* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [Call to order] [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] [00:00:12] GOD INVISIBLE WITH THE LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR STRAW. THANK YOU SIR. [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] DOES EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY ISSUES? NOPE. MINUTES ARE APPROVED. VISITOR'S COMMENTS, IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SAY THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW WILL BE THE TIME. UH, ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO SAY, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. [4. PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION AT 480 THIS WAY IN LOT 2B, BLOCK 2, PLANTATION VILLAGE SUBDIVISION, SECTION 4] ITEM FOUR. PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A CONVENIENCE STORE AND GAS STATION AT FOUR 80 THIS WAY. AND LOT 28 BLOCK TWO. PLANTATION VILLAGE SUBDIVISION, SECTION FOUR. HI GUYS. DOUG RICHLER WITH BAKER AND LAWSON. Y'ALL MIGHT KNOW ME. UH, UH, NELSON, CAN YOU BRING UP THE PLAN LAB? THIS IS BEHIND RICOCHETS, UM, THIS WAY BY, UH, WHAT'S THE NAME OF IT? THE BANK OVER THERE. FIRST AID BANK IN RICOCHET CASE. THANK VERY MUCH. I DON'T BANK THERE, SO I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME. . OKAY. IT'S THIS TRACK RIGHT HERE AND UH, I HAVE A CLIENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO, UH, BUILD A, I'M SORRY. THAT'S ALRIGHT. YOU WANT YOUR MATERIAL? WELL, NO, NO. LET'S GO, LET'S GO TO THE PLAN LAYOUT. SO THESE GUYS, CAUSE WE'RE REALLY JUST DISCUSSING IF, IF THIS IS ACCEPTABLE, WE HAVE, RIGHT, THIS IS RICK OR SHADES RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS FIRST STATE BANK DOWN HERE. AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME IN HERE AND THESE ARE FUEL PUMPING STATIONS. TWO OF THEM, OR SIX OF THEM ACTUALLY SIX PUMP AND THEN HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE HERE. UH, I THINK IT FITS IN THE ZONING. I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE. UM, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE FUEL, UH, TRUCK GETTING AROUND, BUT IT CAN MAKE THIS LOOP AND GET OUT AND EITHER GO ACROSS RIGHT HERE. UM, WE HAVE, THERE'S A GAP RIGHT HERE IN THIS WAY. IT'S A IMMEDIATE OPENING. SO WE HAVE A, A LANE COMING IN AND A LANE GOING OUT THAT THEY CAN TURN THIS WAY AND A LANE GOING OUT THIS WAY, WHICH IS A PRELIMINARY LAYOUT FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE. WE HAVE, I THINK THERE'S 10 SPACES HERE, PARKING SPACES, ONE HANDICAP, AND THEN THIS IS A DETENTION POND IN THE BACK. WHAT'D YOU SAY IS IN THE BACK? THIS IS A DETENTION POND. OKAY, I'M SORRY. I GET THAT UP BIT CLOSER. SO IT'S, IT'LL BE A, A VERTICAL WALL BECAUSE WE ARE KIND OF RESTRICTED ON SPACE, MAYBE FOUR FOOT DEEP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE HAVE, UH, INTERCONNECTION WITH THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. UH, THAT IS NOT PART OF THE, THE PLAT FOR THIS WHOLE AREA. THIS IS A DIFFERENT OWNER. RICK CLARK OWNS THIS AREA HERE AND THIS AREA OVER HERE. MAYBE THESE BUILDINGS, I'M NOT SURE, BUT HE DOESN'T OWN THIS DOWN HERE. SAL. YOU MIGHT CAN CORRECT ME ON THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH THESE, WITH THIS OWNER HERE. WE'D HAVE TO WORK ON THAT, UH, TO COME IN AND OUT. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT IS KIND OF THE PLAN, UH, TO, TO HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH A GAS STATION HERE. AND SO I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA LET SAL TELL YOU EVERYTHING THAT'S GOOD OR NOT GOOD ABOUT THIS. AND HE'S GOOD AT THAT. , HE'S BEEN HERE A WHILE LIKE I HAVE. OKAY. LIKE, UH, LIKE DOUG, DOUG SAID, THE ACTUAL, UH, THE ACTUAL ZONE ALLOWS FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS TO, TO EXIST. AND, UH, IS THIS THING WORKING? YEAH, I GUESS SO. IT IS NOW. UH, SO IT'S, IT'S AN ALLOWABLE USE, UH, TYPE OF FACILITY HERE. [00:05:01] WHAT BROUGHT UP OUR CONCERNS, AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS FOR US TO BRING THIS OVER TO YOU IS THE FACT THAT, UH, IT IS SORELY, SORELY MISSING THE PARKING COUNT THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE. UH, THE PARKING ORDINANCE FOR THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS CALLS FOR IT TO BE 10 PER PER PER THOUSAND, THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDING. OH, SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, PLUS, PLUS SPACES PER PUMP, RIGHT? MM-HMM. NOT, NOT PER, NOT PER PUMP. YEAH. IT SAYS PLUS STACKING LANE WITH 1.5 SPACES PER CORRECT. PER PUMP. AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT EVEN A, IS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS PRIMARILY THE MAIN THING IS TEMPORARY FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THAT THIS, THAT THIS, UH, SITE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE 57 PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH WHAT, UH, SHERRY JUST QUOTED THERE. I HADN'T EVEN FIGURED THAT ONE OUT. AS FAR AS, YEAH, SO LET ME INTERRUPT. THE, THE BUILDING IS LIKE 5,800 SQUARE FEET, JUST, I DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT JUST YES, CORRECT. IT'S A 5,800 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING. SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE 58 OF PARKING SPACES AND THEY ARE PROPOSING ONLY TO HAVE 10 THE WAY THEY HAVE IT RIGHT NOW IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT PARTICULAR SITE, THAT'S, UH, ITEM NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO OF CONCERN THAT WE HAD BACK AT WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WAS THE FACT THAT WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE IT WAS, HOW IT'S, HOW WOULD'VE GONNA, HOW IT WAS GONNA TIE IN TO THE ACCESSING FACILITY OF THIS WAY. UH, SO WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT THE FUEL, UH, ACCESS, THE FUEL TRUCK ACCESS AND ALSO THE ACTUAL CUSTOMER ACCESS, UH, TO THAT FACILITY, UH, BECAUSE OF, UH, BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT HAPPENS ALONG THAT ARTERIAL THERE. AND WE JUST WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING SOME U-TURNS ALONG THERE IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT FACILITY. UH, SO, UH, THEY PROVIDED US THIS SIDE PLAN THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, GIVES US A BETTER RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT AND THE OPEN MEDIUM THERE. IT WORKS THERE, BUT IT STILL DOESN'T HAVE WHAT WE WOULD, WHAT YOU HAVE REQUIRED IN THE PAST, WHICH IS A D LANE, UH, OR A STACKING LANE FROM THE, FROM THE HIGHWAY, FROM THE, FROM THE ARTERIAL INTO THE, INTO THE BUSINESS CENTER. UH, SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE BR YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO BRING THIS UP TO, UM, TO YOU TO, TO GET CONSIDERATION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU, YOU FELT THERE WAS A CONCERN ON YOUR PART. UH, SO THOSE WERE THE MAIN, REALLY THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE WANTED YOU TO CONSIDER AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT, THAT'S GONNA CREATE A, A PROBLEM FOR YOU. OKAY. SAL, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A D CELL COMING RIGHT HERE. COMING IN THERE? YES. YEAH, COMING IN RIGHT HERE? CORRECT. OKAY. WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA BE IN YOUR BUILDING? OKAY, SO IT'S A 5,800 SQUARE HOLD, HOLD AND GIVE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND HERE'S THE POINT HERE. GOTCHA. UM, HELLO? UH, MY NAME IS NOMAN ALI. I LIVE IN SUGARY, TEXAS. AND UH, ALRIGHT, LET'S, OKAY, SO, UH, WE WANNA MAKE, UH, GAS STATION HERE. THIS BUILDING IS 5,800 SQUARE FEET. I, UM, IDEALLY WE WANTED TO DO 4,500 SQUARE FEET OF GAS STATION AND A SEPARATE SPACE FOR, UH, WINE AND SPIRIT SHOP. BUT, UM, WHEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY, WE FOUND OUT THAT I THINK IT'S, UH, LIQUOR'S NOT ALLOWED OR DRY. WE'RE DRY. BUT BEER, BEER AND WINE IS FINE, CORRECT? MM-HMM. . OKAY, GOTCHA. SO IT'S GONNA BE JUST A SPACE THAT WE WOULD JUST LEASE OUT IN THE FUTURE TO, UM, WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO COME FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF RETAIL. IDEALLY THIS IS THE, UM, BEST DRIVER SITUATION FOR US. IT MAKES IT EASY FOR TRAFFIC TO COME IN, LEAVE, UM, FROM THE GAS STATION AND OF COURSE, UM, IF Y'ALL WANT ID ACCELERATION LANE. I MEAN, IF IT'S OKAY WITH Y'ALL, WE UM, IF IT'S OKAY WITH Y'ALL, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO PUT IT IN, WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT. IDEALLY THIS, IDEALLY WE THINK THIS IS THE BEST. OF COURSE I'M PROBABLY BIASED CUZ IT WOULD BE THE CHEAPEST ROUTE. UM, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT, JOHN. WELL IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE, UH, YOU'RE TRYING TO PUT TOO MUCH AND TOO, TOO TIGHT A SPACE. UM, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE'RE GOING TO COME CLOSE TO RECTIFYING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, UH, WHICH IS 10, 10 SPACES THERE. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S AWFUL CRAMPED AND [00:10:01] UM, I'D BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT FUEL TRUCK GETTING IN. I MEAN IF THAT FUEL TRUCK'S IN THERE, HOW IS ANYTHING ELSE GONNA MOVE AROUND? I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA TAKE UP A BIG PART OF THAT AND I REALIZE IT'S ONLY THERE FOR A SHORT TIME WHEN IT'S, WHEN IT'S FUELING THE, THE, UH, STORAGE TANKS. BUT STILL, I MEAN, WHERE'S THAT THING IN A PARK AND HOW ARE THE CUSTOMERS GONNA MOVE, MOVE AROUND WHEN THAT FUEL TRUCK'S IN THERE. OKAY, SO WE WERE THINKING, UM, WORSE COMES TO WORST. WE'RE OPEN TO MAKING THE BUILDING 4,500 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF THE 5,800 THAT'S, UM, IN THIS PLAN. AND UM, IDEALLY THE FUEL TRUCK WOULD COME IN AND UM, PARK HERE. THAT'S WHERE THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS WOULD BE, I GUESS. UM, THE, IF THEY SEE A BLOCK THERE, THEY COULD JUST DRIVE THROUGH UNDER THE CANOPY INTO THE PARKING SPACES. AND I'M NOT SURE JACKSON, BUT CITY OF HOUSTON COUNTS PARKING SPACES UNDER THE CANOPY AS PARKING SPACES. WE DON'T. OKAY, GOTCHA. UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. THE TRUCK COULD LINE UP HERE, DUMP ITS FUEL OFF. UM, PEOPLE COMING IN COULD PARK HERE, FUEL THEIR CARS HERE AND SWING BY, SWING AROUND EASILY. THE TRUCK WOULD BE PARKED HERE AND WHEN IT'S, UM, DONE DUMPING THE FUEL SWING BACK AROUND THE CANOPY AND LEAVE. AND IF THE TRUCK TURNS ARE FEES, UH, LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE FEASIBLE. THEY'RE I THINK A LITTLE SMALLER THAN FULL ON SEMI TRUCKS. SO THE YEAH. YEAH. SO WE ARE THINKING THAT AS LONG AS THE TRUCK CAN COME IN AND OUT, IT'S GONNA BE OKAY. OUR CUSTOMERS, THE TRUCK'S GONNA BE PARKED HERE, CUSTOMERS CAN STILL PARK, UH, VISIT THE STORE, LEAVE, LEAVE COMFORTABLY. WELL, THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I, I THINK WE'VE GOT, I THINK WE'VE GOT TOO MUCH GOING ON IN THAT SMALL SPACE. OKAY, JEFF, UM, MS. TRI, THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SPEAK TO US. I TEND TO TRY TO BE THE MOST BUSINESS ORIENTED IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT IT FROM A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER CUZ I AM ONE AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE SOME NOW, ALTHOUGH ONE OF THEM'S, UH, ILL TODAY AND SOME PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THINGS WORK. I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THIS WORK UNDER WHAT OUR EXISTING REQUIREMENTS ARE. OKAY. BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE DO PARKING. NOW THAT MAY BE REQUIRING TO RECONFIGURE HOW WE DO IT FOR A BUSINESS SUCH AS A CONVENIENCE STORE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'VE CHANGED IT. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR BUCKYS, WE'VE MADE THEM COMPLY AND THEY HAVE UH, BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE SPOT BECAUSE OF WHERE IT'S LOCATED. WE ALL KNOW THAT'S RIGHT. ALL THOSE BUSINESSES ARE, BUT TO COME TO THIS DEGREE OF AN EXCEPTION, EVEN IF YOU REDUCE IT KIND OF MAKES IT EVEN FOR ME. I MEAN I'M, AND I APPRECIATE IT MR. RACER'S, ONE OF, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH HIM ALMOST EVERY MONTH, IF NOT EVERY MONTH. HE BRINGS THINGS TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. I'M SURE HE TALKED TO YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK FOR POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNER AND INVESTOR IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M JUST, I'M NOT HERE. IT'S NOT MY JOB TO MAKE IT WORK. IT'S Y'ALLS JOB TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL THAT MAKES IT PALATABLE. AND I DON'T, THE WAY I VIEW THIS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK. AND IT REALLY CONCERNS ME. UH, WELL THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. WHAT, YOU KNOW, JOHN SAID, UH, IT'S A GREAT LOCATION FOR THAT IF, BUT IT'S ALSO GONNA BE A VERY CROWDED LOCATION BECAUSE OF ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE AND IT'S BY THE DIAMOND CENTER. YOU THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MARKET. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THERE ALL THE TIME AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS GOING TO GO. UH, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. THANK ERIC. THE ENTRANCE, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO SIMPLIFY TO JUST ONE, TWO LANE TO COME IN. NOW WHEN YOU DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GONNA PUT ANY KINDA LANDSCAPE. THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER CONCERN THAT WE HAVE. I THINK WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE SO MANY TREES AND, AND, UH, YOU CAN'T, I MEET A THING THAT'S GONNA BLOCK THE VIEW. UH, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER, IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BUT TURN IT 90 DEGREES CUZ YOU DON'T WANT YOUR TRAFFIC COMING IN AND GOING BETWEEN THE PUMPS TO GET TO THE PARKING SPOTS. CUZ THAT'S A CONGESTION TOO. IF YOU'VE GOT CARS FILLING UP WITH GASOLINE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE. UH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRASH IS EITHER. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. UH, AND IT'D REALLY BE A PROBLEM IF THE TRASH TRUCK COMES WHEN THE, UH, GASOLINE TRUCK'S THERE. SO, [00:15:01] UH, THOSE ARE AREAS I WOULD HAVE TO WORK AT. IF, IF YOU, IF YOU COULD COME UP WITH INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS, YOU COULD PUT 'EM AGAINST THE DETENTION POND TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL ONES. BUT I DOUBT YOU CAN GET MORE THAN ANOTHER, UH, 15. BUT, UH, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I'VE GOT A COUPLE. UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE, I'M IN THE CONVENIENCE STORE BUSINESS SO I KNOW THE FUEL TRUCK HOOKUP SPOT FOR YOUR TANK AND I'M NOT IN LAKE JACKSON, SO IT'S NOT A COMPLAIN. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAD THE EXPERIENCE. UH, I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST CAUSE I'M NOT IN LAKE JACKSON WITH ANY OF MY BUSINESSES. UM, YOUR FILL LOCATIONS I KNOW HAVE TO BE SET BACK FROM YOUR PROPERTY LINE IS SET POINT AND FROM THE ROADWAY. SO YOU GUYS ARE CUTTING IT CLOSE RIGHT THERE. UM, AGAIN, WITH THE, THE TRASH, I MEAN I I I KNOW OUR TRASH TRUCKS FOLLOW A HEAVY ROUTINE BUT I KNOW FUEL TRUCKS FILL UP LITERALLY WHENEVER THEY WANT, HOWEVER THEY PE AT WHATEVER TIME THEY WANT. UM, THAT, THAT'S A MILD CONCERN WITH ME. I WOULD BE IMPRESSED IF YOU GUYS END UP GETTING THIS AGREEMENT. PERSONALLY SPEAKING, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WILL, WITH THE CONVENIENCE STORE BEING THERE, THOSE GUYS ARE GONNA TAKE THAT AS A I I I'LL BE SURPRISED IF YOU GUYS GET THAT PASS THROUGH TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UNLESS YOU ALREADY HAVE IT IN PLACE. UM, AND I, I WOULD BE UPFRONT WITH YOU GUYS SAYING THAT YOUR EXTRA, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING YOU COULD CUT IT DOWN TO 4,500 I THINK YOU WERE SAYING. YES. THAT'S BASICALLY TAKING THAT SPARE YES. LEASING SPACE OUT. YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A LOT MORE SUPPORT ON HERE, CUTTING THAT OUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. OKAY. CONSIDER IT GONE GET, GETTING DOWN, GETTING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE DOWN, GETTING THE BUILDER DOWN SO THAT YOU CAN ADD SOME MORE PARKING SPOTS. PARKING. MM-HMM . ESPECIALLY WITH THE IDEA OF LIKE IF IT WAS YOU GUYS RUNNING IT AND IT WAS LIKE THAT'S WHERE YOUR DELI WAS AND IT WAS TECHNICALLY SEPARATE BUT STILL RAN THE SAME, IT'D BE PULLING IT OFF. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, YOU'D LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY DOWN THE ROAD, A VAPE SHOP, UH, UH, MAKEUP SHOP, A HAIR SALON, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT BUSINESS WOULD BE GOING IN THERE, YOU'D EITHER HAVE THREE MINUTE CUSTOMERS OR YOU'D HAVE HOUR LONG CUSTOMERS. AND BEING THAT LIMITED IN THE PARKING SPOTS WILL, THE WONDERFUL ATTITUDE OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING IS A JOLLY OLLIE SPORT. SO I WOULD THINK YOU GUYS WOULD BE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR A LOT MORE INCONVENIENCED CUSTOMERS WHO ARE GONNA EXPRESS IT TO YOU IN NOT THE MOST PARTICULAR WAY MUCH DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE HOUSTON BOYS DO IT AS. OKAY. UM, AND I, I DO AGREE WITH TERRY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE THE 90 DEGREE TURN WORKS FOR US REALLY WELL AND OUR, OUR LOCAL ONE DOWN HERE. UM, BUT WE ALSO ONLY HAD A FOUR A FOUR STATION WITH EIGHT PUMPS, NOT A SIX STATION WITH 12 PUMPS. SO I, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR US TO GET TO HAPPEN BROTHER AS IT SITS. JUST, JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU AND THAT, THAT PASS THROUGH IS GONNA BE, I REALLY WOULD THINK THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME PEOPLE ON THIS COMMISSION AND SOME, SOME PEOPLE WITH CITY COUNCIL IF YOU CAME WITH THAT PASS THROUGH AGREEMENT. CUZ I REALLY DOUBT THOSE GUYS ARE GONNA GIVE IT TO YOU. LIKE I'M 99.8% SURE THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO IF, IS THERE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT? YOU GUYS HAVE, IF WE DON'T GET THAT, IS IT TO HAVE TO HAVE TRAFFIC FLOW IN AND OUT OR TRAFFIC FLOW, FIRE LANE, GARBAGE TRUCK. A MULTITUDE OF MULTITUDE OF ITEMS. YOU STILL GOT PARKING SPACE PROBLEMS. YEAH. AND OKAY, SO, AND YOU KNOW TO SAY YOU TOOK IT DOWN TO 45 AND YOU DIDN'T GET THE PASS THROUGH SO YOU CAN END UP PUTTING PARKING OVER HERE AND GETTING IT UP TO 20, 24 SPOTS AND HAVING SPOTS. YOU'D PROBABLY NEVER HAVE A CAR. AND I KNOW YOU'D LOOK AT AS WASTE MONEY. TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. BEEN THERE, HAVE IT MYSELF. IT SUCKS. BUT WHEN DO PEOPLE SHOW UP FOR THE 4TH OF JULY FIREWORK SHOW THAT YOUR REGULAR CUSTOMERS, THEY ALL WANNA PARK IN YOUR SPOT AND THEY TALK YOU ABOUT IT THAT MORNING. THAT'S WHEN THEY'RE GONNA GET USED. AND THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MANY REASONS WE REQUIRE SO MANY. UM, BUT I, I COULD TELL YOU NOT GETTING THE PASS THROUGH IT WOULD PROBABLY END UP BENEFITING YOU WHILE I'M SHRINKING THE STORE TO GET THOSE EXTRA SPOTS. CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT'S GONNA DERAIL THE PROJECT MOST LIKELY. OKAY. SO, UM, A FEW SOLUTIONS HERE. OKAY. I THINK THE BIGGEST ONE IS IF WE MOVE THAT DETENTION UNDERGROUND, REDUCE THE SIZE OF THIS BUILDING, UM, I THINK WE CAN MAYBE FIND SOME PARKING BEHIND THIS BUILDING, UH, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT. AND, UM, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THIS OFF AND JUST MAYBE, UH, WIDEN THIS. IF YOU GUYS PREFER THIS. I KNOW EXXON MOBIL REQUIRES A 36 FOOT ENTRY IF, IF IF EXXON MOBIL'S YOUR TAGLINE, THEY REQUIRE A 36 FOOT ENTRY. I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT. AND THAT THAT HAS NEVER BEEN BARKED ON BEFORE. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE OTHER PEOPLE PICKING UP PHILLIPS AND YOU SEE OTHER PEOPLE PICKING UP VALERO CAUSE THEY REQUIRE 24 FOOT INJURIES. GOTCHA. AND WE SO IT, IT, I I DON'T KNOW. I I THINK IT WOULD WORK, DON'T GET ME WRONG. AND I KNOW THAT I CAN SEE THOSE BOYS, THEY WHIP 'EM TIGHT AND FAST ALL THE TIME. BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT EXXON AND MOBILE AND EXXON MOBIL REQUIRE, WHICH IS MIND BOGGLING, BUT THEY REQUIRE 36 FOOT OPENING FOR YEAH. WE WOULD JUST FIND A SUPPLIER WHO IS OKAY WITH A SMALLER ONE OR IF YOU, I MEAN IF YOU GIVE US A BIGGER ONE, AWESOME. NO, I JUST, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE RAN INTO IN OUR HUMBLE STORES. WE HAD NO CLUE WHEN WE, WE WERE, WE WERE POURING CONCRETE AND EXXON MOBIL SENT AN INSPECTOR OVER AND SAID, NO MAN, THAT'S 24 FOOT. WE WON'T ALLOW OUR TRUCKS TO [00:20:01] PULL IN HERE UNLESS IT'S 36 FOOT. I SEE SOME TRUCK RAN OVER SOMEBODY AT SOME POINT, MOST LIKELY. BUT YEAH, WE WE'RE OKAY WITH, UM, JUST GOING WITH ANOTHER SUPPLIER IN THAT ROUTE. SO, UM, IF WE MOVE THE DETENTION, WE GET, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL PARKING. UM, CLOSE THIS UP, FIND SOME PARKING HERE, UM, CLOSE THIS OFF AND JUST HAVE THAT ONE DRIVEWAY. IS THAT, DOES THAT LOOK BETTER TO YOU GUYS? WHY NOT THE 90 DEGREE FOR THE PUMPS? THE, UH, WE, CAUSE THAT EASES THE ENTRY FOR EVERYBODY THAT, THAT THAT DOES TURN OFF THE LARGER VEHICLES AND THE TRAILERS, THE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE HOME, THE HOMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THAT WESTWARD OF THERE WEST THAT, SO I DO, I DO SEE WHY THEY HAVE IT LIKE THAT FOR EASIER ACCESS FOR THE PEOPLE LOOKING INTO THE PUMPS. AND I DO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN HARRY, ABOUT HOW PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THERE AND THAT'S WHERE ACTIONS HAPPEN AND PEOPLE GET CLS GETTING ACCESS TO THIS STORE. YEAH. YEAH. TWO, BUT IT'S A TWO-WAY TRAFFIC WOULD BE HARD IF IT WAS A KIND OF A, I DON'T MEAN COMING OFF THE ROAD, I MEAN GETTING PAST YOUR PUMPS MM-HMM. CURRENTLY HOW IT SITS. HUH? YOU MEAN AT, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH CURRENTLY HOW IT SITS? I FEEL LIKE CUSTOMERS COULD, I THINK THEY'LL TRY TO GO BETWEEN YOUR PUMPS WITH YOUR CARS THERE AND THEY DO IT AT BUCKY'S ALREADY. I THINK, UM, JUST BEING A GAS STATION, I THINK I PULLED INTO SOME STORIES. MORE PEOPLE ARE GONNA PARK, PUT THE PUMP, YOU KNOW, PUMP UP THEIR GAS AND GO IN. THAT'S WHERE YOUR CUSTOMERS ARE. JUST DRIVE BY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A GREAT SANDWICH. THE PROBLEM WITH TURNING THE PUMPS 90 DEGREES, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH WIDTH THERE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE STORE AND BACK OUT. AND THE, THE PUMPS, I THINK HIS COMMENT WAS TURNING THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. I THINK HIS COMMENT WAS ROTATING THE ENTIRE CAMPUS, NOT JUST THE PUMPS PUTTING THE RICOCHETS BUILDING BACKED UP TO YEAH. YEAH. I, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY THINK IT WAS THE PUMPS WHEN THEY PARK INTO THE STORE. NO, I, NO, I AGREE. IF YOU, YOU CAN'T, IT WON'T WORK. YEAH, I AGREE. IF YOU TURN AT 90 DEGREES, YOU MEAN TURNING THE BUILDING 90 DEGREES ALSO EVERYTHING 90. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUMPS 90 DEGREES PUMP AND THE BUILDING. YEAH. THAT WON'T WORK. IT WON'T FIT. OKAY. IT'S YOUR LOOK SQUARE. BUT I'M MY EYES OR SOMETHING. NO, IT'S JUST, OKAY. I MEAN, IT, IT JUST WON'T WORK. I, I TRIED IT. I FEEL YOU. OKAY. I PLAYED WITH IT FOR A WHILE. IS THERE SOME TYPE OF VARIANCE WE COULD PROBABLY HAVE THAT Y'ALL ARE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH REGARDING PARKING? WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT DETENTION ON THE GROUND FOOT, UH, QUITE A, A BIT MORE PARKING, BUT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL NEED 45 PARKING SPACES. WE STILL WON'T GET CLOSE TO THE 45. MAYBE 25. HOW MANY OF THESE FACILITIES DO YOU OWN? FOUR. HOW MANY OF THESE ARE IN SIMILARLY LANDLOCKED BUSINESS? LOCKED LOCATIONS? WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO GET HIM ON A INTERSECTION. UNFORTUNATELY THE BANK SITS THERE. SO THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS CAN YOU GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT ONE LOOKS LIKE? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A PLAT HELPS FOR HARRY WHO'S VISUAL, I MEAN FOR AN ENGINEER, BUT FOR ME I'M VISUAL AND BECAUSE TO TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE OF THAT DEGREE, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU WE GET BLOW BACK WHEN WE GIVE, YOU KNOW, FIVE SPOTS OFF, YOU KNOW, A 10% VARIANCE. YOU'RE ASKING US TO GIVE A 50% VARIANCE. YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. UM, HERE'S, AND I'VE BEEN, I CAN OF EMPTY SPOTS SINCE WE'VE HAD ANOTHER THING IS THE PEOPLE DO IS THEY PUT THE PARALLEL SPOTS IN ALONG THE EDGES. YEAH. THAT WOULD UM, THAT WOULD MAYBE GET US A FEW MORE. YOU COULD GANG SIX TO EIGHT SPOTS JUST OFF THE PARALLEL PARKING. I I BUT I'M TELLING YOU MAN, THAT PASS THROUGH, I I DON'T, I HONESTLY DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GONNA GET THAT THIS ONE. RIGHT. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE EVEN NEED IT. IT, NO. SO I, SO IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT REQUIRED FOR FIRE LANE OR ANYTHING, IS IT? EXCUSE ME. WHAT IS IT? THE, THE PASS WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED FOR A FIRE LANE OR ANYTHING, CORRECT? NO, NO, NO. THAT WOULD, FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, UH, THE FIRE LANE WIDTH WOULD BE UH, WOULD YEAH. WOULD EVEN BE WIDE ENOUGH. YEAH. IT'D BE WIDE ENOUGH. YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO, UH, AND ALSO, UH, ONE OF THE THINK OF THAT I WAS, THAT I HEARD, UH, THE BILLING OFFICIAL COME UP WITH WAS THE, THE PICKUP LOCATION OF THAT, UH, OF THAT UH, TRASH TRASHES. YEAH. IT'S NOT TRASH DEAL. YEAH. AND THE, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY FOR A TRASH TRUCK TO GO THROUGH. UH, AND UH, LIKE YOU SAID, I DON'T THINK THAT THE RESTAURANT ON THE OTHER SIDE IS GONNA BE, IS GONNA LOOK VERY KINDLY AT THAT. YEAH. TRASH. YEAH. WHAT'S THEIR MOTIVATION? . THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. RIGHT. SO IF WE, I, I DON'T HONESTLY DON'T THINK WE BENEFIT FROM THIS CUT RIGHT HERE. WE'LL MAKE, I THINK, UH, IN THE NEXT DRAWINGS, RENDERINGS, WE'LL HAVE THIS CLOSED OFF. UM, SUPPOSE OR BESIDES PARKING, IS THERE ANY OTHER PROBLEMS WITH, UH, DR. UH, SUPPOSE THE DRIVEWAY MAYBE, I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN, MAKE THIS LITTLE WAY [00:25:01] SMALLER. UM, MAYBE WE CAN GET ENOUGH PARKING IN THERE. MAYBE HOPEFULLY NINE SPOTS PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET. UM, BUT IS DO YOU SEE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE DRIVEWAY? THE DRIVEWAY? I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT IT IS THAT I SEE THERE, THAT, THAT RIGHT TURN ONLY DRIVEWAY YOU HAVE THERE AT ITS CURRENT LOCATION IS GONNA, IS GONNA INVITE THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO A, UH, SUICIDE RUN THROUGH THAT, UH, THROUGH THAT OPENING. LIKE THE HEB ONE OVER THERE. YEAH. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. SO IF WE CLOSE THIS, IF WE CLOSE THIS OUT, MAYBE MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT WIDER. THAT'S, THAT'D BE OKAY. THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, A CALL THAT THE PLANETS HAVE TO MAKE. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THAT. YEAH, FOR SURE. YEAH. UM, IT WAS THERE. I MEAN HONESTLY I WAS EVEN WITH MY FINGERS CROSSED I WOULD'VE ASKED, BUT THAT'S AN EASY THING COMPARED TO EVERYTHING ELSE. IT LOOKS LIKE DRIVER'S. OKAY. AS LONG AS I CLOSE THIS SUCKER OUT AND THEN, UM, JUST WORK ON PARKING AND GARBAGE LOCATION AND GARBAGE AND A DECELERATION. OH, WE NEED THE D OH, SO THE ACCELERATION LANE WE STILL WANT, BECAUSE I SEE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS OUT HERE THAT DON'T HAVE, UH, THIS, THIS GIANT OFFICE COMPLEX, OR NOT GIANT, BUT LIKE A SHOPPING CENTER SLASH OFFICE COMPLEX HERE. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE ONE TRAFFIC. LOOKS LIKE IT GOES IN THERE PRETTY SMOOTHLY. IT'S PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION THERE. UH, THE SUN GLASS INTERSECTION, THOSE ARE GOING TOWARDS THE INTERSECTIONS. THE ONES THAT COME AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTIONS. OKAY. THE ONE, OKAY. I GUESS ONCE ONE WAYS TRAFFIC. UH, IT GOES A LITTLE FASTER. DOUG, AFTER HEARING ALL THIS, DO YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT WHERE IT WOULD MAKE US OKAY WITH IT? I'M AN ENGINEER. I CAN MAKE ANYTHING WORK. YEAH, BUT THAT RING SAYS A AND M . YEAH. NO, WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER SHOT AT IT. CAUSE WE CAME HERE TO GET Y'ALL'S INPUT. ALRIGHT. SEE WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WERE. AND, AND THIS, THIS GENTLEMAN'S COME UP HERE TO, TO TELL ME WHY IT AIN'T GOING WORK. NO. WELL I THINK ON THE DECELERATION LANE, I THINK THAT WILL HAVE, IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT, I THINK THAT'LL HAVE TO GO TO COUNSEL BECAUSE THAT'S STILL, I CONSIDER THIS WAY THAT PORTION IS, IS SEMI PARKWAY. YES. AND WE DON'T HAVE IT ANYWHERE ELSE. AND I WOULD HATE TO KIND OF STRETCH THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE A GOOD RECOMMENDATION, I'D STILL WANT TO HAVE A BLESSING ON THAT BECAUSE RATHER THAN, OH, WHY DID WE APPROVE? YOU KNOW THAT. SURE. SO JUST, UH, IF THAT IS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT ONE THING WE TAKE TO COUNCIL OVERHEAD AGAIN. YEAH, I KNOW YOU COULD ACQUIRE THAT. THE KIDNEY CENTER DOESN'T HAVE ONE. WELL THE BANK DOESN'T HAVE ONE EITHER. THE AERIAL, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A STRONG RECOMMENDATION. NO, THINK IT'S AN OBSERVATION. IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN CONSIDER THAT ONE. THAT ONE. SO PRETTY MUCH PARKING. OKAY. UH, PARKING IS THE ISSUE. OH, THERE IS PARKING. UH, YES. UH, IF YOU SEE THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT GONNA LEAVE MUCH OF THAT, UH, OF THAT MEDIAN LEFT. UH, AND IN DOING SO, THE TREE THAT'S RIGHT THERE IS GONNA GO OUT THAT TREE. NO, THE OTHER TREE THAT'S, WHY'S IT GONNA GO OUT? HMM. THAT'S IN THE MEDIAN OUT THERE. THAT'S IN THE MEDIAN. OKAY. , HOW MANY TREES ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT AREA? FOR THE PROPERTY ITSELF? NOT MANY. TWO, MAYBE ABOUT TWO. OKAY. YEAH. BUT WE, THERE, THERE IS GREEN SPACE IN THERE AND, AND WE CAN MOVE THE DUMPSTER TO WHERE IT'S MORE MANAGEABLE IF, IF WE TAKE DUO DETENTION AND PUT IT UNDERGROUND, WHICH IS VERY EXPENSIVE. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA DO, WE CAN INCREASE THE PARKING AND IF IT'S JUST A CONVENIENCE STORE AND NOT OTHER STUFF. BUT YOU WOULD NOT PUT PARKING BEHIND THIS STORE ON OVER. NO, THEY COULDN'T GET BACK THERE AND BACK OUT. RIGHT. YEAH. WE'D PUSH THE STORE BACK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND GET PARKING WHERE WE CAN NOW I WE CAN WORK ON IT AGAIN. WE, WE CAME HERE TODAY TO GET Y'ALL'S OPINION. I UNDERSTAND. AND AND Y'ALL TOLD ME I'M A VERY BAD ENGINEER AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WELL MY LAYOUT WHAT DIDN'T WORK. YOU CAN'T MAKE MORE LAND. NO, NO, THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S MY PROBLEM. AND SOMETIMES THEY, THEY THINK WE CAN DO MIRACLES, BUT YEAH, WE CAN MAKE THIS CAN BE A 36 FOOT WIDE DRIVE AND MAKE IT WORK HERE AND DO AWAY WITH THAT ONE SO THAT [00:30:01] THEY WON'T DO THE SUICIDE THING OVER HERE. WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WAS THERE. PROBABLY . THERE WE GO. CAUSE EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY KNOWS ME. CONFIRM ITSELF. SUSPENSIONS. AND YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT LAMINATING TWO OF THE PUMPS SO THAT YOU HAVE MORE OF A PATH TO PARKING WITH THE CONVENIENCE. THAT'S A BIG LOSS. THAT'S A HUGE LOSS. IT'S YOUR REVENUE GENERATOR. IF THEY CAN'T PARK TO BUY GAS, THEY DON'T BUY BEER AND CIGARETTES. WELL, HARD IN THE BUCKIES THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY ON GASOLINE. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE 60 PUMPS AT EVERY STORE. WE'RE GONNA, I KNOW THE LADY TO BUYS THE GASOLINE. WE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO KEEP THE SIX PUMPS AND REDO EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU WANT THEM TO STOP EVEN AT SIX PUNCH TO THEN GO IN AND SPEND MONEY. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S THE, BECAUSE THEY GOTTA SPEND MONEY WHILE IT'S FILLING UP. IT TAKES A WHILE. YEAH. BUT THEY PARKING BECAUSE THESE GUYS TURN THE PUMPS DOWN SLOW. SO THEY HAVE TO, AND PEOPLE CAN PARK AT THE PUMPS. I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T LOOK AT IT OFFICIALLY LIKE THAT, BUT I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT. I, I PERSONALLY LIKE PUMP WALKING IN THE STORE NOW I GET IT. SO IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL GIVEN US KIND OF SOME MARCHING ORDERS. LET'S TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND WHICH MEANS Y'ALL GET TO SEE ME AGAIN NEXT MONTH TOTALLY. WITH THESE GENTLEMEN. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY FOR THINKING AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. WELL IT'S, IT'S A TIGHT MM-HMM. SITE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME WITH THIS IS AS BIG AS IT CAN GET. LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE WHAT THEY, THAT'S TRUE. LET'S SEE WHAT THEY DO. AND Y Y'ALL DIDN'T CAVE. YOU TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE STORE OVER THE DETENTION POND? OH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN PUT IT UNDERGROUND IN THIS AREA IN FRONT. OKAY. THAT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S, IT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S, YOU CAN DO THAT AND IT'S, IT'S COSTLY. I UNDERSTAND THAT MEANS IT'S COSTLY. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO AN UNDERGROUND ATTENTION POND. IF YOU CUT THE CUT AWAY, THE CUT THE CUT THROUGH OUT OF THE PICTURE, SHRINK THE STORE DETENTION POND CAN STILL SAY NORMAL. EASY ACCESS, CIVIL WORK. GET SOME PARKING OVER HERE. YOU CAN ADD A GOOD AMOUNT OF SPOTS, ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE PARALLEL SPOTS. CAUSE I MEAN, THE FIRE LINE'S NOT GONNA BE YOUR, YOUR EASTERN SIDE, THE FIRE LINE'S GONNA BE YOUR WESTERN SIDE, IF EVEN SO I, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHEN, WHEN I LOOKED AT YOUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE? YEAH. 10 SPACES FOR A THOUSAND FEET. THAT'S HUGE. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T OFFICIALLY ENCOURAGE, UH, GAMING MACHINES IN THEM. BUT, YOU KNOW, WELL, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE NUMBER HE'S GONNA HAVE IN THERE BUT YOU NO, HE'S NOT HAVING GAME. I'M JUST TEASING. HE'S FOR THOUSAND. YOU CAN'T SELL LIQUOR BUT . YEAH, BUT BLOWS MY MIND. I GO TO A LOT OF CONVENIENCE STORES WHEN I'M DRIVING BACK AND FORTH TO GOD'S COUNTRY AND THERE'S NOT A LOT OF CARS IN FRONT OF THEM, GENERALLY . SO, OKAY. GOD'S COUNTRY'S ALSO IN THE MIDDLE OF GOD'S COUNTRY. NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF 35,000 PEOPLE WHO HAVE GOT SOMEWHERE TO GO IN FOUR MINUTES. . WHO ARE LANDLOCKED. YEAH. . THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, LITERALLY IT'S LAKE JACKSON IS IT? MAY AS WELL BE AN ISLAND. THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO. UNDERSTAND. WE GOT NO LEFT. WE GOT NOTHING LEFT. BESIDES THE GREAT SWAMP OF VIN LEAGUES. A QUESTION, UM, WOULD YOU ALSO ENTERTAIN THE NOTION IF YOU REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND YOU DETENTION TO LOW, UH, ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF TURNING BOTH PUMPS STATION AND THE BUILDING 90 DEGREES? WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN LOOK AT IT. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT'S A, IT'S A RECTANGLE AND IF YOU TURN IT 90 DEGREES, IT'S VERY NARROW THE OTHER WAY. AND IT'S HARD TO GET, YOU CAN'T BACK OUT. AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, IT WON'T WORK. AND I THINK FOR THE SEMI, IT WOULD BE TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE. YEAH. TO, THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. BECAUSE YOU GOTTA HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO BACK OUT FROM THE STORE AND THEN YOU GOT CARS COMING OUT FROM THE PUMPS. IT'S JUST, IT GETS TOO, TOO TIGHT. AND, UH, WE WANT BOTH SIDES OF TRAFFIC TO SEE THE FRONT OF THE STORY. IT'S THE PRETTIEST SIDE I GOT. SO DOUG, YOU GOT ENOUGH TO WORK WITH. GOOD ENOUGH TO GO? YEAH. THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK GUYS. THANKS GUYS. THANK YOU. WE JUST CAME HERE FOR FEEDBACK. I APPRECIATE YOU. WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THIS AND IT GOOD. AND IT WAS ALL NEGATIVE. I LIKE IT. . I'M USED TO. YEAH. NO, NO I DIDN'T. IT'S TIME. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALIVE. . THANK Y'ALL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MR. RILEY. THIS POINT. WHERE DID THE SIGN GO? I'M NOT GONNA STAY FOR THE TREE BURNING BECAUSE OF MY CLIENT. DID YOU DO THAT TOO? YEAH, HE DID. HE SIGNED OFF ON IT. I SAW A SIGNATURE. MINE WASN'T THERE. WE'RE GONNA MAKE ALWAYS ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS RATHER THAN PERMISSION. STICK AROUND, HEAR THIS. CAUSE THIS WAY YOU CAN TELL YOUR FUTURE CLIENTS THE TROUBLE. THEY'LL GET IN. I'LL READ THE ORDINANCE. YOU'RE A GOOD GUY. OH, THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU GUYS. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. BYE-BYE. [00:35:01] I'LL SEE YOU ON. ALL RIGHT, SHARE, [5. DISCUSS ADDING PENALTIES FOR ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL AND CLEAR CUTTING - SHERRI RUSSELL] YOU'RE UP. DISCUSS ADDING PENALTIES FOR ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL AND CLEAR CUTTING. IT SHOULD BE SOMEWHERE IN YOUR POCKET. THESE STICKERS ARE, I'M GOING BACKWARDS. UM, ANYWAY, THERE'S SOME WORDS THAT I MADE OF IN YOUR POCKET AND UM, WE CALL IT DRAFTING. SO, UH, I ADDED A DEFINITION OF CLEAR CUTTING AND THEN, AND C I MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU CAN'T CLEAR CUT SO THAT THAT CAN BE A SEPARATE OFFENSE. UM, THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THE RESIDENTIAL. THE RESIDENTIAL, THEY ONLY NEED, I MEAN THE CLEAR CUTTING DOES, BUT ALL THEY NEED IS A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT GONNA AFFECT THE RES THE RESIDENTIAL, IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE LARGER PROPERTIES. SO THEN, UM, I, AND THE WHOLE LANDSCAPING ORDINANCE IS NOT HERE. JUST THE PARTS I THOUGHT WERE RELEVANT. AND THEN I ADDED THE PENALTIES SO THAT WE STILL HAVE THE $500, BUT EACH TREE REMOVED IS, IS AN OFFENSE. UH, WHAT I WAS GETTING AWAY FROM WAS WE HAVE, UM, RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS IS ON PROTECTED TREES, BUT SINCE WE'RE DOING CLEAR CUTTING, I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE PENALTIES JUST FOR PROTECTED TREES. AND SO, UM, AND THEN CIVIL PENALTY IS THE $200. AND SINCE WITH WHAT HAPPENED AT THE PLACE THAT WILL NOT BE NAMED, YOU CAN'T TELL. WE PUT IN WHAT CONROE WANTS, WHICH IS ASSUMED 200 DIAMETER INCHES PER ACRE. AND THEN, UM, THAT'S JUST A, THAT'S A FLAT RATE THAT STAFF WILL, UH, CHARGE THEM AND THEN THEY CAN COME HERE AND APPEAL IT AND, UM, NEGOTIATE WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THE PENALTY. AND THEN I PUT IN THE ABILITY FOR STAFF TO HOLD, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS AND IMPOSE STOP WORK ORDERS. WE CAN'T, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO STOP PLATS AND SITE PLANS BECAUSE OF THE, THE STATE LAWS AND THE SHOP CLOCKS THEY'VE PUT US. BUT I GUESS THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN TRY TO HALT. OKAY. JOHN, WHAT DID YOU SAY THE RATIONALE FOR THE 200 DIAMETER INCHES WAS? THAT'S, THAT WAS WHAT CONROE USED. AND UM, AND IT'S, AND IT'S JUST A GUESS ON HOW MUCH, AND IT'S NOT COUNTING, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT COUNTING TRASH TREES IN UNDERGROWTH. UM, OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE A LOT MORE THAN 200. YEAH. I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT VALUABLE, VALUABLE TREES. IT'S AN ESTIMATE FOR VALUABLE TREES. I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT NUMBER WAS A LITTLE BIT, LITTLE BIT LOW, RIGHT? YEAH, IT DID. WELL THE PROBLEM IS IT'S A, IT'S A GUESS AND YOU DON'T, I MEAN, YOU DON'T MIND THEM GOING IN AND CLEARING HALF BERRIES IT, YEAH. ANYWAY, OR IN MY CASE, MAGNOLIAS, THEY MAKE MORE TRASH THAN HACK BEARS. AND UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE THAT CAME FROM. OKAY. YEAH. JOHN, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE LAST MEETING. THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HE DO IN THIS CASE, WHICH WAS CLEAR CUT, YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS THERE WITH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. AND THAT'S JUST THE FIRST STAB. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE ANSWER, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A STAB AT IT. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I REMEMBER THAT DISCUSSION, BUT I, I GUESS THAT 200 SEEMED, SEEMED A LITTLE LOWER. THAT'S LIKE 10 20 INCH TREES PER, IT'S $40,000 AN ACRE. I KNOW, I KNOW THAT I, I DID THAT, THAT CALCULATION TOO. BUT EVEN IF THERE'S NO TREES ON IT, FOR A CIVIL PENALTY, NOT FOR THE COST OF THE ACRE OF LAND. I GOT IT. I GOT IT. . SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY COMMENT. NOTHING. I JUST HAD TO DO MATH AND I'M WELL, YOU DID IT FOR ME AND IT HURT. IT HURT. WE'RE LAWYERS . WELL, IT'S NOT A LAW, IT'S JUST A THEORY. THEORY. UH, THE FIRST PROCESS WITH THE CITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE TO GET A PERMIT TO, UH, REPLANT OR WHAT IS THE FIRST STEP THAT WE ARE WANTING THEM DO? HOW DO THESE PEOPLE OUT IN NORTHWOOD? UH, THEY JUST DIDN'T COME AND THEY DIDN'T COME WITH THEIR PLAT OR THEIR SITE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE, THAT'S THE FIRST THING IS THE PLA AND THEN THE SITE PLAN. AND, AND AS YOU DO THE PLANT AND THE SITE PLAN, YOU START DISCUSSING THE TREES AND THEY COME WITH THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND THAT, THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT IS VALUABLE AND WHAT ISN'T. CUZ WITH A PLACE LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD GET A TREE SURVEY CUZ YOU WOULD NEED ONE OTHER PLACES WHERE IT'S ALREADY BEEN CLEARED. KIND OF LIKE ALDEN LAKES. IT'S NOT THAT MUCH COVER. BUT THIS IS BEFORE THEY APPLY FOR A PERMIT OR ANYTHING. YES, THAT'S RIGHT. GOTTA REMEMBER THAT THE, THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IS, UH, YOU HAVE TO SEPARATE RESIDENTIAL FROM COMMERCIAL AND [00:40:01] COMMERCIAL. YOU REQUIRE A TREE SURVEY. RIGHT. ON RESIDENTIAL YOU DON'T. SO THE ONLY WAY TO HOLD THEM IS THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT PLANTED PROPERTY. OKAY. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT WAS NOT PLANTED BECAUSE IT'S RESIDENTIAL, IT WAS NOT PLANTED. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE, HE MOVED IN THERE WITHOUT UH, THAT PERMIT. YEAH. AN EXTREME EXAMPLE. THIS IS WHAT THEY DID INCLUDE WHERE THEY TOOK ALL THOSE TREES DOWN AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S COMMERCIAL SO. OH REALLY? YEAH, IT, THAT CORNER'S GONNA BE COMMERCIAL AND JUST TOOK EVERYTHING OUT. THAT MAKES SENSE. AT THE CORNER. YEAH. AND WE WOULD'VE JUMPED ON HER THERE. BUT THAT HOUSE MAN, I MEAN BESIDES US NOT HAVING MUCH MORE LAND TO CLEAR CUT AND DOLLAR SHORT DAY LATE, BUT I'M GOING BETWEEN NORTHWOOD AND OLD, OLD ANTHONY, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES. THAT VERY TRUE. THAT'S OUR LAST, THAT'S OUR LAST FRONTIER. YEAH. HOPE SOMEBODY GOES OVER TO ALLEN LAKES AND START TAKING DOWN TREES. WE CAN GET 'EM REAL GOOD. TWO TREES BREAKER OVER THERE . HOPE THEY DON'T KNOCK OVER OUR FIRE HYDRANTS. SHERRY, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? ? I JUST NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS OKAY AND WE CAN BRING IT TO COUNSEL AND DISCUSS IT WITH THEM. IT LOOKS GOOD. THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. WOULD IT MORE LIKE, LIKE A MOTION TO BENEFIT FOR HER? SURE. THAT WOULD BE NICE. SHE LACK THE MOTION. MM-HMM. . I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND, UH, THE MODIFIED, UH, ORDINANCE OF ILLEGAL TREE REMOVAL. AND CLEAR CUTTING. WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU SHERRY. SURE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SIGNATURE OF DOCUMENTS. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SIGN? UH, NO, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TODAY. RECORD. THEY ARE SLOW IN PROCESSING THEIR PAST NOW OUTS OF [7. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] COMMUNITY INTEREST. JOHN, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING. I DID HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. IF SOMEONE CAN SPEAK TO IT. I WAS WONDERING HOW, HOW THINGS WENT WITH THE FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS. UM, SEEING HOW WE, IT PRETTY MUCH RAINED ALL DAY LONG. WAS COULD TURN OUT OR IT ON THE MAYOR? BLAME IT ON THE MAYOR . THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. . WELL, WE GOTTA START OFF THE LOWEST CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FIRST. WE'VE HAD, WE'VE HAD WORSE, YOU KNOW, ATTENDANCE. UH, BUT AS LONG AS WE HAVE RASCAL RHYTHM SINGING, WE DO GET PLENTY OF PEOPLE OUT. UH, SO IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE DAY INSIDE THE CIVIC CENTER WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PARENTS, YOU KNOW, CAME OUT TO SEE THEIR CHILDREN. OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE PARADE. UH, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SEVERAL REQUESTS TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO RESCHEDULE IT. IT'S JUST, EVEN THOUGH IT'S STILL A SMALL PARADE, IT'S STILL A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING. MM-HMM. BECAUSE EVEN OUR, WE HAVE FIVE OTHER AGENCIES THAT HELP US, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, PEARL PUT SENDS TWO OFFICERS OR THREE AND THEY PAY THEM AND DONATED THEIR TIME. THE COUNTY CLUE YOU JUST CAN'T RESCHEDULE THEM TO ANOTHER TIME. RIGHT. SO WE TRIED TO HOLD OFF UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE AND THE RAIN, IT JUST, THE WEATHER JUST KEPT ON NOT WORKING WITH US. AND SO WE, YOU KNOW, FROM SAFETY PERSPECTIVE WE, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS RIGHT. BUT UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO WE HAD A DELUGE AND WE HAD TO CANCEL. UH, ALL WE CAN FEEL IS BLESSED THAT MAYBE EVERY 10, YOU KNOW, FOR 10 YEARS WE HAVE GOOD WEATHER. AND THEN EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT INTERRUPTS. BUT, UH, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE, UH, GOOD THE NEXT NINE YEARS OR 10 YEARS. GOOD. THANK YOU. GOOD. ? I DID NOT TALK TO FOR HIS FORECAST. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THANK YOU. MATT. THE STREET LIGHTS OVER ON THE DOW SUPERFUND SITE. WHAT ARE THOSE COMING BACK ON THE DOW TALKING ABOUT THE LITTLE YEAH. YEAH. THE THE SUPER FUN SITE. NO ONE LIKES TO, TO TALK. OH, THOSE AREN'T WORKING. NO, I, THAT'S A REAL GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, OKAY. I HADN'T DRIVEN TONIGHT. THEY WEREN'T THERE YESTERDAY. THEY WERE ON YESTERDAY. TODAY FROM UH, FROM CENTER POINT THAT THOSE ARE ARE BACK ON. THEY FOUND A CUT LINE AND THEN WHEN THEY RESTORED THE LINE LAST THURSDAY, THEY STILL HAD LIGHTS THAT WERE OUT AND, BUT I HAD AN EMAIL CONFIRMATION TODAY THAT ALL THE LIGHTS WERE REPAIRED. SO IF YOU SEE DIFFERENTLY, LET LET ME KNOW. YEAH. AS OF LAST NIGHT FROM 2004 UP TO THE HIGHWAY OR TO THE HOUSE LINE, THERE WERE NO LIGHTS. YEAH, SHE SENT [00:45:01] ME AN EMAIL PROBABLY SEVEN OR EIGHT THIS MORNING. ROGER THAT. THANK YOU SIR. LOCK. YOU GOT ANYTHING? SHERRY, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NO, I DON'T. MILFORD THE DAY. IT'S BEEN QUIET TONIGHT. MM-HMM. MODEST. THAT'S THE, ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING NEW GOING ON IN THE CITY? THANK YOU. UH, TOMORROW'S NEWSPAPER YOU'LL READ A RATHER LONG. WELL I'M GONNA GUESS IT'S PROBABLY A LONG STORY. UM, IS THAT THE DOW EMPLOYEE CREDIT UNION HAS APPROACHED THE CITY. THEY ARE PLANNING TO PURCHASE FIVE ACRES BEHIND HEB AND THEY'VE EXPLORED, THEY'RE ASKING IF WE WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN A PARK PLAN AND BUILD THE ROAD A SANDWICH BETWEEN A HOTEL AS WELL AND PROVIDE PARKING. AND SO THERE WOULD BE A PARK AND POSSIBLY A FOOTPRINT FOR A FUTURE CITY BUILDING. SO THAT CONVERSATION STARTED LAST NIGHT AND MAY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE FOR THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, UH, TWO OR THREE MONTHS WITH, WITH CITY COUNCIL. NO DECISION HAS BEEN MADE. UH, BUT THERE'S AT LEAST INTRIGUE, YOU KNOW, ON THAT. AND SO YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. TCO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY IS LOOKING TO PUT A PARK. YEAH. THEIR PLAN IS THEY WANTED TO HAVE A COMMUNITY OPEN SPACE THERE AND THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A FOOTPRINT, YOU KNOW, FOR A FUTURE CITY BUILDING THAT'S NOT BEEN DETERMINED WHAT THAT WOULD BE. UH, SO, OR YOU KNOW, THERE PROBABLY STILL A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE SIZE. UH, THEY'VE SHOWN US THE SIZE. I THINK WE WOULD LIKE BIGGER, UH, FOR THAT. AND SO THIS WOULD BE A FUNDED BY TDC PROJECT. THE BUILDING WOULDN'T, UH, BUT THE PARK SPACE IS PLANNING WOULD BE THEIR REQUEST FOR US IS TO EXTEND AS CONNECTION AND THAT THE ROAD BY ITSELF IS A MILLION DOLLARS ESTIMATE. AND THEN, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PARKING. THE PARKING PROPOSED, UH, FOR THE PARK WOULD BE ON THE PARKWAY RIGHT THERE WHERE YOU SEEK, I GUESS THE LAY DOWN YARD THAT WE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION, WHICH WAS THE FIRE STATION BEFORE I WAS HERE. I GUESS WAS THE FIRST STATION THERE WHEN YOU WERE HERE BILL? UH, SAL. SO THE FIRE STATION BEFORE SAL WAS BORN? YEAH, THE ORIGINAL. SO I WOULD LIKE, UH, CORRELATION WAS NEXT TO THE STAPLES. HOW MUCH FIRST BASE AND HOW MUCH PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX THAT WE LOSE. HOW MUCH PROPERTY TAX AND SALES TAX IF YOU DID HAVE UH, BUSINESSES IN THERE? UH, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN THAT PROPERTY'S BEEN FOR SALE FOR A WHILE. FOR ALL THOSE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKING TO BUY, ITS LOOKING FOR, WE HADN'T GIVEN THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A RIGHT OFF GIVE IT TO FOR THE, THEIR HQ MOVES. THEY'RE ALREADY SCALP MUCH IN THE VERY BEGINNING. WE'D PROBABLY HAVE SOME, THEY'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT BUYING THAT PLACE. YEAH. SO YOU'LL SEE AN ARTICLE JUST FROM THE, THE INITIAL CONVERSATION. BUT AGAIN, NO DECISIONS BEEN MADE. IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD COME TO FRUITION. IT MAY NOT. COOL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE DES FOR THE PROPERTY? CREATE A PROBLEM? WHAT'S HE SAYING? YEAH, THE, THE HEB PRIVACY ACT. I MEAN, I'M SORRY THE HEB HUB OR P WE MADE REALLY SCREWS A LOT OF BUSINESSES OUT OF GOING IN THERE. YEAH, WELL IT'S NOT THE POD IT'S THEIR PRIVATE RESTRICTIONS. RESTRICTIONS. IT'S THEIR RESTRICTIONS, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M SORRY. THEIR PRIVACY RESTRICTIONS. YEAH, IT'S VERY LIMITED OF WHAT CAN OPERATE THERE FROM, YOU KNOW, ANY SENSE OF, UH, COMP, YOU KNOW, COMPETITION. YEAH. AND ALSO BUILDING HEIGHTS. SO THAT'S, THAT HAS CREATED, YOU KNOW, UM, UM, I GUESS YOU KNOW, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF KICKING THE TIRES AND THEN RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE IT JUST, THEY JUST COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK. QUIN PROBABLY STILL LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T KNOW. UH, LAQUINTA? NO LAQUINTA THIS THEY CASHED OUT. YEAH. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPOSED A ISAIAH EXTENSION IS THE HOME. TWO SUITES. YEAH. UH, THERE THAT SIGN'S GOT A LOT OF MOLD ON IT. SABRINA. NO DAVID, COME ON DAVID. TELL US ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD. DAVID. SOMETHING GOOD? NOPE. GET A NEW MOWER. MOWER RETAILER. MEGA RETAILER. A NEW MOWER MEGA RETAILER. HOW DARE YOU? DANG. IT'S LIKE THAT S MOVING IN. THAT'S NOT FUNNY. THAT'S NOT FUNNY. EDDIE, YOU GOT UPDATE FOR US? UH, YEAH, LITTLE BIT. I WOULD, I WOULD THINK SENT YOU ON ONE THAT WORKS HERE. HE'S LOOKING TO GET A NEW HOMESTEAD IN ACTION. BOY. OH MAN, I TRY. ALL RIGHT. SO AS YOU KNOW, I SPEND MOST OF MY TIME [00:50:01] DOWNTOWN, BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS GOING ON AROUND TOWN THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT BE GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT AND I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH BASE ON 'EM. WE SAT LAKEWOOD OVER THERE. THEY'RE BUILDING FAST. THE BUILDINGS ARE GOING UP THERE ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE BLOCK BETWEEN HOLLY AND PECAN. THEY DID GET PERMISSION TO CLOSE THE STREET. THE, THE OWNERS ARE KICKING AROUND THE IDEA OF HAVING AN ENGINEER DESIGN THEIR TRAFFIC PLAN SO THEY CAN GET THAT DONE. BUT THEY HAVEN'T MOVED ON IT YET. I DON'T KNOW KNOW WHY THEY HAVE IT. THEY JUST HAVE IT, UM, TREAT. YEAH, THEY CALLED THAT ONE OUT. THE VILLAS IS STILL MOVING. THEY'RE MOVING VERY SLOW, BUT THEY'RE STILL MOVING. UH, THERE'S LIFE THERE EVERY DAY. BUT YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING NEW HAPPENING? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, WE DO HAVE THE PIN OAKS, PIN OAKS, SYCAMORE, UH, NORTH SHADY OAKS PLANS BACK. DOUG IS DOING THAT PROJECT FOR US AND HE HAS SUBMITTED THE PLANS. WE'RE REVIEWING THE GEOMETRICS THE WAY THAT WE'RE SHIFTING THE STREET AROUND AND TRYING TO NOT HAVE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM ALL AT ONCE COMPLAINING. SO WE'RE , WE'RE ON THAT . AND THEN THE OTHER BIG THING, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT CENTER POINT IS PUTTING UP FIBERGLASS TELEPHONE POLES ALL AROUND TOWN. THEY'RE PUTTING 'EM IN CERTAIN PLACES TO TRY TO WHERE, WHERE THEY HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE POLES LEANING OVER. THEY'RE TRYING TO REINFORCE THOSE SO THEY CAN GET THE LINE STRAIGHTENED, SPACE 'EM OUT. FIBER FIBERGLAS, THEY'VE PUT SOME OF THOSE IN SOME QUESTIONABLE TRAFFIC LOCATIONS. YES, THEY HAVE. AND THEY HAVEN'T PULLED A PERMIT FOR A SINGLE ONE. OH, HOW NICE. IT'S INTERESTING. EUROPE, THEY'RE ALL CONCRETE. WELL, I MEAN WE'VE GOT SOME CONCRETE ONES TOO AND THEY PROBABLY SHOULD BE, BUT FIBERGLASS IS A LOT CHEAPER. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. IF YOU ACTUALLY GONE AND PUT YOUR HANDS ON 'EM, THEY'RE PRETTY INTERESTING. NO INTERIOR SUPPORT THOUGH. A COMPLETE OPEN SHELL. YEAH, THAT BLEW MY MIND. I LOOKED AT 'EM AND THOUGHT, MAN, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA SLIDE 'EM OVER? THE WOODEN POLE OR WHAT? THAT'S . UH, NO, THEY JUST DIDN'T FIBERGLAS. THEY'RE SINK. THEY'RE SINKING 'EM IN JUST LIKE A NORMAL POLE FILLING WITH GRAVEL IN BETWEEN. AND I BLEW MY MIND WILL HELP WITH A CAP AT THE BOTTOM. THEY'RE NOT EVEN, THEY'RE NOT EVEN SINKING UP THROUGH THE CENTER OF, OF THE TUBE. YOU DON'T GO DEEPER. UM, NOT MUCH DEEPER. IF THEY DO, IF THEY DO AT ALL. I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE THE WHOLE KEY. THESE POLES ARE A LITTLE TALLER. SO FOR A WOOD POLE THAT, THAT HEIGHT, IT'S, IT'D BE ABOUT THE SAME. GOT A WIDER BASE ON 'EM TOO, SO YEAH, THEY PRETTY BIG, PRETTY THEY AROUND. YEAH, THEY'RE, IT GOES TAPERED. YEAH. NOT STRAIGHT LIKE THE WOOD POLES. AND THAT'S ALL I GOT. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING YOU'VE SEEN, ANYTHING NEW DOWNTOWN GOING ON? HEADACHES, LOTS AND LOTS OF HEADACHES? UM, NO, UH, THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD. THEY'RE PICKING UP PACE A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE TRYING TO, WELL THE CONTRACTOR'S TRYING TO CONVINCE THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT'S DOING A SIDEWALK TO MOVE MORE CREWS DOWN AND TO GET THE BEHIND THE CURB WORK DONE A LITTLE FASTER ON THAT WAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA WORK OR NOT. WE TRIED GETTING THE CONTRACTOR TO DO THE SAME THING AND THEY TOLD US IT WAS, THEY NEEDED MORE MONEY. THEY NEED YOU TO CLOSE DOWN MORE STUFF. SO, UM, I EXPECT THE SUB TO GIVE THEM THE SAME ANSWER. UM, BUT NOW THERE'S NOTHING, NOTHING REALLY HAPPENING DOWN THERE. THEY'RE JUST PLUGGING AWAY AT IT AND TRYING TO GET IT DONE AND STAY OUT OF EVERYONE'S WAY FOR THE, THE HOLIDAYS. THANK YOU, EDDIE. YES, SIR. NELSON. SO, NO SIR. YEAH, [8. SET NEXT MEETING DATE – Wednesday, January 4, 2023 ] NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 4TH. ALL RIGHT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD DAY. THANK Y'ALL. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.