Mar 04, 2024 City Council

IS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VISITORS COMMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT SIGNED UP.

AS FOR VISITOR COMMENTS, IS ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO SOMEONE ALONG TO COUNCIL ABOUT AN ITEM THAT IS NOT ON EITHER AGENDA, NOT SEEING ANYBODY.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM

[DECLARATION OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]

IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL THAT NEEDS TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA? UH, YES.

MR. MAYOR, I FILLED OUT THE PAPERWORK FOR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM ONE.

ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION MINUTES FOR LIBRARY KE LAKE JACKSON, BEAUTIFUL AND PARKS.

IN LIGHT OF MY EMPLOYMENT.

NEXT ITEM IS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA.

UH, ITEM ONE IS APPROVED MINUTES FEBRUARY, 2024.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

ITEM THREE IS APPROVED THE BRAZORIA COUNTY MOSQUITO CONTROL TO SPRAY, UH, THE CITY DURING HEAVY OUTBREAKS OF MOSQUITOES BY THE COUNTY'S AERIAL CONTRACT SPRAYER.

ITEM FOUR IS APPROVE THE SELECTION OF CONSULTANTS AT BAKER AND LAWSON, INC.

AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR SPOT REPLACEMENT OF CONCRETE PAVEMENT PANELS, SAG SEGMENTS ON VARIOUS STREETS.

ITEM FIVE IS AUTHORIZED THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH, UH, BRANCH CONSTRUCTION GROUP THROUGH, UH, TIPS, UH, PURCHASING, UH, COOPERATIVE CONTRACT NUMBER 2 3 0 1 0 4 0 1 FOR REPLACING SEWER PIPING CONNECTIONS MANHOLE, AND ON THE 100 BLOCK OF ANY WAY STREET IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $138,106.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOW, HEARING SAW, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA STANDS.

MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AS PRESENTED.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN SETH.

ONE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 9 5 OH SUPPORTING THE BRAS PORT WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, UM, RESERVOIR PROJECT.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER.

CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

MOVE ON TO REGULAR REGULAR AGENDA.

WE HAVE ITEM

[1. Discuss and consider approving Resolution No. 24-950 supporting the Brazosport Water Supply Corporation Reservoir Project. - Ronnie Woodruff/Tom Finley]

AND WE HAVE, UH, DUST YOU IN SORT.

AND WE GOT RONNIE.

YES, UH, MAYOR, WE HAVE MR. WOODARD FROM MR. BILLY HERE, UH, REPRESENTING, UH, BWA AND THE, UH, SOON TO BE OUR, OUR FORMED, UH, UH, CORPORATION FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE HARRIS RESERVOIR PROJECT.

UH, OF COURSE, I THINK EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH THIS.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, DURING THIS SUMMER, PRETTY MUCH, UH, FOR, UM, THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH, UH, SURROUNDING CITIES, BUT THEY'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THE FINAL STAGES OF GETTING EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND THEY NEED OUR SUPPORT.

GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY STAFF.

IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO BE HERE.

WE WERE HERE, LIKE YOU SAID, BACK IN JUNE ON JUNE 5TH TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT.

WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO HOPEFULLY GET Y'ALL TO SIGN A LETTER OF SUPPORT, A LETTER TO THIS RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE PROJECT.

QUICK RECAP OF CURRENTLY BWA AND THE INDUSTRIES OF THE AREA HAVE ABOUT TWO MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE AT THE, AND COMBINED IN THE HARRIS RESERVOIR AND THE BRAZORIA RESERVOIR, UH,

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MODELING DONE BY BOTH THE STATE OF TEXAS AND DOW SHOWS THAT WE SHOULD HAVE SIX MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE A COMPLETION OF THIS PROJECT.

WE WILL HAVE THAT SIX MONTH WORTH OF STORAGE AND PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OF THAT RESERVOIR MAY GIVE US A LITTLE MORE.

SO THAT'S THE DRIVING FACTOR FOR IT, UH, IN 2022.

BWA HAD OUR WATER RIGHT SUSPENDED FOR FIVE MONTHS, UH, DUE TO, UH, CALLS ON THE RIVER.

AND, UH, WE CAN'T SAY, YOU KNOW, THE RESERVOIR IS NOT GONNA STOP CALLS ON THE RIVER.

IT MAY LESSEN 'EM BY BY SOME OF THE INDUSTRY DOWN HERE, BUT THERE WILL BE CALLS ON THE RIVER BY OTHER.

BUT, UH, AT LEAST WE'LL HAVE SIX MONTHS WORTH OF STORAGE SITTING UP THERE IN THESE RESERVOIRS.

AND THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE'RE DOING IT.

UH, BECAUSE I, I DON'T KNOW A CITY AROUND HERE THAT CAN GO SIX MONTHS WITHOUT WATER, AND I KNOW THE INDUSTRY CAN'T DO IT.

THAT WOULD BE CATASTROPHIC FOR, TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, AND IT WOULD RIFFLE THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE ECONOMY.

SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, UH, HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.

WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A LITTLE, UH, UPDATE ON WHAT'S DONE SINCE WE WERE HERE, AND WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THAT.

ALRIGHT, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE THIS.

SO WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE NEED TO SUBMIT OUR FINAL, UM, UH, STAMPED, UH, DESIGN DRAWINGS AND, AND, UH, CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS.

SO, SO LARGELY KIND OF, WE GOT A FEW SLIDES AND THEY LARGELY RECAPPED THE CONVERSATION BEFORE THIS FIRST, YOU KNOW, SLIDE.

REALLY JUST KIND OF, OOPS.

FIRST SLIDE.

JUST, UH, MAKES THE CASE FOR THE RESERVOIR.

AGAIN, KIND OF THE, THE BIG FIGURE IN THE CENTER LEFT, UM, YOU KNOW, REALLY REPRESENTS, UM, A MODELING OF WATER.

UM, WHEN THE, YOU KNOW, BLUE FIELD ACTUALLY LOOKS KIND OF GRAY UP THERE, IS FULL TO THE 170,000 ACRE FOOT.

UM, THAT REPRESENTS NEEDING 175, 70,000 ACRE FOOT OF WATER A YEAR TO COVER INDUSTRIAL NEEDS FOR BWA, UH, WHEN THE WHITE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DIPS DOWN INTO THAT FIELD.

AND THAT'S MODELING REPRESENTATION OF TIMES WHEN WE NEED STORAGE.

AND THAT THAT'S LARGELY, UH, A FUNCTION OF, UM, THE NATURAL FLOW OF THE BRAS.

SO IN CERTAIN MONTHS, UM, THE BRAS DOESN'T HAVE WATER.

AND WE EVER SINCE WE KIND OF LANDED DOWN HERE AS DOW HAVE IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, EPISODICALLY HAD TO RELY ON STORAGE.

UM, THE DRIVING FORCE HERE IS THAT STORAGE, UM, HAS, UH, TRANSITIONED AT THIS POINT INTO ONE YEAR CONTRACTS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA FAIL.

WE CALL 'EM SPOT WATER OR INTERRUPTIBLE.

UH, WE WORK AWFUL HARD TO GET 'EM, WE'RE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL MANAGING TO GET 'EM, BUT, BUT WE SEE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT IS GONNA FAIL EVEN AS WE KIND OF GO FROM 23 INTO 24.

BRA DIDN'T MAKE ANY INTERRUPTIBLE AVAILABLE.

WE ENDED UP KIND OF WORKING THROUGH SOME OTHER CITIES TO BUY WATER THEY'D ALREADY PURCHASED.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US KIND OF COMING INTO THIS SUMMER.

BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS RESERVOIR FOR QUITE SOME TIME AS A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT CONTRACT WATER.

UM, THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT, JUST AS AN INDICATION OF THE RELIABILITY OF THE FUNCTION OF DEMAND, THE TWO 20 REPRESENTS ROUGHLY, UM, WHAT OUR LOCAL DEMAND IS FOR INDUSTRY IN THE CITIES, UM, TODAY.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IT REALLY SAYS IS, HEY, WE CAN CONSERVE A WHOLE LOT AND STILL NOT GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE RELIABLE.

UM, SO IF WE JUMP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M JUMPING TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

NOW, THIS IS JUST A DEPICTION OF THE RESERVOIR AGAIN.

IT'S GONNA GO NORTH OF EXISTING HARRIS.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE ROUGHLY 50,000 ACRE FOOT WORTH OF WATER.

AND IN THE GRAPH ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND, UH, SIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IT FILLS UP THAT WHITE SPACE AND THAT CHART AND THAT STORAGE COMING OUTTA THE RESERVOIR.

AND SO THE WAY IT'LL FUNCTION IS IN THE SPRING MONTHS, WE'RE ABLE TO CAPTURE WATER, PUT IT IN THE STORAGE, LEAVE THAT WATER BACK OUT TO COVER THE TIMES WHEN THE RIVER'S NOT AVAILABLE.

AND THEN THE CHART ON THE LOWER RIGHT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IS A SHIFT IN RELIABILITY.

WE GO FROM ROUGHLY 95%, UH, RELIABLE OR NOT HAVING WATER IN ROUGHLY 6% OF THE MONTHS, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, 99.8% AS WE RUN TODAY WITH OTHER ACTIONS KIND OF ABLE TO CLOSE THE GAP ON BEING FULLY RELIABLE.

AND SO FOR BOTH DOW AND LOCAL INDUSTRY AND BWA, WE, WE BOTH HAVE, YOU KNOW, VERY COMMON RELIABILITY.

INDUSTRY'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE RELIABLE THAN BWA IN THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OLDER WATER RIGHTS.

BUT THE FUNCTION, THE WAY THEY FUNCTION IS QUITE SIMILAR.

THE PROJECT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, ACCOMPLISHES KIND OF THIS IMPROVEMENT TO RELIABILITY FOR BOTH OF US.

YOU KNOW, TIME-WISE, WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS, UM, KIND OF WORKING FROM THE TOP DOWN.

YOU KNOW, BIG THINGS THAT HAPPENED RECENTLY WERE, WAS IN NOVEMBER OF 2023.

WE GOT OUR US ARMY CORPS ENGINEERS PERMIT AFTER ABOUT SIX YEARS.

UH, AND SO THAT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, UM, A HUGE MILESTONE.

UH, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH OUR, UH, TCQ DAM SAFETY PERMIT.

UH, WE GOT A SIGN OFF LETTER FROM THEM IN JANUARY.

AND

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AND WE'LL BE IN GOOD SHAPE GETTING THAT PERMIT.

AND WE'RE PROGRESSING TOWARDS, UH, A FINAL SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION TO WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IN MAY, UH, TO GET THE FULL FUNDING ON THE PROJECT.

UM, THAT'S PROGRESSING WELL.

WE'RE ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, THEN THAT, THAT FUNDING BEING RELEASED IN AUGUST AND HOPEFULLY BEING INTO CONSTRUCTION BY SOMETIME AROUND THE END OF THE YEAR.

UH, SO WE'RE, WE'RE AFTER NOW ROUGHLY 10 YEARS OF WORK, UH, TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE HOPING TO GET STARTED ON THIS THING IN EARN, UM, ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY THREE YEARS TO BUILD KIND OF A COMPLETION IN EARLY 2028.

UH, HOPEFULLY FILLING IN THE SPRING OF THEN AND, AND BEING IN GOOD SHAPE KIND OF IN THAT SUMMER OF 2028 WITH A NEW STORAGE TO SPEAK .

THIS IS THE, UH, PROPOSED, UH, COST, COST ESTIMATE TO WATER IMPACT RATES.

UH, THE, THE ORIGINAL PROJECT DEBT SERVICE, UH, THE, THE ONE WE SHOWED Y'ALL THAT SAYS LAST IS THE ONE WE SHOW.

WE BROUGHT IN ON JUNE 5TH.

THE CURRENT, UH, IS SHOWS A DOLLAR 31 AT THE END OF THE PERIOD FOR THE DEBT SERVICE, UH, FROM THE DOLLAR 24 BACK IN 2020.

WHEN IT ORIGINALLY CAME HERE, WE WERE ESTIMATING A DOLLAR 30.

THE REASON FOR THIS, UH, INCREASE IS SOLELY DUE TO INTEREST RATE CHANGES IS NOTHING IN THE PROJECT, NOTHING IN OUR COST ESTIMATES.

AND IF WE SEE BETTER INTEREST RATES, THIS WILL DEFINITELY COME DOWN.

IF WE FIND AREAS WHERE WE CAN SAVE MONEY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA SAVE THEM.

WE DO HAVE OUR PROJECT MANAGER ON BOARD WITH US NOW, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS HE'LL BE LOOKING AT TO TRY, KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING, KEEP IT WITHIN BUDGET, AND HOPEFULLY SAVE US A LITTLE BIT.

SO, UH, I WISH I COULD, I WISH I COULD TELL YOU THE INTEREST RATES HAD GONE DOWN, BUT THEY DIDN'T.

SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

I, YEAH, I'D SAY WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT OUR COST ESTIMATE ON THIS.

UM, IT'S BEEN PRETTY STEADY OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO.

AGAIN, THE, THE SAME THINGS I'M SURE ARE IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, COST FOR THE CITY HAVE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF, UH, INFLATIONARY PRESSURES AND INTEREST RATES, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

UM, AS WE WALK THIS FORWARD, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S UNCERTAINTIES, PRICE OF FUEL WILL PLAY IN, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH A FINAL ESTIMATE WITH, UH, ON ONBOARDED CONTRACTOR.

BUT, UM, UH, IN MANY RESPECTS IT'S, IT'S BEEN PRETTY WELL DEVELOPED, PRETTY WELL VETTED IN IN THAT REGARDS.

I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE'RE AT.

AGAIN, WE, WHY DON'T WE INTRODUCE REAL QUICK, BRIAN KRAUS, IF YOU WANNA WAVE QUICK.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE ONBOARDED AS A-B-W-S-E PROJECT MANAGER.

UH, IT'S GOT ABOUT 38 YEARS OF, UH, ENGINEERING AND PROJECT EXPERIENCE.

SO WE'RE QUITE HAPPY TO HAVE HIM ONBOARD.

SO, UM, WAS THAT, I DON'T WANNA TAKE SOME QUESTIONS OR IS THERE ANY, IS THIS A BASIN GONNA BE LINED OR IS JUST NATURAL? UM, ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BIG.

IT'S THREE SQUARE MILES.

UM, SO YOU END UP RELYING ON KIND OF NATURAL CLAY IN MOST OF IT.

AND, UH, WE'RE PUTTING IN WHAT'S CALLED A SEA BRIDGE BARRIER WALL BELOW THE LEVEE ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BULK OF THE RESERVOIR TO A DEPTH THAT HELPS ASSURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU LIMIT HOW MUCH WATER CAN SEEP IT WATER DEPTH OF ABOUT 30 FEET SO MUCH DEEPER THAN EXISTING RESERVOIRS.

SO THE SOPHISTICATION OF THAT DESIGN IS, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT MORE SOPHISTICATED THAN THE EXISTING RESERVOIRS AS WELL.

SO WHY WOULD IT TAKE SO LONG TO DIG, UH, DIG THIS RESERVOIR UP? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

UH, YEAH.

SO IT, IT, IT'S SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF, UH, 12 MILLION CUBIC GUARDS WORTH OF DIRT.

SO YOU'LL HAVE A HUNDRED MACHINES OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, GOING, GOING LIKE GANGBUSTERS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'RE, WE'RE IMPORTING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE A MILLION CUBIC GUARDS WORTH OF SAND, UH, THAT ARE PART OF THE LEVEE, AND THAT'S ABOUT 400 TRUCKS, UH, UM, 100 TRUCKS A DAY FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF, RIGHT? SO THERE, THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICAL MOVEMENT TO GET THIS THING BUILT.

UM, THAT ALL KIND OF STEPS INTO THE TIMELINE.

AND THIS ONE WILL HAVE A CONCRETE WALL AT THE TOP RIGHT WAVE WALL.

IT WILL HAVE A WAVE WALL.

SO PART OF ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MAXIMIZING THE AMOUNT OF WATER WE CAN GET STORED IN IT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A, UH, IT'S CALLED A SOIL CEMENT WALL ON THE INSIDE THAT PROTECTS AGAINST, UH, EROSION.

AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE LIKE A FOUR FOOT CONCRETE WAVE WALL AROUND THE TOP OF IT.

UH, AND THAT, THAT HELPS US MAXIMIZE HOW MUCH STORAGE, YOU KNOW, IT GETS YOU MORE COST TO FIX EFFICIENT STORAGE OF THE WATER IN THE RESERVOIR.

PRESIDENT, AND KENNY HAYES FROM FREEPORT, WHO IS THE, UH, VICE PRESIDENT OF BWA.

SO THE, THE BRAS, BRAS, PORT WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, THAT'S, THAT HAS BEEN FORMED.

IT HAS BEEN FORMED, YEAH.

AND BOARD MEMBERS ARE, HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED.

SO WHO ARE THOSE FOR? BWA? IT IS MYSELF, I'M THE BOARD PRESIDENT.

WE HAVE, UH, JESSE KNIGHT FROM, UH, ROSARIA, WHO'S THE BWA BOARD

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UH, WE HAVE TWO DOW MEMBERS, TIM FINLEY'S, ONE OF THEM, AND THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION, UH, IS AMY, UH, WAGNER.

WAGNER.

A AMY'S AN ACCOUNTANT AT DOW.

YOU KNOW, SO WE TRY IT ON THE DOW SIDE, KIND OF COMPLIMENT THE BWSE TEAM WITH, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WHO COULD HELP, HELP GET THIS THING DONE.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE, BUT WE'RE GOING AFTER SWIFT FUNDS TO HELP FUND THIS.

AND SO, YES, SIR.

DID, THERE'S NOT ANY, THERE WASN'T ANY FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM THE, THE FEDS ON THEIR BIG INFRASTRUCTURE, BILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEY PUT OUT THERE THAT DIDN'T, DIDN'T, THIS DIDN'T FIT THE CRITERIA.

DIDN'T FIT THE CRITERIA.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AND I ASKED BEFORE THE MEETING, I ASKED RONNIE, UH, IN THE RESOLUTION SAYS THAT, UH, IF WE GO FORWARD WITH THE RESOLUTION, IT'S GONNA SAVE US, SAVE THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AROUND 30, $31 MILLION.

AND SO YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT REAL QUICK WHERE Y'ALL FIGURED THE SAVINGS.

YES, SIR.

WHAT WE DID IS WE LOOKED AT, IF WE DID NOT DO THIS PROJECT WITH DOW AND BWA WENT OUT AND TRIED TO DO THIS PROJECT ON ITS OWN, THE COST WOULD'VE BEEN WHAT WE'RE GONNA PAY NOW PLUS FOR THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON ADDITIONAL THIR $31 MILLION BECAUSE US DOING IT OURSELF AND THE SIZE OF IT, IT WOULD, IT JUST WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN COST EFFECTIVE.

UH, EACH OF THE CITIES, UH, UH, FREEPORT THE SAME 31 MILLION.

SO IT WAS LATE.

SO IT WAS A CLUE ANGLETON'S A LITTLE MORE BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING 2.3 MILLION GALLONS A DAY FROM US.

AND SO IT'S BASED OFF THE, THE SCALE OF WHAT THE CITY, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THE CITY IS A CONTRACTOR TO TAKE.

AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT JUST FINDING THE LAND, WE COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT OURSELVES.

I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO PARTNER WITH SOMEBODY LIKE DOW OF THE INDUSTRY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, DOW, UH, DOW WAS ABLE TO, TO, TO PURCHASE THAT LAND FROM, UH, TDCJ SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

WE PUR PURCHASED THE LAND IN 2011 FROM TDCJ.

, WE PURCHASED ANOTHER ABOUT 300 ACRES, UH, A COUPLE YEARS AFTER THAT TO KIND OF DO FLOOD PLAIN KIND OF MITIGATION WORK, YOU KNOW, SO IT, I MEAN, WE, WE REALLY HAVE BEEN SINCE SOMETIME IN THAT 2011 TIMEFRAME GETTING THIS THING DEVELOPED.

AND THE FIRST, UH, FIVE OR SIX YEARS WE WERE WORKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT SLOWER.

BUT WE, WE'VE BEEN IN THAT IN EARNEST PROBABLY EIGHT YEARS.

SO THE, UH, THE, THE DIRT AND THE SAND THAT YOU HAVE TO HAUL IN INSTEAD OF FROM THE, WHERE IS THAT? IS IT COMING LOCALLY QUA QUAR? OR IS IT COMING? YEAH, SO, SO STILL A LITTLE BIT TO BE DETERMINED ON THE STAND.

WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH KIND OF WITH A CONTRACTOR, THE SPECIFIC SPEC FOR THAT.

I THINK WE'D LIKE TO GET IT AS CLOSE AS WE CAN, JUST 'CAUSE THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECTS OF IT.

UM, THE BULK OF THE DIRT TO ACTUALLY BUILD THE LEVEES COMES FROM BORROW PITS WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.

SO MOST, MOST OF THE CLAY, YOU KNOW, YOU BORROW OUT OF BORROW HOLES IN THE MIDDLE.

AND USE THAT TO BUILD THE LEVEES AROUND THE EDGE.

THE LEVEE ITSELF IS ABOUT SEVEN MILES AROUND THE TOP OF IT.

SO IT, IT'S A SIZABLE PROJECT.

OH YEAH.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ELSE ON THE RESOLUTION? ALRIGHT.

NOT, UH, WELL THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

SURE.

GOOD QUESTIONS.

ALRIGHT, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION NUMBER TWO FOUR DASH 9 5 0 SUPPORTING THE BRAFORD WATER SUPPLY CORPORATION RESERVOIR PROJECT AS PRESENTED.

ALL I HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILMAN HANYA SECOND AND A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER, SETH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? SAME SIGN.

RESOLUTIONS APPROVED.

THANK YOU GUYS.

IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST FROM, UH, T-D-E-C-U FOR ACCESS OFF OAK DRIVE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO

[2. Discuss and consider a request from TDECU for access off Oak Drive, right in and right out only for the new TDECU Member Center. – John Hays]

RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ONLY, UH, FOR THE NEW T-D-E-C-U MEMBERS CENTER.

JOHN, YOU WANNA TALK TO US? MODESTA, LOS ANGELES? YEAH, I'LL GIVE A BRIEF, UH, DESCRIPTION.

UM, TDCU HAS COME WITH THEIR NEW SITE PLAN AND, UH, FOR THEIR PROPOSED NEW BUILDING ON OFF OF, UH, OAK DRIVE AND AZALEA ALSO SANDWICHED BETWEEN GRAPEVINE TURN AND CIRCLE WAY.

CIRCLE WAY.

UM, AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A ACCESS ONTO OAK DRIVE, BUT NOT A, BUT NOT A MEDIAN CUT.

THERE'S NO MEDIAN CUT REQUEST, BUT, BUT ACCESS ONTO, UH, OAK DRIVE.

SERVICES FOR THE NEW CREDIT UNION, UH, BRANCH HERE IN, IN LAKE JACKSON.

MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, UH, MY NAME IS JOHN HAYES.

I'M WITH THE ELEMENT GROUP.

UH, WE HAVE BEEN CONTRACTED WITH T-D-E-C-U, UH, TO PREPARE THE DESIGN AND PROP, UH, PROJECT MANAGEMENT

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AS PART OF THIS RESPONSIBILITY, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE REGARDING THE TE C'S REQUEST FOR THE AE, UH, LOT ACCESS OFF OF OAK DRIVE.

UH, LAST WEEK, WHICH YOU SEE HERE.

I, I SENT IN AS PART OF THE REQUEST A SITE PLAN.

UH, THERE IS AN ENLARGED, UM, OAK DRIVE ACCESS PLAN AND SEVERAL RENDERINGS OF THE, UH, PROPOSED BRANCH.

UH, AS CONTEXT, UH, NEAR THE DESIGN BRIEF WAS TO PROVIDE A NEW AND IMPROVED MEMBERS, UH, AND REACTION EXPERIENCE WITH CREDIT UNIONS, UH, AS WELL AS THE PHYSICAL ENVIRONMENTS, UH, BUILDING AS WELL AS THE SITE.

UM, WITH RESPECTS TO THE SITE EXPERIENCE, THE INITIAL DESIGN, UH, HAD ONLY TWO ACCESS.

ONE WAS OFF CIRCLE, THE OTHER ONE WAS OFF OF AZALEA.

AND THAT WHEN WE'RE LAYING THIS THING OUT, WE NOTICED THAT THERE WAS SOME POTENTIAL CONFLICTS OR CONGESTION AREAS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO AGAIN, AVOID AND MAKING A, A LOT MORE USER FRIENDLY FOR THE LOCAL RESIDENCES.

UH, I WAS HERE LAST, I ACTUALLY WENT OVER TO THE EXISTING BRANCH AND I CAN SAY IT'S RATHER CONGESTIVE.

SO AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST TO HELP IMPROVE THAT, THAT FLOW AND EXPERIENCE OF THE MEMBERS GOING AROUND HERE.

UH, WE, UH, WENT BACK TO OUR, OUR PRIVACY HERE OF, OF DOING SOMETHING REALLY NICE OF, OF THE, UM, IMPROVEMENTS OF THEIR INTERACTION.

UH, DID NOTICE THAT THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY OF GETTING AN ACCESS OFF OF OAK DRIVE.

UH, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME REQUIREMENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF 'EM WAS COMING IN HERE AND ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO, UH, HAVE AN ACCESS OFF OF THAT.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE IDEA HERE IS IMPROVING THE LOCALS MEMBERSHIP EXPERIENCE OF THE SITE.

UM, THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING A THIRD EXCESS POINT FROM MARK DRIVE, UH, REALLY EASED THE, THE CONGESTION POINT, WHICH IS UP BY THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THE ATM TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THE CONCERN GOING OUT OF, UH, CIRCLE WAY.

'CAUSE THAT RIGHT NOW IT'S DESIGNED AS AN INGRESS AND EGRESS POINT.

UH, IF WE GET THEN OAK DRIVE, THAT WOULD BECOME STRICTLY EGRESS.

THAT WAY YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLOW, EASY CONTROLLING OF THE CARS GOING AROUND, UH, THE FACILITY.

UM, SO AGAIN, I'M HERE.

UM, AND I THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR TIME AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YES, I HAVE A FEW.

UH, HAVE Y'ALL DONE A TRAFFIC STUDY YET ON, UH, YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE COMING ACROSS FROM OAK DRIVE? NO, NO, NO.

UH, MY, IN MY, MY INTEREST ON, ON ALLOWING THIS IS, IS TO, AGAIN, TO MAYBE HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT MAY HAPPEN.

THAT THERE'S PERCEPTION THAT THERE MAY BE SOME, UH, WELL THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION.

UH, AND SO THAT THIS, THIS ENTRANCE AND EXIT THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING MAY HELP WITH THAT ALSO.

THAT'S, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE THINKING THAT DOES, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THAT WILL ALLEVIATE COMING IN 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY OVER INTO CENTER.

UM, UH, GOT LIKE CHOOSE.

I HAD IT ALL TIME CENTER WAY.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME ALL THE WAY AROUND JOSE, THEN GO IN AND THEN COME BACK OUT.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS, CAN YOU USE THE POINTER AND EXPLAIN TO US? AND IF THERE'S ALSO JUST A POINTER PIANO THERE, IS THERE A POINTER? THERE'S A POINT THERE ALSO, IF YOU CAN HELP HIM, ASSIST HIM.

HIM.

AND THERE YOU GO.

SO WHEN YOU SAY CENTER, WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT GRAPE POINT TURN THEN THERE.

ALRIGHT, SO AGAIN, INITIAL PLAN WAS TO COME IN AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COME AROUND HERE TO GET THROUGH THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH AND THEN WOULD GO BACK OUT.

RIGHT? SO IF WE COME IN, OH RIGHT.

TURN IN, YOU COME BACK IN AND THEN GO OUT THIS WAY OR GO OUT THAT WAY AS EGRESS ONLY THAT WAY ONE, YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO BRING IN, IN AND OUT THROUGH THE TRAFFIC.

AND THEN PEOPLE THEN HAVE ACCESS OFF OF VISA.

WHICH I THINK IS, IS A NICE ROAD THAT'S THERE AND WOULD PROVIDE A LOT MORE EASIER ACCESS.

AND THEN THAT CERTAINLY WOULD PREVENT A LOT OF CONGESTION AT THAT POINT.

IN SUPPORT OF, OF THIS CUT.

AND AGAIN, UH, FOLKS WILL REMEMBER THAT, UH, THIS ENTRANCE THAT IS ON CENTER WAY, THIS IS THAT ONE THAT'S GOT THE MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT THE ISLANDS IN THERE.

SO IT'S, IT'S EVEN CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE NOW STILL SINCE IT'S BEEN THAT LONG ON WHICH WAY YES IT IS AND STUFF.

SO ANYWAY, I, YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, WE WE'RE RELUCTANT IN THE PAST.

WE'VE BEEN RELUCTANT ABOUT ALLOWING CURB CUTS HERE.

BUT I THINK FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO THERE, I THINK IT'S, I MEAN I'M

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MY QUESTION IS, IS UH, Y'ALL ARE GOING, IS THIS CULVERTS I GONNA PUT IN OR IS THIS ACTUALLY A BRIDGE OVER THAT? SAL, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA BE CULVERTS OR IT'S GONNA BE A CULVERT, VERTS CULVERTS OR BOXES BOX.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? YES.

SO MY QUESTION, SORRY, GO AHEAD PLEASE.

SO MY QUESTION IS THAT WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THE PROPERTY TO THE LEFT OF THE CREDIT UNION PROPERTIES EVER DEVELOPED ARE, UH, YES.

THAT PROPERTY THERE? SO I'M NOT PRIVY TO WHAT THEY MAY OR MAY NOT DO.

I MEAN, UH, I'VE HEARD CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT THE OVERALL WAS BEFORE.

WE CAME IN SPECIFICALLY TO DEAL WITH THAT SECTION.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT MY QUESTION IS THAT ARE ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW A CROSS TRAFFIC AGREEMENT WITH THEIR PROPERTY SO THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE COMING BACK AND ASKING FOR COME IN THERE AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I, I CERTAINLY CAN ASK THAT.

SO THAT, MY QUESTION IS, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY, OKAY, CREDIT UNION GOT A CUT WE WANT TO CUT.

SO, UH, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT'S CLARIFIED THAT, UH, YEAH, WE CAN PUT, WE CAN PUT THAT INTO THE AGREEMENT.

IS THAT I DO, I I THINK ON THIS SECTION, WHICH IS SECTION B OUT OF THE PUD, I THINK COUNSEL HAD PUT IN THE PUD AGREEMENT THAT THEY WERE OPEN TO HAVING ONE ACCESS AGREEMENT ON OAK DRIVE ON THIS SECTION.

AND AND THAT'S IT ONLY, SO IF THERE WAS ANOTHER REQUEST, I THINK IT WOULD OPEN THE POD.

IT WOULD'VE TO OPEN THE POD.

WHAT, WHAT COUNCILMAN VAN HANYA IS ASKING ABOUT IS THAT IN THIS AGREEMENT FOR THEM TO DO THAT CUT THAT WE COULD PUT THE REQUIREMENT IN THERE TO SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS, CROSS ACCESS TO THAT PROPERTY, USING THAT, USING THAT.

YOU DON'T WANT TO, YOU DON'T WANNA END UP IN THAT SAME SITUATION THAT INCLUDES IN WITH GER RIGHT NOW.

THAT, BUT THAT'S CREATED.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT KNOW THAT'S A GOOD, THAT'S A GOOD, SO THAT'S GOOD QUESTION I HAD WAS, IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE S LINES OR PIPES OR WHATEVER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BUST THIS UP IF WE GOTTA FIX 'EM OR HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK? NO, THERE IS A SANITARY LINE THAT RUNS RIGHT THROUGH THERE.

OBVIOUSLY WE'LL HAVE TO GO ACROSS THAT THERE'S A UTILITY OF POWER LINE THAT GOES THERE, WHICH IS OVERHEAD WHEN THINGS'LL BE GETTING WITH JUST THE POWER COMPANY.

JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER CLEARANCE OF ANYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THERE.

UH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHER LINE THERE OTHER THAN THE SANITARY LINE S THOUGH, SAL, THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

THERE'S A SANITARY LINE THAT DAKOTA RUNS THROUGH THERE THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE INTO.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? THIS WILL BE CONCRETE I PRESUME.

I THINK SO, YES.

IT WILL BE.

THAT'LL, THAT'LL BE IF WE HAVE TO DEFINE THAT IN THE REQUIREMENT.

DO YOU HAVE THOSE FEW ADS? DO WE, IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD PUT, SO THERE'D BE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THE, ACROSS THE CROSS TRAFFIC AGREEMENT.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT I MEAN, ARE WE GONNA REQUIRE 'EM TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THAT? NO, WE HAD NO, NO, WE'VE HAD NO REQUEST FOR A, A TRAFFIC STUDY.

I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE IF WE, IF IF THERE WAS A DEMAND FOR TO PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO RIGHT.

TO DO ONE THAT BUT IS THAT JUST A STOP SIGN THERE OR THERE? A TRAFFIC LIGHT? IT'S A STOP SIGN.

IT'S GONNA, NO CROSS CUT SHOULD BE JUST WRITE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT ON THE, YEAH, RIGHT HERE.

RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING, ANY REAL INTERSECTION THERE OTHER THAN RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.

SO THE ONLY REQUEST I'VE HEARD SO FAR IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT THAT'S NOTED IN THE PLAT CORRECT.

FOR THAT'S, UH, OUT PARCEL NEXT TO IT.

AND THEN IF WE HAVE TO PUT IN THERE REQUIRING THAT IT'S CONCRETE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PUT THAT IN THERE, BUT, UH, YEAH.

CROSS AGREEMENT.

IF THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS.

AND IF YOU WANT TO ADD THE CROSS AGREEMENT IN THERE, IN THE MOTION.

ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I CAN'T, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UM, GIMME ONE SECOND.

IN, UH, CREDIT UNION'S DECISION TO NOT DONATE THAT LAND FOR THE CITY PARK.

THAT WE, UM, I GUESS ADOPT AND ALLOW THE, THE, THE CURB CUTTED OAK AND THE ACCESS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF THE, UM, CROSS ACCESS AGREEMENT.

WE HAVE A, UH, MOTION WHERE COUNCILMAN BROADUS AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES.

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A NOTE HERE THAT, UH, UH, ELECT JACKSON A VERY DISAPPOINTED

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THE ORIGINALLY ORIGINAL, UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY AGREEMENT 'CAUSE THERE WAS NO VERBAL AGREEMENT TO, UH, FOR THAT TO HAPPEN THAT THE CREDIT UNION BACKED OUT OF.

SO, JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST A NOTE.

I MEAN, I GUESS I'M GONNA RESPOND TO THAT IS THAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN THAT NEGOTIATION SO WE CAME UP WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD WORK BEST FOR THE CITIZENS OF LAKE JACKSON'S WITHOUT THE EXPENDITURE OF PUTTING $2 MILLION INTO A PARK.

DONATE THE LAND.

NO, I AGREE WITH YOU.

BUT THE ORIGINAL DID NOT INCLUDE THE INVESTMENT OF THE CITIZENS MONEY IN THAT PART.

SO JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT.

ALRIGHT, ALL WE HAVE A MOTION.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A AYE.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC COMMISSIONS RECOMMENDATION TO INSTALL A NO PARKING SIGNS ON CHUSA FROM SUNFLOWER LANE TO THAT WAY WITH ALL SIGNS MATCHING THE TIMEFRAMES FOR NEARBY STREETS.

I ABSTAINED DO WHAT? YES.

DID YOU ABSTAIN? YES, I DID.

[3. Discuss and consider the Traffic Commission’s recommendation to install “No Parking” signs on Anchusa from Sunflower Lane to That Way, with all signs matching the time frames of nearby streets. - Debbie Webb]

DEB.

SO I COME TO YOU TONIGHT TO JUST, UH, GET YOU TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER WHAT THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING AND THEY WANT TO EXTEND THOSE, UH, NO PARKING SIGNS ON OUT ALL THE WAY DOWN SUNFLOWER LANE TO THAT WAY.

UM, AND I, THIS IS THEIR CONCLUSION THAT THIS WILL HELP THE TRAFFIC SITUATION OVER THERE, UH, TOO.

IS THIS IN REFERENCE TO THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC? SEE THIS ALL THE TIME? SO IT IS, YES, I WAS IT IS REFERENCE TO THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC, CORRECT? RIGHT.

THIS IS AT BRANDON.

AND I WAS, I WAS AT THAT MEETING.

SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A, UM, THERE'S LIKE ONE NO TRAFFIC SIGN.

I THINK IT'S RIGHT IN HERE SOMEWHERE.

THAT'S, BUT IT'S JUST FOR THE AFTERNOON.

UH, AND THEN, SO I, WHAT I'VE SEEN PERSONALLY HAPPEN, 'CAUSE I DO DROP OFF EVERY DAY, UH, AND HEARD, UH, ANECDOTES AS WELL, IS THAT A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'VE BEEN DOING IN HERE, SO IT WAS ALREADY HERE, NO PARKING.

AND THEN HERE AS WELL.

AND THEN AS THE SCHOOL MOVED, IT CAME ONTO HERE AT ROYAL OAK WHERE I GREW UP.

AND, UH, WE PUT A STOP TO THAT AND THEN RECENTLY HERE.

UM, AND SO A, A LOT OF THESE CHANGES HERE ARE PUSHING PEOPLE LIKE I, I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN SOMEBODY JUST DEAD STOPPED RIGHT HERE.

UH, CARS COMING AROUND, KIDS ARE TRYING TO CROSS, UH, VARIOUS POINTS RIGHT.

TO GET TO SCHOOL AND, AND A CAR'S JUST STRAIGHT UP IN THE LANE.

SO I WAS GOING THIS WAY.

UH, THAT'S HAPPENED.

I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN A PARENT, SAME PARENT MORE THAN ONCE, PARK IN A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE TO WALK HIS KIDS ACROSS THE SCHOOL.

ANY, THEY'LL DO VIRTUALLY ANYTHING TO AVOID THESE STACKING LANES FOR SOME REASON, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY MOVE RELATIVELY QUICKLY.

AND SO THE LATEST IS, UM, PARKING ON CHUSA, WHICH IS SORT OF THE LAST VESTIGE OF, OF PLACES WITHOUT THE NO PARKING SIGNS.

AND, UM, IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION, THE WORST PLACE TO PARK.

'CAUSE THIS IS SORT OF THE MAIN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAIN DRAGS HERE.

AND SO, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HERE, I BELIEVE, TO MAKE IT MORE, MORE TROUBLE THAN IT'S WORTH.

BECAUSE THIS ALSO, THIS IS A RELATIVELY BLIND, IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN DOWN IT, THIS UH, BLUEBONNET PARK IS REALLY TALL.

YOU CAN'T SEE VERY WELL.

THERE'S FLOODING ISSUES WHEN IT RAINS AND JUST OTHER THINGS.

AND SO THEY WANTED TO TAKE IT BACK HERE FOR THE SAFETY OF THE KIDS BECAUSE A LOT OF PARENTS WALK THEIR KIDS FROM HERE.

THEY WALK THEIR KIDS FROM UP IN HERE.

ALL OF THESE KIDS, YOU KNOW, WALKING STUFF, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW WALKERS AND, UM, THOSE, IF A CAR IS PARKED HERE RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY TRYING TO GO AROUND THEM AND THE KIDS TRYING TO CROSS THE STREET, IT'S JUST NOT A VERY SAFE PLACE.

AND RHONDA CAN SPEAK BETTER THAN I CAN ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CARS AND, AND CHILDREN, UH, COME TOGETHER UNEXPECTEDLY IN PLACES LIKE THIS.

AND SO THE, TO AVOID THAT, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO MAKE AND CHOOSE SOME MATCH, ALL OF THE OTHER SORT OF SIDE STREETS AROUND HERE TO PREVENT HOW FAR, HOW FAR DOWN DOES THE NO PARKING GO? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? RIGHT NOW? LEFT OR RIGHT BY OR BY ORDINANCE? IT'S, I BELIEVE UNDER WHEN, BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S LIKE ONE SIGN RIGHT HERE.

SO THE DROP OFF TIME IS, YEAH, I THINK THINK, UH, MR. COUNCILMAN BROUGHT US IS RIGHT.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RULE IS FOR HOW CLOSE YOU GOTTA BE TO THAT SIGN.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS A SIGN FROM HERE DOWN.

AND THEN THE ONE THAT IS HERE, LIKE I SAID, IS JUST, UH, AFTERNOONS ONLY.

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I THINK THERE MAY BE ONE, MAY BE TWO.

UM, BUT THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY SAYS TO DALIA, UM, SO WE COULD PUT A COUPLE OF SIGNS THERE, BUT THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION IS RIGHT.

THEY'VE ASKED TO GO TO THE CURB.

SO DO WE HAVE CROSSING GUARDS IN THAT AREA OF THE NO, THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL DOES.

THE SCHOOL DOES, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T PROVIDE, WE ONLY PROVIDE SCHOOL CROSSING GUARDS AWAY FROM THE SCHOOLS.

THE SCHOOLS PROVIDE IT WHEN IT'S, UH, ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

SO THE, THE REASON THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE SIGN THERE AGAIN, IS THAT THIS IS A VESTIGE OF THE OLD, WHERE THE OLD SCHOOL WAS.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER THAT OLD SCHOOL, THIS WAS PARKING LOT FOR TEACHERS AND WHATNOT.

AND THEN THERE WAS A DRIVEWAY IN HERE.

SO THERE WASN'T REALLY A LOT OF PLACES TO STOP ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THE ONE SIGN WAS SUFFICIENT.

BUT NOW THAT THIS IS ALL GREEN, THIS IS ALL SIDEWALK AND THEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FENCE ALONG HERE AND EVERYTHING, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE AMENABLE TO PARKING THAN IT ACTUALLY IS.

SO WE PROVIDE A CROSSING GUARD HERE.

AND THEN A TEACHER, UH, PROVIDES A CROSSING GUARD HERE, RIGHT? CORRECT.

SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS FROM THE CHIEF CHIEF'S PERSPECTIVE, DOES THIS GIVE YOU OR THE PD ENOUGH TOOLS TO KIND OF RESOLVE THIS PROBLEM? SURE.

THE PROPER SIGNAGE WOULD MAKE IT VERY EASY.

AND THERE'S ENOUGH, THERE'S A BROAD ENOUGH SPAN WITH WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING.

SO AGAIN, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO PUT SIGNS IN ALL THE WAY FROM THAT WAY TO SUNFLOWER WITH THE, UH, THAT JUST TO DESIGNATE THAT ENTIRE STRIP AS THERE'S NO PARKING WITH, AND THEN THE SIGNAGE AS, AS, AS NEEDED TO, TO GET THAT POINT.

AND IS THAT ON BOTH SIDES, I GUESS, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE JUST GONNA MOVE IT OVER PROBABLY.

SO IT IS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO THE ORDINANCE READS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PARKING FROM THAT WAY TO DAHLIA.

SO WE'RE EXTENDING IT TO, NOW WE'RE EXTENDING IT FROM DAHLIA TO SOME TO SUNFLOWER.

AND WE'RE GONNA PUT ADDITIONAL SIGNS.

NOW WE PROBABLY AND WHAT WE, WHAT WILL BE THE TIMES THAT, UH, WOULD BE NO PARKING WOULD BE ALL THE TIME OR SOME OF THE, UH, TIME OR WHAT SCHOOL SOMETIMES WOULD DROP OFF AND PICK UP.

I THINK IT'S THE, THE AGENDA ITEM IS ALL SIGNS MATCHING THE TIMEFRAMES OF NEARBY STREET.

SO IT WOULD MATCH THE, I THINK IT'S THREE 15 TO FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON, IN THE MORNINGS.

I WANT TO SAY SEVEN TO EIGHT 15 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

PLUS OR 7, 7 30 TO EIGHT 15 MAYBE.

WHATEVER, WHATEVER THOSE OTHER ONES SAY.

THE OTHER ISSUE THAT I WOULD SUGGEST CONSIDERING, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE THAT ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY, IS, UH, FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO JUST HIT THE BRAKES REAL QUICK, OPEN THE DOORS AND KIDS FLY OUT, WE SEE THAT I'M WITH, AND SO, AND I DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT IF, IF SOMETHING'S INCLUDED ABOUT LOADING AND UNLOADING DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME WOULD BE, UH, WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA ARGUE THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T PARKED JUST STANDING IN THE ROADWAY AND FOR JUST A SECOND, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE AT THE TICKETS, WE CAN PROSECUTE THEM FOR PARKING 'CAUSE ONCE YOU'VE STOPPED YOUR PARK.

BUT I MEAN, I CAN ADD I GUESS LOADING THAN THAT.

IT, IT'S MORE SO THAT WHAT THEY PERCEIVE THAN WHAT THEY'RE GONNA WANNA ARGUE LATER.

LOOK, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVE HEAD IT OFF AT THE PAST, BUT UH, YEAH, THIS IS SO THEY KNOW THAT'S INCLUDING THE PARKING.

SO HOW SOON WOULD THESE SIGNS BE PLACED? HMM.

IT PROBABLY TAKES, UH, MAKING IS NOT THE TROUBLE.

IT'S, UH, GETTING UTILITY LOCATES, UM, SET UP.

SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IN THREE TO FOUR WEEKS IT STILL GOTTA COME BACK TO US.

SHERRY'S GOTTA BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK TO US.

WELL, YEAH.

BUT THIS IS JUST A LITTLE SECTION.

THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND SIGN THE WRONG PART OF THE ROAD.

SO WHAT I HEARD IS, IS IF WE GO FORWARD, THE SIGNAGE IS THAT, UH, RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CHIEF IS TO INCLUDE UNLOADING AND UNLOADING JUST TO COVER THE BASES.

OR TO KEEP FROM A, AN ARGUMENT.

WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FIT ON ON A SIGN.

THERE'S ALWAYS SO MUCH WE CAN PUT AN ADDENDUM WE CAN FIT ON THERE.

PUT AN END.

I, I THINK YEAH.

WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO TALK TO SHERRY AND THE CHIEF.

I KNOW LAKE ROAD.

I THINK IT HAS UNLOADING AND LOADING AND HERE IT DOESN'T, IT HAS THE NO, THE NO PARKING.

SO HOW ABOUT NO STOPPING? UM, I'VE SEEN THOSE SIGNS, THE STANDARD SIGNS AND TEXAS GO.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL COME UP WITH SOMETHING BY THE TIME THE ORDINANCE TO SEE WHAT IS THE BEST, THE BEST WORDING.

INTRUSIVE, UH, YOU KNOW, EVENT.

YEAH, IT'S USUALLY WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN FIT ON THE SIGN ITSELF.

UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GONNA SAY, GET IT TOO BUSY, LIKE, LIKE CHIEF WAS SAYING, UH, AT LJI AND STUFF, THOSE KIDS ARE A LITTLE OLDER RIGHT.

SO THEY CAN SORT OF TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.

BUT IT ONLY GOES UP TO FOURTH GRADE THERE, BRANDON.

SO MOST OF THE TIME IT'S LIKE PARENTS PARK, GET OUT, GO AROUND, HELP THE KINDERGAR GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S QUITE A, QUITE AN

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SO I DON'T, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY JUST SLOW ROLL AND, AND KICK 'EM OUT.

THAT HADN'T HAPPENED YET, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T SIT OUT THERE AND LOOK SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT, BUT UM, DEFINITELY IT HAPPENS AT, I'VE SEEN IT.

OH YEAH, I'M SURE AT THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, ON OYSTER CREEK DRIVE A LITTLE SIDE ROADS.

IT'S JUST FASCINATING.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? I JUST, IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THIS, IS THERE ANY WAY, 'CAUSE LISTEN, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT TIMING.

SO IF IT'S FOUR WEEKS, WE'RE GETTING PRETTY CLOSE TO SUMMER AT, AT THAT POINT, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF THEM TO, TO HELP EDUCATE THE PARENTS WITH UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR AND THEN WE BACK IT UP MAYBE WITH A LITTLE BIT CLOSER MONITORING AND JUST KIND OF GET EVERYBODY REACCLIMATED TO THE NEW PROCESS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR? YEAH.

INCREASE CONTROLS.

YEAH, FOR SURE.

BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OF HEY, HELP EDUCATE THE PARENTS.

YOU DO A LETTER TO.

YEAH, I'LL SEND A LETTER.

AND THIS IS ON THEIR MIND.

'CAUSE THE, THE DISTRICT HAS ALREADY ALTERED THEIR DISMISSAL PROCEDURES TO ADDRESS THE SAME THING.

THEY DON'T LET THE WALKERS LEAVE UNTIL FOUR O'CLOCK SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS CROSSING THE ROAD WHILE PEOPLE ARE DOING ALL KINDS OF CRAZINESS.

SO IT'S ALL, IT'S ON THE MIND OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE PARENTS ALREADY.

BUT, AND I THINK COMMUNICATION FROM THEM TO LET 'EM KNOW WOULD BE A GREAT THING.

AND UH, AND IT WILL PUT THE SIGNAGE UP AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

UH, BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME IS IS THAT, UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COMMIT TO GO BACK TO, UH, UH, AT BEFORE THE FIRST OF THE YEAR OR WHEN THE SCHOOL YEAR STARTS, IS WE'LL DO SLOW, UH, CLOSE PATROLLING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO GET PEOPLE YEAH.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD LET THEM KNOW THAT THERE, THIS ORDINANCE ALREADY EXISTS FROM DAHLIA TO THAT WAY, SO THERE'S NO CHANGE THERE.

THE CHANGES FROM VALUE TO SUNFLOWER, SO THAT THAT PARTICULAR ORDINANCE IS IN EFFECT.

SO THEN SIGNAGE IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S MISSING.

SO BASICALLY JUST GETTING IN, IN THE PROPER LINE.

SO AGAIN, WE'LL DO A LETTER TO BISD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

MAKE 'EM AWARE OF THIS AND TELL 'EM SIGNAGE WILL BE ADDED, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE WILL BE ADDED FOR THAT WAY TO DALIA.

AND THEN, UH, THE NEW SIGNAGE FOR ONCE THE ORDINANCE IS IN PLACE FOR UP TO SUNFLOWER.

AND I'LL NEED A MOTION ON THIS.

MAYOR.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, CON TO APPROVE THE TRAFFIC COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION TO INSTALL NO PARKING SIGNS ON ANUS FROM SUNFLOWER LANE TO THAT WAY WITH ALL SIGNS MATCHING THE TIMEFRAMES OF NEARBY STREETS.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SETH, I SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

CHAIR, YOU THINK THAT ORDINANCE TO BE BACK NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? YES.

AND WE'LL START WORKING ON UTILITY LINE LOCATES NOW, SO WE CAN GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY.

DON'T PUNCH A HOLE IN THE SEWER LINE.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER TERMINATING THE PROFESSIONAL DESIGN CONTRACT FOR ABOVE GROUND FUR REFUELING TANKS, UH, WITH PGAL DUE TO ESTIMATED COST CONSTRUCTION COSTS IN THE SALARY.

ITEM FOUR IS

[4. Discuss and consider terminating the professional design contract for above-ground refueling tanks with PGAL due to estimated construction costs. – Sal Aguirre/Sherri Russell]

UH, MR. MAYOR COUNSEL? YES, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UH, FIRST OF ALL OFFER THAT TO CONSIDER TERMINATING THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE, UH, ONGOING.

THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SET FOR $132,000.

UH, ORIGINALLY, UH, THE VERY FIRST, UH, THE VERY FIRST BUDGET THAT WAS SET FOR THIS THING WAS 450,000.

AND IT HAD, IT HAD ALREADY, IT HAD BEEN INCREASED TWICE DURING THE COURSE OF THE, UH, OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT THERE UP TO THE 450, UH, AMOUNT, 450,000 AMOUNT.

UH, LIKE I SAID IN MY, IN MY REPORT, THAT WAS BASED ON A COST THAT THE CITY OF SUGARLAND HAD DONE FOR A SIMILAR PROJECT WITH THE, UH, THE SAME ARCHITECT OR IN THIS CASE CONSULTANT.

UH, THIS IS WHAT WAS TAKEN FROM THEM.

AND, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS ENOUGH.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

AND UH, WHEN WE NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACT WITH P GAL, UH,

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WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY P GAL'S, UH, CONTRACT WITH SUGAR LAND, WHICH WAS ABOUT, FOR ABOUT $40,000, IT HAD EXPLODED TO, TO $132,000.

BUT THE LEGWORK HAD ALREADY BEEN DONE.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE A, A SLAM DUNK THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT FOR US.

UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND, AND APPROVED THAT PROJECT.

UH, AND DURING THE COURSE OF THE DESIGN, IT HADN'T BEEN, BUT A 30% DESIGN, THEY CAME BACK WITH AN OPINION OF VALUE FOR THAT PROJECT AND THAT, UH, COST THAT BALLOONED UP TO ONE, UH, 1.2, UH, 1 MILLION AND $200,000.

AGAIN, I MEAN, I WANT TO CLARIFY, PETE GAL DID NOT GIVE US THE NUMBER OF $450,000.

WE NO, WE, WE STOLE THAT INTERNALLY.

SO FROM JUST LOOKING AT A SIMILAR PROJECT, UH, YEAH.

ON, ON THERE.

SO THEIR CONTRACT WAS 250,000.

SO THE MISTAKE WAS NOT P GAL'S, UH, NO MISTAKE.

AND, UH, SO WHEN THEY CAME BACK WITH 1.2 AS THE ESTIMATE THERE, WE AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT DECIDED THAT WE NEEDED TO STOP THE CONTRACT AND WE DID.

NOW WE DIDN'T, UH, CANCEL THE CONTRACT BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE WE WERE GONNA GO NEXT.

UH, BECAUSE THE NEED WAS THERE FOR SOME TYPE OF, UH, SOME TYPE OF RESPONSE TO THE, TO THE, TO THE CONDITION OF THOSE TANKS THERE.

UH, SO SHE SAID THAT WHAT, WHAT IS THE ESTIMATE LIFESPAN ON THE TANKS THAT WE HAVE NOW? UH, WELL, THEY'VE BEEN DOWN ON THE GROUND FOR 30 YEARS NOW, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS SINCE 1980, A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SO, UH, AND THAT'S THE UNDERGROUND TANKS.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

THIS CONTRACT WAS FOR THE ABOVE, ABOVE GROUND TANKS, UH, BECAUSE WE WERE TRYING TO JUST, UH, ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBLE PROBLEMS, JUST GET AHEAD OF THE GAME.

UH, AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE INTENT.

THE WHOLE IDEA, AND THAT THAT CAME FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, UH, SERVICE CENTER REQUEST.

SO WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH 'EM RIGHT NOW.

UH, WE DO HAVE LEAKING INTO THE, UH, WHAT WE CALL THE SUMP AREAS OF THE SUMP CONTAINMENT OF THE TANK, NOT THE TANK THEMSELVES.

THE TANKS ARE, ARE SOUND, IT IS THIS SUMP CONTAINMENT WHERE WHATEVER WATER GETS INTO THE, THE PUMP CONTROLS OF THE TANK, THAT'S WHERE THE WATER GETS INTO THE, AND THAT CREATES PROBLEMS NOT ONLY WITH THE PUMPS THEMSELVES, UH, THE CORROSION THAT, THAT, THAT OCCURS, UH, ON THAT EQUIPMENT THERE AND THE ELECTRIC, UH, CONTROLS THAT ARE THERE.

BUT ALSO THAT, UH, TCQ COMES IN THERE AND DOES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN, UH, IN INSPECTING THOSE TANKS.

AND THAT PUTS US ON A, YOU KNOW, ON A PROBLEM SITUATION IF, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY DO CALL TO ATTENTION THERE.

SO THANK YOU.

WE'RE PROACTIVE.

I MEAN THE, THE, THE SERVICE CENTERS HAD BEEN PROACTIVE ON THIS THING.

SO WHAT IS THE EXPECTED LIFESPAN EXPANSION, UH, EXTENSION OF THESE TANKS TO BE, IF WE REHAB THEM, HOW MUCH LONGER, HOW MUCH MORE USE CAN WE GET OUT OF THEM? WELL, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY YOU WERE AT LEAST HALF ABOUT 15 YEARS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, UNTIL SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.

AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

CAN WE ACTUALLY REHAB AGAIN? UH, ARE YOU GONNA BE AROUND FOR THAT? SO , I WISH, UH, SO THE, THE $40,000 OR WHATEVER IS, IS THAT, OR THE REHAB, IS IT FOR THE SUMP CONTAINMENT AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR IS IT FOR THE ACTUAL TANKS? THE SELF CONTAINMENT AREA.

BUT THE TANKS HAVE BEEN INSPECTED, THE TANKS WERE TESTED, THE TANKS ARE NOT LEAKING.

AND THESE ARE FIBERGLASS TANK.

AND SO THIS, THIS SHOULD LAST A LONG TIME.

STEEL TANK IS THE ONE THAT USUALLY EATS OUR BY.

SO WHAT THE NEW PROPOSAL IS, CHANGE THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM, PUT A NEW PUMP AND SEAL THE WHOLE CONTAINER.

OH, GOTCHA.

AND WE, I THINK WE GOT A COST ESTIMATE ABOUT WHAT, 200 SOMETHING? OH, WELL NO, THE COST ESTIMATE ORIGINALLY.

UH, AND I'LL GET BACK TO, UH, GET BACK ON THAT OTHER ITEM.

THAT'S NUMBER, THAT'S NUMBER TWO, CORRECT.

BEFORE WE JUMP INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

OUT OUT OF FOR THE, FOR THE DESIGN CONTRACT.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW OF THAT 132,000, WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY PAID EXPENSE OFF OF THAT ONE.

IT'S ABOUT 30,000, 30,500.

UH, THAT INCLUDES THE 21,500 DESIGN.

AND THEN THERE'S BEEN SURVEY AND SOME REIMBURSABLES, VERY MINOR.

SO WE WILL BE CLOSING THIS IF YOU APPROVE THIS THING, UH, WE'RE CLOSING WITH A BALANCE OF A, OF 101,696

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THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE PAYING THEM 1 0 1.

THAT'S THE BALANCE THAT'S LEFT.

THAT'S THE BALANCE LEFT.

THAT'S THE MONEY.

WE'D BE CLOSING THAT AMOUNT WITH THAT BALANCE.

SO I THINK WHERE SOME CONFUSION WAS IS THAT THE 132 ORIGINAL SCOPE DOLLARS WAS, THIS IS FOR ENGINEERING.

THAT WAS ENGINEERING DOLLARS.

THIS IS JUST CONSULTANT.

IT'S NOT FOR ACTUAL REPAIR, NOT ACTUAL FLOOR.

IN ESSENCE, WE PAID FOR PRELIMINARY DESIGN TO FIND OUT WHAT THE COSTS, COST OF THAT PROJECT WOULD BE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? TO CANCEL THIS CONTRACT, THEN I'LL TAKE A MOTION PLEASE.

MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, TERMINATE THE PROFESSIONAL DESIGN CONTRACT FOR ABOVE GROUND REFUELING TANKS WITH PGAL AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN HANYA.

SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN SETH.

HA HAVING ABANDONED THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT, THEN WHAT, UH, WE WENT BACK INTO AND, UH, THE, UH, THE SERVICE CENTER STAFF CON, UH, WENT BACK TO THEIR, UH, MAINTENANCE CONTRACTOR THAT DOES MOST OF THE WORK ON THE, ON THE TANKS THE WAY THEY ARE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL.

NOW WE MOVE ON TO

[5. Discuss and consider approving a new contract with PGAL for design services to rehabilitate existing underground refueling tanks in an amount not exceeding $40,000. – Sal Aguirre/Sherri Russell]

AND, UH, THEY WORKED OUT A, A REPAIR OF A PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE SUMP AREAS, REWORKING THE, THE SUMP AREAS AGAIN, RE UH, UH, PUTTING IN, UH, A NEW, UH, FIBERGLASS TYPE OF REPAIRS TO THAT THING, POSSIBLY SOME ELECTRICAL, UH, REPAIRS ALSO.

AND, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME PUMPS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS PARTICULAR NEW DESIGN.

UH, THE ORIGINAL, UH, TAKEOFF THAT HE, THAT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACTOR MADE, UH, WENT UP TO ABOUT $90,000.

YOU KNOW, FROM THEN, FROM THAT POINT ON, WE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ADD, YOU CAN TAG ANOTHER $30,000 HOPEFULLY, BUT BECAUSE IT BEING $130,000, WE ARE, YOU KNOW, BOUND TO USE ANOTHER ENGINEERING DESIGN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH STATE LAW, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT BACK TO PGAL SINCE THEY HAD ALREADY DONE, I MEAN, HAD SOME OF THE WORK DONE THERE.

THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT.

SO TO US IT WAS THE MOST LOGICAL THING JUST TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, GIVE A GO BEYOND THAT.

THE FIRST STEP.

GO BEYOND THAT ONE.

UH, HE CAME BACK WHEN WE APPROACHED HIM AND, AND ASKED HIM TO GIVE US A PROPOSAL, HE CAME UP WITH A NEW PROPOSAL OF 54, 2 50 OFF OF THAT HE MADE A CREDIT, A CREDIT ADJUSTMENT FOR THE 21,500 HE HAD ALREADY CHARGED FOR THE PREVIOUS DESIGN.

THE NEW SCOPE OF THE CONTRACT LEAVES NOW A BALANCE OF, FOR THIS PARTICULAR NEW CONTRACT WITH THEM OF 32,750 AND A POSSIBILITY OF CONTINGENCY REIMBURSABLES OF 7272 50, WHICH IS THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING THAT, UH, THAT THE NEW CONTRACT RATE 40 NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF 40,000 BUCKS.

AND THIS IS STILL FOR DESIGN WORK? THIS IS HE DESIGN WORK.

THIS ISN'T FOR FIXING, WE NOTHING AT THIS POINT, IT DOESN'T FIX ANYTHING.

WE'RE HOPING THAT, THAT THE NEW BID WOULD NOW COME BACK IN AT, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 120 TO 200,000 BUCKS.

HOPEFULLY THAT THIS IS NEITHER REALLY HERE NOR THERE.

BUT, SO FOR THE FIRST DESIGN WORK TO DO ALL NEW TANKS.

IT WAS $21,000, RIGHT? NO.

WELL THAT'S ALWAYS FROM THE DESIGN.

THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS DESIGNED RIGHT.

TO DO ALL NEW TANKS CORRECT.

TO DESIGN ALL NEW TANKS.

SO THIS TIME THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE US $54,000 TO DESIGN REFURBISHING THE, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, IT WAS $132,000 TO DO THE FIRST DESIGN.

THEY ONLY SPEND $30,000 OF THAT.

SO WE STILL HAVE $101,000 OF THAT DESIGN THAT WE DID NOT SPEND.

I JUST DON'T, I JUST DON'T KNOW.

THIS CREDIT ADJUSTMENT IS REALLY ALL AS BENEVOLENT AS THERE.

WELL, NO, I MEAN, THEY'RE TAKING 21,000 THAT THEY HAD ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY HAD CHARGED US AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA RECHARGE THAT AGAIN.

AND IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PROJECT NOW.

WE'RE THEY'RE FIXING STUFF INSTEAD OF PULLING IT OUT OF THE CORNER AND MAKING IT ALL.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THIS, BUT THIS, I MEAN, THE , THIS DESIGN, THIS DESIGN TO DO A SIMPLER PROJECT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MORE THAN TO DO THE MORE COMPLEX PROJECT.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

NO, 123,000.

123,000 WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN JUST FOR THE DESIGN THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE FIXING NO.

THE PROJECT.

GOTCHA.

THE, THE NEW DESIGN FOR THE SUMP AREA AND KEEPING ABOVE GROUND TANKS IS 40, 40 IS GONNA BE AT 40,000.

GOTCHA, GOTCHA, GOTCHA.

SO NOW THAT

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SO IT'S 40,000 OF THE 101 BALANCE, BASICALLY THAT WE APPROVED.

GOTCHA.

IT'S, IT'S HARD TO FOLLOW.

IT IS HARD TO FOLLOW.

UH, CORRECT.

BUT WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GONNA COST TO FIX IT, RIGHT? CORRECT.

THIS WILL NOT PROVIDE US THE BID THAT WE'RE GONNA GO FOR.

THAT WILL TELL US HOW MUCH WOULD BE THAT FIXING, UH, PROJECT WE DO.

THE ONLY WAY WE COULD HAVE SAVED ANY MONEY, I GUESS, IS IF, IF WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, BECAUSE THE CURRENT DESIGN, IF WE WERE DOING IT FROM SCRATCH, IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, THE CURRENT DESIGN WOULD BE $54,000 IF WE STARTED FROM SCRATCH.

AND, UH, SO INSTEAD OF COSTING US $54, IT, IT'S COSTING US $40 PLUS THE 30 THAT WE'VE ALREADY SPENT.

AND NOTHING'S STILL FIXED AND NOTHING'S THE ENGINEERS GOTTA GET THEIR MONEY.

GOTTA HAVE A DESIGN.

BUT WE DO THINK, I MEAN, WITH THIS CHANGE, UH, I MEAN THE GOAL IS TO, UM, GET THE TANKS BACK INTO SHAPE AND STAY WITHIN THE $450,000 BUDGET.

SO THE, THE BID OF THE NEW SCOPED PROJECT IS GOTTA COME IN BELOW THAT TOTAL OF FOUR 50.

AND HOPEFULLY TAKE CARE OF THE $70,000.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? ITEM FIVE.

IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM FIVE, MR. MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ADOPT ITEM FIVE, UM, APPROVING THE NEW CONTRACT WITH PGO, UH, AS PRESENTED.

WE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BROADUS SECOND AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN, UH, MEAN HANYA.

I'M LOOKING AT NAMES HERE.

SORRY.

DISCUSS AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER, UH, 90 SUBDIVISIONS AND DEVELOPMENT MANUAL TO DISCUSS, UH, DISTINGUISHED SITE PLAN FILING PROCEDURES FOR PLOT FILING PROCEDURES, UH, FILING PROCEDURES, ESTABLISH GUIDELINES FOR DEVELOPERS RIGHT OF WAYS, UH, DEDICATIONS AND RAISE THE MINIMUM FLOOR ELEVATION TO PREVENT BUILDING FLOODING.

MOTION CARRIES.

ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO

[6. Discuss amendments to Ch. 90 Subdivisions and the Development Manual to distinguish site plan filing procedures from plat filing procedures, establish guidelines for developer right-of-way dedications, and raise the minimum floor elevation to prevent building flooding. – Sal Aguirre/Sherri Russell]

AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE BEEN, AGAIN, WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME.

SO, YES, AND I'LL LET, UH, SHERRY THERE TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE.

I, I'LL ADD WHATEVER I NEED TO DO.

YEAH, HE'S, HE'S THE TECHNICAL MAN.

I'M JUST DOING WORDS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN.

SO THERE'S THREE MAJOR CHANGES.

THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL CHANGES I HAVEN'T BROUGHT TO YOU BECAUSE I THINK YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THREE MAJOR CHANGES.

UM, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU, WHAT PAGE IS THIS ON PAGE 37 IS, UH, THE LEGISLATURE ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED WITH AND, UM, THEY HAD TWO LEGISLATURES TO GO PUT IN THIS VERY STRICT SHOP CLOCK FOR PLAQUES AND SITE PLANS.

THIS LEGISLATURE, THEY TOOK OUT THE SITE PLANS.

THEY'RE NOT ON THE SHOP CLOCK ANYMORE.

AND SO WE HAD HAD TO REVAMP CHAPTER 90.

NOW WE'RE DOING IT AGAIN, TAKING OUT THE SITE PLANS FROM THE SHOP SHOP CLOCK, WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE.

'CAUSE THOSE THINGS ARE NOT, THERE'S A LOT OF VARIABLE INSIGHT PLANS OF, AND THERE'S NOT THAT MUCH IN CLASS.

ALSO, UM, ON 90 DASH 31 INSTEAD OF THE 10 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

JUST A CONCRETE, THE 15TH OF THE MONTH.

BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIVE LIKE WE DO 10 DAYS PRIOR AND FIVE DAYS AFTER THEY, THEY JUST HAVE A CALENDAR.

AND SO WE THINK IT'LL, IT'LL BE EASIER FOR THEM TO KNOW, OKAY, IT'S THE 15TH.

I HAVE TO GET IT IN BY THEN.

UM, LET'S SEE.

THAT'S JUST MORE TAKING ALL THE SITE PLANS OUT AND PUTTING THEM IN.

AND THEN THE FEE TABLE LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN CHANGED.

IT'S JUST CONSOLIDATED.

EVERYTHING WAS THE SAME PRICE.

IT WAS EITHER 300, A HUNDRED OR 150.

SO I JUST CONSOLIDATED THEM.

SO THERE'LL ONLY BE SIX LINES IN THE, IN THE TABLE.

BUT I DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE PRICES.

SO, STILL HAVE A QUESTION.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, PUTTING SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY IF THERE'S GONNA BE A ZONING CHANGE.

YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THEIR COST? I DON'T THINK IT IS IN, IN THIS PARTICULAR DEAL.

, IS THAT COST INCLUDED IN THEIR MONEY HERE?

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I DON'T THINK WE CHANGED THIS, THESE FEES WHEN WE, WHEN WE, UM, OKAY.

THIS IS, HERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE THIS IS PART OF, THIS IS NOT PART OF THE MANUAL.

IT IS PART OF THE ZONING.

OH YEAH.

THAT WOULD BE ZONING.

THAT WOULD BE THE ZONING FEES.

SO WE DON'T HAVE IT AS PART OF THE SUBDIVISION.

'CAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE HERE.

JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE THAT COST.

AND THAT'S IT FOR CHAPTER 90.

THE DEVELOPMENT MANUAL, UM, PAGES IS PAGE 40.

THIS IS SOME OF THE SMALL STUFF THAT I PUT IN FOR SOME REASON YOU CAN SEE IS JUST RENAMING THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT WILL COME TO YOU WHEN THIS ACTUALLY COMES BEFORE YOU IN ORDINANCE FORM THE, UM, BUT WHAT THE BIG CHANGE ON HERE IS PAGE 41, WHERE, UM, WE DON'T HAVE EASEMENTS UP TO WATER METERS IN.

AND SO WE'RE JUST WALKING ON PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO IT EASE, IT WOULD BE EASIER IF GOING FORWARD, WE ALSO HAD AN EASEMENT JUST TO GET US TO THE WATER METER SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN IT AND WORK ON IT OR READ IT.

AND THAT CAME ABOUT FROM THE, UH, LAKEWOOD PROJECT.

AND IT, IT, UH, TYPICALLY WOULD ALSO COME FROM COMMERCIAL WHERE, UH, VAULTS HAVE TO BE INSTALLED AND VAULTS TAKE A LOT OF SPOT, A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, SPACE.

SO THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO BE INSTALLED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PART OF IT, OR SOMETIMES THE, IN INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE STARTING TO REQUIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THOSE EAST ONE BE, UH, THAT BE PUT IN THERE BY THE DEVELOPER.

BUT THE ONE, THE ONE THAT REALLY SPARKED THIS WHOLE THING WAS THE LAKEWOOD, WHERE THE, UH, EVERYTHING WAS SO CONGESTED IN, IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT IT, IT BECAME NEAR IMPOSSIBLE FOR, FOR THOSE METERS NOT TO BE INTERFERING WITH, UH, WITH SOME OF THEIR STUFF.

SO WE ASKED THEM IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THE METER IN THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING ANY PROBLEMS OF EITHER DAMAGING, UH, THEIR, UH, THEIR UTILITIES OR, OR, YOU KNOW, PUTTING US OUR PEOPLE IN ON, IN HARM'S WAY.

WE ASK 'EM TO PROVIDE US, UH, AN INTERNAL EASEMENT FOR THOSE LOCATIONS HERE.

ANYTHING ELSE, JERRY? OH, WE'RE GOING? YES.

UM, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW.

THIS ONE, UM, SAL ON THE, UH, BAR WILL BE 24 INCHES.

EXHIBIT OF 18 ON MAJOR THOROUGH AFFAIRS.

EXCUSE ME.

LOOK AT, LOOK AT PAGE WHERE YOU, UH, 8.05.

8.05.

UH, ITEM C 8.05.

UH, WELL THE STANDARD HAS BEEN, THE WAY WE HAVE, UH, THE STANDARD WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING ALL ALONG IS 24 INCHES ON CENTER ON THE RAINFOREST STEEL.

UH, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT 18 INCHES CAME FROM.

UH, SO WE, SO WE, UH, DECIDED TO MAKE IT WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO NOW.

SO IT'S A CORRECTION.

SO, AND 9 0 1 IS FLOODING.

UM, I THINK THE FLOOD DEVELOPMENT PERMIT AND, UH, IS JUST A CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHO NEEDS A PERMIT.

BUT THEN FOR, UH, COMMERCIAL, THE FLOOR ELEVATION IS GOING TO 24 INCHES.

WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO, TO BECOME CONSISTENT AND HAVE, UH, SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T CHANGE FROM HERE TO THERE.

WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTIAL, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL, WHETHER IT'S ZONE IN A ZX OR A ZONE AE NOW, UH, SPECIFICALLY ZONE AE BROUGHT IN DIFFERENT, UH, REQUIREMENTS.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO STAY WITH, WHAT EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY DOES, WE HAVE ADOPTED THE COUNTIES MANUAL.

AND THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENT IS, THAT'LL BE 24, UH, 24 INCHES ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION.

SO, UH, IF THE BASE FLOOD, UH, IN THE ZONE A SAYS 2021, THEN, UH, THE, UH, FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS GONNA BE 23.

SO THERE WON'T BE ANY CONFUSION.

AND PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO EXPECT.

STILL HAVE A QUESTION.

LIKE IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE STREET, LIKE WINDING WAY MM-HMM.

SO THAT STREET COULD BE AT ANY ELEVATION.

DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A STANDARD CITY ELEVATION.

THE STREETS AREN'T REALLY TO ANY ELEVATION.

THEY, THEY PUT IT IN THE CENTER.

I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS REFERENCED TO FOUR INCHES FROM THE CENTER THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IT'S 24 INCHES ABOVE ON ZONE X.

SO NOW WE'RE SAYING 24 INCHES ABOVE BEFE BASELOAD ELEVATION.

THING CHANGES, IT AUTOMATICALLY CHANGES WITH IT.

SO IT MAKES A STANDARD IF THAT

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GOT CORRECT.

SHOULDN'T, UH, SHOULDN'T IMPACT THAT TYPE OF SITUATION THEN.

AND THEN, UM, CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN THAT ALL THAT RED AND B RESIDENTIAL WITH THE, UM, WE'RE CHANGING IT, I GUESS TO MATCH AGAIN THE VFE INSTEAD OF AND THE INSURANCE MAPS? NO, WE ARE REQUIRING AN AS BILL TO, I MEAN, UH, AND, AND AN ELEVATION CERTIFICATE NOW.

YOU NEED THAT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY POUR YOUR SLAB.

I THINK WE WERE DOING IT AFTER THE, YEAH.

NOW WE WILL REQUIRE THAT ANION CERTIFICATE BE EXTENDED ON THE PROPERTY BEFORE POURING AND THAT, UH, UNIFORM FOR EVERYONE ALSO.

AND THEN THE SITE DRAINAGE IS JUST GO WITH TEXTTO OR BDD.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

THAT'S NOT REALLY A CHANGE.

THEY'RE THE ONES SETTING THE DRAINAGE.

IT'S THEIR JOB.

AND THIS IS JUST, UM, THE CHECKLIST.

SCROLL TO THE CHECKLIST.

THIS WAS SOMETHING THE STATE WANTED DONE AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES SCRAMBLED TO GET IT DONE.

BUT THAT CELL ON THE BACK, WE ALREADY HAD ONE.

WE ALREADY HAD ONE.

AND THERE THE RED IS, UM, CLEANING IT UP, CATEGORIZING AND MAKING IT EVEN EASIER TO READ.

BUT THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS LIKE A GIFT FROM SAL BECAUSE YEAH.

THEY WERE SCRAMBLING.

CITIES WERE SCRAMBLING TO GET THIS DONE AND HE ALREADY HAD IT IN THERE.

CAN WE GO? THOSE ARE THE MAJOR, THOSE ARE THE MAJOR CHANGES.

SHERRY, CAN WE, LET'S GO BACK TO, UM, THE RESIDENTIAL.

UM, I MEAN THE, UM, SLAB ELEVATION CERTIFICATE.

IT DOES COME AT A COST.

UH, SO WE'RE ADDING A COST ITEM.

SO YOU MAY GET SOME, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, SOME RESISTANCE TO IT.

BUT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHERE THE SLAB HAS BEEN SET AT THE WRONG ELEVATION.

BECAUSE WE DO NOT SURVEY SLABS.

UH, SO IT WOULD, UH, AT LEAST, UM, ALLEVIATE THAT POSSIBILITY IN THE FUTURE.

JUST A PROPERTY OWNER'S HELP, YOU KNOW, PRO UH, PROTECTION.

SO, MM-HMM.

I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE SOME PUSHBACK, BUT AT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO IS REQUIRE THAT CERTIFICATE, SO IT'S NOT A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.

ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S IT.

THAT, THAT'S THE MAJOR CHANGES THAT'LL BRING BACK.

SO THIS IS JUST, UH, YOU'RE JUST, UH, MAKING US AWARE THIS, AND YOU'LL BRING IT BACK TO US.

FINAL MM-HMM, .

CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH KIMBERLY HORN FOR GRANT SUBMITTAL PREPARATION FOR LIVABLE CENTER, UH, STUDY, EXCUSE ME, AND TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY GOOD? ALL RIGHT, MOVE ON.

ITEM SEVEN, AUTHORIZED

[7. Authorize the City Manager to execute a contract with Kimley-Horn for grant submital preparation for a Livable Center Study and Transportation Master Plan in an amount not exceeding $30,000. – Modesto Mundo]

ANY AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $30,000.

MODESTO MAYOR COUNCIL, WE WERE, UH, LOOKING AS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

UM, WE HAD BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, KIMLEY HORNE OF JUST LOOKING FOR SCOPE WORK FOR A TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AND WE HAD BEEN SPEAKING WITH THEM SINCE THE SUMMER.

I THINK, UH, THEY HAD HAD DONE, UM, THE CITY OF BERNIE'S TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN, AND THEN THEY HAD RECENTLY WORKED WITH THE CITY OF PARA LAND ON GETTING A GRANT FUNDING FOR THEIR MASTER PLAN THROUGH HGAC.

UM, WE, UH, THE FALL, IN THE FALL, WE STRUCK UP A CONVERSATION, AGAIN, JUST TO RENEW THE CONVERSATION, REALLY TO WORK ON TRYING TO DEVELOP A SCOPE OF WORK AND PUTTING SOMETHING FOR A BUDGET IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY NOTIFIED US OF, UH, TWO POSSIBILITIES, UH, OF GRANTS THAT ARE COMING UP.

THE FIRST ONE WAS CALLED THE, UM, SS FOUR, UH, A GRANT, UH, WHICH IS A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL, AND THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE FUNDING MECHANISM FOR THE TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THEY BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, AGAIN, THE, UM, AND WE WERE AWARE A LITTLE BIT OF THE, UH, HCC LIVABLE CENTERS, UH, STUDY GRANT FOR PLANNING.

AND BASED ON, UM, OUR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD, UM, AT LAST MONDAY STRATEGIC PLAN, AND ALSO LOOKING AT THE PLANTATION CORRIDOR FOR REDEVELOPMENT, THE LIVABLE CENTERS, UH, GRANT ALSO SEEMED AS A VIABLE OPTION, UH, FOR THAT.

HOWEVER, WE'VE, UH, SINCE, SINCE THAT, UH, MEETING, UH, AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN, WE'VE KIND OF, UM, HAVE LOOKED AT TRYING TO OPEN THE SCOPE OF THE, UM, CORRIDOR STUDY

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OR THE LIVABLE CENTER TO ALSO INCLUDE DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CALL OUR TYPICAL COMMERCIAL AREA, THE MALL AREA THERE, AND EXTENDING, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CONNECT THAT HIGHWAY AND, AND INCLUDE PLANTATION, SO IT'S NOT JUST A STUDY OF PLANT OF PLANTATION.

SO THOSE WERE THE TWO POSSIBILITIES FOR GRANT FUNDING.

UM, THEY DID GIVE US THE, THE, THEIR SCOPE OF WORK, UM, FOR THAT.

UM, BOTH OF THOSE STUDIES ARE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE AROUND 350,000 A PIECE IF, UM, SO IF WE WERE PREPARING FOR A GRANT, UH, BOTH ARE A 80 20 MATCH, WE WOULD LOOK IN THE FUTURE AS A $70,000 MATCH FOR EACH ONE IN ADDITION TO THE $30,000 FOR HELPING US, UH, SUBMIT FOR EACH GRANT.

IF, UH, COUNSEL WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, PURSUING BOTH OR, OR JUST ONE, GO BACK TO THE MAP AGAIN, JUST FOR, SO AGAIN, THE, THIS GOLDEN AREA, WHICH IS GREEN, I MEAN YELLOW ON YOUR SCREEN, THIS AREAS ARE ALL THE STUFF THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IN THESE TWO TYPE OF GRANTS.

AND, UH, SO THIS IS PLANTATION AND THIS STARTS AT THE SHOPPING CENTER AT DIXIE DRIVE AND PLANTATION, INCLUDING THAT INTO THE STUDY.

AND THEN BRINGING ALL, ALL, ALL THE PLANTATION AND CONNECTING UP TO, AGAIN, THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND ALL THIS AREA AROUND HERE.

UH, THE ONE THING THAT'S NICE ABOUT THIS IS, IS THAT IT'S THE CONNECTIVITY.

AND IT'S A GOOD THING FOR THE GRANTS THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER, IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO CONNECT BASICALLY FROM ONE END OF THE CITY, A CORRIDOR THAT, UH, ALLOWS FOR COMMERCE AND FOR DEVELOPMENT AND FOR TRANSPORTATION AND WALKABILITY AND ALL THOSE THINGS BETWEEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT AREAS FROM ONE SIDE OF TOWN TO THE OTHER.

SO IN THEORY, IF WE GOT THE GRANTS AND WE HAD A MODEL, A, A, A PLAN THAT THEY CAME UP WITH AND WE APPROVED, UH, IN THE FUTURE IS THAT SOMEBODY LIVING DOWN IN THIS AREA HERE COULD GET ON A BIKE VERY EASILY AND GO ON A TRAIL AND GET TO DOWNTOWN AND SO FORTH.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

BUT SAME THING GOES INTO THESE AREAS.

HERE AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MASTER PLAN THAT NONE OF US SITTING ON THIS COUNCIL TODAY WILL PROBABLY EVER SEE IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE IT, IT'S TAKE A LONG TIME FOR IT TO IMPLEMENT JUST LIKE THE DOWNTOWN AREA WAS.

BUT IT PUTS A PLAN OUT THERE SO THAT PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE CAN SAY, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE, WE WANNA SEE HAPPEN AND WE CAN, UH, PLAN FOR THOSE THINGS AS MORE GRANTS COME AVAILABLE TO MAKE THESE THINGS HAPPEN.

UM, I WOULDN'T SAY EVERYBODY, SAL MAY.

YEAH, SAL MAY.

BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS AT LEAST A 25 YEAR PLAN, IF NOT MORE THAT WILL COME BACK.

BUT IT WILL GIVE US DIRECTION AND IT'LL GIVE COUNT FUTURE COUNCILS AND THE COMMUNITY AN IDEA OF WHERE WE CAN GROW AND HOW WE CAN GROW AND HOW WE CAN MAKE CHANGES.

I MEAN, THIS IS GOING, THIS STARTS, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS STARTS GETTING INTO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AT, AT STRATEGIC PLAN ALSO WAS, UH, REVITALIZING, UH, THE OLDER SECTIONS OF THE CITY, EVEN THE OLD RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AND SO THAT ALL PLAYS INTO THESE PROPERTIES ALONG, UH, 3 32 AND TWO EIGHT, UH, AND STUFF.

BUT WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS THERE, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, IT'S, YES, IT'S DOLLARS BEING SPENT ON A PLAN, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER PLANS THAT WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED IS IT WILL ENABLE US TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN WORK TOWARD.

AND, UH, AND AGAIN, YOU CAN DEVIATE IT AS, AS THINGS CHANGE, BUT AT LEAST IT'S A, A ROADMAP OF WHERE WE THINK WE WANT TO GO OR WE'RE HOPING WE CAN GO.

SO, UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING, YOU KNOW, TO PURSUE THIS IF COUNCIL IS INTERESTED IN THESE STU YOU KNOW, IN, YOU KNOW, THESE STUDIES.

BECAUSE I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE HARD TO GET THESE IN THE BUDGET SEQUENCE AT FULL PRICE.

THAT IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, DRIVES THE COST.

I'M GLAD TO SEE US PURSUING GRANTS, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, UH, ANYWAY, IT'S, AND, AND, AND THE GRANTS ARE ALSO GOING, I MEAN, THE GRANT PERIOD, OR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WORK THAT'S GONNA BE DONE IS ALSO GONNA INVOLVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR CITIZEN INPUT.

AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, TALKED TO, UH, KIMBERLY HORN ABOUT THAT TO BE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECTS AND STUFF.

SO IS THAT CORRECT, VANESSA? YEAH.

AND USUALLY THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, THE COST, THESE PROJECTS ARE SO HIGH BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, THERE'S SO MUCH PUBLIC COMPONENT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, GETTING FEEDBACK SURVEYS AND STUFF, AND THOSE USUALLY TAKE A, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT FROM THE CONSULTANT.

SO THAT'S,

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BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT, UH, FOR ANYBODY, FOR EVERYBODY TO, TO GET ON BOARD TO HAVE, UM, A COMMON VISION.

AND AT THIS POINT, UH, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, WE WOULD, UM, PARK THIS, UH, UH, TO CREATE ACCOUNT IN, UM, NON-DEPARTMENTAL, AND WE WOULD FUND THE 30,000 JUST WITH RIGHT NOW, ANTICIPATED SAVINGS OUT OF THE BUDGET FROM, FROM TURNOVER.

SO WE JUST WATCH THE BUDGET.

IF, IF WE COULDN'T REALIZE THAT, THEN WE'D COME BACK AND ASK FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT OUT OF, UH, THE CIP.

BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW, BASED ON THE SAVINGS WE SEE, WE WOULD JUST, UM, UH, BUDGET FOR THAT EXPENDITURE IN OH 900.

SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA, CURRENTLY, THE PLAN IS NOT COME BACK TO WITH US WITH A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT.

AND AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING JUST $30,000 CURRENTLY, IS THAT RIGHT? YES.

AND THEN, UH, IF WE SUBMITTED AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET A GRANT, COUNSEL ALWAYS HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YAY OR NAY, RIGHT? UH, ON, ON THE GRANT AND THE MATCHING, JERRY? YEAH.

WE'RE NOT COMMITTING ANY, ANY FUTURE, UH, DECISION? NO, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE YOU THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

AND EVEN IF WE GO AND WE LOOK AT IT, UH, IN A, I GUESS WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THIS YEAR WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET ANY OF THESE, OR WE MAY, UH, WE, WE STILL HAVE THE OPTION OF GOING FORWARD WITH 'EM OR NOT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? I'LL TAKE MOTION.

NINE SEVEN, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE TO CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A CONTRACT WITH KIMBERLY HORN TO GRANT SUBMITTAL PREPARATION FOR A LIVABLE CENTRAL STUDY AND TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN IN AN AMOUNT NOT EXCEED 30,000 BUCKS.

WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN HANYA.

I'LL SECOND, I SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN BROADUS.

RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 9 48, ADOPTING THE MISSOURI COUNTY HAZARDOUS MITIGATION PLAN.

MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING

[8. Discuss and consider approving Resolution No. 24-948 adopting the Brazoria County Hazard Mitigation Plan 2023. – Riazul Mia/Bryan Sidebotom]

2023.

YES, MR. MAYOR, UM, AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE PART OF THE BRA COUNTY HAZARD ATION PLAN, AND THE LAST PLAN WAS APPROVED 18, WHICH USUALLY FIVE YEARS.

SO THE COUNTY SUBMITTED THE, THE NEW PLAN BECAUSE EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE PLAN.

UM, AND THAT WAS WHEN, UH, WHEN WE, WHAT WE DID WITH THE NEW AMENDED PLAN, WE ADDED SOME OF THE DRAINAGE PROJECT BECAUSE, SO THAT IF IT'S APPROVING THE PLAN, YOU GET QUALIFIED FOR THE GRANTS OR THE LOAN FUNDING.

AND SO WE, WE DID, UH, WE DID SUBMIT A THREE ADDITIONAL PROJECTS, WHICH I GIVE YOU A COPY OF IT, WHICH IS ONE OF THEM IS EAST SIDE DRAINAGE, ABOUT $15 MILLION.

UH, WE ALSO ADDED A, UH, THE STANDBY GENERATOR, WHICH IS THERE IS A GRANT PENDING ANY GRANT FROM FEMA.

THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE A HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN APPROVED.

AND SO WE, WE SUBMITTING THESE GRANTS APPLICATION SAYING THAT WE WILL HAVE, WITHIN 12 MONTHS THIS THING APPROVED.

FEMA FINALLY TECHNICALLY APPROVED THE PLAN, BUT NOW, NOW THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO ADOPT SINCE PRAIA COUNTY HAS ALMOST 30 DIFFERENT CITIES AND ENTITIES.

SO EVERY ENTITY HAS TO ADOPT THIS PLAN.

AND SO WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU FOR ADOPTION.

UH, SO ONCE ALL THE COMMUNITY CAN GO, THE COUNTY WILL HAVE THE FORMAL NEW HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN.

AND IF I ACTION NUMBER D NINE.

THIS IS THE ONE MOSS CHESTNUT, UH, WE SUBMITTED, WE CAME BEFORE YOU, WE SUBMITTED THE FEMA GRANT ABOUT $8.2 MILLION.

UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE BOND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT.

SO WE HOPEFULLY ALRIGHT.

WITH THIS, HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THE GRANT SO WE CAN FINISH THE PROJECT.

AND SO I'M ASKING YOUR APPROVAL.

SO THIS IS TO GET THIS STATEMENT AHEAD, IS, SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT THESE PROJECTS INTO THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN? YES, SIR.

AND THEY NEED TO BE FOR FUTURE GRANTS.

IF YOU WANT MONEY FOR A, LIKE, FOR ONE OF THESE PROJECTS, IT HAS TO BE IN THIS PLAN.

IF IT'S NOT YOU, CHANCES ARE PRETTY SLIM.

WHY IS IT NOT IN YOUR HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN? OKAY.

FEMA AND TDM ARE, IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR FUNDS, THEY'RE LIKE, WELL THEN WHY, IF THIS IS SO IMPORTANT, WHY IS IT,

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IF YOU LOOK AT A D FIVE, THE, THE, THE RESOLUTION YOU APPROVED FOR, UH, RIGHT.

FOR THE BWA RESERVE $750 MILLION IS ALREADY HERE.

SO THAT, THAT WAS PUT IN THE LAST BANK.

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE GETTING THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THE LOAN.

SO THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO APPROVE.

FINE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION.

PLEASE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 2 4 9 4 8 ADOPTING THE BRA COUNTY HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN 2023 SECOND.

BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HANYA.

APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL, UH, AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AND VELASCO DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO PROVIDE PIPE MATERIAL TO VDD TO EXCHANGE IN EXCHANGE FOR EQUIPMENT, TOOLS AND LABOR FOR REPAIR TO THE SLEEPY HOLLOW OUTLAW OUTFALL PIPING.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOVE TO ITEM EIGHT.

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVING, UH OH, SORRY.

ITEM NINE,

[9. Approve an Interlocal Agreement between the City of Lake Jackson and Velasco Drainage District (VDD) to provide pipe material to VDD in exchange for equipment, tools, and labor for repair of the Sleepy Hollow Outfall Pipe – Sal Aguirre]

SO, OKAY.

THIS IS, UH, ONE OF OUR, ONE OF OUR OUTFALLS TO A GATE MAINTAINED BY, UH, VDD.

UH, OUR PEOPLE DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS A, UH, FAILURE IN, UH, ONE OF THE, UH, LEADS GOING TO ONE OF THE GATES THERE, THERE ARE TWO GATES IN THE SLEEPY HOLLOW AREA.

AND, UH, SO WE WENT OUT THERE WITH VDD, UH, ASSESSED THE, UH, THE PROBLEM THERE.

UH, THEY, UH, WE, UH, AGREED THAT WE NEEDED AN INTERLOCAL THERE ON SITE.

AND, UH, THEY DECIDED TO, TO DO THAT FOR US.

AND THEY WENT BACK IN THERE, SAW, UH, DID THEIR OWN MORE INSPECTION ON THAT THING, THEN CAME BACK WITH WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO DO.

AND THAT WAS A, UH, REPAIR FOR THAT, UH, THAT SAME, UH, 60 INCH PIPE.

IT'S A METAL PIPE THAT GOES THERE GOING IN AND TYING INTO THE ACTUAL WET WELL, UH, THE, UH, OF THE, UH, OF THAT PARTICULAR GATE.

SO, UH, THEY CAME BACK WITH A 4,700, I BELIEVE IT WAS 4,700, UH, LINEAR, I MEAN DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO, UH, TO BUY A PIPE.

BUT THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD RATHER US BUY, PURCHASE A PIPE DIRECTLY FROM THE CONTRACTOR.

FROM THE SUPPLIER, AND THAT THEY WOULD THEN PICK UP THAT, UH, THAT PIPE, TRANSPORT IT TO THEIR PLACE, AND, UH, INSTALL THAT WITH THEIR EQUIPMENT AND WITH THEIR LABOR.

AND AGAIN, IF WE DON'T MAKE THE REPAIRS, UH, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, TIME OF THE YEAR, WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT, RIGHT? NO.

'CAUSE IT'S HURRICANE PROTECTION FOR THAT AREA.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SOLE ON THIS? WE'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NINE.

UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE IN THE LOCK AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY LAKE JACKSON AND VELA DRAINAGE DISTRICT TO PROVIDE PIPE MATERIAL IN EXCHANGE FOR EQUIPMENT, TOOLS AND LABOR FOR REPAIRING OF THE SLEEPY HOLLOW OUTFALL PIPE.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILMAN BAKER.

BUT COUNCILWOMAN SAID, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AND THE TAX TRADE ARE NOT ON THE SAME NIGHT AS THE, UM, PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

ITEM, UH,

[10. Review the proposed budget calendar. – Modesto Mundo]

10.

WE GOT, UH, REVIEW THE BUDGET CYCLE.

BUDGET CALENDAR.

WE'VE HAD REALLY NO CHANGES, UH, SINCE THE LAST MEETING.

WE'VE, UH, JUST SOLIDIFIED, UH, A COUPLE OF, UM, DATES FOR THE LIBRARY BOARD AND, UM, LJDC FOR THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER ONE AND TWO, AND THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM AND HOT COMMITTEES.

SO THOSE DATES NOW ARE SET ON THE CALENDAR.

AGAIN, THE BIGGEST CHANGE WOULD BE, UM, MOVING, UM, MY SUBMITTAL OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FROM JULY 1ST TO JULY 15TH, AND THEN MOVING THE WORKSHOP FROM JULY TO AUGUST 3RD.

AND THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SATURDAY WORKSHOP ON AUGUST THE THIRD.

AND THEN YOU'D HAVE YOUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT MONDAY, UH, FOR THE BUDGET, IF WE MOVE EVERYTHING BACK TWO WEEKS.

AND THEN WE WOULD ASK COUNCIL TO HAVE THEIR FIRST, YOU KNOW, REALLY READING TO ADOPT, UH, THE BUDGET ON THE 19TH THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THE, THE SEPARATE, UH, NIGHT NO MATTER WHAT.

IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES, UM, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION STILL WOULD BE THAT THE

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AND AGAIN, AGAIN, OVER TIME, THE REASON WHY WE GOT THERE WAS BECAUSE WE RARELY HAD PEOPLE SHOWING UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND REALLY ON THE SHIFT, UH, TWO WEEKS DOESN'T REALLY GIVE US MORE TIME TO REALLY CHANGE THE BUDGET.

IT'S MORE OF A, JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER NUMBER FROM, UM, THE APPRAISAL, UH, DISTRICT, UH, A FIRMER NUMBER.

SO AT LEAST WHEN WE'RE WALKING INTO THE WORKSHOP, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HIT A MOVING TARGET.

I CAN TELL YOU, AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE, OF, OF ANY RECOMMENDATION IS ON THE, THE TAX RATE.

THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS IF WE ADOPT OR AGREE WITH THIS, UH, IS RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD HAVE US APPROVING ON THE 19TH, LIKE YOU SAID, IF AT THAT POINT COUNCIL DECIDED WE DON'T WANNA APPROVE THIS BUDGET, WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'D HAVE TO START THAT WHOLE CYCLE AGAIN, A PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THAT CORRECT? UM, NO.

YOUR PUBLIC HEARING STILL, UH, COUNTS.

UM, DO YOU HAVE TO DO, DO YOU HAVE TO WHAT? WE WENT OVER AND MADE A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE BUDGET ON THE 19TH AFTER WE ALREADY HAD THE WORKSHOP.

OH, YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE CHANGES AFTER THE WORKSHOP AND EVEN AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU'RE JUST, IT'S IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY TO, UM, HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY IN IT'S, IT'S NOT WRITTEN IN STONE.

SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO, IF WE HAD TO GO MAKE A CHANGE TO THE B BUDGET AFTER THE 19TH BEFORE WE APPROVE IT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO A A, A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

AND I THINK THERE'S NO TIME CRUNCH, SO WE DON'T GET INTO A SITUATION.

WE'RE NOT HAVING AN APPROVED BUDGET BY THE 20 BY OCTOBER.

NO, I THINK YOU COULD STILL ADOPT THE, UH, BUDGET ON SEPTEMBER 3RD.

BUT IF THIS CREATES, UM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT MORE TIME, UH, TO, TO REVIEW THE BUDGET AND JUST OUR NUMBERS NOT BE FIRM, WE CAN GO BACK TO, UH, NO, IT'S JUST, I JUST WANNA BE SURE WE WEREN'T SQUINCHING UP THE TIME IN THE, IN THE BACK END TO GIVE US SOME TIME IN THE FRONT END.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS WE CAN STILL DO OUR BUSINESS EVEN IF WE HAVE TO GO TO A NEXT COUNCIL MEETING YEAH.

PAST THE 19TH ON THE THIRD TO APPROVE.

THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.

NO, I DON'T, I I DON'T ANTICIPATE A PROBLEM.

WE CHECK THE CALENDAR AND, UH, BUT WE'LL DOUBLE CHECK IT ONE MORE TIME.

WE'RE USUALLY VERY, WE'RE WE'RE USUALLY TWO, TWO TO THREE WEEKS EARLIER THAN RIGHT.

MOST, MOST EVERYBODY ELSE.

I AGREE.

ONE THING IS I WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO, I MEAN, I KNOW EVERYTHING'S PUBLIC, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO, IF POSSIBLE, PUT THIS ON OUR WEBSITE OR SOMETHING.

JUST TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF, HEY, HERE'S YOUR BUDGET PROCESS, HERE'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO STEP IN, HAVE AN OPINION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? UH, LET'S SEE.

SO WE'RE JUST REVIEWING THIS.

THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. SO IF THERE'S ON THIS, THERE'S NO CHANGES, THEN WE'LL BEGIN POSTING.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 10, UH, PROPOSED BY, UH, NO.

NUMBER 11.

GOSH.

[11. New business update. – David Walton]

NEW BUSINESS UPDATES.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, NICE TO SEE YOU.

UM, THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE ON THERE.

WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME PROJECTS TO GET A KICKSTART, AND WE'RE WAITING FOR OTHER PROJECTS TO, UH, FINISH.

UH, WE HAVE SEEN CONTINUED WORK OUT THERE AT THE VILLAS, SO THEY ARE MAKING PROGRESS AND IT'S SLOW BUT STEADY.

AND THAT'S, UH, SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER THAN ANOTHER PROJECT THAT THAT STARTED, WHICH WAS HARMONY PARK OVER IN GARLAND.

UM, THAT ONE SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO A HALT, UH, AS THEY WORK ON DRAINAGE, BUT I, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING INTO MONEY ISSUES.

ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS ON THE LIST? CAVENDERS, IS IT COMING? NOT COMING.

CAVENDERS IS IS COMING ACCORDING TO THE MALL.

I I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY OF THAT.

UH, I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE STILL IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH, WITH, UH, CONTRACTS AND CONTRACTORS AND THE DOW BUILD OUT IS INSIDE THEIR BUILDING.

IT'S NOT NEW BUILDING, IT'S JUST THAT IS CORRECT.

THEY ARE, UH, UTILIZING SOME SPACE AND, AND BUILDING SOME LABS.

LABS USUALLY GENERATE MONEY OR SO I'VE BEEN TOLD.

SO YOU'VE BEEN TOLD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? REMODELING THAT? WALMART'S GOING PRETTY GOOD.

ABOUT THE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY, UH, EMPLOYEES TO SELF CHECK.

YEAH, IT'S TERRIBLE.

CAN'T FIND ANYTHING.

I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT PART.

I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING IN THERE.

I WAS GONNA GET TO THAT PART BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING

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WELL, IT'S ALL SELF-CHECKOUT NOW.

MOVE ON TO, UH, STAFF UPDATES.

WHICH IN ALL HONESTY, I, I PREFER SELF-CHECKOUT.

I KNOW THAT, THAT SOME MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL DON'T FEEL THE SAME AS ME, BUT I LIKE TO BE THE MASTER OF MY OWN TIME.

AND, UM, SO IT IS, THEY, THEY THEY'RE EXPANDING, YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CONTACTLESS UH, UH, CHECKOUT OPTIONS.

UM, THE CURBSIDE EXPANSION, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, AND THEN IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE AND NOW WAS BACK ON THE TABLE AGAIN.

SO WE, UH, STAFF DID MEET WITH THE CONTRACTORS TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT, SORRY, WITH THE, UM, DESIGN TEAM AND CONTRACTORS TO DISCUSS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE NOW THAT THEY HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PARKING LOT, UH, IMPROVEMENTS THAT, THAT GO ALONG WITH THE CURBSIDE EXPANSION.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE STILL WORKING WITH THEM.

UM, WE, WHAT YOU SHOULD EXPERIENCE AT THE VERY END IS, IS AN INCREASED, UH, SHOPPING, UM, EXPERIENCE.

SO DAVID, THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THE CURBSIDE EXPANSION YES.

WHILE THEY HAVE THIS CONTRACTOR YES.

[12. Staff updates]

UH, CITY MANAGER, UH, CUSTOMER SERVICE FEE, CONVENIENCE FEE.

I GAVE A A LITTLE BIT OF A BRIEF EXPLANATION, BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D HAVE JAMES, UH, COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE, UH, FEE.

UM, WE'VE THE, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN, WHAT MONTH ARE WE, ARE WE 18 MONTHS INTO 18 MONTHS? PROBABLY 18 MONTHS INTO, SO WE'RE CLOSE.

AND WE'RE AT THE, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR BILLING CYCLES.

UH, NOTICES HAVE ALL GONE OUT FOR ALL FOUR CYCLES.

AND JAMES HAS KIND OF A, A BULLET POINT JUST TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH ON THIS LAST STAGE.

DRAFT PAYMENTS ARE HAVING TROUBLE RESETTING THE SYS THEIR CONNECTIONS BACK UP.

SO, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.

SO, YES, AS I, I'VE GOT A FEW BULLET POINTS FOR YOU.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LAST YEAR WE HAD, UM, EXPENDITURES OF $175,000 IN, UM, PROCESSING FEES FOR CREDIT CARDS, WHICH PROMPTED THE CITY TO LOOK AT PASSING THAT FEEDBACK TO THE CUSTOMERS.

OUR SOFTWARE PROVIDERS, N LINE AND THE USER THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR WAS A MS CORE, BUT THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO CONVERT THEIR SOFTWARE OVER TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE PAYMENTS.

SO WE HAD TO SWITCH TO PIA, WHICH IS A PRODUCT.

UM, THEY HAVE A, THEY HAVE AN ALLIANCE WITH VALION, WHICH MADE THEIR PRODUCT WORKABLE FOR US.

WE, AS OF FEBRUARY 1ST WHEN WE CONVERTED, WE HAD 9,429 METERED ACCOUNTS.

WE HAD 1,710 ACCOUNTS THAT WERE TIED TO CREDIT CARD, AUTO, AUTO DRAFT PAYMENTS.

WE HAD 487 ACCOUNTS THAT WERE TIED TO, UM, BANK AND CREDIT CARD, OR, I'M SORRY, BANK AND CREDIT UNION BILL PAY SYSTEMS. SO, AND AGAIN, AS, AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WE DO A, A BILLING CYCLE EACH WEEK.

SO THERE'S FOUR CYCLES IN A MONTH.

UM, WHEN THIS PROCESS STARTED, WE SENT OUT NOTICES, UH, AN EMAIL TO ALL 1700, UM, CREDIT CARD ACCOUNT HOLDERS THAT WERE GONNA BE AFFECTED, THAT WE HAD AS RESPONSIVE ABOUT 500 TO THOSE INITIAL EMAILS.

LET'S SEE.

UM, THEN AFTER THAT, WHEN THOSE CUSTOMERS, UM, BECAME PAYMENT WAS DUE, A LATE NOTICE WAS MAILED OUT.

SO IN ADDITION, WE NORMALLY ON A WEEKLY BASIS, PROCESSED 300 LATE PAYMENTS EACH WEEK.

THEN ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE CREDIT CARDS ISSUE, IT WAS AN A DE SHOWN 300.

SO WE WERE SENDING OUT 600 LATE NOTICES WITHIN THE LAST, UH, SAY WEEK FOR THE LAST FOUR WEEKS, UM, AFTER NOTICE.

AND THAT PRETTY MUCH PROMPTED EVERYBODY TO COME IN AND, OR AT LEAST CALL OR, UM, SET UP NEW S OR NEW ACCOUNTS WITH US.

UM, I WOULD SAY WE'VE HAD 500 CUSTOMERS THAT SWITCHED TO BANK DRAFT NOW RATHER THAN CREDIT CARD PAYMENTS.

AND I WOULD SAY I, I'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE COMPLAINT FROM OUR PIO LAURA, UH, LAURA MARIE, WITH REGARDS TO A ONLINE COMMENT.

AND, UM, I TOOK ONE CALL FROM AN ELDERLY LADY THAT WAS UPSET ABOUT THE 3% FEE.

OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S BEEN A MINIMAL WITH REGARDS TO, UH, COMPLAINTS THAT I'VE RECEIVED.

AND AS FAR AS WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW, THERE'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, NO CONVERSION GOES A HUNDRED PERCENT SMOOTHLY.

THERE'S BEEN TWO SLIGHT SITUATIONS.

ONE IS SOME OF THE CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE HAD CREDIT CARD AUTO

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AND SO TODAY I CALLED, UH, NAVI TO FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUE WAS WITH THAT.

AND SO IT TURNS OUT THAT WHEN NAVAL DISCONNECTED A MS CORE, THERE WAS A INTERFACE SOFTWARE PIECE THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF.

SO THAT INTERFACE SOFTWARE IS PREVENTING THOSE CUSTOMERS FROM ME BEING ABLE TO PUT THEIR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION IN SO THAT PIA COULD PROCESS THOSE PAYMENTS.

SO I'VE BEEN ASSURED THAT THAT'LL BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THE MORNING AND THEY'LL FIX THAT.

AND THE OTHER, OTHER SITUATION THAT WE'VE HAD IS THAT SOME BANKS AND CREDIT UNIONS, WHEN THEY USE A THIRD PARTY BILL PAY PROCESSOR, THOSE BILL PAYERS USE THAT CREDIT CARD.

SO WHEN THEY TRY TO MAKE A PAYMENT, THOSE PAYMENTS ARE REJECTING BECAUSE THE CREDIT CARD'S LOOKING FOR 3% AND WELL, THEY DIDN'T COLLECT THE 3%.

SO THOSE PAYMENTS ARE GOING BACK TO THE BANK.

AND SO IN SOME CASES, THE BANK'S SENDING US A FILE AND WE'RE MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS.

IN OTHER CASES, THE CUSTOMER'S GETTING A LATE NOTE OR A PAYMENT SAYING THAT THEIR PAYMENT WAS REJECTED AND THEY'RE CONTACTING THE CITY AND ASKING FOR A DIFFERENT METHOD OF PAYMENT.

CAN YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY, UH, ON WHAT IS THE SAVINGS ON IF YOU GO TO AUTOPAY TO THE CUSTOMER, UH, THE 3% FEE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED DOLLARS WATER BILL, THAT $3, IF YOU GO, IF YOU GO TO DRAFT, AUTO DRAFT, BANK DRAFT INSTEAD THERE'S FEES OF USE.

AUTOPAY.

AUTOPAY IS, YOU HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO AUTOPAY.

SO IT'S CREDIT CARD OR AUTO DRAFT, UH, FROM YOUR BANK ACCOUNT.

IF YOUR, IF YOUR TRANSACTION GOES THROUGH PAIA, THEN THERE'S AN INTERFACE CHANGE AND THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A FEE.

THE, UH, ONE QUESTION I'VE GOTTEN FROM SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT CONTACTED ME IS, UH, THEY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE DO LIKE, UH, THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY HAS ECHECK SYSTEM, WHICH DOESN'T COST AND DOESN'T GO THROUGH.

AND SO, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A, IF IF YOU'D RUN INTO THE SAME PROBLEM WITH SOME OF THE BANKS AND CREDIT UNIONS YOU HAVE NOW THAT DON'T WANT TO PAY TO 3%.

WELL, IF YOU DO ECHECK, BECAUSE THE, AND, AND WE WEREN'T HAVING A SITUATION UNTIL SOME OF THE BANKS SWITCHED OVER TO THE OTHER, THERE'S A NEW THIRD PARTY PROVIDER THAT THEY'RE USING.

AND THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEM.

AND THE PAST, THEY WOULD JUST, THERE'S COMPANIES LIKE CHECK, RIGHT? AND THERE'S ONE CALLED MARS AND THEY SEND US THE FILE.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THAT IS THE FILE GETS SENT TO US.

AND SO THE LADIES UP FRONT HAVE TO MANUALLY PROCESS THOSE PAYMENTS IN, AND THEN THEY'RE USING OUR ACCOUNT WITH THE BANK TO MAKE IT.

SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO FEE INVOLVED.

SO WE'VE GOT A WORKAROUND WHICH RIGHT.

REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT MORE.

DOES IT, IT'S REQUIRING MORE WORK FROM THE FRONT RATHER THAN THEM PUTTING THEIR AND KEYING THAT IN WORKING IT IN.

SO THERE'S A LABOR ON OUR PART.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS, I GO CATCH ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

SO IF I GO ON MY ACCOUNT, MY, MY BANK AND I GO INTO THE BILL PAY.

, AND I DO BILL PAY TO CITY OF LAKE JACKSON FOR A WATER BILL.

IF THERE WAS A, IF THEY DID A DEBIT CARD, IT WAS GETTING CANCELED, IT WASN'T BEING SET BECAUSE THE 3% WASN'T IN THERE.

SO THE SOLUTION THAT'S COMING IN PLAY IS I AS A CITIZEN CAN STILL GO TO MY BANK ONLINE, PAY THAT BILL THROUGH BILL PAY, AND THEN Y'ALL GET A FILE DUMP, YOUR FRONT OFFICE GETS A FILE DUMP FROM THE BANK.

AND SO Y'ALL ARE PROCESSING IT THROUGH A WORKAROUND, RIGHT.

USING THE CITY'S ACCOUNT.

RIGHT? YES SIR.

SO ARE WE, WHEN WE USE THE CITY ACCOUNT, ARE WE GETTING CHARGED? NO.

NO, BECAUSE KEEP COMPENSATING BALANCES.

SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD ARRANGEMENT WITH THE BANK HERE IN TOWN.

BUT NOT EVERY BANK DOES THAT.

NOT EVERY BANK HAS A THIRD PARTY SUPPLIER'S TRYING TO THIRD PARTY THAT THEY'RE GONNA USE PAY IT WITH A CREDIT CARD.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM.

WE JUST HAVE A FEW.

BUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM ONE OF THE LARGEST, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS IS THAT THAT THIRD PARTY PARTY PROVIDER IS PROBABLY, ONCE IT GETS REJECTED, THEY'LL EVENTUALLY THEY'RE MOVING OVER AND TRYING TO PROCESS IT.

AACH H RIGHT? RIGHT.

WOW.

WISE, THEIR INITIAL GOAL IS THEY GET POINTS OFF USING A CREDIT CARD.

SO THEY'RE GETTING POINTS AND REWARDS.

THAT'S WHY THEY WANT A CREDIT CARD.

AND SO THEY CAN'T FIND, THEY'RE FINDING OUT THEY CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

SO, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA LOSE THE BUSINESS WITH THE BANK, SO NOW THEY'RE SENDING AFTS.

SO IT'S JUST BEEN A KIND OF A PROCESS.

SO, UH, I HAD A, A QUESTION ASKED, UH, OF MAY, MAYBE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK THAT, BUT I'LL ASK ANYWAY.

UH, WHY IS THE BILLING CYCLE ALWAYS CHANGING LIKE THIS? SOME GROUP WAS SAYING THAT THE FEBRUARY BILL, THEY USUALLY GET IT IN THE BI EARLIER IN THE MONTH.

THEY DIDN'T GET IT TILL REALLY LATE IN THE MONTH.

SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I I DON'T KNOW THAT, THAT I'M, I HAVEN'T HAD THAT.

YEAH, WE DON'T HAVE A CONVERSATION.

I HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS EACH TUESDAY WE SEND THE CYCLE OUT AND IT'S THE SAME AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS EACH WEEK.

SO I, I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT.

ARE THE DAYS OF THE MONTH CHANGE, BUT RIGHT.

BUT THE CYCLES CHANGE.

I MEAN, UH, WELL

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AND SO THERE ARE SOME CYCLES THAT ARE LONGER, THAT MAY BE SEVEN DAYS LONGER.

THERE MONTH MIGHT HAVE LIKE AN EXTRA TUESDAY IN IT AND THERE'S NO BILLING UP.

SO THEN IT STARTS OVER.

SO THAT COULD BE WHEN YOU HAVE A FIVE WEEK MONTH.

THAT COULD BE, THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT FIFTH WEEK IS WHEN THE GUYS ACTUALLY GO IN AND MAKE THE METER CHANGES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEIR VOICE GOT SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.

MAYBE THAT'S WHERE THE REASON.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WELL, BUT WE CAN, I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL WRITE DOWN TO LOOK INTO IT FOR YOU TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.

I GOT A PINK SLIP , IT WAS BECAUSE I DIDN'T BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ MY EMAIL.

SO, UH, ANYWAY, I GOT IT CORRECTED, BUT, UH, ANYWAY.

AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS A, A BETTER WAY TO DO IT AFTER THE, THE FIRST WEEK, BUT, UM, THE PINK SLIPS IS WHAT GOT EVERYBODY TO COME IN TO MAKE THE NOTICE.

IT DID, IT DID GET EVERYBODY TO CALL IN.

SO, I MEAN, IT WASN'T A, SOME PEOPLE CALLED IN, IT WAS A DISCONNECT.

IT WASN'T A DIS IT WAS JUST A LATE NOTICE.

AND YOU HAD PEOPLE AND WE'RE NOT CHARGING LATE.

WE DIDN'T CHARGE ANYBODY.

AND NOBODY'S BEEN DISCONNECTED WITH REGARDS TO THIS.

AND IF EVERYBODY, IF SOMEBODY THINKS THEY WERE CHARGED A LATE FEE, THEN THEY SHOULD CALL YOUR OFFICE.

IT'S BEEN LATE, THEN THEY SHOULD CALL, CALL THE BILLING.

AND WE, WE'VE SPENT ALL WEEK, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS HAD THEIR FEES WAIVED.

IF IT WAS IN RELATION TO THE CREDIT CARDS.

WELL APPRECIATE, UH, YES SIR, THE CONVERSATION.

UM, OKAY.

ANY ACTION ITEMS WE'VE GOT DOWN.

UM, THE FIRST ONE AS WE, UM, WILL WORK, UH, WILL MENTION IT, UH, TOMORROW NIGHT, UH, WHEN THE SITE PLAN GOES THROUGH.

BUT, AND GET BACK WITH TDCU ON THE CROSS-EX AGREEMENT FOR THE VACANT LOT, UM, THE TDCU.

AND THEN, UM, I WILL REACH OUT, UH, AND SEND A LETTER TO UH, BSD, UH, REGARDING OUR, UM, PROPOSED CHANGE ON CHUA.

UH, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS, BUT WE'LL ALSO START, UH, WORKING ON THE UTILITY LINE RELOCATE.

SO WE'LL HAVE THAT READY AND, UH, TO GET UP AND UP AND RUNNING.

UM, BY THE TIME, UM, COUNCIL APPROVES THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEY WILL ALSO START POSTING THE CALENDAR, A BUDGET CALENDAR ON THE WEBSITE FOR CITIZENS TO SEE.

CONSTRUCTION UPDATES AND STUFF.

ANYBODY ELSE REMEMBER SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE SAID WE'RE GONNA DO THAT THAT STILL DIDN'T MENTION? ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH,

[13. Construction/Development Updates]

WE'VE GOT SAL.

YES SIR.

YOU GOT ANY BIG ITEMS HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING ALL THE, UH, PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE LISTED? ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROJECTS IN PARTICULAR? GRASS LOOKS GOOD AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT NEEDS MOWING DOWNTOWN.

UH, YEAH, THE GRASS HAS NOT ALL BEEN PUT, UH, PUT DOWN THERE.

THERE'S STILL MILLION.

YOU HAVE SOME LEFT? YES.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE, UM,

[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

ITEMS OF, UH, COMMUNITY INTEREST.

UH, WE'LL START WITH, UH, MATT.

NOTHING I CAN THINK OF.

JB UH, EARLY VOTING OVER, UH, REGULAR VOTING.

START VOTE TOMORROW FROM 7:00 AM TO 7:00 AM SO GO OUT AND VOTE.

GO VOTE.

THANK YOU JV.

AND BRAZORIA COUNTY IS STILL A COUNTY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO VOTE AT ANY LOCATION.

SOME OF THE COUNTIES DON'T ALLOW THAT ANYMORE, WHICH IT'S CONFUSING AS HECK.

WHY WOULD YOU LET 'EM VOTE ANYWHERE IN THE PRIMARY, YOU KNOW, EARLY VOTING, BUT THEN RESTRICT THEM TO THEIR, UH, DISTRICT THEY ARE.

AND UH, DAY OF ON THE DAY OF.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

SO FOR CITY ELECTION, WHERE WILL THE VOTING WOULD BE HERE? CIVIC CENTER OR THE, UH, TAX OFFICE? IS THAT? IT SHOULD BE AT THE CIVIC CENTER.

IT'S GONNA BE A CIVIC CENTER? YES.

YEAH, IT KIND OF SWITCH BACK AND FORTH.

LAST YEAR IT WAS AT THE, I THINK TAX OFFICE.

THINK THAT'S BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T RESERVE THE CIVIC CENTER IN TIME THOUGH.

NOT 'CAUSE IT WAS A CHANGE.

ANYTHING ELSE JB? THAT'D BE IT, SIR.

UH, THE ONLY THING I HAVE IS, UM, UH, ROTARY HAVE IN THEIR SHRIMP, UH, SHRIMP AND FISH FRY BOWL, SHRIMP BOWL AND FISH FRY, UH, THIS WEEKEND.

AND, UH, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE TICKETS, I CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE OR YOU CAN BUY, PURCHASE 'EM ONLINE AND THE MEAL TICKETS ARE $15 AND THEY STILL HAVE THE RAFFLE FOR THE CAR IS A HUNDRED DOLLARS AND IT'S ANOTHER, UH, TOYOTA AND THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF AUCTION ITEMS AND STUFF, SO STILL DRIVE THROUGH FOR, UH, IT'S DRIVE THROUGH AND UH, IN SIT DOWN.

SO PREFERENCE IS THAT YOU COME IN AND SIT DOWN AND BID AND SPEND MONEY .

UH, BUT YEAH, THE DRIVE THROUGH IS STILL STILL AN OPTION.

WHEN IS THAT? UH, THIS, UH, NEXT SATURDAY.

THIS SATURDAY.

THIS

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SATURDAY.

COMING UP THIS SATURDAY.

THIS SATURDAY? YES SIR.

THE NINTH I THINK IT IS.

AND UH, I'LL BE RUNNING AROUND INSIDE, UH, HANDLING INDOORS, UH, MEALS AND STUFF.

BUT ANYWAY, ALL THE MINES, ALL THE DOLLARS, UH, GO INTO, UH, INTO THE LOCAL AREA.

SO IT'S A GOOD, GOOD, UH, BENEFIT.

UH, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, NO STAFF.

AND OUR NEW, UH, OKAY.

SO WE'RE GOOD.