Mar 18, 2024 City Council

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[Call to Order]

UH, WELCOME TO, UH, THE, UH, MAY, THE MARCH, UH, UH, 18TH 2023 REGULAR SESSION OF LAKE JACKSON, UH, CITY COUNCIL AT, UH, 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.

AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH A, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN BROADUS.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TWO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, OR TREAT JUSTICE FOR ALL.

HONOR, HONOR, TEXAS, FLAG, HONOR, FLAG PLEDGE, ALL TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER GOD ONE.

AND IF YOU JOIN ME, UH, IN VACATION, HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TOGETHER WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS.

THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU HAVE BESTOWED ON EACH OF US.

BUT PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE POLLEN.

UH, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS, SERVICEMEN, AND WOMEN, AND OUR EMPLOYEES.

WE ASK YOU TO KEEP THEM SAFE.

FATHER, PLEASE GIVE THIS COUNSEL THE WISDOM GUIDANCE, ENCOURAGED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IN YOUR NAME, WE OFFER UP THIS PRAYER.

AMEN.

AMEN.

UH, COUNCILMAN UH, BLANCHARD HAS JOINED US, UH, VIA ZOOM.

HE'S, UH, A LITTLE BIT UNDER THE WEATHER, SO HE'S, UH, ON THE SCREENS.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA

[PRESENTATION]

UH, FIRST THING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE PRESENTATION FROM MR. RON COX.

UH, JUST GIVING US A FOLLOW UP ON OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION THAT WE JUST RECENTLY HAD, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, IT'S GREAT TO SEE ALL OF YOU AND STAFF.

MY WIFE WOULD'VE GIVEN A BIG AMEN TO THAT PRAYER JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO.

ALL TOUGH .

THANK YOU FOR, UM, ASKING ME TO COME BACK AND MAKE A REPORT.

I'M GLAD TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.

SO.

WE HAD A GREAT SESSION ON FEBRUARY 23RD, AND I WON'T GO THROUGH THE WHOLE REPORT.

YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS TO JUST, UH, QUALIFY IS THAT TOWARD THE END OF THE REPORT, YOU, YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE STRATEGIES FROM, THEY'RE ACTUALLY FROM LAST YEAR.

SO THAT PART OF THE REPORT'S NOT UPDATED.

BUT AFTER YOU ADOPT THIS, THEN I'M SURE MILFORD AND STAFF WILL GO THROUGH THAT, UPDATE THOSE, AND WE'LL INSERT THAT, UH, IN A REVISED REPORT.

BUT I, I DID WANT TO, UH, HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS.

UM, WE ALWAYS START WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE VISION OF TO CREATE AN IDEAL COMMUNITY TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY FOR ALL.

BUT THEN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN, IN, UH, MAYBE MANY, MANY YEARS, YOU ALL WORKED A LITTLE BIT ON THE MISSION STATEMENT TO JUST KIND OF CLARIFY AND MAYBE HELP THE FLOW OF THE SENTENCE ITSELF, THE, THE, UH, THE FLOW AND STRUCTURE OF THE MISSION STATEMENT, UH, TO BE A LEADER IN DELIVERING OUTSTANDING QUALITY SERVICES TO ALL CITIZENS THROUGH INNOVATIVE AND EFFICIENT USE OF RESOURCES.

SO, IT'S STILL THE SAME MEETING, BUT JUST A LITTLE, A LITTLE BASIC, UH, WORDSMITHING FOR, FOR ALSO, FOR THE FIRST TIME, THOUGH, YOU ESTABLISHED CORE VALUES.

THAT IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF, OF THE, UH, OVERALL, UM, UH, CORE VALUES OF THIS COMMUNITY, OF, OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF TOGETHER, BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, HAVING INTEGRITY, UH, HAVING A, HAVING A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, BE CUSTOMER FOCUSED AND BE INCLUSIVE.

AND IN EACH OF THOSE, WE PUT A GUIDING PRINCIPLE THERE FOR YOUR, UH, REVIEW, UH, TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT WE'VE, UH, ACTUALLY TAKEN A LOOK AT GUIDING PRINCIPLES, UH, CORE VALUES.

WE, WE CHANGED THE TERM VISION ELEMENT TO STRATEGIC FOCUS AREA.

UH, BUT, BUT THE STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS DIDN'T CHANGE.

UH, THEY'RE STILL THE SAME, UH, AT LEAST AT THIS POINT, TO ENABLE GROWTH AND REVITALIZATION, TO ENHANCE COMMUNICATION, MAINTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE, MAINTAIN A WELL-MANAGED CITY, AND ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

ONCE WE, ONCE WE FINISHED OR COMPLETED WHAT WE THOUGHT THE GOVERNANCE, UH, MODEL, UH, THE, THE IDEA ABOUT GOVERNANCE, VISION, MISSION, VALUES, UH, AND THOSE STRATEGIC FOCUS AREAS, THEN, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT WHAT YOUR QUOTE BIG WORRIES, UH, ARE FOR THIS COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE.

IN FACT, UH, MODESTO HAD PREPARED A, UH, A, A SMALL SURVEY FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

AND THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY ARE INCLUDED HERE, UH, IN THE BODY OF THE DOCUMENT.

BUT THOSE BIG WORRIES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED ARE, ARE INCLUDED IN THE, IN THE, UH, UH, DOCUMENT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE CONFINED FOOTPRINT, UH, FOR,

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UH, IN OTHER WORDS, BASED ON WHAT THE CURRENT ANNEXATION LAWS ARE, THAT CONFINED FOOTPRINT EVEN BE, BECOMES EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO WORK WITHIN, UH, A RELATIVELY SLOW TAX GROWTH.

TAX RATE GROWTH, GROWTH IN THE TAX RATE, TAX BASE.

NOT ONLY PROPERTY TAX, BUT SALES TAX AS A RESULT OF COVID AND THE CHANGING MARKET ENVIRONMENT.

UH, YOU ALL ARE STILL A STRONG SALES TAX, UM, GATHERER IN THE COMMUNITY MARKET, UH, GATHERER, BUT IT'S, IT'S GROWING AT A SLOWER RATE THAN WHAT IT HAD IN TIMES PAST.

UM, UH, OTHER, OTHER RESTRICTIONS WOULD INCLUDE, UH, YOUR INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENTS AND HOW THEY, UH, ARE CHANGING OVER TIME, AS WELL AS, UH, ANY LEGISLATIVE RESTRICTIONS THAT MIGHT COME ALONG.

UH, ANOTHER BIG WORRY CITY EMPLOYEE, UH, RECRUITMENT, UH, BIG WORRY WITH LONG-TERM WATER AVAILABILITY, UH, THE CONTINUED AFFORDABILITY TO LIVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN CONTINUING TO BE A SAFE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN FINALLY, HOMELESSNESS.

THOSE WERE THE BIG WORRIES THAT YOU ALL HAD AND SUBSETS OF THOSE WORRIES THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFIED AS WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, THESE ISSUES TOGETHER.

AND AS A, AND, AND SO TAKING THOSE BIG WORRIES, WHAT BIG IDEAS, UH, DID, DID YOU COME UP WITH? DO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE, THOSE ISSUES? SO THESE WERE, THESE WERE VERY, THIS WAS A VERY GOOD AND, AND INTERESTING DISCUSSION, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR STEPPING OUT TO THINK ABOUT THOSE BIG ITEMS THAT WOULD CHANGE AND IF MAYBE AFFECT THE LEGACY OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND HOW ARE WE GONNA ANTICIPATE THAT? HOW ARE YOU GONNA ANTICIPATE THAT? HOW ARE WE GONNA MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THAT? AND YOU IDENTIFIED IN THESE BIG IDEAS TO, TO, UH, ASSIST IN HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION.

UH, IDENTIFY PROGRAMS AND TOOLS, UH, THAT PROVIDE INCENTIVES FOR REVITALIZATION AND DETERMINE WHAT THOSE ARE AND DETERMINE IF THEY'RE GOOD FOR LAKE JACKSON.

AND THEN HOW TO IMPLEMENT THOSE IN THE FUTURE, UH, TO REMOVE ANY BARRIERS FROM A ZONING AND, AND REGULATORY PERSPECTIVE TO AN ACTIVE REV REVITALIZATION PROGRAM SO THAT WE DON'T JUST GET MORE OF THE SAME BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO, AS EXAMPLES TO REVIEW THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, REVIEW THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AND EVEN REVIEW DENSITY REQUIREMENTS TO SEE WHERE THOSE THINGS CAN ALL CHANGE IN ORDER TO, UH, IMPROVE THE MARKET ABILITY AND THE, AND THE MARKET FORCES THAT COME TO LOOK AT, UH, LAKE JACKSON.

AND THEN IDENTIFY, UH, WAYS TO MAINTAIN AFFORDABILITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

YOU ALSO, UH, LOOKED AT ENGAGING, UH, HOW YOU CAN ENGAGE WITH STATE AND LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS.

UH, THAT THAT MEANS NOT ONLY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, BUT YOUR NEIGHBORS AND CONTINUING TO ENGAGE, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE AREA CITIES, UH, IN THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT BRAZORIA AND NEIGHBORING COUNTIES, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE TIME COMES AND WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE SIMILAR, UH, ISSUES LIKE THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO CON TO, TO WORK TOGETHER, TO LOOK AT AT MODEL AGREEMENTS AND OTHER KINDS OF THINGS THAT, THAT MAY BE INNOVATIVE IN SOME OTHER CITY THAT, OR THAT YOU MAY SHARE WITH SOME THAT ARE INNOVATIVE FOR YOU TO BECOME A STRONG VOICE, UH, IN LEGISLATIVE, UH, MATTERS AS YOU LOOK AND PROMOTE THE CITY'S LEGISLATIVE NEEDS.

UH, AND IDENTIFY THOSE NEEDS AND WHAT THE EFFECT OF MAYBE RECENT LEGISLATION HAS BEEN TO EXAMINE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANNEXING, UH, PROPERTY, WHERE THAT'S A, UH, MIGHT BE AVAILABLE.

UH, AND SPECIFICALLY THE STATE PRISON, UH, PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED IN ORDER TO KEEP THE, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, MOVING FORWARD AND THEN BE, BE AN ADVOCATE FOR EXPANDED WATER, UH, SUPPLY AND RESOURCES, UH, WITH OUR LOCAL AND, AND STATE, UH, NEIGHBORS.

AND THEN FINALLY COMMUNICATE ISSUES AND CONCERNS TO THE CITY CITIZENS.

THAT THAT IDEA OF COMMUNICATION IS ONE OF YOUR KEY FOCUS GROUPS.

BUT I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS TO BE MORE ACTIVE, MORE AGGRESSIVE, UH, AND, AND BE MORE TRANSPARENT.

BUT, BUT GET THAT INFORMATION OUT BEFORE OTHER PEOPLE DECIDE WHAT THE KEY ISSUES OUGHT TO BE.

GET YOUR INFORMATION OUT, UH, FIRST.

AND SO, UM, SO THAT IS A HIGHLIGHT.

I WAS INSTRUCTED TO BE BRIEF.

I HOPE THAT'S BRIEF ENOUGH.

YEAH.

BUT, UH, THAT'S A HIGHLIGHT OF WHAT, WHAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT.

AGAIN, I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO

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ARE THERE ANY NEW GOALS? BUT YOU STEPPED OUT OF THE BOX, TOOK A LOOK AT THAT, AND, UH, AND, AND WORKED VERY WELL.

AND I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S WORK IN THAT, UH, AS WELL FOR ALL OF YOU TO WORK TOGETHER, UH, THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

SO, MR. MAYOR, THAT'S MY REPORT.

OKAY.

UH, JUST REAL QUICK, WHAT WOULD YOU SEE NEXT STEPS? NEXT STEPS? SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS TO APPROACH, APPROACH THIS.

UM, YOU COULD ACTUALLY, UH, I THINK THE STAFF PROBABLY NEEDS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

AND, UM, ONCE YOU ALL APPROVE IT, SAY, MOVE FORWARD, TAKE A LOOK AT THIS, UH, HELP YOU SET PRIORITIES ON WHAT TO START WITH.

AND THEN ONCE YOU SET PRIORITIES, THEY CAN DEVELOP A PLAN OF ACTION THAT WOULD SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOTTA DO.

FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE, UH, BARRIERS, REMOVING THOSE BARRIERS.

TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ORDINANCES MAY BE MOST SUSPECT, UH, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OR, UH, TALKING ABOUT REVITALIZATION.

WHAT ARE THOSE INCENTIVES THAT YOU MAY NEED TO LOOK AT AND, AND SET OUT A A PLAN OF ACTION.

SO ONCE THEY, ONCE YOU SET THOSE PRIORITIES, THEY COME BACK TO YOU, YOU SET THOSE PRIORITIES, THEN THEY START WORKING ON THOSE ON A STEP-BY-STEP BASIS, IT'LL TAKE A WHILE.

THOSE ARE BIG, RIGHT.

BIG ITEMS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN EVEN, YOU CAN'T ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THEM IN, IN ONE YEAR.

RIGHT? YEAH.

AND, AND I AGREE, YOU KNOW, YEAH.

PART OF THE NEXT STEPS IS, YOU KNOW, STAFF WORKING THROUGH THIS.

BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME THAT PART OF IT GOING FORWARD IS THAT WE ON COUNCIL NEEDS, NEEDS TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THESE AREAS AND SEE WHERE WE NEED TO EITHER ADD FURTHER DEFINITION OR IDENTIFY WHERE, WHERE WE CAN BE INVOLVED IN SURE.

AT LEAST IDENTIFYING SOLUTIONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

JUST AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE, THE ISSUES THAT, THAT ARE ON THIS LIST IS, IS THROUGH THE NETWORKING THAT WE DO WITH OTHER CITIES OR OTHER PEOPLE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY BE ABLE AN, AN INDIVIDUAL ON COUNCIL MAY BE ABLE TO BRING BACK TO THE GROUP AND SAY, HEY, I HEARD ABOUT THIS.

YOU KNOW, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO TYPE STUFF? SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO DO IS, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR EARS OPEN AND, AND NETWORKING WITH OTHER PEOPLE AND, UH, SEE IF WE CAN LEARN FROM OTHER PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES.

SO, SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT.

I THINK THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

IT'S, IT CAN BE DONE OFFLINE, BUT IT, IT NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED, KEPT GOING, RIGHT? AND, AND, AND THEY WON'T BE DOING ALL THE WORK.

RIGHT.

THEY'LL BRING THOSE ISSUES TO YOU.

ALL YOU'LL HAVE SHOULD HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR DISCUSSION ON HOW TO, WHAT, WHAT REGULATIONS MAY NEED TO CHANGE, RIGHT? IF, IF ANY, AND HOW THOSE NEED TO BE DONE AND, UH, THAT SORT OF THING.

SO I, I, I SEE A LOT OF, A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF DISCUSSION, A LOT OF, UH, INTEREST, UH, IN MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU ALL IDENTIFIED.

OKAY.

COUNSEL, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RON? THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, COMING BACK AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

YOU'RE ALWAYS VERY EDUCATIONAL.

APPRECIATE GOOD.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

BYE-BYE.

ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AS VISITORS COMMENTS.

UH, IS ANYBODY THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS, UH, THAT ARE INTEND ATTENDING TODAY? UH, UH, VISITORS, IF THEY WOULD HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WOULD'VE LIKE TO STEP UP AND, UH, MAKE OR TALK TO COUNSEL ABOUT? AGAIN, IT CAN, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, IS ANYBODY THAT HAS AN ITEM.

OKAY.

NOT SEEING ANY.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

THIS IS WHERE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL CAN DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANYTHING, ANY ITEM ON EITHER THE CONSENT OR REGULAR AGENDA.

IS THERE ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? ALL RIGHT.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

AGENDA ITEM ONE, APPROVE, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES, UH, FEBRUARY 20, 20, 24.

ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION, UH, MINUTES OF PLANNERS AND TRAFFIC.

ITEM THREE IS APPROVE ONE YEAR CONTRACT EXTENSION WITH, UH, HOUSTON POLY BAGS TO PURCHASE, UH, BLACK REFUSE BAGS, UH, AT THE CONTINUED PRICE OF $8 AND 12 CENTS A ROLL IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $130,000.

ITEM FOUR IS APPROVED THE PROCLAMATION FOR APRIL, 2024 AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH.

ITEM FIVE, AWARD BID NUMBER 24 0 1 0 0 2.

AND AUTHORIZED TO SAY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACT FOR CUSTO CUSTODIAL SERVICES, UH, WITH, UH, CHAO'S, UH, BROTHER, UH, AND SONS INCORPORATED FOR, UH, CIVIC CENTER RENTAL ROOMS NOT TO EXCEED $50,000 ANNUALLY AS BUDGETED.

ITEM SIX IS THE PROOF RESOLUTION NUMBER 24 9 4 9 AMENDING THE FISCAL YEAR 2324 BUDGET TO CARRY OVER, UH, TO FISCAL, UH, TO CARRY OVER FISCAL 20 20 22 23 CAPITAL PROJECT AND, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT FUNDS.

ITEM SEVEN, AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF A 2022 JOHN DEERE,

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AND THEN FINALLY, ITEM EIGHT, AUTHORIZED THE PURCHASE OF A 2024, UH, FORD F FOUR 50 DUMP TRUCK, UH, FROM SILS B FORD, UH, NOT EXCEEDING, UH, $81,009 AND 50 CENTS AS BUDGET.

IS THERE ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT A MEMBER OF COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? UH, A QUESTION ON ITEM THREE.

OKAY.

WE'LL PULL THAT FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER ITEM YOU WOULD LIKE TO PULL FURTHER, FURTHER DISCUSSION? FURTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA, EXCEPT FOR ITEM THREE, I'D LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEM 1, 2, 3.

1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT IS PRINTED ON THE AGENDA.

SECOND.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BAKER, SECOND COUNCILMAN, UH, SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN.

SETH.

UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOVING TO, UH, REGULAR AGENDA.

FIRST ITEM WE OWN AN

[3. Approve a one-year contract extension with Houston Poly Bags to purchase Black Refuse Bags at the continued price of $8.12 a roll in an amount not exceeding $130,000.]

ALRIGHT, COUNCILMAN BAKER, THAT WAS YOUR REQUEST? YES, SIR.

QUESTION ON THAT? IS THAT THE, UH, TRASH BAGS? WE YES.

BLACK ONES.

OKAY.

THE BLACK TRASH BAGS THAT THEY SELL HERE AND RIGHT.

AND WE PICK UP.

OKAY.

THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S IT.

YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM? ON THIS ITEM? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, ITEM THREE.

OKAY, THAT'S ON THE AGENDA.

SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

A AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO REGULAR AGENDA DISCUSSION, PR

[1. Discussion and presentation of Lake Jackson’s major thoroughfare assessment by Jeff Booth from the H20 Partners/Road Assessment Services – Riazul Mia]

YOU WANNA START US OFF HERE? YES, MR. MAYOR, UH, WE DO HAVE, SCOTT IS REPLACING JEFF.

UM, UH, HE WILL BE PRESENTING, UM, THE STUDY WE DID.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE, UM, AND WHAT WE NEED TO INVEST IN MONEY TO KEEP THE ROAD NOT GOING FURTHER DETERIORATED.

SCOTT? THANK YOU, MAYOR COUNCIL.

UH, MY NAME'S SCOTT GORDON.

I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, REGISTERED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I'M PRESIDENT OF ROADWAY ASSET SERVICES.

SO HERE TO PRESENT OUR RESULTS OF OUR ANALYSIS THAT WE STARTED, UH, COLLECTING LAST MAY ACTUALLY, UM, I'VE GOT, UH, 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE DOING THIS.

WE DO THIS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

UH, PUT ON THE SLIDE HERE, SOME OF THE TEXAS AGENCIES THAT WE'RE PRESENTLY DOING WORK FOR THOSE PROBABLY IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO.

UH, SO WE DO THIS A LOT.

UM, WE TRY TO HELP COMMUNITIES.

IT'S, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN THIS SMALL COMMUNITY.

I GREW UP IN A SMALL COMMUNITY OUT TOWARD ABILENE CALLED EASTLAND, AND IT'S GREAT TO COME TO AN AREA WHERE EVERYBODY WALKS IN AND WE'RE ALL NEIGHBORS AND IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS.

UM, BUT IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE YOU AND HELP YOU WITH YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ASSESSMENTS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE STREETS.

SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH HERE REAL QUICK.

UH, I'LL GO THROUGH A LOT OF SLIDES VERY QUICKLY AND THEN I'LL GO BACK IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN GET INTO SOME MORE DETAILS.

UH, JUST TO START OFF, PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT, WHAT'S THE THEORY OF HOW WE DO THIS? UH, IF YOU TAKE A ROAD AND YOU ASSUME THAT THE ORIGINAL CONDITION'S GONNA BE UP HERE AT THE TOP OF WHATEVER SCALE, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX.

IT'S A ZERO TO A HUNDRED SCALE, BUT AS WE DETERIORATE OVER A 30, 40 YEAR PERIOD, TYPICALLY YOUR ROAD'S GONNA DETERIORATE IN THIS KIND OF FASHION.

YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS KIND OF CURVE.

IF WE APPLY MAINTENANCE THROUGHOUT IN A PRESERVATION MODE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF FREQUENT MAINTENANCE OCCURRING HERE THAT IS LOWER COST THAT WILL EXTEND THE SERVICE LIFE.

AND THE ANALOGY HERE, THAT THREE 50 A SQUARE YARD FOR SOME TYPE OF CRACK, SEAL, SURFACE SEALS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT HELPS PROTECT THE ROAD.

SIMILAR TO PAINTING YOUR HOUSE, TAKES THE WEAR, ALLOWS THE STRUCTURE TO PERFORM AS IT'S ENTIRE, UH, DESIGN.

THE, UH, THE, UH, CAN'T THINK OF MY WORD.

THE, THE OPPOSITE OF THAT REALLY IS IF YOU LET IT DETERIORATE DOWN TO THIS POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO REBUILD STRUCTURE, YOUR COST IS GONNA BE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

SO WHAT WE DO IN PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT IS TRY TO LOOK AT AREAS WHERE WE CAN DO PRESERVATION, EXTEND

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DOWN HERE WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO REBUILD STREETS, SO THIS IS SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE USED.

I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO GREAT DETAIL, BUT WE'RE USING LASERS, POINT IT DOWN ON THE PAVEMENT SURFACE TO MEASURE THE CRACKING.

VERY SIMILAR TO A SURVEYOR SHOOTING OUT A LASER.

WE REFLECT BACK OFF THE PAVEMENT SURFACE.

THAT'S HOW WE'RE FINDING THE CRACKS, WHERE THE LASERS GO DEEPER IN REFLECTION, WE'VE ALSO GOT GPS, SO WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE COLLECTING ALL THE DATA CAMERAS.

WE HAVE PROFILERS THAT ARE MEASURING RUT DEPTH, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER, ROD QUALITY.

WE CALL IT INTERNATIONAL ROUGHNESS INDEX, BUT WE'RE MEASURING THE VERTICAL INCHES OF MOVEMENT PER MILE AS THE VEHICLE IS TRAVELING DOWN THE ROAD.

SO IT'S WHAT YOUR USERS ARE GONNA FEEL DRIVING DOWN THE STREETS.

AS FAR AS ROUGHNESS, THIS IS ALL CALIBRATED AT TTI UP AT A AND M.

UH, SO WE KEEP THIS EQUIPMENT WHERE WE'RE GETTING GOOD CONSISTENT READINGS.

UH, THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE'RE USING, I'M GONNA MENTION PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, BUT THERE'S AN A STM PROCEDURE OUT THERE THAT WE FOLLOWED FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS THAT, UH, BASICALLY WALKS YOU THROUGH HOW TO MEASURE CRACKING IN ROADS, HOW TO RATE 'EM.

THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PUT IT TOGETHER ORIGINALLY, UH, IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE THE SEVENTIES.

UH, BUT THE, THE PROCEDURE IS BASICALLY GIVING YOU DESCRIPTION OF EACH DISTRESS, SEVERITY LEVELS, HOW YOU MEASURE IT.

THERE'S CURVES TO ACTUALLY DEDUCT BASED ON THE DENSITY OF THE CRACKING OR THE PARTICULAR DISTRESS YOU'RE FINDING.

UH, AND YOU SUBTRACT POINTS FROM A PERFECT 100 SCORE IS THE BASIC THEORY OF IT.

UH, SO THE GUIDE WILL RUN US THROUGH THERE.

WE'VE GOT ALGORITHMS WHERE WE GO THROUGH AND TAKE READINGS OUTTA THE VAN.

WE'LL RUN IT THROUGH THE, THE CALCULATIONS AND CALCULATE THIS PCI FOR EACH YEAR ROAD SEGMENTS.

SO WHAT WE DID HERE FOR LAKE JACKSON WAS LOOKED AT THE ARTERIAL STREETS.

SO THE STREETS LIGHT LITTED UP HERE, AND THEN IN A COLOR, UH, BASICALLY JUST FOCUSING ON YOUR THOROUGHFARES RIGHT NOW.

WE DID NOT DRIVE THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS AND SOME OF THE SMALLER VOLUME STREETS.

THAT'LL BE ANOTHER PROJECT.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET GOING, UH, WITH YOU LATER.

UH, THE BREAKDOWN HERE IS GONNA SHOW BASED UPON THESE CATEGORIES THAT ARE DEFINED IN A STM.

UH, THERE'S DESCRIPTORS TO IT, BUT REALLY IT'S THESE PCI RANGES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH MILE OR SEGMENT BASED ON YOUR GIS SEGMENTATION OF HOW YOUR CITY IS BROKEN UP.

YOUR ROAD SEGMENTS IS WHAT GUIDED US.

FOR EACH SEGMENT WE'RE CALCULATING A PAVE CONDITION INDEX.

SO YOU SEE THE COLORS HERE, THERE'S A CODE OVER HERE.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE ON THE SCREEN, BUT GREEN IS VERY GOOD.

GOOD AS YOUR COLORS FADE AND GET INTO REDS, THAT'S WHERE YOUR PROBLEMS ARE.

AND YOU'VE GOT POOR ROADS.

SO IT'S EASY TO LOOK AT A MAP, SEE WHERE THINGS ARE.

WE ALSO PUT IT INTO GRAPHICAL FORM TO KIND OF DISTRIBUTE ACROSS WHERE YOU ARE.

AND WITHIN YOUR HIGHER LEVEL ARTERIAL STREETS, YOUR SCORES ARE RUNNING PRETTY GOOD.

SO WHEN YOU SAY, SO YOU'RE LOOKING, AGAIN, THIS IS AT STRUCTURAL, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T PLACE OR WRITING OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS, I'M GONNA GET INTO RIDING NEXT.

OKAY.

THIS IS LOOKING AT THE CRACKING THE DISTRESS AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT IS FAR AS FAILURE.

THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROAD AS FAILURE ROAD AND ALL THAT KIND OF, OKAY.

CORRECT.

CAN IT STILL CONTINUE TO CARRY THE LOADS? SO IN THAT SITUATION, WE'VE GOT SOME CRACKING, BUT UH, IT'S NOT SEVERE IN THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DAMAGED ROADS.

YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OF YOUR ARTERIALS DOWN IN THIS SERIOUS RECONSTRUCTION AREA.

SO MOST OF EVERYTHING WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH IS CEILING JOINTS, MAYBE SOME SLAB REPLACEMENTS, THAT TYPE OF WORK.

AND WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.

NOW, THIS MAYOR IS WHAT YOU GET INTO THE RIDE QUALITY, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A ZERO TO A HUNDRED SCALE, VERY SIMILAR, BUT YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE COLOR LIGHTING UP HERE IN RED.

SO I'M SURE YOU'RE GETTING THE PHONE CALLS, YOUR STAFF GETS THE CALLS, YOU GOT SOME ROUGH ROADS OUT THERE THAT THE, UH, RESIDENTS ARE FEELING AS THEY DRIVE THROUGH.

SO SIMILAR BREAKDOWN, YOU SEE THAT SHIFT OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE POOR FAIR CATEGORIES.

SO REALLY WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THE PROBLEM IS LET'S IMPROVE THE RIDE QUALITY BY MAYBE GRINDING SOME JOINTS, DOING SOME THINGS TO IMPROVE SOME OF THE SLABS, MAYBE REPLACE A FEW TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT SMOOTHER RIDE.

BUT FROM A STRUCTURE STANDPOINT, AS I SHOWED IN THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, YOU'RE IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION THERE.

SO WE TAKE ALL THAT DATA AND WE'VE WORKED WITH YOUR STAFF TO GO THROUGH AND DEFINE WHAT SCALES OF THESE PCI RANGES, WOULD WE APPLY PARTICULAR TREATMENTS.

AND SO MOST OF YOUR NETWORK IS CONCRETE.

I THINK WE HAD ONE ARTERIAL THAT WAS ASPHALT.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS CONCRETE.

SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED IN WHAT WE CAN, UH, DO WITH THAT.

AND THERE WE GO.

THANK YOU.

SORRY, I DON'T INTEND FOR YOU TO READ ALL OF THIS, BUT BASICALLY THERE'S PANEL REPLACEMENTS, UH, TO CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF THE OVERALL STREET INTO PARTIAL RECONSTRUCTION DOWN TO FULL DEPTH.

MOST OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE DEALING WITH IS JOINT REHAB, CRACK SEAL, AND SOME PANEL REPLACEMENT THROUGHOUT THE STREETS.

WE ASSOCIATED A COST WITH EACH OF THESE.

WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS WE'RE GONNA SEE ONCE WE DO THAT WORK SO THAT WE CAN MODEL THAT IN YOUR NETWORK CONDITIONING.

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AND WE CAN ADDRESS THIS IF YOU'VE GOT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UH, BUT WE RUN THROUGH A MODEL WHERE WE BASICALLY SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH? AND WE START LOOKING AT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO SPEND THAT MONEY.

SO WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE STREETS.

AND THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT IS ROADS THAT ARE AT A CONDITION THAT MAY DETERIORATE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO TO A LOWER CONDITION.

MEANING WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY MORE MONEY IF WE WAIT.

LET'S GET THOSE.

NOW, IF A ROAD'S GONNA BE IN A SIMILAR CONDITION AND IT'S NOT DETERIORATING FAST ENOUGH TO CHANGE, LET'S DEFER THAT ROAD, RIGHT? SO WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON THE CRITICAL ROADS, UH, SO THAT WE CAN MOST EFFICIENTLY SPEND IT.

WE MODELED BASED ON WHAT YOUR STAFF WAS TELLING US, AND WE HAVE AN INFLUX HERE IN 25 OF SOME FUNDING.

SO WE'RE GONNA SEE AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE CONDITION OF WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO BASED ON THE FUNDING THERE.

AND THEN WE'LL SEE THE FUNDING DROP BACK TO NORMAL LEVELS.

AND WE'RE GONNA SEE THAT SLIGHTLY DETERIORATE AFTER THAT HAPPENS.

SO WHAT WE DO IS RUN THROUGH NUMEROUS SCENARIOS OF MODELS TO TRY TO CREATE SOME TRENDS SO THAT CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED.

AND WE GET A LOT OF DIFFERENT SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IF WE DO CHANGE MONEY IN DIFFERENT THINGS TO FOCUS HERE.

THE YELLOW DASH LINE IS A, UH, STEADY STATE.

SO WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD IT TAKE TO MAINTAIN THE CONDITION YOU'RE AT NOW, KEEP THAT NETWORK PCI WHERE WE ARE AT THE PRESENT MOMENT.

THE PURPLE OR MAGENTA LINE HERE WITH THE BUMP IN IT IS THE BUDGET THAT WE MODELED BASED ON WHAT YOUR STAFF IS TELLING US.

AND ONCE AGAIN, IN 25, WE GET GET THAT BUMP OF OVER A MILLION DOLLARS MAINTENANCE INTO THERE.

AND THEN WE SEE A TREND OFF AS THE, UH, FUNDING GOES DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

ALL IN ALL, THAT BUDGET IS GOOD BECAUSE IT'S KEEPING US ABOVE THE STEADY STATE, RIGHT? SO WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR CONDITION.

UH, SO AS DOING THAT, WE START GETTING THESE TREND LINES.

SO THIS BLUE LINE IS A RESULT OF THOSE NUMEROUS LINES I WAS SHOWING HERE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHERE DO WE END UP THOSE ENDING POINTS FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? HELP US TO FIND THIS TREND LINE THAT YOU SEE IN BLUE HERE.

THE STEADY STATE ONCE AGAIN IS THIS KIND OF GOLDEN COLOR LINE HERE.

THE GREEN IS YOUR EXISTING BUDGET THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, AND YOU CAN SEE A LITTLE BUMP RIGHT THERE BECAUSE OF THAT 25 MONEY THAT'S PUMPED IN THERE.

BUT THIS IS A TREND.

SO YOU CAN GO BACK TO THIS CURVE AND SAY, WELL, WHAT IF WE'RE ABLE TO PULL A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND THROW INTO THIS? WHAT WOULD THE RESULT BE? AND YOU CAN BASICALLY JUST GO UP TO THIS TREND LINE AND SAY, WE ACTUALLY WOULD GET UP IN THE HIGH SEVENTIES.

SO THESE ANALYSIS CAN TELL US A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN START DETERMINING, DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SPEND? ARE YOU SPENDING IT ENOUGH WISELY? DO WE NEED TO FIND MORE MONEY? UH, RIGHT NOW, I THINK ON THE THOROUGHFARE, WHAT AMOUNTS YOU'RE SPENDING, WE'VE SHOWN YOU'RE STAYING ABOVE THE STEADY STATE, SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS.

IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THE, THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS TO THIS, TYPICALLY WE SEE THOSE DRAG THAT NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

'CAUSE THOSE NUM THOSE STREETS ARE IN MORE NEED OF REPAIR GENERALLY.

SO AT THAT POINT, I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU'VE GOT OR WE CAN GO BACK AND DIVE INTO DETAIL.

DO YOU HAVE A GO AHEAD.

DO YOU HAVE A, UH, A LIST OF THE STREETS THAT WE DO? UH, COULD YOU SHOW IT TO US OR DO YOU HAVE I I DON'T HAVE IN THE PRESENTATION.

UH, THE STAFF HAS IT.

UM, WE'VE GOT A, UH, DASHBOARD THAT WE PROVIDE THE CITY POWERPOINT BI TO WHERE THEY CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT THAT AND THEN EXPORT THAT INTO SPREADSHEETS.

AND UH, YEAH, I WOULD'VE LIKED TO SEE THEY CAN EXPORT THAT, THAT WE NEEDED TO.

YEAH, IF I CONCENTRATE ON IT, IF I THROW ON THE SCREEN, IT'S GONNA BE PRETTY TINY, BUT WE COULD GO THROUGH ALL THE STREETS AND WHAT WE DO IS WE LIST THEM OUT PER YEAR BASED ON THIS STUDY OF WHICH ONES, BASED ON THAT BUDGET AMOUNT YOU GAVE US, AND IT'LL LIST EACH YEAR WHAT STREETS WE RECOMMEND FOR TREATMENT.

SO STAFF CAN PRODUCE THAT FOR YOU.

AND YOU CAN SEE THAT LIST.

I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION AND, AND THE PRESENTATION OF STREET BY STREET WORK CONDITION NOW IS WHAT WE ARE PROJECTING OR WHAT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE SPENT TO GET THERE.

AND I ALWAYS WANNA STATE THIS PLAN IS BASED, LIKE I SAID, ON THIS PRIORITIZATION AND ON THE ENGINEERING TECHNIQUES OF LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONING.

BUT IT'S ALWAYS CAN BE MODIFIED.

IT'S A RECOMMENDED TREATMENT PLAN BASED ON WHAT WE RAN WITH THE MODELS.

BUT WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S ALWAYS OTHER ISSUES THAT COME INTO PLAY HERE, UH, OF WHY YOU MAY NEED TO INFUSE A STREET AT AN EARLIER YEAR.

YEAH, WE'D STREETS AROUND.

I'VE SEEN THAT WE COULD TAKE IT AND LOOK AND AT WHAT THE STREETS THAT WE THINK THAT NEEDS SOME WORK.

SURE.

IT'D, IT'D BE GOOD FOR US TO TAKE THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE BETTER STREET, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.

AND THIS IS THE PRIORITY.

AND MAYBE PERHAPS A TASK FORCE SOME KIND TO, TO HELP US DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WHICH STREETS IN THEIR PRIORITY LIST IS.

RIGHT.

WELL, A AGAIN, THE THE, THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT WAS JUST AN OVERVIEW AND THEN WE'LL GET THE FULL PRESENTATION AND, AND THE INFORMATION LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT.

THE

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IN THE PAST WHEN WE'VE DONE THE TASK FORCE, IT'S BEEN, WE PULL A TASK FORCE OF INDIVIDUALS TOGETHER AND WE DIVIDE THE CITY UP INTO AREAS AND THEN THEY GO DRIVE THOSE AREAS AND THEY COME BACK WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT STREETS NEED TO BE REPAIRED.

AND IT'S, IT'S ALL BY SEE THEIR PANTS.

WHERE THIS IS, IS THIS, THIS IS DATA THAT, UH, HOPEFULLY WHAT WE CAN DO IS IT'S DATA THAT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED AND KEPT AND SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY HAVE YOU COME BACK AND AGAIN, ANOTHER PERIOD OF TIME AND RECYCLE THE SAME AREAS.

AND SEE, WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN IS, UH, WHICH ONES ARE FAILING CURRENTLY IN THE FAILING PROCESS.

YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU IDENTIFIED AS BEST AS YOU CAN, BUT ONCE YOU CAN COMPARE DATA OVER SEVERAL YEARS, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THAT THIS ONE IS FAILING.

AND THAT MAY MOVE THAT ONE UP ON, ON THE LIST.

SO THAT'S GOOD DATA FOR ME.

UH, UH, I THINK FOR US GOING FORWARD.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHAT I WANT, THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK YOU IS, IS THAT, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY WAY TO DETERMINE WHAT ROW BASES LOOK LIKE FROM NOT WITH THIS EQUIPMENT? THAT'S THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF A, UM, DESTRUCTIVE TESTING WITH POURING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT OUT.

SO THERE'S NO LIKE UNDERGROUND RADAR.

YOU, YOU CAN DO A GROUND PENETRATING RADAR, RIGHT? THAT WILL GIVE YOU DENSITY OF MATERIALS.

RIGHT.

AND YOU CAN DEFINITELY FIND THE THICKNESS OF BASE.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO DETERMINE THE STRUCTURE OR THE STRENGTH OF THAT BASE BASED UPON A GPR.

IT'S GENERALLY MORE DENSITY AND THICKNESS, BUT YOU CAN COME THROUGH AND CORE IT AND, UH, I WAS A GEOTECH ENGINEER FOR YEARS AND WE'D CORE AND TAKE SAMPLES AND RUN IT BACK TO THE LAB AND RUN STRENGTH TEST ON IT.

SO WE COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT.

THIS IS REALLY MORE LOOKING AT THE CONDITION.

SO IT'S A LAGGING INDICATOR, RIGHT? RIGHT.

THE CONDITIONS ALREADY OCCURRED OR THE DISTRESS HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.

WE KNOW BASED UPON THE TYPES OF DISTRESS THAT WE'VE OBSERVED HERE, GENERALLY WHAT'S THE CAUSE OF THOSE DISTRESSES, UH, BASED ON HISTORY AND EXPERIENCE WITH IT.

UH, SO WE CAN USE THOSE AS INDICATORS AND THAT PLAYS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THIS ANALYSIS OF WHICH ROADS ARE CRITICAL IN THAT TYPE OF THING.

BUT NO, YOU'RE RIGHT ON MAYOR WITH THE, UH, THE LOOKING AT THE ASSESSMENT OF IT, UM, GIVES US AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE.

IT'S, THERE IS SOME SUBJECTIVITY TO IT.

WE'VE REDUCED THAT QUITE A BIT OVER THE YEARS WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY.

WHEN I STARTED THIS BACK IN THE LATE EIGHTIES, WE WENT OUT AND WALKED THE STREET RIGHT.

AND EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.

IN MY OPINION, AT 9:00 AM WAS DIFFERENT AT 3:00 PM RIGHT? AND NOW WITH THIS EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE RUNNING OVER THERE WITH THE LASERS AND THE MEASUREMENTS, UH, WE'VE TAKEN AWAY A LOT OF THAT SUBJECTIVITY TO IT.

AND THERE'S A LITTLE MORE, A LOT MORE SCIENCE TO IT.

SO, MR. MAYOR, I REPEATABILITY, SORRY, I MISSPOKE ABOUT, UH, TASK FORCE.

WHAT I MEANT TO SAY IS BOND TASK FORCE, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO THE, UH, CITIZENS FOR PERHAPS SOME BOND MONEY BECAUSE OUR CURRENT MAINTENANCE BUDGET CANNOT HANDLE THIS TYPE OF REPAIR.

SO IN ORDER TO GO TAKE THE BOND FORCE, THAT'S WHAT I MEANT.

AND THAT'S THE TASK FORCE.

AND I MEANT ABOUT A BOND TASK FORCE TOO.

WHEN I SAID TASK FORCE, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.

WE'VE DONE A BOND TASK FORCE FOR STREETS AND THAT'S WE'RE I THINK WE'RE BOTH TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.

I'VE GOT THREE QUESTIONS.

YES.

NUMBER ONE IS THIS THE FIRST TIME THE CITY HAS DONE THIS IS REALLY FOR Y'ALL THAT THE CITY HAS DONE THIS TYPE OF FORMAL, RIGHT? YES.

SCIENTIFIC TESTING.

YES.

RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S GREAT.

THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF WE NEED TO HAVE ON TAP FOR THE DATA TO BE ABLE TO LONG-TERM PLAN, HOW MUCH WE LOVE OUR TREES HERE.

HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK ALL THE TREES PLANTED SO CLOSE TO THE ROADS AFFECT OUR ROAD? , YOU ARE TALKING TO A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER.

OKAY.

SO YES.

UM, WATER IS OUR NUMBER ONE ISSUE AND THEY'RE STUCK IN THE WATER AND TREES ARE MAJOR PUMPS.

YEAH.

SITTING UNDER THE STREETS.

SO MY THIRD QUESTION REALLY IS FOR YOU, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OF LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ROAD BASES AND STRUCTURES OVER THE YEARS, WHAT HAVE YOU FOUND IN THIS TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT TYPICALLY LASTS THE BEST WHEN IT'S PROPERLY MAINTAINED? , WHAT YOU LIKE, CONCRETE OR ASPHALT? THAT'S A MAJOR, YEAH, THAT'S A BIG OPINION.

UM, I THINK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, CONCRETE HAS DONE WELL.

MM-HMM, , UM, THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SOIL.

SO I LIVE UP NEAR DALLAS.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE DEAL WITH AND WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS MOISTURE.

WE DRY OUT SO MUCH MORE THAN YOU DO DOWN HERE.

RIGHT? TO ME, ONCE THE MOISTURE'S IN, I CAN MANAGE THE MOISTURE.

IF IT'S THERE, IT'S WHEN THE MOISTURE LEAVES AND IT DRIES.

IT'S THAT CYCLE IS WHAT'S DAMAGING TO A SOIL AND TO A PAVEMENT, RIGHT? IF YOU CAN KEEP IT CONSISTENT, YOU CAN AT LEAST DEAL WITH THAT CONCRETE.

TO ME, I'LL JUST SAY MY BIAS IS

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IT'S, IT'S DESIGNED TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE.

IT'S CHEAPER TO MAINTAIN, IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD.

NOW THEY'LL RUN LIFECYCLE COST ANALYSIS AND SAY, WELL CONCRETE OVER THE LONG RUN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH MAINTENANCE REQUIRED, IT'S CHEAPER.

BUT THAT'S IN A 30 YEAR ANALYSIS, IN MY OPINION, YOU NEED TO RUN ABOUT A 60 YEAR ANALYSIS TO WHERE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THAT CONCRETE AT SOME POINT.

THAT COST IS HUGE.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK ASPHALT'S A LITTLE MORE FORGIVING FOR A COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT AND MAINTAIN IT.

SO YOU CAN DO SO MANY MORE PRE PRESERVATION ACTIVITIES TO ASPHALT TO PROLONG IT.

AND TO ME, JUST FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S A, A FLEXIBLE MATERIAL IN A CLAY ENVIRONMENT THAT MOVES.

WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANNA BE FLEXIBLE THAN PUTTING A RIGID STRUCTURE ON IT? UM, I'VE GOT FRIENDS IN THE CONCRETE INDUSTRY AND WE HAVE THESE DEBATES ALL THE TIME.

UH, CONCRETE'S A GREAT STRUCTURE FROM WHAT I'VE JUST SEEN DRIVING AROUND THE COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT TODAY.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GETTING JOINT DIFFERENTIAL AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE TREES PULLING THE MOISTURE IN AND OUT.

THAT'S WHAT'S CAUSING SOME OF THAT TO CHANGE.

UH, THE ROOTS WILL PUSH IT UP TO SOME EXTENT ALSO.

UM, SO CONCRETE'S A LITTLE LESS FORGIVING.

HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES SOME ANSWER TO YOU.

IT DOES, YEAH.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL KIND OF LOOKING AT IS WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE, NOT NEXT YEAR, BUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW RIGHT.

WITH THE CITIZENS.

AND TO ME, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY WHAT'S THE COST OF MAINTAINING THAT AND REPLACING IT? THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION COST IS ONE ASPECT TO LOOK AT.

CONCRETE'S OBVIOUSLY A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE AND MAYBE THAT FIRST 20, 30 YEARS YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE AS MUCH MAINTENANCE ON IT.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT LONG TERM AND YOU GUYS ARE OWNING FOR LONG TERM, AT SOME POINT YOU'VE GOTTA REBUILD THAT STREET.

HOW FAR AWAY SHOULD THOSE TREES BE PLANTED? ? 15 FEET.

15 IS IS THE, THE GENERAL, THE, THE RULE OF THUMB, I THINK A HORTICULTURE WILL TELL YOU IS LOOK AT THE DRIP LINE.

MM-HMM.

, KEEP THAT DRIP LINE DISTANCE AWAY FROM THE ROAD.

LET'S ALSO, WE HAVE OUR DRINKING WATER, WATER WELLS AS WELL.

THAT'S TAKING THE WATER OUT OF THE GROUND AS WELL.

YEAH.

SUBSIDES, SUBSIDE.

JUST THINK IN THE FUTURE.

I MEAN, WE LOVE OUR TREES, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS A STANDARD OF HOW CLOSE THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE PLANTED TO OUR STREETS.

OH YEAH.

AND THEN THERE'S ROOT BERRY SYSTEMS YOU CAN PUT IN AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO IT IS JUST A LOT, A LOT PIECES.

I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO ALONG AND THERE'S A LOT WE NEED TO LEARN AND WELL, I'M AN ENGINEER AND I, MY WIFE, I DRIVE HER NUTS 'CAUSE SHE WANTS TO PLANT TREES NEXT TO THE HOUSE AND I'M LIKE, NO, NO, NO.

.

YEAH, BECAUSE THE ROOTS WILL DESTROY THE FOUNDATION.

SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE AESTHETICS AND I'VE, I'VE HAD PEOPLE CONTACT ME LOOK AT PARKING LOTS AND THEY PUT TREES IN THE MEDIANS AND THEY'VE GOT ALL THIS CRACKING IN THEIR CONCRETE.

HE SAID, SOLVE THE PROBLEM, YOU'RE THE EXPERT.

AND I SAID, GET RID OF THE TREE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.

UH, THAT'S USUALLY WHAT'S PULLING THE MOISTURE IN AND OUT AGAIN.

WHAT I SEE GOING FORWARD IS, IS THAT, UH, I THINK THERE'S A GOOD UH, NEED TO, UH, DO A WORKSHOP WITH COUNCIL AND LOOK AT THE DATA F FURTHER AND, UH, AND WORKING WITH, WORKING WITH COUNCIL AND ALSO WITH STAFF AND UH, TALK ABOUT THE PATH FORWARD AND STUFF.

RIGHT.

AND UH, PROBABLY LIKE, WELL YOUR STAFF DOES HAVE A LIST OF ALL THOSE.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT IF YOU WANT, SEE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE OR YOU WANT TO TWEAK OR YOU WANT TO ADD SOME ROADS INTO THAT.

WE'VE GOT A PROGRAM AND WE DID SOME OF THAT WITH SOME PLANNED WORK YOU HAD IN 24.

WE CAN INPUT THOSE PLANNED PROJECTS INTO THIS MODEL AND RUN THAT THROUGH AND SEE HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE SOME THINGS.

OKAY.

BUT AGAIN, THE THE THE PRIMARY ROADS YOU, YOU LOOKED AT WERE THE THROUGH ROADS.

CORRECT.

SO IT WASN'T CORRECT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

IT WAS CORRECT GETTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUT.

SO IT'S LIKE YOU DID DO PONT NORTH YO PINE FOR AN EXAMPLE.

THAT'S THE ROLLER COASTER YOU DID.

LAKE ROAD AND ALL THOSE.

SO IT'S JUST THAT WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD INFORMATION.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MAYOR.

YES MA'AM.

CAN I ASK EVERYBODY TO PLEASE SPEAK INTO THE MIC FOR OUR, FOR UH, COUNSEL IS HAVING A LITTLE HARD TIME HEARING EVERYTHING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT.

CHASE, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I SEE SALLY, EVEN WHEN YOU WERE TALKING RIGHT THERE, IT'S ALL BROKEN UP.

I, I CAN'T HEAR ANYBODY OTHER THAN THE, THE PERSON AT THE MICROPHONE, I MEAN AT THE PODIUM.

ALL RIGHT.

WE CAN HEAR YOU PRETTY GOOD.

YEAH, WE CAN HEAR YOU ON JUST AS A DATA POINT.

I CAN SEE HIS LSU SWEATSHIRT THOUGH.

.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, R DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR? UH, NO, MR. MAYOR, UH, WE WILL, DURING THE BUDGET, WE'LL BRING SOME RECOMMENDATION, UM, BASED ON THIS DATA, WE ARE LOOKING AT BUYING AN ASPHALT, UH, TRUCK.

SO WE CAN DO THE ASPHALT CEILING AND ALSO THE POT PATCHER, LIKE

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WHAT YOU SEE, WE PUTTING ASPHALT.

SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE WILL BRING IT TO YOU DURING BUDGET.