* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. SOMEWHERE [00:00:01] ELSE. IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S FOUR O'CLOCK EVERYWHERE. RIGHT HERE. WATCH. [1. PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE] RIGHT. IT'S SIX 30. HARRY, CAN YOU LEAVE US IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE? I PLEDGE ALLEG TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TWO, THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IS SAYS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY. JUSTICE. THANK YOU, HARRY. HEY, I LEARNED POTENTIAL. ALL RIGHT. WELCOME EVERYBODY. UH, [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? ARE WE GOOD? DID MAKE ANY ISSUES WITH MINUTES? NOPE. MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN. ALL RIGHT. VISITORS CALL WITH SOMEBODY'S GOT ANYTHING TO TALK TO THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. YOU CAN GET UP AND TALK NOW, BUT ANYBODY THAT COMES UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD CAUSE IT'S ALL BEEN RECORDED [4. DISCUSS AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO REQUEST FROM MR. GUS OROS TO REASSESS CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A REMAINING INFILL 4 + ACRE TRACT GAP OF CHESTNUT STREET AT NORTH DIXIE DRIVE BETWEEN PALM LANE AND CENTER WAY] AND ALL THAT STUFF. UH, FIRST I'M DISCUSSING PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO REQUEST FROM MR. GUS CROSS TO REASSESS CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A REMAINING INFILL FOUR PLUS ACRE TRACK GAP OF CHESTNUT STREET AT NORTH DIXIE DRIVE BETWEEN PALM LANE AND CENTER WAY. THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME, FIRST OF ALL. UM, SO MY NAME IS GU SOROS AND I AM CURRENTLY INTERESTED IN A VACANT PROPERTY, UH, AS JUST STATED, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A HYPERLINK HERE. IT LOOKS LIKE A VACANT PROPERTY EXHIBIT, IF THAT CAN BE PULLED UP TO KIND OF EXPLAIN THE PROPERTY, UH, THAT WE'RE, I AM DISCUSSING HERE, JUST THE LANES. SO, UH, THIS PROPERTY RIGHT HERE IS THE PROPERTY THAT I AM INTERESTED IN PURCHASING AND DEVELOPING FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. UH, THIS IS DIXIE DRIVE, NORTH DIXIE DRIVE, AND JUST AS A LANDMARK, THIS IS THE NEW KROGER SHOPPING CENTER. UH, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LITTLE OVER OR FOR SALE FOR A LITTLE OVER FOUR YEARS NOW, UH, ON THE MARKET, HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL, UH, INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS. UH, I AM NOT A DEVELOPER PER SE. UH, I AM ACTUALLY A INDIVIDUAL LOOKING TO MAKE THIS A RESIDENCE, A SINGLE RESIDENCE, UH, PROPERTY FOR A SINGLE HOME. SO I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE REAL QUICK TO KIND OF EXPLAIN WHAT I AM LOOKING AT. OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS FOR SOME TIME NOW AND I'VE READ ALREADY HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH, UH, A FEW OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THIS, IN THIS ROOM, KIND OF TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS OF THIS PROPERTY, AS WELL AS SOME OF THE, UH, SOME OF THE HURDLES THAT MAY HAVE TO BE CROSSED. UH, ONE OF THOSE BEING, UH, I GUESS A FLOOD POTENTIAL IN THAT PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, A STREET WHICH IS CHESTNUT THAT SHOULD RUN THROUGH THAT ONCE THAT PROPERTY'S DEVELOPED. SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE THE FIRST PAGE JUST GIVING YOU A LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF THAT PROPERTY PER THE B COUNTY, UH, APPRAISAL DISTRICT. SO THAT'S THE ACTUAL PROPERTY DESCRIPTION THERE. AND IF YOU WANNA GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS PLANNING FOR TOMORROW FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY. UH, WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT DOING ANYTHING WITH THIS PROPERTY, SAY WITHIN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, BUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DEVELOPING AND MAKING THAT A RESIDENCE FOR US. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WHAT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE, UH, THIS IS A, A DEPICTION OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LAYOUT LOOKS LIKE, THE FOOTPRINT. IT ALSO ENCOMPASSES A LITTLE SECTION HERE, WHICH KIND OF THROWS IT OFF FROM BEING A PERFECT RECTANGLE. BUT, UH, THAT IS, THE APPROXIMATE ACRES IS ABOUT 4.6 ACRES, ROUGHLY AROUND THERE. AND NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST A SATELLITE VIEW. UH, LOOKING, THIS IS DIXIE RIGHT HERE AND THE KROGER SHOPPING CENTER. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE WITH THE CURRENT LIGHTING, HOWEVER, THIS IS, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, PROPOSED, UM, I GUESS THE OUTLINES OF WHAT I WOULD WANT THIS PROPERTY TO LOOK LIKE. OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS NOT TO SCALE AT ANY MEANS BECAUSE, UH, I DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AT THIS TIME. BUT, UH, WE HAVE THE FIRST PROPOSAL WITH THE DRIVEWAY HERE. AND THEN THIS IS THE, BASICALLY THIS SQUARE HERE IS THE HOUSE WHERE THE HOUSE WOULD SIT ROUGHLY, AND THEN A DETACHED GARAGE. WHAT YOU SEE HERE WILL BE A CONCRETE DRIVE OF SOME SORT OR PAPER DRIVE. AND THEN THIS WILL JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF A DRIVE WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY PULL INTO THE GARAGE THROUGH THE REAR VERSUS THE FRONT. UH, THIS IS JUST KIND OF SMALL DEPICTION OF A SWIMMING POOL AREA. AND THEN BACK HERE WAS WHERE WE WERE GONNA HANDLE, UH, [00:05:01] SOME OF THE, UH, DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WE HAD CONCERNS WITH, WITH, UH, WITH, UH, UM, DETENTION. RETENTION, NOT DETENTION POND. YEAH, DETENTION POND. I WAS GONNA SAY RETENTION, BUT IT WAS DETENTION POND. RIGHT, RIGHT AROUND HERE. OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD HAVE, UH, THE PROPER ENGINEERS IN PLACE, UH, GET, GET THEM TO WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEERS AND COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT WITH TO ENSURE A SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, UH, ELIMINATING FURTHER FLOODING CONCERN OF THIS PROPERTY. CURRENTLY, FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, THE MAJORITY OF THE FLOODING IS IN THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY, SO THAT MAKES MOST SENSE TO KIND OF MAKE THAT THE ACTUAL AREA FOR THE DETENTION POND. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO HERE I JUST KIND OF LISTED A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL ADDRESSES HERE. NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT, THAT SHARE, I GUESS, OR UTILIZE CURRENTLY DIXIE DRIVE FOR, FOR ACCESS. THIS IS JUST QUICK REFERENCE, ONE OF THEM JUST BEING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY, UH, THAT ACTUALLY HAS TWO INTERESTES, ONE OFF OF CHESTNUT AND ALSO ONE OFF OF DIXIE. THIS ONE IS, UH, ANOTHER ADDRESS FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN AS WELL AS THE LAST ONE. NEXT SLIDE. SO THIS IS THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR, UH, NEIGHBOR, THAT PROPERTY WHERE I, I AM INTERESTED IN, AND THIS IS JUST THEIR ENTRANCE HERE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS ANOTHER PROPERTY, UH, WITHIN A COUPLE OF BLOCKS DOWN THE ROAD. YOU CAN SEE THEY HAVE SEVERAL ENTRANCES OFF OF DIXIE. OBVIOUSLY, I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE ONE ENTRANCE AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THIS IS, UH, PROPERTY THAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN, UH, THE, THEY'VE BEEN THE DEMOLISHED. YEAH, SO THEY, THEY HAD AN EXISTING DRIVE, BUT IT'S BEEN DEMOLISHED AS OF RIGHT NOW. UM, NOT SURE WHAT THE FUTURE INTENTIONS ARE OF THIS PROPERTY, BUT THEY WERE UTILIZING DIXIE AS A, UH, ENTRANCE MEANS OF ENTRANCE AND EXIT. UH, NEXT SLIDE. SO AS A LAST RESORT, IF THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, WE ALSO CONSIDERED UTILIZING CHESTNUT AS A MEANS OF ENTRANCE AND EXIT, UH, ELIMINATING THIS PATH TO BE TAKEN. UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAD WAS THIS, THIS, OBVIOUSLY THIS STREET RUNS OR SORT OF SUPPOSED TO RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH IF IT'S BEING DEVELOPED. AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN QUESTIONS IS, UH, IS THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON GONNA REQUIRE THE FUTURE DEVELOPER TO CONTINUE THIS STREET THROUGH? UH, AND IF SO, THAT WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT I MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PURCHASE OF THAT PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS, JOHN? UH, UH, DID YOU CONSIDER IT ALL THE, THE CARNATION ROUTE OUT THE BACK END? I KNOW THAT'S WHERE YOU SAID IT FLOODS A LOT. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. YES. BUT WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION? IF I CONSIDERED THE CHLORINATION, IF YOU CON, IF YOU CONSIDERED CARNATION STREET, OH, CARNATION STREET AS, AS YOUR, UM, ENTRY EXIT TO YOUR PROPERTY, HAVE NOT, HAVE NOT, UH, HAVE NOT CONSIDERED THAT AS ENTRY AND EXIT, UH, IS THERE A CONCERN WITH DIXIE DRIVE? I BELIEVE ALL THOSE DRIVEWAYS WERE EXISTING BEFORE DIXIE HAD THE EXPANSION, SO IT'S BEEN KIND OF A OKAY, NO, GO OUTSIDE OF THAT. OKAY. SO THE FUTURE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS, BUT THAT'S UP TO THESE BOYS. BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE, WOULD BE YOUR POTENTIAL PUSHBACK WOULD BE ALL THOSE GUYS ALREADY PREEXISTING BEFORE THAT EVER WENT TO A FOUR LANE SET. BUT SO THAT, WOULD THAT BE A POSSIBILITY? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S JUST THAT IF THAT, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND, AND WE SEE THIS AS A OPPORTUNITY TO OBVIOUSLY MAKE THIS A A, AN AREA TO ENHANCE THE CITY. WE WANNA MAINTAIN AS MUCH, UH, TREES AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHAT, WHAT, THAT'S THE REASON WE LOVE THE PROPERTY . UM, SO WE WOULD WORK AROUND TREES, WE WOULD WORK AROUND THOSE MATURE TREES, BASICALLY WE WOULD BE GETTING RID OF UNDERBRUSH. UM, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO, UH, THE ONLY POSSIBILITY MAYBE WOULD BE CHESTNUT IF, IF THAT IS AN OPTION. UM, BUT IDEALLY DIXIE WOULD BE THE IDEAL. BUT IF, IF THAT'S JUST THE NO-GO DUE TO CURRENT LOGISTICS, THEN HOW THINGS ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING, I UNDERSTAND THAT AS WELL. I WOULD THINK CHESTNUT WOULD BE BETTER FOR YOU CUZ YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PEOPLE JUST INADVERTENTLY TURNING IN AND THINKING THIS JUST ANOTHER, THE STREET. SO THAT TELLS YOU, I KNOW YOUR FUTURE NEIGHBORS REALLY WELL, AND THAT'S THEIR BIGGEST, BIGGEST ISSUE IS PEOPLE ALWAYS TRYING TO USE THEIR DRIVEWAY AS A TURNAROUND. OH, REALLY? I KNOW THAT FAMILY PERSONALLY OKAY. PLAYED THE PLAY THE CHESTNUT. THE CHESTNUT ONE RIGHT HERE? NO, DIXIE D UH OH, THAT'S RIGHT HERE. NOT THE MARTIN'S. YEAH. OH, OKAY. THEY, THAT'S A COMMON DAILY MULTIPLE EVERY DAY TURNAROUND THEIR DRIVEWAY KIND OF THING. SO [00:10:01] I'M KIND OF SURPRISED THAT YOU, YOUR DESIRE IS TO GO TO DIXIE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'M NOT JUST GONNA, SO I WANT TO ACTUALLY INSTALL FENCING AROUND THE PROPERTY, UH, PRIVACY AND NOT PRIVACY FENCING, BUT ROD ARM FENCING, UH, WITH THE STONE WALL AT THE BASE, MAKE IT MORE OF A STATE LOOK. AND IT, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL HAVE, UH, I THINK WE SPOKE WITH THE FIRE CHIEF ABOUT ACCESS AND WHATNOT. SO WE'D MAKE THE, THE ROADWAY A MINIMUM OF 26 FOOT WIDE FOR A FIRE TRUCK, UM, ACCESS AS WELL AS, UH, WE WOULD SET IT UP FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GAIN ACCESS TO THAT, TO THAT, THAT THAT GATED, UH, COMMUNITY. OKAY. RESIDENTS. I DON'T THINK YOU'D HAVE TO CONCERN IF YOU BUY THE WHOLE THING, DEVELOPERS WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORK ON. SO I I THINK YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH, UH, THE CITY AND NEEDING CHESTNUT TO GO THROUGH. I MEAN, WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT BEFORE. RIGHT. AND, AND THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION THAT CAME UP. YOU KNOW, I GUESS FOR FUTURE, ACTUALLY, DEVELOPERS WANTED TO BUILD THIS OUT FOR, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE, FOR MULTIPLE HOUSING. UH, AND, AND THAT MAKES SENSE, BUT IF CHEST NETWORK WAS TO RUN ALL THE WAY THROUGH, THAT WOULD MEAN THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. YEAH, NO, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE LOGICAL SENSE. YEAH, NO, THEY WOULD, I MEAN, I WONDER IF TO BUILD WHAT YOU WANT, IT WOULD NEED TO BE CHANGED TO THE ESTATE ZONING AS OPPOSED TO R ONE, R TWO, OR NOT NECESSARILY NO. RIGHT. DEFENSE AND SUCH, YOU COULD DO THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. AND, AND I LOOKED AT THE, I GUESS THE CURTAIN ZONING AND BASED ON WHAT I UNDERSTAND, I I THINK IT'S ANYTHING 2,500 SQUARE FOOT OR GREATER, RIGHT. JUST CAN'T EXCEED TWO, TWO STORIES. UH, CORRECT, CORRECT. CERTAIN HEIGHT. CERTAIN HEIGHT, YEAH. CERTAIN HEIGHT. HEIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT HEIGHT IS BY CHANCE? IT'S 35 FEET, I BELIEVE. YEAH. OKAY. PEAK FROM OKAY, PEAK FROM GRADE. YEP. FROM PEAK, YEAH, FROM GRADE. FROM GRADE TO, TO PEAK. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. YEAH. THAT, THAT'S AN R TWO ZONE LAW, UH, AREA RIGHT NOW. SO I SAW THAT. YEAH. IT FITS A SINGLE FAMILY AT HOME, HAVING THOSE RESEARCHES FIT THERE, YOU'D HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE TO RAISE RABBITS, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T DO THAT . RIGHT, RIGHT. AND, UH, JUST TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT WITH YOU, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT GOING MORE OF A, ALMOST A SEMI FLAT ROOF, UH, METAL ROOF. UH, ONE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND HURRICANE WINDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I'VE KIND OF DONE SOME RESEARCH, UH, LOOKING AT CENTER BLOCK, UH, BELT, EXTERIOR WALLS, FIELD, UH, WITH CONCRETE. UM, SO ANY CONCERN WITH THAT, THAT'S WHO MY HOUSE IS. IF ITAR TOO, INTERESTING ENOUGH, YOU, YOU'RE PRESERVING ALL THE TREES AND WE DON'T PROTECT THE RESIDENTIAL TREES. SO WELL THAT THEY, THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THAT'S PROPERTY'S APPEALING BECAUSE OF ALL THE TREES AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE MATURE TREES, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM. . SO, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD TRY TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND WORK AROUND, AGAIN, THIS, THIS MOCK UP HERE IS JUST A, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S THERE. THE FIRST THING WE WOULD DO IS CLEAR ALL THE UNDERBRUSH AND THEN SEE WHAT IT DOES OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, SEE WHERE THE FLOODINGS AT, THINGS LIKE THAT. WOULD A DETENTION POND REALLY BE REQUIRED JUST FOR THE FOOTPRINT OF AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE TO CARPET? IF THE SERGEANT, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. TYPICAL IN A RESIDENTIAL FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL IN PARTICULAR, UH, WE DON'T NORMALLY REQUIRE DETENTION. UM, AND BEING THAT IT'S NOT IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AND IT'S IN THE INFIELD, HOWEVER, WERE, BECAUSE AS IT HAD ALLUDED TO FROM THE DRAINAGE STUDY THAT WE DID, UH, WE HAVE A SITUATION OF LOCAL FLOODING SITUATION AND HENCE THAT KIND OF DRIVING THIS NEED FOR A DETENTION. AND NOW THE NEXT QUESTION IS TO WHAT STORM EVENT THAT HE WILL NEED TO DESIGN TO. RIGHT. AND UM, RIGHT NOW, THE FIRST THING COMES TO MY MIND WOULD BE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE A RESIDENTIAL THAT, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH HE CLEARS THE LAND, IF HE DOESN'T DO A LOT OF CLEARING AND CHANGE THE NATURE OF THE SOIL, UH, A 10 YEAR EVENT WOULD BE AN OLD FITTING FOR RESIDENTIAL SITUATION. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT WILL NEED, IS IT DRAINING TO THE DITCH OVER TO THE LEFT RIGHT HERE AND THEN TOWARDS THE, TOWARDS THE RIGHT. YEAH. SO, UM, THE, THE, THIS WHOLE AREA HERE DRAINING TOWARDS HERE ALL THE WAY FROM THE SCHOOL, ALL THAT DRAINAGE HERE IS COMING HERE. AND THIS LINE ITSELF, PRETTY MUCH ABOUT HALFWAY POINT HERE DRAINS AND PRETTY MUCH THERE'S A NATURAL DETENTION IN THE BACK OF THIS PROPERTY WHERE IT CATCHES WATER. IN ADDITION TO THAT, A LOT OF THE DRAINAGE [00:15:01] ISSUES COMING HERE IS ALSO USING THAT AIR AS A DETENTION, MEANING THAT IF YOU WERE TO CLOSE THAT EAR OUT AND PROBLEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH ALL THIS AIR UPSTREAM FROM AP BOIL, UM, WILL HAVE EVEN MORE OF A GREATER IMPACT. YOU KNOW, AND THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WHICH IS FROM THE STUDY WE HAVE, WE HAVE, UH, SOLUTION TO, TO, TO ADDRESS THE TENURE. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE A WHILE BEFORE ALL THAT SOLUTION COMES INTO LEAGUE. THE R TWO WOULDN'T PRECLUDE HIM PUTTING A FENCE ACROSS THE END OF, UH, UH, CARNATION ACROSS THE DITCH. NO. WELL, I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT DRAINAGE, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE OUTLINE IMPACTING THE RESIDENTS THERE. UH, YOU CAN PUT IN A FENCE LINE, BUT THIS IS SORT OF A NOVEL SETUP, SO THERE'S NOT A CONNECTION BETWEEN, UH, BETWEEN, UH, CARNATION AND I'M NOT LOOKING AT CONNECTION. I'M LOOKING AT A ALONG HERE. UH, NO, THE OTHER SIDE. NO, RIGHT THERE. RIGHT HERE. RIGHT. IS THERE ANY PROBLEM WITH HIM PUTTING A, LIKE YOU SAID, A STONE FENCE ACROSS THERE? I MEAN BY STONE FENCE? THOSE ARE STONE PILLARS ALONG WITH A, AN OPEN, UH, IT HAS TO BE OPEN, RIGHT? THERE'S ROD, IRON AND WHATNOT. YEAH. RIGHT. IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTED TO DO, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT WAS STOPPING FROM DOING THAT. OKAY. BUT THAT WOULD BE A STONE PILLAR ONLY COULDN'T BE A STONE BORDER LINE. NO. YEAH. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT, AGAIN, THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DESIGNED SO THAT THERE'S NO ADVERSE IMPACT FROM THE DRAINAGE, AS I SAID BEFORE, CURRENTLY DRAINAGE IS GOING INTO HIS PROPERTY UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. RIGHT. SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AND ALSO ABLE TO RELEASE THAT ATTENTION INTO THE DITCH THAT IS BETWEEN RIGHT. UM, THAT BY CARNATION, BUT THAT COULD BE UNDERGROUND IF THE AESTHETICS OF THAT IS CORRECT. SO WHATEVER IT TAKES, UM, OKAY. THE HYDRAULICS WILL DICTATE WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE COST WILL DICTATE THAT. OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF, WELL, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUYING ALL THAT, RIGHT, YEAH. ESPECIALLY IN TODAY'S, UH, YES. YEAH. IN TODAY'S MARKET MM-HMM. , IT'S AN INTERESTING THOUGHT. VERY NOVEL. SO LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. I KNOW THE, THE COMMENT CAME UP ABOUT SURROUNDING AREAS JUST GRADUALLY DRAINING INTO THAT PROPERTY. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RESTRICT THAT DRAINAGE INTO MY PROPERTY FROM SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. CORRECT. SO I WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY ENGINEER MY PROPERTY TO SUSTAIN THE DRAINAGE OF OTHERS TO IMPROVE THEIR DRAINS. WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, PART OF BEING PART OF THE DOWN, DOWN FLOW, UH, OF OUR DESIGN HERE, EVERYBODY TAKES IT UPON THEMSELVES. IF YOU DAMNED UP YOUR PROPERTY, THE PEOPLE THAT WAY OF YOU WOULD FLOOD. AND SO YOU'D HAVE A WHAT A ANGRY NEIGHBORS, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. SO, NO, I'M JUST, YEAH, I'M JUST, I I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE, I GUESS THE, THE SITUATION. THE, YEAH. THE SITUATION. AND IF I'M GONNA BE DESIGNING MY PROPERTY TO ACCOMMODATE THE, THE DRAINAGE OF OTHERS, THAT'S WHY IF THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPER COMES THROUGH HERE, WE HAVE, WE, HE DOES ALL OF THAT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DEALS COMING AS A PRO SINGLE PROPERTY PURCHASER, NOT WANTING TO DEVELOP IT, THAT'S TECHNICALLY ON THAT INDIVIDUAL DOING IT. SO IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN HERE, WANTED TO PUT SIX HOUSES IN, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR GUIDELINES FOR DRAINAGE AND SEWAGE, EVERYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SAME AS IF ONE PERSON WANTS TO BUILD ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, A HUNDRED ACRES, A QUARTER ACRE, FOUR ACRES IN BETWEEN, THEY HAVE TO MEET THE, THE DRAINAGE GUIDELINES THAT ARE SET FORTH FROM PREVIOUS EVENTS, FROM PREVIOUS CALCULATIONS. RIGHT. SO, I MEAN, BEING JUST YOU OR BEING SIX PEOPLE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS EITHER WAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL THING. IT'S THE LANDOWNERS AND OR DEVELOPER WOULD BE IT A CASTLE ROCK HOMES OR SINGLE MAN, RIGHT? YEAH. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S TURNED SO MANY OF THOSE GUYS AWAY IS CAUSE OF THIS PARTICULAR THING. IT'S A SMALL, IT'S A SMALL PIECE FOR THEM TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF. AS A SINGLE PERSON, YOU'RE MORE INCLINED TO, CAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT INSIDE THE MIDDLE OF LAKE JACKSON. RIGHT. I I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF A, OF A FUTURE RESIDENT HAVING TO SUPPORT THE DRAINAGE OF WHAT THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON SHOULD HAVE IN PLACE. WELL, LET ME ANSWER IT THIS WAY, THAT IT'S NOT REALLY JUST FOR YOU. IT'S A RARE WRITTEN ORDINANCE THAT YOU CAN'T GO IN ANY OF YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY AND DO SOMETHING THAT WILL DISRUPT IN THAT DRAINAGE OF ADJACENT FROM OKAY. RIGHT. SO JUST SO HOP YOU BY NATURE, YOU KINDA HAVE A DETENTION IN EUROPE. RIGHT. BUT I [00:20:01] CAN'T IMAGINE ANY KIND OF DETENTION THAT HE WOULD BUILD WOULD BE DETRI TO THAT AREA. IT SEEMED LIKE IT WOULD IMPROVE IF NOTHING ELSE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T, I THINK YOU'D HAVE, WHATEVER YOU WOULD DO WOULD PROBABLY HELP YOUR NEIGHBORS AND RIGHT. MAKE YOU GOOD NEIGHBORS. I'LL BE HAPPY. YEAH. . RIGHT. THAT'S WHY ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN THAT YOU REFERENCED EARLIER, THEY HAD TO OVER DIG THAT POND FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT REASON, OTHERWISE THEY WOULD'VE NEVER HAD MAMMOTH LAKE. RIGHT. SO MY, MY IDEA IS TO GRADE, OBVIOUSLY FROM THE RESIDENTS BACK INTO THAT DETENTION AND THEN I GUESS AT THAT POINT, EVERYTHING AROUND THAT AREA WOULD DRAIN TO THAT DIRECTION. SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO RUN THE CALCULATIONS, WORK WITH THE DESIGNERS AND CIVIL ENGINEERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO TO SEE HOW, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, QUANTITY WE NEED TO LOOK AT DETAINING SAL. IF, IF WE GO WITH ACCESS ON FROM CHESTNUT, I THINK DIXIE'S A NO NO GO. RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT ACCESS FROM CHESTNUT AND HE REPATS IT. IS THAT PRETTY MUCH, WHAT ELSE DOES HE NEED TO DO? THAT'S ALL. HE'S ALL, I MEAN, HE, HE NEEDS TO NOW COME TO, UH, TO US WITH HIS DRAIN PLAN THAT WOULD BE SCRUTINIZED BY MR. SANCHEZ. IS THERE, AS FAR AS MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS THAT HE HAS ON DETENTION AND UH, AND ALSO THE IMPEDIMENT OF ANY FLOWS THROUGH THAT PROPERTY. UH, BASICALLY THAT WHAT IT AMOUNTS TO THE GRADING PLAN THAT HE'S PROPOSING TO DO THERE WOULD ALSO COME INTO AS PART OF THE DRAINAGE, UH, PLAN THAT HE WOULD PRESENT. UH, AND FROM THERE ON, REALLY, THERE'S ONE MORE ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ALSO, UH, DISCUSSED HERE. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS IN THERE IS THE FACT THAT HE, YOU KNOW, THAT THE PLAN WAS FOR THE UTILITIES TO BE CROSS CONNECTED, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE GAP. OKAY. ONE END TO THE OTHER. NOW HE'S GONNA HAVE TO, OR HE HASN'T BROUGHT THAT UP, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED AMONG THEMSELVES. DO YOU DEFER THAT OR DO YOU ELIMINATE THAT AND ONLY MAKE HIM CONNECT FROM WHAT SIDE? UH, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD IMAGINE HE WOULD, UH, HE WOULD WANT TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, CONNECT UP FROM WHOEVER HE IS CONNECTING UP THIS, IS THERE AN EASEMENT THERE NOW DECLARED? NO, THERE'S NOT AN EASEMENT AND HE WOULDN'T HAVE TO HAVE AN EASEMENT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE HIS PROPERTY FROM, FROM, BUT IF HE CONNECTED ALL OF IT FROM CHEST, NOT THE CHEST, NOW IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AN, THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S STILL A REQUIREMENT OR NOT, OR WHETHER HE'S JUST ALLOWED TO CONNECT ON ONE SIDE A HIS OWN SERVICE. DOES THE CITY NEED THAT? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO IMPROVE THE FLOW, OR THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT OUR PEOPLE WOULD'VE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LIVING WITHOUT IT NOW. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE LIVING WITHOUT IT NOW. YEAH. AND WHETHER OR NOT IT MAKES, UH, EDDIE, DO YOU KNOW OR OFFHAND THE PRESSURES INVOLVING THERE IN THE SYSTEM, SO THERE'S NOT AN ISSUE WITH EITHER SIDE WATER QUALITY WISE, BUT WHEN YOU COME TO THE END AND MAKE A TAP AT THE END OF THE LINE, WHICH IS GONNA COME ACROSS, THERE SHOULD BE A BLOW OFF, I THINK, RIGHT HERE. CORRECT. HE MAKES A TAP HERE. HE'S GONNA HAVE WATER QUALITY ISSUES AND HE'S GONNA WISH HE HAD MADE THAT TIE IN TO KEEP HIS WATER MOVEMENT. HE'D BE ON A DEAD END, HE'D BE ON A DEAD END PLACE, DON'T WANNA END. SO, BUT THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE A 12 INCH LINE OR IT'S A SIX INCH WATER LINE. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE FULL SIX INCH SIZE. WHEN WE BUILT, WHEN THEY BUILT BRASS POINT, THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT NOT ENOUGH SEWAGE COMING FROM THEM YET. MM-HMM. WOULD AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT LENGTH OF SEWAGE. OKAY. THE NEAREST MANHOLE IS RIGHT THERE AT THE FENCE LINE OF, UH, OF THAT PORTION OF CHESTNUT. UH, YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S SEWER AVAILABLE ON BOTH END. THERE'S, THERE'S SEWER HERE AND THERE'S SEWER BACK HERE. AND YEAH, HE CAN GET TO EITHER, I UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTION, BUT IS THE DISTANCE A PROBLEM FROM AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE? IS THERE ENOUGH POOP TO TAKE CARE OF THE FALL? IF HE'S GOT THE FALL, THEN HE NEEDS TO GET TO THE MANHOLE. CORRECT. IF THE ELEVATION'S THE TRICK. OKAY. THEY USE A HOUSE PIPE, NOT A BIG PIPE. YEAH, RIGHT. A HOUSE PIPE. YOU'LL, YOU'LL MAKE IT ALL RIGHT. SO LOOK LIKE IT'S DOABLE TO TODAY, BUT RIGHT. SO THE, I GUESS THE CONCERN WAS MAKING THAT UTILITY TIE ALL THE WAY ACROSS A TO THE OTHER SIDE WOULD BE IDEAL. CURRENTLY, I GUESS, HOW DOES IT RUN? WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE SUPPLY COMING FROM THAT YOU'RE PULLING ALL THE WAY FROM THE OTHER SIDE? BIO AND ROBERTS AT THAT POINT? SOLO. SO YOU'RE AT THE TAIL END OF THAT ENTIRE SYSTEM RIGHT THERE. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER, CORRECT? YEAH. [00:25:03] SAY THAT AGAIN. WHAT DO YOU, IS IT THE WA ISN'T THE WATER THAT'S FIT, YOU GOT WATER HERE ON CHEST, NOT IN WATER HERE. ON CHEST, YEAH. IF HE TIED IN FROM THAT, FROM THE BRIDGE SIDE ON YOUR LEFT SIDE, THE SOUTHERN SIDE, THIS SIDE HERE, WOULDN'T THAT BE FED ALL THE WAY FROM THE OM ROBERTS UH, TOWER? NO, NO. THAT WOULD STILL COME IZED PLANE, BUT IT GETS FED FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. THIS IS SPIDER WHIP TOGETHER, ALL THAT IS SPIDER WHIP TOGETHER. AND WE'VE GOT A WATER MAIN OUT HERE ON DIXIE IN THIS AREA. SO HE'S GOT PLENTY OF WAYS TO GET WATER IN THERE. SO HE'S GOOD ON THAT. UM, IT'S JUST THAT THEY'RE ONLY USING WATER UP TO HERE ON THIS LINE AND NOBODY'S DRAWING ON THIS. AND SO HE COULD BE THE LAST ONE. SO IF HE DOESN'T USE PLENTY OF WATER HERE, HIS WATER WILL GET STAGNANT IN WHATEVER LINE HE PUTS IN. HE CAN'T RUN A THREE QUARTER INCH LINE BECAUSE WHEN HE OPENS A FAUCET, IT'LL JUST DRIFT DRIP OUT. SO HE IS GOTTA PUT IN A TWO INCH LINE TO A BIGGER HOUSE BACK HERE. SO YOU'VE GOTTA MOVE THAT FULL VOLUME THROUGH THE PIPE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE YOU RUN INTO STAGNATION ISSUES. SO IF YOU RUN THE LINE ALL THE WAY ACROSS, YOU'LL GET WATER MOVING BACK AND FORTH AND YOU'LL GET FRESH WATER ALL THE TIME. THE WIDTH OF THE BRIDGE IS AT 30 FEET. I THINK IT'S LESS THAN THAT. UH, THAT, UH, 28, IT'S A FULL SIZE STREET. IT'S FULL SIZE STREET. I GUESS YOUR MAINTENANCE WOULD START AT THE BRIDGE , IT'D BE ALL YOUR PERSONAL RIGHT. TO WEDGE IT DOWN, BUT RIGHT. MAD ADVANCE EVERYTHING. I HAD VERY NOVEL. SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US? WELL, PRIMARILY THOSE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE RUN WITH THIS PROPERTY FOREVER, FOREVER MORE, WHETHER YOU, THOSE ARE GONNA BE, UH, DONE AWAY WITH AND NOT MADE PART OF THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, SINGLE HOME. AND THAT WILL BE UP FOR YOU TO, TO IMPOSE ON THAT PLAN. LET ME ASK A QUESTION. SURE. YES. ARE YOU ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL? IS THE RESTRICTION ALSO PLACED ON BY COUNSEL OR WAS IT JUST PLACED ON BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WHETHER OR NOT WHERE IT ALL GOT STARTED, HONESTLY. SO MY, MY PREFERENCE IS, IS TO, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO SEE WHAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND AND TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. CAUSE I KNOW AT LEAST ONE ITEM, THE REQUEST TO ACCESS DIXIE DRIVE WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY, BY COUNCIL. UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE THAT AUTHORITY, BUT THEY WOULD PROBABLY APPRECIATE YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON EVERYTHING AND THEN THEY CAN LOOK AT THE SAME, UM, CAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TO MAKE THE DECISION. UH, BUT THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE OTHER ITEM ON DEFENSE REQUIREMENT, THE DEFENSE REQUIREMENT IS, THE AWARENESS RIGHT NOW IS IF YOU FENCE THE PROPERTY, BUT YOU CAN'T FENCE IN THE FRONT OF YOUR HOME. AND SO THAT'S NOT ALLOWED IN CAN'T MAKES SENSE. YOU CAN'T GO IN THE, THAT COULD PROBABLY WRONG BE APPROVED BY MAYBE ZBA OR IF CHANGING ZONING TO A STATE. BUT IN OUR TO ZONE, YOUR FENCE HAS TO STAY, YOU KNOW, NO FURTHER THAN THE FIFTH FIX YOUR, BUT THAT'S A MINOR THING. BUT THE REQUIREMENT TO THE ACCESS TO TO DIXON DRIVE WOULD BE A DECISION TO COUNSEL. OH YEAH. BUT IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO, IF HE DOESN'T WANT TO, THEN HE DOESN'T HAVE DIDN'T, I JUST HAD THIS QUESTION OF IF SAL, IF THE, THE SAFER THING IS THAT IF WE CAN'T DETERMINE WHO, WHO REALLY MADE THE REQUIREMENT ON THE CHESTNUT, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET BOTH YOU AND THE COUNSEL AND INTO AGREEMENT ON THAT. I WOULD FOR YOU SAY THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN COUNSEL'S LIKE, WAIT A MINUTE, , WE DIDN'T APPROVE THAT EITHER. YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN MY, MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT THING GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR DEAL AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE US MAKING THAT COMPLETION THROUGH THAT. AND UH, AND THAT CAME FROM JUST WORD OF MOUTH. I NEVER HAVE SEEN ANYTHING ON RAIN RIDING OR ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THAT. RIGHT. AND ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS UP REALLY TO THIS POINT, EXCEPT FOR ONE OTHER, UH, PERSON THAT'S KICKING THE TIRES, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN NUMEROUS HOUSES OR RIGHT. THE APARTMENT OR TOTALLY DIFFERENT. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST TIME THAT IT'S COME BEFORE YOU WHERE AND OR COUNSELS TALK ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL. AND SO A LOT OF THE, THIS REQUEST NOW DOESN'T SEEM, UH, DEFEND. YOU'RE RIGHT. WHICH WAY WERE YOUR HOUSE FACE. WELL, THAT'S THE NEXT THING. WELL NOW UNDERSTANDING THE FENCING, IT WAS ORIGINALLY GONNA BE FACING DIXIE. UM, SO I, I DIDN'T REALIZE WE CAN PURSUE A REQUEST FOR DIXIE. I MEAN, IF THAT'S AN OPTION, WE CAN TRY IT. IF IT DOESN'T WORK, GO THROUGH CHESTNUT. WHY DO YOU WANT DIXIE? [00:30:01] TO ME, THAT WOULD BE THE WORST POSSIBLE PLACE TO GO IN AND OUT OF. WELL, FOR ME IT, IT'S, IT'S THE MAIN ROAD AND IT'S EASIER THAN HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I MEAN THAT'S FOR ME, I MEAN ONE OF THE MAIN OBJECTIONS OF DIXIE AND IT IS THE SPEED OF THAT STRAIGHTS THERE. YEAH. AND HOW IT BECOMES A HAZARDOUS, IT WOULD'VE TO GO PROPERLY ALSO BEFORE COUNTING UP GUYS. THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION. YEAH. YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK ABOUT, THAT'D BE A NIGHTMARE HAVING TO COME IN AND OFF OF DIXIE. THAT'S, IT'S ALSO MORE CONCRETE. YOU GOT IT FOR IF YOU'RE GONNA STAY A SINGLE RESIDENCE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GOT OTHER PLANS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO OFF OF DIXIE, BUT IF YOU'RE GONNA STAY SINGLE RESIDENCE, NO OTHER PLANS, THERE'S NO, THAT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE TO COME IN OFF. EXCELLENT. AND THEN I STAND CORRECTED BUILDING BISHOP, CORRECT ME. SO THE BETSY REQUIREMENT'S NOT TIED TO THE ZONE, IT'S TIED TO THE ACREAGE. SO ANYTHING OVER ONE ACRE HE CAN FITS THE PERIMETER. MM-HMM. . WELL THAT'S INTERESTING. SO HE'S OKAY THEN JUST LIKE IN THE STATE. OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. AM I ABLE TO ADD SOMETHING? YES. OKAY. I JUST WANTED BRENDA ORS HIS WIFE AND WE ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENTS OF WOOD SHORE, UM, AREA. SO, UH, I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA BEHIND ACCESSING DIXIE, WE DON'T WANNA BE CONSIDERED A PART OF THE CHESTNUT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANTED TO BE IN ESTATE. UH, WE WANT OUR PROPERTY TO BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE WOOD SHORE COMMUNITY JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE LIVE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY AND I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON TO ADD, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULDN'T BE A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT MORE OF A DIFFERENT FEEL. WE WOULD LIKE TO MIRROR A LOT OF THE FEATURES THAT ARE IN THE WOOD SHORE COMMUNITY, UH, OBVIOUSLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD WITH ONE RESIDENCE. SO IS THAT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT ON A DIXIE OR, I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REASONING BECAUSE OUR HOME WOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THE NEIGHBORING HOMES. AND SO WE WANT IT TO BE, HEY, OUR HOUSE IS NOT A PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ITS OWN THING AND IT'S REFLECTING, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT. BECAUSE ACROSS TIME STREET, NONE OF THE HOUSES FACE DIXIE. RIGHT. BUT YOUR YEARS WOULD BE RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S MY WIFE IS SAYING, IF WE TIE IN A CHESTNUT, WE WOULD VERY EASILY BE ASSUMED TO BE A PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S THE SAME BREAKDOWN UNDER YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH ON YOUR FIRST SLIDE, IT'S ALL THE SAME. RIGHT. I'M GOING THERE BY LEGAL DESCRIPTION OF ON ON BCA. YES. SO I MEAN ON PAPER YES. , BUT DRIVING UP, NO, I THINK WITH ALL THOSE TREES, YOU'RE ALWAYS GONNA LOOK LIKE IT'S VERY UNIQUE AND SEPARATE. YOU'RE ON A STATE AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. YEAH. I MEAN, SO THAT'S IDEALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. YEAH. IT'S OWN SEPARATION. BUT I MEAN IF, IF WE CAN SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, THAT'S GREAT. IF, IF THEY SAY NO, OKAY, WELL WE GO, IT DIDN'T HURT TO ASK. IT DOESN'T HURT TO ASK, ASK THE COUNSEL, ALL THEY'RE GONNA SAY IS NO, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'VE LOST MUCH. AND IT MAY BE BETTER IF YOU, YOU LOSE, SO. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, AT LEAST WE CROSS THE TS GOT THE I'S. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A FASCINATING APPROACH. RIGHT. AND SO AGAIN, WITH THE WHAT, THE DRIVE, WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A STANDARD SMALL DRIVE. I MEAN THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT'S GONNA ASSIST WITH THE APPROACH AND THE EXIT. IT'S GONNA BE 25, 28 FOOT WIDE, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO SLOW DOWN TO FIVE MILES AN HOUR. YOU KNOW? SO THAT'S GONNA HELP WITH THE APPROACH. THIS IS NOT ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAN A STANDARD CITY STREET. UM, WITH, SO BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANY PROBLEM WITH PUTTING AN R TWO IN, IN THERE WITH WHAT KIND OF LIMITS YOU WANT TO DO. AND YOU CAN ASK THEM ABOUT THE DIXIE AND YOU STILL HAVE A VERY PLEASANT THING IF YOU CAN DO IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. MODESTA, WHAT DO YOU SEE US DOING HERE FOR COUNSELING? IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT? REC, I MEAN FOR THE RE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IT'S OKAY, YOU KNOW, OR ANYTHING. IF YOU, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH RECOMMENDING ACCESS TO, TO DIXIE DRIVE OR YOU'RE OKAY WITH A SINGLE FAMILY WITHOUT, REALLY THE STIPULATION IS THE CONNECTION OF CHESTNUT. THAT'S THE BIG THING THAT STAFF HAS WONDERED IS THAT WE HAVE THIS KIND OF UNWRITTEN BE THAT CHESTNUTS SHALL CONNECT AND IT DIDN'T GIVE ANY STIPULATIONS OF WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. IT'S JUST SAYS WHOEVER DEVELOPMENTS HAS TO CONNECT IT. AND SO THAT'S OUR BIG QUESTION IS ARE YOU OKAY WITH IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESONANCE OF, OF WAIVING THAT REQUIREMENT AND MAKING RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL THAT THAT JUST SEEMS NOT TO BE NECESSARY. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST, UH, ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE, YOU KNOW, UM, DETERMINED. SHERRY, CAN YOU CHIME IN ON THAT? OH, SURE. SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S JUST SOME KIND OF VERBAL, WE THINK THIS WAS WHAT WAS SAID KIND OF [00:35:01] RIGHT. IF YOU ALL COULD, I DON'T, DO YOU HAVE THE LIST OF ITEMS? YES. UH, BECAUSE IF YOU COULD GO DOWN THE LIST AND SAY, WE DON'T MIND JUST NOT COMING THROUGH. MORE ACCESS TO DIXIE. THE LIST OF ITEMS IS IN THE, IT'S IN MY MEMO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. NUMBER ONE, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE ZONED TO THE APPROPRIATE DEVELOPMENT CURRENTLY IN R TWO. WELL, THAT'S A GIVEN. THAT'S A GOOD ONE. THE COUNCIL PLANNERS AND STAFF HAVE CARRIED THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CHEST STREET CAB BEING COMPLETED IN ANY DEVELOPMENT IN ALL DEVELOPMENTS. THAT'S ONE, ONE OF THE MAIN ONES. DO Y'ALL WANT, DO Y'ALL CARE? I MEAN, SINCE IT'S SINGLE ONE SINGLE HOUSE, DO YOU WANT CHESTNUT TO COME THROUGH OR CAN IT STOP? SEEM LIKE THREE IS THE ONLY ONE. THE UTILITY LINES AND SUCH. OKAY. BUT LET'S GET DEFINITE ANSWER ON NUMBER ONE. CHESTNUT. I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO CLOSE THE CHESTNUT GAP IF THEY'RE DOING A SINGLE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S PLOT IT AS ONE PIECE. I DON'T THINK THAT SHOULD BE REQUIRED. YEAH, I I THINK IF IT WAS GONNA BE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR YEAH, THAT'D BE DIFFERENT. YEAH. BUT NOT AS A CIVIL HOUSING, DIFFERENT SINGLE, SINGLE PLOTTED PIECE. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE TO WORRY. THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW AREA THERE, ANYTHING THEY'RE LEGAL YOU CAN HANG YOUR HEAD ON THAT SAYS THEY NEED TO CONNECT THE ROAD. NO, THERE'S NOTHING. AND IT'S NOT GONNA IMPROVE THE LIFE ON EITHER PEOPLE? NO. ON EITHER SIDE. ANY OF THE REST. IT'S REALLY ODD TO HAVE A STREET GOING THROUGH YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR NO REASON. THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE NEEDED. YEAH, THERE'S NO LEGAL REASON. WHAT'S ANOTHER ONE? STOP? THE THIRD ONE IS ALL THE UTILITY LINES, THE WATER, SEWER AND FIRE SHOULD ALSO CONNECT THROUGH THE GAP. SHOULD, THAT'S AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. SO, BUT THIS, BUT THE STREET IS LENGTH WISE, THE UTILITIES ARE ANYWAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. SO THE UTILITIES, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE WATER OR ELSE YOU'RE GONNA GET STINKY WATER. WHEN YOU SAY DO THE WATER, YOU MEAN CONNECTED ACROSS THE GAP? YEAH. OKAY. THE AND WHAT SIZE OF LINE IS THAT? SIX INCH. Y'ALL SAID IT'S A SIX INCH LINE RIGHT NOW AT THE ENDS. OKAY. CORRECT. HE COULD DO A THREE, TWO, A TWO INCH LINE THAT WOULD GLOW FROM ONE INCH TO THE OTHER AND KEEP IT TAP OFF OF THAT LINE. YEAH, KEEP IT OFF OF IT. YOU'D KEEP IT FRESH WATER AT THAT POINT. YOU WANT THAT? I THINK. I DON'T, I MEAN, IT'S JUST ONE HOUSE. DO YOU THINK THEY NEED TO CONNECT WITH OR JUST TO BOTH, BOTH OF 'EM OR JUST ONE OF THEM? IS THIS GONNA BE A SEVEN OR 10 BEDROOM ESTATE? NO, UM, PROBABLY SIX BEDROOMS, THREE BATH. FOUR BATH. FIVE BATH. FOUR BATH. RIGHT. FOUR BATH. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH, THAT'S NOTHING. SO, UM, THAT'S ALRIGHT. SO THE SEWER IS NO CLOSING THE GAP BECAUSE THE SEWER IS FINE AND WE WERE NOT IN CHARGE OF ELECTRICITY, SO THERE'D BE FIRE. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRE LINE? OKAY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE FIRE MARSH, THE FIRE SALE ONE, WHEN WE MET IN FLOOR, MEAN HE HAD SAID, I THINK 500 FEET HAD TO BE WITHIN THE, FROM THE RESIDENCE TO THE NEAREST HYDRANT. MM-HMM. AND FROM WHAT I, I DROVE THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO DROVE THAT AREA. AND SO WHAT I SAW WAS AT THE CORNER OF CHESTNUT AND WHERE THAT LIGHT IS AT. MM-HMM. CHESTNUT. AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT ROAD THAT IS, CENTER WAY, THAT'S THE NEAREST HDT I SAW ON THAT SIDE. THERE IS A HYDRANT ON THIS SIDE, BUT OBVIOUSLY ACCESS IS LIMITED TO USE ALL THE BRUSH. SO THAT BLOW OFF ISN'T A HYDRANT RIGHT NOW. NO. THERE, THERE SHOULD BE A HYDRANT THERE THOUGH. I MEAN YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. DUDE. THAT BLOW OFF COULD BE A HYDRANT BECAUSE IT IS A LONG RUN RUN FROM THE INTERSECTION TO THE END OF THIS HOUSE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. YEAH, WITH A FIRE MARSHAL ON THAT, THAT MIGHT BE A SOLUTION TO THE FIRE THING. SO ONLY CLOSING THE GAP OF THE WATER. ALL RIGHT. AND THE LAST ONE WOULD, OH NO, THE FOURTH WOULD BE THE FLOODING ISSUES. YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY, SO THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE YEAH, YOU CAN'T INTERRUPT A NATURAL FULL OF WATER. THAT'S NOT JUST OUR ORDINANCE, THAT'S ALL THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. THAT'S STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. UNDERSTAND. YEAH. AND THE LAST THOUGHT WOULD BE THE, UH, CONDITION OF NO ACCESS TO NORTH DIXIE DRIVE. WHAT DO Y'ALL THINK ABOUT DIXIE DRIVE? YOU THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA? CHESTNUT, OR YOU THINK DIXIE'S A BAD IDEA? D D IDEA WOULD BE A BAD IDEA. YEAH, WE'D RECOMMEND AGAINST IT, BUT UH, IF WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY RECOMMENDS AGAINST IT. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. AND I GO TO COUNSEL, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU, YOU ALL HAVE TO SAY. WHY DO YOU, WHY YOU RECOMMEND AGAINST DIXIE? SAFETY. SAFETY CONCERNS. SAFETY CONCERNS MOSTLY. YEAH. IT'S, BUT ISN'T IT, IT'S NOT SMART TO DUMP ONTO A BUSY ROAD WHEN YOU GOT A NICE QUIET ONE TO ACCESS ON. SO ISN'T IT THE SAME KIND OF, UH, ASPECT OF AS, AS GOING BACK TO THE, UH, THE ISSUE OF APARTMENTS VERSUS A SINGLE HOUSE. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE IF YOU HAD AN APARTMENT BUILDING RIGHT. WITH MAYBE WHAT WOULD FIT IN THERE, 20 [00:40:01] APARTMENTS, WHATEVER. UH, YOU'D HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC, BUT HE'S A SINGLE FAMILY. IT'S GONNA BE ONE, YOU KNOW, ONE OR TWO CARS COMING OUT PERIODICALLY IN THE MORNING AND AN AFTERNOON. I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT REALLY A, YOU HAVE A TEENAGER THAT MUCH OF A SAFETY CONCERN, HAVE A NINE YEAR OLD AND A, I THINKS A CONCERN OF PEOPLE TURNING IN MISTAKENLY TURN THAT IN THE TIME WHEN THEY'RE ALL PULLING OUT IS WHEN EVERYBODY ELSE IS ON DIXIE WHEN IT'S A, YOU KNOW, I 10 TRAFFIC TIMES. RIGHT. AND I, I THINK FOR ME, I GUESS MY, I I SEE IT AS IT ALMOST BEING A, IT'S THE SAME WIDTH OF A STANDARD ROADWAY. SO HOW'S IT DIFFERENT FROM, YOU KNOW, TAKING A RIDE ON ANOTHER STREET VERSUS INTO MY DRIVEWAY? YEAH. SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T NEED THE DRIVE. IT'S THE SAME AS A TURN TO LIGHT. IF, IF I CAN MAKE A ADDITION TO, TO THAT, UH, SOMETHING THAT THE DEVELOPER MIGHT NEED TO CONSIDER, UM, THIS DITCH RIGHT HERE WOULD BE EXPENSIVE. THAT'S A, THAT'S GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY DEVELOP ALMOST TO ABOUT SAME VOLUME OR DIMENSION AS ONE THERE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THAT SAID THAT YOU'LL INCUR A LOT OF EXPENSE BECAUSE YOU'LL NEED TO COME UP WITH A STRUCTURE THAT HERE ALL ON YOUR EXPENSE. RIGHT. IF THAT'S THE ROUTE YOU WANT TO GO. AND WOULD THAT ALSO COME THAT IT HAS TO BE PROPERLY DESIGNED BASED THE HYDRAULICS, AGAIN, NOT TWO DO THAT. JUST MAKE THE CRITERIA THAT YOU'LL HAVE SET FOR FUTURE, BUT DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, WHEN IT COMES THROUGH, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE A BRIDGE RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN IT COMES THROUGH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE RIGHT, IT'S NOT THAT'S A BRIDGE. YEAH. IT'D BE TWO, IT'D BE TWO TIMES. IT'D BE WHAT YOU DEVELOP NOW AND THEN WHEN THE CITY COMES THROUGH TO FINISH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT DRAINAGE. YOU HAVE TO REBUILD AT THAT POINT TO THAT STANDARD. YEAH. WELL EVEN TIE INTO IT EVEN NOW TO A LESSER EXTENT, IF YOU GET THE PERMISSION, YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH EXISTING CONDITION, YOU WILL HAVE TO DESIGN AN APPROPRIATE SIZE CROSSING CONDUIT UNDER THE CROSSING CAN THE CURRENT. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WE WILL BE GIVEN THE SPECIFICATIONS DURING OUR DEVELOPMENT. YES. I, I CHANGE. NO, I UNDERSTAND. I JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS TO, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, EXPECTED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WITHOUT SUFFOCATION IS KIND OF HOW TO DO THAT. IT'S INTERESTING THAT LITTLE STUB WAS EVEN PUT THERE WHEN THEY PUT IN NORTH DIXIE. YEAH. WHAT WAS THAT LITTLE STUB LIKE? THEY WERE ANTICIPATING A VERY NARROW STREET COMING OFF THAT WAS FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES. YEAH, IT WAS, THAT'S A MAINTENANCE ACCESS. MAINTENANCE ACCESS FOR THAT DITCH MOWING AND ALL THAT ACCESS FOR THE DITCH AND ALL. YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A STREET GET OFF THE ROAD. YEAH. WE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS HERE. UM, YEAH, I THINK SO. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. DO WE NEED A MOTION AND ALL THAT OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW. UH, YOU MAKE A MOTION TO THE RECOMMENDATION YOU JUST MET. YEAH. DO WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY? YOU DO BECAUSE WE'VE ASKED TO IS RECOMMEND YOUR OPINION. SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM THEY CAN OR CAN'T DO. THEY WE'RE SAYING WHATEVER US PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND THAT'S WHAT, UM, YEAH, WHEN Y'ALL VOTE UP OR DOWN ZONING OR ANYTHING, YOU'RE, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. SO, I MEAN, IF YOU FEEL, DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING A MOTION. WE'VE STILL GOT YOUR FEEDBACK. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION THAT, UH, WE PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK OF, UH, NOT RECOMMENDING THE DIXIE ACCESS AND, UH, LETTING THE CITY DETERMINE IF THEY NEED THE CONNECTION ACROSS THE WATER. BUT, UH, SUGGESTING, UH, NOT SEEING THE NECESSITY FOR CONTINUING CHESTNUT PROPER TO GO ACROSS, UH, FOR THE REQUEST FOR MR. GUS ORS TO, TO, UH, ASSESS THE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THE, OF A REMAINING, UH, INFIELD OF THE FOUR PLUS ACRE TRACK AND CHESTNUT OFF CHESTNUT AND OF NORTH DIXIE DRIVE BETWEEN PALM LANE AND CENTERED WAY. DID I MAKE THAT WORDY ENOUGH? FIRE ALSO WATER AND FIRE. UH, ALSO YES, THE, THE DRAINAGE. THE, WELL, THE DRAINAGE HE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE FIRE, FIRE MARSHAL. SEE THE DISTANCES. YEAH. THE FIRE [00:45:01] MARSHALS KIND OF DO THAT AND GONNA DO THE DRAINAGE. ALL RIGHT, I'LL SECOND THAT A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? JOHN, DID YOU WANT TO NO, I, I JUST, UH, UM, I STILL FEEL THAT THE FACT THAT THIS IS GONNA BE A SINGLE FAMILY LIVING IN THAT PROPERTY, THAT, UH, I'M NOT AS CONCERNED AS YOU ALL ARE ABOUT THE DIXIE DRIVE ACCESS. UM, SEEMED TO ME THAT WAS A KIND OF A BIG THING THAT YOU GUYS WERE REALLY WANTING TO DO. AND LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING, YOU KNOW, AS, AS MUCH OF A PROBLEM AS YOU GUYS DO. BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT BLOCKING HIM ASKING FOR IT, AND WE'RE NOT, THAT'S OUR OPINION RELATIVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO YEAH. WE WILL NOTE YOUR OBJECTION. . ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND I THINK IT'LL BE A PROUD POINT THAT IF Y'ALL ACCOMPLISH THIS, I CAN SAY, WELL, I KNOW WHO LIVES IN THERE, . YEAH, WE'LL WATCH Y'ALL SOME BARBECUE. GOOD LUCK. SO IF, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE, WE'LL GET THIS ON UH, NEXT MONDAY'S AGENDA FOR COUNCIL. OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. AND DISCUSS IT THEN. AND I JUST NEED TO BE REPRESENTATIVE. VERY GOOD. WE'LL HAVE THE SAME DISCUSS. SOUNDS GOOD. BUT WITH A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. THE, UH, ALL YOUR INFORMATION TO THAT OTHER MEETING. GOOD. THANK YOU. [5. DISCUSS METHODS TO DETER DEVELOPERS FROM CLEAR CUTTING PROPERTY OR FROM REMOVING PROTECTED TRESS – SHERRI RUSSELL] SHERRY, LET'S SAVE YOU SOME TREES. THOUSAND DOLLAR TREE. I WILL WRITE THAT DOWN AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING. . YEAH, WE ARE MISSING THE DISASTERS, AREN'T WE? I'VE GOT A RECORDING. I'M NOT MISSING A THING. I GOT BILL'S WATCHING . I MEAN, JEFF'S WATCHING . YEAH, I THINK SO. PROBABLY. YEAH. OKAY. Y'ALL WANTED TO TALK ABOUT CLEAR CUTTING? YES. UM, SO WHAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE IS SOME, GIVE US SOME SOME TEETH TO THE ORDINANCE THOUGH WE'VE GOT, CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE SEE THEY CAN JUST GO CLEAR CUT AND IT COSTS 'EM $500 AND SO THERE'S NO PENALTY. THE PROB YEAH. THE PROBLEM WITH CLEAR CUTTING, I MEAN CERTAINLY IF THEY CUT DOWN THREE, WHAT DO WE CALL THEM? PRESERVED TREES, BIG TREES. HERITAGE, HERITAGE TREES. WE CAN CHARGE 'EM PER TREE. YOU CLEAR CUT. IT'S ONE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE CUT DOWN AT ALL CUZ THERE'S BEEN NO TREE SURVEY. UM, SO I DID LOOK AT SOME OTHER TOWNS, UH, CONROE. I LIKE CONROE, UM, REMOVAL. EACH TREE IS A SEPARATE OFFENSE AND THE THING IS YOU HAVE TO, BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT'S CRIMINAL AND YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT UP A CIVIL FINE THOUGH. UM, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY FIGURE OUT THE TOTAL DIAMETER OF INCHES REMOVED AND IT'S 200 TIMES THAT TOTAL DIAMETER. WHICH WOULD BE MY GOSH, . YES, IT WOULD BE. MY GOD THAT'S A DETER CHOKE BACK IN. AND THE PROBLEM IS AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE TO ESTIMATE WHAT THAT IS CUZ THEY'VE ALREADY CLEAR CUT. UM, WHAT DOES THIS SAY? AGGREGATE DIAMETER OF TREES PER AC ACRES SEEM TO BE 200 DIAMETER INCHES PER ACRE. THEY'VE GOT AN ASSUMPTION IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT I'M SURE THEY STUDIED IT. UM, SO I MEAN THAT'S A WAY TO GO IS TO SAY, WELL IF, IF YOU GO AROUND IN CLEAR CUT, OBVIOUSLY THAT THIS ACRE WAS CHOPPED FULL OF TREES, WE'RE GONNA ESTIMATE THAT WAS UM, 200 DIAMETER INCHES AND CHARGE YOU $200 PER INCH. UM, THE CIVIL PENALTIES ARE, WELL I WOULD HAVE TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE TO MAKE 'EM APPEALABLE LIKE IT WOULD BE UM, SAY THE UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GO OUT THERE AND WRITE IN THE CIVIL PENALTIES AND THEY COULD APPEAL TO YOU. THE TEETH IN IT IS THAT, UM, AND ALL THE, I LOOKED AT CON, I FOUND CONROE, PABLE AND DRIPPING SPRINGS AND I STOPPED LOOKING CUZ YOU KNOW, ATTORNEYS JUST COPY OFF OF EACH OTHER. THEY START GETTING REPETITIVE, BUT UM, THEY ALL SUSPEND PERMITS. WHATEVER THEY'RE WORKING ON, THEY SUSPEND PERMITS UNTIL THE MONEY'S BEEN PAID. UH, I DON'T, WE COULDN'T SUSPEND SITE PLANS OR PLATS BECAUSE THE STATE REALLY DOESN'T LET WANT YOU TO SUSPEND THAT. BUT STOCK WORK ORDERS AND SUSPENSION FOR OTHER THINGS IS A POSSIBILITY. [00:50:01] UM, COLLEYVILLE, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT IN INSTEAD OF PUNITIVE THAT'S INCENTIVIZES THEM TO NOT, I DID NOT SEE ANY IN HOW DO YOU INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE NOT TO CLEAR CUT THEIR PROPERTY? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OFTEN TAX ABATEMENTS OR SOMETHING FOR SAVING THEIR TREES OR SOMETHING THAT THAT'S A CARROT TO KEEP 'EM, I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S SURELY THERE'S SOMETHING WE COULD COME UP WITH. YEAH. WELL IN THIS INSTANCE THE COUNCIL ALREADY GAVE THEM THAT SAID TO, THEY GRANTED THE TAX DISTRICT OH MY GOD. OH AND THERE, SO THEY ALREADY SCREWED UP IN THERE. SO THEY ALREADY ALLOWED THE DEVELOPER TO PLACE A TAX, UH, AN ADDITIONAL TAX ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE, TO BUILD THE ROADS AND STUFF. SO THE ROADS ALREADY INCENTIVE GIVEN IN PLACE. SO WELL THEY GAVE IT TO RAISE THE PROPERTY SO IT WOULDN'T FLOOD, RIGHT. UM, YEAH, I GUESS HE COULD ALWAYS, HE DIDN'T FOLLOW IT. HE COULD ALWAYS TAP TAKE AWAY THE . THAT WOULD BE TOO COMPLICATED. RIGHT. UM, BUT YEAH, TO THE, ON AN INCENTIVE GIVEN INCIDENT, THERE WAS ALREADY INCENTIVE GIVEN. UM, IN SENSE YES, IT IT'S TRUE. IT'S TRUE. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WITH THIS IS THAT THE TREES WERE GONNA COME DOWN ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE FILL HE HAD TO PUT IN. YES. UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YES. EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD'VE ALL GONE DOWN BECAUSE THE MOUNTAIN, HE HAS TO RAISE THE PROPERTY, FEEL HE HAVE TO RAISE THAT WHOLE AREA. THAT WHOLE AREA'S GONNA HAVE TO BE RAISED AROUND THREE FEET IN ORDER TO GET OFF OF THE UH, BASE FLOOD SITUATION. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT TREES AND WHY THAT WOULD KILL A TREE. EXCEPT YOU NEED THE SPACE TO BRING IN ALL THAT DIRT. ALL THOSE THINGS WERE DONE, THEY WOULD ALL DIE. SO ANYWAY. BUT HE DID JUMP THE GUN AND SO WE'RE HERE TRYING TO PREVENT THE NEXT TIME THAT IT HAPPENS. AND OF COURSE, DID ONE COME TO THE TOP? ALL THE ONES YOU LOOKED AT AND ONE OF 'EM SUIT SEEMED MORE SUITABLE? YEAH, I LIKED, I LIKED CONROE, I LIKED CONROE ESTIMATING, HAVING THE ESTIMATE ABOUT THE INCHES AND MULTIPLYING IT BY THE INCHES AS THE CIVIL, AS THE CIVIL PENALTY. BEC THE CRIMINAL PENALTY IS, I MEAN IT'S 500 FOR A CRIMINAL VIOLATION. AND WHAT'S THE VIOLATION? YOU WANT TO, WE COULD CHANGE IT TO 500 PER TREE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TREES WE HAVE TO ESTIMATE IT. SO DOES CONROE AGAINST THEIR FORMULA IS PER ACRE. YOU ASSUME THAT THERE ARE 200 CALIBER INCHES YES. PER ACRE. YES. THEY, I DON'T KNOW, $40,000. MM-HMM. PER ACRE. BUT IT WOULDN'T BE THE WHOLE PLANT SEEMED LIKE IT'D ONLY BE WHERE THEY'D END UP POTENTIALLY LEAVING THE TREES AFTER IT'S PLANNED. WELL, BUT IF YOU RAISE THE WHOLE THING ENTIRELY LIKE THEY DID HERE, THERE'RE A HUN THERE ARE 40 ACRES INVOLVED THERE AND UH, IT WAS RACE ENTIRELY. WE WEREN'T AWARE WHERE THE TREES WERE OR WHERE THEY WERE NOT. THEY'RE JUST, I LIKE CONNOR'S IDEA. MAKES SENSE. SO 40,000, WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN MILLION SIX IN PENALTIES FOR THIS. BUT THAT'S, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEHIND BUCKYS NOW, RIGHT? WE'RE NORTHWOOD NORTHWOOD. NORTHWOOD NORTHWOOD. NORTH OF NORTHWOOD. OH THEY DID THIS. OKAY. IT DONE. THAT'S THE, THE PHOTOS OF THE DOCTOR. DUST SHOW THE PICTURE. YEAH. YEAH. THIS IS, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ARIZONA. YEAH, THIS IS WHAT THEY DID TO THAT WHOLE TREED AREA EXCEPT FOR THE LINE OF TREES ON THE FRIDA ROAD. SO YOU COULDN'T SEE THEM DOING IT. YEAH. SHAME. YEAH IT IS. COULD YOU DRAFT UP SOMETHING THAT KIND OF, I WILL DRAFT UP SOMETHING UM, SIMILAR TO CONROE AND BRING IT BACK TO Y'ALL. YEAH. ONLY I JUST, THEY DON'T HAVE THE WHOLE APPEAL PART IN HERE, BUT DUE PROCESS AND ALL THAT. DEVELOPERS KNOW FRONT ANY GOOD. DON'T WORRY ABOUT PUTTING THOSE WORDS. COME ON. WE'RE BETTER THAN THAT. YEAH. IT'S GOTTA BE DETERRENT. YEAH, IT HAS TO BE. BUT IT'S ONLY TO DETERRENT IF WE LET PEOPLE KNOW THOUGH. RIGHT. AND IF THEY SNEAK AROUND AND DO IT BEFORE EVEN GET A CHANCE TO SAY, AND BY THE WAY, DON'T CLEAR CUT CAUSE WE'RE GONNA FIND THE HELL OUT OF YOU. NO, THEY'D BE HAVING TO ADD A COUPLE DOLLARS PER SQUARE FOOT TO ALL THESE HOUSES THEY'RE ABOUT TO SELL. YEAH, WELL THEY'VE ALREADY ADDED IT BECAUSE OF THE PI. YES. YEAH. SO S IS ASSUMING SO MANY TREES PER ACRE. SO REALLY IT'S A FINE PER ACRE. YES. THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE. AND 200, 200 INCHES TO ANY PROPERTY UNDER ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S NOT EVEN LIKE GREEN CONSTRUCTION. CLEAR AND ANCHOR WITHOUT APPROVAL, YOU'RE [00:55:01] MOST LIKELY GONNA GET A FINE PER ACRE. IT'S $200 TIMES THE TOTAL DIAMETER INCHES. SO IT'S 200 TIMES WHICH STYLE ALREADY DID THE MOUTH. BUT I REMEMBER 200 DIAMETER INCHES COULD BE MADE BY UH, THREE TREES. THREE THREE TREES DOWN HERE, 12 TREES AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT'S BEING GENEROUS. SO CONROE MOST LIKELY TOOK IN, YOU KNOW, UNDERGROWTH CLEARED OUT AND TREES. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE NOT COUNTING, YOU KNOW, TRASH TREES, WE'RE NOT COMING WATER OAKS, WHICH I DON'T BLAME 'EM, I'M NOT TRYING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, I'M NOT TRYING TO CRUCIFY ANYBODY OVER IT, YOU KNOW, CAUSE I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT HASN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE THE LAST LAND PIT. THAT'S, THAT WAS THERE. SO RIGHT. IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS JUST REDEVELOPED FIVE YEARS LATER. YEAH. BUT I, I WOULDN'T WANNA CRUCIFY ANYBODY FOR CLEANING OUT A MULBERRY VINE. IT'S A MULBERRY VINE. I DON'T PARTY ONLINE BUT I KNOW THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. CAUSE I KNOW THE FAMILY USED TO OWN IT. THERE WERE SOME AMAZING TREES IN THERE. YEAH. AND I KNOW THEY COULDN'T SAVE IT CAUSE THEY HAVE TO RAISE IT. BUT IT'S STILL ONE OF THOSE, IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW DUE PROCESS TO MAKE YOUR MILLIONS OUT OF OUR CITY REPUTATION, OUR CITY DESIGN, OUR CITY WANTS, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE WERE LIKE, OH NOPE, YOU CAN'T BUILD NOW BECAUSE NO, WE WOULD'VE GIVEN HIM THE FRICKING PERMIT FOR 150 BUCKS AND THEY WOULD RAISED THEIR, THEY WERE TO CLEAR CUT IT AND PARTY IRON IRONY IS NOW HE WANTS PERMISSION TO BURN IT ALL. WELL THEY WON'T LET ME BURN MINE. . YOU'RE KIDDING ME. I'M SORRY. I DO YOU NEED TO BURN SOMETHING? NO, BUT I EVEN ON THE COUNTER, THEY'RE NOT LETTING ME DO IT. ARE YOU GUYS KIDDING ME? I NEED TO GO GET MY CLES UP TO DATE AGAIN. HE'S ASKING, HE'S JUST ASKING. NO, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. HE NEEDS TO GET A OH HE'S, HE'S HE'S GONNA ASK FOR THAT ONE. CAUSE HE KNOWS HE WILL. HE NEEDS TO GET A BERMA. THAT'S PART OF THE ORDINANCE HE NEEDS. YEAH, I KNOW. WE DON'T, WE DO IT WHEN THERE'S NOT A BURN BAND. IN EFFECT. 35 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, ONE OF THE MANY REASONS I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL IS CAUSE OF THIS PLACE. BUT YES, YOU WENT TO LAW SCHOOL CAUSE OF A TREES. YES. NO, CUZ OF THIS CITY . I'M SORRY IT'S NOT YOU, BUT YOU PRE I WASN'T HERE. I KNOW YOU WEREN'T. THIS ALL R TWO. UH, YEAH. PROBABLY LEAST IS R TWO. THIS IS ALL OUR, I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD ANY TREE RESTRICTIONS ON R TWO. WE DON'T, WE DON'T. IT'S THE RESTRICTION IS THE DEVELOPER CANNOT CLEAR CUT THE PROPERTY UNTIL A PLAT IS APPROVED. IT'S A PLANNING COMMISSION AND YOU GET A PERMIT TO CLEAR THEY, THEY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO GOT APPROVED PLA THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PROB HE'D JUST, HE JUMPED THE GUN. HAD HE HAD AN APPROVED PLA HE WOULD'VE COME IN PROPERLY TO GET A PERMIT AND WE WOULD'VE GIVEN HIM A PERMIT. WE WOULD'VE NEVER HEARD ABOUT THIS IN HERE. WE WOULD'VE HEARD ABOUT IT ON BC UPDATES NOT IN HERE. IF HE WOULD'VE FOLLOWED THE, THE EXTRA FOUR STEPS. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE FOUND OUT, YOU KNOW, FROM A PHONE CALL FROM THE EX-EMPLOYEE SAYING WHAT'S GOING UP, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF TOWN. THEY WERE LIKE, UH, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT DO YOU MEAN ? DO YOU SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING OVER INCLUDE OVER THERE ON COLLEGE? YEAH. THEY, THEY TOOK DOWN THAT LAST CORNER. LIKE THE SAME THING. YEAH. MUCH SMALLER PLOT. THE JOHN FOR US IS WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH. YEAH. IT'S STILL COMMUNICATING AND GETTING THE WORD OUT SO THAT A DEVELOPER OR PROPERTY OWNER KNOWS. YEAH. WE'RE NOT TRYING, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SANDBAG ANYBODY DO THAT. YOU DON'T DO, THIS MAY BE A STRESS. CAN WE GET ANY INFORMATION FROM THE GOOGLE EARTH BEFORE AS FAR AS PERCENT OF LAND THAT WAS COVERED. YOU CAN'T, YOU LOOK ON GOOGLE EARTH, YOU 100 COVERED. YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT'S ALL CANOPY. YEAH, IT'S, AND THAT'S WHY I SAY THAT THE 200, THE 200 INCH PER ACRES A LEGITIMATE, I THINK BEING FAIR TO BOTH SIDES. MM-HMM. NOT BEING, HEY, WE'RE EXTREME TREE HUGGERS. WE'RE COUNTING EVERYTHING FROM THE TI UP. YEAH. BUT BEING A LEGITIMATE, HEY, THERE'S AN AVERAGE OF THIS MANY GOOD OPENING ON, SO I, I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, IF WE WANTED TO MODIFY IT TO US. YES. BUT I'M NOT, I PERSONALLY BELIEVE ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL'S GONNA VOTE YES FOR US. WE'RE GONNA GO AFTER EVERY SINGLE LITTLE INCH OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THIS AREA, GOOGLE EARTH COULD ALSO SEE AN AREA THAT A LOT OF IT WAS ALREADY BEARING. MM-HMM. . IT COULD, BUT IT'S NOT THIS AREA. WELL, I KNOW IT'S NOT THAT AREA. I'M TRYING TO BE A GENERALIZE ON THE ORDINANCE THAT TO PRESENT ALL THE ACREAGE COVERED BY, UH, VEGETATION AS PROVEN BY GOOGLE EARTH OR SUCH, IF THAT WOULD BE THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'D FIND FOR, RATHER THAN READ INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS HARRY. CUZ IF YOU HAVE IT LIKE SHE READ IT, IT'S A PUNITIVE, IT IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A SHOT ACROSS THE BOW. YOU DON'T DO THIS UNTIL YOU GO THROUGH THE STEPS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON ALL THAT STUFF. IF, IF THEY SCREW UP AND THEY DO INCUR THIS FINE, THEN YOU CAN START LOOKING AT HOW MANY ACRES WERE ACTUALLY THEY COULD, THEY COULD APPEAL AND THEY'D COME BEFORE, I GUESS YOU ALL, AND YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE GOOGLE EARTH AND SAY, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S ONLY GIVE A HUNDRED HUNDRED INCHES PER ACRE. YEAH. RIGHT. BUT IT'S, IT'S MEANT TO BE THE, THE, THE INITIAL, HEY, YOU, YOU, YOU, WE HAVE STEPPING STONES THAT WERE LEGITIMATELY LETTING EVERYBODY WALK DOWN IN THE CITY. IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA WALK DOWN THOSE STEPPING STONES, YOU NEED TO BE PUNISHED. YEAH. IF THEY CLEAR IT AND BURN IT AND THERE'S NO EVIDENCE LEFT, WE [01:00:01] GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE MM-HMM. , HERE'S WHAT WE GOT THOSE TWO AND YOU DON'T, THEY GET OUT THERE, THEY DESTROY 30 ACRES AN HOUR. YEAH. AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE STAFF THE FLEXIBILITY TO DISCUSS, IS IT A HUNDRED INCHES OR 200 INCHES? I WANT THEM TO HAVE A FLAT THAT SOON. 200 INCHES AND COME TO YOU ALL AND YEAH. AGREE. AND I, I THINK THE POINTS WE MADE, I SHERRY'S MADE IN A COUPLE TIMES IS COUNCIL IS, AT LEAST WE JUST NEED SOME TYPE OF A BIGGER STICK BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE IS NOTHING REALITY. WE CAN'T EVEN BUY LUNCH FOR YOU GUYS. EVEN, EVEN IF WE TOLD THE DEVELOPER TODAY, HE'S LIKE, IF YOU BUY IT, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE YOU $500. HIS CHECKBOOKS ALREADY BOOKED OUT . YEAH. IT'S NOT MORE THAN THAT. A TREE. SO, AND WE HOPE THAT WE NEVER HAVE TO NO, TOTALLY HAVE TO USE, BUT IT'S NICE TO, IT IS LIKE, HERE'S THE PENALTY. IF YOU DO BUY LIGHT IT TO, FOR SOMEONE TO PAUSE IS LIKE, OH, OKAY. AND WE'RE GONNA PUT A STOP WORK ORDER AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. I MEAN, HERE, HERE'S THE ENTRY PAMPHLET. WE GIVE YOU STEPS ALREADY. I'VE SEEN HOW YOU GUYS DO IT. IT'S VERY PROFESSIONAL. IT BLOWS A LOT OF OTHER SEATS OUTTA THE WATER. THEY'RE LITERALLY JUST TAKING IT AND FOLDING IT. CLOTHES, PUTTING IN THE BACK SEAT. I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA DO WHAT WE DO NOW. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HIDE WHAT WE REQUIRE FROM THESE GUYS. MM-HMM. , WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ANSWER THESE PHONES TWENTY FOUR SEVEN IT FEELS LIKE. PRETTY MUCH. YEAH. AND WE HAVE THE PEOPLE WITH THE RIGHT KNOWLEDGE. WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE BLACK AND WHITE EVERYWHERE. THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE LITERALLY TOSSING IN THE BACK SEAT. LIKE, YES, I CAN DO THIS. SO SHOULD IT BE THE SAME FINE. IF IT'S GONNA BE PLANTED ART TOO AS A VERSE. UH, APARTMENTS. A TREE IS A TREE. YEAH. IT'S GONNA BE, WELL, I'M THINKING HOW DEVELOPMENT FOR A RESIDENTIAL THEY COULD HAVE GONE ANYWAY, BUT IF IT WAS AN APARTMENT, HOUSE, TREES WOULD'VE BEEN LEFT. MM-HMM. . YEAH. I, I WOULD LIKE JUST TO HAVE IT THE STRAIGHT, SO THE PENALTY AND HAVE THEM COME TO YOU IF YOU, IF YOU ALL WANNA LOWER IT DURING SAYING CAN'T CUT 'EM DOWN TO SAYING THEY GOTTA GO THROUGH THE PROCESS YEAH. TO CUT TO GET THERE. SO THAT'S FINE. I RECOMMENDATION FOR SURE IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH OKAY. SOMETHING YOU THINK THAT COULD FLY. I WILL GIVE IT A TRY IF I MAY ADD OR ASK QUESTIONS. MM-HMM. YOU SHOULD WE NOT ADDRESS UNLESS WE DON'T WANT TO, UM, SOMEHOW PUT VERBIAGE IN THERE TO NOT LET IT BE CUT DOWN WITHOUT GETTING A TREE SURVEY DONE. YOU KNOW? YEAH. THAT, THAT NEEDS, THEY GOTTA DO ALL THESE THINGS OR THEY'RE GONNA INCUR THAT. YEAH. WE'VE ALREADY GOT EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED. AND CERTAINLY IF HE CAME IN WITH THE, THE PLA AND HE SAID, ALL THESE TREES ARE GOING TO BE KILLED BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT. I GO UP THREE FEET, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE REQUIRED A TREE SURVEY. THEY WOULD'VE SAID, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. THE WAY THE ORDER IS RE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT REQUIRE TREE SURVEY. NO, IT DOESN'T. NO PROBLEM. THAT'S WHAT I DID. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU JUST FIX THAT RIGHT NOW SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE TREES, SO NO, THEY PLANT THOSE LITTLE PUNY ONES OR CREATE MYRTLES OR SOMETHING. YEAH. I STAND BY WHAT I JUST YEAH. YEAH. IT SEEMS LIKE WE NEED TO UPDATE THAT. MOST DEFINITELY. WE NEED TO REVISIT HER TREE ORDINANCE AND TO RESIDENTS, YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. MORE AND MORE RESIDENTS ARE FINE AND DANDY WITH CLEAR CUTTING OR NOT HAVING ANY TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY. IT'S GONNA HIT ME WITH A HURRICANE THAT DON'T LIVE WITH A HURRICANE. I DON'T, THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER SOAPBOX. IT'S, AND IT ISN'T JUST THAT, BUT UM, I KNOW THE LEGISLATURE HATES IT. CITIES THAT TELL PEOPLE CAN'T, THEY CAN'T CUT DOWN TREES ON THEIR PROPERTY. YEAH. SO THE INSURANCE, LET'S NOT GIVE THEM FUEL TO COME AFTER US. . WE NEED TO HIDE FROM THE LEGISLATURE. , HEY, WE'RE GONNA BE 30,000. MAKE SENSES. IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT HERE. I KEEP FEELING LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET THAT IN THIS TOWN RIGHT NOW, MONEY WISE, ORDINANCE WISE, IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT. AND I'M AMAZED BY THE BLIND EYE. SOME PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO THAT. WE'RE GONNA BE 30,000 NEXT CENSUS AND IT'S GONNA CHANGE A LOT OF Y'ALL'S UNFORTUNATE YES. JOBS. YES. IT'LL CHANGE, IT'LL CHANGE THE CITY STAFFS. YEAH. IT'S IT'S GONNA BE. AND I, I JUST FEEL LIKE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE SHRUB OFF SEEM TO BE FORGETTING THAT ONCE WE HIT 30,000 PEOPLE, WE DON'T GET AS MUCH FREE WILL AND MONEY LITTLE ON EVERYTHING ELSE. SO I, SO NOW YOU GOT IT A COUPLE TIMES TO COME TALK. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO ADD? NO, I THINK IT'S ALBERT. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE SOMETIMES THE ONLY TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED HAS HAPPENED PREVIOUSLY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THIS WILL STOP THAT. THAT'S ALL I'M LOOKING FOR. HAMMER OF THO HAS COME DOWN. MM-HMM. . WELL SAID. CAN [01:05:01] WE START CALLING MODESTO TEDDY WALK SOFTLY AND CARE OF THE BEATS? DICK? I I I JUST WANT TO GET OUR CLARIFICATION, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING HERE. WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE ARE, AND A DETERRENT THAT IS WHATEVER THE VOLUME IS AND PRETTY MUCH YOU'RE GONNA TAKE AWAY WITH THAT AND CHANGE THE VERBIAGE. BUT WHAT I'M NOT HEARING IS IN THAT SAME, YOU KNOW, UH, MODIFICATION THAT AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE TREES SURVEY HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. BECAUSE LIKE SAL ALLUDED TO, IF YOU JUST HAVE A DETERRENT AND HAVE THE SAME THING THAT THEY COULD COME IN WITH A PLA BUT THERE'S NO VERBIAGE THAT SAYS THAT. OKAY. YOU KNOW, DO YOU ALL WANT TREE SURVEYS FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, NOT INTEL, BUT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS OR DEVELOPMENT, YOU GOT SOME CRITERIA FOR ONE, SOME SIGN DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE SAYING TREE SURVEYS FOR REPLANTS OR OUR NEW PLANTS. YEAH. YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF COLUMN IN THE, IN THE FRIENDLY ASPECT OF, OF CITIES VERSUS DEVELOP. UH, WHICH IS ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING LAKE JACKSON IS NOT A FRIEND, A FRIENDLY DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM. THEY SAY THAT ABOUT ALL TOWNS AND THEN THEY SAY, OH, YOU'RE SO MUCH BETTER THAN OTHER TOWNS. WELL, WHAT HAPPENED? THE FACT IS IF YOU SAY YOU 40 ACRE TRACK ARE GONNA HAVE TO COME IN THERE WITH A TREE SURVEY TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAUGHT FOR THAT'S GONNA BLOW 'EM OUT OF THE WATER BEFORE EVERY NEW PLANT FOR A 48. HOW MANY LARGE, HOW MUCH LARGE PROPERTY DID WE HAVE LEFT? WELL, WE GOT, UH, WE GOT, OH, WE HAVE ALVIN LEGS GUYS, WE GOT ALL OF THEM. ALDEN LEGS DOESN'T HAVE THIS CANOPY. OH. I MEAN THEY WERE USING IT AS PASTURE LAND. SO IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DO A TREE SURVEY ON THAT ONE. I WONDER ABOUT THE OLD DOW FARM. JESUS, IS THAT EVER GONNA COME UP AVAILABLE? WHAT'S THE DOW? FARM? FARM. IT'S ALL THAT LAND AT THE END OF WHAT'S ROAD IS THIS WAY. GO ALL THE WAY TO, UH, 2004. OH, OKAY. ALL THOSE TREES. AND SO THAT'S MY ONLY THOUGHT IS THEY HAVE EXPERIMENTAL CATTLE. THEY'RE BURIED OUT THERE. THAT'S A PROTECTED NO. THAT WILL NEVER, THAT WILL NEVER BE, THAT WILL NEVER, YEAH. THAT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. THAT'S AN UNKNOWN SUPERFUND SITE. THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S SUPER FUN BURIED THERE. I CAN'T IMAGINE. NEVER, EVER. WOW. OH YEAH. THAT THEY NEED TO GO OUT THERE WITH THEIR GUIDER COUNTERS AND RADIOACTIVE THINGS AND JUST SEE THEY HAVE THEY GOOD THAT OR HAVE DEFINED THAT AS SANCTUARY. YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A FEDERAL. THAT'S A FEDERAL. THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY HAD TO, THEY HAVE, OF ALL THE STUFF THERE, THREE I, THEY TOOK SOMETHING SO THEY HAD TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK. IT'S GOOD. SO IT'S A FEDERAL STATUS. IT'S NOT FEDERAL. IT'S STATE RECOGNIZED, UH, BIRD WILDLIFE. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD RIGHT NOW IS ON THIS DISCUSSION, MY AGENDA. THIS WAS, WE'RE GOING BEYOND THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL. THE COUNCIL WAS JUST LOOKING AT, ARE YOU OKAY WITH A ADDING STRENGTHENING, YOU KNOW, THE FINE OR THE HAMMER TO, YOU KNOW, THE BIG STICK TEDDY, THEY WERE NOT ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS ON SURVEYING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT, THEN WE COULD SEE IF THEY WANT TO. BUT RIGHT NOW IT WAS JUST THE FINE WHEN THEY SAW THE FINE AND $500, THAT'S ALL STAFF COULD DO BASED ON, YOU KNOW, SHARING'S ADVICE. THEY WERE LIKE, THAT'S REALLY SEEMS INEFFICIENT. WE'RE NOT WORRYING ABOUT THE RAVAGE, WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A MOTION. WE ALL AGREE THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S NOT A MOTION. YOU JUST TOLD ME TO DO SOMETHING AND I'LL, I'LL GET THAT DONE. COOL. AWESOME. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS, THANK YOU SHERRY VERY MUCH. [6. SIGNATURE OF DOCUMENTS] UH, SIGNATURE OF DOCUMENTS. WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SIGN? UH, NO WE DON'T AT THIS TIME. ITEMS [7. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. JOHN? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TONIGHT. GARY, HELP MAN. I'M GOOD BOSS. I'M GOOD. MODESTO? NO SIR. ANYTHING NEW COMING? NO, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING. MR. WALTER KNOW BEFORE I WOULD. YOU'RE THE NEW GUY. SHERRY, ANYTHING FROM YOUR END? DID YOU KNOW WITH THAT BEFORE? DIDN'T KNOW THAT. OH. AND YOU LET S DO IT AND OLIVE GUARD THE SAME TIME. MATTER OF FACT, I SAW A, WE SEE UPDATES. . THAT'S WHERE Y'ALL SAW. NO, I HAVE NOT. [01:10:01] RIGHT. DAVID? ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT, MR. MR. RAIN OUT. YEAH. YOU'RE ON VACATION FOR A WEEK. I KNOW NOTHING. YOU'RE A SMART GUY. WE'RE LIKE YOUR STYLE. WHAT THE HELSTON? I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I LOST OPPORTUNITIES TO THAT. A COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE. JUST DAWN. ME. AM I STILL PRIVILEGED TO, OF COURSE YOU HAVE A PRIVILEGE TO SAY THE AGENDA. IT'S BASED ON THE AGENDA RIGHT HERE. CAN I PROCEED? SURE, YEAH. IS THIS FOUR PLUS ACRES? HE'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. I DUNNO IF THAT'S, I MEAN, HE'S NOT HERE LITERALLY. WELL, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO, UM, WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS YOUR RANGE ON THAT PART OF LAKE JACKSON? CAUSE I WOULD GO AHEAD . IT'S ALONG THE LINE OF, UM, EVERYONE HAS SOME SAFETY CONCERN AND I THINK THAT JUST DAWNED ME THAT REALLY SOMETHING REALLY SERIOUSLY SAFETY CONCERN IS THAT A CROSSOVER THERE, UH, TIMED OUT IS THAT THIS SIDEWALK IS VERY, VERY WELL TROLLED AND WALKING QUITE A DISTANCE FROM OFF DIXIE DRIVE. AND YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE COMING INTO A DIXIE DRIVE, A VERY HIGH SPEED DIXIE ROOM. PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT HERE. WHAT ATTENTION WILL THEY INTO THE PEOPLE BIKING ALONG THE SIDEWALK OR PEOPLE WALKING OR TO SEE WHEN IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET ONTO DIXIE WITHOUT BEING HIT? YEAH. I THINK THAT ALL FACTORED INTO OUR RECOMMENDATION OF NOT, BUT THE PROBLEM IS YOU WRITE DOWN THE STREET RIGHT DOWN THERE, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT THAT WAS ALLOWED TO THE RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S A PRESS, IT'S A LOT SHORTER DRIVE THOUGH. THAT'S NOT YEAH. THEIR, THEIR, THEIR CAR BUMPER SITS OVER THAT SIDEWALK WHEN THEY PARK IN A DRIVEWAY. NO, I, I COULD SEE THAT AS A VERY HIGHLY PROBABLE AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD APPROVE IT ANYWAY, SO YEAH. JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS DONE SO. NO, NOTHING. ANNA, [8. SET NEXT MEETING DATE – Tuesday, December 6, 2022] WHEN'S OUR NEXT, ON TUESDAY, DECEMBER THE SIXTH. LET'S SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING THEN. EVERYBODY CHECK. SHE WAS STALKING ME EARLIER TODAY. I MAY HAVE AN ISSUE. ANYTHING FROM YOU LOCK YOU GOOD? I DO NOT. RIGHT. GOOD MAN. PHIL'S THREE. I'M JUST ONE PERSON. OH, DARN. GO CUBIES. GO. YOU'RE WHO? SO YOU'RE AN EXPOS FAN? YEAH, I'LL BE OUT OF TOWN THEN ON THE SIXTH. OH, OKAY. YOU YOUNG GUNS DON'T REMEMBER THE EXPOS. I UNDERSTAND. MATT, ARE YOU HERE THE SIXTH? I AM HERE THE SIXTH. AND PARTYING WITH MY FAVORITE FRIENDS. I'LL BE HERE SIX. SO AS LONG AS WE GOT IN JEFF FOR OKAY, WE'LL GOOD. JOHNNY FRY IS GOING BACK ON CONCERT TOUR. NO, NO. I'M GONNA BE HERE. OH, OKAY. HARRY'S THE ONE. OH, HARRY'S ON. OKAY. SAY I NEED TICKETS NEXT TIME YOU GO ON CONCERT TOUR. RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING IT HOOK ME UP. GOT YOU COVERED. SEEMS BAD. WE GOT COVERED. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S NOTHING ELSE. WE'RE DONE. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. WHAT DOCUMENTS DO WE HAVE THIS MORNING? * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.