* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] BUT DO YOU HAVE [Call to Order] A SEAT? HI. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME TO THE MONDAY, JANUARY 8TH, 2023 REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS. WE'LL BEGIN THE EVENING, UH, OF OUR FIRST MEETING OF THIS YEAR, UH, WITH PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN SHANYA ALLEGIANCE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE, ALL HONOR FLAG, TEXAS. ONE STATE HONOR GOD INVOCATION THIS EVENING WILL BE GIVEN BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. LET PRAY GIVEN MS. HEAVEN, FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY TODAY, WE'LL NEVER SEE AGAIN AND JUST BLESS US THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE A POSITIVE, UH, MEETING ON TONIGHT. AND JUST, JUST STRENGTHEN US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE STRONG AND WISE DECISIONS FOR THIS GREAT CITY. BLESS OUR FIREFIGHTERS, OUR MS AND, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEY PROTECT US ON A DAILY BASIS. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. [VISITOR COMMENTS] NEXT TIME ON THE AGENDA AS VISITORS COMMENTS, UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY, UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO BRING AN ITEM TO CITY COUNCIL, UH, TO MAKE A COMMENT ON, UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THAT COUNCIL CANNOT MAKE ANY RESPONSE BACK, BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE EXEMPT ON THE AGENDA, IS THERE ANYONE, UH, VISITORS THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR THE REGULAR AGENDA IS ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. ALL RIGHT. [CONSENT AGENDA] MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEM ONE APPROVED MINUTES, DECEMBER 18TH, 2023. ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION MINUTES, UH, PLANNERS. AND THEN ITEM THREE IS APPROVE OF THE ELECTION CONTRACT WITH THE, UH, ZORIA COUNTY FOR THE MAY 4TH, 2024 MUNICIPAL ELECTION. IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT A MEMBER OF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS IT STANDS. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE, TWO, AND THREE AS PRESENTED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. A SECOND BY, UH, COUNCILMAN BROADUS FIRST WAS BY HANYA. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. MOVE [1. Approve Change Order No. 1 in an amount not exceeding $7,027 for the City Hall Restroom Renovaton. – Sal Aguirre] ON TO REGULAR AGENDA. WE HAVE ITEM ONE, APPROVE, UH, CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE IN THE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $7,027 FOR THE CITY HALL RESTROOM RENOVATION. SAL, GOOD EVENING, UH, COUNSEL, AND A HAPPY YEAR TO YOU. UH, THIS, UH, FIRST CHANGE ORDER IN REGARDS TO THE CITY HALL RESTROOM WAS, UH, CONCERNS THE ADDITION AT OUR REQUEST FROM, UH, ADMINISTRATION TO PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, TOILET IN THE MEN'S, UH, RESTROOM THAT, UH, WAS, THAT WAS MISSING. UH, ORIGINALLY IT WAS PLANNED THAT WAY. WE APPROVED IT THAT WAY. AND WHEN WE FOUND OUT, WHEN ADMINISTRATION FOUND IT FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS THING, UH, WE DECIDED THAT IT WAS NOT A GOOD IDEA AND THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO THAT. WE REQUESTED THAT THE ARCHITECT AND GO BACK, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIGN, UH, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, TOILET. UH, THE REASON WHY IT GOT REMOVED THE VERY FIRST TIME WAS THAT WHEN THEY HAD TO MAKE A DA CONCESSIONS TO THAT ROOM, IT WAS LI THE ROOM DID NOT CHANGE IN SIZE. AND THAT, UH, NECESSITATED TO HAVE THAT, UH, ONE OF THE TOILETS GO, YOU KNOW, DISAPPEAR. UH, BUT AFTER LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AND LOOKING AT ALL THE A DA TYPE OF, UH, REQUIREMENTS, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO, UH, PLACE ANOTHER ONE SO THAT THERE WON'T BE ANY OF THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT USE, UH, DENIED FOR, UH, FOR THE MAN. UH, AND THE THAT AMOUNT, THE, THE AMOUNT THAT CAME OUT TO BE ABOUT $7,000 AFTER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONTRACTOR AND GOING BACK AND FORTH, WE FINALLY GOT, UH, GOT SOME COMPROMISE TO THAT PARTICULAR PRICE. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU, UH, APPROVE [00:05:01] THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE ORDER. OKAY. QUICK. SO IT'S GOING BACK THE WAY IT WAS WITH TWO WITH TWO, CORRECT? IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. YES. YES. IT BECAME A GOOD IDEA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, WE JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS WORKING TO REDUCE THE COST FROM 9,000 TO 7,000. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. YES. WE'RE, YEAH. TAXPAYERS APPRECIATE WELL, UH, YES. THAT'S WHERE EDDIE COMES IN THERE. HE, HE, HE CAN BRING HIM DOWN. HE TWISTED THE ARM. HMM? HE TWISTED THE ARM. HE DOES TO HIS ARMS. YES. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? DOES THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SECOND CHANGE ORDER? UH, NO. JUST 'CAUSE THEY, IT'S TOTALLY SEPARATE. THAT'S WHY WE SEPARATE THE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT CHANGE ORDER. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE ITEM. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE CHANGE ORDER. GOOD MORNING MOUNTAIN. I TO SEE 7,027 FOR THE, UH, CITY HALL RESTAURANTS. SECOND RESTROOMS, RESTROOM. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HANYA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL APPROVAL TO CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE APPROVED, AND THEN WE MOVE [2. Approve Change Order No. 3 in an amount not exceeding $7,156 for the City Hall Restroom Renovaton - Sal Aguirre] ON TO ITEM TWO IS APPROVE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE AND THE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $7,156 FOR THE CITY HALL RESTROOM RENOVATION. OKAY. THIS IS ONE ITEM THAT WE HAVE THE ARCHITECT THAT HERE SO THAT HE CAN, UH, HE CAN, UH, DETAIL WHAT IT IS THAT HAPPENED AND THE REASON WHY THIS PARTICULAR ITEM HAD TO, CAN COME IN AND EXCHANGE ORDER. UH, MR. BRETT BALLS, YOU DID SUCH AN ELOQUENT JOB WITH THE FIRST ONE. I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST HERE, . I DIDN'T ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS. UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, HAVE NEW YEAR BURN BALLS. ID ARCHITECTS 1 0 7 WEST WAY. UH, AGAIN, SEPARATE ISSUES, BUT STILL VERY MUCH RELATED. UH, AGAIN, I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH SAL AND EDDIE ON THIS. UM, THE CONTRACTOR CLAIMS THAT, UM, IN A LOT OF RENOVATION PROJECTS, THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS BEHIND THE WALL. THEY MADE SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT THESE DRAIN LINES THAT CONNECT THE WATER CLOSETS IN URINALS WERE ESSENTIALLY ABOVE GRADE, UH, THAT THEY WERE GETTING TOGETHER ABOVE GRADE. AND WHEN THEY BROUGHT IN, UH, THEIR CREWS STARTED THE DEMO WORK, PULLED THE DRYWALL OFF, THEY THEN FOUND OUT THAT EACH ONE OF THE DRAINS TO THOSE WATER CLOSETS AND SENIOR MURALS WENT DIRECTLY INTO THE SLAB. AND SO THEY WERE GOING TO, THEY SAID THEY COULD HAVE NOT FORESEEN THAT. UH, EDDIE AND I, I THINK WE, WE HAVE SOME OPINIONS THAT, UH, MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE INVESTIGATED THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT BASED UPON THE BUILDING AGE. THEY ARE KIND OF PUSHING BACK FROM THAT SAYING THAT THEY BID IT A CERTAIN WAY AND IT WAS NOT THE WAY WHEN THEY PEELED BACK THE, THE DRYWALL AND THE TILE AND THEY FOUND IT THIS WAY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE BULK OF THIS MAJORITY IS. UH, AGAIN, TO SAL'S POINT, THIS CHANGE ORDER STARTED OUT, UH, WHEN IT WAS FIRST SUBMITTED AT $20,000 AND WORKING WITH EDDIE, EDDIE STRONG ARMED THEM IN A VERY GOOD WAY AND GOT IT REDUCED VERY APPROPRIATELY SO DOWN TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU SEE NOW. SO BASICALLY IT'S FOR UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS THAT THE CONTRACTOR'S CLAIMING THIS AMOUNT. SO, SO USUALLY WHEN CON WHEN THEY BID OUT A JOB, THEY PUT CON CONT CONTINGENCIES IN THERE FOR THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'M SURE IN MY OPINION, THAT WE, WE ALREADY PAID FOR THAT BECAUSE, UH, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. WE DID TO, I THINK FULL DISCLOSURE SALARY, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE HAD A CONTINGENCY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACTOR CONTINGENCY, NOT THE OWNER CONTINGENCY. OH, NO, I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT IN A HARD BID, THEY'RE NEVER GONNA DISCLOSE WHAT THAT CONTINGENCY WAS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE JUST GONNA SAY, HEY, WE BID IT THIS WAY. UH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, ANY SMART CONTRACTOR WOULD, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA FREELY GIVE THAT MONEY UP, AND THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO PROVE THAT THEY HAD CONTINGENCY DOLLARS IN THERE. WAS THERE, WAS THERE A CONTINGENCY BUDGET SET ASIDE FOR THIS PROJECT? THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY EARLY ON THEN WE WERE REALLY PENSION PENNIES. AND IT WAS, BELIEVE ME IF I'M WRONG, WE, IT WAS ASKED FIRST TO REMOVE THAT. SO THERE WAS NO CONTINGENCY DOLLARS ASSOCIATED FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. OKAY. WELL, I THINK FOR TAXPAYER'S PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, CONTRACTOR IS DOING A JOB, THEY OUGHT TO KNOW WHAT ABOUT WHAT NOT SEEN, YOU KNOW, UNDER THE GROUND. AND YOU BUILD THAT IN, IN YOUR, IN YOUR BID. AND, UH, I, AFTER READING WHAT I'M READING HERE, WHAT, WHAT IT'S FOR, I PERSONALLY DO NOT AGREE WITH THAT. UH, THAT THE CITY, UH, OUGHT TO CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO PAY THEIR CONTINGENCY FOR CHANGE ORDER. AND THIS, THIS KIND OF GOES BACK TO THE, THE QUESTION WE HAD BEFORE, DEB, WITH THE OTHER PROJECT, WITH THE BID PROCESS, [00:10:01] THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING TO PROTECT US A LITTLE BETTER AND PROTECT THE TAXPAYERS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND I KNOW THERE'S A, A LINE YOU WALK WHERE YOU DON'T WANNA BE TOO DIFFICULT AND YOU WON'T HAVE ANY BIDS, UM, WITH, THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPONSIBILITY AND THERE'S GOTTA BE A LIMIT TO CHANGE ORDERS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY EASY TO COME IN WITH A LOW BID IF YOU DON'T FORESEE ANYTHING. THAT'S IT. YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S A TRICK, UNFORTUNATELY, UNDER A HARD BID. YEAH. AND, AND TO YOUR POINT, RENEE, IF IF EVERY REASONABLE LOGICAL CONTRACTOR PUT IN, UH, SOME CONTINGENCY DOLLARS FOR UNCON UNFORESEEN CONDITIONS, THEY HAVE NO WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT EVERYBODY ELSE COMPETING FOR THAT PROJECT IS GONNA DO THE SAME THING. SO THEY COULD PRICE THEMSELVES OUT OF YEAH, BUT THEY CAN QUALIFY THAT WHAT THEY HAVE NOT SEEN, UH, IS, IS THE QUALIFIER. WELL, DON'T HAVE THAT MADE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THEY PROBABLY DO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE YEAH, IF THEY DID THE QUALIFIER THEN, AND THEN I'M OKAY WITH THAT. RIGHT. BUT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A QUALIFIER SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T SEE, YOU KNOW, BE EXTRA, UH, NOT KNOWING THAT I JUST DID NOT SEE THAT. UH, YOU KNOW, SO AGREE. AND AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE THAT BID IN FRONT OF ME. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY QUALIFIED IT OR NOT, BUT, UH, AND I'VE MENTIONED TO SEVERAL STAFF MEMBERS, TO YOUR POINT, COUNCILMAN SETH, HARD BID IS, IS HARD BID. AND WE FREQUENTLY RUN INTO THESE PROBLEMS. I WILL BUY COUNSEL LUNCH IF YOU'LL GIVE ME AN AUDIENCE TO TALK ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK PROJECT, UH, DELIVERY METHOD. WELL, LET ME GO ON RECORD. WE CAN'T ACCEPT THAT . OKAY, WELL, I'LL BUY SNACKS OR SOMETHING. I KID YOU, UM, THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK IS PREDOMINANTLY DESIGNED FOR A CONSTRUCTION METHOD DELIVERY TOOL FOR MUCH LARGER PROJECTS. MM-HMM. . BUT IN THIS DAY AND AGE OF SO MANY INTERESTING CONDITIONS FROM SUCH A VOLATILE CONSTRUCTION, UH, MARKET INDEX, UH, A LABOR MARKET, WHICH IS REALLY SCARY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING ON HERE IN SOUTHERN MISSOURI COUNTY CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK IS A MUCH BETTER, MUCH MORE TRANSPARENT WAY TO SEE THAT. AND YOU TOTALLY AVOID SIMILAR THINGS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THAT CONTRACTOR'S AT THE DESIGN TABLE AS WE'RE DESIGNING, YOU'RE PAYING THEM PROACTIVELY TO INVESTIGATE THINGS LIKE THIS. AND BOTH I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M JUST, MY THING IS, YOU KNOW, USUALLY YOU PUT QUALIFIERS IN OR OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, THEY ASSUME THAT THEY CANNOT ASSUME WHAT'S UNDERNEATH THERE, AND WE CANNOT ASSUME THAT THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY FOR THAT. SO, AGREED. DO WE NOT HAVE PLANS ON THIS STUFF FROM WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT? SO WE WOULD KNOW THE PLUMBING IS NOT, EXCUSE ME, SORRY. UH, YES, WE DO HAVE PLANS ON THE BUILDING, THE ORIGINAL PLANS AS A MATTER OF FACT, BUT THEY, YOU DON'T SEE THE PLUMBING DETAIL ON IT, HOW IT WAS, YOU SHOW THE LINE DIAGRAM OF THE PLUMBING. SO ON THE NEW STUFF, WILL WE, LIKE, GOING FORWARD, WILL WE HAVE THAT FOR FUTURE, THE RENOVATIONS? THE, WE, WE HAVE PHOTOS OF THAT ONE. OKAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE RUN INTO THIS ENOUGH AND WE DO ENOUGH BIDS THAT THERE MAYBE SHOULD BE SOME WAY FOR US TO TIGHTEN UP ON THE BID PROCESS AND TO WALK THAT LINE A LITTLE BETTER. TO NOT RUN THE CONTRACTORS OFF, BUT ALSO TO NOT RUN INTO THIS EVERY SINGLE PROJECT. TO ME, THIS IS A COMMON PRACTICE TO HAVE A QUALIFIER, THEN, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY CAN'T SEE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A RISK FOR A CHANGE ORDER. BUT WITH, WITH MY NOT KNOWING THAT THE THING HAS THE QUALIFIER IN IT OR NOT, I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD THEY QUALIFIED THAT OR NOT. YEAH. SO, BUT THANK Y'ALL FOR, AGAIN, GETTING, GETTING THE, THE TOTAL DOWN. I I COMPLETELY HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO ARGUE A $7,000 CHANGE ORDER FOR SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T FORESEE WHEN WE JUST APPROVED ONE FOR A MISTAKE THAT A MISTAKE OR A CHANGE THAT WE MADE FOR THE SAME AMOUNT, . I MEAN, WE'RE STILL SPENDING TAXPAYER MONEY, RIGHT? YEAH. AND DON'T, DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. JUST, I FEEL LIKE GOING FORWARD THERE'S GOTTA BE A BETTER WAY. I TO I HEAR YOU. WELL TIGHTEN THIS UP. THE, THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE IS, IS THAT, UH, I IS IF YOU, IF YOU WANT, UH, TO BE STRONGER ON YOUR, ON YOUR BIDDING PROCESSES, THAT WHAT YOU'LL END UP DOING IS YOUR BIDS ARE GONNA COME IN HIGHER, YOUR COST IS GOING TO BE HIGHER EVERY TIME. AND THE CHANCES ARE IS THEY COULD HAVE GONE IN AND SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S UNDER THE GROUND OVER HERE, SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND ADD ANOTHER $160,000 THIS PROJECT. AND THEY MAY GET THAT BID. OKAY? BUT THEN THEY CAN BREAK INTO THE WALL AND THEY FIND OUT WHAT'S ALL ABOVE GRADE. SO THIS IS A NO BRAINER. WE'LL JUST GO AND FIX, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO IT. ARE THEY GONNA GIVE YOU THE $160,000? NO, YOU'VE ALREADY SPENT IT. SO IT'S, IT'S PRICEY. AND WE CAN'T DO BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE IT'S GOVERNMENT, WE CAN'T DO LIKE, UM, TNM, RIGHT? YEAH. WE CAN'T DO THAT. NO, BUT YOU CAN DO CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. RIGHT? RIGHT. AND AGAIN, I WON'T BUY YOU LUNCH, , I'LL GIVE YOU MY TIME IF I CAN HAVE AN AUDIENCE WITH COUNCIL YEAH. I'D TO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION. OUR NEXT CONTRACT IS CONSTRUCTION MANAGER. WE'VE DONE IT AND WE'RE DOING IT. I JUST THINK THEY, WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT [00:15:01] NOW. UNDERSTAND. BUT CERTAINLY WE COULD DO MORE OF IT. IT'S THE WAY TO GO. AND IT, AND AGAIN, WE COULD GO OVER HERE AND SAY, NO, WE'RE GONNA PAY THIS. AND THE CONTRACTOR WOULD SAY, I'M WALKING OFF, YOU KNOW, AND SO DO WE WANT THE PROJECT FINISHED OVER ARGUING OVER $7,000 OR NOT? AND SO WE, WE'VE GOTTA GET THE PROJECT FINISHED AND IT'S $7,000. IT'S NOT $160,000 THAT ORIGINALLY STARTED OUT BEING SO, UH, YEAH, I'D RATHER NOT BE PAYING IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS WE NEED TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD, AND IT'S, IT'S NOT 160,000 BUCKS TEMPORARY RESTROOM . RIGHT. THE TEMPORARY RESTROOM, EVEN THOUGH IT PLAYS MU EVEN THOUGH IT PLAYS MUSIC IN THERE, WEATHER. YEAH. BUT THE TAXPAYER'S GONNA GETTING TIRED OF GETTING SQUEEZED. YOU. WELL, IF YOU DON'T DO THIS, IT'S GONNA COST YOU MORE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NO WIN FOR A TAXPAYER, SO. WELL, THAT'S TRUE. IT, IT, IT'S REALLY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, YOU KNOW? AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS BEING AN INDIVIDUAL. I'M, I'VE GOT MY RESTROOM TORN UP AT HOME AND SOMEBODY, AND THE CONTRACTOR SAYS, WELL, I NEED ANOTHER $50,000 TO FIX THIS PROBLEM I DIDN'T FORESEE. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, CAN WE TALK THAT DOWN? YOU TALK IT DOWN, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOTTA GET THE PROJECT FINISHED 'CAUSE YOU NEED A RESTROOM IN YOUR HOUSE. AND SO I THINK, I MEAN, I KNOW THAT IF I WAS SITTING IN THAT PLACE AND I HAD A RESTROOM TORN UP AT MY HOUSE, THAT, UH, I WOULD HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY AND GET IT DONE. YEAH. I'M NOT SAYING DON'T, DON'T DO IT. I'M JUST VOICING MY CONCERN AND, UH, UH, SHOWING MY DISPLEASURE WITH THE SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, USUALLY, LIKE I SAID, IT IS STANDARD INDUSTRY PRACTICE. YOU KNOW, YOU, WHEN YOU BID A JOB, YOU PUT QUALIFIERS IN AND IF THERE'S NOT A QUALIFIER FOR THAT, THEN WE SHOULDN'T PAY FOR IT. AND IF THERE'S A QUALIFIER IN IT, THEN YES, WE ARE. THEN IT'S A LEGITIMATE COST AND YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME WAY. IF YOU WAS AT YOUR OWN HOUSE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A RESTROOM THAT'S NOT COMPLETED, BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT YOUR RESTROOM NOT COMPLETED AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT TO GET IT FIXED. YEAH, YOU WOULD TO GET IT. HAVEN'T FIX IT. BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR IT. I WOULDN'T PAY FOR IT. WELL, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A COMPLETE BATHROOM. THEY WOULDN'T FINISH THERE AND SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD DO IT. IF THAT'S THE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, AND DIDN'T YOU HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE FROM THAT OTHER PERSON? THERE'S SOMETHING FOR PRINCIPAL, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS ONE? TOMATO. TOMATO. ALL RIGHT. UM, CAN I GET A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? ITEM TWO, MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CHANGE ORDER NUMBER THREE IN AN AMOUNT, NOT EXCEEDING $7,156 FOR THE CITY HALL RESTROOM RENOVATION. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER, SETH, SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. CHANGE ORDERS APPROVED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. GRANT, THANK YOU FOR SECOND TIME TODAY. YEP. YOU ALL TAKE CARE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM [3. Authorize the City Manager to execute a contract with Lockwood Andrews & Newman, Inc. (LAN) under RFQ 001-2023 for the City’s Water Master Plan in an amount not exceeding $225,000. – Riazul Mia] THREE, AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGERS TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH, UH, LOCKWOOD ANDREWS AND NEWMAN, INCORPORATED UNDER, UH, RF Q1 2023, UH, FOR THE CITY'S WATER MASTER PLAN IN THE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $225,000. MR. UL? YES, MR. UH, MR. MAYOR, UH, WE ARE BRINGING YOU, UH, THE MASTER PLAN. UH, THIS WILL BE BASICALLY THE PLANNING OF THE WATER MASTER PLAN. AND IN FUTURE, ALL OF YOU KNOW, WE ARE A ABOUT 7-YEAR-OLD CITY. THAT MEANS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS ALSO OLD. AND WHAT WE SAW THIS SUMMER, UH, THINGS ARE BREAKING UP LEFT AND RIGHT. SO THIS MASTER PLAN IS GIVE YOU A PROACTIVE APPROACH IN INSTEAD OF HAVING A REACTIVE APPROACH, UH, SO THIS WILL LOOK AT ALL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING WATERLINE, OUR TREATMENT PLAN, BOOSTER STATION, AND, AND THEN BRING BACK TO COUNCIL A FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR AND, AND 25 YEAR PLAN. THIS ALSO INCLUDE A RATE STUDY TO PAY FOR THAT. UM, AND SO THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY THE FIRST STEP OF US PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. I KNOW WE ARE NOT GROWING, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO OUR CITIZEN. AND THIS IS A WATER QUALITY ISSUE AND ALSO A SERVICE, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUE. AND SO I, I ASK COUNCIL, UM, COUNCIL APPROVAL ON THIS ONE, AND WE'LL BRING BACK NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. WE'LL BRING BACK THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN. ALRIGHT, I DO HAVE THE CONSULTANT REPRESENTATIVE HERE. IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTION, YOU CAN YES. IF YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND EXPLAIN TO US THE KIND [00:20:01] OF LIKE THE PROCESS THAT WE WOULD SEE, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR, MAYOR, PRO TEM, COUNCIL, CITY STAFF, AND CITIZENS. MY NAME IS RUSS FORD, FORD. I'M WITH LOCKWOOD ANDREWS. NEWHAM. WE'RE ABOUT A 90-YEAR-OLD FIRM, THAT HEADQUARTERS OUTTA HOUSTON, TEXAS. SO WE'VE GOT THE RESOURCES OF OUR FIRM VERY CLOSE TO YOU HERE. AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE DOING. MY MYSELF PERSONALLY, UH, 35 YEARS AGO, UH, I WAS IN PRODUCT SALES, UH, WORKED FOR A PIPE COMPANY AND SOLD ALL THE PIPING MATERIALS FOR THE WATER AUTHORITY DOWN HERE. SO I'VE BEEN WORKING IN THIS AREA FOR A GOOD PART OF MY CAREER. UH, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS, IS THAT ONE OF THE TECHNICAL SPECIALTIES OF LAN IS ACTUALLY, UH, WATER MASTER PLANS. UH, WE'VE JUST COMPLETED ONE, UH, FOR A LARGER CITY, 250,000. IT WAS AN INTEGRATED WATER MASTER PLAN WHERE WE HAD TO LOOK AT WATER SOURCES FOR THEM. AND SEVERAL THINGS LIKE THAT. YOU ALL HAVE PLANNED WELL IN THAT YOU'VE GOT A GOOD WATER SOURCE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. ALTHOUGH, I WILL TELL YOU THE CITY'S A LITTLE BIT UNFORTUNATE IN ONE AREA, WHEN Y'ALL WERE CHARTERED, I THINK MAYBE 1944 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DURING, UH, WORLD WAR II, THERE WERE NOT A LOT OF GOOD PIPING MATERIALS AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME, AND NOT A LOT OF MONEY TO PUT THOSE THINGS IN. SO MY GUESS IS, IS THAT THE OLDER PARTS OF YOUR CITY ARE PROBABLY, UH, THE, THE PIPE MATERIALS ARE PROBABLY VERY NEAR FAILURE, UH, IN THE PIPE INDUSTRY. THEY PLAN FOR ABOUT A 50 YEAR LIFE PLAN FOR, FOR PIPE MATERIALS. YOU'RE WAY PAST THAT. THEY DID NOT HAVE SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE TODAY, THE POLYVINYL CHLORIDE, WHICH IS GOOD FOR, UH, TO KEEP FROM CORROSION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S, IT'S NOT UNLIKELY THAT, UH, THAT SOME OF THE MATERIALS WOULDN'T EVEN MEET YOUR STANDARDS TODAY. SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND HELP THE CITY FIGURE OUT, UH, OUR, OUR GOAL IS TO WORK WITH WHERE YOU'VE HAD FAILURES OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW WHAT THE PIPING MATERIALS ARE THERE. I THINK THERE'S AREAS OF THE CITY THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR SURE WHAT'S UNDERGROUND. AND WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT AS A, AS A PART OF OUR THOUGHT PROCESSES TOO. BUT THE, THE, THE PIPES THAT YOU'VE REPAIRED RECENTLY, UH, WE HOPE TO PUT THOSE, TO PRIORITIZE THOSE FOR YOU IN A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHERE YOU'LL KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY TO BUDGET OVER THE NEXT FIVE. HELP ME, UH, FIVE, 10 AND 25 25 YEARS AS FAR AS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA BE SPENDING MONEY AND HOW, HOW WE BELIEVE AND, AND REMEMBER, WE'LL WORK CLOSELY, UH, WITH YOUR PUBLIC WORK STAFF HERE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT GONNA COME TO TOWN AS THE BIG CITY ENGINEERING FIRM AND TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. WE'RE GONNA LISTEN. WE'RE GONNA BE GOOD LISTENERS. ANOTHER PART OF WHAT WE DO IS WE'LL HAVE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CITIZENS GET A, GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING HERE AND GET THEIR INPUT. UH, THE, UM, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER SAID IT BEAUTIFULLY. YOU'RE NOT GROWING HERE, BUT YOU STILL GOTTA SUPPLY SERVICES TO THE PEOPLE THAT, THAT LIVE HERE. SO, UH, I I, I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT WORKING FOR YOU. UH, I WILL TELL YOU, OUR COMPANY DOES ONE THING INTERESTING THAT MANY OTHER FIRMS DON'T DO. WE HAVE A CLIENT MANAGER, I'M THE CLIENT MANAGER FOR LAN FOR YOUR FIRM. I'M A DIRECT CONTACT. YOU'LL HAVE MY CELL NUMBER IF IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU, YOU MAY CALL ME AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE BRING THE RESOURCES TO OUR TEAM WHERE WE CAN DO, DO YOU AN EXCELLENT PROJECT. BUT THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. SO WHAT WOULD, UH, THE CITIZENS SEE OUT IN THE FIELD WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS KIND OF A PROJECT? BECAUSE YOUR STAFF, YOUR CITY STAFF, DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF WORKING TO GET OUR BUDGET DOWN TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE AMOUNT. WE'RE GONNA DO A LOT OF THIS, UH, VIRTUAL, IN OTHER WORDS, OUR MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF. WE'LL DO MORE VIRTUAL MEETINGS THAN WE WILL IN PERSON MEETINGS. BUT, UH, WHAT I, I SUSPECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IN SOME AREAS, MAYOR WILL HAVE TO WHAT THEY CALL POTHOLING, WHICH IS BASICALLY USING VACUUM EXCAVATION TO DIG DOWN AND SEE WHAT THE PIPING MATERIAL IS THERE OR WHAT CROSSINGS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO IT IS POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD AFFECT THE CITIZENS, BUT I PROMISE YOU OUR OUR FIRM IS VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE'RE GONNA BE THERE. WHERE IT'S NOT A SURPRISE, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR STREET'S NOT BLOCKED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WELL, AS ALL, ALL Y'ALL KNOW IS THAT, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, REPLACING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS BEST AS WE CAN OVER TIME WITH OUR STREET REPLACEMENTS. WE'VE ALWAYS DONE UTILITIES WHILE WE'VE DONE THOSE ALSO, BUT, UH, WE JUST CAN'T CATCH UP. AND, UH, SO, UH, WE'VE ALSO FOUND THAT, UH, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF TRYING TO BE AS FRUGAL AS WE CAN WITH OUR DOLLARS, IS THAT WE'LL GO IN, UH, LIKE THIS SUMMER WE HAD, BUT IT WAS ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF IT, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE WENT IN AND WE HAD HAD DONE UTILITIES REPAIRS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT WE DIDN'T TAKE IT ALL THE WAY BACK TO A MANWAY. AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAD THE FAILURE AND STUFF. SO, UH, [00:25:01] AGAIN, I EXPECT THAT WHENEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL, THROUGH THIS METHOD, WE'LL HAVE, AGAIN, IDENTIFY THE PRIORITY PLACES WHERE WE NEED TO START WORKING AT FIRST. ABSOLUTELY. AND, AND THEN HOW FAR BACK WE NEED TO GO INTO THERE AND, AND, AND REPLACE STUFF. THE OTHER THING IS, I WANT TO BE SURE IS THAT THE QUESTION TO IS THAT BECAUSE IN A PREVIOUS STUDY THAT WE DID ON OUR WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY, I WAS DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE WE, WE DID AN ASSESSMENT, BUT WE ASSESSED IT FOR WHAT NEEDED TO BE FIXED, BUT NOT, BUT NOT WHAT COULD WE DO TO GET EXTRA CAPACITY? IN OTHER WORDS, DON'T REPLACE LIKE, FOR LIKE, CAN WE REPLACE THAT PUMP WITH SOMETHING ELSE TO GET US MORE CAPACITY TO GET US MORE LIFE OUT OF IT. SO I'M HOPING THAT SOMEWHERE IN YOUR PROCESS YOU'LL ALSO DELIVER SOMETHING THAT'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF PUTTING IN LIKE, FOR LIKE, LET'S PUT IN THIS THAT'LL GIVE YOU, MAY COST YOU A DOLLAR TODAY, BUT IT'LL SAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, $10 DOWN THE ROAD, MAYOR, TO ADDRESS THAT. AND JUST, UH, TO ADD TO YOUR POINT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE AREAS OF THE CITY THAT THEY, LET'S SAY THAT THEY OVERSIZED THE WATER LINES BEFORE THEY WERE INSTALLED AND YOU'RE NOT USING ENOUGH WATER OUT OF THOSE LINES TO KEEP THE, THE WATER FRESH IN THEM. IN OTHER WORDS. SO IT MAY BE THAT WE ALSO RECOMMEND IN OUR CIP THAT WE LOOP SOME OF THOSE LINES. IN OTHER WORDS THAT WE USE TRENCHLESS TECHNOLOGY, RIGHT? OR WHATEVER'S AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU WITH WATER QUALITY TOO. AND I THINK THAT'LL BE A BIG PLUS FOR YOUR CITIZENS ALSO. YEAH. YEAH. ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UH, WOULD BE, UH, BE GREAT. UH, THE OTHER THING WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS, IS THE, WHEN THE CITY WAS BUILT BACK IN THE SEVENTIES, UH, TOILETS FLUSHED 10 GALLONS EVERY TIME YOU FLUSHED IT, NOW THEY FLUSH, I DUNNO WHAT THEY FLUSH HALF GALLON A HALF I THINK AND STUFF. SO, UH, WATER CONSUMPTION HAS CHANGED, UH, IN THE CITY. SO USAGE. SO WHAT EXACTLY WILL YOUR DELIVERABLE BE? BE A DETAILED DRAWING AND A MAPPING AND, UH, WHAT DO WE FIX FIRST? YEAH, SO I MEAN, ALL OF THE ABOVE RECOMMENDATION, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET A REPORT, IT'LL BE ELECTRONIC, BUT IT'LL ALSO WILL BE IN, IN PAPER. I SUSPECT THAT THE CITY MANAGEMENT WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT ALSO, THAT'LL NOT ONLY TELL YOU WHAT WE FOUND AND WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED, BUT ALSO WILL HAVE THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS PRIORITIZED, UH, WHERE YOU KNOW WHERE YOU NEED TO BE SPENDING YOUR MONEY AND YOUR TIME. FIRST, WE, WE WILL ACTUALLY MAKE A PREDICTION BASED ON PIPE MATERIAL, PIPE AGE, AND THE NUMBER OF FAILURES IN THAT AREA OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. ALL OF THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN THE WATER MASTER PLAN FOR YOU. AND HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THAT YOU'LL ALLOW US IN THE FUTURE, LET'S SAY FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, TO COME BACK AND REVISIT IT AND SEE THE ASSU IF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE USED WERE CORRECT, BUT WHAT YOU FINISHED AND WHAT OUR WHAT OUR NEXT PRIORITIES SHOULD BE. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR CLARITY, WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER DISTRIBUTION AND FRESH WATER, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE MANAGEMENT OF RAIN WATER OR FLOOD WATER, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. NO, ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTABLE WATER, WATER THAT GOES THROUGH PIPES TO PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND BACK, AND YES. OKAY. YES, SIR. RIGHT? BEING SUCH A A, A LARGE PLAN, LARGE IN THE, THE TIME, RIGHT? SO YOU'RE LOOKING OUT FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 25 YEARS, PEOPLE CHANGE, PEOPLE COME AND GO. IS THIS, DO YOU HAND US THIS PLAN AND WALK AWAY? OR IS IT A DOOR THAT SWINGS BOTH WAYS WHERE THREE YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT AND NEED TO REACH OUT TO YOU OR WE? IS THAT ABSOLUTELY A PATH? THAT'S A AND WHAT I WILL TELL YOU, AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE TO, UH, I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I CAN SAY THIS CORRECTLY, AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE TO SIGN OR SEAL SOME DOCUMENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, RIGHT? WE WOULD EXPECT THAT TO BE PRO BONO, THAT YOU'VE HIRED US. WE ARE A TRUSTED ADVISOR FOR YOU WITH THE CITY. AND WE'LL, WE'LL BE THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. NOW, I WILL TELL YOU THIS COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, I'M SORRY. UM, YOU ALREADY HAVE A MODEL THAT YOU HAVE PAID FOR AND CREATED, UH, THE CITY STAFF HAS WORKED WITH US, THAT WE WILL USE THAT MODEL THAT WE'LL TAKE THAT MODEL AND INCORPORATE IT AND CARRY IT, CARRY IT BEYOND THAT. BUT WE WON'T GO BACK AND DO SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE PAID FOR BEFORE. OKAY? ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE ITEM. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH LOCKWOOD ANDREWS AND NEWMAN UNDER RFQ 0 0 1 DASH 2 0 2 3 FOR CITY WATER MASTER PLAN IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $225,000. SECOND, I GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HANYA AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, SETH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, IT'S APPROVED. THANK YOU. [4. Approve the selecton of the General Contractor, WeBuildTx, for the Constructon Manager at Risk for the Animal Control Facility and authorize the City Manager to negotate the contract terms and bring it back to the City Council for an award of the constructon contract. – Riazul Mia] ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR, APPROVE THE SELECTION OF GENERAL CONTRACTOR. UH, WE BILL TEXAS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, UH, AT RISK [00:30:01] FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY AND AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGERS TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT TERMS AND BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR AN AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. BRIA? YES, MR. MAYOR, UH, WHAT, WHAT WE BRING IT TO YOU. WE WENT FOR RFQ. THIS IS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AT RISK. SO IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. SO WE HAD TWO CONTRACTORS SUBMIT IT AND WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL, GET AUTHORIZATION, AND THEN WE ASK THEM WHAT WILL BE YOUR COST, THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR COST. SO BOTH CONTRACTOR PROVIDE US THE COST TO BUILD THE SEVEN $3.7 MILLION FACILITY. AND BASED ON THAT, NOW WE ARE RECOMMENDING WE BILL TEXAS FOR COUNCIL, UH, COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION. SO WE CAN GO BACK AND START NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACT TERMS. AND ONCE WE AGREE TO THOSE TERMS, UH, WE'LL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL TO AWARD THE CONTRACT AND ALSO THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT, WHICH IS ABOUT $3.7 MILLION. UH, I DO HAVE LINDSAY, OUR ARCHITECT, IS HERE. SO HE WENT THROUGH VARYING THIS, UH, THESE CONTRACTORS AND, AND HE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION. UH, THE PRICE DIFFERENCE FOR THESE TWO CONTRACTORS ARE REALLY FAR APART, BUT WE BELIEVE WE BUILD TEXAS, THE PRICES ARE WITHIN, USUALLY IF YOU SEE A $3.7 MILLION CONTRACT, THE PRICES ARE PRETTY CLOSE. THE OTHER PRICE WAS LIKE, THEY WANT TO CHARGE US $900,000, WHICH IS WAY, WAY OUT OF THE LINE. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM WEBU, TEXAS HERE. YES. OKAY. WE DO. SO, UH, I ASSUME YOU'VE WORKED WITH, UH, CONTRACTED RISK TYPE OPERATIONS OR YES, FOR THE LAST, UM, GOOD AFTERNOON, LINDSEY THORN THAT DON ARCHITECTS, UM, WE'VE USED THE CMAR FOR ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY, PROBABLY FOR THE LAST 10, 12 YEARS WITH COUNTY AND CITY PROJECTS. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A REALLY GOOD METHOD TO GO THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC MONEY HAS CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS TO IT AND IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO, TO MANAGE THE PROCESS. OKAY. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY, TO GIVE YOU SOME INPUT OVER THE LAST, PROBABLY THE LAST TWO, THREE WEEKS, I ACTUALLY, UM, WE, BILL ACTUALLY PROVIDED A LIST OF, UM, PREVIOUS, UM, PROJECTS THAT THEY WORKED ON AND CONTACT NAMES. SO OVER THE CHRISTMAS PERIOD, I, I REACHED OUT TO EACH OF THEM, UH, I THINK THEY GAVE US FIVE NAMES. I GOT CALLED BACK FROM THREE OF THEM AND I DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, THEY'RE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS, BUT I DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, UM, TIMELINE, UH, QUALITY, UH, OVERALL EXPERIENCE, UM, BUDGETS. AND I HAD A VERY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM ALL THREE. UH, THEY SPOKE VERY HIGHLY. WE BUILD, THEY WERE ON TIME, UM, VERY DILIGENT ON BUDGET AND COSTING. UH, SOME OF THEM WERE VERY, UH, VERY QUICK TIMELINE. OTHERS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, BEARING IN SCALE FROM 7,500 SQUARE FEET TO 20,000 SQUARE FEET FINISH OUT. UM, SO I, I FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE. I KNOW THERE'S A LARGE SPREAD, BUT, UM, I FEEL, I FEEL COMFORTABLE MYSELF IN MY EXPERIENCE OF WITH WE BUILD HAS BEEN THE, WAS THERE ANY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK? NONE. NONE. NONE AT ALL? WELL, I'M, I'M, I'M PERSONALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING, UH, THIS BE SUCCESS AS FAR AS, UH, USING A, UH, CMR, UH, VINNE AND I BOTH, UH, HANYA AND I BOTH SIT ON THE, THE, UH, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, REVIEW BOARD FOR THE BONDS FOR ITS BISD. AND THEY'VE, FOR ALL THEIR MAJOR BONDS THEY'VE USED, UH, CMR AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE ONE, THEY'VE CONTINUED TO USE THE SAME COMPANY 'CAUSE THEY'VE BUILT A RELATIONSHIP AND IT'S WORKED OUT WELL AND STUFF. SO, UH, HOPEFULLY THIS WORKS OUT WELL AND WE CAN BUILD A RELATIONSHIP'S, A MUTUAL TRUST. YEAH. MUTUAL TRUST AND STUFF. SO, UM, BUT, UH, THAT'S OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN GUADALUPE COUNTY OUTTA COASTA COUNTY, AND WE'VE DONE THESE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE HAD. WE'VE HAD THE SAME CONTRACT THAT'S BEEN USED FOR A NUMBER OF TIMES AND WE HAD THE SAME DESIGN TEAM, CONSTRUCTION TEAM. IT'S BEEN, IT'S WORKED VERY, VERY WELL. YEAH. SO IS THE 1 94 PART OF THEIR BID THAT, LET'S JUST SAY IT'S THREE SEVEN, UH, OR THIS IS ADDITIONAL FEES. THIS IS THE COUNCILMAN, THIS IS THE FEE THEY WILL CHARGE US TO BUILD THE FACILITY. SO YOUR 3.7, IT WILL BE THE CONSTRUCTION COST AND THIS WILL BE THE FEE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER ONE, THEY WANTED TO CHARGE US ABOUT $900,000. RIGHT. SO YEAH, SO IT'LL BE IN ADDITION TO THE 3.7. YEAH. AND ON TOP OF THE 3.7 , ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? NOT AT ALL. , BUT YEAH, IT'S JUST FEE FOR ALL THIS. YEAH, I'M TRYING TO, THIS IS [00:35:01] SOMEBODY DUMB IT DOWN. THIS ISN'T LIKE THE COST OF THE BRICK AND THE CEMENT AND EVERYTHING. OKAY. THIS ISN'T THE CONSTRUCTION COST, THIS IS THE FEE THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE US TO BE, TO MANAGE ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION. SO IT'S TO MANAGE IT OUT AND MANAGE IT AND DO THE PAPERWORK AND KEEP UP WITH EVERYTHING, GENERAL CONDITIONS, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. OKAY. YES. THAT'S, YEAH. ALRIGHT. IS NOT THE BUILDING COST TO CHANGE ORDERS SAYING NO, THIS IS, IT IS THE MAXIMUM ED, THIS IS NOT THE BUILDING AHEAD WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THIS IS, UH, THIS IS THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE. SO THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE ORDER UNLESS WE REQUEST SOMETHING TO ADD ON TO IT. RIGHT. SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THEN FROM, FROM MOVING FORWARD, WE'LL ACTUALLY WE'VE ALREADY CONTACTED ALL OUR CONSULTANTS AND THEN WHAT WE'LL DO WITH WE, BILL WILL COME TO VISIT WITH US AND WE'LL SIT DOWN WITH THE TEAM, WITH THE CONSULTANTS. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EVERYTHING AND WE'LL SAY, OKAY, WE THINK WE COULD SAVE IT MONEY HERE OR HERE OR HERE OR HERE. AND THAT'S HOW WE'LL COME DOWN TO THAT 3.7 NUMBER. SO THE GOAL IS STILL TO STAY WITHIN THAT 3.7? YES. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE CMIR BECAUSE YOU GET TO WORK WITH SOMEONE RATHER THAN JUST, UM, WE, WE, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THESE ANIMAL CONTROLS BEFORE MM-HMM. , WE, WE KNOW THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO APART FROM SQUARE FOOT COST IN TERMS OF ACTUAL BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU CAN GET TO A POINT WE FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'VE DONE'S PROVEN IN THE PAST. UH, WE WE'RE AT A SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE BUILDING. SO WE CAN'T REALLY REDUCE THAT ANY, UM, WE'VE TAKEN AS MUCH, UH, AESTHETICS OFF THE BUILDING THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH DOING THAT. WE CAN STILL LIVE WITH IT, UM, AS YOU CAN, AS YOU, AS YOU CAN. UM, AND SO IT, IT, NOW WE'RE GETTING TO THE, TO THE, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF IT NOW, OF MEETING WITH THE MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL, PLUMBING, CIVIL AND SAYING, OKAY, WITHIN YOUR SPECIFICATIONS, SECTION SIZING ON PIPING, UM, MECHANICAL EXTRACTION SYSTEMS, UM, CAN WE LIVE WITHOUT THIS? CAN WE LIVE WITHOUT THIS? CAN WE LIVE WITHOUT HIGH SPEED, UM, DOORS FOR THE RETRACTABLE DOORS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE START WITH THE BASELINE AND WE ASK FOR THEIR EXPERTISE ON THE BUILDING END AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANTS. WE ALL GET AROUND THE TABLE TOGETHER AND THEN WE COME UP WITH A PROJECT THAT WITHIN THAT, AND, AND AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLEAR ON, ON THIS ASSIGNMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS JUST GIVING THE CITY MANAGER, UH, APPROVAL TO DO THE NEGOTIATION WITH THE CONTRACT WITH, UH, WE BUILD TEXAS. AND SO AGAIN, THEY'RE, WE, WE WERE, THEIR PROPOSED WAS 1 94, BUT IT COULD BE NO, THAT 1 94 IS THEIR FEE. THEIR FEE. SO THAT WILL BE, BUT WHAT WE GONNA NEGOTIATE WITH THE GENERAL CONTRACT TERMS AND OTHER STUFF. SO, AND THEN ONCE, ONCE WE REACH THE AGREEMENT, WE'LL BRING BACK TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL AWARD. SO AT THIS MOMENT, YOU JUST GIVING US AUTHORIZATION SO WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH THEM, GO THROUGH THE PLANS CONVERSATION AND THEY, THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE. YES, WE CAN BUILD IT. RIGHT. A TWO. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION. NO, WE ARE NOT GIVING THEM $200,000 AT THIS MOMENT. WE JUST GIVING THE AUTHORITY TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM TO TALK. SO LEMME ASK YOU A QUESTION. IS IT A POSSIBILITY, COST OR SAVINGS SHARING? SO FOR EXAMPLE, THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WE'RE USING ROUND NUMBERS HERE. SO IF YOU RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT WOULD SAVE A COST, FOR EXAMPLE, $50,000, A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MM-HMM. THAT THE CITY AND YOUR COMPANY SHARE THEIR COST. DO YOU WANT THAT ONE? THAT, THAT, THAT ONE COUNCILMAN? BECAUSE THE 3.7 IS THE CONSTRUCTION COST. ANY SAVINGS, IT BELONGS TO US. THE CONTRACTOR IS ALREADY GETTING THEIR FEES. SO IF THEY CAN COME BACK AND SAY, I CAN SAVE YOU $200,000, THAT IS THE SAVINGS FOR US. SO WHAT'S THE INCENTIVE FOR THEM? HE'S HE'S GETTING ALREADY PAID TO DO THE JOB. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO WHAT HE'S, HE GETS THE PAY NO MATTER WHAT. I WANT TO HAVE A CLAUSE. HE'S NOT AT RISK THOUGH. IF HE GOES OVER, HE GOES OVER, THEN I'M TALKING ABOUT UNDER, I WANNA HAVE SOME INCENTIVE FOR HIM TO BE UNDER. THERE IS NO INCENTIVE HERE TO BE UNDER. WELL ACTUALLY IT IS BECAUSE WELL, IT, IT, IT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. IT'S A BIT LIKE OVER AND UNDER. BUT IF YOU, HIS FEE IS STILL GONNA MAKE HIS FEE. RIGHT. IF HE COULD SAVE ANOTHER A HUNDRED THOUSAND, HIS, HIS FEE PERCENTAGE MARKUP WILL NOT REDUCE. HE STILL GETS THAT FEE. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO IT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH IN THERE. YES, THERE IS. BUT I WILL SAY, UM, CREATING RELATIONSHIPS FOR LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIPS AND TRUST, UM, WE'VE, WE DID A PROJECT, UM, IN SINE THAT WHERE WE DID AN OLD HOSS TOOK AN OLD HOSPITAL AND TURNED TO A VETERANS, UH, VETERANS AFFAIRS BUILDING GIVEN NEW LIFE AND WORKING WITH A CONTRACTOR ON THAT ONE. THEY SAVED ABOUT, IT WAS A FOUR AND A HALF MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING AND WE SAVED ABOUT $200,000 TO THE COUNTY. THEY STILL GOT THEIR FEE. BUT NO, I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE YOUR FEE, I'M TALKING ABOUT REDUCTION IN THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. BUT THEY DID, THEY, THE REDUCED THE INCENTIVE FOR THE CONSTRUCTOR [00:40:02] AND THE CITY AND YOU AS AN I MEDIATORY TO WORK ON SAVINGS. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAVE EXTRA A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YEAH, THEY HAVE A NICKEL, WE HAVE A NICKEL. OTHERWISE THERE IS NO INCENTIVE. WELL, BASED ON THE, THE OTHER BIDS WERE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IF WE CAN KEEP IT AT 3.7 MILLION, WHICH IS WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED IN THE BOND. GREAT. YEAH. SO, BUT THAT, THAT'S MY FEAR, RIGHT. IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE LAST TIME WE, WE STARTED HAVING CONVERSATIONS AND BUILDING IT GOT TO $6 MILLION, WHICH WAS INSANE. MM-HMM. . SO THAT'S WHERE THE HESITATION RIGHT? EVERYBODY'S A LITTLE GUN SHY THAT MM-HMM. , WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY TO SIT AND TALK AGAIN. AND WHERE, WHERE WE GONNA COME OUT OF THE OTHER END, WE MAY COME OUT LESS MM-HMM. . BUT WE MAY COME OUT LESS, BUT WE MAY COME OUT AT $6 MILLION. BUT TONIGHT ALL WE'RE APPROVING IS YES, SIT DOWN WITH THIS COMPANY AND TALK ABOUT IT. IF THE CONTRACT, IF WE, WE DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, THEY DON'T GET THE 194,000. RIGHT. IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH COMPANY, IT'S A GOOD COMPANY TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE FIRST PART OF THE PROCESS. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT APPROVING AN EXPENDITURE AT THIS TIME. THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND OUR POINT TOO. OH, I UNDERSTAND. WE HAVE, WE HAVE PEOPLE COME HERE EVERY OTHER MONDAY AND TELL US ABOUT GOOD FATE AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY DO HAVE GOOD FATE AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE GOOD FAITH. OH, I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. MOST OF THE TIME I WOULD SAY I'VE DONE, BETWEEN ALL THE COUNTY AND PUBLIC WORK THAT I'VE BEEN, I'VE DONE THE LAST 25, 20 PLUS, 25 PLUS YEARS, UM, UH, OUTTA THE LAST PUBLIC PROJECTS, EVERYONE HAS BEEN CMAR AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS GONE THE OTHER WAY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A COMBINED TEAM EFFORT, UM, JUST TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE SELECTED. AND THERE ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FAITH IN EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT. AND I AGREE. IT'S A BIT LIKE THE WAY THE WORLD HAS CHANGED FROM I, I'VE DONE, I'VE DONE EXERCISES IN MY ARCHITECTURAL PRACTICE. WELL, I'M ACTUALLY A CONTRACTOR AS WELL, SO I I'M AN UNUSUAL ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THINGS COST TO BUILD. YEAH. SO IT'S, IT'S FUNNY HOW THE WORLD HAS CHANGED FROM HAVING FIXED BIDS, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED WITH THE, WITH THE RESTROOM. MM-HMM. IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A DIFFICULT POSITION BECAUSE IT'S PUBLIC MONEY. SO THERE'S CERTAIN CRITERIA YOU HAVE TO HAVE, EVEN THOUGH LOGIC WOULD JUST, WOULD DICTATE THAT, WELL, SOMEONE SHOULD KNOW THIS OR THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER PROCESS THAT MORE EXPLORATORY INFORMATION COULD HAPPEN. IT, THE, THE, THE, THE POINT OF IT IS, IS THAT THROUGH ALL THE SYSTEMS I'VE SEEN OVER THE YEARS OF PICKING FIVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO PUT A BID TOGETHER ARE THEN GOING WITH NEGOTIATED BID SYSTEM. NONE OF THEM ARE, ARE PERFECT IN ANY WHICH WAY. AND I THINK THE CMRS PUT TOGETHER THE BEST BITS OF WHAT YOU CAN WITH THIS LOWEST LEVEL OF FAITH. BUT IT'S ALL ABOUT COMMUNICATION. YEAH. AND, UH, AND I THINK GOING THIS, THIS ROUTE, IT'S, IT, EVERYONE HAS WORKED OUT THAT WE'VE WORKED ON. THERE HASN'T BEEN ONE THAT HASN'T. AND MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, WE'VE ACTUALLY SAVED MONEY IN THE PROCESS. I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND PICKING UP THE PHONE OVER CHRISTMAS AND CONTACTING THE REFERENCES. THAT GOES A LONG WAY. UM, I'M GOOD WITH MOVING FORWARD. I WILL JUST SAY FOR THE RECORD, I WILL NOT EVER PUT MY NAME ON ANYTHING OVER 3.7 MILLION JUST TO BE CLEAR. BUT LET'S GET AN ANIMAL SHELTER BUILT. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM FOUR. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR APPROVING, UH, GIVING THE CITY MANAGER APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATIONS FOR CONTRACT TERMS AND BRING BACK THE CITY COUNCIL. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SELECTION OF THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR. WE BILL TEXAS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT TERMS AND TO BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR AN AWARD OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. ALL WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER SETH, SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN HANYA. FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [5. Approve the second reading of Ordinance No. 2280 prohibitng parking on Dahlia, Oak Drive South, and Coton Drive. – Sherri Russell] WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM FIVE AS APPROVED SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 8 0 PROHIBITING PARKING ON THE HIGH DAHLIA OAK DRIVE, UH, SOUTH AND, UH, COTTON DRIVE. OKAY. AND THIS IS, I I MADE THE CHANGE THAT YOU ALL ASKED FOR. THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT WASN'T ON CONSENT. WE CHANGED DAHLIA TO JUST THE, UM, AFTERNOON SCHOOL ZONE HOURS ON SCHOOL DAYS. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO, I WILL JUST SAY I'VE HAD TWO PEOPLE REACH OUT VICTORIA SIMMONS, AND THEN I HAD A PHONE CALL TODAY AS WELL FROM, GIMME ONE SECOND HERE. [00:45:03] YOUNG LADY WHO, SORRY, HERE IT IS. UM, HER NAME IS KRISTA FUNK. SHE'S THE PTO PRESIDENT AND, UH, BOTH, BOTH PARTIES THAT REACHED OUT TO ME. I WAS JUST GLAD THAT WE HAD SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. IT WAS NICE. RIGHT. UM, THEY'RE ALL IN FAVOR OF DOING THE SIGNS. A LOT OF THE PARENTS DON'T SEEM REAL HAPPY WITH THE, UH, DELAYING THE WALKERS TILL FOUR O'CLOCK. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT. THAT'S NOT OUR CALL. I'VE ENCOURAGED THEM TO CONTINUE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SCHOOL. UM, BUT IT SEEMED PRETTY COLLECTIVE THAT THEY DO FEEL LIKE HAVING THE SIGNS IN PLACE ALLOWS PD TO, UH, GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO WORK WITH TO BE ABLE TO WRITE TICKETS AS NEEDED. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT, THAT I HAD TWO REACH OUTS FOR. AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY SAID FOR BOTH OF 'EM. YEAH. AND I HAD SOME OTHER CALLS AND SOME EMAILS AND STUFF, AND Y'ALL GOT SOME OF THE SAME EMAILS I BELIEVE. BUT, UH, MY, MY DISAPPOINTMENT IN THIS, THIS REQUEST IS, IS THAT, UH, BISD DIDN'T TALK TO US. UH, BISD JUST MADE A DECISION OF THAT THEY'RE GOING TO GO CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE IT TO FOUR O'CLOCK AND THEN WE'RE GETTING THE PHONE CALLS OF WHERE THE CALLS FOR IT. THE CITY IS THE CAUSE OF, OF THE FOUR O'CLOCK. NO, WE'RE NOT. BISD IS THE REASON FOR IT. AND THE OTHER REASON FOR IT IS, IS THE HANDFUL OF PARENTS THAT DON'T WANT TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES THAT ARE GIVEN BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ON HOW TO PICK UP YOUR KIDS. AND SO WE'RE HAVING TO GO THE EXTRA STEP OF, OF DOING THIS, WHICH AGAIN, THERE HASN'T BEEN REALLY ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTS FROM US ABOUT GOING FORWARD, WHETHER WE JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT WE'RE SENSITIVE, UH, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALSO. BUT IT WAS BROUGHT, UNLESS I'M MISUNDERSTANDING, IT WAS BROUGHT TO US BY RESIDENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF NOT BECAUSE IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE, IT WAS BECAUSE THEY'RE TIRED OF PEOPLE'S PARKING IN THEIR STREET AND WAITING FOR VEHICLES. IT WASN'T ANYTHING ABOUT SAFETY. AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE IF BISD IF THEY WOULD'VE WERE SEEING IT IF THEY HAD A CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY. IF THEY WOULD'VE PICKED UP THE PHONE AND SAID, HEY GUYS, WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM. CAN WE TALK ABOUT IT? AND THEY DIDN'T DO IT AND THEY JUST WISH THEY WOULD HAVE. I HOPE THEY DO THAT IN THE FUTURE WITH US. UH, WE ARE GOING TO, UH, TAKE TO TRAFFIC THE REQUEST, THE SUGGESTION OF MOVING THE, THE, THE, UH, NO PARKING SIGNS FURTHER ALONG UP, UH, TO THE S-CURVE AND, AND SEE IF TRACK WHAT TRAFFIC HAS TO SAY ABOUT THAT. UH, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS WE CAN, I MEAN, WE CAN'T PUT NO PARKING SIGNS ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT STREET BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA KEEP MOVING THEIR KIDS DOWN THE STREET TO PICK 'EM UP. SO I DON'T KNOW. BUT IT'S AGAIN, AT, AT NO TIME DID THIS COUNCIL, UH, EVER THINK ABOUT NOT SAYING NO OR, OR SAYING NO TO THIS. IT WAS JUST, WE WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT IT A REALISTIC WAY AND, AND UNDERSTOOD THAT IT WAS A REQUEST AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD REQUESTED. SO. OKAY. UH, ANYTHING ELSE ON IT? ANYBODY FROM, I KNOW NOBODY SIGNED UP TO TALK. DID ANYBODY ELSE ON WANNA TALK ABOUT IT FROM THE AUDIENCE? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, AND TO SEE, UH, LET'S SEE. GO AHEAD AND READ THE ORDINANCE PLEASE. JUST THE ABOVE. ORDINANCE NUMBER 24 DASH 22 8 0. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER 38, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES IN THE LAKE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES TO DESIGNATE PARTS OF LIA STREET OAK DRIVE SOUTH AND COTTON STREET AS NO PARKING ZONE PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE SAYS IN CONFLICT HERE, HEREWITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT. ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY, PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL TAKE EFFECT AND BE ENFORCED FIVE DAYS AFTER PUBLICATION. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU AGAIN. THIS IS SECOND READING, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. TAM. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 8 0 PROHIBITING PARKING ON DAHLIA OAK DRIVE, SOUTH COTTON DRIVE AS PRESENTED. ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN HANYA. SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN SETH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ITEM [6. Discuss amending the charter to add an effectve date for laws that are passed by initatve. – Sherri Russell] SIX, DISCUSS AMENDING THE CHARTER TO ADD AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR LAWS THAT ARE PASSED BY, UH, INITIATIVE SHERRY. OKAY. THIS WAS JUST THE LAST LITTLE BIT FROM THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. RIGHT. AND, UH, IT'S, UH, THE INITIATIVE IS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE RABBITS WHERE THE, THERE'S CALLED, THERE'S INITIATIVES AND REFERENDUMS AND BASICALLY THE CITIZENS [00:50:01] GET A PETITION TO GET SOMETHING TO PUT ON THE BALLOT. AND, UM, AND THE PROBLEM IS THE CHARTER SAYS IF ENOUGH PEOPLE VOTE, IT SHALL THEIR UPON BECOME EFFECTIVE. AND, UM, AND SO WE BROUGHT TO THE REVIEW COMMISSION, WELL WHAT, WHAT IS THERE UPON MEAN? AND THEY SAID, UM, I GUESS THEY SAID CLARIFY IT IMMEDIATELY. AND NOW I'M THINKING, I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT IMMEDIATELY MEANS. AND I WENT TO LOOK AT OTHER CHARTERS AND SOME OF 'EM ARE AS VAGUE AS OURS, AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY SAY EITHER UPON PASSAGE OR UPON CANVASSING OF THE VOTE. UM, I, I LIKE CANVASSING IN THE VOTE BECAUSE Y'ALL SEE IT AND YOU TALK ABOUT IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, RATHER THAN THE SECOND THE COUNTY TELLS TELLS YOU, YES, EVERYTHING PASSED, THIS IS WHAT PASSED AND IT BECAME AN EFFECT. YEAH. BECAUSE THE, THERE'S NO CODIFIED, I MEAN, THE LANGUAGE THAT WILL ULTIMATELY RESULTS ISN'T PRESENTED TO THE VOTER. RIGHT. IT'S THIS AMORPHOUS SORT OF IDEA OF REGISTER. WE DON'T, OR DO WE SEND, THERE'S NOT LIKE CODIFIED RED LINES THAT THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE TO, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT. THIS IS THE ONLY ONE WE'VE EVER HAD. AND SO IT WASN'T COMPLICATED. RIGHT. BUT I, I, I MEAN CITY OF HOUSTON HAS HAD REALLY COMPLICATED ONES AND, AND IT GETS, AND THAT GETS PUT ON A BALLOT AND HOPEFULLY WE, WE CAN JUST KEEP THINGS SIMPLE. SHOULD WE ALLOW RABBITS CITY OF LAKE JACKSON SHOULD WE ALLOW THES IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON? UM, BUT IF IT, LIKE THE ONE THAT THEY JUST PASSED, UM, THE, THE PEOPLE WHO PETITIONED IT GOT ON THE BALLOT SAID, THIS WON'T TAKE EFFECT UNTIL 60 DAYS AFTER IT PASSES. THINKING THAT WAS ENOUGH TIME FOR HOUSTON TO, TO JUMP THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS. AND IT'S NOT, IT'S STILL NOT EFFECTIVE YET BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL ON HGAC. SO, UM, ANYWAY, I LIKE CANVASSING BECAUSE Y'ALL GET TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT AND SAY, OKAY, CLICK THE BUTTON. THIS IS NOT EFFECTIVE. BUT IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS THE COUNTY ANNOUNCES THE VOTE TALLY. YEAH. AGAIN, IT'S JUST BY, YOU KNOW, DOING THAT SAME CANVAS DATE, UH, OR AFTER IT'S CANVASED. IS IT, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WITHIN A TIME PERIOD YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT AT, AFTER THAT TIME PERIOD OF OVERVIEW WITH IS YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO IT. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THEY HAS BEEN PASSED TO. AND SO IT JUST GIVES YOU, UH, AGAIN, GIVES US SOME TIME TO TAKE SOME ACTION IF, IF NEEDED TO CLEAN THINGS UP BEFORE YOU IMPLEMENTED. YEAH. AND, AND AN ORDINANCE, I MEAN, I WOULD, I HAVE TO BRING THE ORDINANCE AND I THINK I DID THAT THE MEETING AFTER THE CANVASSING. UM, BUT IT HAS TO, IT HAS TO BE PRETTY FAST. YEAH. IT HAS TO BE ORDERLY. YOU KNOW, ORDERLY, ORDERLY IMPLEMENTED. IT DOESN'T BE ORDERLY. YES IT DOES. IT DOES. IT DOES. IF THERE, IF IT'S A REFERENDUM TO CANCEL AN ORDINANCE THAT Y'ALL PASSED, THAT ORDINANCE IS, IS AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED AS SOON AS THE, YOU SEE, THE PETITION IS SUFFICIENT, UM, FOR IT TO GO TO THE VOTER. SO IT'S NOT REALLY THAT MUCH OF A PROBLEM WITH THE REFERENCE. IT'S WHEN A NEW LOG IS INITIATED. OKAY. AND I, I THINK I SAID THIS LAST TIME, BUT I SEE BOTH SIDES OF THIS. RIGHT. SO I CAN SEE WHERE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE PROPOSED AND WRITTEN UP THAT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO IMPLEMENT, WE NEED SOME TIME THAT THE CI THE CITY NEEDS SOME TIME TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT I ALSO SEE THAT IF THEY WENT THROUGH THIS EXTENT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET WHAT THEY WANTED FROM THEIR CITY COUNCIL. SO THEY WENT AROUND CITY COUNCIL. SO THEY'RE PUTTING THE WORD IMMEDIATELY SO THAT THE CITY THEN CAN'T DRAG THEIR FEET. RIGHT, EXACTLY. SO YOU DON'T WANNA SAY, YEAH, WE'LL DO THAT NEXT YEAR. WE'LL DO, YEAH, WE'LL GET TO THAT EVENTUALLY. NO, THEY PUT IMMEDIATELY 'CAUSE THEY WANT IT DONE NOW. SO, AND I WOULD PICK THAT APART A LITTLE BIT FURTHER THAT IF WE'VE GONE TO THE EXTENT OF A REFERENDUM, WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREPARING FOR AN OUTCOME TO START WITH AND IT SHOULD BE PRETTY IMMEDIATELY. UM, I MEAN, BECAUSE CLEARLY IF WE GET TO THAT POINT, WE'VE JUST, WE'VE DISCUSSED IT TO DEATH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, IT'S COME TO COUNCIL. MM-HMM. . AND YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS IS NOT A SURPRISE. YOU'RE RIGHT. SO, YEAH, I MEAN, IT SHOULD SOMETHING WE KNOW SOMETHING'S COMING. MM-HMM, PRETTY QUICKLY. SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF CANVASSING? SO BEFORE COMPUTERS, YOU ALL WOULD GET, UM, THE VOTE TALLIES BY THE COUNT BY THE COUNTY TO BE IN THESE BIG ENVELOPES AND, UM, A SUBCOMMITTEE. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED IN SAN MARCOS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL DID HERE. THE SUBCOMMITTEE WOULD GO BACK INTO, UH, AN OFFICE AND GO THROUGH ALL THE TALLIES AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE ALL CORRECT AND THEN BRING THEM FORTH [00:55:01] AND SAY, YES, THIS IS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE RESULTS WITH COMPUTERS NOWADAYS, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A FORMALITY. IT'S SORT OF LIKE, WHAT'S THE DELAY BETWEEN SAY, WINNING AN ELECTION AND ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO SIT IN THE CHAIR AND AND MAKE A MOTION? IS THERE, IS THERE A LIMIT OR A DAYCARE LIMIT? NO, WE DO IT. THE, WE DO IT THE FOLLOWING MEETING. THE NEXT MEETING. WE DON'T CALL A SPECIAL MEETING, BUT IT'S THE NEXT MEETING. BUT IT'S NOT UNTIL YOU, IT'S SORT OF LIKE AN AFFIRMATIVE STEP. YOU TAKE THE OATH, YOU GET THE OLD, THE OLD COUNCIL CANVASES. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE NEW PEOPLE COME ON. UM, CITY SECRETARY SWEARS YOU IN, BUT THERE'S LIKE A, A THING THAT HAPPENS YES. FROM THIS POINT FORWARD TO GO, BUT IT, IT'S, IT'S NOT SEE, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M THINKING OF IT TOO, LIKE IMMEDIATELY. IS THAT A MINUTE? 30 MINUTES. AN HOUR, TWO HOURS. BUT IF IT SAYS SOMETHING LIKE THREE DAYS, WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, ON THAT THIRD DAY OR THE FOLLOWING REGULAR, THE FOLLOWING REGULAR MEETING OR SOME RIGHT. I WOULD, I THINK THAT IMMEDIATELY COUNSEL THE COUNSELING. THE COUNSELING HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD. CORRECT. CANVASING IS REQUIRE IT, IT CAN'T BE TOO QUICK. IT CAN'T BE TOO LONG. THAT'S RIGHT. SALLY WOULD KNOW. UH, BUT ALSO, WELL, CANVASSING DOESN'T REQUIRE FULL COUNSEL. IT ONLY REQUIRES TWO PEOPLE TO CANVAS THE VOTE. SO, UH, SO IT CAN BE DONE, IT CAN BE DONE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO FOLLOW WITH A COUNCIL MEETING, SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING. BUT THERE, BUT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A CANVAS. CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TO OF THE ELECTION RESULTS. YES. AND IT'S REQUIRED BY LAW TO HAPPEN WITHIN A CERTAIN TIMEFRAME. IT'S A SORT OF WELL UNDERSTOOD, WELL-ESTABLISHED PROCEDURE THAT ALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS GO THROUGH. SO IT'S MUCH LESS AMBIGUOUS THAN THERE, THERE UPON, OR EVEN IMMEDIATELY. 'CAUSE IT'S WHAT IT FURTHER DEFINES A TIMEFRAME. TIMEFRAME. SO, ALRIGHT, SO THAT'S, IF YOU GET THE 51% RIGHT? MM-HMM. . ALRIGHT. 15 A VOTE. SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS CANVASSING. BUT I LIKE THE NEXT REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING TOO. THAT WHICH WOULD BE, THAT'S THE CANVASSING. WE, THERE'S NO DELAY. YEAH. THAT NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SOUNDS REASONABLE BECAUSE YOU WOULD ALWAYS HAVE ONE, YOU KNOW. YES. I MEAN, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND DOES IT HAVE TO GO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO FIRST AND SECOND READING, UM, IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE, NO, I THINK I DID IT FIRST AND FINAL BECAUSE FIRST AND FINAL. OKAY. IT WAS JUST, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S JUST AS EASY TO JUST SAY, NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. MM-HMM, . OKAY. NEXT. SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING. NEXT SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING. SO IF THAT'S TWO, TWO WEEKS AWAY, WHAT, IF YOU HAVE ANY ISSUES BETWEEN THAT TIME, HOW DO YOU HAVE, HOW DO WE ADDRESS, HANDLE THAT? WE WILL. OH, BUT OH, BUT YOU MAY BECAUSE YOU ASKED. 'CAUSE I WOULD, I LIKE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE, I WOULD SAY, WELL, THE CITIZENS VOTED ON IT AND PASSED IT IN THAT TWO WEEK TIMEFRAME. YOU JUST HAVEN'T GIVEN YOUR APPROVAL. ARE YOU GONNA WRITE ME A TICKET FOR IT? AM I, NO. GOD, THERE'S A GRAY AREA OUT THERE. WE WOULD, WE WOULD, WE WOULD NOT. WE WOULD YOU SAY WE WOULD, YOU WOULD TRUST THAT THE VERY LEARNED JUDGE MIGHT, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, WE, WOULD RESOLVE. Y'ALL ARE LAWYERS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING, . THAT WE WOULD YEAH. Y'ALL KNOW THAT AREA. IF, IF SOMEONE WAS RENTING A TICKET FOR, FOR SOMETHING THAT, UM, WAS NO LONGER ILLEGAL, THAT TRUST ME, THAT IT, IT WOULD BE THROWN AROUND. WE WOULD NOT, IT TRUST ME, TRUST THE LAWYER. I'M A LAWYER. BUT I MEAN, ARE YOU, YOU'RE SU YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEIR CON IS LESS, IS LESS AMBIGUOUS THAN THE FIRST DATE, THAN THE, I MEAN, RIGHT. THE PROBLEM IS AMBIGUITY. BUT I, I THINK IT, YOU ARE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE PROBLEMS. I MEAN, WHAT IF IT'S THE NEXT DAY? WHAT IF IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS IMMEDIATELY AND IT'S THE DAY AFTER YOU HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. WE SAY, WHY COULDN'T WE SAY ONCE IT 95% OF THE REPORTING WAS COMPLETED? SO MAYBE THAT'S TWO HOURS OUT. WELL, IT'S CLOSED. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A DEFINITE. NOBODY KNOWS. YEAH. NO, YOU, I MEAN, 5%. YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND LIKE, AND I'VE, THERE ARE LAWS OF COURSE THAT SAY LIKE, OH, 600 GREENWICH MEAN TIME. YOU KNOW? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU CAN BE VERY SPECIFIC TECHNICAL IF YOU WANT. BUT, UM, YOU TRY TO FIND THAT, I MEAN, IF, IF THEY WAITED FOR THIS WHOLE TIME FOR THE PROCESS TO HAPPEN AND WAITED FOR THE ELECTION AND WAITED FOR THE VOTES TO BE COUNTED, I IMAGINE, UNLESS IT'S A BIG EMERGENCY, THAT COULD BE CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING IF WE HAD TO. BUT NORMALLY TALKING ABOUT OUR NEXT MEETING SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT. I MEAN, YEAH, YOU WOULD HOPE YOU WOULD'VE COMMON SENSE WOULD PREVAIL. SURE. YEAH. AND WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ILLEGAL NOW BECOMING LEGAL BECAUSE THAT'S A REFERENDUM AND THAT ORDINANCE [01:00:01] IS, IS ALREADY SUSPENDED BECAUSE OF THE REFERENDUM. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A NEW LAW GOING INTO OFFENSE. SO IT WOULD BE MORE LIKELY IT'S ILLEGAL TO MOW YOUR LAWN SUNDAY MORNINGS AT 7:00 AM AT, AT SOME POINT THE COUNTY CERTIFIES THE ELECTION RESULTS. BUT ONCE THEY'RE CERTIFIED, THEN IT SHOULD, IT SHOULD BE, WE SHOULD SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GO FORWARD. I MEAN WE'RE, WE'VE GOT OUR MARCHING ORDERS AND SO WHATEVER THAT IS, AND THEN I HAVE, I NEED TO BRING YOU IN, THEN YOU BRING IT TO US TO, TO FINALIZE IT. BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S, YEAH. ONCE IT'S BEEN CERTIFIED, THE VOTE'S BEEN CERTIFIED BY THE COUNTY, THEN IT'S PRETTY MUCH LAW UNTIL, YEAH. I MEAN, AND I DUNNO WHAT THAT IS. IF IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY, IF IT'S IN 24 HOURS OR WHAT THE TIMEFRAME IS. BUT, UM, THEY, I I THINK THEY WAIT 'CAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY DO THE EASY, THE EASY STUFF IS THE COMPUTER AND THEN THEY HAVE THE MAILING VOTES. RIGHT. AND THE SICK VOTES AND THE LATE VOTES. AND I DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL THESE OTHER VOTES. BUT I THINK IF WE CAN FIND OUT IF, IF THE PRI IF THE APPROPRIATE COURT, MY MY UNDER SUGGESTION WOULD BE IS IF WE, IF WE TALK TO THE COUNTY AND FIND OUT WHAT THE CERTIFICATION TIMEFRAME IS, WHEN IS IT CERTIFIED? MY IDEA IS WE COULD JUST, MY RECOMMENDATION IS WE PUT IN HERE ONCE, ONCE THE VOTE HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY COUNTY. YEAH. IT'S BETTER THEN IT'S, THAT'S THAT'S THE DROP, THAT'S THE DATE. THAT'S THE TIME. BECAUSE WE CAN'T CHANGE IT. RIGHT. EVEN NO. THAT WE CAN'T ALTER IT. YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WORDS. IT IS WHAT IT IS. RIGHT. SO IT DOESN'T NEED OUR APPROVAL. RIGHT. IT DOESN'T NEED OUR APPROVAL AT ALL. IT'S DONE. I LIKE THAT. MAYBE I'M, I'M SORRY. MAYBE I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN BY YOU CAN'T CHANGE THE WORDS. 'CAUSE THEY, THEY WILL HAVE PUT THE WORDS IN IN NOTHING WE CAN, NOTHING WE CAN DO CAN CHANGE THE INTENT OF WHAT WAS PASSED. LETTERS. RIGHT. THE INTENT COUNSEL'S NOT ALLOWED TO THE INTENT YOU CHANGE. 'CAUSE THE INTENT IS, IS A VERY, THAT'S GOT A VERY SPECIFIC LEGAL MEANING. AND ALMOST ALL THE CRIMINAL TRIALS, ESPECIALLY YOU SEE INTENT IN THE WORLD ARE ARE SET FORTH TO GET A JURY TO TELL YOU WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PERSON ACTING WAS. AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT DEFINABLE ALMOST BY DEFINITION. UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I THINK SOME OF SHERRY'S, AND DON'T LEMME SPEAK FOR YOU SHERRY, BUT LIKE, LIKE IN HOUSTON, IT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED AS PART OF THE PROCESS TO, TO EDIT THE ORDINANCE OR TO DRAFT A NEW ONE. THEY'RE NOT, THEY, THEY CAN EDIT OR DRAFT. THEY PROPOSE TO US WHAT THEY WANT THE ORDINANCE TO SAY. NO, THEY PROPOSE TO THE VOTERS WHAT, WHAT THEY WANT THE ORDINANCE TO SAY. BUT IT CAN BE, IT CAN BE ONE QUESTION. SHOULD WE, SHOULD WE NOT ALLOW NOISY PEOPLE SUNDAY MORNING? UH, IT COULD BE THEY COULD WRITE THE ORDINANCE THE WAY I WRITE ORDINANCES. IT'S, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT. IT'S NO, IT'S THEIR PETITION. AND SO IF, IF, IF, IF WHAT GETS PASSED IS NOT A A, YOU KNOW WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER LIKE A CODE, AN OR LIKE A WRITTEN. RIGHT. THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET IT. I THOUGHT THEY DID. 'CAUSE WHEN THEY THEY DID BECAUSE THEY TOOK WHAT I DID. NO, NO. I THOUGHT IT TELLS THEM THAT THEY HAVE TO, IT DOESN'T TELL ME THEY HAVE TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCE. RIGHT. SO I THINK SOME OF THIS CUSHION IS TO GET IN PLACE WHAT THE ORDINANCE MIGHT BE LIKE THE FORMAL ORDINANCE IN, IN, IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I, UM, AND MAYBE I'M, MAYBE I'M OFF. I DON'T KNOW. UH, I, I WISH, I DON'T KNOW. UH, I THINK, OKAY, ANNA, WHEN DO WE NEED TO HAVE THIS? DO I HAVE TO, DO I NEED TO BRING BACK MY CHARTER AMENDMENTS NEXT MEETING? DO YOU KNOW? YES, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO APPROVE LIKE FEBRUARY, THE LANGUAGE IN FEBRUARY, THE FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY. I THINK THE LAST DATE OF ORDER IS ON FEBRUARY THE 16TH. OKAY. SO, SO I'LL BE BRINGING THIS TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING AND, UM, UH, LET ME GET WITH, WITH SALLY AND TALK TO HER ABOUT CERTIFICATIONS AND UM, ET CETERA. AND THEN, UM, I'LL, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU, BUT WE CAN STILL HAVE A DISCUSSION AND I CAN STILL CLEAN IT UP AND GET IT AND WE CAN GET IT IN BY THE 16TH. BUT I'LL TALK TO HER ABOUT, DOES, DOES THE COUNTY NOTIFY HER WITH CERTIFICATIONS? UM, AND WHAT ARE THEIR REQUIREMENTS? LIKE, DO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS TAKEN CARE OF A CERTAIN TIME? UNDERSTAND COUNCIL'S GONNA HAVE TO RATIFY OPERATOR. HOW DETAILED DOES THAT PETITION HAVE TO BE? MAY BE WRONG. I FOR AN ORDINANCE, HAVE ROOM FOR A WHOLE ORDINANCE ON IT. IT'S LIKE A, A LINE AND RIGHT. IT'S LIKE THE, WE JUST VOTED ON CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS. RIGHT? EXCUSE ME. RIGHT. BUT IF, IF YOU READ THROUGH THERE, IT DOESN'T, I MEAN THERE ARE, THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE CONSTITUTION THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, RED LINES. THIS IS GETTING [01:05:01] STRUCK OUT. THIS IS GETTING ADDED. BUT THAT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T VOTE. YOU DON'T SEE THAT. NO. THE BALLOT AT THE POLL, RIGHT? NO, IT'S JUST SOME GAR YOU KNOW, SOME PHRASE LAWYER THINGS. SOME ARE SHORT, SOME ARE, SOME ARE TALL. BUT THAT'S RIGHT. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY DEVELOPED THOSE RED LINES AND, AND SOMETHING PASSES AND YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP THEM, YOU CAN'T, IT WOULDN'T, IT'D BE NONSENSICAL TO SAY IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO ENFORCE THE, LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE, IF IF THE, IF THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD WE DELETE SECTION ONE A? BUT YEAH, THAT'S EASY MA'AM. IT'S DELETED. YEAH. BUT COUNCIL, COUNCIL MONETTE IS SAYING IS ONCE THE LECTURE PROCESS STARTS AND THERE'S THE GREECE, THAT IT, THEY HAVE ENOUGH VOTES AND IT'S GOING TO THE VOTERS, THE CITY COULD ALREADY BE WORKING ON WHAT IF PASSES, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. SO THERE SHOULDN'T BE A LAG OF WEEK OR TWO WEEKS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE. BECAUSE ONCE IT'S ALREADY GOING TO THE VOTERS, THE CITY COULD GO AHEAD AND BE READY FOR THE CHANGE. YES, THEY COULD. BUT WHAT IF THE COUNCIL DISAGREES ON WHETHER OR NOT, WELL, IT'S NOT COUNCIL'S FAULT, THE EDITS. WELL AT THAT POINT, ONCE IT GOES TO THE VOTERS, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING, WHEN IT COMES BACK, YOU GET RED LINES AND I READ THE RED LINES AND SAY, THIS DOES NOT MANIFEST THE INTENT OF THE VOTERS AS I UNDERSTOOD IT. AND YOU THINK THAT IT DOES, THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, IS THAT NOT WHAT HOUSTON'S GOING THROUGH? A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE, WHETHER OR NOT THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY'RE DRAFTING, THE, THE, WHAT HOUSTON DID WAS, UM, IT'S MORE COMPLICATED 'CAUSE THEY BASICALLY PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO FOLLOW. AND, AND NOW IT'S A TANGLE. IT'S A, IT'S A TANGLE. AND AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT JUST ISN'T WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THEY TELL YOU TO DO SOMETHING IMPOSSIBLE? UM, WELL LET'S, LET'S, IT'S JUST, LET'S FINISH THIS UP FOR THE NIGHT OF, IT'S JUST, SHERRY'S GONNA GO AND FIND OUT INFORMATION ON THE CERTIFICATION WITH THE COUNTY'S CERTIFICATION, UH, AND FIND OUT WHAT THAT, THAT TIMELINE IS. AND UM, UM, I, I THINK THAT'S, I MEAN THE MAIN THING IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN ARE, WHEN'S THE, THE DATE THAT WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT HAPPENS AND, UM, PUTTING SOMETHING IN THERE MORE DEFINITE THAN, UH, THERE UPON. YES. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. SO JUST TRYING TO REPLACE A WORD I, AND, UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA SOLVE IT TONIGHT. OKAY. WE [7. Ratfy $100,000 in emergency repairs to the Civic Center Buss Weatherhead and CT Enclosure with Melton Electrical. – Robin Hyden] WILL MOVE ON TO, UM, ITEM SEVEN, RATIFY $100,000 IN EMERGENCY REPAIRS TO THE CIVIC CENTER. UH, BUS WEATHERHEAD, UH, AND CT ENCLOSURE. UH, ROBIN? YES. SO ON DECEMBER 23RD, MOST OF Y'ALL KNOW THE, SOMETHING DECIDED TO TAKE UP RESIDENCE AND THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE OVER THERE AT THE CIVIC CENTER AND ENDED UP CATCHING THE ENTIRE PANEL ON FIRE. UM, WHEN WE HAD THE ELECTRICIANS OUT TO COME AND DO SOME OF THE REPAIRS, SOMETHING THAT WE HAD KNOWN ABOUT. BUT BECAUSE OF THE, THE GENERATORS AND STUFF, WE, WE HAD THIS ON OUR LIST TO REPLACE THE POSTS THAT ALSO GO INTO THE GROUND. UM, WERE ROTTING AT THE BOTTOM. SO WE KNEW THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE A FUTURE PROJECT, BUT WE HAD TO BRING IN A, UH, MASTER ELECTRICIAN TO REALLY COME IN AND THEY HAD TO REPLACE EVERYTHING. THE STANDS, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE. WE DID THINK THAT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK IN IF THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE CONNECTION TO WORK, THEY WERE GONNA HAVE TO ALSO DO REDO THE WIRING. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT. SO WHEN THEY CONNECTED ON, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME, THURSDAY NIGHT, IT WAS PRETTY LATE. UM, TRYING TO GET IT FOR FRIDAY'S WEATHER, EVERYTHING'S CONNECTED, EVERYTHING'S GOOD. SO IT WAS REALLY JUST THE OPTION ONE FOR THE $55,860 THAT, UM, THE REPAIR WOULD COME OUT TO ON THAT. SO MR. MAYOR, WE ASK YOU TO AMEND IT AND JUST APPROVE $55,860. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ROBIN ON THIS? THANK YOU FOR STAFF. EVERYBODY WILL WORK ON THAT ROUND THE CLOCK TO GET THAT GOING. YES, I'LL LET 'EM KNOW. A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE WAITING FOR CIVIC CENTER TO BE BACK IN BUSINESS. YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE IN A WAY, KIND A LITTLE FORTUNATE. IT, IT WAS NOT BUSY AT THAT TIME 'CAUSE THERE REALLY WASN'T ANYTHING UNTIL THE NEW YEAR'S EVE DANCE, SO. RIGHT. SO, BUT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, AND WE ARE STILL TRYING, WE ARE GONNA FILE THIS ON INSURANCE TO TRY AND GET IT RECOUPED FROM AN INSURANCE CLAIM, RIGHT? YES, MA'AM. FORAM, WE ALREADY SUBMITTED THE INSURANCE CLAIM. OKAY. MM-HMM. . ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS REQUEST, UH, FOR, UH, PAYMENT OF OR FUNDING OF $55,860. MAYOR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, RATIFY UH, $55,860 IN EMERGENCY REPAIRS TO THE CIVIC CENTER BUS, WEATHERHEAD, AND CT ENCLOSURE WITH MELTON ELECTRICAL. [01:10:02] I HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILMAN SETH. SECOND. SECOND FORM COUNCILMAN HANYA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL FAVORED. AYE. AYE, AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ROBIN. [8. New Business Update – David Walton] UH, NEW BUSINESS, DAVID. GOOD EVENING. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, AS PROMISED LAST MONTH, THIS IS A, UH, OVERHAUL OF THE NEW BUSINESS WORKSHEET. IT LOOKS THE SAME, BUT WE, I HAD, UH, UH, STAFF GO DOWN AND CONTACT ALL THE PROJECTS, WHICH HAD BEEN ON HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND JUST SAID UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO ACTUALLY SHOW THE PERCENTAGE BY WHICH THEY WERE FINISHED OUT, UH, GIVE A STATUS ON PROJECTS THAT HAD BEEN ON THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT ARE ON HOLD, UH, PENDING EITHER, UM, ECONOMIC DIFFICULTIES, UH, SOME PROJECTS PROBABLY RECONSIDERING THEIR OVERALL PLAN. UM, CHUCK E. CHEESE AS AN EXAMPLE. UH, YOU'LL FIND THAT THEY'RE WAITING TO NEGOTIATE A NEW LEASE WITH THE MALL SO THAT THEY DON'T INADVERTENTLY GET, INVEST A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN GET MOVED. RIGHT. UM, AND THEN, UH, CAVENDERS IS EXPECTED TO BE STARTING UP PRETTY SOON AS THE, UH, LEASE SPACE FOR ANOTHER BUSINESS IS FINISHING OUT. UM, AND THEN THAT WILL FREE UP THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT CAVENDERS IS LOOKING FOR. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THERE ABOUT ANY PROJECTS? IT WAS JUST INTERESTING. I HAD, UH, I WAS AT A MEETING AND SOMEONE WAS TELLING ME, THE PEOPLE AT THE TABLE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, PRESS THEY ARE WITH THE NEW CREDIT UNION BUILDING GOING IN DOWNTOWN. I SAID, THEY SAID, WELL HOW BIG IS IT? HOW TALL IS IT GONNA BE? I SAID, THAT'S, THAT'S HOME TWO, THAT'S A HOTEL. YEAH. AND STUFF. AND THAT WAS, IT WAS KIND OF FUNNY. BUT ANYWAY, SO, UH, ALRIGHT. ANY, NO QUESTIONS FOR DAVID. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, [9. Staff Updates] WE'LL MOVE ON TO STAFF UPDATES. UH, CITY MANAGER, I GUESS MR. MAYOR, THE FIRST ONE IS THE ELECTION, UH, FOR THE CITY ELECTION. I GUESS THAT'S THE FILING BETWEEN JANUARY 17TH TO FEBRUARY 16TH. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? UM, NO SIR. ALRIGHT. AND AS FAR AS ACTIONS, WE'VE GOT THE, UH, ONLY ACTION I HAVE DOWN WAS, UH, FOR SHERRY TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THE, UH, UM, ITEM SIX ON THE, UH, FINDING AS A WORD ON A TIMELINE, GETTING BACK TO US ON COUNTY CERTI CERTIFICATION OF VOTES OF THE VOTE. UM, ANYTHING ELSE? COUNSEL THAT, UH, WE MENTIONED AS AN ACTION ITEM THAT I DIDN'T MENTION, [10. Constructon/Development Updates] NOT WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM 10, CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. I WILL, UH, GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE AND, UH, I WILL ALSO, UH, HAVE SOME OF THE, UH, OUR MEMBERS OF STAFF HERE, YOU KNOW, CLEAR OR COVER ANY OF THEIR, OF THEIR PROJECTS. UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE DOWNTOWN PROJECTS, UH, THERE HAS BEEN OF COURSE THE INACTIVITY OF THE LANDSCAPER WHENEVER HE DID MOVE INTO THE LANDSCAPE AREA. AND BY GOING IN THERE WITH HIS, UH, UH, PAINTING OF THE PAINTING OF THE MEDIANS THERE, UH, UH, EVEN AFTER EDDIE HAD, YOU KNOW, TOLD THEM THAT IT WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE WHAT HE WAS, WHAT HE WAS LOOKING AT, UH, THEY DECIDED TO KEEP ON GOING THE SAME WAY. AND THE, UH, THE RAIN THAT WE HAD THERE PROVED EDDIE CORRECT, BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD DONE WASHED OUT. SO NOW THE CONTRACTOR IS, UM, HAVING A, UH, HAVING A THOUGHT OF DISMISSING THE CONTRACTOR AND FINISHING THE JOB HIMSELF. WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE. UH, I HOPE IT DOES TAKE PLACE. UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M TIRED OF THE SUBCONTRACTOR, UH, NOT PERFORMING, UH, ON THE, UH, CURATING PLACE LINING FOR THE 60 INCHON OUTFALL SYSTEM. WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET, UH, THE, UH, ENGINEER INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL, UH, INSPECTION OF THAT PIPE TO COME BACK IN THERE AND GIVE US A FULL REPORT ON THE, WHAT THEY SAW. UH, WHAT, WHAT THEY GAVE US AT THE VERY GET GO WAS THERE WAS SOME, UM, ONE OF THE RUNS, THEY HAD SOME, UM, SIGNIFICANT TYPE OF, UH, UH, PIPE, [01:15:01] UH, UH, PIPE, UH, PROBLEMS. UH, BUT THEY HAVE NOT COME BACK AND TOLD US WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND HOW, HOW, UH, MISSHAPEN THE, UH, THE PIPELINE IS. SO THIS IS, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY KINDA REPORT FROM THE LIDAR WORK. NO, THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE WAITING FOR. AND UH, SO WE WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO TOMORROW PROBABLY GET, GET ON THE HORN AGAIN TRYING TO, TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE REACTION TO THAT. UH, ON THE BEACHWOOD CHEMICAL, UH, I LET, UH, THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TAKE CARE OF THAT ONE ON THE BEACHWOOD STATUS. UM, JUST REALLY QUICKLY, WE ARE CONTINUING WITH ELECTRICAL WORK OVER THERE. UM, THE MAIN ELECTRICAL ENGINEER WAS CALLED HOME TO MEXICO. HIS FATHER'S GOING THROUGH CANCER TREATMENT. HE WAS DOWN THERE FOR CHRISTMAS AND, UM, TREATMENT WAS GOING FINE. UM, THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER RETURNED TO THE JOB SITE AND WAS CALLED SAYING YOUR FATHER HAS AN INFECTION AND THINGS ARE GOING POORLY. SO, UH, THEY HAVE HIRED A DIFFERENT, UM, CONTRACTOR, UM, AS UH, AN ELECTRICAL STANDIN SO THEY CAN STILL PROGRESS. IT'S A LAW THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A JOURNEYMAN ELECTRICIAN OVER THERE. SO THEY HAVE HIRED SOMEONE SO THAT JOB IS NOT STALLED OUT. UM, AND THEY'RE STILL MAKING PROGRESS OVER THERE. IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, NOT AS QUICKLY AS WE'D LIKE FOR THEM TO MOVE, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD. SO, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. YOU WANNA GIVE THE ONE ON THE, UH, ON THE SEW PLAN? WHAT DO YOU GOT NEXT? JUMP THE PLAN. UM, SKIN DOWN, JAMES, KEEP GOING. THAT WORKS. UH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. SO THE SAME CONTRACTOR WILL BE, UM, HEADING UP THE HEADWORKS PROJECT AND THEY, THEIR INTENTION IS TO FINISH UP AT BEECHWOOD BEFORE THEY MOVE OVER AND BEGIN ON THE HEAD WORKS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY NO CHANGE OVER THERE. NOTHING'S BEEN CONSTRUCTED. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE ORDERED SOME MATERIALS AND, UM, THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE ON BEACHWOOD. THEY'RE JUST NOT THERE YET. SO UNTIL THEY FINISH, IT'S BEST NOT TO JUST START ANOTHER PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO COMPLETE ONE BEFORE THEY START THE NEXT. SO YEAH, UH, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ON THE, UH, STREET REHAB, PINOT PINOT COURT AND ALL THAT GENERAL SUBDIVISION THERE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SCHEDULED A MEETING TOMORROW TO, UH, DISCUSS THE CONTRACTOR'S SCHEDULE AND TO UH, UH, PREPARE FURTHER FOR THE TOWN, UH, MEETING THAT WE WILL BE HOLDING WITH ALL THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE PRIOR TO ACTUALLY STARTING, UH, THE EARTH MOVING OPERATIONS. SO, UH, TOMORROW WE WILL MEET WITH THEM AND THEY ARE PROBABLY WANTING TO START ON FEBRUARY 1ST. SO, UH, THAT'S THE, THE TENTATIVE SCHEDULE THEY HAVE GIVEN US. WE'RE JUST GONNA BE CONFIRMING THAT WITH A CONTRACTOR TOMORROW. SO WHEN YOU'RE GONNA MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT WILL BE BETWEEN BEFORE, IT'D BE BETWEEN TOMORROW'S DATE AND THE UH, AND FEBRUARY THE FIRST. BE SURE AND LET US KNOW. WE WILL, WE WILL MAKE IT KNOWN TO EVERYONE. YES. ALRIGHT. UH, ON THE GROUND FUEL TANKS, THAT HAS NOT REALLY MOVED FURTHER. UH, THE LAST THING WE REQUESTED THAT THEY PROVIDE US A REVISED CONTRACT BECAUSE WE HAVE, UH, WE DECIDED TO CHANGE THE SCOPE OF THE WORK IN, IN LIEU OF GOING WITH THE OVERHEAD, UH, FUEL TANKS, UH, GOING INTO WITH A MODIFICATION TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM, THERE SOME REPAIRS TO THE EXISTING SYSTEM. UH, WE ASK THEM FOR A REVISION OF THE CONTRACT SCOPE AND WE HAVE NOT, EDDIE WAS, UH, ALL LAST WEEK AND THIS WEEK TRYING TO, UH, GET A RESPONSE FROM THEM AND WE'LL CONTINUE ON UNTIL WE DO HAVE A RESPONSE. UH, SO WE'RE NOT REPLACING THE TANKS, WE'RE NOT PUTTING AN OVERHEAD TANK. WE'RE GONNA, WE BE REPAIRING THE TANKS THAT ARE THERE AND THAT'S GONNA SAVE US MONEY OR KEEP US WITHIN, NO, THAT'S GONNA SAVE US MONEY AND KEEP US GOING FOR ANOTHER. OKAY. WE WILL, WE'LL COME BACK WITH YOU WITH A LITTLE BIT BETTER EXPLANATION ON THE, ON THE WORK. UH, ONCE WE HAVE THAT, UH, [01:20:01] REVISED, UH, CONTRACT, UH, ON THE, UH, ZAIA STREET THAT IS, UH, TOMORROW WE HAVE SCHEDULED A WALKTHROUGH, UH, TO FINALIZE THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND THEN WE HAD ALREADY MADE A PLAN TO JUST OPEN THE STREET UP SO THAT WE CAN GET SOME, UH, SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC THAT'S, UH, CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC FOR THE HOTEL OUT OF THE STREET. UH, HOPING THAT, UH, THEY WILL START USING THEIR AREA, UH, INSTEAD OF USING THE STREET THERE FOR, FOR THEIR, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR OPERATIONS THERE. WHAT'S MR. MAYOR? WHAT'S HAPPENING? THE FINISHED THE STREET, SINCE IT'S NOT OPEN, IT'S BEEN USED FOR LOADING, UNLOADING AND STORAGE. SO THAT'S WHY WE WANNA OPEN THE STREET. AND ALSO THEY'RE MAKING A MESS. SO WE'RE, WE'RE PUSHING FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY CREATE, FINISH OFF A DRIVEWAY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO REALLY PUSH 'EM TO, TO DO THAT ONCE WE DENY THEM THE ACCESS TO, UH, TO THAT, TO THAT STREET FOR THEIR OPERATIONS. UH, ON THE STREET PANEL REPLACEMENT, THAT ONE WE HAVE A PRECONSTRUCTION MEETING TO, UH, ALSO TOMORROW. UH, THAT'S FOR THE PANEL REPAIRS ON SOME OF THE, UH, OF THE SECOND PHASE OF THE, OF THE PROGRAM. UH, HTI WHO IS ALSO THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY THAT'S ALSO HAS THE OTHER CONTRACT FOR THE, UH, FOR THE STREET WORK IS ALSO GONNA BE GIVEN US THEIR, THEIR PROPOSED UH, SCHEDULE ON THIS PARTICULAR DEAL THERE ON THE CITY HALL RENO, UH, CITY HALL RESTROOM RE RENOVATIONS. YOU JUST WENT THROUGH THE CHANGE ORDER AND THAT'S AN UPDATED, IT'S PROGRESSING AS FAR AS WE KNOW. THEY HAVE PROPOSED, UH, NOT PROPOSED THAT GIVEN US A TENTATIVE COMPLETION SCHEDULE. EDDIE, DO YOU REMEMBER? UH, JANUARY 26TH. JANUARY 26TH. AND, UH, HOPEFULLY THEY WILL, THEY WILL MEET THAT, UH, THAT UH, SCHEDULE. AND ON THE, UH, FIRE STATION. WE'LL ALSO HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW, UH, ON THAT ONE WITH THE CONTRACTOR. UH, IT'S A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING? NO, THAT'S, I'M SORRY, THAT'S FOR JANUARY THE 12TH. WE HAVE SET THAT PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING SO THAT WE, SO HE CAN BEGIN HIS WORK SOMETIME. I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE, UH, 29TH OF, UH, JANUARY THAT HE HAS SET AS HIS PROPOSED WORKING, UH, WORKING SCHEDULE AND ON THE CDBG STREET PANEL REPAIRS ON WEST SIDE STREET THAT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET THE COUNTY TO, THEY HAD GIVEN TENTATIVE BLESSING. WE STILL ARE WAITING FOR THE OFFICIAL, UH, THE OFFICIAL, UM, APPROVAL FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR THIS CDBG FUNDING FROM THEM. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. UH, WE'LL [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] MOVE ON TO, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, MR. BAKER. I HAVE A COUPLE THINGS. UH, THIS COMING SATURDAY, UH, OUR LAKE JACKSON FIRE DEPARTMENT'S GONNA HAVE THEIR BANQUET AT SIX O'CLOCK HERE AT THE CIVIC CENTER. ALSO THAT SAME SATURDAY, THE MLK, UH, WE HAVE THEIR QUIT AT THE DOW ACADEMIC CENTER AT SEVEN O'CLOCK AND SUNDAY. UH, THE REPUBLICAN, UH, CANDIDATE FORM WILL BE AT THE CIVIC CENTER. THE DOORS WILL OPEN UP AT ONE 15 AND THE, THEY WOULD START THEIR MEET AND GREET AT TWO O'CLOCK AND THE FOLLOWING MONDAY WOULD BE THE MLK PARADE IN FREEPORT. IT WOULD START AT 11 O'CLOCK AND AFTER THE PARADE, THEY'D HAVE A RALLY FROM, I THINK FROM ONE TO FOUR AND CHIEF IF WE CAN GET A COUPLE CARS, IF THEY CAN GO DOWN TO THE PARADE AND HELP DOWN THERE. WE'LL, APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MSS, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY. THANK YOU MR. CHER? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. HANYA? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. ALRIGHT, MR. BROS. UH, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE. AND THEN WE HAVE ALREADY SCHEDULED THE NEXT MEETING TO BE THE FOURTH, RIGHT? WHAT? NOT THE THIRD MONDAY, BUT THE FOURTH. SO IS ANYBODY WATCHING OR WHATEVER THE 22ND? YEAH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE FIRST AND THIRD. THIS IT IS TODAY AND YEAH. [01:25:01] TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK ON THE FIRST AND THIRD SCHEDULE, CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. YOU GOT ANYTHING FROM STAFF? NO, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. AGAIN, HAPPY NEW YEAR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ADUR. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.