* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. I DISCLOSED [00:00:01] ON ALL. WELCOME TO EVERYONE, UH, [Call to Order] JOINING US THIS EVENING FOR THE MONDAY, MARCH 20TH, 2023 REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT, UH, 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AT SIX 30. SO, MEETING IS BEGINNING. WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH, UH, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER SETH HAVE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO DIVIDE UNITED, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. FOR HONOR, THE TEXAS FLAG PLEDGE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TEXAS ONE STATE ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. AND THE INVOCATION THIS EVENING WILL BE PRO PROVIDED BY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BAKER. LET US PRAY, GIVE MUST HEAVEN FATHERS THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, THE DAY THAT WE NEVER SEE AGAIN. MUST HEAVEN FATHER BLESSED OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR FIRST OUR, THE, OUR FIREFIGHTERS, EMS AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEY GO OUT AND PROTECT US ON A DAILY BASIS. BLESS THEM TO GO OUT AND DO THEIR DUTY AND RETURN HOME SAFELY TO THEIR FAMILY. THEY MUST HAVE ANY FATHER, AS WE GET READY TO PREPARE OUR MEETING, BLESS EACH ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE WISE AND GREAT DECISIONS, GREAT DECISIONS FOR THIS GREAT CITY. AND JESUS THING WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. MAN, I'M TONGUE TWISTED TODAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DOING GREAT. UH, NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA IS VISITOR'S COMMENTS. UH, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY DOWN FOR VISITORS COMMENTS WE HAVE FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT IS, UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON THE REGULAR OR CONSENT AGENDA? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON. UH, PRESENTATION IS PROCLAMATION [PRESENTATIONS] FOR APRIL FAIR HOUSING MONTH. LET ME READ THE PROCLAMATION. HI, GERALD ROSKI BY AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON DUE, HEREBY PROCLAIM APRIL, 2023 AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON. WHEREAS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT HAS INITIATED THE SPONSORSHIP OF ACTIVITIES DURING THE MONTH OF APRIL OF EACH YEAR, DESIGNED TO REINFORCE THE DEPARTMENT'S COMMITMENT TO THE CONCEPT OF FAIR HOUSING AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY. AND WHEREAS THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AFFIRMATIVELY SUPPORTS THE EFFORTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE STATE OF TEXAS TO ASSURE EQUAL ACCESS TO ALL AMERICANS TO RENTAL, HOUSING AND HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. WHEREAS THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON WELCOMES THIS OPPORTUNITY TO REAFFIRM ITS COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE EQUAL ACCESS TO HOUSING, TO ALL OF ITS RESIDENTS WITHOUT REGARD TO RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, INCLUDING GENDER IDEN, IDENTITY AND SEXUAL ORIENTATION, DISABILITY, FAMILY STATUS, NATIONAL ORIGIN, UH, OR SOURCES OF INCOME. AND NOW, THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF APRIL, 2023 AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AND TESTIMONY AWARE OF, WITNESSED MY HAND AND SEAL OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON ON THE 20TH DAY OF MARCH 23RD. OKAY, MOVE ON TO NEXT PRESENTATION IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPRE OF ACHIEVEMENT FOR EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING. JAMES, GOOD EVENING, MARION COUNSEL, SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE VISITOR COMMENTS, YOU GET THE LONGER VERSION. VERY GOOD. NO. UM, APRIL 4TH, 2022, THE CITY'S AUDIT FIRM KML BROUGHT TO YOU THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT FOR YEAREND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2021. AFTER BEING ACCEPTED BY THE COUNCIL, IT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE GENERAL, UM, GOVERNMENTAL FINANCIAL OFFICE ASSOCIATION FOR CONSIDERATION TOWARDS THE CERTIFICATE OF ACHIEVEMENT AND EXCELLENCE IN FINANCIAL REPORTING. THE PROCESS TAKES SEVERAL MONTHS. THERE'S 16 GRADING CATEGORIES. LAKE JACKSON WAS FOUND TO BE PROFICIENT IN ALL 16 CATEGORIES, WHICH MADE US QUALIFIED FOR THE CERTIFICATE. CERTIFICATE ACHIEVEMENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF RECOGNITION IN GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING AND FINANCIAL REPORTING. AND ITS ATTAINMENT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENT BY A GOVERNMENT AND ITS MANAGEMENT. THIS IS THE 27TH YEAR IN A ROW THAT THE CITY'S RECEIVED THIS CERTIFICATE. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. GOOD NEWS FOR YOU. GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SURE. THANK YOU AGAIN. UH, APPRECIATE ALL WORK. UH, IT TAKES, UH, FOR STAFF, UH, TO ACHIEVE A SUCH, UH, LEVEL OF, UH, EXCELLENCE. OKAY. AND MERIT'S ON THE WEBSITE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO READ IT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TIME READING. NEXT ITEM [00:05:01] ON THE AGENDAS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. UH, THIS IS WHERE OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANY MEMBER OF COUNSEL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR ANY AGENDA ITEM, EITHER CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR AGENDA. IS THERE ANY KIND OF CONFLICT THAT ANYBODY NEEDS TO DECLARE? ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO [CONSENT AGENDA] THE CONSENT AGENDA. I'LL TRY TO READ THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. APPROVAL OF MINUTES, MARCH 6TH, 2023. UH, ITEM TWO IS EXCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION MINUTES. THAT'S TRAFFIC. UH, ITEM THREE IS APPROVE 2023. 2023 STREET CLOSURES FOR THE FOLLOWING EVENTS AND DATES. UM, CONCERT SERIES CIRCLE WAY ON, UH, FRIDAYS, UH, FROM FIVE 12 TO SEVEN SEVEN FROM 6:00 PM TO 11:00 PM INDEPENDENCE DAY CIRCLE WAY ON, UH, SEVEN FOUR FROM 3:00 PM TO 10:00 PM UM, OUR LADY QUEEN OF PEACE FALL FESTIVAL CIRCLE WAY ON 10 22 FROM 6:00 AM TO 5:00 PM FESTIVAL LIGHTS, TREE LIGHTING AND SANTA PAJAMA PARTY. OUR JAM, UH, CIRCLE WAY ON, UH, 1117 FROM 4:00 PM TO 11:00 PM AND FESTIVAL LIGHTS FESTIVITIES CIRCLE WAY ON 1118 AND 1119 FROM 6:00 AM TO 10:00 PM WITH 1119 BEING THE INCLEMENT WEATHER RESCHEDULED DATE. ITEM FOUR IS ORDINANCE NUMBER 2264, PROHIBITING COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FROM PARKING IN PUBLIC PARKING LOT. SECOND READING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2265, CHANGING THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS, AGE RANGE, AND TERM OF OFFICE FOR MEMBERS OF THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSION. ORDINANCE. SECOND READING NUMBER SIX IS APPROVED ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF BID NUMBER 2 0 100 0 1 TO BRAS SUPPORT CLEANING PLUS FOR CUSTODIAL SERVICES FOR THE CIVIC CENTER. UH, ITEM SEVEN, AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH, UH, FUND ABOUND BOUNDS FOR NEW PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT FOR GARLAND PARK NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF $166,612 THROUGH THE BI BOARD CONTRACT AS BUDGETED. IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A, A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO APPROVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH SEVEN AS WRITTEN. OH, YOU GOTTA READ 'EM ALL. , SETH, A SECOND. WHO'S SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SETH, AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SINNIA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT. STOP ME ON THAT ONE, EH. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM [1. Public hearing for rezoning the Brazosport Village Shopping Center at 410 Plantation Drive from a B-1 (Neighborhood Business) to C-1 (Commercial) – Sal Aguirre] IS, UH, ON THE REGULAR SESSION. WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, LET'S ANNOUNCE. ALL RIGHT, AT WHAT TIME IS IT? 6 38. AT 6 38, WE, UH, MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE REZONING OF BRAZOS PORT VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER AT FOUR 10 PLANTATION DRIVE. FROM B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO C1 COMMERCIAL MAYOR, WE HAVE RECEIVED A REQUEST, UH, TO REZONE WHAT, UH, IS KNOWN AS THE OLD H E B CENTER ON, UH, PLANTATION AND DIXON DRIVE AT THE CORNER. UH, THERE CURRENTLY IT IS, UH, B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, AND THE REQUEST IS TO RESULT IT TO C1 COMMERCIAL. THE PLATING COMMISSION HEARD IT AT THEIR, UM, EARLIER, UH, MEETING IN MARCH. AND THEY'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO REZONE TO C1 IF YOU CAN. WE'VE ALSO NOTIFIED, UM, THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, UH, OF THE REZONING AND POSTED AND SIGN THAT, UM, MR. DEFENSEMAN HAD RECOMMENDED, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOTIFYING THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE PROJECT. UM, WE HAVE RECEIVED A PETITION, UH, FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, AROUND, AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. SHARPIER WILL REQUEST TO SPEAK, UH, TO THAT LATER. UM, UH, OPPOSING, UH, THE REZONING, UH, MILFORD, COULD YOU GO TO THE TABLE, UM, COMPARISON OF COMPARISON TABLE? YES. SO, B ONE IS WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY IN ZONE, AND THAT SHOWS WHAT, UM, IS ALLOWED IN THE B ONE ZONE, C1, WHICH IS, UH, THE REQUEST INCLUDES EVERYTHING IN THE B ONE ZONE, IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS IN, IN THE TABLE, UH, IN WHAT IS WRITTEN IN RED ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SO HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTERS, NEWSPAPERS, AUTO DEALERS, HOTEL, HOTEL THEATERS, BANKS, WAREHOUSES, UH, HOTEL [00:10:01] BUSINESS, VETERINARY CLINICS, LAUNDROMATS, SELF STORAGE FACILITIES, RECREATION BUSINESS TATTOOS, AND FOOD TRUCK COURT. THOSE ARE THE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN ADDITION, IF IT'S APPROVED. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE A, IS THERE A MAP THAT SHOWS THE ZONING? IT'S UP. THE, SO THAT SHOWS, UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, ZONE. SO EVERYTHING, I GUESS IN THE ROSE COLOR IS, IS B ONE. UM, AND THEN THE LIGHT COLOR RIGHT BEHIND IT IS A C1 PROPERTY. AND THEN THERE'S A C1, UH, DOWN, YOU KNOW, ON DIXIE DRIVE, THE CA GUITARS, UH, NEXT TO, UH, THE CHURCH THAT WAS, UH, REZONED, UM, WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. WE'VE ALSO CHECKED THE ZONING IN CLTE, UH, THE OPPOSITE, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS. WHERE, UH, WHAT IS IT? IT'S KROGER, OLLIE'S OLLIE'S, THE FORMER KROGER. THAT IS A MIXTURE OF KIND OF SCENE ONE AND B ONE. THE FRONT IS C ONE. AND WE LOOKED AT THEIR ZONE. THEIR C ONE IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO OURS. IT DOES NOW WAREHOUSES, UH, ALSO IN THAT ONE. SO, UM, BUT I HAVE IT CHECKED THE, THE B ONE, BUT THAT SHOPPING CENTER IS KIND OF SPLIT, UH, ON THERE JUST FROM, UH, IN, IN THE AREA. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. SHARPER. THANK YOU. I GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF MYSELF. I'VE DEAD CHAIR FOR 42 YEARS. I WAS A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. I WAS, UH, ON THE YOUTH ADVISORY COMMISSION FOR A YEAR. I WAS FOUR YEARS ON THE SENIOR CITIZEN ADVISORY. I WAS A COSTAL WORKER FOR FOUR YEARS. AND THE ONLY REASON I LEFT THIS CITY, I LOVE THIS CITY, IS MY SONS IS A SINGLE PARENT AND I'M HELPING RAISE THREE TEENAGERS. I WANNA MOVE BACK SO BAD , OKAY? BUT, UH, LET ME TELL YOU THE GOOD NEWS I FOUND ALL THIS WEEK. I'VE BEEN GOING AROUND VACANT KROGERS AND OH H E BS. SO WHY I FOUND OUT ON 45 AND FIVE 18 WAS A VACANT KROGER FOR ABOUT A YEAR. NOW IT'S A GYM IN THE LIQUOR STORE, OKAY? I KNOW WE DON'T SELL LIQUOR, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WAS DONE TO IT. THE OTHER ONE THAT'S ON LEAGUE CITY PARKWAY, THAT'S NEW KROGER'S WHEN THEY MOVED, NOW IT'S A GYM IN A RESTAURANT, THE O H A E B ON 5 28 AND 45 IS NOW FLOOR IN DECOR. AND THEY TAKE SALES TAX. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE LOSING ON THE SELF STORAGE CUZ THEY NOT COLLECT SALES TAX. IF LAKE CITY PEARLAND AND FER IN FRENCHWOOD ARE OLDER CITIES, THEN LAKE JACKSON, IF THEY CAN DO IT, WE CAN DO IT. SO I WENT DOWN FROM KEMA ALL THE WAY TO TWO EIGHT B. I LOOKED AT EVERY STRIP CENTER, EVERY STRIP CENTER ON THAT 12 MILE. I FOUND ONE. NO STORAGE IN THE STRIP CENTER, NONE, ZIP, NONE. I WENT BACK TWICE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH SALES TAX THAT BUILDING LOOKS TO BE. PROBABLY 6,000 SQUARE FEET. I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT. TELL YOU THE TRUTH. THIS IS GOING TO BE DAMAGED. NOW WHAT I KNOW IS ON FRIDAYS I WORKED FOR, I VOLUNTEER AT THE MERCY TREE. MERCY TREE IS WHERE THEY FEED HOMELESS. THEY FEED THEM EIGHT TO 25 PEOPLE A DAY. AND THESE PEOPLE ARE MOBILE, THEY HAVE CARS, ALL OF 'EM HAVE STORAGE UNITS. I SAID, REALLY? I SAID, DO YOU STAY THERE? WELL, SOMETIMES IF WE CAN GET BY WITH IT, WELL, I SAID, HOW YOU GET KICKED OUT? WELL, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A CARD AND NOT STUFF, SOMETIMES WE GET IN THERE, WE CAN STAY ALL NIGHT LONG. AND THEN SOMETIMES THEY ASK US TO LEAVE AND SOMETIMES THEY GET THE COPS, BUT MOST OF THE TIME THEY DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION AT ALL. SO THAT'S CURIOUS. SO THIS IS WHAT I'M THINKING THAT LIKE JACKSON CAN DO, CUZ I'VE DONE THIS MYSELF AND NOW I'M JUST A RETIRED WELDER AND I HATE EMAILING. I'M NOT A HANDS-ON GUY. THE GOODYEAR BUILDING, IT STAYED VACANT FOR TWO YEARS. I DIDN'T ASK FOR A TAX BREAK. I WENT THERE AND SPENT $30,000 DUE THE ENVIRONMENTAL. SOMETIMES I RENT TO SMALL BUSINESSES. I HAD TO GIVE 'EM TOO MUCH FREE RENT TO DO THE BUILDOUT AND I'LL TAKE A CHANCE ON 'EM. AND THIS PLACE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS THROUGH AN OUT STATE BUSINESS. [00:15:01] SO EXPLAIN TO THE TAXPAYERS WHY WE CAN'T GET A GYM IN THERE DIVIDED UP AND TO DIFFERENT STORES REACH. WE SHOULD WORK WITH THIS DEVELOPER, WHOEVER OWNS THIS PLACE BECAUSE THAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. I THINK THAT BUILDING, NOW I'M THIS A WELDER, SO IF IT'S NOT INFRACTIONS, I CAN'T DO IT. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD IN FOR BRING IN BETWEEN 30 AND $40,000 A MONTH. IT'S GOING EMPLOY ONE PERSON, MAYBE, MAYBE ONE PERSON. THE CITY IN WATER, YOU'RE GONNA LOSE MONEY BY THE TIME YOU SEND A DUMP TRUCK OVER THERE, EMPTY THE DUMPSTER, YOU LOST ALL YOUR PROFITS. NOW, I LOOKED UP A FRIEND OF MINE, I CAN'T TELL HIS NAME, THAT HAS A $6 MILLION STORAGE UNIT COMPLEX. HE PAID $450 SALES TAX CUZ HE SOLD BOXES. SO THIS IS A DECISION THAT ASKING THE PLANNING COMMITTEE TO MAKE IS TO MOVE THIS BACK FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS AND WORK WITH THIS PEOPLE. AND OH YEAH. SO, WELL I SAW, I SAW THIS IN LAKE CITY POLL. ROYAL WAS MOVED A GROCERY STORE IN THERE. CAN YOU BELIEVE IT? ? I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY. OKAY. BUT WE CAN DO BETTER. AND LAKE JACKSON CONGRESS STOPPED GROWING. YOU KNOW, IF WE GO OVER 2004, IT'S A FLOOD ZONE. BUT THE OLD STRIP CENTER HAS NEVER FLOODED. I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT FLOODED. THIS IS A PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED PLANTATION. I'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY SINCE 1993 AND IT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED BY CITY. OKAY. FOR YEARS AND YEARS. CLTE ACTUALLY HAS SIDEWALKS AND STREETLIGHTS. WE DO NOT. SO I'M JUST SAYING, I HOPE WE TRY TO DO BETTER AND WORK WITH THIS DEVELOPER AND EXPLAIN TO OUR CITIZENS WHY WE ARE LOSING THIS SALES TAX. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM PROPERTY OWNER OR HELPER HERE? YES. YES. OKAY. GOOD EVENING. I'M GLENDA JACOBY. I REPRESENT THE OWNER, PETER DWYERS ON THE SHOPPING CENTER AND GETTING THIS PROPERTY REZONED. THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN VACANT, AS Y'ALL KNOW, FOR QUITE SOME TIME. I WAS HERE TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS AGO WHEN WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD WITH THIS SAME PRESENTATION THEN. AND HE POSTPONED IT. THEY RENTED THE SPACE OUT THAT, UM, WHERE THE OLD HEB IS, SPENT A LOT OF MONEY WITH, UH, PUTTING IN A, A, UH, COMPLETE FIRE, UH, SPRINKLER SYSTEM. NEW LIGHTING, NEW BATHROOMS. HAD A BATTING CAGE COMPANY COME IN AND THEY MOVED OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. THAT WAS OUR LAST, THAT WAS HIS LAST TENANT. THIS ZONING REALLY OPENS UP THE CENTER TO MULTIPLE THINGS. WE WERE VERY HONEST IN OUR PRESENTATION TO PLANNING AND EXPLAINING THE STORAGE FACILITY. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SHARED. UM, BUT IT WOULD BE IN THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE THAT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THIS OWNER HAS REESTABLISHED THE FRONT OF THE CENTER FIVE YEARS AGO. HE PUT A WHOLE NEW COATING ON THE FRONT OF IT. HE'S REPLACED SORE FRONT GLASS. HE'S HAD SOME TENANTS IN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. THEY'RE GOOD TENANTS. WE'VE, I'VE WALKED EVERY ONE OF THOSE TENANTS WITH MR. DWS AND HE GOES IN AND SAYS HELLO AND SPEAKS TO THEM. HE'S A VERY, UM, OLD SCHOOL TYPE, UM, DEVELOPER. HE HAS A LOT OF PRESTIGE AND HONOR FOR WHAT HE HAS HERE. AND HE WANTS IT TO DO WELL WITH THIS NEW ZONING. IT ALLOWS BANKS TO COME IN. IT ALLOWS DRY CLEANING FACILITIES TO COME IN THE SMALLER SPACES. THERE'S A SPACE ON THE OTHER END THAT HAS, THAT CAN BE DIVIDED UP. AND WITH THE ZONING THEY HAVE NOW, IT'S PRETTY RESTRICTED FOR COMMERCIAL USE. UM, AND SO THAT'S WHY HE'S GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. AS FAR AS THE SALES TAX, HE PAYS A LOT OF PROPERTY TAX, BEEN PAYING PROPERTY TAX ON EMPTY BUILDING NOW FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND REALLY NEEDS TO GET SOME REVENUE COMING IN. AND THE, AND THE AREA IS, UM, AS FAR AS THE STORAGE USE, THE CLIMATE CONTROL IS PLANNING WAS TOLD, UH, IS UNDERSERVED TO ABOUT A 10% NUMBER. SO IT'S A VERY UNDERSERVED USE IN THIS CITY. IT NEEDS THE CLIMATE CONTROL. UM, I'M WORKING ON ANOTHER ONE IN LAKE JACKSON, BUT IT'S OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE AT THE SAME TIME. I, I DO A LOT OF STORAGE. I'VE DONE IT FOR 30 YEARS. I'VE BUILT IT ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS. AND, UM, SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES SIR. THREE OF YOUR TENANTS SIGNED OVER THREE OF THEM. THREE OF YOUR TENANTS. YEAH. JUST A SECOND. JUST A SECOND. YOU CAN'T, CAN'T BE DOING THAT. YOU'RE TALKING TO US AND SO FORTH. SO, OKAY. SO A ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, HAVE YOU HAD ANY OTHER INTERESTS FROM ANY OF THESE OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES? [00:20:01] THEY HAVE. I'VE TALKED TO THE LEASING AGENTS. THEY'RE, UH, ANDY SOUTH AND CAMERON SOUTH'S FATHER-SON TEAM. AND I'VE TALKED TO WILL SMITH, WHO RUNS HIS, UH, THE USED CLOTHING STORE THERE. MM-HMM. . AND THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO PUSH A, UH, UH, A DRY CLEANING DROP OFF AND A VET CLINIC THAT WOULD HAVE BOARDING. AND THERE WILL, THIS WOULD ALSO ALLOW THEM TO GO OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND CREATE SOME PAD YOU, YOU KNOW, PAD SITES FOR RESTAURANTS THAT THEY CAN'T DO RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE WITH THE GROCERY STORES AND THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. DO. UH, SO WHAT IS YOUR ROLE AGAIN? DO YOU DO THE MARKETING OR DO YOU NO, SIR. I'M A, I'M AN, I'M A DEV. I'M A, UH, DEVELOPMENT, I'M AN OWNER'S REP FOR DEVELOPERS OR, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY COME IN AND HIRE ME, UH, FOR THEIR SERVICE. MULTIPLE SERVICES REZONING. UM, WELL THE REASON WHY I ASKED IS CUZ I DID DO SOME LOOKS AND TRY TO LOOK AND SEE. I DID SOME SEARCHES ON, UH, RETAIL PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR LEASE IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON OR IN, IN OUR AREA, INCLUDING CLETE, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND I COULD NEVER FIND THIS PROPERTY BEING LISTED ON ANY OF THE SYSTEMS OUT THERE FOR, TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S RENTAL SPACE OR LEASE SPACE AVAILABLE IN ANY CITY. NOW THEY HAVE THE SIGNS IN THE BUILDING. I DON'T KNOW AS FAR AS MARKETING WHAT, UH, SOUTH STAR DOES, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, UH, THE, UH, UH, THEY DO HAVE THE SIGNS AND THE PHONE NUMBERS AND THE INFORMATION ON THE BUILDINGS. AND THEN I ALSO WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT, UH, ALL THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUDIES THAT WE HAVE DONE AND WE'VE PAID FOR IN THE PAST. AND, UH, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY NEED THAT CAME UP ON ANY OF THOSE STUDIES THAT SAID THAT WE NEEDED MORE COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR, AGAIN, THESE THINGS THAT FALL INTO THE, THAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, THAT DIDN'T SAY THAT WE NEEDED MORE, UH, STORAGE FACILITIES OR THAT WE NEEDED WAREHOUSING, UH, OR SO FORTH. THAT, UH, WHAT'S AGAIN, LOOKING AT WHERE THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, OUR REVENUE SOURCES ARE, NUMBER ONE IS SALES TAX. NUMBER TWO IS PROPERTY TAX. AND, UH, SO RETAIL AND WAYS TO BRING IN MORE SALES TAX INTO THE COMMUNITY IS OF VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF, UH, THE MORE SALES TAX WE CAN BRING IN BY HAVING GOOD SERVICES HERE, UH, THE LESS OUR PROPERTY TAX COULD BE, OUR TAX BURDEN COULD BE ON OUR CITIZENS. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND LIKE I SAY, WHEN WE CAME FORWARD, WE SHARED THIS, THE STORAGE IDEA. IT, IT WAS NOT TO HIDE ANYTHING. IT WAS TO LET Y'ALL KNOW. SO INSTEAD OF JUST COMING IN AND SAYING, WE WANT TO GO FROM THIS TO THIS AND THESE ARE, THESE ARE REASONS WHY WELL, THE REALITY IS, YEAH. AND, AND WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY IS, THE REALITY IS YES, SIR, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU WENT TO THE PLANNERS IS THAT WHAT OUR ROLE IS, IS NOT TO LOOK AT WHAT IS BEING PLANNED ON GOING IN. CUZ YOU CAN WALK OUT TOMORROW AND CHANGE THE PLAN. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS, IS WHAT TYPES OF BUSINESSES ARE ALLOWED BY EACH ZONING TYPES? YES SIR. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. WE CAN'T LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS. AND SO THE ONE THING WHEN I TALK TO PEOPLE, UH, ABOUT THIS IS THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THEY HAVE IS MOSTLY WHEN YOU START THROWING IN THE WAREHOUSE COMPONENT THAT'S CAPABLE FOR THIS, THIS, UH, THIS TYPE OF OPER, THIS, UH, ZONING CHANGE. AND, UM, SOME OF 'EM ARE CONCERNED. AND THEN THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE PROPERTIES BEHIND THERE THAT ARE BACK UP TO THIS, AND THEIR CONCERN IS, IS THAT WHAT'S TO KEEP IF WE GO COMMERCIAL WITH THIS AND A WAREHOUSE COMES IN AND SOMEBODY DECIDES TO PUT IN A CHEMICAL STORAGE, YOU KNOW, YOU LEASE IT TO SOMEBODY TO STORE CHEMICAL DRUMS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY LOSING PROTECTION FROM FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA BECAUSE OF, OF THIS CHANGE IN, UH, ZONING? WELL, IN CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, Y'ALL DON'T DO AN S U OR YOU KNOW, I DO A LOT OF SPECIAL USE PERMITS WITH STORAGE. AND SO THOSE ARE SOMETIMES THE PROCESS I'VE GONE THROUGH IN MULTIPLE SITES IN MULTIPLE CITIES. SO YOU, IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER. HERE, YOU DON'T HAVE AN SGP PROCESS. SO WE, WE HAVE A PROCESS TO WHERE YOU, YOU COULD HAVE COME IN FOR AND, AND ASKED TO FOR JUST THIS AREA FOR A SPECIAL USE. AND WE COULD HAVE, AND WE COULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION AND SAID, FOR A SPA TO YOU COULD HAVE YOUR REQUEST COULD HAVE BEEN IS, IS I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, TO ADD A SPECIAL USE FOR C1 MORE FOR OUR, OUR FOR B ONE. FOR, UH, FOR STORAGE. STORAGE. I DID ASK THAT QUESTION. OKAY. AND THEN YES SIR, THAT, THAT, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A ROUTE AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A ROUTE TO WHERE IT COULD COME UP THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE ZONING TO ALLOW SPECIAL USE. THAT THAT STORAGE COULD BE SPECIAL USE. AND THE, THE CHALLENGE THERE IS EVERY TIME IT CAME UP, IT'D HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED EACH DAY. YES, SIR. AND I, BUT I DID ASK THAT, CUZ I ALWAYS ASK THAT QUESTION FIRST, BUT THIS, I WAS TOLD THAT Y'ALL DO NOT HAVE THE PROCESS OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR A STORAGE. SO WE WOULD'VE GONE THAT ROUTE WITHOUT THE WHOLE REZONING. WE WOULD'VE TO CHANGE THE ORDER. I MEAN, SHE'S RIGHT. I MEAN, WE [00:25:01] DON'T HAVE THAT PROCESS. YEAH, WE CHANGED THE ORDER. THE PROCESS WOULD BE CHANGING ORDER. BUT WHEN, WHEN SOMEONE YOU CAN LIMIT, I MEAN, I'VE DONE THIS, YOU CAN CHANGE, THE COUNCIL CAN CHANGE THE PROCESS AND CREATE THAT, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THAT PROCESS CORRECT AS IT EXISTS TODAY. SO WHAT I HAVE DONE IS COME IN AND ASK FOR THIS AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, BUT YOU CANNOT DO THESE. YOU CANNOT DO A WAREHOUSE. YOU CANNOT DO KIM. YOU KNOW, THIS OWNER DOESN'T WANNA DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LEASE THE SPACES HE HAS. HE DOESN'T WANT IT. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT TALL ENOUGH FOR A WAREHOUSE. THEY'RE ONLY 22 FEET TALL. SO IT WOULD BE REALLY HARD. IT'S NOT DESIGNED, IT'S AN OLD SCHOOL WEAR, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS. SO HE REALLY DOESN'T HAVE THAT. UH, IT'S IN A FAMILY TRUST. I THINK HE'S GONNA OWN IT FOREVER ALONG WITH HIS FAMILY, YOU KNOW. SO, UM, BUT YOU CAN LIMIT IT, YOU KNOW, THE ZONING, YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, YOU CAN'T DO WAREHOUSE, YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A LOT OF THINGS I'VE AND DRIPPING SPRINGS, THEY'RE GROWING FAST AND DOING THINGS AND I'VE TAKEN IT FROM E T J IS INTO THE CITY LIMITS AND FROM THERE TO REZONE AND FROM THERE TO S U. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PROCESS AND WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH Y'ALL. AND ONE, ONE LAST QUESTION. YES, SIR. FOR RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO, TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE OWNER TO SEE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR PLANS, WHAT HIS PLANS ARE. I MEAN, IF IT, AGAIN, WE, ONE THING THAT THE CITY CAN'T TOUCH ON IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND WE CAN MAKE FUNDING AVAILABLE THAT'S, UH, SET ASIDE AND HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS AND, AND PREVIOUS ACTIONS TO ENABLE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO AN EXAMPLE OF BEING IS JUST LIKE, UH, IF THE, IF THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTED TO, UH, IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY TO MAKE IT MORE MARKETABLE, UH, THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION THAT WE COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AGAIN, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A THRESHOLD THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET TO BE ABLE TO START THAT PROCESS. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE. AND ANOTHER REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS BECAUSE, UH, IN END OF MARCH WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR, UH, STRATEGIC PLANNING, UH, PROCESS. WE'RE GONNA HAVE A RECESSION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE GONNA, THAT I'VE ASKED THE FIRST US TO TALK ABOUT IS, IS UH, START MOVING ON OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MOVE OUR NE NEXT FOCUS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ONTO PLANTATION DRIVE TO DO THE PLANNING, UH, TO SET THE, THE STAGE SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE A PLAN THAT SAYS, THIS IS, IF THE COMMUNITY IS BEHIND US, WE COULD PUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS ONTO PLANTATION DRIVE AND UH, DO LIKE WE DID WITH DOWNTOWN. CUZ WHEN WE DID DOWNTOWN, DOWNTOWN HAD A LOT OF EMPTY BUILDINGS ALSO. AND THEN WE STARTED SPENDING MONEY IN DOWNTOWN TO REVITALIZE IT. UH, WE STARTED, WE SAW THE, THE VALUE OF THAT AND WELL, AND THEY USUALLY GET A TAX BREAK WITH THAT, CORRECT? NO. THAT, OKAY. BUT MOST OF THE CITIES, WHEN THEY COME IN AND CLEAR CREATE, YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE CITY. YOU NEED THINK ABOUT DOWNTOWN AS THE CITY OWNS UP TO THE SLAB. YES. AND SO WE, WE DID ALL THE WORK, UH, ON IT, BUT THERE'S NO TAX BREAK ON IT. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING OUTSIDE, IF YOU DON'T OWN THE CITY, I MEAN THE, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU GIVE THAT DEVELOPER IN ORDER FOR HIM? BUT HE HAS SPENT QUITE A BIT FOR YOUR DEVELOP FOR YOUR DEVELOPER. YES. WHAT IT WOULD BE IS, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING LIKE A THREE 80 AGREEMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, SIR, WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. BUT HE HAS RESURFACED THE PARKING LOT RECENTLY. HE'S PUT IN NEW PARKING LOT LIGHTS. HE'S PAINTED AND RESURFACED THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE LAST, SO THESE ARE ALL BEEN DONE IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS THAT HE'S SPENT HIS MONEY TRYING TO BRING THAT TENANT IN. GETTING BACK, GETTING BACK TO, LET ME, IF I CAN FINISH THAT COMMENT. YES SIR. I'LL MOVE ON. IS IS WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THE ONLY ONE CONCERN I HAVE IS, IS THAT REVITALIZING PLANTATION, THAT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOUR INDIVIDUAL OWNS IS A CORNERSTONE FOR PLANTATION DRIVE. IT'S ON THE END. AND SO THERE WOULD BE AN INTEREST IN, FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS THAT, UM, THAT, THAT THE ZONING IS, IS STAYS AT ONE TO WHERE WE CAN SEE ECONOMIC GROWTH. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT I, THAT I'M THINKING ON ALSO THINKING OF AS PART OF MY EQUATION, I GUESS THIS THOUGHT PROCESS. HE WOULD BE VERY OPEN TO THAT. YEAH. SO KIND OF TWO, GO AHEAD. TWO QUESTIONS, KIND OF TWO QUESTIONS, UH, CONCERNS IS WHAT MARKETING, WHAT RESEARCH HAVE Y'ALL DONE TO SEE IS THERE A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STORAGE FACILITIES IN LAKE JACKSON? CUZ I KNOW WE'VE GOT THE ONE DOWN 2002 OF 'EM ON 2004, ONE ON ABNER JACKSON. THOSE ARE JUST THE ONES OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. UM, AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE FULL YET EITHER. AND SOME OF THOSE ARE CLIMATE CONTROLLED. YES. THERE WAS A STUDY DONE AND DARREN WAS HERE, RIGHT? MOVE STORAGE IS A, UH, IS THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT WOULD BE MANAGING, AND HE'S DONE HIS FEASIBILITY DUE DILIGENCE. HE WAS HERE FOR BOTH PLANNING MEETINGS, UM, AND GAVE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM. UM, I DID NOT BRING THAT WITH ME. NOT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE WERE, IT WAS UNDERSERVED, UH, BY THE, I THINK WE HAD A 4% CAP, YOU [00:30:01] KNOW, ON THERE. AND WE WERE LOOKING AT ANYTHING THAT HAS A 14% IS KIND OF WHERE YOU GET ABSORBED AND YOU'RE AT 4% ON CLIMATE CONTROL. IT WOULD BE ALL INSIDE THE BUILDING, NOTHING OUTSIDE. AND THEN I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ALSO JUST THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIVE MARKETING TO BRING IN OTHER TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT DO PROVIDE SALES TAX REVENUE. I CAN TALK TO PETER ABOUT THAT. AGAIN, I DO NOT HANDLE THE, THE COMPANY. I WILL TELL YOU, THE COMPANY THAT HANDLES HIS MARKETING DOES IT. HE HAS PROBABLY 20 SHOPPING CENTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THEY HANDLE 'EM. UM, SO I CAN TAKE THAT BACK TO HIM. UH, ALL I KNOW IS THAT THERE'S, WHEN I'VE BEEN THERE, THERE'S SIGNS FOR LEASE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AGAIN, EVERYBODY DOES THEIR SEARCH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK TO, TO DO ANYTHING, WE PUT IN A ZIP CODE TO SEE WHAT WHAT'S THERE. AND, AND AGAIN, IF HE'S WITH, IF HIS OPERATIONS ARE ALL WITH, UH, STRIP CENTERS AND SMALL MALLS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT NETWORK. BUT I JUST, I USE THINGS LIKE LOOPNET AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHERE ANYBODY, I'M VERY FAMILIAR, UH, FOR PROPERTY AVAILABLE TO SELL OR TO LEASE A RENT TYPE STUFF. SO, AND I, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MAYOR, I DID NOT DO THAT SEARCH, BUT NEVER HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO I TRUST HIM TO HAVE, HE'S BEEN WITH HIM FOR FOREVER. SO I TRUST THAT HE'S DONE HIS DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT END. AND I, HE'S JUST ASKED ME TO COME IN AND ASK FOR A REZONE. HE HAS, HE DOES OWN A LOT OF STORAGE FACILITIES ALSO. SO. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK MY ONLY CONCERN IS I THINK PLANTATION, THAT PART OF OUR CITY IS UNIQUE BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS WITH THE BUSINESSES INTERMINGLED WITH ALL THE HOUSES SO CLOSE. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT BRINGING IN THAT COMMERCIAL FACTOR RIGHT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GONNA WANT. UH, DID THE RESIDENTS REPLY? DO WE HAVE ANY NEGATIVES WHEN THEY WERE SENT NOTICES? WELL, HE'S NOT A RES I MEAN, HE'S NOT A RESIDENT OR DOES HE LIVE WITHIN 200? WELL, HE'S A PROPERTY OWNER AND IT'S PROPERTY OWNER'S ACCOUNT FOR THE PROTESTS. AND WE HAVE SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF PROTESTS OF THE AREA AROUND IT THAT IT, THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO HAVE FIVE VOTES FOR THE REZONING FOR IT TO PASS. SO WHO, I JUST, I'VE NOT BEEN SHARED ANY TYPE OF PROTEST. I TYPICALLY WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION AND TALK TO THOSE PEOPLE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT. I AM AWARE OF THIS GENTLEMAN. YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE RECEIVED THAT IN OUR PACKET, DIDN'T WE? MM-HMM. THE LIST. MM-HMM. OF BUSINESSES. MM-HMM. . SO IT'S, THERE WAS LOT. THERE'S BUSINESSES AROUND THAT AREA YES. BEHIND IT AND SO FORTH. IT AND IT'S THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT THE LESSERS THAT SIGNED. YES, MA'AM. AND WE DO YOU MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU? UH, IF YOU WISH. CERTAINLY. UM, OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE SHE SITS DOWN OR QUESTIONS? YES. ONE, IT'S ONE COMMENT, MAYOR, THAT, UH, ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SAYING EITHER OR WAY, BUT USUALLY PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE THE, THE FINAL DECISION, WHAT GOES IN THEIR BUILDING CITY REALLY SHOULD NOT DICTATE CORRECT WHAT THEY CAN OR THEY CANNOT HAVE, UH, IN THEIR, IN THEIR PROPERTY. AND, UH, WE CAN CONTROL THAT WITH A, OR WE NOT CONTROL THAT, BUT WE CAN SUGGEST THAT THROUGH ZONING. BUT ONCE THE ZONING IS CHANGED, WHAT GOES IN THERE SHOULD BE THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. THAT'S ALL THAT'S GREAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK A HOME IMPROVEMENT TO ME, IT'S IDEAL FOR ACE HARDWARE OR, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT HOME, YOU KNOW, TO ME IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S, IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD STORE. SO I UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN IN THE REAL ESTATE BUSINESS FOR YEAH, WELL, ACE HARDWARE'S BEEN LOOKING FOR A PLACE AND THEY CAN'T FIND ONE THEY CAN AFFORD AND TO MAKE AND MEET THE BOTTOM LINE. YEAH. SO, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD BE THEIR MARKET. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE. EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE WHERE ALL THE NEW STUFF IS . SO THAT'S WHERE EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE. THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY THINK THE PEOPLE ARE, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S HOUSES ALL AROUND HERE. ALL RIGHT. JESS, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO COME BACK UP ONE MORE TIME. JUST A SECOND. AOR THE TOOLS MIGHT BE INTERESTED. I'LL TALK TO THEM NORTHERN TOO. OKAY. UM, SO SORRY. THANK YOU FOR, LET ME BOTHER YOU ONE MORE TIME. SO THREE OF HER TENANTS, I'M SORRY, THREE OF THE TENANTS SIGNED. THEY DIDN'T WANT THREE OF THE TENANTS. TWO OF 'EM WERE SCARED OF REPRISALS. OKAY. SO THAT'S FIVE PEOPLE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT DOES NOT WANT THIS. ANOTHER THING, I'M AN OLD MAN. 30 YEARS AGO WE HAD A FIRE AT THAT STRIP CENTER AND YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S DIVIDED UP. IT'S GOT THAT CLEAR SPACE RIGHT? THERE USED TO BE A BUILDING. YEAH. RIGHT. NO, IT BURNED IN THERE. IT BURNT. YEAH. AND IT ONLY WAS A MIRACLE THAT A GREAT FIREMAN, THAT WHOLE BUILDING DIDN'T GO UP. AND IF WE GOT SOMEBODY STORES SOME CHEMICALS IN THERE AND IT CATCHES ON FIRE, THAT BUILDING'S OLD. THAT SCARES ME. AND THAT SHOULD SCARE EVERYBODY CUZ WE CAN'T MA MONITOR WHAT [00:35:01] WE PUT IN THE STORAGE BUILDING. THAT'S IT. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, IF YOU COME BACK. YES. SO LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT YOU HAD TO COME BACK OVER. I'M SORRY. OKAY. SO WE CAN RECORD. LET ME CLARIFY THAT. N NOTHING GETS STORED. YOU KNOW, TEXAS HAS PROBABLY THE BEST TEXAS STORAGE ASSOCIATION IN THE COUNTRY THAT THE CONTRACTS ARE SIGNED. WE PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN, FIRE ALARM MONITORING. UH, THE TENANTS DON'T LIVE THERE. UH, SO AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ABOUT A STORAGE. THIS IS ABOUT A SHOPPING CENTER AND IT'S TURNED INTO ABOUT A STORAGE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO REVERSE IT BACK TO WHERE WE ARE. YEAH. IT NEED, WE NEED TO BE, WE'RE JUST, WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE ZONING BETWEENING. YES. A B ONE AND A C1. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO, OUR HEADS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AT. MY QUESTION WAS, IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, THE SPORT BUSINESS THAT WAS COMING IN THERE AND STUFF, AND I KNEW THEY HAD TO PUT IN SPRINKLER SYSTEM ALL KIND. DID THE OWNER PUT THAT IN OR DID THE, THE PERSON THAT WAS DEVELOPING THE OWNER DID. OKAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE OWNER DID ALRIGHT. I WASN'T, I WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PERSON THAT WAS PUTTING IN THE BAT CAGES SPENT LIKE $300,000 ON. I'M TRYING TO GET, I I WAS TRYING TO GET THE PLANS FOR THAT MAYOR CUZ I WANTED TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID, YOU KNOW? UH, BUT I, I'M WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T HAVE 'EM YET, BUT I, I WILL FIND OUT EXACTLY. BUT I JUST KNOW THAT, UM, FROM WHAT PETER TOLD ME, THAT HE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. . I MEAN, IF WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW THE DETAILS ON IT, DAVID IS HERE. HE KNOWS WHAT, HE'S OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR. HE KNOWS WHAT WAS DONE. I THINK WE DID. WE TALK LESS. HE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. OKAY. ANYWAY, HE CAN TELL US HOW MUCH BUILD OUT OR WHATEVER'S DONE THERE AND STUFF. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, GUYS? MEMBERS? MAY I, YES. MICHAEL WALLACE, 59 SOUTHERN WOOD COURT. UM, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER RIGHT OFF PLANTATION AS WELL. UH, I FALL OUTSIDE OF WHATS OF THE 200 FOOT RIGHT, UH, RULE OF NOTIFICATION, BUT I'M DOWN AT, UH, SYCAMORE STREET AND YES. UH, MY CONCERN IS THAT LOCATION'S BEEN EMPTY FOR YEARS EXCEPT FOR THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME WE HAD THE, THE BATTING CAGES OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU. UM, MY BIGGER CONCERN FOR, FOR ME AND MY BUSINESS IS, UH, POTENTIALLY THE BLIGHT THAT THIS CAUSES, AS IT CONTINUES TO SAY VACANT. UM, I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE A FUNCTIONING BUSINESS IN THAT FACILITY. I'VE LOOKED AT THAT FACILITY MYSELF ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, I'M IN THE, UH, LONG-TERM CARE BUS, UH, LONG-TERM CARE BUSINESS FOR THE ELDERLY. SO I HAD EVEN CONTEMPLATED LOOKING AT IT FOR A MEDICAL TYPE FACILITY OR, UH, ASSISTED LIVING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT DIDN'T WORK FOR MY NEEDS, BUT I FOUND IT QUITE EASILY, UH, THROUGH MY RESEARCH. BUT, UM, NOT ALL OF BUSINESS OWNERS OFF OF PLANTATION, UM, AGREE THAT WE DON'T WANNA MOVE FORWARD. I'M CERTAINLY ONE THAT WOULD, UH, I WANT BUSINESS TO COME IN AND I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT BEING REZONED FOR C ONE. SO JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL CLOSE THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 7 0 8 AND [2. Discuss and consider an ordinance rezoning the Brazosport Shopping Center located at 410 Plantation Drive from B-1 (Neighborhood Business) to C-1 (Commercial) – first reading – Sherri Russell] WE'RE BACK TO, UH, WE'RE BACK TO ITEM TWO. AND THAT IS GOING TO BE, UH, MR. MODESTO, YOU WANNA READ THE I WILL. THERE. IT'S, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF LA JACKSON, TEXAS, FINDING THAT ALL PREREQUISITES OF THE LAW HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH NECESSARY TO AMEND THE ZONING MAP WITH THE CITY REZONING, THE BRIDGEPORT SHOPPING CENTER LOCATED AT FOUR 10 PLANTATION DRIVE FROM B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO C ONE COMMERCIAL, PROVIDING PROPELS, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION. ALL RIGHT. I'LL TAKE A, WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THAT TO PUT IT ON THE TABLE FOR US TO DISCUSS, AND WE'LL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THAT ORDINANCE. THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION ON THAT ORDINANCE. OKAY. NOT HEARING ANY, IS THERE, I'LL JUST PUT THIS ON TABLE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS A COUNCIL? I, I'D JUST LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER STATEMENT. UH, OKAY. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WAREHOUSING AND, UH, THE STORAGE, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS ON CHEMICAL STORAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT WORRIES ME BECAUSE, UH, YOU SEE, EVEN WITH THE SUPPRESSION, FIRE SUPPRESSION SYSTEMS, ET CETERA, YOU SEE ON, ON NEWS SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, STORAGE UNITS, NOT [00:40:01] THIS TYPE OF STORAGE UNITS WITH STORAGE UNITS CATCHING ON FIRE AND CREATING A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE NEEDS OF EVACUATION AND SHELTERS AND PLACES AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. SO I THINK IN LONG TERM WE OUGHT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UH, UH, BUFFER. YEAH, BUFFER. AND, AND ALSO SOME TYPE OF RESTRICTION ON STORAGE UNITS ABOUT STOR. WHAT TYPE OF STORAGE? NO CHEMICAL STORAGE. YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE ANYTHING COULD BE, UH, ADDRESSED, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO BE ADDRESSED. NOT FOR, NOT THIS PARTICULAR CASE, BUT JUST GENERALLY. CAUSE THAT IS THE VERY GREAT QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. YEAH. ALRIGHT, SO, OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE THE HISTORY OF WHY IT WAS ZONED B ONE INSTEAD OF C ONE? I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN IT, I'M SURE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO. I'M, I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, I'M LOOKING AT THE OLD MAN IN THE ROOM. IT'S BEFORE, IT'S BEFORE HIM. I ASSUME IT WAS PROXIMITY TO THE RESIDENTIAL, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BOOKS THAT SAYS WHY IT HAPPENED THAT WAY AT ALL. THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS, AT THE TIME, THE ONLY BUSINESSES THAT WERE, UH, THAT WOULD SET UP SHOP HERE WOULD, UH, ART BUSINESSES THAT WOULD SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOODS AND IS BY DEFINITION, B ONE IS WHAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DEFINITION. AND IT'S PRIOR TO THE MALL, SO OH, DEFINITELY. SO THEY WERE ONLY YES. TWO COMMERCIAL CENTERS HERE AND DOWNTOWN. THAT'S CORRECT. CITY WAS VERY SMALL. BUT AGAIN, YEAH, HE HIT SAL HIT THE NAIL IN THE HEAD IS THAT, UH, UH, THE PURPOSE OF A B ONE IS, IS TO HAVE BUSINESSES TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THEY'RE, UH, ALIGNED WITH. SO, ALL RIGHT. UH, AGAIN, IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE, WHAT WE DON'T HAVE IN THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT AREA IS, IS THE ABILITY TO TAKE ONE OR TWO OF THESE THINGS OUTTA C1 AND LET THEM LET THEM OPERATE IN A B ONE AREA. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. IT'S, IT'S ALL OF C1. ALL THE RED THINGS ARE NOTHING. WE DO HAVE ON OCCASION, IN SOME ZONES WHERE WE HAVE SPECIAL PERMIT PROVISIONS, AND I GUESS THAT COULD BE REVISITED. IS THAT, ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ADD TO THE B ONE THAT WOULD ALLOW A SPECIAL PERMIT? AND IF, OR ANYTHING ON THIS LIST? SEE, WHAT WOULD, YOU COULD, SORRY, I KNOW I SPOKE, BUT CAN WE GO BACK TO THE COMPARISON REAL QUICK? COULD WE DO A C ONE WITH EXCLUDING, I MEAN, YOU CAN'T DO CONTRACT ZONING, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU'RE ALLOWED TO, WE'LL REZONE YOU, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THIS. YEAH. BUT WHO WOULD CHOOSE AND PICK ON WHO, WHAT, WHAT WILL GO IN AND WHAT WOULDN'T GO IN? THAT'S WHAT DRIVE-IN MEANS. IT MEANS A RESTAURANT DRIVE-IN AS OPPOSED TO DRIVE THROUGH. SO DRIVE-IN IS A RESTAURANT. IS A RESTAURANT. YES. THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S VERY CONFUSING. VERY CONFUSING, YES. OKAY. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WITH COUNSEL? MM-HMM. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, I WILL ASK IF THERE'S A MOTION ON THIS, UH, ORDINANCE, UH, FOR REZONING. ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING ANY, THE REQUEST DIES. LACK OF MOTION. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO WE DO NOW? I'VE NEVER HAD THIS HAPPEN. I'VE HAD IT TABLED OR CHANGED, OR IT IS, THE REZONING ISN'T APPROVED. HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED, SO IT'S DONE. SO PLANNING SAYS YES, YES, YES. AND PLANNING IS JUST MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS. I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST TRYING TO TAKE A WORD BACK TO THIS OWNER AS FAR AS WHERE HE GOES. NOW WITH THE CENTER THAT'S EMPTY, DOES IT JUST SELL IT AND GIVE UP? YEAH. WHAT IS THE OPTION THE CITY IS GONNA GIVE THIS MAN TO MAKE THE GROWTH? I MEAN, NOT, NOT JUST THE STORAGE, BUT ANYTHING THERE'S, I MEAN, HE STILL HAS OPTIONS OF PURSUING WHAT HE HAS AS A B ONE. IT'S HIS OPTIONS. THAT'S, AND THE, AND THE C ONE IS MAINLY BECAUSE IT HAS WAREHOUSES. C1 IS, AGAIN, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE LIST OF ITEMS ON THERE. THE COUNCIL DID NOT WANT TO MOVE, MOVE IT TO A C1 VERSUS A B ONE BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE IT BACKS UP TO HOUSES. AND THAT'S A BIG DEALS VERY WELL WAREHOUSE IS WHAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT EXPLOSIONS. YEAH. BUT, AND I THINK, I MEAN, THAT GOT MENTIONED, BUT ALSO I, I'M REALLY STUCK. THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION, RIGHT? BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE BUSINESSES COME IN. EXACTLY. AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT EMPTY, BUT IF I'M LIVING ON THAT STREET RIGHT BEHIND THEM, I DON'T WANT A, AN AUTO DEALERSHIP RIGHT THERE IN MY FRONT YARD EITHER. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M HUNG UP PERSONALLY. RIGHT. IS THAT'S, THAT'S TOUGH. HOW DID THE BATTY CAGE GO IN? WHERE, WHERE ARE THEY PULLING THE B ONE? I'M JUST QUESTIONING THAT. HOW DID THEY GET A C O TO B ONE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S NOT [00:45:01] A COMPLETE 100% EVERY SINGLE THING YOU CAN DO IN A B ONE BECAUSE, UM, SO I'M PULLING IT UP RIGHT NOW. RECREATIONAL BUSINESS IS ON C1. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE BATTING CAGE IS GOING THERE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST STRUGGLING A LITTLE BIT WITH, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ORDINANCES AND YOUR RULES AND WHAT GOES WHERE. AND YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSES ARE USUALLY IN A, IN A ZONE, WHICH WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN INDUSTRIAL, THAT'S WHERE IT GOES. SO I'M, HE'S HERE TO HELP YOU GROW. HE'S HERE TO FILL UP THE CENTER, BUT LIKE, WE STUCK. I NEED TO SAY YOU TELLING HIM SOMETHING OTHER THAN AGAIN, PASS. CAUSE SOMETHING MIGHT BLOW UP. WELL, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY IS HE'S IN A CORRIDOR THAT IS ALL EXCEPT FOR ONE PROPERTY, UH, IS ALL BE ONE. YES, SIR. AND, AND THAT IS HISTORICALLY THAT HAS BEEN, IT HAS BEEN B ONE SINCE THE FIFTIES. UM, AND SO EVEN WHEN HE BOUGHT IT, IT WAS A B ONE WHEN HE BOUGHT IT WAS A B ONE. SO THESE RESTRICTIONS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE, WERE THERE WHEN HE BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE AREA. AND AGAIN, I THINK I WOULD EXPRESS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL IS THAT THE HESITATION BECAUSE IT'S SO CLOSE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT REALLY THE ONLY AREAS THAT WE HAVE IS C1, IS OUR COMPLETE COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR, WHICH IS THE MALL, UM, AREA. AND SO DO YOU EVER MODIFY YOUR ZONES? IS YOUR, YOUR ZONING, I MEAN, DO YOU EVER GO BACK IN, REGROUP IT EVERY NOW AND THEN, SO WHERE YOU COULD THE DIFFERENCE MM-HMM. ? YES. SO YOU ASKED WHAT THEY SHOULD DO. MAYBE THEY SHOULD COME UP WITH SOME PARTICULAR PARTIES INTERESTED AND COME TO THE PLANNERS WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OPTION. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I, WE STARTED OUT TO DIG, I'M SORRY. AND THEN WE STARTED OUT WITH A CUSTOM USE PERMIT, BUT IT WASN'T ALLOWED. YEAH, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. NO. AND RECREATIONAL BUSINESSES IS A CONDITIONAL USE. SO THEY MUST HAVE GONE BEFORE PLANTERS TO GET THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, HOW THE BATTING CAGES GOT IN. JERRY, CAN YOU, SO I WOULD'VE GONE IN WITH THE STORAGE. NO, I'M JUST, YOU JUST WANNA KNOW HOW RECREATIONAL, HOW THE BATTING CAGE GOT IN SHERRY. IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE OF B ONE. SO THEY WENT BEFORE PLANTERS AND GOT A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SHERRY DON'T HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR STORAGE. I BET THAT WAS GONNA, WHAT ELSE IS ON THE LIST FOR CONDITIONAL STORAGE FOR B I MEAN CONDITIONAL USE UNDER B ONE, SUPERVISED LIVING FACILITIES AND CHURCHES. YES. THAT'S HOW THE CHURCH WAS THERE. OKAY. SO MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? JUST A SECOND? JUST, UH, REAL QUICK. THE, UH, WHERE YOU COULD GO GOING FORWARD WITH IT IS, IS THAT WE COULD HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW TO GO FORWARD. OKAY. AND, UH, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH THE OWNER. YES, SIR. AND UNDERSTAND WHAT, AND SO WE CAN TALK AS A, AS A GROUP WITH THE OWNER ON WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITIES OF WHAT WE COULD DO THERE. BUT AGAIN, THE CONCERN IS, UH, HOW CLOSE IT IS TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND WHAT THE, THE IMPACT COULD BE DEPENDING ON WHAT OF ALL THIS LARGE GROUPING OF ITEMS THAT, UH, COULD COME IN WITH A C1, WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON THOSE, THOSE, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE, AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE SPECIAL HEAT PERMIT IS BY SO MANY CITIES OF YOUR SIZE HAVE THAT AVENUE TO WHERE HE CAN GO IN. AND I'VE DONE IT TO WHERE YOU'LL NEVER PUT A GAS STATION, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA DO THIS. YOU'RE NEVER, I MEAN, I CAN WRITE A BOOK ON, WELL, WHAT WE'VE, AND AGAIN, SPECIAL USE AND CONDITIONAL USE. WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE IN SOME AREAS ON SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT SPECIAL USE MAY BE DIFFERENT WORDAGE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT CONDITIONAL USE IS, IS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT AND WE SAID THAT FOR THIS AREA, FOR THIS IS FOR A ZONE THAT WE WOULD PROVIDE A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A SPECIFIC TYPE OF SPECIFIC USE. AND, UH, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S NOT TIED TO YOUR REQUEST OR ANYBODY'S REQUEST. THAT'S TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME IN, IS THAT WE'LL REVIEW IT AND WE'LL SEE IF, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE A CONDITIONAL USE THAT GOES TO THE PLANNERS TO DO THAT. BUT SOMETIMES WHENEVER THAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT MAY BE FOR CONDITIONAL USE, MAY BE FOR A CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESS, AND THE PLANNERS MAY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOUR OF THOSE BUSINESSES ON THE STREET, WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE? THAT'S WHERE YOU START GETTING INTO A PROBLEM, IS YOU START DETERMINING WHO'S THE WINNERS AND WHO'S LOSERS. YES, SIR. AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH THE PLANNING BOTH MEETINGS WAS VERY POSITIVE. THEY WERE ALL FOR IT. THEY, EVEN THE STORAGE, THEY SAW BIG NEED FOR IT AND WITH THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, UM, BUT AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE CENTER AS IT SITS NOW, UM, IT'S, IT'S VERY LIMITED. [00:50:01] I'LL JUST SAY THAT. AND IT'S, SO, OKAY, WELL WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE ON. AND I'M GONNA ASK, I'M GONNA, MR. WALLACE SPEAK TO THIS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY MADE A DECISION, SO, BUT YOU CAN SPEAK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO STILL SPEAK. WE GOTTA MOVE ON. NO, YOU, YOU, YOU KIND COVERED WHAT, SO WE CONTACT WHO MEETING? UH, NO, UH, IF YOU, UH, WOULD CONTACT ME, UM, AND THEN WE'LL SET ME WITH, UH, STAFF, UM, AND TALK ABOUT, I MEAN, REALLY WHERE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO, WOULD WANT THIS TO GO IS IF YOU WANT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE B ONE AND THE CONDITIONAL USES AND SEE IF THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THE CONDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, USE CAPABILITY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ON THE C1 THAT COULD BE POSSIBLY INCLUDED IN, INTO THE B INTO THE B ONE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE LAUNDROMATS THAT WOULD BE, OR CLEANERS ANY OF THOSE OR NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU KNOW? YES, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. OKAY. SO I'LL GET THAT. BUT THE, AND I'LL HAVE MR. D WHERE WE, WHERE WE WANT TO TRY TO GET IS TO A WIN-WIN. OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION SO WE CAN TRY TO SEE, UH, WE WANT, WE WANT THE, WE WANT, AGAIN, I SAID THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IS A CORNERSTONE FOR THE GROWTH OF PLANTATION. I'VE WALKED IT WITH HIM. AND SO, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE WANTING TO, UH, I THINK WE WOULD BE OPEN TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. YEAH. AND CUZ HE IS DEFINITELY WANTING TO LEASE IT. HE'S, YOU KNOW, FOR HIS STORAGE WAS HIS LAST RESORT. HE JUST NEEDS SOME INCOME COMING IN. OKAY. INSTEAD OF, SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. SO I'LL, I'LL CONTACT, UH, CITY MANAGER. WE'LL GO HERE. I APPRECIATE Y'ALL SIGN AND, AND, AND YOUR INFORMATION TONIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE'RE [3. Approve letters of support for Brazosport Water Authority’s (BWA) grant applications for BWA water line to Angleton and BWA desalination project – Modesto Mundo] GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREES. APPROVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR, UH, BRAS SUPPORT WATER AUTHORITY, UH, GRANT APPLICATION FOR BWA WATER LINE TO ENGLETON AND BWA WATER BWA DESALINATION PROJECT. THE BWA HAS REACHED OUT TO US. UH, THEY ARE SEEKING, UH, FUNDING, GRANT FUNDING, I GUESS FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. UM, AND THEY'VE, UM, ARE ASKING FOR SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITIES FOR TWO PROJECTS. THE FIRST IS A 48 INCH PIPELINE EXTENSION, UH, TO ENGLETON. UH, THEY WOULD SERVE ENGLETON, I THINK, AND PORTIONS OF, UH, OUR GROWTH CORRIDOR. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE IS OF COURSE THE, UM, BRACKETS DESALINIZATION, UH, PROJECT. UM, AND THEN THE REPRESENTATIVES OF BWA ARE REPRESENTATIVE AND, UH, MR. PORTER ARE, ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. YEAH. IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND JUST EXPLAIN TO US WHY YOU NEED THE LETTER AND SO FORTH. KIND RESTATE WHAT MODESTO DID. BUT YEAH, IT'S OFFICIAL FROM YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT, UH, REPRE. WE'VE REACHED OUT TO CONGRESSMAN RANDY WEBER. CAN YOUR NAME AND, UH, SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? UH, RONNIE WOODRUFF, GENERAL MANAGER OF BRASS SUPPORT WATER AUTHORITY. SORRY, I KNOW YOU QUITE A FEW. YEAH. UH, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO CONGRESSMAN RANDY WEBER ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GRANT FUNDING TO HELP US ALONG WITH SOME OF THE PROJECTS. UH, ONE OF THE PROJECTS IS THE 48 INCH LINE FROM BWA TO HENDERSON ROAD IN ENGLETON TO CONNECT IT TO THE 42 INCH. IT WAS PART OF THE NORTHERN REGIONAL PIPELINE. THAT PIPELINE COULD BE USED FOR GROWTH IN THE NORTHERN PART OF LAKE JACKSON UP AROUND THE AIRPORT AT Y'ALL'S WATER PLANT THREE AREA. IT WOULD ALSO BE USED TO MOVE MORE WATER TO ANGLETON AND THEN ONTO AUSTINTOWN PUMP STATION TO HELP WITH THE 2 88, UH, RESIDENTS COME DOWN TO 2 88. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. ANGLETON HAS HAD A WATER STUDY DONE THAT SHOWED THEY'RE GONNA NEED, UH, APPROXIMATELY 7.4 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER A DAY. THEIR CURRENT CONTRACTS 2.3, SO THAT'S A LOT OF WATER TO MOVE DOWN THE PIPELINE. UH, THE SECOND PART OF IT WAS THE, UH, GRANT FUNDS FOR THE BRACKISH GROUNDWATER DESALINATION FACILITY. WE'RE CURRENTLY, WE HAVE THREE WELLS IN, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE FOURTH WELL IN. UH, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR, OUR PILOT PLANT. OUR PILOT PLANT COMING IN. IT'LL BE HERE IN JUNE. AND WE'LL DO THE PILOT PLANT AND WE'LL FINISH UP WITH THE DESIGN AFTER WE DO THE TESTING WITH THE PILOT PLANT FOR THE INITIAL 6 MILLION GALLON, UH, DESAL FACILITY. UH, TALKED WITH, UH, MR. WEBER ON THAT AND HE OFFERED, WELL, IF WE PUT AN APPLICATION IN FOR, FOR THAT PROJECT, WE COULD GO AHEAD AND PUT, GET THE MONEY FOR THE ADDITIONAL WELL TO BE REQUIRED AND BUILD IT AND DO THE TOTAL BUILDOUT TO 12 MILLION GALLONS THAT WAS ORIGINALLY [00:55:01] DESIGNED FOR THAT FACILITY. SO OUR THOUGHT WAS, IF HE'S GONNA TRY AND HELP US GET GRANT MONEY TO BUILD IT OUT, THAT'S MONEY. I'M NOT GONNA HAVE TO COME TO Y'ALL TO, TO FAR IT'S BONDS WE DON'T HAVE TO SELL. AND IT'S A WIN-WIN FOR ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS. SO I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING FOR Y'ALL'S SUPPORT ON THE GRANT APPLICATIONS, AND IF WE DON'T GET IT, WE DON'T GET IT. IT DOESN'T HURT ANYBODY, BUT IF WE DO GET IT, IT'S A BIG WIN. FAR AS THE WHOLE BRAS PORT AREA. YEAH. I'M ALL FOR BRINGING OUR MONEY HOME ALL FOR BRINGING HOME FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WELL, THE THING IS, UH, HO UH, JOKE WITH THE MAYOR OF LAKE OF ENGLETON ABOUT IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THEY CAN ALWAYS, THEY CAN, THEY CAN BUILD ALL THE HOUSES THEY WANT OVER THERE, JUST COME TO LAKE JACKSON TO, TO BUY STUFF. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. SO THAT'S GOOD. YES. . BUT ANYWAY, SO ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, THE REASONING AND HAUL THE WATER? THEY'RE GONNA BE PUMPING OUTTA BRAS. WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY MORE WATER IN THE BRAS. WELL, THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE BUILDING THE OTHER SIX METERS GALLON OF DIESEL SOUTH FACILITY. SOUNDS WHAT'LL DO THAT. SO HOW IS THAT DO SOUTH FACILITY COMING ALONG? IT'S COMING ALONG MUCH ABOUT IT. IT'S COMING ALONG WELL. IT GOT HELD UP WITH ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. I KNOW WHEN YOU WORKED OUT AT THE PLANT, Y'ALL SAW ALL KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WEEDED TO IT TOOK FOUR AND A HALF YEARS TO GET A CORP GET THE CORE TO, UH, TO CLEAR OUR PROPERTY THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN CLEARED BACK IN 1985. SO THEY HAD TO GO BACK AND REDO IT. AND WE HAD TO DO THE ARCHEOLOGICAL, THE, HIS, THE HISTORICAL STUDIES EV ALL THE STUDIES HAD TO BE DONE AGAIN. AND, UH, SO THAT SLOWED US DOWN FOUR AND A HALF YEARS RIGHT THERE. THEN ABOUT THE TIME WE GOT THAT DONE, COVID HIT. SO WE'RE MOVING ALONG NOW. LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT, UH, WE'VE GOT THREE OF THE WELLS FOR THE FIRST PART OF THE PROJECT. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DRILLED. WE'RE OUT BY, DOWN BY THE RIVER ON 2004. SOME OF Y'ALL MAY HAVE SEEN OUR FACILITY IN THERE ON THE LAND WE LEASED FROM THE, UH, FROM Y'ALL. UH, THOSE TWO WELLS ARE DRILLED. THE, UH, WELLHEAD PROJECT IS JUST ABOUT COMPLETE. I'M TOLD THAT WE'LL HAVE, UH, PUMPS AND MOTORS BY MID-APRIL TO PUT DOWN THERE SO WE CAN START. AND, UH, THEY SHOULD BE INSTALLED AND READY TO GO WHEN THE PILOT PLANT GETS HERE SO WE CAN START PUMPING AND START OUR PILOT PLANT TESTING. BUT IT'S MOVING ALONG. I CAN'T SAY IT'S ON SCHEDULE. IT IS WAY BEHIND LIKE MOST PROJECTS, BUT, UM, OKAY. THE, IT'S JUST BEEN A, IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM GETTING TO PUMP SOME MOTORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM THREE, I'D LIKE TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, BOTH LETTERS OF SUPPORT. MR. MAYOR, I HAVE TO REQUEST THAT WE, UH, APPROVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR BRASSFORD WATER AUTHORITY GRANT APPLICATIONS FOR BWA WATERED LINE TO ANGLETON AND BWA DESALINIZATION PROJECT SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION FROM, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER SINNIA AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SETH. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSE? ALL RIGHT. MOTION APPROVED. WE'RE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIR, IF YOU HANG HERE A SECOND, I'LL GIVE YOU THESE LETTERS SO YOU CAN TAKE THOSE WITH YOU. BRING OUR MONEY HOME. YEP, MA'AM. YEAH, BRING AS MUCH AS I CAN. THIS WORKS. WE'LL TRY AGAIN NEXT YEAR. DO I NEED TO HAND THEM BACK TO THE WATER. TURNS IN TO GO, HUH? BIG DEAL. WE PRINTED OPEN, WE WHISKEYS FOR DRINKING, WATER FIGHTING. REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM [4. Discuss animal control facility bids and path forward - Modesto Mundo] FOUR. UH, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, THE ANIMAL ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY BIDS AND PATH FORWARD IN DESKTOP. WELL, WE HAD OUR SECOND BID OPENING, UH, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AND OUR LOW BID WAS, UM, ALMOST 6.3 MILLION. OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW, CONSTRUCTION BUDGET REMAINING AFTER DESIGN IS 3.4. SO WE'RE APPROXIMATELY 3 MILLION SHORT. UH, IN THAT REGARD, WE HAD, UH, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE ARCHITECT WHO IS ADAMANT THAT THAT COST IS, CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN. UM, WE HAD HAD BIDS DURING THE SUMMER AND THEY'D GONE UP SINCE THEN. UH, AMART WAS THE LOW BIDDER AT THAT TIME, AND SO THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE SUMMER TO NOW IS 1.3 MILLION. IT'S GONE UP. UM, THE RECOMMENDATION NOW FROM STAFF IS TO PAUSE AND THEN GO OUT FOR RFQ, UH, WHICH IS A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION FOR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT [01:00:01] RISK. UM, THAT IS SIMILAR HOW WE BUILT THE MUNICIPAL COURT. AND IN THAT WE, WE GO OUT AND SELECT A, UM, CONTRACTOR, UM, BASED ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, AND THEN THEY WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO LOWER THE COSTS. UM, ANY, UH, DESIGN, I MEAN ANY VALUE ENGINEERING ON THERE. AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE US A DETAILED BID, UM, BASED ON, UM, THEIR UNDERSTANDING PROJECT AND A GUARANTEED CONSTRUCTION, MAXIMUM CONSTRUCTION PRICE FOR THE PROJECT. UH, SO WE ALREADY KNOW THE HIGH AMOUNT AND SEE IF WE CAN BEAT, UM, THAT, UH, BASE, BASE BID. UH, AGAIN, THE ARCHITECT IS, BELIEVES VERY MUCH THAT THEY CAN SH SHAVE OFF. UM, A LARGE CHUNK OF THAT, I'M SKEPTICAL AND MAYBE THERE'S A MILLION DOLLARS IN SAVINGS, UH, THERE. UH, SO I'LL SEE IF THEY CAN SURPRISE ME. BUT IT'S OUR, PROBABLY OUR LAST CHANCE TO SEE IF WE CAN TRY TO SAVE SOME FUNDS WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT, AT TAPPING, UM, ANY OF OUR POTENTIAL SAVINGS FROM THE END OF THE YEAR. WE ESTIMATE, YOU KNOW, THIS PAST YEAR WE'RE GONNA TRANSFER. WE HAVE 1.3 MILLION TO TRANSFER TO CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR AMERICAN RELIEF FUNDS THAT ARE UNACCOUNTED FOR AT ALMOST 4 MILLION, UH, THAT WE COULD USE. SO I'D LIKE TO USE AS LITTLE AS WE HAVE TO ON THIS PROJECT. UM, BUT, UM, THIS WOULD BE THE, OUR RECOMMENDED PATH FORWARD. BUT IS THIS THE SAME PROBLEM WE HAD WITH THE LAST BUILDING? WE WENT WITH THE CHEAPER ROUTING. WE GOT A CHEAP BUILDING AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE SITUATION WE'RE IN NOW. YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ANIMAL CONTROL? YES. YEAH. UM, WE DID A DESIGN BUILD ON, ON THAT. WE DIDN'T DO A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. I THINK PROBABLY OUR, YOU KNOW, REALLY OUR MISTAKE ON THAT ONE WAS WE WORKED WITH SOMEONE THAT WAS FROM ARIZONA AND THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE IN THE WET ENVIRONMENT THAT THAT WE HAD. SO WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS. AND THEN WE HAD SOME DESIGN CHANGES ON, ON THE WAY WHERE WE, THE, THE BACK OF THE FACILITY WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE AIR CONDITIONED. AND THEN WE CHANGED, AND THEN WE AIR CONDITION, AIR CONDITION IN AREA THAT REALLY WASN'T DESIGNED, DESIGNED TO, DESIGNED TO. SO I THINK THERE WAS A MULTITUDE OF, YOU KNOW, MISTAKES THAT LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T DO AGAIN. I THINK THE DESIGN'S GOOD. THE QUESTION IS JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, CAN, IS IT AFFORDABLE? I MEAN, CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE RISEN QUITE A BIT IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THREE AND A HALF YEARS, FOUR YEARS WHEN WE HAD THE, THE INITIAL EST ESTIMATE FROM MADDI SCOTIA, UH, DOING THAT. SO THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMATIC IN, IN THAT REGARD. I, I DO, WE HAVE TALKED TO SOME OF THE, THE CONSTRUCTION FIRMS. SO I THINK THERE IS POTENTIAL TO DO SOME VALUE ENGINEERING, BUT WE REALLY JUST NEED TO CONNECT, YOU KNOW, IN A DIFFERENT WAY, A CONSTRUCTION FIRM WITH THE ARCHITECT TO EXPLORE THOSE. WHAT WOULD THE COST BE TO, TO DO THIS RIGHT NOW, UH, THE ARCHITECT HAS NOT PROPOSED, UH, A COST FOR THAT. UM, WE WILL HAVE SOME REDESIGN COST FROM THEIR SUBS. UM, YOU KNOW, SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S FOUND FOR VALUE ENGINEERING, LET'S SAY THE FOUNDATION, UH, YOU WOULD, UM, THEIR STRUCTURAL, YOU KNOW, ENGINEER WILL MOST LIKELY, YOU KNOW, WANT TO BE PAID FOR REDESIGN, REDESIGN THOSE ELEMENTS, WOULD WE KNOW THAT AMOUNT OF FRONT BEFORE WE SIGN ON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT? NO. UH, THEY WON'T KNOW THAT UNTIL WE SELECT, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, A VENDOR OR A CONTRACTOR THAT STARTS, UM, YOU KNOW, INTERFACING WITH THEM TO GIVE THEIR IDEAS WHERE, WHERE THEY ARE. UM, I STILL THINK IT WILL BE MINIMAL BECAUSE, UH, THOSE COSTS WILL BE FROM THE SUBS AND NOT, NOT THE ARCHITECT. BECAUSE A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE DOING THAT NOW, GOING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, WITH THE, THE MAJOR RISK CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. SO THAT'S A GREAT PROCESS TO GO THROUGH TO CONTROL COST, COST ESCALATION, I SHOULD SAY. UH, BUT NOT REALLY CO COST CONTROL. SO I MEAN, SO IF YOUR CURRENT COST IS HIGH ALREADY, SO WE WORRIED ABOUT ESCALATION, UH, THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK, WE STILL GOTTA GET THE COST DOWN FOR IT TO BE ABLE TO WORK. I DON'T WANNA SPEND ANY MONEY ON, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO DO IT, WELL, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, I MEAN THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'VE HELD OFF ON RECOMMENDING ANY USE OF AMERICAN RELIEF FUNDS UNTIL WE GET THIS PROJECT DONE. THIS PROJECT IS A PROJECT THAT HAS TO BE DONE, YOU KNOW, AND SO FOR A FASHION, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ISSUED, YOU KNOW, ISSUED THE DEBT. OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR OTHER OPTION IS TO GO BACK INTO THE CURRENT FACILITY AND [01:05:01] NO. AND DO THAT. BUT I JUST DON'T THINK THAT'S OPTION. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. SO, UM, BUT WE CAN BE IN THAT. I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY DOESN'T LIKE THAT IDEA, BUT WE'RE PAYING THEM $300,000 A YEAR. I MEAN, HOW MANY YEARS OF THAT CAN WE SUSTAIN BEFORE WE'RE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO 6.2 MILLION FOR AN ANIMAL CONTROLLED BUILDING? I JUST CAN'T STOMACH SPENDING THAT MUCH MONEY FOR THAT. IT'S DOUBLE WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. I UNDERSTAND. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS OR YOUR AMERICAN RELIEF MONEY, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT, HOW MANY PROJECTS COULD WE DO WITH ALL OF THAT? TONS AND TONS OF CAPITAL PROJECTS VERSUS THROWING IT ALL AT THIS ONE BUILDING THAT'S, YEAH, THIS PROJECT IS MORPHED INTO KIND OF A BEAST. WHY CAN'T WE, I MEAN, JUST HOLDING FOR, FOR A WHILE HOPING THAT THE COST WOULD COME DOWN. I MEAN, NOBODY'S GONNA LIKE THIS IDEA, BUT YOU, WE COULD PAY THE BOND BACK. WE COULD PAY IT BACK EARLY. AGREED. I MEAN, AND HERE'S MY THOUGHT WITH THAT. IF WE PAID THE BOND BACK EARLY, I THINK THE CITIZENS WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT MOVE. IF YOU SAY, HEY, IT'S GONNA COST DOUBLE WHAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO, IF WE PAY THE BONDS BACK, WE DO HAVE A PLAN COMING WHERE WE'RE GONNA RE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BID, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BOND FOR THE NEW PD. I MEAN, WE COULD TRY AND LUMP THIS INTO THAT AT THAT POINT, PUT IT ALL IN ONE BUILDING AND MAYBE SAVE SOME MONEY. THERE'S OPTIONS. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL VIABLE OPTIONS. I THINK, UH, THE NEXT STEP THOUGH, WOULD, IS STILL TO TRY THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE AT A BETTER PRICE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, UM, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE RFQ PROCESS, WE CAN SELECT A CONTRACTOR. UM, WE PAY THEM A MODEST FEE FOR GUARANTEED, UH, CONSTRUCT, UH, UM, A PRICE. USUALLY IT'S AROUND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE LAST ONE IT WAS, IT WAS 15, UH, TO $20,000 WHERE WE'RE PAYING 'EM FOR THEIR LEGWORK TO GO THROUGH THE, UH, THE, UM, THE PLANTS AND STUFF AND GIVING, GIVING A PRICE. AND THEN WE CAN REALLY SEE IF WE CAN SHAVE OFF WHAT THE ARCHITECT IS AND COME BACK WITH MAYBE SOMETHING THAT IS DOABLE, UH, VERSUS THE 6.23. IF WE DON'T, THEN WE DON'T KNOW AT ALL. AND SO IT'S AT LEAST WORTH AN EXERCISE THAT YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO ANYTHING OF TRYING TO SEE IF YOU CAN WORK WITH A, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A BETTER PRICE THROUGH VALUE ENGINEERING. IF WE CAN'T, THEN THAT'LL BE A DECISION MAKING POINT, UH, TO DO THE PROJECT OR NOT. SO 15 TO $20,000 IS FAIR AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND TO SEE IF IT'S A VIABLE OPTION TO PROCEED WITH THIS. CAUSE WE DO NEED IT. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHEN DO WE NEED IT, YOU KNOW? SO WHAT SPECIFICS HAS THE ARCHITECT, CAUSE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT SEVERAL TIMES, THAT THE ARCHITECT FEELS LIKE THIS CAN BE DONE LESS EXPENSIVE. WHAT SPECIFICS HAS HE GIVEN? HOW DOES HE THINK THAT CAN BE DONE? WHERE DOES HE THINK COST CAN BE CUT? I, HIS BELIEF IS REALLY NOT IN THE VALUE OF ENGINEERING. HIS BELIEF IS JUST BECAUSE HE'S BUILT, YOU KNOW, A, YOU KNOW, A FACILITY BEFORE WHERE IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, LOWER AND HE'S BUILDING A SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION TYPE USING THE SAME MATERIALS RIGHT NOW IN NEW BRONZEVILLE, THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, NOT AN ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, BUT BUILT IN THE SAME WAY. AND THE BUDGET IS, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 30 TO 40% CHEAPER. AND HE'S ALSO, HE HAS A DEVELOPMENT ARM, A CONSTRUCTION ARM WHERE THEY, WHERE THEY BUILD CONSTRUCTION. SO HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH CONSTRUCTION, SO HE'S ADAMANT THAT THE COSTS ARE JUST SIMPLY TOO HIGH, BUT WITHOUT A, YOU KNOW, A DETAILED BIDS, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC, I MEAN, I GUESS BID SUBMITTAL, THEY'RE KIND OF AT A LOSS OF, OF, OF WHY. UH, AND SO HE'S, HIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO TRY THIS AND TEAM UP WITH A CONTRACTOR TO GO THROUGH AND SEE IF THEY CAN WORK THROUGH THE VALUE ENGINEERING AND SEE BASICALLY, SO BASICALLY TO BE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GO BASICALLY LINE BY LINE YES. TO THAT DETAIL TO FIND OUT WHERE THE CONTRACTORS ARE IDENTIFYING HIGHER COST THAN WHAT HE THINKS IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE. AND THE CONTRACTOR COULD ALSO TELL HIM THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PORTION OF THE FOUNDATION'S COMPLICATED. IF YOU CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ELIMINATED THIS RIGHT, YOU COULD SAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OR 200,000, LIKE THE TRENCHING OR WHATEVER. THE TRENCHING, THE ROOF, WE THINK THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THAT YOU'RE CALLING FOR IS TOO. I IS [01:10:01] YOUR, YOU KNOW, IS YOUR GOAL TO GET R 25? WELL, WE THINK WE CAN SHAVE OFF THIS AMOUNT IF WE GO WITH AN ALTERNATE, YOU KNOW, METHOD. THOSE ARE ALL DISCUSSIONS THAT CAN'T TAKE PLACE IN THE BIDDING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, HERE. AND SO WE'VE HEARD A LITTLE BIT OF THAT FROM DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS, UH, OF THAT. BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT, THERE'S JUST NOT A, A WAY FOR THEM TO CONVERSE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THIS BID SCENARIO. SO I THINK THE WAY TO, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU, MODESTO, IS LIKE WHAT WE HAVE IS A LUMP SUM BID. YES. SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS A TIME AND MATERIALS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER WHO WOULD ASSIST US TO MEET THOSE TIME AND MATERIAL COSTS GUARANTEED OVER CERT FOR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE. WHAT THEY DO IS, UM, THEY GO OUT FOR THEIR OWN SUBCONTRACTOR BIDS AND, BUT, AND THEY GUARANTEE A SURPRISE. AND IF THEY, THEY GO OVER THAT, WE DON'T PAY IT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY IS AT RISK. YEAH. SO MOSTLY TIME AND MATERIAL, YOU HAVE MORE DETAILED ENGINEERING AND, AND COST CONSTRUCTION VERSUS A LUMP SUM BIT, RIGHT? SO, MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, SO NOW THE ODD THING HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, NORMALLY YOU WOULD DO THIS AT THE BEGINNING, WE'RE AT A HUNDRED PERCENT DRAWINGS. SO NOW WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REALLY GOING BACK AND SAYING THEY'RE PRELIMINARY AND WE'RE GIVING THEM TO THEM AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU PICK A CONTRACTOR CUZ YOU CANNOT PICK A CONTRACTOR ON PRICE. HERE ARE YOUR, YOU'RE YOU'RE INTERVIEWING THEM AND YOU'RE PICKING THEM BASED ON THEY'RE EXPERIENCE AND QUALIFICATIONS, AND THEN YOU TEAM UP WITH THEM AND THEN THEY WORK WITH AGAIN, THE ARCHITECT TO SEE ARE THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO BRING THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, BACK INTO, AS CLOSE TO THE BUDGET AS POSSIBLE. AND AT SOME POINT IN TIME THEY GIVE YOU A PRICE AND THEN YOU DECIDE YES OR NO. SO BACK IN 2008, THAT SERVICE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND STUFF, COST US 11,005. SO THAT SHOULD BE BASED ON THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY, NO, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE COST OF THE PROJECT AT THE TIME. OKAY. BECAUSE THEY HADN'T DONE ANY, DO YOU? I HAVE NO, I I IT'S A MYSTERY WHERE THE NUMBER CAME FROM FOR ME. I GUESS IT'S, IT WAS 11 FIVE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION HERE OR YOU'RE LOOKING FOR GUEST DIRECTION, WHAT IT SAYS DISCUSS, I MEAN, JUST DIRECT OUR CONSENSUS OF DO WE WANT TO, IF YOU'RE OPEN TO THAT, THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH EXPLORING THAT. UM, WE'LL, UM, AT THE NEXT MEETING, WE WILL BRING BACK, UH, THESE BIDS, UH, RECOMMENDING TO REJECT THEM, UM, AND THEN TRY THIS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. IT DOES DELAY THE PROJECT PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS. UH, WELL, I'D SAY SIX BY THE TIME, IF YOU LIKE THE PRICE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY IT CAME DOWN TO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AND SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S DOABLE. WE CAN DO SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS, NOT 3 MILLION AND WE'LL GO AHEAD. I WOULD SAY THAT PROCESS IS GONNA TAKE, YOU KNOW, SIX MONTHS BY THE TIME YOU EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH, YOU KNOW, A FINAL CONTRACT AND THEN START, YOU KNOW, START CONSTRUCTION. YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE HAVE THESE NUMBERS, LIKE MR. BLANCHARD SAID, IF THE PRICE IS STILL $6 MILLION, WE CAN, UH, RECONSIDER THAT PROJECT AT THAT TIME. SO YEAH, NO HARM, NO FOUL. IT'S WORTH PUTTING IN THAT EFFORT BEFORE WE DRAW BACK IN POINT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR THE DISCUSSION FOLKS. THANK YOU. MOVE ON TO, UH, [5. Award bid to IEConi Infrastructure Engineering & Construction for wastewater treatment plant headworks rehabilitation in an amount not to exceed $2,895,969 as budgeted – Deb Webb] ITEM FIVE, UH, AWARD BID TO IE CONNIE. HMM, IE. CONEY. YEAH, YOU GO INFRASTRUCTURE, ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, HEADWORKS REHABILITATION IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,895,000 AND 90. ANYWAY, YOU SEE THE NUMBERS 9 69, THAT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS. IT IS. SO TWO, ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO, UM, WE OPENED THE BIDS FOR THE HEADWORKS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. WE GOT TWO BIDS. UM, THEY WERE WITHIN LESS THAN 2% OF EACH OTHER, SO THEY WERE RIGHT ON TOP OF OTHER, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING SO CLOSE EVER. WHEN WE OPENED THEM, WE WERE REALLY SURPRISED. BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, THE ENGINEER'S OPINION OF PROBABLE CONSTRUCTION COST WAS 1.5. SO AGAIN, MUCH HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED. 91% HIGHER THAN ANTICIPATED. UM, ACON WAS THE LOW, UH, BID ON THAT JOB, AND THEY DID COME IN AT 2.895. SO, UH, WE HAVE HAD A FOLLOW UP MEETING WITH HR GREEN, THE ENGINEERING FIRM THAT PUT THE PACKET TOGETHER FOR THE CONTRACTORS. UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS AGAIN, TRYING TO LOOK FOR COST SAVINGS, BUT THE PROJECT IS JUST NOT VERY COMPLICATED. THE [01:15:01] PROJECT REALLY CONSISTS OF BUILDING A, UH, A BYPASS SYSTEM, AND THAT'S A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE COST. WE HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO DIVERT ALL THAT FLOW COMING TO THE PLANT WHILE THE PLANT STAYS EMPTY. SO WE CAN DO THIS RECON TO IT. UM, THE REST IS BASICALLY CONCRETE WORK COATING GATES, SOME VALVES AND SOME PIPING WORK. THERE'S, I MEAN, IT, SO WHEN YOU, YOU START TRYING TO CUT, THERE'S, THERE'S JUST NOT A P A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE COULD CUT. UM, MOSTLY EQUIPMENT. IT'S, YEAH, THE, THERE'S NOT, I MEAN THERE'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF EQUIPMENT INVOLVED. THERE'S JUST GATES LIGHTING AT THE HEADWORKS. UH, WE'RE NOT REDOING ANY SCRUBBERS UP TOP OR ANY OF THAT. THIS IS JUST, WE TRIED TO CUT THIS PROJECT DOWN TO BEGIN WITH TO MAKE IT REALLY SIMPLE. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND YOU'RE ASKING THEM, HEY, WHAT CAN YOU CUT OUT TO BRING THIS COST DOWN? UM, THERE'S NOT A LOT THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. HAVE WE HAD ANY HISTORY WITH THIS COMPANY BEFORE THEY WON THE BEACHWOOD CHEMICAL BUILDING, UM, CONTRACT, AND THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT AS WE SPEAK. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM NOW. NO. THEIR, THEIR SUBMITTALS ARE ON POINT. THEY ARE, THEIR PAPERWORK IS GOOD. THEY'RE, THEY'RE DOING, DOING A GOOD JOB RIGHT NOW. THIS BYPASS THAT WE'RE INSTALLING, IS IT SOMETHING THAT, UH, WILL STAY THERE AND BE USED LATER? OR IS IT SOMETHING REMOVED? YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THAT TALK, UM, YOU SHOULDN'T NEED TO LOO TO USE IT FOR 20 YEARS. UM, SO WE CAN LEAVE IT. IT'S NOT BENEFICIAL TO US UNLESS WE SHUT DOWN EVERY MASTER LIFT STATION COMING TO THE PLANT. SO, UH, THE PLAN IS TO TAKE IT DOWN WHEN WE GET FINISHED. THAT'S A LOT CHEAPER NOW THAN IT WILL BE IN 20 YEARS THOUGH. YEAH. . OH YEAH. I THINK WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT 20 YEARS. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS THE PROJECT THAT IS BEING FUNDED WITH OUR 6 MILLION ISSUANCE. SO THIS IS THE FIRST PROJECT OUT OF IT. ELECTRICAL REPAIR IS THE OTHER. BUT AGAIN, AS DE DILUTED TO, EVEN WITH THE ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE OF LAST YEAR, IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER. SO WHAT IT MEANS GOING FORWARD IS WE'LL HAVE TO JUST, WE'LL, OUR SIX MAIN ISSUE WILL GO LESS THAN WHAT WE ANTICIPATED, UH, GOING FORWARD IN LIKE 6 MILLION, I IMAGINE NUMBER HUH? . YEAH. YEAH. FOR NOW, DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THE ENGINEERS ARE MISSING IT BY 91%? IS THERE, IS THERE A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT THE, THE ENGINEERING GROUP OF THE WORLD THINKS THAT THE CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE GROUP OF THE WORLD THINKS? WHAT I, I THINK THAT WITH THE DELAYS, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE, UM, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF THIS PROJECT, UM, THE LOW BIDDER CAME IN WITH 365 DAYS. SO THEY'RE COVERING 365 DAYS. IT, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE PROJECT COULD BE DONE IN SIX MONTHS, BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT WHEN CAN WE GET THE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE THE ORDER, ARE THEY GONNA STAY ON TRACK OR ARE THEY GONNA GET SIDELINES AND HAVE DELAYS? SO, UM, THAT'S THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT KIND OF STRETCHES THINGS MAYBE AS, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I TALKED ABOUT MAYBE NOT GIVING THEM A NOTICE TO PROCEED UNTIL THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GOOD ESTIMATE WHEN THEY ORDER THESE GATES. IS IT REALLY GONNA BE FOUR MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS? AND WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE MEANTIME WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON CERTAIN PRODUCTS? SO THAT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF IT, I THINK IS THE UNCERTAINTY WITH THE SHIPPING AND THE PARTS AND THE PIECES. SO, UM, VALVES MAY BE A DELAY, PIPING MAY BE A DELAY. UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY WON'T KNOW UNTIL THEY, THEY GET, YOU KNOW, A CONTRACT AND THEN THEY START TRYING TO SECURE PRODUCT. SO MY SUSPICION ALSO IS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION FIRMS THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, LOST A LOT ON PAST PROJECTS AFTER RIGHT. YOU KNOW, DURING COVID AND STUFF AND THEY'RE MAKING IT BACK. THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT BACK ON EVERY FUTURE PROJECT OR AT LEAST COVER THEIR BASES SINCE THEY WERE BURNED ON SEVERAL. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, BUT I'M JUST GUESS, YOU KNOW, WE SEE A LOT OF CONTRACTORS IN THE AREA THAT ARE JUST BARELY MAKING A BY ON A PROJECT BY BID FOUR YEARS AGO. OKAY. THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE SIDE. THE ONLY OTHER ONE I HAVE WAS, IS, IS TWO BIDS? IS THAT OUR NORMAL RESPONSE? YEAH. UM, WE WERE, WE WERE [01:20:01] HAPPY TO GET THE TWO. UM, I WAS HOPING FOR TWO, UM, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS FOR MORE, BUT I KIND OF FIGURED WE'D GET TO, UM, AND I WAS HAPPY TO GET 'EM CUZ IT COULD HAVE JUST BEEN ONE. UM, AS, AS PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS, THEY GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE. WE HAVE PROBABLY 30 PEOPLE, 30 DIFFERENT COMPANIES DOWNLOAD THE PLANS AND EXPRESS INTEREST AND ASK QUESTIONS. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE FINAL, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO BID. THEY, THEY PULL IT, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T COME THROUGH WITH A, A BID. SO. INTERESTING. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM STILL? MAYOR, I MOVE TO AWARD BID TO THE I E CONNIE INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION FOR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT HEADWORKS REHABILITATION IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,895,969 AS BUDGETED. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION FROM OUR COUNCILMAN MEMBER, UH, SINNIA. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN BAKER. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOS. ALL RIGHT. QUESTION CARRIES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL [6. Construction Updates] RIGHT. CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. SO I'VE BEEN GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, DOWNTOWN ON, UH, THE STRIPING AND THE LIGHTING. AND YOU, IT'S IN OUR PACKET, BUT COULD JUST GO THERE REAL QUICK ON OKAY. STRIPING OF PARKINSON. CORRECT. THE, THE STRIPING TYPICALLY, TYPICALLY HAPPENS AT THE VERY END OF THE DAY, UH, ANY, AT THE END OF THE PROJECT, WHENEVER EVERY OTHER SUBCONTRACTOR IS GONNA BE DOING THE WORK IN THERE, IT IS OFF THE AREA. SO THEY DON'T DAMAGE WHATEVER THEY ACTUALLY DO. TYPICALLY. THAT'S THE WAY THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY APPROACH THAT, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY WERE, SINCE, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF CLEARING THE, UH, THAT WAY PORTION OF IT. UH, THE, UH, THE, UH, CVS SIDE OF IT. UH, THE CONTRACTOR, THE STOPPING CONTRACT WAS PLANNING ON POSSIBLY MOVING IN THERE BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE HAPPENS THERE. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S GONNA BE SOME, UH, DRAINAGE, UH, SOME, UH, LANDSCAPING WORK THAT'S GONNA BE HAPPENING AT THAT TIME. FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, UH, THE ELECTRICAL WORK AS FOR THE MOST PART BEING DONE IN THAT GENERAL AREA. UH, SO THEY WILL BE COMING IN, UH, THEY WERE PLANNING BEING HERE, UH, UH, THIS PART, THIS, UH, ABOUT THIS WEEK OR SO. UH, THE REMAINING PORTION IS STILL OUT THERE BECAUSE OF THE POSSIBILITIES OF ALL THESE OTHER SUBCONTRACTORS THAT, LET ME CLARIFY. YES. AND YOU SAY THEY WERE COMING IN, THEY WERE COMING IN JUST TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE? OR WERE THEY ACTUALLY COMING IN TO DO SOME PAINTING? WERE THEY WERE PLANNING ON COMING DOWN AND DOING SOMETHING TO THAT PORTION OF THAT WHILE IT'S, WHILE IT'S CLEAN AND IT'S, EVERYONE'S OUT OF THE WAY. OKAY. BUT THE REMAINING PORTION THERE, WE'RE GONNA BE WAITING ON THE OTHER PEOPLE TO JUST GET OUT OF THERE RIGHT THERE WAY, UH, ON THE ELECTRICAL, WE HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING YET AS FAR AS HOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN, UH, THE ACTUAL LIGHTING PORTION OF IT. UH, SO THAT IS, UH, THAT IS ALSO SOMETHING OUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, OUT IN THE WINGS THERE THAT WE SO ARE HOLDING UP ON THE ACTUAL FIXTURES, THE POLES AND STUFF? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ALREADY APP, I MEAN, OBTAINED THOSE THINGS. OKAY. I MEAN, THOSE, AND, AND, UH, THE CONTRACTORS GOT THE STREET LIGHT, THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHTS ALREADY IN IN STOCK. OKAY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR ALL THIS IN THERE AND CENTER AND CENTER POINT ON THE STREET LIGHTS. YEAH. AND THE STREET LI THE CENTER POINT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM THAT WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHEN THEY'RE MOVING. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING, BUT THE FOUNDATIONS ARE THERE. NO, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE, THEY'RE GONNA BE INSERTING TO SUPPOSE DIRECTLY BURIED. OKAY. THE PEDESTRIAN LIGHT FOUNDATIONS ARE THERE. YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. AND AS FAR AS THE PROGRESS ON THE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING ON THAT ONE, THE SIDEWALK WORK IS CONTINUING ON, ON THE, UH, CIRCLE WAY SIDE OF THINGS. UM, UH, THEY'RE FINISHING UP, THEY'RE CLOSING IN ON THE THINGS AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE KEEPING THE TRAFFIC HAPPENING, OPENING WITHOUT THAT, UH, WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS AT THIS TIME. UH, AND THEY'RE JUST PIECEMEALING ALL, EVERYTHING, THAT'S ALL THE OPEN GAPS THAT THEY'VE LEFT. UH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE GONNA START BUSTING THE, UH, FAM THE STEP FOUNDATIONS IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES ON, UH, PARK PLACE. THE VERY FIRST THING OKAY. AT THIS TODAY, THEY WERE FINISHING UP ON THE RAMP ON THE MAJOR CENTRAL RAMP THAT CROSSES, UH, NORTH [01:25:01] PARKING PLACE. AND THEN THEY WOULD BE HITTING THE FIRST LEVEL OF SIDEWALK, UH, AT THAT LOCATION THERE, WHICH IS THE STREET AT THE CURB LEVEL BEYOND THAT ONE. ONCE IT, ONCE THAT THING GETS CURED, THEN THEY WILL MOVE INTO THE ACTUAL DESTRUCTION OF THE, OF THE, UH, MEZZANINE AREA. ALRIGHT. HAVE WE CONTINUED ON WITH THE MEETINGS, THE MONTHLY MEETINGS? NO. NO. WE HAVE NOT CONTINUED ON THERE. NOBODY HAS EVER, NO. WE, WE, AT THE LAST MEETING, WE SAID, UM, LAST MONTH WE SAID WE WOULD STOP, UH, BECAUSE THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION'S NOW DONE AND WE'VE, UM, WE'RE FINISHING UP IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES ON CIRCLE WAY. YEAH. THE LAST PORTION REALLY IS, UH, IS ON NORTH PARKING PLACE. SO THERE REALLY WASN'T A, A NEED, YOU KNOW, TO MEET, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT IN TIME OF ADVISE HIM ON THE SCHEDULE. AND WE WERE IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS, AND AS FAR AS, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE PARTICIPATING IN IT, UH, CALLING US ABOUT SETTING UP ANOTHER MEETING. RIGHT. NOT THAT WE COULDN'T DO IT, BUT I MEAN, WE'VE GONE, YOU KNOW, WHEN CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO CHANGE, WE'LL GO DOOR TO DOOR AGAIN AND TALK TO THEM, UM, YOU KNOW, PARTICULARLY AND TALK TO ABOUT MAYBE THE PARTICULAR, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS. SO WHEN WE WERE, UH, WHEN WE WERE GETTING READY TO CLOSE DOWN THAT WAY, THEN WE TALKED TO ALL THE BUSINESSES ON CIRCLE WAY, LETTING THEM KNOW THE DRIVEWAY WAS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, AFFECTED. THE ONLY MAJOR THING THAT'S STILL OUTSTANDING THERE IS THAT THE PARKING AREA IN FRONT OF WHERE THE, UH, PIZZA PLACE IS, UM, ALL STAR, ALL STAR PIZZA. CORRECT. THAT'S, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK IN THERE AND REMOVE ALL THE CONCORDES IN THERE AND THEN, BUT AT LEAST THE PARKING WILL BE OPENED UP ALONG THAT WAY FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO PARK THERE AND WALK ACROSS INTO THOSE BUSINESSES. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE ONLY REMAINING THING THAT'S HA THAT, BUT THAT WORK IS BEING DONE BY THE SIDEWALK PEOPLE. SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE IN LIES WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE, UH, DRAWBACK IS AND, AND THE, AND THE TIME PROM THERE, WHERE WE'RE, WE MAY BE TALKING TO THE CONTRACTOR SHORTLY, OR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR TRYING TO SEE WHETHER THEY CAN DOUBLE UP ON THOSE FORCES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE SIDEWALK, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WELL, WE'RE GONNA FLIP THE SWITCH ON THE MIXERS, ON STORAGE TANKS, ON THE STORAGE TANK MIXERS. I THINK I HAVE A PERSON HERE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN IDEA WHERE IT STANDS. YOU'RE GONNA LIKE THIS. THEY, THEY'RE IN THE SCADAS RUNNING THEM. THEY ARE COMPLETE AND IT'S REALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE. WE'RE ABLE, THEY'RE, WE'RE ABLE TO HOLD A STEADY CHLORINE LEVEL USING THOSE. SO THAT'S GREAT. UM, REALLY PLEASED WITH THAT. UM, THE PROJECT IS NOT QUITE COMPLETE. WE'RE WAITING ON PUNCH LIST ITEMS. THEY USED OUR LANDSCAPING SERVICE TO GO BACK AND DO YARD REPAIR. UM, SO I'M WAITING TO HEAR FROM THEM THAT THEY ARE COMPLETE ON PUNCH LIST. BUT, UH, THE MIXERS HAVE BEEN RUNNING PROBABLY, UH, PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN WEEKS NOW. OKAY. UM, AND THINGS LOOK GREAT. SO REALLY HAPPY WITH THOSE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, GOOD. HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE SOME, SEE THE BENEFIT FROM HIM YEP. AS THAT WE EXPECTED. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WHILE I'M UP HERE? ANY OTHER PROJECTS? NO. NOPE. I DON'T THINK. DON'T THINK SO. WHY YOU GOT ONE YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT? UM, NO, REAL QUICK. WELL, WE'RE TWO WEEKS FROM BEING COMPLETE ON THE WATER TOWER. OH. WHICH WILL BE A BIG RELIEF. SO MAYBE IF WE GET GOOD WEATHER THIS WEEK, WE CAN AGREE WHERE WE WANT THE LOGO. I AM NEVER GONNA COMPLAIN ABOUT ROLLING PAINT IN A BEDROOM. . I SAW THE GUY OUT THERE. OH MY GOSH. I KNOW, RIGHT? ROLLING. I WAS LIKE, OH MY GOSH. DON'T YOU SPRAY THAT AND CAN GO EVERYWHERE, RIGHT? YEAH, I KNOW. HE'S, UM, OKAY. THEY'RE, THEY'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE, SO, BUT WE WILL BE, UM, READY FOR THEM TO GO AS SOON AS, DID THEY REPLACE ANY METAL ON THE TOP? I'M SORRY? DID WE HAVE TO REPLACE ANY METAL ON THE TOP? CAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE WAS SOME CORROSION UP THERE. WHAT THEY DID WAS JUST SKIN IT DOWN AND THEN, UM, MAKE ANY CORROSION REPAIR. WHAT WAS SURPRISING WAS THE INSIDE OF THE TANK LOOKED GREAT. THAT'S GOOD. SO EVERYTHING'S BEEN FIXED WITH, UH, PRIMER AND, AND SEALANT, THAT KIND OF THING. OKAY. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, NEXT THING WE'LL DO. I GOT QUESTION FOR SOUND ON SURE. UH, ON GARLAND DRIVE. I KNOW WE DOING [01:30:01] SOME WORK ON THE ROADWAY THERE, BUT IT'S A VACANT LOT NEXT TO THE NURSING HOME. WHAT ARE WE DOING THERE? THEY, THEY WAS DIGGING A HOLE THERE OR DIGGING SOME PROPERTY THERE? NOT THAT I KNOW OF. UH, WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE GOING INTO ANY PEOP ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY AT ALL. THIS THING STRICTLY ON THE, ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, SABRINA, WE DID SOME STREET PANEL REPAIRS THERE ON GARLAND. BUT I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE HARMONY PARK. IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE, AM I RIGHT NEXT TO, TO THE NURSING HOME? IS THAT THE RIGHT LOCATION SOUTH? UH, YES. UH, THEY ARE. OKAY. WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE THERE IS HARMONY PARK DOING, UH, THEIR CONSTRUCTION FOR THOSE TOWNHOUSES. OKAY. OKAY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. UH, NEXT TO SUGGS FIELD, THAT PARKING LOT MM-HMM. , UH, THE DRIVEWAY THROUGH THE, IS STILL IN BAD SHAPE. WE GOT WORSE WIND. IS THAT ESCALATED TO BE FIXED? YES. I'M WORKING ON THAT ONE TOO. WE'RE GETTING BIDS FOR ALL OF THOSE TO COME IN. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST BEEN A DIFFICULT TIME TRYING TO GET CONTRACTORS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. SO WE'VE KIND OF DELAYED SOME OF THAT. BUT YES, THAT'S ONE OF THEM WE NEED TO GET DONE FOR SURE. OKAY. ON WILLOW STREET, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE? YES. YES. MM-HMM. ? YES. ALSO, I WANT TO THANK YOU, UH, MAKE SURE YOU THANK YOUR CREW THAT THEY ARE THERE WORKING ON THE PARKS. MM-HMM. , UH, THE YOON PARK. THEY WERE, UH, HAD A PLEASURE TALKING TO THE CREW THAT DAY, NEXT DAY. CLEAR. LOOKS REALLY NICE. OH, GOOD. I'LL LET 'EM KNOW. THANK YOU. THERE IS ONE THING THAT WE NEED TO ADD. UM, I, I HAD SENT A NOTICE OUT, JUST JUST TO REITERATE. UH, THE COUNTY DID NOTIFY US, UH, WE SENT OUT LETTERS TO THE RESIDENCE OF SOUTHERN OAKS SAYING THE, THE PROJECT WOULD START IN APRIL. THAT'S WHEN WE INITIALLY THOUGHT, AND THEN THE NEXT WEEK, UH, OR THREE OR FOUR DAYS LATER, THE COUNTY SAYS WE CAN MOVE IN NOW. AND SO THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO START SABRINA WEDNESDAY TO START MOVE IN. YES. YES. UH, BRANDON FROM THE COUNTY SAID THAT THEY WOULD START MOVING IN ON THE WEDNESDAY. SO THAT'S, UH, REPAVING, UH, OR EVEN REDOING THE BASE WORK, UH, AND STUFF ON, UH, SOUTHERN OAKS. RIGHT. OKAY. YES, CORRECT. THAT, UH, THEY'RE GONNA RECYCLE THE, UH, THE ASPHALT REJUVENATE THE, THE BASE THERE, UH, AND THEN PLACE ANOTHER, ANOTHER MAT OF, UH, HOT MIX, UH, TWO AND A HALF INCHES OF HOT MIX. THAT'S THE FINAL DEAL. IS THAT ALL THE WAY FROM DOGWOOD TO WILLOW? IT IS WHATEVER THE ASPHALT PORTION OF SOUTHERN, SOUTHERN OAKS IS, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF. YEAH. AND SO IT, IT GOES PAST WILLOW. IT GOES, UH, ON OH, YES, IT GOES ON BO THE OTHER SIDE NORTH AND THE SOUTH SIDE. YES. CORRECT. BY STREET. THAT'S IT. ALL STREET. YEP. ALL THE BLACK TOP ON THAT STREET. AND SO REMEMBER THAT'S THE, UM, UH, A PROJECT THAT COUNCIL APPROVED, YOU KNOW, AS A, AS CHANGED AS A, AND THEIR LOCAL 230,000 THAT WERE APPROPRIATED FOR THEIR PROJECT. AND IT'S ALL GOING TO MATERIALS, NOT SIX, NOT LABOR. I'M JUST KIDDING. . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON PROJECTS? AND, UH, WE, THERE WE'RE GONNA BE OPENING UP BIDS ON THE, UH, ON THE SITE PREPARATION WORK FOR THE, UH, RESTROOMS, FOR THE PARKS, FOR, UH, PARKS AND REC, UH, WEDNESDAY. THAT'S WHEN, UH, THE OB, UH, BID OPENING HAPPENS. HOPE WE GET GOOD NUMBERS. WE HOPE SO. YEAH. AND WE ARE ALSO ON THE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE BIDDING OUT ON THE, UH, MULCH SITE, UH, ROAD RECONSTRUCTION. UH, GET RID OF THE GRAND CANYON. ALL RIGHT. UH, [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] MOVE ON TO ITEMS OF A COMMUNITY INTEREST. UH, JB UH, THANKS. HAVING A CRAWFISH BALL THIS WEEKEND, CORRECT? IS THAT THIS THE 25TH COMING UP? UH, ROTARY IS APRIL 22ND. 20 OR 25TH ORDER 22ND. BUT IT'S 22ND. I THINK SO. BUT, UH, UH, ROTARY AFTER FIVE HAS THEIR SHRIMP BOWL IS COMING UP SOONER. SO. YEAH. MATT, MATT? UH, NO, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. UH, UH, THIS COMING SATURDAY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS IS THE ELECTRONICS RECYCLING FROM MISSOURI COUNTY. UM, IT'S FROM 8:00 AM TO NOON AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. IT'S COMPLETELY FREE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT ELECTRONICS YOU WANNA GET RID OF, THAT'S THE TIME. UM, AND THEN ALSO, I WAS TALKING WITH MS. ROBIN A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. WE STILL HAVE TICKETS FOR SALE FOR THE ADULT DARK EASTER EGG HUNT, WHICH IS A LOT OF FUN. MY HUSBAND DOESN'T KNOW IT YET, BUT WE'RE GOING . IT'LL BE A FUN SURPRISE. ALL RIGHT. VINNE, WE GOT QUITE A FEW. ROBIN. I DON'T HAVE THAT MANY TICKETS, BUT WE STILL HAVE SOME AVAILABLE. I GUESS I HAVE ONE ITEM. UH, JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, THE GAS STATION ON, UH, OLD [01:35:01] ANDERTON ROAD, RIGHT PAST WILLOW. I KNOW THEY REMOVED THE PUMPS, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY EVER REMOVED THE UNDERGROUND TANKS. YEAH, THEY DID. JUST RECENTLY. RECENTLY, YEAH. WITHIN THE LAST YEAR. I NEVER SAW THEM REMOVE THE TANKS. JUST SAW THEM ROOM. THE PUMPS GOT THE HOLES. THEY DUG SOME BIG HOLES. I KNOW. WAS THAT OH, ANGLE ABOUT A PLOW FIELD? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. I THOUGHT THEY DUG THOSE. THAT OKAY, THEN MAYBE I SOMEHOW MISSED IT. NEVERMIND. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THEY GOT RID OF IT BEFORE STUFF GET OUR WATER SUPPLY. CAUSE WE DO HAVE UNDER UNDERGROUND WATER WELLS, SO I, I SAW EM DIGGING BIG HOLES, SO I WAS ASSUMING THAT WAS THE WATER TANK. I MEAN, THE CAST TANKS. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING, MR. BANK? HEY, IF Y'ALL SAW THE EMAIL THAT CAME ABOUT THE NIGHT IN THE SPOTLIGHT ON APRIL, THE FIRST REALLY AWESOME EVENT THAT WE WERE ALL INVITED TO, AND I KNOW MR. PAUL'S, YOU SENT SOMETHING TO YOUR GUYS, UM, AND I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA BE THERE AND IT'S JUST A REALLY AWESOME EVENT FOR THOSE KIDDOS. WHAT REALLY GOOD NIGHT. I'LL BE, UH, I'LL BE THERE AGAIN DOING PHOTOGRAPHY FORM. SO, UH, WHAT DID I DO, SIR? HUH? I'LL SEND YOU THE EMAIL. IT'D BE NICE. SEND IT ALL OF US. WE, WE ALL DON'T KNOW WHAT TALKING EVERYBODY GOT IT. GOT IT. YOU GOT IT BACK ON THE FIFTH FROM TERRY. PROBABLY. CARDWELL FROM MS. CARDWELL. YEAH, TERRY SENT, IT'S AN INVITATION TO COME. IT'S INVITATION. DID THEY ROTATE THAT? WHAT? YEAH, IT'S, WELL, ORIGINALLY IT WAS ORIGINALLY THEY HAD BEEN GOING TO FREEPORT BEING DONE AT FREEPORT, BUT IT REALLY, THEY NEEDED BIGGER SPACE, BUT THEIR, THEIR DESIRE WAS BEFORE COVID AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF WAS, IS THEY WERE GONNA ROTATE IT THROUGH AND HAVE EACH DEPARTMENT, UH, SUPPORT IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO ANYWAY, THIS YEAR THERE'S GONNA BE AT, UH, THE CIVIC CENTER HERE. SO IT'LL BE AWESOME. YEP. REALLY GOOD TIME. IT IS, IT'S, IT'S A WALL OF TIME. THE KIDS REALLY ENJOY IT AND, UH, AND STUFF. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU'RE GONNA BE TIRED IF YOU GO, YOU'LL BE WORN OUT, I GUARANTEE YOU. UH, OTHER THING, REAL QUICK FOR ME, UM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THAT WAS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UH, REAL QUICK, UH, TWO THINGS. UH, THE FRISBEE DISC, THE DISC FRISBEE OR WHAT, HOW IT'S WORKED? IT IS GETTING SO POPULAR. I MEAN, I'M STARTING TO SEE PEOPLE POSTING OUTTA HOUSTON. THEY'RE SCORES AT OUR GOLF, AT OUR DISK FRI FRISBEE PROGRAM AND STUFF. SO IT'S REALLY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THE STATS ON YOU GOLF. YEAH. UM, AND I WISH I HAD 'EM, I'LL HAVE THEM A REPORT NEXT MONTH. I JUST GOT 'EM TODAY. UM, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE CI THEY REDID IT, HOW NEW PEOPLE HAVE COME TO THAT COURSE. IT'S LIKE 500 SOMETHING IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS. RIGHT. IT'S, IT'S IMPRESSIVE AND STUFF. AND THOSE, THOSE, THOSE GUYS HAVE EGOS TOO. THAT'S QUITE OBVIOUS. CAN WE DO PAID PARKING ? I THINK THAT PARKING BLOCKED OFF . THE OTHER THING THAT, UH, YOU MIGHT, UH, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, IT'S BEEN ALREADY PROBABLY A MONTH ALREADY THAT YOU, THAT WE ALL RECEIVED IN THE EMAIL, UH, UH, FROM A GROUP THAT, UH, WORKS WITH THE STATE ON, UH, MONARCH BUTTERFLIES AND SO FORTH. AND, UM, THEY WANTED US, THEY WANTED ME THE MAYOR, BUT I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITHOUT, UH, SUPPORT ON IT, BUT WANTED US TO, UH, BASICALLY SIGN INTO, UH, THEIR PROGRAM. AND SO I PASSED IT ON TO KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFUL. TO FIND OUT WHAT WE ALREADY DO AND WHERE, WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ON IT. WAS THIS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD TAKE ON. AND, UM, AND THERE'S SOME REPORTING THAT'S REQUIRED AT THE END OF THE YEAR, AND SO THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE IT ON AND IT'S, AND A LOT OF, WE'RE ALREADY DOING A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT MEETS THEIR CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR. SO IT'S REALLY JUST GETTING RECOGNITION FOR THE WORK THAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, UH, I'LL FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK ON THAT. AND, UH, AND THAT'S IT AT THERE. OKAY. STAFF, DOES STAFF HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL [EXECUTIVE SESSION] GO INTO A MOVE OUT OF REGULAR SESSION AND WE'LL MOVE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. CITY COUNCIL WILL UM, ADJOURN TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO RECEIVE ASTRO AFTER A OKAY. AFTER OUR POTTY BREAK, WE'LL DO A POTTY BREAK HERE. CITY COUNCIL WILL ADJOURNED TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO RECEIVE ADVICE ON LEGAL MATTER THAT IS PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE UNDER SECTION 5 51 0.0712 OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE AND THE PURCHASE EXCHANGE LEASE VALUE OF REAL PROPERTY UNDER SECTION 5 51 0.02 OF THE STATE OF TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.