOSE IS PRETTY ARBITRARY, WHETHER IT'S 10 FOOT, 20 FOOT, 50 FOOT, BECAUSE AGAIN, MY NEIGHBOR HAD RABBITS LITERALLY ON MY HOUSE AND I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT UNTIL THEY TOLD ME ABOUT IT.
SO ANY NUMBER YOU CHOOSE THERE IS GONNA BE ARBITRARY.
UM, PARTICULARLY IF YOU PUT THE RESPONSIBILITY ON THE HOMEOWNER FOR SMELL, WHICH WE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THAT NUISANCE, UM, IN PLACE.
UM, F F A F F FOUR H UM, PROOF OF MEMBERSHIP ENDS UPON GRADUATION OR UN ENROLLMENT.
I THINK THAT, THAT IF YOU ALREADY HAVE LIMITS SET, THEN REALLY YOU CAN'T SAY IT ENDS UPON GRADUATION.
THAT WAS JUST IF, IF OR, OR FFA.
WELL, THE OTHER THING, I'M JUST KIND OF GOING DOWN YOUR LIST HERE.
THE OTHER THING IS THAT SOME SKIP THE PERMIT.
IF, IF YOU DO IT A PERMIT AND IF THERE'S A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, IS THAT SOME CITIES, IF IT WAS AN FFA OR FOUR H WAS THAT THEY DID, DID NOT REQUIRE THE, UH, FEE PERMITTING FEE.
SO I MEAN, AGAIN, I DO KIND OF AGREE THAT WE'RE OVER COMPLICATING THIS.
AND YOU COULD MAKE IT, WE DO HAVE OUR ASSISTANT CHIEF HERE.
YOU COULD MAKE IT SO THAT HUMANE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO INSPECT IT.
REALISTICALLY, THE INSPECT, THE PERMIT FEE WOULD BE TO COVER THAT INSPECTION.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD ELIMINATE.
HE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THAT AT THE TIME THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE THE OFFICERS IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE INTERESTED IN.
I MEAN, I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR PERMITTING BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A NEED THAT WE WOULD DO INSPECTIONS CUZ YOU'RE PUTTING THE REQUIREMENTS IN HERE SO THAT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM WITHIN, WE WOULD COME OUT TO DO THE, TO SEE IF THERE'S AN ISSUE.
ANYBODY CAN HAVE THREE RABBITS.
YOU CAN HAVE THREE RABBITS AND, UM, IF IT BECOMES THE NO BREEDING AND EVERYTHING, AND IF IT BECOMES A NUISANCE, THEN YOU DEAL WITH THAT ON A PER CASE BASIS.
DON'T BREED 'EM, DON'T SLAUGHTER 'EM.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A BUSINESS WITH 'EM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY A PERMIT FEE AND AVOID A NUISANCE CLAIM.
I MEAN, THAT'S, LET'S MAKE IT REALLY SIMPLE.
SO WE'LL JUST GO WITH THE BASICS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT THE REST.
AND IF SOMETHING COMES UP LATER, WE, WE CAN GO TO THE PERMIT.
AND THREE HERE, BUT CARVE OUT FOR E ONE SO THEY CAN HAVE, RIGHT.
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WOULD THAT COMPARE TO ANGLETON? I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED, BUT I I'VE HEARD ANGLETON'S ORDINANCE TOUTED AS A, A GREAT MODEL BY PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE AND PEOPLE, THEY HAVE SIX, YOU CAN HAVE UP TO SIX.NO, THEIR ORDINANCE, AND I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
THEIRS INCLUDES CHICKENS, RABBITS, AND DUCKS.
SO YOU CAN HAVE ANY COMBINATION.
YOU'D HAVE TWO OF EACH, FIVE OF ONE, ONE OF ANOTHER.
DO THE ART PERMITS AND ALL THAT.
THEY DO A 25 OR $35 ANNUAL PERMIT HOUSE DONE BY JUNIOR.
I JUST THINK IT'S VERY COMPLICATED FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
BUT, UM, AND AGAIN, FFA AND F FOUR H HAS KIND OF A SEPARATE SET OF RULES.
SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING WE CAN, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH.
I PUT MY, UH, YEAH, I GOT RIGHT.
UM, SO YOU'VE HEARD THE TERM BREEDS LIKE RABBITS.
WELL, THAT, THAT'S A MAJOR CONCERN.
FFA AND FOUR H IS ABOUT BREEDING.
I MEAN, IF YOU CAN TELL 'EM THEY CAN'T BREED, THEY CAN'T PARTICIPATE.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE CONFLICTING SITUATIONS.
UM, BACK TO, UH, I HAVE, I HAVE THIS GUT FEELING THAT THERE'S A COORDINATED APPROACH HERE BETWEEN CONGRESSMAN, SETH AND BLANCHARD TO GET CHICKENS INTO THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS I STUDIED IN SOME VIDEOS AND PREVIOUS MEETINGS, KEYWORDS AND WORDS COUNT, WORDS MATTER.
UM, SEEM TO POINT IN THAT DIRECTION.
THIS IS GOING TO BECOME A BACK DOOR APPROACH TO GETTING CHICKENS AND DUCKS JUST LIKE ANGLETON.
SO I THINK THE CHICKEN PEOPLE WILL BE BACK.
WELL YEAH, WHEN YOU CALL THEN WELL, YEAH, I'M SURE I DIDN'T CALL 'EM INITIALLY.
SO, BUT I DO SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS.
YOU KNOW, I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND.
BUT I'M WARNING EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, THIS IS JUST A BACKDOOR PRO TO GETTING CHICKENS AND DUCKS AS WELL.
I CAN I GIVE YOU, IF YOU ALL WANT TO REVIEW THE EVIDENCE THAT I'M REFERRING TO, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE VIDEO OVER HERE.
IF YOU WANNA PULL UP THE YOUTUBE VIDEO FROM SEPTEMBER 7TH, SEPTEMBER 6TH.
THIS IS, WELL, THEN I'LL READ, I'LL READ MY NOTES ON THAT.
SO, UH, AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION FOR, AND AGAIN, BLANCHARD FUMBLED A MOTION THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY ALLOW CHICKENS IN RABBIT CITY LIMITS IF APPROVED.
IT SHOWS UP ON THE YOUTUBE AT ABOUT THAT ONE HOUR AND 35 MINUTE AND ONE HOUR AND 41 MINUTE.
THE EXACT WORDING WAS AS FOLLOWS, BLANCHARD, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT COUNCIL ADOPTS OR CHANGES TO CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE, WHICH WILL INCLUDE ALL THE LIMITS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE.
ALL THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE WRITTEN INTO THERE.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS TO, TO DISCUSS IT ALL AND THAT, BUT I'LL MA I'LL MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE DO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR CHICKENS AND RABBITS.
AND QUICKLY, UH, SHERRY SAID, OH, MARY SAYS, CAN'T TALK CHICKENS JUST RABBITS.
BLANCHARD FOLLOWED UP WITH TO ALLOW.
AND HE HAD A BIG SIGH, LIKE HE GOT CAUGHT RABBITS IN DISGUST.
IT CHANGED FROM THE LAST TIME I SAW IT.
HE LOOKS DOWN AT HIS PAPER AND SAYS, THAT'S FINE.
NOW THAT SU THAT'S VERY SUSPICIOUS TO ME.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT IT.
I, I MEAN, I'LL VERY, YOU THINK WHAT YOU WANT.
I WILL BE VERY CLEAR AND DIRECT WITH YOU.
IF THE CHICKENS COME BACK, ABSOLUTELY THEY WILL BE SUPPORTED.
AND THE REASON THAT HE SAID THAT, MY GUESS IS I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR HIM, IS BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK, WE KEEP REFERENCING THE ENGLETON ORDINANCE, IT DOES COVER CHICKENS, RABBITS, AND DUCKS.
SO THAT'S WELL BEFORE HE COULD ACTUALLY FINISH HIS LAST WORD.
WELL, MAYOR SAYS, I'LL TAKE THE MOTION IF YOU ARE THROUGH DISCUSSION, THE MAYOR TRIES TO SUMMARIZE THE WORD SALAD THAT FAILED.
HE ASKED AND ASKED FOR BLANCHARD TO, UH, RE RESTATE IT, AND HE GIGGLES AND LASTS AND SAYS, IT WAS PRETTY MESSED UP, HUH? I FUMBLED THROUGH THAT.
WE'RE EITHER GOING TO AMEND, CREATE A NEW ORDINANCE TO ALLOW THESE ANIMALS, QUOTE THESE ANIMALS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RABBITS, NOT ANIMALS.
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THESE ANIMALS LIKE MULTIPLE TYPES OF ANIMALS WITH THE SPEC, UH, STIPULATION THAT COUNSEL AGREES UPON.AND THAT'S GONNA TAKE SOME DISCUSSION.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR COUNSEL? JB SAYS, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS MOTION IS, IS TO, YEAH.
UH, BUT HOW CAN WE HAVE MOTION IF WE DON'T KNOW THE ANIMALS AND HOW MANY? SHERRY SAYS, UH, THIS IS JUST A MOTION TO LET'S DO THIS THING AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE, AND YOU SAID, HAMMER OUT THE DETAILS.
THEN WE'LL HAVE A SESSION AND Y'ALL GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH ALL THE DETAILS.
AND THEN THEY'LL DRAFT AN ORDINANCE.
AND THEN SETH SAYS, THIS IS JUST A QUICK, CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
AND JB SAYS, WELL, WHY CAN'T WE DISCUSS IT FIRST AND THEN COME BACK WITH A MOTION? THEN WE'LL HAVE ALL THE SOLID EVIDENCE IN THE GROUND.
AND SETH SAYS, THE MOTION IS TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION TO COME UP WITH SOME ORDINANCE OTHER, OTHERWISE IT DIES.
LANGER SAYS, YEAH, JUST START DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE.
LIKE, HURRY UP, LET'S GET IT DONE, OR CHANGE THE ONE WE HAVE.
AND THE MAYOR SAYS, BASICALLY, THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING THAT IF YOU APPROVE THIS, YOU APPROVE THIS, THAT YOU APPROVE GOING FORWARD FOR FINDING A METHOD TO ALLOW RABBITS FOR PROJECTS.
YOU CAN'T SAY FFA OR WHATEVER IT HAS TO BE FOR AN ORGANIZ.
ANY ORGANIZATION, YOU CAN JUST SAY, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T SAY, JUST SAY FFA OR FOUR H, UM, SANG ANNIA, UH, WHAT ARE THE LIMITS? YOU WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE LIMITS WERE, HOW MANY RABBITS AND WHATNOT.
JB SAYS, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.
THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING.
IF WE PROVE THIS, THEN WE HAVE TO HASH OUT THE PIECES.
THEN THE PIECES WOULD COME BACK AND WE CAN STILL SAY, I DON'T AGREE WITH THE PIECES, AND IT COULD STILL DIE.
SHERRY SAYS, SO THE NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER.
YOU ALL WOULD START HASHING THINGS OUT.
AND THE MAYOR SAYS, SO ALL THIS IS JUST ALL, ALL THE MOTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS FURTHER OR DO YOU WANT TO DISCUSS? YOU END THE DISCUSSION HERE IN SAYING, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE MAYOR COMES BACK, SAYS, ALL RIGHT.
UM, ALRIGHT, SO THE MOTION IS SECONDED ALL CALL FOR A VOTE.
WELL, IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, THE TABLE SAY, AYE.
UM, BROUGHT IS NO, JD SAYS WHAT JD WAS HOLDING BACK.
SO THE MAYOR ASKS JD, JD, UH, WHAT DID YOU VOTE? JB SAYS, UH, WE CAN LOOK INTO IT SAYS, UH, MAYOR SAYS, SO IS THAT A YES? BAKER SAYS, YES.
I WOULD RATHER US LOOK INTO IT FIRST AND THEN VOTED ON IT.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO IT TO SEE WHAT BOTH THE NUMBERS AND THE STUFF ARE, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
AND J JB SAYS, YES, I WILL LOOK INTO IT.
THAT WASN'T A PURE YES, THAT WAS CONDITIONAL.
SO THE MAYOR SAYS, ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD AND LOOK TO HASHING OUT THE DETAILS.
UM, IT'S RIDDLED WITH PROBLEMS, GUYS.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, IT IS TAKING A LONG TIME FOR YOU TO FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE NOT SURE.
AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, YOU, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE SORRY AT SOME PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME IF YOU LET THIS GO THROUGH.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WAS, THERE'S NOT ME HIDING ANYTHING.
I'M ONE OF THE MOST VOCAL PEOPLE UP HERE.
UM, I SUPPORT THE CHICKENS, I SUPPORT THE RABBITS, I SUPPORT ALL OF THAT.
ANYTHING THAT IS THE MAJORITY IS GOING TO WIN.
THAT'S, THAT'S HOW OUR IS SET UP IN A REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT.
THAT'S HOW WE MAJORITY DO THAT.
MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL.
NO, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE.
WE'RE ONLY HERE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE.
AND I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT LIMITED GOVERNMENT OUT GETTING OUT OF EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS.
THAT SOUNDS A LOT LIKE YOU'RE LYING.
THERE, THERE'S NOTHING TO HIDE AT ALL.
I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A NORMAL CONVERSATION WITH YOU GUYS AND TRY AND, AND TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM TO, TO MAYBE MEET IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT WHEN I TRIED THAT LAST TIME, YOUR WIFE CUSSED ME OUTSIDE LIKE A DOG.
SO IT'S HARD TO HAVE A CONVERSATION LIKE THAT IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO RESPECT.
SO I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M
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COMING FROM.I DO UNDERSTAND THE, THE REASON WHY THIS IS TAKING LONG IS, AND WHY A LOT OF THINGS TAKE A LONG TIME IS BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ALL SIT UP HERE AND WE'RE ALL ELECTED TO AT LARGE POSITIONS.
WE'RE NOT BY DISTRICTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING THE BEST DECISION FOR THE CITY AT LARGE.
AND SO I'VE BEEN, I'VE, I HAVE VOTED NO ON THIS ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT DO NOT WANT RABBITS OR CHICKENS.
AND SO THERE ARE, LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT IT.
AND THERE'S, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME, AND PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE IT OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WHENEVER I HAVE VOTED FOR OR AGAINST ITEMS THAT I WAS EITHER AGAINST OR FOR, BECAUSE THE BEST ANSWER WAS WHAT WAS THE BEST THING FOR THE CITY.
AND THAT, THAT I RECOGNIZE FROM YOU.
AND, UH, SO, AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S, I MEAN, I, IN NO WAY DO I FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY KIND OF AGENDA OTHER THAN THAT PEOPLE SITTING ON COUNCIL, THEY DO HAVE, THEY TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND THEY GET THE OPINIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY THEY TALK TO.
SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HERE REPRESENTING, JUST LIKE ALL OF US ARE.
SO, AND TO THAT POINT, UM, I'VE STATED SEVERAL TIMES, I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT CHICKENS OR RABBITS.
I DON'T WANT THOSE ANIMALS AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
HOWEVER, WHEN I WAS STANDING OUT AT THE POLLS, I WAS SHOCKED.
BUT THAT WAS THE SINGLE MOST COMMON QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKED.
IT WASN'T HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT TAXES OR HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS SPENDING? HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CHICKENS? THAT I WAS ASKED THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
SO I AM VERY RESPECTFUL, AND I'VE STATED THIS TO BOTH YOU AND YOUR WIFE OF YOUR OPINION.
AND I THINK THAT YOUR OPINION NEEDS TO BE WEIGHED IN THE DECISION, BUT THERE ARE A OF PEOPLE THAT FEEL THE OPPOSITE WAY.
SO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT ELECTED BY THE CHICKEN PEOPLE, AND SO THEREFORE NO, I DIDN'T SAY THAT.
YOU SAID THAT YOU TOLD THEM SOMETHING.
WHAT I SAID WAS, I WAS SURPRISED AT HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE, HOW BIG OF A CONCERN THAT WAS FROM CITIZENS.
WELL, THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T CHANGE.
I THINK THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE TAKEN TO THE PEOPLE.
SO WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT DID YOU ASK JB? HE SAID, CALL, QUESTION CALL, CALL A QUESTION.
I THINK I'M JUST GONNA BRING OUR ORDINANCE BACK BECAUSE Y'ALL ARE GIVING ME A REALLY GOOD DIRECTION.
THERE'S NOTHING TO, THERE'S NOTHING RIGHT THERE.
I MEAN, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING TO VOTE.
I THINK I, I, I THINK WE JUST BEATING IT, BEATING THIS TO DEATH.
AND, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK TO, TO MORE IN THE STRUCTURE OR MORE POTHOLES OF MORE ROADS AND TAKING CARE OF THE CITIZENS AND THE LEAKS AND, AND, AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
INSTEAD OF BEATING THIS UP ABOUT THE CHICKENS AND THE RABBITS AND THE, I THINK WE HAVE, UH, THIS MIGHT BE IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK WE GOT A LOT MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO FOR THE CITY INSTEAD OF JUST BEAT US TO THAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, JB BUT IT'S THE CITIZENS THAT KEEP BRINGING THIS BACK.
BUT I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF POTHOLES IN THE ROADS.
SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS, UH, WE'VE GIVEN SHERRY SOME DIRECTION AND SHE CAN DRAFT SOMETHING AND SHE'LL BRING IT BACK AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND WE'LL TWEAK IT.
AND THAT WON'T EVEN BE A FIRST READING.
YOU DON'T WANT ME TO BRING FIRST READING? WELL, THE ODDS ARE IS WE'RE GO WELL, YOU CAN BRING YOUR FIRST READING.
AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU CAN JUST TELL ME TO GO BACK AND TRY SOMETHING.
SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, YOU, YOU COULD VOTE DOWN THAT VERSION AND, AND RE AND REQUEST AMENDMENTS OR WHATEVER ELSE.
AND THEN WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WHAT WE STUDY.
AND THEN WE'LL BE HAVE ANOTHER FIRST WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WHAT WE STUDY, ANOTHER FIRST READING.
THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT? YEAH.
I THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN END A DISCUSSION IS, IS SOMEBODY PUT A MOTION OUT THERE.
IF YOU WANT TO END IT DISCUSSION TONIGHT, YOU END A DISCUSSION WITH A MOTION TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND THEN IF YOU GET A SECOND, YOU GET A SECOND AND WE'LL DISCUSS IT AND WE'LL VOTE ON IT.
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NOBODY HAS COME UP AND SAID, WE WANT TO STOP IT.WE WANT TO BE OPEN ENOUGH TO ALLOW FOR SOME RABBITS WITH RESTRICTIONS IN THE CITY.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING RIGHT NOW.
AND JUST LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, IS, IS THAT WE COULD GO DOWN THE ROAD ROAD TWO MORE MEETINGS, TWO MORE MEETINGS, WE COULD GO DOWN THE ROAD.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE END THIS DISCUSSION, THAT WE CAN MOVE ON TO MORE INFRASTRUCTION UH, GETTING BACK TO DOING THE WORK OF THE CITY.
SO WAIT, WHAT? I'M, I'M UNSURE YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT KILLING RABBIT ORDINANCES ALTOGETHER.
WHAT IS YOUR MOTION THAT WE, IN A RABBIT DISCUSSION, THE CHICKEN DISCUSSIONS AND JUST GET BACK TO, TO DOING.
SO YOUR, YOUR MOTION WOULD BE IS, IS TO, YOUR MOTION WOULD BE, IS NOT TO ALLOW TO CONTINUE TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGE TO ORDINANCE.
SOMETHING LIKE YOU END IT ALL TOGETHER AND WE JUST GET BACK TO OUR NORMAL BUSINESS THAT WE WAS DOING FOR, I WAS DOING FOR THE LAST 10 OR 12 YEARS.
SO YOU, SO YOU DON'T WANT SHERRY TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE TO THE NEXT MEETING? OH, HE, WHAT? HE'S, YES.
WHAT HE'S WANTING IS, IS THAT BASICALLY IS TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT OF IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE RABBITS OR NOT.
BUT HE DOESN'T WANT IT EVER BROUGHT US AGAIN.
I MEAN, IN THE SENSE THAT IF THE TWO WEEKS FROM NOW SOMEBODY MADE A MOTION TO GO THE OTHER WAY AND FOUR PEOPLE VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT, THEN IT WOULD JUST, WE'D BE RIGHT BACK ON.
THERE'S NO WAY TO KILL MOTIONS AND ORDINANCES ON A PARTICULAR TOPIC FOREVER, I WOULDN'T THINK.
JUSTIN PULLAM 89 19 JAPONICA ROSENBERG, OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE RABBITS.
SO I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, AND THIS IS HOW, HOW GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK, IS THAT WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
Y'ALL ARE ALLEG THROUGH YOUR VOTES, HOPEFULLY WOULD SOMEWHAT MIRROR THE MAJORITY OF YOU WILL, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO CONSIDER THE RIGHT OF THE MINORITY.
AND I THINK THIS IS A, UH, A THEORY THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, NOT EVERYONE, BUT A COUPLE OF 'EM AT LEAST UNDERSTAND WE DON'T HAVE MARU.
THIS CITY MUST RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY.
AND IN THIS INSTANCE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING SOMETHING HARMLESS.
SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO KILL RABBITS, I THINK IN ALONG WITH THAT MOTION, YOU'D HAVE TO BAN CATS AND DOGS FROM YOUR CITY.
I THINK Y'ALL ARE REALLY LOOKING INTO LITIGATION FOR THE FIRST ONE THAT REALLY WANTS TO RABBIT.
UM, SO IT'S NOT JUST THIS MAJORITY RULE OR THE NO, IN MY BACKYARD RULE, IT'S YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS AND THE MINORITY.
NOW, I GO TO COUNCIL MEETINGS ALL ACROSS THE STATE, AND I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN BUSINESS SO DYSFUNCTIONAL.
I THINK WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, IT'S WHAT I CALL THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE, BE IT THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS DETERMINING THE PUBLIC POLICY.
I'M SORRY IF I'M BORING, YOU COUNSELOR, INSTEAD OF THE PEOPLE VIA THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS SETTING THE POLICY, IT'S THE ADMINISTRATION, MAYBE THE MAYOR TOO, THAT WANTS SOMETHING A CERTAIN WAY.
AND THE ADMINISTRATION PLAYS THESE GAMES.
THERE'S, HEY, HAVE THE, THE, THE, THE ORDINANCE READY FOR LAST MEETING.
HEY, LET'S HAVE THE THINGS WHERE WE HAVE THE RED LINE AND HAVE AN ORDINANCE READY TO GO.
NOW Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT DRAGGING THIS INTO A SIXTH MEETING BASED.
AND THIS, IF IT DOESN'T GET KILLED BY THE FORMER POLICE OFFICER, ACTUALLY CURRENT POLICE OFFICER WHO'S SUPPOSED TO RESPECT THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF EVERYONE.
BUT AGAIN, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
A FEW PEOPLE SAY NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S, IF, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, NO ONE'S CAME BEFORE THIS PODIUM BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND SAID, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THIS RABBIT HORROR STORY I HAD.
JUST SO FOR WHAT? TO KILL DREAMS, TO KILL HOPE.
JUST SEND EVERYONE THROUGH THE LITTLE INDOCTRINATION THING.
LOOK LIKE, LOOK AROUND, AROUND.
AND I, AND I GET PEOPLE WHO RUN FOR OFFICE, A LOT OF 'EM HAVE MORE MONEY.
THEY RUN IN DIFFERENT SOCIAL CIRCLES.
AND Y'ALL TALKED ABOUT WHO CAME TO VOTE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LAKE JACKSON WHO DON'T EVEN HAVE THE TIME OR THEY DON'T EVEN GO VOTE.
Y'ALL ARE MORE THAN JUST REPRESENTING THE VOTERS.
THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE I TALK TO EVERY DAY.
THEY'RE INTIMIDATED TO COME UP BEFORE A YEAR.
I GET Y'ALL COULD TAKE ME OUT OR TAKE ME WHATEVER.
I'M NOT SCARED TO SPEAK ABOUT OUR RIGHTS OR ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF THE VOICELESS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HARMLESS RABBITS.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO RAMROD THEIR WAY THAT THEY DON'T WANT RABBITS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT THEY'RE PLAYING THESE GAMES TO NEVER ACTUALLY LET AN ORDINANCE COME BEFORE THIS BODY.
I, I HOPE WHAT Y'ALL WILL DECIDE TO DO, I THINK THE NIGHT'S STILL EARLY.
WHAT YOU CAN DO IF THIS MOTION I HOPE WILL DIE, WILL GET KILLED.
THE NEXT MOTION COULD BE THIS.
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A MOTION.I KNOW THEY LIKE THE CITY ATTORNEY DOING EVERYTHING, BUT I THINK THIS IS BASIC ENOUGH.
YOU'LL HAVE THE ENGLETON EXAMPLE.
WRITE UP THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE CLOSING OF THIS MEETING SO THERE CAN BE A FIRST READ SO THAT IT CAN FINALLY MOVE ON.
AND MAYBE NEXT TIME, WITHIN FOUR MEETINGS HAVE A VOTE ON THIS.
IF NOT, Y'ALL BE THE REPUTATION FOR THE MOST DYSFUNCTIONAL GOVERNMENTAL BODY THAT Y'ALL CANNOT EVEN DETERMINE A MOST BASIC ISSUE THAT REALLY AFFECTS NO ONE.
SO DO WE STILL HAVE A MOTION ON THE FULL I, I'D CAUSE I NEED CLARIFICATION CUZ JB STARTED ONE AND I NEED TO CLARIFI, WE GOT IT A SECOND, BUT I NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THE MOTION IS BEFORE WE GO FORWARD.
AND CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION OR HOW DOES YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS MOTION TO BE, TO FINISH? OKAY.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THIS AND THEN YOU MOTION I'M READY TO AND GET IT TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
A MOTION IS THAT WE DROPPED THIS AND THAT WE MOVE ON AND THAT WE GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS THAT WE'RE BEING AT HAND, THAT WE GET BACK ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OR GET BACK AND TO BUSINESS.
UM, THE BAD STREETS, THE THE LEAKING PIPES, THE, UH, THE, THE DOWNTOWN WORK, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WE NEED TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER EMPLOYEES OR THE, THE BUSINESS AT HAND INSTEAD OF, WE KEEP GOING OVER AND OVER OVER THE CHICKENS OR THE RABBITS, UH, OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ITEMS DOES NOT COME BACK? YES, IT IS IMPORTANT.
IT'S IMPORTANT JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS AND, AND I THINK THIS HAS BEEN, UH, THE ONE OF THE LONGEST, UH, INCIDENT WHERE THAT WE HAVE HAD GOING OVER, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE HAD TO FIGHT OVER DOWNTOWN OR THE GOLF COURSE OR THE, THE BUILDING OF THE NEW REC CENTER.
I JUST WANNA SAY, I JUST WANNA SAY THOUGH THAT, TO JUST SHUT THIS DOWN, IS TO IGNORE WHAT YOUR CITIZENS HAVE BROUGHT UP TO YOU TO JUST SAY IT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION AND THERE'S A LOT EMOTION FOLKS.
I'D LIKE FOR US TO MOVE ON AND WITH BUSINESS.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A FULL HOUSE HERE.
WE DON'T, BUT THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
AND IT HAS, I MEAN, IT'S THE FOURTH MEETING OR THIRD MEETING OR WHATEVER IT IS.
I THINK IT'S THE FOURTH MEETING OF THE COUNCIL, NOT THE CITIZENS.
BUT LIKE IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CHICKEN MEETING, IF YOU GO BACK TO THE, THE RABBIT MEETING, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE KEEP SHOWING UP FOR.
NOT THE BUDGET OR THE TAXES OR WHATEVER THE, THE ACTUAL IMPORTANT THINGS.
SO IT IS IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU VOTED FOR THIS TWO MEETINGS AGO AND NOW YOU'RE NO, I VOTED, I VOTED TO FOR US TO DO A STUDY AND NOW YOU'RE, NOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO KILL THE WHOLE THING.
I VOTED FOR US TO, THERE'S DO A STUDY.
YES, I CAN DO A STUDY, BUT I CAN DO A STUDY AND THEN I CAN CHANGE MY MIND ONCE I GET TO STUDY.
SO JUST TO CLARIFY, MY SECOND HERE, SO FOR ME TO CONTINUE ON MY SECOND, I UNDERSTAND IT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS YOU WANTED TO END THIS FOR TONIGHT.
WHAT WE JUST SPENT EARLIER WORKING ON IS STILL VALID.
I'LL BE DONE, BUT THAT'S NOT MY SECOND ON THAT.
MY UNDERSTANDING WAS WE MOVE ON, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I MEAN, WE ALREADY TAKE A VOTE IN WELL, THERE'S NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A SECOND.
SO HE'S PULL, HE'S REMOVING A SECOND.
SO, UH, SO YOUR MOTION IT DOES JUST SITS THERE.
SO IT'S, YOU DIDN'T GET A SECOND.
SO WHAT WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION AND WE'VE GIVEN THE, THE CITY ATTORNEY SOME DIRECTION TO GO WRITE AN ORDINANCE AND WE'LL BRING YOU BACK AS A FIRST READING.
AND COUNSEL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH, IF PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND IF THEY WANT TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL US, THEY WANNA SEND US EMAILS AND TELL US WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT, THEN WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR NOT.
THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS JUST LIKE WITH WHAT'S A LITTLE BIT FRUSTRATING IS, IS LIKE WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHICKEN SITUATION WAS THAT CAME TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL MADE A DECISION, THE PARTIES THAT DIDN'T AGREE WITH THAT ARE,
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ARE, ARE STILL WANT TO PURSUE THAT THEY CAN PURSUE IT IN DIFFERENT ROUTES, BUT AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO DECIDE WE ARE A COMMUNITY AND A DECISION'S BEEN MADE AND TO MOVE ON.AND WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THAT.
WE NEVER HAVE HAD THAT STRUGGLE IN THE PAST.
WE'VE HAD A COUNCIL HAVE, HAVE MADE A DECISION AND HAVE MOVED ON, WIN OR LOSE.
WE'VE MOVED ON AND WE'RE NOT MOVING ON IS WHAT JB IS SAYING.
AND, AND BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT AND IF, UH, ANY OF THE CITIZEN WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND TALK TO ME MORE ABOUT IT AND GIVE ME MORE INFORMATION, I, I'M WILLING TO LISTEN TO AND BE OPEN ABOUT IT AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
AND I MEAN THE, UH, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UH, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT WE, WE GO OFF TO THE SIDE RIGHT NOW AND GO WRITE AN ORDINANCE AND BRING IT BACK.
BUT I HADN'T HAD ANY CITIZENS COME TO ME AND TALK TO ME ANYTHING ABOUT, ABOUT THE RABBITS OR THE CHICKENS.
SO WE WILL, WE WILL BRING IT BACK FIRST READING WITH THIS INPUT FROM, UH, CITY MANAGER.
WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM FOUR IS DISCUSS, UH, CONCEPT OF LIMITING, UH, LIMITED CHARGE.
SO BEFORE WE MOVE ON, SO WHAT, WHAT DO WE STAND NOW? WHERE WE AT STAYING NOW IS WE'VE GIVEN SHERRY SOME DIRECTION AND SHE WILL WRITE UP A DRAFT ORDINANCE AND THEN WE WILL JUST, WE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THAT DRAFT ORDINANCE AND MAKE A DECISION.
SO WE'LL BRING IT BACK NEXT MEETING AGAIN.
AND YOU CAN VOTE FOR IT OR VOTE AGAINST IF YOU VOTE AGAINST, IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT, IT'S DONE ONE BE DRAFT THOUGH IT'S DOWN UNTIL SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN.
I MEAN FIRST IT'S A FIRST READ.
THE REASON WHY I SAID DRAFT IS WELL NEVERMIND BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS LISTED AS YEAH.
SO IT'LL BE A FIRST READING OF A ORDINANCE WITH THE, UH, ITEMS THAT WE LISTED.
[4. Discuss concept of limited charging parking stations for electric vehicles in downtown – Meagan Borth ]
DISCUSS, UH, CONCEPT OF LIMITED CHARGING PARKING, STA PARKING STATIONS FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.AND THIS IS SOMETHING I KIND OF STARTED WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT, UH, ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION DOWNTOWN.
I'D ASKED, UH, MEGAN IF SHE WOULD CHECK WITH A FEW COMPANIES, UH, THAT UH, DO THIS KIND OF SERVICE.
SO SHE FOLLOWED, SHE'S BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
SO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, WE STAFF HAS GOTTEN APPROACHED BY A FEW COMPANIES.
I ALSO REACHED OUT TO A FEW, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, UH, WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN BRINGING ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.
THEY'RE SPECIFICALLY INTERESTED RIGHT NOW IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BECAUSE OF ITS CLOSE PROXIMITY TO H HEB AS WELL AS THE LOCAL EATERIES AND RETAIL SHOPS.
UM, THIS IS JUST US TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CONCEPT.
UM, IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WE WOULD GET INTO THE MORE DETAILS.
SO THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE WE WOULD DO, UM, A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.
IT'S A COMPETITIVE BIDDING PROCESS.
UH, ANYONE, ANY COMPANIES WOULD BE OPEN TO IT.
SO WE WOULD ADVERTISE FOR IT, ALLOW THEM TO GIVE US PROPOSALS WHICH WOULD, UH, STATE WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THESE, THE LOCATION.
IT WOULD STATE HOW MUCH THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR SAID LOCATION IF WE DID A LEASE OR A PERMITTING PROCESS.
AND THEN IT WOULD ALSO, UM, JUST TALK ABOUT KIND OF LIKE THE DETAILS OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF OTHER CARS WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PARK THERE THAT WEREN'T CHARGING VEHICLES.
UM, SO THAT WOULD GET INTO THE DETAILS AT THAT TIME.
SO TONIGHT WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED DETAILS.
WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO YOU IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONCEPT, WHERE YOU CAN REVIEW ALL OF THE PROPOSALS THAT WE RECEIVED AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH AT THAT TIME.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TELL THEM TO TRY AND LIMIT THEIR FOOTPRINT ON DOWNTOWN BECAUSE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T TAKE AWAY PUBLIC PARKING, ESPECIALLY FOR A PRIVATE VENTURE LIKE THIS.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY STIPULATION THAT WE WOULD PUT OUT THERE IS JUST YEAH.
UH, CUZ WE HAVE ONE PROPOSAL THAT CONSUMES UH, TWO SPOTS BECAUSE OF TRANSFORMERS, BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT CONCEPTS OUT THERE.
UH, SO WE, SO THIS IS JUST STAFF IS TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS PROCESS OR REACH OUT TO MORE COMPANIES OR ANYTHING.
IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH AND YOU WANT US TO CONTINUE EXPLORING AND BRING YOU BACK THOSE PROPOSALS IN A MORE FORMAL SETTING OR IF THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, YOU THINK THE DOWNTOWN PARKING SHOULD BE FOR REGULAR PARKING INSTEAD OF ELECTRIC CHARGING PARKING.
ANOTHER REASON WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE THIS WEEKEND.
I WAS, THERE WAS A LARGE GROUP OF, UH, REUNION GROUP THAT WAS IN THE AREA AND THEY SPENT, UH, QUITE A FEW DOLLARS DOWNTOWN AND, UH, SEVERAL, UH,
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SEVERAL, I SAID I HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT CAME UP AND ASKED WHERE WAS THE LO CLOSEST CHARGING STATION TO DOWNTOWN.AND SO I HAD TO TELL 'EM THE MARRIOTT AND A FEW OTHER PLACES THAT ARE, HAVE CAR CHARGING STATIONS.
SO THEY WERE LOOKING TO, WHILE THEY WERE SPENDING MONEY DOWNTOWN TO BE ABLE TO CHARGE YOUR VEHICLE DOWNTOWN.
SO SINCE THERE WOULD BE OPTION OF LEASING, THIS WOULD NOT BE DOING IT FOR FREE.
SO THERE SHOULD NOT CONFLICT WITH THAT THING ABOUT CORRECT.
THEY WERE GIVING IT AWAY FREE THEN THAT WOULD BE CONFLICT WITH THAT SINCE.
YEAH, I WOULD BE SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA.
SO AGAIN, THE IDEA IS LIKE MEGAN SAYS, WE'LL GO OUT THERE AND, AND IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT, WE'LL GET SOME INFORMATION.
WE'LL COME BACK AND AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT, SAY, UH, YOU COULD REJECT ALL THE PROPOSALS RIGHT.
IF, IF YOU DID NOT FEEL LIKE ANY, MET YOUR STANDARDS, BUT WHAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING OF GIVING AWAY FREE TO PARKING SPACE? YOU'RE GONNA CONSUME PARKING SPACE.
SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GONNA REQUIRE 'EM TO LEASE THE PARKING SPACE.
THEY WOULD BE ON CITY PROPERTIES AND THAT'S WHAT WE THEY WOULD BE LEASING CITY PROPERTY.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE, MEGAN, LIKE I I SUSPECT OUR THERE ARE VENDORS DOWNTOWN WHO MIGHT REALLY WANT THIS AND OTHERS WHO WOULD NOT.
DO YOU HAVE ANY? I I OF COURSE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT IF WE CHOOSE TO GO FORWARD AND ALL THAT.
YOU JUST, DO YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANYBODY DURING THE RECONSTRUCTION ABOUT IT? SO UNFORTUNATELY MY DEALINGS WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN SLIGHTLY MORE NEGATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING BECAUSE THEY WANT MORE TO OPTIMIZE PARKING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
AND SO I DO THINK MOST OF THEM WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS JUST BECAUSE IT, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE SET UP, WHICH IS COMMON IN MOST CITIES.
WE WOULD NOT, YOU COULD PARK THERE EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CHARGING VEHICLE.
SO IT'S NOT NECESSARILY TAKING UP ANY PARKING SPACES FROM SOMEONE, BUT MOST PEOPLE DON'T PARK IN A SPOT THAT'S RESERVED FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
UM, SO I DON'T THINK MOST OF THEM WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT.
BUT LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE HAVE LOOKED AT CERTAIN AREAS LIKE SOUTH PARKING PLACE WHERE THE PAVILION IS, UM, THAT THE BUSINESSES, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN DURING THE DAY.
IT'S NOT AS CONGESTED IN THERE WITH TRAFFIC.
IT'D BE REALLY GOOD FOR EVENTS THAT WERE HELD AT THE PAVILION.
SO WE HAVE A FEW IDEAS OF AREAS THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT CERTAIN BUSINESSES AS MUCH, UM, THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HIGHLIGHT FOR THEM OR JUST TELL THEM TO TRY AND STAY AWAY FROM HIGHLY POPULATED RETAIL AREAS.
BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM TO YEAH.
AND I UNDERSTAND SOME RETAILERS LIKE IT CUZ IT TAKES UP 30, 40 MINUTES.
YOU'VE GOT CAPTIVE AUDIENCE THERE FOR 30, 45 MINUTES.
MIGHT AS WELL SPEND IT IN THEIR STORE.
BUT THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS WE DO HAVE, IN A SEND A NOTE TO MEGAN AND MODESTO IS THAT WE DO HAVE THE, UH, PARKING LOT THAT THE CITY PARKING LOT WE PUT DOWNTOWN AND PAID $50,000 FOR MANY YEARS AGO THAT BY CVS.
UH, BY CVS BEHIND CRAWFORD'S, UH, I MEAN NOT CROSS, UH, CHAMPAGNE AND CHAMPAGNE.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE AN AREA WHERE WE WOULDN'T BE, WOULD HAVE LESS AN IMPACT.
IT'S NOT A GREAT PLACE TO HAVE IT, BUT IT'S STILL DOWNTOWN.
SO WE'VE GOT SOME, I SO MEGAN WILL PUT THAT IN THE, THE, UH, REQUEST, UH, OF WHAT AREAS MIGHT BE OPEN FOR THIS DISCUSSION.
MAYBE SOME INPUT ALSO FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT.
UH, WE HAVE, WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHAT COUNCILMAN BLANCHARD SAID AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT, UH, THE FIRES SAFETY ASPECT.
UM, WHICH WE'RE DEALING WITH COLES.
THEY'RE PUTTING IN SOME RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROBABLY REQUIRE OF THEM.
WE HAD GOOD DISCUSSION WITH WILL ABOUT YES.
AND WITH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT ABOUT THAT.
LIKE OUR, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW THESE, AND I WAS LOOKING AT LOOKING UP INFORMATION AND THE THING IS, IS IT'S ALSO NEW.
THE, THE, THERE'S NOT A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT IT, ABOUT HOW IT WORKS.
LIKE ARE THEY GONNA BE METERED? WHO GETS THAT BILL? YOU KNOW.
JUST, THERE JUST ISN'T A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERE.
SO ARE Y'ALL OKAY WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT? MM-HMM.
[5. Discuss traffic calming measures for Any Way Street – Chase Blanchard ]
RIGHT.ITEM FIVE AGAIN WAS, UH, REQUESTED TO BE DEFERRED TO NOVEMBER 7TH.
[6. Discuss and consider an ordinance for a limited right turn lane on Dixie Drive at Brazoswood Drive – first reading - Sabrina England]
ITEM SIX IS DISCUSSING, CONSIDERING ORDINANCE FOR LIMITED RIGHT TURN LANE ON DIXIE DRIVE TO BRAS AT BRASSWOOD DRIVE.THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS ADMITTING CHAPTER 98, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES TO MAKE THE RIGHT LANE AT NORTHBOUND DIXIE DRIVE AT BRAS WOOD DRIVE A RIGHT TURN ONLY LANE, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT HERE WITH SHALL BE REP REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT, ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING THAT THE ORDINANCE SHALL TAKE EFFECT AND BE IN FORCE FIVE DAYS AFTER PUBLICATION.
AND WHAT DID THE TIME, DID WE PUT WHAT TIME PERIODS WE HAVE, UH, ESTABLISHED THAT TIME PERIOD YET IT WOULD JUST BE LIKE IT IS ON OCD IT TO BE ABOUT A HALF HOUR BEFORE, HALF HOUR AFTER THE START STOP TIMES.
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SO WE NEED TO PUT, DO WE NEED TO PUT THE TIME IN THE ORDINANCE? MM-HMM.SO I THINK IF THE SIX 30 TO NINE IN SCHOOL SOMETHING, OH WAIT, IT'S RIGHT HERE.
SIX 30 TO NINE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
DO WE JUST NEED IT IN THE MORNING? YES.
THAT'S ALL IT'S BEEN REQUESTED IS IN THE MORNING.
IS IT, IS IT A POSSIBILITY TO SUSPEND THE SECOND THING RULE AND PASSED IN THE FIRST? THERE'S NOT AN EMERGENCY AND I NOW HAVE TO FIX WHAT I WROTE.
IT'S FOR TRAFFIC ISSUES, RIGHT? OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION, I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION, BUT WE HAVE A THAT, SO I NEED A MOTION ON, UH, THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSSION JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.
WHY ONLY IN THE MORNING? WELL, THAT'S ONE EVER.
IT'S, IT'S A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME.
IT'S, IT'S THE MOST, CAUSE EVERYBODY'S CRUSHING TO GET THERE AT A SPECIFIC TIME.
SO THAT'S WHY IT'S, AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DISPERSED IN THE EVENING.
CAUSE KIDS LEAVE FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AT DIFFERENT TIMES IN THE EVENING.
SO IF I COULD GET A MOTION ON THE ITEM, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER.
SO CAN WE, WE CAN MOVE TO APPROVE THIS WRITING WITH THE ADDITIONAL ADD IN.
SO YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE, UH, THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE ADDITIONAL, UM, SIX 30 TO 9:00 AM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND NOW DISCUSSION.
SO THEN WHEN IT COMES BACK NEXT TIME IT'LL BE SECOND.
SECOND FOR YOU'LL HAVE THE CHANGE THAT SHE'S, THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.
ISN'T THAT, ARE HE THERE? THAT'S IN THE, THE OCD ONE.
WE'RE JUST GONNA ADD THAT SAME LANGUAGE DOWN TO THE WAY.
ANYBODY IN AUDIENCE? DIDN'T ANYBODY SIGN UP FROM THIS ONE? ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.
I MEAN, IT'S NOT APPROVED, BUT MOTION HAS CARRIED ON THE FIRST READING WITH CHANGE.
[7. Discuss methods to deter developers from clear cutting property or from removing protected trees - Sherri Russell]
UH, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, UH, JERRY.ITEM, UH, SEVEN DISCUSSED METHOD TO DETERMINE DEVELOPERS DE DETERRED DEVELOPERS FROM CLEAR CUTTING PROPERTY OR FROM REMOVING PROTECTED TREES.
YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT? SURE.
UM, COUNCIL NIA ASKED THAT I LOOK INTO THIS AND BRING, UM, SOME INFORMATION BACK.
WE HAD A DEVELOPER AND THE PICTURE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET THAT, UH, CLEAR AND HE GOT ONE CITATION AND HE JUST WENT AND PAID IT WITH OUT A PROBLEM.
HE WANTS TO MAKE IT MORE PAINFUL FOR PEOPLE TO DO THIS.
YOU CAN'T, CANNOT MAKE THE FEE MORE THAN $500.
YOU CAN MAKE IT PER TREE INSTEAD OF, HE WAS, HE WAS WRITTEN A CITATION FOR CLEAR CUTTING.
BUT IF YOU MAKE IT FOR REMOVING TREES, AND CERTAINLY WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES WERE REMOVED, BUT WE WERE MISSING IT.
PRETTY, PRETTY WELL GOING OUT THERE TO IT, AN OFFENSE PER TREE.
UM, OTHER, THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT HAVE CIVIL FINES ATTACHED AND THEY ALSO STOP WORK UNTIL THE THE CIVIL FINES ARE, UM, PAID.
AND THAT, THAT IS DEFINITELY THE WAY TO MAKE
CAUSE TIME TO THEM IS EVERYTHING.
UM, SO I DIDN'T, IT'S JUST FOR OUT TO DISCUSS WHAT YOU WANT, IF YOU WANT.
WE'VE RAN INTO THIS MULTIPLE TIMES NOW, CORRECT? WELL, IT STARTED OUT WITH DIFFERENT, YEAH, IT STARTED OUT MANY YEARS AGO WHENEVER, UH, AN AREA WAS CLEARCUTTED OVER WEEKEND.
AND SO THAT'S WHENEVER THE TREE ORDINANCE, THAT'S WHAT DROVE THE TREE ORDINANCE BEING PUT IN PLACE.
AND SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN MODIFIED A FEW TIMES MAYBE, BUT IT'S BEEN PRETTY MUCH THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
BUT IT'S THE FOCUS OF THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS MORE FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL.
YES, IT IS FOR ONLY, WELL, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU OWN THE PROPERTY, YOU OWN, YOU CAN TAKE DOWN A TREE, RIGHT.
I MEAN, YOUR HOUSE, YOU CAN TAKE DOWN A TREE.
WE TRY TO GET, KEEP THE COMMERCIAL TO HAVE LANDSCAPING SO IT DOESN'T JUST LOOK ALL CONCRETE AND SIGNS AND THEN, UM, SO BUT RESIDENTIAL, WHEN THE SUBDIVISION IS BEING DEVELOPED IS CONSIDERED COMMERCIAL AT THAT POINT.
WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T GO INTO SOMEBODY WHO OWNS THEIR HOUSE AND TELL THEM HOW MANY TREES THEY HAVE.
AND YOU KNOW, THE PLANTERS SUPPORT THAT TYPE OF, UH, UH, ORDINANCE.
WHAT TYPE OF ORDINANCE? PER ACRE OR PER TREE OR PER, THEY SAID IT'D BE HARDER TO DELINEATE EACH TREE THAT WAS THERE ON THE PROPERTY, BUT IF YOU DID A BROAD BRUSH PER ACRE OR TWO
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ACRES, THEN UH, THEN IT'D BE EASIER TO, OKAY.THAT'S, I DIDN'T THINK OF PER ACRE, BUT YEAH, SO WHATEVER Y'ALL MOST RECENT WAS THE ONE A NORTHWARD, UH, SECTION.
I KNOW THAT ADDING FOUR FOOT OF DIRT, SO NONE OF THE TREES WOULD'VE SURVIVED, BUT REGARDLESS THEY WENT AND CLEAR CUT THE WHOLE AREA WITHOUT ANY PERMITS.
YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS A, I MEAN, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALLOWED TO CLEAR CUT THERE, THERE'S A PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE FLAT, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE PERMIT.
SO WE, SO WE KNOW THE AREA AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
WELL, THE CHALLENGE, LET'S GO BACK TO NORTHWOOD.
SO YES, THEY DID DO A CLEAR CUT, BUT WHAT THEY DID THAT WAS ALSO A BIGGER VIOLATION WAS THEY DID ALL THAT WORK WITHOUT DOING ALL THE PLOT AND ALL OF THIS STUFF, WHICH IS REQUIRED YES.
SO WISER NOT, UH, SOME LEVERAGE THERE FOR US TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PRESCRIBED REQUIREMENTS FOR D DEVELOPMENT INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, ALL WE DID WAS CHARGE OF $500 FOR CLEAR CUTTING.
BUT, UH, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY KIND OF, UM, LEARNING TOOL THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US TO, TO STOP THAT FROM HAPPENING? WE DON'T HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW.
IF THAT'S, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL WANNA DISCUSS THIS, LIKE I SAID, SOME CITIES STOP WORK, STOP PERMITTING.
UM, IT'S HARD TO STOP PERMITTING WHEN THEY JUST DO IT WITHOUT THE PERMIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WELL, NO, I MEAN, WHEN THINGS HOLD UP TO WE HOLD 'EM UP IS WHAT WE GET UNTIL WE GET MITIGATION, UNTIL WE GET THE CIVIL FINES PAID.
WELL, WHAT CIVIL FINES WOULD THERE BE TIED TO NOT FOLLOWING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURES.
SO I THINK, UM, IT WOULD BE, UM, SEE THAT'S, THAT'S THE HARD PART.
PUTTING A MONETARY VALUE ON, ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO WHAT, WHAT HARM THEY CAUSED TO.
THAT'S, THAT'S HARD TO DETERMINE.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THOUGH, IF YOU PUT TOO, UH, TOO MUCH FINE OR SOMETHING COULD, IT COULD WORK AGAINST YOU.
BUT WHEN PLANTATION APARTMENTS THERE, THE LAST CLEAR CUT THEY DID ON THE, UH, UH, THEY'VE STOPPED THE WORK, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT GONNA ALLOW YOU THE PERMIT TO CONTINUE.
AND THEY SAT THERE FOR EIGHT, 10 MONTHS, JUST STICKS AND NO WORK.
AND, UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING EITHER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO DUBLIN ONCE IT CONTINUES.
WELL, I THINK WE WERE WAITING ON THEM TO COME BACK AND PLAN.
THEY WERE NO, THEY, NO, THE REASON WHY THEY WERE HELD UP WAS THEIR CHOICE.
IT WAS SUPPLY CHAIN AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'S, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING ON IT.
THEY JUST, THEY DECIDED THAT IT WASN'T GOOD TO CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION FROM THE POINT THAT THEY DID.
UH, BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT, THAT HAD SOME COMMENTS.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO, UH, MR. HUNTER ON ITS ITEM.
UM, UM, WELL THE SUBJECT OF TREES IS ALWAYS AN INTEREST OF MINE AND I LOVE TREES AND I LOVE THE SHADE THEY PROVIDE AND HOW THEY REALLY TAKE CARE OF OUR ENVIRONMENT FOR US.
UM, AND I HEARD WHAT YOU, YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT HOMEOWNERS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT.
BASICALLY IT'S THEIR PROPERTY, IT'S THEIR TREE.
THEY CAN CUT IT DOWN IF THEY WANT TO.
AND, AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO PUT THOSE KINDS OF RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE.
THAT'S THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
BUT I, I WITNESSED ON THAT WAY STREET A NEIGHBOR THAT PURCHASED A HOME THAT WAS GORGEOUS.
IT HAD FOUR BEAUTIFUL, FIVE BEAUTIFUL COUNTRIES AND IMMEDIATELY CUT 'EM ALL DOWN.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE WEST STUMPS JUST SITTING THERE, DIDN'T EVEN HAVE 'EM GROUND.
I MEAN IT'S, AND JUST, HE'S STILL GOT ONE OF 'EM.
HE STILL STICKS UP IN THE BACKYARD AND HE GOT LATERALLY IN THE GAS.
LIKE HE'S GONNA CUT IT DOWN A LITTLE AT A TIME.
THE BEST I COULD GUESS IS HE WANTED TO GET SUNLIGHT TO HIS GARDEN, WHICH IS JUST NOT A GARDEN AT ALL.
SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, IT'S JUST MY PERSONAL FEELING, MY COMMENT, YOU KNOW, SOME WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF A NEIGHBOR HAS TO CUT DOWN A TREE, IT SHOULD BE FOR SOME LEGITIMATE REASON, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S DESTROYING HIS, HIS, UH, SLAP.
UM, IT'S TOO CLOSE TO THE HOME FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES AND LIKE FALL, IT'S IN SUCH BAD CONDITION, IT WOULD FALL IN THE HOME.
AND INJURIES, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE REASONS FOR CUTTING TREES DOWN.
BUT THIS GUY HAD NO REASON WHATSOEVER.
THE TREES WEREN'T CLOSE TO THE HOME.
THE HOUSE HAD NO FOUNDATION ISSUES, YOU KNOW? ANYWAY, JUST MY OPINION ON THAT.
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KEEP, KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS.I MEAN, WE GOT A BEAUTIFICATION PRO PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY.
WE PLANT TREES HUNDREDS, I GUESS, OF OVER A PERIOD OF A YEAR AND YEAH, WE GOT PEOPLE NEEDLESSLY CUTTING TREES DOWN.
UH, JUSTIN, JUST PULL 'EM, UH, 89 19 JAPONICA DRIVE OUTSIDE OF ROSENBERG.
UH, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, WHERE ALL THE HOMES ON MY STREET AND THE STREETS SURROUND ME, WERE BUILT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.
IF I WANTED TO, UH, BUY A HOME LIKE THAT IN LAKE JACKSON, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? I'M ASKING, UH, FACTUAL CREEKSIDE, THREE YEARS.
CREEKSIDE CREEKSIDE AND, AND HOW, HOW MANY HOMES ARE THERE? A HUNDRED AND SOMETHING? YEAH.
AND NORTHWOOD IS ANOTHER 140, I THINK.
AND, AND HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN? UH, HOW, HOW THERE'S ALSO, THERE'S ALSO THE GROUP THAT WAS IN HERE EARLIER THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING TOO, SO.
WHERE IS THAT ONE? IT'S OFF OF WEA.
AND, UM, WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THE, I THINK IT'S CALLED LIKE ALDEN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND THAT IS STILL OCCURRING? IT'S, IT'S STILL UP TO THE, THE OWNER AND, UH, PROSPECTIVE BUYERS TO, TO DEVELOP IT.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY PROGRESSED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS? NO.
UM, SO I THINK ABOUT THINGS LIKE WHY ISN'T THERE MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? I SEE, UH, APARTMENTS, UH, I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF NEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS, I THINK AND OTHER ONES GOING IN AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST WONDER IS THAT GOING TO BRING IN THE LONG TERM WEALTH AND TAX BASE NEEDED TO SUPPORT FANCY CITY OF ENCHANTMENT DOWNTOWN? AND THEN I WONDER WHY, UH, THESE DEVELOPMENTS? YEAH, YOU HAVE A FEW SMALL ONES, BUT THE BIG ONE, AND I WAS READING IN, IN THE FACTS, SOMETHING ABOUT, UM, ANGLETON TO GROW BY THOUSANDS OF ROOFTOPS, UH, 2000 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON 870 ACRES ADJACENT TO THE CITY LIMITS.
CERTAINLY THEY'RE A LITTLE CLOSER TO HOUSTON, BUT I WONDER IF THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.
AND THEN WE CAN EVEN SEE AN ORDINANCE WITH SOME, I GUESS SOME RED LINES ON IT.
AT THE FIRST READ, AT THE FIRST MEETING, IT CAME UP WITH, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL, I THINK THE QUOTE WAS TO MAKE IT MORE PAINFUL FOR DEVELOPERS.
THIS IS TEXAS AND THERE'S A REASON WHY I THINK SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIVE IN THIS CITY AND DON'T SPEND MONEY IN THE CITY AND DON'T BUILD OUR BUY HOMES IN THIS CITY.
AND IT'S THIS MENTALITY THAT IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION OR THE COUNCIL MAJORITY FEELS, PEOPLE SHOULD LIVE THEIR LIFE.
LIKE, THEN IT JUST DOESN'T FEEL WELCOMING.
SO YOU GO ELSEWHERE AND WITHOUT DEVELOPMENT.
SOME WE'RE IN LEVEE, LIKE WE'RE IN LEVEE'S FOR MOST OF THE ACREAGE.
SOMETIMES YOU'VE GOT TO CLEAR THE LAND TO DEVELOP SOMETHING REALLY NICE.
I THINK SOME OF THE NEWER STUFF HERE IS PRETTY NICE.
THERE'S NOT MANY MATURE TREES.
HEY, PLANT A LIVE OAK LI IN FACT, I, I ENCOURAGE YOU TONIGHT AT THE MEETING AFTERWARDS, READ ABOUT LIVE OAKS.
YOU CAN PLAN A NICE LIVE OAK, AND IN 20, ESPECIALLY 30 YEARS, IT'S BEAUTIFUL.
SO THIS GENERATIONAL THING, IT DOESN'T TAKE GENERATIONS TO HAVE NICE TREES.
PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS CARE ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE WHO, LIKE Y'ALL REALLY CARE ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY MORE THAN THEY DO.
IF THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WOULD LOSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE TREES, RIGHT? SO IF THEY COULD KEEP THAT TREE, THEY WOULD KEEP THAT TREE.
SO THEY COULD SELL A LOT OR HAVE PEOPLE IN PARK UNDER THEIR PARKING LOT, UNDER THE NICE PRETTY SHADE TREE.
I, I REALLY DON'T THINK ANYONE'S BEING THAT DESTRUCTIVE, THAT THEY'RE PURPOSELY JUST KILLING NICE MATURE TREES FOR THE HECK OF IT.
BECAUSE THOSE TREES ARE THE MOST VALUABLE TO THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, TO THAT DEVELOPER.
UH, LEON VALLEY, TEXAS IS WHERE I WORKED, UH, COVERED A LOT.
THEY, THEY MADE THEIR TREE ORDINANCE A REAL BIG DEAL.
FORTUNATELY, NOT QUITE THIS BAD.
AND IT'S THESE KINDS OF THINGS.
UM, ESPECIALLY IN AGGREGATE, ONCE YOU GET MORE AND MORE OF THESE NANNY REGULATIONS, THE DEVELOPERS GO, YEAH, THERE'S ACREAGE AND FURTHER NORTH, AND GOLLY, THE BRAS RIVER KIND OF FLOODS.
SOMETIMES WE'LL JUST PAY A LITTLE BIT MORE PER ACRE AND DEVELOP FURTHER UP.
I REALLY CAUTION THIS BODY ON LITERALLY, I MEAN, THAT CAME THIRD HAND, SO MAYBE HE DIDN'T REALLY SAY TO MAKE IT PAINFUL FOR PEOPLE, WE SHOULD WANT TO EMPOWER PEOPLE TO BE, HEY, IF TREES ARE THAT IMPORTANT, HOW ABOUT A POSITIVE ROUTE? HEY, WE WILL GIVE YOU SPECIAL ECONOMIC, AND I'M AGAINST ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF, BUT Y'ALL DO THAT HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, SPECIAL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU KEEP THE NICE MATURE TREES, DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT PAIN FROM CITY MASTER?
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I REALLY, I REALLY HOPE Y'ALL CONSIDER THESE THINGS.MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE, BUT THAT THESE KIND OF THREADS THAT I'M BRINGING YOU OR WHY I DON'T LIVE IN THIS CITY.
I FUNDAMENTALLY LIKE THIS CITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE, BUT IT'S THIS GOVERNMENT THAT PUSHED ME OUT.
THERE'S SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
SO THE, THE CHALLENGE WITH US ON RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS, IS AS YOU PUT IT, ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS WE PUT ON PEOPLE, IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE LAND.
THERE IS NO LAND AND OF AVAILABLE LAND.
WE HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH DEVELOPMENT OF IT.
AND, UM, YES, UH, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, YES, PEOPLE DO VALUE THEIR, THEIR TREES AND, UH, IT VALUE AND IT ADDS VALUE TO THEIR PROPERTY.
THE TREES, UH, WHEN A TREE FALLS DOWN ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO YOUR HOMEOWNER'S, UH, INSURANCE AND GET, UH, UH, REIMBURSED FOR THAT VALUE OF THAT, THAT TREE, THAT MATURE TREE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AT LEAST MY INSURANCE DOES THAT.
UH, BUT THEN WE DO HAVE, THE REASON WHY THE ORDINANCE IS THERE IS BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD, UH, BUSINESSES THAT HAVE COME IN THAT HAVE CH CHOSEN NOT TO, UH, RESPECT, UH, OUR DESIRE TO HAVE MATURE TREES IN OUR CITY WHERE WE CAN, AND THEY HAVE COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT.
SO THEY HAD NO VALUE OF THOSE TREES.
THEY HAD NO VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THAT THEY WANTED TO COME IN, BRING THEIR BUSINESS HERE MM-HMM.
SO, WHICH AGAIN, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THEM BRINGING THEIR BUSINESS, BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO PARTNER WITH US AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
JUST LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE SHOULD BE PARTNERING WITH THEM.
WE, WE, WE TRY OUR BEST TO PARTNER WITH ALL BUSINESSES AND DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES INTO THE AREA.
UH, WE'VE HAD, EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD A BIG BOX COME IN AND WANTS TO PUT IN A NEW, UH, STRUCTURE, THEY ALWAYS COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, AFTER WE GIVE THEM ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, IT EITHER BE LANDSCAPING OR PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THEY ALWAYS, THEIR RESPONSE BACK IS, WELL, IS THAT ALL BECAUSE THEY'RE USED TO HIGHER RESTRICTIONS THAN WHAT WE HAVE ON LANDSCAPING AND SO FORTH.
SO WE DON'T ARBITRARILY JUST COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS.
UH, WHEN IT COMES TO THESE REQUIREMENTS.
WE'VE, WE'VE GONE OUT THERE AND SEEN AND SEEN WHAT IS OUT THERE IN THE MARKETPLACE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE COMPETITIVE.
BUT AGAIN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE BLANK OPEN PROPERTY.
IT'S PROBABLY THE NET LAST, UH, COMPONENT OF NORTHWOOD THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF, OF, OF THE, THE, UH, OF THE TREES AND BECAUSE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
UH, SO, UM, AND THEN, UH, AS FAR AS ALDEN GOES, IS, UH, ALDEN'S A PRIME PIECE OF PROPERTY.
IT'S THE LAST PLACE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD UP TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THERE AND SO FORTH.
SO THE OWNER KNOWS THAT HE HAS A PRIME PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND SO HE'S WAITING AS LONG AS HE HAS TO, TO GET THE BEST PRICE FOR THE PROPERTY HE HAS THERE.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST TO WORK WITH.
EVERYBODY'S BROUGHT THE TABLE, AND, UH, IT'S JUST HE HASN'T MADE A WORK OUT A DEAL IN MANY, MANY YEARS.
AND, UH, AGAIN, IT JUST HASN'T HAPPENED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, MAYOR.
I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE A CARROT STICK APPROACH INSTEAD OF THE AUTHORITARIAN APPROACH.
SOMETIMES THE CITY GETS HEAVY HANDED, AND I'M NOT SURE Y'ALL CAN WAIT FOREVER TO DEVELOP.
I MEAN, THE LOTS AND EVERYTHING, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GETTING OLDER, SO IT'S NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOME TIME.
BUT WE DO WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED BY THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE BY OUR STATE LEGISLATURE.
WE'RE ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES TO USE WAS CALLED A THREE 80, A CHAPTER THREE 80.
THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, BRINGING COALS IN THAT THAT BROUGHT IN HEB, IT BROUGHT IN IMPROVEMENTS AT THE MALL AND SO FORTH, AND MOVIE THEATERS AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF.
SO WE DO USE THOSE TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US, WHICH AGAIN, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH THOSE TOOLS EITHER.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE USING THOSE TOOLS, YOU KNOW, UH, I WOULD BE IN THAT CAMP TOO.
I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT A BIG FAN OF ABATEMENTS AND WE DON'T DO, YOU KNOW, TAX ABATEMENTS LIKE THE COUNTY DOES MM-HMM.
BUT, UH, WE DON'T OPPOSE 'EM, BUT WE DON'T DO THOSE.
LIKE I SAID, THE THREE 80 IS AVAILABLE AND, UH, AGAIN, THE THREE 80 IS A NON-DESTRUCTIVE FORM OF ABATEMENT.
UH, AND SO IF THEY DON'T PERFORM, THE WAY OUR ABATEMENTS, OUR THREE 80 S ARE SET UP IS, IS IT'S ONLY THERE IS, IF THEY DELIVER WHAT THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA DELIVER, AS IN ADDITIONAL SALES TAX MM-HMM.
WE LOOK AT THOSE AS A WIN-WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY.
SO WE TRY TO USE THE TOOLS THAT WE CAN, THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
UM, BUT WE DO, WE DO ENJOY OUR, I MEAN, THERE, THERE, EVERY TIME TREES COME UP, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'M JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE, THERE HAS TO SAY IS THAT WHEN YOUR HOME WAS BUILT, A TREE HAD TO COME DOWN.
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BUT WE TRY TO AGAIN, LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE CAN TO TRY TO, ESPECIALLY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS, TO SEE WHAT ANY OF THOSE MAJESTIC TREES THAT THEY CAN BE SAVED.BUT LIKE WITH NORTHWOOD, NO TREE WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO BE SAVED BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO RAISE IT BY FOUR FEET.
SO NO TREE WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO SURVIVE.
AND THAT'S AN UNFORTUNATE ASPECT OF DEVELOPMENT.
AND I JUST CAN ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, EVEN WHEN THEY DON'T DO THINGS EXACTLY HOW EVERY ONE OF US WOULD LIKE IT.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN WITH NORTHWOOD.
WITH NORTHWOOD, WE DID USE A TOOL.
BUT WE MADE THAT AVAILABLE TO, TO ENABLE THE DEVELOPER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
SO WE COULD HAVE BEEN STRONG HANDED AND SAY, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT.
BUT WE WANTED THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET THAT TO, TO GET THAT THOSE NEW HOMES PUT INTO OUR CITY.
SO THAT'S WHY WE WENT IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND TWO QUICK THINGS, UM, WITH THE TREE THING, ONE OF, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A DEAL WITH A DEVELOPER AND YOU AGREE ON CERTAIN THINGS, AND THEY AGREE ON, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ARBORIST COME IN, OR WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SAVE THIS MANY TREES, AND THEN THEY GO BEHIND AND JUST ARBITRARILY DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO KEEP THEIR WORD WITH THE DEAL THAT WE ALL AGREED UPON IN THE FIRST PLACE, THEN A $500 FINE IS NOTHING.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY PROBABLY WHAT LED TO THIS DISCUSSION IS NOBODY HAS BEEN HEAVY HANDED.
AND SO NO, NONE OF THESE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN, UM, FORCED TO KEEP THEIR WORD.
AND THAT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS, IS THAT YOU'RE DOING BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO, UM, KEEP THEIR WORD.
YOU KNOW, WHAT, YOU SAT DOWN, YOU TALKED ABOUT AND YOU WERE TRANSPARENT ABOUT AND YOU AGREED UPON.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS, AND I PROBABLY HAVE STRUGGLED WITH THIS SOMEWHAT, CUZ I DIDN'T GROW UP IN LAKE JACKSON, I GREW UP IN ENGLETON.
UM, IS ONE OF MY PROBLEMS WITH THE STATE LEGISLATURE IN RECENT YEARS IS THEY LIKE TO DO THESE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
THEY WANT TO, THEY WANT LAKE JACKSON TO BE THE SAME AS SURFSIDE, THE SAME AS DALLAS, THE SAME AS HOUSTON.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S GOOD ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY IS YOU HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CITIES RIGHT HERE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.
LAKE JACKSON IS NOT THE SAME AS ANGLETON IS NOT THE SAME AS DANBURY.
AND EACH ONE OF THESE CITIES DOES HAVE THE RIGHT, AND I WILL DEFEND THE RIGHT.
WHETHER I DEFEND THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, CAN'T HAVE RABBITS OR CAN'T HAVE CHICKENS, I WILL STILL DEFEND THE RIGHT OF THE COMMUNITY TO DICTATE WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY THEY WANT.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE ARE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE LIVING IN THE NANNY STATE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S THOSE OF US WHO DON'T LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CHOICES IN WHERE YOU SETTLE.
AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ANY OF THOSE CAN'T CHANGE, YOU KNOW? I MEAN, CLEARLY WE'RE UP HERE PUSHING FOR SOME, SOME CHANGES AND I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.
BUT YOU STILL, AND I HAVE TO DO THAT.
SOMETIMES I HAVE TO STEP BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME OR WHAT I WANT, WHAT IS THIS COMMUNITY OVERALL, YOU KNOW? AND LIKE JACKSON IS DIFFERENT THAN INGLETON THAN SURFSIDE AND WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT AS WELL.
SO IT'S, IT FEELS LIKE A FINE LINE TO WALK SOMETIMES, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT THE CITY'S NOT A HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AND PEOPLE, THE CITY DEVELOPED, CERTAINLY NOT FROM A NANNY REGULATION.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A VERY INDUSTRIAL AREA AND IN MANY CITIES THEY WOULD PROBABLY FIGHT THAT MM-HMM.
UM, SO THERE'S NOT VOUCHERS TO RELOCATE PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH HOW THINGS ARE DONE.
SO IT TURNS OUT THAT PEOPLE CAN COME UP AND LODGE THEIR GRIEVANCES BEFORE THE BOARD.
AND IF THE BOARD DISAGREES AND NOTHING MOVES, THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY DECIDE TO LEAVE.
BUT WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE SOME OF THESE IDEAS AND YEAH, I'M ALL FOR THEM.
I THINK EVERYBODY APPEARS ALL FOR THAT.
YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I WALK A FINE LINE UP HERE SOMETIMES FROM LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO THE HUNTERS MM-HMM.
I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO LISTEN BECAUSE THEY'RE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY MM-HMM.
AND LATE JACKSON WAS BUILT IN A CERTAIN WAY FROM THE BEGINNING, AND IT WASN'T BUILT THE SAME WAY THAT ETON WAS BUILT.
UM, AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I FEEL LIKE IS EACH OF OUR JOBS IS TO SIT HERE AND YOU GOTTA KINDA WEIGH THOSE THINGS OUT, YOU KNOW? SURE.
AND I UNDERSTAND, AND AGAIN, I'M, I'M NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, BLOWING WIND WHEN I SAY I LEFT HERE BECAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
LIKE, I SPEND MY MONEY ELSEWHERE BECAUSE OF, THERE WAS THINGS IN, WORK OUT FOR ME, THINGS YOU AGREE WITH TO BUY A HOUSE HERE.
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SURE.AND SO I, I'M JUST LETTING THIS BOARD KNOW, AND I'VE, UH, ARTICULATED THESE THINGS TO OTHER CITY ADMINISTRATORS AND FORMER CITY ADMINISTRATORS IN THE PAST.
SO I AM HERE BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, BECAUSE BASICALLY I, I, THE CITY MANAGER NEVER ISN'T RESPONSIVE TO ME.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M COMING TO THE MEETINGS NOW.
AND I APPRECIATE, AND I, AND I THINK THESE ARE ALL VALID POINTS AND I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THIS DIALOGUE INSTEAD OF WANTING TO CANCEL EVERYONE.
SO IS THERE A CERTAIN DIRECTION YOU ALL WANT TO GO ON WITH THESE TREES WITH THE, NOT WITH THE TREES BUT WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND CLEAR CUTTING? IS THERE ANY SORT OF DIRECTION? DO YOU WANT SOME TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT? DO YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION? I, I THINK THAT WITH THE DEVELOPERS, WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY AGREE TO US, WHATEVER, WE SIT DOWN AND HAVE A, IF WE SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA AGREE THEY'RE GONNA KEEP 50 OF THESE TREES, THEN THEY NEED TO KEEP 50 OF THESE TREES.
AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, UM, KEEP THEIR WORD THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN A $500 FINE.
BECAUSE THEY DON'T, I MEAN THAT'S JUST, THEY'RE INDIFFERENT TO THAT.
WELL THAT CASE, THAT CASE COULD BE PER TREE.
IT WOULD BE PER TREE OR PER PER ACRE PER HALF ACRE OR RIGHT.
BUT ARE YOU, BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE THEY DON'T COME TO US AND AGREE AHEAD OF TIME.
IT'S, IT'S, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I MEAN, SHE BROUGHT UP A REALLY GREAT POINT.
WELL, AGAIN, ON THE DEVELOPER PLANTATION FOR EXAMPLE, IS, IS THAT, UH, THEY HAD DEFINED A TREE THAT THEY WERE GONNA SAVE.
UH, AND WE ALL AGREED UPON THAT.
AND THEN NEXT THING WE KNOW IS EDDIE'S COMING OVER AND SAYING, WELL, THEY JUST TOOK THAT TREE OUT AND IT'S BECAUSE THEIR CONTRACTOR THAT WAS CUTTING THE DRIVE FOR THE DRIVEWAY HIT THE ROOTS AND MADE A DECISION ON HIS OWN THAT WELL, SINCE HE HIT THE ROOTS, THAT TREE WASN'T GONNA SURVIVE.
WELL THEN THE CONTRACTOR PROBABLY DIDN'T KNOW.
BUT SO THEY SHOULD BE MARKING THE TREES THEN BETTER.
SO THEY SHOULD BE PUTTING RED, THAT'S WHY WE FENCING AROUND.
AND WE DID THAT WITH THE, THE, THIS LAKEWOOD.
BECAUSE THAT WAS RIGHT BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL.
BUT I CAME TO THOSE PLANNING MEETINGS AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO MARK THE TREES.
I WAS REQUIRE, I WAS SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OF THAT WE MARK THE TREES WITH THE FENCING SO THAT NOTHING GOES INSIDE THAT FENCING.
AND WHAT I WANTED WAS THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A PENALTY IF SOMEBODY GOES IN AND DOES WORK INSIDE THE FENCING.
BUT WE NEVER DID DO THAT SO WELL, OKAY.
SO IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, THE PLA LANDSCAPING PLAN AND BLACK PEN WAS ALREADY APPROVED WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
SO THEY OH, WAS IT WHICH PAYING NORTHWOOD? NO, NO, IT WASN'T.
HE'S THE EXPERT ON WHAT THEY, I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS ALL SOUNDS LIKE STUFF I HEARD WHEN I WAS LIAISING WITH PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO I'M NOT, ARE WE GIVING THEM DIRECTION WITH THIS ORDINANCE TOO, OR PLEASE.
THIS DE ORDINANCE CAME ABOUT FROM TWO IN PARTICULAR, TWO SITUATIONS NOW.
AND BOTH OF THEM DID NOT HAVE ANY SIDE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLAT ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
IT WAS SO HAPPENS THAT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DECIDED TO TAKE IT ON HIS OWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT OR ON A WEEKEND TO GO OUT THERE AND CLEAR CUT, EITHER UNBEKNOWNST OF THE ORDINANCE OR
WHENEVER THERE'S A SIDE PLAN AND THERE IS AN UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE CITY AND THE PLANNERS OF WHAT IS GONNA REMAIN, WHAT IS GONNA BE, UH, PROVIDED FOR IN THIS PARTICULAR LANDSCAPE.
THERE'S NOT A, OH, I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS A PROBLEM, BUT I MEAN, THERE WILL BE A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES, BUT THIS WAS PRIMARILY THE PRODUCT OF PEOPLE GOING OUT THERE AND FLAGRANTLY JUST DECIDED TO TAKE IT ON THEIR OWN.
SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? MM-HMM.
HOW SHOULD WE ADDRESS THAT? WHAT UM, CAUSE YOU DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPERS MORE.
SO, UH, I WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE DETERRENT? WHAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YEAH, YOU COULD PUSH IT BACK.
JARRET IS, IS A HEF TO, UH, FINE.
I MEAN, COMPARED TO A DEVELOPER'S GONNA BE SPENDING FIVE, $6 MILLION ON A PROJECT OR EVEN MORE NOWADAYS.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S I'LL PAID ANYTIME, ANYTIME SO THAT I CAN GET, GET AWAY WITH WHAT I CAN.
SO, SO AT WHAT POINT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS DO I HAVE TO GET A SITE PLAN? AT THE VERY GETGO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLANT.
SO, AND I REALLY DON'T, I REALLY DON'T WANT THE ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
IF I, IF I COULD SCRAPE UP THE MONEY TO BUY ALDEN AND I
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JUST WANTED TO FARM HAY THERE.COULD I JUST GO CLEAR CUT EVERY TREE? NO.
SO, SO I GUESS I, IS THAT BECAUSE OF ACREAGE THAT YEAH.
THAT HELP ME OUT THERE? THAT IS A, THAT'S A ZONE R ONE DEVELOPMENT.
ON THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT PLANTED, IT IS ZONED ALREADY R ONE, THE ONLY PLACE WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE.
CLEAR CUTTING AND, AND, UH, PLANTING OR DOING WHATEVER AGRICULTURAL PROCESS.
IT'S IN AN AGRICULTURAL LAND THAT IS NOT PROPERLY ZONED.
AND WE DO HAVE THOSE AROUND IN THE AREA RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AREA NORTH OF, UH, 2004 RIGHT NEXT TO THE NORTH NORTHWOOD AREA AND BEYOND NORTHWOOD NORTH, NORTH OF NORTHWOOD, WHERE THOSE ARE AGRICULTURAL LANDS WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO OUT THERE.
WE CANNOT TELL ANYONE TO GO IN THERE AND GRAZE THAT OR PASTURE THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, BUT IN THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ZONED ALREADY FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES OR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES MM-HMM.
AND ALL THE PROPERTY GETTING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY COMES IN AS R ONE AND THEN IT HAS TO BE CHANGED THE ZONING AS COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER.
EVERYTHING COMING IN IS R ONE.
SO SAL, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT UH, WE REALLY NEED INPUT FROM PLANNERS ON WHAT? AND LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE ISSUE OF COMING IN MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND CLEAR CUTTING.
SO ACTUALLY PLANNERS INVITED SHERRY, SHE CAN, YOU CAN COME TO THEIR NEXT MEETING.
OH, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD AN INVITATION.
CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD ME THE LAST PLANNER'S MEETING.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT, WOULD THAT BE THE BEST PLACE TO START DISCUSSION THE LAST, ON THE LAST ISSUE OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR ORDINANCE, THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THAT.
BUT OF COURSE THEY DID NOT SAY, HAVE ANY SAY ON, ON MINING OR ANYTHING.
WELL, AGAIN, I, I THINK WHAT SCOTT IS FRUSTRATED IS I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME TOOLS MAYBE HANDLED, UH, AFTER A PLAN HAS PUT IN PLACE.
WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING THOSE AS CASES COME UP.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE IS A TOOL TO KEEP A DEVELOPER FROM BUYING LAND TODAY AND CLEAR CUTTING IT TOMORROW WITHOUT PUTTING A PLOT PLAN IN PLACE.
AND AGAIN, THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE THERE IS, IS THAT THE ONLY TOOL THAT I KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN PLACE IS, IS THAT WE WOULD PENALIZE THEM BY HOLDING THEM UP ON DEVELOPING.
AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PLANNERS WANT TO, IS THAT ERODE PLANNERS WOULD WANT TO GO DOWN OR RECOMMEND TO US? WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHERE STATE LAW COMES INTO PLAY IN THAT PARTICULAR CASE OR STATE LAW BEING, UH, HAVING GIVEN SO MUCH, UH, I GUESS, UH, FAVORITISM TO THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPERS.
FEW YEARS AGO, DAYS THE LAST SESSION.
SO MANY DAYS THEY HAVE TO RESPOND YEAH.
REQUEST THAT'S THEY'RE FILING BUT THEY'RE NOT EVEN DOING THAT.
SO THIS IS, IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YEAH, ALL YOU CAN DO IS SURVEY
ANYTHING BEYOND THAT IS YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING IF IT'S, IT'S GREAT IF YOU CAN COME TO THE PLANNER'S MEETING, PLANNER'S MEETING.
SO IS THAT THE CONSENSUS? LET'S LET PLANNERS DISCUSS THIS A LITTLE BIT.
CAUSE REALLY IT'S, I'M FEEL LIKE AND GET IN OVER A LITTLE BIT.
AND THEN GONNA SEND THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER PLANTERS THEY COMING.
WELL MEAN, I KNOW PLANNING COMMISSION TAKES THIS KIND OF STUFF VERY SERIOUSLY.
THEY LITERALLY COUNT THE TREES BASED ON SIZE AND YET IT'S A VERY SERIOUS THING AND IT'S, I I FEEL LIKE THEIR INPUT WOULD, WOULD CERTAINLY BENEFIT ME.
AND AGAIN, AT NORTHWOOD, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WOULD HAD, IF THE CONVERSATION WOULD'VE HAPPENED, LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE, THERE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN AGREEMENT IS YOU'RE GONNA RAISE BY FOUR FOOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SAVE A TREE AND GO AHEAD AND DO IT.
AND SO THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED AND DURING THIS COMMERCIAL LEVEL THAT IT'S ABOUT TAKE, UH, UH, FLIGHT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A, UH, STORAGE AREA AT, UH, THE REGAL STORAGE RIGHT AREA 2004, WHERE THEY EXPANDED BACK TO THE BACK IN A TREAT SITUATION THERE.
UH, THEY CAME IN HERE, THEY EXPLAINED THE PROJECT, THEY, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
WE REALIZED THAT WHAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO DO IS CLICK AT ALL THAT AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ELEVATE THAT THING ABOUT FULL FOOT.
AND AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THE SITUATION THERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY DID THE PROPER PLOTTING THAT NOW ALLOWS IT TO PROCEED WITH, WITH THIS.
STAFF WILL GET THAT TO PLANNERS THAT THEY'RE, THE DIRECTIONS IS THAT I WOULD LIKE PLANNERS TO CONSIDER IS JUST THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE ENOUGH OF A PENALTY FOR NOT KEEPING YOUR
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WORD.IT NEEDS TO BE IMPACTFUL FOR THEM TO AGREE UPON SOMETHING OR TO KNOWINGLY BYPASS IT.
[8. Discuss and consider recommendation from the Parks Board to implement the new fee schedule for the Recreation Center and Park Pavilions to begin November 1, 2022 – Robin Hyden]
RIGHT.UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDATION FROM PARKS BOARD TO IMPLEMENT THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE RECREATION CENTER AND PARKS PAVILIONS.
SO BEFORE ROBIN GETS STARTED, UM, TWO THINGS.
YOUR DECISION TONIGHT WILL NOT IMPACT THE BUDGET.
UH, THE BUDGET WAS SET WITH NO INCREASE IN ANY FEES.
SO IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE FEES, THIS DOES NOT IMPACT OUR FISCAL BUDGET THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY IN FOR 2223.
THE OTHER THING IS, THE REASON RON OR ROBIN IS BRINGING THESE IS TO IMPROVE OUR COST RECOVERY PERCENTAGE.
UM, THAT'S JUST SO WE'RE LESS DEPENDENT ON SALES TAX REVENUE OR ANY REVENUE.
UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THESE ARE COMING FORWARD AND THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET.
WITH THAT, I'LL LET ROBIN KIND OF TALK ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.
UM, THESE ARE THE FEES THAT WE BROUGHT A FEW MONTHS BACK THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED AND KIND OF WENT OVER WITH YOU.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AGAIN, BRING OUR COST RECOVERY LITTLE UP, UM, BRING THAT UP.
OF COURSE WE'RE ALL FACING, YOU KNOW, INCREASES IN SO MANY THINGS.
UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE FEES ALSO ARE AFTER WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND KIND OF DONE OUR, WHEN WE'VE DONE OUR SURVEYS AND STUFF, WE'RE ACTUALLY, UM, LOSING MONEY ON CERTAIN RENTALS WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE THAT WE HAVE TO STAFF.
ESPECIALLY IF ANYTHING THAT HAS CONSIDERS LIFEGUARD, UM, WHEN WE HAVE THESE KIND OF PARTIES, FOR ME IT'S, UH, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY LIKE 110 FOR A FULL PARTY.
WE'RE LOSING ABOUT $50 ON EVERY PARTY.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CAUSE THE STAFF INCREASES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, WE DO TRY TO NOT DO THIS, UM, AS OFTEN AS WE, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR.
BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT JUST TO BRING UP AND SEE.
ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THESE, THESE ARE STILL LOWER THAN UM, ANY OF THE REC CENTERS AROUND HERE THAT HAVE JUST RECENTLY HAD INCREAS.
WAS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE READ THROUGH IT OR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ THROUGH ANY OF THIS.
UM, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? AND WE DID GET A QUESTION.
THIS DOES NOT IMPACT SOUTH PARKING PLACE PAVILION.
SO JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, THAT DOES NOT IMPACT THIS? NO, THIS IS JUST, YEAH, THE, UH, PARK RENTALS, WHICH IS LIKE DUNBAR THE CLAIM, UM, WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO REORGANIZE.
IT'S IN THE CLAIM RENTALS JUST A LITTLE BIT ON THIS JUST BECAUSE WE'RE REPEAT SO MANY BIG RENTALS WITH 500 OR MORE PEOPLE.
UM, AND WHEN THOSE HAPPEN IT REALLY IMPACTS THE OTHER AREAS IN THAT PARK.
AND MORE WE START CONCENTRATING THINGS LIKE SKATE PARK, DARK PARK AT ALL.
IT'S BECOMING A REAL, A CENTRAL HUB FOR US.
WE DON'T WANT TO, RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG EVENT LIKE THAT, UM, YOU CAN'T RENT THE SMALL PAVILION.
SOMETIMES IF YOU GET A THOUSAND PEOPLE, WHICH WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE, THE BALLPARKS ARE IMPACTED BY THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE JUST EITHER CAN'T DO 'EM OR WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THE PURPOSE OF THESE NEWS PROPOSED RATES IS TO IMPROVE OUR ABILITY TO, TO RECOVER COST, SIR.
AND I, I COULDN'T REALLY TELL BY LOOKING THROUGH THE CHARTS HERE, OUR RESIDENCE, CUZ IT WAS BROKEN UP INTO THREE TIERS.
CORRECT? THE RESIDENTIAL RATE NON-RESIDENT, NOT THE REC CENTER.
AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE REASONS TOO ON THE DAILY PASSE IS UM, WE REALLY WANNA ENCOURAGE WHEN YOU GET TO BE WHERE YOU'RE, UM, IT'S CHEAPER TO HAVE A DAY PASS THAN IT ISN'T MEMBERSHIP.
SO, UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE CAN WORK WITH.
THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT A, A 10% INCREASE ON MEMBERSHIP FEES.
WE'RE HAVING, CAUSE I KNOW, RIGHT.
AND WE'LL NOTIFY ALL OF OUR MEMBERS AND LET PEOPLE KNOW.
UM, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER THING WE DO IS WE DO OFFER, UM, SEVERAL DISCOUNTED THINGS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
YOU KNOW, WE DO, UH, THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR WE DO NEW YEAR NEW USE SPECIALS, UM, WHERE WE GIVE DISCOUNTS ON, ON YEARLY MEMBERSHIPS.
YOU KNOW, UM, I MEAN WE REALLY TRY TO GET THAT IN AND, AND KIND OF DO THE MEMBERSHIP DRIVES AND STUFF BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE MEMBERSHIPS IN.
UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS MEMBERSHIP FEES WORK WHERE OTHER RENTAL THINGS WENT UP 20%.
UM, THE MEMBERSHIPS, WE DID KEEP THEM AT 10.
AND THAT ALSO HELPS US COVER A LOT OF THE AMENITIES AND THINGS.
SO I GET A MOTION ON THIS, MAYOR.
I MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, IMPLEMENT THE NEW FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE RECREATION CENTER AND PART PAVILIONS TO BEGIN NOVEMBER 1ST, 2022.
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SECOND MOTION ON THE SECOND.ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVORS SAY AYE.
[9. Review Oyster Creek Drive median cut near Kroger Shopping Center – Sal Aguirre ]
ON TO ITEM UH, NINE REVIEW OR CREEK DRIVE MEDIA CUT NEAR KROGER SHOPPING CENTER SOUTH.THIS CAME BACK, UH, AFTER YOUR DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAD WITH THE, UH, DEVELOPER AND MR. KAKA, UH, ON THE, UH, OPENING OF, OF OR CREEK DRIVE IN ORDER TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT.
UH, YOUR, UH, YOUR DETERMINATION BACK THEN WAS A TWOFOLD ONE THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW THE OPENING OF THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, MEDIUM THERE UNDER WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY HAD A DECELERATION LANE.
AND THAT ALSO THAT, THAT THE CITY OF CLODE, UH, INITIATES SOME TYPE OF AN ARRANGEMENT FOR A CROSS AXIS AGREEMENT WITH THE, UH, UH, MARKETPLACE, UH, DEVELOPERS THAT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME HAD A RIGHT NOW HAD A ION OF THAT.
SO THOSE, THOSE WERE TWO, THE ISLAND THAT WERE IMPOSED VALUE IN YOUR LAST MEETING.
THEY APPROACHED THE, THEY, UH, SENT US THEIR, I MEAN THE ORIGINAL PLAN, WHICH WAS TO HAVE THAT DECELERATION LANE AT THAT, UH, AT THAT TIME WE WENT BACK AND YOU THAT EN THAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
UH, SO THERE WAS GONNA BE THE DECELERATION LANE COMING INTO THE, UH, PROPERTY GOING, UH, EASTBOUND.
AND YOU ALSO HAD THAT DECELERATION LANE GOING WESTBOUND INTO THE PROPERTY.
UH, WHEN THEY APPROACH, WHEN THEY SENT US THAT ORIGINAL DRAFT THERE OF WHAT, UH, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH, UH, THE CITY MANAGER, UH, RECOMMENDED THAT WE A NOT ONLY DO THAT, BUT THAT WE ADDED EXTRA, AN EXTRA ACCELERATION LANE GOING, UH, EASTBOUND AS YOU CAN TELL FROM, FROM THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
AND ALSO THAT THE, UH, OPENING AT THE MEDIAN, THEY'RE BEING INCREASED THERE TO THAT PARTICULAR LENGTH IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AT LEAST A REFUGE, UH, PORTION OF THE LANE THERE.
IF ANY, IF ANY, UH, CROSSING TRAFFIC FOUND THEMSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE WAS A HIGH SPEED OR, UH, A SIGNIFICANTLY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE IN.
AND IF THEY GOT CAUGHT IN THERE IN BETWEEN, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO TAKE REFUGE IN THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF, UH, THAT WAS ACCEPTED OR THERE WAS ACCEPT EXCEPT THE VAN GHOST OUT CONDITIONS.
AND THEREFORE THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING.
THEY ARE AWARE ABOUT THE SECOND ITEM, WHICH WAS THAT THE CITY OF INCLUDE, WHICH IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE WE'RE TOLD THAT THEY'RE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TALKING.
THEY ARE, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW.
UH, BUT THAT IS STILL ONE OF, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT'S STILL GONNA BE AND HELD INTO ACCOUNT, UH, BEFORE WE ACTUALLY MAKE THE FINAL RELEASE OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR OPEN.
SO I JUST WANNA CLARIFY, THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AND APPROVED.
THEY JUST NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS SHOWS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WERE THINKING BEFORE THEY GO OUT AND GET COST ESTIMATE.
SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANY OF THIS LAST, CORRECT? WELL YOU, YOU ALLOWED THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT PENDING THAT THEY MET YOUR TWO NO.
IT WAS AS LONG AS THEY MET YOUR TWO ITEMS THAT YEAH, BUT IF THEY, SAL JUST SPOKE ABOUT IF THEY GET A CROSS CUT AGREEMENT, THEN THEY WON'T NEED THIS.
IT WAS CONTINGENT ON BOTH, SIR, THE CROSS CUT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? CORRECT.
NO, THE CROSS ACCESS CROSS BACK, BACK ACCESS.
THE CROSS ACCESS WAS GOING TO BE REQUIRED.
BUT ORIGINALLY THEY WERE ASKING FOR THIS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HAVE THAT AGREEMENT.
AND THEY STILL DON'T HAVE THE AGREEMENT.
SO IF THEY GOT THE AGREEMENT, WHY DO THEY NEED THIS? BECAUSE SEE WE'VE BEEN, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME, IS THAT, AND I'M GONNA, AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THEY NEED TWO ENTRANCES.
WE WE'RE SAYING THEY NEED TWO ENTRANCES.
WELL THEN DON'T, DON'T ALLOW THIS CUT HERE.
EVEN WITH THAT RE CREATING A PROBLEM, PEOPLE GONNA MAKE U-TURNS.
THEY'RE DOING THAT RIGHT NOW IN ON DIXIE DRIVE GOING, COMING, TRYING TO GO TO THE PHARMACY IN, IN KROGER AT THE ENTRANCE, AT THE UH, UH, WOOD SHORE
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ENTRANCE.AND WHAT THEY DO, INSTEAD OF, IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO MAKE THIS TURN.
SO THEY COME OUT FROM THIS LANE INSTEAD OF TURNING LANE, THEY TURN FROM THE OUTSIDE LANE AND MAKE A BIG U-TURN SO THEY CAN MAKE THEIR BIG TURN.
SO WHY ARE THEY GONNA, IF THEY HAVE THIS CROSS CUT, WHY WOULD THEY BE MAKING A U-TURN HERE? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, THIS WHOLE THING, THE WHOLE PROCESS, NOT ALLOWING ANOTHER OPENING.
WE SAID THE LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE SAID THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TWO OPENINGS.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THIS OPENING HERE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THE ACCESS THROUGH THE KROGER PARKING SPACE.
AND TO MAKE THIS, WE SAID THAT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS IS THAT WE WERE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE A DEC CELL AND THE ACCELERATION LANE.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CROSSCUT CUZ THE CROSSCUT, ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT THEY HAD WOULD REQUIRE PEOPLE TO MAKE U-TURNS.
THE CROSSCUT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANYBODY MAKE A U-TURN.
SO THERE SHOULD BE A SIGN OVER HERE THAT'S GONNA SAY NO U-TURN.
SO THEY'RE CAN COME ACROSS HERE AND THEN GO OUT AND THEY CAN EXIT THE PROPERTY OR THEN COME IN.
THE THING THAT I'M CONCERNED, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN ABOUT HERE IS SAL, IS IS THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN ACCELERATION AND THEN YOU'RE BUMPING THIS UP AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A TURN LANE RIGHT HERE.
IS, WOULD IT MAKE JUST SENSE JUST TO MAKE THIS A FULL LANE, MEAN IT WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE A FULL RIGHT TURN LANE.
SO YOU HAVE AN ACCELERATION AND, AND STUFF.
SO STACK GIVES THEM THE, IF IF THE TRAFFIC STACKS UP HERE OR WHATEVER, THERE'S A SPEEDER, THEY CAN, THEY HAVE SAFETY SITTING IN HERE UNTIL THEY CAN JUMP OUT OF THERE AND SO FORTH.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT'S ONE THING I WOULD THINK IS INSTEAD OF DOING THIS CURVE UP HERE, YOU JUST TAKE THIS AS A RIGHT HAND.
SO IT'S AN ACCELERATION LANE PLUS A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE AND THAT GETS PEOPLE OUT OF THE TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC FLOW QUICKER.
AND THAT WOULD EASE THINGS UP FOR IT.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CONCRETE.
DAY TO DAY I THINK IS MORE POSITIVE.
I I'M THE ONE WHO VOTED NO FOR THAT.
SO AT THAT TIME, OKAY, AND I'M JUST TRYING TO REITERATE MY POSITION ON THAT.
WHY I AVOIDED NO, IS WE STILL CREATING A PROBLEM THAT DOESN'T EXIST AND ARE WE CREATING A PROBLEM, A LONG TERM PROBLEM? AND I THINK WE SHOULD RECONSIDER THAT.
AND WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT WE ALLEVIATED THE LONG TERM PROBLEM BY PROVIDING THE CUT, WHICH WILL NOT REQUIRE ANYBODY TO DO A UE.
NOW THEY MAY CHOOSE TO DO A YOUI IF THEY WANT TO, BUT THERE'S NO REASON FOR 'EM TO DO IT BECAUSE WE ALLOWED THE CROSSCUT AND WE'RE ALLOWING THIS EXIT OUTTA OF THIS PROPERTY IF WE, IF, IF WE DID NOT ALLOW THIS EXIT OUTTA THIS PROPERTY, THEY'RE SAYING IS IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SELL AND DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY HERE WITH ONLY AN ENTRANCE OUTTA KROGER.
WELL WHAT WAS THE PLAN BEFORE THIS GOT CUT OUT OF THE OTHER PROPERTY? THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T SELLING THAT PROPERTY AT THE TIME WAS MINE ORIGINALLY.
THIS WAS GONNA, I DUNNO, WE'RE GOING WAY BACK IN HISTORY NOW, GOING WAY BACK ORIGINALLY THAT PARTICULAR TRACK.
WELL THEY, THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T NEED ANY OF THIS BEFORE.
RIGHT? ORIGINALLY IT WAS NOT GEARED OR IT WAS NOT PLANNED TO BE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
IT WAS GONNA BE PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS ALWAYS COMMERCIAL.
NO, BUT THEY LOST THE AGREEMENT.
UH, YEAH, THE VERY ORIGINAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN IS THE MASTER PLANS AND THAT HOLD IT UP THAT HAD THAT AREA AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
OH, IT'S WHENEVER THE, THE PIT OR PUT OR WHATEVER WAS SET UP FOR THAT AREA WAS THAT WAS GONNA BE KROGER'S OVER THERE.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL OVER HERE.
I JUST WANNA SAY FOR THE RECORD, I THINK THE WHOLE THING'S A BAD IDEA.
I THINK YOU GOT TOO MANY INTRICTS AND EXITS IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF ROAD AND NOBODY HAS EVER TALKED ABOUT THE TRAIN BACKING UP THERE, YOU KNOW, AND UM, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO TO NOT LEAVE CLTE IN A BIND.
I THINK IT'S, YOU GOT TOO MUCH GOING ON IN A SHORT SPIRIT PERIOD.
AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS ORIGINALLY GLUTE WAS HAPPY WITH THE CROSS AXIS AGREEMENT.
I SAID GOING, NOT GOING TO NEED THAT.
WELL I WASN'T HERE FOR ALL THAT.
I JUST WENT AND DROVE, DROVE THE ROAD AND LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S JUST WHAT'S WHAT.
YEAH, I MEAN I TEND TO AGREE RHONDA, IF YOU, IF YOU ZOOM OUT ONE CLICK FROM HERE, YOU'LL SEE LIKE A PROTECTED LIGHTED FOUR-WAY 10 FOOT DOWN THE ROAD, PERFECTLY DESIGNED TRAFFIC CONTROLLED DEVICE.
AND THEN WE'RE NOT EVEN LIKE HOW, HOW FAR FROM THIS TO HERE? 300 FEET? YEAH.
THEY PEOPLE SHOULD BE USING THIS RIGHT HERE.
WELL, YES, BUT THERE'S NO CONNECTION, THERE'S NO ACCESS TO THERE.
AND THAT'S, THAT WAS MAYBE THE, THE ORIGIN OF MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED TO DO THIS AND, AND WHY? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT WASN'T BECAUSE WE'VE DISCUSSED,
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DISCUSSED THIS ALL AND WE GOT TO THIS POINT.I'M SO CONFUSED ON Y'ALL VOTED ON THIS.
YEAH, WE SO WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THREE MEETINGS AGO? Y'ALL VOTED ON IT.
IF YOU DIDN'T WANT IT, DON'T VOTE FOR IT.
UNFORTUNATELY COUNSEL DID VOTE YES CONTINGENT ON THE TWO THINGS THAT SAL MENTIONED.
SO, AND THAT'S WHY THE DEVELOPERS ARE NOT HERE THEN WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW? THEY ARE JUST MAKING SURE THAT THIS PLAN IS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING OPTION ONE.
THAT OPTION A, THAT THEY, IT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO.
JUST TO MAKE SURE IT REFLECTED YOUR VIEWS WHEN YOU SAID YES AT THE LAST TWO MEETINGS AT I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
BUT MY THING, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS THEY DIDN'T NEED THIS BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE, WE'RE PAST THAT ALREADY.
WE ALREADY SAID I'M, YOU CAN CONTINUE, YOU CAN CONTINUE TO VOTE.
NO, I'M, WE'RE ALREADY PAST THIS ASKING.
I'M ANSWERING THE COUNCILMAN'S QUESTION.
HE'S ASKING WHAT HAS CHANGED AND I'M SAYING IS THAT CROSS AGREEMENT WAS NOT AVAILABLE.
THEY SAID THAT WE WOULD NOT GIVE THEM SO THEY NEEDED THIS ACCESS, BUT NOW WE MADE IT CONTINGENT ON THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
AND ALL I'M SAYING IS IF, IF WE, THEY'RE GONNA GET THE CROSS CUT CROSS AGREEMENT, THEY, THE REASON, THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY'RE GOING AFTER THE SECOND CUT, THEY, THEY, THEY HAD ALREADY CLUE, HAD ALREADY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE GOING TO PURSUE THE SECOND ENTRANCE BECAUSE OF SAFETY, SAFETY B GET FIRE EQUIPMENT IN AND OUT AND THAT THE SECOND ENTRANCE WOULD PROVIDE THAT.
THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PURSUING, PURSUING THAT.
BUT THEY STILL, THEY STILL NEED THIS ENTRANCE FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL FOR THEM.
IF THEY DON'T HAVE THIS, IT WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR THEM TO MARKET THAT PROPERTY.
SO APOLOGIES FOR ANY CONFUSION.
THIS IS FOR I GUESS THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED YES, IT DOES THIS MEET WHAT YOU WERE THINKING? CUZ WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION AND SO IT'S JUST ENSURING THAT THIS MEETS WHAT YOU WERE THINKING YES.
AND LET'S ADD WHAT THE MAYOR ADDED ABOUT FINISHING THAT LANE.
SO, CAUSE THEY ARE NOW AT THE STAGE WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GET COST ESTIMATES ON THIS.
SO THEY'RE JUST MAKING SURE BEFORE THEY GET THAT AND DON'T LET 'EM FORGET THE 50 TREES.
YEAH'S USING THAT CARROT, USING THAT CARROT.
SO AGAIN, JUST ADD THE, THE RIGHT HAND TURN LANE ALL THE WAY TO THE INTERSECTION.
[10. Fiscal year-end financial update – James Bryson]
SO THEN MOVE ON TO ITEM 10.UH, FISCAL YEAR END FINANCIAL UPDATE.
BOY, THIS IS JUST WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR.
OH, WE MAKE IT SPICE IT UP, JAMES.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THE END OF SEPTEMBER WAS THE FISCAL YEAR IN FOR THE CITY.
SO I WANTED TO PROVIDE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF WHERE WE ENDED THE YEAR.
THE FIRST PAGE IS THE INVESTMENT REPORT.
THIS IS REQUIRED BY THE PUBLIC FUND INVESTMENT ACT TO BE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL EVERY QUARTER.
THIS IS WHY YOU'RE A SNAPSHOT OF IT.
SEE WHERE YOUR CASH AND INVESTMENTS ARE.
UM, AND THEN I PROVIDED THE, UM, BALANCES.
YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE CASH IS WITHIN ALL THE D WITHIN THE CITY.
UM, WE FINISHED WITH CLOSE TO 70 MILLION CASH, 8 MILLION IN, IN THE OPERATING ACCOUNT.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING IN INVESTMENTS HOME FOR THE MOST PART, BEING IN THE POOL POOL.
AND MAJORITY OF THAT IS QUESTIONS ON OR OR THE CASH POSITION PFI REQUIREMENTS.
AND IS THIS INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PUT OUT, UH, ON SERVER AND STUFF OUT ON WEBSITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? YES SIR.
THE SALES TECH NUMBERS, THE CONFIDENTIAL PART'S BEEN TAKEN OUT OF IT.
BUT THE YEAH, THIS IS OF SOME INTEREST FOR SOME PEOPLE.
AND, AND AGAIN, THEY'RE NOTED STATEMENTS, RIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I'M NOT, THAT'S WHY I'M KINDA GIVING THEIR HEAD CREDITS THAT THE AUDITORS WILL COME IN, IN BECAUSE THERE'LL BE DIFFERENCES, RULES AND EVERYTHING.
ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO IS KINDA GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU FIT THE BUDGET.
SO YOUR REVENUES EXCEEDED YOUR BUDGETS, WHICH IS GREAT.
SO EVERYTHING IN HERE IS JUST FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.
UM, SAME THING WITH TO DO UTILITY FUNDS, YOU KNOW, CONSUMPTION WAS UP, REVENUES WERE UP.
UM, I PROVIDED YOU PRETTY MUCH JUST PAYROLL BECAUSE THAT'S THE LARGEST EXPENDITURE, THE TWO FUNDS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ANYTHING, I'LL TOUCH ON IT.
BUT OTHERWISE IT'S INFORMATION.
[02:35:01]
NO.WE CAN ADD THIS TO THE WEBSITE.
AND THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'RE GONNA GIVE US QUARTERLY? YES, SIR.
THAT'S WHAT THE CITY MANAGERS REQUESTED.
WE DID THIS A LONG TIME AGO AND THAT'S WHY YOU WANTED TO KIND OF GET BACK INTO IT.
AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE TEMPLATE THAT I USED WAS THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED.
BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU CAN PUT THAT IN THERE.
YOU WANT PRIOR YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THIS IS JUST THE FIRST TIME COMING TO COUNCIL WITH IT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE PAGES? WELL, I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION I WAS GONNA HAVE IS WHAT ABOUT THE WORK WE WERE DOING ON BONDS AND STUFF? THAT'S GONNA BE NEXT, NEXT, THAT NEXT ONE? YES, SIR.
I FIGURED BY SHOWING YOU WHERE THE BOND MONEY IS AND WITH THIS, THEN YOU GO THAT DISCUSSION, I WANNA OVERWHELM EVERYBODY TONIGHT.
WHAT HE'S GOT IS THERE'S A SPREADSHEET THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON TO GIVE YOU GUYS AN UPDATE TO SHOW YOU ON A QUARTERLY BASIS WHERE WE'RE AT ON EACH ONE OF OUR BONDS, WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT IF WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT ON CONTINGENCY PLANS AND CONTINGENCY FUNDS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD PIECE OF INFORMATION FOR Y'ALL TO HAVE REFERENCE TO.
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR YOU GET A QUESTION FROM A CITIZEN OF WHERE'S OUR BOND DOLLARS GOING? YES SIR.
THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE NEXT ONE.
YES, YOU ARE APPROVED RESOLUTION,
[11. Approve Resolution No. 907 adopting the city’s investment policy for FY 2022-2023- James Bryson]
UH, 9 0 7, ADOPTING THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY FOR 2022.THIS IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS APPROVING THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON'S INVESTMENT POLICY.
AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT BY STATE LAW.
THE COUNCIL NEEDS TO REVIEW THE ANNUAL, THE POLICY ANNUALLY.
UM, I HAD THREE SUGGESTIONS TO CHANGE WITHIN THE POLICY.
I HIGHLIGHTED THEM FOR YOUR REVIEW.
THE FIRST PAGE WAS THE GABY NO LONGER USES COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT.
IT'S CALLED THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT BECAUSE IT'S A SLUR IN SOUTH AFRICA.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FIX THAT ON THAT PAGE.
UM, AND IF YOU LOOKED AT YOUR INVESTMENT REPORT, YOU COULD SEE WE'RE KIND OF HEAVILY INVESTED IN POOLS.
SO THE PORTION WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT DIVERSIFICATION, WE NEEDED TO INCREASE THAT PERCENTAGE SO THAT WE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WHERE THEY'RE ON POLICY.
SO THAT'S WHY THAT WAS IN THERE.
AND THEN LASTLY, UNLESS YOU WANNA SEE THIS REPORT MONTHLY, I THOUGHT SHE, WHICH I, BY LAW IT'S QUARTERLY, SO IF YOU WANT IT IT MONTHLY, THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT SECTION AS WELL.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING IT TO YOU MONTHLY.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO SEE IT EACH MONTH.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, IF THERE'S ANY, ANY OBJECTION TO THE CHANGES AND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION, LIKE THAT'S KIND OF FOLLOWING UP, YOU SAID IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT A FINANCIAL TAB BY THEN, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.
AND AGAIN, I WAS FUDGING AROUND HERE, SO THIS, AGAIN, IT'S, UH, EXPLAINS WHERE OUR FUNDING IS AND, AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
I MEAN, WHERE OUR, THIS IS THE INVESTMENT POLICY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT THE OTHER DAY IS THAT WE HAVE SOME IN CDS AND WE HAVE SOME IN THE STATE STUFF, RIGHT? AND WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE 'EM IN CDS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO.
THEY WANT YOU TO BE DIVERSIFIED, BUT THERE'S NO REAL EXPECTATION AS TO HOW MUCH OF A PERCENTAGE YOU NEED IN ANY, ANY.
AND WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING TO, TO JAMES AND MODESTO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS IS THAT IN SOME OF THE GROUPS THAT I, ORGANIZATIONS THAT I'M INVOLVED WITH, THEY'VE RUN UP AGAINST THE SAME CHALLENGE.
AND THAT IS, IS THAT OVER THE HISTORY OF THE ORGANIZATION, THEY'VE DECIDED, THEY DECIDED IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO HAVE CDS AT LOCAL BANKS MM-HMM.
AND THAT WAS GREAT WHEN EVERY CDS WERE PAYING STUFF.
BUT RIGHT NOW CDS ARE PAYING NOTHING AND THERE'S BETTER PLACES TO GO INVEST THE DOLLARS.
AND SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, MY CHALLENGE BACK TO, TO JAMES, I THINK OUR CHALLENGE SHOULD BE ALWAYS IS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BEST WAYS TO INVEST OUR TAX DOLLARS.
AND IF WE WERE GONNA GO TO, SAY TO AGENCIES OR SOMETHING, THEN WE'D HAVE TO HIRE BROKERS.
SO THEN YOU'RE PAYING BROKER FEES, RIGHT? SO IT JUST KIND OF, IT'S EASIER TO KEEP THE MONEY IN THE POOLS.
AND THAT'S WHY, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT INVESTORS THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE IN THE, IN THE POSITION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JAMES ON THIS? I THINK IT'S ALL GREAT STUFF.
SORRY YOU HAD TO BEAT THE END OF THE MEETING.
[12. Construction Updates]
ON TO CONSTRUCTION ITEMS. UH, WE HEAD TO UPDATES IN OUR PACKETS, SAL'S HERE IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY, ANY OF THIS STUFF.AND THE ONLY THING I HAVE, WE DO HAVE OUR NEXT DOWNTOWN MEETING ON THURSDAY AT 2:00 PM IF YOU WANT TO COME, IT'S IN THIS ROOM.
I JUST GOT, UH, CORRECTED BY TWO MEMBERS.
OH, IS WE HAVE I NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND
[02:40:01]
ON THE RESOLUTION, MAYOR.I'LL MAKE A MO MOTION TO APPROVE.
APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 9 0 7, ADOPTING THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2022.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
NOW WE'RE ALL LEGAL AND STRAIGHT.
SO NOW CONSTRUCTION AND YOU WERE, YES.
SO WE HAVE OUR NEXT DOWNTOWN MEETING, UH, THURSDAY AT 2:00 PM IT'S JUST OUR FOUR WEEK UPDATE, UM, THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY.
WE WILL BE OPENING, UM, BIDS AT THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER.
SO YOU'LL START SEEING MORE ON THAT NEXT MEETING.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL, HE'S VERY HAPPY IN THE BACK RIGHT NOW TO TALK BACK KICKBACK.
UH, ROBIN, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON? NOPE.
THE, UH, NEW RECREATION, THE GYM LIGHTS LOOK GREAT.
THANK, SO I THINK, I THINK WE SHOULD BEGIN SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK ON THAT.
AND WE WENT WITH SOME ROBUST FIXTURES BECAUSE, UH, I'LL, I'LL PROVIDE SOME POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM A PARENT OF A VOLLEYBALL KID THAT THEY'RE VERY BRIGHT AND MUCH BETTER THAN WERE LAST WEEK.
[VISITORS COMMENTS]
TO, UH, VISITORS COMMENTS.UH, JB YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, NOT VISITORS COMMENTS.
YOU WANT VISITOR COMMENTS? SO WE DO HAVE, IT'S DO WE HAVE IT IN HERE? SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD.
JUSTIN PULLUM, 89 19 J PONN AND ROSENBERG, OUTSIDE OF ROSENBERG.
I HAVE A FEW ITEMS ARE A ITEM, UH, THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.
IS THAT, UH, APPROPRIATE? YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE LAKE JACKSON POLICE DEPARTMENT ADMINISTRATION AND RECORDS DEPARTMENT.
TWO WEEKS AGO, I REQUESTED PUBLIC INFORMATION SPECIFICALLY, UH, PHONE CALL RECORDING.
SO WHEN YOU CALL, UH, THE POLICE, THOSE ARE PUBLIC, UH, RECORDS THAT ANYONE CAN, YOU KNOW, HEAR WHAT ARE PEOPLE SAYING TO THE POLICE.
AND THESE WERE ACTUALLY INTERESTING.
THEY WERE BETWEEN THE LAKE JACKSON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE CLO POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, AND I REQUESTED THOSE AND RECEIVED THOSE, UH, ONLINE VERY EASILY, UH, WITHIN THREE DAYS OF THE REQUEST.
AND THEY EVEN SAID, LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLENT CUSTOMER SERVICE.
UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE LAKE JACKSON PATROL DEPARTMENT.
UH, BASICALLY CLTE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRIED TO DUMP A CONTEMPT OF COP SITUATION ON THE CITY, UH, TO KEEP PEOP AN INDIVIDUAL IN A CAGE FOR LONGER.
UH, HE WAS ARRESTED IN HIS BEDROOM BECAUSE SOMEONE CALLED THE POLICE ON A CIVIL MATTER.
CLTE DETERMINED THAT HE HAD AN UNPAID EXPIRED LICENSE TICKET.
SOLUTE POLICE CAME AND ARRESTED HIM IN HIS BEDROOM.
UH, AFTER HE BONDED OUT AT CLETE, THEY DROPPED HIM OFF OVER HERE WHERE THEY FIGURED HE WOULD HAVE TO STAY FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UH, LAKE JACKSON PATROL VERY SWIFTLY BROUGHT THE MUNICIPAL JUDGE UP HERE TO GET HIM ON A PAYMENT PLAN AND BACK OUT SO HE COULD TAKE CARE OF HIS FAMILY.
I THINK THEY'RE ACTUALLY MOVING THAT WEEKEND.
SO IT WAS GREAT THAT LAKE JACKSON DID THAT, UH, TO NOT CONTINUE THE INSULT, UH, THAT THIS MAN WAS FACING.
SO, UH, THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION OVER THERE.
UH, THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT OVER THERE DID A GREAT JOB.
AND I'M ALSO PATROL, AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME, UH, TONIGHT, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
COMMUNITY INTEREST, SIR MATT, I ALREADY SAID MANDA ROBIN.BENNE, THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT OUR PD DEPARTMENT.
I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE ONE OF THE BEST IN THE AREA.
UH, SO I ASKED FOR FIVE TO BE REMOVED JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GAVE THE CITIZENS PLENTY OF TIME FOR THEIR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION ON.
I WALKED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY FOR FOUR HOURS KNOCKING ON DOORS AND I PRINTED OUT A LETTER.
SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THAT TO HAND OUT OR, UM, JUST TO TRY AND GET FEEDBACK BEFORE THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING.
UM, SO WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
YEAH, YOU CAN GIVE IT TO, UH, SAL AND CAN GET IT TO US.
UH, ONLY THING I SAID, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS JUST, UH, AGAIN, I MENTIONED EVERYBODY WE HAVE NEWS STREAMING IS UP AND RUNNING AND SAW YOU CORRECT ME ON THIS.
WERE ASKING SHE HAVE A PROBLEM, HUH? COMMENT.
OH, IS IT, WHAT'S, IS IT ON AN AGENDA ITEM OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT IT'S NOT AN AGENDA.
SO, NO, I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCEDURE.
UM, PRESIDENT OF BRASS SUPPORT AREA, ALUMNI CHAPTER.
AND THIS IS DOROTHY THOMAS WHO'S WITH ME.
AND, UH, WE JUST WANTED TO COME IN TONIGHT AND JUST SIT AND LISTEN TO THE COUNCIL.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE PROPER PROCEDURE OF WHETHER I COULD SPEAK NOW OR WHAT.
[02:45:01]
ACTUALLY VISITOR COMMENTS.YOU COULD HAVE SPOKE AT THE FIRST OF THE MEETING.
OR NOW WE'VE ADDED AT THE END ALSO.
BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
THIS WAS AN EX STUDENT OF MINE, KA, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THEN IT'S, WE ARE DOING THE NEW STREAMING TODAY AND, UH, THE REALLY THE REAL VALUE OF THE NEWS STREAMING IS, IS THAT IT WILL BE INDEXED.
AND SO IF THERE'S JUST A SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT YOU WANNA GO TO, YOU JUST CLICK ON THAT SECTION.
IT'LL TAKE YOU TWO IN THE VIDEO.
AND WE WILL ALSO, THERE WILL BE, UH, UH, THE SCRIPT, RIGHT? TEXT, UH, YES.
UM, HOW QUICK IS ALL THAT AVAILABLE? UH, THE INDEXING SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 24 HOURS.
IT GIVE, GIVE THEM ABOUT A DAY TO GET ALL THAT, UH, SITUATED ON OUR, ON OUR WEBSITE.
AND THEN ALL THE, BUT THERE'LL BE A WRITTEN VERSION OF THE, UH, I WILL VERIFY THAT I, YES.
BUT 'EM KNOW, BUT THERE'S A TRANSCRIPT.
SO HOW QUICK DOES THE TRANSCRIPT HAPPEN? THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT, YEAH.
I TALKED TO THEM TODAY AND THEY SAID IT'S ABOUT 24 HOURS FOR THEM TO WORK ALL THE, YOU KNOW, WORK IT.
AND IT'S STILL AVAILABLE VIA THE, THE CITY WEBSITE? YES.
AND WE HAVE A YOUTUBE PAGE AS WELL.
IT'S NOT ON YOUTUBE NOW, ON THE WEBSITE TONIGHT.
LIKE JACKSON CITY WEBSITE UNDER COUNCIL STUFF.
BUT ANYWAY, WHAT WE CAN DO IS NEXT MEETING, JUST GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW WHAT THE, WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT TO BE SEEN.