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WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.WELCOME TO EVERYONE TO, UH, TONIGHT'S, UH, REGULAR SESSION OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY, OCTOBER 21ST, 2024 AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
THE EVENING WITH, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN BROS.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY.
HONOR, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO BE TEXAS, ONE STATE UNDER ONE, ONE INDIVIDUAL INVOCATION.
THIS EVENING WILL BE, UH, LED BY COUNCILMAN B LETTER, PRAY.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET HERE THIS EVENING.
AND AS OUR MEETING PROGRESSES AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND COURAGE TO MAKE THE DECISION THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR CITIZENS AND OUT OF OUR CITY.
WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH OUR EMT FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL AS LONG AS OUR MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES BE WITH US.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA OF VISITORS' COMMENTS.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, UH, VISITORS, UH, THAT ARE IN, IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT TO BRING, UH, ISSUES, UH, TO COUNSEL, UH, THAT ARE NOT ON THE CONSENT OR REGULAR AGENDA.
REMEMBERING THAT, UH, ANY ISSUES THAT YOU BRING FORWARD AT THIS TIME PERIOD, UH, WE CAN'T REALLY DISCUSS OR DEBATE, UH, BUT WE CAN LISTEN AND, UH, IF APPROPRIATE, PUT IT ON A FUTURE AGENDA.
SO, IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS AN ITEM THAT YOU'D LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDAS? ALRIGHT,
[PRESENTATIONS]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS.CERTIFICATION, UH, CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION TO COUNCILMAN BROADUS FROM ZURE COUNTY AG LIFE EXTENSION.
VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT MR. BRODA HAD TO SIT IN FOR ME.
AND HE HAD TO PARTAKE IN ALL THOSE SHORTCAKES I KNOW.
AND NOW I GET A, NOW I GET A, A CERTIFICATE.
WELL, WE, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU, YOU, UM, TAKING ON THAT TOUGH JOB.
IT WAS A VERY, I HAD TO A DOZEN JUDGE ALL THAT STUFF SHORT.
SO, UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOTTA START WITH A GREAT BIG TEXAS A AND M.
THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE ONCE AGAIN.
UM, ON BEHALF OF TEXAS A AND M AGRILIFE EXTENSION, I'M HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SHARE, UM, WITH YOU WHAT THE HORTICULTURE DEPARTMENT AND OUR BRAZORIA COUNTY MASTER GARDENERS HAVE BEEN DOING OVER THE PAST YEAR.
UH, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME FROM LAST YEAR, MY NAME IS KIMBERLY MAYER AND I AM THE HORTICULTURE AGENT FOR BRAZORIA COUNTY.
MY JOB WITH TEXAS A AND M AGRILIFE EXTENSION IS TO, UM, BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR BRAZORIA COUNTY MASTER GARDENERS, AS WELL AS OFFER EDUCATIONAL OUTREACH, UM, OPPORTUNITIES AND EDUCATION ON ALL THINGS HORTICULTURE RELATED, YOU KNOW, FROM TREES TO TURF TO TOMATOES, WE, WE TEACH IT ALL.
AND SO AT EXTENSION, WE VALUE PEOPLE, PROGRAMS AND PARTNERSHIPS, AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE WE'VE PUT OUR RESOURCES, UM, AND ATTENTION DURING 2023 AND HAVE CONTINUED TO DO SO IN 2024.
WE HAVE INVESTED IN INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT OUR ORGANIZATION.
WE HAVE REFINED OUR EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMMING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF BRAZORIA COUNTY RESIDENTS.
AND WE HAVE FORGED PARTNERSHIPS AND MAINTAINED RELATIONSHIPS WITH SEVERAL LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, ALL IN AN EFFORT TO STRENGTHEN OUR TIES TO THE COMMUNITY.
SO, HERE'S A LOOK AT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE INVESTED IN, AND THAT IS OUR 2024 MASTER GARDENER INTERN CLASS.
THIS PAST JANUARY, WE BEGAN OUR 11 WEEK JOURNEY OF EDUCATION AND FELLOWSHIP WITH 21 STUDENTS.
OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, WE LAUGHED.
WE LEARNED WE ATE REALLY WELL, AND WE CREATED SOME LIFETIME FRIENDSHIPS WITH PEOPLE THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE MET OTHERWISE.
WE HEARD FROM STATE EXTENSION SPECIALISTS ON TOPICS LIKE PLANT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT, TURF GRASS AND EARTH KIND GARDENING.
WE ALSO BROUGHT IN OUR OWN LOCAL EXPERTS TO TEACH ABOUT THINGS LIKE HERBS, VEGETABLES, UH, PROPAGATION ROSES, AND PRUNING, WOODY OR ORNAMENTALS.
AND THIS YEAR WE IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL MORE HANDS-ON AND PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF VITAL GARDENING SKILLS, SUCH AS HOW TO TAKE A SOIL SAMPLE, PROPER FERTILIZATION OF YOUR LAWN, AND HOW TO PLANT
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A TREE THE RIGHT WAY.THESE INTERNS RECEIVED OVER 50 HOURS OF EDUCATIONAL TRAINING FROM AGRILIFE EXTENSION, AND ONCE THEY HAVE COMPLETED 50 HOURS OF VOLUNTEER SERVICE, WE WILL MAKE THEM OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL AND CERTIFY THEM AS TEXAS MASTER GARDENERS.
THEY, UM, ACTUALLY HAVE UNTIL APRIL OF 2025 TO GET ALL OF THOSE VOLUNTEER HOURS IN.
BUT WE HAVE A, ANOTHER REALLY GREAT GROUP OF GO-GETTERS.
AND SO 15 OF THE 21 INTERNS HAVE ALREADY MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND BECOME CERTIFIED.
SO FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED, THE INTERNS REALLY APPRECIATED THIS TYPE OF LEARNING ENVIRONMENT AND BENEFITED FROM THAT TYPE OF INTERACTIVE EXPERIENCE, AND WE WERE THRILLED THAT WE COULD PROVIDE SUCH INNOVATIVE AND IMMERSIVE TRAINING TO OUR INTERNS.
SO HERE'S A LOOK AT OUR NUMBERS FOR 2023.
WE CURRENTLY HAVE 107 MASTER GARDENERS AND 15 INTERNS.
THESE MEMBERS HAVE NOT ONLY VOLUNTEERED OVER 11,000 HOURS, BUT THEY ALSO ATTENDED MORE THAN 2,500 HOURS OF CONTINUING EDUCATION SO THAT THEY CAN REMAIN CERTIFIED AND CONTINUE SHARING THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE WITH THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN ONE NUMBER THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHARE ENOUGH OF IS THE NUMBER OF MILES THAT THESE VOLUNTEERS DRIVE EACH YEAR TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE IN THESE PROGRAMS AND OUTREACH EVENT EVENTS.
IT'S A WHOPPING 81,000 MILES THAT WERE DRIVEN BY ALL OF THESE DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS.
UM, AND I, AND I JUST THINK THAT IT'S WELL WORTH MENTIONING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS ARE PUTTING IN MILES ON THEIR OWN CARS TO COME AND TEACH OUR, OUR, OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS, UM, AND SHARE THEIR HORTICULTURE KNOWLEDGE WITH THEM.
AND SO WHEN YOU PUT ALL OF THIS EFFORT TOGETHER, IT ADDS UP TO AN ECONOMIC IMPACT OF OVER $357,000 TO BRAZORIA COUNTY, WHICH WE'RE, WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF.
AND SO THESE NUMBERS ARE DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE HIGH QUALITY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER AND HOW WE CAN PROVIDE OUR AUDIENCE WITH EDUCATION AND SERVICE.
ONE OTHER ASPECT OF OUR OUTREACH PROGRAMMING IS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON REACHING MORE AND MORE CITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.
YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THERE THAT IN 2023, OUR PROGRAMS AND EVENTS WERE HELD IN NINE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT BRAZORIA COUNTY.
AND IN 2024, WE'VE ALREADY BEEN ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF 12 CITIES, UM, WITHIN OUR AREA.
SOME OF THESE EVENTS INCLUDE MASTER GARDENER LED SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS, PLANTS, UH, TREE AND SEEDLING SALES, AS WELL AS EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. UM, LIKE MY TRIPLE T SERIES THAT I OFFERED THIS THIS PAST YEAR, IT STANDS FOR TREES, TURF AND TOMATOES, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES THE EXTENSION PHONE, UM, RING MY EMAIL NOTIFICATIONS, UH, GO OFF OR QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S LAWNS AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH MY TREES.
SO WHY NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, EDUCATIONAL CLASSES ON TREES, TURF, AND TOMATOES? UM, BECAUSE BASICALLY, UM, NOBODY CALLS ME ABOUT THEIR RABI.
SO GOTTA
SO WITH THAT, I WILL WRAP THIS UP AND TELL YOU THAT WE ARE DOING SOME REALLY GREAT THINGS HERE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY, AND NONE OF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE.
WITHOUT THE IMMENSE SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE ENTIRE COUNTY, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO MY JOB AS AN AGENT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF MY BRAZORIA COUNTY MASTER GARDENERS.
AND TOGETHER WE COULDN'T REACH ALL OF THE RESIDENTS OF BRAZORIA COUNTY WITHOUT THEIR HELP.
SO THAT, THIS IS JUST ONE LAST LOOK AT THE VALUE, UH, OF OUR AMAZING VOLUNTEERS AND WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE.
AND SO NOW WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE.
UM, THIS EVENT CAME ABOUT DUE TO MUCH MORE EDUCATION THAT NEEDED ABOUT WHEN THE PROPER TIME TO PLANT STRAWBERRIES WAS, UM, IF YOU'LL, IF, IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU GO TO ANY OF THE BIG BOX STORES IN THE SPRING, THAT'S WHEN THOSE, UM, THAT'S WHEN THOSE STRAWBERRY PLANTS ARE OUT.
AND IN ACTUALITY IN THE FALL RIGHT NOW IS WHEN WE SHOULD BE PLANTING STRAWBERRIES.
IT GIVES THEM TIME TO, UH, REALLY GET THEIR ROOT SYSTEM ESTABLISHED.
UH, THEY'RE FAIRLY COLD, HEARTY AND, UH, THEY'LL DO WELL OVER THE WINTER FOR YOU SO THAT YOU CAN BE MAKING STRAWBERRY PRESERVES BY, BY SPRINGTIME.
UH, AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE PUT TOGETHER THIS STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE LAST YEAR TO EDUCATE OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CROP.
UH, THIS YEAR'S EVENT WENT OVER, UM, EQUALLY AS WELL.
OUR STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE HAD EXTENSION SPECIALIST SPEAKERS, EXHIBITORS, UM, WE HAD STRAWBERRY PLANTS FOR PRE-ORDER AND, UH, THE NOW FAMOUS STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE CONTEST,
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WE HAD, UH, WELL OVER A HUNDRED PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE.AND WE'VE SOLD OVER 1500 BEAR ROOT, UH, STRAWBERRY PLANTS SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO OFFER THESE TYPE OF HIGH QUALITY EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS LIKE THE STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE.
AND SO WE CAN'T PULL OFF THESE TYPE OF PROGRAMS WITHOUT OUR VOLUNTEERS.
AND SO BESIDES OUR WONDERFUL BRAZORIA COUNTY MASTER GARDENERS, WE ALSO HAD SEVERAL JUDGES WHO HAD THE VERY TOUGH TASK OF JUDGING OUR STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE CONTEST.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS YOUR VERY OWN MAYOR PRO TEM.
AND SO TONIGHT WE WANT TO JUST, UH, COME HERE AND PERSONALLY THANK HIM FOR BEING A PART OF OUR EVENT AND PRESENT HIM WITH A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION FOR HIS SERVICE TO AGRILIFE EXTENSION.
AND THEN I ALSO REALLY WANTED TO MENTION, UM, HOW YOUR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT STEPPED UP.
I KNOW THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD OUR, UM, EVENT SET FOR THE CIVIC CENTER.
OBVIOUSLY DUE TO DAMAGES FROM HURRICANE BARREL, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT.
UM, AND SO YOUR PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WAS VERY ACCOMMODATING, STEPPED UP AND PROVIDED, UM, THE GYM AT THE REC CENTER FOR US TO HOLD OUR EVENT KIND OF AT THE LAST MINUTE.
AND SO WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL AND APPRECIATE, UH, APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO PRESENT THE CERTIFICATE.
AND THEN I ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UM, BROUGHT A COUPLE LITTLE GIFTS WITH ME TO SHARE WITH Y'ALL AS WELL.
I APPRECIATE Y'ALL LETTING ME, LETTING ME DO THAT.
YOU'RE, UM, SO I'LL JUST, I GUESS MAYBE I'LL JUST LEAVE SOME OF THESE GOODIES UNDER HERE AND, UM, WHOEVER WOULD LIKE ONE CAN TAKE ONE.
BUT WE'VE GOT OUR BERRY BLISS, UM, OFFICIAL RECIPE BOOK FROM THE STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE ALONG WITH A STRAWBERRY JAMBOREE PIN.
AND THEN FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE INTERESTED IN GROWING STRAWBERRIES, LIKE I SAID, WE DID, UM, SELL QUITE A, QUITE A NUMBER OF BEAR ROOT STRAWBERRY PLANTS.
AND SO THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT, UM, 16 BAGS IN HERE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TRY THEIR HAND AT GROWING STRAWBERRIES AT HOME.
WE'VE GOT DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO PLANT BEAR ROOT STRAWBERRIES, UH, AS WELL AS JUST, UM, A PUBLICATION ON HOW TO CARE FOR THEM.
SO I'LL JUST, I'LL LEAVE THOSE UNDER YOUR DESK IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU.
THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU DON'T JUST PUT 'EM IN THE GROUND ANYTIME YOU WANT WATER 'EM WATER, YEAH.
IT'S MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
I LOST THE, I LOST THE STRAWBERRY CROP THE SAME WAY.
DO Y'ALL NORMALLY HAVE A WAITING LIST TO GET IN? WE DO.
WE ASKED ABOUT 80 PEOPLE ON OUR WAIT LIST FOR OUR UPCOMING, UM, 2025 CLASS.
WE DID HOWEVER, ADD, UM, A HIGH INTENSITY TWO WEEK CLASS DURING THE SUMMER FOR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, STILL WORK FULL TIME OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.
AND THEY CAN'T MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TO A 10 OR 11 WEEK CLASS.
TRY OUR, TRY OUR HANDS AT THAT AND SEE HOW IT WORKS.
NEXT ITEM ON PRESENTATION IS ITEM TWO IS A PROCLAMATION ON NATIONAL BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
SO I HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE.
I GERALD ROSKI BY AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF CITY LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, TO HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER, 2024 AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH.
WHEREAS WHILE A CONSIDERABLE PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE IN THE FIGHT AGAINST BREAST CANCER, IT REMAINS THE MOST FREQUENTLY DIAGNOSED TYPE OF NON-KIN CANCER AND A SECOND LEADING CAUSE OF CANCER DEATH AMONGST WOMEN IN OUR COUNTRY.
AND WHEREAS UNFORTUNATELY, MANY OF US KNOW SOMEONE OR HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO HAVE OR HAVE HAD CANCER.
BUT THANKS TO EARLY DETECTION AND BETTER TREATMENTS, UH, MORTALITY RATES FOR BREAST CANCER HAVE STEADILY DE DECREASED IN THE LAST DECADE.
AND WHEREAS KNOWING, UH, WHAT MANY, UH, WHAT MAY CONTRIBUTE TO BREAST CANCER SYMPTOMS, UH, DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT ARE IMPORTANT PART OF ITS PREVENTION AS WELL AS HAVING AFFORDABLE ACCESS TO SCREENING AND EARLY DETECT DETECTION FOR ALL WOMEN.
AND THE IS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST BREAST CANCER.
WHEREAS DURING BREAST CANCER, UH, AWARENESS MONTH, WE STAND WITH OUR MOTHERS DAUGHTERS, SISTERS AND FRIENDS, AND WE
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RECOGNIZE ALL WHO HAVE JOINED, UH, JOINED THEIR LOVED ONES IN THE FIGHTING THEIR BATTLE AS WELL.NOW, THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL, UH, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, 2024 AS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS MONTH IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
THIS IS WHERE COUNSEL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR THE REGULAR AGENDA.
DOES ANYONE HAVE A DEC HAVE A CONFLICT TO DECLARE? NO, SIR.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.AGAIN, WE HAVE A LONG CONSENT AGENDA, SO BEAR WITH ME.
UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF JUNE 3RD, UH, 2024.
UH, ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSIONS MINUTES FOR KEEP.
LEGS, JACKSON, BEAUTIFUL YAK AND PARKS.
ITEM THREE IS, UH, APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF A 2024 RAM 1 50, 1500 RATHER, UH, FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WITH, UH, UPFITTING FROM, UH, DANIELSON DCJR THROUGH TIPS.
UH, CONTRACT NUMBER 2 1 0 9 0 7 NOT EXCEEDING $60,000 IS BUDGETED.
ITEM FOUR IS APPROVED, UH, A $23,000 CONTRACT, UH, AMENDMENT WITH, UH, WJE INC.
FOR CONSTRUCTION SUPPORT OF THE OLD ANGLETON ROAD BRIDGE OVER ORCHARD CREEK, UH, REPAIR PROJECT, INCREASING THE TOTAL CONTRACT, UH, AMOUNT TO $49,800 AS BUDGETED.
ITEM FIVE IS AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT, UH, SAFE STREETS AND ROADS FOR ALL.
UH, SS FOUR A GRANT, UH, FROM THE US DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION'S HIGHWAY, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION FOR $280,000 WITH THE CITY DESIGNATION DESIGNATING $70,000 AS MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE LAKE JACKSON.
UH, COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ACTION PLAN.
ITEM SIX, APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 2 4 9 6 4.
AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO ACCEPT A GRANT.
NUMBER 5 2 4 7 9 0 1 FROM THE OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR IN THE AMOUNT OF $242,259, UH, WITH NO MATCHING FUNDS FOR VEHICLE BARRIERS, BARRICADES, STEEL BARRIERS AND TRAILERS FOR THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND ITEM NUMBER SEVEN, APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 0 TO REZONE.
A THREE ACRE PORTION OF 10 ACRE OF A 10 ACRE LOT TWO OF PLANTATION VILLAGE, SECTION 14 OF THE HOPE FAM, UH, FELLOWSHIP CHURCH SITE ON AT 200 LAKE ROAD FROM B THREE INSTITUTIONAL TO B ONE, A PROFESSIONAL OFFICE BUILDING.
IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT ANY MEMBER OF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? MAYOR, I NEED TO MAKE A CORRECTION TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.
SHOULD READ OCTOBER 7TH, 2024, NOT JUNE 3RD.
AND THOSE ARE THE MINUTES THAT WERE IN YOUR PACKET.
IS ANY ANYTHING ELSE ON CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION HERE.
THE CONSENT AGENDA IS PRESENTED.
AND, UH, MOTION FROM COUNCIL AND HANYA.
AND SECONDED FROM COUNCIL ELL.
SO NOW WE'RE GONNA GO, GO ON TO,
[1. Discuss KLJB’s pilot program for downtown trash cans. – Stacey Lewis]
UH, ITEM ONE.KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFULS PILOT PROGRAM FOR DOWNTOWN TRASH CANS.
STACY, YOU WANNA TALK TO US ABOUT THIS OR IS THIS GOING TO BE TAG TEAM? TAG TEAM? ALRIGHT, COME ON.
UM, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UM, WE'D LIKE TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO TALK ABOUT A PILOT PROGRAM TO CONTROL DOWNTOWN LITTER KEEP LAKE JACKSON BEAUTIFUL.
WE'D LIKE TO REACH OUT TO OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND FIND OUT WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO USE A TRASH CAN, LIKE THE ONES YOU SEE OUTSIDE CITY HALL.
UM, THE GOAL OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM IS TO SUPPORT, UH, LITTER CONTROL LEADERSHIP AND TO BEAUTIFY DOWNTOWN.
UM, WE BRING THIS TO YOU TONIGHT FOR DISCUSSION AND GUIDANCE.
AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE A VERY SIMPLE CONCEPT TO DISCUSS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND
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THE BUSINESS OWNERS.AND IT'S BASICALLY, UH, WE FIND A BUSINESS THAT WANTS TO HAVE A TRASH.
CAN THEY GET A TRASH? CAN THEY KEEP THE TRASH? CAN THEY EMPTY THE TRASH? CAN THEY MAINTAIN IT? AND IF THEY DON'T, THE CITY TAKES IT BACK.
AND WITH THAT, UM, IT'S BASICALLY BEING HEADED UP BY STACEY HERE.
AND SHE'LL TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY READY TO PARTICIPATE.
AND SEE HOW YOU GUYS FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND WE'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, FIRST I WANNA THANK YOU.
WE, UH, THE BEAUTIFICATION COMMISSION, WE COULDN'T DO WHAT WE DO WITHOUT YOU.
AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL OVER THE PLACE ALL THE TIME, SO WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO THINK OF THINGS TO DO.
AND THE TRASH CANS WERE MY IDEA IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR NEW CIGARETTE BUTT RECYCLING PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING.
SO I FIGURED THEY WOULD GO REALLY WELL TOGETHER IN THE BUSINESSES.
I'VE ALREADY HAD FIVE BUSINESSES AGREE.
BUT I DIDN'T WANNA GO ANY FURTHER TILL I GOT YOUR BLESSING.
AND UH, SO THE FIRST TWO MONTHS I'M GOING TO, UH, BE WATCH AROUND WATCHING THEM, MAKING SURE THEY EMPTY THEM AND I'LL BE EMPTYING THE CIGARETTE BUTT FIRST.
'CAUSE WE GET TO RECYCLE THEM FOR FREE.
UM, SO RECYCLE CIGARETTE BUTTS.
THEY MAKE ALL KINDS OF STUFF OUT OF A CIGARETTE BUTT.
BENCHES, TOYS YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE.
WE JUST GOTTA BAG 'EM UP AND SEND THEM TO 'EM FOR FREE.
I MEAN, UH, PLASTIC BAGS AND STUFF.
SO, I MEAN, THAT TAKES 500 POUNDS OF GROCERY BAGS.
AND THAT'S A LOT OF GROCERY BAGS.
STACY, IS THIS THE, I KNOW AMY AND I HAD TALKED AT ONE POINT THE BIG BELLY TRASH COMPACTOR KIND OF CANS THAT WE'RE LOOKING IN, LIKE THE ONE RIGHT OUT FRONT TRASH.
SO THE REGULAR WITH Y'ALL'S LOGO ON IT.
WE DON'T WANT THEM TO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO EMPTY THEM EXCEPT TO THEM.
AND THE FIVE BUSINESSES THAT I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO HAVE AGREED TO THAT.
SO, SO I MEAN, BUT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE, IF THE BUSINESS PUTS THEIR LOGO ON THERE, THAT WAY THEY OWN THE GARBAGE CAN, BUT, OH, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER THOUGHT, I GUESS.
THEY DON'T, AND WE'RE GONNA PICK IT UP IF THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT THE SIGN NEEDS TO SAY.
IT'S KINDA LIKE THE HIGHWAY SIGNS.
BUT ANYWAY, I KNOW WE'VE DONE THIS PROGRAM BEFORE, BUT IT'S BEEN MANY, MANY YEARS IN THE EIGHTIES.
AND ACTUALLY SOME OF THOSE ARE STILL STANDING.
BUT WE JUST NEED TO, WE NEED TO RENEW THIS.
WE FEEL LIKE, I THINK THERE DEFINITELY IS A NEED DOWNTOWN.
UM, JUST APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY EVERY STREET.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS TAKING THE INITIATIVE AND THEN ALL OF THE CLEANUP THAT Y'ALL DO.
IT'S AMAZING HOW MANY PEOPLE JUST SET THEIR DRINKS AND STUFF DOWN.
BUT YOU GUYS DO A GREAT JOB OF THAT.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE'S A BIG INTEREST IN THIS OF PURSUING, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S GRANT MONEY OUT THERE FOR THOSE, THEY'RE CALLED BIG BELLY TRASH CANS.
AND THEY'RE LIKE COMPACTING KIND OF TRASH CANS.
YEAH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THOSE.
SO YEAH, WE LOOKED, WE LOOKED AT 'EM A WHILE BACK, I GUESS AROUND MEGAN WAS, WAS AROUND.
WE LOOKED AT 'EM AND THE RIGHT.
IT'S JUST THE PRICE WAS JUST SO HUGE THAT WE, THE WAY COULD HAVE WORKED AND MAINTAINING, MAINTAINING THEM WAS THE QUESTION.
BUT I KNOW THAT THIS GRANT MONEY TO ACTUALLY GET THEM.
SO THAT'S A, BUT I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.
AND SO, I MEAN, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD TRY THIS AND SEE HOW IT WORKS, UM, I THINK IT'LL WORK.
WELL THE THING IS, IS GETTING OWNERSHIP BECAUSE I'M RIGHT DOWNTOWN.
IT'S GETTING OWNERSHIP FROM THE BUSINESSES TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF IT TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT RESOURCES INTO EMPTYING THE TRASH CANS AND STUFF.
WILL THERE BE ANYTHING SIGNED? YOU SIGNED THIS, HERE'S OUR AGREEMENT PRIOR TO HERE'S YOUR TRASH CAN.
AND UM, WE ALSO, UH, THE COMMISSION ALSO DISCUSSED HAVING BASICALLY INSTRUCTIONS IN ADDITION TO THE AGREEMENT SO THAT IF THEY HAVE A TURNOVER IN STAFF, THERE'S ALWAYS A VERY SIMPLE DOCUMENT THAT EXPLAINS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING WITH THAT TRASH CAN IN THE CIGARETTE BAG IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE EMPTYING IT.
AND THERE'S A, THERE'S AN OUT CLAUSE AS WELL.
THEY CAN CALL US AND SAY, PLEASE TAKE YOUR CAR TRASH CAN BACK.
ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT HAVING A LOGO ON IT THOUGH, I KNOW IT'S, IT IS, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EMPTY IT AND IF THEY DON'T FOLLOW IT, THE TRASH CAN'S GONNA GO AWAY.
BUT I HATE TO NOT PUT LOGOS ON THEM BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S, UH, THOSE LOGOS LOOK NICE.
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HANDS, I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT LOGO ONE.I JUST CAUTIONED THE GROUP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD JUST GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THE CITY'S GOING TO EMPTY 'EM AND THERE'S JUST RIGHT NO WAY.
THAT WAS THE ONLY, THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON NOT TO.
IF THEY'RE NOT GONNA EMPTY IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA EMPTY IT IN THAT CASE, THEY'RE GONNA LOSE THE TRASH CAN.
SO I MEAN, WE ARE COUNTING ON THEM GROWNUP FOLKS TO BE ABLE, ABLE TO KEEP THOSE EMPTY.
AND I THINK EXCEPT FOR ALSO COUNTING ON GROWNUP FOLKS TO NOT PUT THEIR TRASH IN THE STREET AND THEY STILL DO THAT.
CHARLIE CHIPPER STICKERS ON WHAT? PAINT STICKERS ON THE CIGARETTE? YEAH.
WE ARE PUTTING 'EM ON THE CIGARETTE.
BUT, WELL, WE'RE TRYING TO MICROMANAGE ALL'S PROGRAMS. SO WILL THEY BE LIKE RID SIMILAR RIGIDLY MOUNTED TO THE GROUND AT ALL OR ARE THEY JUST LIKE FREE FLOATING? NO, THEY WON'T BE ELABORATE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, YEAH, I'LL GO, GO CHECK IT OUT.
SO WE ALWAYS HAVE, WE ALREADY HAVE THESE CANS OR ARE WE GONNA HAVE TO PURCHASE CANS? YOU WILL HAVE TO PURCHASE THEM, BUT WE HAVE THE CIGARETTE ONES.
IS THAT, THAT'S ALREADY BUDGETED FOR, IS THAT FROM THE KLJB BUDGET OR? MM-HMM.
WELL WE'RE TRYING TO SPIN EVERY PENNY.
WE HAVE
I DON'T, I CAN'T RECALL ANYBODY EVER STEALING A CITY GARBAGE CAN.
THEY WERE VERY POPULAR WHEN THEY HAD THE ROLL OFF WINDS.
NOT EASILY BLOWN AWAY BY HURRICANES OR ANY OF MOVE.
ARE THEY EASILY MOVED TO THAT? THAT SORT OF THING.
THAT'S JUST WHAT I WAS THINKING.
WE'VE HAD SOME FROM I'LL GO CHECK THEM OUT.
YEAH, I'LL GO, I'M GONNA GO RIGHT AFTER THIS AND CHECK IT OUT.
SO IT'S, THE ITEM IS TO DISCUSS.
SO, UH, THERE'S, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S ANYBODY THAT'S SAYING DON'T DO IT.
SO, UM, SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE BEHIND IT.
GO FORWARD AND DO GREAT THINGS.
AND, UM, I'LL WORK WITH SHERRY TO GET SOMETHING DRAFTED THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.
HEY, IF SHERRY'S OKAY WITH IT, SHOW YOU THE CIGARETTE, BUT NINE YEARS OLD.
[2. Discuss stray cats in the community. – Paul Kibodeaux]
MOVE ON TO I TWO, UH, UH, DISCUSS, UH, STRAY CATS AND THE COMMUNITY.THIS IS, UH, UH, POLICE CHIEF IS COMING BACK TO US BECAUSE AT THE LAST TIME OF DISCUSSION WE ASKED HIM TO GO AND, UH, TALK TO HIS, UH, COUNTERPARTS OUT IN OTHER AREAS AND SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES, COMMUNITIES, WHAT'S, WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING.
TO JUST, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST INFORMATIONAL, UH, NO ACTION TONIGHT ON IT.
SO IN RESPONSE TO MS. NUGENT COMING BEFORE COUNSEL LAST MEETING, UH, A LOT OF CREDIT TO MS. ANA FOR HER RESEARCH, UM, IN LOCAL CITIES, BUT CITIES AWAY FROM LAKE JACKSON AS WELL.
AND REALLY, I THINK IN SUMMARY, THAT INFORMATION JUST SHOWS AND, AND YOU HAVE ALL THAT IN YOUR PACKET, UH, THAT WERE, WERE SIMILAR IN A LOT OF OUR ORDINANCES EXCEPT FOR THE EXCLUSION OF CATS IN THOSE ORDINANCES, UH, WHERE WE EXCLUDE THEM.
UH, THOSE CITIES DON'T ANGLETON, FREEPORT, UH, ALVIN, UM, THEY INCLUDE THE, UH, CATS IN THEIR AT LARGE AND THEIR, UM, NUISANCE, UH, CAUSE DAMAGE, UH, SUCH AS OURS HOUSE.
DO YOU KNOW IF SOME OF THOSE ORDINANCE, IF THEY STATE, UH, THAT LIKE CATS CAN'T OR ANY ANIMAL CAN'T BE AT LARGE, OR THAT YOU, OR THEY COULD TAKE IT FURTHER THAT YOU, IT'S A A AGAINST CITY ORDINANCE TO ENABLE YES.
SO CAN I JUST SAY I READ THROUGH EACH OF THESE CITIES YEAH.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANY DIRECTION FOR STAFF.
'CAUSE ONE OF THEM ON THERE, THERE WERE LIKE THREE DIFFERENT, LIKE CITY OF ALVIN, CITY OF MANVILLE, AND THEN IT WAS CITY OF PAR LAND THAT ADDRESSES THAT.
CREATING AN ATTRACTIVE ENVIRONMENT.
RIGHT? SO PUTTING OUT BEDS, WE HAVE THAT.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
SO YEAH, I THINK WE, WE INCLUDED THAT.
IF YOU GO FORWARD TO OUR PARTICULAR ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT FOR FEED FOR ANIMALS.
MY QUESTION IS, IS WHY DO WE EXCLUDE CATS? I MEAN, LIKE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF ALVIN'S, THE, JUST THE ENTIRE SECTION ON THERE, PAUL, DID THEY TALK ABOUT WHETHER THEY ENFORCED THESE, IF THEY'RE WORKING OR NOT? UH, SO I HAVE SOME NOTES THERE.
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COMMENTS ARE, SURE IT'S DIFFICULT.IT'S MORE DIFFICULT WITH CATS THAN IT IS FOR DOGS.
UH, IT DOES GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IN THOSE CASES.
AND IN MS. NUGENT'S CASE PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, HELPFUL.
HELPFUL IF WE COULD HAVE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO, AND COULD HAVE CAPTURED, UH, AN ANIMAL THAT WAS DOING DAMAGE.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TODAY IS EVERYBODY HAS A CAMERA, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S EASY TO SEE WHICH CAT BELONG WHERE DOING THE DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLES AND PROPERTY DAMAGE.
SO IT'S EASIER TO NOT SAY, WELL, WHOSE CAT DID THIS? YOU KNOW? SO IT'S EASIER TO ENFORCE THAT EASIER THAN IT USED TO BE, FOR SURE.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT RIGHT NOW.
YOUR CAT KNOWS WHERE ALL THE CAMERAS ARE
I'M JUST ASKING, CAN WE ADD SOMETHING ABOUT THIS AND INCLUDE CATS INTO IT? I MEAN, IT GIVES IN OPPORTUNITIES LIKE WITH MS. NUGENT, UM, FERAL CATS ARE GONNA MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT OBVIOUSLY, BUT IN SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHOSE CAT IS, AND WE'VE TALKED QUITE A BIT WITH SPCA ABOUT TRYING TO GET ON THE FRONT END OF THE PROBLEM OF ALL THE STRAY ANIMALS.
I MEAN, YOU COULD TAKE OUT EXCLUDING IN THIS SITUATION AND THAT COULD BE HELPFUL IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IN THIS SITUATION, I THOUGHT SHE HAD SAID THAT THE OWNER SAID IT WASN'T HIS CAT.
AND SO, AND THEN THEY TRIED TO, SHE TRIED TO HELP US AND TRIED.
BUT IF THERE'S EVEN ONE SITUATION WHERE IT'S HELPFUL, WHY WOULDN'T WE INCLUDE THIS? RIGHT.
WHAT WOULD DOES IT HURT TO INCLUDE IF YOU OWN A PET, TAKE CARE OF IT, KEEP IT ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY? YEAH.
I MEAN, THAT'S ALL WE'RE SAYING.
AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW WE JUST WANT TO, UH, LET THE CHIEF MAKE HIS PRESENTATION.
BUT I, I WILL ADD THAT, THAT IT ALL SOUNDS SIMPLE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE, YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UM, IF YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU TAKE, AND YOU TAKE THE STEP OF SAYING, OKAY, UH, CATS CAN'T RUN, JUST LIKE DOGS CAN'T RUN AROUND IN NEIGHBORHOODS.
UM, THE REASON WHY YOU HAVE, UH, A TRAP, NEUTER AND RELEASE PROGRAM IS BECAUSE THERE'S, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST STATING FACTS, I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING OR AGAINST ANYTHING, JUST STATING FACTS IS THAT THERE IS, UH, DATA THAT, THAT SUPPORTS THAT THE REASON WHY THOSE PROGRAMS WORK IS BECAUSE IF YOU TAKE A, A CAT OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD OR AN ENVIRONMENT, AN AREA IS THAT ANOTHER CAT WILL REPLACE IT.
SO THE REASON WHY YOU DO THE TRAP NEUTER RELEASE IS BECAUSE YOU TAKE THAT ANIMAL OUT, YOU MAKE IT TO WHERE IT CAN'T REPRODUCE, YOU PUT IT BACK IN THERE AND IT'S NOT REPLACED BY AN ANIMAL THAT IS CAN REPRODUCE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY THOSE PROGRAMS HAVE MORE SUCCESS THAN JUST TAKING A CAT OFF THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY THAT AS SOON AS YOU TAKE A CAT OFF A STREET, ANOTHER CAT WILL REPLACE IT.
IF IT'S AVAILABLE, I TAKE IT OFF THE STREET, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH IT? WELL, THAT'S THE OTHER THING IS WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH IT? NO, I THINK THAT'S A, I THINK THE TRAP NEUTER RELEASE IS ALSO GOOD.
DIDN'T WE DISCUSS THIS YEARS AGO? YEAH, WE DID.
AND, AND, AND, AND WHAT HAPPENED TO IT? SPCA HAS HAS INTRODUCED IT IN, UH, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX LAST, WE TALKED TO THEM RECENTLY AND THEIR SUCCESS, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT BRANCHING THAT OUT INTO NEIGHBORHOODS IS, OPENS UP A WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL OF, UH, COMPLEXITY.
IT'S EASIER TO MANAGE IT AT LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAN IT IS BECAUSE FOR THOSE PROGRAMS TO WORK AND BE SUCCESSFUL, AS REALISTICALLY AS IS THAT IF YOU SET THAT UP IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A, A NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOMEONE HAS TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THAT COLONY.
AND TAKING OWNERSHIP MEANS IS IS THAT IF ANOTHER STRAY CAT COMES INTO THE, INTO THE COLONY, THEY TRAP IT, THEY GET IT SPAYED, NEUTERED, AND THEY BRING IT BACK IN AND THAT THE ANIMALS ARE TRAPPED IN THEIR RABIES AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO IT BECOMES A BIG, BIG ISSUE.
SO AGAIN, THERE IS NO SIMPLE SOLUTION TO ANY OF THIS STUFF.
AND THE ONE REASON WHY I THINK THE ONE REASON WHY CATS HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED IN THE PAST IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE CALL CATS AS BEING DOMESTICATED, WE ALL KNOW THAT CATS WILL DO THEIR OWN THING.
THEY, IF THEY WANT TO COME TO YOU, THEY'LL COME TO YOU.
IF THEY DON'T WANT TO COME TO YOU, THEY WON'T.
A DOG, YOU CAN TEACH IT TO COME TO YOU JUST BY WHISTLING OR WHATEVER TYPE OF STUFF.
A CAT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED.
YOU CAN'T KEEP A CAT IN A FENCED YARD.
AND YES, I'VE HAD RESIDENTS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION CALLED
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UP AND SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, I HAD A, YOU KNOW, I HAD A BROTHER THAT HAD A CAT THAT, BUT HE LIVED IN CHICAGO AND WHEN HE TOOK THE CAT OUT OF HIS APARTMENT, HIS HIGH RISE APARTMENT, HE HAD IT ON A LEASH TO WALK IT AROUND.SO YES, ANY ANIMAL CAN BE PUT ON IN A LEASH AND TAKEN OUT AND, AND WALKED.
BUT, UH, IT'S DOING, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT'S JUST, AGAIN, IT'S YOU, IT'S WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD IF WE WANNA DO ANYTHING GOING FORWARD ON THIS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, LET'S LET, AND I'VE TALKED WAY TOO MUCH.
LET'S LET PAUL TALK, FINISH THIS PIECE.
WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE MAJORITY OF IT IS THE RESEARCH THAT WE CAME UP WITH FROM THE DIFFERENT CITIES.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A COMPARISON.
I KNOW YOU SAID YOU, YOU, UH, LOOKED OVER THIS ALREADY.
UH, KIND OF WHAT THE RESEARCH AT AT LEAST SHOWED ME IS I DON'T, CAN'T TELL YOU LOOKING FORWARD WHAT THE SUCCESS RATE WOULD BE.
UH, I LOOK AT IT AND, UH, KINDA LIKE WITH MS. NUGENT'S ISSUE, ANY ANIMAL, REGARDLESS IF A RACCOON IS OUT AND IT'S, WE DON'T NORMALLY MESS WITH 'EM UNLESS THEY'RE DOING SOME DAMAGE.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY REALLY IN THE CASE TO, TO PREVENT THAT.
UH, SOME PARTICULAR ANIMALS MAY DO DAMAGE INADVERTENTLY AND SOME MAY NOT.
BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, LIKE I SAID, OUR ORDINANCES ARE, ARE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH THAT ONE EXCEPTION.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE, THE POSSIBILITY, AND I MENTIONED IT LAST TIME WE TALKED, WAS, UH, TO LOOK AT IF WE COULD FASHION A PART OF AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS OF AN IF AN AN ANIMAL, BE IT A CAT DOG OR WHATEVER, UH, BECOMES A DESTRUCTS PRIVATE PROPERTY.
IS THAT, THAT, THAT THAT ANIMAL COULD BE CONSIDERED A DESTRUCTIVE ANIMAL AND THEN THAT WOULD GIVE THE POLICE THE, THE AUTHORITY TO BE ABLE TO GO TRAP THAT ANIMAL.
THE PROBLEM IS, AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO IS IF, IF THE STORY IS THAT ANIMAL THAT IS DOING THAT IS A YELLOW CALICO OR A CALICO CAT, THERE MAY BE TWO OF THOSE.
AND ONE OF 'EM IS THE NICEST THING IN THE WORLD AND BE EASY TO CATCH.
AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE ONE THAT'S DOING THE DAMAGE AND IT'S HARD TO CATCH.
SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S, AGAIN, CATCHING THE CULPRIT IS NOT GONNA BE AN EASY, EASY THING TO DO.
UM, BUT ANYWAY, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAD PAUL ON THIS? NO, SIR.
AND ANNA AND YOU GUYS FOR DOING THE RESEARCH AND PROVIDING US THE DATA, BUT WE ARE NOT ANY CLOSER TO THE, WE WERE LAST WEEK, SO THE LAST WE SO NO, THE OTHER THING, WE JUST KNOW THAT OTHER CITIES DO HAVE, UH, CATS AS THE SAME CATEGORY, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ANY MORE SUCCESSFUL OTHER THAN THEY HAVE IT IN THAT CA IN HAVE 'EM IN THERE.
IT IS JUST THAT WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN CONTROLLING THE CAT POPULATION.
BUT WHAT IT DOES IS IT, AGAIN, IN WRITING PER THE CITY ORDINANCE GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF TEETH.
IF, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF I KNOW IT'S MY CAT'S OVER THERE TEARING UP MATT'S PATIO FURNITURE AND HE KNOWS IT'S MINE AND I KNOW IT'S MINE, BUT WE'VE EXCLUDED, I MEAN, IT, IT ALMOST LIKE RELEASES YOU OF RESPONSIBILITY.
AND I KNOW IT SAYS ANIMALS, BUT WHY WOULD WE EXCLUDE CATS? WHY NOT JUST INCLUDE CATS? I MEAN, I THOUGHT ALVIN'S WAS WRITTEN WONDERFULLY.
ALL ANIMALS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY LEASH RESTRICTION WITHOUT A FENCE AND, AND NONE OF THAT IS GONNA ADDRESS YOUR FERAL CATS.
IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT COMPLEX ISSUE.
BUT THIS DOES ADDRESS PEOPLE OWNING PETS AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR 'EM.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT, THAT TAKES CARE OF THE PERSON THAT HAS A, AN INDOOR CAT THAT LETS THEIR CAT OUT OCCASIONALLY.
UH, BUT AG BUT AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE OVERWHELMING ISSUE.
THE OVERWHELMING ISSUE IS, IS THE OUTDOOR CAT, THE, THE CAT THAT PEOPLE, FOR WHATEVER REASON DON'T BRING IT INTO THEIR HOME.
THEY JUST LEAVE IT OUTSIDE AND THEY PUT A CAN OF TUNA FISH OUT, UH, FOR IT AND, UH, LET IT ROAM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THEY, THEY, THEY, AND THEY THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE.
AND UH, SO I HAVE ONE, UH, RESIDENT THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS.
WE HAVE, UH, THANKS FOR INVITING.
UH, SALLY ASKED US THIS MORNING, I CAME HERE TO COMPLAIN.
THERE ARE, UH, THERE USED TO BE ABOUT THREE CATS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, A STREET CAT.
AND ONE OF OUR NEIGHBOR IS FEEDING ALSO.
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WITHIN A YEAR, I THINK WE HAVE NINE RIGHT NOW.SO IT IS ALL, I THINK IN THAT CORNER OF SIX TO CRANBERRY COURT, I MEAN, WHERE I LIVE IN, SO, UH, IN THAT CORNER, THREE OR FOUR, THEY'RE GOING BACKYARD, FRONT YARD.
SO I HAD TO SHUT DOWN ALL THE TIMES.
EVEN IF I, WHEN I DO THE MOWING OR SOMETHING, I TO SHUT DOWN RIGHT.
I THINK THE PROBLEM, UH, I THINK IS UH, UH, MULTIPLICATIONS BECAUSE THEN THESE NINE CATS THEY'LL BREED AGAIN.
SO I I'M, UH, I WONDER IT'LL BE BY NEXT YEAR IT'D BE 25 OR SO IF, IF YOU DON'T CONTROL SOMETHING AND THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN DO WELL THERE, THERE'LL BE AS MANY CATS THAT CAN BE SUPPORTED BY THE ENVIRONMENT THEY LIVE IN.
SO IF THERE'S FOOD AND SHELTER, THERE WILL BE MORE AND MORE CATS.
IF THERE'S NOT FOOD AND SHELTER, THERE'LL BE LESS CATS.
ONE OF OUR NEIGHBOR IS FEEDING THEM AND ALSO MADE A LITTLE HOUSE KIND OF.
BUT SHERRY, YOU'RE SAYING IN OUR ORDINANCE ALREADY THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED.
THEY CAN DO IT FOR THEIR OWN CAT.
THEY CAN DO IT FOR THEIR OWN CAT.
THEY CAN DO IT FOR THEIR CATS.
BUT, UM, IF THEY SAY THEY'RE CATS, WHEN GRANDMA NEEDS TO SEE ALL THE RABIES CERTIFICATES, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO ONE OF OUR NEIGHBOR, THEY CAME UP WITH THREE IT GIVE US FOR A WHILE IS, OKAY, NOW IT'S, IT'S GROWING.
OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T COME LIKE THAT AGAIN.
IF WE, IF WE USE THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE TODAY, IF THINKING THIS THROUGH YOUR SITUATION HERE IS THAT, UH, IF THAT ONE RESIDENT IS, IS FEEDING, PUTTING FOOD OUT FOR NINE CATS, THEN WE COULD GO TO 'EM, SAY, ARE THESE YOUR CATS? AND IF THEY SAY NO, OKAY, YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE X, Y, Z 'CAUSE YOU'RE FEEDING A STRAY ANIMAL.
UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY THAT IT IS THEIR ANIMALS, THEN LIKE SHERRY SAYS, WELL THEN SHOW ME YOUR, THAT YOU HAVE RABIES CERTIFICATES ON ALL THESE ANIMALS.
THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO ADDRESS IT.
SO WHEN WE SAY EXCLUDING CATS, WE'RE NOT EXCLUDING THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO HAVE SHOTS.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE SHOTS AND STUFF.
THERE IS, THERE IS A WAY TO AP TO APPROACH THIS.
AGAIN, NONE OF THE WAYS TO GO APPROACH IT ARE NOT GONNA BE, ARE NOT GONNA GO FORWARD WITHOUT SOME COMMENTS FROM THE COMM FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND SO THERE IS NO, THERE IS NO EASY SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM.
THAT'S WHY WE GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS.
WAS SHE NOTIFIED THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA TODAY? NO, BUT WHY WOULD WE, I MEAN, IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR ANYBODY TO LOOK AT.
I MEAN, WE LIKE PEOPLE, I MEAN, I MEAN SHE WAS SPECIFIC TO HER, UH, HER REQUEST.
SO I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT WE WOULD'VE NOTIFIED HER THAT THIS ITEM IS BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR HER TO, UH, BE PRESENT AND, UH, YEAH.
BUT LISTENING TO ALL THIS STUFF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
SO, AND I GUESS I'M STILL JUST NOT GETTING A GOOD SENSE OF WHY WOULD WE WOULD EXCLUDE CATS SPECIFICALLY IN OUR ORDINANCE.
THE THING THAT BOTHERS ME, SO OUR DESTRUCTIVE ORDINANCE IS ONLY FOR DOGS.
BUT JUST FOR THE, THE IDEA OF AT LARGE IS WHAT YOU SAID AND THE AT LARGE IS 'CAUSE YOU, I THINK THE ONLY REASON WHY I WAS, IT'S JUST HARD IS THAT IT'S THAT IT'S DIFFICULT TO, TO CORRAL CATS.
IT'S EASIER TO CORRAL DOGS THAN IT IS TO CORRAL CATS.
YOU CAN KEEP A DOG IN A YARD, YOU CAN'T KEEP A, A CAT IN A YARD.
AND BUT DOGS, THAT'S WHY IT'S EXCLUDED.
JUST BECAUSE JUST LOOKING AT, JUST LOOKING AT THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THE ORDINANCE, I GUESS IS WHAT IT, I WOULD THINK THAT THE ONLY REASON WOULD MAKE ANY KIND OF REASONABLE REASON WHY YOU WOULD, WOULDN'T INCLUDE CATS.
HONESTLY, NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE, BUT THAT, ALL THAT SAYS TO ME IS THAT WE'RE ONLY GONNA PICK THE EASY THINGS TO ENFORCE.
UH, HOW WOULD YOU, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE IT? HOW WOULD YOU, WHAT PLAN DO YOU HAVE? SO LOOKING AGAIN AT THESE, READING THROUGH THESE, RIGHT? I KIND OF LOOKED AT, AND SHERRY SAID SOME OF IT'S ALREADY COVERED IN OURS AND WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT WITH THE SPCA PEOPLE, RIGHT.
AND THE SHELTERS ARE OVERWHELMED.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO TAKE THESE ANIMALS.
WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM ON THE FRONT END AND NOT ALWAYS ON THE BACK END, WHICH IS PUT 'EM IN A SHELTER.
SO ANYTHING THAT I FEEL LIKE THAT WE CAN ADD TO OUR ORDINANCE, WHETHER IT IS OF SOMEBODY IS FEEDING THE STRAYS OR SHE SAYS IT'S HERS, THEN YOU NEED TO KEEP 'EM ON YOUR PROPERTY.
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NEED TO BE ABLE TO JUST GO TO THAT PERSON AND SAY THAT, BUT WE HAVE NOTHING.WE HAVE A SPECIFIC, YOU'RE EXCLUDED AND IT DOESN'T HURT TO ADD THAT IN THERE.
WELL WHAT, WHAT WOULD YOU COME UP? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT IDEA DO YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN IDEA TO DO SOMETHING.
HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT TO ADD THIS? I THINK, I THINK THE TRAP AND NEUTER THING IS, IS GOOD BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF SUCCESS IN THE APARTMENTS WITH IT.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A WHOLE CAN OF WORMS THOUGH.
BUT AGAIN, WHY WOULD WE EXCLUDE CATS? BUT THE, THE THING IS THOUGH, IS THAT IF YOU, IF YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE TRAP NEUTER, IF WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD, YOU COULDN'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE.
YOU COULDN'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE ANY LONGER THAT, THAT SAID THAT YOU COULD NOT ALLOW CATS TO ROAM.
BECAUSE TRAP NEUTER IS SPECIFICALLY FOR ANIMALS, FOR THOSE ANIMALS TO COME BACK INTO NEIGHBORHOODS AND ROAM.
PEOPLE WHO GO AND ADOPT A CAT FROM THE SPCA AND THEY'LL LET IT ROAM THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK THE, I THINK THE, THE, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT, TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE I UNDERSTAND, BUT A A, A CAT, A CAT ROAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, REGARDLESS OF IT'S A FERAL CAT OR A PERSONAL CAT IS STILL A CAT ROAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GETTING INTO MY FLYER BED AND STINKING IT UP.
SO, BUT WHAT YOU'VE DONE BY ADDING SOME LANGUAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE IS YOU'VE AT LEAST BEEN ABLE TO ADDRESS A PERCENTAGE OF IT, EVEN IF IT'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE VERSUS JUST SAYING, THIS IS TOO HARD, WE'RE NOT GONNA ADDRESS IT.
WELL, WELL I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE NOT ADDRESSING IT, THOUGH.
WE DO HAVE, WE DO HAVE ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT.
IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED TO GO ENFORCE THOSE, THOSE ORDINANCES WE HAVE IN THE BOOKS.
AGAIN, THE, THE DEAL ABOUT FEEDING, IF IT'S AN, IF AN OUT, IF IT'S AN OUTDOOR CAT, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU'RE FEEDING, IT'S AN OUTDOOR CAT AND YOU'RE FEEDING IT AND WE GET A COMPLAINT THAT THIS OUTDOOR CAT IS CREATING A PROBLEM AND IT'S BEING FED AT THAT NEIGHBOR, THEN WE GO KNOCK ON THEIR DOOR AND SAID, OKAY, IS THIS CAT YOURS? OKAY.
AND IF IT IS, THEN SHOW US THAT.
SHOW US THAT YOU'RE TAKING CARE OF IT.
SHOW YOU KNOW, ALL THE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THE RABIES SHOTS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THE OTHER IDEA IS AS IF IT'S NOT YOURS, WELL THEN YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE FEEDING AN ANIMAL, YOU'RE ENABLING AN ANIMAL TO BE AS STRAY.
UH, IT'S, AND YES, YOU COULD TAKE THE OTHER STEP OF SAYING THAT, UH, ADDING, ADDING CATS TO THE, I DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM.
THE ONLY THING IS I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ADDING IT BACK OTHER THAN MY PROBLEM IS, IS THE ENFORCEMENT OF IT.
BUT IT GIVES YOU MORE TEETH TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT.
BUT I'M SAYING, BUT I'M SAYING WE HAVE PLENTY OF ITEM, PLENTY OF WAYS SHE'LL FORCE IT TODAY.
HEY CHIEF, OTHER THAN MS. NUGENT, HOW MANY OTHER COMPLAINTS HAVE, HAVE WE RECEIVED? DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER, BUT ALL WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS THINGS OUR A CO OFFICERS HANDLE DAILY, UH, COMPLAINTS SUCH AS THIS FOR DAMAGE, UH, COMPLAINTS ABOUT FEEDING, UH, THE ANIMALS, ALL KIND OF ANIMALS AND CATS.
SO MAYBE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT I'M ASKING THEN IS DO THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS FEEL LIKE THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH SUPPORT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM WITHIN REASON? DO THEY HAVE THE TOOLS THEY NEED? WOULD, WOULD THIS HELP OR HURT OR NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER? 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA BEAT IT TO DEATH.
I I THINK YOU COULD QUESTION WHETHER THEY HAVE THE TIME AND, AND ENOUGH FOLKS TO GET TO IT, BUT REALLY DON'T.
UH, CERTAINLY I SEE IN, IN SPECIFIC INCIDENTS WHERE IT WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO AT LEAST HAVE A RULE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA PICK IT UP.
YOU CAN EITHER COME CLAIM AND SAY IT'S YOURS OR CLAIM IT'S NOT.
AND THERE'S A PROCESS FOR BOTH DIRECTIONS.
UM, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT KNOWING FOR SURE WHAT SUCCESS THEY'VE HAD WITH THAT OR IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, IF WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD, WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO ENFORCE IT, WHETHER IT'S ENFORCEABLE OR NOT.
WE'LL SEE WHEN THEY'RE RIDING DOWN THE STREETS AND THERE AND THEY SEE A CAT RUN ACROSS THE STREET, DO THEY TRY TO PICK IT UP? OH NO.
THAT'S BUT, BUT WHEN THEY DO HAVE TO PICK IT UP, IT WOULD BE NICE FOR THEM TO HAVE SOME BACKUP TO SAY, THIS IS WHY WE'RE PICKING IT UP.
WELL, WHAT, WHAT IS THE TOOL? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU.
THE TOOL IS, THE TOOL IS TO UPDATE OUR ORDINANCE IS ALL, IS THE, TO NOT ALLOW, WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE GONNA SAY? THAT YOU CAN'T ALLOW ANY ANIMAL YEAH.
TO RUN IT, RUN, RUN THE, I THINK THIS IS GREAT.
I THINK IT SHOULD SAY NO OWNER OR KEEPER OF ANY ANIMAL SHALL PERMIT OR ALLOW ANY SUCH ANIMAL TO RUN IT LARGE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE CITY.
ALL ANIMALS SHALL BE CONTROLLED BY LEASH RESTRICTION WITHIN OFFENSE OR BUY ENCLOSURE WITHIN A VEHICLE OR CONTAINER.
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VERY GOOD.THAT'S, YOU HAD A COMPLAINT AND YOU GOT A WAY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ALL ALONG.
I MEAN, WE CAN ALL COMPLAIN, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO AND SO YOU GOT A PLAN.
AND AGAIN, IT, THE, THE, OF COURSE THEY ALSO DO MANDATORY MICROCHIP.
THE DEAL IS LIKE YOU JUST, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS GETTING AT THE ROOT CAUSE ON THE FRONT END OF IT AND ADDING THIS TO THE ORDINANCE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING TOWARD GETTING TOWARD THE ROOT CAUSE.
NO, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROJECT.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THE TRAP, NTER RELEASE PROGRAM IS THE ONLY REASON WHY IT WORKS IS BECAUSE CATS ARE GOING TO BREED.
THEY BREED ON A HIGH FREQUENCY AND THEY'RE GOING TO, AS LONG AS THERE IS FOOD AND SHELTER, THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND SO JUST AGAIN, UH, MANY YEARS AGO WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH STRAY CATS DOWNTOWN.
AND THE REASON WHY WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH STRAY CATS DOWNTOWN WAS, IS BECAUSE BUSINESS OWNERS SAW A CAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND THEY DECIDED, WELL, I'LL PUT A CAN OF TUNA FISH OUT THERE AND FEED THE CAT IN THE BACKYARD BEHIND THE SHOP.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW IS, IS THAT WELL WORD GETS AROUND AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT CATS EVERYWHERE DOWNTOWN AND THEN WE GET, CAN PUT CALLS ABOUT DOWNTOWN IS OVERRUN WITH CATS.
THE DEAL IS, IS STOP FEEDING THEM AND THEY WON'T COME TO DOWNTOWN.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY A COMPLEX ISSUE.
IT'S DEFINITELY, THERE'S A LOT MORE WORK TO BE DONE TO IT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUR ORDINANCE UPDATED TO STATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
WELL, I MEAN, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE SHERRY UH, FASHION IT, WE CAN BRING IT BACK AND TALK ABOUT IT.
BRING US BACK AN ORDINANCE, A DRAFT ORDINANCE WITH THAT IN THERE AND WE CAN, UH, DISCUSS IT AND UH, AND WE CAN CALL BACK, UH, SORRY, THE PAST, STRIKE THIS, THE PAST INDIVIDUAL INTO THE EARTH.
NOW I THINK THIS IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION.
I, I JUST, I FIND MYSELF WONDERING WHAT, BECAUSE I'M A, I'M A, I'M A FAN OF NARROWLY TAILORING THINGS LIKE THIS TO ADDRESS SPECIFIC PROBLEMS. SO IS IT THE PROBLEM THAT THE CATS OUT IN THE YARD WITHOUT A LEASH? OR IS IT NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL IT GETS ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CAR? RIGHT.
SO LIKE IN ROUND ROCK, THE CATS ARE EXEMPT FROM LEASH LAWS, BUT AS SOON AS THE CAT GOES ONTO YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, IT'S A NUISANCE.
SO IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY THAT THE, THE CAT DOESN'T HAVE A LEASH.
WE ALL SEEM TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT DOING DAMAGE TO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE 10 CATS IF THEY ALL JUST SIT IN THE FRONT YARD AND DON'T DO NOTHING, THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE BIG ENOUGH YARD OR YEAH.
OR WHATEVER THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IN MY MIND ISN'T DOGS EVEN OR CATS OFF THEIR LEASHES.
IT'S WHEN THEY ATTACK LITTLE KIDS.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, AND YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL IT'S THERE.
BUT IF IT'S ON ITS OWN PROPERTY AND DOING ITS OWN THING AND LIKE MY LITTLE DOG WOULD NEVER, DOESN'T GO OFF PROPERTY 'CAUSE IT'S TOO SKITTISH TO GO ANYWHERE REALLY.
SO IF I HAVE IT IN THE FRONT YARD WITHOUT A LEASH, MAYBE NOT A PROBLEM.
'CAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO MM-HMM.
AND SO IF YOU COULD NARROWLY TAILOR IT TO WHAT THE ACTUAL PROBLEM IS INSTEAD.
WELL THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY GENERALLY THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING WITH, WITH AN ORDINANCE OF JUST CHANGING ORDINANCES AND SAYING IT'S A DESTRUCTIVE ANIMAL.
THAT'S DESTRUCTING PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
THEN THAT COULD BE THAT THEY'RE POOPING IN YOUR FLYERS, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S FLOWER BED OR THAT THEY'RE SCRATCHING SOMEBODY'S, UH, UPHOLSTERY ON THEIR OUTDOOR FURNITURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT ON THEIR VEHICLES.
BUT, UH, TO ME THAT'S MORE REALISTIC, UH, THAN, UH, AND MORE MANAGEABLE THAN THE OTHER.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, WELL I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THEN.
'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M REFERRING TO IS IF YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANIMAL AND YOU TO STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY.
AND THAT IS A MUCH MORE NARROWER APPROACH.
AND IT DOES, UH, PINPOINT THE ISSUE.
IT'S NOT 'CAUSE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOG AND CATS, UH, LOOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE DOGS TEND TO BITE, UH, NOT ALL OF THEM.
BUT THAT'S THE ISSUE WE HAVE WHEN DOGS RUN FREE.
THEY CHASE, THEY CHASE CARS, THEY CHASE PEOPLE ON BIKES AND OF COURSE THE MAJORITY OF OUR, OUR BIKE CASES AND WE INVESTIGATE EVERY ONE OF THEM ARE DOGS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY WORRY ABOUT THAT WITH A CAT STROLLING DOWN THE STREET.
UH, BUT THE, THE CALLS ARE NARROWLY FOCUSED TO DESTRUCTION.
SIR, IS THERE ANYTHING WE WANT TO DO, GIVE ANY DIRECTION TO SHERRY FOR AN ORDINANCE OR WE WANT TO HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION
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ON IT OR THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE AND, AND GIVE DIRECTION? UM, I GAVE HER WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED.THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY FROM THE ALVIN.
THAT WAS WHAT I READ YOU RIGHT.
I MEAN IF WE CAN SOMEHOW INTEGRATE SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC.
WELL YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO US.
SO I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO BRING BACK BOTH THE ADDING CATS TO THE DESTRUCTIVE ANIMALS AND ALSO NO RUNNING AT LARGE? I'LL BRING BACK BOTH IN TWO SEPARATE TRIES.
[3. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2291 to rezone the 3.45-acre Family Fitness Tract at 333 FM 2004 from a B-1 Neighborhood Business to a B-3 Institutional use for The New Hope Church site. – Sherri Russell]
ITEM THREE.UH, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 1.
UH, TO REZONE THE 3.45 ACRE FAMILY FITNESS TRACK AT 3 33 FARM TO MARKET ROAD 2004, UH, FROM B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO B THREE INSTITUTIONAL USED FOR THE NEW, UH, HOPE CHURCH SITE DUST.
DO YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE? I HAVE TWO AND THIS WILL BE FIRST DRAFT.
ANY FIRST READ, MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE ADMITTING THE ZONING MAP OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS BY REZONING THE 3.45 ACRE FAMILY FITNESS TRACT OF LAND AT 3 33 FM 2004 FROM B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO B THREE INSTITUTIONAL FINDING THAT ALL PREREQUISITES OF THE LAW HAVE BEEN COMPLIED WITH PROVIDING FOR FELONIES, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR PUBLICATION.
AND SO WE DID HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO, UH, THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM.
BUT WITH COUNSEL BEFORE WE TAKE A MOTION AND WE'LL ASK YOU QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS.
UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING EXTRA ADD.
IF THERE'S ANY UH, FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, UH, WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH, UH, A MOTION ON ITEM THREE.
MAY I MOVE FOR APPROVAL? ORDINANCE 2, 2 9 1 TO REZONE THE 3.45 ACRE FAMILY FITNESS TRACK LOCATED AT 3 3 3, FARM THE MARKET 2004 FROM A B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS TO A B THREE INSTITUTION USED FOR THE NEW HOPE CHURCH SITE.
ALRIGHT, HAVE MOTION ROOM COUNCILMAN BUELL? I'LL SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST READING.
ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, WE BACK NEXT COUNCIL MEETING FOR A SECOND.
AND THAT'LL BE, UH, PROBABLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO.
[4. Discuss and consider the offer from TxDOT to purchase the right of way at The Wilderness Golf Course frontage. – Sal Aguirre]
IS, UH, DISCUSSING CONSIDERATE, UH, THE OFFER FROM TDOT TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THE WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE.I THINK THIS IS AN IMMINENT, I THINK THIS IS AN IMMINENT DOMAIN.
ARE WE JUST SELLING 'EM THE WHOLE GO GOLF COURSE SOUTH? UH,
UH, THIS IS OF COURSE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, GONNA BE WORDED DIFFERENT, LIKE, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID.
UH, BUT, UH, THEY, UH, THE TEXTILE, OF COURSE, IN DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE IN TRYING TO ACQUIRE PROPERTY TO WIDEN, UH, THREE, UH, 3 32 FROM, UH, 2 88 TO, UH, THE 5 23 AT, UH, AT THE OTHER END OF ZORIA.
UH, OF COURSE, THEY ARE ACQUIRING PROPERTY, UH, AND THEY'RE ACQUIRING PROPERTY ON NOT EITHER, UH, THE GOLF COURSE SIDE, AND IN SOME CASES IT WOULD BE THE OPPOSITE SIDE, DEPENDING ON THEIR, ON THEIR ALIGNMENT.
UH, IN OUR CASE, UH, THEY ARE WANTING TO TAKE ABOUT A 1.1 ACRE TRACT OFF OF OUR, UH, PROPERTY AT PRIMARILY AT OUR ENTRANCE, WHICH IN ITSELF TAKES IN A LOT OF THE, UH, WELL, REALLY THE GATEWAY TO THE GOLF COURSE, THE, THE ENTRANCE WAY TO THE GOLF COURSE.
AND IF YOU, UH, WHEN WE BUILT THAT PARTICULAR, WHEN WE BUILT THE GOLF COURSE, THAT GATEWAY WAS SOMETHING THAT WE PUT IN OURSELVES, UH, THE CITY AND, AND IT COST US WHATEVER MONEY AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, WHICH IS DIFFERENT.
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UH, WHEN WE HEARD, AND THEY MADE THE FIRST INITIAL OFFER TO US, WHICH HASN'T CHANGED FROM THE VERY, UH, FROM THE VERY START, THE STATE IS STILL THE SAME.UH, EVEN THOUGH WE, UH, WE VOICED OUR, FIRST OF ALL, OUR DISPLEASURE ON THEIR OFFER, AND THEY JUST, UH, BLEW US OFF AND SAID, OUR APPRAISER IS CORRECT.
OUR APPRAISER DID WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO THEREFORE, THERE WASN'T ANY TYPE OF ADJUSTMENT MADE BY THEM, NOR AN EFFORT DONE BY, MADE BY THEM.
UH, WE, UH, IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING, UH, WE WERE PREPARED AT THE VERY START OF THIS WHOLE THING, EVEN BEFORE THE FIRST OFFER CAME IN.
WE WENT IN AND I, WE GOT OUR, WE GOT A CONTRACTOR, A LOCAL CONTRACTOR, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, AND WE TRUST TO GIVE US A PRICE TO DO A, UH, WHAT I CONSIDER A RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING CONDITION THE WAY IT IS, AND TAKE IT BEYOND WHERE THE TAKING IS.
IN OTHER WORDS, MOVE WHAT WE HAVE THERE FURTHER INTO THE PROPERTY THERE.
UH, SO, UH, WE, UH, I MET WITH THE, UH, CONTRACTOR.
I EXPLAINED TO THEM IN THE FIELD WHAT IT WAS GONNA HAVE TO, WHAT WAS INVOLVED.
SO WHAT HE GAVE ME AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME WAS THE CAUSE TO ACTUALLY RELOCATE ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THE WAY THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, AND RECONSTRUCT THE SAME THING FURTHER, FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, FURTHER DOWN INTO OUR PROPERTY THERE.
UH, SO HE GAVE US A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PRICE, UH, A CERTAIN PRICE FOR THAT PARTICULAR DEAL.
WHEN THE, UH, OFFER CAME IN THERE, OF COURSE, IT WAS, UH, COMPOSED OF THREE, UH, THREE PARTS.
THE ONE WAS THE LAND PARTS, UH, AND, UH, THE OTHER ONE WAS THE, UH, UH, THE ACTUAL, UH, SITE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THERE WAS A, A COST SECURE, WHICH IS A, A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT, UH, APPRAISERS USED AS COST OF CURE.
OH, IT IS AN ADD-ON, UH, TO REMEDY THE, THE, THE SALE EITHER TO, TO, UH, CLOSE ON THE DEAL OR NOT.
UH, FROM THE GETGO, WE DECIDED THAT THAT WAS NOT, FIRST OF ALL, WE FELT LIKE IT DIDN'T DO JUSTICE TO THE LAND PART TO START WITH, AND IT REALLY DIDN'T DO ANY JUSTICE TO THE ACTUAL REPLACEMENT COST FOR ANOTHER ENTRANCE TO BE BUILT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE BEEN IN, YOU KNOW, IN OUR ESTIMATE, WE WOULD'VE BEEN, UM, UH, LEFT WITH THE COST ASSOCIATED.
WE'RE HAVING TO REDO THE WHOLE THING, WHETHER IT BE THE SAME, UH, THE SAME, UH, GATEWAY THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, OR A DIFFERENT ONE, A NEW ONE WITH A DIFFERENT TYPE OF, UH, UH, DIFFERENT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE.
UH, SO, UH, WHEN I PRESENTED THAT TO OUR ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT CENTER MANAGER FELT LIKE WE WEREN'T BEING, UH, WE WEREN'T BEING TREATED JUST SO WE VOICED OUR REJECTION OF THE FIRST OFFER, UH, OF, OF THE OFFER.
THEY CALLED US BACK AND GAVE US AN EXPLANATION, SENT US ANOTHER LETTER STATING WHY, WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND WHAT HAD THE APPRAISAL HAD DONE AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WAS THE SAME THING THEY HAD ARGUED THE FIRST TIME.
UH, WE LEFT IT LIKE THAT UNTIL, UH, AND ALSO THERE IS A TIMEFRAME WHERE ALL THIS THING NEEDS TO BE TAKING PLACE WHERE THEY SAY, YOU HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS TO GIVE US YOUR COUNTER OFFER, WHICH WE DID.
WE TOLD 'EM THAT, THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, LAND EVALUATION.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE DID IS, UH, DECIDED NO, WE'RE GONNA GO FOR EMINENT DOMAIN.
LET THEM, YOU KNOW, TAKE US TO COURT.
NOW, WHAT THAT ENTAILS, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.
I WILL LET OUR ATTORNEY SAY WHAT IT WOULD AMOUNT TO.
BUT ANYWAY, WHAT, UH, WHAT ENDED UP IS THEIR OFFER WAS FOR A TOTAL, I MEAN, THE FIRST THING IS THEY THOUGHT THEY, THEY GAVE US A $8,000 PER ACRE COST OF THE LAND.
THEY GAVE US ABOUT A, UH, A $99,000 ON THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIST RIGHT THERE THAT SAYS WHAT IT WAS AND HOW THEY VALUE IT.
AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, THERE WAS A THIRD ONE, WHICH WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BASED ON THE CURING, UH, OF 13,000 ALTOGETHER, 1 21 5 90.
WHEN, UH, DO WE GET THE OTHER? SO ULTIMATELY, WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY OFFERED AND WHAT WE FELT SHOULD BE OFFERED? WELL, UH, UH, SEE THAT NUMBER THERE? THAT WAS THEIR OFFER.
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1 21 5 90.DO YOU HAVE THE ONE OH, FOR ONE ACRE? FOR 1.1 ACRE, AND THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE? OKAY.
THERE, IT'S RIGHT HERE IS WHAT I, I STARTED LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION REGARDING A LAND, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARILY CON, WELL, IT WASN'T OUR PRIMARY, BUT WE FELT LIKE WE WERE NOT, UH, BEING TREATED PROPERLY.
SO I WENT TO THE BA UH, BRAZORIA CAD, UH, INFORMATION THERE.
AND WHAT I HAVE THERE IS OUR SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE GOLF COURSE, AND WHAT THE TOTAL ACREAGE IN OUR GOLF COURT IS THE SAME.
I DID WITH A, WHAT I SAID COMP A AND COMP B, WHICH ARE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES LEADING TO THE GOLF COURSE, STARTING AT THE, UH, WILDERNESS PARK ENTRANCE.
UH, THE TRACK, THE FIRST TRACK IS A 26.1 ACRE TRACK.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN THERE IS THE ONE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO US, WHICH IS A 7.4 ACRE TRACT.
WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE VALUES THAT THE COUNTY HAD, AND YOU SEE THERE, THEY HAD TWO VALUES.
ONE IS APPRAISED VALUE, ONE IS THE ASSESSED VALUE, AND, UH, AS YOU COULD TELL RIGHT THERE, THE PER ACREAGE VALUE BASED ON BOTH EITHER APPRAIS AND ASSESS OR, YOU KNOW, COME TO WHAT I HAVE ON IN THAT SPREADSHEET THERE FOR OUR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT IN A 6,000, UH, PER ACRE VALUE WHILE THE OTHER ONES, YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE EITHER ON THE ASSESSED PORTION WOULD BE THE 24 AND THE $32,000 PER ACRE.
BUT WHAT THEY OFFER US FOR ONE ACRE, 1.1 ACRE TRACT IS AT THE OFFER OF $8,000 ON LAND ONLY.
WE CAME OUT WITH 88 34, THE OFFER FROM THEM.
NOW, ON THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, THEY GAVE US THE 99 1 34 AND COST SECURE 1 21 5 90, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAW IN THEIR OFFER.
UH, AND WHAT I CAME UP WITH AS A COUNTER OFFER WAS, OKAY, GIVE ME THE VALUE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN WHAT IS THE ASSESSED VALUE PER ACRE ON THE OTHER TWO, AN AVERAGE OF THOSE, OF THOSE TWO, GIVE ME THAT AS A VALUE FOR THE LAND ITSELF ON THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE A $291,000 COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONTRACTOR ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR HIM TO REPLICATE THAT SAME ENTRANCE FURTHER DOWN INTO THAT AREA.
AND, UH, I ASKED, AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, ASKED HIM, WELL, THIS, I SAY THE ONLY, I MEAN, EITHER THEY LET US DO THIS OR LET US HAVE THE MONEY TO DO WHAT WE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT ABOUT DOING, OR LET THEM BID IT OUT THEMSELVES AND REP REPLICATE THAT SAME, THAT SAME IMPROVEMENT FURTHER DOWN.
WE PROVIDED THE CONTRACTOR'S ESTIMATE TO THEM, AND THEY DISPUTE IT SAYS, WELL, BUT ALL OF THAT WAS REJECTED IN THE NEGOTIATION.
AND THEY SAID, THIS IS ALL OFFERING SAID, THEY SAID, THAT'S ALREADY, YOU'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THOSE IN THE, IN THE 99.
AND SO 99,000, OUR ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, TO THEM WAS WE FELT THAT WE GOT A QUOTE FROM A VERY CONSERVATIVE CONTRACTOR IN THE AREA THAT WE DO BUSINESS WITH, THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT THE LOWEST, BUT THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE USUALLY ON THE BOTTOM QUARTILE OF ESTIMATES FOR, SO WE WEREN'T GIVING THEM A HIGH COST AND WE WEREN'T.
AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ENGINEERING OR DESIGN FEES IN THAT, AND WE DIDN'T HAVE, UH, IRRIGATION.
UH, AND THEN, SO THERE WAS TWO BIG THINGS ALREADY MISSING OUT OUT OF THE 2 91.
UH, SO WE WERE, AND I WAS ACCEPTING 'CAUSE WE HADN'T DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE YET.
I WAS ACCEPTING THE PRICE THAT THEY GAVE US ON THE PROPERTY.
WE WERE ONLY DISPUTING THE COST TO RELOCATE THINGS.
AND JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMPARISON, UH, AS FAR AS I, I CALL IT A GATEWAY, BUT IT'S, I CALL AN ENTRANCE FEATURE.
THE STATE DID THE ENTRANCE FEATURE RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, OF THE COURTHOUSE, THAT BIG ROUND DRUM.
THAT WAS IT WITH A LITTLE SEATING AREA AROUND IT.
LITTLE, UH, LIGHTING THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT ONE.
SOME PLANTINGS AROUND THAT THING.
THE STATE PAID $240,000 FOR TO A CONTRACTOR NOW, COST WISE.
SO I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T BE, I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING, UH, IN THAT ENTRANCE OF THE GOLF COURSE WITH, WITH, YOU
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KNOW.SO IF, IF THIS WAS, IF THIS WAS A GATEWAY WAY TO GRADY'S PROPERTY MM-HMM,
I'M NOT PRETTY, THEY OFFER THEM A BETTER DEAL OR ARE THEY GIVING US A BAD DEAL 'CAUSE WE'RE ANOTHER CITY? OR WE'RE I, UH, I TRIED TO GET SOMEBODY TO GIMME A PRICE AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM.
YOU KNOW, THE ONE, I MEAN, THE ONE THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WE JUST REALLY JUST DID NOT WANT TO DO IT, WAS HIRE A SPECIALIZED ATTORNEY TO FIGHT THIS BECAUSE WHATEVER COST DIFFERENTIAL THEY GET, THEN THEY WOULD GET 30 OR 40%.
THAT JUST SEEMED LIKE A WASTE OF TIME.
WELL, IF YOU REJECT IT, IF YOU REJECT IT, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO INATE DOMAIN.
WHAT'S THE RISKS? AND SO THEN THAT BECOMES, IS THAT A A THREE PARTY, UH, GROUP THAT LOOKS AT IT OR? SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, YEAH, THESE THREE UNINTERESTED PEOPLE FROM THE AREA GET APPOINTED AND THEY, UH, I'VE BEEN ON SEVERAL OF THOSE.
AND IT GOES TO THE COUNTY COURT OF LAW.
AND THEN THEY HAVE THREE REPRESENTATIVES.
MY WIFE AND I AND ANOTHER ATTORNEY 29TH ARE ON A CALLED SPECIAL COMMISSION.
THEY WAS IN A PRICE, THOSE
BUT WE THOUGHT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO ME WAS THINKING OUR CHANCES WOULD BE BETTER WITH THIS THREE PERSON BOARD SHOWING OUR COSTS VERSUS A SPECIALIZED COMPANY THAT IS SAYING, UH, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.
WHAT ARE THE RISKS OF DOING PROCEED FORWARD WITH IMMINENT DOMAIN? I'VE BEEN ON? WELL, I WOULD GUESS THE RISK IS THOSE THREE PEOPLE WILL, WOULD GO LOWER THAN TDOT DID, WHICH DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY.
AND THAT, AND YOU KNOW, YOU CAN, IT'S A NEGOTIATION UP UNTIL THE TIME YOU START THE TRIAL BECAUSE YOU CAN APPEAL THE, THAT THE BOARD UP TO THE COURT AND YOU CAN EVEN APPEAL THAT UP TO AN APPELLATE COURT.
SO JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LAWSUIT, YOU CAN STOP IT AT ANY TIME AND NEGOTIATE AND STUFF.
AND THE ONLY ISSUE THAT GETS DECIDED IS VALUE, RIGHT? YES.
LIKE, THESE PEOPLE ARE DECIDING BASED ON WHATEVER EVIDENCE OP PUTS FORWARD AND WHATEVER EVIDENCE WE PUT FORWARD, WHAT THE VALUE IS.
THIS ONE, THAT ONE, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE.
TODAY'S THEIR PROJECT AS WELL.
BECAUSE THEN NOTHING HAPPENS UNTIL, AS A RESULT, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT THE ONLY ONES.
NO, THERE'S GONNA BE GONNA DO THIS, THIS, IN THIS SITUATION, WE EVEN TOLD THEM, BUT THERE WAS A NO GO.
WE SAID, WE ARE OPEN TO THEM INCORPORATING THE IMPROVEMENTS INTO THEIR PROJECT IF THEY WANT TO MOVE EVERYTHING AND DESIGN IT.
AND WHERE, OR WE WOULD PUT THE DESIGN AND GIVE THEM DESIGN THEY CAN INCORPORATE IN THE PROJECT.
AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS TEXDOT DOESN'T DO THAT.
BECAUSE THEY CAME BACK WITH THE SAME OFFER.
THEY DIDN'T MAKE ANY EFFORT WHATSOEVER.
OR THAT'S THE IMPRESSION THAT I HAD.
I PUT PUT, THEY'LL PUT ALL KIND OF IMPRESSIONS ON THE SIDES OF OVERPASSES, BUT THEY WON'T DO YEAH.
ALL THAT, ALL THAT PROPERTY UP THREE, UH, 36 GOING TO WEST COLUMBIA, THAT WAS ALL SPECIAL COMMISSION AND 90% OF IT CAME OUT PAY WITH THE LAND.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING REASONABLE BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE AND WE DIDN'T GET TWO OR THREE.
WE JUST GOT ONE FROM A, A TRUSTED CONTRACTOR.
IF THEY, IF WE GO THAT ROUTE, THEN WE CAN ADD IRRIGATION AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF TO IT.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT EXACTLY WHOLE.
WE TRYING TO, ALL WE'RE DOING IS MAKE ASKING THEM TO MAKE US WHOLE.
IT'S JUST LIKE ANY PROPERTY, WHAT IT'S WE'RE MAKING AND WE WEREN'T EVEN ASKING FOR ANYTHING NEW.
WE WERE ASKING JUST MOVE WHAT WE TO MOVE WHAT WE HAVE.
THE IRONY OF ALL THIS IS THAT WE'RE JUST BASICALLY PAYING FOR IT TWICE.
'CAUSE ALL THE MONEY'S OURS ANYWAYS.
IT'S SO WE PAID FOR IT ONCE AND NOW WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR IT AGAIN.
IT'S JUST WHAT PART OF OUR MONEY IS IT COMING FROM TAX, TAX STATE.
ATTORNEY THREE, PROFESSIONAL, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER.
SO, SO IF COUNCIL'S OPEN, STAFF'S RECOMMENDING TO REJECT IT AND THEN GO, UH, ED, ASK FOR THE I DOMAIN PROCESS.
NOTHING HAPPENS TILL THEY IT TO SIT.
JUST BE SURE YOU SAY EMINENT DOMAIN.
WE'LL COME OUT A WHOLE LOT BETTER OFF.
WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE, UH, I GUESS WAITING FOR THEM TO, UH, PROCEED WITH THE EMINENT DE EMINENT DOMAIN PROCESS.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH MOVING ON? WE'LL, A SECOND TO REJECT THEIR OFFER.
WELL, WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T MOTION.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO REJECT THE OFFER FROM TXDOT TO PURCHASE
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THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THE WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE.ANY FOR DISCUSSION? ALL FAVOR SAY AYE.
RHONDA RECOGNIZED WE WILL GO FORWARD AND DO GREAT THINGS.
[5. Discuss and consider the adoption of The Compliance Engine to track and maintain code compliance. – Will Ammons]
ITEM, ITEM FIVE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, ADOPTION OF COMPLIANCE ENGINE TO TRACK AND MAINTAIN, UH, CODE COMPLIANCE.WE'LL PRESENT IN FIVE MINUTES.
OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO Y'ALL THIS EVENING.
UM, THIS IS GOING OVER THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE, WHICH WE KIND OF, WE DISCUSSED A LITTLE BIT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS LITTLE SHORT PRESENTATION TO Y'ALL.
JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE BIG IMPORTANT THINGS THAT ARE, THAT GO ALONG WITH IT AND WHAT, AND WHY THIS WILL BE BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
SO, THE OLD WAY, WE'RE NOT QUITE AS BAD.
WE'RE, WE'RE, THE CURRENT WAY THAT WE GET DEFICIENCY REPORTS FOR THESE SYSTEMS IS THROUGH EMAIL.
WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T GET THE, THE, THE MAIL THROUGH THE POSTAL SERVICE ANYMORE.
SO WE GET THOSE REPORTS FASTER, BUT WE STILL, THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING IN EMAIL AND WE HAVE TO TRACK 'EM.
SO IT TAKES MANPOWER AND WE'RE JUST, WE, WE CAN'T BE EFFICIENT WHILE WE'RE DOING IT WITH THIS METHOD.
THE, MY DESK IS NOT QUITE AS BAD AS THAT LITTLE CHARACTER, BUT IT'S PRETTY DARN CLOSE.
UH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES IS IT USES A WEB-BASED SERVICE, UM, TO RE TO MANAGE THESE REPORTS THAT COME IN.
YOU'LL SEE IT USES, UH, ESRI MAPPING AND WE'LL, SO THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND THEY WILL FIND ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WHERE THERE ARE THESE SYSTEMS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF OUR FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS ARE.
AND THAT, THAT IS ANOTHER HUGE ISSUE.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'LL DO IS ONCE WE HAVE THESE SYSTEMS IDENTIFIED, THEY'LL SEND OUT RENEWAL NOTIFICATIONS SAYING, LETTING THE, THE TENANT OR THE OCCUPANT KNOW, HEY, YOUR SYSTEM IS COMING UP.
AND THEN WHEN IT'S DUE, THEY'LL SEND 'EM ANOTHER NOTIFICATION SAYING THAT IT'S RED, IT'S TIME TO, TO GET THAT INSPECTION DONE.
AND IF THEY GO PAST, THEN THEY'LL SEND THEM PAST DUE NOTICES.
AND WHEN IT GETS TO THAT POINT, THEY ALSO SEND US A NOTIFICATION LETTING US KNOW THAT THEY ARE DEFICIENT AT THAT POINT.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE A NOTIFICATION LETTER FOR A, A UPCOMING INSPECTION THAT'S REQUIRED.
UH, IF AN ADDRESS IS NO LONGER GOOD, IF THEY GET A RETURN TO THE SENDER IT ACT, IT DOESN'T COME TO US, IT WILL GO BACK TO BRIER AND THEY WILL UPDATE THEIR SYSTEM AND THEY WILL WORK TO TRY TO IDENTIFY WHO THEY NEED TO GET THAT TO.
THEY MAKE PHONE CALLS ON OUR BEHALF, UH, TO THOSE TENANTS OR THE BUILDING OWNERS, AND ALL OF THE PHONE CALLS ARE RECORDED.
SO IF THERE'S ANY SORT OF A DISPUTE OF, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T GET A PHONE CALL, I NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY, NOBODY LET ME KNOW ANYTHING WAS GOING ON.
WE CAN PULL IT UP AND WE CAN, WE CAN ACCESS THAT.
SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS THEY, THEY USE A, A LOT OF DIFFERENT METHODS.
ONE OF THE PRIMARY ONES IS GONNA BE USING GOOGLE MAPS.
SO THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND THEY'LL DO THE STREET VIEW AND THEY'LL LOOK FOR SIGNS ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING TO LET THEM KNOW THAT HEY, THERE MAY BE A FIRE SERVICE FEATURE, WHETHER IT'S A FIRE ALARM, UH, STROBE ON THE SIDE OR A BELL FOR THE FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
AND THEN THEY'LL GO THROUGH AND THEY'LL SEARCH THAT ADDRESS AND THEY'LL LOOK FOR INTERIOR PICTURES AND THEY'LL, SO THEY'LL LOOK FOR LIKE THE, LIKE A HOOD SYSTEM, OR THEY'LL LOOK LIKE HERE THEY CAN SEE THE NOTIFICATION DEVICE ON A FIRE ALARM SYSTEM.
SO WHY DO WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS? UM, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE NOT LOS ANGELES, BUT THE NUMBERS KIND OF ARE PRETTY EVEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR LARGE AND SMALL, UH, CITIES.
THE, THE MORE WE CAN GET IN COMPLIANT WITH THESE SYSTEMS, THE LESS ISSUES THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE SKIP THROUGH TO THIS ONE.
UH, NUISANCE ALARMS, THIS IS A BIG ONE.
THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY BIG REASON THAT THIS SYSTEM WILL
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HELP US.32.5% OF FALSE ALARMS ARE DUE TO NON-COMPLIANCE ON THESE SYSTEMS OF THEM BEING OUT OF DATE.
FOR US, WE HAD 277 CALLS THAT WERE DETERMINED TO BE FALSE ALARMS LAST IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS.
WE COULD HAVE, WE COULD KNOCK 90 CALLS OFF OF THAT AND THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD TAKE THAT BURDEN OFF OF OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND THAT, THAT'S A HUGE BENEFIT TO THIS SYSTEM.
THIS SYSTEM WILL ALSO INTEGRATE WITH OUR NEW, UH, FIRE REPORTING SYSTEM.
SO HOW DOES THIS STOP, HOW DOES THIS STOP FALSE ALARMS BY STAYING ON TOP OF THE INSPECTION, TESTING AND MAINTENANCE THAT ARE REQUIRED ON THESE SYSTEMS. OKAY.
THEY'RE ALL REQUIRED TO BE INSPECTED ANNUALLY AND A LOT OF TIMES THEY GO UNINSPECTED.
SO THEY'RE ALARMING BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST NOT UP TO DATE THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE.
WHEN WE, WE FIND THAT WHEN WE DO THE ROUTINE MAINTENANCES ON THESE SYSTEMS, THEY ARE LESS, LESS APT TO HAVE THE ISSUES.
I THINK THE OTHER ONE IS, IT'S PROBABLY WILL, IT MAY BE EASIER JUST TO GIVE A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF, UH, AND THIS IS NOT A FIRE ALARM, BUT LET'S SAY IT'S A, A HOOD, UM, SUPPRESSION SYSTEM WILL MAY BE IN THAT FACILITY ONCE A YEAR.
IT COULD GO OUT OF COMPLIANCE ANYTIME IN THERE AS A, BUT THE SPRINKLER SERVICE COMPANY IS, OR THE SUPPRESSION IS INSPECTING IT ON A MORE REGULAR BASIS.
THEY MAY HAVE A PROBLEM AND THEY MAY RED TAG IT, BUT WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, OF THE RED TAG.
THIS SYSTEM WILL, THE COMPANY THAT'S INSPECTING IT IS NOTIFYING, THEY WOULD THEN BE REQUIRED TO ENTER THIS INTO THE DATABASE.
AND THEN WE GET A NOTIFICATION VERY QUICKLY THAT, YOU KNOW, X, Y, Z RESTAURANT COMPANY SUPPRESSION SYSTEM IS OUT OF SERVICE.
SO THEY WOULD SEND US A NOTIFICATION, THE BUILDING OWNER AND THE TENANT WOULD ALSO GET THAT NOTIFICATION FOR THAT DEFICIENCY.
BUSINESS IS DOING THE INSPECTION.
SAY THEY DO ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, THAT'S PART OF THEIR CONTRACT WITH THE, THE OWNER.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO FAR? SO TAKE FIRE ALARM FOR INSTANCE.
THEY'RE REQUIRED ANNUALLY TO HAVE A FUNCTION TEST DONE.
WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS WHEN THE COMPANY GOES OUT, ONCE, IF WE ADOPT THIS, THEY WOULD GO OUT, THEY WOULD PERFORM THE INSPECTION AND WHETHER IT WAS A BLUE TAG SAYING IT WAS GOOD OR IT WAS A, A YELLOW TAG SAYING THAT THERE WAS AN ISSUE, BUT IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING OR A RED TAG SAYING THIS SYSTEM HAS A PROBLEM AND IT'S NOT GONNA WORK THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO.
THEY WILL UPLOAD IT TO THAT SYSTEM AND WE WILL GET A NOTIFICATION OF THAT INSPECTION.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT ON, THEY'RE TRACKING THAT INSPECTION DATE SO THEY KNOW WHEN IT'S COMING UP DUE OR WHEN IT'S PAST DUE.
WHERE TODAY, WHERE TODAY WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY GO TO WHEN THEY'RE, UNLESS YOU DO YOUR INSPECTION.
UNLESS WE FIND IT WHEN WE'RE DOING AN INSPECTION AND WE HAVE COME ACROSS, WE'VE GONE INTO OUR INSPECTION AND THERE HAVE BEEN ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN RED TAGGED.
HOW DO YOU REQUIRED THE COMPANY TO PARTICIPATE IN ALL THIS? THE THIRD PARTY.
SO IN THE FIRE CODE, IT'S SECTION 1 0 8 0.3, IT'LL, IT GIVES US THE AUTHORITY TO DICTATE THE MANNER IN WHICH REPORTS ARE MADE.
AND THE COMPANY'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY WOULD PREFER THIS.
SO I, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK WITH TWO, TWO INDIVIDUALS IN THE FIRE PROTECTION BUSINESS AND TOLD 'EM THAT WE WERE, WE WERE DISCUSSING, OR WE WERE CONSIDERING GOING TO THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE AND THEY SAID IF THERE'S 10 CITIES, EIGHT OF 'EM ARE DOING IT.
IF YOU'RE NOT DOING IT, YOU'RE BEHIND NOW.
BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE FEE CAN STILL BE ASSESSED BACK TO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS NOT A, UH, WHAT FEE? THE FEE THAT THIS COMPANY IS GOING TO CHARGE THIS COMPANY IS GOING TO CHARGE A FEE TO THE INSPECTION COMPANY.
AND THAT WILL GET BACK ONTO THE BILL TO THE COMPANY, YOU KNOW, TO X, Y, Z RESTAURANT AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, FOR IT, BECAUSE IT'S A, AN INCREASED FEE TO THE INSPECTION COMPANY.
TO THE INSPECTION COMPANY, UH, THEY, THE AVERAGE COST OF THE REPORT IS ABOUT $20 TO ENTRY TO DO THE ENTRY.
AND THIS IS THE LIST OF THE, ALL THE DIFFERENT DEVICES THAT WE CAN
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HAVE THEM ENTER FOR INSPECTIONS.WE DON'T HAVE TO SELECT THEM ALL.
WE, WE GET TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S KITCHEN HOOD SYSTEMS, FIRE ALARMS, FIRE PUMPS, UH, PRIVATE FIRE HYDRANTS.
WE'RE TALKING THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
SO THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
SO WHY WOULD YOU TAKE ANYTHING OFF THIS LIST? UH, IF WE'VE GOT 'EM, WHY WOULD YOU TAKE 'EM OFF THE LIST? SO, BACKFLOW, THAT, THAT'S ONE THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD KEEP ON THERE, BUT WE WOULD LIMIT IT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A BACKFLOW INSPECTION, UM, COMPANY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
IT'S REDUNDANT ON THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SIDE.
WELL, HOW MANY CITIES, UH, PARTICIPATE WITH THE CLIENT'S ENGINE IN THE AREA? OH GOSH.
THERE'S WELL OVER A HUNDRED DEPARTMENTS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS THAT ARE ON IT.
UH, CITY OF HOUSTON, HARRIS COUNTY PARA LAND IS ONE OF THEM.
SUGARLAND, EL, EL CAMPO, BAY CITY.
ANYBODY BESIDES PARA LAND IN BRAZORIA COUNTY? UH, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
WELL, AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TOOL.
IT'S A METHODOLOGY, UH, SYSTEM TO OR SYSTEM TO ENABLE US TO DO OUR JOBS BETTER AND KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.
IT, IT, IT'LL HELP US TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.
AND WHAT, I GUESS WHAT BOTHERS ME THOUGH IS THAT YOU SAID IS THAT WE DON'T, IF I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY, IS THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SYSTEMS WE HAVE OUT THERE.
WE TRULY DON'T HAVE AN ACCOUNT.
BECAUSE IF THEY WENT IN, IN THE EARLY NINETIES, YOU KNOW, WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE SEEN IT, BUT YOU DO QUARTERLY INSPECTION AND YOU WOULD KNOW THAT WE DON'T, WE NO.
THERE'S NO WAY WE COULD PHYSICALLY DO THAT.
WE DON'T EVEN MEET OUR INSPECTION GOAL, UM, TODAY OF AN ANNUAL INSPECTION.
SO WE'RE REQUIRING, SO WE'RE RELYING ON THEIR SUBJECT REPORTING WE'RE REACTIONARY REACTION.
WELL, YOU'RE RELYING ON THEIR SUPPLIER TO DO THE INSPECTIONS TO AND DO THE REPORTING.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE ARE VERY DEPENDENT ON WHEN THEIR SUPPLIER TELLS 'EM THAT THEIR VET HOOD IS NOT WORKING, THAT THEY'LL FIX IT.
AND THIS, THIS HELPS US TRACK THAT.
SO THAT PUTS A LITTLE BIT, THAT ENABLES US TO PUT A LITTLE MORE PRESSURE ON GETTING THINGS FIXED.
RECENTLY, WE, UH, ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS WE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE
WOULD THIS THING WOULD'VE CAUGHT THAT OR NOT? IF, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, IF, IF THE FIRE PROTECTION COMPANY HAD BEEN IN THERE AND SEEN THAT, THAT THE THE HOOD WAS COVERED IN, IN GREASE, THEN YES, THEY WOULD'VE BEEN TAGGED FOR THAT.
AND THAT WOULD'VE PUT A, SEND A REPORT TO US.
AND THIS REALLY SHOULD BE A FINAL LAYER ON THAT PROCESS BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO CARRY THE INSURANCE, THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ASK FOR THESE INSPECTIONS AND THEY ASK FOR, UM, THE TAG NUMBERS.
LIKE THEY'LL GO IN AND INSPECT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF ARE THE KIND OF THE FINAL CHECKS AND BALANCE OF THAT WHOLE SYSTEM.
I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE COULD DO THIS.
YOU KNOW, WILL, COULD HAVE A LOT OF TIME THOUGH THE CORRECT ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO DO THAT.
BUT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY.
AND IT WOULD, WE HAVE A LARGE CITIES DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T, 'CAUSE THEY THEY UTILIZE IT.
AND IT WOULD COST SO MUCH MORE, UH, FOR US TO, UH, TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS.
SO IT WAS THE MOST AFFORDABLE OPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HELP, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO STAY OFF ON THINGS THAT ARE INSPECTED.
SO, I MEAN, I'LL, WE'LL GIVE OUR FACILITY AS THE EXAMPLE WE INSPECT ANNUALLY, HAVE ALL OUR FIRE EXTINGUISHERS INSPECTED.
MY GUESS IS WE, WE WILL NOW SUBMIT THAT INFORMATION TO THE COMPLIANCE ENGINE OR THE COMPANY WILL YES.
AND THAT FEE WILL, YOU KNOW, BE PASSED, YOU KNOW, ONTO US AS PART OF THE INSPECTION PROCESS.
SO IF, IF I GO OVER THERE AND I DECIDE I WANNA OPEN UP A GREASY SPOON AND I BUY, AND I LEASE OUT A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS A GREASY SPOON NUMBER ONE 10 YEARS AGO, AND IT'S BEEN CLOSED FIVE YEARS.
SO I WALK IN THERE, IT'S ALREADY GOT THE HOODS IN PLACE AND ALL THIS OTHER KIND OF STUFF.
AND BEFORE THEY GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, YOU'VE GOTTA COME IN AND INSPECT IT AND CODE AND, AND CODE FOR HEALTH HAS COME IN INSPECTED.
SO YOU'RE GONNA LOOK IN IT AND SAY, OKAY, YOU GOT
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A VENT HOOD, IT'S FUNCTIONAL AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.DO YOU SAY FOR YOUR VENT HOOD, DO YOU HAVE PROOF OF A CONTRACT? WOULD SOMEBODY COME IN, DO THE INSPECTION ON A, WITH WHATEVER FREQUENCY? SO WE DON'T SEE A CONTRACT FOR SERVICE.
WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE GO IN, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TAGS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT TAG HAS A LICENSE NUMBER ON IT.
THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO, TO PERFORM THE SERVICE.
SO IT'S GOT A RECENT TAG ON IT.
IT SAYS IT'S BEEN, IT'S INSPECTED AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
SO THEY COULD, ONCE THEY GET UP AND RUNNING, THEY COULD, THEY COULD STOP THAT SERVICE, STOP THAT SERVICE AS FAR AS THE INSPECTOR GO AND JUST, JUST WING IT AND, AND HOPE THAT YOU NEVER SHOW UP.
AND THEN IF, OR THAT, WELL, CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD CATCH IT TOO.
I MEAN, HELP INSPECTOR CATCH IT TOO.
SO THERE'S, AND SO DO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES.
ANYWAY, THIS, THIS ALSO, THIS PROGRAM WOULD PROBABLY ALSO, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU DO IDENTIFY A PROBLEM IN AN ESTABLISHMENT, HELPS, SOUNDS LIKE, UH, TRACKING TO GO BACK, TO REMIND YOU GUYS TO, TO CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE IT WAS CORRECTED.
IT, IT TRACKS IF THERE'S A DEFICIENCY, IT TRACKS THE DEFICIENCY TO MAKE SURE THAT REPAIRS ARE MADE.
ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA SHARE WITH US BEFORE WE, I, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP FORWARD IF WE WANNA GO FORWARD WITH THIS? ARE YOU, YOU, ARE YOU COMING TO US FOR APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS? OR WHAT MESSED STUFF? UH, SURE.
UM, I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IF THE FIRE CODE SAYS IT, UH, THEN I, WE'LL JUST RELY ON THE FIRE CODE.
I KNOW WE DID AN ORDINANCE FOR, UH, GREECE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT BUILDING, SO DO WE BUDGET FOR THIS? NO, THERE'S NO COST.
SO THERE'S NO COST TO, THERE'S NO COST.
THE COST IS BILL TO THE COST GOES BACK TO THE, THE SERVICE PROVIDER.
AND THEN THEY PASSED ON TO THE CUSTOMER.
THE BUSINESS AVERAGE COST, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TO CUSTOMER.
SO THE AVERAGE COST TO THE SERVICE COMPANY IS ABOUT $20 PER EQUIPMENT PER MONTH? NO, PER REPORT.
SO IF THERE'S 10 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS IN A BUILDING, IT'S GONNA BE $20 FOR THAT REPORT.
SO CITY HALL WOULD PAY $20 MOST LIKELY IF THE YES.
FOR OUR INSPECTION, I MEAN FOR OUR INSPECTION.
SO WHAT DO YOU AGAIN, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US? YOU NEED, YOU WANT US A MOTION TO GO FORWARD WITH IT OR? YES.
I MEAN, WE'LL, I MEAN, DO, DO YOU NEED ANY OTHER CHANGE TO THE FIRE CODE? UH, NO.
WE WE'RE BRINGING CHANGES TO FIRE CODE.
I MOVE THAT WE ADOPT THE, UH, COMPLIANCE ENGINE TO TRACK AND MAINTAIN COURT COMPLIANCE AS REQUESTED BY
AND A SECOND MOTION FROM HANYA AND SECOND FROM SETH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[6. Discuss and consider terminating the Comprehensive Qualifying Project Agreement between the City and CNG Energy Partners. – Modesto Mundo]
THANK YOU.ITEM SIX, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, TERMINATING THE COMPREHENSIVE QUALIFICATION PROJECT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND CNG ENERGY PARTNERS.
WELL, THIS HAS BEEN, UH, A LONG TIME COMING, COMING, AND I'VE BEEN SLOW ON THIS, UM, PROBABLY, OOH, A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS AGO.
YOU DON'T LIKE, YOU JUST DON'T LIKE RIPPING BANDAIDS OFF OF STUFF.
I, I DON'T, UH, WE STARTED SEEING PROBLEMS WITH, UH, THE COMPANY AND GAY AND SABRINA BROUGHT IT UP TO ME SEVERAL TIMES ON THAT WE NEEDED TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
AND THEN I GOT A LITTLE SOFT HEARTED ONCE THE, UM, THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVE VISITED WITH ME, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO AND PROMISED ME THAT THEY WOULD GET THIS BACK UP AND RUNNING ON, IN, IN LINE.
AND THAT IT DIDN'T, AND THAT IT JUST SLOWLY GOT WORSE WHERE THEY, UH, STOPPED, UM, UH, REPORTING ANYTHING TO US.
BUT THEN THEY STOPPED PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC BILL, UH, DURING THE SUMMER.
AND THEN IT'S, UM, SLIPPED OFF, UH, MY RADAR.
AND, UM, THEN, UM, GOT BROUGHT BACK TO MY ATTENTION AS WE JUST NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
SO THE LAST MONTH WE'VE, UM, UM, RESENT NOTIFICATIONS.
WE HAD SENT A NOTIFICATION FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT WE HADN'T DONE THE, THE SECOND NOTIFICATION.
AND SO WE, UH, AND THAT GOT BOUNCED BACK BECAUSE THE COMPANY IS YEAH.
WE DON'T EVEN, WE DON'T KNOW IF IT EXISTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT IN THAT OFFICE.
ALL OF THESE OTHER COMPANIES HAVE
DO THEY HAVE A BALANCE WITH US OR ARE THEY PAID IN UP TO DATE? UH, NO.
THAT WE THINK THEY, WE HAVE A BALANCE OF WHAT THEY OWED FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR, FOR FUEL.
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YEAH.BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, BECAUSE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GIVE US SALES REPORTS AND THEN WE WOULD TELL 'EM HOW MUCH THEY OWED.
AND WITH NO REPORT, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE WERE TRACKING GAS.
WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T MEET HER TO THEM.
WE, WE RELIED ON THEM TO GIVE US CORRECT.
OFFER THEIR PUMPS, WHICH WERE, I MEAN, AS ARE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET, WAS TRYING TO GET THEIR SALES REPORT SO THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY FIND OUT HOW MUCH, UH, THEY OWE US.
BUT IT MOST LIKELY WAS NOT A LOT BECAUSE THERE WAS ONLY ONE VEHICLE USING THE FACILITY.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO A FACILITY NOW? IT BECOMES OURS AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S OUR PROPERTY ALREADY, RIGHT? BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT WHEN IT'S NOT USED FOR THIS PURPOSE? UM, THE THOUGHT PROCESS ONE WAS SEEING IF WE, WE CAN SEEK AN RFP FOR THE GAS TANKS AND SEE IF THEY'RE WORTH ANYTHING.
I THINK WE WOULD KEEP THE, THE COVER AND FENCE IT IN AND SEE IF WE WANT TO USE SOMETHING.
WE'VE ALREADY PUT A, UM, CONEX, A CON, A CONEX BUILDING ON, ON A PORTION OF THE DRIVEWAY TO STORE EVERYTHING THAT ASSISTANT CHIEF, UM, SIDE BOTTOM IS GETTING THROUGH A GRANT.
UM, UH, BUT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY ONE SET ITEM TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
BUT, UM, WE CAN TAKE, WE CAN AVAIL OURSELVES OF, OF THE CONCRETE AND THE COVER.
CAN IT BE A, JUST AN ADDITIONAL FUELING STATION FOR OUR EQUIPMENT OR NOT? WE WOULD YOU WANT USE IT FOR YEAH.
OURS IS SATISFIED AND THEN OUR HEAVY FLEET IS SLOW FILL.
SO WE DON'T DO A LOT OF QUICK FILL, YOU KNOW, ON THERE.
SO STAFF HAS SAID THAT THEY, SO WE COULD, UH, WE'LL HAVE A CANOPY FOR PD TO SIT THERE AND WATCH SPEEDERS.
THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF JUTTED OUT.
RIGHT? AND SO MY CONCERN IS I WANT TO MAKE IT AT LEAST, YOU DON'T WANNA BE AN EYES, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT TO CREATE OUR OWN EYES ON OUR PROPERTY.
SO ANY LONG TERM, UH, UH, ISSUES FOR UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK, UH, MAINTENANCE AND, UH, DISPOSAL.
THIS DOESN'T HAVE UNDERGROUND, THIS THE CG STATION, NOTHING UNDER.
AND WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SELL THOSE THERE WORTH.
SO THINGS CIP IT IS, IT'S PIPED DIRECTLY TO OUR UNDERGROUND, OUR, OUR FACILITY THAT HAVE IT.
IT'S JUST THE, IT IS JUST THE TANKS.
SO NOW IT'S TIME FOR LESS STUFF.
DO WE WANT TO, UH, YEAH, I MEAN THE ACTION ON THIS WOULD BE IF WE WANT TO OR NOT TO, UH, END THE CONTRACT, I GUESS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? YEAH.
WE'RE ASKING PERMISSION TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT.
YOU WANT A MOTION? YES, MA'AM.
TERMINATE THE COMPREHENSIVE QUALIFYING PROJECT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE CNG ENERGY PARTNERS.
SECOND AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL.
ALL SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.
UH, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
[7. End of the quarter financial update. – James Bryson]
JAMES.EVERYBODY WAIT FOR DUN, DUN, DUN, DUN.
I'M KIND OF NERVOUS 'CAUSE THERE'S ONE GENTLEMAN HERE AND HOPE HE DOESN'T ASK HIM QUESTIONS.
OH, I DON'T USUALLY HAVE A CROWD.
IT'S THAT TIME OF THE YEAR WHERE I COME TELL YOU IT'S THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
AND IF IT HADN'T HAVE BEEN FOR BURL, WE WOULD'VE DONE, WELL DONE.
A LOT BETTER OFF THAN I EXPECTED.
BUT YOU CAN SEE ON OUR CASH REPORT, WHICH IS THE FIRST ONE I HAVE FOR YOU, THAT WE ENDED THE YEAR AT ABOUT WHAT? $83 MILLION.
THAT'S 9 MILLION DOWN FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE QUARTER.
AND OF COURSE, BURL TOOK UP A LOT OF THAT.
WE ALSO HAD A DEBT PAYMENT THAT WAS DUE IN AUGUST, AND, BUT FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS REALLY CROWDER, GU THOMPSON AND SERVPRO THAT WE WERE PAYING OUT.
AND UM, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, YOU CAN SEE FIRST PUBLIC IS WHERE WE DREW THE MONEY OUT.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT BIG DROP ON THERE.
TECH POOLS REALLY KIND OF OUR INVESTMENTS TECHSTARS ARE BOND MONEY.
AND SO BETWEEN, UM, FIRST PUBLIC AND FIRST NATIONAL IS WHERE WE DREW THE MONEY OUT TO PAY FOR MOST OF THE EXPENDITURES WE'VE INCURRED FROM BUR.
AND THEN BELOW YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY, UH, EACH FUND AND HOW MUCH MONEY THEY EACH HAVE.
AND THIS IS THE REPORT THAT'S REQUIRED BY PFI TO GIVE TO YOU EACH QUARTER.
SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE CASH REPORT AND INVESTMENTS? NO.
SO WHAT'S
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SEE WHICH ONE.NEXT WOULD BE GENERAL FUND REVENUES.
AND YOU CAN SEE WE GOT RIGHT AT ONE OH 1% FOR THE YEAR.
UM, THE ONLY KIND OF LULL IN THE SYSTEM WAS LICENSE AND PERMITS, BUT I'M SURE DAVID'S BACK THERE THINKING OF WAYS TO MAKE MONEY ON THAT AS WE SPEAK.
AND, BUT I CURATE 'EM WITH INTEREST EARNINGS, SO I MADE UP FOR IT.
WE'RE DOING PRETTY GOOD FOR THE MOST PART.
SO WE BEAT OUR BUDGET ON REVENUES AND YOU CAN SEE PROPERTY TAX CAME IN WHERE IT NEEDED TO.
SO NOW WE'RE AT THE SALES TAX REPORTS.
AND YOU HAD A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THEM.
YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT THE REPORT.
IT SAYS THE TOP TOP 10 TAX PAYERS AND ONE OF THEM IS THE MARMAX OPERATING CORPORATION.
I'M NOT GONNA SURE MYSELF, SIR.
I WILL FIND THAT OUT AND GET THAT TO YOU AND LET COUNSEL KNOW.
I MEAN, NO BIG DEAL ON THIS PERIOD.
YOU THINK IT'S TJ MAXX? THAT'S WHAT MY THOUGHT WAS, BUT, UH, I WOULD BE SURPRISED.
IT'S PROBABLY AN APARTMENT CALL.
IT'S LIKE, MAN, THERE'S NO WAY THEY COULD MAKE IT INTO THE DOWNTOWN SALES TAX.
IT'S HARD BECAUSE SOME OF THESE COMPANIES DON'T HAVE THE NAME TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
I WONDER IF IT'S, IT IS A COMBINATION OF MARSHALLS AND TJ MAXX.
IT'S MARSHALL MAX, MARSHALLS MAX.
YEAH, THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT IT IS.
IT TAKES A, A VILLAGE, UH, ATTORNEY CAME UP WITH THAT, SO I'LL QUESTION IT, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
CIVIC CENTER WAS DOING REALLY WELL UNTIL THE HURRICANE CAME.
REC CENTER WAS DOING REAL WELL UNTIL THE HURRICANE CAME.
PAYROLL WAS DOING REALLY WELL UNTIL THE HURRICANE CAME, OF COURSE.
AND THEN YOU GOT SOME OVERTIME COSTS.
BUT, UM, FOR THE MOST PART, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT FAR OFF ON THE BUDGET FROM THE, UH, FOURTH QUARTER.
AND OVERALL, I BELIEVE KIND OF, UM, SALARIES IN GENERAL FINISHED OUT THE YEAR PRETTY MUCH WHERE WE BUDGETED.
AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE GOT HERE FOR YOU.
WE ENDED UP AT $6 MILLION IN REVENUE ON THE WATER SIDE AND WE BUDGETED 5.8.
SO WE BEAT OUR BUDGET ON WATER AND WE BUDGETED 5.8 ON, UM, SEWER.
SO WE GOT BY JUST ON THE SKIN OF OUR TEETH WHILE THE SEWER.
HOW ARE WE DOING ON THAT? WHICH ONE? HOTEL, MOTEL TAX.
I KNOW MOST OF OUR OTHER, UH, CITIES ARE NOT SO FORTUNATE THIS TIME, SO.
WELL, I THINK WE ENDED UP LIKE, SAY, UH, WOOD SPRINGS AND THEM BECAUSE THE, UH, LINEMEN WERE STAYING THERE AND THEY WERE GOING OUT TO THE OTHER CITIES.
SO WE HAD SOME BENEFIT FROM THAT.
BUT, UH, SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES LIKE CLUT AND STUFF ARE HAVING IS THAT, UH, A LOT OF THEIR HOTELS HAVE, HAVE CHANGED TO EXTENDED STAY.
AND THAT'S A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON YOUR HOT TAX.
JAMES, ARE YOU DOING THIS ON THE CHARTS ON THE HOTEL MOTEL? AM I DOING THE CHARTS? I'M TAKING IT FROM THE SYSTEM.
THIS IS FROM HTL, UH, IT'S COMING FROM THE, UH, ANALYTICS SIDE OF NAVAL.
IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN SHOW WHEN WE SHOW YEAR TO DATE? WE'RE SHOWING EACH YEAR.
CAN WE, ON THE, ON THE CURRENT YEAR, I, I HAVE A REPORT THAT I CAN DRIVE.
CAN WE SHOW THE, HOW WE COMPARE TO BUDGET? YES, SIR.
SO THEN WE CAN ANSWER, COUNCILMAN, THERE'S THAT ONE THAT I ACTUALLY TAKE TO THE MOTEL HOTEL MEETING AND SO I CAN PROVIDE THAT.
THAT'D PROBABLY BE BETTER FORM.
'CAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD HELP MONTHLY.
I'LL START ADDING THAT REPORT IN.
AND THEN WE GOT THE GOVERNMENT BONDS.
THERE WASN'T A LOT OF ACTIVITY FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER.
UM, SAL REALLY DIDN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY AT HIS HOUSE, SO HE COULDN'T DO A LOT OF THAT FOR US.
OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE FINISHED OUT THE YEAR IN, IN RELATION TO THE BUDGET WHERE WE NEEDED TO.
IT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE BORROWED AGAINST THEIR OWN FUNDS AND FEMA AND TDO GET OUR MONEY BACK, WILL BE IN GOOD SHAPE.
AND R OWES ME LUNCH IF I CAN GET ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS SO JAMES CAN GET LUNCH? SEE? ALL RIGHT.
Y'ALL HAVE A GREAT, LET'S SEE YOU IN A, IN A QUARTER.
TAKE 'EM TO SOMEPLACE GOOD WITH LACK, I GUESS.
NOW WE KNOW HOW TO GET STAFF REPORTS DONE QUICKER.
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OKAY.UH, LET'S SEE WHERE, OKAY, HERE WE GO.
[8. Staff Updates]
STAFF, UH, UPDATES.YEAH, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO RELAY, UM, WE DO MEET EVERY OTHER WEEK WITH, UH, VMA.
WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW, BUT IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE, UM, THE CITY'S RECEIVED NOTIFICATION FROM THE STATE THAT THE, THE GOVERNOR HAS AGREED TO COVER OUR PORTION FOR DEBRIS.
SO THE AMOUNT, MUCH ALL OF IT.
SO THE, UM, THE 5.4 MILLION, UM, OUR SHARE OF 1.2 MILLION, UM, THAT IF IT'S APPROVED AND AGREED ON BY FEMA, THE STATE SAYS THAT THEY WILL COVER THAT, THAT 25%.
SO WE WILL BE MADE HOLD ON THE DEBRIS.
AND THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT, UH, COST THAT WE WERE HAVING TO THINK THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE TO PASS THAT ON TO THE RATE PAYERS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS.
UH, SO THAT COMES, SO WHY DO YOU DO THAT? UM, I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF STEPPING INTO THE SOLID WASTE FUND.
SO I'M THINKING NEXT YEAR YOU'RE GONNA SEE A TIPPING FEE INCREASE.
WE'LL SEE A TIPPING FEE INCREASE.
I THINK IT'S 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SMALLER COMMUNITIES, RIGHT.
THAT DID, THAT DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY THAT WE HAD TO BORROW FROM OURSELVES.
I STILL HAVE NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHAT TIPPING FEE IS.
TO ME, A TIPPING FEE IS LIKE A TIPPING FEE.
YOU GO SOMEPLACE TIP FOR JOB, YOU DUMP YOUR, SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TRAILERS WHAT A TIPPING FEE IS.
I JUST, YEAH, THE WHOLE THING.
YOU TIP YOUR TRAILER EVERY COUNCILMAN DUMPING FEE.
YOU ARE TAKING IT TO THE DUMP, WHICH IS THE LANDFILL.
THE STATE COLLECTS A TIPPING FEE BECAUSE THE STATE THAT WON, I THINK DOLLAR 50 OR SOMETHING, THEY STILL CHARGE.
THAT'S HOW STATE FUND THE SOLID WASTE.
AND THAT MONEY GOES TO THE COS OR HGSC.
AND THAT'S HOW THEY RUN THEIR SOLID WASTE PROGRAM.
TIPPING FEE IS ACTUALLY PAID TO THE STATE.
WELL, NOT A PORTION, A PORTION OF IT, A PORTION OF IT GOES TO THE STATE.
I GUESS TRAFFIC LINES AND ALL THAT.
MOSTLY IT GOES TO THE STATE, YOU KNOW, CITY SMALL PORTION.
I ALWAYS, IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FREE.
YOU, THEY, THEY CHARGE YOU, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING.
YOU WRITE, THEY COLLECT THE FEES.
WE ALSO HAVE ADVERTISED, UM, THE RFQB, I'M SORRY, RFP FOR, UM, UH, OUR CONSULTANT, UH, BECAUSE OUR CONTRACT WITH, UM, OUR CURRENT ONE ENDS, YOU KNOW, HAD A A 90 DAY, UH, PERIOD.
UM, AND OUR RESPONSE WILL BE MUCH LONGER.
THE GOAL THOUGH IS WITH OUR CURRENT CONTRACT IS TO HAVE OUR SUBMITTAL END FOR CATEGORIES A AND B ARE, UM, THE LONG-TERM PROJECTS LIKE THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STUFF, UH, THE CATEGORIES C THROUGH G WOULD BE WHATEVER CONSULTANT WE HAVE ARE ARE THE SAME ONE.
WHOEVER WE RESPONDS AND WE SELECT WILL WORK REALLY WILL CONCENTRATE ON CC THROUGH G ITEMS. AM I MISSING ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE STORM, ERIC? THAT'S GOOD NEWS THOUGH.
AND THE OTHER ITEM, CHARLIE CHIPPER, UM, I'M GOING TO LET LAURA MARIE SPEAK OF THAT.
SHE WAS SURPRISED THAT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA, BUT SHE REQUESTED THAT IT WOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.
UP TO THE MIC SO WE CAN HEAR YOU.
WE DONATED THE ORIGINAL CHARLIE TRIPPER COSTUME TO THE LAKE JACKSON HISTORICAL ASSOCIATION.
SO IF YOU SEE IT IN THE MUSEUM ONE NIGHT LOOKING AT YOU, UM, NOW THEY HAVE A RUG.
NOW THEY HAVE A GOT A BEAR RUG.
WE TRIED TO DONATE GLEN JONES.
TROS GET DISNEY TO DO US ANOTHER TRO TROPICS.
UH, ANY KIND OF, UH, ACTIONS OUT OF TONIGHT? UH, WE WILL DO A TERMINATION LETTER TO CNG PARTNERS AND MS. RUSSELL WILL COME UP WITH WORDING TO SOLVE ALL OUR CAT PROBLEMS. THAT'S RIGHT.
[9. Construction Updates]
CONSTRUCTION UPDATES.ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR QUESTIONS? DEMAND DID RE OFFER YOU LUNCH? EVERYONE? DID RIA OFFER YOU LUNCH? NO.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OF THE PROJECTS, ANYTHING.
SO STREET PROJECT, UH, HOW'S IT GOING AND
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STUFF? THE, THE MAJOR BOND PROJECT IS, UH, THE MAJOR, WELL, IT'S, IT IS GOING WELL.WHERE'S IT AT? 90%, 50% DONE? NO, NO, NOT, NOT QUITE THAT GOOD.
UH, NO, THEY, THEY FINISHED, OR AT LEAST THEY'RE FINISHING OUT ON THE MAJOR ARTERY THERE, WHICH IS UH, SYCAMORE AND THEY STARTED PART OF THE PIN OAK PORTION OF THAT.
SO, AND THE PIN OAK CORD AREA.
BUT THAT FIRST PORTION AND THE WEATHER JUST DIDN'T WORK.
HAVE WE HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OVER THE LAST CLOSURE THAT WE HAD TO DO? NO, WE HAVE NOT.
NO, WE HAVE NOT SURPRISINGLY, THEY'VE BEEN VERY PATIENT.
THOSE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT, SO THAT'S GOOD.
YOU GUYS DID A GOOD JOB COMMUNICATING FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
UH, I GUESS THAT WORKS A LITTLE BIT.
YEAH, IT PROBABLY ALSO HELPS THAT WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR HOOD REPRESENTATIVE
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
INTERESTS, MR. BUELL? NO, SIR.MR. HANYA, JUST A FEW ITEMS. UH, ONE OF THE ITEMS, UH, NOTICE, YOU KNOW, SINCE UH, HURRICANE BARRELL, THE CANOPY IS GONE OFF THE, UH, GAS STATION ON PIXIE DRIVE ACROSS FROM THE BRA HIGH SCHOOL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANKS, FUEL TANKS ARE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.
I DUNNO IF YOU CAN CHECK WITH, UH, DCQ OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T, YEAH, THEY'VE, THEY HAVEN'T SOLD GAS IN A LONG TIME OUT THERE.
SO WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT BECOMES THE CITY, CITY LIBRARY DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I WONDER THEY'VE GOT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YEARS BEFORE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED, ISN'T IT? WILL MR. GAS STATION, UNDERGROUND GAS STATIONS, IS THERE A IT HAS TO BE SO MANY YEARS.
THEY HAVE SO MANY YEARS THAT OF NOT BEING USED OR SOMETHING SOLD GAS.
THEY HAVEN'T SOLD GAS IN YEARS NOW IN YEARS.
SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE A GAS STATION ANYMORE, BUT YEAH, THE BARREL BLOWING.
I WOULD LIKE JUST LIKE TO SPEAK TO THAT JUST FOR A QUICK MOMENT.
UH, A DRIVE THROUGH THE AREA QUICK MOMENT SHOWS THAT UH, THEY HAVE ACTUALLY INSTALLED NEW PUMPS AT THAT LOCATION.
SO I UNDERSTAND AND I'LL VERIFY WITH THEM AGAIN.
I WILL VERIFY WITH THEM TOMORROW OKAY.
UH, TO SEE WHAT THE INTENT IS.
BUT, UH, THE, THE CANOPY'S GONE, BUT IT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY MAY, THEY MAY BE GETTING BACK INTO THE GAS BUSINESS.
AND ALSO THE UH, STATE HAS NOT TEX, GOD HAS NOT PUT BACK THE, UH, ENGINE BRAKE, NO ENGINE BRAKE SIGNS ON BRAKE A LETTER.
AND THERE'S ALSO A SPEED LIMIT SIGN AND A NO TRUCK SIGN ON THE NORTH Y POND COMING OFF OF 2004 LAYING ON THE GROUND THAT THE MOWERS OR SOMEBODY HAD KNOCKED THEM DOWN.
IS THAT ERIC? THAT MAY BE ONE OF THE SIGNS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS STILL THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT BACK UP FROM THE HURRICANE.
THIS IS NOT FROM THE HURRICANE.
AND IT'S ON, UH, NORTH
AND, UH, THERE'S A STREET SIGN, UH, IN FRONT OF, UH, ON OUR CREEK DRIVE IN FRONT OF, UH, THE OLD STANLEY, UH, FOOD KING PARKING LOT THAT'S, UH, DOWN AND LAYING DOWN IN THE GRASS IN THE FOOD KING PARKING LOT RIGHT OUTSIDE, RIGHT, RIGHT OUTSIDE IN FRONT OF IT.
I JUST NOTICED THAT, UH, YESTERDAY SOMEBODY DECIDED TO TAKE IT OUT.
ALRIGHT, MR. BARDOS, JUST PLEASE EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD, UH, HALLOWEEN AND BE SAFE.
AND WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING AND ALL THAT'S GONNA BE WATCH OUT FOR KIDS.
IT'S GONNA BE NO MOON AND THE SKY'S GONNA BE DARK.
JUST TAKE, UH, SPOOKY TAKE EXTRA KIDS.
WHICH IS FUN, BUT THAT'LL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, OOH.
UH, TWO QUICK THINGS, JUST AS WE ADDRESS IN THE BEGINNING OF COUNCIL MEETING IS OCTOBER BREAST CANCER AWARENESS.
UM, JUST REITERATE THAT EARLY DETECTION, UH, INCREASES, UH, GOOD OUTCOMES SUBSTANTIALLY.
SO LADIES, PLEASE GO GET YOUR SUPER IMPORTANT.
UH, THE OTHER THING A LADY BUCKS WATER POLO TEAM IS GOING TO STATE.
SO, UM, THEY'RE RANKED, I THINK LIKE NUMBER SIX IN THE COUNTRY.
AND, UH, SO GOOD LUCK FROM CITY COUNCIL.
UH, I HEARD THAT Y'ALL HAD A GREAT UH, UH, SHREDDING AND SHRED DAY.
AND UH, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE? UH, WHAT ELSE? THERE WAS, UH,
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WAS SOMETHING ELSE, BUT ANYWAY, ALSO IT IS CHECK HERITAGE MONTH.ON YOUR MODESTO, ON THAT NOTE, R'S TAKING US ALL.
I HAVE, UH, RIA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, SIR.
WELL, WE'LL MAKE SURE WE'LL HAVE COLCHIS THE NEXT MEETING.
WHEN DO WE SHIP? GET THE REAL K
GO TO DANBURY, GO TO THE, YEAH, THE TWO LADIES THERE.
WHAT'S TOOK DOWN? WHAT'S THAT CHIEF? WERE WE MISSING A TEXAS FLAG AT THE PGA? OH YEAH, WE TOOK IT DOWN 'CAUSE IT WAS TORN UP.
THAT'S WHAT I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING IN STOCK? WE'RE WORKING ON THAT.
BUSTER SENT ME A, A TEXT ABOUT IT AND HE SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE, THE FLAGS OVER THERE? AND I LOOKED AT THE PICTURE AND, UH, FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS THEY WERE ON THE WRONG SIDE, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE CAMERA STUFF DOES.
BUT ANYWAY, I GOTTA LOOK AT, AND THE STAR WAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS BEEN WATCHING, BUT IT REALLY LOOKED FUNKY THE WAY, THE IMPRESSIONS THAT YOU LOOKED AT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE.
SO I CALLED THE CHIEF AND SAID, WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE, THE FLAG? YEAH.
LOOKED LIKE STAR DAVID WHEN I SAW IT.
JAMES, CAN YOU CHECK WITH JANICE? WE USUALLY KEEP FLAG FLAGS IN THE YEAH, WE USUALLY KEEP A SPARE TOO.
THE WHITE STAR JUST, IT JUST FELL.
UH, THAT CAUSED THE END OF THE MEETING.