[00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS EVENING'S MEETING TO ORDER. MEETING OF THE REGULAR. THIS IS A REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL. MONDAY, OCTOBER 7TH, 2024 AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY TO THIS EVENING'S MEETING, AND WE'LL BEGIN WITH A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN HUNTER. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. HONOR. TEXAS FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THEE. TEXAS. ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE AND INDIVISIBLE. ALL RIGHT. IF YOU JOIN ME IN INVOCATION. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME TO YOU WITH GRATEFUL HEARTS. THANK YOU FOR THE MANY BLESSINGS YOU HAVE BESTOWED ON EACH OF US. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, THE SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN AND OUR EMPLOYEES. WE ASK THAT YOU KEEP THEM SAFE DURING THESE WARM WEATHERS, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE TO WORK OUT IN THIS WARM WEATHER EVERY DAY. FATHER, WE'D LIKE TO ASK AND EVERYONE JOIN IN IN PRAYER FOR THE INNOCENT LIVES THAT WERE LOST A YEAR AGO TODAY IN ISRAEL. AND PRAY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR THOSE THAT ARE STILL HELD HOSTAGE. FATHER, PLEASE GIVE THE COUNCIL THE WISDOM AND GUIDANCE AND COURAGE TO MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. IN YOUR NAME, WE OFFER UP THIS PRAYER. AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA. WE HAVE NO PRESENTATION. WE HAVE VISITORS COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANY VISITORS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM THAT IS NOT ON A CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR AGENDA ITEM. WE DON'T HAVE OKAY. SO THESE ARE ON AGENDA ITEMS. DOES ANYBODY HAVE SOMETHING TO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO COUNCIL ABOUT? THAT'S NOT ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. NOT SEEING THAT WE'LL MOVE ON TO DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL CAN DECLARE, IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM, ON THE AGENDAS. DOES ANYONE HAVE A CONFLICT TO DECLARE? NO, SIR. ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING THAT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. [CONSENT AGENDA] SORRY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME READ A WHOLE BUNCH. I'LL TRY TO CONDENSE IT AS MUCH AS I CAN. ITEM ONE IS APPROVE APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2024. ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION MINUTES FOR KEEP JACKSON BEAUTIFUL AND PLANNERS. ITEM THREE ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFUL. COMMISSION MEMBER CHRISTOPHER MILLER AND REMOVE MICHELLE WETZEL GUERRERO FROM THE COMMISSION DUE TO ATTENDANCE, AND ITEM FOUR IS ACCEPT AND APPROVE A GRANT DONATION AGREEMENT FROM CENTERPOINT ENERGY FOUNDATION FOR GENERATOR OR GENERATORS FOR THE LAKE JACKSON CIVIC CENTER. ITEM FIVE APPROVE THE REQUEST TO CLOSE THE ALLEY BEHIND THE LAKE JACKSON HEAD START ON 303 GARLAND DRIVE FROM 9 A.M. TO 10:30 A.M. FOR A PRIVATE TRUNK OR TREAT EVENT ON THURSDAY, OCTOBER 31ST, 2024. DO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM HEAD START HERE? YES. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE Y'ALL. I NOTICED THE FACES REAL QUICK, BUT I WANTED TO BE SURE I WAS RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO WITH THOSE YOUNG KIDS. AND REMEMBER, REMIND ME TO COME READ FOR YOU GUYS. OKAY. ITEM SIX IS APPROVE CONTRACT EXTENSION FOR ONE YEAR WITH MATULA CONSTRUCTION FOR ANNUAL CONCRETE SERVICES NOT EXCEEDING $100,000. ITEM SEVEN APPROVE RENEWAL OF MUNICIPAL PROSECUTORS CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $46,000. ITEM EIGHT IS APPROVE THE FOLLOWING ANNUAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS FOR THE 2425 AS BUDGETED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425 AS BUDGETED CENTRAL SQUARE $231,952. FOR FINANCIAL SOFTWARE. SQUARE THREE, IT $279,553 PROVIDES THE CITY'S FIREWALL AND OFFICE 365 PRODUCTS, AND ITEM C IS WORLDWIDE POWER PRODUCTS HUNDRED AND $75, PROVIDES THE CITY GENERATORS AND SERVICES. ITEM NINE APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT AS APPROVED IN THE FISCAL YEAR. [00:05:03] I GUESS THAT'S 24 2024 2025 BUDGET. EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT BUDGET FOR VARIOUS PURCHASING CO-OP AGENCIES AND VENDORS AS BUDGETED. WE HAVE A SWEET, SWEET STREET SWEEPER FOR $348,777. WE HAVE ITEM B IS A PATCH TRUCK AND TWO FLATBEDS FOR 754,600. I MEAN, $754,613. ITEM C IS THREE FORD MAVERICK'S AN F 150 CAB CREW CAB FOR F350 UTILITY BID FOR $469,672.50. THAT IS CORRECT. IT'S THREE ITEMS, RIGHT? THREE AND FOUR ITEMS. OKAY, SO IT'S THREE MAVERICKS AND FOUR. YES. F-350S AND THEN ONE F50. OKAY. AND ITEM D IS JOHN DEERE SKID STEER FOR $67,648.98. ITEM TEN APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF FOUR PD PATROL VEHICLES WITH UPFITTING FOR $75,000 PER VEHICLE, FOR A TOTAL AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING $300,000 AS BUDGETED. AND THEN WE HAVE ITEM 11 APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF THE JOHN DEERE. ONE JOHN DEERE GATOR AND ONE JOHN DEERE PRO GATOR FOR $52,242.96 AS BUDGETED. ITEM 12 APPROVED $32,500 DOLLAR CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO PIGGLE INC FOR CONSTRUCTION SUPPORT FOR THE FUEL SYSTEM TANK TOP UPGRADE PROJECT, INCREASING THE TOTAL CONTRACT AMOUNT TO $72,750 AS BUDGETED. AND FINALLY, ITEM 13, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 962, ADOPTING THE CITY'S INVESTMENT POLICY WITH NO CHANGES FOR FISCAL YEAR 2425. DOES ANY MEMBER IS THERE ANY ITEM ON THE THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS FURTHER? NOT HEARING. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS READ. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 AS PRESENTED. SECOND, HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOYLE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL 13 ITEMS WERE APPROVED. [1. Public hearing to rezone a 3-acre portion of a 10-acre lot 2 of Plantation Village section 14 of the Hope Fellowship Church Site at 200 Lake Road from B-3 Institutional to B-1A Professional Offices. – Rickey Williams] ALL RIGHT. WE RUN INTO REGULAR AGENDA. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING, OPENING A PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:38 P.M. TO REZONE A THREE ACRE PORTION OF A TEN ACRE LOT TO A PLANTATION VILLAGE. SECTION 14 OF THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE ON 200 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO B1 A PROFESSIONAL OFFICES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AND MISTER WILLIAMS, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT REAL QUICK IF YOU WANT TO. YEAH. MY NAME IS RICKY WILLIAMS AND LIKE YOU SAID, I REPRESENT HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH. SO WE'RE REQUESTING A REZONING FROM CHURCH ZONE B3 TO A B1. A WE INTEND TO SELL THREE ACRES OF THAT PROPERTY TO HELP US RAISE FUNDS FOR A PLANNED EXPANSION OF OUR CHURCH AND REMODEL OF OUR CHURCH DUE TO GROWTH. SO WE THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. SO WE CAN REZONE IT SO WE CAN SELL IT. OKAY. STAFF HAVE ANYTHING TO AND YOU NEED TO KNOW. SELL TO ANYBODY. YEAH, WELL, IT HAS TO. THE B-1A WILL LIMIT IT TO PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND MEDICAL OFFICES, OFFICES AND DAYCARES FOR SOME REASON. THAT'S IN THERE. SO JUST GO ON THE MARKET. IT'LL GO ON THE MARKET UNDER THAT NEW ZONE. OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. SO WE WANT THE PLANNERS. PLANNERS RECOMMENDED THE ZONING THEY DID. AND TO ANSWER MR. BOWLES, COUNCILMAN BEAL'S QUESTION, THE ZONE COULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO. THERE'S AN OFFICE COMPLEX ON LAKE ROAD NEAR THE CHURCH. IT YOU KNOW, THAT'S A B-1A TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NOW FROM FAMILY LIFE. YES, SIR. ON THAT ON LAKE ROAD. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST CURIOUS WHAT THEY SELL IT. WHO CAN THEY SELL IT TO? I'M NOT. YEAH. ANYBODY? YOU ANSWERED IT. THANK YOU. YEP. HAS ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS? OKAY. IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:40 P.M.. [2. Public hearing to rezone the 3.451-acre at 333 FM 2004 from a B-1 Neighborhood Business to a B-3 Institutional use for The New Hope Church site. – James Diede] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO. WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD. AND SO THIS IS A TAP IT IN. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO CALL THIS. 06:41 P.M.. AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO REZONE 3.451 ACRES AT 333 FARM MARKET 2004 FROM [00:10:08] B1 NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO B3. INSTITUTIONAL USE FOR THE NEW HOPE CHURCH SITE. YES, SIR. JASON, D.D., NEW HOPE CHURCH. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. SO WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT THE CURRENT FITNESS CENTER INTO A NEW HOPE CHURCH AS ONE OF OUR MODELS. OKAY. THAT'S THE PROPOSAL FOR IT. IS IT THE FITNESS? IS IT? YEAH. OH. FAMILY FITNESS. RIGHT? YES. BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT CORNER LOT AT THIS TIME. NOT AT THIS TIME. JUST THE PROPERTY. THIS CENTER IS ON. YES. OKAY. AND AGAIN, THIS WENT TO PLANNERS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT DID. AND WE HAVE A HISTORY OF REZONING PROPERTIES WHEN IT BECOMES INSTITUTIONAL. AND SO B3 IS FOR SCHOOLS AND CHURCHES. ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC. ANYTHING ELSE FROM COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. YOU ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY. YES. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO A CHURCH WITH A SWIMMING POOL YEAH. BIG, BIG, BIG BAPTISM. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ALL RIGHT. JUST A SECOND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOING TO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:42 P.M.. THAT'LL MOVE US TO ITEM THREE. [3. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2290 to rezone a 3-acre portion of a 10-acre lot 2 of Plantation Village section 14 of the Hope Fellowship Church Site at 200 Lake Road from B-3 Institutional to B-1A Professional Offices. – Sherri Russell] AND SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS THIS ITEM THREE IS FOR ITEM TWO. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, ITEM THREE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION THIS EVENING IN ITEM THREE ON THAT PROPERTY. BUT FOR ITEM TWO WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US FOR A VOTE ON AT OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO ARE WE DOING THAT? I. IT WAS THAT THEY NEEDED TO TWEAK THEIR METES AND BOUNDS BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXTRA LITTLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE INCLUDED. SO WE'LL DO IT NEXT TIME. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST PAPERWORK. OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. NOTHING ELSE? YEAH. LAWYERS. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2290 TO REZONE THE THREE ACRE PORTION OF THE TEN ACRE LOT TWO OF PLANTATION VILLAGE, SECTION 14 OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE AT 200 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO B1, A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE. ORDINANCE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, BY REZONING A THREE ACRE PORTION OF A TEN ACRE TRACT OF LAND KNOWN AS LOT TWO, BLOCK ONE OF PLANTATION VILLAGE, SECTION 14, SUBDIVISION OF THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE AT 200 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO B1. A PROFESSIONAL OFFICES FINDING THAT ALL PREREQUISITES OF THE LAW HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION. FIRST READING. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL TAKE A IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM. GO WITH THAT FIRST. NO DISCUSSION. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. A MOTION COUNCILMAN FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCIL WOMAN. SETH. AND FINALLY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT'S APPROVED. REZONING IS APPROVED. THAT'S THE FIRST. THE SECOND READING WILL BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEP. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. LET ME DO SOME PAPERWORK HERE. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO. [4. Discuss and consider authorizing fencing of drainage easement between 209 and 211 Basswood. – Kevin Lindenschmidt] ITEM FOUR DISCUSSING. CONSIDER AUTHORIZING FENCING. FENCING. FENCING FOR A DRAINAGE EASEMENT BETWEEN 209 AND 211. BASSWOOD. WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER. YES, SIR. OH, THERE YOU GO. YOU LOOK FAMILIAR. I DO. YOU'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE? NOT HERE. BUT YOU'VE SEEN ME AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. OH. THAT'S RIGHT. I GOT YOU. I'LL STEP UP HERE AND JUST TELL US WHAT YOU GOT. WHY? HE'S DOING IT. CAN WE HAVE THAT? PULL UP THE PICTURE ON THE NEXT PAGE? THERE'S. I'M SORRY. THERE'S A. LET'S SEE. THERE SHOULD BE A THERE. THAT'S GOOD. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL TAKING THE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS WITH ME. SO IN BETWEEN MY PROPERTY LINE AND MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE IN 2009, IT'S A IT'S A RENTAL UNIT. THE OWNER LIVES IN NEW JERSEY. BUT SO WITH THAT WE HAVE A SMALL, A SMALL PORTION OF LAND THERE THAT ON A REGULAR BASIS, YOU'LL HAVE PEOPLE WHO WHO WILL WALK BACK AND FORTH AND, AND TAKE THAT AS SHORTCUTS AND CUT THROUGH THERE. [00:15:07] AND A LOT OF TIMES IT'S NOT TOO BIG OF A DEAL, BUT WHEN ANIMALS START DEFECATING THERE AND AND THEN I'VE GOT MY TWO BATHROOM WINDOWS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE AND WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF UPGRADING ALL OF OUR WINDOWS NOW. JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE ANYTIME YOU WALK THROUGH, YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THROUGH OUR BATHROOM WINDOWS, YOU HAVE A POINTER RIGHT THERE. CAN YOU, SIR. SO RIGHT ON. RIGHT HERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE. AND THEN RIGHT HERE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE I HAVE ARE MY TWO BATHROOM WINDOWS. AND SO IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN THE SHOWER, YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK, LOOK THROUGH THE CRACKS AND SEE DIRECTLY OUT THERE. AND SO WHEN PEOPLE ARE WALKING LATE AT NIGHT, ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE TALKING GOING PRETTY CLOSE TO YOUR HOUSE. IS THAT A DRAINAGE DITCH RIGHT BEHIND YOU? YEAH. YES, SIR. THAT'S THE CANAL. SO THE BUCKIES IS BACK. THIS WAY. THE BIG BUCKY'S ON 332. AND THEN. SO THIS IS WALNUT STREET. COMES DOWN HERE AND THEN TURNS DOWN BASSWOOD. AND THIS IS THE CANAL THAT RUNS BETWEEN THE THE HOUSES ON BY BEHIND BUCKY'S. AND THEN THERE'S A CANAL, AND THEN THERE'S MY PROPERTY THERE THAT CAN NOW GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OLEANDER, AND THEN EMPTIES OUT WHERE THE SEA CENTER AND ALL THAT'S AT. OKAY. BUT SO FOR, FOR RIGHT THERE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT IT, THOUGH, IS ALSO SINCE I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN JULY OF 2021, I WAS UNDER THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S THE CITY EASEMENT FOR SEWAGE RIGHT OF WAY, THINGS LIKE THAT. I WHEN I FIRST BOUGHT IT, I WAS TOLD THAT THE CITY WOULD MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, CUT THE GRASS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. I WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I LET IT GO FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS AND NOTHING EVER HAPPENED, SO I STARTED MAINTAINING IT. PEST CONTROL. I STARTED HAVING SNAKES COMING UP TO MY HOUSE. YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM. BAD BECAUSE OF THE CANAL AREA. BUT. SO I STARTED CUTTING IT, MAINTAINING IT, TRYING TO KEEP IT SAFE AND CLEAN FOR MY KIDS. I GOT A I GOT A TEN YEAR OLD SON, AA8 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER AND A FIVE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. AND SO THEY PLAY OUTSIDE A LOT, AND I'D PREFER THEM NOT TO GET BIT BY SNAKES. SO WE, WE CLEARED, WE STARTED MAINTAINING ALL OF THIS HERE WITH MOWING, PEST CONTROL, WEED CONTROL, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS IN A IN A NICE, ORDERLY FASHION. AND SO ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THAT I WAS HOPING WAS OUR FENCE LINE ACTUALLY CUTS RIGHT HERE, GOING DOWN THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE. WE HAVE A SMALL LITTLE FENCE THAT CUTS DOWN, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT SINCE WE'RE ALREADY MAINTAINING IT, WE'RE ALREADY DOING EVERYTHING WITH IT, THAT WE COULD NOT BUILD ANY STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ON IT, BUT BUILD A FENCE LINE THAT WOULD COME, COME OUT AND CONNECT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN, CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN EVERYTHING THE SAME WAY WE ARE NOW. WE WOULD INSTALL A DOUBLE WIDE GATE, LARGE ENOUGH WHERE IF THE CITY NEEDED TO ACCESS IT FOR ANY REASON, WE ALREADY KEEP THE GATE UNLOCKED AS IT IS. AND SO IF IF WE MAINTAIN A DOUBLE WIDE GATE THE CITY EVER NEEDED ACCESS TO IT, WE'D HAVE ONE ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK. THAT WAY THE CITY COULD GET THROUGH WITHOUT ANY KIND OF INTERRUPTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO. BUT I WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE TOP PART OF IT CUTTING THE GRASS, WEED CONTROL, PEST CONTROL, ALL THAT. SO YOU'RE YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT A FENCE HERE AND HERE OR WHERE DO YOU WANT TO PUT A FENCE? YES, SIR. JUST SO BOTH ENDS BASICALLY CONNECT IT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE. RIGHT. AND CONNECT IT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S FENCE UP THERE. SO. AND SO THEN YOU JUST MAINTAIN THIS AS JUST LIKE YOU MAINTAIN YOUR YARD. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHICH IS WHAT I'M CURRENTLY DOING ANYWAYS. RIGHT. AND THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DO OVER THERE AT THE ACROSS FROM THE INTERSECTION OF DIXIE DRIVE AND ORCHARD CREEK DRIVE. SAME. SAME SITUATION. THERE'S A SECTION OF FENCE THAT'S PUT UP THERE. THE CITY GAVE APPROVAL FOR THE FENCE TO BE PUT UP THERE, AND THE RESIDENTS MAINTAIN THAT FENCE SECTION THERE. YEAH. ACROSS AN EASEMENT. WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THESE AGREEMENTS. USUALLY WE DON'T MAINTAIN THE EASEMENTS BETWEEN THE HOUSES. WE USUALLY DEPEND ON THE HOMEOWNERS TO MAINTAIN THIS. WE MAINTAIN THE DRAINAGE DITCH BEHIND. BUT THE EASEMENTS ARE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION HAPPENED, BUT WE USUALLY DEPEND ON THE HOMEOWNERS TO TAKE CARE OF THE EASEMENT IN BETWEEN THERE. BUT WE HAVE ALLOWED WE'VE HAD MADE AGREEMENTS WITH ONE OF THE HOMEOWNERS. THE WHAT WE DO IS, THOUGH, WE ASK FOR AN AGREEMENT WITH ONE HOMEOWNER TO FENCE IT. WE DON'T USUALLY AGREE BETWEEN THE FENCE TO BE RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. RIGHT. AND IN THIS CASE, MR. LINCHPIN HAS TALKED TO THE OWNER, AND HE'S AGREED, YOU KNOW, TO PUT THE FENCE THERE. SO IF COUNCIL IS AGREEABLE, THEN MISS RUSSELL WOULD THEN PREPARE AN AGREEMENT FOR BOTH OWNERS TO TO EXECUTE. SO DO WE OWN THIS PIECE OR DO WE HAVE AN EASEMENT OVER PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN? [00:20:04] NO, IT'S IT'S CITY PROPERTY. IT IS. OKAY. WE OWN IT. OKAY. RIGHT. YEAH. THAT ANSWERS MY QUESTION. YEAH. SO WE'RE ALLOWING WE'RE ALLOWING THEIR FENCE. HIS FENCE TO ENCROACH OVER OUR PROPERTY. YEAH. SO, YEAH. THE EASEMENT. CORRECT. EASEMENT IS THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE ONLY THING THAT GOES UNDER AND YOU COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS A SEWER LINE THAT GOES DRAINAGE LINE THAT GOES UNDERNEATH IT. DON'T DO WE HAVE A DRAIN LINE THAT GOES THROUGH THERE? SO IT'S WASTEWATER, NOT SEWER BUT RAINWATER. IT'S RAINWATER. RAINWATER OKAY. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I THINK IT'S I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A WIN WIN TAKING CARE OF IT THIS LONG. THANK YOU. MA'AM, I WAS I'M ACTUALLY I HAVEN'T LIVED IN LAKE JACKSON MY ENTIRE LIFE. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR ABOUT SIX YEARS. AND SO I'M STILL LEARNING ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS ABOUT IT. SO WHENEVER I WAS TOLD THAT IT DIDN'T BELONG TO IT BELONGED TO THE CITY. IT WAS MY NEIGHBOR LIVES IN NEW JERSEY. AND SO WE KIND OF BOTH UNDER THE ASSUMPTION, WELL, SOMEONE ELSE IS GOING TO TAKE IT. WELL, HOPEFULLY IT'S A WIN WIN. YES, MA'AM. EXPAND YOUR YARD A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. ONE LESS THING TO MOW. DO YOU HAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS CONTACT INFORMATION? SO HE'S GOT A CONTRACTOR THAT USUALLY COMES AND MAINTAINS THE PROPERTY FOR HIM IN BETWEEN TENANTS. AND HE'S BEEN MY LIAISON BACK AND FORTH WITH THE WITH THE OWNER HIMSELF. THE OWNER HIMSELF LIVES IN NEW JERSEY. I'VE MET HIM A FEW TIMES. BUT I DON'T HAVE HIS CONTACT INFORMATION. OKAY, I CAN GET, BUT IT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE. I MEAN, THE ONLY THING HE NEEDS TO HAVE THE OTHER OWNER INVOLVED WITH IT, THOUGH, IS SINCE HE'S TAKING OVER THE RESPONSIBILITY IS YOU'RE NOT PLANNING ON SPLITTING THE COST. OR ARE YOU JUST PLANNING ON DO IT YOURSELF OR JUST PAYING FOR IT ALL MYSELF? SO IT'S JUST TO BE ABLE TO TIE INTO HIS FENCE, AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TIE HIM TO HIS FENCE AND NOT SAY, OH, I WANTED HALF OF THAT. YEAH, HE JUST WANT HIM TO AGREE TO IT. YEP. IF HE CAN'T GET, YOU KNOW, AGREEMENT FROM THE OTHER OWNER, HE CAN JUST PUT A FENCE POST NEXT TO HIS FENCE AND DO IT SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PHYSICALLY TIE IN. YES, SIR. SO YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD. HE'S ACTUALLY GOT A HURRICANE FENCE THAT WAS JUST KIND OF DESTROYED DURING THE HURRICANE. IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE HURRICANE. AND SO THEY'RE PLANNING THEY'RE PLANNING ON TAKING THAT DOWN ANYWAYS. AND SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THE CONTRACTOR AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WHO'S TAKING CARE OF HIS PROPERTY IS WHETHER OR NOT WE JUST USE THE FENCE THAT I PUT UP. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING. A HURRICANE FENCE, NOT A PRIVACY FENCE? NO, MA'AM. PRIVACY FENCE. PRIVACY FENCE. WOOD FENCE. YES, SIR. YEAH. IS THAT. IS THAT OKAY FOR YOUR EASEMENT? AS LONG AS HE KNOWS IF WE GOT TO GO IN AND WORK, IT COMES DOWN. IF YOU GOT TO PUT IT BACK UP, YOU GOT TO TEAR IT UP. I UNDERSTAND THAT I ASSUME THE RISK, WHICH IS WHY I'D ALSO WANT TO BUILD THAT LARGE GATE WHERE IF YOU NEEDED VEHICLES TO GO THROUGH IT, YOU CAN PUT VEHICLES THROUGH IT. RIGHT. I MEAN, REALLY, THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WOULD EVER HAVE TO ACCESS IF THE LINE COLLAPSED OR IF WE HAD TO UPSIZE. RIGHT. SO WOULD YOU SEE ANY OTHER REASON? NO. WE DID HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THAT HAPPENED ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO. WE HAD TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ONE LAST QUESTION. YES, MA'AM. IS REALLY FOR PROBABLY YOU GUYS IS FOR FUTURE OWNERS. HOW WOULD YOU KNOW? FOR EXAMPLE, IF HE SELLS THE HOUSE TO THE NEXT PERSON AND THEY JUST ASSUME THAT'S THEIR PROPERTY AT THIS POINT? HOW DO WE THIS AGREEMENT WILL BE FILED WITH THE PROPERTY RECORDS? OKAY. SO WHEN THEY DO THE THE TITLE SEARCH, IT'LL SHOW UP. THEY'LL HAVE THE METES AND BOUNDS. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. YEP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? TAKE. I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. MR. MAYOR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE THE FENCING OF DRAINAGE EASEMENT BETWEEN 209 AND 211. BASSWOOD. SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOR YOUR TIME. THANKS. ALL RIGHT. [5. Discuss the issue with stray cats in the community. – Jamie Nugent] WE MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE, DISCUSS THE ISSUE WITH STRAY CATS IN THE COMMUNITY. IS MISS NUGENT HERE? THERE YOU GO. HELLO. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH ME. MY NAME IS JAMIE NUGENT. I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE, AND I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AN ISSUE. TALK TO YOU ABOUT AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE SINCE I WAS A CHILD. WE HAVE A CAP PROBLEM. AND IT'S NOT JUST STRAY CATS. IT IS EVERYBODY WHO PRETTY MUCH OWNS ONE. NUMBER ONE, THEY TURN THEM LOOSE ON A REGULAR BASIS. THEY RUN LOOSE. PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO THE CAT BELONGS TO. EVERY FALL, I PUT OUT SAND IN MY ROSE BUSHES. THEN I PUT MULCH DOWN. I DON'T HAVE A CAT. I DON'T WANT TO SMELL THE CAT URINE, THE FECES. IT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM. I HAVE DEALT WITH THE ANIMAL CONTROL. [00:25:03] WE HAVE BROUGHT TRAPS. IT'S JUST AN ONGOING EVENT. AND THE MAIN THING IS, I DON'T HAVE DOGS. GET ON TOP OF MY VEHICLE AND SLIDE DOWN AND SCRATCH A $50,000 AUTOMOBILE. CATS DO. I CAN'T KEEP THE CATS OUT OF MY YARD. CATS ARE EVERYWHERE. THE CATS AND DOGS DO NOT HAVE THE SAME RULES. A CAT IS MORE LIKE A WILD ANIMAL INSTEAD OF A PET. AND I'M NOT STATING THAT IT'S A WILD, BUT AS FAR AS HOW WE TREAT IT, THAT'S HOW WE TREAT IT. BECAUSE THEY RUN WILD. IF A DOG IS LOOSE, ANIMAL CONTROL IS RIGHT THERE TO COME GET IT. BUT NOT FOR A CAT. AND WE'RE TALKING EXPENSIVE AUTOMOBILES THAT THEY ARE SCRATCHING THAT. IS APPALLING. AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. I TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND TO SEE THE CAT. WHICH CAT? IT IS? THEY SWEAR IT'S NOT THEIR CAT, BUT THEY FEED IT. WE CAN'T SEEM TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM. IT CONTINUES OVER AND OVER AND OVER. DOGS AND CATS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME RULES. I KNOW A CAT DON'T LIKE A LEASH. THEN KEEP THE CAT IN YOUR HOME NOT TO RUN LOOSE. LAY IN THE STREETS. LAY ON YOUR VEHICLES. TEAR UP YOUR PROPERTY. I HAVE CHAIRS ON MY PORCH THAT THEY SHRED ON A REGULAR BASIS. IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING OUT THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR IT UP. THE MAIN ISSUE I HAVE IS AUTOMOBILES. YOU'RE TALKING MAJOR MONEY, AND NOBODY CARES UNTIL IT HAPPENS TO THEIR VEHICLE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM SINCE I'VE BEEN A CHILD. CATS RUN LOOSE AND NOBODY CARES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ISSUE. I HAVE WORKED WITH THE ANIMAL CONTROL. WE'VE TRIED TRAPS. WE'VE TRIED EVERYTHING. WE KNOW HOW TO TRY. PEOPLE SEE ANIMAL CONTROL SHOW UP. THEY JUST LOCK THEIR CATS UP FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD. I WALK OUT MY BACKYARD. I'VE GOT A WOODEN FENCE. THERE'S CATS ALWAYS RUNNING OUT OF MY YARD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ISSUE ANYMORE. BUT I FEEL LIKE CATS AND DOGS NEED TO HAVE THE SAME RULES. YOU GOT A DOG THAT CAN'T RUN LOOSE. A CAT SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RUN LOOSE. I DON'T HAVE DOGS GETTING ON MY VEHICLE AND SLIDING DOWN. BUT CATS ARE DESTRUCTIVE. I LOVE ANIMALS, BUT I CAN'T TAKE THE CAT PROBLEM ANYMORE AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES AFTER DECADE AFTER DECADE AND NOTHING'S GETTING DONE. SO YOU TELL ME, WHAT DO WE DO? ISN'T IT FAIR THAT DOGS AND CATS HAVE THE SAME RULES? CHIEF, YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN TO US WHAT WE CAN DO? WHAT? WHAT ARE WE ABLE TO DO? SO, YES, THIS IS A LONG STANDING PROBLEM. AND WE DON'T HAVE. WE DO HAVE REQUIREMENTS THAT DOGS HAVE TO BE ON. THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED. RIGHT. WE DO NOT FORGET SO A LOT OF FRUSTRATION AND UNDERSTAND THAT IS THERE ARE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WILL TRAP THEM. BUT IN MOST CASES THAT IS NOT VERY EFFECTIVE. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I THINK THE I WOULD ASSUME THAT THE REASON WHY LIKE FOR EXAMPLE LEASHES. LEASH LAWS FOR DOGS. DOGS ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE. KNOWN TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE. CAN BE MORE AGGRESSIVE TO HUMANS THAN CATS ARE. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE HAVE LEASHES TO KEEP ANIMALS. KEEP DOGS FROM POSSIBLY ATTACKING SOMEONE AS ONE EXAMPLE. THAT'S THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT WITH DOGS, FOR SURE. THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINTS FOR CATS IS A LOT OF DESTRUCTION IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THEY JUMP OFF OF THINGS AND LAND ON TIRE COVERS AND THINKING ABOUT DIFFERENT CALLS AND MESSING UP PEOPLE'S GARDEN AND THAT SORT OF THING, BUT ALSO SCRATCHING PEOPLE'S YEAH. WHENEVER I MEAN, I, I'VE TALKED BEFORE I THINK YOU CONTACT ME ON FACEBOOK OR SOMEHOW OR EMAIL OR SOMETHING OR EMAIL OR SOMETHING ABOUT BECAUSE YOU LIVE ON JASMINE. YES I DO. SO I THINK YOU CONTACTED ME SOMEHOW OR ON NEXT DOOR OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW, BUT ANYWAY BUT THEN WHEN I HEARD THAT YOU THAT THIS TOPIC [00:30:03] WAS COMING UP, I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, IS BECAUSE, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES, AND IT'S GOING TO BE AROUND BECAUSE JUST BEING ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO CONTROL CATS IS THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION OUT THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP TO SOLUTION, BUT I'M GOING TO JUMP HERE. AND THIS IS JUST WHAT CAME UP IN MY MIND IS, IS THIS FOR AN EXAMPLE IS LIKE, AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESTRUCTIVE SIDE OF HAVING CATS ROAMING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IS THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE AND IT'S ACTUALLY THROUGH THE STATE, BUT WE DO HAVE AN ORDINANCE OF AN ANIMAL. IF A DOG IS A DESTRUCTIVE DOG, THEN WE HAVE LAWS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THAT ANIMAL WITH. BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT DESTRUCTIVE, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DESTRUCTIVE OR DANGEROUS TO HUMANS VERSUS TO PROPERTY. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY CITIES THAT HAVE GONE OUT THERE AND WRITTEN ORDINANCES AND SAYING, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE ANY ANIMAL PET THAT IS DEMONSTRATES DESTRUCTIVE CAPABILITIES OR DESTRUCTIVE DESIRES OR TENDENCY ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS IT WITH AN ORDINANCE. THE PROBLEM BEING, THOUGH, IS, IS WHEN WE GET BACK TO CATS IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, YOU'VE ALL HEARD THE PHRASE OF HERDING CATS. IT'S HARD TO CATCH A CAT. THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD CHANGE THE RULES AND MAKE THEM. IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CAT, IT NEEDS TO BE AN INSIDE CAT. YOU DO NOT ALLOW DOGS TO ROAM FREE. I UNDERSTAND CATS SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT EITHER, RIGHT? I IT'S JUST I'VE ALREADY PAID $800 FOR ONE FENDER TO BE REPAINTED, RIGHT? I'M FIGHTING THESE CATS EVERY DAY. I HAVE SPRAYED AMMONIA AROUND MY FATHER'S TRUCK. I HAVE SPRAYED IT AROUND MY CARS. I'VE SPRAYED IT AROUND THE PORCHES. I'M DEALING WITH THE STINK JUST TO KEEP THE CATS AWAY. AND IT'S NOT WORKING. THE LAWS NEED TO BE CHANGED. IF THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CAT, IT NEEDS TO BE INSIDE. YES, BUT AGAIN AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST THE CHALLENGE IS GOING TO BE, IS, IS THAT IF A IF A IF A DOG IS ROAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S EASY TO CALL ANIMAL CONTROL AND ANIMAL CONTROL, COME OUT THERE AND CATCH THE DOG. THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS OF DOING IT. CATCHING A CAT IS NOT THE SAME EXERCISE. YES UNLESS YOU. BUT SO AGAIN THERE'S THERE'S NO THERE'S NO EASY SOLUTION. AND WE COULD GO YOU KNOW YES. CAT OWNERS SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CATS. THEN WE SHOULD MAKE THEM BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CATS. AND THE CHALLENGE IS, IS FOR THEM TO SAY, YES, THAT IS MY CAT. BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE OWNERS, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, IT'S NOT MY CAT. EVEN IF WE ARE ABLE TO CATCH IT, SO THEN WE END UP, WE'LL CATCH IT. IF WE CAN CATCH IT, JUST LIKE WE CAN DO TODAY. IF WE CAN CATCH IT, WE TAKE IT. WE HAVE A PROCESS FOR THE FOR THE CATS THAT WE CATCH, THAT WE CATCH. THE CHALLENGE IS THOUGH, IS THAT UNLESS THEY CHIP THAT ANIMAL, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET IT BACK TO SAYING THAT IT'S THIS INDIVIDUAL'S ANIMAL. UNLESS WE DO AN EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION OF FINDING OUT WHOSE CAT IT IS TO BE ABLE TO THEN GO OVER THERE AND FIND THEM. SAME THING WITH A DOG. IF A DOG RUNS LOOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IF IT'S NOT CHIPPED, WE DON'T KNOW WHOSE DOG IT IS. SO THEN WE HAVE TO TO COLLECT THE DOG AND TAKE IT TO ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. BUT DO WE HAVE RULES ON THE BOOKS FOR DOGS IN LAKE JACKSON SAYING THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR SHOTS, THEY HAVE TO BE REGISTERED AND ALL THAT. ALL PETS HAVE TO BE ALL. SO IT IS IT IS APPLICABLE TO ALL. THE ONLY THING WE DON'T HAVE IS, IS THAT THAT THEY HAVE THAT DOGS HAVE TO BE UNLEASHED. WE DON'T HAVE A LEASH LAW FOR FOR CATS. NOW IT'S COME UP SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST, AND WE'VE FILLED UP THIS WHOLE ROOM IN THE PAST. AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT A LEASH ON A CAT. I MEAN, I JUST I DON'T DISAGREE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A CAT THAT NEEDS TO BE AN INDOOR CAT, IT NEEDS TO STAY ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY. RIGHT. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I AGREE, I AGREE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ON I MEAN, SO WHAT HE'S SAYING, I SEE BOTH SIDES. HOW DO HOW DO WE ENFORCE THIS. BOTH SIDES AS WELL. HOW DO WE ENFORCE IT? THAT'S THE THING. BY MAKING THE LAWS THE SAME AS DOGS, THAT PEOPLE THAT OWN DOGS CANNOT LET THEM RUN LOOSE. THEY HAVE TO STAY IN THEIR YARD. WELL, IF IT'S A CAT, THEN MAKE IT BE A HOUSE CAT. YOU WANTED THE CAT? THEN WHY IS IT RUNNING LOOSE? SO AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU HAVE A CAT, YOU OWN A CAT. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO LET IT JUST RUN. YES. THAT'S BECAUSE AGAIN, THE REASON BEING IS WITH DOGS WE HAVE A LEASH LAW. IF YOU HAVE A LEASH LAW, YOU CAN'T. IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO LET YOUR DOG RUN LOOSE. IT CAN RUN AROUND IN THE BACK YARD OR WHATEVER. IT CAN'T RUN LOOSE. THIS IS WHY NOTHING GETS DONE. [00:35:02] AND SO SO SO I'M PRETTY SURE WE'RE NOT THE ONLY CITY WITH THIS PROBLEM. HAVE WE RESEARCHED CITY OUR SIZE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER AND SEE WHAT KIND OF SOLUTION THEY HAVE CAME UP WITH FOR THIS TYPE OF PROBLEM IN THE PAST? YES. I DO NOT KNOW OF ANOTHER CITY THAT. OF COURSE, THIS HAS BEEN YEARS. I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER CITY THAT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT. USUALLY THE APPROACH HAS BEEN THE SPAY NEUTER PROGRAM. FOR CONTROLLING FERAL CATS. FERAL CATS. BUT NOT OWNER. NOT DOMESTIC CATS. AND THAT'S THE ONLY TIME I'VE SEEN REALLY A CITY TRY TO TAKE AN ACTIVE APPROACH OF TRYING TO CONTROL NEUTER RELEASE, SPAY NEUTER, RELEASE. AND REALLY, THAT WOULDN'T SOLVE MISS NUGENT'S PROBLEM, BECAUSE IF IT WAS A FERAL CAT, OR IF IT'S A NEIGHBOR FEEDING A FERAL CAT, THE PROGRAM IS TO SPAY AND NEUTER AND THEN INTRODUCE IT BACK INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. AND THEY'RE STILL ON THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE STILL ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S TO CONTROL THE POPULATION. DOES IT REMOVE? IT DOESN'T REMOVE THE CAT. I AGREE WITH IT. I HAVE A NEIGHBOR THAT HAVE CATS THAT COME IN AT NIGHT AND HAY EVERYWHERE, BUT I GUESS THEY SEE WHEN I COME HOME AND THE POLICE CAR, THEY SAID THEY'RE GOING TO GET ARRESTED, SO THEY TAKE OFF. SO. YEAH. WELL, WHEN YOU COME IN, IF YOU'VE GOT CATS AROUND YOUR HOME, WAIT TILL WINTERTIME BECAUSE THEY'LL BE SITTING ON TOP OF YOUR HOOD. WELL, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. OH THAT'S RIGHT, I DON'T LIKE THE VEHICLE. IT'LL GET REDONE ANYWAY. I DON'T LIKE SNAKES AND THEY KEEP SNAKES AWAY FROM ME. SO I GOT SNAKE RED. SO. SO I'M KIND OF CURIOUS WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT. THE. THAT WAS BEFORE MY TIME. WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WANTED TO PUT THE CATS ON THE LEASH? WELL, IT NEVER REGAINED SUPPORT. BUT WHAT? YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOM IN HERE FOR PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE WERE AGAINST IT? YES. YEAH. BUT WHY? SO YOU HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR IT AND AGAINST IT. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE. IT'S. I'M JUST SAYING YOU PUT A CAT IN A FENCED YARD. I'M SORRY. EXCUSE ME? IF YOU PUT A DOG IN A FENCED YARD, IT'LL STAY THERE. RIGHT. BUT A CAT. CATS WON'T STAY THERE. SO I IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO EVEN THE COUNCIL ROOM WAS, I REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, PACKED. BUT IN THE END, IT WAS ENFORCEABILITY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT GETS DOWN TO ANY OF THESE, ANY OF THESE SOLUTIONS THAT WE'VE COME UP. THE CONCERN IS THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IS HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT? AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO ENFORCE IT, BUT YOU FIND PEOPLE THAT TURN THEIR DOGS LOOSE ON A REGULAR BASIS. IF YOU PICK UP THEIR CATS, WHY CAN'T YOU DO THE SAME THING? THEY GET TIRED OF COMING MONEY OUT OF THEIR WALLET. THEY'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT CAT AND MAKE IT STAY IN THE HOUSE, BUT THEY WON'T ADMIT IT'S THERE. JUST GIVE US A CALL. WHEN WE GO TO FINDING, WE GO AND WE PICK UP A LOOSE DOG. AND IT'S NOT ANIMAL. SHOULD HAVE. IT'S NOT SHIPPED. WHAT'S A VET? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE. EXCUSE ME, MA'AM, WHAT'S THE. WHAT'S THE SUCCESS RATE OF FINDING THAT WHERE THAT DOG CAME FROM TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THAT OWNER THAT HASN'T SHIPPED IT AND SAY, OKAY, YOU WERE PRETTY SUCCESSFUL AT THAT JUST BECAUSE MOST OF OUR ACOS HAVE WORKED HERE FOR SO LONG. ONE, THEY RECOGNIZE MOST DOGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY SEE THEM IN BY SIGHT, AND PEOPLE CALL THEM THOSE MORE FREQUENTLY BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OUT. RIGHT. THEY USUALLY HAVE A COLLAR ON THAT MAKES IT EASIER. AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE CHIPPED, BUT THEN THEY GO TO THE TO THE FACILITY. AND THEN THERE'S IF NO COLLAR, THEY HAVE TO STAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. IF THEY DO HAVE A COLLAR, THEY SAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME BEFORE WE DEAL WITH THEM. SO ACHIEVE EASIER IN GENERAL BECAUSE YOU CAN CALL THEM TO THE TRUCK, RIGHT? ACHIEVE CATS ARE NON-COMPLIANT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO IN THIS CASE, HER EXPERIENCE IS THAT TYPICAL OF TRYING TO CATCH GET I MEAN ARE WE SUCCESSFUL. THERE'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM RIGHT THERE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU PLAY CAT AND MOUSE AND BELIEVE ME, I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION. ABSOLUTELY DO. BECAUSE I'VE DEALT WITH THESE COMPLAINTS. I NEVER WAS A CAT PERSON. I ACTUALLY HAVE ONE NOW. BUT EVEN IF YOU IF YOU MAKE A RULE THAT THEY HAVE TO STAY THERE, IT'S JUST LIKE DOGS. THERE'S A RULE THAT THEY'RE OUT, THEY GET OUT, THEY RUN AWAY. YOU LET A CAT OUT FOR A POTTY BREAK, OR EVEN YOU HAD IT. YOU INTEND TO PUT IT ON A LEASH AND THEY RUN OUT THE DOOR AND THEY'RE GONE. THEY'RE CATS. THEY'RE OUT OF THE FENCE. THEY'RE GONE. THEY'RE ENFORCEMENT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE, REGARDLESS OF POLICY. HAVE YOU SEEN ANY BETTER SOLUTIONS OR POLICIES? NO. AND I THINK I'LL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO TO GET WITH THE LIEUTENANT AND HIS CREW AND JUST PUT FEELERS OUT ALL OVER. SEE IF WE CAN FIND SOMEBODY THAT THAT HAS A SOLUTION. I MEAN, THE FRUSTRATION IS THAT THERE'S NO SOLUTION. I THINK EVERYONE AGREES THAT IT'S IT'S AN ISSUE. IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU FIX IT? YEAH, I CERTAINLY WOULD. LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER THAT THE CATCHING IS THE BIG PROBLEM, BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT SHE'S SAYING IN TERMS OF [00:40:09] YES, IT'S DIFFICULT, MORE DIFFICULT THAN A DOG TO ENFORCE, BUT IT DOESN'T HURT US OR ANYBODY ELSE TO PUT THE PUT THE RULE ON THE BOOK. IF YOU HAVE A CAT, IT NEEDS TO STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY. SO, SHERRI, SINCE YOU'RE TAKING A DRINK OF WATER. I MEAN, OUR ORDINANCES RIGHT NOW FOR PETS AND STUFF, FOR EXAMPLE, DOMESTICATED ANIMALS. IS YOU. WE'RE NOT. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LET ANY DOMESTICATED ANIMAL RUN LOOSE ON THE STREET. IS IT JUST SPECIFIC TO DOGS OR IS IT TO ANY ANIMAL? IT SAYS LOOSE DOGS. IT'S IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T SAY LOOSE CATS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, SOMEWHERE IN THE ORDINANCE THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR CATS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST WILDLY THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ROUND UP ALL THE SQUIRRELS. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR DILEMMA IS, BUT THE ONLY THOUGHT THAT EVEN COME HALFWAY CLOSE TO CLICKING IN MY BRAIN WAS THE FACT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT ABUSE ANIMALS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEIR ANIMALS. RIGHT? YEAH. MY OPINION, IF YOU GET AN ANIMAL, CAT, DOG AUTOMATICALLY, YOU HAVE TO CHIP IT AUTOMATICALLY. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT HAS ITS SHOTS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT DON'T DO THAT. AND HAVING A PET IS A RESPONSIBILITY AND IT'S AN EXPENSIVE RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN WISELY. IT'S NOT. OH, YEAH, I WANT A PET, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE SHOTS. I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE IT HEARTWORM PILLS. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THIS. I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T AFFORD IT. BUT I CAN AFFORD TO FEED IT AND TURN IT LOOSE. IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ANIMAL, WE SHOULD MAKE THEM CHIP THAT DOG OR CAT AND TAKE CARE OF THAT ANIMAL, NOT ABUSE THAT ANIMAL. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT I COULD COME UP WITH IN MY HEAD. BUT AGAIN, PEOPLE THAT IF YOU TAKE OWNERSHIP OF A CAT, IT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE RABIES SHOTS AND SO FORTH. OKAY. AND IT SHOULD BE LICENSED IN THE CITY JUST LIKE A DOG. SO THOSE THINGS ARE THERE. BUT AGAIN, INDIVIDUALS WILL DECIDE ON WHAT THEY WANT TO ADHERE TO OR NOT. SO AGAIN, JUST LIKE IF WE PICK UP A DOG AND AND A RESIDENT SAYS IT'S MY DOG AND WE FIND OUT, OKAY, WELL, IT'S NOT REGISTERED, DOESN'T HAVE RABIES AND SO FORTH, ALL THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF BEFORE THEY CAN TAKE THAT ANIMAL BACK HOME. AND JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S GOOD OWNERS AND THERE'S BAD OWNERS AND THERE ARE OWNERS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN SIT THERE AND I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN TO WHERE THEY SAY, OKAY, FOR ME TO RECLAIM MY ANIMAL, I'VE GOT TO PAY A $7,070 RECLAIM FEE. I'VE GOT TO GET IT, MAKE SURE IT'S GOT RABIES AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF, AND THEN IT'S SPAYED NEUTERED. OKAY, THEY SAID I DON'T WANT THE DOG BECAUSE I CAN GET ANOTHER FREE ONE TOMORROW. JUST DRIVING DOWN THE STREET. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. OKAY, SO GET A FREE DOG. SO SO YOU. SO SO AGAIN, IF THEY CAN BE CITED, I GUESS THEY ARE CITED IF THEY'RE ANIMALS RUNNING LOOSE. SO THEY'RE GOING TO GET CITED. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S CHEAPER FOR THEM TO PAY THE BILL OR IT'S PAY, PAY THE FINE OR WHATEVER OR JUST NOT RECLAIM THE ANIMALS. SO IT'S JUST IT'S THERE'S WE'RE WE'RE RUNNING UP AGAINST HUMAN NATURE ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES AND WE CAN'T LEGISLATE HUMAN NATURE. AND I WISH THERE WAS A I MEAN, WE'RE I MEAN, THE CHIEF IS IS OFFERING TO GO AND TALK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND SEE, SEE, SEE IF THERE IS SOME KIND OF SOLUTION THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK HERE. BUT AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. THERE'S NO GOOD TO HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS THAT YOU CAN'T ENFORCE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE DISAGREES WITH YOUR CONCERN AT ALL. IT'S JUST HOW DO WE DO IT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. HAVE YOU TRIED TRAPPING THEM YOURSELF? OH, YEAH. YEAH. LOOK, I'VE CAPTURED A FEW. WHAT DID YOU DO WITH THEM? TOOK THEM TO THE ANIMAL CONTROL. HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO GET BACK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR? NOT TOO LONG. OKAY. YEAH. ONE NEIGHBOR FINALLY MOVED HER RING CAMERA SO SHE COULD WATCH AND SEE WHEN I LOAD MY TRAP UP IN MY BACK OF MY TRUCK. YEAH. BECAUSE I'VE ALREADY TOLD THEM I'M DONE. I AM DONE WITH THEM DESTROYING VEHICLES. I'VE HAD IT. AND Y'ALL, NO ONE IS GOING TO GET UPSET ABOUT THAT HAPPENS TO YOUR 50 OR $60,000 VEHICLE. AND WE'RE TALKING SOME MAJOR SCRATCHES. IT'S NOT THAT NOBODY'S GETTING UPSET ABOUT IT. IT IS TAKING CARE OF IT. MA'AM. THAT'S THE DILEMMA. WE UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEM. THEY SCRATCH MINE TOO SOMETIMES. BUT COME ON. LET'S COME UP WITH THE HOW TO STOP IT. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING. WELL, WE ARE TOO. WE'VE TRIED BEFORE. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT. AND AGAIN, THE CHIEF IS GOING TO GO AND SEE IF THERE'S. THERE'S SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, BUT THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO IS WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING. [00:45:05] YEAH. ANYTHING WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. WELL, THE IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE IS THAT PET OWNERS TAKE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND THAT WOULD BE NICE. YOU KNOW, SPCA HAS GOT A SHELTER THAT'S FULL OF CATS AND DOGS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T RESPONSIBLE AND THEY THINK IT'S GREAT TO IT'S GREAT TO GET JOHNNY A PUPPY FOR CHRISTMAS. AND THEY FIND OUT IT'S A 15 YEAR COMMITMENT. AND THAT ANIMAL ENDS UP IN THE SHELTER SOMETIME. OUR SPCA SHELTER IS STUFFED. OH, YEAH, I KNOW. THEY'RE STUFFED EVERYWHERE RIGHT NOW. OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [7. Discuss and consider Resolution No. 963 appointing a representative and alternate to the Houston-Galveston Area Council (H-GAC) Board of Directors for 2025. – Modesto Mundo] OKAY. ITEM SIX. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RESOLUTION NUMBER 963. APPOINTING REPRESENTATIVE AND ALTERNATIVE TO HOUSTON-GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL HVAC BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR YEAR 2025. THIS IS A POSITION THAT I HAVE BEEN HOLDING FOR MANY YEARS AND CONTINUE TO HOLD AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HOLD. AND ALSO COUNCILMAN HAS BEEN MY ON THE BOOKS AS A BACKUP, BUT I HAVEN'T CALLED ON HIM TO BE TO BACK ME UP YET, SO. BUT I'M OKAY WITH THAT UNTIL THE COUNCIL DECIDES TO DO THAT. I MOVE THAT WE KEEP THE SAME REPRESENTATIVE. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A MOTION FOR A SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BUELL AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN BAKER. I'LL BE YOUR BACKUP. I'LL BE BACK UP THE BACKUP. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THANKS. AND JUST AN FYI, I'M WORKING REAL HARD TO GET ON A BOARD THAT IS WITH. HAS TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION. IT'S VERY HARD TO GET ON TO. AND HOPEFULLY I'LL BE ABLE TO GET ON THAT BOARD THIS YEAR. AND IT'S HAS TO DO WITH, LIKE I SAID, TRANSPORTATION. WE NEED REPRESENTATION IN SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY. WE HAVE OTHER THAN COUNTY ENGINEER. WE HAVE NO REPRESENTATION FOR CONCERNING TRAFFIC IN SOUTHERN BRAZORIA COUNTY. HOW DO YOU GET ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER FROM FAIRLAND? WHAT'S HIS NAME? COMMISSIONER. MAYOR? COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER. HE'S BIG IN THE BACK THERE. SHORT FOR PEARLAND. YEAH. THEY DON'T HAVE A COMMISSIONER YET. YEAH, 2 OR 3 OF THEM. YOU GOT LINDER. YOU GOT CANE. OH, YOU GOT ADAM. STACY. STACY'S ON IT. YEAH, YEAH, WE DO FINE. YEAH, YEAH, WE DO GOOD. YEAH, YEAH, HE'S BEEN ON THERE FOR SAME AMOUNT OF TIME I HAVE, I THINK. BUT ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [8. Discuss and consider the revised Police Department Policy Manual. – Paul Kibodeaux] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REVISE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY MANUAL. CHIEF GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. PROBABLY NOT THE MOST EXCITING THING. AND SO YOU'VE HAD A PERIOD OF TIME TO LOOK OVER THE PROPOSED POLICIES. I'D LIKE TO START OFF FIRST BY THANKING MODESTO AND THE MAYOR ONE, TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY A POLICY UPDATE, BUT A SOLUTION TO ALSO A TRAINING SOLUTION AS WELL. TO GO WITH OUR POLICY THAT DISCUSSION WAS HAD SOME TIME AGO, AND WE PARTNERED WITH LEXIPOL TO TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL AND WE'LL SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT. OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE 600 AND SOMETHING PAGES. POLICY WAS ABOUT 253. BUT I'LL SAY THE WAY IT'S PRESENTED, THE WAY THE OFFICERS WILL SEE IT NOW IS A MUCH EASIER PLATFORM. AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER AND I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT COUNCILWOMAN. SETH WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN HAVING, IN THE CONVERSATIONS, TOO, ABOUT THE ABOUT THESE POLICIES UPDATES. AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ALMOST THREE YEARS AGO. YEAH. THAT'S HOW FAST TIME. YEAH. TIME FLIES. SO THIS WAS A HUGE ENDEAVOR ON OUR PART. I'M NOT GOING TO GO BY WITHOUT THANKING SHERRY AS WELL, BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS A BIG PART OF THE PROCESS THAT WE STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHEN WE CONTRACTED WITH LEXIPOL. I THINK IT'S 600 PAGES. I DIDN'T COUNT IT, ACTUALLY, BECAUSE 600. THE METHOD WAS AS ONCE WE CONTRACTED WITH THEM TWO HOURS TWICE A WEEK, TUESDAYS, THURSDAYS. WE JUST CLOSED THE CLOSED THE ROOM OFF IN ADMIN AND WE WERE ON ZOOM WITH WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVE. AND SO IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK. THE ASSISTANT CHIEF, KERRY LANGFORD CAN'T SAY THANK YOU ENOUGH TO HIM AS WELL BECAUSE HE WAS ON EVERY ONE OF THEM. SOMETIMES I WAS JUST HOLDING THE FOLKS BACK. BUT HE HAD THE TIME TO DO IT, AND WE WORKED TOGETHER ON IT FOR A YEAR. AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING, BECAUSE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD POLICY AND TRAINING IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A UNIVERSITY IN TROUBLE REALLY QUICK IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE. [00:50:04] SURE. AND I THINK THANK YOU FOR GETTING THAT DONE. ABSOLUTELY. AND EVERYBODY CAN SEE HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS, ESPECIALLY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TODAY. THE PROCESS AS IT WAS, OF COURSE, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS ALWAYS HAD POLICIES. ANOTHER GOAL OF THIS UPDATE WAS TO SEPARATE POLICY FROM PROCEDURE. POLICIES. USUALLY THERE'S NOT MANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO THE CORE POLICY. SOME OF THE BIG ISSUES IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE WAY WE DO IT, SOMETIMES YOUR PROCEDURES CAN CHANGE. SO IT'S BEEN A LITTLE MESSY OVER THE YEARS TO LEGISLATIVE CHANGES THAT AFFECT POLICY, MAYBE. OR IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A PROCEDURAL CHANGE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY AFFECT THE POLICY. NOW YOU'VE GOT YOUR POLICY AND PROCEDURE IN THE SAME BOOK, THE SAME MANUAL, THEN IT GETS DIFFICULT. WHAT WE DO IS WE ISSUE DIRECTIVES OR MEMOS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES UNTIL WE CAN UPDATE THE POLICY. ANOTHER BIG PLUS WITH LEXIPOL HERE IS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS HOPEFULLY GET THIS APPROVED TONIGHT AND FOR WELL INTO THE FUTURE. THIS ISSUE IS TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE WHAT LEXIPOL DOES IS PROVIDE UPDATES AS THEY HAPPEN AND THOSE GET PUSHED. AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THAT IN THE PRESENTATION. AND THEY PUSHED THAT OUT TO US IN RECOMMENDED POLICIES. WE REVIEW THOSE. WE CAN MAKE CHANGES. WE CAN COVER IT WITH SHERRY AND THEN ADOPT. IT GOES INTO POLICY IMMEDIATELY THAT UPDATE IS PUSHED OUT. THEN TO ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES, THE OFFICERS WHO THEN ARE NOTIFIED OF THE POLICY CHANGE. IT TRACKS THE ACCEPTANCE THAT I GOT THE INFORMATION, BUT IT ALSO PROVIDES LEARNING, PROVIDES A TEST SEQUENCE THAT THEY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY COMPLETELY BEFORE THEY MOVE ON. SO IT'S JUST A CONTINUAL UPDATE. BIG ADVANTAGE. SO WHO IN THE DEPARTMENT? EXCUSE ME. CHIEF? WHO IN THE DEPARTMENT KIND OF KEEPS TRACK OF ALL THAT? OR IS IT JUST AUTOMATED? LIKE, WHO IS ACKNOWLEDGING WHO'S SEEING THAT? OKAY, THIS EMPLOYEE HAS GOTTEN THESE FIVE UPDATES AND THEY'VE. RIGHT. SO THOSE UPDATES DIDN'T COME QUITE AS OFTEN AS THEY WILL WITH THIS. SO OF COURSE ONBOARDING A NEW EMPLOYEE, THAT IS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT THEY COVER IN THEIR TRAINING IS THAT THEY ARE FAMILIAR, HAVE BEEN GIVEN A COPY, HAVE READ AND ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE POLICIES. THERE'S THAT ACKNOWLEDGMENT AS IT GOES. ANY CHANGES TO THAT BY DIRECTIVE OR MEMO OR A NEW POLICY UPDATE GOES OUT TO ALL THE OFFICERS THROUGH THEIR SUPERVISOR. THEY SIGN FOR RECEIPT OF THAT. AND THEN THAT COMES BACK AND WE WE KEEP THAT INFORMATION AT THE STAFF LEVEL. SO IS THAT SYSTEM SYSTEM DATA COLLECTION? COUNCILWOMAN I THINK HE'S ASKING, IS THAT SYSTEM DRIVEN OR IS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S DOING THAT RECORD KEEPING? IS THE SYSTEM DOING IT COMPUTER BASED OR IN THE NEW SYSTEM, THE LEXIPOL? ABSOLUTELY. THE SYSTEM TRACKS THAT FOR YOU, RIGHT? YEAH. SO MOST TIME YOU TRAIN AN OFFICER USUALLY KEEP UP WITH A LOT OF THAT. YEP. JUST A SECOND, CHIEF. LADIES, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG PRESENTATION. WE GOT ANOTHER ONE THAT'S COMING UP AFTER THAT. SO YOU'RE FREE TO YOU CAN FEEL FREE TO SIT HERE AND LEARN ABOUT THINGS. OR YOU CAN. YOU'RE FREE TO STEP OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING ENJOYABLE. IT'S UP TO YOU, UP TO YOU. WON'T HURT MY FEELINGS. WON'T HURT MY LISTENING AT ALL. YEAH, I FOLLOW YOU ON. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE. SO, YEAH, I KIND OF GOT ESSENTIAL. ANOTHER PART OF THAT IS VERY ESSENTIAL FOR ACCREDITATION, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR OTHER MAIN GOALS HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE MANDATED, I THINK, 20, 29, THAT YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR ACCREDITATION. WE'RE AHEAD OF THAT SCHEDULE. BUT GETTING A NEW UPDATED POLICY WAS CRITICAL IN THAT IN THAT PROCESS. SO WE'RE REALLY ON A DOWNHILL SLIDE WHEN WE GET TO TO MOVING TOWARDS OUR ACCREDITATION. DID YOU WANT TO WE'LL GET THERE IN A LITTLE BIT. WE'LL GET TO THE QUESTION THERE. JUST IT IS SYSTEM LAW. YOU HAVE TO COME UP THIS WAY. YOU NEED TO COME UP. WE GOT TO HEAR YOUR BEAUTIFUL VOICE. HEY, YOU CAN BRING THAT LAPTOP. I GOT ROOM FOR YOU. JUST JUST TO POINT THIS OUT. THIS IS A DEMONSTRATION OF THE SYSTEM THAT ALL PERSONNEL HAVE ACCESS TO EITHER ON THE COMPUTER OR ON THEIR PHONES. BUT THE BACKSIDE ADMIN SIDE OF IT HAS AUDIT LOGS FOR EVERY UPDATE, EVERY ACKNOWLEDGMENT, AND EVERY TRAINING BULLETIN THAT WAS PUT OUT AND COMPLETED BY PERSONNEL. SO HERE'S HERE'S, I GUESS FROM A NURSING PERSPECTIVE, LIKE WE HAVE TO AC LIST BLS ALL THESE THINGS AND THOSE THOSE SYSTEMS TRACK AND [00:55:09] LET US KNOW HOW YOU'RE ABOUT TO EXPIRE. BUT ALSO OUR FACILITY ADMINISTRATOR SAYS, HEY, YOUR ACLS HAS EXPIRED. YOU CAN'T WORK THIS WEEK UNLESS YOU GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING THAT THAT IN THE DEPARTMENT COMPONENT OF ARE THEY DOING THIS PART OF IT. AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND YOU THERE. IT'S MAYBE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THAT SOME OF THAT IS A TRAINING CERTIFICATE THING. AND THEN SOME OF IT IS POLICY. NOT EVERY NEW LEGISLATIVE UPDATE WE HAVE EVERY OTHER YEAR, BUT NOT ALL CHANGES IN THAT COULD AFFECT POLICY. SO THERE MAY NOT BE THE POLICY CHANGE WHERE THERE COULD BE TRAINING. THE TRAINING IS TRACKED MAINLY THROUGH THE SERGEANT THAT DOES TRAINING. BUT HE REPORTS THAT TRAINING TO US PERIODICALLY AND ANNUALLY. SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT IT IS MY QUESTION. ALL RIGHT. SO THE TRAINING THAT THEY DO AT LEXIPOL THROUGH THEIR FOR THEIR POLICY IS PRIORITIZED THROUGH THE GORDON GRAHAM RISK MANAGEMENT MODEL. AND WE'LL MOVE THROUGH THAT REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I WANT A SHORT VIDEO THAT JUST GIVES YOU A TASTE OF THAT TRAINING AND HOW THAT HAPPENS. IT'S PRIORITIZED HERE BY HIGH LIABILITY, LOW FREQUENCY. THOSE ARE THE THINGS. AND I'LL LET THE VIDEO CLIP EXPLAIN IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE THINGS THAT WE DON'T RESPOND TO VERY OFTEN, THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LESS FAMILIAR WITH MAYBE ONLY TRAINED A SMALL TIME, BUT IT JUST THINGS, MAJOR THINGS THAT HAPPEN, BUT VERY INFREQUENTLY THEY TEND TO HAVE HIGH LIABILITY. RIGHT. AND SO I'LL LET YOU GO AHEAD AND RUN THE TRAINING CLIP AND YOU'LL SEE HOW THIS IS COVERED. NO GROUCHO MARX JOKES EITHER. GORDON GRAHAM HERE WITH TODAY'S CLIP FROM LEXIPOL. AND TODAY'S TIP IS A FOLLOW UP FROM OUR LAST TIP DEALING WITH WHY THINGS GO RIGHT AND WHY THINGS GO WRONG. AND OUR LAST TIP, I INTRODUCED YOU TO THE RISK FREQUENCY MATRIX. AND HERE IT IS AGAIN FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MY POINT IN THE LAST TIP WAS RARELY DO WE MAKE MISTAKES ON HIGH FREQUENCY EVENTS. THE RIGHT TWO BOXES, THINGS WE DO A LOT WE TEND TO DO VERY WELL. WHEN YOU START STUDYING TRAGEDIES, TOO OFTEN THEY OCCUR IN THE LEFT TWO BOXES. LOW FREQUENCY EVENTS, THINGS WE DO RARELY. NOW, I DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE BOTTOM LEFT BOX BECAUSE THAT'S LOW RISK. EVEN IF IT GOES BAD, THE CONSEQUENCES ARE DE MINIMIS. WHERE I WORRY FOR YOU, WHERE I WORRY FOR EVERYBODY IS IN THE TOP LEFT BOX. WHEN GOOD PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN HIGH RISK, LOW FREQUENCY EVENTS, YOU ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO MAKE A MISTAKE. AND TO BE FAIR, NOT EVERY MISTAKE IS GOING TO END UP IN A TRAGEDY. BUT IF YOU MAKE ENOUGH MISTAKES, SOONER OR LATER ALL THE HOLES IN THE SWISS CHEESE GET LINED UP AGAIN. THE THEORY OF DOCTOR JAMES ROSEN, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT TRIGGERING EVENT FOLLOWED BY THE TRAGEDY, AND IT ENDS UP BEING A HIGH RISK, LOW FREQUENCY EVENT, ANY OCCUPATION, ANY PROFESSION. NOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT TOP LEFT BOX, YOU'LL SEE IT'S DIVIDED INTO TWO AREAS THE DTS AND THE NTS. PT DISCRETIONARY TIME. IF YOU'VE GOT TIME TO THINK BEFORE YOU ACT MDT NON-DISCRETIONARY TIME, YOU HAVE NO TIME TO THINK. YOU HAVE TO ACT IMMEDIATELY. IN MY LONG PROGRAMS, I CALL THE TOP LEFT PORTION OF THE TOP LEFT BOX THOSE HIGH RISK, LOW FREQUENCY, NON-DISCRETIONARY TIME TASKS, THOSE I CALL THE CORE CRITICAL TASKS VERY RISKY. DONE VERY RARELY, WITH NO TIME TO THINK. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT SCARE ME THE MOST. THE DISCRETIONARY TIME TASKS. IF YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK, USE IT. BUT THE NON-DISCRETIONARY TIME TASKS, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT REQUIRE THE CONSTANT ONGOING TRAINING. THAT IS THE GENESIS FOR THE LEXIPOL DTV PROGRAM EVERY DAY, A TRAINING DAY FOCUSING ON THOSE CORE CRITICAL TASKS. FOR RIGHT NOW IN YOUR WORLD, YOU'RE LIVING IN WITH CORONAVIRUS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME SPLIT SECOND DECISIONS IN THAT TOP LEFT CORNER OF THAT TOP LEFT BOX. VERY RISKY. DONE. VERY RARELY, WITH NO TIME TO THINK. PLEASE REMEMBER THIS. THE OVERALL MISSION OF EVERYBODY IN PUBLIC SAFETY IS PRESERVATION OF LIFE, AND EVERY DECISION YOU MAKE HAS GOT TO FOCUS ON PRESERVATION OF LIFE. PLEASE THINK THAT THROUGH. THAT'S YOUR JOB AS A PUBLIC SAFETY PROFESSIONAL. AND THAT IS TODAY'S TIP FROM LEXIPOL. GORDON GRAHAM SIGNING OFF DAILY TRAINING BULLETINS. SO THAT'S HOW THEY CHOOSE WHICH POLICY WHICH ITEMS IN THE POLICY TO SEND OUT. OBVIOUSLY THE THE HIGH RISK LOW FREQUENCY IS FIRST. YOU CAN ALSO JUST ADD TO THAT REAL QUICK IS THAT MANY YEARS AGO I WAS INVOLVED IN TRAINING AND SETTING UP TRAINING PROGRAMS OUT AT THE, AT THE PLANTS AND STUFF, AND THAT KIND OF HIT A HIT, HIT ME KIND OF HARD BECAUSE I REMEMBER BACK THEN WAS, IS THAT THERE WAS A TENDENCY TO FOCUS ON. PUT MORE FOCUS ON THE HIGH FREQUENCY TASK INSTEAD OF THE LOW FREQUENCY BECAUSE YOU SAY, OKAY, I'VE GOT A LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME TO TRAIN PEOPLE, SO I'M GOING TO TRAIN. [01:00:08] SO THE THINGS THEY HAVE TO DO DAY IN AND DAY OUT THAT THEY DO DAMN GOOD. AND THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S JUST WHEN WE GOT TIME TO GO DO IT, THIS IS ALMOST COMPLETELY OPPOSITE AND I UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE IT'S HIGHER IF ESPECIALLY IF IT'S HIGH RISK. YEAH. SO AND I THINK THESE KIND OF TRAININGS IN A FEW MINUTES AT A TIME THAT THEY GET PUSHED OUT TO THE OFFICERS, TRACKED, MEASURED ARE A GREAT SOLUTION TO TRAINING ON YOUR POLICY. WE CAN ALSO CUSTOMIZE TRAINING HAVE A SCENARIO THAT WE THINK EVERYONE SHOULD RETRAIN ON. WE CAN PUSH THAT OUT THE SAME METHOD. THEY'LL GET IT, IT'LL TRACK THEM, AND IT'LL MEASURE THEM ON IT. IF ANY OF THOSE THAT THE OFFER GOES THROUGH TRAINING. AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A TRAINING TOPIC THAT YOU MAY SEE IF THE OFFICER GETS THAT BULLETIN AND DOESN'T ANSWER THE QUESTIONS PROPERLY. IT'LL JUST TELL THEM TO TRY IT AGAIN. AND THAT'S THE PHILOSOPHY THAT IT'S GOING TO TRY IT AGAIN UNTIL THEY GET IT RIGHT. BY THE TIME THEY LEAVE THAT SESSION, THEY'LL HAVE IT RIGHT. CHIEF, HOW MANY AGENCIES USE LEXIPOL? OH, A BUNCH. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? IN TEXAS? TEXAS. I KNOW MOST OF YOUR ACCREDITED ONES DO. IT'S THE BEST WELL KNOWN POLICY MANAGER BEING USED RIGHT NOW THAT I'M AWARE OF IN LAW ENFORCEMENT CIRCLES. SO SMARTPHONE APP AS WELL HAVE IT RIGHT THERE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS ALL THE TIME. SO WHAT WE'LL COVER HERE IS CROSS REFERENCE AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE POLICY KIND OF A, A SPREADSHEET. AND WHEN I EXPLAIN HOW THIS THING WAS CONSTRUCTED, YOU'LL, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND. SO LEXIPOL GETS ALL. I MEAN, HUNDREDS OF AGENCIES FROM TEXAS AND ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTRY, AND THEY TAKE BEST PRACTICES. THEY TAKE STATE LAW, THEY TAKE FEDERAL LAW TPC INPUT, AND THEY PUT ALL THAT TOGETHER IF YOU WANT TO AND JUST MAKE A PERFECT POLICY, IF YOU WILL, OR AT LEAST A STARTING POINT. ONCE THEY HAVE THAT OVER TIME AND OF COURSE, LEGAL TEAMS THAT, THAT CONSTRUCT THIS WITH THEM, THEN THEY TAKE OUR OWN POLICY AND SHOW US WHERE, OKAY, THIS IS OUR POLICY. THE THINGS THAT WE HIGHLIGHT HERE THAT ARE WITHIN STATE LAW AND FEDERAL, YOU'VE GOT TO MEET THESE GUIDELINES. IT'S HIGHLIGHTED. THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALREADY HAD A POLICY, OR THAT YOU'RE GOING TO ADOPT A POLICY IN THAT AREA. YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS AROUND WITH THAT A WHOLE LOT. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF THAT. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE IS A LIST OF OF POLICIES IF YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBER TO THE RIGHT. THOSE ARE WE FIRST AMENDMENT ASSEMBLIES. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE CURRENT NEW POLICY. IN THE NEW POLICY. AND ON THE RIGHT THERE, THAT'S THE NUMBER OF THE CURRENT POLICY. OUR OLD POLICY, IF YOU WILL, THAT MATCHES THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THAT'S COVERED WHERE YOU SEE NONE. IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A POLICY FOR IT. WE MAY HAVE HAD A MEMO OR DIRECTIVE THAT COVERED THAT THE POLICY WASN'T UPDATED TO THAT OR IT'S JUST COMPLETELY NEW TO POLICY. DRONES IS A GOOD EXAMPLE AS WELL. WHEN DRONES CAME OUT AND THINGS TRANSPIRED WE DON'T HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT FLY DRONES, SO WE JUST PUT OUT A DIRECTIVE FOR THOSE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROGRAM. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF NUNS ON THAT LIST. SO THAT'S HOW WE GOT FROM 253 PAGES TO 630 30 PAGES. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A MUCH EASIER POLICY TO NAVIGATE. AND THE TRAINING ASPECT IS IS BIG. SO LET'S SEE PAUL. REAL QUICK. YES. TALKING ABOUT DIRECTIVES AND STUFF. AND I THINK YOU'VE HIT ON IT A FEW TIMES. AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU SAID THAT SOME OF THE PROBLEMS IN THE ONE WAY THAT WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT ON OUR POLICIES AND STUFF IS THAT WE DID DIRECTIVES AND THEY STAYED DIRECTIVES BEFORE, TOO LONG BEFORE THEY BECAME POLICY. SO DOES THIS PROGRAM HAVE LIKE A TIMELINE OR A TIME LIMIT ON A TIMETABLE, ON SAYING THAT A DIRECTIVE CAN ONLY HAS A LIFESPAN OF SO LONG BEFORE IT HAS TO BE A POLICY, OR THIS DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN ADD TO OR ALTER POLICY BY DIRECTIVE, WHICH WE HAD THAT IN PLACE BEFORE, BUT I WOULDN'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE REALLY NECESSARY BECAUSE YOU CAN ALTER POLICY SO EASILY. RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS THAT YOU CAN DO IT. NOW, IF YOU CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PUSHED TO US FROM LEXIPOL, AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT IN OUR OWN DISCUSSIONS AND OUR OWN POLICY FOR OUR OWN NEEDS. WE JUST GO IN THERE AND PUT IT IN, PUSHES IT OUT. EVERYBODY GETS IT, OKAY. BUT IT WAS I'M THE ONE THAT TOOK ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, THE DIRECTIVES AND MEMOS. [01:05:05] SO WE HAD OUR POLICY THAT WE WOULD ISSUE, AND THEN WE'D EXPECT THEM TO GO THROUGH MEMOS AND DIRECTIVES. AND SOME OF THEM, THE PAGES WERE YELLOW. I TOOK THAT FILTERED THROUGH ALL THE ONES THAT WERE EXPIRED OR IRRELEVANT AND MADE A SPREADSHEET WITH A HYPERLINK. AND I'LL GIVE CREDIT TO ASHLEY. SHE HELPED A BUNCH, TOO. BUT IT SIMPLIFIED IT, BUT IT'S STILL NOT THE BEST PROCESS. SO 2017 TO NOW. THAT'S HOW LONG IT'S TAKEN TO GET THAT DONE. THAT'S WHY I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE NOW IT'S JUST AN ONGOING PROCESS. AND THIS SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE APP THAT THE OFFICERS, EVEN IN THE FIELD, IF THEY WANT TO REFER BACK TO A POLICY, THEY'VE GOT IT AT THEIR AT THEIR FINGERTIPS. HERE'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING IN THIS SITUATION. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS VALUABLE TOOL. EXACTLY CORRECT. IF YOU YOU HAVE A POLICY AND THEY'RE PARTICIPATING WITH A DIFFERENT AGENCY AS A LEAD, DO THEY? AND YOUR POLICIES DO NOT MATCH. WHAT? HOW IS THAT? THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW OUR POLICIES. IF THEY THINK OR THEY WANT TO GO OUTSIDE THAT POLICY, THEY HAVE TO CONTACT A SUPERVISOR IF THEY'RE GOING TO OVERRIDE THAT. NOW IN THE FIELD YOU KNOW, THEY'LL ALWAYS TELL YOU POLICIES AND KIND OF LIKE GUIDELINES IN THAT YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THERE'S ALWAYS NEW EXPERIENCES. THINGS HAPPEN VERY, VERY QUICKLY. BUT IN A TIME LIKE THAT WHERE YOU HAD TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE YOUR POLICY AND PURSUITS. PROBABLY A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR PURSUIT. THEY COME INTO OUR TOWN, WE FOLLOW OUR POLICIES. WE IF WE'RE GOING TO ASSIST, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE IN IT, AND WE'RE PRETTY MUCH GOING TO MAINTAIN INTERSECTIONS AND KEEP THINGS SAFE. WE CAN'T GO OUTSIDE OUR POLICY. IF THERE WAS A SITUATION THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED TO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT THEIR SUPERVISOR FOR THAT PERMISSION. AND THEN HE BEARS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT NUMBER, 307, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT DID NOT ADDRESS A THIRD PARTY INVOLVEMENT IN WHAT TO DO IN THAT CASE. SO THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING. THAT SHORTER ANSWER IS THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR POLICIES ALWAYS CAN BE EXCEPTIONS IF NECESSARY. TERRITORY THEY GOT TO THE OTHER AGENCY. THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN. I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR PEOPLE. OUR PEOPLE HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR POLICY. WE'RE NOT LIABLE FOR THEM. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT RIGHT NOW. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU GET AWAY FROM RESPONSIBILITY. IF YOU WERE TO ENGAGE AND AND YOU'RE OUTSIDE YOUR POLICY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. HAVE TO FOLLOW THE POLICY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. IT'S KIND OF HARD FOR YOU TO SEE, BUT WHAT IT SAYS THERE IN THE UPPER LEFT, I THINK. CARRIE, IS THAT RIGHT? THERE YOU GO. BEST PRACTICES IN TOPEKA, TEXAS POLICE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION WHO HAVE INPUT INTO LEXIPOL DATA. SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. PERSONNEL. PERSONNEL COMPLAINTS. JUST HOW THE THE POLICY IS CONSTRUCTED. BUT YOU'LL SEE HERE GOING THROUGH THERE'S A YELLOW SECTION I MENTIONED THAT SAYS FOR ACCREDITATION THEY REALLY DIDN'T WANT YOU TO MESS AROUND. NOW SOME MINOR WORDINGS A LOG VERSUS A MANNER THAT RECORDS. THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS THAT REALLY DON'T APPLY TO US, BUT OVERALL WE DIDN'T MESS WITH THOSE SECTIONS. BUT YOU COULD SEE WHERE THOSE CORRECTIONS WERE MADE. CHEAP. WAS THE POLICY REORGANIZED IN A IN A FORMAT THAT WAS EASIER TO FOR THE OFFICERS TO GO THROUGH. AND THAT'S WHY I WAS SAYING EVEN AND KERRY WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE HERE IN JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS THEY WALK THROUGH IT. BUT ONE THING I FAILED TO MENTION, TALKING ABOUT ORGANIZATION OF THE POLICY ON THAT EXCEL SPREADSHEET. YOU'LL SEE THAT SOMETIMES THERE WAS NOT ONLY ONE NUMBER REFERENCING THE OLD POLICY, THERE WAS MULTIPLE BECAUSE IT WAS THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC WAS IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE POLICY MANUAL. SO THAT'S A DIFFICULT, DIFFICULT ROPE TO WALK IF YOU MAKE A CHANGE IN ONE. BUT FORGET TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THE OTHERS. RIGHT. THIS TOOK THAT AND CONSOLIDATED IT. SO THIS IS THE CMS KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IN CASE YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THE OFFICERS WOULD SEE. SO GO THROUGH THE POLICIES, THE TEN SECTIONS THERE AT THE BOTTOM, YOU JUST SCROLL THROUGH THOSE. ANY ONE OF THEM THAT THEY NEED A REFRESH ON OR READ ORIGINALLY, JUST CLICK ON IT AND THEN IT BREAKS IT DOWN INTO THE CATEGORIES. [01:10:02] WHAT'S THE CHECK MARK IN APPROVAL. BECAUSE WE HADN'T COME HERE AND GOT THE OH FOR US TO SIGN OFF ON IT. YEAH. AS SOON AS WE SEND IT BACK WITH A BLESSING THEN THEY'LL, THEY'LL THEY'LL MARK IT ADOPTED. SO YES. SO KEYWORD SEARCH. LIKE YOU SAID, THEY COULD BE ON THEIR APP, GO TO THEIR JUST WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT. EVERYWHERE. THAT PHRASE IS AUTOMATICALLY FIXED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FUNCTIONALITY ON THEIR SIDE? WELL, THE ONLY THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS YOU KNOW IT. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST THINKING BACK, MY MIND IS IT'S KIND OF LIKE ON OUR ORDINANCES AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WE HAVE THE SYSTEM WHERE ONCE WE, WE APPROVE AN ORDINANCE, THEN IT'S SENT UP AND IT'S, IT'S PUT, YOU KNOW, INTO THE SYSTEM AND YOU CAN DO SEARCHES AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. THING I LIKE ABOUT THIS IS YOU'RE SAYING IT'S INSTANTANEOUS. OURS IS NOT BECAUSE THEY CODIFY OR WHATEVER ONCE. HOW OFTEN WE DO THAT? ONCE EVERY SIX MONTHS OR SO. DO IT EVERY THREE MONTHS. OKAY. EVERY THREE MONTHS. SO WE CAN WRITE AN ORDINANCE AND WE CAN APPROVE IT, BUT IT WON'T SHOW UP. YOU DID A SEARCH ONLINE. IT WON'T SHOW UP FOR THREE MONTHS. AND SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THIS IS MORE IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAN OUR STUFF. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT IS EXTREMELY USEFUL IN THIS IN THIS PROCESS AND TRAINING TO ME IS STILL THE NUMBER ONE, RIGHT? I CAN SET UP A TRAINING ON A PARTICULAR SUBJECT TO HIT THEM EVERY EVERY TWO MONTHS. EVERY THREE MONTHS IF I WANTED TO. YEAH. SO WHAT WAS YOUR IMPRESSION OF WHENEVER Y'ALL TOOK OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND YOU CO-MINGLED IT OR MARRIED IT TO THIS COMPANY'S POLICIES AND PROCEDURES OR BEST PRACTICES, OR WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? I MEAN, HOW MUCH WAS IT? I MEAN, IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE WAY OFF. OR WERE WE SOMEWHERE? NOW, THOSE POLICIES THAT ARE COMMON, THAT ARE LONG STANDING OVER THAT WERE DEVELOPED A LONG TIME AGO, THOSE DON'T REALLY CHANGE. I MEAN, USE OF FORCE, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE A LOT. I MEAN, LITTLE THINGS. AND YOU USUALLY AWARE OF THEM 2017 THE LAST TIME THE UPDATE THAT WAS THE SANDRA BLAND ACT, THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOSE BASIC ONES. THEY DON'T. THERE'S NOT A LOT THAT AFFECTS THEM. AND WE WERE RIGHT THERE WITH IT. CHIEF, THIS WAS A MASSIVE PROJECT. IT WAS WELL DONE. WELL, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO GIVE CARRIE A WHOLE LOT OF CREDIT TO THAT. THE ASSISTANT CHIEF WORKED HARD TO STAY ON TASK WITH THAT, WHILE STILL KEEPING ALL THE OTHER BALLS IN THE AIR THAT HE'S GOT TO JUGGLE EVERY DAY. AND IT WAS TOUGH. SO WE DID. WE WORKED HARD AT IT, BUT WE WERE EXCITED ABOUT IT. AND EVEN MORE SO ONCE THIS IS ADOPTED THAT WE MOVE TOWARDS ACCREDITATION. WELL, YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT IT WAS, IS THAT WHEN WE WE SAT DOWN AND TALKED ABOUT THIS YOU KNOW, AFTER WE HAD A FEW INCIDENTS AND STUFF AND WE TALKED ABOUT AND. THE GUYS ON YOUR SIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU AND ASSISTANT CHIEF WERE THERE, AND Y'ALL ALL UNDERSTOOD. WE ALL UNDERSTOOD THE WHY, WHY WE NEEDED TO GO DO THIS. AND THEN YOU CAME BACK AND SAID, I FOUND A WAY TO DO IT. AND THAT'S THAT'S EXTREMELY POSITIVE. AND AGAIN, I APPLAUD YOU ALL. THE DEPARTMENT, YOU AS A LEADER IN THE DEPARTMENT FOR TAKING ON THIS CHALLENGE BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE CHALLENGE, YOU KNOW, AND WORKING TOWARDS STATE, VERY EASY TO PASS THE BUCK TO THE NEXT. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT GOAL OF STATE ACCREDITATION IS, LIKE YOU SAID, IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY THING. BUT IT'S IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN BE VERY PROUD OF ONCE WE ACHIEVE IT. WELL, AND THAT WAS MY THANKS IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE IT WAS A GOOD, A GOOD PROGRAM TO GO FORWARD WITH. BUT WE HAD YOUR SUPPORT AND, YOU KNOW, IT ALWAYS COST A FEW DOLLARS. I THINK IT COULDN'T BE BETTER SPENT. RIGHT. SHARED COSTS WITH THE FORFEITURE FUND AND AND CITY FUNDS TO GET THIS DONE. AND GOING FORWARD I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE THE FUTURE. SO ONCE THIS IS BLESSED AND THIS IS MAYBE TOO FAR INTO YOUR PRESENTATION, BUT ONCE THIS IS BLESSED, WHAT IS THE I MEAN, WHEN YOU ROLL IT OUT TO THE TO THE GROUP, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO OBVIOUSLY THIS IS ALMOST LIKE THEIR ONBOARDING RIGHT? SO I WOULD LIKE TO DO IT WITH DEPARTMENT MEETING WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS SUMMER. JUST BUSY TIME. AND I REALLY WANTED TO GET THIS ROLLED OUT AND WANTED TO SAVE THE TIME WHERE WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S A PLAN FOR THAT. WE'LL PROBABLY COVER IT IN SHIFTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF YOUR SWORN OFFICERS, AND THERE'S FOUR SHIFTS AND KIND OF LIKE WE DID THE TRAINING LAST SUMMER JUST LIKE THAT. [01:15:08] AND WE'LL JUST HAVE A WHOLE DAY OF, YEAH, ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. BUT ALSO YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT AND HOW TO USE IT. RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, CAN WE CAN WE SET AND TEST ON EVERY SINGLE. THE POLICIES ARE VERY SIMILAR. SO THEY NEED TO READ IT FOR ONE. BUT TO DIGEST IT THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME TESTING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT A WHILE. A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. THE OTHER GREAT THING IS WHEN WHEN WE GO THROUGH THIS POLICY, ESPECIALLY I THINK IT'S CHAPTER TEN. WE SENT IT OVER TO JOSE. SO THANKS TO HIM AS WELL. IN THE PERSONNEL DEPARTMENT. AND SO WE DIDN'T EVER GET KIND OF STEPPING ON TOES OR, OR CHANGING THE POLICE POLICY WHEN IN REGARDS TO PERSONNEL AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIS THING JUST LINKS DIRECTLY. DO YOU HAVE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT? OF WHAT? THE LINK TO THE CITY PERSONNEL, THE CITY POLICY. INSTEAD OF WRITING A PD POLICY THAT MATCHED THE CITY POLICY AND WORRYING ABOUT THAT, THIS THING JUST LINKS AND WILL WHEN THEY GET TO A SECTION, IT'LL SAY, SEE, CITY POLICY, WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE SUBJECT IS, IT'S REGARDING, AND THEN IT'LL JUST LINK THEM STRAIGHT UP TO THE POLICY. JUST A HYPERLINK TO IT. YEAH. THAT WAS KIND OF AN ACCOMMODATION HE MADE FOR US, AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA AND IT WORKS GREAT. SO THERE'S YOUR LINKS TO. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND THIS IS JOSE'S NEXT PROJECT IS TO BRING THE PERSONNEL MANUAL UP TO SPEED. NOW TO MAX. THIS ONE. YEAH. THE CHIEF SET A NEW STANDARD, BUT. WE SENT THE WHOLE THING OVER TO HIM TO. AND THIS WAS A GREAT SOLUTION. YEAH. BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO SIT AND HAVE TO READ ALL THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WAS. OKAY. SO IT TOOK YOU RIGHT TO THE CITY POLICY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR THAT I CAN COVER WITH WITH THE POLICY. THIS IS A GREAT COMPUTER BASED TRAINING. YOU CAN CLICK AND FIND WHAT YOU NEED TO FIND WHEN YOU NEED TO FIND IT. AND IT'S ALL THERE FOR THEM TOO. I LIKE IT FOR THAT REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, A FEW THAT I TALKED ABOUT, BUT KIND OF THAT WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE JOB, YOU GO TO A CALL AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THIS FROM SOME OF THE THE BEST EDUCATORS I HAD IN THE BEGINNING OF MY LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER WERE GUYS THAT HAD BEEN IN THE BUSINESS A LONG TIME, AND YOU'D GO TO A CALL AND YOU'RE A LITTLE UNSURE. MAYBE YOU HAD QUESTIONS AND YOU'D MEET UP. WHEN WE CALL IT TEN, 25 JUST MEANS MEET UP AND YOU PULL UP NEXT TO THEM THROUGH THE WINDOW AND YOU TALK AND YOU GAIN THAT KNOWLEDGE, AND YOU MAYBE PULL THE BOOK OUT AND GO THROUGH IT. OH, YEAH. YEAH. LIKE YOURSELF OLD TIMES, OLD TIMES. BUT I LEARNED A LOT THAT WAY. AND THIS IS KIND OF THAT WAY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT YOU READ THE PAPER AND YOU SEE. WOW, THIS HAPPENED HERE. THIS HAS HAPPENED HERE. YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS. YOU CAN FIND WHERE POLICY APPLIES TO A SITUATION. MAYBE IT'S NOT EVEN HERE IN LAKE JACKSON. MAYBE IT'S SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT YOU THINK, WOW, WE NEED TO COVER THAT INSTANT. THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE VEHICLE COMPUTERS. IT'LL BE ON THEIR APPS, NOT IN THE CARS. IT IS ON ALL OF THE STATIONS AT THE PD, THEIR WORK STATIONS, SO THEY CAN GET INTO IT. YES. ONCE ACCREDITED. WHAT IT CAN BE AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC FACING TO THE PUBLIC POSTED ON THE CITY WEBSITE. OKAY. SO YES. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, ASSISTANT CHIEF. ALL RIGHT. SO THIS WAS ITEM EIGHT DISCUSSING CONSIDER REVISED DEPARTMENT POLICY MANUAL. SO CONSIDER BEING AS WE CAN APPROVE IT. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE APPROVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY MANUAL AS PRESENTED BY THE CHIEF. SECONDED. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. GREAT WORK. [9. Discuss and consider amending Chapter 14 (Section 14-1) adoption of technical codes to transition from 2018 to 2021 International Codes. – David Walton] ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM EIGHT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AMENDING CHAPTER 14, SECTION 14 DASH ONE. EXCITING STUFF. I'M JUST KIDDING. OKAY. JUST KIDDING. OH, DARN IT. THIS IS DAVID'S. OKAY. ADOPTION OF TECHNICAL CODES. LET'S GET TECHNICAL HERE TO TRANSITION FROM 2018 TO 2021. [01:20:05] INTERNATIONAL CODES. IT'S ALWAYS REFRESHING TO GET UP AFTER SOMEBODY WITH SUCH A RESPECTABLE HAIRCUT. I DID PROMISE MODESTO 45 MINUTES. AND THAT'S BILL. HE'S GOING TO ROLL OVER BECAUSE HE HAD AN HOUR AND A HALF'S WORTH. HE'S NOT DEAD YET. WHEN I ORIGINALLY ROLLED OVER. YOU WANT TO INVITE HIM? NO, ACTUALLY, IT'S BAD, BUT WE WON'T GO THROUGH ALL THAT. I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE THESE BOOKS ARE JUST THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO SOME OF THE MODEL CODES. SOME OF THEM. MY JOB WAS TO GO THROUGH AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES YOU GUYS WANTED TO EVEN LOOK AT, RIGHT? MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHITTLE THAT DOWN EVEN MORE. TO WHICH ONES ARE YOU GOING TO REALLY NEED TO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF? IF I CAN, CAN I? I'M GOING TO STEAL THE REMOTE, BECAUSE WHILE I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A WHOLE LOT OF TIME IN HERE, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THE MAJORITY OF IT UP TO QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I DO WANT TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE ARE CHANGES WHICH ARE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT FOR THE BUILDERS, SIGNIFICANT FOR FUTURE YOUR HOMEOWNERS. SOME OF THAT IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY UPDATES IN NOT JUST THE BUILDING CODES AND TECHNOLOGIES, BUT ALSO THINGS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING. SO WE'LL GO JUST NOT. ALL RIGHT. SO QUICKLY. THE PURPOSE BEHIND A CODE UPDATE IS TO ALLOW FOR THE CODE TO KEEP UP WITH TECHNOLOGY, ALLOW FOR THE CODE TO KEEP UP WITH CHANGES IN LEGISLATION. SPECIFICALLY THE WHOLE GOAL IS TO MAKE BUILDING SAFER BUILDINGS MORE RESILIENT BUILDINGS MORE ENERGY EFFICIENT. AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE SOME CITIES THAT ARE STILL ON THE 2015 CODES, SOME ON THE 2018 AND THEN SOME ON THE 2021. WHAT IS NOT SHOWN? I DID NOT INCLUDE OTHER JURISDICTIONS AROUND US IN WHICH WE DO RECEIVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC FROM OR BUILDERS MIGHT TEND TO CROSS OVER. PEARLAND, HOUSTON, SUGAR LAND, MISSOURI CITY, AND WEBSTER ALL ON THE 2021 BUILDING CODES CURRENTLY. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY MAKING THE MOVE. THERE ISN'T ANYBODY THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT HAS MOVED TO THE 2024 CODE. I HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THAT BEFORE STEPPING BACK. THERE'S THINGS IN THE 2024 CODE THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS PREPARED FOR, INCLUDING AND I WOULD IMAGINE PERHAPS THE LEGISLATURE MIGHT TACKLE SOME OF THEM, SUCH AS A GRID CONNECTED THERMOSTATIC CONTROLS ON YOUR HOT WATER HEATER AND YOUR YOUR HOUSE THERMOSTATS. RIGHT. I DIDN'T FIGURE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PALATABLE FOR FOR OUR CITIZENS, MUCH LESS YOU KNOW, FOR ANYBODY AT THAT. IS IT A IS IT A FAIR ASSUMPTION THAT OVER 2018. BUT IF WE ADOPT 2021, FOR EXAMPLE, ANGLETON'S AT 2015 RIGHT NOW? YES. IS THAT IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD A HOME IN LAKE JACKSON VERSUS ANGLETON BECAUSE OF CODES. IF WE ADOPT 2021. YES. AND I'LL ACTUALLY GET TO THAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO BUILD A HOME IN LAKE JACKSON UNDER THE 2021 THAN IT CURRENTLY IS UNDER THE 2018. HOWEVER, THAT'S GOING TO BE PUSHED BY FINANCING THROUGH FEDERAL PROGRAMS, RIGHT? ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF ADOPTING MODERN BUILDING CODES OR KEEPING YOUR CODE UP TO DATE IS YOUR INSURANCE RATING. WE WENT THROUGH A INSURANCE AUDIT THROUGH THE ISO LAST YEAR. WE DID SCORE A FOUR IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH WERE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS FROM THE SIX AND THE FIVE THAT WE HAD PREVIOUS. SO HOW DOES THAT SCALE GO? THE SCALE IS 1 TO 10, WITH TEN BEING THE LEAST EFFECTIVE. BUILDING CODE AND ENFORCEMENTS. VERY FEW CITIES ACHIEVE A ONE. MOST CITIES ARE IN THE 4 TO 5 RANGE. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN GOOD COMPANY. THAT MEANS THAT THE CITIZENS OF LAKE JACKSON ARE ENJOYING, FOR THE MOST PART, A LOWER INSURANCE RATING FROM THEIR INSURANCE COMPANIES THAN PERHAPS SOME OTHER SURROUNDING CITIES. EVERY CITY DOES AN ISO AUDIT IN TEXAS EVERY ABOUT EVERY FIVE YEARS. TEXAS WINDSTORM I JUST GOT AN INCREASE OF $1,000. THIS HAS NO CONTROL OVER WINDSTORM. THAT IS A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PROGRAM. WE TRY TO GO TO 2018. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER THAT A LOT OF CONTRACTORS AND RENTERS RENTAL HOME OWNERS HAD A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. THEY THEY HAD VOICED THEIR CONCERN THAT WHAT WOULD IT DO TO THEM IF WE DID THAT? HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANY OF THESE FOLKS THAT WE ARE REMOTELY THINKING ABOUT DOING THIS? NO. AT THIS TIME WE HAVE NOT HELD A BUILDERS MEETING TO TO DISCUSS THE, THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS, BUT WE MOST DEFINITELY CAN AND SHOULD BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT WE [01:25:07] IMPLEMENT THE CODE, BECAUSE YOU MADE A, YOU MADE A STRONG EFFORT TO SCHEDULE TIME WITH THOSE KEY PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN AND GET THE UNDERSTANDING SO THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WEREN'T GOING BY ASSUMPTION OF WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE TO THEM, YOU WERE EXPLAINING WHAT THE IMPACT AND YOU WERE LEARNING FROM THEM TOO. BUT YEAH. YEAH. AND AND ONCE AGAIN, THOSE MEETINGS COULD BE SCHEDULED IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE TO THE 2021 CODE. AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON HOW BIG A PART WE'RE GOING TO STIR UP. WELL, ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO FIND AND WE'LL DISCUSS HERE IN THE SLIDES. AND IT'S OUTLINED IN THE SLIDES THAT, THAT THE SPECIFICALLY ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO BUILD USING HUD OR USDA FUNDS WILL HAVE TO MEET THE 2021 CODE STANDARDS STARTING NEXT YEAR. SO THAT REALLY KIND OF I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD FORCE AS OUR HAND INTO DOING ANYTHING, BUT IT BENEFITS US TO HAVE ONE STANDARD FOR ALL BUILDING CONSTRUCTION ACROSS THE BOARD VERSUS TRYING TO SAY, WELL, WHO'S WHO'S FUNDING YOUR PROJECT? THIS IS THE STANDARD BY WHICH WE MUST DO YOUR INSPECTIONS VERSUS SOMEBODY ELSE WHO MIGHT HAVE PRIVATE FINANCING. MAYBE YOU COVER THIS DOWN THE DOWN THE PRESENTATION, BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT THE CURRENT HOMES? WE GET A PERMIT. IF WE GO TO THE 2018, 2021 DO THEY HAVE TO BE UPGRADED TO 2021 OR CAN THEY STAY? IS THAT GRANDFATHER CLAUSE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER THE THE BUILDING CODES ARE, WITH THE VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS AND MOSTLY BECAUSE CITIES MIGHT REQUIRE IT, ARE NOT RETROACTIVE. SO IF YOU ADOPT THE 2021 CODE, THERE WOULD BE AN EFFECTIVE DATE, ANY APPLICATION THAT CAME IN AFTER THAT EFFECTIVE DATE OR ON THAT EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE CODE AT THAT TIME. ANY CURRENT HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR THAT'S IN FOR FOR PLAN REVIEW OR OR PERMITS. BUT HE HASN'T STARTED YET, IS STILL GOING TO BE BUILT UNDER THE PREVIOUS CODE. SO ANYBODY IF IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS WHICH WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE END. BUT IF COUNCIL MOVES FORWARD WITH THIS, ANYBODY THAT SUBMITS PLANS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND LET'S JUST, YOU KNOW, USE A SUBDIVISION THAT THAT HAS BEEN PLATTED AND CLEARED AS AN EXAMPLE NORTH OF 2004, IF THEY WERE TO TO THROW IT ALL TOGETHER BETWEEN NOW AND THE AND THE IMPLEMENTATION DATE, THEY WOULD STILL BE BUILDING UNDERNEATH THE PREVIOUS CODE. WHAT ABOUT REMODELING? REMODELING WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE AT THE TIME THAT THEY SUBMIT. SO IF THEY SUBMITTED AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE, THEY WOULD MEET THE NEW CODE STANDARD. SO IF WE APPROVE THIS AND DECIDE, YES, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. WHEN WOULD THIS BE IMPLEMENTED? WHAT TIME FRAME? IT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE HAVE A JANUARY 1ST ADOPTION TIME. SO JUST TO GO THROUGH AND AGAIN, I JUST LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME WORKSHOPS BEFORE WITH THE BUILDERS. WE ABSOLUTELY CAN IF THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL WOULD LIKE US TO DO. WE ABSOLUTELY CAN. OR IF ADMINISTRATION WOULD LIKE US TO, WE'LL PUT TOGETHER SOME SOME WORKSHOPS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF OF THE CODE WITH THE BUILDERS. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT AN OUTLIER WITH THIS ADOPTION. WE ARE IN LINE WITH WITH A LOT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS. WE DON'T MIND DOING THAT. WE JUST DON'T GET IT'S NOT A LOT OF PARTICIPATION. THE ONLY TIME WE ASK IS WHAT WAS THE WHAT WAS YOUR EXPERIENCE LAST TIME WHEN YOU TRIED TO DO WE GET PARTICIPATION IN THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE? WELL, WE HAD A LOT WHEN WE WERE PROPOSING A RENTAL INSPECTION PROGRAM ON HOUSES. THAT WAS A LOT OF PARTICIPATION, BUT WE HELD WE HELD A A WORKSHOP FORUM BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR ON THE ELECTRICAL CODE, THE ELECTRICAL CODE, BECAUSE THE STATE IS SET UP TO ADOPT THE LATEST VERSION BY REFERENCE THROUGH TDLR. SO WE HAD WHEN THE STATE WENT TO THE 2023 ELECTRICAL CODE, IT'S IN OUR ORDINANCE TO ALSO MOVE ALONG WITH THEM. SO WE HELD A WORKSHOP WITH THE ELECTRICIANS. WE HAD SOMEWHERE AROUND TEN, SOME OF WHICH WERE FROM THE SAME COMPANIES. SO WE DO ADVERTISE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL GOING TO SHOW UP. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP. AND WE HELD A A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE MEETING WITH LANDLORDS AND HELD A SEPARATE ONE FOR, FOR TENANTS. LAST YEAR WE HAD MORE PARTICIPATION FROM THE LANDLORDS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE TENANTS. SO I MEAN YOU CAN ADVERTISE THEM AND WE WILL AND WE'LL, WE'LL RESERVE THIS SPACE FOR THAT PURPOSE AND WE'LL SEND YOU THE INVITES AS WELL. WE'LL DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE. ABSOLUTELY. PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW. [01:30:03] SO YEAH, WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO BE A SURPRISE. DAVID, DO YOU HAVE ANY FEEL FOR THE CONTRACTORS WHO DO COME IN? HOW MANY ARE FROM THE HOUSTON AREA OUTSIDE, OR AT LEAST OUTSIDE THE CITY? NOBODY WHO'S WHO'S DOWN HERE BUILDING HOUSES. I MEAN, WE HAVE OUR PRETTY MUCH OUR SET. HOME BUILDERS IN OUR AREA. WE HAVE BOTH WEAVERS. WE HAVE APLAN, WE HAVE PELTIER, WE HAVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE BUILDING IN, IN IN WOOD SHORE OR WHATNOT THAT MIGHT BUILD 1 OR 2 HOUSES IN OUR AREA, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY LARGE HOME BUILDERS OTHER THAN THE PROJECT THAT JUST WRAPPED UP ON SACHSE, WHERE WE HAVE SOMEBODY COMING IN FROM, FROM OUT OF THE AREA. TYPICALLY IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE THEY'RE ALL LOCAL. WE JUST DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE. THAT'S TRUE. SO HOW OFTEN DO WE HAVE TO? I MEAN, THERE'S SUCH A WIDE RANGE HERE FROM 2015 TO 2021. IS THAT JUST AT THE DISCRETION OF EACH CITY? IT IS. THE STATE DOES NOT HAVE A MINIMUM CONSTRUCTION CODE AS FAR AS THE BUILDING CODE IS CONCERNED. THEY HAVE ONE FOR THE ENERGY CODE, WHICH THE STATE DID WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE 15 DID SAY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO STAY ON A SIX YEAR CYCLE, WHICH MEANS THAT THE STATE WOULD BE MOVING TO THE 2021 ELECTRICAL OR ENERGY CODE. BUT THEY CHOSE TO DELAY THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS, THIS LAST YEAR. SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE ON THE STATE LEVEL. SO THE STATE DOES HAVE THEY DO SAY HERE'S OUR MINIMUM STANDARDS. BUT THEN YOU HAVE YOUR DIFFERENT CITIES WHO GO THROUGH THEIR ADOPTION PROCESSES ALSO. AND THE THE THE WINDSTORM IS CURRENTLY USING 2018 RESIDENTIAL CODE FOR WINDSTORM PURPOSES, EVEN THOUGH SOME CITIES MIGHT BE ON THE 2015 CODE AS FAR AS THE PLUMBING CODE IS CONCERNED. THE STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO ADOPT A PLUMBING CODE, BUT IT CAN BE THE UNIFORM PLUMBING CODE OR THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE. THEY ARE SILENT ON THE ADDITION. OKAY. STATES STILL TRYING TO CATCH UP ON THEIR OWN ENERGY. IT COULD BE STARTED THEIR STRUCTURE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT. BUT AGAIN, I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF GLOSS THROUGH SOME OF THESE THINGS, JUST JUST THE THINGS THAT I FIGURED YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME INTEREST IN. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PAGE FIVE. IF WE'RE SMOKE ALARMS, WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE SMOKE ALARMS RIGHT NOW. IT JUST SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN EVERY SLEEPING ROOM, IN THE AREA, AROUND THE SLEEPING ROOM, AND ONE ON EVERY LEVEL. THIS ONE NOW ADDS A LOCATION IN A VAULTED CEILING, SO THAT THE HIGHEST POINT OF YOUR HOUSE ALSO HAS A REQUIREMENT FOR SMOKE ALARM. NOW, SOMETHING THAT WILL. I'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE. IT TAKES THREE STEP LADDERS TO GET IT TO CHANGE. PROBABLY, YEAH, THAT ONLY GOES OFF AT 2 A.M.. YEAH. SO THE VAPOR BARRIER YOU'LL SEE OVER ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THAT IS CURRENTLY SIX MIL REQUIREMENT. IT WILL GO TO TEN MIL. SO THAT IS FOR SLAB ON GRADE. YEAH THAT'S THAT'S TO KEEP MOISTURE OUT OF YOUR HOME AS IT MIGHT COME THROUGH A SLAB. WE DON'T HAVE REAL PROBLEMS. WE DON'T KNOW. YES. SLIDE SIX. THERE'S TECHNOLOGY NOW WHICH WHICH INSTEAD OF HAVING TO DIG UP YOUR YOUR WATER PIPES AND SEWERS, YOU CAN NOW RELINE YOUR WATER PIPES AND SEWERS. AND SO THE CODE ADDRESSES THAT. LIKE I SAID, THE CODE ADDRESSES TECHNICAL ADVANCEMENTS. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PAGE SEVEN. THIS IS ONE THAT'S GOING TO OBVIOUSLY AFFECT BUILDERS BECAUSE YOUR CEILING INSULATION IS R 38. IT'S GOING TO GO TO R 49 EVEN IN OUR AREA. WE WANT TO KEEP YOUR COLD AIR IN AND YOUR HOT AIR. SORRY. YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR COLD AIR IN AND YOUR HOT AIR OUT UNLESS IT'S COLD OUTSIDE. THEN YOU WANT TO KEEP YOUR HOT AIR IN AND YOUR COLD AIR OUT. THIS THE ONE RIGHT BELOW IT. ATTIC. ATTIC. SORRY. ACCESS HATCHES AND DOORS. THIS WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PUT PULL DOWN STAIRS IN. IT WILL BENEFIT THEM TO PUT THEM IN GARAGES VERSUS INSIDE INTERIOR SPACE. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO INSULATE THAT TO THE SAME LEVEL AS THE ATTIC. PAGE EIGHT. DUCT TESTING. RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT WHENEVER YOU INSTALL NEW DUCT WORK, IT HAS TO BE TESTED FOR FOR TIGHTNESS. IT GAVE AN EXCEPTION TO SAY IF IT'S INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. HEY, WHY TEST IT? RIGHT? WELL, NOW THOSE HAVE TO BE TESTED AS WELL. AND THOSE ARE TESTED AT THE TIME THAT THEY'RE INSTALLED. IT'S INSIDE THE HOUSE. IT'S INSIDE WALLS. IT'S NOT INSIDE THE ATTIC. INSIDE YOUR CONDITIONED SPACE. INSIDE THE HOUSE? YEAH. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOUR YOUR YOUR AIR FLOW IS GETTING WHERE YOU NEED IT TO GO AND NOT DISSIPATING INSIDE YOUR WALL SPACES OR YOUR FLOOR SPACES. 404.2. THIS ONE WOULD REQUIRE, ACCORDING TO THE ENERGY CODE, THAT CERTAIN LIGHT FIXTURES IN YOUR HOME BE DEMAND RESPONSIVE. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE ON AUTOMATIC TIMERS OR SWITCHES OR DIMMERS. [01:35:03] AND SO IF NOBODY'S USING THE LIVING ROOM FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, THE LIGHTS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY TURN OFF. I WOULD PROPOSE TO OMIT THAT FROM THE CODE. THEY'RE GOING TO BE MANDATORY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IN THE 21 ENERGY CODE, THAT IT'S MANDATORY. LIKE I SAID, I WOULD. WE CAN OMIT I WOULD OMIT THAT SECTION. I WOULD OMIT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A SPECIFIC AUTOMATION OR FORCED ENERGY SAVINGS. I MEAN, I'M ALL ABOUT ENERGY SAVINGS. I DON'T WANT TO WRITE THAT CHECK AT THE END OF THE MONTH EITHER. BUT WHEN WHEN WE'RE BEING TOLD, HERE'S HOW YOU HAVE TO DO IT, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I KIND OF. RIGHT. OMIT A SECTION DOES NOT DISQUALIFY YOU FOR ALL THOSE GRANTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. NO, I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD THINK SO. MR. SINGHANIA, I WOULDN'T THINK SO. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING THE ENERGY AUDIT FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROGRAMS. I WOULD THINK THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU USED, FOR EXAMPLE, HUD GRANT MAY REQUIRE, SAY, HUD GRANT REQUIRES THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THESE TYPE OF DEVICES ON THERE AND WE DON'T REQUIRE IT, BUT THEY REQUIRE IT FOR THE GRANT. SO THE BUILDER IS GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD TO THAT REQUIREMENT EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T REQUIRE IT. THEY HAVE TO. SO IT'S THAT WOULD JUST BE PART OF THE THE GRANT PROCESS. YEAH. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT PROVISION. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT PAGE, HERE'S WHERE WE KIND OF GET INTO THAT PROGRAM. FIRST OF ALL, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A PICTURE OF A BLOWER DOOR TEST. THIS IS SET UP IN A DOORWAY, AND THEN THEY PULL AIR FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE OUT. WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO IS MEASURE HOW MUCH INFILTRATION YOU HAVE OF AIR COMING THROUGH YOUR NOOKS AND CRANNIES, AROUND YOUR YOUR WINDOWS, THROUGH YOUR EAVES AND ATTICS AND THOSE THAT AMOUNT OF AIR NEEDS TO MEET A CERTAIN THRESHOLD TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR HOME IS AIRTIGHT AND ENERGY EFFICIENT. SO I WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF HOME BUILDERS ESTIMATES THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THE ENERGY CODE IS GOING TO COST AN ADDITIONAL 2.2% PER YEAR FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A $300,000 HOUSE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT $6,000 ON THE LOW END. AND I SAY LOW END, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT COULD CHANGE BECAUSE THIS IS A NATIONAL AVERAGE, NOT SPECIFIC TO BUILDING ON THE GULF COAST. HOWEVER, THERE ARE TAX CREDITS AVAILABLE ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2500 AND $5000 PER UNIT THAT A HOME BUILDER COULD GET BACK TO HELP OFFSET THOSE COSTS. HUD ESTIMATES THAT THE COST SAVINGS WOULD BE ANYWHERE AROUND $1,000 FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IF IT'S BUILT TO THE STRINGENT STANDARDS. AND THAT CREDIT WOULD GO TO THE HOME BUILDER OR TO THE HOME OWNER. WELL, THAT TAX CREDIT, I WOULD IMAGINE, WOULD GO TO THE PERSON WHO, WHO, WHO WHO BUILT THE WHO BUILT, OKAY. WHO BUILT THE HOME BUILT. I DOUBT THEY'RE GOING TO LOWER THEIR PRICE. NO NO, NO. THAT CREDIT. NO. THEY'LL GET THERE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE ROI FOR A PROPERTY OWNER IS TWO YEARS. BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING IT COULD BE $100, $1,000 A YEAR SAVING. IT COULD BE. YEAH. SO IT COULD BE ROI TO A HOMEOWNER. COULD BE PRETTY QUICK. AND AGAIN, HUD AND USDA FINANCING AND OTHER FEDERAL PROGRAMS WILL START REQUIRING THIS STANDARD UNLESS THEY CHANGE IT. YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF NOVEMBER 2025. FOR HUD FINANCING AND USDA FINANCING. SO YOU'RE NOT SUGGESTING TO REMOVE THAT ONE? REMOVING WHAT? THAT REQUIREMENT TO DO THAT FOR THE BLOWER DOOR. YEAH. NO. THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE CODE NOW. WE ARE WE ARE REQUIRING THEM TO DO NOW. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAD A HOME BUILDER SAY DAVID, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT IS THIS? BLOWER DOOR TEST? AND I SAID, WELL, LOOK AT THE FRONT PAGE OF YOUR WEBSITE. YOU'RE SHOWING ONE. SO, YEAH, IT'S IT'S A REQUIREMENT. NOW, SUCH A SMARTY BRITCHES. WELL, YOU KNOW, I READ SOMETHING INTERESTING TO TALK ABOUT. MAKING OUR HOMES AIRTIGHT AND THE SEALS AND EVERYTHING. TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU USED TO IN THE OLD DAYS, YOU KNOW, WINDOWS AND DOORS AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO. LINK. YOUR ALLERGY INCREASES THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING SO AIRTIGHT NOW THAT YOU'RE NOT EXPOSED TO THOSE ALLERGENS ENOUGH. SO PEOPLE HAVE A LOT MORE ALLERGIES NOW BECAUSE OF THIS. YEAH. AND THERE'S THERE'S A FINE, PERFECT BALANCE BETWEEN AIR TIGHTNESS AND AND HEALTHY AIR INSIDE. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU KNOW, YOUR YOUR ENERGY CODE, YOUR BUILDING CODE AND YOUR MECHANICAL CODE AND EVEN YOUR PLUMBING CODE ALL PLAY ROLES IN HOW THAT STRUCTURE IS SUPPOSED TO TO LIVE AND BREATHE, TO KEEP THE OCCUPANTS HEALTHY. [01:40:05] WELL, SO IS THERE THERE'S THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT TO DO BRINGING IN FRESH AIR. THERE IS, THERE IS. AND THAT'S OUTLINED IN THE MECHANICAL CODE WHICH, WHICH I WASN'T GOING TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS. BUT IT IS ONE OF THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT'S ON THE SLIDE. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO PAGE 11. THIS IS ONE THAT WOULD AFFECT A COUPLE OF OUR ESTABLISHMENTS. WHAT IT'S SAYING WHEN YOU HAVE OPERABLE OPENINGS, INTERLOCKING. RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE A SPACE WITH ROLL UP DOORS AND TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF OUR RESTAURANTS WHERE YOU HAVE THESE LARGE ROLL UP DOORS THAT INVITE THE INDOORS TO BE OUT OUTDOOR AND OUTDOOR TO BE INDOOR. IT NOW SAYS THAT THAT THAT YOUR HVAC CONTROLS HAVE TO BE INTERLOCKED WITH THOSE DOORS. SO YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO COOL THE OUTSIDE THE OUTSIDE. SO I GUESS YOUR RESTAURATEUR WILL HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY ARE TRYING. WHICH ATMOSPHERE ARE THEY TRYING TO MIMIC? YEAH. YEAH. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S NOT A RETROFIT. NO IT'S NOT THEY'RE NOT RETRO REQUIREMENTS. SOMEONE WAS TRYING TO BUILD THE SAME THING TODAY. YES. YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT COUNCIL WANTED TO AMEND THAT OR WHATNOT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW. AGAIN, ULTIMATELY, WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE ENERGY. AND THEN BUT AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO THE OTHER ITEM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE A VOICE IN TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO CONTROL ENERGY. I FULLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH YOU AND HOW UNFRIENDLY OR FRIENDLY TO THE CODES AND POLICIES THAT WE ADOPT. MAKE IT TO LIVE AND TO DO BUSINESS IN LAKE JACKSON. YEAH, AND THAT'S ALL. AT SOME POINT YOU MAKE IT OUT OF REACH FOR PEOPLE, RIGHT? YEAH. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE THE HIGHLIGHTED SECTION, THIS SAYS THAT 50% OF THE RECEPTACLES IN YOUR OFFICE SPACE AND OTHER AREAS WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTROLLED SO THAT THEY SHUT THEMSELVES OFF AT SPECIFIC TIMES. I WOULD OMIT OR I WOULD AMEND PORTIONS OF THAT SO THAT YOU'RE NOT ACCIDENTALLY SHUTTING OFF SYSTEMS. NOW, WHILE THESE OUTLETS WOULD BE IDENTIFIED WITH LITTLE SYMBOLS ON THEM. THE AVERAGE USER MIGHT NOT KNOW THAT, THAT THEY CAN'T JUST MOVE THEIR COMPUTER FROM ONE SIDE OF THEIR OFFICE TO THE OTHER AND PLUGGING IT INTO SOMETHING THAT OR A REFRIGERATOR OR SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAVE POWER. SO I WOULD I WOULD PROPOSE TO OMIT THAT AS WELL. LET ME GO INTO THE BUILDING CODE. SO NOW THE EVER INCREASING POPULARITY OF ESCAPE ROOMS PUZZLE ROOMS HAS NOW NOW HAS A NEW BUILDING CODE DESIGNATION AND REQUIREMENTS FOR THEM. AS OF RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE KIND OF AMBIGUOUS. SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT EASY TO GET OUT OF. THEY'RE NOT MANNED. AND SOME SOME MIGHT NOT BE MANNED. IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY, IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT FOR AN OCCUPANT INSIDE THAT ROOM TO TO ESCAPE. DO WE HAVE ANY ESCAPE ROOMS? WE DON'T YET. BUT AS WILL HAD SAID, HE'S KIND OF SURPRISED. WE DON'T. I WOULD IMAGINE WE PROBABLY WOULD. I MEAN, WE'RE PRIMED FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHERE'S YOUR NEAREST ONE? HOUSTON. SO IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE NEXT PAGE, PLAY STRUCTURES. NOT THESE ARE NOT JUST CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. THE CODE RECOGNIZES THAT ADULTS LIKE TO HAVE FUN, TOO. SO THERE'S CODE REQUIREMENTS AS FAR AS ROCK WALLS DON'T WORK ALL THE TIME. YEAH. SO WOULD THIS BE LIKE URBAN AIR? YEAH. TYPE FACILITIES. URBAN AIR. OR EVEN KIDS PARTY PLANET. OR IF YOU, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE OUR NEXT BIG HUB. CABELLA MIGHT COME IN AND, YOU KNOW, THEY LIKE TO HAVE THOSE THOSE TYPES OF STRUCTURES INSIDE. NEXT PAGE. EGRESS. ILLUMINATION. ILLUMINATION. NOW. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A11 CANDLE FOOT REQUIREMENT ON YOUR MEANS OF EGRESS. WHEN YOU GET TO A STAIRS, IT WOULD SHOOT UP TO TEN, BUT THOSE WOULD BE CONTROLLED BY AN OCCUPANCY SENSOR. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS LIT LIKE THAT. BUT AS SOON AS SOMEBODY ENTERS THAT MEANS OF EGRESS, THE LIGHTS WOULD TURN UP SO THAT A PERSON COULD SAFELY GET OUT OF A SPACE. NEXT PAGE BECAUSE THERE'S MORE AND MORE VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS COMING UP. NOW THE ACCESSIBILITY CODE SAYS, HEY, 5% OF THOSE NEED TO BE AT A VAN ACCESSIBLE PLACE. THERE'S ALSO DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SAME SIDE, PUBLIC RESTROOMS AND FLOOD HAZARD AREAS. OBVIOUSLY, THIS WOULD AFFECT OUR WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE. IF THAT WERE TO FLOOD AGAIN THE NEXT TIME THEY WERE TO REBUILD THOSE RESTROOMS, WE'D HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE ANCHORED PROPERLY, THAT THERE'S FLOOD OPENINGS, THAT THEY [01:45:03] DON'T FLOAT. AND WE MINIMIZE DAMAGES BECAUSE WE'VE ELEVATED ALL THE RECEPTACLES AND MECHANICALS, AND EVERYTHING OUT OF THOSE SPACES WOULD ONLY AFFECT SPACES. OVER SORRY. WOULD AFFECT ANY SPACE, BUT BUT THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN 1500 SQUARE FEET. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A 1500 SQUARE FOOT BATHROOM OUT THERE. BUT, HEY, YOU NEVER KNOW. ALSO, NOW THE CODE ALLOWS FOR WHAT'S CALLED INTERMODAL SHIPPING CONTAINERS. OR ASSISTANT CHIEF SIDEBOTTOM, HIS FAVORITE BUZZWORD? CONEX BOX. YEP. TO BE USED AS A SOURCE OF CONSTRUCTION. TO BE USED AS AN ACTUAL STRUCTURE. OH, AND RIGHT UNDERNEATH THAT WILL WILL LIKE THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT NOW SAYS AS SOON AS YOU START VERTICAL VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR YOUR MEANS OF FIRE SUPPRESSION ON SITE. YOU'RE WORKING HYDRANTS AND WHATNOT. SO BEFORE YOU CAN START MOVING UP WITH YOUR BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE FIRE OUT. THAT'S INTERESTING. SWIMMING POOL AND SPA CODE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXCAVATE, YOU NEED TO PUT A FENCE AROUND IT DURING THE COURSE OF EXCAVATION. OKAY. DOES IT REQUIRE WHAT SIZE FENCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, OR I'M SORRY, DOES IT REQUIRE WHAT SIZE FENCE OR. IT WOULD BE 42IN HIGH. SAME SIZE AS WOULD AS WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE POOL. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THE PEOPLE CHILDREN PRIMARILY, BUT ANYBODY WHO'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE EXCAVATED AREA SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET TO THE EXCAVATED AREA. PAGE 18 PLEASE. THERE USED TO BE AN EXCEPTION FOR DRINKING FOUNTAINS THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A WATER DISPENSER. NOW IT'S SAYING YOUR DISPENSER HAS TO BE HOOKED UP TO THE WATER SYSTEM. WAIT, WHAT? YOU CAN'T DO BOTTLED BIG BOTTLES OF WATER? BOTTLED WATER? YEAH. YOU CAN'T. SO YOU YOU YOU USED TO BE ABLE TO IN SPECIFICALLY MOSTLY IN OFFICE SPACES, HAVE A BOTTLED WATER DISPENSER IN LIEU INFORMATION IN LIEU OF OF HAVING A DRINKING FOUNTAIN WHEN ONE WHEN A DRINKING FOUNTAIN IS REQUIRED. NOW IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT. SO YOU CAN HAVE ONE VOLUNTARILY. WHEN ONE IS REQUIRED YOU CAN HAVE A DISPENSER, BUT IT HAS TO BE HOOKED UP. IT REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE ONE. YES. AND THERE'S AN OCCUPANT OCCUPANCY THRESHOLD. AS SOON AS YOU GET ABOVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE, YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DRINKING WATER FOR THEM. OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? WELL, LIKE I SAID, COUNCIL COULD AMEND ANYTHING OUT OF THE. WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT RIGHT NOW? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PLUMBING CODE. BUT THERE IS I MEAN CURRENTLY THERE IS A YEAH, THERE IS A THRESHOLD RIGHT NOW. AND THAT THRESHOLD CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE USE OF THE SPACE TOO. AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S AN EXCEPTION FOR, FOR RESTAURANTS THAT THAT OFFER FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DRINKING FOUNTAIN, BUT OFFICE BUILDINGS MERCANTILES ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. HAVE REC CENTERS. AS SOON AS YOU GET TO A SPECIFIC THRESHOLD, IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER TO TO BUY AN OZARKA THAN IT WOULD BE TO TO PLUMB A DISPENSER. BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO RUN INTO A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY CHOOSES THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO USE, YOU KNOW, FOOT THE EXPENSE OF THE BOTTLED WATER SERVICE OR JUST CHOOSES ARBITRARILY. I DON'T LIKE WHERE THAT'S SITTING. YOU KNOW, YARDED OUT OF HERE AND NOW YOU DON'T HAVE IT WHEN YOU DIDN'T REQUIRE THEM FOR THE DRINKING FOUNTAIN IN THERE'S MULTI USER MULTI GENDER TOILET FACILITIES ARE NOW IN THE CODE. AND THAT'S JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU HAVE THEM THEY EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THEIR OWN STALL. IT'S NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM. BUT IF YOU DO EVERYBODY GETS THEIR OWN STALL. GO TO PAGE 19 BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THAT MIGHT BE NEW AND IT MIGHT BE A SHOCK IF YOU LOOK OVER ON THE UPPER RIGHT HAND COLUMN, 609.2 GROUP I2 GROUP TWO HEALTHCARE FACILITIES, HOSPITALS, YOU HAVE TO RUN A SECOND WATER SERVICE PIPE TO THEM IN CASE THE INITIAL WATER SERVICE PIPE BECOMES NONFUNCTIONAL. IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE SEPARATELY METERED, YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE THAT REDUNDANT WATER SERVICE BACK TO WHERE FROM THE THE POINT OF OF CONNECTION TO THE CITY, BACK TO THE HOSPITAL ITSELF. SO YOU PUT A Y AND YOU PUT TWO PIPES COMING INTO THE BUILDING. YEAH. YOU COULD. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. LIKE I SAID, IT DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO HAVE ITS OWN SEPARATE SOURCE. SEPARATE TAP OR SOURCE. I CAN LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER. WHY? WHY IS IT STILL A ONE TIME? WELL, THAT WOULD BE ONE CONNECTION. TWO CONNECTION. LOOP IT THROUGH ANOTHER. ANOTHER PIPE. OKAY. IN CASE THERE'S A. YEAH, LIKE A LINE COLLAPSE OR SOMETHING, YOU STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET WATER. EVERYBODY STILL NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO WASH THEIR HANDS. LIKE THE LAKE ROAD HOSPITAL. [01:50:01] LOOK AT IT. YEAH, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT ONE. WE'LL LOOK AT THAT ONE FURTHER. IF WE GO TO PAGE 20, YOU CAN SEE AS FAR AS THE PLUMBING CODE IS CONCERNED, WE WANT TO AMEND OUR BACKFLOW PROTECTION SPECIFICALLY ON THAT. WE WANT TO STATE THAT WE WANT TO REMOVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL BACKFLOW, PROVIDE PROTECTION AT IRRIGATION SYSTEMS AND SWIMMING POOLS TO NOT HAVE TO HAVE ANNUAL TESTING. THE STATE DOES NOT CONSIDER THEM TO BE HIGH HAZARD. SORRY. THE STATE. THE STATE DOES NOT CONSIDER THEM A HEALTH HAZARD. AND SO THEREFORE THE STATE DOES NOT REQUIRE THEM TO BE ANNUALLY TESTED, BUT THE PLUMBING CODE DOES. SO WE WANT TO SAY THAT ANYTHING INSTALLED AT YOUR HOUSE, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO GET TESTED ANNUALLY TESTED UPON INSTALLATION, BUT FOR GO WITH THE ANNUAL TESTING. OKAY. AND THEN WE JUST WANT TO STATE THAT ALL BACKFLOW DEVICES INSTALLED ON THE PUBLIC WATER SYSTEM BE APPROVED AND TESTABLE. WE RUN INTO SOME SPECIFICALLY ATTACHED TO RESIDENTIAL POOLS THAT ARE NOT TESTABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER THEY'RE FULLY FUNCTIONING EVEN AT THE INITIAL START AND THE UP, THERE IS AN APPROVED LIST THAT THE STATE RECOGNIZES THAT'S PUBLISHED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THAT TC RECOGNIZES. AND IT'S A VERY, VERY LONG, LARGE, EXTENSIVE LIST. SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING, LOOK, HERE'S HERE'S A COUPLE FOR YOU AND YOU CAN ONLY BUY THEM FROM SPECIFIC VENDORS. IT'S A VERY LARGE, LONG, EXTENSIVE LIST. WE ALSO WANT TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE THAT HOSE BIBS BE PROVIDED WITH AN INTEGRATED BACK ANTI-SIPHON DEVICE OR LIKE A BELL HOOD ON TOP VERSUS THE SCREW ON KIND THAT WE DISTRIBUTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. MOST PEOPLE DID NOT PUT THEM ON, AND EVEN BRAND NEW HOMES WERE FINDING THAT THE PLUMBERS ARE NOT INSTALLING INSTALLING THEM. SO ANY ANY NEW HOSE BIB THAT GOES ON A HOUSE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE INTEGRATED BACKFLOW DEVICE ON IT. AND THEN IF WE GO TO PAGE 22 WE DON'T HAVE ANY AMENDMENTS FROM THE MECHANICAL CODE SPECIFICALLY. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A PREEMPTIVE AMENDMENT THAT ANY ANY REFERENCE TO A DEMAND RESPONSIVE CONTROL FOR WATER OR SPACE HEATING CONTROLS BE OMITTED. WE'RE KIND OF JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE BEFORE THE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GETS TO US. THAT WOULD KEEP THE CENTER POINT FROM RATCHETING YOUR YOUR HEAT UP ON HIGH DEMAND DAYS. THAT SHOULD BE YOUR CHOICE, NOT THEIRS. AND THEN WE WANT TO AMEND OUR, OUR ORDINANCE AND EXCEPTIONS TO THE 2023 NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE. THE REASON BEHIND THIS WILL AND I HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE LOOKING TO AT OUR ORDINANCES AND OUR EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES TO FIND OUT WHY WERE THEY PUT IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? A LOT OF OUR EXCEPTIONS TO THE ELECTRICAL CODE WERE PUT IN BY PERSONAL PREFERENCE FROM PREVIOUS STAFF MEMBERS, OR ARE NOW OUTDATED BECAUSE THAT PARTICULAR TYPE OF SYSTEM IS NO LONGER ALLOWED IN THE CODE, SUCH AS A A THREE WIRE SYSTEMS WHERE NOW THE FOUR WIRE SYSTEM IS IS APPROPRIATE, OR IT'S SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT FOR A TYPE OF CONNECTOR WHERE THE NEC ALLOWS FOR OTHER TYPES OF CONNECTORS. WE WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT DOES THE MINIMUM MODEL CODE SAY IN MOST CASES, WITHOUT HAVING A LOT OF SPECIFIC LAKE JACKSON AMENDMENTS? THAT WILL HELP OUR CONTRACTORS. IT WILL HELP OUR HOMEOWNERS WHO WANT TO DO THINGS, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES ARE. SO WE WANT TO KEEP A FEW OF THEM, THOUGH WE WANTED TO KEEP NUMBER ONE OF SECTION 1457, WHICH TAKES OUT THE ANNEXES FOR THE ELECTRICAL BOARD, ANNUAL PERMITS AND INSPECTOR QUALIFICATIONS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE HOMES ARE STILL USED IN A NUMBER 12 WIRE VERSUS NUMBER 14 WIRE. THAT WAS PUT IN A LONG TIME AGO. AND IT'S IT IS A LAKE JACKSON STANDARD. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LUMINAIRES AND ANYTHING HANGING FROM A CEILING GRID STILL BE INDEPENDENTLY SUPPORTED SO THAT THEY DON'T COME DOWN IN THE EVENT OF A STORM OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, FIRE FIGHTING ACTIVITIES. AND LASTLY, ON PAGE 23, WE WANT TO ONCE AGAIN AMEND OUR ORDINANCE TO OMIT THE REQUIREMENT THAT A BURIED GAS PIPE ALSO BE IN A SLEEVE. WE'RE ALSO AT THAT POINT. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE PUT IN BECAUSE OUR ORDINANCE HAD SAID, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A 2 POUND GAS METER OR A GAS PRESSURE LINE RUNNING TO YOUR POOL HEATER OR TO [01:55:08] YOUR GENERATOR. YOU HAD TO RUN IT IN A TWO INCH PIPE SIZE AND WE SAID, THAT'S RIDICULOUS. NOBODY WANTS A TWO INCH PIPE HANGING BY THEIR HOUSE. SO WE TOOK THAT OUT AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO GO BURIED. BUT WE HAD PUT IN, AS AN EXTRA PRECAUTION THAT THEY BE 24IN DEEP AND SLEEVED JUST TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DIGGING IN THEIR YARD FROM FROM HITTING IT UP. WE STILL WANT TO KEEP THE 24 INCH DEPTH REQUIREMENT. WE JUST WANT TO OMIT THE SLEEVE. IT'S REALLY HARD TO PUT A ONE INCH OR AN INCH AND A QUARTER PLASTIC PIPE THROUGH AN INCH AND A HALF OR A TWO INCH PLASTIC PVC. AND WE JUST FOUND THAT THAT IS REDUNDANT. THE FIRE MARSHAL HAD HIS OWN REVISION. THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRESENTATION. AND WE WILL BRING ALL THIS BACK TO COME BACK IN ORDINANCE FORM, WORKING WITH SHERRY. BUT SECTION 48. SORRY. SECTION 14. 38. LETTER C SUB LETTER B FIRE SPRINKLERS. WE HAD AN ARTIFICIAL THRESHOLD OF 8000FT² WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE. THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENT IS 12,000FT². WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT BACK UP TO WHAT THE IFC REGULATES AT 12,000FT². IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT BEFORE YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION. YES, SIR. THIS IS A NEW STANDARD ADDRESS. ANYTHING ABOUT CARBON MONOXIDE FROM GENERATORS WHERE THEY INSTALLED PERMANENT GENERATORS, SOME OF THEM BEING INSTALLED BETWEEN THE HOMES, THERE ARE 25 FOOT AND HAVE OPEN WINDOWS ABOVE. SO YOUR THE FUEL GAS CODE AND THE MANUFACTURER'S INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS DICTATE WHERE THOSE GENERATORS CAN BE INSTALLED. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET THOSE THOSE CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS SO FAR AWAY FROM OPENING WINDOWS, SO FAR AWAY FROM FROM VENTS THAT PULL IN AIR AND EVEN SO FAR AWAY FROM EXHAUST VENTS. THE MANUFACTURER HAS PUT THOSE INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS OUT. THEY'VE BEEN VERIFIED. THEY'VE BEEN LOOKED AT BY THE UNDERWRITERS LABORATORY OR ANOTHER TESTING AGENCY AND ARE GENERALLY ACCEPTED BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE UNDERWRITINGS. SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND WE DO THE THE INSPECTION ON THE INSTALLATION, WE ARE GOING BY THOSE CLEARANCES UNLESS THE FUEL GAS CODE SAYS SOMETHING. OTHERWISE, THERE IS A DIAGRAM IN THE BACK OF THE FUEL GAS CODE, WHICH ALSO HAS THOSE MINIMUM CLEARANCES, WHICH IN SOME CASES THE MANUFACTURER MIGHT BE IN EXCESS OF THAT. DO THEY VARY BY MANUFACTURER OR THEY CAN OR SIZE OF THE GENERATOR? ABSOLUTELY. THEY CAN ONCE AGAIN THAT THAT GENERATOR IN MANUFACTURE MODEL SIZE OF ALL BEEN BEEN TESTED AND LISTED BY ONE OF THOSE UNDERWRITING LABORATORIES POPPING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE NOW. AND YEAH, I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THAT IS A YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOME SOME OF THEM LIKE LINE HOMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PUTTING ON NEW HOMES AND THERE'S WINDOWS ON BOTH SIDES. AND WHEN THEY WHEN THEY PROVIDE US WITH THE APPLICATION, WE DO GET THE MAKE AND MODEL NUMBER OF THAT GENERATOR. SO WE CAN VERIFY THAT INFORMATION. IT'S ALSO REQUIRED THAT THEY HAVE THOSE INSTALLATION MANUALS ON SITE AT THE TIME OF, OF INSPECTION. SO WE CAN VERIFY THOSE CLEARANCES. THE REQUIREMENT FOR CARBON FOR CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS INSIDE OF A HOUSE HAS NOT CHANGED. SO ANYTIME YOU DO HAVE FUEL FIRED APPLIANCES, WHETHER IT BE A STOVE, A WATER HEATER, A FURNACE, OR YOU HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CARBON CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS INSIDE YOUR HOUSE. I WOULD SUBMIT THAT IF YOU HAVE A GENERATOR ATTACHED TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU ALREADY HAVE ONE OF THOSE APPLIANCES AND WOULD ALREADY HAVE THOSE CARBON MONOXIDE ALARMS. SO THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVEN'T CHANGED. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, THOSE CLEARANCES ARE LOOKED AT. THOSE CLEARANCES ARE DOCUMENTED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE INSPECT TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. NOT NOT EVEN TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. BUT TYPICALLY YOU HAVE FIVE FEET AT LEAST BETWEEN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THE PROPERTY LINE. THEN YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL, USUALLY 3FT TO 5FT BETWEEN THAT PROPERTY LINE AND THAT PIECE AND THAT APPLIANCE. A HOMEOWNER TYPICALLY ISN'T GOING TO STICK SOMETHING IN AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN'T GET A LAWNMOWER PAST OR CAN'T WALK PAST, AND SO YOU NORMALLY HAVE THOSE CLEARANCES BUILT IN BETWEEN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S GENERATOR AND YOUR WINDOWS, EXCEPT FOR THE SUBDIVISION THAT ZERO LOT LINES. WELL, YEAH. BUT YEAH, BUT THE HOUSES DON'T DON'T GET ME STARTED ON SUBDIVISIONS WITH ZERO LOT LINES. DAVID DOES NOT LIKE THOSE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. [02:00:03] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THE BACK STORY ON THE 8000 SQUARE FOOT ON THE FIRE SPRINKLER ORDINANCE. WHEN THE ZERO SQUARE FOOT ORDINANCE WAS REPEALED, THE NUMBER THAT WAS SETTLED ON WAS 8000FT². IT WASN'T FACT BASED. WE HAVE NO DATA TO BACK UP THE REASONING BEHIND BEING AT 8000. THAT'S WHY WE WE'RE WANTING TO GO BACK TO THAT 12 THAT THE CODE RECOMMENDS. PLUS IT'S ALSO IT'LL EASE THE CONFUSION FOR SOME OF OUR CONTRACTORS COMING IN. SOME OF THE OTHER FIRE CODE ISSUES OR SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE 21 CODE. IT'LL ADDRESS ENERGY STORAGE SYSTEMS. SO THE BATTERY STORAGE SYSTEMS, IT'LL GO. IT'LL COVER INSTALLATION AND THEN DECOMMISSIONING OF THOSE SYSTEMS. IT'LL ALSO COVER STORAGE OF DISTILLED SPIRITS AND WINES. SO IT'LL COVER. YOU LAUGH. WE HAVE A LOCAL CITY THAT HAS ONE. IT'LL COVER THE STORAGE OF CASKS AND BARRELS. THERE'S VENTILATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MET WITH THAT, AS WELL AS SPRINKLER COVERAGE AND ALARMS. AND AS DAVID TOUCHED ON ON THE CONSTRUCTION SIDE, IT REQUIRES US TO HAVE MORE ORGANIZED FIRE SAFETY AND ACTUALLY HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S DESIGNATED AS A FIRE SAFETY REPRESENTATIVE FOR THAT SITE. SO GO BACK TO THE 12 AND THE EIGHT. YES, THAT'S FOR SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. YES, SIR. THAT IS FOR THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. SO OURS IS CURRENTLY AT EIGHT. IF YOU'RE AT THAT 8000FT² YOU HAVE TO HAVE ABOVE 8000. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SPRINKLER SYSTEM. IS THAT CORRECT. ABOVE 7999. AS SOON AS YOU HIT 8000 YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A COMPONENT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AND OCCUPANCY. IT'S JUST SQUARE FOOTAGE, PERIOD. THE BASE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE 12. THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER OCCUPANCIES. THERE'S GOING TO BE FOR EXAMPLE, A TWO OCCUPANCIES. THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR RESTAURANTS. THAT'S GOING TO BE 5000FT² OR AN OCCUPANT LOAD GREATER THAN 99, WHICH. SO IT'S MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WHAT THE ORDINANCE WAS ALREADY SET AT. YEAH. I MEAN, YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAD THE DISCUSSION WITH WARSAW MANY YEARS AGO. YES, SIR. AND SO I DIDN'T MOVE THE TABLE. YEAH. THEY HAD TO. YEAH. THEY SAID THEY NEVER WOULD MEET THE OCCUPANCY REQUIREMENT TO, TO DO IT. SO. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST TO HELP CLARIFY IT FOR, FOR THE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO OPEN BUSINESSES AND THE FIRE PROTECTION. THEY WANTED TO OPEN UP A RESTAURANT AND IT'S 12,000FT², WHICH WOULD BE A HUGE RESTAURANT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SPRINKLE. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO. YES. NOW, IF IT'S AN EXISTING BUILDING AND THEY. AND THEY'RE MOVING IT INTO A RESTAURANT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RETROFIT WITH SPRINKLER. THEY WOULD. IT WOULD BE A CHANGE OF USE AND THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE TRIGGERING MECHANISMS. SO AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE BY OCCUPANCY. IT WOULD BE BY SQUARE FOOTAGE. SO WITH THE RESTAURANT IT WOULD BE AN A2. AND AT 5000 YOU'D HAVE TO SPRINKLE THAT ONE ANYWAY. SO 5000. SO IT'S EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE 5000 OR 90. YOU SAID WHAT WAS THE OCCUPANCY. ANYTHING OVER 99. AS SOON AS YOU HIT 100 YOU HAVE TO SPRINKLE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST LOOSENING IT UP. YES. YES. FOR EVERYTHING. EXCEPT FOR RESTAURANTS. WELL, RESTAURANTS. THAT'S WHAT. THAT'S CODE RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. SO WE'RE RECOMMENDING GOING BACK TO WHAT THE THE FIRE CODE RECOMMENDS FOR FIRE SPRINKLERS. AND WHAT'S THE REQUIREMENT TODAY FOR RESTAURANTS IN 5000? IN THE INTERNATIONAL CODE? YES. SO WE'RE NOT CHANGING THAT. NO, WE ARE NOT. WE. AND THE NEW CODE IS NOT CHANGING. CORRECT THAT. SO THE THE REQUIREMENTS ON RESTAURANTS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE RESTRICTIVE IN THE FIRE BECAUSE THEY'RE COOKING, THEY'VE GOT GREASE AND FIRE AND IT'S IT'S BASED OFF OF THE RISK OF THE OCCUPANCY. AND YOU HAVE TABLES AND EVERYTHING. PEOPLE GOT TO GET OUT STUFF. SO MORE THINGS TO GET. SO A NEW RESTAURANT COMING IN, IF IT'S 5000FT², IT'S GOT TO BE SPRINKLED. YES. BUT IF IT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING, IT CAN NOW BE 12,000 BEFORE IT NEEDS TO BE 12,000. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE ALL REMINDED ME AFTER YOU KNOW, WE DID HAVE, YOU KNOW, SPRING CLEANING AT ZERO, RIGHT? AND IT LASTED FOR ABOUT A YEAR. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE A FEW DOCTOR'S OFFICES THAT ARE AT LEAST ONE THAT HAD TO BE SPRINKLED AND AN ENTRANCE BUILDING AND CAME IN AND TALKED TO COUNCIL. AND RATHER THAN GO BACK TO 12 A PROPOSAL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING WAS OFFERED AT EIGHT. [02:05:04] AS A COMPROMISE, RATHER THAN GO BACK TO 12, NOT BASED OFF OF ANY ACTUAL DATA. RIGHT? YEAH. GOTCHA. NOW, THAT BEING SAID, ANYTHING THAT WAS REQUIRED TO PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN UNDER OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THAT, AND THEY COULD NOT DISCONTINUE THAT SYSTEM. RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SPRINKLER AWAY. WELL, THE GOOD THING IS, IS THANK YOU, CHIEF. SO I KNOW RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT SPRINKLERS ARE NOT REQUIRED. SYSTEMS ARE NOT REQUIRED ANYMORE TO BE PUT IN BY A SPRINKLER COMPANY. A STANDARD PLUMBER COULD PUT THAT IN NOW. SO IF A RESIDENTIAL USER WANTS TO PUT A SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN BECAUSE WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO REQUIRE IT UNDER CURRENT STATE LAWS, PUTTING ONE IN MY NEW HOUSE IF IF A BECAUSE I'M OLD, THEN YOU THEN A PLUMBER WHO HOLDS THE PROPER ENDORSEMENT COULD PUT THAT IN. YEAH, NOT JUST ANY ANY PLUMBER. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THAT ENDORSEMENT FROM THE TSP. OKAY. AND JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, AT THAT POINT, WE WE WOULD GET A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR TO COME OUT AND INSPECT THAT BECAUSE OUR CURRENT STAFF IS NOT CERTIFIED FOR THAT. OF COURSE. INCREASE MY COST. OKAY. YEAH. JUST. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? THE END. OH. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, ANY ANY QUESTIONS ON. HE HAS ANOTHER PRESENTATION. YEAH, I GOT TWO MORE. DAVID SHOW. SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ON PROPOSED CODE UPDATES? LIKE I SAID, THAT BOOK IS THOSE BOOKS ARE JUST THE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES ARE WHAT THE AUTHOR THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT TO TO PUT IN THERE. I HAD TO WHITTLE THAT DOWN TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WHAT YOU ALL MIGHT SAY TO THAT. GIVEN THAT WE'RE ALREADY INTO OCTOBER AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CHANGES, I THINK SEEING JANUARY 1ST IS VERY FAST FOR OUR BUILDERS. WELL, WHAT I HAVE HEARD IS THAT AT LEAST THE COUNCIL IS ASKING STAFF TO HAVE A WORKSHOP OR A PRESENTATION WITH THE BUILDERS BEFORE YOU MAKE A ADOPTION OF, OF THAT. SO WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT SCHEDULE FIRST IN MIND AND AT LEAST HAVE A WORKSHOP OR TWO AND INVITE THEM SO THAT WE CAN COVER THAT. AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO YOU WITH THEIR INPUT. YEAH. I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, SAY YOU HAVE A BUILDER WHO'S GOT BUILDING PLANS ALREADY AND THEY'VE GOT A BUDGET AND ALL THIS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WITH VERY LITTLE WARNING. THEY'RE HIT WITH A LOT OF MORE REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S JUST VERY QUICK. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. BUT TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS AND GET THAT MONEY BACK. AND THEN CHARGE EVERYBODY ELSE. CHARGE. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S THE ONLY I AGREE. THE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS THAT THE BIGGEST IMPACT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE COMMERCIAL. I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT AM I RIGHT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME NOT. WELL, I WOULD THINK THAT A WELL YES, THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION COST IMPACT AND REQUIREMENTS, INCLUDING JOB SCHEDULING IMPACTS FOR BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. THE PERSON WHO'S TYPICALLY BUILDING A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS PROBABLY ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH THE 21 CODES, AS SOME OF THESE CITIES HAVE. THEY HAVE HAD IT IN PLACE FOR FOR OVER A YEAR. YEAH, SOME OF THEM. BUT I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE THE TIMELINE FOR COMMUNICATING AND TRYING TO GET BUILDERS TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST, WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF SUCCESS GETTING THEM TO COME IN. IT'S JUST MY CONCERN WOULD BE, IS THAT IF SOMEBODY OUT THERE, BE IT EITHER RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IF THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BUILDING SOMETHING. THEN YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TALKING, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT TODAY AND THEY'VE GOT A NUMBER IN THEIR HEAD. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN JANUARY 1ST. WAIT A MINUTE. YOU KNOW WE CHANGED THE RULES. WE WERE GOING TO ADD A COUPLE OF GRAND TO THE PROJECT OR WHATEVER MINIMUM FOR A HOME MAYBE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT MAY BUST SOMEBODY'S BUDGET ON SOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, ON A HOME. SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR WHY IS JANUARY 1ST JUST JANUARY 1ST IS A GOOD START DATE FOR YOU? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE DRIVING THAT? NO, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE DRIVING THAT A LOT OF JURISDICTIONS USUALLY CHOOSE SEPTEMBER 1ST, INCLUDING SOME OF THE THE STATE REGULATORY AUTHORITIES CHOOSE SEPTEMBER 1ST AS A DROPPING DATE FOR NEW REGULATIONS AND LAWS AND WHATNOT. THIS WAS JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS FURTHER OUT THAN THAT. WE KNEW WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL. THERE IS NO DRIVING REASON BEHIND JANUARY 1ST, OTHER THAN IT'S AN EASY DATE FOR PEOPLE TO REMEMBER. WELL, I MEAN, WOULD IT CREATE HEARTBURN IF WE WENT WITH SEPTEMBER 1ST? NOT ON MY END. I MEAN, WHAT IS THE I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T I DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF OH NOES, YOU KNOW, THE SKY IS FALLING HERE TYPE [02:10:03] STUFF. IT'S JUST UNDERSTANDING IT AND GETTING GETTING OUR EXCEPTIONS OR WHATEVER WE WANT WRITTEN AND PUT THEM IN PLACE AND THEN JUST ROLL IT OUT. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S SEPTEMBER 1ST OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK PUSHING FOR JANUARY 1ST TOO SOON, TOO SOON, I THINK. SO AS FAR AS AS THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE BUILDING CODE IS CONCERNED, IT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT OUR DAY TO DAYS PUSHING IT OUT FURTHER THAN THAT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LAKE JACKSON REMAINS ON THE FORWARD PATH AND DOESN'T GET STAGNANT. STAGNANT WITH. WITH. YOU'RE NOT HEARING THAT HERE. YEAH. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. LET US HAVE OUR SET UP OUR WORKSHOPS AND WE CAN ASK THAT SAME QUESTION ALSO TO THE BUILDERS TO SEE IF YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A DATE IN BETWEEN THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HEARTBURN OVER BETWEEN JANUARY 1ST AND SEPTEMBER 1ST. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY, YOU KNOW, APRIL, THEN YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE VIABLE AS WELL. SO WE CAN I MEAN, THE INDUSTRY MAY HAVE INDUSTRY MAY HAVE A TIME PERIOD WHERE THIS IS WHERE THEY DO ALL THEIR BIG DEALS AND THEN THE REST OF IT'S BUILDING. SO IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST QUARTER IS IMPORTANT TO THEM TO KNOW WHAT THEIR COSTS ARE GOING TO BE VERSUS LATER ON IN THE YEAR. SO. SURE. AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE WE CAN DO EVERYTHING. NO I'M SORRY I COUNT ON YOU SO MUCH. I HAVE TO SAY THE JANUARY 1ST DEADLINE WAS GIVEN BY ME TO HIM SO HE CAN BRING THIS ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL. OKAY, I KNOW COUNCIL IS GOING TO SAY IT'S TOO SHORT, BUT I WANT HIM TO BRING THIS ALL HOME. WE CAUGHT YOU. YEAH, WE CAUGHT YOU. I THINK I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT TO US AND GETTING IT CLEAN, GETTING EVERYTHING READY TO. AND THEN. AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE ON A START DATE. LET'S LET'S DO IT THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, GET IT BACK TO US. LET'S GET IT. LET'S GET ALL THE BACKGROUND WORK. GET IT READY TO GO. AND THEN WE CAN EITHER THROUGH INFORMATION YOU GET FROM THE BUILDERS OR WHATEVER, WE CAN SET A DATE. YEAH, WELL, WE'LL AT THE VERY LATEST IS GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER 1ST. WE'LL SCHEDULE A TIME WITH WITH THE BUILDERS AND VARIOUS INDUSTRIES. YEP. OKAY. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NINE DISCUSS. AND DOES ANYBODY NEED A SHORT BREAK. I'M GOING TO GET A DRINK OF WATER. ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE. ALL RIGHT. [10. Discuss and consider building permit fee increases. – David Walton] WE'RE GOING TO GO. ITEM NINE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A BUILDING PERMIT FEE INCREASE. ALL RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SUPPOSED TO SIT DOWN BEFORE STANDING BACK UP OR HOW THAT THAT WORKS. YOU CAN SIT DOWN. SO THIS WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO ME. IT'S BEEN ON MY MIND FOR A WHILE. THE I'VE BEEN HERE TEN YEARS, WE HAVE NOT INCREASED FEES ONCE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SOME REQUIRED RESTRUCTURING OF OUR PERMIT FEES IN 2019 BASED UPON LEGISLATIVE. I THOUGHT WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASING FEES TO MEET TRY TO GET CLOSER TO MEETING OUR COST. I THINK THAT WAS HEALTH CODE, WASN'T IT? NO, IT WAS. I THINK IT WAS CLOSED ALL THE WAY ACROSS. BUT WE WE'VE HAD THE CONVERSATION. WE JUST HAVEN'T. NOW WE'RE HAVING THE PRESENTATION TO TO START THAT. OKAY. SO TIME. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT THAT LAKE JACKSON'S FEES HAVE NOT. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN HERE TEN YEARS. I DON'T I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHEN THEY WERE INCREASED BEFORE THEN OR HOW WE GOT TO THE FEE STRUCTURE IN 2019. WE SIMPLIFIED HOW WE WERE DOING FEES FOR RESIDENTIAL APPLICATIONS. AND WE ALSO SIMPLIFIED HOW WE HOW WE WERE CALCULATING MECHANICAL, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING PERMITS. I TOOK A LOOK AT CITIES AROUND US. GO SKIP THAT PAGE AND GO TO THE NEXT ONE. I HAVE A PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE, AND YOU'LL. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN RED STRIKETHROUGH IS WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE TO TAKE OUT AND REPLACE WITH WITH WHAT IS GREEN AND HIGHLIGHTED. IN MOST CASES, WE'RE JUST MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO TRY AND KEEP UP WITH, WITH SOME INCREASED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, INFLATION AND WHATNOT. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE SECOND PAGE, WE DO WANT TO ADD OR INCREASE SOME FEES AS A, AS AN EXAMPLE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. ANYTIME SOMEBODY MOVES INTO A EXISTING BUILDING, IT DOES GENERATE INSPECTIONS. OFTENTIMES A REVIEW ON WHETHER OR NOT THE USE IS STILL COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT THE SPACE WAS PRIOR TO. AND IN SOME CASES, A PERSON'S NOT DOING ANY WORK. A PERSON BRINGING IN A ACCOUNTING OFFICE WHERE A MERCANTILE STORE USED TO BE, THEY MIGHT NOT BE PUTTING UP ANY WALLS. THEY MIGHT THEY MIGHT NOT BE DOING ANYTHING. BUT IT'S STILL A CHANGE OF OF USE. NOW, THE REQUIREMENTS MIGHT NOT BE EXTENSIVE, BUT IT DOES REQUIRE REVIEW TIME. SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOUNT FOR STAFF TIME ACCOUNT FOR THE INSPECTIONS BY INCREASING THAT TO $100. [02:15:07] WE WANT TO INCREASE OUR RE INSPECTION FEES AS THOSE OFTENTIMES TAKE ADDITIONAL STAFF AND LABOR HOURS. WE ALSO WANT TO INCREASE AND IMPLEMENT OUR SCHEDULED AFTER HOURS AND WEEKEND FEES AND IMPLEMENT A SAME DAY INSPECTION FEE. THIS WOULD BE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE SCHEDULED WORK. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT EMERGENCY UTILITY TURN ONS. SOMEBODY WHO HAS TO REPLACE THEIR PANEL BOX BECAUSE THERE WAS A FIRE OR THE OR CENTER POINT CAME OUT AND PULLED THEIR METER BECAUSE IT WAS UNSAFE, OR THEY HAD A WATER LEAK IN THE YARD, THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THEM. WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY COME OUT AND DO THEIR INSPECTIONS BECAUSE WE WANT THEM, WE WANT THOSE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT FOR A CONTRACTOR THAT HAS SCHEDULED WORK OR IN SOME CASES WE HAVE ONE WE HAVE SOME CONTRACTORS WHO COME IN AND SAY, HEY, I'D LIKE TO PULL MY PERMIT. NOW, I NEED TO SCHEDULE MY INSPECTION. CAN WE DO THAT RIGHT NOW? WELL, THAT MEANS YOU'VE ALREADY ONE DONE THE WORK AND TWO, YOU DIDN'T GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SCHEDULE IT. WE HAVE SOME PLUMBERS WHO ARE INFAMOUS FOR THAT, INCLUDING. SO THEY'VE ALREADY DONE THE WORK. SO THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND PULL THE PERMIT AND THEY WANT TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT INSPECTED. YES, YES. SO IN THAT CASE WE'RE SAYING SURE, BUT THERE'S THERE'S A SAME DAY INSPECTION FEE FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, PLEASE LET US KNOW SO THAT I CAN SCHEDULE MY STAFF TO GO OUT AND DO THOSE INSPECTIONS. AND WHILE WE MIGHT BE DOWN RIGHT NOW ON ON PERMITS AND NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS, THAT INSPECTOR IS OUT HELPING SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE FIELD. AND SO SOMEBODY, SOMETHING'S NOT GETTING DONE BECAUSE I'VE HAD TO PULL THEM TO GO OVER AND FIX SOMEBODY ELSE'S EMERGENCY, WHICH REALLY ISN'T AN EMERGENCY. SO WHEN I PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL, SAY, I AM A PLUMBER, THAT'S DOING IT THE RIGHT WAY, AND I'VE PULLED A PERMIT. YEP, I'VE DONE THE WORK AND I PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, OKAY, I FINISHED THE JOB, I NEED AN INSPECTION. WHAT KIND OF TURNAROUND SHOULD THEY WOULD BE A MINIMUM STANDARD THAT THEY SHOULD EXPECT. OKAY, WE ASK FOR A 24 HOUR INSPECTION NOTICE. HOWEVER, WE DON'T. WE DON'T. TIME, TIME. DATE STAMP THOSE RIGHT. SO IF RIGHT AWAY. IF YOU CALL, IF YOU CALL US IN THE MORNING, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE GET OUT THERE. IF I HAVE STAFF AVAILABLE. AND IT'S AN EMERGENCY, THEN I'LL PULL SOMEBODY OUT AND GO TAKE CARE OF IT. ABSOLUTELY. WE'RE JUST GETTING TO MINIMUM STANDARD WHAT PEOPLE SHOULD EXPECT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YEAH, BUT BUT THAT PLUMBER HE HE PUT HE PUT THAT JOB DOWN ON HIS LEDGER SHEET TO GO OUT AND DO IT ON A SPECIFIC DATE AT A AND AT A SPECIFIC TIME WHEN HE PUT THAT DOWN, HE SHOULD HE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE HE'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOTTEN HIS PERMIT AND HE'S SUPPOSED TO GO OUT AND DO THE WORK AND THEN LET US KNOW WHEN, WHEN HE WOULD BE DONE. IT DOESN'T. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEBODY FROM HAVING A VIABLE EMERGENCY AND US JUMPING TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THEIR SERVICES BACK UP AND RUNNING IS BECAUSE YOUR LACK OF PLANNING CREATES AN EMERGENCY FOR YOU? DOESN'T MEAN YOUR LACK OF PLANNING DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN EMERGENCY ON OUR PART. YOU SAID THAT BEFORE I MET YOU. YEAH. SO IF THEY WOULD LIKE THAT, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE CAN. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A A FEE TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. I'D ALSO LIKE TO CHANGE OUR REFUND POLICY FROM OWNER TO APPLICANT, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT'S NOT THE OWNER WHO PULLED THE PERMIT. RIGHT. AND CHANGE IT FROM 180 DAYS TO 60 DAYS. IF IF THEY HAVE DECIDED THAT THE WORK WAS ABANDONED OR CHANGED THEIR MIND, OR MAYBE THAT THAT PLUMBER IN THIS CASE HAS PULLED OFF THAT JOB. THEY THEY COULD REQUEST A REFUND SO LONG AS WORK IS NOT STARTED. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE'RE GIVING YOU THE MONEY BACK QUICKER. YES. NOW, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, HANG ON A SECOND. YES, MA'AM. ON THAT REFUND POLICY? YES, MA'AM. SO DOES THAT PUT US IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE AN OWNER OF A PROPERTY. YOU HAVE A TENANT OF THE PROPERTY WHO COMES. THE TENANT COMES IN AND APPLIES FOR A PERMIT TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT APPROVED BY THE OWNER. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING. SO OUR APPLICANT, ALL OF OUR APPLICATIONS HAVE A STATEMENT AT THE BOTTOM THAT SAYS THAT BY PULLING THIS APPLICANT YOU ARE AUTHORIZED TO DO SO BECAUSE. OKAY. THE OWNER OR THEIR AGENT AND YOU'RE ACTING OUT OF THAT. YOU'RE ACTING AS THEIR AGENT BY PULLING THE PERMIT. JUST CHECKING. BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS THE APPLICANT WHO WAS GOING TO GET THE REFUND AND NOT THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. OKAY. SO WE PULLED SOME NEIGHBORING CITIES. WE HAVE FREEPORT, MANVILLE, ANGLETON, LAKE JACKSON, AND THE GRAY IS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY LAKE JACKSON AND THE BLUE IS WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO BE ALVIN LAKE CITY [02:20:06] ROSENBERG. AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NOW, THIS AND THIS IS BASED ON A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL BUILDING THAT'S JUST GOING TO BE A STORE. SO VERY MINIMAL PLUMBING FIXTURES. PRETTY BASIC AS FAR AS ELECTRIC AND AND HVAC WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE AT $6,900 IN PERMIT FEES. IS WELL DOWN IN TOWARDS THE BOTTOM. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THE BASEMENT THERE, BUT WE'RE. WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO BEING IN THE DIRT. BRINGING US UP TO THE PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE FOR THE. SAME SIZE BUILDING STILL LEAVES US IN THE UPPER THIRD. I DID NOT INCLUDE PEARLAND IN. THERE. THEY HAVE A REALLY, REALLY INTERESTING WAY OF CALCULATING THEIR PERMIT FEES. AND IF MY CALCULATIONS WERE CORRECT, TO BUILD THIS BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN. OVER $20,000. BUT I'M WASN'T EXACTLY SURE AND WANTED TO VERIFY THAT, SO I JUST LEFT THEM OFF THIS CHART. SO AGAIN, THAT PUTS US AT 9400, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY OVER ANGLETON, BUT WELL BELOW FREEPORT AND LEAGUE CITY. THIS PRICE WOULD BE IF YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW BUILDING. BRAND NEW BUILDING. OKAY, I'M GOING TO BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT STORE RIGHT NEXT TO NEW HOPE CHURCH ON RHONDA'S CORNER LOT. PROBABLY WOULDN'T FIT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING. AND AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL IS CONCERNED, WE'RE BASING THIS ON A 2500 SQUARE FOOT HOME WITH AN ATTACHED 600 SQUARE FOOT GARAGE. YOU'VE GOT TWO AND A HALF BATHS. YOU'VE GOT A STANDARD ELECTRICAL SYSTEM THROUGHOUT. AN AC, A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY. 220FT OF FENCE. YOU'VE EVEN GOT A SHED AND A POOL IN THERE, RIGHT? SO AGAIN, WE LEFT PEARLAND IN HERE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T AN OUTLIER, ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS. BUT WE'VE GOT FREELAND, FREEPORT, PEARLAND, MANVEL, ANGLETON AND AGAIN, LAKE JACKSON WITH WHERE WE ARE AND PROPOSED, ALVIN, LAKE CITY AND ROSENBERG. YOU CAN SEE AS PROPOSED WE'RE JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE ON A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING THAN WE ARE. CURRENTLY NOT TRYING TO IMPACT THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING. WE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AGAIN BACK IN 2019, WHICH DID HAVE AN IMPACT, ALTHOUGH IT MAY HAVE BEEN MINIMAL. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TO COLLECT OUR FEES ON THE BACK SIDE OF, OF THE HOMEOWNER, THE HOMEOWNER, BECAUSE IT DOES STILL MAKE US THE SECOND MOST EXPENSIVE. YES, BUT IT'S BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I SAID I WAS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE WE CHARGE MORE FOR A POOL, BUT COMPARED TO PEARLAND, WE DO. BUT YEAH, LEAGUE CITY IS 600 BUCKS FOR A POOL INSPECTION. YEAH, BUT THE POOL, NOT EVERY HOME HAS IT. OH, I KNOW, I AGREE. NOT BE COUNTED. RIGHT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL HOUSE COST DOES THAT MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE? LET'S SEE. FREEPORT. TYLER. FREEPORT. PEARLAND. IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. PEARLAND IS JUST BARELY HIGHER. AND YEAH. SO WE'RE STILL NUMBER THREE. DRIVEWAY. EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ANOTHER THING I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT WAS AN INCREASE ON OUR APARTMENT INSPECTION FEE, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THE LAST PAGE. YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR THOSE CITIES THAT DO HAVE AN APARTMENT INSPECTION PROGRAM. SO TAKE OUT ANGLETON, ALVIN AND LEAGUE CITY AND ROSENBERG JUST STOPPED THEIRS THIS YEAR. FOR THOSE CITIES THAT DO HAVE AN APARTMENT INSPECTION PROGRAM, WE ARE MOST DEFINITELY WELL UNDER THE THRESHOLD THAT THEY'RE CHARGING ONE. JUST WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE FOR WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE UNTIL AT ABOUT INVASION. YEAH, YEAH. AND A FIRE CHARGE $50 ANNUALLY FOR EACH APARTMENT. YEP. $50 ANNUAL. THAT'S CORRECT. FOR EACH UNIT. WOW. FOR EACH UNIT. AND AND EACH EACH RENTAL DWELLING. EACH RENTAL DWELLING. THEY CHARGE $50 ANNUALLY. SO NOT JUST APARTMENTS. PROBABLY NOT. NOT YET. [02:25:01] YEAH, THEY MUST KNOW IT'S COMING. MANVILLE'S EXPANDING LEAPS AND BOUNDS. BUT DIDN'T WE ORIGINALLY SET IT UP TO WHERE THE 250 WOULD COVER THE COST OF HIRING THAT INSPECTOR? YES. AND IT DOES. IT DOES COVER THE INSPECTOR. THE $5 TAKES CARE OF KEEPING UP WITH SALARIES. OR IT WOULD. IT WOULD? WELL, IF THAT'S THE WAY WE STARTED, WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT PRACTICE. WE DO COVER. I MEAN, THE 250 DOES COVER THE COST. IT MAY. WE'VE NOT ROLLED IN. IT COVERS THE INSPECTOR. WE'VE NOT ROLLED IN OR CALCULATED TIME FOR THE FRONT DESK STAFF OR THE FIRE MARSHAL'S OFFICE, BUT IT DOES COVER. IT DOES MORE THAN COVER THE INSPECTOR. I THINK WE NEED TO EVENTUALLY ROLL. THE TOTAL COST NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT PROGRAM. PROBABLY THE IT'S NOT GOING TO GET YOU TO $50 OR GET YOU TO EVERY APPOINTMENT BEFORE THEY RENT. OKAY. SO HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS WE DO IN A PRE OCCUPANCY INSPECTION ON EVERY OF AVAILABLE UNIT AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. SO I SAY AVAILABLE BECAUSE IF IF, MR. BAKER, YOU WERE TO TO RENT AN APARTMENT BUT ONLY BE IN IT NINE MONTHS, THAT APARTMENT COMPLEX COULD RE LET THAT APARTMENT WITHOUT GETTING THE INSPECTION. THEY'D HAVE IT ON FOR THE INITIAL OCCUPANCY, AND THEN IN NINE MONTHS THEY COULD REOCCUPY IT WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE THAT INSPECTION. BUT BUT IF A YEAR'S TIME HAS PASSED, WHEN THAT UNIT BECOMES AVAILABLE, IT WOULD BE INSPECTED PRIOR TO BEING REOCCUPIED. WELL, YOU HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE SOMEBODY LIVES IN THE SAME APARTMENT FOR TEN YEARS. YEAH. AND WE ONLY GET IN THERE THE FIRST TIME. OR IF THEY CALL US WITH AN ISSUE. THIS IS THE FEED, THOUGH, THAT, YOU KNOW, WARNS JEFF, THAT WE MAY RECEIVE THE MOST RESISTANCE FROM. WHY IS THAT? BECAUSE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX IS, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL SEE IT IMMEDIATELY ON THEIR UTILITY BILL. SO WE'LL HEAR FROM THEM. YEAH. FREEPORT'S INSPECTION PROGRAM. AN ORDINANCE IS BRAND NEW THIS YEAR, SO THAT FEE IS NEW FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. HOWEVER, CLUTE'S BEEN DOING IT AT LEAST FOR THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE. BUT DID THEY ALSO DID THEY EXTEND IT INTO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? FREEPORT. NO, THAT DIDN'T GO. THE ONLY ONE THAT. THE ONLY ONE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT ALSO DOES SINGLE FAMILY BESIDES MANVILLE IS RICHWOOD, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED ON ON MY SHEET. I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE ALSO AT $5. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THEY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF APARTMENT STOCK, THOUGH. WELL, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO COVER. WE NEED TO BECAUSE WE STARTED DOWN THAT ROAD. WE NEED TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT ROAD OF COVERING OUR COSTS FOR THIS PROGRAM THROUGH THIS FEE. THAT'S MY FEE. I AGREE. THAT'S WHY WE SOLD IT WHEN WE BEGAN. AND THAT'S THE WAY I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE. THE END. THE END. THANK YOU. INCLUDING THE FRONT OFFICE. HELP IN THAT COST. AND WE ARE INCLUDED. I THINK WE NEED TO ROLL IT IN. OVER. GOING FORWARD, I THINK WE NEED TO. WE NEED TO TAKE IT IN STEPS. MY SUGGESTION WAS TAKEN INTO STEPS WOULD BE TO TAKE IT INTO STEPS BUT SAY I DON'T KNOW. WELL, I DO BELIEVE THAT $5 WILL MORE THAN COVER THE FEE. AGAIN, THE THE 250 AS IT STANDS MORE THAN COVERS THE INSPECTOR. OKAY. WHERE I DON'T KNOW IS THE SEE WHAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO TO COVER YOUR OVERHEAD, YOUR OVERHEAD. LET'S SEE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AND SEE IF WE WANT TO DO IT ALL AT ONCE, OR IF WE WANT TO STEP IT IN. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FEES? AM I DOING OKAY ON TIME YET? MODESTO MIGHT WANT ME TO SIT DOWN. YOU PROBABLY NEED A BREAK. I GOT ONE MORE ITEM. [11. New Business Updates – David Walton] AGENDA. ONE MORE. ONE MORE AGENDA ITEM. YEAH. ONE MORE THING. BUSINESS UPDATES. THIS SHOULD BE A POSITIVE THING. BUSINESS UPDATES. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE HE MOVES TO THE BUSINESS UPDATE, WE KNEW WE DO NEED A COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO SHERRY CAN. WE CAN BRING AN ORDINANCE AND AN INTRODUCTION AT THAT TIME. WE CAN WE CAN BRING THAT OUT SO WE CAN CHANGE THE APPOINTMENT IF YOU WANT. I THINK THE ONLY THING THAT WE SAID WAS THAT NEEDS SOME WORK ON IT IS THAT THE APARTMENT INSPECTIONS FEE. SO WE COULD DO. YEAH. SOMEBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION IF THEY WANT TO. ON ON ITEM NINE TO ACCEPT THE PERMIT FEES. OKAY. YOU'RE NOT REALLY. YOU'RE JUST GIVING ME. YOU'RE JUST GIVING ME INSTRUCTIONS. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YOU CAN JUST SAY, GET IT DONE. GET IT DONE. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE DONE. ENGAGE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OH, YOU GOT BUSINESS UP THERE. GIVE US SOME GOOD NEWS. WELL, CAVINDERS, ARE THEY OPEN? [02:30:03] YEAH, THEY'VE BEEN OPEN FOR A WHILE. OKAY. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU GOT IN THERE? I HAVE NO, I HAVE NOT BEEN INSIDE. I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO. I DIDN'T I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE RIBBON CUTTING, BUT. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THEY WERE. THEY INVITED. THEY HAVEN'T INVITED ANYBODY TO A GRAND OPENING SO THAT I KNOW OF. WHEN DID THEY OPEN? WHEN DID THEY OPEN, DAVID? WHEN DID THEY OPEN? IT WAS. IT WAS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. I HAD A I HAD A GRAND OPENING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. THEY WERE DOING LIKE $25 GIFT CARD FOR TEN CUSTOMERS. WELL, I DIDN'T GET ONE OF THOSE. NO, I I'VE GOT MY I'VE GOT MY TWO PAIRS OF BOOTS THAT ARE VERY COMFORTABLE. AND I DON'T THINK I NEED ANY MORE AT THIS TIME. ALL RIGHT. AND EVERYBODY LAUGHS AT ME WHEN I WEAR MY HAT, SO I JUST DON'T TYPICALLY WEAR IT. CAN'T WEAR YOUR HAT. EVERYBODY THINKS THAT I LOOK FUNNY. WELL, MY WIFE THINKS I LOOK FUNNY IN A HAT, SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S JUST MY WIFE WHO LAUGHS AT ME. SO WE HAVEN'T DONE BUSINESS UPDATES IN A LITTLE WHILE. AND WHILE I DON'T HAVE ANY EARTH SHATTERING NEWS, YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW THAT THE TCU BRANCH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS GOING VERY WELL. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY ON A COUPLE OF OCCASIONS USED A THIRD PARTY INSPECTOR BECAUSE THEY NEEDED AN ACCELERATED INSPECTION SCHEDULE THAT I COULDN'T MY, MY STAFF COULDN'T ACCOMMODATE. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN YOU WANT TO POUR 42 PIERS IN THE SAME DAY. BUT BUT YOU WANT TO DO THEM AS THE CONCRETE'S AVAILABLE. I COULDN'T BABYSIT OR PUT MY INSPECTOR OUT THERE ALL DAY LONG, SO WE DID WORK WITH A FIRM THAT WE HAD WORKED IN THE PAST. IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL. THEY. SO THEY GET THEIR OWN OUTSIDE, INSPECTOR. WELL, SO HERE, HERE, HERE'S HOW THAT WORKS. WE PUT THEM IN TOUCH WITH THE INSPECTION COMPANY AND SAID, YOU GUYS SORT OUT THE DETAILS. OKAY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO TO SIGN THE CONTRACT, YOU SORT OUT THE DETAILS, YOU SORT OUT THE PRICE. BECAUSE THAT INSPECTOR IS ACTUALLY WORKING FOR US, NOT YOU. BUT THEY PAID FOR IT. BUT THEY. BUT THEY PAID FOR IT. YEAH. IT WAS JUST A PASS THROUGH EXPENSE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THE VILLAS APARTMENTS ARE ACTUALLY WORKING VERY NICELY RIGHT NOW. WE DID HAVE SOME, SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT A FENCE THAT FELL DOWN DURING THE STORM, BUT THEY HAVE REPLACED THAT FENCE. BUT THEY ARE CONTRACTORS ON SITE. THERE'S THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE WEEK. HAS BEEN THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR SEVERAL WEEKS NOW. SO WELL, SPRING 2022, WE'LL BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THE GRAND OPENING. THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN SAYS. OKAY. IT'S WHAT THE SIGN SAYS. YEAH. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. IT'S NOT 2022. IT'S 2122 AND 2122. MAYBE THEY MISSED. MAYBE THEY MEANT 2032. NO, NO. I ANTICIPATE THEM TO BE FINISHING UP WITHIN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. COMPLETELY. THAT'D BE GREAT. THE ENTIRE SITE, HARMONIE PARK, THOUGH, ON THE OTHER HAND. THAT ONE. I WILL BE SENDING THEM A LETTER OF EXPIRATION THAT HAS BEEN SITTING OUT THERE AS A SLAB ON THAT LOT NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND I'VE BEEN GIVING THEM GRACE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REAPPLY FOR A BRAND NEW PERMIT. AND I'LL BE HONEST, IF THEY DON'T COME IN BEFORE YOU GUYS DECIDE TO HAVE AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE 21 CODE, THEY'LL HAVE TO REDESIGN IT. YEAH, BUT THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE NURSING HOME. YEAH. YEAH. OUT THERE ON GARLAND, RIGHT ACROSS FROM GARLAND PARK. HONESTLY, SAME THING WITH WITH REGAL STORAGE. THERE'S THERE'S ONE THAT HAS. THEY CAME IN AS A AS A RUSH, RUSH, RUSH. WE NEED TO BUILD THIS. WE HAVE TO BUILD IT. WE HAVE TO BUILD IT. WE'LL WAIT A SECOND. WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT. OR FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE ECONOMY OR INTEREST OR THINGS OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL. BUT AT THIS POINT, THEY SHOULD. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE DEMAND FOR THE FACILITY IS THERE. IT'S JUST THAT THE DOLLARS AREN'T THERE. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH THE COST OF STEEL AND STUFF RIGHT NOW. SO IT'S SO FINANCIAL. SO IT'S BEST ON OUR END TO TO CLOSE IT UP AND HAVE THEM COME BACK WHEN THEY'RE READY FOR IT, THAN JUST KEEPING IT ON THE BOOKS. SAME WITH CHUCK E CHEESE. THERE'S ONE THAT'S BEEN ON THE ON THE LIST FOREVER, BUT THEY'RE HOLDING ON WAITING ON A LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND THE MALL. SO IF WE CAN GET IT OFF THE BOOKS THAT WOULD BENEFIT US. SAME WITH THE NEUROGENESIS, WHICH IS IN THE OLD NEIGHBORS. SO IT'S GOING TO MOVE THE CONTAINER THAT'S BEEN SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT NOW FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. I CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT. I HAD THAT HASN'T. [02:35:01] TO BE HONEST, THE CONTAINER HASN'T BEEN ON MY RADAR AS BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OF AN ORDINANCE. SO I'LL LOOK INTO FINDING OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET THEM TO MOVE IT. BUT IT'S IT'S JUST BEEN SITTING THERE. YEAH, IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. EVERYTHING ELSE, WALMART'S WORKING ON THEIR THEIR CURBSIDE EXPANSION. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS WORKING ON THEIR THEIR CHAPEL. THE CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED OVER THERE ON ON THIS WAY IS IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. FOUNDATIONS GOING IN. ARE THEY SELLING GAS THERE? WHERE? THE CONVENIENCE STORE. NOT CURRENTLY. IT'S A FOUNDATION. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THEY WILL SELL GAS. YES. THEY HAVE PUMPS AND EVERYTHING. YEAH. HE'S BEING A SMARTY BRITCHES. WHAT'S THAT? THEY'VE DUG. DUG IT UP AND GOT THE CONTAINERS UNDERGROUND AND EVERYTHING. NO. NOT YET. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE FOUNDATION FOR THE BUILDING, BUT IT MAKES ME THINK THEY WEREN'T SELLING GAS. YEAH. NO, THEY. THAT IS PROPOSED WITH AS AS FULL GAS, WITH A CANOPY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND EVERYTHING. YEAH, THAT'S A WEIRD PLACE. THE WAY IT LOOKS, IT DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT. OKAY. YEAH, YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION. YEAH. ARE THEY GOING TO DO ANOTHER? DO YOU HAVE THE ENTRANCE? YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE INTO, LIKE, WHERE RICOCHET'S IS, AND YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE INTO THE BANK. SO THERE'LL BE AN ENTRANCE IN BETWEEN THOSE, I'M ASSUMING. WELL THERE WAS THERE IS AN, AN ENTRANCE THAT IS GOING TO COME DIRECTLY OFF OF THIS WAY. OKAY. HOWEVER, I DON'T RECALL WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID. THEY GET A CURB CUT FOR THAT? NO, NO, THEY DID NOT GET A CURB CUT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A BUMPY RIDE. IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD WAY. RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. WELL, WE'LL SEND YOU A SITE PLAN. WE MAY HAVE, BUT WE'LL SEND ONE OUT. OKAY. YEAH. HOW WOULD THEY GET TO IT WITHOUT A CURB CUT? WALMART IS CREATING A VERY UNSAFE SITUATION THERE. THEY GOT THOSE CURBSIDE DELIVERIES IN THE MAIN DRAGON WHEN YOU COME IN WITH 800 PARKING SPOTS. YES. AND THEY CAME TO THE PLANNERS AND HAD THEM MOVE IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE RIGHT SIDE. SOMETIMES RANDOM SHOPPERS PARK IN THIS PARKING SPOT. YEAH. AND THE PEOPLE THAT RUN OVER THERE SELL INFORMS ME THAT THE LOCATION FOR THE DRIVEWAY INTO THAT GAS STATION COINCIDES WITH AN EXISTING CURB CUT. SO NO NEW CURB CUT. THEY CAN USE THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY THERE. OKAY. WELL, GOOD. ALL RIGHT. WHAT ELSE? OTHER THAN THAT WE DO KNOW THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WE ARE WORKING WITH A COUPLE OF DEVELOPERS ON WHO HAVE COME IN FOR A COUPLE OF PARCELS. ONE OVER THERE IN FRONT OF WOOD SPRINGS OVER THERE BY BUCKY'S AND ONE AT THE EMPTY LOT RIGHT BEHIND THE TARGET. ALTHOUGH I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE OTHER THAN A COUPLE PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING ON THOSE PARCELS. ALL RIGHT, THE END, THE END. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A THANK YOU SLIDE FOR THIS ONE. SORRY. WELL THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [12. Staff Updates] MOVE ON TO STAFF UPDATES. CITY MANAGER. THE BARREL UPDATE. THIS IS THE CALCULATION THAT WE'VE SUBMITTED TO FEMA. THESE ARE ESTIMATES FOR EACH CATEGORY. THEY'LL CHANGE OVER TIME. DEBRIS IS PRETTY MUCH SET NOW THAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM YOU KNOW, WE'RE FINALIZING OUR INVOICES FOR CARTER GULF AND THEN THOMPSON CONSULTING THE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURES. THAT'S HIGH. NOT ALL OF THAT IS SALARIES. THAT ALSO INCLUDES REIMBURSEMENT CALCULATIONS FOR ANY EQUIPMENT THAT WE USE. SO IF WE USE, YOU KNOW, A VEHICLE, WE'RE ELIGIBLE FOR THE HOURS ON THAT. SO A LOT OF THAT THAT NUMBER HIGH IS ACTUALLY GOOD OF GETTING REIMBURSEMENTS. SO WE'LL START WORKING ON THE DETAILS. BUT RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE INITIAL ESTIMATE I HOPE THAT IT'S 2 MILLION. BECAUSE THAT MEANS THEY'VE ACCEPTED A LOT OF OUR EQUIPMENT COSTS. BUT AGAIN, IT MAY COME DOWN. THAT'S REIMBURSEMENT FOR GENERATORS. YOU KNOW, ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE, THE ROAD AND BRIDGES THE BIG EXPENSE THERE IS THE THREE TRAFFIC LIGHTS REPLACING THOSE. WE'LL SEE IF THOSE GET FUNDED BUILDINGS AND EQUIPMENT. THAT'S OUR REPAIRS FOR THE MAJORITY OF THAT IS FOR THREE FACILITIES. INSURANCE HAS BEEN WOEFULLY INADEQUATE ON THE REPAIR. A LOT OF THAT IS ALSO BECAUSE OUR DEDUCTIBLE IS SO HIGH FOR A NAMED EVENT. WHERE DO I KNOW WE GOT SOME LIFT STATIONS THAT HAD ROOF DAMAGE AND STUFF? WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF. ERIC, IS THAT OUT OF THE BUILDINGS OR IS THAT IN THE UTILITIES SIDE? THE IT'S IN THE BUILDINGS. OKAY. MOST LIKELY, THOUGH, WE PROBABLY WILL NOT SUBMIT THOSE TO FEMA FOR REIMBURSEMENT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO, THEN THEY REQUIRE THAT YOU INSURE THEM. [02:40:06] AND AFTER OUR EXPERIENCE THIS TIME WITH TWINS AND STUFF, IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT. RIGHT. UTILITIES, I DON'T KNOW PARTICULARLY WHAT IS IN THE UTILITY NUMBER OR CAN MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. THAT NUMBER IS HIGH. MOSTLY BECAUSE OF THE GOLF COURSE. IF THEY WILL FUND, WE PUT WE PUT A HIGH PROJECT THERE TO REPAIR THE THE BUNKERS AND TO SEE IF THEY'LL HELP FUND THOSE REPAIRS. THE CONSULTANT WE HIRED, ARE WE STILL ENGAGED WITH THEM OR ARE THEY DONE? WE ARE. BUT WE'RE GETTING READY TO. OR WE ALREADY HAVE ADVERTISED OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR A CONSULTANT AFTER THIS FIRST 90 DAYS. OKAY. SO WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT PROCESS. SO I'LL COME BACK TO US. YES. WE'LL STAFF WILL INTERVIEW, AND THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK ON THE FOURTH. OKAY. NOVEMBER 4TH. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. ELIZABETH, NÉE SCHOOL ZONE. I THOUGHT BISD ASKED US TO KEEP THE SCHOOL ZONE UP. THEY DID, BUT WE DID MAKE SOME CORRECTIONS. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF INCONSISTENCIES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, AND SO WE'VE REMOVED ANY OF THE SCHOOL ZONE SIGNS THAT WE MISSED OUT OF THE ORDINANCE REVISION AND STUFF. SO IF YOU GO BY, I THINK WE I THINK WE'VE CAUGHT EVERY CORRECTION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. THE ONE BEFORE THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH NO LONGER HAS SCHOOL THERE ANYMORE. SO WHY IS THAT STARTING AT THE BEFORE THE CHURCH ON YOUR ONE BAPTIST CHURCH? YEAH. IT'S THE FLASHING YELLOW. WHICH DIRECTION? HE HAS STUDENTS. IT'S NOT SO THAT IS FOR. BUT THAT IS FOR THE SCHOOL. IT'S NOT FOR THE. IT WAS IT IS STILL FOR ME. RIGHT. BECAUSE HE ASKED FOR ONLY AROUND. IT'S NOT AROUND A BLOCK AWAY FROM ME. WHICH DIRECTION TOWARDS OCD OR OCD DOWN TOWARDS 332 SO AS YOU'RE SO AS YOU'RE GOING INTO A SCHOOL ZONE, AS YOU'RE GOING. AS YOU'RE GOING. TOWARDS. SO IT WOULD BE FROM OCD AND YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS THE HIGHWAY. YEAH. THERE IS A SIGN THERE AT, AT OCD WHICH IS OKAY, BUT THEN YOU CROSS. I BELIEVE WINDING WAY AND THERE IS A FLASHING YELLOW. THERE'S STILL THERE'S STILL SCHOOL DISTRICT. THERE IS STILL I LEFT A SCHOOL DISTRICT GOING DOWN TO OCD BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHY IT WAS THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS FOR KIDS GOING TO LG OR FOR THE. IT WAS A SCHOOL THAT USED TO BE AT THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, THE PRIVATE SCHOOL. WE WE HAD A FLASHING LIGHT FOR A PRIVATE SCHOOL. IT WAS INCORPORATED AROUND MAY BECAUSE THE KNAVE WAS THERE. YEAH. AND SO THEY BESIDES ASKING FOR THE SCHOOL ZONE. WE'LL HAVE TO GO TAKE A LOOK, BECAUSE I'M. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ONE WAY SIGN STILL ON A COUPLE OF STREETS. AND THEY WERE THERE FOR PEOPLE TO COME PICK UP THEIR KIDS. THEY WERE LINING UP. SO THERE'S NO NEED FOR KIDS TO BE PICKED UP AT THIS LOCATION ANYMORE. YEAH. THE ONE WAY THEY DO NOT ENTER SIGNS AND THE DO NOT BECAUSE THE DO NOT ENTER WOULD BE DOWN. SO THE ONE WAY WOULD ALSO BE DOWN. OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE ANOTHER LOOK. THIS WAS MORE COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT. THERE'S SO MANY SIGNS ON BOTH WAYS. ON YOUR ON YOUR POND AT AROUND THE BAPTIST CHURCH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT DO YOU HAVE ACTIONS DOWN. YOU HAD THE LOOKING AT WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. FOR WHAT? WE SHOULD INCREASE THE INSPECTIONS OF APARTMENTS. IT SHOULD BE MORE THAN APARTMENTS. AND THEN WE'LL RELOOK AT THE THE SCHOOLS AND THE ONE WAY SIGN. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE SET UP OUR TIMES WITH THE BUILDERS. RIGHT. FOR A WORKSHOP. OKAY. AND THEN SOMEWHERE IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL SET A DATE FOR WHEN WE START THE THE NEW CODES. OKAY. CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. [13. Construction Updates] ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING? QUESTIONS FOR SAL? NO. RIGHT. THANK YOU. EVERYTHING'S GOING GREAT. EVERYTHING'S GOING WELL. [02:45:01] CORRECT. WE'RE GETTING THE PROJECTS OUT THERE. MOVING. THEY'RE MOVING. WHETHER THIS LAST LITTLE BIT. GOOD WEATHER, THE GOOD WEATHER HAS HELPED QUITE A BIT. YEAH. THANK GOD. STORMS ON THE FLORIDA YEP. I DON'T. YEAH. YEAH. POOR PEOPLE OVER THERE. YEAH. OKAY. [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] IF THAT'S NOT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS. COMMUNITY INTEREST. WE'VE GOT MR. BUELL. NO, SONYA. BROUGHT US. I CAN THINK OF. THANK YOU. SETH. NO, SIR. JB. MR. BAKER? NOT MANY INCHES. JUST A QUESTION. ON OYSTER CREEK FROM YAUPON TO SAN JOSE. ON A CHURCH SITE. IT'S A TREE WITH A WIRE THAT'S BEEN DOWN THERE FOR A WHILE. I THINK IT'S ON THE RESIDENT PROPERTY OR WHATEVER. I THINK I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT MAGNOLIA. THE TREES GONE, I THINK. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I THINK THE PROOF OF THAT IS IT WAS A MAGNOLIA TREE. YEAH. YEAH. THEY GOT IT LAST WEEK. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'D BE. THAT'D BE IT. I UNDERSTAND WE HAD A GREAT NIGHTS OUT, SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT. I THINK THE PUBLIC REALLY ENJOYED THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT'S DONE. STAFF. YOU KNOW, I WILL BE WE ARE TAKING THURSDAY. SOME OF THE STAFF WERE GOING UP TO HTML, HTML FOR, FOR THE DAY STAFF IS GOING. YEAH. I THINK THEY HAVE A PRESENTATION ON STREET REPAIR, NEW TECHNOLOGY. OKAY. I THINK THAT'S THURSDAY. I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. YEAH. OKAY. I KNOW WHERE I'LL NOT BE. OH, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IT. IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE FIELD, I THINK. HANDS ON. IF THE WEATHER COOLS DOWN. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE, WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LONG NIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.