Mar 07, 2023 Planning Commission

IS WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACTION ON THE REZONING OF THE BRASS PORT VILLAGE.

FIRST ITEM

[4. PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ON A REZONING OF THE BRAZOSPORT VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER AT 410 PLANTATION DRIVE FROM A B-1 TO C-1 FOR A STORAGE BUSINESS USE]

SHOPPING, SHOPPING CENTER AT FOUR 10 PLANTATION DRIVE FROM B ONE TO C ONE FOR A STORAGE BUSINESS UNIT.

OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING.

I'M JEFF SHARPENED HERE, FORMER OF 44 YEARS IN LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.

LIVE IN LEAGUE CITY.

I DO NOT WANT THIS.

THEY DO NOT COLLECT ANY TAXES, THEREFORE THEY DID DO NOT SUPPORT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY.

I HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 PROPERTY OWNERS ON PLANTATION THAT ARE AGAINST IT.

PLUS EVEN THREE PEOPLE FROM THE HOME SHOPPING CENTER ARE AGAINST IT.

THAT'S IT.

ANY QUESTIONS? YOU SAID THREE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT RENT FROM THEM.

RENT FROM HIM.

THEY'RE AGAINST IT.

AND ALL THE PEOPLE EXCEPT ONE GUY AND HE'S ON THE FENCE.

HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT TAXES.

HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T PAY TAXES.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY DON'T COLLECT TAXES, THEREFORE THE CITY GETS NOTHING.

SO IT'S LIKE GIVING THEM FREE PROPERTY AND IT'S FULLY UPSETTING CUZ I WANT THAT DEAL.

HI, I'M DARREN KELLY WITH RED MOOSE STORAGE.

AND JUST WANNA SAY, AND ON THE ISSUE OF TAXES, UM, WE OF COURSE WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES.

ONE OF THIS GOT THEIR RENT RAISED LAST MONTH.

WHICH GO TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO THE ONLY THING THAT, UM, SELF STORAGE IS NOT SALES TAXED UNLESS IT'S PARKING.

UM, BUT THE, UH, PROPERTY TAXES GO TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND, UM, AND SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT POINT WAS MADE AND, UM, I I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, THE UH, OWNER OF THE CENTER HAS GONE SEVERAL YEARS TRYING TO RENT THIS PARTICULAR PARTS OF THE CENTER.

AND UH, DOES THAT MEAN IT HASN'T BEEN COLLECTING SALES TAXES AS IT'S BEEN AN EMPTY BUILDING? ONLY IF THEY SELL MERCHANT.

WELL, YEAH.

YEAH, EXACTLY.

IT HASN'T BEEN COLLECTING SELL TAXES OR ANY KIND OF TAXES.

IT HAS NOT BEEN COLLECTING ANY TAXES.

CORRECT.

AND THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY HASN'T GONE UP BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN A USABLE BUILDING.

CORRECT.

WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAXES.

SO, UM, ALSO TOO, UM, I THINK THE, THE LOST REVENUES OVER YEARS FOR THE OWNER.

HE'S TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO RECOUP SOME OF THAT.

AND HE DID PUT A LOT OF IMAGING INTO THE CENTER TO KEEP IT LOOKING PRETTY FOR THE CITY.

AND, UH, WE BELIEVE THE STORAGE PROPERTY WILL CONTINUE THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF HOW IT'S LOOKING AND HOW IT'S RUN.

UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANKS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AGAIN, PLEASE, PLEASE.

WELL, BEFORE YOU GO, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO TALK ON IT BEFORE HE COMES BACK UP TO REBUT THE GENTLEMAN? OKAY.

MR. SHARPENED HERE.

LOOK ACROSS THE STREET FROM KROGER'S WHERE THE KROGER USED TO BE.

LOOK WHAT CLTE HAS DONE THAT WAS VACANT FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

I FEEL LIKE THIS PERSON WHO'S RUNNING THE SHOPPING CENTER IS NOT ACTIVE, ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING.

I KNOW THAT I, I'VE RESTORED THE SHOPPING CENTER, INCLUDE 3 0 1 PLANTATIONS, HAVE PICTURES.

I'M A OLD WELDER.

IF I CAN DO IT, ANYBODY CAN DO IT.

HE'S GOTTA GET OFF HIS BIRD DOG AND DO IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE DEFINITE TO THE CITY.

DRIVING BY THERE AND SEE AN EMPTY PARKING LOT.

THERE WAS A CHURCH THERE AND A BAR AND THE CHURCH GUY CAME UP TO ME, HE SAID, I HAVE TO MOVE CUZ THEY RENT TO A BAR.

SO THAT TELLS ME THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO THINK ABOUT IT, DRIVE BY THERE AND SEE IF YOU WANNA SEE MORE VACANCIES CUZ HE'S NOT RUNNING THE PROPERTY.

I MEAN, LUKE CROSS STREET HAS DONE GO DOWN PLANTATION.

I COME HERE EVERY TUESDAY, I DRIVE UP AND DOWN PLANTATION CLERK'S KICKING BIRDDOGS.

OKAY, THIS GUY'S NOT DOING NOTHING.

HALF IS VACANT.

OH, BY THE WAY, TWO OF THE RENTERS WANTED TO SIGN IT, BUT THEY WERE SCARED OF HIM CUZ

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SO THEY'RE SCARED TO SIGN THE PETITION.

ANYBODY ELSE? NO SIR.

JEFF, ANYTHING GOING ON? YEAH, I'D DROP BY THERE ALL THE TIME TOO.

UH, I I MEAN I'D LOVE TO SEE IT BE USED.

I LIVE AND WORK OR WORK AND HAVE SEEN A LOT OF EMPTY GROCERY STORE SPACES AND THINGS IN A LOT OF CITIES.

SOME HERE, SOME INCLUDE THAT HAVE BEEN REDEVELOPED.

A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM IN ENGLETON.

AND THE PROBLEMS WITH THE ONES IN ENGLETON ARE MUCH LIKE THAT FACILITY IS, THEY'RE OLD.

THEY, THEY HADN'T BEEN IN KROGER OCCUPIED WHERE IT WAS, IT HAD BEEN REFURBISHED.

I'M ALL ABOUT ALLOWING BUSINESS OWNERS TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS, UH, WITHIN GUIDELINES.

I THINK WHEN WE, IT GOT BROUGHT TO US TO CONTEMPLATE WHAT WE MIGHT THINK AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.

AND SO I APPRECIATE GETTING THESE LETTERS, WHICH WE'VE READ AND COMING IN TO TALK ABOUT.

BUT, UH, IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I THINK THE PRIOR PERSON, DIDN'T HE SAY WAS LIKE SOMEBODY WANTED TO DO A BATTING CAGE? THEY DID.

THEY WERE.

AND THEN THEY ENDED UP MOVING OUT CAUSE OF LOW REVENUE.

THE LOW REVENUE.

AND THAT WASN'T BRINGING IN, I THINK THE ONE THING I SAW NOW TODAY, IT'S NOT PAY SALES TAXES, THE LETTER.

IT WAS NOT BRINGING IN ENOUGH TRAFFIC TO OTHER VENDORS IN THE AREA.

UH, I, I VIEW SOMETHING FOR THE CITIZENS, WHETHER THEY'RE INCLUDE LAKE JACKSON BECAUSE WE'RE ALL BRASS PORT.

UH, THEY BROUGHT IN AND BUSINESS OWNERS TALKED ABOUT, UH, THE LACK OF, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS WE CHANGE ZONING.

WE'RE NOT LEASING THE SPACE.

WE'RE JUST CHANGING ZONING.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

WE'RE NOT CREATING IT TO BE AIR CONDITIONED STORAGE.

WE'RE CREATING IT TO BE, WE'RE CHANGING IF WE PRO, YOU KNOW, IF WE RECOMMEND IT AND IT GETS DONE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING WHAT IT CAN BE.

AND I THINK FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT MAY INCREASE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF BUSINESSES.

I CANNOT CONTROL WHAT A PROPERTY OWNER DOES AND I DON'T THINK THE CITY WITHIN CERTAIN GUIDELINES CAN DO THAT.

THEY CAN JUST RECOMMEND ZONING, WHICH EXPANDS.

I THINK FROM WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THIS WAS JUST EXPANDS THE PRO THE POSSIBILITY FOR USE OF THAT STRIP CENTER SO IT DOESN'T CONTINUE TO REMAIN VACANT.

THAT'S JUST ONLY MY THOUGHT.

I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION.

UH, I JUST, I, AND I APPRECIATE IT WHEN WE HAVE CITIZENS, EVEN FORMER CITIZENS WHO ARE VERY EMOTIONAL ABOUT THINGS.

CUZ I LOVE IT THAT WE HAVE A CROWD HERE TODAY, .

UH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS YOU CAN PUSH SOME BUTTONS EMOTIONALLY, BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS HOW BUSINESSES RUN.

UH, EMOTIONALLY, YOU'VE GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT PAYS THE BILLS, WHAT BRINGS THE REVENUE.

CUZ I BELIEVE IF HE EVEN SAID, I'M DONE, I CAN'T EVEN MAKE A LIVING ON THIS BUSINESS.

WHO'S HE GONNA SELL IT TO? BECAUSE A GOOD BUSINESS OWNER, AND EVIDENTLY YOU, YOU'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH THESE THINGS.

YOU HAVE YOU OFFERED TO BUY IT FROM HIM? NO, I HAVE A OKAY, WELL THERE YOU GO.

I COULD TURN THAT IN SIX MONTHS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU PRESENTED HIM A BUSINESS PROPOSAL? BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA TALK TO HIM.

I I'LL GO BY THE BIT.

YOU GOT BROKEN WINDOW.

IT'S DIRTY.

THE WINDOWS ARE DIRTY.

THEY CLOSED THE PARTY.

WHO PUTS A BAR NEXT TO A CHURCH? WELL, I THINK WE'VE OPENED AND CLOSED.

KIND OF WHAT THE ISSUE IS.

YOU CAN COMPLAIN ALL YOU WANT, BUT IF YOU WANT TO COME HERE WITH SOLUTIONS OTHER THAN NO, I OPEN TO SELECTIONS FIVE.

YOU GOTTA, WELL YOU'RE SITTING NEXT TO ONE.

I KNOW FIVE PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T DO IT.

I HAVEN'T REACHED A CONCLUSION.

YOU'RE SITTING NEXT TO A COMMERCIAL REALTOR.

I KNOW FIVE PEOPLE THAT CAN DO IT.

AND I BETCHA CUZ I, SHE'S A HUSTLER.

IF THERE WERE SOMEBODY LOOKING FOR PROPERTY LIKE THAT, SHE WOULD'VE GONE TO THE OWNER BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AFRAID TO TALK TO MONEY TO PAY THE FIRE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S WHAT I'LL ASK.

SO, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU YOUR BEING CAUGHT ON THE RECORDING, THAT'S GOOD.

SO YOU'RE MISSING HIM FROM THE MINUTE, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, YOU KNOW, YOU ASK IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY NEW QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED OTHER THAN WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED.

AND I'M OPEN, I'M FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I, YOU KNOW, WELCOME TO LISTEN TO THEIR OPINIONS.

CAUSE

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I JUST, I'M, I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT EXPANDS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A BUSINESS TO SUCCEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.

READ THIS TO YOU.

THESE ARE PROPERTY ON DOWN THE STREET.

3 0 1 PLANTATION'S, MOUTH BUILDING.

DO YOU WANT POINT OWNERS? DO YOU WANT TO POINT TO WHERE THOSE ARE? NO, I'M FED FAN.

I'M SO DAMN NERVOUS.

BUT THESE ARE ONLY, THERE'S A LASER.

WE HAVE A LASER THAT YOU CAN POINT AT THESE NUMBERS.

I'M JUST TELL THE ADDRESS THESE NUMBERS DON'T DO ANYTHING TO ME.

I HAVE TO SEE 'EM ON A MAP.

OKAY, WELL I'LL DO WELL IT'S, SEE THE ADDRESSES.

WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS, SIR? ON 3 0 1 PLANTATION.

IT'S A FIREFLY.

LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING.

LET ME SHOW YOU SOMETHING.

I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO GET INFORMATION WHILE PEOPLE LIKE ME.

I'VE GOTTA LEARN.

THIS IS, THIS IS 3 0 1 PLANTATION.

NOBODY WANTED.

OH, THAT'S THE CLYDE THAT WAS, THAT WAS A 3 0 1 GOODYEAR TIRE.

YES, FIREFLY.

NOW.

NOBODY WANTED THIS THING.

IT HAD ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS. I PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT.

I CLEANED UP ENVIRONMENTAL, GOT RID ALL THIS VEST.

THIS IS 1 27 CIRCLE.

NOBODY WANTED IT.

THE BATHROOM.

BUT HANDICAPPED WAS BAD.

IT HAD A ROOF LEAK, A REPAIR.

A ROOF FOR SEVEN YEARS.

THIS IS A CLYDE COOL STRIP CENTER.

IT WAS TERRIBLE.

IT HAD 120 BUCKETS OF TAR ON IT.

YOU KNOW, CLYDE CON, ANYBODY REMEMBER CLYDE WELL? YEAH.

WELL YOU KNOW HOW GP WAS.

, YOU KNOW, HE'S GONE.

YOU'RE MAKING FRIENDS WHEREVER YOU GO.

TELL YOU I'VE TURNED IT AROUND.

I'LL UPGRADE IT.

SEE AND FLIP WAS CROWD OKAY? I GOT YES, SIR.

AND BY THE WAY, MY WIFE AND I HAVE BROUGHT OVER 16 NEW PEOPLE FROM HOUSTON DOWN HERE.

THE RING.

AWESOME.

HAS ANYBODY DONE THAT? I DON'T KNOW.

ANY WELDER HAS DONE THAT.

HAVE YOU? SO IF YOU GOT A REALTOR THAT'S SMART, YOU COULD DO THIS.

BUT HE DOESN'T WANT DO IT.

HE, HE DOESN'T WANT TO PAY TAXES.

HE JUST WANTS TO COLLECT THE MONEY AND LAUGH AT YOU.

OH, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY TAXES.

HE'S PAYING TAXES.

HE'S PAYING, HE DO.

HE'S PAYING PROPERTY TAXES.

OH, NO.

TO THE COUNTY AT, WE WANT RETAIL.

NO, TO THE CITY TOO.

BUT WE WANT RETAIL.

THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY'S AT.

RETAIL IS WHERE THE MONEY'S AT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO LOOK, I EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU.

RETAIL IS WHERE THE MONEY IS FOR THE CITY, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE SKIN IN THE GAME ARE THE ONES THEY'RE PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE INVESTMENT.

THIS CAN BE A MAJOR INVESTMENT TO CHANGE THIS TO A STORAGE UNIT.

AND THE PROPERTY VALUE WILL GO UP IN THE PROPERTY TAX TAKE APART.

AND LET'S GO IN, I THINK I'D PROBABLY SIGN YOUR PETITION TOO, JUST TO LIKE, MOVING ON , BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE.

LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR THOUGHT IS MM-HMM.

AND GIVE US SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS.

WE'RE HERE TO LEARN AND LISTEN AND THEN MAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING.

YOUR NAME.

I'M, MY NAME IS EDNA LUCIO.

I'M ON 3 0 9 PLANTATION.

RIGHT ACROSS.

LET ME SEE WHERE I'M AT.

I THINK THIS IS IT.

I HAVE A , THE OLD, THE SHOP RESERVE.

SO I, I SERVE, UM, WHICH IS NOW PAYING TAXES CUZ IT'S NO LONGER A GOVERNMENT BUILDING.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

SO WE HAVE A REHAB FACILITY OKAY.

FOR CHILDREN, ADULTS, UHHUH, , PEOPLE WITH, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE SERVE.

SO OF COURSE HAVING A RETAIL PLACE WOULD BE GREAT.

YOU KNOW, CUZ THEN THAT'S PLACE WHERE THEY COULD EAT OR THEY COULD DO, AND THAT'S WHAT, AND SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT HE NEEDS SOME HELP AS WELL TO KEEP THAT PLACE GOING.

SO I I I GET IT.

WE, ALL OF RETAIL IS JUST, IT'S BEEN VACANT.

RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND, UM, TBS BEEN WHERE THEY ARE AT LEAST EIGHT YEARS.

EIGHT YEARS.

, AND IT'S BEEN VACANT.

EIGHT YEARS MM-HMM.

AND VACANT PROPERTY DOESN'T GET MORE VALUABLE.

IT LOSES VALUABLE VALUE FOR TAX PURPOSES.

HAVE AIR CONDITIONED STORAGE.

AND IN EIGHT YEARS, OUR RETAIL HAS GROWN IN THE AREA.

PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BUILDING IT.

THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH EITHER THAT LOCATION OR THAT FACILITY THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT AMENABLE FOR A BUSINESS PERSON TO GO IN AND CREATE RETAIL SPACE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

I'VE, I KNOW THE BUILDING HAVEN'T BEEN IN IT.

WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE USABLE AND IT'S NOT USABLE.

IT IS PROVIDING SOMETHING TO OUR COMMUNITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY DOESN'T CURRENTLY

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AND SO THAT'S, THEY CAME TO US WITH OUR THOUGHTS, WHAT OUR THOUGHTS ARE.

SO WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING IN.

I WOULD LOVE RETAIL THERE.

AND I, WHERE YOU ARE IS GREAT LOCATION.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALONG PLANTATION.

THERE USED TO BE A LOT MORE RETAIL THAN THERE IS NOW.

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT BUILDING ALONE.

RETAIL HAS MOVED TO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY.

SO AS A SEA, JUAN, WHAT OTHER BUS OTHER THINGS CAN HE PUT IN THERE OTHER THAN, UH, THE STORAGE? WHAT ELSE GOES THERE? CAN, CAN THOSE TYPE OF OH, THANK YOU.

HERE'S ITEM IS A RESTAURANT.

SO HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER NEWSPAPERS, WHICH IS RETAIL, HOTEL, MOTEL, THEATERS, BANKS, WAREHOUSES, WHOLESALE BUSINESS, VETERINARY CLINICS, LAUNDROMATS, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, RECREATIONAL BUSINESSES, AND TATTOO STUDIOS.

PLUS ALL THE B ONE UP AT THE TOP.

SAY ALL THAT ON THE LEFT, ALL TO THE LEFT CAN REMAIN IN THERE.

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO CLOSE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT BUILDING.

WE ARE HERE TO CONSIDER HOW TO EXPAND THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT BUILDING.

UNDERSTAND.

BUT HOW DO YOU ENVISION WHAT GOES ON THERE AFFECTING YOUR BUSINESS? WELL, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WHAT BUSINESSES THAT ARE AROUND ME, UH, IF THEY START TO CLOSE, BECAUSE I MEAN, I CAN GET A REFERRAL FROM A PHYSICIAN, THEY COME FROM ALL OVER.

BUT WHAT IF, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE DOWN THE STREET, THE TIRE PEOPLE, THE MECHANIC SHOP, THE I HAVE DARE BAR THAT'S RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, 70 YEARS IN A BUSINESS.

I WANT THEM THERE.

THEY PROVIDE GREAT STUFF FOR MY PATIENCE TO GO THERE.

NO, JUST EVEN.

BUT WHAT'S THERE? I KNOW KROGER'S NOT THERE ANYMORE, BUT THEY'RE TRYING, WALGREENS IS STILL THERE AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT THE STORY, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TOO AS RETAIL.

, YOU KNOW, AND I, I GUESS IT'S JUST A CHANCE TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS GOING ON? HOW CAN WE HELP? YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE THERE WERE CHOICES, YOU KNOW, WHY THE BAR WENT OR WHY THE CHURCH? I HAVE NO IDEA.

I'M YOU GOING INTO THE, THE, THE, THAT OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE JUDGE IS.

I JUST WANNA HAVE A CHANCE WHERE PATIENTS CAN NOT HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THEY CAN STILL SERVICE LAKE JACKSON, YOU KNOW, HAVE PLACES TO EAT AND EVERYBODY'S BEEN AFFECTED BECAUSE OF THE BUSINESSES AND STUFF THAT'S HAPPENED WITH COVID.

YOU KNOW? SO IT'S CHANGED.

YES, IT IS CHANGED.

BUT I WANT THE CURRENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT STRIP TO HAVE A CHANCE AS WELL.

YOU KNOW? AND SO SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST PUT STUFF IN STORAGE AND IT'S AC IT'S GREAT.

I MEAN, YEAH, YOU GO IN THERE, BUT THEN IT'S OVER.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

GOING TO SEE ONE COMMERCIAL OPENS IT UP FOR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO ADD ANOTHER BUILDING POTENTIALLY IN THE PARKING LOT TO BRING ANOTHER RESTAURANT OR TO BRING ANOTHER INDEPENDENT STANDING MM-HMM.

THAT COULD TRUMP WHATEVER MIGHT GO INTO THAT LOCATION.

OUTSIDE STORAGE, IF YOU WANNA DO THAT.

AND I GUESS JUST A SECOND.

I, I THINK, I THINK YOU HAVE TO WAIT OR TURN YOUNG MAN.

IT, IT'S, IT'S OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND WHY HE'S SO PANICKED.

BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST KNOWING SOME OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE TRYING, THEY'RE TRYING HARD.

AND, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUT STAY, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO GET TO THE OWNER, TRYING TO, IT'S, IT, IT'S, SO THEY'RE TRYING TO WORK MM-HMM.

WITH THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, SO GETTING THE RESPONSE TIME, GETTING THINGS CHANGED, GETTING THINGS UPGRADED HAS BEEN A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT.

SO I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, UM, HEMORRHAGING MONEY FOR HALF OF IT BEING EMPTY.

SO.

UNDERSTOOD.

NO, I, I, I GET IT.

YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A BUSINESS DEGREE AS WELL AS A REHAB, SO I GET IT.

I GET IT.

AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, HOW CAN, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER, WHAT'S THE CAMPAIGN? WE CAN, SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S THE THING FOR EIGHT YEARS, OFFICES HAVE NOT MOVED IN THERE.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE, AN ISSUE IS RAISED ABOUT WHEN OLAND MOVED INTO THE OLD SAFEWAY MM-HMM.

, WELL, THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE THAT BUILDING.

, THEY CHOSE ANOTHER ONE.

YOUR MEDICAL, YOU DIDN'T MOVE IN THERE.

IT'D PROBABLY BE TUESDAY.

WELL, THE MEDICAL, I DIDN'T RIGHT.

I WAS IN ANOTHER LOCATION.

BUT I, I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S, I WANNA BRING KEY, ALL THESE HAVE BEEN OP OPTIONS ON THE LEFT, NONE OF WHOM HAVE CHOSEN IT.

UNDERSTOOD.

AND IF YOU MOVE, THE ONLY THING'S KEEP BEING CONSIDERED.

IS NOT TO FORECLOSE.

THOSE AS POSSIBILITIES.

IT'S TO OPEN IT UP AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE MY COLLEAGUES SAID, A HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER.

, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, BUT THERE ARE OTHER COMPANIES THAT COULD THEN UNDER THIS CHANGE IN ZONING.

WE ARE NOT HERE TO APPROVE A AIR CONDITIONED STORAGE UNIT.

UNDERSTOOD.

WE'RE HERE TO CONSIDER REZONING MM-HMM.

AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO OPEN UP POSSIBILITIES THAT CAN MAKE DEAD SPACE AND USABLE SPACE.

TECHNICALLY, THE OWNER, IF YOU WANTED TO, COULD HAVE COME TO US AND JUST SAID, HEY, I WANT TO REZONE AND NEVER TOLD US ANYTHING ABOUT WHY.

HIS, HIS, HIS APPEAL TO US.

THAT'S WHAT WE, WE, WE CAN'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING THERE.

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WE CAN ONLY WORRY ABOUT WHAT HE'S REQUESTING FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND IF HE WANTED TO, HE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE AT THIS POINT, HEY, I'M TRYING TO REZONE TO THIS TO OPEN UP MORE DOORS TO KEEP OPEN AND TO KEEP PEOPLE COMING HERE.

KEEP CARS COMING HERE.

KEEP FOOT TRAFFIC AS YOU GUYS.

SO I, SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, SO IF HE HADN'T SAID ANYTHING AND SAID, HERE REZONE, YOU COULD JUST REZONE MM-HMM.

WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING? NO, NO, NO, NO.

WITH A PUBLIC HEARING WITH THERE, THERE, THERE'S NO NEED TO STATE WHAT HE WAS, WHAT THE IDEA WAS GONNA BE BEHIND IT.

GOT IT.

AND HE COULD HAVE EASILY USED A STATEMENT OF, I'M TRYING TO KEEP BUSINESS TO WANT TO COME HERE SINCE NONE OF THESE PEOPLE ON THE LEFT COLUMN HAVE COME.

I NEED TO APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT COLUMN NOW.

AND WE WOULD'VE BEEN LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE A PUBLIC HEARING ANY, ANYTHING FOR RE ZONING.

ALWAYS HAS A PUBLIC HEARING, ALWAYS HAS A LITTLE QR CODE OUT FRONT, PUBLIC NOTIFICATION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

BUT UNDERSTOOD.

AND IN ADDITION, IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT SALES TAXES, IT'S TRUTH, THE TRUTH OF THE EXISTING ZONING UNDER THE THINGS, THERE'S AT LEAST SIX BUSINESSES THERE THAT DO NOT COLLECT SALES TAX.

RIGHT, RIGHT.

NO, I GET YOU.

I HEAR WHAT SAYING.

I MEAN, THE KIDS PLANET IS A SERVICE.

THEY DON'T COLLECT SALES TAX AND EXCEPT ON THE FOOD THAT THEY MIGHT SELL.

I MEAN, UNDERSTOOD.

SO THE, AGAIN, WE, WE NO, IT'S GOOD TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING.

WE HAVE NO PERTAINING TO THE, UNFORTUNATELY.

ONE MORE QUESTIONS AND I'LL LEAVE YOU ALONE.

THERE'S ALL THE STUFF.

WOULD YOU STAY AT THE MIC? WOULD YOU COME TO, WOULD YOU COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE? WHY IS THAT GUY DOING THIS? WHAT? HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANY OF THESE PEOPLE AND TRIED TO RENT YOUR SPACE? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? TELL ME.

IT'S NOT, HE'S DONE OUT THE BUILDING.

HE'S AN EMPLOYEE.

WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING? I CAN'T SEE THEM DOING ANYTHING AND WON'T TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT SIGN.

YOU DRIVE A TECH CAR THOUGH.

IT'S QUITE INTERESTING THAT YOU YEAH, BUT I DON'T WORK ON IT NO MORE.

LET ME TELL YOU NO MORE.

SO THE GUY THAT OWNS THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET, HE SAID, WHAT'S THAT SIGN MEAN? I SAID, YOU GOTTA DRIVE BY IT.

SIGN 20 MILES AN HOUR TO CLICK THAT THING.

OR YOU GOTTA GET YOUR CAR, WALK IN THE PARKING LOT AND TAKE A PICTURE.

THEN I GOTTA TAKE IT TO MY GRANDDAUGHTER.

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? YOU KNOW? SO THOSE SIGNS ARE STUPID.

OKAY, LET'S HAVE A REAL SIGN.

YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER USED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT SAYS THAT.

HOW ABOUT THAT? COULD WE DO THAT FOR ONCE? I'M TELLING ALL THIS TEXT STUFF.

HELL, WE DID.

WE DID THAT.

NO ONE EVER CAME HERE.

SO WHEN WE PUT THE QR CODE, MORE PEOPLE SHOW.

NO, I GOT THE LETTER IN THE MAIL FOR 200 FEET AROUND THERE.

AND I GOT EVERYBODY HERE, BUT ONE, I GOT OVER EIGHT PEOPLE THAT OWN PROPERTY PLANTATION COMPLAINING.

AND YOU'RE NOT LISTENING.

WE ALL YOU'RE NOT LISTENING.

NO, YOU'RE NOT.

YOU READY? IT'S, IT'S A SHAME YOU FEEL THAT WAY IN THAT YOU NEED CHOOSING TO, IT ACTS THAT WAY.

COMMUNITY EYE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I LOVE, LIKE YOU CHOSE JACKSON.

LEAVE THE CITY.

I'LL, NO, WAIT A MINUTE.

I'LL LET HERE.

CUZ MY SON'S A SINGLE DAD AND I'M RAISING THREE KIDS.

AND IF YOU WANT TREY, PLACE IT WITH ME.

I'LL BE GLAD TO.

ALRIGHT, LET'S GET BACK ON TOP HERE.

GO.

I WAS THE LAKE JACKSON FIRE.

EIGHT YEARS SENIOR CITIZENS COMMISSION FOR FOUR YEARS.

AND YOU DON'T TELL ME I DON'T LOVE THIS CITY.

WELL, YOU KNEW WHERE YOU COULD STICK IT.

IS STRICTLY ABOUT THE ZONING, THAT'S ALL FOR ME.

, THANKS.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I, I DO UNDER, I DO UNDERSTAND, UM, OWNING PROPERTY THAT'S VACANT FOR YEARS.

UM, IT'S BEEN VACANT BASICALLY THE ENTIRE TIME SINCE AGB LEFT.

AND, UH, THE BATTING CAGES WAS A GREAT IDEA.

MORE TRAFFIC.

UM, OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WITH A DISCRETIONARY INCOME WHO COULD, UH, COME TO THAT AREA AND SEE YOUR BUSINESSES AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

HOWEVER, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH JEFF THAT NOTHING HAS THUS FAR COME AT THIS TIME AS IT REMAINS AT B ONE.

AND NOW WE OPEN IT UP TO TWO THINGS.

UM, TWO ENTIRE COLUMNS OF ABILITY TO PUT IN THERE.

AND MANY OF THE THINGS IN C1, LET'S SAY THE STORAGE DOES WORK OUT.

IT IS THE ONLY COMPLETELY AIR CONDITIONED STORAGE FACILITY IN LAKE JACKSON.

OTHER PLACES HAVE SELECT AREAS THAT ARE AIR CONDITIONED.

SO I LOOK AT THAT.

UH, THE SECOND THING I LOOK AT IS, IS FROM, UH, OF COURSE, UH, A TAX SITUATION TO WHERE THE I, AS I UNDERSTAND THE OWNER, UH, LIVES IN SAN FRANCISCO.

IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM.

, THAT IS CORRECT.

UH, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE OWN LAND HERE AND DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE.

UH, WHATEVER EFFORT HE HAS TAKEN TO DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION ABOUT, I MEAN, IT'S OBVIOUSLY BEEN OPEN, UH, AND NOT INHABITED FOR THESE EIGHT YEARS.

AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK THAT AS YOU LOOK AT IT, AND OUR POSITION

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MATTHEW, I'M GOOD TO GO.

LOOK.

SHERRY, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO OFFER? I WAS JUST HERE TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING IN THE C1.

NOT JUST THAT, BUT Y'ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT FOR ME.

SO GOOD JOB.

A PLUS FROM THE OUR PMO A PLUS, NOT OUR FIRST RODEO.

BUT THANK YOU FOR JOINING.

AND I JUST WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME IN AND WE'VE REZONED AND THE BUSINESS THEY PLAN TO PUT IN TANKED.

AND, UM, SO IT'S, THE SELF STORAGE IS NOT A GUARANTEE.

AND WHICH IS WHY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT ALL THE USES BECAUSE IN THAT CASE, A USE WENT IN THAT THE NEIGHBORS DIDN'T LIKE.

WELL, THAT THE COMMISSION DIDN'T LIE.

WHAT? OH, YEAH.

I DIDN'T NOBODY LIKED THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT NICE HOTEL BEHIND MM-HMM.

UH, WE HAVE A AUTO BODY SHOP ON LAKE ROAD, .

BUT ANYWAY, A PLUS.

ALRIGHT, ANY MORE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M A MOTION THAT, UH, WE, UH, RECOMMEND THE REZONING OF THE BRA SUPPORT VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER AT FOUR 10, THE PLANTATION DRIVE FROM A A B ONE TO C ONE, UH, FOR A STORAGE BUSINESS UNIT USE.

UH, LET ME, LET'S TAKE, LET'S LEAVE OUT.

I WOULD SAY I JUST, FOR THE Z ZONE, FOR THE ZONING.

STOP IT AT C1.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MR. SHARPE, APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND I, I, I VALUE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

TELL EVERYBODY WHAT Y'ALL DID.

MAKE A LIVING.

IT'S EVERYBODY UPSETS ME.

GIVE, YOU'RE GIVING IT AWAY AND HE LEFTED YOU ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT.

THANK

[5. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION OF PLAT OF THE SHIVAM SUBDIVISION, A 5.511 ACRE LOT AND PART OF A RESIDUAL OF A CALLED 4167.6 ACRE TRACT IN THE S.F. AUSTIN 5 LEAGUE GRANT ABSTRACT 19 LOCATED AT 230 W SH 332 ,THE INTERSECTION OF SH 332 AND FM 2004 FILED ON MARCH 7, 2023 ]

YOU.

B D D BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, MEET THEIR QUORUM, WASN'T ABLE TO TAKE PLACE TODAY.

NEXT ITEM.

FINAL REVIEW IN ACTION OF PLA TO THE SH THEM SUBDIVISION.

A 5.1, ONE 5.511 ACRE LOT IN PART OF RESIDENTIAL RESIDUAL OF IT CALLED 4167.6 ACRE TRACK IN THE SEVENTH, THE STEPHEN OF AUSTIN FIVE LEAGUE GRANT ABSTRACT 19, LOCATED AT TWO 30 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 3 32, INTERSECTION OF STATE HIGHWAY 3 32 AND BARN DE MARKET.

2004 FILED ON MARCH THE SEVENTH, 2023.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE, UM, IS THIS OKAY? UH, THE, UH, SURVEYOR IN CHARGE OF THIS PARTICULAR PLANT WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT.

SO I TOLD HIM THAT I WOULD, UH, I WOULD DO IT FOR HIM.

UH, IT IS A SIMPLE REPLANT OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, IT IS.

I I GAVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT IT IS THAT THEY WERE INTENDING TO DO.

IT HAS NOT BEEN FIRM THAT THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY ARE THE ONES THAT OWN THE PROPERTY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM, FROM THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE GAS STATION WHO USED TO BE THE CAR WASH AT THE ONE TIME.

ALSO.

UH, THOSE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT ARE WANTING TO PURCHASE THIS PROPERTY AND ARE PLANNING FOR THAT PURPOSE RIGHT NOW.

ORIGINALLY IT HAD BEEN, IT CAME IN HERE OR BA BEFORE THIS THING.

THE PREVIOUS OWNER WANTED TO DEVELOP THAT INTO THREE PROPERTIES WITH THREE COMMERCIAL, UH, IDEAS IN MIND.

AND THEN THEY REALIZED THAT THE PROPERTY REALLY DIDN'T LEND ITSELF TO THAT TYPE OF, OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATION EXITS AND YES EXITS AND THE CONFIGURATION OF THE LOG, WHICH IS A LITTLE TRIANGULAR TYPE OF CONDITION.

UH, EVERYTHING I, IT MEETS THE, AS FAR AS THE PLANNING CONDITION, UH, THE PLANNING REQUIREMENTS THAT WE DO HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCES.

SO AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, THERE ARE NO OTHER ISSUES.

EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COMPLIED WITH.

UH, IT WILL, WE ARE ASKING YOU THAT YOU, UH, IF YOU DECIDE TO, UH, TO APPROVE THIS PARTICULAR PLANT, UH, THAT YOU SIGN OFF ON THAT ONE, IT WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE

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THEY ALSO HAVE A MEETING PRIOR IN, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUS TO OUR MEETING.

UH, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK ALL THE WAY TO THE NEXT, UH, NEXT MONTH IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY HAVE THEIR OFFICIAL SIGNATURES.

SO WE ARE ASKING YOU THAT TO APPROVE THIS THING AND THAT YOU CAN SIGN OFF ON THAT ONE, OR YOU CAN ALWAYS REFUSE TO SIGN AND HAVE IT COME BACK TO YOU FOR SUCH.

JEFF? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE.

MATTHEW, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINAL REVIEW IN ACTION OF PLA THE SIAM SUBDIVISION, A 5.511 ACRE LOT, AND PART OF A RESIDUAL OF A CALLED 4167.6 ACRE TRACK IN THE STEPHEN F AUSTINS FIVE LEE GRANT ABSTRACT 19.

LOCATED AT TWO 30 WEST HIGHWAY 3 32, THE INTERSECTION OF 3 32 AND FM 2004 FILED ON MARCH 7TH, 2023.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? NO.

ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

[6. PRELIMINARY AND FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION OF REPLAT OF RESERVE “B” IN THE JACKSON SQUARE SUBDIVISION, SECTION 4, TRACT 10 REMAINDER, AKA SHIPLEY DONUTS TRACT AT 210 W SH 332 FILED ON MARCH 7, 2023 ]

ITEM.

PRELIMINARY FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION OF REPLAT OR RESERVE.

B AND THE JACKSON SQUARE SUBDIVISION.

SECTION FOUR TRACK TWO 10 REMAINDER, ALSO KNOWN AS SHIPLEY DONUTS.

TRACKED AT TWO 10 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 3 32 FILED ON MARCH THE SEVENTH, 2023.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PLAT AGAIN, UH, IS FROM THE SAME SURVEYOR THAT IT WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT TODAY.

SO THEREFORE, I'M, I'M TAKING, UH, OWNERSHIP OF THAT ONE RIGHT NOW.

UH, THE PLANT ITSELF, UH, WE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN AS A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL, UH, AT ONCE.

AND PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF SIMPLICITY OF THIS PARTICULAR TRACK, UH, BAY.

THE ORIGINAL TRACK WAS ONE WHERE THE SHIPLEY DONUTS IS SHIPLEY.

UH, SHIPLEY, UH, DONUTS OWNS THE FULL TRACK.

THEY ARE PLANNING, I IMAGINE THEY'RE PLANNING ON PROBABLY SELLING THIS PARTICULAR, UH, LO OFF FOR THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PORTION OF THE, OF THE, UH, TRACK SO THAT THEY COULD SELL IT SHIP, UH, FOR UNKNOWN AND UNKNOWN PARTY.

RIGHT NOW, AS FAR AS, AS WE KNOW, THIS IS A TARGET.

UH, THIS, THIS IS A ORIGINAL TARGET PROPERTY TRACK, AND IT CARRIES ALL THE CONDITIONS THAT, UH, THAT THE TARGET, UH, UH, PROPERTIES HAVE AS FAR AS THE IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAPPENS THERE.

LIKE I SAID, IT IS A SIMPLE ONE.

AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN, UH, HAS BEEN, UH, DONE ACCORDING TO OUR ORDINANCES, AGAIN, AS FAR AS THE FORMAT AND THE PLANNING CONDITION REQUIREMENTS.

SO, UH, AGAIN, WE ARE ASKING YOU THAT YOU DO THE SAME THING HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THIS PLANT, UH, IT'LL, IT'LL GO BACK.

IT'LL COME BACK AGAIN, OR IT'LL GO INTO THE V D D NEXT MONTH.

SO BEFORE IT BE COMPLETED, YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE.

I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT IS.

HUH? DON'T, DON'T BUY DONUTS BEHIND SHIPLEY.

MIX THE OLD HASTINGS.

YOU DON'T BUY DONUTS.

IT'S, IT'S THE GREEN SPACE NEXT TO THE OLD HASTINGS.

BY THE OLD HASTINGS WHERE IT'S NOW PLANET FITNESS.

I'M WITH DON DAVIS IS FOR THE LAST PLANT FITNESS, RIGHT? YEAH.

COMP TRON WAS VERY CLOSE THERE FOR YOU.

COMP TRON WAS IN THE OLD, UH, WORKPLACE THERE IN THE NEW WORK WORKPLACE FORCE OR WORKFORCE PLACE.

THAT'S JUST PIER.

PIER.

EXPLAIN FIELD DEPUTY FOR DOING IT.

WHAT WAS THAT PIER? WHAT PIER? ONE PIER.

IT'S PIER ONE FIRST AND THEN IT CAME TRON.

THEN FED RUTGERS.

HOW WILL THEY ACCESS THAT? ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN THERE? JUST CURIOSITY FROM THE PARKING LOT SIDE OR IT'LL BE, UH, YES.

EVERYTHING IS, UH, HAS A, UH, FROM THE CROSS-SHARING, UH, YES.

SITUATION WHEN THEY REDO THAT HIGHWAY, UH, AND PUT THE MEDIAN IN THERE, IT'LL BE EXCITING.

I HAVEN'T HAD, YEAH, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 2 20, 21.

NOW IT'S 2023.

AND PROBABLY IT'S NOT EVEN, I DON'T KNOW MR. MUNO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER IT'S COMING IN, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LIMITED INTEREST IN .

WE ALL HAVE A LIMITED, I I CAN PROBABLY SEE IT IN FIVE YEARS, BUT , IT'S A STRETCH AFTER THAT.

MAYBE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

REVIEW AND ACTION OF REPLAT OF RESERVE B IN THE JACKSON SQUARE SUBDIVISION SECTION FOUR TRACK 10 REMAINDER, ALSO KNOWN AS SHIPLEY DONUTS.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'M FINE.

THANK YOU, MATTHEW.

NO, I'M GOOD.

ALRIGHT.

COULD YOU TRY TO SEPARATE IT TO BE ABLE TO SETTLE? DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? I MOVED APPROVE FOR PRELIMINARY AND FINAL

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TRACKED AT TWO 10 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 3 32, FILED ON MARCH 7TH, 2023.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? ONE SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

[7. PRESENTATION FOR FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSED SITE DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER, LOTS L AND M, RESERVE B AT CENTER WAY BEHIND HEB]

ITEM.

PRESENTATION FOR FEEDBACK ON A PROPOSED SITE DEVELOPMENT IN LAKE JACKSON, TOWN CENTER.

LOTS, L AND M RESERVE B AT CENTER, WAY BEHIND H E B.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS BRENT BOLES.

I'M WITH I HERE IN LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.

AND, UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME.

I APPRECIATE ALL THE TIME THAT YOU FOLKS GIVE TO THIS COMMISSION, YOU HERE AT THE CITY AND, UH, AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I'M HERE REPRESENTING, UH, A LOCAL COUPLE AND, UH, CONSIDERING, UH, SOME DEVELOPMENT IN DOWNTOWN LAKE JACKSON'S AN EXCITING OPPORTUNITY.

YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

UM, H E B IS UP HERE TO THE PAGE, NORTH AZALEA STREET OAK DRIVE.

WAY OVER HERE TO THE LEFT.

I BELIEVE MR. PATEL FINALLY BROKE GROUND.

EDDIE, DON'T LET ME PUT YOUR EYE OUT WITH THIS AND THIS HOTEL RIGHT HERE.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, UH, GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I KNOW YOU FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH, WITH T D E C U, AGAIN, OFF TO THE PAGE WEST AND EVERYTHING.

SO, UM, AGAIN, I'LL INTRODUCE, UH, THE CAROLS HERE SHORTLY.

UM, JESSE AND STEPHANIE, SOME LOCAL PEOPLE, PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE, VERY EDUCATED AND EXPERIENCED IN THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION.

AND SO THEY APPROACHED ME, UH, A FEW WEEKS AGO AND SAYS, HEY, WE, WE'VE GOT AN IDEA WE'D LIKE TO DEVELOP HERE IN OUR HOMETOWN.

AND SO, UH, THEY APPROACHED ME WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY AND SAID, HEY, WE OBVIOUSLY WANNA MAXIMIZE THE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEMSELVES, CREATE SOME, UH, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS FOR THE CITY AS WELL.

THAT THAT PARALLEL WITH THE CITY'S LONG TERM MASTER PLAN FOR GROWTH IN URBAN DEVELOPMENT.

AND MY APOLOGIES, I GOT WAY INTO THE WEEDS HERE AND YOU CAN GO BLIND LOOKING AT ALL OF MY PARKING COMPARISONS, EVERYTHING.

AND I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY BACK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT.

I HAVE TWO ASKS TONIGHT.

THE ONE IS, IS PRETTY SIMPLE.

I CAME IN, I VISITED MR. GARY, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS BACK SEEKING SOME INFORMATION CLARIFICATION ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SAL, AS YOU KNOW, IS A WONDERFUL RESOURCE.

MARLENE MAKES HIM LOOK REALLY, REALLY GOOD, UH, AS WELL.

AND THEY PROVIDED ME WITH SOME INFORMATION THAT I JUST AM SEEKING SOME CLARIFICATION TONIGHT.

AND THAT'S SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE PARKING ORDINANCE, UH, SECTION ONE TEN ONE SIXTY TWO FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THAT RETAIL PARKING, UH, REQUIRES ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 5,000 SQUARE FEET.

AND OFFICE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IS ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 3000 SQUARE FEET.

THAT, DID I GET THAT BACKWARDS? YES, I GET THAT BACKWARDS.

IT'S FIVE FOR A THOUSAND FEET ON THE FIVE.

I HAVE IT, I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN CORRECTLY.

I'M JUST NOT SPEAKING CORRECTLY.

SO FORGIVE THE AGGIE IN ME ANYWAYS, SO WE'LL TALK SLOW THEN.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT PICTURES , CARRIE.

SO WHAT WE'RE SEEKING IS SOME CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I DON'T WANNA OVERSTATE THIS SAL, BUT WHEN WE FIRST HAD THAT DISCUSSION, YOU MENTIONED, HEY, BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE MAYBE THERE'S BEEN SOME PAST EXAMPLES WHERE THE MOST RESTRICTIVE PARKING REQUIREMENT PREVAILED IN KIND OF WHITEWASHED AN ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT.

IN THIS CASE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IF THIS IS TRULY A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IN THE, THE CONCEPT RIGHT NOW, AND THIS IS REALLY PRELIMINARY RIGHT NOW, THE CONCEPT IS RETAIL ON THE FIRST FLOOR, UH, AND THEN BUSINESS OCCUPANCY PROFESSIONAL OFFICES ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

AND, AND THE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION IS QUITE HONESTLY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA WHITEWASH THAT ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE AT ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY 3000 SQUARE FEET.

AND SO THEREFORE, UM, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THE DEVELOPERS CAN'T DEVELOP AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY COULD IF IT WAS INTERPRETED CORRECTLY.

OFFICE AT ONE TO 3000, RETAIL AT ONE TO 5,000, UNDER 1000, EXCUSE ME.

BIG, BIG, YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU'RE FIVE TO 1000 VERSUS FIVE VERSUS THREE TO 1000.

EXCUSE ME.

SO THAT'S MY FIRST ASK TONIGHT.

IT'S CLARIFICATION IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE SEEKING THIS TRULY MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

AND, AND SAL BRINGS UP A A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW, FROM A POLICING STANDPOINT, HOW'S THAT POLICED? UH, DAVID WALTON DOES A GREAT JOB AS WELL, UH, IN POLICING THAT WHEN HE HAS TO CHECK THE BOXES GIVEN HIS BUILDING PERMITS, I'M JUST ASKING, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN ALLOW A GREATER USE OF DEVELOPMENT WITH THIS MIXED USE RATHER THAN WHITE WASHING ALL THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AS THE MOST RESTRICTIVE? SO THAT'S, THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE.

AND

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WE CAN TACKLE THAT NOW OR, OR NOT.

NOW THIS ISN'T GONNA BE, UH, THE DOWNTOWN ORDINANCES.

DO THEY EXCEED, UH, GO ACROSS? UH, THEY'RE STILL ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE'D PROGRESSED.

THAT'S ALL UNDER THE HEB, ISN'T IT? THE HEB HUB? YEAH, THIS, REMEMBER THIS IS A PUG.

OH, THIS IS A PUG.

YEAH, PUG.

PUG.

THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS RESERVED, STILL ARE UNDER, AND IT'S A P B B2.

SO IT'S A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CONDITIONS.

OKAY? AND THIS PARTICULAR AREA, THE RESERVE, WHAT'S LEFT AS A B TWO TO BE USED AS A B TWO, EXCEPT THAT IN YOUR PUTT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, UH, RESERVED SOME OF THOSE OF THAT RESERVE B ESPECIALLY, UH, WITH CONDITIONS.

AND THAT WAS AT, UH, WHICH THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WOULD MEET WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM.

UH, TO, UH, IT SAYS, UH, LET ME SEE WHERE, WHERE WE DID LOSE THIS THING.

UH, THE PUT ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT IN THIS B2, THAT TWO OF THESE USES BE, I MEAN, HAVE TO BE, UH, IN THERE AND ONE WAS IN OFFICE, UH, TWO OF THE THREE OFFICE RESIDENTIAL AND RETAIL.

SO CLOSING MEETS THAT FULLY INTENT OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, P U D.

AND YOU'RE NOT INTERPRETING THAT THAT'S THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS.

YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT HAVING TO PROVIDE TOO MANY OR CORRECT.

LET, LET'S, LET'S CREATE A SCENARIO HERE.

IF, IF IT'S MIXED USE, AND AGAIN, THE, THE MARKET'S GONNA PREVAIL, RIGHT? THE MARKET IS GONNA TELL US WHAT'S GONNA GO IN THAT BUSINESS.

MUCH LIKE THE MARKET'S DICTATING THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT.

AND SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A DEVELOPMENT AND, AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO, UH, ENTERTAIN BUSINESS OCCUPANCIES.

IF RETAIL WANTS TO BE ON THIS SITE AND RETAIL IS PAYING RETAIL RATES, RETAIL'S GONNA TAKE UP THE FIRST FLOOR.

THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS IF RETAIL ENVIRONMENT DOMINATES AND RETAIL WANTS SECOND FLOOR SPACE, THAT'S CREATED A GREATER PARKING DEMAND, WE RESPECT THAT.

AND SO WE'RE ASKING, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL THAT DURING THE BUILDING PERMITTING PROCESS? BUT DIDN'T HE SAY YOU COULDN'T HAVE RETAIL ON BOTH FLOORS, CORRECT? WELL, NO.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING, WHAT I TOLD HIM IS WE OURSELVES WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO AND, AND, AND, AND SET THOSE REQUIREMENTS ON THEIR SIDE PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIVE FOR 1000.

AND OKAY, THAT IS WHERE WHAT WE WOULD DO.

THAT'S OUR POLICY.

THAT'S REALLY NOTHING BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN BURNED IN THE PAST WHERE SOMETHING CHANGES TO A DIFFERENT USE THAT WASN'T INTENT AND THE SIDE GOT BUILT ACCORDING TO THE LOWER USE.

UH, SO WHAT WE HAVE TOLD IS JUST BE CAREFUL, BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA APPLY, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO APPLY UNLESS YOU KNOW, WE'RE DIRECTED BY YOU TO HOLD THE DEFINITION OF MIX USE.

THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER OF COURSE, IS, IS GONNA BE SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF, UH, BUSINESSES.

THERE COULD BE NOT JUST THE INITIAL ONES.

SO, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE LOOKING AT YOU, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME PROFESSIONAL AND THERE'S SOME RETAIL.

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? WELL, AND TO SOUTH POINT, THAT THAT'S A POLICING ITEM.

THAT'S A POLICING.

AND YOU HAVE TO PUT THAT AT MR. WALTON'S, YOU KNOW, CONCEPTS, WHAT I'M THINKING USING MY BAYLOR MATH, NOT MY AGIE MATH.

OOH, WATCH OUT NOW.

BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 2000, A THOUSAND DOWN RETAIL, A THOUSAND UP OFFICE.

YES SIR.

IF A THOUSAND UP OFFICE WOULD REQUIRE THREE PARKING SPOTS AND A THOUSAND DOWN, UH, FIVE, EIGHT VERSUS 10, MY THOUGHT IS THIS.

AND THE MARKET WILL BEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S, BEFORE YOU EVEN MENTION IT, I WAS THINKING, WHAT IF RETAIL'S GREAT OFFICE IS SLOW? WHAT RETAIL WOULD WANT TO BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS OPPOSED TO GROUND FLOOR? I'M THINKING, WELL, MAYBE A GUITAR SHOP OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

CUZ I WOULDN'T ENVISION A SECOND FLOOR RETAIL HAVING THE TYPE OF, WOULD WANT TO BE THERE THAT HAD A LOT OF BUSINESS.

SO THIS WOULD BE MY OBSERVATION.

IF YOU WERE TO PLAN IT, I WOULD RECOMMEND PLANNING IT ON YOUR FIRST FLOOR BEING RETAIL.

YOUR SECOND FLOOR BEING OFFICE.

CORRECT.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF THE SECOND FLOOR TENANT BECAME RETAIL, THE TYPE OF TENANT WHO WOULD BE ON THE SECOND FLOOR WOULD PROBABLY BE SATISFIED WITH OFFICE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SO YOU'RE EIGHT FOR A THOUSAND FOOT.

SO DON'T LET, I THINK OUR, AND WE COULD PROBABLY DO A

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HYBRID.

IF IT'S A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT PLACE, 5,000 UP, FIVE DOWN MM-HMM.

DO IT WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, 40 REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, RETAIL AND THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT'D BE REQUIRED OFFICE WOULD BE ENOUGH.

BECAUSE I CAN'T IMAGINE FOR A SECOND FLOOR RETAIL REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT'D BE RETAIL UPSTAIRS NEEDING MORE.

I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR BUSINESS OWNERS.

I SAY CITIES LIKE THAT.

WELL, AND A LOT OF 'EM DO.

BUT THE TYPE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE, I MEAN, I GO TO A LOT OF THINGS IN MIDTOWN HOUSTON OR IN RICE VILLAGE AND STUFF WHERE THEY HAVE RETAIL UPSTAIRS.

BUT THOSE ARE GENERALLY NOT HIGH TRAFFIC RETAIL.

THE GREATER DENSITY, GREATER DENSITY OF, OF CUSTOMERS.

AND, AND NOT THE AVAILABLE SPACE THAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO, UM, THERE'S CLEARLY RETAIL IN MORE URBAN, UH, POPULATIONS.

WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T HAVE THAT YET.

CLEARLY WE CREATED THESE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BEFORE WE WERE CONTEMPLATING.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF WHAT Y'ALL TRYING TO PROPOSE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR COMMUNITY.

BUT I I JUST RIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE SHOULD BE, LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY YOU CAME IN, YOU CAME IN AND SAID A, UH, A TWO-STORY BUILDING.

PROBABLY IT HAS TO HAVE TWO OF THE THREE.

SO IT COULDN'T BE JUST RETAIL.

NO.

RIGHT? SO IF IT'S HAS TO BE RETAIL AND OFFICE IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

IF A UH, IN A THOUSAND DOWN A THOUSAND UP, OH, I CAN ONLY GET 200 SQUARE FEET AS OFFICE REQUIREMENTS.

BUT I STILL MEET THE TWO LEASES AND, AND WE'RE BEING VERY TRANSPARENT.

AGAIN, LET ME REMIND THIS IS VERY CONCEPTUAL.

OH YEAH.

WE'RE JUST KICKING THE TIRES QUITE HONESTLY.

UM, THEY, THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST, YOU KNOW, IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THEY ARE EXPERIENCED IN CONSTRUCTION, SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.

BUT THANKFULLY, AND, AND I'LL MENTION THEY'RE HERE, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE PERMISSION ORIENTATED PEOPLE.

THAT'S HOW WE WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK THEY'RE PERMISSION.

WE'RE NOT COMING HERE ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS.

SO WE'RE SEEKING GUIDANCE AND WE'RE SEEKING COLLABORATION.

WHAT ABOUT DELIVERY TRUCKS? NOT, NOT THAT FAR DOWN THE ROAD YET.

WELL, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS.

WE DO.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA START TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLES PARKING LOT FOR THAT AS WELL.

WE'RE NOT EVEN TIPPING OUR TOE INTO THE WATER OF LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS YET.

BUT, BUT THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT IF I CAN USE WHAT I'M GONNA REFER TO AS THE BLENDED RATE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, LEMME GET THIS STRAIGHT AGAIN, FIVE PARKING SPOTS FOR 1000 RETAIL AND 3003 PARKING SPOTS FOR THOUSAND ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THEN I CAN START GIVING SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES BACK AND THEN I CAN START BEAUTIFYING AND MEETING MORE OF OUR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND LESS CONCRETE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I'M TRYING TO GO BEYOND THE PARKING.

UH, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA GET TRUCKS THERE TO, UH, NO, GOOD POINT.

GOOD POINT.

BUT WE, THIS WAS OUR FIRST SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, TRASH ACCESS OUT.

WE HAVEN'T, THAT MAY BE ON THE VERY GOD, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME SEE THAT, BUT IT'S NOT, WE HAVE DUMPSTERS RIGHT HERE.

WE'VE GOT EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

WE'LL CERTAINLY SPEAK WITH FIRE MARSHAL.

MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS AROUND ON THE SUBSEQUENT VERSIONS AS WELL.

I'VE ACTUALLY GOT A PARKING AISLE, I MEAN A DRY AISLE TO SUPPORT NOTHING BUT DELIVERIES.

BUT, BUT AGAIN, WE'RE JUST CONCEPTS RIGHT NOW.

BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE MONEY.

WE HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THOSE THINGS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

WE'RE JUST SEEKING THE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE COULD DO.

IT, IT'S PROBABLY UNUSUAL TOO FOR THE TRASH TO BE THAT FAR FROM THE, THE BUSINESSES COULD BE, THAT'S NOT GONNA BE CONVENIENT, BUT WE CAN SACRIFICE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PUT ONE OF THOSE DOWN HERE.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE DUMPSTER ON EACH SIDE.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE SIDE LOADED.

WE ARE DRIVER'S SIDE LOADING HERE FOR OUR TRASH COMPARTMENTS, CORRECT? MM-HMM.

DRIVER'S SIDE.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THAT WHERE THEY CAN COME IN AND, AND PICK THAT UP HERE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MR. SERGEANT, WE COULD EASILY PUT ANOTHER ONE DOWN HERE ACTUALLY ON THIS SIDE.

HERE'S, SO THEY CAN COME IN AND PICK IT UP ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE AND BACK OUT.

SO IT'S INTERESTING TOO THAT YOU HAVE A SIDEWALK BEHIND THE BUILDING.

WELL, AND THAT WE, WE ACTUALLY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SOME H V A C UNITS, SOME CONDENSER COILS.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY PUT SOME OF THE H V A C, SO THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE MAINTENANCE ACCESS IN THE BAG.

YES, SIR.

AND, AND IN SOME INSTANCES WE NEEDED A SECOND MEANS OF EGRESS OUT OF A PARTICULAR SUITE.

WE'LL HAVE A BACKDOOR ENTRANCE AS WELL.

AND FOR RETAIL PURPOSES, BECAUSE I JUST KNOW THERE'S BEEN BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TRIED TO GO IN THERE, BUT H E B CONTROLS ABSOLUTELY SO MUCH ABSOLUTELY.

OF WHAT CAN BE IN THERE.

MS JOSIE CAN TELL US ALL ABOUT THAT.

OH YEAH.

DRIVING, YOU CAN FLASH OPTIONS TWO AND OPTIONS THREE.

AND, UH, AND, UH, SO I JUST WAS GONNA KIND OF LIMIT TO A GREAT DEAL WHAT CAN BE IN THERE TO SOME EXTENT, RIGHT? AND SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE JUST SEEKING SOME COLLABORATION.

UH, AND, AND WE, YOU CAN FLASH WHOEVER'S

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AND THERE ARE EVEN MORE GRANDIOSE.

AND THAT, THAT'S A BIGGER ASK.

AND I KNOW YOU'VE GUYS HAVE ALREADY SEEN YOUR PACKET.

IF, IF, IF WE DREAM REALLY BIG, REALLY BIG, WE'RE CURIOUS AS TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BENEFIT THE CITY AND ITS CITIZENS AND PROMOTE MORE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION, MORE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESSES COULD MAYBE COME BACK AND POTENTIALLY TEAM WITH AND COLLABORATE WITH THE CITY TO THEM, MAYBE POTENTIALLY ALLOW ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE PARKWAY TO SUPPORT EVEN A GREATER DEVELOPMENT ON THESE SAME LOTS.

THAT'S AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION, BUT WE'RE JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR JUST SOME AMOUNT OF CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WORST CASE, YOUR OPTION A, HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS DO YOU NEED, EDDIE? CAN YOU ZOOM IN THERE? EDDIE, ARE YOU DRIVING OPTION A OR OPTION ONE, IF YOU CAN ZOOM INTO THAT UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER THERE.

SO IF WE GO BY THE MOST RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS, FIRST FLOOR IS AT 10,000.

WRITE IT RIGHT IN THERE, MY FRIEND.

IF Y'ALL CAN READ THAT, CAN EVERY, ANYBODY READ THAT? MM-HMM.

, WE HAVE IT, IT'S 94, RIGHT? IT'D BE 51 SPACES.

WE WOULD NEED 94 SPACES FOR THE MOST RESTRICTIVE.

IF I USE THE BLENDED RATE, PARDON ME, THEN I ONLY HAVE TO HAVE 77 AND YOU'VE GOT WELL OVER A 90 SOMETHING ON YOUR DRAWING.

WE DO THAT, WE CAN MAKE THAT WORK.

BUT THEN FROM THE DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, IF, IF THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT THEY DON'T NEED ONE, WE CAN PUT IT BACK INTO SOME GREEN SPACE.

NUMBER TWO, THEY CAN ALSO ENLARGE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THEREFORE INCREASING THEIR LEASE RATES AT, YOU KNOW, MORE TAX DOLLARS FOR THE CITY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF GOT TO A POINT HERE, WE HAD TO KIND OF STOP CAUSE THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN GO WITHOUT COMING TO YOU FIRST.

WELL, I THINK WITH REGARD, SINCE THE REQUIREMENT IS IT HAS TWO USES, CORRECT? THEN THE MOST RESTRICTED RATE WOULD NOT BE VALID BECAUSE YOU COULD NOT USE IT.

JUST RETAIL.

WE COULD NOT, BUT BEING IN, BEING VERY TRANSPARENT, THE MARKET'S GONNA DICTATE THAT.

AND WE DO NOT WANT TO BE, AND I'M, I'M TALKING TOO MUCH AND I'LL LET THE CAROL SPEAK.

THEY'RE GOOD PARTNERS.

THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE.

THEY DO NOT WANT TO COME IN.

WELL LET'S, WELL LET'S BACK UP HERE MAYBE.

SURE.

MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

YOU DESIGN IT AND IT'S GOING TO BE BOTH RETAIL AND OFFICE SPACE.

BUT MY GOODNESS, IT'S ONLY, WE ONLY HAVE A MARKET FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT RETAIL.

HAVEN'T YOU THEN VIOLATED THE TERMS OF OH, THEY COULDN'T DO THAT.

THE PUT WELL, THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT BY ASKING PERMISSION FIRST YOU, YOU'D ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE DOCTOR'S OFFICE UPSTAIRS.

UH, I'M STEPHANIE CARROLL.

AND THEN THE REST OF IT COULD BE RETAIL.

RETAIL AND THE EXTREME.

NOW TO YOUR POINT THOUGH, JEFF HAPPEN EITHER.

SO MARKET'S GONNA DICTATE WHEN THOSE PEOPLE COME TO THE DEVELOPER AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA HAVE OFFICE IN THERE.

UH OH.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OFFICE OFFICE.

THEY'RE AT LEAST GONNA HAVE ONE OFFICE, .

SO I TELL, LET ME STEP ASIDE.

LET ME INTRODUCE JESSE AND STEPHANIE CARROLL.

Y'ALL.

HEY, I'M JESSE CARROLL.

I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR, WHAT, 40 YEARS NOW? A LONG TIME.

SO BORN AT, ACTUALLY AT THE DOW FREEPORT HO, UH, HOSPITAL.

I WORK AT BSF.

I RUN, UM, THE PRESIDENT OF ELITE RETAIL SERVICES.

UH, WE'VE BEEN IN LAKE JACKSON SINCE 96.

UM, WE ACTUALLY DID THE WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE, UH, WAY BACK IN THE DAY.

SO, UH, WE HAD A LOT OF, UH, PROJECTS AROUND THE AREA THAT WE DID.

UM, WE CONTINUE TO DO CONSTRUCTION.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE DO IT IN 48 STATES.

UM, WE DO MOSTLY RETAIL.

UH, WE DO TRACTOR SUPPLIES, BATH AND BODY WORKS.

VICTORIA'S SECRET.

UM, I HAVE A LOT OF WORK IN CALIFORNIA.

UH, A LOT OF WORK ALL OVER THE PLACE RIGHT NOW.

EVERYBODY'S, EVERYBODY'S CRAZY BUSY.

UM, BUT WE UM, WE HAVE DONE GROUND UP.

WE HAVE DONE, UH, INTERIOR REMODELS.

WE HAVE DONE, UM, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT CAN BE DONE WITH CONSTRUCTION.

UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE UH, BEEN IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.

LIKE I SAID, UM, UH, IN LAKE JACKSON WE USED TO HAVE, UH, DR.

ER'S OFFICE.

UH, THAT WAS OUR BUILDING FIRST.

UM, SO WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE AREA.

WE'VE BEEN HERE, LIKE HE SAID, FOR A LONG TIME, UH, IN LAKE JACKSON.

UM, AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT WE WANTED TO TRY A LITTLE DIFFERENT AVENUE, UM, AS FAR AS, UM, THIS PROPERTY COMING UP AND WHAT WE WANT TO PROPOSE, UH, TO DO WITH IT.

AND WE HAVE THE LOCAL EXPERIENCE, UM, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

AND I WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT BIG DEVELOPERS OUT OF HOUSTON.

WE'RE LOCAL.

SO WE GREW UP HERE AND REALLY WANTED TO SEE LAKE JACKSON JUST CONTINUE TO GROW.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD STUFF COMING TO LAKE JACKSON LATELY, AND WANNA BE PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT WE CAN OFFER.

AND I THINK THERE'S ALWAYS SPACE FOR ALL, UH, DOCTORS AROUND HERE NEEDING DOCTORS' OFFICES.

SEE THAT ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

SO I THINK YOU'LL

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AND THEN OF COURSE, LOVE TO GET SOME RETAIL IN THE BOTTOM.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE HOTEL BEING THERE AND THE TEXAS CREDIT UNION BEING THERE, AND ANY OTHER FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT A PARK MAYBE COMING, GOING IN.

PEOPLE AT THE PARK MIGHT WANT TO GO EAT DINNER OR HAVE AN ICE CREAM OR LIKE THAT.

WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH, UM, BUSINESSES THAT AREN'T HERE, THAT AREN'T IN LAKE JACKSON OR IN THIS AREA FOR LEASING OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THEM DOWN HERE.

SO IT'S NOT JUST PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE THAT ARE JUST GONNA BE MOVING BUILDINGS.

IT'S PEOPLE THAT AREN'T EVEN HERE, UH, AT ALL RIGHT NOW AND ARE LOOKING FOR OPPORTUNITIES AND PLACES.

AND THE, THE LOCATION HERE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, FROM DOWNTOWN, BASICALLY ON HOW THAT'S GROWING.

AND WE WANNA MAKE AN EXTENSION OF THAT TO THIS LOCATION RIGHT HERE.

SO WE'RE WANTING TO BRING IN NEW BLOOD, UM, TO OCCUPY THE SPACES THAT WE'RE GONNA BE, UH, BUILDING.

AND I WOULD SAY WE, WE TALKED TO SOME NATIONWIDE, UH, UH, RETAIL STORES.

WE'RE USING OUR CONTACTS THAT WE, UM, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH NOT JUST DOLLAR GENERAL, BUT LIKE THEY HAVE OTHER, THEY HAVE OTHER, UM, OFFSHOOTS, UM, POP SHELF.

THEY HAVE, UM, DIFFERENT BRANDS.

SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH HAVE DIFFERENT BRANDS THAT THEY DO.

AND THEY'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW OPPORTUNITIES IN NEW AREAS THAT WE DON'T HAVE CURRENTLY.

HOW, HOW WOULD PEOPLE ACCESS THE SECOND FLOOR? SO THERE WOULD BE AN ELEVATOR? WELL, IN THE BUILDING ON, IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW WE HAVEN'T REALLY DECIDED.

SO IT'S REALLY IN THE CONCEPT CONCEPT.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A, AN ELEVATOR, UH, WHERE EXACTLY IT'S GONNA BE, WE HAVEN'T FLUSHED OUT YET.

OF COURSE THERE'LL BE SOME STAIRS WHERE FIRE.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO HAVE TOO MANY DETAILS.

I MEAN, TOO MANY PEOPLE TO SPEND A THOUSAND COME AND GET A BAD IDEA, .

RIGHT, RIGHT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALSO TALKED TO SOME, UH, UH, RESTAURANTS LATELY MM-HMM.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME NATION, UH, SOME FRANCHISE RESTAURANTS I'VE LOOK INTO.

AND THEN ALSO LOCAL FOLKS THAT ARE WANTING TO EXPAND, EXPAND SOME OF THEIR BUSINESSES.

LIKE, LIKE A BURGER SLASH JOINT PIZZA PIZZERIA.

SO, SO BOTTOM FLOOR IS OUR, OUR PLAN IS RETAIL TOP FLOOR IS PLANNED OFFICE.

WOULD YOU ONLY HAVE ONE ELEVATOR OR WOULD YOU ALSO HAVE A COMMERCIAL ELEVATOR TOO? FOR GETTING EQUIPMENT UPSTAIRS? FOR FURNITURE? I MEAN, RIGHT NOW I DON'T, I DON'T, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO.

BUT YEAH, SO I, I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT, IS ONE IS ON THE FIRST OPTION IS THE DIFFERENT PARKING.

RIGHT NOW WE NEED PARKING TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE BUILDING INSIDE ITSELF AND ALSO ACCESS WAYS.

AND THEN IF WE REALLY WANTED TO MAXIMIZE THE SPACE WAS THE OPTION TWO.

FOR THE PARKWAY, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLOW, I THINK IT ADDS ANOTHER 10,000 SQUARE FEET TO THE BUILDING ITSELF IF WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT PARKING.

IS THAT CORRECT? SOMETHING WITH THAT.

AND YOU KNOW THAT, THAT THE WHOLE THING IS REALLY TRYING TO BUILD THAT AREA OUT AND BRING AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN, WOULD YOU DREAM TO A THREE STORY? I MEAN, WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT , IT HASN'T.

YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE PARKING.

SO YEAH, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

BUT THEN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THAT THIRD STORY IS, RIGHT? IT WOULD HAVE, IT COULD AFFECT THERE'S OFFICES AND THERE'S DEFINITELY, IT'D BE HARD TO PUT A LOT OF PARKING THERE FOR OFFICES, BUT IF THERE'S, UH, RESIDENTIAL AND LIKE LOFTS, YOU KNOW, THEN YES, WE COULD DO THE PARKING THERE.

BUT VERY CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW.

UH, I KNOW, I THINK THE FIRST ASK IS TO USE THE BLENDED RATE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

AND THE SECOND ONE WAS TO CONSIDER THE PARKWAY AND THEN MAYBE IF FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING? FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND THEN POSSIBLY A POSSIBLY MEETING WITH Y'ALL AND ACTUALLY DOING MORE OF A, WHEN WE GET FURTHER DOWN ON THE DESIGN.

ACTUALLY, A WORKSHOP WITH THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE, THE PARKWAY WOULD BE A STRETCH IF YOU DRIVE DOWN THE STREET NOW, YOU SEE ALL THE LITTLE LEAGUERS RIGHT NOW.

OH, I, I UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, ACTUALLY WE WERE ON THAT FIELD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE OUR KIDS IN THE LITTLE LEAGUE.

HOW CLOSE IS THE F UH, FUTURE, UH, THE HOTEL'S PROPERTY, IS IT, IT'S RIGHT.

IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST IT.

BUT IS, IS HOTEL A RECTANGLE OR RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS? IT'S, YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE THIS AND THAT.

IT'S JUST GONNA BE A LITTLE TRAVEL WAY, UH, BETWEEN THAT, UH, BETWEEN THE BUILDING.

SO IT'LL BE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE.

AND I BELIEVE WE WERE TRYING AND ALSO ALIGN OUR DRIVE AISLES FOR OUR PARKING WITH AIR DRIVE TO GET SOME RECIPROCAL ACCESS AGREEMENTS SO THEY COULD GET COMMERCE TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH.

THAT'D BE INTERESTING.

WE WANT IT TO BE MORE, LIKE I SAID, ACROSS THE WAY.

YOU HAVE THE URBAN, YOU HAVE THE BARS, YOU HAVE ALL THAT HIP DOWNTOWN STUFF, AND WE WANNA MIRROR THAT OVER ON THIS SIDE WITH JUST THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS AND WHAT WE BRING IN.

AND I KNOW, I THINK FROM THE PARKING WE BRING A RESTAURANT IN THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS GET EVEN MORE CHALLENGING.

AN NICE CORNER RESTAURANT WOULD PROBABLY BE REALLY GOOD FOR THAT AREA.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND I, IF I LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING IN THERE,

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DEFINITELY.

IF YOU GOT A HOTEL, YOU, YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, THE PARK.

I JUST SENT YOU TO PC, IF YOU MIND, PULL UP THE TV IF THAT HELPS.

UH, NO.

UH, THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION BEING HAD WITH THE DIFFERENT TYPE OF THINGS THAT CAN GO INTO THIS PARTICULAR, AND EDDIE JUST SHOWED ME HERE A, UH, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO LOOK AT.

UH, THE, THE PARKING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN THE BOOKS, WHICH WAS MODIFIED PROBABLY FIVE, 10 YEARS AGO NOW, UH, CHANGED SOME OF THOSE REAL RADICAL, WHICH WE HAVEN'T, UH, YOU KNOW, WE ARE EXPERIENCING SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS NOW WHEN WE ACTUALLY START LOOKING AT COMEDIAN STORES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT HIT A, IT HITS, IT HITS US.

THAT'S SAY, YOU KNOW, 20 SPACES PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE OFFICES THERE VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE THE OFFICE IS NOW ALLOW, IF YOU HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE, DENTAL OFFICE, MEDICAL DENTAL OFFICE, IT GOES INTO A FIVE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT.

SO YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL ON MAKING THAT DECISION.

HERE ON RESTAURANTS IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE ARE NOW REALIZING WHAT, UH, WHAT THE NEW CHANGES BROUGHT.

WHERE IN SOME CASES THEY, WHAT, WHAT HIGH TURNOVER? THE HIGH TURNOVER IS 24, 15, 15 FOR THOUSANDS.

WHAT IS THE 1550S SPACE? FAST FOOD.

FOR WHAT? FOR A RESTAURANT.

PER HOUSE.

HIGH TURNOVER, FAST FOOD, FAST FOOD.

SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS YOU NEED TO START TAKING IN CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, AND THAT, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING.

THE CHALLENGING TO BE RIGHT.

TO BE ABLE TO FIT A NICE SIZE BUILDING IN THERE.

ACTUALLY TO ATTRACT A NICE SIZE RETAIL OR NICE SIZE RESTAURANT IN THERE IS THE PARKING IS GONNA BE THE LIMITING FACTOR.

I THINK EVEN JUST LIKE NORMAL, UM, RESTAURANTS AROUND NINE, 8,000 SQUARE FEET IN, IN SOME PLACES.

SO IT WOULD ALMOST TAKE UP MOST OF THAT BOTTOM FLOOR JUST FOR A RESTAURANT.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE SECOND OPTION.

IT, IT PROVIDES A BIGGER FOOTPRINT FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO PUT A RESTAURANT IN THERE AND MAYBE EVEN MORE THINGS.

BUT THE LIMITING FACTOR IS PARKING.

THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER, I THINK WHEN THE HOTEL GOES IN THERE, YOU COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY SOME SHARED PARKING.

I THINK WE COULD ACTUALLY GET CREDITED FOR THAT.

YOU DON'T GET YEAH, THE HOTEL NOB PARKING.

LIKE THAT IDEA TOO.

BUT THEY CAN'T HAVE AGREEMENTS.

HAVEN'T WE TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE? WITH THE ADJACENT BUSINESSES? YES.

THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THAT, UH, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW THAT CROSS SHARING OF PARKING.

IF YOU'RE WITH A CERTAIN DISTANCE, UH, TO THE PARKING, YOU CAN ONLY CLAIM CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING.

SO HAVE YOU GOTTEN THE FEEDBACK, UH, SPECIFICS ABOUT THE RATIO? UH, I'M ASSUMING TOO, IF SOMETHING IS ZONED, NOT ZONED, IF YOU ALLOW FOR SHERRY, YOU MAY TELL US THIS.

IF YOU'RE ALLOWED FOR THREE PER THOUSAND AND THEN THEY WANT TO PUT IN A CLINIC THAT REQUIRES FIVE IN THE FUTURE MM-HMM.

, WE PROBABLY, WOULD THEY COME HERE AND ASK FOR AN EXCEPTION? YEAH.

THEY WOULD COME BACK HERE AND Y'ALL WOULD'VE TO LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE GOOD PARKING AT THAT POINT.

IF Y'ALL ARE GOING WITH THE ALTERNATE PARKING PLAN, THEN EVERY TIME THEY'RE BROUGHT SOMETHING IN, YOU WOULD'VE TO RE-LOOK AT THAT PARKING PLAN.

SO THAT WOULD BE SECOND GENERATION BUSINESSES.

MY THOUGHT IS, I THINK YOU WOULD CONSIDER WHAT YOU CALL THE HYBRID, BUT IF YOU DO HAPPEN TO WANT TO PUT IN A FIVE, 8,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME SIGNIFICANT HURDLES TO OVERCOME.

ONE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE PARKING FOR ALL OF THE STAFF.

, THEN YOU GOTTA HAVE PARKING FOR ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS, WHICH IS WHY IT'S HIGHER.

AND HOW DOES THAT WORK WITHIN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF EVERYTHING? YEAH.

AND THAT'S JUST LIKE JESSE SAID, THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO COME HERE CUZ WE CAN RUN OURSELVES IN CIRCLES THINKING ABOUT THE WHAT IFS, THE WHAT IF, THE WHAT IF.

SO WE REALLY WANTED TO START OUT HOW OPEN MINDED IS THIS COMMISSION TO WORKING WITH US, HELPING US STAY WITHIN THE PARAMETERS, BUT AGAIN, NOT WHITEWASHING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE RESTRICTIVE SCENARIO.

SO IF, IF, WELL I DON'T LIKE THE TERM WHITEWASHING CUZ IT ASSUMES CERTAIN THINGS.

SO YOU, YOU WON'T GO PULL OUT A THESAURUS AND WORK ON IT FOR NEXT TIME.

I WOULD THINK THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT OUR COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH BUSINESS.

AGREE.

WE WANT TO CONTROL AND TAKE, KEEP THE MAGIC OF LAKE JACKSON BY CONTROLLING

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HOW BUSINESSES RUN.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO WORK WITHIN, WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THINGS TO IMPROVE THE CITY.

THIS WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THAT, UH, GROCERY STORE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR EIGHT YEARS.

LOT THE, THOSE LOTS BY HEB HAVE BEEN EMPTY.

AND WE'VE HEARD THAT Y'ALL HAVE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE COME BY HERE WITH GRAND IDEAS ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.

UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE LOTS AND CONCEPTUAL DESIGNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND YES, WE ARE ARE AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE RUN INTO THE BUS SAW, UH, THEY GET PAST US, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME STUFF HAS, YOU KNOW, AND JUSTIFIABLY HAS TO BE APPROVED BY HEB OR COUNCIL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I WOULD, I MEAN MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE CUR CURRENT COMMISSIONERS IS WE WILL WORK WITH YOU.

SO I DON'T THINK YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING TODAY WHICH WOULD DISCOURAGE YOU.

AND YOU DO LIKE OUR PARKING THOUGH? WHAT'S THAT? WE DO LIKE OUR PARKING THOUGH.

UNDERSTAND.

AND IT WOULD BE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT TO OVERDEVELOP AND NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE.

I DON'T LIKE GOING TO GET CHINESE FOOD BY HEB AND NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A PLACE TO PARK.

YEAH, THAT DOES SUCK.

IT DOES SUCK.

CAN WE BCU CONCEPT AND SEA THAT PARKING THINK THAT ON, WHAT IS IT, PARKING? I THINK THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING PARKING RIGHT THERE.

SO I DUNNO IF THAT WOULD KIND HELP.

I EMAILED IT TO US.

WHAT DID, WHERE'S SHE TALKING ALSO TO THE PARKWAY PARKING I THINK IS, UH, NO, NO.

GO.

SO YOU DON'T NEED TO JUST I APPRECIATE THAT'S RIGHT.

GET RID OF THAT IDEA.

ISN'T, UM, NO WAY TO POSSIBLY RECONSIDER THAT IN THE FUTURE.

THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES THEY BROUGHT UP.

WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE IMPERMEABLE SURFACES.

WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUT LITTLE LEAGUE AH, BACKSTOPS.

SO THAT WOULD ALL BE BAD.

SO NO, I MEAN, CUZ I, I, I DRAFTED THOSE FIELDS AND IT'S USUALLY ONLY CERTAIN SEASONS THOSE FIELDS ARE USED.

IT'S A PRETTY HARD SURFACE TO PLAY BASEBALL ON WHEN YOU HAVE A PARKING LOT THERE.

LIKE I SAID, MY FIVE YEAR OLD WAS ON THAT LOT ON THOSE LIGHTS.

SO IT'S NOT, I'M NOT ASKING SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T NOT USED MYSELF.

I UNDERSTAND.

BUT I DO KNOW THOSE OTHER AREAS THAT YOU COULD PROBABLY ACTUALLY PUT BACK STOPS AND PROVIDE THOSE AREAS.

WELL IF Y'ALL WANT TO EXPLORE THAT IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, MEDIATE THOSE WITH SOMEPLACE ELSE Y'ALL WANNA PROVIDE THAT, THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION.

WE CAN WORK WITH THIS ROBIN ON THAT.

YES, I UNDERSTAND.

DO WE HAVE TO WORRY? I'LL, I'LL ANSWER THIS QUESTION REAL QUICK.

THE QUESTION OF PARK ON THE PARKWAY BE DECIDED BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO, UH, IT'S REALLY, I MEAN EVERYBODY CAN RECOMMEND, BUT THE ISSUE IS THAT DECISION TO MAKE BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY HAVE VOTERS ANY POINT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT CITY COUNCIL MAKES THAT DECISION.

AND I THINK WHAT OUR REQUEST IS TO BETTER WORK WITH THIS, THIS GROUP RIGHT HERE BEFORE WE EVEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL.

BECAUSE IT, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO NOT HAVE ANYBODY HELP YOU RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE WE WENT, DO WE HAVE THE DETENTION HERE? IT WOULD, YES.

IF YOU INCREASE THE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES THERE YES.

YOU WOULD'VE TO, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM WAS JUST DESIGNED FOR A SPECIFIC AREA WITH THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS GONNA BE TAKING PLACE.

ANY MORE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA CREATE A, I THINK IN THE ORIGINAL ZION THAT THE, THE DITCH SIZES WERE USED, THEY WERE SIZE AND THEY WERE MATCH UP.

SO THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN GROWTH MATCHED UP.

YEAH, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT, UH, WE JUST LOOKED AT ONE LAST MONTH WHERE THEY WERE GOING WITH UNDERGROUND DETENTION MAN, WHICH YOU DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT.

SO, UH, THAT'S A REALITY THAT, UH, IT HAS TO GO ALONG WITH THE PARKING ISSUES.

EVERY PLACE YOU'VE GOT CONCRETE, YOU'VE GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING TO HOLD THE WATER AND LIMIT ITS EXIT FROM THE AREA.

ONE, I THINK THIS WAS GOOD ABOUT IF Y'ALL WORK ON THIS, Y'ALL HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE.

BRENT HAS EX EXCEPTIONAL AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE DOING THINGS THROUGHOUT NOT ONLY LAKE JACKSON BUT THE BRAZOS PORT AREA.

HE KNOWS THE CHALLENGES, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, WE WILL TRY TO WORK WITH YOU IN A CONCEPT.

I KNOW BECAUSE IT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE TO START PUTTING REAL PEN AND PAPER TO IT TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT WORK.

THE HOTEL WILL HAVE TO HAVE A DETENTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN DO ANY JOINT OR NO, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A DETENTION.

RIGHT? OH, THEY DON'T? NO.

EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF IN THE PARKING FOR THE HOTEL FOR EVERYTHING.

PARKING AREAS IN THE PARKWAY WERE NOT OH, THAT'S THE ONLY SECTION.

SO IT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DETENTION ADDITIONALLY PERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WEREN'T PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN OKAY.

CANNOT BE COVERED WITH CONCRETE THAT THOSE, THOSE

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SO THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

NO, THEY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

EXCUSE ME.

I UNDERSTAND.

YEAH, IT'S THE PARKWAY.

THAT PARKWAY, THEY NEED TO COME BACK.

YOU, YOU, WE NEED TO PROVIDE A, A SOLUTION FOR THAT.

SO, SHORT ANSWER, WE'RE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AMENABLE TO WORK COMPROMISE, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DETAILS FOR US TO SAY.

YEAH, NO.

I THINK THE ONLY ONE THAT WE REALLY IS GOING FOR THE TODAY WAS THE, UH, BLENDED RATE.

TRYING TO GET IT IDEA AROUND THE BLENDED WITHOUT OVER SPEAKING IS IT SOUNDS LIKE THIS GROUP IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORM ON THAT BLENDED RATE.

MM-HMM COMBINING THOSE TWO PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

SIGN WHEN WE GET THROUGH ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S EXCEPTABLE AND I THINK IT'LL BE INTERESTING THE PERSPECTIVE THAT Y'ALL WOULD BRING TO US WITH, FROM YOUR, UH, FROM YOUR EXPERIENCES THAT UH, THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD.

LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE DOCUMENTS TO

[9. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

JEFF? I DON'T THINK SO.

THANK YOU HARRY.

MATTHEW, WE HAVE A TRAFFIC COMMISSIONER HERE.

DOES HE HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT? NOPE.

NO? HOW'S WALNUT? HMM.

HUH .

IS IT STILL A SPEED TRAP OR, I DON'T KNOW.

LET'S SIGN SOME DOCUMENTS.

IT'S DINNER TIME.

WE GOTTA ASK EVERYBODY.

WE GOT OTHER PEOPLE.

OH MAN.

SABRINA, WHAT YOU GOT? MODESTO? HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING? MODESTO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SHARE FOR WITH US? MODESTO, UH, FROM THE, MR DO YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING FROM THE LAST NIGHT'S MEETING THAT, UH, THE COUNCIL, UH, THAT WOULD NEED TO SHARE OR THEY, THEY WOULD FIND OF INTEREST? ? I REALLY CAN'T, UH, THAT'S A HIGH BAR.

UH, THE ONE THING THAT I WILL, UH, NO, THAT WE DID DISCUSS, UH, UM, THE OYSTER CREEK DRIVE AT SYCAMORE, UM, WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION PROBABLY IN THE MARCH 20TH TIMEFRAME.

UH, THAT'LL, UH, THE REPAIR NOT, UH, UNDER REPAIR IS PANEL REPLACEMENTS.

UH, BUT IT'S QUITE SIZABLE ON THE, ON THE SYCAMORE SIDE.

UH, THAT'LL, UH, DISRUPT TRAFFIC FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I HAVE SAY THREE WEEKS.

UM, Y'ALL ALLOW ONE LANE OF TWO, IT'LL GO THROUGH.

IT'LL GO THROUGH ONE LANE AND THEN SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WILL BE REDIRECTED.

WE'LL PROBABLY NOTIFY THE CITIZENS OF THE NEXT FEW DAYS AND ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET THAT MESSAGE OUT ON FACEBOOK.

BUT THAT'LL BE A BIG, UH, PROJECT UNDERWAY IN THE NEXT, UM, STARTING ON MARCH 20TH.

ANYTHING NEW COHEN THAT YOU CAN SHARE? NO, UH, NO ANNOUNCEMENTS.

UH, UH, EVERYTHING IS STILL IN THE QUEUE.

WE STILL HAVEN'T NOT RECEIVED PLANS FROM, UH, CAVENDERS.

SO I WOULD, UH, I DON'T SEE A SPRING DATE.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN SINCE WE HAVE AN APPROVED PLANT, SO MAYBE IT'LL BE LATER IN THE SUMMER.

HOW ARE, HOW ARE THE GHOST DEPARTMENTS DOING? I'M SORRY.

THE APARTMENTS BEHIND BUCKY'S, THAT'S, UH, BEING DISCUSSED BY STAFF NOW.

UM, ON THE QUESTION OF, UH, MATERIAL.

AND, UH, THE SUITABILITY OF THE MATERIAL NOW THAT IT'S BEEN WEATHERED.

I DROVE OVER THERE THE OTHER DAY.

SO, AND IT WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTING.

HOW'S OUR UH, WACH DEVELOPMENT GOING? IT'S GOING GREAT GUYS.

EXCEPT THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, CREATING PROBLEMS WITH THE, WITH THE STREET.

YEAH, I NOTICED THAT.

I DROVE THE STREET THIS AFTERNOON.

I THINK THE STAFF'S HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM.

UM, IT LOOKED GOOD, YOU KNOW, THIS AFTERNOON.

SO MAYBE THEY'VE HEARD US AND IT'LL KEEP IT CLEAN.

THE ACTUAL CLEANING UP.

BUT AS FAR AS THE STATE, THE CONDITION OF THE STREET, THE CONDITION OF THE STREET IS, UH, NOT HOLDING UP.

I PREFER SUVS DOWN THAT ROAD INSTEAD OF CARS RIGHT NOW.

CAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'M GONNA FALLEN FEW THOSE CARS.

UH, SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPE, IRRIGATION.

EDDIE, GIVE US A REPORT ON WHAT, HOW'S THAT BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN PROJECT THAT YOU'RE SO IN LOVE WITH GOING? IT'S ALMOST DONE.

IT LOOKS GOOD.

IT'S LOOKING GOOD.

I MEAN, CREDIT, I'M IMPRESSED.

THE LAST STREET PAVEMENT FOR WENT DOWN.

UH, SAW THAT LAST WEEK.

SO LOOKED NICE.

THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE.

ELECTRICAL IS ALL GOING IN ALL AT ONCE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS.

GOOD DEAL.

THEY'LL GET IT ALL WRAPPED UP.

IT'S NICE.

UM, IS CHAMPAIGN GOING TO BE ABLE TO RETAIN, UH, THE OLD ROD IRON COLUMNS? YES.

, THEY'RE ACTUALLY GONNA BE OUTSIDE OF THE NEW CONCRETE AND SO OH, NICE.

THE NEW SIDEWALK COULD GO UNDERNEATH IT

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AND I SAW IT.

COOL.

IT'D BE NICE.

I SAW ALL THE CANOPIES IN THAT AREA ARE NOT GONNA BE TAKEN DOWN.

OKAY, COOL.

UNLESS THEY FALL DOWN WHILE WE'RE LOOKING.

OH YES.

WELL THERE'S, THERE'S THAT .

SO NO, NOTHING, NOTHING AT ALL SAL.

NOTHING AT ALL.

NO.

EDDIE TAKES CARE OF THE WHOLE MAN.

HE'S, HE'S A HOME RUN HITTER AIN.

HE, YES.

NOW I WILL TELL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, PSON NOW IS RETIRED.

RETIRED, BUT HE IS STILL, UH, IN VACATION ON VACATION CITY TIME.

SO HE'S COMING DOWN HERE IN THE EVENINGS, CLEANING UP HIS OFFICE AND STILL TAKING CARE OF ODDS AND ENDS THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE BECAUSE HE, THAT'S THE TYPE OF GUY HE IS.

UH, SO HE IS JUST, I DIDN'T KNOW HE'D RETIRED.

I DIDN'T KNOW HE DID.

YES HE DID.

GOD WAS, HE'S, HE'S MOVING OVER TO, UH, HIS WIFE HAD TO GO TAKE CARE OF HIS PARENTS.

OF HER PARENTS, YEAH.

IN COLORADO.

AND SO NOW HE IS, UH, FOLLOWING HER.

THAT'S QUITE A LOT.

THERE'S WORSE PLACES TO RETIRE THAN COLORADO .

SO Y'ALL PROBABLY GOT, UH, HE'S GOT AN NICE PLACE OVER.

HE TRIPPED UP .

YEAH, HE TRIPPED.

Y'ALL ARE LOOKING FOR A REPLACEMENT ENGINEER.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER CHALLENGE.

DON'T THAT MANY ENGINEERS, UH, YOU KNOW HOW, HOW HARD IT IS TO GET ENGINEERS.

SO HOW MANY FILING CABINETS ARE YOU BUYING FOR HIS OFFICE? , HE, HE'S THROWING, I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE'S THROWING EVERYTHING AWAY, BUT HE'S CLEANING UP, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

RIGHT, ANNA, WE GOT, WHAT'S OUR NEXT MEETING? TUESDAY, APRIL 4TH.

WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE NEED TO GO THROUGH HIS TRASH CUZ HE COULD BE THROWING SOME GOOD PLANS AWAY.

ALL

[10. SET NEXT MEETING DATE – Tuesday, April 4, 2023]

IS EVERYBODY GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT? YES.

YEP.