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THEN CAN THAT FIRST YEAR, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU CAN COMPUTER SCIENTIFIC PROFESSION, BUT YOU HAVE THAT DEGREE TO CALL BACK.[2. WORKSHOP 6:30 PM – DISCUSS FUTURE BOND PROJECTS FOR ROAD REPAIR, THOROUGHFARE SIDEWALKS, FACILITIES AND DRAINAGE.]
THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.INFORMATION, INFORMATION OUT TO US SO WE CAN, UH, GIVE US SOME STUFF TO THINK ABOUT.
UH, AGAIN, THIS IS INFORMATIONAL.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY DECISION FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT, IS IT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE'RE JUST GONNA PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT FOR YOU.
WE'VE KIND OF BROKEN THE, UH, PRESENTATION INTO TWO HALVES.
UH, THE FIRST HALF IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECTS OF JUST WHAT STAFF IS, UH, PROPOSING IN DIFFERENT FORMATS.
AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO, UH, KIND OF THE FINANCIAL, UH, UH, SCENARIOS, WHICH I KIND OF ALLUDED TO A LITTLE BIT IN MY MANAGER LETTER, UH, YESTERDAY.
UH, BUT I DIDN'T TOUCH ON REALLY ON THE PROJECTS IN DETAILS.
SO REALLY THE FIRST HALF IS JUST, YOU KNOW, STAFF GOING THROUGH THERE AND THEN ASKING THEM ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO, I GUESS WE'LL PROBABLY START ON STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
I'LL LET SAL, SAL AND NICOLE TALK ABOUT THIS.
I'LL, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND START.
UM, DO YOU HAVE A MIND? YES, SIR.
RE IS ON MEDICATION RIGHT NOW THAT THE NUMBERS MIND.
HE'S GONNA LAUGH WHEN THROW BIG NUMBERS OUT.
WE'RE GONNA LET R GO BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINANCE SECTION 'CAUSE HE'LL ASK FOR 50 OR 60 MINUTES.
WHAT WE DID, MARYLAND CITY COUNCIL, WE LAST BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, WE HAD PRESENTED YOU THAT RAS STUDY, WHICH IS WE WENT THROUGH THE MAJOR
SO WHATEVER THE NUMBER ZERO 70, UH, WE PICKED UP THOSE PANELS, WHICH COMES TO ABOVE 420 PANELS.
AND WE COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE AND PLUS WE ADDED COST ESCALATION.
SO THAT'S, YOU SEE THE $8 MILLION IN YOUR STREET PANEL REPLACEMENT.
THIS IS ALL FOR THE MAJOR FLOOR, UH, WHICH IS, YOU CAN SEE THE STREETS CENTER WHERE THEY GROWTH.
AND IT HAS A SECTION OF THE PANEL.
WHEN WE GO ON CONSTRUCTION, WE MIGHT ADD ONE, WE MIGHT DELETE ONE, BUT THIS IS SO FAR BASED ON THE
SO THIS IS BASED ON THE ASSESSMENT THAT WE
SO THEY ONLY DROVE ONE LANE ON EACH STREET.
SO HOW WERE YOU COUNTING FOR THE OTHER LANE THAT THEY DID NOT DRIVE THROUGH? THEY, THEY DROVE ONE LANE, BUT THEY, THEY BEAT THE ASSESSMENT.
SO THIS IS A PRETTY, I MEAN IT'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT ACCURATE, BUT IT IS A, BASED ON THE STATISTICAL, WE FEEL LIKE WITH 420 PANEL PLUS WE ALREADY TAKING CARE OF, WITH THE $1.5 MILLION, WE ALREADY TAKING CARE OF SOUND LAST YEAR.
WE ALSO TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THOSE STREETS.
MY CONCERN WAS THEY DROVE THE OUTSIDE LANES IN, IN OUR STREETS DUE TO THE TREES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE, THE MORE ISSUES WERE ON THE INSIDE LANE.
AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION DURING THAT TIME THAT, UH, WHAT THEY, WHY THEY DECIDE ON COUNCILMAN.
WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY, UH, NICOLE AND THE STREET SUPERINTENDENT OR THE STREET FOREMAN WALKED ALL OF THOSE, ALL THOSE LOCATIONS.
WAS SIDE WORST CASE SAYING IS THAT 81 FOR EXAMPLE, NO POND, THE 81 THAT YOU HAVE THERE, THAT'S NOT CALCULATED FROM DRIVING THE RIGHT HAND LANE.
IT'S NOT, WE HAD A BUNCH OF DATA AND RIO WANTED US TO SIMPLIFY IT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE, UM, BEFORE WE CHANGE, I LIKE THE, UH, FIVE YEAR INFLATION NUMBER FOR TWO THINGS.
ONE THING IS IT SHOWS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS TODAY, IT PROBABLY TAKE US FIVE YEARS TO DO ALL THESE.
AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF WHERE THE NUMBERS MIGHT GO TO.
BUT IT ALSO GIVES YOU AN IDEA IS THAT IF WE, AT THE END OF THE, TONIGHT, TOMORROW WHEN WE COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN, SAY, LET'S NOT DO IT THIS YEAR.
OKAY, IT'S GONNA COST YOU $2 MILLION MORE.
DO THE STREETS IF YOU WAIT FIVE YEARS TO DO THIS.
ONE MORE THING TO KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, THAT THE CONTRACTORS HAVE A HABIT OF TAKING THE MONEY, WHATEVER YOU ALLOCATED THE BUDGET FOR.
SO IF WE HAVE A HIGHER INFLATION COST INCLUDED IN THAT, THEY'LL BE READY TO TAKE THE MONEY FROM
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YOU.SO MAYBE THAT'S PERHAPS THE TRIGGER SHOULD BE OUR BACK POCKET AND NOT PUBLISH THAT TO THE CONTRACTORS.
YOU SAY ON A BID, UM, WE TRY, WE TRY TO GIVE THEM ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, UH, UH, FOR THE BUDGET.
SO IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T INCLUDE THE INFLATION FACTOR.
UH, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE DID THESE EARLY, WE WOULD GIVE OUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE SEEING ON COST AND, AND WE PUBLISH THAT.
THE ONE THING ALSO IN THE INFLATION FACTOR, UH, IS THAT USUALLY ON A FIVE YEAR, YOU CAN TAKE ONE YEAR OFF AUTOMATICALLY, BECAUSE WE'RE GIVING YOU THE NUMBER TODAY, IT'LL BE A YEAR BEFORE WE HAVE THE MONEY IN THE BANK.
THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE HAVE THE MONEY.
ONE YEAR AUTOMATICALLY YOU LOSE ONE YEAR.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTERS IN MAY.
YOU TRY TO SELL, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA ENGINEER IT.
AND WE WOULD PROBABLY, IF WE GOT, IF WE, IF THE VOTERS APPROVED IT IN MAY, I'D PROBABLY BE ASKING YOU FOR ADVANCED FUNDING.
WE WOULD PROBABLY, UH, UH, TO START ENGINEERING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE ON THIS.
SO WE WOULD, SO THIS SOON AS WE GOT IN THE BANK, WE'RE BID IN JANUARY.
ONE THING I'D LIKE FOR US TO GET BETTER AT IS, UH, WHEN WE'LL GO OUT FOR VOTERS AND GET BONDS APPROVED IS THAT WE DO THE PROJECTS QUICKLY.
SO WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT WE WENT TO THE VOTERS SIX YEARS TO SIX YEARS AGO.
THAT'S, UH, THAT PEOPLE FORGET.
THEY FORGET THAT THEY APPROVED IT OR WHATEVER.
AND MAYOR, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AS SOON AS IF THE BORDERS APPROVED AND THE COUNCIL, FIRST OF ALL, IF YOU GUYS APPROVE, WE PROBABLY WILL DIVIDE THESE PROJECTS IN THREE DIFFERENT CONTRACTS.
HIRE THREE DIFFERENT ENGINEER HAS THREE PACKAGE SO IT CAN MOVE FASTER IN ONE OF COURSE YOU WILL GET SOME COMPLAINT BECAUSE THE WHOLE CITY IS ON CONSTRUCTION.
WE RATHER GET THOSE CONSTRUC THOSE COMPLETELY CONSTRUCTION.
I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, AND I REALIZE WE HAVE TO STAGE THINGS AND IT'S SOMETIMES THE STAGING GETS VERY FAR GOING UP JUST BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, WHEN WE GO TO THE VOTERS EARLY ON TO, TO ME MAYBE IT'S BETTER IF IT'S GONNA BE A LONG DRAWN OUT, UH, SELLING OF THE BONDS IS THAT WE BREAK IT INTO CHUNKS AND GO TO THE VOTERS AT DIFFERENT PERIODS INSTEAD.
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE SLEEPY HOLLOW AND OVER THERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THIS, WE, WE APPROVED ON THIS BOND.
YOU'RE JUST NOW GETTING TO IT.
IT'S LIKE WE WANTED IT YESTERDAY.
HOW LONG DID THE ENGINEERING TAKE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS? TYPICALLY, THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF PROJECT, IT IS NOT A COMPLEX PROJECT AND IT'S JUST PRIMARILY A MATTER OF SURVEY.
THE IN THERE AND OF COURSE MAPPING IT AND THERE.
SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE, UH, THESE PROJECTS TAKING MORE, IF YOU DIVIDE UP INTO MILLION DOLLAR INCREMENTS, UH, OR MORE, YOU KNOW, EVERY, FOR EVERY MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS, YOU'D PROBABLY BE, PROBABLY BE PROBABLY ABOUT THREE TO FIVE, THREE TO SIX MONTHS OF DECENT TIME.
WHY CAN'T WE GO AHEAD AND START ENGINEERING NOW? BECAUSE I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE WE DUNNO THAT, CAN WE DO THAT? SO WE HAVE TO, WHEN WE, SO USUALLY ON A PROJECT PROJECTS IS LARGE, WE CAN BORROW FROM OURSELVES KNOWING THAT THE MONEY'S APPROVED, KNOWING THAT WE'RE GONNA BE REPAID FUNDS.
BUT IF YOU START NOW, DON APPROVE IT, THEN WE JUST, IT IT CAN BE DONE.
IT'S A VERY BIG RISK, BUT WE CAN'T, BUT WE CAN DO THAT ONCE.
YES, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND THAT JUNE 1ST WE CAN START SIGNING.
WE WOULD, WE, WELL WE CAN'T SIGN CONTRACTS.
WE STILL HAVE TO GO OUT FOR, UH, RFI FOR ENGINEERING.
BUT WE CAN PROBABLY START THAT PROBABLY PRE PRIOR.
BUT, BUT PART OF THAT, YOU WOULD JUST, UH, PRE-APPROVE THE FUNDING KNOWING THAT YOU GET PAID BACK.
YOU WOULDN'T GO SELL THE BONDS.
SOME OF 'EM YOU WOULD SELL THE BONDS.
SO YOU CAN DO THE ENGINEERING, BUT THEN YOU, HOW WOULD YOU DO THAT? WE CASH FLOW, WE BORROW AGAINST CERTAIN OURSELVES AND THEN WE REPAIR OURSELVES BACK.
SO WE LOG DOWN OUR FUND BALANCE AND AS SOON AS WE GET THE MONEY IN DECEMBER, WE PREPARE OURSELVES BACK.
IF WE THOUGHT WE WERE HEARING GOOD THINGS, WE MAYBE STARTED RFQ IN APRIL, YOU KNOW, FOR DESIGN ENGINEERING TO GET THE RESPONSE.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING ENGINEERING FIRMS, UH, AFTER THE ELECTION AND THEN WE'RE SIGNING CONTRACTS, START DECIDE.
SO PICK UP, YOU KNOW, IF WE START THAT PROCESS, WE PROBABLY PICK UP FIVE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS THAN WE
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NORMALLY DO.ARE WE USING THE SAME CONTRACTORS? THEY'RE ALL GOOD.
WELL, I MEAN, HISTORICALLY THEY'VE BEEN, WE'VE HAD LIKE THREE OR FOUR CONTRACTORS THAT HAVE BID.
ON THEIR, BUT THEY USUALLY LIKE WHAT WE DID PS A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
ISN'T IT THE SAME GUY THAT USUALLY GETS, GETS THE BID? UH, WHO GOT THE LAST BID ITSELF? THE LAST BID IS NO, UH, FOR CONSTRUCTION.
WAS IT MAT? OH, FOR CONSTRUCTION? YES.
IT'S BEEN, IT IS HGI BUT DID THE LAST SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I SEE IS MATATUS DOING IT.
THAT'S WHAT, NO, HH UH, JUST, UH, I, ONE THING I LIKE ABOUT PATENT IS AGAIN, UH, SAL, WHEN WE PUT A PANEL IN, WE'RE NOT PUTTING THIS PANEL BACK TO THE ORIGINAL GRADING THE ROAD.
SO THE MAJORITY OF THESE 81 PANELS IS $1.2 MILLION IS A MANDATE THAT'S GONNA GET RIPPED OUT.
BUT IF WE GO BACK, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
WE MAY COME BACK IN PROPOSE BLACKTOP IF COUNCIL'S OKAY WITH THIS THAT'S ALL OVER THE TOWN.
WE MAY RECOMMEND IN A CERTAIN SECTION OF REPLACING ALL THE PANELS THAT THEN THE BASE IS GOOD.
AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT DOING A CAP OF ASPHALT, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THAT ROAD.
BUT THAT WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT POSSIBILITY.
BUT THAT'S A DISTINCT POSSIBILITY I HAVE.
IF WE DO THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON THE ROAD, WHAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION? LET'S JUST TAKE YOU UPON FOR EXISTENCE.
HOW FAR BACK? I MEAN AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE'D HAVE TO REPLACE THE ROAD.
DOES THIS GIVE US ANOTHER 10 YEARS, 15 YEARS, YOU THINK? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE STUFF THEY USED ON TWO FOUR BLACK ASPHALT AS THAT'S WHAT I, AFTER THE PANEL, THE, IT ALL DEPENDS WHETHER OR NOT, BECAUSE YOU'RE THINKING THAT LIKE 2004 YOU'RE THINKING OF AN ASPHALT OVERLAY OVER A CONCRETE, WHETHER IT'S PATCH OR NOT, IT'S GONNA, IS GONNA, YOU KNOW, CREATE A, A PROTECT OR PROVIDE YOU WITH A BETTER LONG LASTING VALUE.
THE ASPHALT CAP WILL BE PRONE TO A LOT OF CRACKING.
IT'S GONNA TO REFLECT EVERYTHING THAT CRACKS UNDERNEATH THERE AND REFLECT UP THERE, UP TO THE SURFACE THERE AND THEN BECOME A PROBLEM.
AGAIN, THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM WITH ASPHALT.
SO YES, I MEAN YOU HAVE A BETTER BASE.
WE'VE GOT A CONCRETE BASE, BUT THAT CONCRETE BASE IS ALREADY, UH, DEFECTED ALREADY HAVE A PROBLEM.
AGAIN, THE 81 PANELS IS TO STABILIZE THE ROAD TO HOPEFULLY MAKE, GIVE US LONGER PERIOD OF TIME FOR THE ROAD TO, TO STAY OPERATIONAL.
IF YOU DON'T PUT THE 81 PANELS IN THERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THOSE 81 PANELS ARE GONNA FAIL FURTHER AND THAT MIGHT CAUSE MORE FAILURES ON THE ROAD.
SO THE 81 IS BASICALLY TO STOP THE BLEEDING AND, YOU KNOW, STOP THOSE, THOSE PANELS ARE STILL MOVING.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT LISTED THEY'RE, THEY'RE EITHER BUSTED AWAY OR THEY'RE STILL MOVING.
SO, AND THE REST OF THE PANELS ARE GOOD ENOUGH, THEY'RE NOT MOVING.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BEING TOLD BY THE, THE ENGINEERS.
SO THE 81 PANELS STABILIZE THE ROAD.
YES, IT'S STILL GONNA BE A ROLLERCOASTER, BUT IT'S HOPEFULLY NOT GONNA FAIL QUICKLY.
YOU MEAN ROLLERCOASTERS NOT A PROBLEM.
TO ME, THE STREETS THAT ARE IN CONDITION AND THEY TEAR OF THE PEOPLE'S VEHICLES, THE TIRES, THE CURTAIN.
THAT'S THE MOST PROBLEM FOR ME.
LAKE ROAD IS NOT A PROBLEM BECAUSE YES, IT HAS BITS IN IT, BUT IT'S SMOOTH.
YOU NOT TURNING UP YOUR TIRES.
THERE ARE SOME CHUNKS OF LAKE ROAD THERE SOME CHUNKS THERE.
BUT WASH TREE DRIVES, YOU KNOW, THE SIDE IS FAILING AND UH, YOUR BOND AND SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS, YOU ARE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU RUN OVER THOSE THINGS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOSING CONTROL OF YOUR
AND, AND I LIKE YOUR IDEA ABOUT ONLY TAKING CHUNKS AT A TIME, BUT THEN LONG TERM IT BECOMES THE PROBLEM.
'CAUSE TODAY YOU GO FOR A BOND ELECTION AND THEY DECIDE, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THESE STREETS, BUT THEN SOME STREETS THAT I MAY WANT OR SOMEBODY ELSE MAY WANT THAT KNOCK.
AND DOWN THE ROAD YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT, UH, BUSINESS, FOR INSTANCE
SO THEN WHICH ONES YOU DO FIRST AND WHICH ONES YOU WAIT ON
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BECOMES A DON'T YOU REFER TO THE STUDY THAT WE PAID FOR AT THAT POINT, KIND OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION? YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, ANYTHING CAN CHANGE.I MEAN, COUNCILS CHANGE THE WAY IT CITIZENS, BUT THAT, THAT GETS BACK TO THE POLITICS OF IT.
IS IS THAT YOU, YES, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN, EVEN ON THIS LIST HERE, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO AND SAY, WELL WHAT ABOUT THIS STREET? THIS STREET? YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ON COUNCIL MIGHT SAY, WELL I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WILLING TO DRIVE, WE NEED TO DO THIS OTHER ROAD.
AND UH, I MEAN SOMEWHERE YOU GOTTA DRAW A LINE AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO DO.
AND THAT NEXT ROUND, THE NEXT ROUND WE'LL PICK UP WHAT WE, WHAT WE CAN.
HELP ME UNDERSTAND ON WILL OF 26 AND A HALF, IS THAT A HALF OF THE TOWN HALL? THAT, THAT UH, YEAH, WHEN WE DROVE OUT THERE, LIKE SOMETIMES YOU CAN SAVE HALF OF IT AND SAW CUT IT.
SO IF HALF OF IT'S SAILING YOU CAN SAW CUT RIGHT THERE AND THEN CUT.
SO WHY IS WALNUT ONLY THREE? UH, HAVE WE DONE SOME WORK ON WALNUT ALREADY AND YOU HAVE, THERE WAS 81 ON YON AND YOU HAVE WALNUT? WELL, WALNUT, REMEMBER WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF REPAIR, A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION ALONG WALNUT THROUGH.
AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S NOW.
AND OF COURSE THE OTHER ONES, THE ONES HAVE BEEN THERE LOT.
AND THIS WAS THE ONLY WALLET'S A IS CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, ANTERIAL, UM, ON THEIR LIST.
SO BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
SO IT DIDN'T STUDY EVERY STREET IN TOWN.
IT WAS JUST THE MAIN THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
AGAIN, STEPH, I MEAN STEPH KNOWS THIS IS NOT, I MEAN, IF WE COULD DO IT RIGHT, WE WOULD, IF WE WOULD REPLACE
WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU GUYS, BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLAINTS I GET, I GET CALLS ON OR EMAILS ON IS, IS THE CONDITION OF LAKE ROAD NORTH
MEDICAL TRIAL THIRD, YOU KNOW, SO THE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER ONES ARE, YOU KNOW, AND UH, THIS IS THIS WAY IS THE ONE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY 2004, RIGHT? YES.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THE SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING.
AND THAT'S THE ONE I HATE SPENDING MONEY ON
THAT'S THE ONE NOW HE ROAD, RIGHT? NO MEDICAL DRIVE, BUT UH, THIS WAY I THINK THAT ROAD OUGHT TO BE TURNED INTO A TWO LANE ROAD.
I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING THAT FOR A LONG TIME.
PUT THAT PIECE OF ROAD ON A DOCK, RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, SHUT DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, SHUT DOWN TWO LANES AND SEE HOW, HOW TRAFFIC FLOWS AFTER THOSE HOUSES.
THAT'S THE PART, THAT'S THE PIECE THAT I I I DON'T REALLY WANNA SPEND, I PREFER NOT TO SPEND MONEY ON, BUT BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ALL OUT OF TOWNERS.
IT'S NOT MY HOUSE HERE, MY BACK FENCE THIS WAY, RIGHT BEHIND IT DOWN SIX 30 TO ABOUT EIGHT.
IT'S USED FROM OUT TOWN THEN IT COMING BACK FROM WORK TIME.
IT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE, ESPECIALLY STARTING FROM PLUG ON.
THEY COULD PROBABLY BE ONE THING ON EACH SIDE.
16, 14, 16 FEET WIDE THAT YEAH, THAT.
BUT IF THAT WOULD STILL TAKE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CHANGE IF WE REDID IT TO THAT, WELL MIGHT JUST BLOCK IT OFF, YOU KNOW, AND THIS FAILING SECTION'S PROBABLY ON THE MIDDLE.
THE OUTER LANES PROBABLY ARE FAILING.
I HAVEN'T DRIVEN THAT UP IN A LONG TIME.
BUT I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD, I WOULD CUT IT DOWN TO TWO LANES AND SEE HOW THE TRAFFIC FLOWS AND 'CAUSE THE, THE SLOWING FACTOR FOR THAT ROAD IS NOT THAT, IT'S TWO LANES OF FOUR LANES THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
YOU CAN HAVE 15 LANES FEEDING IT AND YOU STILL HAVE ONE TRAFFIC LIGHT.
SO, OR JUST RETRIP IT AND TAKE THE LANE OUT OF THE MIDDLE.
OUTTA BOX STUFF THAT'S JUST GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE.
I MEAN THAT'S, I MEAN I'M OKAY WITH THE ALLOCATED 57.
A BIG PORTION OF THIS IS BEING CAPTURED BY THE 1.5 MILLION PROJECT THAT'S IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S THAT SECTION FROM PLUM CIRCLE TO THE INTERSECTION OF LAKE ROAD THAT'S GONNA BE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE OUTBOUND SIDE, ON THE INBOUND SIDE THAT'S CAPTURED IN THIS.
AND THEN FROM THE SUBDIVISIONS OUT TO 2000 OR TO 3 32 OR 2004.
SO THE SIX, SO HERE FROM, SO I'M GONNA HEAR FROM YOU.
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GOES ALL THE WAY TO 33 32? YES.YEAH, YOU ALL THE WAY RIGHT THERE BY 3 32 ALL THE WAY.
NOT FROM LAKE ROAD, NO HIGHWAY.
CAN YOU BREAK THAT OUT TO, I HAVE IT RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT, WHAT IS IT FROM 3 32 TO LAKE ROAD? UM, GIVE ME A MOMENT.
THERE'S 11 FROM PLUM CIRCLE TO LAKE ROAD.
SO 11 OF THOSE ARE WITHIN THE SECTION BY THE SUBDIVISION, THE REMAINDERS ALL BETWEEN THE SUBDIVISION AND THE SCOOT DOWN.
I CAN TELL YOU FROM LAKE ROAD TO 2004, WHOLE LOT WORSE THAN LAKE ROAD TO THE HIGHWAY.
THAT OUT TOWN OR SO WE CAN SAFELY SAY THAT.
HUH? THAT 6 35, THE MAJORITY OF IT IS GOING TO 2000.
UH, YEAH, 166,000 WOULD BE THE SUBDIVISION SIDE.
DO A MAP, STREET MAP OF EACH OF THOSE 12.
SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I WE WE CAN BRIDGE YOU A BIGGER ONE.
BUT IT JUST HIGHLIGHTS THE ROAD.
IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A BREAKOUT BY, AND WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE IF YOU WANNA LOOK AT THE, THE HEAT MAP FOR WHERE THE SPOT PANELS WERE, BUT WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING SINCE SOME OF THAT WAS ALREADY IN THE 1.5.
I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T NEED IT.
JUST IF COUNCIL, IF IT HEALTH COUNCIL THEN THAT'S OKAY.
BUT IF MEAN, IF WE KNEW THAT 400,000 COULD BE SHAVED OFF OF THIS WAY FROM PLUM TO 2004, COUNSEL WOULD NOT BE ADVERSE TO THAT.
I NOT AND I REALLY AM ASKING YOU WHY COULDN'T WE RETRIP THAT ROAD AND MAKE THE LANE, MAKE IT ONE LANE AND TAKE THE BEST PART OF THE, THE ROAD, THE LANE, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I DUNNO.
OVER THE RIVER TO THE WOODS GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE.
I'M SAYING IF YOU'RE FAILING ON BOTH SIDES, STRIP IT DOWN THE DRIVE THAT A LOT OF IT IN THE MIDDLE THOUGH, SAY A LOT OF IT IS THAT'S WHERE THE BAG, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.
I DUNNO, THE ANSWER PAGE'S CHEAPER THAN CONCRETE.
YEAH, IT JUST, THE ONLY THING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S WHITE CONCRETE.
UH, WE'LL LOOK AT IT AND SAVE AND WE'LL MAKE IT A BIKE TRUCK INITIALLY.
WHY WAS IT FROZEN BIKE LANES? DOW, DOW.
DOW HELPED DONATED AND BUILD THAT ROAD.
WHAT DOW DID IS THEY UH, THEY DONATED, THEY DONATED THE RIGHT OF WAY.
WELL YEAH, BECAUSE DOW ON BOTH SIDES, THE ROAD WHERE THEY BURIED, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE COW WITH THE, WITH THE WINDOW THE SIDE NOW THAT, SINCE I'M PICKING THIS, A BIT OF THIS BUT WILLOW DRIVE.
THAT'S DUE TO THE DAMAGE OF THE CONSTRUCTION MOTION.
IS THAT CORRECT OR NO? I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
NO, WE MADE ALL, WE MADE ALL OUR ROAD REPAIRS BECAUSE OF THE UH, THE LIFT STATION.
SO THIS IS NOT LIFT STATION DAMAGE.
I WAS THINKING, I'M SORRY I'M OFF THE BAT.
OH YEAH, NO, THAT'S NOT ON HERE.
BUT BUT WE DON'T HAVE RESEARCH ON HERE.
WE MADE REPAIRS TO RESET, BUT DID WE DO A BIG PORTION IN THE WILL DRY? WE HAVE, WE HAVE, WE DID BECAUSE OF THE UH, LIPSTICK SINK.
AND YEAH, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS RIGHT? IT STILL NEEDS REPAIR.
YEAH, IT STILL NEEDS AREA REPAIR.
YEAH, I MEAN, AND AGAIN, WILLOW'S ONE, I DON'T GET ANY PHONE CALLS.
PROBABLY ONE OF THE OLDEST ROAD AROUND, IF ANY PHONE CALLS I GET A WILLOW DRIVE IS AT THE INTERSECTION OF
BUT LET ME JUST SAY ON BEHALF OF WILLOW RESIDENCE, EVERYTHING
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IS JUST FINE.YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TEARING IT UP AGAIN.
JUST, ALRIGHT, WELL IF WE CAN GO, IF WE DO GO FOR A POWER REPLACEMENT WILL LIST THESE STREETS, THAT STUFF.
BUT OURS STAFF'S PROPOSAL WOULD BE, PANEL REPLACEMENTS WOULD BE ONE PROPOSED BOND ISSUE.
WE WON'T HAVE THIS ALL LISTED INDIVIDUALLY.
IT'D JUST BE PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON THOROUGH BEARS AND WE'LL LIST OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IF THERE'S ANY MONEY LEFT OVER, WE'LL ROAR IT THAT WE CAN USE IT THEN ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
BUT THE PRIMARY GOAL IS THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
NOW REMEMBER WE ONLY GOING UP TO SEVEN.
THE OTHER STEEL STREETS KIND OF FAIL BY THE TIME WE FINISHES.
YEAH, WE SCHOOLS OTHER SECTION, RIGHT? I MEAN THE BIG ATTEMPT HERE WAS COUNCIL WAS VERY GENEROUS OF GIVING US MORE FUNDS FOR THE STREET BUDGET.
UH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL 400 ISH THOUSAND.
BUT YOU CAN SEE WE'LL JUST, WE CAN'T MAKE A DENT IN IT WITH OPERATION DOLLARS.
WELL, AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS LIKE, UH, MARIA WAS SAYING THOUGH IS WE ALL, AND AS OTHER COUNCILS COME ON, IS WE NEED TO SHARE WITH THEM IS THAT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS ISN'T THE CIVIL BULLET.
THIS 6 MILLION OR $8 MILLION IS NOT THE CIVIL BULLET.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ROAD REPLACEMENT FROM NEXT 10 YEARS WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER, THIS BOND, THERE'S GONNA BE ANOTHER ONE.
SO IT'S LIKE TAKING THAT, HOPEFULLY WHAT STAFF HAS DONE IS TAKING THAT DATA THAT WE GOT FROM THAT STUDY AND SAYING, OKAY, HERE'S THE CHUNKS THAT WE CAN DO THIS AND WE'RE GONNA DO IT OVER 15 YEARS OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT IS WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
IT'S GONNA TAKE 15 YEARS OR 20 YEARS.
THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO SEPARATE IT OUT AND THAT NEEDS THAT BE THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.
NOW ANOTHER COUNCIL CAN COME IN AND JOIN ALL THAT.
IF I HAD A YOUNGER COUNCIL, I WOULD BE PROPOSING NEW NEW STREETS THAT WOULD LAST THEIR LIFETIME.
BUT THESE LAST, LAST OUR LIFETIME.
ONE THING THAT ABOUT BONDS IN GENERAL, I THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING EXTRA IS WE NEED TO DO MORE EDUCATION ON BONDS IN GENERAL.
PARTICULARLY IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS GONNA BE DOING $160 MILLION BOND.
I THINK FOR SO MANY YEARS EVERYBODY'S BEEN TOLD, OH, THESE BONDS DON'T RAISE YOUR TAX RATE.
THEY DO, THEY DO RAISE YOUR TAX RATE.
BUT WE'VE NEVER SAID THAT WE WE HAVEN'T.
BUT I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL THAT'S THE PUBLIC'S AND SO THAT'S WHY THESE BONDS GET PASSED.
BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT OF EDUCATION AND ALSO ABOUT HOW LAKE JACKSON HAS ALWAYS OPERATED IS THAT A LOT OF TIMES IT DOESN'T AFFECT OUR TECH TAX RATE BECAUSE YOU PAID ONE OFF OR YOU CALLED THE NEXT ONE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL ALWAYS BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
SO WE'RE NOT RUNNING UP AGAINST NOT PASSING.
THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS FIRST BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT THE FINANCING.
BECAUSE YOU GUYS MAY WANNA SHAVE BACK AFTER YEAH.
AGAIN, AND ALSO THE DEAL IS, IS THAT DOING THIS WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ISN'T GOING TO GET ANY CHEAP.
TOMORROW'S GONNA POSSIBLE AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S MY PIECE OF EDUCATION IS, IS WE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO THIS WORK AND WE EITHER DO IT NOW AND PAY THIS PRICE OR WE DO IT LATER AND PAY ANOTHER $2 MILLION, YOU KNOW, TO GET IT DONE.
AND UH, SO THE NEXT ONE IS SIDEWALKS.
SEVERAL YEARS AGO WE HAD AN ESTIMATE OF 700,000.
WE'VE MADE A LITTLE BIT OF SCRATCH AND DENT.
YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WE BUDGETED 200,000.
THIS YEAR WE BUDGETED 200,000.
BUT IT STILL SEEMS LIKE WE'RE STILL BEHIND EIGHT WALL.
WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY WE COULD SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS ON SIDEWALKS ON CITY STREETS AND THIS WOULD HANDLE AND OTHER, YOU KNOW, A DA RAMPS, YOU KNOW, UM, AS WELL.
BUT AGAIN, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT IN FRONT OF RESIDE RESIDENCE.
YEAH, IT'S NOT RESIDENCE, IT'S NOT RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
THE ONLY TIME I CAN WHERE'S DIVIDED? IT IT'S IN FRONT OF RESIDENTIAL.
WHAT ABOUT WE KIND COUNT IT AS A, AS A PARKWAY.
THE ONLY TIME THAT WE REALLY, THAT'S OUT ON MOST TRAILS.
MOST, THERE MAY BE A FEW SIDEWALKS THAT WE WOULD SPIN ON A RESIDENTIAL.
UH, IT WOULD BE THE SIDE YARD, LIKE IN CHOOSE WHEN IT'S A SCHOOL ROUTE AND IT'S NOT IN FRONT, IT'S LIKE OKAY, IT'S BUMPY, WE JUST CAN'T WAIT FOR THE RESIDENT TO DO IT.
BUT IT'S VERY FEW IF WE RESEARCH GRANT,
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WELL THAT, BUT HAVE WE SEARCHED A WAY, IS THERE A BETTER WAY TO PUT SIDEWALKS IN LAKE JACKSON UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SOIL MOVES AND WE CAN PUT A FLAT SIDEWALK IN TOMORROW AND FIVE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD IT'S GONNA BE BUSTED BECAUSE THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING WE'VE DONE IS TIED TO THE ROAD.BUT NONE OF THESE HASN'T HAPPENED ABOUT AFFAIRS HERE.
NONE OF THESE, NONE OF THESE WOULD BE TIED TO THE RESIDE.
NOT RESIDENTIAL STREETS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THE THING IS, OTHER THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'VE DONE.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I MEAN WE TALKING ABOUT NORTH, I GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ON SIDEWALKS ON NORTH.
ANYTIME IT RAIN THE WATER ALL OVER THE SIDEWALK.
IF WE WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE GOOD BASE UNDERNEATH THE SIDEWALK AND DOING P SO AS THE SIDEWALK MOVES, YOU JUST MOVE THE PAPERS.
OH, YOU CAN, WE CAN TRY TO DO THAT.
YOU CAN PICK UP PAPERS AND REWORKING THIS.
YOU CAN PUT THE MONEY, YOU CAN PUT THE MONEY INTO THE, INTO THE ACTUAL BASE.
YEAH, I'M, IT DOESN'T PAY, BUT DOESN'T A DON'T POOP THROUGH ALL OVER.
NO, I'M JUST, I I THINKING WE HAVE TO ASPHALT MAN.
YEAH, WELL AST, I I WAS JUST THINKING OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE HAVING AT THE CIVIC CENTER PLAZA AND WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR THE MANPOWER, THE SKILL TO REPAIR THE, AND ITS PAPERS.
I DIDN'T WHAT THAT YOU LOOK AT UH, UH, OYSTER, YOU SEE THE OAK DRIVE IN FRONT OF THE FIRE STATION, UH, THOSE SIDEWALKS ARE MADE OUT PAPERS.
AND RIGHT NOW YOU DRIVE OVER THAT THING RIGHT NOW IN RIGHT LANE HIT BOTTOM OF YOUR CAR BECAUSE ALL THE BRICKS ARE RIGHT BY THE FIRE STATION.
PARDON? WHERE IS THIS IN FRONT OF THE, UH, FIRE STATION? THE FIRST SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY IS, UH, IT'S A WHOLE SECTION ABOUT FOUR FIVE.
YEAH, I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT, THAT SIDEWALK OR IS IT WE DONE IN THE CROSS WALL? YEAH.
CROSSWALK THAT HAS CONCRETE UNDERNEATH ONLY PLACE, CROSS WALL ALL MESSED UP UNDERNEATH, BUT THEN HAS CONCRETE UNDERNEATH IT.
NO, AND IT IS NOT THE CONCRETE, THE FRONT MAIN PROBLEMS WITH, WITH THE PS ALONG THE STREET CELL, ALONG THE BANDS ARE THE JOINTS THAT ARE THERE, THE ACTUAL EXPANSION JOINTS THAT ARE NOW ALLOWED.
A LOT OF THE, UH, SAND BASE THAT WAS, OR THE LITTLE SAND, UH, LEVELING SAND THAT PUT IN THAT WASH WOULD BE WASHED OUT OR, OR THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM.
AND WE, WE HAVE, I MEAN WE HAVE THAT BROUGHT UP AND ON THE LEFT TURN LINES THAT AS YOU GET TO EACH INTERSECTION, YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEREVER THE JOINT THERE, THERE'S THIS LITTLE DROP IN THE THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF THE OPENING.
AGAIN, MY, MY DEAL ON SIDEWALKS IS, IS WE SPEND ALL THIS MONEY ON SIDEWALKS AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY DO NOT EVEN TOUCH A SIDEWALK.
THEY DON'T WALK ON, THEY DON'T THEM, THEY DON'T ANYTHING OTHER.
AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, JOGGERS DON'T USE IT.
EVEN IF THEY'RE PERFECTLY STRAIGHT, THEY DON'T NEED IT.
I HAVE SIDEWALK, LOT OF DRIVE USE AND LIKE DRIVE.
THEY'RE NOT USABLE THEN NOT USING THEM.
THE REASON I THINK THIS DOLLAR OUT THERE IS BECAUSE WE'RE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE BUDGETING 200,000 A YEAR AND ARE WE STILL LOOKING FOR GRANTS? THE ONLY GRANT YOU CAN GIVE FOR A SIDEWALK IS EITHER FOR A SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL, UH, WHICH IS VERY SMALL.
OR IF YOU WANT TO DO A HIKE AND BIKE DRILL, WHICH THEN THAT WAS THE ONE THAT HAD ALL THE STRINGS ATTACHED.
SO YOU COULD USE THIS MILLION AND MAKE IT INTO 5 MILLION
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AS A MATCH, BUT WITH THAT YOU HAVE TO BUILD A HIGH BIKE CAR, YOU HAVE TO MOVE TRAFFIC LIGHTS AND STUFF.THE PROJECT GETS, IT'S VERY NICE, BUT IT GETS VERY EXPENSIVE.
WE WERE NOT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GONNA GO THAT ROUTE FOR SOME ROADS THAT COULD BE ELIGIBLE, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE HALF SIF AS A, AS A MANAGER HERE.
WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT REPAIR, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON LAKE ROAD RECENTLY, BUT WE'LL MOVE, WE'LL MOVE ON.
UH, WE HAVE NO MORE DETAIL THAN THIS.
AND THEN WE GET INTO, UH, OUR DISCUSSION OF PUBLIC SAFETY.
UM, THE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS 2.4 MILLION P GAL HAS GIVEN US A REVISED NUMBER.
WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK IN A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY BASED ON CURRENT DOLLARS.
THEY HAD JUST DONE WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS AN INFLATION FACTOR.
WE WE'RE NOT TOTALLY CONVINCED IT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER.
UH, SO THEY, BUT THEY HAVEN'T GIVEN US THEIR, UH, REVAMP OF IT.
THEIR EARLY PROJECTION IS IF WE WANTED TO DO THE PROJECT AS FRUIT, IT WOULD BE 3.15, UH, TODAY, LET'S SAY 3.2, UH, MILLION.
UM, THAT'S NOTHING ELSE IN THE BUILDING.
THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT REPAINTING THE WHOLE BUILDING OR CARPET AND STUFF.
SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SHORT ON THIS ONE.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON HOW BOND CAN, SO FOR THE PD VOTING, ARE WE STILL HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MOVING PD TO THE OLD TBC? I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT.
UM, MY PROPOSAL COUNSEL LONG TERM IS TO SEE IF WE CAN RENT IT, LEASE IT, HOW COME SELL IT.
I'M JUST, I THINK THE COST WOULD BE JUST SO BIG OF, NOW WHAT DO I DO WITH PD? YOU KNOW, I MOVE ONE BUILDING ONE TO THE OTHER.
COULD WE USE THE SATELLITE BUILDING? I'D RATHER, MY PREFERENCE IS LONG TERM TO PUT IT ON AGAIN, WE, WE WERE THROWING OUT AS A VIABLE IDEA.
I THINK IN THE END IT WAS GOOD FOR US TO COUNSEL TO TAKE AN ASSET, BUT I THINK THERE MAY BE A BETTER USE OF IT THAN THE PI JUST WANTED YOU TO ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION BEFORE WE TALKED ABOUT IF WE WERE REALLY GROWING AND STUFF THAT NEEDED MORE SPACE, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT WE'RE NOT REALLY GROWING AND THE PD IS IN SUCH A GOOD LOCATION.
I THINK WE CAN USE, YOU KNOW, THIS AND I THINK WE CAN SPIN, YOU KNOW, THE TDC COMPLEX INTO, YOU KNOW, SOME SOMETHING MORE.
BUT AGAIN, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS.
WE CAN ALSO SUBDIVIDE THE SMALLER BUILDINGS IN THE NEW BUILDING.
THAT COULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, A SATELLITE USE, YOU KNOW, FOR US, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED THE WHOLE COMPLEX PERHAPS USE THAT.
BUT WE, THAT'S A BAD DISCUSSION AS WELL, IS THAT IT SOLVED OR RELEASE OR, OR SOLVED.
YOU COULD USE THOSE THOSE PROCEEDS AND ROLL IT BACK INTO YEAH, NO, YOU, IT AS REPURPOSING OTHER THINGS THEN, THEN YOU STILL TAXPAYER'S ON THE HOOK FOR MAINTAIN AND SPENDING MONEY ON THOSE BUILDINGS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE ALL THESE ASSETS COST MONEY.
AND I KNOW OTHER CITIES DO IT, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO THE BUSINESS OF LEASING PROPERTY, EITHER USE IT OR SELL IT.
WELL, R'S SUGGESTION WAS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE LAREDO WAS TO GO OUT FOR HER PROPOSAL AND SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, PROPOSALS ARE OUT THERE AND SEE IF COUNCIL LIKES ANY OTHER WELL COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S TONS OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THEY'RE NOT SELLING.
SO THE MARKET FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IS NOT VERY GOOD.
SO, I MEAN, DON'T EXPECT I WASN'T, I WASN'T SO MUCH LOOKING FOR THE BUILDING.
I WAS HOPING IS THAT, COULD IT BE THE LAND? IT'S EIGHT ACRES IS THE LAND THAT IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL SPACE OR SOMETHING.
IT, IT, IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT, BUT COUNSEL HAS CONTROL OF WHAT IT COULD HAVE.
THAT'S, THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED AND WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE.
THAT THE CONCERN I HAVE AND THE THING THAT, THAT I KEEP TRYING TO FLOAT OUT THERE IS THAT IF YOU JUST GO OUT THERE AND JUST SELL THE LAND, IT'S GONNA BE SOLD TO MOST HIGHEST BID AND THEY CAN PUT ANYTHING YOU WANT.
IF WE DO SIMILAR, LIKE WHAT DOW DID WITH THEIR TECHNOLOGY CENTER, DOW STILL OWNS THE LAND AND SO THEY HAD TO SAY SO, AND THEY WENT OVER THERE AND SAID, OKAY, WE WANT, WE WANT THIS BUILDING HERE, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO OWN THE BUILDING.
SO THEY WENT OUT THERE AND THEY FOUND SOMEBODY THAT SAID, HAVE THEY GOT SOMEBODY TO COME IN TO BUILD IT AND TO OWN THE BUILDING THAT IS NOT
THEY OWN A, THEY HAVE A LEASE FOR A ZILLION YEARS, BUT THEY DON'T
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OWN THE BUILDING.YOU CAN DO THE SAME SIMILAR THING THERE WHERE YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU SAY, OKAY, WE'RE STILL GONNA MAINTAIN THE, WE'RE STILL GONNA CONTAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND, BUT WE HAVE AN ASSET SITTING THERE, A BUILDING.
AND SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT AS A, AN INDUSTRIAL PARK.
LIKE THEY HAVE UP AN NAME AT THE OLD
YOU COULD GO THERE AND PUT OUT, PUT OUT AND HAVE PEOPLE GIVE TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY, BUY THE OWN THE BUILDING, MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WE STILL OWN THE LAND AND THEN THEY HAVE A 40 YEAR LEASE AND SO WE GET LEASE FROM THEM OR OWNERSHIP FROM THEM.
YOU COULD HAVE LEASE SO THAT THEY BUY IT TYPE DEAL AND THEY, AND THEY LEASE THE LAND.
BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S JUST DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO AND STILL KEEP CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT CORNER VERSUS IT JUST, YOU KNOW, CAR DEALERSHIP.
UNLESS COUNSEL IS, YOU KNOW, AS A CLEAR DIRECTION.
I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT THE BEST USE IS.
IT COULD BE, BUT YEAH, I WAS JUST ASKING THAT QUESTION JUST TO SAY BEFORE WE SPEND SOME MONEY DOING THAT OR WE THEN GONNA TURN AROUND AND MOVE HOME IF WE'RE NOT NO.
IF WE DID, IF WE DID THIS, IF WE'RE NOT, LET'S JUST, IF WE DID THIS, I WOULD SAY THIS TIME WE, WE WE'VE SEALED OUR PAY TO WE'RE STAYING ON THIS SITE.
I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TO SPEND, TO SPEND EVEN THE 2.4.
WE GO MORE AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WE CHANGE HORSES AND WE'RE AT, WHAT ABOUT THE CITY HALL EXPANSION? ORIGINAL, THE CITY HALL INTO THE OB AREA HAVE AN NX WHERE TOGETHER, SO THEY'RE GONNA SHOOT THAT OUT THE WATER ALSO.
SO I DON'T THINK, UM, OUR CITY HOG IS TOO BIG.
WHAT WE ARE, WE DO NOT NEED WHAT WE DO NOT NEED THAT SIZE THAT WE WENT THROUGH OUR FIRST EXERCISE.
IT WAS JUST, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BUILD A SECOND STORY AND STUFF BASED ON OUR GROWTH AND STAFF AND CAPABILITIES OR WHAT WE COULD BUDGET FOR AND STAFF.
I MEAN WE COULD BUILD A BIG BUILDING THAT WE COULDN'T AFFORD TO STAFF IT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE HANDLE ALL OF OUR STAFFING NEEDS IF WE BUILT UP TO THE SIDE AND BUILT ANOTHER RESTROOM LOBBY AT ANOTHER COUNCIL CHAMBERS AND THEN ALL OF THIS THAT BECOMES OFFICE SPACE, WE'D PROBABLY BE ABLE TO HANDLE, YOU KNOW, AN ADDITIONAL 10 PEOPLE, UH, IN THERE AND I JUST CAN'T SEE US GETTING 10 MORE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, FOR A WHILE IN THIS BUILDING.
WE MAY NEED A DEPARTMENT, OTHER DEPARTMENTS, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK CITY HALL NEEDS PEOPLE.
UM, I THAT JUST THE TV C IS JUST A LOT OF BUILDING FOR US.
DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE TO USE PART OF AND RELEASE THE RESTAURANT.
AND AGAIN, THE SMALL BUILDING MAY WIND UP, YOU KNOW, BEING, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING FOR CID OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THERE COULD BE SOMETHING THERE.
UH, YEAH, I'M JOINED BY, UH, MY CONCERN IS I MIGHT BILL, I LIKE HAVING EVERYBODY NEXT TO ME.
I LIKE THE BDS CLOSE FIRE DEPARTMENT, CLOSE THE CITY OF ALL.
I JUST, UH, NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING EVERY DEPARTMENT IN.
I JUST WANT MAKE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T BE ON MAINTENANCE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET THE, THE, THE CREDIT UNION BUILDING IS MY GOAL WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IS, IS TO FIND A SOLUTION ON WHAT TO DO WITH THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.
MM-HMM
WELL RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE THEROS OF BRENT.
IS THERE SPACE NEEDS ANALYSIS FOR PAUL, THE PD AND WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE THE BUILDING, THE BUILDINGS, BUT I'M REALLY NOT LOOKING AT FOR THEM TO MATCH.
THEY MAY, UM, BUT WE HAD TO DO THE SPACE NEEDS ANALYSIS JUST FOR THIS, WHAT WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO HERE.
UM, AND I BEFORE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE DONE SOMETHING, BUT THEY UH, THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NOT GREAT CONDITIONS
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AND KIND OF FEEL ASHAMED OF THAT BUILDING AND YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME IT RAINS, WATER BUFFETS SITTING IN THE HALLWAY, BUY MORE WASTE PLACES.I MEAN, WHAT DO DESERVE BETTER? AND I ADVOCATE FOR THEM TO GET SOMETHING MUCH BETTER.
AND THE CHALLENGE, THE CHALLENGE MEAN THE PD IS JUST LIKE, I MEAN LIKE A LOT OF OUR KEEP ADDING ONTO IT AND WHEN WE ADD ONTO IT, WE'RE NOT, PROBABLY NOT DOING IT THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO DO BUSINESS INSIDE THAT BUILDING.
WE JUST, BECAUSE IT'LL FIT HERE.
WE'RE STICKING IT HERE IN A HALLWAY TO OPEN UP THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS TO DECIDE IF WE'RE BEING EFFICIENT ON THOSE BUILDINGS.
BUT, UH, SOME OF THE OFFICES THEY ARE IN NOW USED TO BE CLOSETS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE IT CLOSETS NOW THEY MOVED THAT OUT.
THEY HAVE A SPACE UNDERNEATH THE STATION, SO I GOTTA DO BETTER FOR THEM.
BUT IF YOU'LL NOTICE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT WAS TOO, UH, IT WAS TO HELP WITH EVIDENCE STORAGE.
SO WHAT YOU SEE IS YELLOW UP THERE, UH, WHICH IS THE ADDITION TO THE EXISTING BUILDING.
YELLOW WITH THAT LITTLE LIGHT BLUE THERE.
BUT TO BE EFFICIENT AND TO IMPROVE, UH, LIKE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, UH, IS WHERE IT'S LIGHT BLUE AT THE FRONT THERE.
CURRENTLY CID IS THERE AND THAT'S THE ENTRANCE NEAR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY YOU HAVE TO GIVE BILL CREDIT.
IF WE'RE GONNA ADD ON BACK HERE, WE NEED TO DO SOME UPDATING AND SUCH.
SO WE ADD ON EVIDENCE STORAGE IN THE BACK WHERE THAT LIGHT BLUE THAT'S CURRENTLY CID, WE MOVED THEM TO THE GREEN AREA, WHICH IS WHERE WE HAVE CONTROL REMODEL SOME OF THAT.
THAT'S WHERE THE REMODEL COMES IN.
AND WE MOVED THE LIGHT GREEN, WHICH IS PATROL OVER HERE, THE FRONT, WHICH IS WHERE THEY NEEDED IT AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND KIND OF CLEAN UP SOME OF THE SPACE.
THAT WAS THE OLD DISPATCH THAT WE USED FOR EVIDENCE.
SO ALL THE CID AND EVIDENCE WHO HANDLES EVIDENCE WILL BE AT THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND THEN PATROL WILL BE AT THE BUILDING.
UM, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT, P GAL DID THE INITIAL, UM, THAT WAS IN 2019.
UH, IT MADE SENSE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO, BUT OBVIOUSLY SOME OTHER THINGS TOOK PRECEDENCE AND NOW WE'RE DOWN THE ROAD AND, UH, IT'S CONSIDERABLY MORE.
SO REMEMBER THIS NUMBER BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING TWO FACILITIES PANEL, 800,000 WE'RE SHORT TODAY, ONE TODAY WE'RE SHORT.
THEIR NUMBER, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO PER UP THIS NUMBER BECAUSE THEY WERE JUST USING THE 7% INFLATION FACTOR ON THE COST OF JUNE 19.
WE'VE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT THE TWO NUMBERS OF THE POLICE RENOVATION NUMBER AND THE EVIDENCE ADDITION BASED ON THEIR EXPERIENCE, UPDATE THAT NUMBER AND THEN WE'LL USE THE INFLATION FACTOR.
WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT REVISION AND WE COULD HAVE USED THE SAME, THEIR EXPERIENCE.
RIGHT NOW THEY, THEY'RE SEEING 4% INFLATION, SO THEY ADVISED TO DO A 4% OR FIVE, UH, 5%.
WE'VE CONFIRMED THAT ALSO WITH BRETT.
BRETT IS ALSO SEEING 4% RIGHT NOW.
UH, SO THEY SAID WE WANTED TO BOOK ANYTHING FORWARD, BOOK ANYTHING 4%.
SO I'M WAITING FOR OUR UPDATED NUMBER AND WE'LL HAVE THAT TO YOU.
UH, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS WE GET IT, WE'LL GIVE THAT TO YOU.
PAUL DID GET A COST ON THE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF CHANGING UP THE ROOF WAS 600,000 ROOF.
IT'S A FLAT ROOF HAS BEEN DONE IN CATCHES AND STUFF OVER THE YEARS.
UH, THE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS ON TOP IS WHAT PROBLEM? A LOT OF IT.
IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.
OBVIOUSLY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO DO, UH, REMODEL EVEN SOME THINGS WE LOOKED AT DOING THIS YEAR THAT WE HAVE IN BUDGET.
IF, IF YOU GOT A BUNCH OF LEADS, SO, UM, CALLED IN TRIMCO, THEY'RE A COMPANY THAT DOES RESURFACE, THEY'LL REDO THE ROOF OR THEY HAVE A SPRAY ON THAT THEY GUARANTEE FOR A LONG TIME AND THERE'S UH, THERE'S A PROCESS TO IT AND THEY EXPLAIN.
SO THERE COULD BE SOME SAVINGS EVEN ON TOP OF THE 600 SOMETHING THOUSAND.
UM, IF WE CAN GET OUR AIR CONDITIONER SITUATION, WE'RE BOTH LOOKING AT UPDATE OF A COUPLE OF REALLY OLD PACKAGE UNITS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE UP THERE ANYMORE.
BUT I FEEL THE SAME WAY HAVING ALL THOSE UNITS.
I MEAN WE HAVE NINE OF 'EM JUST IN THE AREA THAT WE RERO.
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DON'T KNOW HOW TO COME OUT, BUT GOT A MEETING WITH DAC ABOUT THE CHILLER IS, IS KIND OF ON ITS LAST LEG.WE DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE CHILLER SYSTEM THAT WAS ADDED WHEN WE ADDED COURT AND DISPATCH UPSTAIRS, UH, 14, 15 YEARS AGO.
UM, TO LOOK AT WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE TO, IF WE'RE GONNA USE A CHILLER SYSTEM AND REPLACE ONE, WE HAVE DO THE WHOLE PD AS A CHILLER, THEN WE CAN TAKE DOWN ALL THE PACKAGING.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT MATERIAL OF THE ROOF? SOME IS, UH, PPO, SOME IS, I THINK VINYL.
YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S DENSER.
IT'S MORE PLASTIC LIKE, I GUESS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE IT.
UH, THAT'S THE TWO MATERIALS THAT WE HAVE.
AND THEN METAL OF COURSE OVER THE COURT AREA.
AND SOME OF DISPATCH WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY HAVE A SLIDING GRID SL.
SO 600,000 TO REDO THE ENTIRE IN WHAT MATERIAL? IT WOULD BE A TEO TYPE OR SINGLE, THE SPRAY SINGLE MEMBRANE.
SO LIKE THE RNAC, I KNOW THERE'S ONE BRAND OF THAT STUFF CALLED RNAC THAT'S LIKE A SPRAY ON MM-HMM
HAVE WE LOOKED AT INSURABILITY FOR THAT? SO I PUT THE SPRAY ON UHHUH THAT THAT WOULD BE, SO WE'RE MEETING WITH THEM AND I AM ASKING THEM TO COME TO COUNCIL TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.
I WAS ON THEIR PRESENTATION WHEN THEY DID IT IN FRONT OF THE SWEENEY SCHOOL BOARD.
UM, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER AS FAR AS INSURABILITY.
THEY MAKE SURE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH IS GOOD.
ONCE THEY GET THAT SQUARED AWAY, THEY COME IN AND SPRAY DEPENDING ON THE DEPTH AND THE MATERIAL.
THEY'LL, THEY'LL GUARANTEE IT FOR 15 YEARS AND, AND EVEN LONGER PROVIDING THAT, YOU GONNA WALK ON IT AND TEAR IT UP.
SO THAT'S NOT A WEAR AND TEAR.
SO, SO YOU HAVE BUNCH OF TRAFFIC INFLUENCE.
THE COMPANY STAYS IN BUSINESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT WARRANTIES ON WE STUFF.
YOU'VE GOT MATERIAL WARRANTIES AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMPANY WORKED IN SHIP WARRANTIES.
BECAUSE USUALLY MOST OF THE ROOFING COMPANIES ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TWO YEARS IS WHAT YOU GET.
YEAH, I KNOW WHEN, WHEN I DID THE PROJECT ON THE ONE, UH, IT WASN'T LONG AND IT WASN'T AIR.
SOME OF IT'S AIR CONDITIONING, IT WAS PEOPLE'S TRAFFIC.
BUT LIKE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU GO UP THERE, THERE'S AIRSPACE BETWEEN A LOT OF THOSE, UH, YOU SEE FASTER, UH, THEY'RE RETREATING.
UH, COMING UP YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE CIRCLES AND YOU CAN'T REPLACE THAT.
AND THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO PULL THAT UP.
WE GONNA DO, THAT'S THE SYSTEM THEY DID THE, TO STAY ON THAT.
WHATEVER YOU DO, DO IT ALL IN THE SAME MATERIAL.
NOT THREE DIFFERENT MATERIALS.
AND I'M VERY SKEPTICAL, SORRY OF THE, I'VE LOOKED INTO LIKE THE CARDIAC AND THE MIDBRAIN, STUFF LIKE THAT.
I THINK THERE'S PROBLEMS IF THE BASE IS NOT, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TPOS BEEN INTO THREE PARTS SYSTEM.
IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S INSURABLE.
QUESTIONS I WOULD ASK, I'M SORRY WE DON'T HAVE A PHONE NUMBER YET.
AS I LOOK AT, MY GOAL IS TO HAVE A FIRM NUMBER AT THE NEXT COUNSELING, UH, GETTING THIS DOWN, DOWN WITH
I MEAN DO YOUR ROOF AND YOUR ACS BEFORE YOU DO ANY, ANYTHING ELSE.
BEFORE YOU DO ANY KIND OF INNOVATIONS INSIDE, YOU GOTTA HAVE A GOOD SHELF.
THE NEXT ONE IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
WE ASKED IAD TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING COMPLETELY AND IDENTIFY EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BRING IT BACK UP TO PRETTY MUCH AS OPPOSED TO LIKE GOOD CONDITIONS WE CAN GET INTO.
SO THEY, WE, I'VE GIVEN YOU A DETAILED LIST OF A REPORT THAT WE GOT THIS MORNING.
THE SLIDE JUST, UH, IS THE SUMMARY, UH, OF THAT IS LISTED HIGH PRIORITY, MODERATE AND LOW PRIORITY.
THAT STATION ONE, NOT STATION ONE.
THAT STATION ONE GE STATION ONE.
SO I WOULD IT TO TWO, I MEAN IT'S NOT INFLATED YET.
THERE'S STILL A COUPLE OF NUMBERS THAT ARE MISSING THAT WE'RE ON FOLKS TO COME BACK AND WE AGAIN, IS THAT TAKING A CLOCK OFF? NO, NO, BUT THIS IS REWORKING THAT ROOF BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S THE SOURCE OF A LOT OF OUR LEAK ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD FOR SOME TIME OVER THERE.
WE THINK THAT BECAUSE I MEAN REALLY THE
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TOP OF THE FIRE STATION DOESN'T EVEN MEET CODE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY MISSING CEILING TILES.CORRECT? NO, ALL THAT'S BEEN REPLACED.
ALL THE LIGHT BULBS, ALL THAT STUFF.
THAT'S RANDOM LIGHT BULBS FOR THE MOST PART.
WE'RE STILL HAVING, WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING A SCAFFOLD COMPANY TO COME IN TO BUILD SCAFFOLD TO GIVE THE ELECTRICITY YOU THE LADDER CHAIRS.
SO I THINK WE DID A, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS A GOOD EXERCISE FOR US.
I, I WISH WE ACTUALLY HAD DONE THIS EXERCISE FOR THE PD, BUT I DON'T THINK WE COULD GET IT DONE.
YOU KNOW, WE ENOUGH, PROBABLY EVERY BUILDING NEEDS TO GO THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE SO WE COULD IDENTIFY, UM, BUT WE FOCUSED THIS TIME ON THE, ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT JUST TO SEE WHAT NEEDS NEEDS TO BE DONE.
SO WHEN YOU, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THIS JUST HIGHLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, COLORS AND JUST HIGH, UH, MEDIUM BELOW.
AND THEN LET'S KEEP ANNA, LET'S GO, LET'S GO TO NEXT.
WELL, DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? I, I WAS GONNA GET JUST TO SHA YOU THE RIP THE BANDAID OFF AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE'RE GETTING TOLD OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING.
WELL JUST LIKE THE HIGH PRIORITY ONES ON THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE OVERHEAD DOORS.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE TALKING, UH, THAT DAY AND STUFF WAS IS THAT IF YOU REPAIR THOSE, THEY HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO WINDSTORM.
IT'S REPLACING COMPLETELY TAKING OUT WHAT WE'VE GOT AND PUTTING NEW WIND WINDSTORM COMPLIANT DOORS, WHICH THESE AREN'T WINDSTORM COMPLIANT DOORS.
WE, WE CAN ENSURE IT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT WE CAN'T ENSURE THE BUILDINGS ARE, BECAUSE THE DOORS DON'T, THE DOORS DON'T MAKE BY DOOR FOR NEW HOME GARAGE DOOR EXTRA BRACES.
I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S THE GLASS ALSO MASK TAPE ON THE GLASS ON THAT.
AND SO MY, OUR, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO, WE WON'T GET A REALLY A COST SAVINGS ON INSURANCE.
IT'S JUST, UH, LONG TERM IS IF THE PRIVATE MARKET GETS OUT, THEN WE HAVE NO INSURANCE ON THE DEPARTMENT.
THE, SO EXPLAIN TO ME THE EXHAUST SYSTEM THAT WE HAVE IN ALL ACROSS THERE DOES NOT WORK.
AND SO THIS NEW THING THAT WE'RE GONNA GO SPEND THIS MONEY FOR, HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S GONNA LAST OR HOW IT'S GONNA WORK? SO THE COMPANY THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT, IT'S UH, MAGNET GRIP.
THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UH, THE OTHER COMPANY, UH, IT WAS INGER DOG.
IT WAS A NEW COMPANY THAT CAME OUT AND THE ARCHITECT AT THE TIME DECIDED THAT THAT WAS THE COMPANY THAT WE SHOULD GO WITH.
AND UH, THE FIRE CHIEF AT THE TIME, OH THE FIRE CHIEF AT THE TIME PICKED A COMPANY THAT AS SOON AS OUR STATION WAS BUILT, THEY WENT OUT OF BUSINESS.
SO THERE'S NO PARTS AVAILABILITY FOR THAT SYSTEM.
WE, HOW LONG ARE IT OPERATING WITHOUT A SYSTEM? WHAT IS THE, WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SYSTEM? SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S THE DIESEL EXHAUST REMOVAL SYSTEM.
REALLY WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPERATING WITH WITHOUT THE DOORS OPEN IN OUR OPERATING SYSTEM.
IT, IT DOESN'T PROPERLY LIKE IT JUST OPEN.
AND THE BIGGEST, THE BIGGEST REASON WHY YOU CAN'T GET THAT ANYMORE, THE SNAFU AND THIS SYSTEM IS THAT IT'S ALL BUILT IN IN, IN, INTO THE CONCRETE.
AND WE WOULDN'T GO BACK WITH ANYTHING THAT'S THE INSIDE CONCRETE.
THIS, THIS WOULD BE AN OVERHEAD SYSTEM.
DOES THE FIRETRUCK HAVE TO SIT IN THE BAY BY OR IT CAN BE PULLED OUT TO I EVEN IF THEY START THE TRUCK UP, YOU'RE STILL PUMPING DIESEL EXHAUST.
IT'S, IT'S A CANCER REDUCTION.
I JUST DON'T WANNA BE SPENDING MONEY ON NICE TO HAVES INSTEAD THEY HAVE TO HAVE, SO WHICH WAY? ALRIGHT.
AND WE'RE GONNA DO, UH, EXTRA VENTILATION FANS, IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S JUST FANS TO CIRCULATE SOME OF THAT AIR IN THE BAY.
WE'RE GONNA DO THE, WE'RE GONNA DO THE EXHAUST.
AND THEN WHAT ELSE? BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT BAYS NOT EVEN, THOSE AREN'T, THOSE ARE PRETTY NASTY BAYS.
I MEAN THERE'S THE, THERE'S NOT EVEN VENTILATION THAT
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THERE'S NOT EVEN PLANS IN THEIR RIGHT AT ALL.AND WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON PUTTING YOU IN.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S NOT THIS PLAN.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE IF WE NEED TO.
THEY HAD ASKED TO EXPAND, BUT WE SAID NO TO EXTENDED WATER AND STUFF.
AND WE SAID RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO GET THE BUILDING BACK UP TO AS CLOSE AS TO NEW AS POSSIBLE.
WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT EXPANDING ANY OF THE FACILITY.
WE DID HAVE ONE REQUEST OF FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING.
SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL PARKING.
UH, YES, THAT WOULD, UM, ON THE SIDE OF, UH, BACK BY THE WATER TOWER.
THAT SAID, BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PARKING.
I, I DUNNO HOW MUCH THAT 45, 44.
AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS WHY CAN'T THEY PARK ACROSS THE STREET? ACROSS THE STREET FOR TRAINING DAY? THEY SAVE US 45.
JUST ASK THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT IS, WE HAD, YOU KNOW, AN AREA SINKING OVER BY THE EMS AREA OF THE PIPE AND THAT'S A BIG EXPENSE THAT WE PUT IN THERE.
PIPE THE STORM, THE STORM SEWER PIPE.
YEAH, THERE'S A STORM BOX THAT ALL THE WAY FROM THAT CORNER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO OUR FAULT PORTION OF THE GATE THERE.
IT'S ABOUT TWO 20 FEET OF, SO WE PUT A PLACEHOLDER BASICALLY WHEN TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER ANY TYPE OF REPAIR, UH, THE FAILURE THERE.
THAT PIPE, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE, WHERE THE LEAK IS OR WHERE THE LOSS OF, UH, LOSS OF THE CONDUIT IS.
WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THAT, BUT WE'RE PUT IN THE HEIGHT, THE HIGH NUMBER DISINFECT.
WELL I AGREE WE NEED TO DO AN UPGRADE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS.
SO A LOT OF IT, A LOT OF THAT'S OUR FAULT.
AND SOME OF IT IS, IS THAT, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT OPERATE OUT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN VERY GOOD AT ANY.
AND THIS JUST, IT'S ONE OF THESE FACILITIES WHERE, HOW MUCH IS OUR BUILDING BUDGET? UM, IT GOT REDUCED TO 25.
IT'S SMALL POTATOES ON MAINTAINING THE BUILDING.
WE JUST, WE JUST DON'T BUDGET ENOUGH TO, FOR BUILDING MAINTENANCE, WE TRY TO ADDRESS IT.
AND THE CIP WOULD LIFT OVER FUNDS.
UH, SO WE'RE KIND OF LIKE, WE'VE SLIPPED INTO KIND OF LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WE SQUEEZE AS MUCH OUT OF THE BUDGET WE CAN.
AND SOME OF THE LINE ITEMS THAT GET SQUEEZED THE MOST ARE BUILDING, BUILDING MAINTENANCE.
AND YOU DON'T SEE IT IMMEDIATELY, BUT 10 YEARS DOWN THE LINE, IT CATCHES UP.
WE'RE NOT QUITE AS BAD AS WE, UH, NEXT SLIDE.
THAT'S JUST, UH,
WE'RE IN A TIGHT TIMELINE OF THE 10TH OF THIS TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE, I MEAN, THE, WE HAVE THE 16TH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD NUMBERS ON THE PD YET.
UM, WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND READING ON BY FEBRUARY 3RD.
SO IF WE WANT TO CALL FOR A BOND ELECTION IN MAY, WE CAN'T KEEP ON PUTTING IT OFF.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY BETTER.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET ANY CHEAPER.
UH, THE OTHER TIME WE CAN DO A BOND ELECTION IS IN NOVEMBER.
YOU'VE NEVER DONE THAT ON OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, UH, BUT YOU, YOU GET ALSO A DIFFERENT TYPE OF VOTER IN NOVEMBER, YOU KNOW, THAN YOU DO IN MAY.
IN MAY, WE GET PEOPLE WHO REALLY CARE ABOUT THE CITY, UH, ON THERE.
SO WE'VE, WE'VE, WE JUST HAVE NOT DONE A NOVEMBER BOND ISSUE.
UH, SO THE SQUEEZE IS ON THIS 'CAUSE FEBRUARY 3RD IS GONNA BE QUICK.
AND SO I REALLY ONLY HAVE THE NEXT MEETING TO GIVE YOU,
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TO ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AFTER THAT CALL, THE SPECIAL MEETING AFTER, AFTER THAT, OR A SPECIAL MEETING.BUT AFTER THAT, YOU GUYS HAVE TO START REALLY TO MAKE A DECISION.
DO WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT? YOU KNOW? SO IS IT, IS THERE AN ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE TO THE SAME EXERCISE?
KNOW IT IS MONEY, MONEY, MONEY.
WHEN I HAD THIS THOUGHT OF THAT, WE, I WANTED TO PROPOSE THIS TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER OR IN AUGUST WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, I WASN'T AWARE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS GOING OUT AND THEN
AND I WAS LIKE, THE ONLY CAVEAT IS THAT THEY'VE TOLD HER, I MEAN, THAT THEY'RE DONE IT, THE BOND COMMITTEE IS THAT THEY'RE TRYING NOT TO DO IT WITH A TAX INCREASE.
DOES THAT HELP BE GOOD? BUT THAT BE, OURS IS VERY SMALL COMPARED TO THEIRS.
YOU WOULD, UH, WOULD YOU BREAK THESE? THEY TOOK THREE BONDS.
NOT FOR WHAT, WHAT BONDS WOULD YOU I ALL, I'VE STAYED WITH THE TRADITION OF PROPOSALS.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, WOULD YOU DO ONE FOR STREET, STREET FOR STREETS, ONE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, ONE FOR STREETS AND SIDEWALKS.
I WAS THINKING ONE, UH, FOR FACILITIES.
ONE FOR STREET AND SIDEWALKS AND DRAINAGE AND ONE MORE PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES.
WELL, I LIKE THE WAY, UNLESS, UNLESS YOU THOUGHT ANY ONE OF THOSE WAS LIKE SIDE, IF YOU THOUGHT SIDEWALKS WAS TOO CONTROVERSIAL, IT NEEDED TO BE PULLED OUT.
NO, I THINK IT ALL FALLS THAT CATEGORY.
BUT THE TWO WAY YOU DEFINE IT, I LIKE THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT.
THAT IS THAT WE BREAK INTO PIECES SO THAT THEN THE VOTERS CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH BOND THEY WANT TO GO WITH VERSUS WHAT THE ISD DOES.
THEY JUST THROW IT ALL IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, MY BIG DRIVE IS, IS MAYBE I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE, HAVE A NEW SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL, SCHOOL BOARD AT HOPPER FIELD, BUT IT'S ON THAT BIG BOND.
BUT IT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE SCHOOL.
AND IF I VOTE AGAINST THE BOND 'CAUSE OF THE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, I WON'T GET THE THING WE REALLY NEED.
THAT'S, I DON'T, LIKE I ITEMIZED.
HUH? NO ITEMIZED, RIGHT? NO, THAT'S, IT'S ALL
AND THIS IS, I LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO RUN THE RISK OF NOT GETTING A PIECE, NOT GETTING ONE ON A PASS, I MEAN, CLOSE AS WE CAME TO THAT WAS PLANT, UH, BRIDGE ALMOST DIDN'T PASS.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, I THINK BY BREAKING INTO SMALL CHUNKS WHERE PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING TO BE SPENT, IS A LOT BETTER THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE, I EVEN THOUGH, AND I BOTH SIT ON THE OVERVIEW, WHICH I NEED TO GET OFF OF BECAUSE I'M NOT DOING ANOTHER THERE FOR 20 YEARS.
IT'S SO THE, SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
SO ONE QUESTION THAT NEEDS SO COMPLETE OVERALL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SUFFERING TAX DOLLARS FROM BUSINESSES THAT WOULD POSSIBLY, THAT OLD HE SHOPPING CENTER THERE VACANT ALL THIS TIME, THAT'S PROBABLY REPRODUCING TAX REVENUE.
YEAH, WE, WE, WE WERE GONNA GO AFTER A GRANT, UH, TO GO DO THAT, AND WE DECIDED NOT TO GO AFTER THAT GRANT BECAUSE THE STRING THAT WAS ATTACHED TO IT AND STUFF.
SO, UH, I THINK IT'S STILL ON OUR RADAR STREAM TO, UH, SEE WHAT KIND OF GRANTS WE CAN FIND TO GO DO SOMETHING.
BUT IT'S GONNA BE, WE'RE TRYING TO, I THINK THE GRANTS THAT WE CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR IS, IS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO GET A GRANT THAT THAT TIES THAT PART OF TOWN INTO DOWNTOWN.
WHAT'S THAT GONNA TAKE? AND, BUT AGAIN, THE BOND THAT I THINK I'M JUST, WE WANT TO LOSE THOUGHT PART OF THAT BECAUSE WE LOSING PAST REVENUE, RIGHT? YEAH.
IN MY MIND, PLANTATION PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE DOWNTOWN, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND FIND IT, RIGHT? VERSUS JUST REBUILD IT.
UH, I, MAJOR, MAJOR, UH, BUT I THINK IT'S ALSO, I, SO I THINK IT'S A ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, BUT I ALSO THINK IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
AND DOWNTOWN JUST TOOK SOME TIME TO DISCUSS WITH ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE GOT ONE SHOT TO DO THIS.
IT'S GONNA LAST FOR 40, 50 YEARS.
HOW WOULD WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? AND WHAT WOULD THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW COULD THAT SPUR, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE? BECAUSE REALLY THAT WAS THE SUCCESS OF DOWNTOWN.
WE WEREN'T GONNA DO IT ONE STREET AND WE WERE JUST GONNA REPAY IT.
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BUSINESS OWNERS CAME OUT AND SAID, STOP.AND WE, WE DID A MASTER PLAN AND IT WENT, I THINK WE'VE GOT A BETTER PRODUCT.
THINK PLANTATION COULD BE THE SAME WAY.
IT'S JUST, IT'S GONNA BE A, A MAJOR HUGE PROJECT, EXPENSIVE PROJECT THAT WHOLE SECTION OF PLANTATION IS, IS TRYING FOR.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THAT WHOLE SIDE OF TOWN THAT NEEDS TO BE, AND THAT'S WHY WE, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE GRANT TO, TO TRY TO DRIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO THAT AREA.
AND WE JUST HAVEN'T FOUND A SOLUTION TO, WE GOT THE ONE PARTICULAR BUSINESS OWNER THAT
HE FIXED ALL THAT UP AND HE'S STILL GONNA RENT IT OUT.
SO I THINK I COPIED THIS IN THE LETTER.
THIS WAS JUST AN INITIAL ATTEMPT.
I CONFUSED EVERYBODY WHEN WE HAD JOE RUN THE NUMBER FOR COST FOR 10, 15, AND 20, WHEN WE DID THE 15 AND 20 MILLION, WE DIDN'T FACTOR IN THAT WE ALREADY HAD APPROVED BY THE VOTERS 2.4.
SO I SHOWED YOU THE COST FOR THE IMPACT OF THE VOTERS.
WELL, IT WOULD BE MORE IF WE ALSO ISSUED THE 2.4 MILLION ON TOP OF THAT.
SO RATHER THAN DO THAT, WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE SAID, TAKE 2.4 MILLION OFF THE TOP.
AND SO IF WE WENT FOR THE 15 MILLION ISSUE, WHEN WE SHOW YOU WHAT THE 15 MILLION COST IS, THAT'S INCLUDING SELLING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE, SO IF WE ASK FOR 5 MILLION ON PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU REALLY ONLY GET 2.6 MILLION BECAUSE YOU HAVE 2.4 IN POCKET AND THAT WOULD SHOW YOU THE COST EARMARK OR SOMETHING.
ALSO, IT'S EARMARKED FOR THE EXPANSION.
AND SO YOU GET 2.6 MILLION, YOU GET A, YOU KNOW, A MILLION OR GET 1,000,004 TO FINISH IT OFF, AND THEN YOU GET 1.6 MILLION JUST TO THROW AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO EVERYTHING ON, ON THE LIST.
SO, SO THE FIRST ISSUE IS THE COUNCIL SAID, GUYS, WE'RE NOT READY ON PUBLIC FACILITIES.
DO THE PANELS DO DRAINAGE? THE DRAINAGE REALLY IS UPSIZING THE OYSTER CREEK DRIVE LINE.
THAT'LL BETTER SERVE THE, UM, PARKWOOD TERRACE WAS THE PARKWOOD TERRACE, PARKWOOD TERRACE SUBDIVISION THAT WE'RE, WE'RE PLANNING AND THEN SIDEWALKS.
NOTHING FOR CITY STAFF, UH, BUILDINGS AND STUFF IS JUST WHAT THE PUBLIC USES ON THAT.
BUT SO LOOKING AT THE $20 MILLION BOND, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE GONNA STOP POURING MONEY INTO BANDAIDS AT THIS POINT.
IF WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR 15 MILLION OR 20 MILLION, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET A BRAND NEW, BRAND NEW HVAC SYSTEM BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING ELSE ON BOTH.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE, YOU'D HAVE TO DO THE REALLY THE, THE, I WOULD TAKE THE MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF SIDEWALKS AND PUT IT ON THERE TO MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST GOT THOSE TWO BREAKS.
COMPLETE SOMETHING, COMPLETE SOMETHING, YEAH.
BECAUSE I MEAN, THOSE ARE TWO BUILDINGS.
YOU DID THE 15 MILLION AND TOOK THE SIDEWALK, BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE TWO BUILDINGS THAT ARE USED 24 7.
IT COULD POSSIBLY BE DONE WITH A 15 MILLION, YOU'D HAVE 3.6.
WE COULD RUN THE NUMBERS AND SEE IF WE COULD DO EVERYTHING ON THE LIST FOR THE INFLATION FACTOR AND THE WANNA FIX ANYTHING HALFWAY, RIGHT.
I MEAN, THE 20 MILLION WAS A SAFE, WE KNOW THAT WE COULD DO IT.
WE KNOW THAT WE COULD DO EVERYTHING WE DID FOR THE 20 MILLION, BUT IF THE SIDEWALKS CAME OFF, YOU'D GET CLOSE.
UH, TO WHAT? TO POSSIBLY, I HAVEN'T THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW THE COST OF AIR COMMITMENT, THE CHILLER, UH, CHIEF, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW THAT? MEET WITH THEM THURSDAY MORNING ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK, AND THEN THEY'LL HAVE TIME TO ASSESS IT, ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF EQUIPMENT, A LOT OF COMPUTER STUFF WITHIN THOSE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE TO BE AC AND AGAIN, THE 20 MILLION DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE 20 MILLION BECAUSE I JUST, WITH A, A NATURAL INCREMENT, WE THREW ANOTHER BILLION AT PANEL REPLACEMENTS, BUT THEN THAT WOULD BE USED IN RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, NOT
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KNOWING WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT KNOWING KNOW, WE CAN USE IT.3 MILLION ON DRAINAGE IS REALLY SLOPE PAVING, LIKE SLOW PAVING, YOU KNOW, PORTIONS OF THE PINE DITCH, THE MAGNOLIA DITCH IT, WHICH HELPS WITH OUR MAINTENANCE COST.
WE, WE COULD, STAFF COULD SPEND 10 MILLION ON SLOW PAVING.
IT'S A PLUG NUMBER JUST TO GET TO THE 20.
I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE.
I WOULD CUT STREET PANELS DOWN BACK DOWN TO 8 MILLION, GET RID OF SIDEWALKS AND LEAVE THE 3 MILLION DRAINAGE AND DO THE SLOPE.
BECAUSE WE SPEND SO MUCH MONEY EVERY YEAR IN BOEING AND THEN LEAVE THE SEVEN FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION.
ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, WHAT WE PROBABLY HAPPEN IS THAT 1 MILLION FOR SIDEWALK IS GONNA BE MOVED INTO THE SEVEN TO, TO ADD TO THE 7 MILLION AND THAT'S FINE.
A LOT OF MONEY, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GOING UPSIZE AND KIND.
BUT IF YOU BROUGHT THE STREET PANELS DOWN, BECAUSE I HATE SPENDING EIGHT, $9 MILLION ON STREET PANELS.
I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY'LL CONTINUE TO FAIL.
BUT IT IS A WASTE OF MONEYS THE NECESSITY OF REPLACING THE DOWN THE ROAD.
I'M JUST SAYING I WOULDN'T PAY, I WOULDN'T SPEND ANY MORE THAN $8 MILLION ON THAT.
THE PANELS, THE PANELS THAT WE'RE DOING ARE JUST, THEY'RE JUST STOPPING STOPPING THE FAILURES ON THE BAD PANELS.
AND GETTING US LONGER TIME ON THE ROAD, ROAD DOWN THE ROAD A LONG TIME.
NOT JUST THIS, BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA ASK FOR UNDERSTANDING, AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS, FAMILY PLACEMENT, BECAUSE BUNCH OF STREETS COMING UP OR STUDY THERE DOWN THE ROAD.
SO WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING OFF THE BOND IN THE NEAR FUTURE? LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THIS IS OUR CURRENT DEBT SERVICE.
IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCE, I WOULD NOT BE BRINGING YOU A RECOMMENDATION TO PULL A BOND COMMITTEE TOGETHER UNTIL 2027 KNOWING THAT WE'VE GOT A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN 28 AND 29 AND WE START SELLING THINGS.
SO I'M REALLY RECOMMENDING EARLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CONDITION OF THE ROADS AND SOME, UH, ESPECIALLY THE ROADS.
THAT'S WHAT'S SPARKED, YOU KNOW, THIS DECISION TO BECOME, BUT NORMALLY WE WOULDN'T BE DOING AN EXCEL UNTIL 28.
BUT THIS ESSENTIALLY IS, IS WE'RE JUST GONNA HAVE TO DO THE ONE AND FIVE BULLET AND SAY WE'VE GOTTA SPEND THE MONEY TO GET THE STUFF FIXED.
THIS IS ONE OF IT IS WHERE WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE TAX RATE LOW.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT SELLING, WE'RE NOT ING ANOTHER PROJECTS UNTIL, YOU KNOW, WE PAY, YOU KNOW, PAID OUT SOME OF THE DEBT.
SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS 10000001ST YEAR BECAUSE WE PAY A LEVEL PRINCIPLE.
THE FIRST YEAR IS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST IMPACT ARE EVEN SECOND.
SO YOU SEE THE FIRST YEAR OUR JET SERVICE INCREASE IS SEVEN $58,000.
THAT'S AN EQUIVALENT OF 2.20 CENT TAX INCREASE.
WE'VE KEPT THE TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUE AT 3.4 BILLION.
SO NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW S THIS VALUE RULE, YOU KNOW, GO UP AND THE TAX RAY WILL GO DOWN.
BUT I TRY NOT TO SHOW THE PLAY THAT GAME.
JUST TRYING TO SHOW, HERE'S THE EFFECT, IF YOU PASS THIS BOND, EVERYTHING SAYS EQUAL, IT EQUALS TWO, IT'S A 2 CENT INCREASE FOR A 10 MILLION BOND ON THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THE COST IS TO AVERAGE OR, BUT AGAIN, I LIKE STREET PANEL FOR, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PHASE.
SO TO REALLY THROW KINK IN THIS IS THAT THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE IN FIVE YEARS.
SO SHOWING WHAT THAT'S GOING LIKE AND IT TAKES BACK, YEAH, RIGHT NOW WE WOULDN'T, I MEAN NOW THIS ISSUE IS LIKE, WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE DOING ANOTHER BOND ISSUE UNTIL 2031.
WE CAN'T WAIT THAT LONG FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF YOUR, UH, CONSULTANT THAT YOU JUST USED, THAT IF YOU WAIVE THAT LONG, THEY GAVE US A NUMBER OF WHATEVER IT WAS.
SO THIS, THIS TAKES, THIS TAKES THE TAX RATE TO THE DIRECTION WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN GIVEN IN THE PAST, BUT I DON'T KNOW FROM THE LAST, FROM THE LAST TASK FORCE WAS TO KEEP THE TAX RATE UNDER 40 CENTS.
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HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY IN THAT.SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEELING OF THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, IS NOW THE PUBLIC IS GONNA BE, IS HOW WELL EDUCATE THEM AND BE TRANSPARENT.
MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT A ONE TIME THING.
I MEAN, THIS IS NOT JUST LIKE YOUR HOME, YOU KNOW, YOU WELL, JUST LIKE A WATER BILL.
WE KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE RATE INCREASES AT LEAST FOR THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS AT THIS POINT.
WE ARE IN A VERY DIFFICULT, WE, THE WAY WE SELL BONDS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, UH, NOW THAN IT WAS IN NINE FIVE OR A GROWING CITY, GROWING CITIES SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ALMOST COUNT THAT YOUR TAX BASE, YOUR TAX BASE IS GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY AND IT'S COVERING FOR THE BONDS WE'RE MATURE.
EVERYTHING WE PASS, WE WILL ALL TAKE ON THAT BURDEN.
THERE'S NO NEW HOMES TO REALLY SPREAD OUT OF THE BURDEN ANYMORE.
AND MANGO OR IOWA COLONY WHEN THEY PROPOSE A BOND ISSUE VERSUS US, RIGHT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE REALITY THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE TO FACE.
AND YOU KNOW, IS THAT THE, THE DAYS OF THE KEEPING IT BELOW 40 CENTS IS, IS GONE.
SO THIS IS A 2.2 OR YOU KNOW, WHERE 32 AND CHANGE.
SO THIS WOULD TAKE IT TO, YOU KNOW, 34 AND A HALF CENTS, THE 50 MILLION.
LIKE, WHERE'S MARIA? MARIA SENDING ME TELEPATHIC NUMBERS.
UM, YOU'RE ONE DEBT SERVICES 1.2 MILLION.
IT'S A THREE AND A HALF SET INCREASE THE FIRST YEAR.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CHART AT 19 MILLION AND TO SEE, WE CAN REDO THE NUMBERS.
WHAT, UH, THE NEXT ONE IS 20 MILLION.
UM, IT'S ALMOST A 5 CENTS INCREASE.
IT WOULD GO DOWN TO MAYBE, YEAH, IT MAY GO DOWN TO 4.6, 4.5 AT THE MOST MAYBE ON THERE.
IF WE DID, UH, THIS WE HAVE, SO AGAIN, THIS IS LEVEL PRINCIPLE.
WE DID ASK JOE TO RUN THE NUMBERS IF WE DIDN'T DO A LEVEL PRINCIPLE PAYMENT, AND THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE.
THE DEBT SERVICE GOES DOWN TO 1.3 THE FIRST YEAR.
SO THAT SOFTENS THE BLOW, BUT YOU PAY FOR IT IN THE END.
YOU PAY 1.1 MILLION MORE IN INTEREST AT THE TAIL END TO SOFTEN THE BLOW ON NOT PAYING THE PRINCIPAL UP FRONT.
CAN WE, CAN WE CHANGE THAT AT SOME POINT? LIKE IF WE SAY, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS OPTION AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND WE SAY, OH NO, WE CAN PAY MORE.
CAN WE DO THAT PAID OFF EARLY? PAY IT OFF EARLY.
UM, I KNOW THAT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENS.
YOU CAN IF IT'S STRUCTURED THAT WAY, BUT USUALLY IT'S STRUCTURED AT THE VERY TAIL END.
YOU CAN HAVE A CALLABLE ON A BOND, BUT IT'S, IT'S USUALLY AT THE TAIL END.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT SAVES YOU A LOT OF MONEY.
PLUS THE BUYER'S NOT, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DEBT'S GONNA BE THAT THEY'RE PAYING SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR MONEY'S COMING IN AT.
INVESTORS' GONNA NOT WANNA DO THAT.
SO SET IT UP FOR LIKE FIVE YEARS WITH A CALL OR SOMETHING.
HAVE WE DONE THAT BEFORE WE CALL? USUALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE HAD, WE'VE REFINANCED BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATES, RIGHT, INTEREST RATES DOWN.
SO DONE THAT OPTION WITH THE CALLABLE, BUT IT'S MORE TIED, IT'S MORE TIED TO THE INTEREST RATE BECAUSE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS.
WELL, DURING COVID THE INTEREST RATES DROPPED SO LOW WE WERE CALLING THE DEBT SO WE COULD REFINANCE IT AT A LOWER RATE.
BUT, AND THE INTEREST RATES HISTORICALLY ARE STILL LOW.
I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT AS LOW AS THEY WERE, BUT THEY'RE STILL PROBABLY, WE'RE STILL IN THE LOW PERIOD OF A 30 YEAR.
THESE ARE BASED ON A 20 YEAR 5% THAT JOE DID.
SO LETTING
YEAH, I WOULD, MY QUESTION, MY, MY FEAR IS, IS LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE A LOT OF DEBT, MORE DEBT THAN WE'VE EVER HAD WITH THAT EFFECT OUR BOND RATING.
AND HE ALSO SAID THAT THIS IS A SMALL ISSUE, YOU KNOW, UH, SO HE PROBABLY WOULD'VE NO NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE POLY WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CAR OR NON BOND.
SO I WANT, I WANT TO FIX YOU, YOU WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY,
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BUT I WANTED, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS, THAT SOFT AND BLOW BRI HAD ASKED ABOUT IT.I'M NOT, I DON'T LIKE PAYING EXTRA MONEY ON THE BACKEND POINT, PAYING IT, UH, ON THERE, BUT IT DOES SOFTEN THE BLOW.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SOME VOTERS ONLY THINK ABOUT THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.
WHAT DOES IT COST ME TODAY? OUR CURRENT FINANCIAL POLICY IS TO DO IT THE WAY WE DO IT WITH THE STRUCTURED, YOU KNOW, DEBT PRINCIPAL REDUCTIONS.
JOE SAID IF YOU'RE GONNA DO 20, IT'S NOT REALLY WORTH YOUR EFFORT TO CHANGE THE WAY YOU DO THINGS JUST FOR THIS SIZE ISSUE.
BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GONNA GO BIG, THEN YOU CAN MAYBE DO THAT.
HIS, HIS, HIS ADVICE WAS HE DID NOT THINK THAT THE 20 MILLION ISSUE WAS BIG ENOUGH FOR US TO CHANGE OUR, THE WAY THAT WE DO THINGS.
IF WE WERE DOING R'S WISHLIST, BUT 50 MILLION.
BUT HE SAID IT WOULD BE WORTH HAVING THE DISCUSSION, WE'D ALL BE MOVING TO THE RAIL.
IF, IF COUNCIL TOLD ME TODAY, GUYS WE NEED TO BUILD A NEW PD AND WE NEED TO REDO LAKE ROAD AND YO AND
IF WE WOULD PROBABLY BE PROPOSING, BUT IT'D BE A 50, IT'D BE A 30, 40 MILLION MIGHT EVEN BE GOING OUT 30 YEARS INSTEAD 20 OR SOMETHING.
WE, WE COULD NOT FIND THE NEW PDD BUILDING BEING BUILT INTO THE CITY R SIDE LESS THAN WE THIS OPTION.
YES, WE CAN DO ANY NUMBER THAT WE CAN RUN ANY NUMBER THAT WE WANT ON THERE.
UH, SORRY, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE BEFORE I GO TO THE NEXT ONE? SURE.
HER REQUEST, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, A COUNCIL MEETING OR THE WORKSHOP, WHATEVER, THAT YOU CAN HAVE THAT LIVE SO WE CAN CHANGE NUMBERS AND SEE, UH, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE RATHER THAN HAVING SHEETS OR SHEETS OF PAPER? BECAUSE WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE AND IF IT ACTUALLY CHANGES YOUR JOB, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF, CAN JOE CHANGE THIS ON THE FLY LIKE THIS? I, WE CAN SHOW YOU WHAT A DIFFERENT BOND ISSUE AFFECTS THE AVERAGE HOMEOWNER AT YOUR HOME.
YOU CAN PLUG IN YOUR HOME VALUE.
YOU CAN SEE HOW EACH ONE, IT COULD, WE, WE DID THAT ON A, AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET.
I MEAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF HE TELL, I MEAN IF IT'S JUST THE PRINCIPLE, THE, THE YEARS AND THE RANK, WE CAN DO THAT KIND OF JUST MAKE UP.
BUT PROBABLY WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM THAT WHY ARE YOU DOING THE WAY YOU'RE DOING THINGS, UH, AND YOU KNOW, WE GET, HERE'S ANOTHER OPTION, BUT IT COSTS YOU LESS UPFRONT BUT COSTS YOU LONGER IN THE, IN THE LONG RUN.
OH, I WOULD, NO, I WOULD NOT, I MEAN, I WOULD NOT TALK TO, I WOULD NOT TALK TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT COUNCIL NEEDS TO DESIGN.
IF WE WANT TO DO THE WAY WE ALWAYS DO IT OR CHANGE IT.
I, I THINK WE WOULD CAUSE YOU, I CONFUSE YOU GUYS GIVING YOU ALL THE OPTIONS ON OUR TAX RATE.
IS THAT BECAUSE I CONFUSE MYSELF BY THERE.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN EXPLAIN IT TO THE PUBLIC.
CAN YOU START GIVING DIFFERENT WAYS? I THINK WE, WE NEED TO PICK ONE AND JUST SAY LET THEM CHOOSE ON THE 20 MILLION.
WE CAN, WE CAN RUN, WE CAN RUN THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS.
AND I THINK THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE HOUSE, WHICH IS LITTLE, THE CITIZENS WOULD BE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT.
OH NO, SORRY, THIS, RIGHT, THAT'S, THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL FOUR.
THIS ONE SHOWED JUST COMBINED THE EFFECT OF EACH 20, HOW THEY COMPARE.
IS THAT RIGHT? YOU COULD SEE THE DARK BLUE IS WHAT WE HAVE.
THIS IS WHAT I WAS SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC.
THIS, SO THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THIS ONE.
WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND, EVEN THOUGH YOU CANNOT FIND A HUNDRED THOUSAND HOME IN JACKSON, UH, WHAT IT COST.
BUT, SO IF YOUR HOME IS THREE, YOU KNOW, JUST MULTI AVERAGE HOME, JUST MULTIPLY IT BY THREE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE AVERAGE HOME WHEN YOU GET CLOSE 10 BUCKS A MONTH.
THAT'S THE DEAL IS PEOPLE DON'T, THEY DON'T THINK ABOUT HOW LOWER TAX OR TO START WITH, IT'S JUST, IT'S A CUT FOR COFFEE AND START.
SO WE DID 20 MILLION LOOKING AT ABOUT $6 A YEAR.
THE CONCEPT, NO, THAT'S NOT 200 HUNDRED.
$12 A MONTH FOR THE AVERAGE HOME IN LAKE JACKSON.
AND THE FIRST YEAR IS THE MOST EXPENSIVE.
THEN IT, YOU KNOW, IT DROP, YOU KNOW, DOWN.
IF WE NEVER ISSUE DEBT, WE CAN'T MAKE THAT PROMISE AT ALL AGAIN.
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HAVE.AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE, THE LAST SLIDE, IT WOULD SHOW YOU WHAT WE CALCULATE RIGHT NOW WHAT THE TAX RATE WOULD BE.
THE 10 MANY WOULD GO TO ALMOST 35.
IT'D BE A LITTLE OVER 37 AT 25TH.
ABOVE HOW WE COMPARE, EVEN IF YOU PASSED THE HIGHEST YOU WOULD BE LEAGUE CITY.
SO WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDING WHAT I KNOW NO ACTION, BUT WE NEED TO GET TWO BURN NUMBERS.
I REALLY WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK TO YOU.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TAKE OFF THE LIST.
I, RIGHT NOW I'VE HEARD SIDEWALKS IS YOU NOT CRAZY ABOUT HOW ABOUT TAKING OFF SIDEWALKS? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT TAKE OFF THE ROOF.
WELL I THINK ANOTHER WAY TO APPROACH THIS WAY, WAY I LOOK AT THIS IS, IS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BOND HERE, OKAY.
FOR THESE ITEMS. AND YOU KNOW, AND WE SHOULDN'T BE GOING TO THE PEOPLE ON THESE ITEMS UNLESS THESE ARE HALF THE HAVES.
OKAY? IF THE BOND FAILS, ARE THESE, ARE THESE ENOUGH HALF THE HAVES TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA STILL GO DO IT.
IT'S JUST WE'RE GONNA DO IT BY RAISING THE PROPERTY TAX.
I MEAN IF, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TWO WAYS TO FUND THIS AND IT'S EITHER THROUGH A BOND OR PROPERTY TAX.
SO ON ALL THE FACILITIES STRAIGHT TAX, YOU WOULD NEVER, NO, THE EXPANSION WOULD DIE.
YOU WOULD NOT DO THE, WE WOULD NOT ISSUE THE 2.4 MILLION.
IT'S ALREADY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUPPLEMENT, WE CANNOT COME UP WITH ANOTHER MILLION TO SUPPLEMENT.
SO THAT PROJECT JUST DIES ALL WILL BE DOING OUT OF OPERATIONS AT THE END OF THE YEAR SAVINGS THIS YEAR WE'RE PROJECTING, UH, LITTLE OVER 1 MILLION.
WE'LL JUST FIX THINGS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IF WE FIX THE ROOF, SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR.
SEE WE CAN, WE COULD, WE CAN SEQUENCE OUT SOME OF THE STUFF FOR PD, FIX THE ROOF, RIGHT? THEN PUT THE COOLER IN, RIGHT.
BUT UH, BUT AGAIN, YOU, YOU WORK THAT INTO A BUDGET IN WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE, YOUR TAX RISK.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU CAN GET, YOU CAN GET TO WHERE YOU WANT TO GET, BUT IT WILL TAKE YOU LONGER WITHOUT THE MODEL.
THERE'S NO GRANTS FOR FACILITIES.
I MEAN OTHER THAN A GRANT FOR MINING MAYBE OR SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME EFFICIENCY THING THAT LOWERS ELECTRICITY ACROSS.
SO YOU HAVE A STATE SENATOR THAT HELPS YOU PAY FOR A NEW EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BUILDING.
THAT'S WHAT SHE, I MEAN THAT'S HOW THEY GOT, HOW THEY GOT THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS BUILDING IS STATE FUNDS.
SO IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR SCHOOL TO DO A VIDEO ON SHOWING FACILITIES AND SOME THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE ASKING FOR MONEY FOR, SO WE'D PROBABLY USE OR SOMETHING.
I YOU SEND VIDEO, YOU KNOW, A PROFESSIONAL JOB.
WE DID THAT THE LAST FALL AND IT WAS, IT WAS, IT WAS GOOD.
WE DID INHOUSE IF WE DIDN'T DO A PAY THE HIGH SCHOOL SI, MY GUT FEELING IS I'M, I LEAN MORE TO WHAT RHONDA HAS SAID IS THAT VOTERS WILL APPROVE A LOT OF STUFF SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, AND JUST WRITE US A BLANK CHECK.
I COULD PROBABLY, I THINK THAT WE ASKED, I THINK IF WE, I THINK IF WE ASKED FOR 20 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, THEY'D PROBABLY GIVE IT TO US.
AND I DON'T WANT TO ASK FOR THAT MUCH MONEY BECAUSE THEN YOU GET STICKER SHOCK AFTERWARDS LIKE, OH MY TAX BILL REALLY WENT UP AND THEN EVERYBODY GETS UPSET BECAUSE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT I THINK WE DO NEED TO ASK FOR, I THINK WE NEED TO ASK FOR 19 MILLION AND I THINK WE NEED TO EDUCATE AHEAD OF TIME.
I DON'T WANNA GET TOO COMPLICATED WITH THE EDUCATION.
'CAUSE PEOPLE TAKE IT AND RUN A HUNDRED DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WITH IT.
THE LITTLE HOUSE PICTURES, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GET THIS FOR IT, BUT HERE'S WHAT A BOND IS.
HERE'S WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD ABOUT BONDS.
HERE'S HOW LAKE JACKSON'S HANDLED BONDS IN THE PAST AND WHY OUR PROPERTY TAXES REALLY HAMMER HOME OUR PROPERTY TAX RATE IS REALLY LOW.
AND THEN AT THE END, HERE'S YOUR THREE LITTLE HOUSES OR HERE'S YOUR HOUSE AND THIS IS HOW MUCH THE $19 MILLION WILL COST YOU.
AGAIN, I, BUT I DON'T WANNA GO AND UPSET THIS AND NOW, SO I'M BRINGING IT UP REALLY EARLY THIS TIME.
I DON'T WANNA ASK FOR ANY BOND MONEY UNLESS WE REALLY DON'T HAVE FLUFF STUFF ON THE BUDGET.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, IF OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE, IF WE SPEND SEVEN, $8 MILLION ON MAKING SURE YOU HAVE NEW ROOF, NEW AC AND ADDITION ON PD, ALL OF THESE THINGS, THEN IT HAS GOT TO BE OUR GOAL TO MAKE SURE THAT
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THOSE THINGS ARE MAINTAINED FROM HERE ON OUT.SO MAYBE INSTEAD OF SPENDING $40,000 ON FIREWORKS THAT'S GONE IN 12 MINUTES, WE SPLIT THAT BETWEEN PD AND FIRE AND INCREASE THEIR MAINTENANCE GOAL.
THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S HOW I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF WHAT A GOOD BUDGET SHOULD LOOK LIKE.
WELL YOU HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR NOVEMBER REPLACE, WE REPLACE THE ROOF ON PD AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF.
IS THE COST THAT YOU'VE BEEN PUTTING IN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS AND BUDGET TO REPLACE, YOU KNOW, FIXED PATCHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SAY IT'S 10 GRAND OR WHATEVER I BUDGET IS, THAT GOES AWAY BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT VERY NEW ROOF.
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING IT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL THE VOTERS IS, OKAY, WE'RE ASKING YOU FOR THIS, BUT WE'RE DOING OUR PART ALSO.
AND REALLY GOING THROUGH WITH PENN AND JUST SAYING, OKAY, DO WE NEED A FUNCTIONAL FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT PROTECTS OUR MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF ASSETS THAT YOU'VE PAID FOR ALREADY? OR DO YOU WANT A 12 MINUTE FIRE WORKSHOP? I JUST, I THINK IT'S KIND OF A NO BRAINER.
UM, I THINK THESE OTHER THINGS ARE NICE, BUT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BIG TICKET ITEMS, WATER, SEWAGE, STREET THAT WE KNOW WE'RE FACING THAT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM ASKING FOR 19 OR 20 MILLION.
AS LONG AS WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING WITH ALL THE DOLLARS.
WE NEED TO ASK FOR IT AND HAVE, HAVE ORDER.
I MEAN THEY NEED DIRECTION FROM US NOW.
I MEAN WE'RE ON A TIGHT SCHEDULE.
THEY NEED DIRECTION FROM US NOW.
AND WHATEVER WE LAND ON, WE'RE GONNA BE ON HOOK FOR.
WHAT I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GOING, WE DETAIL OUT THE COST FROM 15 TO 20.
IF I KNOW EACH OF THOSE, WE'RE GONNA FINALIZE OUR NUMBERS ON THE BUILDINGS AND KNOW WHAT WE NEED AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN SUBTRACT.
ONE POSSIBLE GIVE IS SIDEWALKS, BUT ALSO ANOTHER GIVE IS SOME DRAINAGE BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO THE FACILITIES FIRST.
BUT AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO DO, YOU KNOW, MORE DRAINAGE WORK.
BUT SIDEWALK IS, WELL DRAINAGE IS AN EXAMPLE.
WE GO AROUND WITH SLOPE OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE, THE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS, ONE TO $3 MILLION.
HOW MANY DITCHES DOES THAT GO INTO SLOPE? TWO.
SO HOW MUCH IS THAT GOING TO SAVE YOU ON MOWING? MOWING OVER THE LACK OF THIS FARM GONNA SAVE YOU? I I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.
I MEAN RIGHT NOW AT THE MOS WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCIES RIGHT NOW.
UH, SOME PROOF OF CONCEPTS, SOME BUSINESS MODELS TO GO IN A DIFFERENT
AGAIN, THE LOPING JUST GIVE YOU REDUCED MAINTENANCE OR DOES IT GIVE YOU THE ABILITY TO MOVE WATER UP QUICKLY? IT IT MOVES WATER AND IT WILL INCREASE THE VELOCITY OF WATER LEAVING THE SYSTEM.
THAT'S MORE, TO ME THAT SHOULD BE MORE THE FOCUS IS YES, DRAINING IS DRAINING.
GETTING THE WATER OUT OF THE INNER CITY, GET THE WATER OUT OF THE STREETS FASTER, THE STREETS QUICKER.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T SEE THE DOLLARS WE SPENT ON MOWING.
WHAT THEY SEE IS HOW LONG THE WATER STAYS IN THERE.
SO SOMETHING GOING LOOK AT MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY, OKAY, YOU PAVED THE DITCH IN BANYAN DITCH AND YOU GOT WEED RUNNING IN THERE THAT FOUR FOOT TALL.
SO WHAT DID YOU SAY AT THE CRACKS? NO.
I MEAN, CAREFUL WHAT YOU TELL THEM THAT YOU SHOULD TO BACK IT UP BECAUSE YOU TELL THEM ALL THESE STORIES FROM ME, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT ANYMORE.
YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TELL THEM ALL YOU WANT AND THEY CAN GO LOOK OUT THERE AND SAY, YOU TOLD ME THIS IS WHAT GOING PAY FOR THIS CONCRETE BE WONDERFUL.
IT CAN BE WHERE IT GOES WITH VALVE PEPPERBERRY AND ALL THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NOW THE WATER DOESN'T FLOW THERE.
MAINTENANCE, YOU MAINTAIN THEM.
SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN EITHER HAVE, YOU CAN HAVE 300 FEET OF SLOPE STUFF WHERE EVERY 10 FEET YOU HAVE A WEED GROWING UP OR YOU HAVE 300 FEET OF WEED.
SO GOATS, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE EVERY 10 FEET, THERE'S A WEED STICKING UP, UH, THAN HAVE 300 FEET OF STUFF THAT DOESN'T GET MOW.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING BE ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS ARE LOOKING AT NARROW FOCUS.
WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THEIR BACKYARD, NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY.
EACH PERSON HAS THEIR OWN RIGHT PERSPECTIVE.
YOU SAVE ANY MONEY IF YOU'RE DOING LIKE THE STREETS ON YO ON AND GO ON SIDEWALKS AT THE SAME TIME YOU'RE BUYING COUNTRY FOR BOTH.
YOU GET IS IT CHEAPER TO DO IT THAT WAY? IT'S GONNA BE 2 MILLION FOR SIDEWALKS NEXT TIME.
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DO IT, IT'S SCALE ON THAT.BE PACKAGED TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT MAKE, MAKE WE DECIDED TO PACKAGE TOGETHER.
SIDEWALK PLANS JUST TOOK OVER VERY FAR.
MEANS THAT WE DID ONE PROJECT REALLY THIS YEAR ON LAKE ROAD.
NICOLE, HOW MUCH WAS THAT? 204,000 FOR WHAT? ON LAKE ROAD? YEAH, FOR THE SIDEWALK.
SO HOW FAR IT WENT FROM OAK DRIVE SOUTH UP TOWARDS THIS WAY, BUT NOT THE WHOLE WAY TO THIS WAY BECAUSE THAT ONE SECTION WAS COMPLETED.
IT WAS JUST PATCH WORK BASICALLY.
THERE WAS SOME EXTRA STABILIZATION AT THE ONE DITCH.
I KNOW THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
SO WE HAVE, THEY DID A GOOD JOB.
I'M GONNA WAIT AND SEE HOW LONG IT LASTS, BUT THEY GOOD.
THERE'S JUST NO WAY AROUND THE CONFERENCE.
WELL WE JUST THINK ALL OF THE PROCESSES, WHAT, WHAT IS REALLY AS INDIVIDUALS WHAT WE FEEL ARE IMPORTANT AND, AND UH, COME BACK AND SHAVE IT IF YOU NEED.
SO WE'LL RUN THE TRAPS ON ANYTHING.
WE'LL GIVE YOU 16, 17, 18, 19, 20.
WE'LL FIRM OUT THE, THE COST OF ALL THE FACILITIES AND LET'S HOPING NO MORE THAN 8 MILLION ON PANEL REPLACEMENTS.
IF WE CAN GET, WE NEED THE NUMBERS, RIGHT? YES.
BUT IF WE CAN GET NEW ACS AND WHAT YOU, I WOULD HELPED YOU GET AND DO EIGHT OR $9 MILLION IN PANEL REPLACEMENT AND KEEP IT AT 15 MILLION.
I MEAN WE NEED TO ASK THE LOWEST NUMBER THAT WE CAN GET THINGS DONE CORRECTLY.
NOT THE LOWEST NUMBER TO PUT BANDAID ON EVERYTHING.
BUT THE TWO EYES PARTIES I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW THAT COUNCIL WOULD AGREE ON PANEL REPLACEMENTS AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING BUILDING.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO HIGHEST PRIORITIES IN DRAINAGE ONLY THE PUBLIC SAFETY MONEY GIVES US COMPLETED PROJECT.
LIKE A NEW ROOF, NOT A SPRAY LINE.
GRANTED MIGHT BE ONE TO BE A BOND.
GRANTED IS EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, GRANTED IN THERE THAT YOU MIGHT HELP YOU GET THE BOND DRAINAGE MAY BE A SEPARATE BOND.
WELL IT'S ONLY 3 MILLION NEED THE DRAINAGE DRAIN.
UH, MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING MONEY INTO, INTO OFFICES, NOT THAT WE EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID IS HOW LONG ARE THEY GONNA LAST IF YEAR, TWO YEARS THE SIDEWALKS WE WOULD PLANT YOU GO BACK TO CIP IV TRYING TO BUDGET A HUNDRED HUNDRED 50,000, 200,000, YOU KNOW, OUT OF SAVINGS AND JUST SAY DO REPAIRS OUT OF SAVINGS EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
TAKING THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS OFF IS, IS A BIG HELP BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE A DENT IN IT AT ALL UNDER THE CIP.
AND FACILITIES IS ALSO A BIG DRAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE WERE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY THIS YEAR ON BUILDING REPAIR AND IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THE CIP SO WE CAN DO OTHER THINGS.
AND SO IF WE TAKE SOME OF THESE THINGS OFF, THAT'LL HELP.
DURING IT, NOTHING GETS FINISHED.
EVERYBODY WORKS TO CONVEY DAYS ON IT.
EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLARS LEFT OVER AND IT JUST DOESN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE.
SOMEBODY MIGHT ASK IS DURING THE TAX RATE, UH, APPROVAL THAT WENT UP ON THE
SO IF WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THAT OFF, WHERE IS THE NO YOU SAID IT IS FOR A STREET PANEL AND THEN STREET REPAIRED.
IT WAS, IT WAS AN OBLIGATED JUST FOR NO IT WASN'T.
SO WHAT WE GONNA DO WITH THE MONEY NOW? WE PROBABLY MOVED IT, STILL PUT IT IN STREETS.
SO IT'LL STILL CONTINUE TO FOCUS PRIMARILY ON STREET JOINTS.
WE KNOW AT THE BARE MINIMUM WE NEED TO BE SPENDING $200,000 A YEAR ON JOINT, YOU KNOW, AND IT'LL PROBABLY START TO REFOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS ON HALF STUFF.
SO WE'LL USE IT ALL UP, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA FOCUS RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE GET OUT OF THE HOLE ON STREET JOINT.
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THROWING MONEY AT AND AND JOINT.BUT 200,000 WE USED THIS YEAR OUT OF THE CIP WAS ALL ON OCD.
YEAH, IT GETTING ADDED IN
SO IT CONTINUE HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WITH TRUCKS, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE TRUCKS GOING THROUGH THE STREET ALL THE TIME.
WE NEED TO HAVE BETTER SIGNAGE, NO TRUCKS AND FORCE IT ON CD ALL DAY LONG.
WE ALREADY HAVE TO SOLVE THE STREETS.
YOU SAYING MORE SIGNS ENFORCEMENT? I MEAN SIGN DOESN'T SAY DON'T DO IT.
WE DON'T HAVE IT BETWEEN OPTION BETWEEN THE HIGHWAY AND THE DROP, WHICH IS THE BOUND AND UH, BUT WE ALLOW TRUCK TRAFFIC TO THERE.
I MEAN TRUCK TRAFFIC IS ALLOWED TO THERE.
YOU HAVE TO ALLOW, YOU HAVE TO GIVE, WE HAVE TO GIVE HER YOU HAVE TO GET TO HV.
YEAH, THEY HAVE TO GET TO HEV.
I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS COME OFF THE 2 88.
OCD AND OAK DRIVER ARE BOTH TRUCK.
NO, OCD IS NOT A TRUCK WASN'T FROM THE, FROM THE HALLWAY ABORTION.
WHAT? THAT'S IT? YEAH, THAT'S OCDI MEAN I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST OFF THE HIGHWAY.
DOWN OAK DRIVE TO HB RIGHT THERE.
YEAH, YOU DON'T AND THEN WHEN YOU GET TO KROGER AGAIN THAT LITTLE BIT YOU GET ROAD, BUT THERE IS A PORTIONS OF OCD THAT OUR TRUCK ROUTES.
HUH? FROM 3 32 TO OAK WESTERN CREEK DRIVE IS A TRUCK ROUTE.
YEAH, BUT YOU'RE SAYING USING NORTH CREEK DRIVE, THAT'S NOT NORTH CREEK DRIVE, THAT'S OAK DRIVE AND THE HIGHWAY.
WELL NO, IF I'M UNDER THE SAME PAGE THEY COME OFF, THEY COME OFF OCD AND GET TO OAK.
THEY HAVE TO, THEY HAVE TO TURN ON OAK TO GET TO HEB.
SO IT'S OCB IT WAS HIGHWAY DOWN COULD DOWN UNDER THE OAK.
COULD THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO THOUGH.
IT'S THEY CAN DO EITHER ONE LEGALLY.
THE SHORTEST DISTANCE COUNCILMAN, THAT'S THE SHORTEST DISTANCE FROM THE HIGHWAY TO THE BUSINESS.
I MISUNDERSTOOD THEN I THOUGHT IT WAS OFF HIGHWAY, DOWN OAK DRIVE AND DO CREEK.
YEAH, YOU DO YOU LIKE IN FRONT THE PAWN SHOP.
THIS ONE WITH PARKED
THE ONLY THING WE, FOR THE BUSINESSES FOR DOWNTOWN IS LIKE WE'VE HAD THE WORST HOUSE IS UM, IS TO TRY TO KEEP YOUR GEAR TRUCKS AND STUFF IN THE EARLY MORNING.
THE TRAFFIC'S MINIMUM AND NOT DO DURING PRIME TIME.
AND THEY, THEY WANT TO TRY TO DO THAT AS WELL, BUT ALL OF 'EM HAVE TO HAVE DROP TRUCK TRAFFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT IN TIME ON THERE.
SO YOU TRYING TO NOBODY RUN OVER THE CURB YET.
IS THERE ANY MOVEMENT ON THE TDC LAND? ANYTHING FLOWING AROUND ANY ROOM ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THEY GONNA DO WITH IT? SELL WHICH LAND ON THE TDC LAND? WHERE THE CURRENT FACILITIES AT? WHAT THE LAND THAT HAD BEEN SOLD THAT WE WENT THROUGH ALL, ALL THE THAT'S WHAT ALL ALL THE YES.
THEY'RE HOPEFULLY WITHIN, IF THINGS WORK OUT WITHIN 90 DAYS IT WOULD BE SOLD.
OH MY FROM THE GUY THAT THIS IS PERSON.
AND UH, ANYWAY, THE GUY'S GOT THE MONEY.
I'VE SEEN HIS INTERNATIONAL BANK SAID ACROSS THE TABLE FROM ME AND SHOW ME THIS IS WHAT THE GUYS 20 BILL.
IF HE, IF A GENTLEMAN THAT'S LOOKING AT BUYING TODAY, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, HE WANTS TO SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CITY WANTS THAT AREA TO BE.
WE WANT IT TO BE LIKE A, ANYWAY, WHAT DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE? OKAY.
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YOU KNOW, HE'S GONNA AND AND IT'S HIS MONEY.SO HOW MUCH? HUH? MUCH HOW MUCH YOU WANT? HE INDIVIDUALLY JUST 70 MILLION.
IT'S NOT ME BY WAY I'M HIT THAT LOT.
BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE PROBABLY OFF TOPIC.
THE ONE THING THAT CONCERNS ME ABOUT DOING A BOND IS WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHERE THE IDA GOING.
IT'S ALL EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING GOING OUT.
WHERE'S THE WELL, ALRIGHT, I MEAN IT, THE STATE IS STILL, I MEAN THERE'S STILL LEGISLATION THAT WANTS TO TAKE OUR ABILITY, UH, AWAY, UH, TO BE ABLE TO ANNEX, KEEP US, TAKE THAT AWAY FROM US BEING ABLE TO ANNEX THOSE AREAS.
UH, BUT THERE IS STATE LEGISLATION THAT THAT PROTECTS IDA THAT'S STILL THERE.
SO IT'S, THAT'S NOT MY PROBLEM IS THE PEOPLE THAT USED TO BE THE TRUST NOW ARE ASKING QUESTIONS AND NOT WANTING TO SIGN THINGS.
THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WORRY ABOUT.
WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER THEIR NAMES.
YEAH, THE MAYOR AND I HAVE DIFFERENT CONCERNS.
I'M MORE CONCERNED WITH GREENPORT.
I THINK THEY'RE A WILD CARD RIGHT NOW BASED ON MY DISCUSSIONS.
WELL, WELL IT'S, IT'S THE WHOLE I IDEA A THING THAT'S I'M CONCERNED BUT THERE'S ALL KIND OF THING, ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT THINGS CAN IMPACT, UH, FREEPORT ALREADY BECAUSE THEY CHANGED, YOU KNOW, MAYOR AND MANAGER AND THE QUESTIONS COME UP OF, YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE GOING IN, WE LIKE TO JUST KEEP IT THE SAME.
THEY WERE LIKE, WE NEED TO EXPLORE INCREASING IT.
OR THE QUESTIONS NOW COME UP OF, WELL WHAT HAVE WE ALL SPLIT UP IN? WE ANNEX.
SO THE QUESTIONS BEEN RAISED BUT SEEN, I DUNNO IF THAT'S HAPPENED AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL OR SOMEONE'S JUST TALKING DID HAVE A LONG TIME AGO AND HOPEFULLY CAUGHT ME OFF GUARD DIFFERENT.
ANYWAY, WE STILL HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LEADING PARTY, WHICH I'LL HAVE THE CONVERSATION.
SO I'VE ASKED TO TALK WITH, UH, DENISE, UH, AND WHO'S SAM.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO SCHEDULE A MEETING SOON AS WE CAN.
ANYONE TO KEEP YOU? WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE HAVE TILL THE ROOM BOOKED TILL 11