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BE, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE.ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA GO GET STARTED HERE.
UH, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME OVER ONE TO
[Call to Order]
TONIGHT'S MEETING OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 7TH, 2022.THIS IS REGULAR SESSIONS BEGINNING AT 6:30 PM AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
UH, WE'LL BEGIN THE EVENING WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, LED BY COUNCILMAN JOHN BAKER, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO REPUBLIC ONE NATION UNDER GOD LIBERTY, JUST TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE.
THIS EVENING WILL BE BY CARLA CHRISTMAN.
COULD YOU PLEASE VALUE HEAVENLY FATHERED? WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSINGS ON THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN CALLED TO LEAD IN OUR COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY.
HELP THEM AS LEADERS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT ARE SO DIFFICULT AND SO CHALLENGING.
GIVE THEM THE WISDOM TO KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD WANT THEM TO DO.
GIVE THEM THE STRENGTH OF FOLLOW THROUGH.
AND HELP US, LORD, TO UNDERSTAND THE VERY CHALLENGES THAT THEY ARE FACE.
GRANT THEM AND US THE WISDOM AND COURAGE TO KNOW WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD AND TRUE.
MAY WE ALL SPEAK OUT WHEN IT'S TIME TO SPEAK OUT AND LISTEN PATIENTLY AND RECEPTIVELY.
WHEN IT IS OUR TIME TO LISTEN, MAY WE ALWAYS BE GUIDED BY THE SPIRIT OF COMMUNITY, BY THE SPIRIT OF JUSTICE, AND BY THE SPIRIT OF LOVE.
WE ASK THIS IN YOUR SON'S NAME, AMY.
[VISITORS COMMENTS]
NEXT ITEM ON THE, UH, AGENDA IS VISITORS COMMENTS.AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE, ANY AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, EITHER CONSENT OR REGULAR AGENDA.
UNDERSTANDING THAT IN DOING SO, SINCE IT'S NOT AN AGENDA, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION OTHER THAN POSSIBLY PUTTING IT ON AN AGENDA IN A FUTURE AGENDA.
SO, UM, GARY, YOU'VE GOT A CHECK AND A X OR YOU'RE GOOD.
AND, UH, MS. WILLIAMS, YOU'RE DOWN FOR VISITORS COMMENTS? YES.
I'M SUE WILLIAMS. I LIVE AT 1 25 MESQUITE LAKE JACKSON.
I JUST REALLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FOR MISS SETH.
HAVE YOU, SINCE YOU'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL, HAVE YOU EVER REPORTED SOMEONE FOR VIOLATING OUR CITY CODES OR ORDINANCES? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
AND AT THE LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 17TH, YOU STATED THAT YOU HAD NEIGHBORS THAT HAD RABBITS AND YOU DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL THEY TOLD YOU.
DID YOU REPORT THEM? NO, I WAS NOT ON CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.
BUT YOU, YOU WERE A CITIZEN, RIGHT? YES.
SO WELL, BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER, WHERE'S THIS GOING? I, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SUPPOSED TO BE COMMON AND NOT A CONVERSATION.
YOU IN A CONVERSATION, WE CAN PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
UH, ANY OTHER FURTHER COMMENTS? I DON'T HAVE ANYONE ELSE LISTED FOR VISITORS COMMENTS.
[PRESENTATIONS]
TO PRESENTATIONS.OH, WE EVEN GOT A MAGIC MIC NOW, HUH? MAGIC
HEY, IS HE'S, HE'S IN CITY GREEN AT THAT MICROPHONE IS WATCHING ON MODEST.
OH, HE DIDNT LIKE BILL TODAY, HUH? SHELTER THAT WAS NAMED, THE DOG WAS NAMED NAKED.
AND SO WE HAD USED TO DO FUNDRAISERS TO DO WALKS.
AND SO THE JOKE WAS, THEY, THEY TRIED TO DO AN ADVERTISEMENT, COME OUT AND JOIN US FOR THE WALK AND WATCH THE WALK NAKED.
THAT WAS, WE DIDN'T USE IT CAUSE NO WOULD SHOW UP.
THIS IS A PROCLAMATION, AND THE FIRST ONE IS GOING TO BE, UH, YES, THIS GUYS ALL RIGHT.
PROCLAMATION I, GERALD ROSKI, BY VIRTUE OF AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
DUE HERE BY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 13TH, 2022.
ASK BRAS, WOOD BUCCANEER, GIRLS AND BOYS WATER POLO TEAM DAY.
I HAVE TWO PROCLAMATIONS TO READ.
I'LL READ THIS, READ THE SPECIFICS FOR EACH ONE OF THEM.
WHEREAS BRASSWOOD LADY BUCCANEERS GIRLS WATER POLO TEAM, WHERE THE FIRST EVER UNIVERSITY
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OF INTER INTER SCHOLASTIC LEAGUE WATER POLO STATE RUNNING RUNNERS UP IN THE JOSH DAVIS NATATORIUM IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS ON OCTOBER 29TH, 2022, DOMINATING THEIR OPPONENTS ALL SEASON EARNING OUTSTANDING RECORD OF 24 WINS AND FOUR LOSSES.WHEREAS THE BRAS WOOD LADY BUCCANEER GIRLS TEAM, LED BY COACH ROBERT BROWN AND ASSISTANT COACH KYLE HAER, ACHIEVED GREAT SUCCESS BY PLAYING AGGRESSIVE AND DISCIPLINED THROUGHOUT, THROUGHOUT THE 2022 SEASON.
WHEREAS THE BRIDES WOOD GIRLS TEAM IS MADE UP OF MANY TALENTED AND DIVERSE YOUNG WOMEN WHO HAVE SELFISHLY CONTRIBUTED TO UNPRECEDENTED SUCCESS THAT THE LADY BUCCANEERS LADY BUCKS HAVE ACHIEVED.
AND WHEREAS THE TITLE MARKS THE FIRST EVER BRASSWOOD LADY, BUCCANEER GIRLS WATER POLO TEAM, U I L STATE RUNNERS UP IN THE SCHOOL'S HISTORY AND THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND NOW THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 13TH, 2222 AS BRAD WOOD LADY BUCCANEERS GIRLS WATER POLO TEAM DAY IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, STEP AROUND AND BEING BEHIND HERE.
I HAVEN'T HELD A, I HAVEN'T HELD A STATE'S CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY
I GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT THESE THINGS, ESPECIALLY ON THESE CHAMPIONSHIP DEALS LIKE THIS, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM FOR BRAS WOOD FOOTBALL IN 74, AND, UH, WE HAD SOME AWESOME COACHES JUST LIKE Y'ALL HAVE.
AND, UH, COACHES ARE SO IMPORTANT IN YOUR LIFE AS YOU'RE GROWING UP, THINGS THAT THESE GUYS HAVE TAUGHT YOU AND HELPED YOU LEARN ON HOW TO BE A GOOD CITIZEN AND GOOD TEAM PLAYER WILL LAST YOU YOUR LIFETIME.
ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS, UH, I'M GONNA READ THE, THE DETAILS AGAIN.
THIS IS FOR, UM, THE BRASSWOOD BUCKER BOYS WATER POLO TEAM DAY, AND AGAIN, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2022.
WHEREAS THE BRAS WOOD BUCCANEER BOYS WATER POLO TEAM WON THE FIRST EVER UNIVERSITY OF ASTIC LEAGUE WATER POLO STATE CHAMPIONSHIP AT THE JOHN DAVIS NATATORIUM IN SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS ON OCTOBER 29TH, 2022, DOMINATING THEIR OPPONENTS ALL SEASON, EARNING A PERFECT SCORE OF 28 WINS AND ZERO LOSSES.
WHEREAS THE WATER POLO TEAM LED BY HEAD COACH ROBERT BROWN AND ASSISTANT COACH KYLE HAER, UH, ACHIEVED GREAT SUCCESS BY PLAYING AGGRESSIVE THROUGHOUT THE 2022 SEASON.
AND WHEREAS THE TEAM IS MADE UP OF MANY TALENTED AND DIVERSE YOUNG MEN WHO HAVE SELFISHLY CONTRIBUTED TO THE SUCCESS THAT THE BRA THAT THE BUCKS HAVE ACHIEVED, WHEREAS THIS TITLE MARKS THE FIRST EVER BRAS WOOD BOYS WATER POLO TEAM U I CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE SCHOOL'S HISTORY AND IN THE HISTORY OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
NOW, THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, CITY LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIMED NOVEMBER 13TH, 2022 AS BRAS WOODB BUCKER DAY BRA BRAS, WOOD, BUCKER BOY WATER POLO TEAM DAY IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON OHS.
THIS WE'LL SIGNS YOUR GOOD SET.
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WHY TWO? YEAH, THERE'S MARRIED TO A PHOTOGRAPHER FOR A THIS WAY, A BIT MORE TALKING.
THERE, WE THERE WE GOOD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU WANNA TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPETITION? JUST HOW THE, THE DAY WIN, OR IT WAS, WE HAD MICROPHONE.
WE EXPECT WE EXPECT YOU TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL SEASON, BUT YOU, THEY CAN EXPECT, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE RUN WE DID.
SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS FOR, YOU KNOW, THE GUYS WHEN I REMEMBER SOME OF 'EM IN JUNIOR HIGH TALKING ABOUT IT, AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR SENIOR YEAR BEING, YOU KNOW, GONNA BE A SPECIAL YEAR.
AND THEY, THEY SURE TURNED IT INTO THAT.
SO IT SO AWESOME THIS FIRST YEAR.
THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR THAT WATER POLO WAS U I SECTION.
IT WAS JUST A LIKE A CLUB SPORT TYPE THING PRIOR, AND, AND IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 50 YEARS, BUT IT'S THE FIRST YEAR FOR U I THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY COOL.
TO BE THE FIRST EVER STATE CHAMPIONS FOR THE BOYS.
HOW DOES IT FEEL TO SET THE STANDARD FOR EVERYBODY TO FOLLOWS
ALL RIGHT, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.
UH, NEXT WE HAVE, UH, CHRIS SWISHER.
THAT'S KIND OF HARD TO FOLLOW.
THANK YOU FOR ALLOTTING TIME ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING FOR THIS.
UH, DURING THE REFUGE FOR WOMEN ANNUAL GALA ON OCTOBER 27TH, WE PRESENTED FOUR AWARDS.
ONE OF THOSE WAS THE COMMUNITY PARTNER OF THE YEAR AWARD.
EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE DISCOVERED THROUGH OUR RESEARCH THAT SEX APPEARED TO BE FOR SALE IN FOUR MASSAGE BUSINESSES HERE IN LAKE JACKSON.
THIS ACTIVITY IS NOT ONLY ILLEGAL UNDER STATE LAW, IT'S A COMMUNITY HEALTH HAZARD HARMS LEGITIMATE MASSAGE BUSINESSES, AND ALMOST CERTAINLY INVOLVES TRAFFICKING VICTIMS. WE SUBMITTED THIS RESEARCH TO THE MAYOR WHO WENT INTO ACTION.
HE ENGAGED THE LAKE, LAKE JACKSON CITY STAFF AND CITY COUNCIL TO DRAFT AND TO PASS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ORDINANCE TO REGULATE MASSAGE BUSINESSES, PLACING RESTRICTIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION, AND ELIMINATING BLACKOUT WINDOWS AND OTHER THINGS THAT CONCEAL ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
THE ORDINANCE WAS PASSED ON OCTOBER 3RD.
THE REFUGE FOR WOMEN COMMUNITY PARTNER OF THE YEAR FOR 2022 IS LAKE JACKSON, CITY MAYOR ROSKI CITY COUNCIL, AND THE CITY STAFF WHO CONTRIBUTED TO THE ORDINANCE.
I WAS REALLY GLAD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN, UH, FOR THE CITY.
AND, UH, I'M HOPING THAT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL WE'LL BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE ACROSS SOUTHERN MISSOURI COUNTY.
I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT'S ALREADY STARTED IN NORTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY, AND, UH, YES.
IT'S, IT'S A GROWING ISSUE IN SOUTHERN MISSOURI COUNTY.
WE NEED TO HIT THIS HEAD ON, SO THIS IS GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
WHEN WE ANNOUNCED THE AWARD, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO WERE FROM NORTH TEXAS, UH, WHO WERE THERE AS GUEST SPEAKERS, IMMEDIATELY STOOD AND APPLAUDED.
UH, EVERYONE WAS APPLAUDING, BUT THIS WAS AN UNEXPECTEDLY ENTHUSIASTIC RESPONSE FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN LIVE HERE.
AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THEY'D BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH A STATE REPRESENTATIVE AND THEIR OWN MAYOR THERE IN LOUISVILLE ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF TRAFFICKING IN MASSAGE BUSINESSES.
SO IT WAS A HAPPY COINCIDENCE.
I SHARED THE LAKE JACKSON ORDINANCE WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FROM OUR NORTH TEXAS SITE, AND SHE HAS ALREADY SHARED IT WITH THE MAYOR.
SO YOU CAN, YOUR, YOUR WORK IS GOING TO BE LEVERAGED FARTHER, FARTHER THAN YOU REALIZE.
AND STAFF, UH, YEAH, I CAN SEE'S MYS YOU,
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GO FROM HERE,
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I'LL BE A LAWYER.WE ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
ARE WE GONNA TAKE JOSE? WE TAKE HOLD THESE? YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
I'LL GO AHEAD, SPEAK TO THIS, AND THEN WHILE I'M SITTING DOWN, JOSE CAN COME UP.
SO, NEXT, UH, IS PRESENTATION ON COMPENSATION STATE.
JOSE SANCHEZ, OUR HR DIRECTOR.
HOW YOU DOING TODAY? MAYOR? COUNCIL DOES IT, MAN.
WE HAVE, UH, LAURIE MESSER HERE FROM LOGIC COMP GROUP, AND THAT'S THE COMPANY WE, WE ENGAGED TO DO THE COMP STUDY FOR US.
AND SHE'S GONNA GO OVER THE RESULTS HERE FOR YOU.
LET ME SEE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT I CAN, UH, THERE WE GO.
UH, MY, AS JOSE MENTIONED, MY NAME IS LORI MESSER.
I AM THE MANAGING DIRECTOR OF LOGIC COMPENSATION GROUP.
UM, WE ENGAGED WITH, UM, THE CITY TO DO A COMPENSATION STUDY.
I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR, I BELIEVE THIS MIGHT BE MY THIRD STUDY WITH THE CITY.
UM, SO, SO, UM, IT WAS GOOD TO WORK WITH THEM AGAIN.
TODAY, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT HOW, UM, THE PROCESS WORKED FOR THIS STUDY.
I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE FOUND AND WHAT WE WERE RECOMMENDING MOVING FORWARD.
SO, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BACKGROUND.
UM, WE, UM, INITIALLY, SORRY, PUT MY GLASS, I CAN'T SEE MY PAPER, BUT I CAN SEE THAT, UM, WE WERE ENGAGED WITH THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT BASE PAY AND SEE HOW THE CITY'S BASE PAY PROGRAM COMPARES TO THE MARKET.
UM, THE GOAL WAS TO ENSURE THAT, UM, THE CITY WAS AT LEAST AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET.
UM, ULTIMATELY THE GOAL BEING TO GET TO THE 65TH AND HOPEFULLY ONE DAY TO THE 75TH PERCENTILE, WHICH IT WAS BACK PRIOR TO THE, UM, 2008 RECESSION.
SO, TO START OFF THE MEETING, UM, TO START OFF THE STUDY, WE MET WITH THE CITY TO CONFIRM WHAT THEIR PHILOSOPHY WAS, WHICH I JUST STATED, UH, WAS TO BE AT LEAST AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, UM, GOAL TO ACHIEVE THE 65TH AND ULTIMATELY IN THE FUTURE TO BE BACK AT THE 75TH PERCENTILE.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT COMPARATOR ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS BENCHMARK JOBS.
UM, WE CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT FROM THE PRIOR STUDIES, SO WE COULD BE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES TO HAVE A TRUE SENSE OF HOW THE MARKET HAS MOVED OVER TIME.
SO THERE'S BASICALLY THREE MAIN PHASES TO THE STUDY.
FIRST WAS THE INITIATION CALL WITH THE CITY AND THE CONFIRMATION OF THE CITY'S PHILOSOPHY.
THEN WE DID, UM, THE ACTUAL MEET OF THE STUDY OF GATHERING THE DATA AND ANALYZING IT.
AND THEN WE PRESENTED THIS FINAL REPORT.
SO THE KEY, UM, PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS INITIALLY, UM, CONFIRMING THE CITY'S PAY PHILOSOPHY.
NEXT WAS TO IDENTIFY THE LABOR MARKET.
WHO DOES THE CITY COMPETE WITH FOR TALENT, AS WELL AS WHAT JOBS ARE WE GONNA BENCHMARK? AND WE MAINTAIN CONSISTENCY WITH THE PREVIOUS STUDIES THAT WE HAVE DONE THE PAST TWO TIMES.
THEN WE DEVELOPED, UM, AN ACTUAL SURVEY INSTRUMENT THAT WE SENT OUT TO THE COMPARATOR ORGANIZATIONS.
ONCE WE RECEIVED THEIR DATA BACK, WE VALIDATED IT, MADE SURE THAT IT WAS ACCURATE, AND THE MATCHES WERE GOOD.
AND THEN WE CAME UP WITH SOME RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, AS WELL AS A PLAN TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM OVER TIME.
SO WE WENT OUT AND WE SURVEYED FOR ALL OF THE JOBS.
UM, WE SURVEYED 20 ORGANIZATIONS, UM, IN THE REGIONAL AREA.
IN ADDITION TO THOSE 24 DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS, UM, WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL FIVE THAT WERE MORE THE SIZE OF LAKE JACKSON.
AND THEN WE ALSO, UM, WENT OUT AND GATHERED SOME ADDITIONAL DATA FROM FOUR OTHER CITIES ON THE RE REFUSE DRIVERS.
THEN WE, UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND WE PROVIDED THIS UNDER SEPARATE COVER TO THE STUDY, UH, TO THE CITY.
WE DID ALSO, UM, PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION ON MARKET DATA FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT WAS PROVIDED UNDER SEPARATE COVER.
SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE, UM, SURVEYED, THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS TO BE WITHIN NO LESS THAN HALF THE
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CITY'S SIZE, NO MORE THAN TWICE THE CITY SIZE AS A GENERAL RULE.BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT RULE DOESN'T ALWAYS TAKE PLACE.
IF YOU HAVE A CITY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF THOSE PARAMETERS, THEY'RE STILL, YOU'RE COMPETING WITH THEM FOR TALENT.
SO THIS IS JUST SOME DATA ON THAT.
UM, THE NEXT THING THAT WE DID IS, UM, WHEN WE IDENTIFIED THE COMPARATOR ORGANIZATIONS, OUR QUESTION IS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPARING WHEN LOOKING AT PAY, THAT WE'RE COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND IN DIFFERENT AREAS, THE COST OF LABOR IS DIFFERENT.
SO WE WANNA ACCOUNT FOR THAT WHEN WE ANALYZE THE DATA.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE APPLY A GEOGRAPHIC FACTOR TO THE DATA.
ANYTHING THAT'S GREATER THAN A HUNDRED PERCENT MEANS THAT WE INCREASED THEIR PAY BY A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE, ANYTHING LESS THAN A A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UM, WE, UM, DECREASE THEIR, UM, DATA BY THAT PERCENTAGE.
FOR THE MOST PART, THEY ALL TRENDED AROUND A HUNDRED PERCENT.
SO IT DIDN'T MAKE, UM, A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.
BUT WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER AREAS, IT DID FOR THE, LIKE, RE REFUSE DRIVERS AND WHY NOT? SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, IDENTIFYING BENCHMARK JOBS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COVERING AT LEAST 50% OF THE EMPLOYEE POPULATION.
SO WE HAVE, UM, A GOOD AMOUNT AND WE'RE HITTING, UM, AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES.
WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT TO SURVEY JOBS, THAT WE'RE DOING JOBS THAT ARE COMMON IN THE MARKET, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT COMING IN THE MARKET, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET MATCHES AND IT BECOMES A WASTE OF BENCHMARK.
UM, WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GATHER DATA ON JOBS AT ALL LEVELS OF THE ORGANIZATION FROM THE MOST ENTRY LEVEL TO THE MOST SENIOR LEVEL AND ACROSS THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AT THE ORGANIZATION.
SO WE ENDED UP, UM, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD DONE IN PRIOR STUDIES, BENCHMARKING 55 JOBS.
UM, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN, UM, SOME ADS OR DELETES, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY.
BUT, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, THESE JOBS WERE THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS STUDY.
WHEN WE PUT TOGETHER THE SURVEY INSTRUMENT, UM, AND SENT IT OUT TO THE COMPARATORS, WE WERE ASKING FOR INFORMATION LIKE, WHAT IS YOUR ORGANIZATION'S JOB TITLE? UM, WHAT ARE THE BASE HOURS WORKED? CUZ WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS CONSISTENCY THERE.
HOW LONG HAVE THE PEOPLE, YOUR, THE INCUMBENTS BEEN IN THE JOB? UH, WHAT IS YOUR SALARY RANGE? IS THE JOB EXEMPT OR NON-EXEMPT? IN OTHER WORDS, ELIGIBLE FOR OVERTIME OR NOT? HOW MANY INCUMBENTS DO YOU HAVE IN THAT JOB? AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE ACTUAL SALARY OF INCUMBENTS IN THAT JOB? ONCE WE GOT THE DATA BACK, WE, UM, VALIDATED IT.
WE DO OUTLIER ANALYSIS, WE FOLLOW UP, MAKE PHONE CALLS WITH, UM, THE COMPARATIVE ORGANIZATIONS IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE DATA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ACCURATE INFORMATION.
THE NEXT SEVERAL SLIDES ARE KIND OF AN EYE CHART, AND I'M NOT GONNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THESE BECAUSE I HAVE SOME GRAPHICS THAT WILL AND, AND A SUMMARY THAT WILL TELL YOU ALL OF THIS DETAIL.
BUT WHAT THESE CHARTS SHOW IS WE TOOK A LOOK AT HOW DOES THE CITY'S MIDPOINT COMPARE TO THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET, AS WELL AS THE 65TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET, KNOWING THAT ULTIMATELY THAT IS EVENTUALLY WHERE THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO BE.
SO THERE'S SEVERAL SLIDES ON THIS, UM, BUT THIS IS JUST THE DETAIL I'M GONNA SHARE WITH YOU THE SUMMARY AND THE GRAPHS THAT BASICALLY TELL THE SAME STORY.
THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE CLEARER.
UM, I WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UM, UH, POLICE JOBS IN A, IN A MOMENT IN THE, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE OVERALL FINDINGS.
BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FINDINGS, THIS, UM, IS A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WHEN YOU, WE REFER TO A MARKET INDEX, A MARKET INDEX OF A HUNDRED PERCENT MEANS THAT YOU'RE SPOT ON WITH THE MARKET.
IDEALLY, YOU WANT YOUR MARKET INDEX TO BE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 90% AND 110%.
SO IT'S PLUS OR MINUS 10% OF THE MARKET.
ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT 10%, YOU START TO BECOME FURTHER, UM, MISALIGNED WITH THE MARKET AND YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, CORRECTIVE ACTION IN THOSE AREAS.
THAT BEING SAID, UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE NON-SWORN JOBS, UM, THOSE ARE THE GENERAL POPULATION.
THEY'RE NOT YOUR POLICE OFFICERS AND WHATNOT.
UM, WE FOUND THAT AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, THE CITY IS IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
THEY'RE TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.
THEY'RE LEADING THE MARKET BY 2.5% CUZ WE'VE GOT A MARKET INDEX OF 102.5% AND THE CITY IS NOT TOO FAR OFF THE MARK WHEN IT COMES TO THE 65TH PERCENTILE.
EITHER THEY'RE LAGGING THE MARKET BY 2.9%.
SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET AND THE 65TH, IT'S NOT REALLY A 15% DIFFERENCE.
UM, IT'S, IT'S USUALLY MUCH LESS THAN THAT.
AND THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.
NOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SWORN JOBS, THE POLICE OFFICERS,
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UM, AND THAT, UH, RANK AND FILE WITHIN THE POLICE, UM, WE FOUND THAT AT THE RANGE MINIMUM, THE CITY WAS LAGGING THE MARKET BY 5.7%.CUZ YOU HAVE A MARKET INDEX OF 94.3.
UM, AT THE MAXIMUM AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, THE CITY IS ALSO LAGGING BY TWO AND A HALF PERCENT.
UM, THEN WE LOOKED AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE, UH, RANGE MINIMUM.
AND THE CITY IS LAGGING BY 90%.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST BORDER, IT'S 89.9% IS THE MARKET INDEX, WHICH IS REALLY JUST SLIGHTLY OVER THAT 10% THRESHOLD THAT YOU WANNA MAINTAIN.
AND THEN AT THE RANGE MAXIMUM, UM, THE CITY IS LAGGING BY 4.7%.
THE THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HERE IS WHEN UM, WE LOOK AT THE NON-SWORN, WHEN WE ANALYZE NON-SWORN DATA VERSUS SWORN DATA, WE ANALYZE IT DIFFERENTLY.
AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IN THE SWORN RANKS OF POLICE, UM, IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR SOMEONE TO START THEIR CAREER AS A POLICE OFFICER AND END IT AS A POLICE OFFICER BECAUSE THE NEXT RANK IS A SUPERVISORY POSITION.
NOT EVERYBODY ASPIRES TO BE A SUPERVISOR.
WE TEND TO SEE MORE LEVELS IN THE NON-SWORN RANKS WHERE IF YOU START OUT YOUR CAREER AS A RECEPTIONIST, ODDS ARE YOU MIGHT MOVE TO AN ADMIN ASSISTANT TO AN EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT, MAYBE A MANAGEMENT ASSISTANT.
SO WE TEND TO SEE MORE MOVEMENT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WITH REGARDS TO HOW WE LOOK AT, UM, THE DATA THERE.
SO WHAT DOES THIS ALL MEAN? SO THIS CHART IS A GOOD VISUAL OF HOW THE CITY COMPARES TO THE MARKET AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE FOR THE NON-SWORN JOBS.
SO THE YELLOW BARS INDICATE THE CITY'S MIDPOINTS FOR EACH OF THE RESPECTIVE GRADES.
UM, AND THE GREEN BARS REPRESENT THE MARKET 50TH PERCENTILE OF ACTUAL SALARIES.
SO WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS THERE'S VERY GOOD ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE CITY'S MIDPOINTS AND THE MARKET ACTUAL SALARIES AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE.
WE ALSO CREATED THE SAME CHART AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE.
AND ONCE AGAIN, AS WE WOULD EXPECT, GIVEN THE SUMMARY DATA THAT I SHARED, UM, THE CITY'S VERY CLOSELY ALIGNED WITH THE MARKET HERE AS WELL.
WHAT WE DID WANNA POINT OUT IS THERE WERE A FEW JOBS THAT WERE MISALIGNED WITH THE MARKET, UM, AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE IN GOOD SHAPE AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE.
AND KNOWING THAT THE GOAL IS ULTIMATELY TO GET TO THE 65TH, WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THOSE JOBS.
THERE WERE FOUR JOBS THAT WERE SIGNIFICANTLY MISALIGNED WITH THE MARKET, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY WERE MORE THAN PLUS OR MINUS 15% OFF THE MARKET.
THAT IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT MEAN THE SKY IS FALLING AND WE NEED TO MOVE THESE JOBS.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE REASONS BEHIND WHY, WHY WE MAY MIGHT SEE DISPARITIES IN THE DATA.
AND SO USUALLY THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION YOU START TO ANALYZE WHY IS THIS DATA DIFFERENT? UM, WHICH WE, UM, HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WITH STAFF.
THEN WE LOOKED AT, UM, AND I JUST REALIZED AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, UM, SLIDE SHOULD SAY THAT, UM, THESE ARE JOBS THAT ARE POTENTIALLY MISALIGNED WITH THE MARKET AND THEY'RE BETWEEN 10 AND 15% OFF THE MARKET.
AND THERE WERE ONLY THREE JOBS THERE, SO VERY GOOD.
UM, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU DO A STUDY, THE LAST STUDY, THESE JOBS WERE FINE.
THIS STUDY WE SEE THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT OFF THE MARKET.
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO MOVE THEM TODAY.
IT COULD BE JUST IN A MARKET ANOMALY, BUT IF YOU SEE THAT TREND WITH THE NEXT STUDY, YOU WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO, UM, ACT UPON IT.
OR IF YOU FIND THAT YOU'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH RECRUITING AND RETAINING, THEN WE HAD 39 JO JOBS AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE THAT WE'RE ALIGNED WITH MARKET.
UM, AGAIN, THIS JUST SHOWS AND IT'S AN EYE CHART I KNOW, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH.
BUT THE BIG THING IS THERE'S MORE JOBS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH THE MARKET AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE THAN THERE THAN ARE NOT.
THEN, UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE POLICE OFFICERS, UM, HERE WE SAW THAT AT THE, AND AGAIN, THIS IS AT THE 65TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET AT THE RANGE MINIMUM.
UM, THE CITY IS ALIGNED, UM, THEY'RE ABOUT 8.4% OFF AND AT THE RANGE MAXIMUM THEY'RE POTENTIALLY MISALIGNED CUZ WE WANNA WANNA BE WITHIN THAT 10% FOR THE SERGEANT.
UM, WE FOUND THAT IT IS POTENTIALLY MISALIGNED AT THE MINIMUM AND IS ALIGNED AT THE RANGE MAXIMUM.
AND SOMETIMES THAT'S A FUNCTION OF RANGE SPREAD THE DISTANCE BETWEEN A MINUTE AND A MAX.
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AT THAT AS WELL.WE ARE, UM, FOR, WE ARE MAKING SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MOVEMENT OF JOBS IN THE PAY STRUCTURE BASED ON THE DATA WE COLLECTED.
UM, AND THERE ARE FIVE JOBS IN WHICH WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE FOCUSED ON THOSE THAT WERE MORE THAN 15% OFF MARKET.
THERE'S ONE THAT IS SO BORDERLINE, IT'S LIKE HALF A PERCENT NOT THERE.
BUT WE DID, UM, RECOMMEND THAT THAT ACCOUNTING CLERK AS WELL BE MOVED IN THE SALARY SCHEDULE.
NOW KNOWING THAT THE CITY IS WELL ALIGNED AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE AND THE HOPE IS TO MOVE TOWARDS THE 65TH PERCENTILE OF THE MARKET, THE QUESTION BECOMES HOW DO WE GET THERE, UH, MOVING FORWARD, WHAT CAN WE DO BEFORE THE NEXT STUDY OCCURS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE, WHEN THE CITY DOES THE STUDY, THAT YOU WILL BE IN A GOOD POSITION.
AND WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING IS THAT OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, UM, WE KIND OF DO, UM, A STAIR STEP, UM, OF ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SALARY RANGES.
SO IN 2023, UM, EVERYTHING'S BEEN DONE FOR 2022 IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
BUT FOR 2023, WE ARE RECOMMENDING A 5% ADJUSTMENT TO THE PAY SALARY SCHEDULES.
THEN IN 2024, A 4%, AND THEN IN 2025, A 3%.
NOW THAT IS MOVING THE SALARY RANGES.
WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY MAINTAIN ITS CURRENT MERIT INCREASE, UM, STRATEGY OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 5% BASED ON PERFORMANCE.
UM, SO WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN PLACE.
THEN AFTER YEAR THREE, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY GO OUT AND, UM, DO ANOTHER SALARY SURVEY.
AND BASICALLY THIS SHOULD JUST BE A LITMUS TEST TO SEE, HEY, HAVE WE ACHIEVED WHAT WE HOPE TO ACHIEVE THROUGH THIS PROCESS? OKAY.
UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER ON THAT WE DID ASK SOME PAY PRACTICES QUESTIONS.
THOSE QUESTIONS WERE FOCUSED AROUND SALARY ADJUSTMENTS AND MERIT BUDGETS.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DIDN'T GET THE TIMING OF THE SURVEY, DIDN'T GET A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT DATA TO REPORT ON WHAT PROPOSED RANGE ADJUSTMENTS WERE GONNA BE.
WE ONLY GOT THROUGH YOUR ORGANIZATIONS TO RESPOND TO THAT, AND IT VARIED ANYWHERE BETWEEN EIGHT AND A HALF PERCENT, WHICH IS QUITE A BIT.
SO PRETTY BIG, UM, SPREAD THERE.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE, UM, HAD ALREADY MADE LARGE ADJUSTMENTS TO THEIR STRUCTURES, UM, IN LIGHT OF POST COVID, UM, POST PANDEMIC, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CALL IT THAT YET, BUT, UM, ONCE THE DUST SETTLED A LITTLE BIT AT LEAST.
UM, AND THEN WHEN WE LOOKED AT AVERAGE MERIT COLA INCREASES, UM, WE FOUND THAT, UM, THE AVERAGE WAS AROUND 3%, WHICH IS CONSISTENT, UM, WITH YOUR MERIT BUDGET ACTUALLY.
UM, WE GOT DATA FROM 14 OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE SURVEYED, WHICH WAS REALLY GOOD.
AND THE RANGE WAS ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 2%.
SO THEN, UM, WE HAVE SOME ADMINISTRATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND, UM, IN, IN THE PAST, THE CITY HAS, UM, TAKEN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO DO A, UM, TO ADJUST THEIR RANGES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AS WELL AS TO CONDUCT THIS TYPE OF A SURVEY EVERY THIRD YEAR.
AND CLEARLY STAFF HAS DONE, UM, AN EXCELLENT JOB IN LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
THEY'RE PRETTY, THE CITY'S PRETTY SPOT ON, AT LEAST AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, UM, WITH RESPECT TO LEVEL OF COMPETITIVENESS IN THE MARKET.
SO WE, UM, JUST RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY CONTINUE, UM, FOLLOWING THAT SAME PROCESS.
QUICK QUESTION ON THE, UH, PATH FORWARD.
IS THAT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT? WHAT, WHAT, UH, COST OF LIVING ARE YOU TAKING AN ACCOUNT FOR THAT? SO WHAT WE, HISTORICALLY WE'VE SEEN AROUND LIKE A 2%.
UM, BUT IT'S BEEN A LITTLE VOLATILE SHORT TIMES, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND SO IT'S REALLY HARD TO PREDICT.
UM, BUT BASED ON THE MOVEMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE LABOR CHALLENGES THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL FACING, UM, NOW SHOULD THE ECONOMY, UM, THE BUBBLE BURST OR WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU'D DEFINITELY WANNA RETHINK THAT.
BUT BASED ON TODAY, SO WE'RE KNOWING THAT THE CITY TODAY IS ABOUT 3% BELOW THE 65TH PERCENTILE, AND KNOWING THAT THEIR, THE SALARY RANGES HAVE HISTORICALLY ADJUSTED AT 2%.
WE'RE THINKING THAT THE SCHEDULE, THAT'S WHY THE SCHEDULE WOULD WORK.
AND SO THE PATH FORWARD WITH THE INFORMATION YOU PROVIDED TODAY IS WHEN WE TAKE THIS INTO THE STRATEGIC PLANNING? INTO STRATEGIC PLANNING AND ALSO, UM, ONCE WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS IN MARCH AND APRIL YEP.
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YEAH.FOR THE NEW FOLKS ON COUNCIL IS, UH, WE JUST GET OUT OF A BUDGET AND WE START WORKING ON NEW ONES.
SO THAT'S USUALLY HOW WE DO IT.
UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL SO FAR ON JUST WHAT WAS PRESENTED? GREAT.
WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LORI.
SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
AND THIS IS WHERE COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE WITH ANY AGENDA ITEM, BE IT CONSENT OR REGULAR.
IS THERE ANY CONFLICT TO DECLARE, NOT HEARING ANYTHING, ANYTHING? WE'LL MOVE FORWARD TO CONSENT
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.AGAIN, I'LL TRY TO ABBREVIATE THESE AS MUCH AS I CAN.
OCTOBER 17TH, 2022, EXCEPT BOARDS AND COMMISSION MINUTES.
UH, KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFUL.
AND PLANNERS, UH, ITEM THREE IS ADOPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 2 5 7 FOR LIMITED.
RIGHT, RIGHT TURN LANE ON DIXIE DRIVE.
SECOND READING ITEM FOUR, APPROVED RESOLUTION NUMBER 9 0 8 APPOINTING SALLY VIRE, UH, CITY SECRETARY AS THE CITY'S RECORDS MANAGEMENT OFFICER, GET A NEW BADGE AND EVERYTHING PROBABLY WITH THAT, UH, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, SO, UH, MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE.
AWARD BID TO SENTINEL, UH, AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING FOR THE RECREATION CENTER, AUDITORIUMS, DEHUMIDIFICATION SYSTEM, AND THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $588,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM SIX, APPROVE A PURCHASE OF NEW AMBULANCES BY MAC HEIGHT, DODGE BY TO NOT, NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF $235,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM SEVEN, UH, APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF NEW AMBULANCE CAB IN CHASSIS, UH, WITH PATIENT COMPARTMENT, UH, REMOUNT FROM MAC HEIGHT DODGE FOR THE AMOUNT TO NOT EXCEED $183,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM EIGHT APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF, UH, A MACOS S CBA.
I ALWAYS TRY TO CALL, CALL IT SCUBA.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, FILL STATION FOR, UH, FROM MARTIN MAROW, INCORPORATED NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF $63,000 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM NINE APPROVED PURCHASE OF TWO PD FORD EX, UH, INTERCEPTOR VEHICLES FROM, UH, ROCKDALE COUNTY, THE BUY BOARD NOT TO EXCEED $98,570 AS BUDGETED.
IS ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE AS PRESENTED.
A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN SETH AND SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN SINNIA.
ANY PHOTOS? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
[1. Consider request from BISD to hold a school parade for the Brazoswood Water Polo Teams at 1:00 p.m. on Sunday, November 13, 2022 – Karla Christman]
TO, UH, ITEM ONE.UH, CONSIDER REQUEST FROM B I S D TO HOLD A SCHOOL PARADE FOR THE BRAS WOOD WATER POLO TEAMS AT 1:00 PM ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13TH, 2022.
ANYBODY FROM SCHOOL WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? YOU'RE GONNA FOLLOW THE SAME PATH, CORRECT? OKAY.
ALL RIGHT, SECOND, YOU HAVE A MOTION.
UH, COUNCILMAN BAKER AND, UH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SINNIA.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? COUNSEL? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME CATCH UP HERE REAL QUICK.
[2. Discuss and consider full or partial closure of Huisache Street during construction from November 2022 to April 2023 – Bridge Tower Homes ]
FULL OR PARTIAL CLOSURE OF WE SAT STREET DURING CONSTRUCTION OF, FROM NOVEMBER, 2022 TO APRIL, 2023.WE, ANYBODY FROM CONSTRUCTION, SAL, DO YOU SEE ANYBODY FROM BRIDGE TERMS YOU WANNA TALK TO US ABOUT THIS? YES.
WE, UH, HAD SENT OUT A LETTER TO THE RESIDENCE AS COUNCIL QUE AT THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE, TO AT LEAST, UH, PRIMROSE STREET FROM COURT AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE? AND WE HAD GOTTEN, I THINK, TWO, UH, RESPONSES, UH, THAT WERE IN THE NEGATIVE.
UM, I SPOKE WITH ONE YOUNG LADY, A MOTHER, AND HER CONCERN WAS MORE OF THE CHANGING OF THE BUS ROUTE.
I THINK THAT WAS ACTUALLY THE OTHER REQUEST AS WELL.
WHAT WE'VE DONE IS STAFF IS GIVEN COUNSEL A ALTERNATE WHERE YOU CAN SEE, UM, MAINTAINS THE BSD BUS ROUTE BY ALLOWING, SO YOU WOULD CLOSE, WE SET HERE AT, IS THAT HOLLY?
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YES.BUT YOU WOULD KEEP OPEN PECAN.
SO THE BUS NORMALLY COMES DOWN HERE AND THEN TURNS, OR I, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTION THEY'RE, BUT THEY DO USE PECAN AND THEN THEY GO NORTH AND STUFF.
SO BY KEEPING THIS OPEN AND THEN THIS NORTHBOUND LANE, THIS BUS STOP CAN MAINTAIN.
AND THAT WAS REALLY THE REQUEST THAT WE HAD GOTTEN FROM THE, THE TWO TWO MOMS, UH, WERE ASKING FOR.
AND WE TALKED TO THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION AND HE SAID THAT THIS WOULD WORK FOR THEM.
SO YOU WOULD STILL BLOCK THE SOUTHBOUND LANE, THIS SIDE, THE RED SIDE.
SO THIS SIDE WOULD BE BLOCKED AND IT REALLY WOULD BE BLOCKED HERE.
SO I, I MEAN, OUR THINKING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY BLOCKS OFF MOST OF THE TRAFFIC.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS LAND IS UNDER CONSTRUCT.
THERE'S NO, AND I, I REALLY CAN'T IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD USE THIS AS A CUT THROUGH, BUT IT DOES MAINTAIN THE BUS ROUTE.
AND SO THAT'S AN OPTION FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? SO I GUESS NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, CLOSURE AND PARTIAL CLOSURE AS, UH, JUST REVIEWED.
THE BEING PROPOSED FROM NOVEMBER TO APRIL THAT GET 'EM, I MEAN, IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO DOING IT ON A ROLLING AND DO IT FOR A MONTH AND THEN ROLL IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S GONNA WORK? OR I GUESS WE CAN UNDO IT IF WE DO IT FOR SIX AND WE FIGURE OUT AFTER TWO WEEKS IT'S NOT WORKING, WE CAN JUST YES, WE, WE, YES, WE COULD EASILY, AND WE'LL PROBABLY GIVE THAT GUYS, THEY STILL HAVE TO SUBMIT TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU APPROVE IT SIGNAGE THAT SAL SIGNS OFF ON THAT, IT'S CORRECT THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THE SIGNAGE AND DIRECTIONAL, UH, TO THE PUBLIC.
AND WE CAN PUT THAT CAVEAT IN THERE.
IF IT'S NOT WORKING, WE CAN PULL IT AT AT ANY TIME.
SO YEAH, THEN THE WHOLE, I GUESS THE DOING IT FOR THE WHOLE LENGTH OF TIME DOESN'T BOTHER ME AS MUCH AS WE CAN PEEL IT BACK WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE.
AND THE PARTIAL, IF WE DO THE PARTIAL, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BUS ROUTE AT ALL.
YEAH, IT SAID, SO ONE SIDE WILL BE CLOSED AND THE OTHER SIDE WON'T BE CLOSED BY THE STREET.
AND THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE REALLY BIG REASON IF WE WANTED TO MONITOR IT TO SEE IF IT SOMEHOW DOES AFFECT.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSPORTATION IS IF THEY SEE ANY DISRUPTION, PLEASE LET US KNOW IMMEDIATELY.
AND I SUSPECT TOO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A, A STOP RIGHT HERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT CUZ THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KIDS ARE STACKED UP OUTSIDE OF ALL OF THIS ZONE ANYWAYS.
WHICH JUST HELPS THE BUS GET THEIR, WELL I THINK THERE'S SOME, THE LONGEST NORMAL PATH.
I THINK THERE'S SOME RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL JUST TO THE RIGHT.
BUT I THINK THEY'RE PICKED UP.
WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT SATELLITE PICTURE.
BUT I THINK REMEMBER LOOKING AT PICTURES.
THERE'S, THERE'S HOMES OVER HERE.
YEAH, I JUST REMEMBER IT WAS PICKING WHAT AREAS TO BE SURE WE ASKED.
SO IF WE MAKE THE BUS CAN'T COME DOWN, WE SAT PICK UP THESE KIDS AND THEN GO U-TURN.
IT'S JUST NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE THERE.
SO, SO NOW THE BUS IS GONNA COME THIS WAY.
DO THEY HAVE A, DID THEY HAVE AN IDEA ON HOW MANY KIDS WERE THEY PICKING UP IN THAT AREA? UH, I DON'T, I DUNNO, I DIDN'T HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
I WOULD SAY AT LEAST WE HAD HAD REACHED OUT BY TWO PARENTS OR AT LEAST TWO.
CONSIDER, UM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR YES, MY NAME IS GARY HUNTER, ONE 17 MESQUITE.
UM, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BLOCK DO THIS? BLOCK AID? YOU KNOW, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET.
I, I GET HOW YOU CAN BLOCK IT OFF AT UH, HOLLY, BUT UP AT THE OTHER END WITH THE BUS.
IF THE BUS COMES THROUGH THERE, HOW'S IT GONNA GET THROUGH IF IT'S BLOCKED GOING NORTH? WELL, ONLY ONE LANE'S GONNA BE BLOCKED.
THE OTHER LANE'S GONNA BE OPEN.
SO ONLY HALF THE STREET, UH, IN THAT SECTION THAT WE HAD THAT WAS, UH, GREEN.
I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE HALF ALL RIGHT.
AND THAT'S GONNA STOP VEHICLES FROM GOING AROUND IT.
I DON'T THINK THERE COULD BE PROBLEMS THERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION CAUSE I MANAGE A PROPERTY.
YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE.
FOUR 13 AZALEA AND ALSO AMERICAN REALTY.
SO ARE THEY GONNA BE PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE? THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE USING
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THEIR DRIVEWAY WHEN THEY'RE WORKING ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET? CORRECT.THE IDEA OF MY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PURPOSE OF CLOSING THE STREET IS THERE GONNA BE TRUCKS ALL UP AND DOWN THE STREET.
SO THE STREET'S GONNA BE BASICALLY FILLED UP WITH TRUCKS, CONTRACTOR TRUCKS CUZ THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
SO THEY'RE GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE POURING AND BUILDING LIKE A BUNCH OF ANTS.
SO IT'S GONNA BE FULL VEHICLES.
PEOPLE ARE, I CAN'T PAY MY RENT BECAUSE I CAN'T GET OUT OR GO WORK OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
BUT THEY'LL BE STILL BE EXITS HERE AND THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GO DOWN.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GO, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO EXIT THIS WAY DOWN, DOWN THIS ROAD THIS WAY.
THEY WON'T BE ABLE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO NORTH AND THEN GET TO THAT WAY.
SO THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THIS RIGHT.
THEY OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT PRETTY QUICK.
AND AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE'LL JUST HAVE TO MONITOR AND SEE IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
AND MY COUNCILMAN, UH, WAS SAYING IS THAT WE'LL JUST, UH, IT'LL ADJUST IF WE HAVE TO.
HEY, CAN Y'ALL JUST MAKE SURE BEFORE WE PUT IT IN, BEFORE THE ROADBLOCK GOES IN, WE HAVE AMPLE COMMUNICATION TO POLICE, FIRE AND EMS. CUZ THAT WAS, THAT WE'RE BLOCKING THE ROADS, RIGHT? THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BLOCK THE ROAD JUST IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THAT CONSTRUCTION AREA OR UP ON FE.
WE JUST DON'T WANT 'EM TO BE GET THERE AND BE DELAYED NOT KNOWING PLEASE.
UH, AGAIN, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.
I, YES, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION OF A FULL AND PARTIAL CLOSING OF WE SIDE STREET DOING THE CONSTRUCTION FROM NOVEMBER OF 2022 TO APRIL, 2023.
DOES IT NEED TO BE FULL OR PARTIAL? YES.
FULL FROM THE, THE BOTTOM PART FULL AND THE TOP PART PARTIAL? YES.
SO A MOTION, UH, BY COUNCILMAN BAKER.
I'LL SECOND THEN WE HAVE, UH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BROADUS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[3. Discuss and consider request from Gus Oros to reassess conditions and requirements to the development of a remaining infill 4+ acre tract gap of Chestnut Street at North Dixie Drive between Palm Lane and Center Way – Sal Aguirre]
THREE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUESTS FROM GUS OROS.IS THAT CORRECT? UH, TO REASSESS CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE REMAINING INFIELD FOUR PLUS ACRE TRACK GAP OF, UH, CHESTNUT STREET AT NORTH DIXIE DRIVE BETWEEN PALM AND CENTER WAY.
UH, CAN TELL US WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AND WHAT YOU REQUESTED? UM, THIS TRACK OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH IT, UM, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, TOP RIGHT CORNER IS KROGER, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, JUST FOR THOSE OF Y'ALL THAT MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, UH, WHERE THAT'S AT.
SO I'M REFERENCING THIS TRACK OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE.
I'M INTERESTED IN PERCY'S, UH, TRACK OF PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S BEEN FOR SALE APPROXIMATELY FOUR YEARS, A LITTLE BIT OVER FOUR YEARS NOW.
UM, HOWEVER I UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOME, SOME CONCERN WITH, UH, DE DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY, ONE BEING DRAINAGE, UH, SECOND BEING ACCESS.
UM, AND, UH, THIRDLY, OBVIOUSLY MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE UTILITIES THERE TO TIE IN TO AND, AND, UH, THE FIRE SYSTEMS IN PLACE.
UH, I THINK WE CAN GET OVER SOME OF THOSE HURDLES, BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY THE BIGGEST HURDLE FOR ME IS TO JUST TO ENSURE, UM, THAT I'D WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, THE PURSUING THIS PROPERTY IS, IS, UH, ACCESS.
I THINK WE'VE, UH, RESOLVED THE, THE TENSION POND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING BACK HERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY I'D WORK WITH THE CITY ENGINEERS TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT'S SUSCEPTIBLE MEANS, UH, TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
I'M LOOKING AT DEVELOPING AS A SINGLE RESIDENCE PROPERTY.
UH, I KNOW IT'S A LARGE TRACK OF PROPERTY.
I KNOW THE CHALLENGES WERE PREVIOUSLY NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO, UM, HAVE THE PROPER DRAINAGE IF YOU HAD MULTIPLE HOUSES ON THAT PROPERTY.
SO WITH IT BEING SINGLE RESIDENTS, I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE WHAT WE WANT TO ACHIEVE AND STILL MAINTAIN A PROPER DRAINAGE, UH, FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
UH, I'D LIKE TO, UM, REQUEST IF WE COULD UTILIZE DIXIE DRIVE, UH, AS A PRIMARY MEANS FOR EGRESS AND ACCESS.
UH, CURRENTLY WE ARE CURRENTLY RESIDENTS OF WOOD SHORE, WOOD SHORE CROSSING.
AND, UH, WE USE THIS, UH, FOR ENTRY AND EXIT REGULARLY ON A DAILY BASIS, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY WITHOUT ANY ISSUE.
I KNOW THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ACCESS ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD, BUT, UM, WITH US USING THIS SIDE OF THE ROAD, IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN THAT CHALLENGING FOR US TO GET IN AND OUTTA THAT STREET.
UH, IN ADDITION TO THAT, UH, THIS AREA HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT AS WELL AS THIS ROAD HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT, MEANING KIND OF CONTROL
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FLOW OF TRAFFIC FROM SPEEDING ON THROUGH THERE FOR LONG DISTANCE AND, UH, HAVE A POTENTIAL FOR HIGH RISK, UM, TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS.AND S SO HOW LARGE, HOW LARGE OF A PROPERTY YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AT HOME, YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD, ARE YOU THINKING OF BUILDING, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE OR BEDROOMS? SO CURRENTLY, UM, I LIVE IN A 4,200 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND I'M LOOKING AT BUILDING ANYWHERE ABOUT 5,000 TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME.
AND SO AGAIN, YOUR, YOUR REQUEST IS RIGHT NOW IS, IS ABOUT THE, THE CUT IN OFF OF, OFF YOUR PROPERTY, OFF THIS PROPERTY, IF YOU WOULD BUY IT TO DIXIE DRIVE.
WELL, THERE ARE MR OR ACTUALLY TWO REQUESTS BECAUSE THE STIPULATION FOR THE PROPERTY THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDED TO GET RID OF IS ONE.
THE STIPULATION IS THAT CHESTNUT HAS TO BE BROUGHT THROUGH, BROUGHT THROUGH.
AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS RECOMMENDED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT DOES NEED TO BE DONE.
BUT COUNSEL IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKER OF THAT.
AND THEN THE OTHER REQUEST IS, MR. SAID WAS THE, WAS THE, UM, ACCESS TO DIXIE DRIVE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RECO RECOMMEND THAT THERE WAS ONE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, MEMBER THAT DISSENTED, BUT THE VOTE WAS, I BELIEVE THREE ONE TO NOT, NOT TO RECOMMEND ACCESS TO, TO DIXIE DRIVE.
THE ONLY OTHER STIPULATION, OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT THE WATER LINE, UM, THAT ENDS HERE AND ENDS HERE BE CONNECTED WITH A SMALLER TWO INCH RIGHT.
AND REALLY THAT'S MORE FOR THEIR BENEFIT.
SO THEY CONTINUE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FRESH WATER, YOU KNOW, THERE VERSUS BEING AT A DEAD END.
THEY'LL BE SOME MOST LIKELY CODE REQUIREMENTS, UH, FROM THE FIRE, EITHER DEPENDING ON THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOME, UH, THE WIDTH OF THE DRIVEWAY FOR A FIRE TRUCK TO GET IN, AND THE FIRE AND THE FIRE, UM, UM, THE FIRE PLUG, UM, FIRE, FIRE, FIRE WHERE IT'LL BE REQUIRED TO BE.
BUT THAT'S DECIDED BY THE CODE AND THE FIRE MARSHAL'S INTERPRETATION.
DIDN'T WE HAVE A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT BUYING SOME LAND HERE TO DOING A RETENTION POND? YEAH.
WHENEVER THE FLOOD AND AREA YEAH.
WHEN WE WERE DOING THE PROJECT, WE DOING THE PROJECT WORK, UH, FOR THE 40 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IN THAT AREA, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF PURCHASING THIS LAND AS A RETENTION AND WE JUST COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS JUST WAY TOO MUCH.
AND THIS IS GONNA BE LIKE A GATED COMMUNITY SO THAT, I MEAN, GATED BE A ROD IRON, RIGHT? YEAH.
GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN THAT PIECE OF IT TOO.
SO THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THIS ENTIRE PROPERTY WITH ROD IRON, UM, AROUND THE FENCE IN, UH, ORIGINALLY I THINK IT WAS SAID THAT WE COULDN'T DO THAT, BUT AFTER SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION, I THINK ANY TRACK OVER AN ACRE, UH, WOULD PERMIT, UM, DATING AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE FRONT.
UM, OBVIOUSLY, UH, I SPOKE WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL INITIALLY A MONTH AGO, A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.
WE HAD INITIAL CONVERSATIONS, UM, REGARDING THE WIDTH OF THE, THE DRIVEWAY.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT TO ALLOW ACCESS FOR FIRE TRUCK ENTRY.
AND THEN ALSO WE DISCUSSED THE DEPTH OF THE CONCRETE BEING A MINIMUM OF EIGHT INCHES THICK.
UM, SO, UM, BASICALLY WE WOULD HAVE BASICALLY THE, THE, THE ENTRY WOULD BE THE PRETTY MUCH ALMOST THE SAME WIDTH AS A STREET.
UH, WHERE'S THE EASEMENT? THE EASEMENT GO BACK TO THE SIDEWALK OR IS IT THE EASEMENT? WHERE'S THE EASEMENT? IT'S, THAT'S WAY, IT'S, THAT'S ON THIS SIDE RIGHT THERE.
SO THE PROPERTY RUNS ALL THE WAY TO THE SIDEWALK, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S UP TO THE SIDEWALK.
IS THAT RIGHT? SOUTH? YES, SIR.
SAL, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME HISTORY? CAN YOU COME TALK SOME HISTORY PLEASE, SINCE YOUR MYSTERY HISTORY
UH, THIS PROPERTY OF COURSE, UH, BROUGHT UP A LOT OF, UH, INQUIRIES, A LOT OF INTEREST BY DEVELOPERS WANTING TO DO ALL TYPES OF DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS IN THERE.
UH, A LOT OF THEM CAME IN THERE FOR RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOTS AND LOTS OTHER FOR COMMERCIAL.
EVEN A SCHOOL AT ONE TIME WAS IN CITY MONTESSORI SCHOOL, THE MONTESSORI SCHOOL.
UH, WHEN WE BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE OF DRAINAGE, THEN IT BECAME A PROBLEM.
AND THE FACT THAT THE, UH, IT ALSO, UH, CARRIED ON THE, UH, HAVING TO CROSS THAT, UH, CHESTNUT TY TYING BOTH ENDS OF CHESTNUT TOGETHER.
THEY BROUGHT IN COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT TYPE OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
AND OF COURSE, MOST OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THEM, UH, PERSON TO PERSON.
WE BROUGHT OUT ALL THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT TEAM, TOLD 'EM WHAT THEY WERE, UH, WHAT THEIR CHALLENGES WERE ON ALL THOSE ITEMS, AND TOLD 'EM TO GO BACK AND START PUTTING THEIR NUMBERS TOGETHER WITH A CONTRACTOR OR AN ENGINEER OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
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UH, NEVER CAME BACK.SO, UH, THEY FOUND OUT THAT IT REALLY DIDN'T WORK WITH THEIR MODEL, WITH THEIR BUSINESS MODEL.
SO I'VE ONLY HAD ONE PREVIOUS PERSON THAT HAD THE SAME IDEA THAT MR. ODOS, UH, UH, CAME UP WITH AND THAT WAS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, BUT HE FOR SOME REASON DID NOT PURSUE IT BEYOND, UH, JUST TALKING, UH, WITH ME.
AND, UH, MR. ORS IS THE ONE THAT HAS ACTUALLY, UH, SORT OF PERSEVERED AND GONE TO, TO THIS POINT OF THE STAGE OF THE GAME NOW.
SO THE WAY THAT HE'S DISCUSSING, HE WOULD HAVE A RETENTION POND THERE.
AND WOULD THAT BENEFIT THE DRAINAGE FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA ALTOGETHER? ONE OF THE, UH, WELL, UH, NOT THAT IT'S GONNA BE DESIGNED TO BRING IN ANY MORE, UH, DRAINAGE INTO HIS DETENTION AREA.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANTERS BROUGHT UP FOR, UH, DURING THAT DISCUSSION WAS THAT THE IMMEDIATE AREA THAT DRAINS INTO THIS PARTICULAR TRACK RIGHT NOW WILL NOT BE IMPEDED.
IT'LL BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE ON HOWEVER IT'S DESIGNED.
AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS WHENEVER, UH, MODESTO FIRST BROUGHT THIS TO ME, WE WERE DISCUSSING IT, IS THAT THESE PROPERTIES HERE HAVE, HAVE NOTORIOUS OVER TIME HAVE COME TO US.
EVERY TIME THERE'S A NEW BUYER, THEY COME TO US AND SAY THAT THIS PROPERTY'S A PROBLEM.
AND, UH, AND UH, ALSO WASN'T THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO THE HISTORY, THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN A STREET PUT IN SOMEWHERE HERE.
THAT CAUSED A PROBLEM WITH THE GRADE WHERE THE HOMES, WHERE THE HOMES WERE GRADED ORIGINALLY OR
AND, UH, THOSE LOTS THAT BACK INTO FROM THOSE, UH, PALM LANE, UH, RESIDENCES, UH, WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT ONE.
WELL, THAT NEVER CAME THROUGH.
SO THEREFORE AT THAT TIME, WHOEVER OWNED THE LAND DEVELOPER DECIDED THAT HE WAS GONNA BE SELLING THAT PROPERTY OVER TO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PROPERTY, THE FRONT PROPERTY AT PALM LANE.
AND THEY LANDLOCKED THEMSELVES ON THAT, UH, THAT REAR AREA.
SO BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROPER THESE PROPERTIES HERE IS THAT WHENEVER THEY WERE DEVELOPED, THEY WERE GRADED THIS WAY.
I KEEP USING STREET NAMES IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND THEN THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO COME ACROSS AND THEN THESE PROPERTIES WERE SUPPOSED TO DRAIN, THEY WERE GONNA DRAIN INTO THE ADDITION OF CARNATION.
AND SINCE THEN, THESE PROPERTIES, SINCE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, THESE PROPERTIES WERE MADE AVAILABLE FOR THESE PEOPLE TO BUY.
THEY BOUGHT IT AND THEY'RE DRAINING THE WRONG WORD.
IT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT WELL, THEY THEY'RE NATURAL.
AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S ONE OF MY BIG, ONE OF MY BIG CONCERNS IS AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, TAKING IN CONSIDERATION THESE PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE AN ISSUE IS THAT, AGAIN, OUR UNDERSTANDING AND THE PLANNERS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT WHATEVER'S DEVELOPED HERE, REGARDLESS IF IT'S HIM OR SOMEBODY ELSE, THEY CANNOT IMPACT, THEY CANNOT PUSH WATER FROM THIS PROPERTY INTO THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY HAVE TO ACCEPT, ACCEPT WHAT'S COMING ON THERE IS THEY CAN'T MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE.
BUT WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO MAKE IT BETTER, BETTER FOR THESE GUYS FOR THIS ROUNDING PROPERTIES, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T MAKE IT WORSE.
ANOTHER PIECE OF HISTORY HERE IS THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES THAT, JUST LIKE THE, THE CADEN HEAD PROPERTY, WHENEVER DIXIE DRIVE WAS EXPANDED, THEY, THEIR DRIVEWAY WAS GRANDFATHERED.
AND SO THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES HERE.
SO THIS IS A DRIVEWAY THAT WE HAVE CURB CUT AND EVERYTHING.
SO THAT, THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED FOR THIS PROPERTY, BASICALLY.
THAT WAS FOR MAINTENANCE PURPOSES OF THE DITCH.
NOW IS THAT, IS THAT ON IN THE PROP? IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A, THAT ENDS AT THE DITCH THERE.
BUT THAT'S, THAT FALLS IN HIS PROP IN THAT PROPERTY LINE OR IS THAT YEAH, SEE IT FALLS WITHIN THE, THIS FRONTAGE AREA.
AND THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AND YOU CAN'T LOOK HERE, BUT THERE'S, THERE IS MEDIAN HERE.
AND SO IT GETS TO THE CHALLENGE OF, YOU KNOW, THE EXIT OUT ONTO DIXIE DRIVE.
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO PUT IT OVER HERE IN FRONT OF A MEDIAN OR YOU COULD, BUT THAT WOULD PUT YOU DOWN TO WHERE YOU'RE JUST MAKING RIGHT HAND TURNS OUTTA YOUR PROPERTY AND RIGHT HAND TURNS IN MM-HMM.
THE ONLY OTHER ENTRANCE INTO, THROUGH THIS STRETCH IS UH, WHAT USED TO BE THE, UH, TOWN AND COUNTRY, UH, REAL ESTATE OFFICE THAT MAX ONES AND THEY WERE THERE SINCE TIME AND MEMORIAL.
SO YEAH, IDEALLY I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THAT, THAT DRY THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
IT'S TOO NARROW FOR YOUR PURPOSE, BUT I'M JUST, WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS OR YOU'RE OKAY, I SAW IN YOUR DRAWINGS THE DRAWING WEREN'T THAT GREAT.
I MEAN YOU COULDN'T SEE 'EM ON THE VIDEO.
UH, BUT CUZ IT WAS RED COULD, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT GOING IN AND USING THIS AS YOUR DRIVE.
RIGHT? SO YOU'RE PUTTING OUT A 26 FOOT DRIVE, SO THAT WOULD BE WIDENED OUT AND YOU SETTING YOUR DRAWINGS.
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COULDN'T DO THAT, THE POSSIBILITIES YOU WOULD GO HERE, BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE YOUR PREFERENCE.THAT WOULD NOT BE MY PREFERENCE.
AND ALSO YOU, HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY'S EXPLAINED TO YOU IS THAT ONCE YOU PUT YOUR DRIVE IN, YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE DRIVE.
YOU CAN'T HAVE A DRIVE OUT OF THE BACK.
CUZ WE ALREADY HAVE ORDINANCES AGAINST THAT.
UH, THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, BUT MAYBE NOT, MAYBE I COULDN'T REALLY DEPICT IT VERY WELL IN MY DRAWING, BUT DON'T SHOOT YOUR UP, SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT.
SO ONCE I COME IN HERE, IDEALLY WE'D WANT TO DO LIKE, UH, AN IN AND OUT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW, THERE'S LIKE A ROUNDABOUT HERE.
SO I MADE LIKE A LITTLE ROUNDABOUT AND JUST KIND OF DO A CIRCLE DRIVE.
ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS, WHAT, IF ANY IMPACT THE, WE DID THE BIG STUDY AND THEN THERE'S A BIG LONG TERM PROJECT TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE DRAINAGE ON THIS ISSUE.
THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT, WHAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROJECTS HERE.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, THAT UH, HE BROUGHT UP DURING THIS DISCUSSION IS THE FACT THAT IF HE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT DRIVEWAY, HE WILL HAVE TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE ULTIMATE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDERNEATH THAT, UH, DRIVEWAY AND UH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED BY HIM AND IT WOULD BE A BIG CULVERT.
IT WOULD BE BIG AND EXPENSIVE.
DO WE, DO WE HAVE A SENSE FOR WHAT THAT'S GONNA BE? YEAH.
WE HAVE A SENSE NON ENGINEERED AND EVERYTHING, BUT IT'S NOT, IT IS NON ENGINEERED, BUT WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT IT HAS TO HAPPEN OR WHAT IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE.
SO, SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF HE BUILDS WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR, HE WOULD BE BUILDING WAY BEYOND US GOING, MOVING FORWARD.
WE'D BE MET, HE WOULD BE EXPECTED TO BUILD TO THAT, TO THE ULTIMATE MM-HMM.
AND, AND, AND THAT, THAT WAS THE QUESTION I ASKED ORIGINALLY.
THURSDAY, IF I KNOW IF WE ARE EXPECTED TO MEET THAT, AS LONG AS WE HAVE SPECIFICATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN FOLLOW SPECS.
AND THAT YOU SAID THAT LITTLE DRIVEWAY'S ALREADY CURB CUT.
YEAH, THIS IS ALREADY CURB CUT.
YEAH, THAT WAS ONE THAT WAS GRANDFATHERED.
JUST LIKE THE CA SOMETHING FURTHER DOWN.
WHAT IS IT? THAT WAS JUST A MAINTENANCE THAT'S JUST FOR MAINTENANCE.
IT'S NOT GRANDFATHERED, IT'S JUST TO GET TO THE DITCH.
WHAT IS A IS A CURB CUT? IT IS, IT'S A CITY CURB CUT.
IS IT RIGHT, ONLY OUT OF THAT LOCATION OR NO, YOU CAN GO BOTH WAYS.
MILFORD, CAN YOU BRING IT UP ON GOOGLE MAPS SO THEY CAN SEE IT.
IS THAT A LIVE VIEW THAT YOU HAD THERE? WHY THEY BRINGING IT UP? HOW MANY HOMES WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT AGAIN? ONE, ONE SINGLE HOME.
SO IF IT'S ALREADY DONE, JUST I MAY BE IGNORANT.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT IF IT'S ALREADY DONE? WELL, THE COUNCIL HAD SAID BEFORE IN PLANNING COMMISSION AGREED.
ADD THAT THEY COUNCIL HAS DENIED ACCESS ONTO DIXIE DRIVE.
BUT THE REQUEST IN THE PAST HAVE BEEN FOR DEVELOPMENTS, LARGER DEVELOPMENTS.
IT WAS EITHER, YOU KNOW, A NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE MOST RECENT ONE WAS FOR THE MONSTER SCHOOL.
SO THERE WAS REALLY A LOT OF THE DISCUSSIONS CENTER AROUND THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC.
THIS, I BELIEVE WE, WE PUT THIS IN HERE WHEN WE DID DIXIE BECAUSE WE NEEDED ACCESS FOR THE TRACTOR, YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN.
IT WASN'T FOR THE PROP BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PROPERTY OWNER.
IT WAS FOR THE TRACTOR TO GET GET IN THERE AND, AND TO MOW AND TO MOW.
WOULDN'T IT BE TRUE THAT DOESN'T, THE PROPERTY LINE YOU SAID STOPPED AT THE, OVER HERE, RIGHT? RIGHT.
THE RIGHT WAY IS ALIGN WITH THAT, UH, WITH THAT FENCE THAT YOU SEE ON THE, ON THE FOREGROUND ON HERE.
WE, YEAH, THIS WAS SIMPLY BUILT FOR US TO MAINTAIN, TO GET TO THE DITCH.
IS SOMETHING ELSE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THIS, UH, SIDEWALK, UH, IT IS VERY WELL TRAVELED DAY AND NIGHT, SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THIS SIDEWALK.
SO, UH, PEOPLE AGGRESSIVE FROM THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT, THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO WATCH OUT FOR THE TRAFFIC.
THERE IS NO LIGHTING FOR ANYTHING LIKE AVAILABLE AT THAT, THAT, THAT LOCATION.
JUST A FYI, HAS NOTHING TO SAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
BUT YOUR FENCE IS GONNA BE SET BACK.
OUR FENCE IS GONNA BE SET BACK, BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE, WITH THE, THE ENTRY WE'RE WANTING, IT'S GONNA BE A, A NICE ESTATE ENTRY WITH PLENTY OF LIGHTING.
NO, I'M PLANNING ON BUYING IT.
I'M NOT GONNA BUY SOMETHING UNLESS, NO, NO.
NOW LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, AND THIS GOES BACK TO SOME MODESTO IS, IS THAT IF WE GO FORWARD WITH IT, IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE SAY WE'RE OKAY WITH NOT GOING THROUGH WITH CHESTNUT, UH, AND THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH REQUIRING THAT HE'S GONNA HAVE TO TIE THE,
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THE, THE TWO WATER LINES HAVE TO BE TIED TOGETHER MM-HMM.HE BUYS THE LAND, DOESN'T BUILD ON IT, SELLS IT TO A DEVELOPER.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PROTECTION WE HAVE IS THAT WE GO BACK TO.
SO I WOULD SAY, I, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS YOU'RE, UH, APPROVING IF YOU'RE APPROVING, ESPECIALLY THE ACCESS, IF YOU'RE APPROVING ACCESS ONTO DIXIE DRIVE AND TAKING AWAY THE STIPULATION THAT THE ROAD CONNECTION, RIGHT.
IT'S ONLY FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.
AND HE LATER ARE SOLD IT AND SOMEONE WANTED TO SUBDIVIDE IT AND DECIDED THEY WANTED TO PUT THREE OR FOUR HOMES OR COMMERCIAL.
OUR COMMERCIAL IS LIKE ALL THOSE STIPULATIONS GO BACK, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THE UH, CONDITION RIGHT NOW WITH THE ZONING IS THAT IS A NATIONAL R TWO ZONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO THAT'S WHY HE MEETS THAT REQUIREMENT, THAT CONDITION THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE THAT WOULD COME IN HERE WOULD HAVE TO BE REZONED, AND THAT'S WHERE, YEAH.
THE ONE STIPULATION I HAD JUST THOUGHT OF THAT WE, AND I'M GOING TO ASK, UH, IS SABRINA HERE, UH, SABRINA, I, I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT WE PROBABLY STILL WANT EXCESS TO THE DRIVE THAT WE BUILT
IS, WOULD THAT BE CORRECT, SABRINA? DO WE USE, DO WE STILL, DO WE STILL, DO WE ACTUALLY USE THIS? NO, NOT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE ACTUALLY.
WE BUILT IT, BUT WE DON'T USE IT.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD JUST BE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD JUST BE AN ACCESS POINT, AND SO YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, UH, THAT'S A FAIRLY MILD OKAY.
B***H, YOU'RE NOT REALLY GOT A REALLY STEEP SLOPE, SO IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO ACCESS INTO.
DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW WE'RE GONNA PICK HIS TRASH UP? THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO COME OFF OF CHESTNUT.
SO, UH, NORMALLY YOU WANT TO PICK UP TRASH IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES, BUT WHATEVER DIRECTION YOUR FRONT DOOR'S FACING IS THE LOCATION THAT WE GO TO.
UH, ON THIS ONE, THIS BEING DIXIE LOCATED, LIKE THAT IS STILL GONNA HAVE TO COME OUT ONTO THE CHESTNUT SIDE.
UM, I ALREADY GO DOWN TO THAT SIDE.
UH, THIS AREA WILL PROBABLY BE MORE, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSE TO THE WAY LOOKING THE WAY YOU HAD YOUR DRAWINGS DRAWN.
AND AGAIN, THIS WILL BE THE PRIMARY OPTION THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
IF I GET INTO DESIGN AND SAY, HEY, IT'S JUST NOT GONNA WORK.
I STILL WANT TO HAVE A SECONDARY OPTION TO GO THIS DIRECTION, BUT IDEALLY I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH DIXIE.
YEAH, WE'D PROBABLY STILL, YEAH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION.
I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK YOU WANT A GARBAGE TRUCK DRIVING ON YOUR PRIVATE DRIVEWAY GOING THROUGH AND TURNING IT AROUND.
USING YOUR, YOU CAN'T STOP ON DIXIE AND WE CAN'T STOP ON DIXIE.
WE HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW WHAT, RIGHT NOW WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING DOWN AND BACKING UP.
JUMPING TO, SO JUMPING THE SOLUTION IS IF YOU CAME IN WITH YOUR DRIVEWAY HERE, THEN YOU COULD, WHAT I'M HEARING IS YOU COULD HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL SIDEWALK TO THE END OF HERE AND PUT YOUR TRASH HERE, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S INCONSISTENT WHERE WE PUT, WE PICK UP TRASH AT THE FRONT OF SOMEBODY'S HOME.
BECAUSE OF THE, I'M NOT, I DON'T WANNA STOP ON DIXON.
BUT YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
SO WE, WE CAN WORK AROUND THAT.
SO WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH THAT? YES.
I WOULD JUST BUILD LIKE A LITTLE PAD FOR LIKE A LITTLE GATOR TO DRIVE DOWN AND THEN IT COME RIGHT BACK, LIKE FIVE FOOT WIDE INSTEAD OF WALKING IT, BECAUSE THE HOME IS GONNA BE ABOUT A HUNDRED FOOT IN.
THAT'S A LONG WAY TO WALK WITH A LOT OF TRASH.
JUST LIKE ANY ACREAGE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE, UM, MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION OR TAKE GOLF.
A GOLF CART OR SOMETHING TO LOAD IT UP IN THE BACK.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COUNCIL? RIGHT.
I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION, MR. ME MOVED THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THIS, UH, PROPERTY TO BE, UH, ALLOWED TO DOUBLE WITH THE ACCESS THROUGH NORTH DIXIE DRIVE, UH, WITH ALL THE STIPULATIONS WE TALKED ABOUT, THE WATER CONNECTION, THE, UH, FIRE, UH, FIRE TRUCK ACCESS, ACCESSIBILITY, TRASH PICKUP AT THE, UH, CHESTNUT, CHESTNUT STREET, AND, UM, THAT'S IT.
AND THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING CHESTNUT TIE IN.
THE ONLY TIE IN AND TO BE ENSURE THAT IF THIS DOES NOT PAN OUT, THAT IT'S ONLY SINGLE FAMILY, I CAN WRITE SOMETHING AND WE CAN PUT IT ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR SOMETHING TO UNDERSTAND, MAKE SURE WHOEVER PURCHASES THE PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE, I DIDN'T KNOW, AND THAT IT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANY OTHER SURROUNDING HOME RIGHT OFF THE DRAIN DRAIN.
EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON?
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SO GO OVER THAT AGAIN, MR. MAYOR.
WELL, AGAIN, IT'S GONNA BE FOLLOWED UP BY, UH, WITH PLANNER'S WORK TOO, SO.
WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, UH, TO MEET THE REQUESTS.
UH, AND, UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL LAW FAIR SAY AYE.
WE'LL HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, DRAFT SOMETHING UP.
BUY THE PROPERTY FOR YEAH, BY THE I DON'T WANNA DO WORK.
IS SHE GONNA WANT DO THE WORK FIRST? DIDN'T YOU? BUT I'M MOVING FORWARD, BELIEVE ME.
[4. Discuss and consider the first reading of an ordinance allowing rabbits to be kept in city limits - Sherri Russell]
MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR AS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER, UH, FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AND LYING RABBITS TO BE KEPT IN THE CITY LIMITS.THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 10, ANIMALS OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW RABBITS BE KEPT IN THE CITY LIMITS, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT.
HEREWITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT, ONLY PROVIDING FOR PENALTY AND PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE.
TERRY, YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING? DID THE WORK YOU ALL WANTED JUST THE BASIC PART OF MY MENU? THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
UM, THREE RABBITS AND I CARVED OUT THE E ONE JUST TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE AND THEN NO BREEDING, SELLING OR SLAUGHTERING.
IF Y'ALL THINK, IF YOU WANTED SOMETHING ELSE, LET ME KNOW.
UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO TAKING A MOTION, JUST COUNCIL NEED KIND OF, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE GOES BEFORE I OPEN IT UP TO AUDIENCE? UH, JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR THAT YES, THIS, THIS E ONE DOESN'T CHANGE.
IT'S TO, IT'S TO DOCUMENT WHAT'S ALREADY TRUE.
IT DOESN'T INCREASE OR DECREASE THE RIGHT OF E ONE, GETTING IT IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES OF, CORRECT.
UH, MS. WILLIAMS, YOU'RE UP FOR, YOU REQUESTED TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE.
OH, I'M JUST, WAIT, I'LL ROLL WITH IT.
AND MIKE, SINCE YOU DIDN'T PUT DOWN ANYTHING OTHER THAN A QUESTION MARK.
SO, UH, ANY, SO WE'LL GO WITH, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM AND THEN WE'LL GO DISCUSS AFTER A MOTION.
MAYOR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, ADOPT THE ORDINANCE ALIGNED FOR ABS TO BE KEPT IN CITY LI I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH.
A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BLANCHARD DISCUSSION, UH, SINCE YOU MADE THE MOTION, I'LL LET YOU, IF YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING FIRST, BUT NO, I THINK SHERRY WROTE IT VERY WELL.
ANY OTHER, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTION ON COUNCIL? GO FORWARD? I THINK IT'S JUST OVERWHELMING WHAT WE SAW WITH THE FEEDBACK WE ALL GOT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS.
OUR PHONES HAVEN'T STOPPED WITH EMAILS.
UM, LIKE I SAID, WHEN I REPLIED, THERE WAS LESS THAN A DOZEN WHO OPPOSED IT AND IT'S JUST BEEN COUNTLESS THAT ARE IN FAVOR, SO.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COUNSEL, HEARING NOW? I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE.
FIRST READING, PLEASE SAY SO BY SAYING AYE.
SO THE MOTION FAILS THE DRAFT, MEANING THE ORDINANCE FAILED.
[5. Discuss traffic calming measures for Any Way Street – Chase Blanchard ]
FIVE, DISCUSS TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE FOR ANYWAY.UH, CHASE, YOU DID SOME WORK, UH, WITH CITIZENS ON THIS, SO YOU WANNA RE YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK.
I WALKED THE STREET ALL THE WAY DOWN OF, ANYWAY, KNOCKED ON DOORS, HANDED OUT A LETTER, AND THEN LEFT LETTERS FOR WHO WASN'T HOME.
IT SEEMED LIKE 95% OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE STREET WERE IN FAVOR OF SPEED BUMPS.
THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY LOVE TO LIVE WITH THEM, BUT THEY FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE LAST OPTION THAT THEY HAD.
UM, FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, THERE WAS EVEN SEVERAL THAT SAID THEY WOULDN'T MIND THE SPEED BUMPS IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
UM, I DID HAVE TWO OPPOSED, ONE GUY, UM, SAID HE WAS GOING TO PURCHASE A CORVETTE AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE TOUGH
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TO MANEUVER AROUND SPEED BUMPS IN HIS CORVETTE.AND THEN THERE WAS ONE LADY WHO WAS KIND OF ON THE FENCE.
SHE COULD, SHE DIDN'T DECIDE EITHER WAY.
SHE JUST, SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT SOMETHING NEEDED TO BE DONE, BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT SPEED BUMPS WERE GONNA BE THE SOLUTION.
YEAH, I WAS, YOU, YOU'D SENT THE INFORMATION TO MODESTO AND MODESTO MAILED IT AND FOR SOMEBODY, I THINK OUR MAIL IS STILL SCREWED UP CUZ I DIDN'T GET IT, IT DIDN'T SHOW UP IN MY MAILBOX UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT.
SO SOMETHING WAS, SO DID Y'ALL GET THE WRITEUP THAT OF THE LETTER? THE LETTER THAT, YES.
THAT BASICALLY SAID THE SAME THING.
HE JUST STATE THE COUNCIL BLA JUST STATED.
UM, OKAY, MODESTO, WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LITTLE BIT WHAT, TALKING ABOUT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS ON CALMING IDEAS.
YEAH, WE, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC, OUR TRAFFIC CALMING MANUAL.
AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SPEED HUMS ARE, ARE, ARE ONE IN THE TOOLBOX.
THE CANS, UH, THE, UM, ARE ONE NARROWING THE ROAD IS ONE WHICH, ANYWAY, ALL OF OUR STREETS ARE 27 FEET.
SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT WE HAVE THAT DOES CONTRIBUTE TO THE LOWER SPEED.
SO WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, ON RECORD.
THE ISLAND ALSO IS A SPEED CONTROL MEASURE.
SO WE HAVE TWO THINGS IN PLACE THAT ARE HELP TO CONTRIBUTE TO LOWER THE SPEED.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS AS WELL.
THE ONE THING THAT STAFF IS CONSIDERED IS ALSO IS THAT IS MAYBE WORTH A SHOT THAT WE CAN MEASURE, IS TRYING TO VISIT, YOU KNOW, PAINT ON THE ROAD TO MAKE THE ROADWAY FEEL MORE NARROW.
IT'S, IT'S NOT, I'M, I'M LUKE WARM ON THE IDEA, BUT WHEN YOU READ SOME OF THE DATA, IT IS, IS A, IT'S AN OPTION, IT'S A, AN AFFORDABLE OPTION.
I, I'M STILL, I'M A SKEPTIC, BUT IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WORTH, YOU KNOW, TRYING, SABRINA IS MAKING RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EITHER PUT IT ON THE SIDE NARROWING THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, OR EVEN THE STRIPE DOWN THE MIDDLE COULD MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, APPEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW.
UM, IT'S USUALLY, THOSE OPTIONS ARE USUALLY DONE ON VERY WIDE ROADS.
UM, THIS IS ALREADY A, A NARROW ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY I'M SKEPTICAL IS DOES IT REALLY HAVE, WILL IT HAVE AN EFFECT ON A NARROW ROAD? RIGHT.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT I DO CAUTION THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT BACK FROM THE ENGINEER IS THAT I'M A BIG BELIEVER, YOU KNOW, ALL THE THINGS, THE ITEMS OF THE TOOLBOX DO WORK FOR LOWERING THE SPEED.
BUT WHAT THEY, WHAT THE ENGINEERS CAME BACK TO US IS, IS THAT THEY'RE USUALLY USED TO LOWER THE PREDOMINANT SPEED, THE 85TH PERCENT, MOST OF THE SPEED.
SO IF THE PREDOMINANT SPEED, IF EVERYBODY IS GOING 34 MILES AN HOUR, 35 MILES AN HOUR, IT WILL TEND TO LOWER THEM, YOU KNOW, FIVE MILES AN HOUR.
THE QUESTION IS, WILL IT HAVE AN EFFECT? AND I CAN'T, I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND ANYTHING OR NOR CORROBORATE FROM THE ENGINEER.
WILL IT AFFECT THE OUTLIERS? THE PERSON, THE NU I CALL 'EM THE KNUCKLEHEAD, THE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT'S GOING 68 MILES AN HOUR? HOW DOES IT AFFECT THEM? I STAFF REALLY DOESN'T KNOW.
WILL THEY BE EFFECTIVE ON THE MAJORITY OF THE PUBLIC AND STUFF ON, YOU KNOW, THOSE AVERAGES SPEED 40 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT I JUST, ON THOSE OUTLIERS, I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT WOULD, THAT WE COULD GIVE YOU THAT IT'S AN EFFECTIVE ITEM UNLESS IT'S POSSIBLY A DETERRENT.
THERE'S ALWAYS THAT POSSIBILITY THAT IF THERE WERE SPEED HUMS ON THERE, WOULD THAT HAVE, IN THIS SITUATION, THESE COUPLE PEOPLE THAT WERE SPEEDING WOULD, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M NOT GOING DOWN THAT STREET.
I KNOW THERE'S A SPEED HUM ON THERE, I'LL JUST STAY ON.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE COULD, THAT WAY, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING THAT I COULD, UH, THINK OF.
BUT THEY ARE QUITE EFFECTIVE AT JUST LOWERING THAT PREDOMINANT SPEED.
EVERYBODY'S GOING, YOU KNOW, 40 MILES AN HOUR OR LESS.
WELL, THE CHALLENGE THAT, THAT I HAVE IS THAT WHATEVER, WHATEVER DECISION, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PROCESS, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC CALMING PROCESS THAT WE DEVELOPED YEARS AGO AND TRAFFIC HAS BEEN USING IT AND STAFF HAS BEEN USING IT.
AND IF WE WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING TO ADDRESS ANYWAY, IS THAT I WOULD PREFER THAT WE GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHERE THE PROCESS FAILED ANYWAY AND FIX THE PROCESS SO THAT WHENEVER WE GET ANOTHER REQUEST, WHICH WE WILL, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE STANDING IN LINE THAT WE APPLY THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS ACROSS
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THE BOARD ACROSS THE CITY.AND, UH, SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE, UM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS A RETAINER MM-HMM.
AND WE COULD HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER WORK WITH OUR TRAFFIC DEPARTMENT TO OPEN UP OUR CALMING PROCEDURES PROTOCOL AND STUFF AND SEE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE OR WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
AND THEN, AND WE COULD, I DON'T KNOW IF THE PROCESS HAS FAILED ANYWAY, WE'VE TAKEN OURS AND WE'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES DO.
AND THEN WE'VE HAD A RE-REVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, OF IT JUST, YOU KNOW, SPOT LOOKING AT YOU HAD SENT ME SAN ANTONIO, I'VE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECENTLY IN CALIFORNIA WHERE THEY'RE EVERYWHERE AND MOST OF THEM STILL, I MEAN, ALL OF THEM STILL ARE HEAVY ON THE 85TH PERCENTILE.
AND IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT USUALLY IT, YOU KNOW, IS SUCCESSFUL AT, AT DOING.
IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING MORE HEAVILY WEIGHTED OR NOT AS HEAVILY WEIGHTED ON THE 85TH PERCENTILE, BUT LOOKING AT ACCIDENTS AND STUFF, THAT'S THE PROPER PLACE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, ARE THERE OTHER SCORING DIFFERENT, ARE THERE OTHER DIFFERENT WAYS? ARE THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE SHOULD SCORE LIKE AN ACCIDENT IN THIS SITUATION? OR TWO OTHER THAN JUST THE 85TH PERCENTILE? BECAUSE MY, AGAIN, I HAD MENTIONED MY FEAR, MY ONLY FEAR IS, IS THAT IF YOU JUST DO AWAY WITH A STANDARD THAT YOU HAVE SAID OR ESTABLISHED IS THAT YOU COUNSEL WILL GET A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR A LOT OF STREETS AND THEN, THEN WE HAVE NO GUIDELINE.
SO THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS DOCUMENT THAT TRAFFIC COMMISSION ALONG WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEES AND EVERYTHING CREATED, AND WE HAVEN'T TRIED THIS DOCUMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE OUGHT TO TAKE WHATEVER WE IS IN THIS DOCUMENT AND APPLY IT TO ANY WAY STREET AND SEE WHAT WORKS.
AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK, I MEAN, WELL WE, WE HAVE TRIED IT WHEN WE'RE USING THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS CAME BACK AND SAID, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE.
WELL, I, ON THIS, ON THIS SITUATION, I INSTRUCTED STAFF TO HIRE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER BECAUSE WE SAW THE INITIAL DATA OF THE 85TH PERCENTILE, AND IT WASN'T FIVE MILES OVER THE STATED SPEED LIMIT.
SO ON OUR OWN POLICY, IT WOULD'VE FAILED, IT WOULD'VE STARTED TO FAIL.
SO WE HIRED THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER BECAUSE IT WAS A DANGEROUS, IT WAS A CURVE THAT WE'VE ALREADY IDENTIFIED THAT WE WANT TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE ENGINEER STUDY WAS GOING TO RESULT IN, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE, IF IT DID SAY THAT WE WERE GOING TO RECOMMEND, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD AN ENGINEER RECOMMEND THAT WE WERE GOING TO PUT SOME TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, THAT WE DIDN'T MAKE THE SITUATION WORSE.
AND THAT, THAT'S MY, JUST LIKE GENERAL, MY BIGGEST ISSUE WITH THIS WHOLE, THIS WHOLE THING IS THAT WE, WE HAVE THE POLICY AND THAT THAT'S GREAT.
WE SHOULD TRY TO FOLLOW THAT OR CHANGE IT TO, TO MAKE IT WORK.
I THINK IT IS WORKING, BUT THE FACT THAT WE WENT THE EXTRA STEP HIRED THIS PERSON WHO'S A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO'S ONLY, I MEAN ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, HE WORKS ON THESE TYPES OF ISSUES.
AND I DON'T, I MEAN, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HE WASN'T NECESSARILY EVEN CONSTRAINED BY OUR POLICY.
HE WAS DOING SORT OF AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF THE DATA.
UM, AND HE CAME AND WE HAD A VERY ROBUST DISCUSSION WITH HIM.
HE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THAT, UM, SPEED BUMPS ARE THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THIS STREET.
UM, AND I, I, I KNOW ENOUGH TO, TO KNOW THAT SOMETIMES THE LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES KICKS IN AND WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT, AND THERE MIGHT BE PROBLEMS WITH SPEED BUMPS IN PARTICULAR, THAT, THAT HE UNDERSTANDS THAT I DON'T, AND I DON'T PRESUME TO KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN, THAN HE DOES, I GUESS.
SO I'M, IT'S THAT PIECE OF IT, THE, THE FACT THAT THE ENGINEER LOOKED AT IT AND STUDIED IT ALL THE DATA, MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF DATA COLLECTION AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS UP AND DOWN, AND HE HESITATED TO COMMIT TO SOMETHING, TO TO, TO THE STUDENT IN PARTICULAR.
NOW I'M NOT AGAINST THE IDEA OF TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES, BUT THERE ARE OTHER TOOLS IN THE, IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S TOOLBOX THAT HE, THAT WE DISCUSSED THAT MIGHT BE A BETTER CHOICE.
I WAS JUST, THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S REALLY IT.
AND HE, HE HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO SAY THAT HE THOUGHT THAT WOULD WORK.
I'M LOOKING AT MODESTO'S SUGGESTION ABOUT NARROWING THE ROAD.
PERHAPS WE CAN PUT BICYCLE LANES ON THE STREET AND WITH RUMBLE STRIPS ON THE SIDE TO INDICATE, UH, BICYCLE ZONE IN JUST NARROWING THE STREET.
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WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THESE RESIDENTS AND NOT KEEP ON PUSHING BACK AND SAYING, WELL, WE ARE GONNA KEEP ON GOING BACK TO SOME KIND OF STUDY AND, AND BLAH BLAH, BLAH.SO WE NEED TO ACT UPON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED.
AND IF, UH, SPEED HUM, IT IS NOT IT, THEN THAT'S FINE.
BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, TWO QUESTIONS, THE 85TH PERCENTILE THAT'S IN OUR METRICS.
BUT THAT'S ALSO INDUSTRY STANDARD.
AND SO THEN MY OTHER QUESTION, MAYBE A SHERRY STANDARD QUESTION MM-HMM.
MY ONLY REBUTTAL IS GOING TO BE, I, I HEAR EVERYBODY OUT AND WE CAN ENGINEER THIS TO THE END OF THE EARTH AND HIRE ALL THESE EXPERTS AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE, THE DAY WALKING THE STREET AND KNOCKING THE DOORS AND TALKING TO THE PEOPLE, WHEN ARE WE JUST GOING TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT PUT US IN THESE SEATS? THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID THEY WANTED.
THEY'RE CONCERNED WITH THEIR KIDS AND THEIR GRANDKIDS PLAYING IN THE ROAD, PLAYING IN THE YARD.
THEY'RE SCARED OF 'EM PLAYING NEAR THE ROAD.
THERE WAS ANOTHER HOUSE AT THE END THAT I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW GOT HIT BY A CAR, THEY SAID SOMEWHERE AROUND 10 YEARS AGO.
SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED ON THE STREET, AND THIS IS WHAT THE CITIZENS WANT.
I PUT IN THAT EXTRA WORK TO BRING Y'ALL THAT FEEDBACK.
AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO LISTEN TO THOSE CITIZENS THAT ARE DEALING WITH IT EVERY DAY.
WELL, MS. WILLIAMS, YOU'RE DOWN.
SO LET ME PUT YOU, TAKE YOU FIRST.
SO, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE THE NEXT LADY IN THE BACK.
LIKE WHEN Y'ALL, WHEN YOU WENT OUT AND DID YOUR SURVEY OKAY.
AND EVIDENTLY THE COMPUTERS WERE DOWN OR WHATEVER, CUZ YOU DIDN'T GET, WELL IT WAS THE EMAIL STUFF, IT WAS JUST, IT WAS JUST HIS FINAL REPORT TO, TO US, RIGHT? YEAH.
NOW WHEN THAT REPORT IS SENT TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I MEAN, DO Y'ALL GO OUT AND LIKE FOLLOW UP AND TALK TO PEOPLE AND DO THAT SORT OF THING? DO WE YES.
I MEAN I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE STREET.
ONE OF THE PERSONS IS ON THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION THAT I TALKED TO, WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WITH IT, BUT IF YOU DIDN'T GET IT TILL SUNDAY, I'VE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES SINCE THEN.
SO I HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL OF THE RESIDENTS.
NOT FOLLOWING OUT, FOLLOWING UP ON HIS SURVEY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS REALLY A NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON HIS SURVEY CUZ HE WAS GIVING US WHAT HE HAD GOTTEN.
BUT I'VE TALKED TO, I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND I HAVE PEOPLE I USED TO LIVE ON STAGGERING COURT, SO I RIGHT, RIGHT.
THE PEOPLE ON THE, THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE THERE THAT STILL LIVE THERE WHEN I DID THAT WERE ON THE CORNER RIGHT NEXT TO ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE THE HOUSE WAS HIT.
NO, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW THE PROCESS AND I WAS JUST ASKING THE QUESTION AND I LIVED ON IT ANYWAY.
I DID FOR LIKE SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
YOU'LL NEED TO COME ALL THE WAY UP AND SAY YOUR NAME.
I AM ONE WHO HAS SEEN TWO HOMES HIT.
THERE'S ALSO A THIRD HOME THAT WAS, THE KIDS COME DOWN ANYWAY TO THAT WAY WHERE IT'S GOING SO FAST THEY COULDN'T MAKE THE STOP SIGN WENT ACROSS THE STREET, DID A U COME BACK UP ON THE HOUSE ON THAT WAY? THE CORNER, THE ONLY THING THAT STOPPED THAT CAR FROM GOING THROUGH WAS A SEGA PALM TREE.
OUR STREET IS A SPEED STREET, SIR.
I CALL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, YOU CAN NOTIFY 'EM.
THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING 16, 70 MILES DOWN THAT STREET.
I MEAN, IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED, THERE WERE CALMING FACTORS PUT UP WHERE THEY PUT THE FLASHING LIGHT THAT SAID YOU'RE GOING RIGHT 30 SOMETHING MILES AN HOUR.
SOON AS THAT WAS DOWN IT WAS A SPEED STREET AGAIN, THERE NOTHING'S GONNA CHANGE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THAT STREET AS A CUTTHROAT.
THURSDAY AFTERNOON I PICKED MY KIDS UP FROM GRANDKIDS UP FROM BEST BRENNAN COME TO LET THE KIDS OFF ACROSS THE STREET.
THERE WAS A CAR PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET THAT I SLOWED DOWN.
THERE WAS A TEENAGER BEHIND ME THAT DIDN'T LIKE ME SLOWING DOWN.
SO THE CAR COMING THIS WAY COULD GO FIRST BECAUSE I'M SUPPOSED TO STOP.
HE WENT AROUND ME AND THE MAN THAT WAS COMING IN THE TRUCK HAD TO GO UP ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE OF THIS YOUNG KID DRIVING TOO FAST TO STOP.
I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT 'EM, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE FOR A CHILD KILLED OR AN ADULT.
YOU'VE GOT KIDS COMING HOME FROM SCHOOL, YOU'VE GOT TEENAGERS COMING AT THE SAME TIME.
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I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST A DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN IF SOMETHING'S NOT DONE.AND, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 30 YEARS AND, AND I UNDERSTAND AND THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS, IS THAT EVERY TIME WE'VE HAD A REQUEST, WE'VE DONE THE SURVEY, WE'VE DONE THE, WE'VE DONE, WE'VE COLLECTED THE DATA AND UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE WELL BEYOND WHAT'S RECOMMENDED ON THE AMOUNT OF DATA TO COLLECT.
SO WE, WE EVEN COLLECT ADDITIONAL DATA AND WHAT WE GET IS, IS THAT THE STREETS ARE, THE STREETS ARE OPERATING AT THE DESIGN RATE AND THAT IS THERE, THE 85% PERCENTILES WITHIN 30 TO 35 MILES AN HOUR OR 34.
SO I FIND THAT HARD TO BELIEVE, SIR.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS, EVEN IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, THERE'S, THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT SPEED DOWN MY STREET.
I MEAN THERE PEOPLE USE, THEY USE MY STREET TO CUT THROUGH TO GET TO THE BACK PART OF THE FARMS CUZ THEY WANNA DRIVE DOWN LAKE, THE WINDY LAKE ROAD.
THEY CUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND UH, SO THERE ARE, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA OBEY THE, THE SPEED LIMIT AND THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE COMFORTABLE DRIVING AT A FASTER RATE OR DON'T REALLY CARE.
SO THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT DO WE BECOME A CITY OF SPEED BUMPS OR WE FIND SOME OTHER WAY TO ADDRESS THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS YET.
IF YOU CAN GO AND PUT, THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER CALMINGS TO WHERE YOU PUT CANS OR WHATEVER YOU CALLED WHERE THERE BUMP OUTS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
NOBODY'S GONNA WANT THAT TO PUT THAT IN FRONT OF THEIR YARD BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK IN THEIR FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
OWN ANY WAY STREET, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PARKING AND YOU'VE GOT PARKING BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVE DEEP, Y'ALL HAVE DEEP YARDS, YOU'LL HAVE PLENTY OF, OF YARD AND DRIVEWAY TO PARK YOUR CARS CUZ Y'ALL DON'T HAVE, I MEAN SOME OF THESE STREETS YOU GET INTO CUZ THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DRIVE, DON'T HAVE MUCH DRIVEWAY, THEY PARK IN THE STREET AND THAT BECOMES A CALMING.
WE HAVE PEOPLE PARKED ON THE SIDES OF THE STREET ALL THE TIME.
YOU GO DOWN THAT STREET ANY DAY ANYTIME THERE'S SOMEBODY PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
AND THAT DOES CAUSE THE ISSUE NARROWING ANYTHING.
YOU CAN'T AND THAT'S A PROBLEM ALL OVER THE CITY, IN MY OPINION.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING SOME OF THE CITIES, STREETS DO NOT, AREN'T USED AS A CUTTHROAT SO IT'S NOT AS DANGEROUS.
OURS BEING USED AS A CUTTHROAT TO GET TO OUR STREET DRIVE QUICKER OR ANY PLACE.
WELL THAT'S WHY WHENEVER I SENT THE, THE EXAMPLE OF, UH, ANOTHER CITIES TO, TO MODESTO IS THAT UH, OTHER CITIES HAVE GONE OVER AND THEY LOOK AT, THEY HANDLE, THEY HANDLE COLLECTORS AND WE DO TOO.
WE HANDLE COLLECTOR STREETS DIFFERENTLY THAN WE DO RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
ANYWAY, WHEN IT WAS PUT IN, IT WAS A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
MY CONCERN IS BECAUSE OF CHANGES IN DEVELOPMENT OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, IS THAT ANY WAY MAY HAVE BECOME A COLLECTOR STREET.
AND SO IF THAT'S TRUE, IF WE CAN ALL AGREE ON THAT ANY WAY IS A COLLECTOR STREET NOW AND IS NO LONGER A RESIDENTIAL STREET, THEN WE COULD APPLY SOME OF THE, SOME DIFFERENT FACTORS TO THAT.
EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT A COLLECTOR STREET IS.
AND I'LL ASK MY CITY ENGINEER TO COMMENT AND HE'S MORE VERSED INTO IT, BUT A COLLECTOR STREET IS JUST BUILT TO, IT'S A WIDER STREET.
SOMETIMES IT'S A, IT'S A FOUR LANE ROAD, TWO LANES GOING EACH WAY.
AND IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO HANDLE A GREATER VOLUME OF TRAFFIC AND A GREATER SPEED.
SO JOON JOON, UH, IS, IS THAT, IS THAT WAY A COLLECTOR THAT WAY? AND SO ANYWAY IS IS LIKE THE MAYOR SAID IS DESIGNED AS A RESIDENTIAL STREET, BUT WHAT MAY BE HAPPENING HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S SO LONG, IT'S TAKING MORE TRAFFIC THAN YOUR NORMAL RESIDENTIAL STREET.
NOW HAD IT BEEN DESIGNED TO A COLLECTOR, IT WOULD BE WIDER AND IT WOULD ALLOW FASTER SPEEDS CUZ YOU'RE DESIGNING IT FOR ALL THE ROADWAY TO GET TRAFFIC.
BUT MY SUSPICION IS IN THIS SITUATION IS WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO IT IS ALSO JUST THE VOLUME.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE SEEN WHEN WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, CONTINUOUS, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT SPEED.
IT'S BEEN ON LONG STREETS ANYWAY, WALNUT OLEANDER WHERE THERE'S BEEN GREATER VOLUME.
AND SO IT'S ONE THING TO SEE 10 SPEEDING CARS.
IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SEE 30
BECAUSE THE VOLUME NOT CAUSE BEHAVIOR'S DIFFERENT.
IT STARTS TO MAKE A BIG, IT STARTS TO MAKE A BIGGER IMPACT ON YOU BECAUSE YOU JUST SEE IT MORE, UH, STUFF.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT CAN BE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE AS A CONSIDERATION IN THE TRAFFIC CAR MANUAL.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN WE LOOK AT THE 85TH
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PERCENTILE CUZ THAT'S WHAT IT'S SAYING IS THAT WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SPEED GOING IN OUR REPORTS, IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 32 OR 34, WHICH MEANS 85% OF THE DRIVERS THERE ARE DRIVING WHAT THE ROAD IS DESIGNED FOR.THAT ROAD IS DESIGNED FOR CARS TO GO 30 TO 35 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THE SPEED LIMIT 30 ON THAT STREET IT'S 30, BUT IT'S DESIGNED.
BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SAFETY FUNCTION IN THERE.
A HIGHWAY'S DESIGNED TO GO 80, BUT WE ASK IT TO GO 65.
SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SAFETY FUNCTION FOR SPEED.
AND SO THE PREDOMINANT AMOUNT OF THE PUBLIC IS GOING, YOU KNOW, IS IS ABIDING BY THE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIGN OF, OF THE ROADWAY.
SO THE ROADWAY'S FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY.
15% IS HIGHER, IS IS GOING HIGHER.
AND THE QUESTION IS THOUGH, IS THAT, AND THAT WAS THE RE THAT WAS THE INFERENCE THAT WE GOT FROM THE ENGINEER IS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL OF THESE ITEMS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUESTIONABLE IF THEY'RE EFFECTIVE ON THAT 15%, THE OUTLIERS, THEY'RE VERY EFFECTIVE AT LOWERING, YOU KNOW, THE 85% OF US THAT ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES.
SO IF WE'RE GOING 35, WE'LL WE'LL ADJUST AND GO 30 NOW WITH A SPEED UP.
BUT THE QUESTION IS THAT GUY GOING 60 MILES AN HOUR, HE'S STILL GONNA GO 68 MILES AN HOUR POSSIBLY.
HE MAY BE SHOT IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND I THINK THE VOLUME IS PROBABLY COMING FROM OR CREEK DRIVE IN THE PEAK AREAS IN THE MORNING AND THE EVENINGS CAUSE THEY BACK UP THAT OYSTER CREEK AND PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD CUT BACK THROUGH ANYWAY TO GO BACK DOWN TO UH, THAT WAY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET BOGGED UP THERE AT OYSTER CREEK DRIVE.
WHAT I DUNNO IS VOLUME COMES FROM WHAT I CAN'T TELL COUNCIL, I MEAN I'M NOT A TRAFFICK ENGINEER.
THEY COULD BE QUITE EFFECTIVE AT REDUCING VOLUME.
I MEAN THERE COULD BE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT USE ANYWAY AS A CUT THROUGH AND SAY, WELL NOW THERE'S SPEED UPS ON HERE, I'M JUST GOING TO GO, YOU KNOW, ON THAT WAY IT SLOWS ME DOWN.
I I FIND A, YOU KNOW, A FASTER OUT.
I JUST, I STAFF DOESN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO, TO THOSE QUESTIONS.
LITTLE, A MOTORCYCLE HITTING A SPEED BUMP ONE TIME.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY FEARS THOUGH IS THAT, THAT IT'LL CAUSE MORE ACTION.
I MEAN IF A CAR HITS IT GOING 68 CAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS THERE, THAT MIGHT BE JUST ENOUGH TO GET AN AIRBORNE INTO THE DITCH.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT, OKAY, 68, WHY IS IT GOING 68 THOUGH? I, I MEAN I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T WANT HIM TO DIE ANYMORE THAN I WANT ANYBODY ELSE.
MM-HMM
CARS ARE GOING INTO HOMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO, SO WE COME UP WITH THE 68, IS THAT WHAT THE STUDY READ THE HIGHEST? NO, I THINK WE IS THAT THE NUMBER WE THREW OUT AT THAT? NO, IT WAS, THE STUDY SHOWED ONE CAR GOING 68.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE SPEED OF THE GENTLEMAN THAT ACTUALLY RAN INTO THE HOMES AND THE CURB, BUT NO, FROM THE ONE STUDY WHAT WE HAD, WE DID SPOT A CAR, MEASURE A CAR GOING 68 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL HONESTLY.
SO LISTENING TO ALL THIS, LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS AND LISTENING TO THE DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY A PLACE FOR ENGINEERING STUDIES, FOR STATISTICS, FOR DATA, FOR ALL THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT WE'RE MAYBE NOT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION IS YOU HAVE CITIZENS WHO FEEL UNSAFE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS.
WE'RE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT STARTED OUT AS A YOUNG FAMILY.
YEAH, THEY'RE ALL OLDER, THEY SOLD OUT.
IT WAS OLDER PEOPLE, NOW THEY'RE COMING BACK TO ALL YOUNG FAMILIES IN THERE AGAIN WITH SMALL CHILDREN, ESPECIALLY SMALL CHILDREN.
AND I'M JUST GONNA TAKE ALL THE STATISTIC DATA VIEWPOINT OUT OF IT, JUST SOMETHING ELSE TO CONSIDER.
I'VE WORKED AT PEDIATRIC CODE AND THE GUY WASN'T SPEEDING, IT WAS TRAUMATIC AND IT WAS FATAL.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE DO NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THESE STREETS 24 7 DON'T FEEL SAFE IN THEIR HOMES ON THEIR STREETS.
NOW I HATE SPEED BUMPS AND I LIVE ON A 90 DEGREE TURN THAT I'VE SEEN MULTIPLE CRASHES THAT I STILL WOULDN'T WANT A SPEED BUMP, BUT I DON'T LIVE ON ANY WAY ANYMORE.
AND I JUST THINK THAT IT IS A COMPONENT THAT WE SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN MAKING A DECISION THAT YOU HAVE CITIZENS THAT ARE ASKING FOR A WAY TO PROTECT THEIR, THEIR HOMES AND THEIR, THEIR KIDS AND THEIR GRANDKIDS.
I MEAN, IN LAKE JACKSON, THE CITY OF ENCHANTMENT AND TREES, WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND NOT GET RAN OVER.
I DON'T LET MY KIDS RIDE THE BIKES.
NO, BECAUSE PEOPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE IF YOU, SO HOW
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DO WE MAKE THEM CARE IS MY QUESTION.WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT 'EM CUTTING DOWN IF WE DON'T WANT THE CONTRACTORS CUTTING DOWN TREES, CHARGING 'EM $500 DOESN'T HELP.
SO HOW DO WE MAKE THEM CARE? MAYBE IT'S SPEED BUMPS.
THANK YOU NO MORE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT.
WELL THEY HAVEN'T WE DONE THAT.
YEAH, WELL WE DO FOR PERIODS OF TIME AND THEN WE MOVE OFF AND STUFF AND THEN THEY OF COURSE THEY KNOW EVERYBODY'S GONE.
AND IT'S AGAIN THE THE THE I UNDERSTAND RON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND AND I THINK WE, WE, WE ALL FEEL THAT HAVE THE SAME FEELING.
THE THE THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE THOUGH IS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROCESS THAT YOU FOLLOW, YOU DON'T HAVE CONSISTENCY.
SO IF THE DEFAULT IS LET'S JUST DO A SURVEY OF THE CITIZENS AND IF THEY WANT SPEED BUMPS, WELL THEN WE'LL GO SPEND SPEED, PUT SPEED, SPEED BUMPS ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER EITHER.
WELL, I MEAN AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THERE'S A BALANCE HERE BETWEEN THE CONSISTENCY OF THE DATA AND THE STATISTICS AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.
UM, AND I MEAN THIS IS NOT APPARENTLY A, A LIMITED ISSUE BECAUSE THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY'VE COME BACK AND THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN PLACE OR THE ANSWERS THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM.
AND SO I JUST THINK I WANNA LOOK AT A BIGGER PICTURE BESIDES SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T LIVE ON THAT STREET'S OPINION, WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, WHO DOESN'T HAVE TO SEE THEM COME INTO AN EMERGENCY ROOM RUN OVER.
SO I MEAN I GUESS I LOOK AT THAT PART OF IT AND WE CAN ALWAYS, I MEAN I, I THINK I SAID THIS TO MODESTO, WE CAN TRY IT, WE CAN GIVE IT A SHOT FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AND IF THE CITIZENS ARE UNHAPPY THEN WE CAN PULL 'EM OR SEE IF IT HELPED AND MADE A DIFFERENCE.
AND I MEAN I'M NOT POST, I MEAN I'M NOT SAYING WE CONCRETE 'EM IN FOREVER.
I MEAN THERE'S ALWAYS OPTIONS IF EVERYBODY ON THE STREET MAY END UP HATING THEM AND THEY MAY COME BACK TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT 'EM ANYMORE.
AND THEN WE CAN, MY QUESTION IS IF WE WENT TAKE 'EM OFF, IF WE WENT TO SPEED BUMPS, HOW WILL WE KNOW HOW MANY SPEED BUMPS WILL WE HAVE TO HAVE ON A LONG STREET LIKE THAT OR, SO THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S STANDARDS.
THERE'S STANDARDS ON HOW FAR APART THEY HAVE TO BE.
IT'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET THEY HAVE TO BE APART TO BE EFFECTIVE AND STUFF.
AND THAT'S WHEN YOU START RUNNING INTO A PROBLEM OF, AGAIN, PUTTING THEM RIGHT NOW IT SOUNDS LIKE, SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH PUTTING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE.
UH, IN WALNUT THEY HAD THAT ISSUE SO THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T WANT IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES.
I JUST, SOMETHING JUST NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR A CHILD.
THE THE OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE SEEN, UH, WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT BEVERLY HILLS AND SANTA MONICA, THEY USUALLY ASK THE RESIDENTS ONCE THE, THEY HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT THE BLOCK WANTS IT AND MEETS THAT CRITERIA AND WE'LL LET'S ASSUME THAT IT'S VERY EXTREMELY HIGHER THAT IT WOULD MEET THAT STANDARD.
THEN THE, THEN THEY HAVE TO, THEN THEY ASK, YOU KNOW, FOUR RESIDENTS, CUZ YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE GONNA PUT UP TWO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE USUALLY TWO, A SET OF TWO, YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA GET FOUR RESIDENTS IN AGREEMENT
AND SOMETIMES WE'VE, THAT HAS PROVEN DIFFICULT TO GET SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, TO AGREE IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE BUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT 'EM IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING EVERYBODY TO SAY I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT THEN WHEN IT'S LIKE, UH, IT'S IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, SOMETIMES THAT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THAT CAN BE ACHIEVED AND SOMETIMES IT JUST TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF WORK.
AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT WAS, AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT CHANGING, CHANGING THE PROCEDURE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT WE DO HERE AND BE ABLE TO APPLY IT ACROSS THE CITY EQUALLY.
SO IF YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU RUN THE DATA, DATA GETS TO WHERE IT'S PRETTY CLOSE OR WHATEVER AND THEN YOU SAY, OKAY, OUR NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE IS WE'LL SURVEY THE RESIDENTS.
OKAY, WHAT RESIDENTS DO YOU SURVEY? TAKE ANY WAY FOR AN EXAMPLE, DO YOU JUST SURVEY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON ANYWAY OR DO YOU SURVEY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON LIKE STAG HORN COURT THAT AREN'T ON ANY ANYWAY BUT THEY HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN STAG HORN COURT OR WHAT? THAT'S ANOTHER MISSILE TO MISSILE.
OUR POLICY SAYS THAT STAFF WILL DETERMINE THE, UH, YOU KNOW, THE SCOPE OF SIZE OF THE SURVEY.
SO IN THIS INSTANCE, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO REALLY ASK EVERYBODY, I WOULD ASK, UH, YOU KNOW, STACK ONN COURT, THOSE THAT ARE LOCKED, THEY'RE DEAD IN, WHO ARE DEAD IN AND HAVE TO USE ANYWAY.
I'D PROBABLY INCORPORATE THEM ALSO, DO THEY HAVE AS BIG AS SAY AS SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY LIVES ON ANY WAY THAT'S DEBATABLE, BUT THEY DO HAVE TO RIDE DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD.
SO WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, OPENED UP A LITTLE BIT BUT MORE, NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE, BUT
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WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE INCLUDED THEM AND UH, ANOTHER STREET.I THINK THEY HAVE TWO WAYS WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED THEM.
WE'VE JUST PROBABLY WOULD'VE HOW SILVER RAIL.
SO ANY, YEAH, SO ANY OF THOSE STREETS PROBABLY YOU JUST HAD TO, WERE FORCED TO USE THAT ROAD.
WE PROBABLY WOULD'VE INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, INCLUDED THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, IN ON THE CONVERSA ON THE CONVERSATION.
SO AGAIN, I'M GOING BACK TO THE, THE ENGINEERING, UH, EXPERT THAT CAME AND TALKED TO US AND I REMEMBER, I THINK IT WAS CHASE THAT ASKED HIM IF IT WAS ABOVE 35, WOULD THE ANSWER THERE BE SPEED BUMPS? AND I REMEMBER THE ANSWER BEING NO, THAT THERE'S STILL, AGAIN, BECAUSE IT YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE A PARTICULAR TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, NOT, NOT JUST ALL, YOU KNOW, SPEED GENERAL, THE NEXT LEVEL UP IN THIS INSTANCE STILL WOULD'VE INCLUDED THAT.
SO I GOTTA WONDER WHAT, WHAT ELSE IS THERE TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE WISE THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT? WELL I THINK THAT WERE ONLY SEEN TO BE FOCUSED ON SPEED BUMPS, BUT THIS GUY CERTAINLY ANOTHER THING THING'S BEEN, BEEN DISCUSSED SEVERAL TIMES AND IS IS DEAD INNING ANYWAY WHERE AT DOWN ON THE OCEAN CREEK SIDE MAN, THEN YOU THROWING THEM ON MY STREET
BUT I'M JUST, I'M ON TULIP TRAIL RIGHT THERE.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M JUST THROWING OUT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND THAT IS A CALMING DEVICE IS TO DEAD END STREET THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT.
AND IF THE PROBLEM IS VOLUME IS THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ADDRESS WHY THAT COULD ADDRESS Y BACK DOWN THIS YEAR.
AND I THINK IN THE PAST WE DID HAVE SPEED BUMPS ON TULIP TRAIL.
I REMEMBER WE DID BY REQUESTS AND IT WAS A, IT WAS EARLY ON, IT WAS OUR FIRST ATTEMPT TO LOOK AT IT AND, BUT UH, WE, THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME ASKED FOR INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN EMS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS LUKE WARM EMS, I BELIEVE WAS THE ONE THAT, UH, REALLY DIDN'T LIKE HIM ON THE AMBULANCES.
UH, AND SO THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THEY'D BE REMOVED AS AS A, AS A, AS A TEST.
UH, SINCE THEN OUR AMBULANCES HAVE BECOME, YOU KNOW, TRUCKS
SO I THINK THEY MAY HAVE TAKEN, AND IN THE PAST WE USED A TRUE SPEED BUMP INSTEAD OF SPEED CUSHION.
THEY'RE NOW THE, THE ONE THAT WE DID THEN WERE, WERE LIKE THE ONES IN THE SHOPPING CENTER AND NOW THEY'VE BECOME SHORTER AND FLATTER.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENT STYLE THAN WE USED ON THAT INITIAL TEST WHERE WE WERE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE DEPARTMENTS.
SO MAYBE I WAS IN THIS INTEREST WHEN I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER IS NOT, I WAS SAYING WE SHOULD WHAT SPEED, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE RESIDENTS ON THE STREET THINK THAT WOULD BE THE SAVIOR, YOU KNOW, TO PUT SPEED BUMPS.
SO IF IT'S NOT SPEED BUMPS AND WHATEVER IT IS, WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTION SO WE CAN PUT THAT TO BED.
YOU KNOW, CAUSE COUNCIL AND BLANCHARD WENT DOWN THE WHOLE STREET AND EVERYBODY IN THE WIND END OF THE STREET IS PUT A SPEED BUMP AND THE PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
AND WE WORKED ALONG HARD ON THE MANUAL TO DETERMINE WHAT THINGS TO USE AND WHAT SCENARIOS.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT WE CAN USE IN THE CURRENT SCENARIO FOR ANY WAY.
WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE, NOT THE SPEED BONES, BUT WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO USE FOR IT TO BE EFFECTIVE SO PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN THEIR OWNS WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT SOMEBODY RUNNING INTO THEM.
DO YOU CAN, CAN YOU COME UP IN YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH ALL THE POLICE CHIEFS IN THE WORLD DO, DO THEY HAVE A SOLUTION? DO YOU HAVE A SOLUTION FOR US OR, AND DO YOU HAVE BOY WORKS IN SETTING UP FOR FAILURE? UH, HERE? UH, I MEAN HAVE YOU, I MEAN IS THERE SOMETHING THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, THAT IT THAT IT'S WORKED SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT MIGHT WORK HERE? NO, AND IT IS HARD TO HAVE A PROCESS FOR EVERY STREET CUZ JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET, IT WAS DESIGNED AS A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
THERE'S SOME UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT ANYWAY THOUGH IT CREATES A NORTH SOUTH WHERE YOU CAN GET FROM THE NORTH END AND GET DOWN TO OYSTER CREEK DRIVE.
SO IT'S USED AS A CUT THROUGH NOW AND I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT.
UM, I RAISED MY KIDS ON CENTER WAY STREET, THERE WAS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON CENTER WAY I'D PUT MONEY THAT THERE WAS JUST AS MUCH TRAFFIC ON CENTER WAY CUZ IT WAS THE EAST WEST.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING THERE WAS A STOP SIGN JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER INTERSECTING STREET, UH, ANYWAY, DOESN'T HAVE THAT.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE MOST RECENT INCIDENT, UH, THAT ALWAYS COMES TO MIND, UH, LIKE THE CITY MANAGERS.
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NOT A BAD PERSON AND HE WASN'T TRYING TO HARM ANYONE.UH, HE JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF HE LOST CONTROL.
UH, THE FACT THAT THE ROAD CURVED AND NARROWED IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAD AN ACCIDENT.
SO WHEN HE HIT THE CURB ON THE OTHER SIDE, THEN HE CORRECTS BACK THE OTHER WAY.
UH, ANYTHING YOU PUT IN THE ROAD CAN CAUSE THAT SAME REACTION IF YOU'RE A KNUCKLEHEAD.
UH, SO, UH, NOT POINTING EITHER YOU'RE A KNUCKLEHEAD.
I'M JUST POINT I LIKE, I LIKE THE, THE TERM YOU COINED THERE.
UH, SO I REALLY, I DON'T, UH, ENFORCEMENT WORKS FOR AS LONG AS YOU'RE THERE.
UH, AND UH, ALTHOUGH I KNOW IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT WITH ANY WAY CUZ THERE ARE SOME UNIQUE THINGS ABOUT IT.
UH, THIS IS A COMPLAINT THAT WE DEAL WITH AS FAR AS THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE ALL OVER TOWN.
AS SOON AS YOU LOOK THE OTHER WAY, IF PEOPLE ARE JUST OTHER PEOPLE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE FLOW OF WATER.
IF THERE'S A RESTRICTION OVER HERE, THEY'RE GONNA FIND THAT OTHER VEIN AND THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE GONNA GO.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED ON ANYBODY.
THE THING THAT'S ALSO DISAPPOINTING IS, UM, WHEN YOU DO PUT POLICE OFFICERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, SOCIAL MEDIA LIGHTS UP, THEY'RE PUTTING SPEED TRAPS OUT HERE.
THEY'RE DOING THIS, DOING THAT.
THE GOOD THING THOUGH IS, IS LAST WEEK OR SO WHENEVER Y'ALL HAD OFFICERS OUT, YOU HAD MOTORCYCLE COPS OUT IN RESIDENTIAL AREA AND UH, SOME OF Y'ALL MAY NOT KNOW IS THAT WHENEVER WE GET A REQUEST FOR A UH, UH, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO TRAFFIC AND SAYS THAT THEY HAVE A, UM, UH, CONCERN ABOUT SPEEDING ON TRAFFIC IS WE USED TO RIGHT AWAY DO A STUDY.
NOW WE SEND PATROL AND THEY DO JUST A SPOT CHECK TO SEE IF WE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THEY BRING THAT EXTRA DATA BACK.
SO, SO TRAFFIC HAS THAT INFORMATION ALSO ON BEFORE THEY GO TO DO, UH, THE STUDIES AND STUFF.
BUT ANYWAY, THE GOOD THING WAS IS THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT STARTED TAKING UP FOR, WELL I'M GLAD THEY'RE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE NOT SPEEDING YOU JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO WORRY ABOUT.
SO WELL, BUT ANYWAYS, JUST THAT IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE CAN'T WIN, YOU KNOW, IF WE PUT THE OFFICERS OUT THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA LIKE IT.
THERE'S GONNA, PEOPLE ARE GONNA HATE IT AND UH, BUT WE'RE PUTTING 'EM OUT THERE FOR THE RIGHT REASON, BUT WE CAN'T HAVE 'EM OUT THERE 24 7.
GOING BACK TO SOME OF THE STUFF YOU SAID, WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS, IS THE REASON WHY I SEE FLEXIBILITY IN ON ANY WAY WITH MAKING A STEP TO DOING SOME CALMING IS BECAUSE I DO THINK FOR WHATEVER REASON WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL STREET THAT HAS BECOME A COLLECTOR AND SO IT'S GOT MORE VOLUME ON IT.
AND SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS VOLUME? THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT WE COULD SAY, OKAY, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUT SPEED BUMPS OUT THERE, SPEED TABLES TO TRY IT FOR A WHILE AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
THE ISSUE IS IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE THAT TRAFFIC AND WE'RE GONNA PUSH IT ONTO ANOTHER STREET AND IT COULD BE Y'ALL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW, JB STREET OR WHATEVER AND OR HOPEFULLY YOU'LL MOVE COMPLETE OUTTA THERE AND PEOPLE STAY ON THAT WAY IN WEST CREEK DRIVE.
AND, AND I'LL ADD THIS, THERE ARE SOME MORE AGGRESSIVE ENFORCEMENT, UH, BEING THAT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
I THINK HOWEVER YOU DECIDE THIS STREET AND SOME OTHERS, UH, DESERVES A UNIQUE LOOK.
EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE A PROCESS BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S A WIDER ROAD.
IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY STOP SIGNS TO SLOW YOU DOWN AND IT IS A CUT THROUGH NOW.
UH, YOU CAN DO AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN TRY THAT FOR A WHILE, UH, TO REALLY MAKE AN IMPRESSION, A TASK FORCE STYLE WHERE RIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE YEARS AGO TO, TO ADD BACK A MOTORS TEAM, UH, TO THE CITY AND WE DO, WE HAVE A COMPLAINT BOARD.
SO WHEN WE GET A CONCERN, UH, WE PUT IT ON THERE AND WE FOCUS.
BUT YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BOARD JUST ROLLS ALWAYS CUZ THERE'S CONCERNS ALL OVER TOWN AND WE TRY AND ADDRESS 'EM.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS AN OPTION, ESPECIALLY IN THE SHORT TERM WHILE WE COLLECT THAT DATA.
BUT, BUT REALLY FOCUSED, UH, EXTRA TIME SPENT, UM, YOU KNOW, A ZERO TOLERANCE TYPE ENFORCEMENT, UH, IN THAT AREA.
IF YOU COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
HAVE WE HAD LOOKED INTO TRAVEL PEARLAND SOMETIME AND THEY, SOME OF THE CUT SHOOTS THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE THE SIGNS UP WITH THE SPEED RIGHT POSTED AND TO SLOW DOWN AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
HAVE WE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ONES THAT HAVE THE ALSO THE SPEED READOUT.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? ANYTHING LIKE THAT DOWN? THEY'RE SMALLER THAN THE WAGON.
IT'S BASICALLY A SPEED SIGN WITH THE, IT'S POSTED THERE ALL THE TIME.
DO WE EVEN HAVE IT'S PERMANENT CURVE INDICATORS? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S NOT A SHARP ENOUGH CURVE, BUT ARE THERE REFLECTIVE CURVE INDICATORS? IT'S BEEN TOO LONG SINCE I'VE OH, THERE SEEN IT AT NIGHT.
CAUSE THE CURVE REALLY IS AN ISSUE.
NOW GRANTED ARE THEY, IT'S STRAIGHT AND IT'S OPEN SO THEY MAY DRIVE FAST, BUT YOU KNOW, ACCIDENTS USUALLY HAVE,
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YOU KNOW, SOME CONTRIBUTING FACTOR OTHER THAN SPEED AS WELL IN ATTENTION, UH, OBSTACLES.YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU LOSE CONTROL, A LOT OF FOLKS WILL DRIFT OFF THE SHOULDER, BUT THEY'LL CATCH THEMSELVES IF THERE'S NOT A CURVE, UH, CURVES CAN CAUSE AN ISSUE AS FAR AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
SO THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, I LIKE YOUR OFFER OR SUGGESTION ABOUT DOING THE TASK FORCE APPROACH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES, IT TAKES ABOUT 30 DAYS TO CHANGE OF BEHAVIOR, YOU KNOW, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO PUT A TASK FORCE, BECAUSE THE OTHER REASON WHY I'M LOOKING AT THE TASK FORCE OPTION IS, IS BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST ANYONE, IT'S SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE, WE HAVE AN ONGOING ISSUE.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE AN ISSUE ACROSS THE CITY AND I THINK IT MAY, A TASK TASK FORCE APPROACH MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT.
CERTAINLY IT'LL MAKE THE ROAD LESS APPEALING TO RIGHT.
TO THE KNUCKLEHEADS, UH, FOR A WHILE FOR SURE.
WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF SOLUTIONS,
UM, I REALLY ENJOYED JUST CONVERSATION.
UH, GARY HUNTER ONE 17 ESKE
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT HOW ACCURATE YOUR DATA IS.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOUR NUMBERS, BUT I'M IN AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU AND, AND I THINK THE RESIDENCES ARE AS WELL.
UM, BUT FIRST OF ALL, AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, UH, UH, MAYOR, ABOUT HAVING A CONSISTENT WAY OF DEALING WITH THIS ACROSS THE CITY.
UM, BUT ONE THING I DID NOTICE WHEN THE STUDY WAS DONE ON ANYWAY STREET, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS THE ENGINEER THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS OR WAS LACK OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE ENGINEERS AND SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT ONE OF THOSE FLASHING SPEED LIMIT SIGNS WAS POSED RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE STUDY STRIP THE STUDY STRIP.
NOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, RIGHT? YOU'RE ALWAYS TELLING PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN WHEN YOU'RE DOING A STUDY TO FIND OUT HOW FAST THEY REALLY GO.
SO THE TEST DATA IS TAINTED, RIGHT.
FIND ANOTHER ENGINEER, RIGHT? YEAH.
THAT, THAT WAS, UH, WHEN WE PUT WHAT, WHEN WE PUT THOSE UP, WE HAD PUT THOSE UP PRIOR TO HIRING THE ENGINEER AND YOU'RE CORRECT, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THOSE DOWN ONCE WE HIRED THE ENGINEER AND WE JUST FAIL, YOU KNOW, TO LEAD, TO LEAD THEM UP, RIGHT? CAUSE USUALLY WHAT WE DO IS, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED COLLECTING DATA, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION SEPARATELY AND THEN WE DECIDED TO, I DECIDED DIRECTED STAFF TO GO AHEAD AND HIRE AN ENGINEER TO COLLECT THEIR OWN DATA, BUT THEN WE DID REMOVE THE TRAVEL TRAILER.
BUT THAT, BUT THAT TRAVEL TRAILER WASN'T THERE FOR THE TWO OF THE STUDIES, RIGHT? YEAH.
IT, I DO THINK IT WAS THERE, IT REMAINED THERE WHEN KIMLEY HORN DID THEIR STUDY.
IT, IT WAS THERE FOR A LONG TIME.
I'M, I'M SKEPTIC, I'M SKEPTICAL OF THE TRAVEL TRAILER.
IF THEY HAVE AN EFFECT, UH, UH, LONG TERM THEY'RE, THEY'VE SHOWN NOT TO IN THE SHORT TERM, THEY STILL COULD BE EFFECTIVE AND COULD IT TAKE THE DATA LONG TERM THEY'RE NOT AFFECT, RIGHT? YEAH.
UM, AND SO HOW MANY STUDIES HAVE WE DONE ACROSS THE CITY, ACROSS THE CITY, THE CITY, THE CITY HIRING A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR, UH, NO.
HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE DONE A STUDY DATA, COLLECTING DATA TO, TO, TO SEE THERE'S ANY COMMON MEASURES NECESSARY? WE'RE PROBABLY 30, 40 TIMES JUST PUTTING THE STRIPS OUT, PUTTING THE STRIPS OUT, OUR COLLECTION STRIPS.
OVER THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WE AT LEAST DO ONE A YEAR.
AND DID WE DO ANY ACTION ON THOSE? UH, ONLY, UH, WALNUT IS THE ONLY TIME THAT WE'VE HAD ONE WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY PUSHED, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 85TH PERCENTILE OR FIVE MILES AN OVER AND IT WAS SOMETIMES, I THINK ONE WAS, IT WAS 34 OR 36 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT MOST OF THE TIME THERE, THE 85TH PERCENTILE HAS BEEN UNDER, SO, SO ONE STREET OUT OF 30 STUDIES OR 40 STUDIES? POSSIBLY.
YOU SAID 30 TO 40? I WOULD SAY.
UM, MAN, I, I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY, YOU KNOW, TACKLING THESE ISSUES AS STRONGLY AS WE SHOULD BE.
UM, I MEAN, I MENTIONED THESE ISSUES TO, TO ALL OF YOU BEFORE THIS ACCIDENT HAPPENED.
I SAID THERE'S GONNA BE AN ACCIDENT CUZ I WALKED THE STREET EVERY DAY AND I WAVE THESE PEOPLE DOWN.
I CAN TELL HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING.
I WAVE 'EM DOWN, THEY SHOOT THE FINGER AT ME, THEY GO FASTER.
SO I WARN Y'ALL, AND THE ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING ALL KINDS OF MEASURES, LIKE PUTTING INCANS AND ISLANDS AND WELL, THIS ISLAND WAS A CONTRIBUTORY
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TO THIS ACCIDENT.IT WAS A SURPRISE FOR THE DRIVER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO PUT THOSE KINDS OF MEASURES IN PLACE.
WHAT KIND OF SUCCESS HAVE WE HAD AT WALNUT THAT WE JUST, WE DON'T HAVE GOOD DATA, UH, ON TO SEE IF, IF IT'S BEEN SUCCESSFUL, WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT AND RESTUDY TO SEE IF IT, IF IT HAS BEEN AFFECTUAL THE INITIAL YEAR.
I BELIEVE IT HAD SHOWN THAT IT HAD SOME SUCCESS LONG TERM.
I THINK WE'VE LOOKED AT IT LONG TERM TO SEE IF IT'S, THAT'S PRETTY LA IF IT'S BEEN, I WOULD THINK IF YOU WOULD BE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THESE, THE EFFECT, THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THESE SPEED BUMPS, THAT YOU WOULD BE QUICKLY OUT THERE SEEING IF THEY'RE, IF THEY ARE EFFECTIVE OR NOT.
WAIT, THERE'S NO, WE KNOW, WE KNOW THAT IT'S EFFECTIVE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT SPEED BUMPS ARE EFFECTIVE.
HAVE YOU DONE A STUDY? UM, WELL, WE'RE USUALLY THE NATIONAL, YOU KNOW, THE DATA ON THERE AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT WALNUT INITIALLY IT WAS EFFECTIVE.
WE'VE NOT TAKEN A LOOK FROM THAT, THAT FIRST YEAR TO SEE LONG TERM IT'S EFFECTIVE.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY EFFECTIVE ON THE OUTLIER SPEED? THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT IF WE PUT SPEED HUBS UP, AND MY ADVICE COUNCIL WOULD BE THAT IT WILL AFFECT THE 85TH PERCENTILE.
THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT IS GOING 35 OR LESS WILL SLOW DOWN.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE THEY, WE CAN'T FIND ANY DATA OR AN ENGINEER THAT WILL SAY THAT THEY'RE EFFECTIVE TO THE PERSON WHO'S GOING REALLY FAST.
YOU KNOW, THE 65, YOU HAVE WALNUT STREET TO STUDY THAT.
WALNUT WAS, WALNUT WAS SPEED WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM, WAS WALNUT.
THE BIGGEST PART OF THAT PROBLEM WAS VOLUME.
AND SO WE PROBABLY HAVE DATA THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT VOLUME HAS CHANGED BECAUSE OF LIKE, ANYWAY, STREET.
THAT'S WHY I KEEP ON BRINGING UP ANYWAY.
JUST LIKE WALNUT CHANGED WHENEVER THE OVERPASSES CAME IN AND THE STATE CAME IN AND PUT IN THEIR FUNKY, UH, FEEDERS, THE FEEDER SYSTEM THEY DID, WHERE THEY PUSHED ALL THAT TRAFFIC INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WALNUT BECAME A, A FLOW THROUGH STREET.
THE THING THAT'S INTERESTED ABOUT WALNUT THOUGH IS, IS WHAT'S DISAPPOINTING IS THAT IT INCREASED TRAFFIC FLOW, BUT WE WERE ABLE, WE DID ENOUGH COLLECTION, DATA COLLECTION WAS IS THAT, UH, MOST OF ALL THE DATA, ALL THE, THAT IT WAS THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WERE DOING THE SPEEDING AND HAD CHANGED THEIR DRIVING HABITS AND THEN IT MOVED IT ALL OVER TO OLEANDER.
SO IT JUST MOVES, IT JUST MOVES THE PROBLEM AWAY.
WELL, YEAH, AND I AGREE IT DOES MOVE THE PROBLEM.
AND I FULLY ANTICIPATE IF WE WERE TO DO SOME CALMING MEASURES ON, ON ANYWAY STREET I LIVE ON MESTE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT ONE.
IN FACT, WE'RE GETTING PART OF IT.
LIKE I SAID TO Y'ALL, UH, SEVERAL MEETINGS AGO, IF THESE PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, PROBLEM PEOPLE MISS ANYWAY STREET, THEY TAKE MESQUITE AND IF THEY MISS MESQUITE, THEY TAKE BOGANVILLE.
BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS THEY'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT INTERSECTION OUT THERE AT OYSTER CREEK AND, AND THE, UH, WAS IT 3 32? RIGHT? RIGHT.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANNA STACK UP.
THEY DON'T WANNA GET STACKED UP ON THAT WAY STREET.
SO SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ENGINEERED ABOUT THAT TRAFFIC LIGHT SIGNAL OUT THERE DURING RUSH HOUR PERIODS.
UM, BUT SO RIGHT, YOU, YOU ALSO TALKED ABOUT, AND I I I SUGGESTED THIS TO Y'ALL ONCE ALSO, WHAT ABOUT TEMPORARY SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED CUSHIONS? OKAY.
AND I'VE, I'VE TALKED TO THE CU OUR, OUR RESIDENCE IS ON ANY WAY STREET AND THEY ASKED THEM ABOUT THAT AND THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU PUT 'EM DOWN, THEY'RE JUST GONNA STAY THERE.
I, I'M, BUT I, I TOLD HIM, I SAID, NO, I'M REALLY TALK ABOUT TEMPORARY.
YOU PUT 'EM DOWN FOR THREE MONTHS, THE BO THE, THE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT ARE CAUSING THE ISSUE WILL FIND ANOTHER ROUTE.
OKAY? PULL 'EM BACK UP, MOVE 'EM BACK, MOVE EM OVER TO MESQUITE STREET,
WHEN THEY GET THEY, THEY MOVE OVER TO BOGANVILLE, YOU'RE MOVING OVER TO BO WAY AND EVENTUALLY THEY'LL GET IT.
OR THEY'RE JUST GONNA STAY ON THAT WAY STREET AND JUST GET IN LINE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, THAT IS A GOOD ISSUE FOR THOSE RESIDENCES THAT DON'T WANT SPEED BUMPS.
AND WHEN ARE WE GONNA STOP THIS DISCUSSION AND DO IT? THEY WANT IT.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR THAT? IT'S NOT THAT OFTEN.
AND YOU'RE HERE TO, WHAT I'M SAYING AGAIN THOUGH IS, IS THAT JUST ABOUT EVERY STREET IN LAKE JACKSON,
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IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE, RIGHT, THEY WILL SAY THAT, I THINK I HAVE A SPEEDING ISSUE ON MY STREET.YOU DO THIS STUDY AND FIND OUT AND DON'T THE DATA AND MY AND AND I I WOULD ALMOST BE CERTAIN THAT WHEN YOU RUN YOUR DATA IS GONNA SHOW THAT PEOPLE, UNLESS IT'S A VERY CONGESTED STREET, IS THAT THE DATA IS GONNA SHOW YOU IS THAT 85 PERCENTILE IS IN THE 30 TO 34 RANGE.
FAST, HUH? I THINK THAT'S TOO FAST.
WHAT RICHWOOD HAS, UH, RESIDENTIAL STREET SPEEDS AT 20.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED, BUT YOU COULD YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.
YOU COULD CHANGE, YOU, WE COULD DECIDE TO PUT STREET, WE COULD DECIDE TO PUT ANYWAY DOWN TO 25 OR 20.
IS THAT GONNA STOP THE IDIOTS? NO.
BUT A PUT EVERYBODY, IT'LL PUT EVERYBODY DRIVING AT, IT'LL PUT THE 85 PERCENTILE DOWN TO, TO 20 TO 25.
SO DOES EVERYBODY, WELL, EVEN WITH THE SPEED BUMP, THE SPEED BUMP IS GONNA TAKE TRAFFIC DOWN TO 25 MILES AN HOUR ON STREET.
WELL, I, I DISAGREE WITH THE ARGUMENT THAT A SPEED BUMP IS NOT GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE KNUCKLEHEAD.
I MEAN, IT'LL TAKE IT OFF OF ANYWAY.
HUH? IT'LL TAKE I'M TAKE 'EM OFF OF ANYWAY.
WELL, I MEAN IF YOU, YOU SAY, I THINK THE ARGUMENT IS IF YOU PUT THE SPEED BUMPS THERE ON ANY WAY STREET THAT WE'RE STILL GONNA GET THE GUY THAT'S GONNA GO RIPPING THROUGH THERE AT 50 MILES AN HOUR.
NOW HE, IF HE CAN ACCELERATE FROM THAT SPEED BUMP TO THE NEXT ONE OKAY.
AND GET UP TO 50 MILES AN HOUR, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY DIFFICULT.
HE'S GONNA MAKE A LOT OF NOISE.
AND THAT'S WHAT MOST OF THE CONCERNS THE NEIGHBORS HAVE IS ABOUT THE NOISE OF THESE GUYS.
THEY'RE SO, YOU KNOW, P****D OFF ABOUT THE FACTORS OF SPEED BUMP THERE THAT THEY HAVE TO SLOW DOWN AND THEN SPEED UP.
WELL, THEY'RE GONNA GET TIRED OF THAT.
THEY'RE GONNA WEAR OUT THEIR BRAKES, THEY'RE GONNA WEAR OUT THEIR TIRES, AND IF THEY HIT ONE OF THESE BUMPS PRETTY HARD, THEY'RE GONNA UNLOCK THEIR FRONT END OUT ALIGNMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BUY THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'S NOT GONNA EFFECT BE CURE THE KNUCKLEHEAD OR THE 68 MILE HOUR DRIVER.
IT WORKS ON, IN A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, IT WORKS.
SO LET'S SEE IF I COVERED ALL MY POINTS HERE.
UM, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE ON.
I THINK I COVERED EVERYTHING I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
AGAIN, WHERE, WHERE I'M AT ON THIS IS IT AND IS, AND TRY TO SUMMARIZE SOME STUFF IS WE'VE GOT THE REQUESTS FROM NEIGHBORHOOD TO GO WITH, UH, SPEED TABLES, SPEED CUSHIONS, EVEN IF IT'S FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS.
UH, THE OTHER OPTION THAT WE HAVE IS THE CHIEF IS OFFERED UP, IS THAT MAYBE THE APPROACH MIGHT BE TO ADDRESS THIS AS A TASK FORCE TYPE OPERATION TO TASK FORCE THIS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND SEE IF WE CAN CHANGE BEHAVIOR.
UM, I THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE, IF YOU GO TEMPORARY WITH SPEED BUMPS OR SPEED TABLES OR YOU GO WITH THE TASK FORCE, UH, YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE BEHAVIORS.
THE KNUCKLEHEADS ARE GONNA MOVE OFF THAT STREET, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE TO SOMEPLACE ELSE AND THEY MAY EVENTUALLY COME BACK IF YOU HAVE TEMPORARY SPEED BUMPS OR WHATEVER TYPE OF STUFF, OR THE TASK FORCE MOVES ON.
THE VALUE OF THE TASK FORCE IS, IS THAT IF WE'RE COMMITTED TO THE TASK FORCE CONCEPT IS WE CAN ALWAYS BRING THE TASK FORCE BACK REAL EASY VERSUS, UH, THE SPEED TABLES.
THE OTHER THING IS, LIKE I SAID SEVERAL TIMES, IS I THINK THE REASON WHY I'M FLEXIBLE ON ANY WAY WITH THIS IS BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT ANYWAY HAS MOVED FROM THE LOOK OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET TO A, TO A, UH, COLLECTOR STREET BECAUSE OF VOLUME.
AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M FLEXIBLE ON DOING SOMETHING THERE ON ANYWAY.
AND THAT'S WHY, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET US TO WHERE WE STILL HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GO AND ADDRESS THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN LINE WANTING THE NEXT 10 PEOPLE THAT WANT SPEED BUMPS ON THEIR STREETS.
CUZ WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS IF ALL OUR PROCESS IS IS THAT WE JUST DO A SURVEY AND GET FEEDBACK AND GO DO WHAT THE CITIZENS SAY IS WE'LL HAVE SPEED BUMPS ALL THROUGH THE CITY.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SOLUTION EITHER.
SO I'VE SAID MY PIECE AND, AND SO IT'S, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS, WHAT'S COUNSEL WANNA DO? OKAY.
I'LL, I APPRECIATE MR. HUNTER.
WE MAY NOT HUG IT OUT OUTSIDE THE DOOR WHEN WE LEAVE, BUT I APPRECIATE HIS HIS INPUT FOR SURE.
SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION BASED ON ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN FROM THE CITIZENS.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE PLACE SPEED BUMPS ON ANYWAY STREET FOR A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE THAT WE CAN READDRESS IN FEBRUARY AND SEE IF IT'S WORKING OR IF IT'S NOT, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S A MOTION TO PUT TEMPORARILY TO INSTALL, UH, SPEED CUSHIONS, CUSHIONS,
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TABLES, WHATEVER WE WANT, CALL 'EM.WELL, CUSHIONS IS, IT'S SEPARATE PADS.
TABLE IS, THAT'S LIKE YOU SEE IT, UH, LOWS WHERE IT'S GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS MY JUST WE WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR THAT WE DID ON WALNUT.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE COST IN THAT? AND WHERE WE GONNA GET THAT FUND FOR SET UP? WE WILL COME BACK WITH A COST FOR YOU AND AMEND THE BUDGET.
COUNCILS, SO I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BLANCHARD TO INSTALL STALL TEMPORARY PURPOSES, SPEED CUSHIONS ON ANY WAY AS DEFINED BY USING INDUSTRY STANDARD ON DISTANCE AND NUMBER.
IS THAT OKAY? CHASE? ALL RIGHT.
UM, AND, UH, THAT WE WILL EVALUATE THEIR EFFECTIVENESS IN FEBRUARY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN.
SETH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNSEL? HEARING NONE.
AYE, JUST BECAUSE AGAIN, I'M SAYING THAT ANY WAY I THINK HAS CHANGED AS A COLLECTOR AND ANYWAY, WE'VE GOTTA CHANGE THE PRODUCT PROCEDURE, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S WAY I'M GOING.
AND WE'RE TALKING ONLY TEMPORARY TEMPORARY FOR NOW TILL FEBRUARY.
I THINK FEBRUARY'S NOT GONNA BE, FEBRUARY WILL BE TOO SOON BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GET THEM OUT THERE, IT'LL BE DECEMBER.
BE ABLE, SO PUT 'EM, SO YOU WANT SAY THREE MONTHS AFTER INSTALLATION, THREE MONTHS AFTER INSTALLATION.
HOW, HOW LONG DOES IT NORMALLY TAKE TO INSTALL THEM? WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.
I I, I, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, UM, IF COUNCIL WANTS THIS, THAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO, I'M GONNA, YOU KNOW, AGREE, UH, THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO DO JUST A QUICK STUDY OF, YOU KNOW, RECORDED THE SPEED WITHOUT THE SPEED RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE'VE DECIDED WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HAVE A PRE-MEASURE AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE INSTALLED, ALLOW FOR THREE MONTHS OKAY.
SO WE HAVE A PRE AND POST, UH, TO SEE IF IT'S EFFECTIVE.
SO, SO SOMEBODY WANTED TO AMEND THE MOTION TO HAVE THAT, THAT THEY TEMPORARY AS IN FOR THREE MONTHS AFTER INSTALLATION? YES, THAT'S, I'M OKAY WITH THAT.
SO WE HAVE A MO WE HAVE A, SO I NEED A, A SECOND ON THE AMENDMENT.
CAN WE GO WITH THAT MOTION AGAIN?
NOW WE HAVE, WE HAVE, I'M CONFUSED.
WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS AN AMENDED MOTION AMENDMENT IS CHASE IS, IS AMENDING THE MOTION TO WHERE IT WILL BE THAT THE TEMPORARY THAT WE WILL INSTALL.
IT'S THE, THE 30 DAYS STARTS AFTER THEY ARE INSTALLED.
THE THREE MONTHS, THE THREE MONTHS, SORRY, THREE MONTHS, SORRY.
THREE MONTHS STARTS WHENEVER THEY ARE INSTALLED AND AFTER THREE MONTHS WE WILL EVALUATE THEM.
AND WOULD THIS STILL INCLUDE SOME GUIDANCE FROM THE PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER ABOUT WHERE TO PUT THEM? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID.
THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WE WILL DO.
WE HAVE, WE HAVE THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER ON RETAINER.
WE WOULD PROBABLY ASK HIM, IF THE COUNCIL HAS ASKED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TRY SPEED UPS AS A STUDY, WHERE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE LOCATED ON, YOU KNOW, THE STRETCHED ROAD? SO WE'RE PUTTING HIM IN WHERE HE RECOMMENDS, AND THEN WE'D PROBABLY DO, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD DO A PRE AND POST, UH, YOU KNOW, A PRE-STUDY TO WHERE HE SAID LOCATED TO MEASURE THE SPEED THERE AND THEN PUT HIM, INSTALL HIM AND THEN DO A POST-STUDY.
SO THE AMENDMENT IS THE THIRD, THE, THE THREE MONTHS AFTER THE THREE MONTH CLOCK STARTS AFTER THEY'RE INSTALLED.
SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND AND A SECOND.
SO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SAY AYE, AYE, AYE.
GOT NOBODY FOR THE OPPOSED, RIGHT? SO THE AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED.
SO NOW WE'LL GO BACK TO ORIGINAL, UH, MOTION, WHICH WAS TO DO THE TRIAL AND, UH, ON ANYWAY WITH SPEED CUSHIONS.
AND, UH, AND THEN IT, IT'S, WE'VE GOT THE 30, WE GOT THE, WE GOT THE THREE MONTHS IN THERE NOW.
SO, SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THE, UH, THE MOTION AS AMENDED AND DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTION AS AMENDED IS? YEP.
THERE ANY QUESTION? NO QUESTION.
DO YOU HAVE TO SECOND IT OR NO? NO.
ANY OPPOS? RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA NEED TO DO THE THREE MONTHS STUDY AND MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO BUY SOME SOMEWHERE SECONDHAND, MAYBE
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ON AMAZON 19 BUCKS A YEAH, THAT I DON'T THINK WE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN USE THAT.I WISH WE COULD, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WILL BE ALLOWED TO USE THOSE.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? AND WE COULD BUY FROM, ALL RIGHT.
SO WE HAVE TO STUDY IN WALMART.
WE PULL 'EM OFF AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ONE.
[6. Discuss and consider recommendation from the Traffic Commission to install “No Parking” signs on both sides of Azalea in front of the First United Methodist Church School for Little People between the hours of 8:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. on school days – Sabrina England]
ITEM SIX, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION FROM TRAFFIC COMMISSION TO INSTALL NO PARKING SIGNS ON BOTH SIDES OF AZALEA IN FRONT OF FIRST UNITED METHOD CHURCH SCHOOL FOR LITTLE PEOPLE BETWEEN THE HOURS OF EIGHT 30 AND 9:30 AM ON SCHOOL DAYS.THEY CAME THERE, THEY REQUESTED THIS OF TRAFFIC, I THINK.
UM, SALLY, WERE YOU ABLE TO PUT IN THE DRAWING THAT MS. FRANK HAD SENT US THIS AFTERNOON? YES, THERE'S IN THERE.
IS IS MS. FRANK HERE? I'M OH, MS. FRANK, AREN'T YOU ENJOYING THIS? I DO WANT TO COMMENT THAT Y'ALL ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I APPRECIATE DOING.
SO EXPLAIN YOUR MAP HERE AT FORS IF YOU COULD.
JUST DON'T POINT IT IN YOUR EYE.
SO THIS IS OUR FIRST YEAR OF HAVING, UH, THE TRAFFIC FLOW THIS WAY.
UM, NOT THE STREET THIS WAY, BUT THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC IN THIS DIRECTION.
UH, WE HAVE HALF OF OUR SCHOOL, UH, THE TRAFFIC IS DROPPED OFF AND PICKED UP ON AZALEA, UM, IN THIS DIRECTION.
UM, IF THEY'RE COMING FROM THE 2 88 FEEDER ROAD, WE HAVE RECOMMENDED THAT THEY, UM, USE THIS CHURCH PARKING LOT TO JOIN INTO THE TRAFFIC IN THIS DIRECTION.
IF THEY'RE COMING FROM YOON, UH, WE DON'T WANT THEM TURNING ONTO AZALEA THIS WAY.
UH, WE WANT THEM TO JOIN, UH, TURN IN THIS PARKING LOT AND JOIN, UM, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, ON AZALEA IN THIS DIRECTION.
UM, IF THEY'RE COMING TO THIS DROP OFF AND PICKUP LOCATION, THEY'RE COMING FROM, UM, I THINK THAT'S ELM STREET OR OFF OF THE FEEDER ROAD OF 2 88, AND THEY'RE JOINING THE, UM, AZALEA, UH, TRAFFIC IN THIS FLOW OF THIS DIRECTION.
AND THERE'S LIKE A COVERED, UM, DRIVE THROUGH WHERE THEY GO AND KIND OF TURN AROUND AND THEY CAN PROCEED OUT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
AND YOU'RE REQUESTING, UH, NO PARKING ON AND RECOMMENDATION FROM TRAFFIC WAS NO PARKING ON BOTH SIDES, CORRECT? SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES, YES.
UM, WE'VE HAD A PRETTY, NOT A BIG ISSUE, BUT THESE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES, ONE IN PARTICULAR, UM, AT THE START OF THE SCHOOL YEAR WHERE, UM, I THINK HE OWNS A CONSTRUCTION, UM, BUSINESS, BUT, UM, THERE'S TRAFFIC ON THE, THERE'S PARKED CARS ON THE STREET AT DURING THE TIMES WHERE WE HAVE OUR DROPOFF AND PICKUP.
AND SO IT ELONGATES OUR PROCESS AND, UM, PARENTS ARE HAVING TO GO AROUND, UM, THOSE VEHICLES AND IT SORT OF MAKES IT CONGESTED WHEN THE VEHICLES ARE TRYING TO GET OUT BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING, THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET OR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AND THE VEHICLES WHO ARE LEAVING OUT.
UM, IT JUST MAKES IT CONGESTED, RIGHT.
SO WE WERE HOPING TO SORT OF REMEDY THAT.
UH, THERE'S A FIRE HYDRANT YES.
THAT WAS TOTALLY, YOU KNOW, BLOCKED WITH PARKED CARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHICH IS, WHICH WAS ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT GOT DISCUSSED AT THE, AND THAT'S THE NIGHT WE COULD RESOLVE BY PUTTING PAINT.
I MEAN, I MEAN, THERE IS A LAW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK SO MANY FEET, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO FIRE, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
AND DOES EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT IT IS? NO.
SO PAINT COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD PROBABLY HELP THE OTHER SIDE THOUGH.
WHAT WE'RE KIND OF CONFUSED, UH, CONFUSED IS, IS THAT OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS TALKED TO THE RESIDENTS AND WE FOUND IN OUR RECORDS THEY HAVE A PERMIT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
AND SO, AND THEY'VE TOLD US THAT THEY'RE NOT RUNNING A BUSINESS BUSINESS OUT OF THERE.
AND WE, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROOF, BUT THEIR HOME IS, THEY ARE REMODELING THEIR HOME.
SO THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE JUST THE TIE UP, YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT THE CONTRACTORS ARE THERE FOR THE HOME REMODELING JOB.
AND SO IT MAY NOT BE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW THEY MAY NOT BE THERE ANYMORE.
SO DID YOU FIND ANYTHING ELSE OUT OTHER THAN THAT? UH, NO.
UH, YOU KNOW, DAVID HAD POSTED A LETTER ON THE DOOR AND THE GENTLEMAN CALLED IN.
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DAVID HAD DISCUSSED WITH HIM.UH, NO, HE'S DOING, HE STATES THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BUSINESS THERE.
HE IS DOING A LARGE REMODELING ADDITION, UH, JOB ONTO HIS HOUSE AGAIN, AS SAID, IT IS PERMITTED.
UH, HE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, HIS CONTR, HE HAS TO TELL HIS CONTRACTORS THAT ARE COMING OVER, HEY, YOU CAN'T BE PARKING IN FRONT OF THESE HYDRANTS LIKE THIS.
UH, JOHN HAS BEEN OUT AND IT'S BEEN RAINING.
SO KIND OF GETTING THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED TO GO AHEAD AND PAINT TOMORROW, UM, OR WEDNESDAY AT THE LATEST.
UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND ON ALL OF THAT.
AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THAT, SO THE OTHER SIDE MAY NOT NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN THE DISCUSSION.
IT MAY BE ONLY THE SCHOOL SIDE SINCE WHATEVER THE PERCEIVED PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT, WE REALLY DON'T THINK IT EXISTS.
IT'S ONLY FOR, YOU KNOW, ONE HOUR EVEN IF WE POSSIBLY MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE.
SO, I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH DOING BOTH SIDES AND DONE WITH IT FOR ONE HOUR.
AND MY HUSBAND SAID, WHEN, WHEN I TALKED TO DAVID, HE SAID WE COULD PARK IN THE CHURCH PARKING LOT.
WE DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD DO THAT.
WE CALL HIM PARK THAT, YOU KNOW, DAVID SAID WE COULD, SO WE WE'RE OUT OF YOUR WAY, SO, OKAY.
OH, MY GUYS ARE NOT PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
THEY ARE PARKING ON THE CHURCH PARKING LOT NOW.
BUT EVER SINCE THEY STARTED, UM, WORKING ON MY HOUSE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN, UH, PARKING ON THE STREET.
IT WAS ME, MYSELF, PARKING ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
BUT SINCE, SINCE, UM, THEY STARTED DROPPING OFF THE KIDS, I HAVEN'T BEEN PARKING THERE.
ALSO, I WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THEY ARE BLOCKING OUR, OUR DRIVEWAYS ARE THE PEOPLE STACKING UP.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE THERE.
AND I DID BRING THAT UP TO MS. FRANK BECAUSE MARY, YOU SAID THAT YOU HEARD THAT AND MS. FRANK SAID THEY COULD COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR RESIDENTS AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL NEED TO BE POLITE AND CONSIDERATE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NOT PARK, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE DRIVEWAYS.
I DID, I DID SEND MESSAGES OUT TO PARENTS TODAY COMMUNICATING.
THAT'S NOT THIS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TALK.
SO I, BUT SO THERE MAY NOT BE A NEED TO PUT 'EM ON THIS SIDE, ON, ON THE, ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, BUT YOU WOULD STILL LIKE TO HAVE 'EM ON THE CHURCH SIDE, UM, IF YOU THINK THAT IT'S, YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING THE REQUEST.
UM, WE WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE THAT.
AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONLY GONNA IMPACT THEM.
THAT'S MY FEELING IS IF THEY, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY WANT IT ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN BEST BRANDON OR WHOEVER'S SAYING THAT THEY WANT, YOU KNOW, ON THEIR SIDE OF THE STREET AND IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT NEGATIVE IMPACT THOSE, THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A NO PARKING SIGN IN FRONT OF THEIR, THEIR HOMES RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT? WELL, THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE IS THE ONLY ISSUE THAT WE'RE HAVING, BUT SAYING THAT THIS IS BEING RESOLVED WITH, WITH JUST THAT ONE SIDE, THE ONE PROPERTY.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S FURTHER DOWN IS AN ISSUE.
SO HOW FAR DOWN DO YOU WANT TO GO? I DIDN'T REMEMBER.
UM, WELL, OUR PLAYGROUND IS, UM, PAST, I DON'T THINK IT'S ON THE MAP, BUT THE PLAYGROUND AREA, UM, YEAH, IT'S FURTHER DOWN IS BY THE FIRE HYDRANT.
SO, UM, IF WE COULD DO IT PAST WHERE THE PLAYGROUND AREA IS, IT'S MAYBE ABOUT A HUNDRED YARDS OR SO, UM, PAST THE, THE FIRE HYDRANT LOCATION.
THAT'S ABOUT WHERE, UM, OUR DROP OFF AND PICKUP KIND OF EXTENDS WHEN IT'S THE LENGTHIEST MILFORD.
CAN YOU BRING THAT BACK UP ON GOOGLE MAPS SO WE CAN SEE THE, HOW FAR DOWN ON THAT SIDE MAYBE DO A STREET VIEW? THAT'S RIGHT.
IF WE GO DOWN THAT FAR, IS THAT GONNA AFFECT ANY OF THE RESIDENTS THAT PARK THERE? WELL, IT'S, IT'S FOR AN HOUR HOUR.
AND, AND IT'S TWO DIFFERENT HOUR PERIODS.
AND IT'S, IT'S MAYBE ABOUT 15 MINUTES DURING THAT TIME WHERE WE'RE, WE HAVE IT, I JUST HAD A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING A SIGN UP THERE SINCE FOR 15 MINUTES, DON'T PUT RIGHT.
SO IF I'M LIVING THERE, GET UP AND GO MOVE MY CAR FOR ALL AND THEN LOOK AT THE OTHER SIDE MM-HMM.
SO MS. FRANK, WHICH HOUSE ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE WOULD STOP AT? SO, UM, I THINK IT STOPS ABOUT THERE.
MAYBE, MAYBE THE NEXT HOUSE OVER, I THINK WHERE THE PLAYGROUND ENDS, PLAYGROUND'S DIRECTLY ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE STREET.
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IT ENDS, UM, ON THE FAR LEFT HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, BUT THE TRAFFIC PROBABLY, I THINK OUR CAR RIDER LINE PROBABLY EXTENDS THAT FAR.UM, JUST WHEN IT'S AT, IT'S THE LONGEST.
UM, I THINK IT PROBABLY EXTENDS ABOUT THAT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE.
MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO STOP IT AT THE DITCH.
IF YOU SPIN AROUND, I WOULD NOT GO PAST THE DITCH.
I WOULD LEAVE THESE TWO HOMES OUT OF IT.
I THINK YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF INPUT FROM THEY WOULD HAVE FROM, FROM THE, FROM THE NEIGHBORS GOING THAT FAR.
YEAH, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT'S, THAT IS STILL PART AN OLDER PART OF TOWN WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE THE BIG DRIVEWAYS, SO THEY HAVE TO USE THE STREET TO PARK SOMETIMES.
AND IF YOU'RE A SHIFT WORKER LIKE I AM, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO WAKE UP AND TO WAKE UP IN, HAVE I GET BOTH SIDES.
BUT IS IT ALL DAY OR TIME PERIOD? JUST TWO TIME PERIODS.
SO BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET STOP AT THE DITCH THOSE TWO TIME PERIODS FOR THE RED, FOR THE BLUE SIDE.
WHAT, WHAT DO YOU NEED? I MEAN, HOW FAR UP DO YOU WANT THE NO PARKING TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE? UM, THE OTHER SIDE IS NOT RESIDENTIAL.
SO JUST GO ON THEIR SIDE, THE STREET IF THEY WANT.
IT'S JUST, UM, IS ANYBODY PARK THERE AGAIN DURING THAT TIME? I DUNNO.
ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEMS WHERE YOU HAD THE BLUE RIDING OR JUST THE RED? JUST THE RED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE JUST YES MA'AM.
BUT YOU'RE WANTING TO CHANGE TRAFFIC FLOW IN THE BLUE TO NOT ALLOW THEM TO COME DOWN AND YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO CHANGE.
IT'S THEIR, IT'S THEIR TRAFFIC.
WE CAN'T, IT'S NOT OUR, IT'S, WE CAN'T JUST YES.
IT'S, THEY'VE ALREADY JUST, THEY'RE COMMUNICATING THEIR PEOPLE JUST FOR THIS SCHOOL.
SO HOW, WHERE WOULD THE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BEGINNING AND END.
CAUSE I HAVE TO WRITE, COORDINATE AND I HAVE TO PUT FEET OR WHATEVER.
SO I WHERE WOULD YOU, SO I WOULD SAY, UM, SINCE THE, THE ISSUE IS BIGGEST WHERE THE RED, UM, IS, IT WOULD BE, UM, IN THAT SECTION, UH, CAUSE THE CHURCH HAS A, NO, THE CHURCH HAS A NO PARKING SIGN, I THINK ACROSS THE STREET, UM, WHERE THAT PARKING LOT IS.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT THE PARKING LOT.
HOW, AND DOES THE PROBLEM GO UP TO THE PARKING LOT? DOES IT STOP AT YOUR CIRCULAR DRIVE? I THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY.
SO WHAT SHE'S GOT, SHE'S GOT STACKING PRO, SHE'S HAVING STACKING TRAFFIC ON THIS.
I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT DIRECTIONS ARE HERE ANYWAY.
GOING DOWN THAT ROAD, THAT DIRECTION.
SO THEY HAVE THE STACKING PRO.
SO WOULD THAT, WOULD THAT AFFECT ON BOTH SIDES? SO ON BOTH SIDES? YES.
IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.
LIKE SHE SAID IT'S WHAT, LIKE 30? YEAH, MAYBE.
ONCE I TALKED WITH DAVID WALTER AND HE SAID MY GUYS COULD USE YOUR PARKING LOT AT THE CHURCH.
IT'S JUST FEBRUARY WHEN WE FINISH UP AND WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT CONGESTED EITHER.
SO LET'S PULL UP THE PART WITH THE BLUE AGAIN AND THAT'D BE EASIER.
SO IT IS THE RED, RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT HOW MUCH FARTHER UP THE STREET? I MEAN, I'VE GOT THE DITCH, BUT WHERE, WHERE THAT LITTLE U IS AT? THE TIP OF THE U WHERE DOES THE, WHERE YEAH, THAT'S WHERE THEY TURN IN TO GO TO THE COVER.
THIS IS THE TURN IN RIGHT HERE.
ACTUALLY, THEY TURN IN HERE TO GO PARKING.
THEY GOT ONE HOUSE RIGHT THERE.
IS THAT THIS IS WHERE Y'ALL LIVE? YES, THAT'S, YEAH.
I, I CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THIS.
SO WILL IT AFFECT THAT ONE HOUSE? MM-HMM.
SO YOU WANT, YOU WANT THEM TO SEND SOMETHING OUT FIRST.
SO THERE'S TWO, IF WE GO WITH THE, THE SPACING OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S GONNA IMPACT THIS.
IT COULD IMPACT, IT'LL IMPACT THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE HERE.
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OKAY.SO WE GOT ONE RESIDENT HERE, THAT ONE HERE.
SO WE NEED TO CHECK WHAT JB IS SUGGESTING IS, WE'LL CHECK WITH THIS ONE SAYING WE'VE HAD A REQUEST TO PUT IN NO PARKING ON YOUR SIDE OF THE STREET FROM THIS TIME TO THAT TIME.
IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR YOU? AND SEE IF WE GET THAT, WHAT FEEDBACK WE GET FROM, IS THAT WHAT JBS ASKING FOR? CORRECT.
AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHAT WE GET ON RESPONSE THERE.
AND, UH, BUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF THAT CONGESTIONS MAY JUST BE GOING AWAY BECAUSE THEIR WORK IS GONNA GET FINISHED AND, AND THEY'RE GONNA BE PARKING IN, IN YOUR PARKING LOT.
SO IT MIGHT BE JUST A WAIT AND SEE.
IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU AND, UH, WE CAN DO THIS IN A COUPLE WEEKS, TURN AROUND SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.
YEAH, WE CAN HAVE IT AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'LL, UH, REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENT AND TELL HIM WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.
AND WE'RE, AND YOU SAID WE ALREADY HAVE SCHEDULED TO PAINT AROUND THE FIRE.
SO WE'RE GONNA PAINT DO THE, UH, LETTER AND GET BACK WITH US ON YES.
THAT'S, WE'LL, WE'LL TRY TO PUT YOU UP FRONT NEXT.
YEAH, WE'LL DO A D SINCE YOU'LL BE COMING BACK.
[7. Reject Animal Control facility bids – Meagan Borth ]
TO ITEM SEVEN.AND THIS IS, UH, REJECT ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY BIDS MAY GATHER.
SO WE, UM, OPENED BIDS AND WE RECEIVED TWO BIDS.
OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN SEE THE TABULATION SHEET.
UH, REMINDER THAT THIS PROJECT WAS BID FOR 3.7 MILLION.
UM, IT WAS A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE ORIGINALLY WITH THE BOND TASK FORCE.
HOWEVER, OUR ARCHITECT, UM, FELT THAT THE 3.7 WAS SUFFICIENT.
WE MAY BE PUSHING FOUR, BUT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH MORE REALISTIC THAN THE 5000008.5 MILLIONS THAT, UH, CAME IN.
SO, UM, THORN, THE ARCHITECT GROUP DID GO.
SO WE HAD 12 COMPANIES ATTEND OUR MANDATORY PRE-BED MEETING.
AS YOU CAN SEE, ONLY TWO OF THEM BID THE PROJECT.
UM, SO HE REACHED OUT TO THEM, ESPECIALLY THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS CUZ WE HAD NO ONE LOCAL BID AND ASKED, UM, WHAT THE REASONING WAS, WHY THEY WEREN'T INTERESTED OR WHAT HAPPENED.
USUALLY IF YOU ATTEND THE PRE-BID MEETING, YOU BID, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MONEY, THEIR BOND MONEY WAS HELD UP IN OTHER PROJECTS.
UM, SOME OF THEM DIDN'T WANNA START UNTIL AFTER THE HOLIDAYS WAS ANOTHER, UH, SOME JUST THE BIGGEST THING THAT HE FOUND WAS THAT THEY WEREN'T USED TO THE TYPE OF MATERIALS AND THE TYPE OF WORK.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THORN PRIDES THEMSELVES ON IS THEY LIKE TO LOOK FOR ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS THAT BENEFIT LONG TERM, UH, COST AND ENERGY AND EVERYTHING.
UH, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID IN ATIS SCOTIA.
SO UNFORTUNATELY THE TWO THAT YOU SEE THAT BID, ESPECIALLY THE 8.5 MILLION WHEN YOU REACHED OUT TO THEM TO ASK WHY THE COST WAS SO INFLATED BASED ON CONSTRUCTION COSTS THAT THEY'RE SEEING EVERYWHERE ELSE, UM, LIKE PER SQUARE FOOTAGE AND EVERYTHING, THEY SAID THAT THEY JUST WEREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT WERE REQUIRED AND ALL THE, THE SPECS.
UM, AND SO THEY OVERESTIMATED.
UM, SO WHAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING WITH THORN IS TO REJECT THESE TWO BIDS.
UM, WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM ANYWAYS CUZ THEY'RE NOT WITHIN BUDGET.
UH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER COMPANIES THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN REBIDDING AS WELL AS THESE TWO BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY NOW HAVE.
UM, THORN IS ALSO POTENTIALLY, SO THEY ARE, THE ARCHITECT IS A PART OF A GROUP, THORN GROUP.
UH, THEY DO CONSTRUCTION WORK AS WELL.
THEY ARE POTENTIALLY GOING TO BID BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE TYPE OF MATERIALS.
SO THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEIR ESTIMATE WOULD BE.
UM, IF THEY ARE NOT THE LOWEST, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NOT GO WITH THEM.
THIS WILL STILL BE A COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS, BUT, UM, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY GONNA THROW THEIR NAMES IN AS WELL.
SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MOVING FORWARD AFTER THE HOLIDAYS.
I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S GONNA PUSH OUR TIMELINE, WHICH IS UNFORTUNATE.
UM, BUT THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THOM, AS WELL AS OUR CITY ENGINEER STAFF IS TO WAIT UNTIL CLOSER TO JANUARY TO PUT THIS BACK OUT.
YOU'LL HAVE BOND MONEY FREED UP AND THEN YOU'LL ALSO HAVE TIME AND CONSTRUCTION COMPANIES FREED UP.
SO THIS'LL BE DELAYED, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT WE REQUEST THAT YOU REJECT THESE TWO BIDS AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD.
AND IF NONE COME BACK UNDER BUDGET, UM, IN THE NEXT BID PHASE, THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SEE WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT WITHIN BUDGET.
ANY QUESTIONS? UH, TAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE UN CONTROL FACILITY BIDS AND REBID.
HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BLANCHARD.
I'M GONNA HAVE A SECOND FROM OF ZHANNA.
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ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.[8. Update on bond funds – James Bryson]
JAMES.GOOD HOLLYWOOD MORE'S YOUR DRINK.
GET YOU OUTTA WHAT MORE COULD YOU WISH FOR AT NINE O'CLOCK IS A FINANCIAL REPORT.
I'LL GET YOU OUTTA HERE FOR YOUR LOTTERY.
UH, SO AT THE LAST MEETING WE TALKED ABOUT BRINGING THE BOND REPORT TO YOU.
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANTICIPATION.
UM, THE FIRST PAGE IS A SUMMARY FOR YOU OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPEN THAT HAVE BOND MONEY AVAILABLE, UH, BROKE 'EM OUT TO YOU WITH REGARDS TO GOVERNMENT AND UTILITY.
AND YOU CAN SEE IT GIVES YOU THE YEAR THAT THE BOND WAS ISSUED, THE AMOUNT THAT WE RECEIVED INITIALLY, WHAT'S ENCUMBERED, WHAT'S EXPENDED, AND WHAT'S STILL LEFT TO BE SPENT AFTER THAT.
EACH PAGE IS A SPECIAL IS AFTER EACH OF THAT, EACH OF THOSE PAGES.
AFTER THAT IS A, A PARTICULAR BOND.
SO LIKE, SAY THE SECOND PAGE IS THE PARKS AND REC BOND THAT YOU PASSED IN MAY FOR THE 3.5.
THE ONE PRIOR TO THAT AFTER THAT PAGE IS THE, UH, 7.6, WHICH WAS PART OF THE 26 MILLION.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TRANCHE THAT WAS APPROVED IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR.
UM, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK WITH EACH ONE, THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE THE, UM, DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PRO, PRO, UH, BONDS THAT YOU APPROVED.
AND LET'S SEE, I THINK WHAT'S LEFT HERE, YOU'VE GOT THE 16, 17 HAS A BIT OF MONEY LEFT, AND, UM, THE LAST OF THE GOVERNMENT BONDS WAS THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAD WITH DOW AND H HEB FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THERE'S JUST A SMALL BIT OF MONEY LEFT WITH THOSE.
UM, I CAN GO THROUGH SPECIFICS.
I CAN WELL, THE THING IS, LET ME JUST GIVE AN OVERVIEW REAL QUICK.
IS WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF WHAT I'VE, WHAT I'VE LEVERAGED WHAT RENEE AND I BOTH SIT ON THE B I S D'S OVERSIGHT BOARD FOR COMMUNITY, UH, OVERSIGHT BOARD FOR THE BONDS.
AND SO THEY'VE CREATED A DOCUMENT THAT KEEPS EVERYBODY UP TO DATE ON THAT BOARD OF WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE, WHERE WE'VE SPENT THEM, WHERE THEY'RE COMMITTED.
AND ON IT GETS DOWN TO NUTS AND BOLTS.
ALMOST DIDN'T NEED TO GET TO THAT LEVEL, BUT WHAT I WANT TO HEAR WAS A TOOL THAT WOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE TO YOU, TO US ON COUNCIL AND ALSO FOR STAFF.
BECAUSE I SAID, I TOLD JAMES I DON'T WANNA DO THIS JUST FOR COUNCIL.
I WANTED TO BE A TOOL THAT STAFF CAN USE ALSO, BUT IT ALSO IS AVAILABLE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT WILL MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO CITIZENS TO WHERE AT ANY TIME WITH THIS DOCUMENT YOU CAN GO SEE BECAUSE HE'LL GIVE US INFORMATION TO US ON A QUARTERLY BASIS.
ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHERE BOND DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT, HOW THEY'RE BEING SPENT, AT WHAT RATE THEY'RE BEING SPENT.
AND EVEN ON THE CONTINGENCY PLAN CONTINGENCY DOLLARS, THAT'S CRITICAL FOR ME.
I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN PROJECT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE, THAT WE ARE WATCHING.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S A TOOL THAT YOU CAN, AT ANY TIME YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PULL UP, GET THAT INFORMATION.
IF A CITIZEN ASK YOU, YOU CAN PULL IT UP AND, AND TALK TO 'EM ABOUT IT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I SUGGESTED THIS TO HIM.
IT, IT KIND OF QUANTIFIES THE NUMBERS.
YOU COME UP, WE COME UP TO YOU EACH WEEK AND SAY THIS IS THE PERCENTAGE, BUT NOW YOU HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TIED TO IT, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED ADDED TO THE REPORT, SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME RIGHT? I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW YEAH, YEAH.
TAKE A LOOK AT DO DO I DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND I HOPEFULLY FIND VALUE IN IT.
UH, I THINK STAFF HAS FOUND VALUE IN IT SO FAR, SO, AND JAMES, WE'RE GONNA MARRY THIS WITH THE FINANCIAL, WE'LL DO OUR FINANCIAL REPORT.
IT WAS JUST TOO MUCH TO DO IT AT THE TIME.
JUST, IT WAS THE END OF THE YEAR, THE INVESTMENT REPORT AND THIS AS WELL.
SO I JUST, I WANTED TO BREAK IT OUT AGAIN.
I JUST, I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT, I KNOW THAT I, A LOT OF TIMES I, I CAN'T, I CAN'T KEEP HIM UP WITH EVERYTHING.
SO, UH, I JUST, AND I, AND I HATE CALLING STAFF TO ASK QUESTIONS.
SO JUST IF AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A TOOL THAT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S GONNA BE PUBLISHED QUARTERLY AND I'LL BE, WE CAN, IT'S BEEN BENEFICIAL.
I'VE HAD SEVERAL DIRECTORS COME UP TO ME AND ASK ME AND WE'VE GONE THROUGH THEIR BOND MONEY.
SO IT'S BEEN APPRECIATE, IT'S BEEN A GOOD TOOL.
UH, BUT CAN YOU MAKE THE FONT A LITTLE? OH, YES SIR.
IT'S HARD TO SQUEEZE ALL THAT INTO ONE PAGE.
GIVES YOU MORE OPTIONS OF REALLOCATE SOMEBODY THAN ONE TO THE OTHER AND GIVES YOU A BIGGER PICTURE OF, WELL, OTHER THING IS IT ALSO HELPS TRACK REALLOCATION.
THAT WAS A BIG THING WE SAW WITH B I S D.
WE SIT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU COME AT THE END OF A BOND OR YOU FINISH A PART OF A BOND AND YOU HAVE FUNDS LEFT OVER AND WE ALL AGREE THAT WE'RE GONNA REALLOCATE IT TO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND WE DO IT WHERE YOU CAN TRACK IT ON THAT SPREADSHEET AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN DO HERE.
YOU CAN TRACK WHERE THAT REALLOCATION HAPPENED, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO IT'S BASICALLY ALL IN ONE PLACE.
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YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT OUR BONDS AND ALL OH, EVERYTHING AND MORE.ANYBODY, ANY QUESTIONS ON JAMES ON THIS? NO.
[9. Update on new business - David Walton]
HE HERE.DAVID HAD AN ISSUE TONIGHT AND HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.
SO, UM, YOU HAVE YOUR PERMITTING THAT HE HAS IN HERE.
UH, THE ONLY THING THAT HAS CHANGED FROM THE TIME WHEN WE PUT THIS INTO THE COUNCIL PACKET IS THAT, UM, GALA'S, ITALIAN KITCHEN HAS ACTUALLY BEEN FINALED.
I DON'T HAVE A SOFT OPENING OR ANY KIND OF DATES LIKE THAT, BUT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN FINALED.
UH, SO THAT IS A STEP UP FROM THEM.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE THAT MAYBE DON'T UNDERSTAND OR YOU JUST NEED A LITTLE MORE, BE NICE TO ME CUZ I'M NOT DAVID.
I'M SORRY, IS THE STARBUCKS REMODEL THAT MEANS IT'S GETTING BIGGER.
IT'S JUST DOING THE REMODELING.
THAT'S ALL THAT THEY'VE, UH, THAT I KNOW AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY INSPECTIONS, SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE WELL, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO CHANGE THEIR GARBAGE LOCATION.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THAT DOESN'T FIGURE IN NO, UM, YOU TALK ABOUT GALAS AND STUFF IS, UH, I WAS ASKING MODESTO IS, UH, ABOUT SOME OF THE, THEY WERE STRUGGLING ON THEIR SOFT OPENING AND STUFF.
AND THIS MAY BE A DAVID QUESTION IS, BUT OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY HAD, NONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED WERE THINGS THAT WE WERE AT.
NO, I JUST WANT TO SNUB SOME RUMORS BEFORE THEY GET STARTED.
AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT WE, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IS, IS THAT WHEN I'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED THAT PROJECT IS IS THAT WE'VE BEEN HELPFUL.
ONLY QUESTION HAS, WHAT IS THE NEW NEURO GENETICS QUESTION? THE SAME, WHAT IS THAT NEUROGENICS? IT'S A CLINIC, BUT I DON'T KNOW OF WHAT KIND OF CLINIC IT IS.
UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO COME PICK THAT UP AND THEN THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND, AND BEGIN CONSTRUCTION.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF CLINIC THAT IS.
I GOT A CALL LATE IN, IN THE AFTERNOON SAYING THAT.
I MEAN, LOOK AT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING.
ANYWAY, THAT'S UH, CHRONIC PAIN.
IT'S A PAIN MANAGEMENT CLINIC.
THAT'S WHAT THE NEW, THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S WHAT THE OLD NEIGHBORS WAS.
AND THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE, NEURONIC.
ANYTHING ELSE? UH, THAT'S IT I THINK.
[10. City Manager updates]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO MODESTO.YOU'RE GOING TO SPREAD THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT.
I WON'T, WE SAID HOLIDAY EVENTS.
SO IN FRONT OF YOU YOU'LL SEE A POSTCARD THAT THE LOVELY LAURA MARIE PUT OUT.
UH, YOU SHOULD BE GETTING IT IN THE MAIL THIS WEEK.
UH, HOPEFULLY TODAY OR TOMORROW.
IT WASN'T IN MY MAIL YESTERDAY, BUT WE GOT THEM.
SO WITHIN THE NEXT DAY OR TWO, UM, THESE WENT OUT TO ALL RESIDENTS.
THIS YEAR WHAT WE DID IS WE COMPILED ALL CITY HOLIDAY EVENTS INTO ONE POSTCARD.
SO, UH, THE PAST TWO YEARS WITH LIGHT UP LAKE JACKSON'S CREATION DURING COVID, THIS POSTCARD ORIGINALLY WAS JUST LIGHT UP LAKE JACKSON EVENTS, BUT NOW YOU'LL SEE THAT WE HAVE BLUE SANTA ON THERE.
WE HAVE ANY REC CENTER, WE HAVE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS.
EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COMPILED INTO ONE.
UM, SO THE QR CODES DO TAKE YOU TO OUR WEBSITE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION.
YOU'LL PROBABLY GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT EVENTS.
UM, EVERYTHING WILL BE POSTED ON THE WEBSITE.
LAUREN MARIE HAS DONE AMAZING WITH FACEBOOK AND ALL THE SOCIAL MEDIAS.
UM, SO THAT IS ALREADY, THE BIG PUSH IS ALREADY STARTED.
I KNOW MODESTO WILL TALK ABOUT IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S NOT ON HERE, WE DO HAVE OUR CITY HALL THANKSGIVING FESTIVAL ON WEDNESDAY.
UM, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT COUNCIL IS INVITED TO COME JOIN US.
UM, SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BRING ASIDE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST COME MEET SOME GOOD FOOD.
WELL, MY WIFE'S GONNA MAKE ME BRING SOMETHING
SHE SAYS WE CAN'T GO TO THIS WITHOUT BRINGING SOME, I SAID, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT HOLIDAYS OR SOMETHING THAT'S ON HERE, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
WE WILL HAVE AN ATM AT THE CARNIVAL THIS YEAR.
WE LISTENED TO ALL THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT LAST YEAR ABOUT EVERY HOLIDAY EVENT.
ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WAS, IT IS STILL CASH ONLY, BUT THERE WAS NO WAY TO GET CASH LAST YEAR.
SO, UM, WE PARTNERED WITH A BANK, A LOCAL BANK, AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ONE OR TWO ATMS THIS YEAR.
IS THERE STILL GONNA BE THE SHUTTLE SYSTEM FROM THE REC CENTER? YES MA'AM.
SO LAURA MARIE, UM, AS WELL AS MALLORY, THEY'VE AND BRIAN, THEY'VE WORKED ON THAT.
SO IT'LL BE THE SAME SHUTTLE SYSTEM.
WE ARE GONNA HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS SINCE THOSE ARE LADEN CITY LIMITS.
UM, SO WE WILL HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS TELLING PEOPLE
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HOW TO GET THERE AND WE WILL ADVERTISE IT PRETTY HEAVILY AGAIN.SO IT'LL BE AT THE REC CENTER AGAIN FOR ANYONE LISTENING.
AND TODAY WE LEARNED THAT WE WILL HAVE A NEW FEATURE AT THE PARADE.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO TEXT TO VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE CLUB.
THAT WAS MODEST MODESTO'S CONTRIBUTION THIS YEAR IS HIS IDEA.
SO CITIZENS WILL BE ABLE TO TEXT IN WHICHEVER FLOAT THEY THINK SHOULD WIN.
HOW DO WE RING IT? SO MODESTO GOT CREDIT FOR THAT.
I WAS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP IN HIS OFFICE.
AND YOU WERE STANDING THERE? NO.
YEAH, YOU'RE GIVING HIM CREDIT, MAN.
WE SAID HIS SIDE, BUT SHE, WELL, MATT AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
WE KNOW HOW THIS WORKS ON, ON THE CITY MANAGER UPDATE.
I SAW IN OUR NOTES THAT WE WERE BRINGING A, FOR THE COURT SYSTEM WHAT
I GUESS THAT'S UNDER COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
WE CAN DO THAT UNDER COMMUNITY.
WELL, UH, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A SECOND.
[11. Construction Updates]
UPDATES, UH, YOU'VE GOT ALL YOUR UPDATES IN THE PACKET.DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IF YOU DO, SAL'S HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE UPDATE.
I GUESS TONIGHT WE'LL FIND OUT IF THE WOMEN WERE HAPPY WITH US MEETING THE TIMELINE OF, UH, DIVAS.
I TRIED TO NOT DRIVE DOWNTOWN, SO I DIDN'T WANNA GET HIT.
I THINK IT WAS WELL PARTICIPATED THEN, WHICH THEY SHOULD.
TALKING ABOUT OUR TWO HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED TOO.
SO I SAW THAT YOU VISIT DUSK, THE DOWNTOWN THING BY TAMMY'S TOUCH.
THEY WERE SITTING ON THE PARK BENCH ENJOYING WATCHING THE WOMEN WALK BY.
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE GOING CRAZY.
YEAH, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE'S QUITE A FEW WOMEN INVOLVED, SO IT WASN'T EVEN DARK YET.
YEAH, IT WASN'T EVEN DARK YET.
UM, SO NO QUESTIONS TO, UH, ON PROJECTS.
UH, SO THEN WE HAVE, UM, ITEMS
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.YOU HAD YOUR THAT JUST ASKED, I THOUGHT WE WAS MO SO ABOUT BAILIFF YES.
I THOUGHT THE CITY MANAGER COMMUNITY WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT US.
UH, I THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS, UH, IN COURT RECENTLY.
SO THE REQUEST, AND IT'S BEEN A LONG STANDING REQUEST TO HAVE A BAILIFF.
BAILIFF IS KIND OF A LOOSE TERM HERE.
I WOULD SAY IT'S SECURITY COURT, THAT COURT SECURITY FOR THREE HOURS.
WE'RE NOT ASKING THEM TO SERVE WARRANTS OR ANYTHING.
WE, WE'VE JUST TEMPORARILY HIRED SOME, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK WE HAVE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE, UH, TEMPORARILY, UH, JUST TO PROVIDE SECURITY, YOU KNOW, DURING THE COURT, DURING THE COURT HOURS.
JB YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO.
ANY INTEREST? GO AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT VETERANS DAY.
WHAT LITTLE DID YOU KNOW ABOUT IT? PARADE? UH, YES.
UH, NOVEMBER THE 12TH VETERANS DAY.
UH, THEY WERE YOU HAVING THE VETERAN'S DAY PARADE AND SWEENEY TEXAS THIS YEAR? I'M NOT FOR SURE ON THE TIME, BUT I CAN GET THAT AND PASS IT ON.
WE'LL GET THE INFORMATION AND WE'LL PASS IT ON TO COUNCIL SO Y'ALL KNOW ABOUT IT.
UH, THAT THE VETERANS DAY PARADES ROTATES THROUGH THE CITIES, DIFFERENT CITIES AND STUFF.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE DUE FOR FORT, UH, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW TOO, UH, DOWN THE ROSE WHEN WE START PLAYING FOR IT.
OH, AND ALSO, UH, NEXT MEETING, UH, MY MOM IS REQUESTING THAT SHE WOULD NOT COOK AFTER 50 YEARS.
SHE WANT US TO TAKE ON A CRUISE AND LET SOMEONE ELSE COOK.
SO I WOULD NOT BE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE DOING, YOU'RE BEING A GOOD, YOU'RE BEING A GOOD SON.
WELL, SHE'S NOT COOKING, SO I, I I LOVE TURKEY.
SO TO FOLLOW UP, NOT COOKING ON THAT DAY OR NOT COOKING EVER AGAIN.
REMEMBER, YOU CAN ORDER AS MANY ENTREES IF YOU THAT YOU WANT ON THE SHIPS, MAN.
I'M GONNA TRY MY BEST TO THAT'S RIGHT.
NO, NO NOTHING EXCEPT MY KIDS WERE ASKING ME ABOUT WHEN DO I GET TO DRIVE AROUND AND RANK ALL THE LIGHTS AGAIN.
THE DRIVABLE MAP AND ALL THIS.
NUMBER ONE, LADIES, THIS THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, THE IMPROVEMENTS ON THIS HAVE BEEN PHENOMENAL.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THE KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN CLEANUP WILL BE SATURDAY, UH, NOVEMBER 12TH.
IT'LL START AT 8:00 AM UH, MEETING HERE AT CITY HALL.
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THAT'S SO COME GET OUR, COME GET OUR CITY CLEANUP.IF YOU FINISHED THAT, THEN GO OVER TO THE, UH, FARMER'S MARKET.
FARMER'S MARKET AND HAVE SOME FUN THERE TOO.
THEY GOT, UH, THE, UH, WHAT'S IT, UH, THE TOY FOR? UH, WHAT IS IT? HUH? THE WOOLSEY? WOOSIE, YES.
I COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET IT OUT THERE.
CHASE, UH, JUST AN ATTABOY FOR PARKS AND REC.
THE BOO BASH EVENT WAS UNBELIEVABLE.
I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE.
WE WERE SCARED WHEN WE MOVED IT INSIDE FOR RAIN.
SO, BUT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, I FINALLY, IT WAS SIX 20.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GETTING, IT WAS, IT WAS NUTS.
BUT IT WAS REALLY, REALLY COOL AND A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM IT.
THANK YOU TO ALL THE BUSINESSES AROUND LIKE JACKSON TOO.
UH, AND THEN FOR ME, THE LAST THING TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND STUFF IS THAT, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR PACKET THAT, UH, TOWARD THE BACK OF, TOWARD THE END OF THE, THE MATERIAL THAT, UH, ROBIN PROVIDES TO US, SHE GAVE AN UPDATE OR SOME INFORMATION FROM, UH, THE, UH, UH, GOLF COURSE.
AND THEIR, IT'S, IT'S NOT THEIR, UH, AUDITED NUMBERS, BUT THEIR AUDIT NUMBERS IN THE PAST HAVE ALWAYS COME CLOSE TO WHAT? THE AUDITED NUMBERS.
WERE VERY CLOSE TO THE AUDITED NUMBERS.
AND THEY'VE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB THIS YEAR.
I THINK THEY'VE SET PRETTY MUCH THE PARAMETER OF WHAT THIS, THIS IS THE BEST THAT THE GOLF COURSE WILL EVER DO, IS WHAT WE JUST DID THIS LAST YEAR.
AND SO THAT SHOULD, THAT VALIDATED, UH, THE WHAT THAT GOLF COURSE CAN DO AND WHAT IT CAN, CAN, CAN DELIVER BACK TO THE COMMUNITY FOR ITS CAUSE.
AND WHENEVER IT'S, WHENEVER THAT'S VALID.
WHENEVER THE AUDITING IS DONE, WELL THEN, WE'LL, I TOLD MODESTO, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING, ANYTIME WE DO GOOD STUFF, BE IT ANY, ANY PROGRAMS, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK AND, AND SAY, SAY GOOD STUFF.
CUZ WE GET, WE GET BEAT UP ABOUT THE BAD STUFF WHEN, WHEN WE DO GOOD, WE NEED TO PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACK AND, AND STUFF.
AND I KEEP ON GETTING ASKED ABOUT, UH, WHEN, WHEN WE'RE GONNA START TURNING DIRT AT, UH, TIMBER CREEK.
WHERE OUR GLOW ROCKS AT MARCH.
UM, I'M LOOKING AT, THEY SAID MARCH OR APRIL FOR THE NEW EQUIPMENT.
UM, I'VE ALREADY CONTACTED SOMEBODY.
I GOTTA CUT A DEAD TREE DOWN SIGN PUT UP.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA, THAT'D BE GOOD.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARK STARS, TIMBER CREEK.
SHE IS WHAT ABOUT THE GLOW ROCK? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.
WELL, THERE IS A DEAD TREE WHERE THE NEW POINT GROUND'S GOING.
UM, SO I HAVE A CONTRACTOR, WE HAVE TO, WE DO HAVE TO REMOVE UP AON TREE WHERE THE PLA PATH IS COMING.
I'M TALKING TO A CONCRETE GUY THIS WEEK AND I'M WAITING FOR THE TREE GUIDE TO CALL ME BACK.
SO AS SOON AS WE GET THAT DONE, THEN WE CAN START, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE GO, WE GOT THE GLOW ROCKS, THEY'RE SITTING IN MY OFFICE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALL READY TOO, GOING AWAY.
THIS IS, THIS IS ALSO COMMUNITY INTEREST BECAUSE I KEEP GETTING ASKED IS WHEN IS THE PARKING THE TWO LOTS GOING UP FOR, UH, SO WE, WE ARE BRINGING IT TO THE NEXT AGENDA FOR YOU.
SAL HAS GOTTEN INFORMATION FROM THE APPRAISER ALSO.
WE DOUBLE CHECKED WITH THE, A REAL ESTATE AGENT.
SO WE'LL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE'VE JUST BEEN KIND OF, WE DIDN'T PUT IT ON THIS AGENDA.
AND THERE'S NOT BEEN A REALLY A RUSH UNTIL WE GET THIS PROJECT.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THOSE TWO PIECES.
THAT'LL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
SO ALSO MARK YOUR CALENDARS, YOU'LL BE GETTING AN INVITE TO FOR, UM, IT IS DURING THE DAY.
WE'LL DO THE RIBBON CUTTING LITTLE CEREMONY FOR PECAN PARK.
BUT THERE'S NO SCHOOL THEN, SO WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO IT THEN.