* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE] [00:00:05] INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY OF JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU, SIR. [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] EVERYBODY HAVE CHANCE? LOOK THE MINUTES. MM-HMM. . ANY ISSUES WITH 'EM? NO MINUTES ARE APPROVED. THAT'S A . UH, MR. COMMENTS, ANYBODY THAT HAS ANYTHING TO SAY, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA AT THE TIME? UH, WE CAN'T ADDRESS IT. WE CAN LISTEN. UH, IN GENERAL, ANYBODY THAT SPEAKS TO THE, UH, MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS 'CAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. AND MARK, IS THIS WHERE I, I BRING UP A TOPIC OR IS IT, LET'S DO IT. THE END. WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY INTEREST END. DOES THAT WORK? YEAH. ALRIGHT. [4. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE A 2.83 ACRE PORTION OF A 14-ACRE LOT 2 OF PLANTATION VILLAGE SECTION 13 OF THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE AT 220 LAKE ROAD FROM (B-3 INSTITUTIONAL) TO A BUSINESS USE (OPTIONS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION)] ITEM, FIRST ITEM, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE A 2.83 ACRE PORTION OF A 14 ACRE LOT TO A PLANTATION VILLAGE. SECTION 13 OF THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE AT TWO 20 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO A BUSINESS. USE OPTIONS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. MS. ALLEN, OR A REPRESENTATIVE? WELL, I, I CAN INTRODUCE, I GUESS MY NAME IS KATE ALLEN. I'M A, I'M A MEMBER OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH. MY NAME'S KATE ALLEN. I'M A MEMBER OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH. WE HAVE BRIAN BUSH, WHO IS OUR PASTOR OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, AND RICKY WILLIAMS, WHO WE'RE CALLING OUR PROJECT MANAGER. RIGHT. OKAY. AND, UM, HE'S THE ONE THAT'S GONNA DO MOST OF THE TALKING. UM, AND YOU SEE, UH, THANK YOU SAL FOR, UM, PUTTING OUR EXHIBIT UP. UM, BUT WE ARE, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, DOING A REMODEL AND AN EXTENSION TO THE CHURCH. 'CAUSE WE'RE GROWING LIKE CRAZY. AND, UM, WE REALIZED AFTER, UM, AND HE'LL EXPLAIN IT, BUT WE REALIZED THAT WE, EVEN LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO SELL SOME PROPERTY THERE. AND, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO. AND, UM, UH, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLANT IT AND LIKELY REZONE IT. AND, UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WE'RE B THREE NOW, AND WE'D LIKE TO BE JUST LIKE THAT ONE NEXT TO US, WHICH IS I, I BELIEVE B ONE A ONE A B ONE A. SO I'M GONNA LET, RICK, UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR ME AT THIS POINT, I'M A REALTOR AND I HAVE OFFERED MY SERVICES TO HOPE FELLOWSHIP TO HELP, HOWEVER, AND THEY'VE PUT ME IN CHARGE OF HELPING TO DRIVE STUFF LIKE THIS AND, AND WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT THESE ARE THE GUYS THAT REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALL RIGHT. I'M GONNA LET RICKY STAND UP AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, RICKY WILLIAMS, UH, THREE 30 TIMBER CREEK DRIVE IN LAKE JACKSON. AND, UH, AS CASE SAID, I WAS ASKED TO LEAD THE PROJECT TO, UH, UH, LOOK AT AN EXPANSION AND A, UH, UH, REMODEL OF THE CHURCH TO MEET OUR GR OUR NEEDS. SO OUR CHURCH IS GROWING AT A, UH, A VERY GOOD RATE, AND WE ARE GONNA RUN OUTTA ROOM IN OUR CHURCH, UH, VERY SOON, UH, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE PANDEMIC. LOTS OF GROWTH. LOTS OF FAMILIES, LOTS OF CHILDREN, LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE COMING TO CHURCH AND FINDING THE LORD. UH, AND SO WE WANT TO BE PREPARED TO DO THAT. SO WE PUT TOGETHER A PROGRAM A COUPLE YEARS AGO TO GO STUDY. ARE WE READY TO TAKE ON THE CROWD THAT'S COMING? AND WE REALIZE WE'RE NOT. AND SO, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, WE STARTED A PROJECT TO, UH, LOOK AT HOW WE CAN GROW, UH, WITHIN THE CHURCH THAT WE HAVE. UH, AND SO WE HIRED A COMPANY CALLED DAY SPRING CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT COMPANY. THEY DO CHURCHES ALL OVER TEXAS, NONPROFITS, BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR OVER A YEAR. AND WE'VE COME UP WITH A CHURCH DESIGN FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE, UH, THAT ALLOWS OUR CONGREGATION TO GROW FROM THE 250 UP TO ABOUT THE 500 RANGE IN ATTENDANCE. AND SO WE, WE HAVE THAT PROJECT UNDERWAY. Y'ALL HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET BECAUSE WE'RE IN ENGINEERING. WE HA WE'RE NOT READY FOR PERMITS AND ALL THAT YET. BUT Y'ALL WILL SEE US SOMEDAY, UH, FROM A PROJECT STANDPOINT. BUT WE, UH, WE ALSO TOOK THE TIME TO DO A WHAT IF, WHAT'S THE NEXT PHASE AFTER THAT? HOW BIG COULD WE BE? AND WE'VE DONE THAT STUDY AS WELL. SO WE'VE DONE TWO CHURCH STUDIES AND EVEN A CHURCH THAT WOULD BE ABOUT THE LARGEST CHURCH WE WOULD EVER BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY. THERE ARE ALMOST THREE ACRES OF LAND THAT WE WOULD NEVER USE. THEY WOULD BE UNUSED, UH, NOW AND BE USED, NEVER BE USED BY US IN THE FUTURE. AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS A REVENUE SOURCE. UH, SO WE'RE WANTING TO SELL [00:05:01] IT. AND, UH, RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US IS A, A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING, ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, PROFESSIONAL SET OF BUILDINGS, UH, DOCTOR'S OFFICES AND ALL KINDS OF OFFICES. UH, THEY INQUIRED TO BUY THAT A A WHILE AGO WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING. AND WE DECLINED AT THAT TIME BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW IF WE NEEDED THE LAND OR NOT. BUT NOW THAT WE KNOW, WE DO, WE ARE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH, UH, MARK MONOCLE. HE'S INTERESTED IN IT. HE WANTS TO EXPAND HIS BUSINESS PART. AND, UH, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FITS PERFECTLY WITH, UH, UH, HIS PLANS, UH, TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE BUSINESS PART. WE DON'T NEED IT. HE DOES, HE WANTS TO EXP USE IT AND, AND WE DON'T NEED IT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO SELL IT. AND THOSE FUNDS WILL BE A PRIMARY BENEFIT TO US TO ALLOW US TO DO OUR GROWTH AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE COMING TO OUR CHURCH. SO IT'S A GOOD FIT FOR US. WHO SET THE SIZE? Y'ALL OR THEM? NO, WE DID, UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY, UH, THE SIZE IS, AND IT LOOKS LIKE A WEIRD NUMBER, RIGHT? WHY 2.83? BECAUSE WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE IMAGINED A BUILDING THAT WAS THE LARGEST BUILDING WE COULD CONCEIVE, EVEN BUILDING ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND IT'S A THOUSAND SEAT AUDITORIUM WITH CLASSROOMS FOR ALL THE KIDS THAT WOULD COME. AND ALL THE PARKING THAT IS NEEDED HAS BEEN DRAWN OUT. WE LAID IT ALL OUT AND WHEN WE GOT THROUGH, THERE WAS 2.83 ACRES THAT WE WOULD NEVER USE. AND SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ENSURE TO OUR CONGREGATION THAT WE WERE NOT SELLING SOMETHING THAT ONE DAY WE WOULD REGRET AND SAY, WELL, WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT. IF WE JUST DON'T NEED IT, WE'LL NEVER USE IT. AND WE KNOW THAT. SO, UH, WITH THAT WE FEEL LIKE IT'S, AND IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE 2.83 ACRES, THE PARKING LOT AND THE NEW BUILDING FITS THERE. PERFECT. THAT MIGHT NOT EVER HAPPEN. AND IF IT DOES, IT'S YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. BUT IF IT EVER DID HAPPEN, THAT'S A, WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW BIG LINE WE NEED. WE'VE DONE THE STUDY ALREADY. SO COULD Y'ALL SPECULATE ON DETENTION POND AREA JUST FOR THEIR PLANNING? WELL, WELL, BECAUSE WE REALLY DIDN'T GET INTO WHAT IT WAS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO. RIGHT. WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO SELL THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. UH, BUT NO, WE, WE DIDN'T GET INTO ANY DISCUSSIONS. WE ARE JUST LEARNING AS THEY'RE SPEAKING RIGHT NOW OF WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR ULTIMATE GOAL IS, OR WHAT A GOAL IS. AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT, UH, NICOLE JUST POINTED OUT. AND THAT THEY, THAT WE NEED TO POINT OUT TO THEM THAT THEIR PLAN, AS THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PLAN, THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING AS THE ULTIMATE PLAN FOR, YOU THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE DRAINAGE, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE SET FOR THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, WHATEVER NEW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS THERE. UH, THERE IS AND WILL WE WILL REQUIRE A DETENTION. A DETENTION, UH, UH, THE, THE AD TENSION REQUIREMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR DRAINAGE PROJECT THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IN YOUR OVERALL, YOUR OVERALL, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU NEED, ESPECIALLY BEFORE YOU AND THE DRAINAGE IS GOING BACK. YOU SAW, YOU SEE THAT DRAINAGE OF WHAT SEEMS YEAH, WE WERE, THAT GOES THROUGH, YEAH. WE'RE, UH, WE KNOW WE HAVE A LARGE DRAINAGE SYSTEM BEHIND US, USE DITCH SYSTEM BEHIND US AND TO THE SIDE OF THE LOT. AND SO WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO, UH, WE HAVEN'T, WE DON'T KNOW YET. I MEAN, WE DIDN'T, WE HAVEN'T GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE KNOW DO WE NEED DRAINAGE OR DO WE NEED RETENTION? UH, 'CAUSE OF THAT HUGE SYSTEM BEHIND US, THERE'S A LARGE DRAINAGE DISTRICT'S PART OF THE VELASCO DRAINAGE DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, TIED TO THE PUMP. SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY HAD THE COLLISION IN PLACE. THEY HAD TO HAVE A DETENTION POND. SO JUST GIVE YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN, IN OUR, IN OUR COST TESTAMENT FOR THE PROJECT, THERE'S ONE THERE. OKAY. SO WE KNOW IT'S A POSSIBILITY WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED IT, HOW WE NEED IT, HOW BIG IT HAS TO BE. HOW'S IT TIED TO THE DRAINAGE DITCH HAS NOT BEEN, WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT. WE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF ENGINEERING NOW, SO WE DON'T KNOW. MAINLY JUST THE AREA WOULD BE THE FOOTPRINT WHEREVER IT WAS. BUT I WOULD THINK IT'D HAVE TO BE CLOSE TO THE BACK AND YEAH, THE VE ALASKA DRAIN DISTRICT HAS A REQUIREMENT ON DETENTION FOR THEIR SYSTEM. NOW I UNDERSTAND IT DIDN'T USED TO BE THERE, BUT THEN THEY ESTABLISHED, I MEAN, THEY ACTUALLY SET THAT REQUIREMENT LA LATER ON. SO AS LONG AS YOU DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND MAKE IT WORK WITH YOUR PLAN. YEAH. AND I, WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT'S PROBABLY DOWN THE ROAD. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT ADDING, WE'RE ADDING VERY LITTLE CONCRETE. WE'RE NOT ADDING A LOT OF PARKING. 'CAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING ALREADY. BUT [00:10:01] FOR THE FUTURE, I THINK WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT CONSIDER. BUT FOR THE CURRENT PROJECT, WE ARE, LOOK, WE DO HAVE A DRAINAGE RETENTION IN THE SCOPE. IT'S JUST HOW BIG DOES IT HAVE TO BE FOR THE AMOUNT OF MM-HMM. , UH, HOW MANY PARTS? ALL THE, UH, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES DO YOU HAVE? 244. OKAY. SO FOR A THOUSAND, YOU IT'S THREE SPOTS. THREE SEATS PER CAR, I BELIEVE, OR THE YES. OKAY. YEAH. UH, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE CHANGED TOO, UH, AS THE PARKING ORDINANCE CHANGED. YEAH. SO I WOULD HAVE TO REVISIT THAT ONE. YEAH. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE DIFFERENT USES THAT PARTICULAR, UH, UH, FACILITY HAS, YOU KNOW, CLASSROOMS, UH, ASSEMBLY. OKAY. SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT BY PARKS AND THEN COME UP WITH A PARKING REQUIREMENT. IT IS NOT JUST BY SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING. YEP. JUST THROWING OUT THINGS TOO, SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING. UH, IS IT POSSIBLE THAT, UH, A DETENTION POND COULD BE SHARED BY THE TWO PROJECTS? BOTH THE 2.83 PLUS THE CHURCH AND YES. ANYTHING'S POSSIBLE. IF THERE'S, SO THAT MIGHT THERE AND, AND THE ECONOMICS WORK FOR BOTH? WELL, THEY WOULD SHARE WHERE THEIR FOOTPRINT COULD OR COULDN'T BE, BUT, YEAH. WELL, YEAH. LETS ALSO REMEMBER WE'RE A LONG WAYS FROM A, A BIGGER RIGHT. ALL WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, SQUARE FOOT IS GONNA, I WALK OVER TO HERE, WE REMODELING THIS BUILDING AND WE'RE ADDING AN EXTENSION THAT GOES OUT LIKE IN FRONT. OKAY. I'M GONNA SHOW YOU. WE DON'T HAVE THIS ONE, DID WE? DO WE HAVE THAT ONE? NO, YOU, NO, I TOOK THAT OUT SINCE YOU DIDN'T. SO WHEN WE MOVE HERE, HERE'S A LASER ESSENTIALLY JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. UM, IF YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE THERE, NOW WE HAVE A LITTLE BITTY SQUARE STICKING OUT RIGHT. WITH THE DRIVEWAY. AND THAT SQUARE'S GONNA BE EXPANDED TO REPLACE THIS. IT'LL COME OUT LIKE THIS. ALL THAT'S GONNA BE, YEAH. THAT'S ALL, THAT'S GONNA BE A GIANT CONTRAST. AND THIS IS ALL CONCRETE. I MEAN, WE NOT ADDING MUCH CONCRETE, ALL CONCRETE, NOW WE'RE JUST ADDING IT A LITTLE BIT WIDER. THIS WOULD YOU LIKE A MM-HMM. SOUTH. YES, SIR. WE'VE GOT, I THOUGHT WITH ANY FOOTPRINT CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO THE NEW DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS. YES. CORRECT. CORRECT. UH, THE CHANGING OF THE S PLAN ITSELF, IF THEY TOOK THAT PORTION, WOULD TRIGGER THAT IMMEDIATELY. ANY CHANGES THAT OCCUR IN THAT ONE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A RETENTION IN THE PROJECT. WE JUST DON'T KNOW YET. 'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN FAR ENOUGH ALONG THE PROCESS TO KNOW WHAT IS GONNA BE REQUIRED BY THE DRAINAGE DISTRICT. YEAH. I WOULD, I WOULD HEAVILY CONSIDER LOOKING INTO THAT BEFORE SIGNING THAT PROPERTY OVER. 'CAUSE YOU COULD BE BITING YOURSELF IN THE BUTT ON THAT ONE. WELL, WE HAVE, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO DO THAT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S JUST A FACT OF LIFE. YEAH. YEAH. THE OTHER THING'S PROBABLY CHANGED IS YOUR LANDSCAPING. YOU'RE PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF TREES TO SATISFY A LOCK TO SATISFY WHAT? THE TREE COUNT REQUIREMENT. OH NO, THE ORDINANCES. I UNDERSTAND. YEAH. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO REMEMBER. OKAY. AND, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SIDE PLAN, WHEN IT WAS FIRST APPROVED, CAME IN THERE AND THEY ACTUALLY SET OFF A RESERVE THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THEIR SITE PLAN. UH, IT WAS PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, GEARED FOR THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF FACILITY THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW. UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY'VE BEEN HERE TWICE, UH, TWO OR THREE TIMES. ONCE, UH, THEY ADDED PARKING ANOTHER, THEY ADDED AN ADDITIONAL, UH, ROOFING AREA TO THE BUILDING THE WAY IT IS. MM-HMM. LITTLE EXPANSION AREA THAT THEY HAD. SO THEY'VE ACTUALLY TO COME BEFORE US TO WATCH ALREADY ON THE SIDE PLAN. BUT THEY LEFT THE SITE A RESERVE. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY, UH, IT, IT'S A TWO MORE, FOUR, THREE ACRES. THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT, BUT THEY JUST LEFT IT ASIDE. DIDN'T COUNT IT IN THE SITE ITSELF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE APPRECIATE THE INPUT THOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DRAINAGE. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ZONING. IT LOOKS LIKE IN HERE. THE, WELL, ORIGINALLY WHEN, WHEN, UH, KATE FIRST APPROACHED ME, UH, SHE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. RIGHT. AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE TRYING TO SELL IT FOR. THEY WERE TRYING TO, I MEAN, THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO CHANGE IT TO, UH, SO, UH, I GAVE 'EM, UH, A HISTORY OF WHAT IT IS THAT HAD TO HAPPEN IN ALL THAT STRETCH OF ROAD ROADWAY, UH, UH, B ONE A AND THE C ONES THAT HAVE CHANGED THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT CORRIDOR. [00:15:02] BUT, AND ALSO THE IMPLICATIONS OF, OF GOING IN THERE AND WANTING TO HAVE JUST A REGULAR B ONE AND HOW THE RESISTANCE BY THE NEIGHBORS, UH, HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. SO I SAID, TAKE ALL THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN DECIDE WHAT TYPE OF ZONE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY. SHE CALLED ME AND OF COURSE, UH, SAID THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH, UH, MONOCLE, UH, ON THEIR B ONE TYPE OF FACILITY. AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ALLOTTED IN THE PAST. THEREFORE, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY FIND THAT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AMENABLE TO THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN AGAIN FOR EXPANSION AGAIN. SO NOW I THINK WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, IF I'M NOT, IF I DON'T PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, THEY'RE ASKING TO, UH, GO FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE THE PROPERTY FROM A B THREE, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS, INSTITUTIONAL NOW TO A B ONE A FOR PROFESSIONAL OFFICE USE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I DON'T REMEMBER US REALLY HAVING MUCH HEARTBURN ABOUT WHEN WE ZONED THAT. UH, NO. THERE WAS SOMEONE FROM DOW CAME THAT HISTORICALLY, THEY, THEY ENVISIONED ALL OF THIS TO BE CHURCHES AND RESEARCH. ORIGINALLY THE, ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, DEVELOPERS FOR PLANTATION VILLAGE, MR. COLE. PAUL COLE CAME IN HERE AND HE WAS OBJECTING BECAUSE HE WAS, YOU KNOW, HE, HE WAS OBJECTING TO OPENING UP IT FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. UH, PRIMARILY FOR ANY, ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, FAST FOOD OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT USUALLY BECOMES A PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY TRAFFIC. UH, BUT HE WAS OPEN TO THE, UH, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE SITUATION THERE. AND IF YOU DON'T, UH, RECENTLY, IF YOU REMEMBER THE CHURCH ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE, THE FAMILY LIFE CHURCH SOLD THAT PROPERTY. FAMILY LIFE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, CAME IN THERE AND DID IT, DID THE SAME THING THEY'RE DOING. IT'S JUST SELL THAT PROPERTY OR PARTITION THAT PROPERTY. A PORTION OF THAT. SO THEY COULD SELL IT TO TOO. YEP. STORING A SMALL KINGDOM. MM-HMM. . YEAH. SO IT'S CALLED HIS WAY OCCASIONALLY IT'S LAKE. RIGHT. SO THIS IS A SORT OF A REPETITION, UH, A REDO OF THAT SAME SITUATION THERE. UH, MS. ALLEN ALSO ASKED ME, ONE THING THAT I BROUGHT UP DURING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING IT INTO A, INTO A COMMERCIAL OR TO A BUSINESS TYPE OF A ZONE, WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD IN THE PAST FROM HEARTBURN WAS ADDING ANOTHER CUT THROUGH TO A TRACK THERE FOR, FOR BUSINESS PURPOSES. UH, AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING THAT YOU WOULD PROBABLY BRING, BRING UP FOR DISCUSSION TODAY, UH, IF ANY, IF YOU DECIDED THAT'S WHAT WAS A CONDITION FOR YOU. BUT THEN LATER ON SHE TOLD ME ABOUT THE INTEREST FOR MONACO AND THE FACT THAT HE ALREADY HAS A MAIN INTER A MAIN INTEREST INTO THAT AREA THAT WOULD NEGATE THE HA HIM HAVING TO HAVE ANOTHER CROSSOVER. RIGHT. EVEN IF HE DEVELOPED THAT WHOLE OTHER AREA. AND I SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT ALSO, YOU KNOW, SORT OF GIVES YOU A BIT MORE, MORE, UH, YOU KNOW, ACCEPTANCE THAN NOTHING ELSE. I WOULD IMAGINE HE'S GONNA WANT ANOTHER CUT THROUGH SURE. TO PARKING. AND I IMAGINE HIS EXISTING TENANT ARE GONNA ALMOST COMPLAIN VOCIFEROUSLY TO HIM IF THEY DON'T DO A CUT THROUGH. BECAUSE THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC GOING TO ANY NEW SPOT. LET'S JUST ASSUME MARK IS THE ONE THAT BUYS IT GOING THROUGH WHERE THEIR OFFICES ARE. 'CAUSE THERE'S PEDIATRICIAN OFFICE THERE. THERE'S YEAH. IT'S ALL SORTS OF THAT POSSIBLY COULD HAPPEN. YES. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT IS, IT'S REALLY WHENEVER IT DOES COME TO TO WHEN IT HAPPENS, THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD'VE TO TACKLE THAT PROBLEM. MM-HMM. AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD ALLOW IT. WELL, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE MARK MONOCLE'S THE ONE THAT DID THE PROPOSED PLAT. 'CAUSE I KNOW HIS EXISTING DESIGN STRUCTURE AND PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND BUILDING IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE HE, RATHER THAN THE CHURCH PLA PLA THAT . NO, NO, THAT'S, I'VE JUST SAYING, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE NO, IT IS NOT. YOU GOTTA HAVE A BUYER. WELL, BECAUSE FRANKLY, OTHER THAN HIM EXPANDING WHAT'S THERE, THAT'S GONNA BE AN INTERESTING LOT FOR ANYBODY TO BUY FOR ANYTHING ELSE. NOW HE'S THE LOGICAL PERSON. AND UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, UH, NOT IN OUR PLANS. YEAH. IF IT'S HIS, [00:20:01] HIS, UH, VISION AS WELL, THE FUTURE AND FITS OURS. SO SURE. AND WHAT HE DOES WITH CUTOVERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I HAVE THAT IS, THAT'S NOT, CHURCH ISN'T GONNA TRY AND, UH, GET INVOLVED IN HIS BUSINESS. THAT'S HIS BUSINESS. AND I'M SURE HE'LL APPROACH Y'ALL SOMEDAY WHEN HE NEEDS TO DO THE THINGS HE NEEDS TO DO. SO. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JEFF? NO, THANK YOU. HARRY? UH, NO. I THINK SO. NOTHING? NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONGRATS. LOOKS LIKE GOOD IDEA. WE NEED A MOTIONS FOR A PUBLIC. DOES THAT HOW IT WORKS? YEAH. YOU, YOU SAY, YEAH. YOU GRANT HIM A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN WE CAN START THE PROCESS. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? YEAH. MOVE TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE A 2.83 ACRE PORTION OF A 14 ACRE LOT. TWO OF THE PLANTATION VILLAGE, SECTION 13 OF THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE AT TWO 20 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO A B ONE BUSINESS. B ONE A, B ONE A BUSINESS. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. YES, SIR. SEEMED LIKE YOU'D WANT TO WAIT UNTIL YOU HAD THE BUYER TO DISCUSS ORDINANCE, UH, ZONING. WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO CONSIDER. BECAUSE ONCE IT DOES, WAS IT YOUR OBJECT TO HAVE A TO UH, ZONE THAT SO IT'S SELLABLE, A BETTER SELLABLE OR YEAH, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR DESIRE TO, TO, UH, TO REZONE IT SO IT'S ABLE TO SELL IT TO, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD EVER PROVE OF B ONE. NO. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH. ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD THUS FAR GO AHEAD. IS WE WANT, UH, IF NOT MARK, MONA, WE WANT A, WE LIKE HIM AS A NEIGHBOR AND WE LIKE THAT ZONE. 'CAUSE WE ARE THE SAME WAY AS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DON'T WANT SOMETHING CRAZY NEXT TO, TO THE CHURCH. WE FEEL THE SAME WAY AS THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT HELPS YOU SELL IT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. ALRIGHT. OKAY. IT MAKES US FEEL GOOD ABOUT DOING IT FOR THE WHOLE AREA. WE CARE ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORS. WE ARE, WE ARE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT GOES IN THERE IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO US AND WE'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THEM. AND THEY DON'T INTERFERE WITH OUR BUSINESS AND WE DON'T INTERFERE WITH THEIRS. AND A PROFESSIONAL BUILDING, WHETHER IT'S MARKS OR SOMEBODY ELSE, IS A GOOD FIT. SO YEAH. AND OUR PEOPLE ARE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD ARE PEOPLE IN OUR CHURCH THAT WANT TO SEE SOMETHING APPROPRIATE GO THERE. YEAH. SO ANOTHER THING I WOULD MENTION BASED KIND OF BACKTRACKING HOW YOU WERE MENTIONING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE AND THE TREES. THIS IS NEW TO US, THIS GROUP, I THINK, UH, PAST PEOPLE AT HOPE FELLOWSHIP HAVE DEALT WITH IT. BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DEALING WITH IT FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU TO HELP US KNOW WHO WE NEED TO TALK TO AND HOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND RESOURCES. SO WE APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS MOST PEOPLE ON THE THIS COMMISSION HAVE BEEN ON HERE A LONG TIME AND SEEN THE CHANGES. THE THING THAT WE CAN TELL YOU IS WE WILL BE, WE WILL GUIDE THE STAFF, BUT WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE IN LAKE JACKSON TO HAVE STAFF, MOST OF WHOM ARE HERE TO HELP YOU DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS RELATED TO DRAINAGE, TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS RELATED TO, UH, OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR ENOUGH PARKING, OUR REQUIREMENTS FOR TREES AND ALL THAT. THAT YOU CAN GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. YEAH. GOOD. GOOD. OKAY. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? WHO WAS THE SECOND? OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. JUST FULL YOUR INFORMATION. NOW, STATE LAW ENOUGH FOR US TO START THE PROCESS, WHICH WE WILL, WE WILL START BY, UH, RE UH, ADVERTISING IN THE PAPER. UH, I BELIEVE IT'S A MINIMUM OF TWO WEEKS, TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, UH, UH, ANNOUNCING A PUBLIC HEARING TO BE HELD HERE AT THE PLANNERS AND ALSO AT THE COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO HAVE A COMBINED PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S POSSIBLE OR NOT. I DON'T THINK SO. IT HAS TO BE OKAY. BUT EITHER CASE, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS HELD BY BOTH, UH, BY BOTH, UH, BODIES IN ORDER TO THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, GET YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE. IF THEY, IF THERE'S REALLY NO OBJECTION, THEN THERE'S NO MAJOR UPRISING BY ANYONE THAT COULD SWAY OTHER, THE COUNCIL NOT TO, UH, DO YOU SEND A LETTER TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 500 FEET? NO. AS A MATTER OF FACT, STATE LAW ONLY REQUIRES IT BE 200 FEET FROM THE TWO FROM THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF AS BEING, UH, REONE. SO, UH, IF WE TAKE, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE, UH, TOLERANT MORE, MORE THAN THAT, PRIMARILY [00:25:01] BECAUSE THERE'S A HUNDRED FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S, OR 150 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY THAT SEPARATES THE PROPERTY FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS. UH, BUT WE WILL NOTIFY ANYONE THAT'S IN, IN THAT GENERAL AREA, UM, BY, UH, LETTER AND ALSO IN THE PAPERS, RIGHT. SO THAT THEY'RE ALL AWARE OF THE MEETING AND AT THAT TIME THAT THE MEETING IS HELD. WE WILL NOTIFY YOU WHEN THAT IS. AND, UH, YOU COME OVER HERE AND DO THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING HERE AND, UH, HOPEFULLY, UM, BY THEN WE HOPE THAT, UH, THAT YOU CAN, UH, MEET THEIR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SATISFACTION ON THAT. IS THERE ANY ACTION ON OUR PART AS YOU DO THAT, THAT YOU LIKE, DO YOU NEED MONEY ? WE WILL. IS THERE A FEE OR IS THERE, WE'LL BE NOTIFYING YOU, OR MY OFFICE IS GONNA BE NOTIFYING YOU OF ALL THE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT BECAUSE WE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO PASS ON TO YOU THE COST OF ADVERTISEMENT DIRECTLY, WHATEVER THEY CHARGE US, THAT GOES TO YOU TO, TO PAY. AND OUR PROCESSING FEE IS VERY MINIMAL. UM, I MEAN, AS FAR AS WE'RE CONCERNED, IT'S VERY MINIMAL. AND, UH, NOW WE DON'T RETURN ANYTHING IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH NOW, THAT'S OKAY. WE JUST KNOW WE GOTTA WE GOTTA DO WHAT WE GOTTA DO. WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS. AND I THINK SALE. YOU'RE MY GUY, THIS YOUNG LADY. OH, THE, THIS MY, THIS YOUNG LADY HERE WILL BE, OKAY. YEAH. PARTNER. WHAT'S YOUR LAST NAME? WILSON. WILSON? MM-HMM. . OKAY. CAN I REACH YOU THE SAME NUMBER WHERE I CAN FIND HIM? YEAH. IN THE ENGINEERING OFFICE. 4, 2 4 1 7. OKAY. AND THE CITY COUNCIL DOESN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH US , SO, ALRIGHT, WELL, WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. YEAH. AND, UM, I KNOW YOU'LL LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT YOU. WE WILL. AND, UH, IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH ANYTHING MORE, FOR EXAMPLE, THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WE RAISED, CONCERN IS YOUR PLAN. TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL THOSE THINGS THAT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED, LIKE ADDITIONAL LAND FOR THIS DETENTION AREA. IF YOU WANT. NICOLE HERE IS OUR GO-TO PERSON ON DRAINAGE. OKAY. SO WHOEVER'S DOING YOUR DESIGN, ENGINEERING, WHOEVER IT IS, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO TOUCH BASE WITH HER, SHE WILL THEN TRY TO GUIDE THEM TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TAKE CONSIDERATION. I, I'M MEETING WITH THEM IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. I'LL GIVE, SHE WILL BE ENGINEERING. SORRY, MR. BACKGROUND ALSO. OH, THAT'S OKAY. ENGINEER. YEAH. YEAH. DIFFERENT ENGINEER AS WELL. WE'LL NEED THAT. COME HERE. ALSO GO THERE. SO GOOD DEAL. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. HAVE A GOOD ONE. YOU SO MUCH. [5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADMINISTRATIVE AND FINAL REVIEW OF LOTS 32 AND 33, BLOCK 6 OF PECAN LAKE ESTATES SUBDIVISION PLAT AMENDMENT FILED FOR FINAL APPROVAL AUGUST 6, 2024] OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ADMINISTRATIVE FILE REVIEW OF LOTS 32 AND 33 BLOCK SIX OF CON LAKE STATES SUBDIVISION PLA AMENDMENT FILED FOR FINAL APPROVAL. AUGUST THE SIXTH, 2024. DID YOU EVER GET AN ON THIS? SAY SO WE DON'T HAVE, I WOULD SAY TO ANOTHER OKAY. UNTIL HE TALK, GONNA DO ADMINISTRATIVE. NO, NO, I'D RATHER NOT. UH, THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S HANDLING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WE TRY TO GET HOLD OF HIM, UH, TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE HAD GOTTEN ALL HIS, ALL HIS, UH, QUESTIONS, UH, RESOLVED, UH, CONCERNING THIS THING, UH, CONCERNING THIS ISSUE. UH, BUT HE NEVER DID, UH, RESPOND TO US. SO AT THIS TIME WE WOULD WRITE, WE WOULD WRITE, UH, REQUEST THAT YOU THAT, THAT YOU JUST REMOVE THIS FROM THE, FROM THE DOCKET AND THAT WE ENTERTAIN IT LATER ON AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. OKAY? OKAY. WILL BE. [Items 6 & 7] ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM MIGUEL'S, UH, DISCUSSING CONSIDER ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF SITE PLAN. MEMO OF SPCA FACILITY AT 1 41 CANON LANE. OKAY. COME IN. IT'S YOUR, YOUR SHOW. OKAY. UH, JUST TO AS AN INTRODUCTION, MY NAME'S MIGUEL CETO WITH BAKER AND LAWS ENGINEERS. UM, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE PROPOSED LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL SHELTER. IT'S THE EXISTING SPCA BUILDING, UH, WHAT THE SPCA IS PLANNING. AND, UM, I'LL HAVE SEAN WITH ME, WHO'S THE ARCHITECT FOR THE PROJECT. UM, THIS [00:30:01] EXISTING BUILDING THEY HAVE IS WAY BEYOND CAPACITY. MM-HMM. OF THE ANIMALS THEY'RE HOLDING IN THE BUILDING. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GO IN THERE AND THERE'S ACTUALLY ANIMALS IN THE HALLWAY RIGHT WHEN YOU OPEN THE DOOR. MM-HMM. , UH, AND IT'S JUST, THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM. UH, THEY WANT TO ADD THIS BUILDING ADJACENT TO THEIR EXISTING BUILDING. AND THAT BUILDING THAT THEY'RE ADDING IS PURELY JUST DOG KENNELS. UM, THERE'S NO OFFICE SPACE. IT'S JUST, UH, ROWS OF DOG KENNELS FOR EXTRA STORAGE FOR THEM. UM, TO GIVE YOU IDEA, THE BUILDING, UH, WHAT WE HAVE HERE LABELED AS, UH, 10,000 SQUARE FEET, ABOUT 8,000 SQUARE FEET OF IT IS, UH, DOG SHELTERS. AND THEN 2000 SQUARE FEET OF IT IS AN OVERHANG, AN OVERHANGING, UH, CANOPY THAT THEY CALL A DOG RUN. UM, ON THIS SITE PLAN, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE ADDING THE BUILDING, WE'RE ADDING 12 PARKING SPACES TO THE PARKING LOT, UM, FOR THE PARKING LOT CALCULATIONS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT A SPECIFIC THING IN THE LAKE JACKSON CODE THAT SAYS PER CAR , YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DOGS DON'T, DON'T DRIVE UNLESS IT'S A SUBARU AND A SUBARU COMMERCIAL. BUT, UM, WE DO, WE DID ADD PARKING. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S FOR MORE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND BRING THEIR DOGS TO THE SPCA. BUT, UM, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCILS. I KIND OF BASE THE CALCULATION OF THE PARKING LOT, TREATING THIS EXTRA BUILDING AS A WAREHOUSE, YOU KNOW, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT A BUILDING. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE TO YOU OR IF YOU THINK I SHOULD LOOK AT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROVIDING FOR THIS. UM, THIS ISN'T A, A FINAL SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, UH, I'M REALLY OPEN TO ANY IDEAS THAT Y'ALL HAVE FOR THIS PROJECT. YEAH. SO ORIGINALLY, UH, I PUT IT, I PUT THIS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW. UH, BUT IN REALITY IT IS JUST A SORT OF A PRELIMINARY, PRELIMINARY, NOT EVEN AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW, TRY TO FINAL OR TRY TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT, THAT, UH, MIGUEL BRINGS INTO THE, INTO THE, UH, PARTICULAR BUILDING INTO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT THERE. UH, THE, UH, THE PRIMARY, UH, ISSUES THAT I JOTTED DOWN IN YOUR, IN THE MEMO TO YOU CONCERNING THIS THING, OF COURSE, DEALS WITH TWO MAJOR ITEMS. ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WAS INDICATED IN THIS THING. IT WAS SOMEWHAT CONFUSING, I WOULD SAY IT WAS CONFLICTING. ORIGINALLY THEY SHOWED 10,000, YOU KNOW, INDICATED IN THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT THERE. AND THERE HAD 8,000 OVER IN SOME OTHER PLACE THERE, WHICH THREW ME OFF ENTIRELY. UH, AND IT THREW THE, UH, FIRE MARSHAL ALSO BECAUSE THE FIRE REQUIREMENTS ON AN EIGHT THOU, ANYTHING OVER 8,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING REQUIRES IT TO BE SPRINKLED FOR FIRE PROTECTION. SO THAT RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW, ERASE THE FLAGS OF WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF CLARIFICATION ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. UH, THEY CAME BACK LATER. UH, BRETT BOES, UH, IN DISCUSSION WITH THE FARM MARSHAL TOLD HIM THAT BILLING ITSELF, EVEN THOUGH IT SAID EIGHT, UH, 10,000 ENCLOSURE, UH, IT, IN REALITY IT HAD ABOUT 7,900 AND SOMETHING CLOSE TO THE 8,000, UH, THAT WAS ACTUALLY ENCLOSED AREAS. AND THE REST UNDERNEATH THAT ROOF WAS ACTUALLY DUG DOG RUNS OR DOG KENNELS OR WHATEVER. AND I SAID, LOOK, IS IT, CALL IT WHATEVER IT IS, YOU NEED TO GIVE US A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HEARING ALL TYPES OF DEALS THERE. MIGUEL NOW IS, IS NOW SAYING THAT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, AND IT PROBABLY WILL BE THAT WAY. SO, BUT EITHER WAY, UH, THAT IS, THAT'S JUST RELATED TO FIRE, UH, FIRE SUPPRESSION, UH, THE PARKING ISSUE. THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT I, THAT I UNDER THAT UNDER UNDERSCORED OR HIGHLIGHTED IN MY REPORT IS RIGHT NOW, THE, UH, THE CURRENT BUILDING, THE WAY IT STANDS, IT HAS A, IF YOU WANT TO USE IT AS SPACES PER THE FULL SPACE, UH, FOOTPRINT, IT, IT EQUATES TO ABOUT TWO PARKING SPACES PER A THOUSAND. UH, WHEN YOU TAKE IN THE NEW ADDITIONAL FLOOR SPACE, I THINK THEY DROP IT DOWN TO ABOUT, I WANT TO SAY TO MORE THAN A HALF TYPE OF RATIO. SO WE DON'T [00:35:01] HAVE ANYTHING, LIKE MIGUEL SAID, THERE'S NOTHING IN THE BOOKS IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS WHAT IS THE REQUIRED FOR, FOR THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE. I MEAN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT, UH, YOUR, YOUR OWN ASSESSMENT ON, TO GIVE YOU COMPARISON, THE NEW, THE NEW PARK, THE NEW, UH, ANIMAL, UH, CONTROL BUILDING, THEY TOLD ME NOT TO SAY, WHAT'S THIS A SHELTER ANYMORE? IT'S AN ANIMAL PATROL FACILITY CALLS FOR THREE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES PER PER DOG, PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT . SO, UH, AND THAT'S, AND THAT, AND I ONLY USE THAT FOR COMPARISON. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THE ARCHITECT ON THAT BUILDING CAME UP WITH THAT, UH, COUNT ON PARKING. SO, YEAH, WELL, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, UH, FOR THE LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL SHELTER, UH, THAT ARCHITECT, UH, CALCULATED AN OCCUPANCY ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY CONTROL FACILITY. OKAY. UH, CALCULATED AN OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING, WHICH CAME DOWN TO 74 PEOPLE, AND HE CAME UP WITH A CALCULATION OF, UH, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. OKAY. BUT IT WASN'T BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. YEAH. UH, UH, SUZANNE DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER WAY OF GETTING US THAT THERE ARE SO MANY SPACES FOR SO MANY SQUARE FOOT OF BUILDINGS. CORRECT. I JUST THAT, THAT, THAT HASN'T COME BY. UH, THOSE PLANS HAVEN'T COME BY, BUT THE PLANS HAVE NOT COME BY NOW. WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THOSE PLANS. OKAY. UM, IT'S PRELIMINARY. UM, BUT YES, UM, IT'S JUST, JUST MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, THE SBCA, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK. THEY, THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK IN SOME SERIOUS CONDITIONS, . UM, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WHAT THEY PLANNED FOR ON THIS PROJECT WAS THEY'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO ADD MORE SPACES FOR THEIR DOGS. THEY'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PARKING THAT THEY WILL ADD HERE. IT DOES HELP. UM, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY IN EXCESS OF WHAT THEY NEED, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, WE, I MADE A CALCULATION FOR IT JUST TO SUPPORT WHAT WE DID OUT THERE. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S INHUMANE TO CONSIDER, UH, DOLL KENNEL AREAS AS A WAREHOUSE. I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT INANIMATE OBJECTS, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON WHAT YOU THINK THE PARKING SHOULD BE, WE'LL MAKE IT WORK. I WOULD BET WE'RE AMENABLE TO LOGIC . THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THING THAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS JUST TO HAVE SOMETHING. I THINK I NEVER DID AGREE WITH IT TOTALLY EITHER, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT. BUT WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT. IF, IF YOU MATCH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEN WE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US. THEY DECIDED. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING ELSE, WE CAN SAY IT'S AN EXCEPTION OR YES. YES. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO, TO RULE ON, UH, OTHER ISSUES. AND, AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN, I GUESS YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE THE DETERMINATION NOW YOU SO WISH I WAS GONNA CONTINUE ON AS FAR AS THE SITE, HOW THEY'RE PREPARING THE SITE NOW. THEY ARE NOW COMPLYING WITH, UH, THEY WILL BE COMPLYING WITH OUR DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPANDING THE SITE THAT THEY HAVE. THEY ARE TAKING OVER WHAT WAS, WHAT HAS BEEN DESIGNATED AS THE SPCA SITE THAT COMES WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY HAS WORKED FOR THE SPCA THAT THEY JUST RECENTLY, WELL, NINE IN 2023, THEY, UH, JUST SIGN UP. THEY RESIGN. UH, THE AGREEMENT THAT EXTENDED THE PERIOD OF THE OPERATION THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, NOT WITH THE, THIS EXPANDED, UH, TO, UH, TO, UH, TO RUN WITH THE, UH, DELIVERY OF THE, THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY BEYOND THAT ONE. THEY STILL GIVE THEMSELVES SOME, SOME LEEWAY TO BE ABLE TO, TO EXTEND THAT BEYOND THAT ONE, DEPENDING ON HOWEVER THEY WANT TO WORK IT OUT. SO THE AGREEMENT CALLS FOR THAT. THE AGREEMENT ALSO ALLOWS IT FOR THEM TO EXPAND THAT FACILITY, UH, AS LONG AS YOU, IT COMPLIES WITH OUR REQUIREMENTS AND YOUR, AND YOUR APPROVAL. SO THIS MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS THAT, UH, THAT, UH, THE AGREEMENT HAS. IS THAT INDICATING A SLOPE TOWARDS THE FACILITY OR AWAY? I CAN'T READ THE NUMBERS. IT'S GOING DOWN. BUT YOU SEE THERE IS THE OLD LANDFILL. MM-HMM, . OKAY. SO IT'S HIGHER THAN, IT'S HIGHER THAN THE, AND YOU SEE THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR PROP, UH, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE TO PUT IN [00:40:01] A, UH, BERM AT THE VERY, THE BACK OF IT, AT THE VERY TOP OF THE, OF THE BREAK OF, OF THE LANDFILL SO THAT THE WATER DOESN'T SHED INTO THIS PARTICULAR AREA. YEAH. AND ALSO, UH, REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT HAS TO BE RETAINED IN THE PROPERTY. WE'RE DOING THAT ONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR PROPERTY AND OUR DEVELOPMENT. SO, UH, ALL THE DRAINAGE IS GONNA BE, UH, THE WAY IT'S BEING COMPUTED OR, OR, YOU KNOW, DESIGNED IS GONNA BE, YOU, YOU NOTICE THAT WHAT AMOUNTS TO BE THAT CHANNEL THERE, THAT'S, THAT LOOKS LIKE A LITTLE, LOOKS LIKE, AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF DETENTION OR NOT. YEAH. THERE, THERE HAS TO BE DE DETENTION BASED ON THE AMENDMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THE 10 YEAR FREQUENCY TYPE OF STORM. AND IT HAS TO BE ALL CONTAINED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. UM, I HAVE THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. OH, THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY FIRM. IT'S GONNA BE ON THE GRADING SHEET. THAT ONE? YEAH. THAT, IS THAT 10,000 AIR CONDITIONED OR NO, FOR THE DOGS. OKAY. THE, WELL, WE DON'T AIR CONDITIONER PRISONERS. SO THAT WOULD, THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT IS UNDER ROOF, BUT THERE IS, THE INSIDE DIMENSION IS 7,982 SQUARE FEET. OKAY. THAT IS AIR CONDITIONING FOR, IT IS AIR CONDITIONING. OKAY. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. ONE ITEM THAT CAME UP FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MENTION TO YOU, IS A HOSE LENGTH. SO HE, HE NEEDS 150 FEET TO THE MID BACK THIS POINT RIGHT HERE. MM-HMM. . SO, UM, YOU SUGGESTED EXTENDING THIS PAVE AREA TO GET THAT HOSE AROUND THE BACK IF IT'S NOT SPRINKLER. YES. SO WHAT I CAN DO IS WE'LL, AT THE FIRE LANE TO THE SITE PLAN AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WIDEN THAT EXIT DRIVEWAY AND, UH, WE'LL WE WILL MAKE IT WORK WHERE WE GET THE 500 FEET CLEARANCE AROUND THE BUILDING FROM THE FIRE LANE. NO, HE HAS TO HAVE 150 FOOT ACCESS OR REACH TO ANY PART OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. CORRECT. SO BY YOU JUST PUTTING IN A LITTLE, UH, ENDAGE AROUND WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW TO GET TO YOUR 150 FOOT REACH TO ALL THE BUILDINGS WOULD PROBABLY SUFFICE? CORRECT. OKAY. THE TRASH, UH, DISPOSAL OF ANY CHANGE THERE OR, UH, I BELIEVE NOT. WHAT, WHEREVER THEY ARE DUMPING, UH, WHEREVER THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DUMPING THEIR, THEIR WASTE WILL PROBABLY BE THE SAME LOCATION. UH, GO AHEAD. SORRY. WONDER IF THERE'S ANY KINDA LAWS, YOU KNOW, DISPOSAL OF THE EXCREMENT AND SUCH. IS THAT SEPARATE FROM JUST REGULAR GARBAGE OR MM-HMM. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YEAH. YEAH. UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH OUR ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY PROJECT, AND THEY HAVE A SPECIAL TRUCK THAT COMES AND PICKS UP IN A SPECIAL WAY OF DOING IT SO THAT I KNOW WE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, YOU HAVE TO DO IT AT YOUR SITE. ACTUALLY, THERE MIGHT BE A WASH STAND SORT SIMILAR TO THE SEPTICS TO COLLECT ALL THAT AND THEN PUMP IT, ALL OF THAT. SO THEY'RE PROPOSING A GRINDER PUMP. THEY, THEY ARE GONNA HAVE A GRINDER PUMP. A GRINDER PUMP IS, WE REQUIRE A GRINDER PUMP PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE, OF THE WASTE STOP GENERATED THERE. THE SOLID WASTES THAT GENERATED THERE THAT'S WASHED DOWN AND EVERYTHING. AND ANYTHING THAT MAY GO INTO THAT PARTICULAR DEAL THERE. THE EXISTING FACILITY DOESN'T HAVE ONE. IT JUST HAS A STRAIGHT GRAVITY RUN THROUGH THERE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE MADE 'EM AND COLLECT BOTH BUILDINGS SO THAT IT'LL BE GROUND, UH, GROUND UP IF NEED TO BE GROUND UP AND PRESSURE FED INTO OUR SYSTEM, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE SAME SYSTEM WE HAVE FOR OUR FACILITY. OKAY. FOR OUR FACILITY. YOU MEAN THE OTHER BUILDING OR THE HAVING CONTROL BUILDING? . OKAY. WELL, UH, ONE, ONE QUESTION I I DID WANT TO ASK IS, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL SHELTER, SINCE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE PARKING LOT CALCULATION WAS BASED ON THE OCCUPANCY OF THE BUILDING. I THINK MAYBE JUST FOR CONSISTENCY BETWEEN BOTH PROJECTS, I THINK MAYBE BOTH PROJECTS SHOULD, YOU KNOW, CALCULATE WHAT THE OCCUPANCY IS AND THEN BASED THE PARKING LOT ON THAT. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION FOR, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TYPE OF USE AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, YOU'VE GOT THE STAFF AND THEN YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE ADOPTING. SO [00:45:01] CORRECT. WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS YOU ESTIMATE ON THAT? OR SEAN, WOULD YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE OCCUPANCY OF THE EXISTING NO, DUNNO IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OKAY. WE WOULD HAVE TO COVER IT. I WOULD THINK THAT'D BE A CRITERIA YOU'D LOOK FOR. YEAH, I WOULD THINK SO. JUST FOR, IT'D BE BEST FOR CONSISTENCY, YOU KNOW, FOR BOTH PROJECTS. MM-HMM. AND PROBABLY Y'ALL HAVE PROJECTS ADOPTED PET OR SOMETHING TODAY AND YOU HAVE A BIGGER CROWD AND YOU MIGHT THINK ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GET OVERFLOW PARKING. WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR FACILITY. WE DON'T DO THAT. YOU JUST GOTTA BE CAREFUL ABOUT THE DIRECTOR. YOU'RE HIGHER WITH THEIR ENTHUSIASM. THAT'S THE REASON WHY I CITY'S DOING THAT. OKAY. YEAH. WE HAVE A MOTION. WHAT IS OUR MOTION GONNA DO? WELL, I MEAN REALLY WHAT, UH, PROVE THE PRELIMINARY. IT'S UH, I MEAN, IN REALITY THIS IS NOT A PRELIMINARY, I MEAN, I, I WOULD GO THROUGH THAT. I WOULD JUST GIVE THEM WHATEVER FEEDBACK THEY, THEY'RE ASKING FOR, I THINK DISCUSSION. YEAH. AND IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH THEM TAKING, FOR THEM TAKING CONSIDERATION, THE, THE THE OCCUPANCY LOAD THAT THEY'RE, AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PROCEED WITH THAT OR THEY CAN PROCEED. DO Y'ALL AGREE OR, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE THING AT ALL. IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE. THE CITY IN COMPETITION WITH NO. A NONPROFIT, WELL, IT'S, IT'S, WE'RE NOT LIKING THE, SOME OF THE ANIMAL RULES OR SOMETHING. THE CITY. YEAH. THE CITY IS NOT. AND SO WE'RE LEASING THEM A BUILDING AND TURNING AROUND AND BUILDING OUR OWN BUILDING BASICALLY ON THE SAME PROPERTY. AND SO BOTH, BOTH ENTITIES ARE SPENDING MONEY LOOKING OUT THE SAME WINDOW AT EACH OTHER, A NONPROFIT AND A TAXING ENTITY THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND A NON-PROFIT IS BUILDING A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT ROOFTOP WITH A 7,900 AND SOMETHING SQUARE FOOT ENCLOSED BUILDING USING NON-PROFIT MONEY ON LAND CONTROLLED BY THE CITY, WHICH, IF I HEAR CORRECTLY, RIGHT NOW THEY HAVE A MONTH TO MONTH LEASE ON. THEY HAVE WELL, UH, RIGHT NOW. SO THEY'RE INVESTING IN RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE A LEASE THAT GOES UNTIL DELIVERY OF THE, OF THE NEW BUILDING, WHICH AT THE RATE THE NEW BUILDING'S BEEN GOING, WHICH HAS BEEN ALMOST SINCE I'VE BEEN ON PLANNING COMMISSION. CORRECT. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE, NOW THAT YONI'S GONE, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY JUST DON'T CRY. UNCLE . THAT'S WHY I SAID JUST DOESN'T MAKE AND LET THE SCA DO WHAT THE SBCA DOES IF YOU WISH. WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN BRING THE, UH, I MEAN THE POWERS THAT BE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THE REASONING, WE'D LOVE THAT USED. AND WE CAN DO THAT ACTUALLY, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE NEXT MEETING. THEY DON'T CONTROL FACILITY. WE'LL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING OF WHICH MEETING OF COUNCIL? THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, THE NEXT THAT THE NEXT PLANNER MEETING. AT THE NEXT PLAN MEETING. MM-HMM. OKAY. WELL WE CAN THEN, UH, BRING THAT FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND YOU CAN ASK THEM YOUR HEART'S CONTENT. WHAT IS IT THAT THEY'RE USING, WHY, WHAT LOGIC THEY'RE USING. I RECOGNIZE THAT ONE IS NOT TO BE AN ADOPTION FACILITY. CORRECT. ONE IS TO TAKE IN ANIMALS, TRY TO FIND THEIR OWNERS, REACH OUT TO THEM, MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE DISEASE OR AGGRESSION AND STUFF. AND THEN WHEN THEY'RE THROUGH WITH IT, DURING THEIR HOLD PERIOD IN THEORY TO PUT THEM WHERE THEY CAN BE UP FOR ADOPTION. BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT'S WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE USING THE SPCA TO DO RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I, I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. IT'LL BE GOOD. IT'LL BE A GOOD, GOOD INTERESTING MEETING. YES. 'CAUSE IT'S SOMEBODY WHO USED TO BE ON THE BOARD OF THE SPCA WHO WENT CROSSWISE WITH PEOPLE BOTH WITHIN THE CITY AND WITH THE THEN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR HAD MADE THE MISTAKE OF SUBMITTING A RESIGNATION ONE TOO MANY TIMES WHILE I WAS ON THE BOARD. UH, YOU KNOW THE HISTORY. I KNOW THE HISTORY. . WELL, I DON'T, SO THAT'S INTERESTING. DON'T ASK FOR SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW. DON'T MAKE THREATS. YOU DON'T EXPECT SOMEBODY TO PICK UP AND PICK. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT THAT ADAM IS GETS INTO YOUR NEXT MEETING. AND I MEAN, I, WHAT YOU'RE DOING I THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE. I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS LOGIC AS A NON-PROFIT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING, I, I'VE KEPT MY HEAD IN THE SAND SINCE THEY DO GONE ANYWHERE AND GOTTEN ANYTHING DONE. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING WHAT IS THE CITY DOING NOW. BUT I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF WHAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO DO WAS NOT TO COMPETE WITH THE SBCA. NO, IT WAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE CITY'S, BUT I JUST COULDN'T FIGURE OUT THE LOGIC OF WHY WE'RE DOING IT. I DON'T THINK. IS THERE ANY CARE A PARALLEL TO THE MUSEUM THAT WE BUILT THE BUILDING ON [00:50:01] CITY PROPERTY AND THEN GAVE IT TO THE CITY SO THEY HAD TO MAINTAIN IT? IS THAT SIMILAR TO THIS OR NO? NO. OKAY. SPC A'S BEEN MAINTAINING, DOING EVERYTHING THE CITY PAYS THE SPCA RIGHT NOW, A YEARLY BASIS, A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DO WHAT THEY'RE DOING FOR THE CITY'S ANIMALS. RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO DO WE WANNA HOLD ANY MORE COMMENT ON THIS SITE PLAN UNTIL WE, UNTIL NEXT TIME? WELL, AS FAR AS THERE'S THIS PARTICULAR SIDE THING. YOUR, I MEAN, YOUR FEEDBACK ON WHAT IT IS THAT THEY NEED TO CONSIDER TO FURTHER THAT THIS PLAN, UH, IS ENOUGH. I THINK WE'VE GIVEN YOU THAT GUIDANCE. YES, MARK CRYSTAL CLEAR. AND FOR THOSE OF US WHO GO IN THERE, IT, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE FOR THE ANIMALS. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME BREATHING ROOM. OKAY. LET'S MOVE ON TO THE LANDSCAPE THEN. AND, UH, THE LANDSCAPE. , DID ANY OF THE TREES BLOW DOWN ? SO, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, GOOD THING IS WE'RE LEAVING A LOT OF GRASS ON THE SITE. , WE ARE TAKING DOWN SOME TREES UNFORTUNATELY, BUT, UM, WE'RE LEAVING MOST OF THEM THERE. WHO DREW THOSE? WHO DREW THE PLAN? YOU YES, I DID. THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT ON THAT. OKAY, WELL THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. YEAH. THERE'S NO REASON TO TAKE OUT THAT. WHAT 48 INCH TREE ON THE CORNER THERE. WHICH CORNER? THE BOTTOM RIGHT CORNER IS LIKE A 48 INCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S A DRAINAGE DITCH. 4 1 5. ONE FIVE AT THE CORNER OF THE BUILDING IS A 48 INCH LIVE OAK SOUTHEAST CORNER. ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS MOVE THAT CHANGE YOUR, INSTEAD OF DOING A SQUARE OR WHATEVER YOU DID, YOU DO MORE RECTANGLE AND TAKE THAT. OKAY. AND THEN THOSE TWO THERE IN YOUR NEW DITCH, YOUR DITCH COULD BE WIGGLED AROUND. THEY CAN LOOK AROUND THAT ONE. THAT'S A SHALLOW DITCH. THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE. WHAT ABOUT THE ELEVATION OF THE SLAB, UH, ON THOSE TWO TREES THAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER LEAVING? ELEVATION OF THE S IS THIS ONE OF THE DEALS WHERE YOU'LL RAISE THE, UH, ELEVATION ANYWAY AND KILL THE TREE? SO, SO MOVING THE DITCH IS NOT A PROBLEM. WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT AND PLAN FOR IT. UM, UH, I'LL LET SEAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE COULD DO TO THE CORNER OF THAT BUILDING TO GET MORE ROOM FOR THAT TREE THERE. I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, UM, I'M SURE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NATURE, WHAT THE CONTOUR OF THE LAND IS THERE AT WHAT YOU FINISHED FOR ELEVATION AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME IS, UH, THAT WILL HAVE A BEARING. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A, UH, 10 FOOT ELEVATION. IT'S A 10 FOOT ELEVATION. AND THE PROPOSED, I DON'T KNOW, SOME BETWEEN THE BUILDING WILL BE AT 12 TWO. WELL, YES. OKAY. SO HE'S GONNA HAVE TO BUILD TWO FOOT OF THAT GENERAL AREA. SO YES. UNLESS HE RELOCATES THAT BUILDING SOME OTHER PLACE OR, OR MAKE SOMETHING THERE NOTCH AS THAT BUILDING, UH, IN A FORM OR FASHION THERE. SO HOW TALL IS THE BUILDING? I DUNNO, HOW TALL IS THAT BUILDING? 15, 20 FEET OR IT'S IN THAT RANGE? I DUNNO OFF HEAD. I'M SORRY. I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE DRIP LINE FOR THE TREE. I I MEAN IF IT YES, CORRECT. I MEAN, THE DRIP LINE OF THE TREE IS ALSO GONNA BE IMPACTED BY BUILDING THAT CLOSE. YES. WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER HEB TREE. OKAY. WHERE Y'ALL SAVED IT IN THE ISLAND AND BOTH OF DIED. YOU'RE GOING A LOT EASIER MIGUEL, IF YOU'D FIGURE OUT TO SAVE SOME OF THOSE TREES. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, WHEN WE HAD INITIALLY PLACED THE, THE PROPOSED BUILDING, IT USED TO BE A LOT CLOSER TO THAT EXISTING BUILDING, BUT THEY HAVE THAT CONCRETE SLAB WHERE THEY HAVE A LOT OF STORAGE THERE. YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN TRY TO REWORK THE BUILDING, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO JUST PUSHING THAT BUILDING BACK CLOSER TO THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN MOVING THAT STORAGE AREA ANOTHER SPOT. VERY GOOD. I I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER THAN, YOU KNOW, SEAN GOING BACK TO ALL THE OTHER ENGINEERING DISCIPLINES TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE TO CUT THIS BUILDING SO WE, WE, WE YEAH, IT'LL, IT'LL CUT. IT WILL CAUSE SOME PRIZE ON YOUR UTILITY LINE. YEAH. , BECAUSE YOU GUESS YOU GET CLOSER TO THE OTHER BUILDING, SO YOU'LL SAVE MONEY THERE. UH, THE, UH, THIS IS A VERY PECULIAR OR SITUATION. THERE IS THE FACT THAT THIS IS CITY ON LAND AND THEREFORE ALL THE FACILITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, INCLUDING THIS SPCA, NEVER HAD A LANDSCAPE . OKAY. [00:55:02] PARADOXICALLY, UH, THEY GOT BUILT, THEY TOOK WHATEVER TREES THEY HAD, THEY HAD TO TAKE DOWN AND THEY DIDN'T PUT ANY ELSE, ANY OTHER TREES BACK IN THERE. UH, THIS IS THE SAME SITUATION NOW, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE RULES OF THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. UH, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S NEEDED OR NOT. YOU KNOW, I, I HAD MIXED FEELINGS ON WHETHER, YOU KNOW, ON WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY NEEDED A, A LANDSCAPE PLAN BEING THAT THE OTHER ONES DIDN'T REQUIRE. NOT EVEN THE NEW BUILDING, UH, WAS, WAS REQUIRED A LANDSCAPE PLAN. BUT, UH, BEING THE FACT THAT THIS IS, IT IS NO MAN'S LAND, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO REALLY, UH, CONSIDER THIS. SPEAKING OF WE CAN, WE CAN, AND IN THE, IN THE TREE SITUATIONS, LIKE EACH HAS MADE A COMMENT THERE, THEY CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO, TO REDUCE LESS TREES. SPEAKING OF NO MAN'S LAND, HOW FAR SOUTH BEFORE YOU GET INTO NO MAN'S LAND ON THE LANDFILL? THE LANDFILL, UH, HOW FAR ARE THE, IS THE TOW OF THAT IT SHOW THE SLOPE THERE? I ASSUME THAT'S MUCH A BACK FILL. YOU DON'T GET TO THE ACTUAL LANDFILL FOR SOME DISTANCE. YES. CORRECT. CORRECT. I MEAN, THAT IS JUST BACK FILL. OKAY. THERE WAS A DISTANCE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH BECAUSE YOU CAN SPEAK TO YOUR EXPERIENCE. WHAT NOW? THE BOUNDARY LINE, THE BOUNDARY LINE OF THE TRACTOR WAS ASSIGNED WAS, HAS, HAS ALREADY BEEN DETERMINED OR HAS BEEN SET? YEAH. SO, UM, I KNOW THERE'S NOT DISTANCES HERE, BUT WE HAVE A CONTOUR ELEVATION ON THIS SITE. BUT THE, THE CAP OF THAT LANDFILL IS RIGHT WHERE THAT, UH, 11 FOOT CONTOUR IS. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT VARIES. IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE, BUT WHERE YOU SEE THE 11 FOLLOWING THAT CONTOUR IS WHERE, UH, THE END OF THE CAP IS FOR THE LANDFILL. DO WE KNOW IF THAT CAP IS STILL WORKING, STILL WORKING OUT? IS IT SEALED? IS IS THERE SOME KIND OF MONITORING? NO, NOT ANYMORE. THAT, THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY ABANDONED. I MEAN, DECLARED ABANDONED LANDFILL. SO DOES THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH WITH WHAT'S GOING? NO, BECAUSE IT WON'T, IT WON'T GO INTO THAT LANDFILL AREA. AT LEAST THE, THE IMPACT THE, UH, DISTURBED AREAS WON'T GO INTO. JUST LIKE OUR BUILDING WON'T GO, GO INTO THAT LANDFILL. WHAT ABOUT RUNOFF FROM, THAT'S WHY THEY ARE PROPOSED DITCH TO PUT IN A BERM RIGHT THERE ON THE VERY TOP IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE RUNOFF COMING FROM THE, FROM, FROM THE, UH, HIGH SIZE A BERM IS JUST A HIGH REACH, IT'S JUST A CORRECT. IT'S JUST A MOUND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, MATERIAL THERE THAT WILL PREVENT THAT AND REDIRECT. SO IT ACCUMULATES WATER ON THIS SIDE. IT'LL, IT'LL BE TAKEN TO THE NEAREST, UH, DISCHARGE POINT, WHICH IS ALL OVER RIGHT AT THAT LOCATION. OKAY. AND WE OURSELVES HAVE A DETENTION AREA ON OUR DIFFERENT, ON OUR BUILDING, WHICH THAT T THAT YOU SEE IS OUR PROPOSED ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. AND THAT DETENTION ALSO, YOU KNOW, ALSO IS, IS CONNECTS WITH THE EXISTING, WITH THE PROPOSED SPCA IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, TAKEN CARE OF IN THAT DETENTION AREA. FOR, FOR BOTH PROPERTIES. FOR BOTH PROPERTIES. IT WAS SIZED. MIGUEL SIZED THAT ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED TO PROVIDE FOR THAT FOR BOTH PROPERTIES. HOW DO WE ESTIMATE HOW FAR HE'D HAVE TO MOVE TO PROTECT THAT TREE? WELL, I MEAN, UH, IF YOU GO BY THE, UH, TRIP LINE OF A TYPICAL OAK OR IF YOU GO BY WHAT YOU SAID THE, UH, GOING BY THE CANOPY, YOU KNOW, WHICH USUALLY IS WHAT PEOPLE DETERMINE TO BE THE EFFECT, THE ZONE OF EFFECT ON THE, ON THE ROOF SYSTEM. OKAY. SO HE CAN SEE IF THAT'S FEASIBLE. SEE WHETHER THAT'S GONNA BE FEASIBLE OR DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING MORE INNOVATIVE THAN THAT. SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AREA WOULD BE LIKE A 2% SLOPE OR SOMETHING. YEAH. UM, YOU, YOU CAN BUILD INTO THE, THE ROOT ZONE OF A TREE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAIN PART IS YOU DO NOT WANNA WRAP AROUND THE WHOLE TREE. YOU KNOW, IF MY, MY GUT FEELING IS IF WE MOVE THE BUILDING WHERE IT'S AT LEAST 25 FOOT AWAY FROM THAT TRUNK YEAH. THAT TREE'S GONNA HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE [01:00:01] OF SURVIVING 'CAUSE OKAY. IT'S ONLY ON ONE SIDE OF THE TREE. WE'RE NOT COVERING UP THE REST OF THAT CANOPY. SO, SO 25 FOOT IS CORRECT. ACCEPTABLE GUIDELINE POSSIBLY FOR YOU. YES. THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE. AND UH, BUT YEAH, JUST TO FOLLOW UP, YOU KNOW, WHEN I DID DO THIS LANDSCAPE PLAN, YOU KNOW, I JUST LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, JUST, BUT IS OF COURSE, IS IT A HARDER ONE? THE THE TOP ONE THERE. BUT IF, IF YOU WANT US TO FOCUS MORE ON RESPECTING, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST TREE ON THE PROPERTY, WE CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT. SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. AND UH, THAT WAY IT WOULD ALSO HELP YOU WITH THE, THE DOG RUN THERE. THAT WAY THE DOG, THE DOGS CAN, CAN USE THAT TREE THERE. . OKAY. . THEY'RE GOOD IDEAS. , THEY'RE ALL GOOD IDEAS, SO, ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. BUT ANYWAY, UH, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, UH, I REALLY DIDN'T KNOW HOW FAR I, I COULD PUSH THEM TO, TO HAVE OUR ATYPICAL ALASKA PLAN. LIKE WE ASKED ANYONE SINCE WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, WE'VE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE. OURSELVES. FOR OURSELVES, OURSELVES, SORT OF, WHY SHOULD WE DO THIS TO THESE PEOPLE? , THEY'RE ALSO ON A SHOESTRING ALSO, LIKE WE ARE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA BE ASKING THEM TO PUT IN A DETENTION A, UH, SCREEN ALONG THE PA ALONG THE, ALONG THE DRIVEWAY FOR THE PARKING. OH YES. I MEAN, TO ME THAT'S JUST AN OVERKILL THAT I, I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT ON DOWN. BUT IF THEY COME UP AND LEAST DEVELOP A, A LANDSCAPE PLAN, I MEAN, THAT'LL BE FINE WITH ME. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. I KNOW YOU WALK IN ORDERS NOW. YEAH, I GOTTA TEAR EVERYTHING UP AND START ALL OVER FROM SCRATCH, BUT BURN IT ALL. I'LL GET IT DONE. . DARN. BUT WE WILL BE BRINGING, UH, THE MAIN QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY MR. TYLER, WHICH IS WHY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MIGUEL. THANK YOU JUDGE MIGUEL. THANK YOU. [8. SIGNATURE OF DOCUMENTS] VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING TO SIGN? SO, UH, NO, NOT, UH, NO WE DON'T. SINCE I TOOK THE OTHER ONE OFF OF YOUR, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEETING, NEXT TIME YOU'LL HAVE THAT ALONG WITH YOU'LL HAVE THE EXPLANATION BY THE POWERS THAT BE CONCERNING , THE REASONING AND UH, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE. WE'LL PROBABLY BE BRINGING YOU UP. WE'LL, WE'LL JUST TALK ABOUT IT IN THE, IN YOUR NEXT, I [9. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] THINK I'M GONNA BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY AT THE NEXT OUT THE COMMUNITY INTERESTS. K PLEASE TAKE . WHAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY AUDIENCE? YOU SAID, I THINK I'M GONNA BE OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND I SAID, PLEASE TAKE ME WITH YOU, JEFF . NO, I, I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT, AND I SEE REAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE COLLECTION OF DEBRIS AND I JUST, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB KIND OF WONDERING ON WHAT WE AS A CITY CONTROL OUR PARKWAYS ALONG THE FEEDERS AND ALL THAT, THAT SOME OF THOSE TREES CAN JUST BE GUY WIRED AND PUT RIGHT BACK WHERE THEY WERE. THEY'RE JUST KIND. I HAD ONE IN, IN MY, UM, BACKYARD THAT JUST FELL ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND. IT'S ABOUT A 15-YEAR-OLD OAK AND WE HAD A GROUP THAT CAME BACK THERE AND GUY WIRED IT AND IT'S BACK UP RIGHT WHERE IT WAS NO REASON TO PURCHASE ANOTHER ONE AND IT'S BACK. SO I WAS JUST KIND OF WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL DO TO THE ROOT STRUCTURE. WELL, WHEN YOU TEAR A HALF OF THE ROOT STRUCTURE OUT, THE, THE MAIN THING, THE MAIN THING IS THAT, UH, THE WAR WITH, TO DO ALL THAT, FIRST OF ALL, THE CITY IS DEPENDING ON FEMA AND FEMA WILL NOT PAY FOR THAT. FEMA WILL TAKE FOR REMOVAL. OH, THEY WILL NOT. OKAY. AND THEY, AND YOU REALLY HAVE TO. I SEE. SO NO, THEY, THEY, THEY WON'T DO THAT. FEMA IS WILLING TO GO INTO ALL THOSE SPARKS THERE AND TAKE ALL THOSE, UH, AND FEMA IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT REMOVAL. AND THE, UH, CITY HAS ALREADY NEGOTIATED WITH THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING ALL THE, UH, REMOVAL RIGHT IN THE, IN THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL AREAS TO MOVE INTO THE PARKS. NOW, NOW THAT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINISHING UP ON THAT FIRST PASS AROUND THE CITY, THEY WILL BE MOVING INTO THE PARKWAYS, INTO THE PARKS AND DOING THAT CLEANUP OF ALL THAT AND ALL THOSE TREES AND TRUNKS. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. SO THEY'RE GONNA BE GOOD. THANK YOU. [01:05:03] ANYTHING ELSE, GREG? NO, SIR. JEFF, I THINK WHAT THE CITY'S DONE IN TERMS OF CLEANUP, 'CAUSE TEMPER CREEK WAS HIT HARD AND THERE'S STILL SOME STUFF'S DONE. AMAZING. I JUST NOTICED 'CAUSE I WAS WATCHING A FAMILY PULL UP AND THEN PULL AWAY. UH, AND I DON'T KNOW WITH ALL THE RAIN THAT'S BEEN GOING ON, BUT LIKE THE MOWING OF LIKE SOME OF THE PARKS FOR THE KIDS, ARE THEY ABOUT TO GET BACK TO DOING THAT NOW THAT THE, BECAUSE THE TIMBER CREEK PARK, THE BRAND NEW BEAUTIFUL PARK, IT'S LIKE 18 INCHES HIGH GRASS. SO, I MEAN, I HOPE THEY CAN GET TO IT. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS WAS. I JUST SAW THEY STARTED MOWING SOME. WELL, MAYBE THEY'RE GETTING TO IT. OUR TYPICAL CONTRACTORS, OUR REGULAR CONTRACTORS ARE STARTING TO WALK WORK INTO THOSE AREAS. YEAH. I MEAN IT'S AMAZING TO ME WHAT THEY'VE DONE. I JUST WAS WORRIED BECAUSE IT'S SO BETWEEN MOSQUITOES AND SNAKES OVER IN THAT PART OF EVERYTHING, I WANNA GET OVERGROWN WHERE FAMILY STOPPED USING IT WITH THEY ARE USING YOU TALKING ABOUT THE LANDFILL THAT WE WERE TALKING, JUST TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW. DROPPING ALL THESE LOADS THERE AND THEY'RE PROCESSING THOSE LOADS THERE, CHIPPING THOSE LOADS SO THEY CAN TRANSFER THOSE OVER TO THE LANDFILL. OKAY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A TRICKY WORK. DO WE SELL THAT? YOU CAN'T GIVE IT AWAY? NO. YOU HAVE TO PAY AND, AND THAT, AND FEMA WILL NOT PAY YOU IF YOU USE IT FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE. THEY WILL NOT PAY FOR THE PICKUP OR ANYTHING OF THE PROCESS. YOU HAVE TO DISPOSE OF IT. SO IF THEY HAVE RULES, THEN WE HAVE JUST HIRED SOMEBODY TO JUST KEEP US AND KEEP THE FEMA RULES IN COMPLIANCE. AND IN COMPLIANCE. YEAH. WE JUST HIRED SOMEBODY TO JUST DO THAT ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS IN ORDER FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET PAID SOMETIME YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO ALL THESE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CITY, DON'T ASK ME. NO, I AND NOT JUST THE, NOT THE CITY, THE CORPORATIONS AND SUCH. YEAH. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO REQUIRE ALL THOSE TREES THAT WERE TO BE REPLACED? , I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY, I SAID, WHAT DO WE DO NOW? ABSOLUTELY. I'LL BET YOU YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE RULES. 30 OR 40% OF THEM ARE GONE. YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THOSE RULES. WHAT DO YOU DO NOW WITH ALL THOSE? I'M NOT THAT OLD. I, I'M TOO OLD FOR THAT EXCUSE THE OTHER WAY. I MEAN, ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE THE RULES NOW BECAUSE OF CERTAIN CONDITIONS LIKE THIS? I THINK WE'LL BE INTERESTING. MAYBE THE THOUGHT IS OKAY, THEY'VE BEEN TAKEN DOWN NATURALLY AND THEY'RE GONE. OKAY. BUT THEN IF SOME BUSINESS OR SOMEBODY THEN WANTS TO DO SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES 'EM TO COME BACK HERE YEAH. FOR A NEW LANDSCAPE, LANDSCAPE PLAN, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIX WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO THEN AND THEN REPLACE WHATEVER. YES. AT LEAST BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING HISTORICALLY. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE BAD NEWS. YES. HARRY, ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I WANNA SEE WHERE THAT GOES. YEAH, , I DON'T KNOW. HOPEFULLY WE'RE BOTH AROUND HARRY , BUT YOU GOT A BETTER CHANCE THAN THAT. SO I'M SURE I'VE ENJOYED THE FLASHING RED LIGHTS. KEEP 'EM UP. , YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE HAPPY FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME FROM NOW. THAT'S YOUR IMPROVED. HAS THERE BEEN MORE OR LESS WRECKS AT INTERSECTIONS? OH NO, THERE HAVEN'T. SURPRISINGLY MOST PEOPLE RESPECT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW UNDER SCHOOL CONDITIONS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD IT UNDER SCHOOL CONDITIONS. WELL, WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT THAT'S GONNA BECOME A PROBLEM AREA AT SCHOOL. AT BRASSWOOD, AT THAT INTERSECTION OF THE DIXIE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE WORST ONE. THE THAT'S GONNA BE THE WORST TEENAGE DRIVERS. THAT'S GONNA BE OUR ELDER PEOPLE. , SAME DIFFERENCE. SOMETIMES I ORDER BOTH HANDS. I'VE SEEN ALL PRETTY S****Y ANYTHING. NO, NOTHING. I THOUGHT YOU HAD A GOOD QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE SBC. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, IT JUST, IT BOGGLES MY MIND THAT MONEY GOING LIKE THIS. AND THEY'RE BASICALLY THE SAME EXACT THING EXCEPT ONE DON'T KILL AND ONE'S NOT QUITE GOT BLOOD SEETHING FROM THEIR MOUTH. BUT , , COTTON , MATTHEW , HOW DO I FOLLOW THAT UP? UM, HOW'S OUR WE SIDE PROJECT GOING IN THE MOST WONDERFUL APARTMENTS BEHIND BUCKY'S GOING , THE TWO ITEMS. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE TWO ONES THAT I WAS THINKING, [01:10:01] OKAY, WAS THIS STORM AND WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THAT, IN THAT PROPERTY THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, THE TREE I IS GONNA BE. AND THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN APPROVED ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AS FAR AS THE TREES. OH MY GOD. THEY'VE LOST ALL THE TREES THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PUT IN THE PLANT. THERE'S NOT A ONE TO BE HAD. SO THAT'S GONNA BE ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA BE WANTING TO COME DOWN HERE AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO GIVE US APPROVAL. YOU NEED TO GIVE US A OCCUPANCY ON THIS THING. AND WE'RE GONNA SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, DEAR. I GOT A CALL FROM A LADY THAT FAX IN TO THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, ONE OF THE TREES THAT WAS THERE ON THE SO-CALLED NO TOUCHSTONE. YEAH. FELL. YEP. FELL INTO INTO YARD, BROKE THE FENCE, UH, TORE THE FENCE DOWN. EVERYTHING. OF COURSE, SHE BECAME UNWOUND. UH, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, YOU KNOW, FOR MANY REASONS. UH, SO, UH, THEY CALL, I CALLED THE BILLING OF OFFICIAL AND SAYS, GO OUT THERE AND TRY TO SEE WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO, TO, UH, YOU AT LEAST, UH, GET THE FENCE OFF LUXURY AND NOTHING ELSE AND WILL CAUSE THE BRIDGE WHENEVER, GET DOWN TO THE TREES. BUT THE SAME THING ON THE, ON THE LAKEWOOD SIDE OF THINGS. LAKEWOOD. NOW THEY HAVE, I MEAN AS FAR AS WE CAN TELL, THEY DID NOT SU SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF TREES COMING DOWN ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. WHAT HAPPENED THERE IS THAT SOME OF THE TREES THAT WERE CALLED TO BE SAVED OR TO BE, UH, PART OF THEIR PRESERVED YEAH, YEAH. CONSERVED THERE, UH, DIED DURING THE PROCESS. AND THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE, THOSE, THOSE TREES TO BE TAKEN DOWN, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO OTHERWISE, OTHER THAN THAT THEY'RE GONNA BECOME A, A HAZARDOUS, A SAFETY ISSUE. AND WE'RE GONNA BE WANTING TO HAVE THOSE THINGS DOWN RIGHT NOW AS WE, AS WE STAND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOT APPROVED THE PLAN ITSELF. THEY CAME BACK WITH THEIR PLAN NOW TO PUTTING ADDITIONAL TREES INSIDE THEIR PROPERTY. PRIMARILY CREEK RIVER TYPE OF TREES THERE, WHICH ARE TREES, BUT THEY DO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA OF A CONSERVATION TREE OR A, YOU KNOW, THE TREES ARE TO APPROVE THERE. SO THE JURY STAY ALLOWED ON THAT ONE UNTIL WE GET A FULL THING A, A, A FULL, UH, AND, UH, WELL HE'S ONLY GONE BUT, UH, MIGUEL AND DOUG ARE GOING BACK IN THERE AND TRYING TO CONFIRM WHAT IS STILL THERE AND WHAT IS IT. AND THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE. DID THEY GET TO REMOVE THE PARK THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN THERE? I CAN'T REMEMBER. THE COUNCIL NEVER APPROVED A PARK AS A PARK OF THE, OF THE, OF THE, UH, PUD MM-HMM. . IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T MAKE IT A REQUIREMENT. YEAH. THEY DID MAKE A PROMISE, THEY MADE A REPRESENTATION AT THAT TIME THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE PUT IN PARK. YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT. I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED WITH IT. IT HASN'T BEEN THE CASE. OKAY. THAT WAS, UH, UH, HOW'S EDUARDO DOING? DOING WHAT? HOW'S EDDIE DOING? YEAH, EDUARDO, HE'LL BE BACK THIS WEEK. EDUARDO IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOING TOMORROW, I BELIEVE. MM-HMM. TOMORROW TO GET THE, UH, RELEASE BY THE DOCTOR TO COME BACK IN HERE. AND HE DOES. OH, HE'LL BE, YEAH. HE'LL BE BACK, UH, THURSDAY. I BELIEVE. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PLAN ON, UNLESS THE DOCTOR SAYS TODAY AGAIN, AND WE'LL SEE. PARTY ON. YOU ARE MISSING OUR LIAISON. WE'RE MISSING EVERYBODY. YES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU ARE, YOU HAVE AN EVEN LIAISON. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. I'M SURPRISED SHE'S NOT HERE. SHE USUALLY IS. UH, NEXT TIME, LIKE I SAID, WE WILL BE BRINGING, UH, THAT PROJECT, UH, I MEAN THE ONE THAT WE REMOVED FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, AGENDA. WE'LL ALSO BE BRINGING, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING IN. WE'LL ALSO HAVE YOUR, YOUR WELL, THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE IT THERE. WE WILL ALSO BE BRINGING IN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, UNLESS, UH, UH, NICOLE TELLS ME OTHERWISE THE, UH, REVISED SIDE PLAN FOR THE, UH, EIGHT SHEET, NINE TDCU. IT COMES IN. IF IT COMES IN, THEY, THEY'RE WITH THE PROCESS. THEY'RE BUILDING WHEELS. IS THIS ONE BIG ENOUGH TO THE [01:15:01] SPRING? YES. WE ALSO WILL BE BRINGING THE, UH, THE, UH, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT? THE SPRING HILL SUITE. THE WHAT? THE SPRING HILL SUITE. IT'S NOT THE SPRING. THIS ONE. IT'S THE, MY GOD, I DREW A BLACK LINE, THE HOTEL AT THE MALL. STAYBRIDGE. STAYBRIDGE. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. STAYBRIDGE. WHAT ARE THEY WANTING TO DO? YES, UH, THEY WILL BE COMING IN IN ORDER TO, UH, REPLANT THE PROPERTY AND ALSO TO RECITE THE PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO ADD, UH, 18 WHEELER PARKING SPOTS FOR THAT FACILITY. YEAH, THEY'RE ALREADY USING THE MALL. YEAH, THEY WERE USING THE MALL AND THE MALL FINALLY TOLD THEM, HEY, SAID, GET OUT. WE CAN'T ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. SO NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IT IN, IN THEIR PROPERTY, SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE RE YOU KNOW, MODIFYING THEIR, SO THE BASKETBALL COURT'S GONNA DISAPPEAR, IS WHAT I'M HEARING. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK SO. I DIDN'T SEE IT DISAPPEAR FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. WHERE THE COURT BASKETBALL COURT, WHERE'S THE COURT AT? IT'S IN THE AREA RIGHT NEXT TO THE POOL RIGHT HERE? UM, I DON'T THINK SO. THEY'RE TRYING TO GO WEST TOWARDS THE STATION. YEAH. SO WE SHOULD BE CLEAR. OKAY. YOU CAN KEEP ON GOING TO THERE. PLAY BASKETBALL. OH, WHEN I COME GM OF THE NEW HOOTERS, I'LL HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO WORK OUT AT TALKING ABOUT THE UH, ABOUT THE HOOTERS. UH, THIS WON'T BE COMING TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S GOTTA BE JUST A SMALL MODIFICATION, BUT, UH, BUFFALO WINGS IS GOING AWAY. MM-HMM. . AND IN, IN LIEU OF THAT ONE, UH, PNC IS GONNA BE TAKING OVER THAT SPOT THERE. PNC. YEAH. PNC IS GONNA BE MOVING THERE. THE BAN AT THE OLD COMPASS, THEY'RE GIVING UP THE DILAPIDATING LOCATION AND MOVING INTO THAT, THEY'LL BE PUTTING IN A LITTLE DRIVE THROUGH TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO SHOULD BE A PROBLEM. UH, BUT THAT'S LESSER THAN, SO THEN THAT, THAT OPENS UP THE, THAT'S SO CONVENIENT. YEAH. IN THE LOWE'S PARKING LOT, THAT'S DIFFERENT. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEAVING THEIR, THEIR PRESENT LOCATION, THEY'RE CASHING OUT FROM THE DILAPIDATED BANK. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE WHICH ONE'S IN WORSE THAT ONE OR, UH, FIRST NATIONAL AND, UH, ONE OTHER THINGS THAT IS IN THE WORKS, WHICH WE, IT'S GONNA BECOME ANOTHER HOTEL, ISN'T IT? OH GOD. THAT, UH, THE FELLOW THAT OWNS THE MIDDLE OF MADELINE, UH, SHOPPING SATURDAY CENTER. MM-HMM. . MM-HMM. . THEY ALSO OWN THE, THE NEXT DOOR, UH, BUSINESS OFFICE, UH, CENTER. MM-HMM. . AND THE SAME BLOCK. THEY ARE ALSO LOOKING AT THE RED LOBSTER OF BUILDING TO PURCHASE FOR AND RE REDOING. NOT REDOING THE BUILDING. REMOVING THE BUILDING. BUT THAT'S ONLY IN THE VERY INITIAL STAGE. WHETHER IT HAPPENS OR NOT, WE DON'T KNOW. REMOVE THE BUILDING. YES. WOW. THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE IDEA. I CAN'T REMOVE IT IF MY HOOTERS IS GOING THERE. I ASKED HIM WHETHER, I MEAN, AND HE PROMISED ME THERE'S NO HOOTERS AT ALL INVOLVING IN THIS THING. YOU MY BYE . SO I REALLY, ANYTHING ELSE THOUGH? THAT'S IT. NO. OKAY. NICOLE, YOU GOT ANYTHING? I THINK F COVERED IT PRETTY GOOD. WE DO OUR BEST. . I LIKE THE PINK JACKET. WITH THE PINK NOTEBOOKS, BY THE WAY. MEANT TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT EARLIER . OH, YOU NOTICE THAT YOU CAN'T GET DINNER AND SHE GETS MATCHING NOTEPADS. YOU NOTICE THAT TOO. YOU CAN'T GET DINNER. SHE GETS MATCHING NOTEPADS, , ANNA. IT WAS THE THIRD. OUR NEXT MEETING. . SO THE FOURTH I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN, SO I WON'T BE HERE. I WILL HAVE HAD TWO TRIPS BY THEN. I'LL BE IN MEETINGS ADJOURNED. THANK Y'ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.