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MATT, I'M GONNA DONATE.[INVOCATION]
ALL RIGHT.I'VE GOT SIX 30 ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT MY COMPUTER.
SO WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
AT SIX 30, UH, PM AND, UH, WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MONDAY, JANUARY 6TH, 2025 IN REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT 25 OAK DRIVE.
UH, AGAIN, WELCOME TO IT'S EVENING, AND, UH, WE'RE GONNA START, BEGIN WITH PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN SOUTH I FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES, AND FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH FOR ALL HONOR OF THE TEXAS FLAG TO TEXAS.
ONE INMI INVOCATION THIS EVENING WILL BE PROVIDED BY, UH, COUNCILMAN ELL.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER HERE THIS EVENING.
AND AS OUR MEETING CONTINUES AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE STRENGTH, COURAGE, AND WISDOM TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE FEEL ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR, UH, RESIDENTS, AND THAT OF OUR, OUR CITY.
PLEASE BE WITH OUR EMT FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL, AS WELL AS OUR MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES.
TRAVEL WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US AS WE HEAD HOME WHEN WE'RE DONE.
[PRESENTATIONS]
ALRIGHT.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, PRESENTATIONS.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, RECOGNITIONS FOR, UH, 2024 TAF LOCAL, UH, FEMALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR, AND MALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR.
YOU WANNA COME DOWN AND HELP ME? THANK YOU.
AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE PART OF OUR MEETINGS WHEN I GET TO DO THESE PRESENTATIONS.
'CAUSE UM, WHEN WE GIVE THESE OUT, IT'S TO VERY WELL DESERVED YOUTH.
SO TONIGHT I'D LIKE TO PRESENT OUR, RECOGNIZE OUR 2024 TAF FEMALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR.
MADELINE PARROTT CAN HEAR HER.
MADELINE HAS BEEN A COMPETITIVE SWIMMER SINCE SHE WAS FIVE YEARS OLD WHEN HER FAMILY MOVED TO LAKE JACKSON TWO YEARS AGO.
JOINING THE LAKE JACKSON SWIM TEAM WAS HER FIRST SPORT.
SHE CHOSE DIVING IN WITH ENTHUSIASM THIS PAST 24, UH, 2024 SUMMER SWIM SEASON.
SHE ALSO PLAYED SOFTBALL AND WAS SELECTED FOR THE ALL STARS TEAM.
DESPITE HER FULL SCHEDULE, MADELINE'S LEADERSHIP INSPIRED BOTH HER AND HER TEAMMATES AND COACHES.
SHE COMES TO PRACTICE PREPARED, RADIATING A POSITIVE CAN-DO ATTITUDE, CHEERING ON HER TEAMMATES, AND CONSIST CONSISTENTLY DELIVERING OUTSTANDING PERFORMANCES ON GAME DAY.
TOWARD THE END OF THE 2024 SWIM SEASON, HURRICANE BURROW POSED A MAJOR OBSTACLE IN THE REGIONAL TRAINING BY CAUSING POWER OUTAGES TO SHUT DOWN ALL AVAILABLE POOLS IN THE AREA.
MADELINE ROSE TO THE, UM, OCCASION PLACING FIRST AND SIX RACES.
HER SUCCESS FUELED HER DRIVE TO COMPETE IN FIVE RACES AT STATE.
DESPITE BATTLING ILLNESS, MADELINE REMAINED DETERMINED AND GAVE HER BEST EFFORT AT THE STATE MEET.
HER PERFORMANCE WAS IMPRESSIVE, CLAIMING FIRST IN BOTH RELAY RACES AND THIRD IN THE 100 FREESTYLE.
AS AN 11-YEAR-OLD THIS SUMMER HIGHLIGHTED MADELINE'S NATURAL LEADERSHIP AND UNWAVERING DEDICATION.
TAF SPORTS HAVE HELPED HER BRING OUT THE BEST IN HER.
IT IS OUR HONOR TO PRESENT YOU THE PLAQUE FOR THE 24 20 24 TAF FEMALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR.
THIS BRINGS US TO THE 2024 TAF MALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR.
COLBY HAS BEEN SWIMMING IN LAKE JACKSON SWIM TEAM SINCE HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD.
IT WAS CLEAR FROM THE BEGINNING THAT HE WAS A NATURAL ATHLETE AND STRONG COMPETITOR.
HE RARELY MISSES A SWIM PRACTICE AND ALWAYS PUTS FORTH HIS BEST EFFORT.
HE CONSISTENTLY MEDDLED AT THE STATE, MEETS AND EVEN SET RECORDS THROUGH HIS HARD WORK AND DILIGENCE.
COLBY ACHIEVED FOUR MEDALS AT THE 2024 SUMMER STATE, MEET THREE GOLD AND ONE SILVER.
COLBY ALSO ENJOYS PLAYING SOCCER AND BASKETBALL.
HE ATTENDS THE GIFTED AND TALENT ACADEMY AND AS WELL AS ACTIVE IN ROBOTICS, SPELLING BEE, AND THE HOUSTON RODEO ART SHOW.
IT IS OUR HONOR TO PRESENT YOU WITH THE 20 20 24 TAF, A MALE ATHLETE OF THE YEAR.
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CAN I GET Y'ALL PICTURE? COME BACK? CAN YOU SCROLL UP AND SHOW ALL THE DIFFERENT YEAH.JUST SEE, LOOKING FOR THIS, KEEP GOING.
IT'S JUST AMAZING HOW MUCH AND FOR A PERSON THAT CAN'T SWIM.
AGAIN, YOU GUYS ALWAYS IMPRESSED ME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE, UH, Y'ALL'S CHIEF.
DO YOU WANT, Y'ALL WANT TO STAND UP HERE? AND I'LL GET YOUR PICTURE REAL QUICK.
MARIE'S NOT HERE ON YOUR SIDE.
SO SIT AND PARENTS ALSO POST THIS TOO, ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
I'M SO SORRY IF IT'S NOT THE BEST.
[VISITOR COMMENTS]
OKAY, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VISITOR'S COMMENTS.THIS ITEM IS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN ISSUE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENT PRESENTED ISSUE, NOR MAY THEY TAKE AC TAKE ACTION ON ISSUE.
AT THIS TIME, ANY ITEM PRESENTED COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA FOR A REGULAR SCHEDULED, UH, FUTURE MEETING.
WE HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE, UH, QUITE A LONG LIST.
AND SO WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS WE'RE GOING TO, UH, LIMIT COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES.
AND IF WE DON'T GET THROUGH EVERYBODY, UH, FOR, WITH THE THREE MINUTES OVER IN, IN THE THREE MINUTES, A DISCUSSION COMMENT.
AND WE'LL DO IT FOR 30 MINUTES.
IF THERE'S STILL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COMMENT, WE WILL RESUME THIS AFTER WE COMPLETE THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
SO FIRST PERSON IS NANCY PEARSON, BETTER KNOWN AS NANCY DEL CHICO.
I DON'T LIKE GETTING IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, BUT I'M DOING THIS 'CAUSE I FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT IT.
MY CONCERN IS THE CODE, THE WORDING REGARDING THE ABILITY OF OUR CATS AND DOGS TO BE UNRESTRAINED ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND BECAUSE WE'RE IMPROVING THE SPCA'S ABILITY TO HOUSE DOGS AND CATS UNTIL THEY'RE ADOPTED, MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY TO LOWER THE COST OF SPAYING AND NEUTERING AND EVEN REATING HOMELESS DOGS AND CATS.
SURELY OUR CITY RESPECTS OUR PERSONAL DECISIONS PERTAINING TO THIS MATTER.
ANOTHER SITUATION, THE FIREWORKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE, WHICH I LIVE ON WHINING WAY THAT WERE SET OFF ON DECEMBER 31ST, WERE INCREDIBLY LOUD, WENT ON CONSISTENTLY FOR SIX HOURS, AND WERE IRRITATED TO MANY RESIDENTS, AT LEAST THE ONES I SPOKE TO.
I KNOW EVERYONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERYONE IN THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND SEEMS TO ONLY AFFECT, YOU KNOW, US AND OUR PETS BECAUSE MANY ARE TERRIFIED AND THEY RUN OFF DURING SITUATIONS LIKE THIS.
EVEN IF THEY'RE SECURE, THEY STILL RUN OFF.
FRANKLY, IT WAS QUITE TERRIFYING AND THE WORST I'VE EVER HEARD IN MY 15 YEARS ON WINDING WAY STREET.
UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, LET'S SEE.
DWAYNE, YOU'RE GONNA SPEAK ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM.
UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, NANCY MOELLER.
OH, WELL MINE IS AS SOON I'LL NEED YOU TO COME BACK UP.
UM, I WOULD JUST ASK THAT WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE WITH THE RESTRAINT OF THE CATS ON THE FUTURE AGENDA.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW, JUST SINCE WE REALLY CAN'T DISCUSS IT.
BUT IF IT COULD BE PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA OKAY.
MIKE WALLACE, 59 SOUTHERN WOOD COURT.
UM, UNLIKE THE OTHER TWO I I, UM, ABOUT THE CATS, UNFORTUNATELY COULDN'T BE HERE FOR THE MEETINGS THAT OCCURRED, UH, AHEAD OF TIME.
BUT, UM, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT.
MY ASK WOULD BE THAT WE PLACE THAT ON A FUTURE CITY COUNCIL VIRGINIA TO TAKE, TO TAKE A LOOK AT,
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YOU KNOW, REWORDING THE ORDINANCE OR GOING REVERTING BACK TO HOW THE ORDINANCE WAS, WAS MADE.UH, WOULD BE MY ASK OF CITY COUNCIL.
UM, I'M UNABLE TO STAY FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING, BUT I DID WANT TO BRING UP, UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM.
I DON'T KNOW ALL THE, HUH? YOU CAN'T, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, SO, SO I CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AT, DURING THE AGENDA ITEM.
SO MY CONCERN IS, SAME WITH THE CAT ORDINANCE, IS WHAT ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THE ACTIONS, RIGHT.
MAKING BLANKET, UH, ORDINANCES THAT ARE MAYBE MORE DESIGNED TO FIT SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES.
UM, IF I CAN'T TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME SPECIFICS ON THAT AGENDA, THAT'S I THINK WHERE I'LL LEAVE IT.
UM, AND I'LL COME BACK TO THE NEXT MEETING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
WELL, IT'S THAT AGENDA ITEM THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE SEVERAL AGENDAS TO TALK ABOUT SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT 'EM ANYWAY.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW MY NUMBER.
AND I'LL PROBABLY BE, I'LL PROBABLY BE EMAILING Y'ALL.
UH, DYLAN SPILLERS, UM, I'M KIND OF NEW TO THIS STUFF, BUT, UM, I READ THE ORDINANCE AND IT JUST KIND OF STRUCK ME AS ODD THAT WE WOULD BE ASKING RESIDENTS TO RESTRAIN THEIR OWN CATS OR DOGS WITHIN THEIR, EVEN IF THEY'RE ALREADY WITHIN THEIR OWN PROPERTY LINES.
UM, I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE REPRIMANDING OUR PEOPLE FOR, YOU KNOW, HAVING THEIR CAT THEIR DOG WITHIN THEIR OWN YARD.
YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT THE, UM, INTENT OF IT, BUT THAT'S HOW IT CAME ACROSS TO ME AT LEAST.
AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE TOO, THAT YOU ALL JUST DIDN'T WANT ANY OF OUR ANIMALS TO GO OUTSIDE, EVEN IF THEY ARE AN PREDOMINANTLY OUTSIDE ANIMAL.
I UNDERSTAND THE, YOUR COMMENTS.
WE HAVE, UH, I HAVE NO IDEA ON HUCKLEBERRY.
COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME? I CAN'T
I AM A RETIRED MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL FROM THE CITY AND OR HAVE BEEN.
AND, UH, I'M CURRENTLY A FOSTER FOR HOPE IN PARA LAND HOMELESS AND ORPHAN PET ENDEAVOR.
AND, UH, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT A LOT OF THE ANIMALS.
I KNOW THAT THE SPCA CANNOT HANDLE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, AND I HAVE MANAGED TO RESCUE 14 CATS AND GET THEM ADOPTED THROUGH PARA LAND.
UH, I'M KIND OF ANGRY AT THIS EXPANSION OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I THINK IN 2017, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THIS CAME UP BEFORE WHEN, UH, MAYOR HANHARDT WAS HERE AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT CATS WERE DIFFERENT THAN DOGS AND COULDN'T REALLY BE LYED AND COULDN'T REALLY BE RESTRAINED.
AND HAVING LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCES TODAY ABOUT STAKING OUR ANIMALS IN THE BACKYARD AND ON A LINE, AND, UH, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THAT'S PRETTY DANGEROUS FOR THE CATS.
AND THAT CONCERNS ME, UH, FROM WHAT I'VE WATCHED THE VIDEO OF THE MEETING TWICE, AND I WAS WAITING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT BEFORE I EMAILED ANYBODY.
UH, AND, UH, I, UH, I WAS JUST CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC WASN'T NOTIFIED.
UH, MOST OF US DON'T GET THE NEWSPAPER ANYMORE AND OTHER, ASIDE FROM HAVING TO, UH, READ THE AGENDA EVERY OTHER WEEK AND FOLLOW THE CITY MORE CLOSELY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I UNDERSTAND Y'ALL HAVE THE POWER TO NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY IN OTHER WAYS.
UM, I'VE HAD DOGS, CATS, HORSES, UH, FOR YEARS.
UH, YOU'RE TREATING THEM THE SAME.
I CAN'T TREAT MY HORSE THE SAME WAY I TREAT MY CATS OR, OR THE DOGS.
UM, AND, UH, I, I THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT DIFFERENT FOR THE CATS.
UH, WHILE YOU ASSURED US IN THE MEETING THAT THIS IS NOT TO GO AFTER PEOPLE, I, YOU'VE GOT AN ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, UH, OFFICERS, AND THEY'RE PART OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I HAVE WORKED WITH THEM AND LOVE MOST OF 'EM.
I HAVE A FRIEND IN PARTICULAR WHOSE DOG WAS REMOVED FROM HER YARD WHILE SHE WAS STANDING THERE AND TOLD THAT SHE HAD TO GO PAY THE FINE TO GO GET THE DOG.
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ONE WHOSE DOG NEIGHBOR WHOSE DOG GOT AWAY AND SLIPPED OUTTA MY HANDS AND BEFORE SHE COULD GET THEIR ANIMAL CONTROL PICKED UP AND HE REFUSED TO GIVE IT TO HER.UH, SO WHILE THE WORDING IS GOOD AND THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL'S GOOD, I HAVE CONCERNS THAT IT CAN BE AN ABUSE OF POWER AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT REVISITED.
UM, I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO ABSOLUTELY HATES CATS.
UH, THERE ARE, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IS DAMAGED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S MY CAT.
AND HE COMES AND TALKS TO ME ABOUT IT, EVEN THOUGH MY CATS ARE UP AT NIGHT AND THAT SORT OF THING.
AND, AND WE'VE PROVIDED HIM WITH OTHER METHODS TO DETER CATS.
AND, UM, IF A CAT'S ACROSS THE STREET, HE HATES IT.
SO THE, THE FEAR OF FOR ME IS THAT THIS POWER WILL BE GIVEN THAT SOMEBODY CAN COME IN MY YARD AND TAKE MY CATS.
I HAVE CONCERNS THAT, UH, IN THE FUTURE, NOT RIGHT NOW, THAT THIS WILL BE USED AS A A MEANS TO EUTHANIZE FERAL CATS THAT COULD BE REHABILITATED OR ADOPTED.
I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO SEE THE USE OF A TNR PROGRAM IN, IN THE CITY RATHER THAN BRINGING CATS IN THAT WILL BE EUTHANIZED IN 72 HOURS.
I THOUGHT WE WERE A NO KILL SHELTER.
SO THAT, THAT WORDING CONCERNS ME.
AND AS EVERYBODY ELSE, I REQUEST THAT THIS BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA WITH PROPER NOTIFICATION AND LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE COULD SPEAK ON IT.
THANK AND, UH, RACHEL AT MISS TON 1 0 7, MISS.
AND IT'S, COULD YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? LE LEMU, MA'AM.
SO, UM, SORRY, MINE'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT I'M GETTING MY WORDS OUT.
SO THE LAKE JACKSON RESIDENTS, UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT ONE WILL BE ABLE TO MAYBE FOLLOW UP AND BRING UP SOME NEW IDEAS THAT COULD BE PRESENTED.
UM, MINE IS A SPINOFF OF THE CAT NUISANCE ORDINANCE.
UM, AND IT'S MAYBE OF MORE OF A ROOT CAUSE.
SO, UM, I'M HERE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN REGARDING THE RECENT NUISANCE ANIMAL POLICY, WHICH INCLUDES CATS.
WHILE THE INTENT BEHIND THIS POLICY IS TO MANAGE STRAY AND WANDERING ANIMALS, IT OVERLOOKS THE ROOT CAUSE OF THESE ISSUES.
IT'S IN ITS UNFAIRLY IMPACTING RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS AND VULNERABLE ANIMALS.
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS POLICY IS REACTIVE TO A DEEPER SYSTEMIC ISSUE RATHER THAN A PROACTIVE, UM, APPROACH, UH, ADDRESSING THROUGH THE ROOT CAUSES.
ALTHOUGH I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF LAKE JACKSON, I HAVE WITNESSED FIRSTHAND THE EFFECTS OF PET POOR PET OWNERSHIP AND STRAY ANIMAL OVERPOPULATION IN MY HAND.
I HAVE THE DOCUMENTATION SHOWING THE NUMBER OF CATS I'VE PERSONALLY STERILIZED, UH, EITHER THOUGH EITHER THROUGH MY OWN FUNDS OR EXTERNAL PROGRAMS THAT ARE EXISTING OUTSIDE THE BRAZORIA COUNTY AREA BECAUSE THEY'RE ALMOST LIMITED TO NON-EXISTENT.
UM, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THESE CATS ARE FROM LAKE JACKSON RESIDENTS THAT REACHED OUT TO ME WITH DESPERATION, UM, TO HELP PREVENT FURTHER SUFFERING OF THESE ANIMALS.
UM, MANY OF THESE CATS WERE BORN OUTDOORS AND DUE TO THEIR EXPERIENCES, THEY PREFER TO REMAIN OUTSIDE CONTRIBUTING TO THE CYCLE OF OVERPOPULATION, WHICH IS REALLY OVERSTRESSING OUR AREA.
UH, THIS, THE STRESS IS, UM, THE STRESS THIS PLACES ON THE RESPONSIBLE HUMANS WHO CARE FOR THEM AND HAVE TAKEN TIME TO STERILIZE THEM IS IMMENSE BECAUSE THEIR ABILITY TO KEEP THESE ANIMALS SAFE IS DIMINISHED WHEN THEY WANDER OFF THEIR PROPERTY.
BY PROVIDING, UH, AFFORDABLE SPAY AND NEUTER SERVICES, WE CAN BREAK THE CYCLE PREVENTING NEW LITTERS AND REDUCING THE NUMBER OF CATS THAT NEED TO BE MANAGED UNDER THE CURRENT NUISANCE POLICY.
AND THIS WILL E EASE THE BURDEN ON THE ALREADY OVEREXTENDED, UH, CITY SERVICE.
I URGE THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A PROPOSAL FOR A CITY SPONSORED SPAY AND NEUTER PROGRAM.
SUCH AS, SUCH PROGRAMS WOULD REDUCE UNWANTED LITTERS ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE STRAY CAT POPULATION AND MITIGATE THE BEHAVIOR SUCH AS ROAMING AND FIGHTING.
UM, I, IT WOULD OFFER HUMANE SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY CHALLENGE.
AND MANY COUNTIES, COUNTIES IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA HAVE SUCCESSFULLY IM IMPLEMENTED SIMILAR PROGRAMS USING GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS WITH LOCAL VETERINARIANS WHO PROVIDE THESE SERVICES AT REDUCED COSTS.
SUCH EXAMPLES WOULD BE TESP AND PET SET CLINICS.
UM, AND I RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR THE SUPPORT IN IMPLEMENTING THESE PROGRAMS TO ADDRESS THE STRAY CAT ISSUE AND IMPROVE THE OVERALL HEALTH OF THE WELLBEING OF THE CITY.
UM, SO JUST KIND OF LIKE THE ROOT CAUSE MAY BE A FUTURE ISSUE THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP.
AND I KNOW RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT TO THEN I DO WHEN I HAVE MY WORD OUT HERE.
UM, BUT I AM, UH, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF ONE OF THE CAT RESCUES IN HOUSTON, AND WE HAVE VERY FEW, UM, RESOURCES IN THIS AREA.
SO WE'RE OFTEN PULLING PEOPLE IN FROM THE BRAZORIA COUNTY AREA WHEN THEY HAVE NEED FOR ANIMALS SPAYED AND NEUTERED AND STUFF.
DO YOU HAVE A BUSINESS CARD? I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME.
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UH, AS AN EMAIL.COULD YOU BE SURE AND GET HER INFORMATION SO I CAN CONTACT HER AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME THINGS? OKAY.
UH, I'D KINDA LIKE TO START BY SAYING I HAVE FOSTERED ABOUT 200 CATS OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS.
UH, SO MY HEART
AND I WAS THINKING MY, MY SONS GREW UP HERE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM'S IN HIS FORTIES NOW AND, AND THEN THE YOUNGER ONE, HE WAS ON THE COMMITTEE TO GET THE SKATE PARK GOING.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS, HE WAS ONE OF THOSE KIDS THAT THE TEACHERS WOULD CALL AND GO, MS. COPE.
AND SO I WAS SO HAPPY THAT SOMEBODY WAS CALLING AND TELLING ME THAT MY SON WAS HAVING A POSITIVE IMPACT.
AND I'M A LITTLE SASSY MYSELF, AND SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE MY AMENDS TO, BUT ONE, ONE REALLY BIG CONCERN.
AND WHAT I LIKED ABOUT WHAT SHE HAD TO SAY IS THAT LET'S NOT PIT OURSELVES AGAINST EACH OTHER.
LET'S FIND A SOLUTION, RIGHT? I MEAN, A SCALE, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED, WE NEEDED TO FIND SOMETHING FOR OUR KIDS.
AND WE DIDN'T
THEY ARE SKATEBOARDING IN FRONT OF, UH, BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN.
LET'S NOT DO THIS WITH THE CATS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SHAKE OUR FINGERS AT 'EM AND TELL 'EM THIS IS NOT HOW WE DO BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, I DID MY PART, YOU KNOW, I TRICKED A CAT INTO EATING ROTISSERIE CHICKEN AND, AND THEN GETTING FIXED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I, I BEFRIENDED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AREA TO GET, UH, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I WENT, I WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND AT THE SHELTER TO SAY, HEY, I JUST CAUGHT A MAMA CAT AND A TOTAL OF 11 KITTENS IN MY BACKYARD.
UM, IF I FOSTER THEM, CAN WE GET THEM ADOPTED THROUGH YOU? AND I THINK, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME AMAZING PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE NEED TO START LOOKING FOR SOME AMAZING SOLUTIONS.
AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING P****D OFF AND THEY WANNA BE MEAN AND THEY WANNA BE SELFISH AND HATEFUL, WELL THEN, UH, MAYBE WE NEED TO TALK TO 'EM LIKE WE TALK TO OUR THREE YEAR OLDS.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT HOW WE ACT IN A CIVILIZED SOCIETY, YOU KNOW? THAT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THAT I HAVE PUT MYSELF AND MY TIME AND MY HEART INTO IT ENOUGH THAT I SHOULD BE BELIEVED AS SOMEBODY WHO'S GONNA WORK HARD AT CONTINUING TO FIND THE SOLUTION FOR THIS.
RIGHT? I WANNA SEE COMMITTEES, RIGHT? I WANNA SEE, YOU KNOW, BOOTS ON THE GROUND FOR THIS.
OR SIR, COULDN'T SEE IF THAT'S A H OR AN M.
I LIVE ON ONE 18 HUCKLEBERRY DRIVE.
I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT THE CAT ON LEASH ORDINANCE.
UM, SO I HAVE A CAT, IT'S AN OUTDOOR CAT.
UH, MY CAT PATCH CAME TO OUR FAMILY ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
SO WE THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S TAKE CARE OF THIS CAT WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD.
WE GOT HIM CHIPPED AND NEUTERED.
WHEN HE NEEDS MEDICAL CARE, WE PROVIDE IT.
NOW, PATCH HAS ALWAYS LIVED OUTSIDE.
PATCH MAY NOT WANNA LIVE INSIDE.
FRANKLY, HE CAN'T 'CAUSE WE HAVE ALLERGIES.
IN FACT, HE WANDERS UP TO PEOPLE AS THEY WALK DOWN THE STREET.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES OUR CAT.
HE SLEEPS IN THE GARAGE WHEN HE WANTS TO.
NOW THIS ORDINANCE WOULD SEEM TO STATE THAT HE NOW NEEDS TO BE INDOORS, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT FEASIBLE OR OTHERWISE ON A LEASH, WHICH IS CERTAINLY NOT PRACTICAL.
NOW, I SAW POSTED IN THE RESPONSE, UH, FOR ALL THE
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COMMENTS TO THIS, THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THE MANPOWER NOR THE INTEREST TO GO AROUND LOOKING FOR FERAL CATS OR PET CATS.AND THAT FRANKLY NO ONE WOULD EVER BE AFFECTED BY THIS ORDINANCE CHANGE UNLESS THE CAT WAS DESTROYING THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY.
UH, AT THE SAME TIME, THE LAW, THE RULE, THE ORDINANCE IS IT'S WRITTEN SEEMS TO SUGGEST THAT YOU NEED TO FOLLOW THIS.
NOW I DO STRUGGLE WITH THAT ON A PERSONAL LEVEL.
UM, CERTAINLY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CITY INTENDS TO ISSUE ORDINANCES THAT THEY DON'T INTEND TO ENFORCE.
UH, THAT WOULD AT BEST BE BAD BUSINESS.
UH, ON THE ALTERNATIVE, IF WE DO ENFORCE VERY ACTIVELY THAT LAW, THEN THAT WILL CERTAINLY BECOME A CRISIS FOR CAT OWNERS, THEIR FAMILIES, AND CERTAINLY THE CATS THAT ARE AFFECTED.
SO I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO PUT CATS IN THE SPCA THAT ARE OWNED AND LOVED CATS.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENTION TO ULTIMATELY PUT DOWN THOSE CATS.
UH, I ALSO DON'T BELIEVE IT'S A CITY COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO ENACT IN ORDINANCES THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE INTENTION TO ENFORCE.
UH, BASED ON THAT, I FEEL STRONGLY THAT THIS ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REVISITED.
I DON'T FEEL THAT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN PROBABLY WILL HAVE THE EFFECT THAT'S INTENDED.
UH, CERTAINLY WE WANT TO PROTECT AND TAKE CARE OF CATS AND ALSO RESPECT PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AS PROPERTY OWNERS.
HELLO, I'M STACEY SUSO, 56 PLANTATION COURT.
UM, I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I FOUND OUT ON FRIDAY THAT I'M A CRIMINAL.
I HAVE BEEN HARBORING CATS THAT ARE UNRESTRAINED IN MY YARD.
AND NOW THAT'S A CRIME IN LAKE JACKSON.
WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING, I'VE BEEN FEEDING THEM ON MY CARPORT AND THREE OF THEM ARE MY PETS.
UH, I USED TO DO A LOT OF TNR TRAP NEUTER RETURN.
SOME OF THOSE ARE TNR CATS THAT CANNOT BE HANDLED.
I LIVE NEAR A PARK AND UM, THE CATS ARE WELCOME THERE.
THEY'RE HAPPY THEY'RE LIVING OUT THERE.
I LEAVE MY SHED DOOR OPEN WHEN IT'S COLD.
THEY, UH, HAVE AIR CONDITIONING WHEN IT'S WARM.
THEY'RE NOT PERSONALLY MY CATS.
AND OUR NEIGHBORS ALSO PARTICIPATE IN THE FEEDING AND CARRYING OF OUR PARK CATS.
WE ACTUALLY CALL 'EM COURT CATS.
AND, UM, OUR ENTIRE STREET, WE HAVE A, A GROUP CHAT AND WE SHOW PICTURES OF OUR PARK CATS AND OUR CORK CATS.
THESE ARE FERAL CATS, BUT WE LOVE THEM.
CAN'T TOUCH 'EM, BUT WE LOVE 'EM.
UM, THEY CAN'T BE BROUGHT INSIDE.
THEY'RE NOT BOTHERING ANYBODY.
SO FIRST I'D LIKE TO, UM, ASK YOU TO REVISIT THE ANIMAL ORDINANCE AND CHANGE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.
THE MAJOR REASON THAT YOU STATED FOR CREATING THIS ORDINANCE WAS TO DEAL WITH SOMEONE WHO GOT OR TO TAKE CARE OF SOME, A SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE'S PROPERTY WAS DAMAGED.
WE ALREADY HAVE A NUISANCE ORDINANCE.
IT'S IN THE ANIMAL SECTION 10 ANIMAL SECTION.
THAT SECTION A EXCLUDED CATS FROM THE REQUIREMENT THAT THEY BE RESTRAINED.
SECTION B DID NOT EXCLUDE CATS.
AND THAT IS A SECTION THAT SAYS THAT NUISANCE ANIMALS CAN BE SUBJECT TO THE PENALTIES OF THE REST OF THE SECTION, WHICH, AND ALSO STATES THAT THE PENALTIES ARE A FINE OR IMPALMENT.
YOU DIDN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING.
YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
SO THIS WHOLE PROBLEM GOES AWAY IF YOU USE THE NOR NUISANCE ORDINANCE TO DEAL WITH NUISANCES.
ORDINANCE, I'M SORRY, MY, I CAN'T SAY ORDINANCE FOR SOME REASON.
WE ALREADY HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS.
WE DIDN'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
A CAT THAT IS A NUISANCE CAN STILL BE IMPOUNDED A CAT.
THAT'S A NUISANCE IF YOU KNOW THE OWNER AND CAN FIND THE OWNER, YOU CAN STILL FIND THE OWNER DIDN'T NEED TO BE DONE.
WISH I'D KNOWN ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU DID IT, BUT I'VE BEEN RETIRED FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO REINSTATE THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I THINK IT WAS USEFUL WHEN IT WAS HERE.
UM, IT WAS ABANDONED AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST, AND I THINK NOW'S THE TIME TO BRING IT BACK.
UM, IT'S A, IT WAS A, UH, LAKE JACKSON COMMITTEE, JUST LIKE THE CODE OR, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COMMITTEES, TRAFFIC COMMITTEE, ALL OF THAT.
UM, I, I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO SAY ABOUT ANIMALS AND HOW THEY'RE
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TREATED IN THE, IN THIS COMMUNITY.UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD DO A WORLD OF GOOD TO HAVE THE ANIMAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE BACK TO ADVISE COUNSEL, TO LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, ADVISE, ADVISE COUNSEL.
SO YOU ALSO DON'T HAVE SUCH A LENGTHY PERIOD LIKE THIS OF US ALL COMING TO TALK TO YOU TOGETHER.
UM, AND THEN LAST, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU TO EDUCATE YOURSELVES ABOUT THE BENEFIT TO THE, TO THE CITY OF THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.
IT CAN MITIGATE THE TAX BURDEN OF SHELTERING ANIMALS UNNECESSARILY.
AND THIS INVOLVES, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE RETURN.
SO WHEN YOU HEAR TNR OR TNVR, IT'S TRAP NEUTER, VACCINATE RETURN FREQUENTLY.
SO THE ANIMAL CONTROL KNOWS THAT THAT CAT IS NO LONGER, UH, UH, REPRODUCING.
UM, AND I THINK MY TIME IS UP, BUT I APPRECIATE IT.
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I REALLY THINK THAT Y'ALL CHANGED THE ORDINANCE 'CAUSE YOU MISSED ME
AGAIN, I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT EVERYBODY GAVE.
AND, UH, ALSO I WANNA SAY THAT I APPRECIATE THAT ALL YOU DO FOR THE ANIMALS.
OKAY? WE DO, WE DO APPRECIATE IT.
UH, WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS, IS THAT, UH, UH, GOING TO, I'M GOING TO, UH, CHAIR A, A SUBCOMMITTEE AND, UH, IF MEMBERS, IF THERE'S ANY MEMBERS ON COUNCIL THAT WANT TO, UH, OFFER UP TO PARTICIPATE, AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT BELOW, UH, UH, THREE MAX ON COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY CAN CONTACT ME AND, UH, WE'LL SET THAT UP.
AND, BUT THEN ALSO ON RESIDENCE, IF YOU, UM, CAN YOU SET UP, DO YOU WANT THEM TO LEAVE NAMES HERE AND ADDRESSES HERE? OR YOU WANT THEM TO EMAIL YOU? UM, IT MIGHT BE CLEARER IF THEY EMAILED YOU.
UH, AND I CAN, UH, I CAN GET SOME OF MY BUSINESS CARDS AND PASS THEM OUT.
SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, AND RIGHT NOW I'M THINKING OF THE STRUCTURE MAY BE IN THE FORM OF A TOWN HALL MEETING TYPE STUFF.
UH, BUT, UH, IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S GONNA, MY THOUGHTS ON IT THAT WE'LL HAVE EXPERTS ON BOTH SIDES.
UM, AND, UH, THE OTHER, THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I WILL MAKE IS, IS THAT I DIDN'T, IS THAT, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SPCA DID APPROACH HIS COUNSEL ABOUT A TRAP NEUTER RELEASE COUNCIL WAS RECEPTIVE AND SAID, GO OUT, GO DEVELOP YOUR PLAN, BRING IT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT THE PLAN IS.
AND THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION WE MADE WAS IS THAT IF YOU DO IT, START AT A LOCATION THAT IS, THAT IS EASILY MANAGED LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA.
UH, WE, THIS COUNCIL NEVER DID RECEIVE A PLAN FROM SBCA ON DOING A TRAP NTER RELEASE.
SO WE'VE NEVER, I MEAN THIS IS A DIFFERENT, SOME OF US ARE DIFFERENT HERE ON COUNCIL WHENEVER WE MADE THAT DECISION.
BUT THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME WAS IN SUPPORT OF A TRAP NEUTER RELEASE.
THE CHALLENGE IS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, IS ALL THIS COSTS MONEY.
YES, YOU CAN GO GET GRANTS, BUT WE HAVE TO WORK ON THIS TOGETHER.
THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE EARLIER IS, IS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ROOT CAUSE.
SO MUCH EFFORT IS PUT INTO AFTER THE FACT, FIXING THE PROBLEM AFTER THE FACT.
SO LITTLE IS PUT INTO THE CAUSE.
I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PROMOTER OF LET'S GO ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSE.
AND THOSE AREN'T EASY SOLUTIONS EITHER.
SO THIS IS GOING TO, IF GOING FORWARD, WE WILL GO FORWARD WITH THIS, IS THAT, UH, WE WILL TAKE THIS CHALLENGE, UH, UH, AND IT'S GONNA EVEN ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S EVEN GONNA GO BEYOND CATS.
IT'S GONNA BE ANIMALS AS A WHOLE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO AND HOW CAN WE GO ADDRESS IT? WHAT KIND OF THINGS ARE THAT CAN BE THOUGHT ABOUT AND DISCUSSED, UH, AND LAY A PLAN GOING FORWARD.
BUT IT TAKES A COMMUNITY EFFORT.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL COMING.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN VERY EASY FOR Y'ALL TO COME VERY UPSET AND SCREAMING AT US.
AND I APPRECIATE THAT Y'ALL DIDN'T.
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, AGAIN, WHEN THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 19 YEARS ALREADY FIXING TO LEAVE.
AND EVERY TIME WE'VE BROUGHT UP THE, THE ISSUES OF CATS, WE'VE HAD LONG DISCUSSIONS.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE AND ONE PARTY.
THEN THERE'S BEEN OTHER PARTIES THAT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED.
THERE'S BEEN DOG LOVERS THAT SAY, WELL, WHY DO YOU
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TREAT THE DOGS DIFFERENT THAN YOU TREAT CATS? WE'VE HAD THE, THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, OKAY, WE'RE BIRD SANCTUARY.ALRIGHT? AND THEY BRING THE DATA THAT SHOWS HOW MANY BIRDS, CATS KILL EVERY YEAR.
ALL RIGHT? I CAN'T FIX THOSE THINGS.
SO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS ON HOW WE CAN BEST ALL LIVE TOGETHER AND TAKE CARE OF THESE ANIMALS.
AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS GETTING PEOPLE TO BE RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERS.
THE SBC A'S CHALLENGES IS, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE.
THEY DECIDE TO GO BUY JOHNNY A A PUPPY FOR CHRISTMAS.
AND THE FIRST TIME THE PUPPY NIPS THE KID, THE KID DOESN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT.
THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, IT'S AN UNWANTED DOG.
SO SAME THING CAN HAPPEN WITH CATS.
AGAIN, I'M ALREADY GOING ALONG HERE, BUT STRAY CATS DO PRESENT A PROBLEM.
YOU CAN TALK TO MY FATHER IF HE'S STILL ALIVE.
INCLUDE, HE WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF MICE AT THE HOUSE.
WELL, ONE DAY HE DECIDED HE WANTED TO PET THE CAT.
HE SENT, HE SPENT A MONTH IN THE HOSPITAL WITH AN INFECTION, ALMOST LOST HIS ARM UP TO HIS SHOULDER.
SO THERE ARE CHALLENGES TO ALL THIS STUFF.
SO WE JUST NEED TO, WE, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'RE GONNA PRESS FORWARD AND LIKE I SAID, I'LL, I'LL LEAD A TASK FORCE AND I INVITE ANY MEMBERS OF COUNCIL UP TO TWO MORE PEOPLE ON COUNCIL TO JOIN ME.
AND, UH, WE'LL GET THIS SET UP AFTER THAT COMMITTEE MEETS AND COME, WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE COUNCIL.
REAL QUICK, WHO SAYS LADY THAT WE SHOULD EMAIL? THAT'S SALLY.
I, I JUST SET MY BUSINESS CARD.
BUSINESS CARDS ARE OVER THERE.
AND LIKE I SAID, THE FIRST TIME IT MAY BE JUST LIKE TOWN HALL MEETING TYPE DEAL, AND THEN WE'LL FORM A MORE FORMAL COMMITTEE TO, TO GO FORWARD AND STUFF.
BUT THIS IS ALSO IMPORTANT WITH US GOING FORWARD WITH OUR NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY TOO.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF WORK BEHIND THE SCENES THAT Y'ALL AREN'T AWARE OF, THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THINGS RIGHT, NOT TRYING, WE ARE GONNA DO THINGS RIGHT.
THERE'S A LOT OF EFFORT GOING INTO THAT.
SO, AGAIN, I'VE ALREADY TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THIS TOPIC, BUT, UH, SINCE IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, BUT I JUST WANNA SAY THOSE THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND, UH, AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND TALKING TO US.
[DECLARATION OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.UH, THIS IS WHERE ANY MEMBER ON COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY AGENDA ITEM.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT NEEDS TO DECLARE A CONFLICT? NO, SIR.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
SIR.NOT HEARING ANY, WE'LL GO TO CONSENT AGENDA.
UH, ITEM ONE IS APPROVED MINUTES OF DECEMBER 2ND, 2024.
ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARD AND COMMISSION MINUTES, UH, PLANNERS AND TRAFFIC.
ITEM THREE, AUTHORIZED RATIFICATION AND PURCHASE OF WATER METERS, UH, FROM AQUA METRIC NOT TO EXCEED AN, AN AGGREGATED AMOUNT OF $250,000.
UH, ITEM FOUR IS APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH BAKER LAWSON, UH, FOR ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.
UH, SCOPE FOR PARKWOOD TERRACE SUB, EXCUSE ME, SUBDIVISION FOR $66,000 IS BUDGETED.
ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 3, AMENDING CHAPTER NINE OF THE LAKE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES TO REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THE WILLOW DRIVE SCHOOL ZONE.
ITEM SIX IS APPROVED A CONTRACT EXTENSION VALID, UH, THROUGH AUGUST, 2025 WITH SIRIUS SERIOUS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, FOR DISASTER DEBRIS REMOVAL SERVICES AS PART OF, UH, RFP NUMBER 2 2 0 6 0 0 1.
ITEM SEVEN, UH, AWARD CONTRACT FOR, UH, PAINTING AND CORROSION CONTROL MAINTENANCE FOR CITY WATER WELLS AND LIFT STATIONS TO, UH, UH, INTEGRITY SERVICES IN A CONTRACT AMOUNT OF $197,938 AND 80 CENTS WITH A NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AMOUNT OF $200,208,000, WHICH INCLUDES 10,000 FOR KEY CONTROL INSPECTION SERVICES BY SWP, I MEAN STW AND INSPECTIONS.
THE, UH, AVAILABLE BUDGET AMOUNT IS $500,000.
ALL RIGHT, THAT IS ALL THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IS THERE ANY REQUEST FOR ANY MEMBER OF COUNSEL TO MOVE AN ITEM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT HEARING? SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
CONSENT AGENDA ONE THROUGH SEVEN.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.
UH, ITEM ONE ON REGULAR AGENDA HAS BEEN REMOVED BY REQUEST OF THE, UH, PERSON, PEOPLE, THE GROUP THAT, UH, REQUESTED
[2. Discuss citizen complaints regarding code enforcement and nuisance issues at 314 Petunia. – Dwayne Leger]
IT.UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO TO DISCUSS CITIZEN COMPLAINTS REGARDING, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND NUISANCE ISSUES AT THREE 14 PETYA.
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DWAYNE.MY NAME IS DWAYNE LA I LIVE IN THREE 16 PETIA RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS, UH, RESIDENCE.
I'M HERE WITH, FOR MYSELF AND THE OTHER, UM, NEIGHBORS AROUND THIS AREA.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, I, I DIDN'T COME REALLY PREPARED.
I JUST FOUND OUT AT 11 O'CLOCK TODAY THAT I WAS GONNA BE ON THE AGENDA.
AND I HAD QUITE A FEW PICTURES I WANTED Y'ALL TO SEE, BUT I DON'T HAVE 'EM.
BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN, YOU CAN FORWARD 'EM TO US LATER.
WE, WE CAN GET 'EM FROM, WE CAN GET 'EM LATER.
AND THE REASON I'M I'M HERE IS I LIVE ON BOTH SIDES OF A RENTAL PROPERTY AND I NEED THE COUNSEL TO HELP US OUT HERE.
YOU GUYS GOTTA KEEP THESE LANDLORDS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR, FOR THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THESE RENTERS, THEY COULD CARE LESS.
THEY HAVE NO, THEY JUST DON'T CARE.
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS, I'VE BEEN LIVING HERE FOR 34 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR 33 YEARS AND I'VE HAD ENOUGH.
SO I NEED Y'ALL TO HELP ME OUT.
ONE OF THE BIG CONCERNS I HAVE IS THESE PEOPLE THAT MOVED IN THERE, JUST, I GUESS IT'S HIS DAUGHTER OR WHATEVER, JUST HAD A BABY TWO MONTHS OLD.
THEY SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND THEY SMOKE DOPE.
THE KIDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE STARTING TO ASK THEIR MOM, WHAT'S THAT SMELL? AND WHAT ARE THESE LADIES SUPPOSED TO TELL THEIR KIDS? I, WE'VE, WE'VE CALLED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
OTHER PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT IT, NOTHING'S BEING DONE.
AND WHAT I'M GETTING TOLD IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA MESS WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MARIJUANA.
BUT MY ISSUE IS, IS THESE TWO WOMEN GIRLS SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH, THEY SMOKE DOPE.
THEN THEY GET IN THE CAR ABOUT 30 MINUTES LATER WITH THE BABY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT ANY MORE MAMAS IN HERE, BUT THAT TEARS ME UP.
'CAUSE YOU'RE PUTTING THAT BABY, I NEVER SMOKED DOPE.
AND I'M SURE IT PROBABLY MESSES YOU UP WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING THAT BABY'S LIFE IN DANGER.
AND, AND THIS IS, THIS HAS GOTTA STOP.
I ASKED THE GUY WHEN HE MOVED IN, I SAID, LOOK, THE ONLY THING I'M ASKING, WE DON'T WANT NO DRUGS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, MOW YOUR YARD.
THE GUY TOLD ME I DON'T MOW YARDS.
I SAID, OH, YOU'RE GONNA MOW YOUR YARD.
AND I SAID, WE DON'T LIKE MUSIC AND WE DON'T LIKE DRUGS.
AND ALL THREE OF 'EM ARE HERE.
SO I'VE CONFRONTED THE PEOPLE, ONE OF THEIR BOYS COMES HOME, I CAN HEAR BOOM, BOOM MUSIC ON 2004 WHEN HE'S TURNING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I CAN FEEL IT FROM MY FEET ALL THE WAY UP MY CHEST.
MY WIFE'S CONFRONTED HIM AND I'VE CONFRONTED HIM.
I SAID, YOU AIN'T GONNA LIKE MY THIRD CALL.
AND THIS GUY THAT OWNS THIS HOUSE, HE LIVES ON RAINTREE, GOT A BIG OLD NICE TWO STORY HOUSE, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND HE DRIVES BY MY HOUSE AND HIS HOUSE.
SOMETIMES TWICE A MONTH HE'LL DRIVE BY.
I'M RIGHT THERE AT THE MAILBOX.
BUT AS SOON AS HE PASSED ME, HE TURNS AND LOOKS AND KEEPS DRIVING.
WE'VE HAD THEIR VEHICLES TWO, SOMETIMES THREE, PARK IT IN THE YARD FOR TWO WEEKS.
NOTHING WAS DONE FOR TWO WEEKS.
I CALLED SOMEBODY ON THE COUNCIL.
THAT'S THE ONLY TIME SOMETHING WAS DONE.
MY LATE FATHER-IN-LAW WAS A SERGEANT, POLICE OFFICER IN LAKE JACKSON.
HE ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT WE AS LAKE JACKSON RESIDENCE OR THE EYES AND EARS OF LAKE JACKSON, WE ARE.
BUT WHEN WE CALL AND LAKE JACKSON DON'T DO NOTHING, THEN YOU JUST THROW THAT EYES AND EARS RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THINGS GOTTA CHANGE AROUND HERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER WHEAT SATCH OR WHATEVER THAT STREET WAS IN LAKE JACKSON.
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S FIXING TO BE THE SAME WAY.
I GOT SEVEN RENT HOUSES DOWN RIGHT NEXT TO MY HOUSE, DOWN MY STREET, AND WE'RE ALL FIGHTING AND STUFF.
SO Y'ALL HAVE TO HOLD THESE LANDLORDS ACCOUNTABLE.
WHEN YOU START HITTING THEIR POCKETBOOK,
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YOU'RE GONNA SEE THINGS CHANGE.THESE RENTERS, THEY DON'T CARE.
I COUNTED THE OTHER DAY, 12 CARS THAT WERE ALL THE WAY DOWN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND THEY'RE ON THE STREET.
AND WHEN I'M BACKING OUT, I CAN'T SEE PEOPLE COMING.
NOW, IF I BACK OUT AND SOMEBODY HITS ME, WHO'S WHOSE FAULT IS IT? WHY I'VE CALLED ABOUT THAT? NOTHING.
SO I, I'M, I'M TIRED OF CALLING CITY AND I NEED Y'ALL HELP.
MS. ROGER, HAVE YOU CONTACTED THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? THE, WHEN YOU SAID LIVES ON RAINTREE, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM? NO, MA'AM.
I DON'T HAVE HIS PHONE NUMBER.
HE WAS A DOW UH, ENGINEER AND HE JUST RETIRED.
HE DON'T LIKE ME AND HE KNOWS I PROBABLY DON'T LIKE HIM.
MAYBE HAVE YOUR WIFE TALK TO HIM, HUH? MAYBE HAVE YOUR WIFE TALK TO HIM.
HIS WIFE SHORT RED, HIS WIFE IS A REDHEAD.
SHE'S REAL MEAN
I DON'T THINK HE WANTS NONE OF THAT.
AND I WORKED WITH HER, BUT I KNOW WHERE HE LIVES.
HE LIVES ON RAINTREE, GOT A BIG OLD HOUSE.
I'M SURE HE PAYS TAXES TOO, BUT I'M TIRED OF PAYING THESE TAXES WHEN I AIN'T GETTING MY MONEY'S WORTH.
SO I'M HERE FOR Y'ALL TO HELP AND I'LL SEND PICTURES TO YOU, MR. MAYOR.
YEAH, YOU CAN SEND 'EM ME OR YOU CAN GET, UH, SALLY'S CARD AND SEND IT TO HER AND STUFF.
IT MIGHT BE QUICK AS WHAT? BECAUSE OTHERWISE I HAVE TO SEND IT TO HER AND THEN, THEN SHE CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO COUNSEL.
SO IF YOU JUST SEND IT STRAIGHT TO HER.
BUT IF YOU WANNA SEND EM, THEN I'LL, WE'LL DO THAT EASIER.
YEAH, I'LL SEND IT TO WHOEVER I SENT YOU MY EMAIL THIS MORNING AND YOU CAN JUST SEND THEM TO THAT.
WELL, HE'S GOT HIM ON HIS PHONE, SO WHY DON'T YOU JUST FORWARD 'EM TO ME AND THEN I'LL, I'LL GET 'EM TO SOME OKAY.
THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH DOWNLOADING HIM, PUT 'EM IN EMAIL AND STUFF.
SO HAVE YOU NOTICED A LOT OF TURNOVER? LIKE DO YOU, IS IT THE SAME PEOPLE YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT? OR IS THERE A BIG TURNOVER IN THE RENTAL? WHO'S RENTING? I'M, I'M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE THIS GUY D DOESN'T DO BACKGROUND CHECKS.
AND I HAVE ON MY RING CAMERA, I WAS GOING TO GET TO THAT AT THE END.
I GOT MY RING CAMERA PICKING UP THIS GIRL GOING TO THE STREET CAR, SITTING OUT THERE WAITING FOR HER AT 1 30, 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, OPENS THE DOOR, REACHES IN, SHUTS THE DOOR, AND DRIVES OFF.
BUT WHAT I'M ASKING IS, IS THAT YOUR CURRENT RENTAL NEIGHBORS DOES THAT, ARE THEY THE SAME PEOPLE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME? OR YOU GET NEW NEIGHBORS ALL THE TIME? YEAH, THEY'VE ONLY BEEN IN THERE SINCE PROBABLY I THINK MARCH, APRIL TIMELINE, BUT NO, THERE'S, THERE'S A TURNOVER.
SO, AND THAT WAS REALLY, WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT AIRBNBS, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE TIME LIMIT WAS BEFORE.
IT'S CONSIDERED SOMETHING MORE ALONG THOSE LINES.
AND DO WE KNOW LIKE RENTAL PROPERTIES, IS THAT CONSIDERED A BUSINESS OR DOES IT JUST DEPEND ON HOW IT'S STRUCTURED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? LIKE TAX WISE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WHAT MEAN? TAX WISE IT'S THE SAME.
NO, WE, THAT WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL TAXES ON A RENT HOUSE.
SO IT WOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED A BUSINESS.
IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL.
I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK BECAUSE MY, MY ONE NEIGHBOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT DOES BACKGROUND CHECKS, HE COMPLAINS ABOUT HIS TAXES ALL THE TIME.
AND ON THE RENTAL PROPERTY, I MEAN, FROM THE LAST, UH, LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IN THE BUDGET IN AUGUST, UH, APPROXIMATELY 37% OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE RENTAL PROPERTY HERE IN LAKE JACQUELINE.
YEAH, WE ARE NOW THE, UH, 37%, 37 7 WE'RE, THAT'S THE STATE AVERAGE.
WE USED TO BE, WHEN I CAME HERE AT 95, WE WERE 22% AND IT'S NOW 37%.
UH, DO WE HAVE, CAN SOMEBODY, DO YOU, WHO CAN YOU HEAR FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS? I HAVE QUESTIONS, YES.
DWIGHT, IF YOU SET A STEP BACK AND, UH, MAY COME BACK FOR EACH SEC, UH, WHENEVER WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, SOMEBODY'S NOT MOWING THE YARD.
UH, WHO DO WE CONTACT? WHAT, WHAT'S THE PROCESS WE GO THROUGH FROM START TO FINISH ONCE WE RECEIVE NOTIFICATION OF A COMPLAINT? EITHER BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TOLD US ABOUT IT OR BECAUSE WE WITNESSED IT, RIGHT.
WE WILL GIVE NOTICE TO THE, TO THE OWNER THAT MIGHT TAKE A DAY.
UH, BUT THEN THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS TO USUALLY CORRECT THAT IN SOME CASES.
WHEN YOU SAY OWNER, WHO'S THE, WHO ARE YOU CALLING THE OWNER OR, OR, OR TENANT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PROPERTY? FOR THE PROPERTY, YEAH.
WE'RE GONNA TRY TENANT FIRST AND THEN IF WE GET NO ACTION THERE, WE'LL GO TO OWNER.
BUT, UH, WE USUALLY GIVE THEM A SET AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COMPLIANCE AND THEN, UM,
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WE DO FOLLOW UPS WITH THEM.BUT THAT, HOW ARE THEY NOTIFIED THAT THAT TIMEFRAME FOR COMPLIANCE IS USUALLY SEVEN OR 10 DAYS? AND THOSE ARE USUALLY DICTATED BY THE STATE.
THEY'RE USUALLY NOTIFIED BY MAIL.
OR WE MIGHT LEAVE A DOOR HANGER AND THEN TAKE PICTURES OF THAT DOOR HANGER WITH THE DATE STAMP SO THAT WE KNOW THAT IT, IT HAS BEEN DELIVERED.
AND THEN DAVID, AFTER SEVEN DAYS, IF IT'S NOT DONE, THEN AFTER SEVEN DAYS, IF IT'S NOT DONE, THEN WE MAY SEND A LETTER LETTING THEM KNOW THAT THEY HAVE, UM, IF WE DIDN'T DO THAT THE FIRST TIME, WHEN YOU SAY THEY EXPLAIN WHO THEY IS, UH, IF WE LEAVE A DOOR HANGER AS AN EXAMPLE WITH A SET TIMEFRAME TO, TO TAKE CARE OF THE CORRECTION, THEN WE ARE OB OBLIGATED BY, OR OUR ORDINANCE TO SEND A LETTER TO THE OWNER AND THE TENANT NOTIFYING THEM THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS IN VIOLATION.
AT THAT POINT, ONCE WE'VE SENT THAT LETTER AND GIVEN THEM A REASONABLE TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE FROM THAT POINT FORWARD, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE NOTIFICATIONS.
WE COULD HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR GO OUT AND MOW AT THEIR EXPENSE.
AND THEN HOW ARE WE REIMBURSED? IS THE, IS THE OWNER BILLED FOR THAT? THEY WOULD BE BILLED FOR THAT.
AND IF IT DOES, AND IF THEY DO NOT PAY, THEN IT USUALLY TURNS AROUND INTO A, UH, LIEN ON A PROPERTY.
AND DAVID, HOW MANY LIENS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ON THAT? I DON'T KNOW MR. MUNDO, BUT I CAN DEFINITELY FIND OUT FOR YOU HOW MANY LIENS WE CARRY.
SO IF, UH, THE PROBLEM IS TAKEN CARE OF AND DO THE, AND THE PROBLEM ARISE AGAIN, DO THE WHOLE PROCESS START BACK ALL OVER AGAIN? TYPICALLY THAT'S A NEW CODE CASE THAT WE'D HAVE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN.
THE EXCEPTION TO THAT WOULD BE, UM, IF WE HAVE A, UH, I'LL USE THE TERM FREQUENT FLYER PROPERTY, LIKE A VACANT PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE GIVEN NOTIFICATION TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.
UH, AND THE OWNER, AGAIN, LETS THAT PROPERTY GROW UP BEYOND WHAT IS A REASONABLE HEIGHT.
UM, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE NOTIFICATION THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR GO BACK OUT.
SO DO, SO DO WE HAVE FREAKING FLYERS THAT PLAY THE SYSTEM THAT THEY MIGHT GET IT TAKEN CARE OF AND THEN THEY LAG OFF AGAIN AND THEN THEY'RE BROUGHT BACK UP? UM, YOU, MR. BAKER, I I, I DON'T WANNA LABEL ANYBODY AS FREQUENT FLYERS IN, IN THAT REGARD BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON IN THEIR LIVES.
BUT, BUT, UH, UH, WE DO HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT WE MAINTAIN MORE THAN OTHERS.
AND WE DO HAVE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ALL IT TAKES IS A, IS A KNOCK ON THE DOOR OR A PHONE CALL OR, OR A DOOR HANGER OR A LETTER.
AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF FROM THAT POINT FORWARD.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS SEEMED ODD TO ME THAT A PERSON DOESN'T REALIZE GRASS GROWS.
UH, IF IT'S GROWING AT YOUR HOUSE, IT'S PROBABLY GROWN AT YOUR RENTAL HOUSE ALSO.
UH, BUT WE HAVE A NOTIFICATION PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.
WE CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND MOW IT OURSELVES WITHOUT GIVING A PERSON A REASONABLE TIME TO, TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
I WAS JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW IS, UH, SERIOUS A PROBLEM? DO WE HAVE THIS IN HERE IN THE COMMUNITY? WELL, IT, IT CAN BE, ESPECIALLY WHEN, WHEN MOWING SEASON REALLY KICKS OFF OR WE COME OFF THE TAIL END OF HEAVY RAINS OR A STORM EVENT OR SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH HAS KEPT PEOPLE OCCUPIED AND KEPT PEOPLE FROM GOING OUT THERE.
BUT AS SOON AS, AS SOON AS THE WEATHER STARTS TURNING WARM AND, AND GRASS THAT BE NEXT WEEK REALLY STARTS TO GROW, UH, IT CAN BE AN ISSUE IF PEOPLE NEED TO START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULE MOWING BACK INTO THEIR BUDGET OR BACK INTO THEIR SCHEDULE.
SO I, I ASKED THIS QUESTION BEFORE.
AND I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN TODAY.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PERSONNEL TO HANDLE THIS SITUATION? FOLLOW UP AND AGAIN, FOLLOW UP BECAUSE I KNOW THAT I'VE MADE COMPLAINTS ABOUT PEOPLE THAT NEVER GOT TAKEN CARE OF, AND I'M VERY UNHAPPY ABOUT THAT.
SO I CAN SYMPATHIZE WITH PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT THEY CALL AND GET NO RESPONSE OR LATE RESPONSE.
I I AM GOING TO LEAVE THAT QUESTION TO MR. MUNDO TO ANSWER.
WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT DURING BUDGET, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE OVER AND OVER AGAIN ON THE CODE, ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE.
THE GOOD DEED NEED HELP ON THE, ON THE FOOD INSPECTION SIDE.
NO, WE BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THAT.
BUT ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, WE COULD NEED HELP.
IN THIS SITUATION THOUGH, EVERY TIME WE'VE GOTTEN NO CALL, WE HAVE ADDRESSED IT.
WE HAVE GONE OUT AND VISITED AND FROM OUR RECORDS, THE ISSUE HAS BEEN CORRECTED, UH, ON THERE.
AND SO WE'VE GONE OUT FOR THE LAST THREE WEEKS TO VISIT THE SITE.
THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS ON THE SITE.
UM, AND NOT TO SAY THAT THERE WON'T BE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHEN WE'VE GONE OUT AND EVERY CALL THAT WE HAVE IN OUR RECORD WHEN WE'VE GONE OUT, THE HOMEOWNER HAS EVENTUALLY, UH, CORRECTED.
IT MAY HAVE TAKEN A COUPLE OF TIMES, A COUPLE OF VISITS, BUT THEY HAVE CORRECTED IT.
BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE ARE NO VIOLATIONS THAT WE SEE ON, ON THE PROPERTY.
I THINK, UH, I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY IMPROVE ON IS TO BE SURE THAT WHEN WE GET A, A COMPLAINT
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IS THAT, AND, AND HOPEFULLY WHEN WE GET A COMPLAINT, WE, WE ALSO GET CONTACT INFORMATION FROM THE PERSON THAT'S MAKING THE COMPLAINT AND THAT WE DO A GOOD JOB OF SAYING, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO THEM AND SAYING, OKAY, WE MADE CONTACT WITH THE RESIDENT, WE'VE INITIATED THE PROCESS AND THIS IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS.SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA SEE, YOU KNOW, WE GAVE 'EM A NOTIFICATION, TELL 'EM THAT THE VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, THE YARD HAS TO BE MOWED BY SEVEN DAYS AND THEN EXPLAIN THEM THE, EXPLAIN THE PROCESS.
SO AT LEAST THE PERSON THAT'S MAKING THE COMPLAINT KNOWS THAT, FIRST OF ALL IS THAT WE ARE RESPONDING.
AND THEY ALSO WERE EDUCATING THEM OF THIS IS WHAT THE PROCESS IS, IT TAKES TIME.
AND SO THAT, I THINK THEY CAN HELP ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUES.
BUT WHAT MR. LEGER BRINGS TO, TO THE TABLE ALSO IS, IS THAT, THAT, AGAIN, HIS NEIGHBORHOOD'S NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THAT HAS A PROBLEM WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS THIS PROBLEM.
AND, UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A PROBLEM THAT, THAT, THAT WE SHOULD TAKE UP, UH, YOU KNOW, IN WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, UH, TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WHAT WE HAVE, UH, AT OUR, OUR CAPABILITIES, IS THAT ALL THE CAPABILITIES WE HAVE OR IS THERE OTHER LEGAL ACTIONS WE CAN TAKE DEPENDING ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND STUFF.
BUT, UH, AND IS THERE A WAY TO TIE THIS BACK TO THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER VERSUS JUST THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS IS BECAUSE WE DO, WE DO GO BACK THE PROPERTY OWNER, SO THERE IS IN THE PROCESS THAT THEY GET, YOU KNOW, UH, IT'S, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU, FIRST YOU MAKE CONTACT TO, YOU PUT THE HANGER ON THE DOOR OR THE RESIDENCE MM-HMM
IF YOU DON'T SEE ANY ACTION, THEN IT'S, WHAT I HEARD WAS THEN YOU MAKE CONTACT TO THE OWN THE PROPERTY OWNER.
THE OWNER IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UH, HOWEVER, THROUGH, THROUGH THEIR CONTRACT, THROUGH THEIR LEASE AGREEMENT, THEY HAVE TURNED CERTAIN RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OVER TO THE TENANT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE STILL RESPONSIBLE.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU GO TO THE HOUSE BEFORE YOU GO TO THE OWNER? UH, I, I WOULD SAY MR. BULE, THAT'S ON A CASE, CASE BY CASE BASIS.
IN, IN, IN SITUATIONS WHERE WE HAVE A, UM, UH, AN INDIVIDUAL WHO'S WILLING TO WORK WITH US, WE MAY NEVER GET TO THE OWNER.
BUT IN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY DEF DEFINE WHAT YOU DON'T DO, WHAT YOU SAY, HOW, HOW, HOW, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GO TO THE OWNER? LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW THIS OWNER'S SAY THAT WE KNOW, ALLEGEDLY WE KNOW THAT THIS OWNER LIVES IN LAKE JACKSON.
HAVE THEY BEEN CONTACTED REGARDING THIS PROPERTY? YOU SAID A WHILE AGO, YOU SEVEN DAYS, YOU GO BACK.
WELL, HOW MANY DAYS, HOW MANY SEVEN DAYS DO YOU GO BEFORE YOU CONTACT THE OWNER? THAT'S ALL, THAT'S NOT A HARD QUESTION, I DON'T THINK.
NO, IT'S, IT IS NOT A HARD QUESTION.
I I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE AGAIN, IT IT, IT'S ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE CONTACT WITH LIEUTENANT.
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU MAKE CONTACT BEFORE YOU GO TO THE OWNER? UH, IN, IN MOST CASES, MR. BEE, WE DON'T END UP HAVING TO GO TO THE OWNER.
UH, WHEN WE DO, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY AFTER THE SECOND OR THIRD CONTACT.
MY, THIS IS MY OPINION IS, IS THAT AGAIN, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO SOME, UH, IS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNER SOONER IS MY RECOMMENDATION.
IS THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO KNOW IT'S BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER MAY LIVES ANYWHERE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
HE DOESN'T LIVE AT THAT HOUSE.
HE'S RENTING IT OUT IS, I THINK HE'S JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING, HE'S NOT GONNA GET THAT DOOR TAG, BUT HE'S GOING ALSO, HE SHOULD GETTING A, A COMMUNICATION SAYING, WE JUST PUT A DOOR TAG ON YOUR PROPERTY BECAUSE THE LAWN HAS NOT BEEN MOWED.
AND IN THAT DOOR TAG THAT THE RESIDENT IS BEING TOLD THEY HAVE SEVEN DAYS.
AND TO BRING, I THINK WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNER UPFRONT.
IT'S, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TREAT THE PROPERTY OWNER ANYMORE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WE NEED TO TREAT THE RENTER, IS MY OPINION.
AND THAT'S THE REASON I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE PERSONNEL.
'CAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE, YOU CANNOT DO THAT.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR ISSUE I WAS TRYING TO BRING UP.
'CAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO CHASE THESE INDIVIDUAL INSTANCES AS THEY HAPPEN, THEN YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RELYING ON TIME THAT, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEVEN DAYS YOU DO THIS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN DO BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU GOT PEOPLE TO DO WITH.
AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A POINT.
I WASN'T CRITICIZING THE DEPARTMENT OR ANYTHING.
I'M JUST MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED TO DO THE JOB.
SO HAVE YOU EVER THOUGHT ABOUT GOING TO THE OWNER FIRST? HE'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESIDENCE.
SEE, USUALLY NOT BECAUSE, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, EVER THOUGHT ABOUT DOING IT.
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WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL.WE'RE, WE'RE CRUCIFYING DAVID.
WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO MODESTO.
WELL, HE'S, HE'S ONE HE KNOWS HERE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I KNOW, BUT I'VE BEEN HERE LONGER THAN DAVID.
UM, NO, IT IS ALWAYS, I MEAN, THE PROCEDURE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND FOR EVERY CITY THAT I'VE EVER WORKED FOR, I HOPE FOR THREE, IS THAT YOU USUALLY TRY TO ADDRESS IT WITH THE PERSON LIVING ON THE PREMISE.
UH, IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT IN PRACTICE, I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, IF CITIES DO THAT ON THE FIRST CASE, THEY USUALLY TRY TO WORK WITH THE PERSON THAT'S LIVING AT THE RESIDENCE SO THAT IN THIS INSTANCE, THE RENTER, UM, GETTING THE OWNER INVOLVED IN, IN, IN THE BEGINNING COULD BE, YOU KNOW, HELPFUL.
I, I MEAN, I COULD SEE THE LOGIC IN THAT, UH, BUT IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT BEEN OUR PRACTICE.
SO, BUT AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO IS LIKE WE'RE SAYING IS, IS AT THE END OF THE DAY THE PROPERTY OWNER IS, HAS RESPONS HAS THE FINAL RESPONSIBILITY.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. BUHLE, NO, IT'S, IT'S NEVER BEEN A THOUGHT TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE OWNER OR TO INVOLVE THE OWNER FROM THE GET GO.
WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE AN A CODE ENFORCEMENT, UH, TRYING TO GET VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE FIRST VERSUS TRYING TO, TO, YOU KNOW, SEND VINNY OUT WITH THE LEAD PIPE.
I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO BE THAT CITY.
SO, UM, BUT IF, IF THE DIRECTION IS TO INVOLVE THE OWNER FROM THE GET GO, THE MOST, OBVIOUSLY WE'LL, WE WILL REVIEW OUR PROCESS AND, AND FIND OUT WHERE WE CAN MAKE CHANGES OR HOW TO MAKE CHANGES, UH, IN, IN REGARDS TO THAT.
IT'S, IT'S A WORTHY DISCUSSION TO LOOK AT BECAUSE I DO SEE THAT, UM, I MEAN, I AM, I WOULD PREDICT THAT THE TREND ON HOME OWNERSHIP IS GOING TO DECLINE.
UH, AND THAT 37% WILL BE 50 50 AT, YOU KNOW, 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
UM, AND SO THIS PROBLEM IS ONLY GOING TO GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY GONNA PROGRESS.
WELL, THE, AND THE, THE, THE THING, I GUESS WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD LANDLORDS OKAY.
AND WE HAVE SOME THAT ARE CHALLENGES, ALRIGHT? BUT FOR THE GOOD LANDLORDS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY, BUT THEY'RE GOOD LANDLORDS, THEY MAINTAIN A GOOD HOME AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF IS, I WOULD THINK THAT IF I'M A GOOD LANDLORD AND I LIVE IN DALLAS AND I HAVE SEVERAL HOMES IN LAKE JACKSON, IS THAT I WOULD WANT TO BE NOTIFIED IF MY RENTER IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF THE HOUSE PHYSICALLY, I MEAN, YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW, OR, OR JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF THE YARD AND STUFF.
AND SO THAT, I, I'M LOOKING AS A, BEING PROACTIVE AND BEING HELPING THOSE LANDLORDS AND, AND STUFF.
AND, AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EVERY, THE OTHER THINGS EARLIER TODAY IS THERE'S ALWAYS CONSEQUENCES ON WHAT WE GO AND IMPLEMENT.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE PUSHBACK FROM A LANDLORD TO A RENTER SAYING, OKAY, I GOT THIS LETTER, WHY AREN'T YOU TAKING CARE OF MY PROPERTY? BUT AGAIN, IT GETS US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE, AND THAT IS, IS THE PROPERTY NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED.
AND SO, UH, I MEAN THE LANDLORD, THE LANDLORDS CAN APPLY MORE PRESSURE REALLY THAN WE CAN QUICKER IF THEY'RE NOTIFIED.
BUT SO BACK TO MY QUESTION, IF THEY CARE, WHICH, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN ANSWERED IS, SO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS NO LESS THAN THREE, FOUR ACTUAL VIOLATIONS.
HAS THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY BEEN CONTACTED? WHEN YOU REFER TO VIOLATIONS, YOU'RE REFERRING TO CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IT SAYS NOTICE, UH, CODE NOTICE OF VIOLATION CODE, A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
UM, THERE'S A PD REGARDING ANIMALS.
UM, SO THERE'S ONE, UH, AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE PD VIOLATION NOTED.
SO I'M JUST ASKING ANYBODY, I DON'T KNOW, HAS THE OWNER BEEN CONTACTED OF THIS PROPERTY? THIS, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT.
DIDN'T A PATTERN I CAN'T SPEAK FOR, FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SO I, I THINK WHERE THE, WHERE THE PROCESS GOES IS THAT THEY GET NOTIFIED, UH, THAT THERE'S A VIOLATION OR THERE'S A POSSIBLE VIOLATION.
THEY GO OUT, THEY LOOK AT IT, SAY IT'S VIOLATION, THEY WRITE IT UP, THEY, THEY PUT A, PUT A TAG ON A DOOR, MOW YOUR YARD.
THEY MOW IT IN SEVEN DAYS, 10 DAYS OR WHATEVER.
A MONTH LATER, GRASS IS GROWN UP AGAIN.
THEY GET A CALL, THE GRASS HAS GROWN UP, GO OUT THERE, CODE ENFORCEMENT WRITES IT UP, PUTS ANOTHER TAG ON THE DOOR AND SAYS, GO AND FIX IT.
THEY GO AND FIX IT BECAUSE IT'S GETTING FIXED.
THE LANDLORD'S NOT BEING NOTIFIED, IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT GETTING NOTIFIED BECAUSE IT'S GETTING FIXED.
'CAUSE WE'RE DOING THE SOFT HAND TO THE, TO THE, TO THE RENTER.
BUT IT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE LANDLORD OR SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BY THE LANDLORD SHOULD BE NOTIFIED.
THE BURDEN SHOULD NOT BE BORNE BY THE PROPERTY OWNER LIVING THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY NEXT DOOR.
SO, SO WHAT I'M GETTING, MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO SOMETHING THAT ONCE WE NOTIFY THE TENANT, WE CAN ALSO SEND A LETTER MAYBE TO THE OWNER ALSO AND, UH, LET THEM BE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM.
WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT,
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DAVID? THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING.THE, THE DISCUSSION OF BEING MR. BAKER, UM, THAT'S, UH, DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT TO IMPLEMENT INTO OUR PROCESS WOULD BE A, AN INITIAL, UH, GENERALIZED LETTER THAT, THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YES, YES, LETTER CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS, HAS TAKEN ACTION ON YOUR PROPERTY.
HERE'S, HERE'S WHAT THAT ACTION IS.
AND THEN FROM THAT POINT, THE OWNER COULD HOPEFULLY TAKE OVER WITH COMMUNICATIONS ON, ON, UH, HAVING THAT, THAT TENANT.
AND IN SUCH CASES WHERE THERE IS NO TENANT, WE'RE DEALING DIRECTLY WITH THE OWNER.
OBVIOUSLY THAT STEP'S TAKEN OUT 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE OWNER.
BUT, UM, THIS IS AN ONGOING, UM, CODE ENFORCEMENT IS AN ONGOING ISSUE AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH NEIGHBORHOOD YOU'RE IN, UH, THE, THE SIZE OF THE HOUSES OR HOW NICE THE CARS ARE.
UH, THIS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, THAT WE TACKLE FROM ONE SIDE OF THE CITY TO THE OTHER.
COULD, COULD WE HAVE AN ACTION BACK TO YOU, MODESTO, TO WORK WITH YOUR STAFF AND COME BACK AND, AND DISCUSS THIS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OF WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO BE ABLE TO GET THE YEAH, THE PROPERTY OWNER ENGAGED, INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS SOONER? WHAT DOES THAT INVOLVE? IS IT INVOLVE A, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WORK OR IS IT, YOU KNOW, HITTING A BUTTON THAT SENDS OUT A FORM LETTER? WELL, OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM CAREFULLY WORDED FOR OUR COMPUTER SYSTEM, I DON'T BELIEVE IS, IS TAILORED TO, TO JUST EASILY HITTING A BUTTON AND SENDING OUT A, A FORM LETTER.
BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON.
CAN WE GET NO, MAYBE GET WHAT, UH, COUNSEL HERE AND A GENERALIZED LETTER THAT YOU CAN SEND OUT THAT WE WON'T CLOSE.
YEAH, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE GENERALIZED BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE THEIR SPECIFIC CODE VIOLATIONS, RIGHT? NO, IT'S, IT, YEAH, IT CAN BE.
THEY OWN THIS PROPERTY, HERE'S THE PROBLEM, AND THEY PLUG THAT IN.
SO GENERALIZED THIS FOR PROPERTY THREE 14 PETIA, CAN WE CONTACT THIS PROPERTY OWNER AND TELL THEM WHERE, I MEAN, HE'S ASKING FOR HELP WITH THREE 14 PETIA CAN, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO FOR THREE 14 PETIA? CAN WE CONTACT THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY? YEAH, WE CAN CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SAYING THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ISSUES OVER THE LAST YEAR, HERE'S WHAT THEY ARE.
UM, WE NEED HELP ON ADDRESSING THESE AND WE DON'T OCCUR, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE.
UH, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO, FOR THEM TO MONITOR, TO PREVENT ANY FUTURE CODE VIOLATIONS THEY MAY GET TIRED OF HEARING FROM US AND VET THEIR RENTERS MAYBE A LITTLE BETTER, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT, LET LET THEM KNOW THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THE SITUATION.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM ABOUT LANDOWNER.
WE'LL COME BACK TO THE PROCESS ON THAT.
UH, SEE HOW WE CAN, UH, QUICKLY ENGAGE THE OWNER.
IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ON THE FIRST OFFENSE OF A COMPLAINT, BUT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE RIGHT.
HOW QUICKLY THE SECOND ONE HAPPENS.
AND THE ONLY, THE ONLY CHALLENGE I HAVE, THE ONLY REASON I'M GONNA CHALLENGE THAT OR QUESTION THAT IS THAT THEN IT REQUIRES YOU TO, TO TRACK SOMETHING ELSE.
AND THAT IS HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED TO THIS PERSON? SO IF YOU INITIATE IT FIRST TIME, FIRST TIME, FIRST TIME, IT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM, THEY'RE, YOU'RE ALREADY SENDING THE FORM LETTER ALREADY.
YOU PUT THE TAG ON THERE AND YOU SEND IT TO 'EM.
AND THAT WAY YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRACK WELL HOW MANY TIMES WE'VE GONE BACK TO THIS HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST YEAR TYPE STUFF.
SO AGAIN, TALK ABOUT IT AND COME BACK TO US AND AGAIN, DON'T MAKE A COMPLICATED PROCESS.
MAKE IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.
BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS WE NEED TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNER EARLY.
WE'VE BEEN ADDRESSING IT JUST WITH THE RENTER AND NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS THE CASE, BUT THE OWNER COULD CLAIM I NEVER KNEW.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, THERE CAN BE A WHOLE LOT, LIKE DAVID TALKED ABOUT.
THERE CAN BE A WHOLE LOT OF REASONS WHY THAT YARD IS INVOLVED.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE RENTER MAY BE HAVING, IT MAY NOT BE THIS ONE, BUT IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE.
THE HAVING, YOU KNOW, CHALLENGES AND, AND SO YOU I LIVED THAT 20 YEARS AGO.
IT USED TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO USED TO YEAH, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET HIM BACK AT WORK.
I'LL GET WITH MY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, WITH MY DIRECTOR AND WITH MR. MUNDO OR MR. UM, R AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE TYPES OF, OF, UH, VIOLATIONS, WHICH WOULD WARRANT CONTACTING THE OWNER BECAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT VIOLATIONS OUT THERE AND THE TYPES THAT WOULD, WOULD WARRANT CONTACTING THE OWNER.
WE'LL COME BACK WITH A PROCESS.
BUT WHEN CAN WE CONTACT THIS PROPERTY OWNER REGARDING WE CAN, WE'LL REACH OUT TOMORROW.
YEAH, WE CAN SEND A LETTER TOMORROW.
ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, ONE MORE THING.
IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT, LIKE EVEN ON HIS GARAGE, THERE'S A TREE ABOUT THIS BIG AROUND AND IT'S ON TOP OF THE GARAGE.
IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE THE HURRICANE.
I MEAN, IS THAT PART, CAN Y'ALL GET HIM TO CUT THAT OFF THE GARAGE? GARAGE FOR IT FALLS ON, HE MIGHT BE WAITING ON INSURANCE.
I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, IS IT LEANING ON HIS, THE RENTAL PROPERTY? IT'S ON TOP OF HIS GARAGE.
YEAH, IT'S, YOU CAN SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
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IT'S, I THINK THE ONLY THING IS, IS IF IT STARTS TO CREATING A DANGEROUS STRUCTURE ISSUES WHEN WE WOULD GET INVOLVED WITH IT.SO, BUT DON'T, IF EVERYTHING WAS NICE, Y'ALL WOULDN'T SEE ME HERE.
AND I'VE ASKED MY OTHER, MY NEIGHBORS CALL THE CITY HERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HERE AIN'T CALLING THE CITY.
AND I APPRECIATE Y'ALL APOLOGIZE I UP HERE.
[3. Discuss whether to enact an ordinance to prohibit public consumption of alcohol, public carrying open containers of alcohol, and public urination/defecation. – Sherri Russell]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, ITEM THREE.DISCUSS WHETHER TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT, UH, PUBLIC CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL, UH, PUBLIC, UH, CARRYING OPEN CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOL AND PUBLIC URINATION AND DEFECATION.
AND I WISH I WOULD NEVER HAVE TO SAY THOSE WORDS IN CITY COUNCIL, BUT I JUST HAD TO SAY 'EM.
THAT'S ALREADY AGAINST, SO WE'VE GOT SHERRY'S NAME BESIDE THIS.
UH, I'M THE ONE THAT, UH, I ACTUALLY SAID WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING ISSUES, UH, IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
AND IT'S, UH, AND IT'S PARTIALLY, WE BECOME AWARE OF IT BECAUSE THE, UH, EXTRA EFFORTS WE'RE PUTTING INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO, UH, DO OUR BEST TO CONTINUE TO KEEP DOWNTOWN AREAS SAFE, UH, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT GO DOWNTOWN.
UH, SO, UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE, I DID NOT KNOW, AND I'VE, THIS IS ALWAYS, YOU'RE ALWAYS LEARNING SOMETHING SITTING UP HERE.
AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT PUBLIC URINATION IS A GIVEN.
YOU CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND JUST PUBLICLY URINATE.
BUT SHERRY TELLS US IS NOT UNTIL YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE, THIS IS AMERICA.
WHAT ABOUT THE OPEN CONTAINER? ISN'T THAT, ISN'T THAT STATE? YOU CAN'T TAKE OPEN CONTAINER? NO.
WHAT THE STATE DOES IS ALLOW US TO PROHIBIT OPEN CONTAINER IN A SPECIFIC AREA OF THE TOWN.
RIGHT? BUT YOU CAN'T, BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE IT FROM ONE BUSINESS AND GO AND GET IN YOUR TRUCK AND TAKE IT WITH YOU TYPE OF STUFF.
WELL, YOU CAN'T GET IN YOUR TRUCK AND TAKE IT WITH YOU NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TABC DOESN'T WANT THE ALCOHOL LEAVING THE PREMISES.
BUT THE, WHAT THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CODE ALLOWS US TO DO IS TO PREVENT IT IN THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, WHICH IS OUR DOWNTOWN AREA.
NOW IF YOU GO INTO A RESTAURANT AND YOU BUY BOTTLE OF WINE AND, UH, YOU DON'T FINISH IT, YOU CAN CORK IT AND YOU CAN TAKE IT HOME.
WE READ EL TORO AND MY LADY FRIEND WASN'T FINISHING.
CAN'T YOU PUT A CAP ON IT? THEY WOULDN'T LET HER DO IT.
BUT, BUT I THOUGHT THE STATE LAW HAS CHANGED BY DRINKING IT IN THE KITCHEN.
BUT ANYWAY, YOU, YOU TAKE THAT OUTSIDE, YOU, YOU CAN CORK IT AND UH, TAKE IT HOME.
IF YOU BOUGHT IT, YOU CAN CORK IT AND TAKE IT HOME.
THE IDEA, THE DEAL IS, IS THAT IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW.
SO ON THIS, I KNOW ONE OF THE CITIZENS, MR. WALLS, ONE OF HIS QUESTIONS ON THIS WAS THAT HE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO ASK AND BUT IS A VALID QUESTION.
AND I SEE HERE WHERE IT SAYS SPECIAL EVENTS CAN HAVE RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS, WHICH IS LIKE IF YOU RENT MCLEAN AND YOU'RE SERVING ALCOHOL, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICER, CORRECT? RIGHT? MM-HMM
HOW, WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE THE CONCERT ON THE PARKS OR, UM, ANY DOWNTOWN EVENTS THAT WE HAVE? FARMER'S MARKET.
YEAH, FARMER'S MARKET WAS THE ONLY ONE.
SO CURRENTLY YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, AT THE CONCERTS IN THE PARK, YOU CAN DRINK ON THE PLAZA.
SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS? HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT THAT? WELL, THAT'S, UM, PART THAT'S DEFINED NOT PART OF THE, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
UH, ACTUALLY, UM, WE HAVE TO MAP THE CENTRAL BUS BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I WOULD MAP ERIC, I WOULD BRING BACK AREA J MAPPED AND IT WOULDN'T, OUR LITTLE, THIS LITTLE AREA WOULDN'T BE PART OF IT.
UM, BUT THE, UH, THE SPECIAL EVENTS, WE HAD ONE ONCE WHERE THEY WERE HAVING ALCOHOL AND THEY HAD A WHOLE LOT OF, AND YOU ASKED THEM TO PUT IN A WHOLE LOT OF RESTRICTIONS AND THEY, AND THEY DID, RIGHT? LIKE THEY LIMITED THEY TICKETS.
YOU GET TWO TICKETS, SO YOU GET TWO DRINKS AND ALL OF THAT.
THE FIELD STATION, THEY WOULD USED TO DO, THEY USED TO USE THEIR, THEY USED TO DO AN ANNUAL CRAB, FISH, CRAB BULL OR WHATEVER TYPE STUFF, AND THEY WOULD SELL TICKETS.
AND SO IT WAS, IT WAS THE TICKETS WAS THE ONLY WAY.
AND THAT, AND THEY USED THAT TO LIMIT THE CONSUMPTION ALSO.
AND SO IT WAS, UH, YEAH, YOU HAD SO MANY TICKETS FOR TO, TO FOR BEER AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? I MEAN, YEAH.
I REMEMBER Y'ALL WERE LIKE, WE WANT THIS AND THIS, AND I THINK THEY ALREADY HAD IT ALL SET UP.
'CAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, LIKE A BARRIER AT WRISTBAND AND EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE AREA WHERE EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO BE AND SOME SORT OF SECURITY SO THAT THE KIDS AREN'T DRINKING AND THE YEAH.
THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF BEVERAGES PEOPLE CAN HAVE THINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU CAN PUT THOSE RESTRICTIONS IN SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS.
SO RIGHT NOW THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS CITYWIDE.
NO, THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS.
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UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE, YOU KNOW, YOUR BEER AND DRINK IT, MCLEAN PARK, UM MM-HMMUH, SO, SO I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THE DISCUSSION IS SPECIFICALLY TO, YOU KNOW, THE DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, AREA HERE OF HAVING OPEN CONTAINER, RIGHT? I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'VE BECOME MORE LIVELY DOWNTOWN, WE'VE HAD MORE PROBLEMS. AND, UM, JUST TRYING TO HELP STOP SOME OF 'EM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE, THE, THERE ARE, UM, WALKING TO THE CAR WITH THE OPEN CONTAINER, STOP 'EM BEFORE THEY GET IN THE CAR AND, UM, MAKE 'EM, POUR IT OUT.
THE THING IS, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS UH, WE DON'T WANT THE PERFECT, GO AHEAD.
SAY THE BEHAVIOR THAT WE, WE DON'T, THAT WE WANT TO CORRECT.
IS THE BEHAVIOR OF LEAVING AN ESTABLISHMENT WITH A DRINK IN YOUR HAND AND GETTING IN YOUR CAR AND DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND WHATEVER IS BECAUSE PERSONALLY IT'S UNSAFE AND STATE LAW DOESN'T ALREADY COVER THAT.
IT'S ONCE YOU GET, YEAH, YOU CAN'T DRINK DRIVE.
ONCE YOU GET IN THE VEHICLE, YOU CAN'T DRINK AND DRIVE.
IT CAN'T JUST STOPS IT BEFORE THE DRIVING STARTS INTO THE CAR STARTS.
ALSO, IT'LL HELP WITH THE LITTER PROBLEM.
PEOPLE FINISHING THEIR BEER IN THE PARKING LOT AND TOSSING IT ON THE GROUND.
UM, SO WHAT DIFFERENT IS THIS THAN WE HAVE CONCERTS ON THE PLAZA THAT YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE COME THERE AND THEY SIT THERE AND THEY HAVE, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT.
AND THAT IS, IT'S ON THE PLAZA'S, NOT IN THE, IT'S NOT IN THE, THE DISTRICT, BUT THEN THEY STILL HAVE TO WALK BACK TO THEIR CAR AND THEY HAVE THEIR LITTLE THINGS AND STUFF GOING BY.
YEAH, YOU'RE SAYING? SO I MEAN, I MEAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER IN THEIR CAR.
SO JUST AS SOON AS THEY SIT, SIT DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SEE THE, SEE IT THROUGH BECAUSE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME OF OUR RESTAURANTS THAT LEASE CITY PROPERTY, RIGHT? AND THEY HAVE THEIR LITTLE PATIOS AND STUFF OUT THERE.
UM, I MEAN THAT'S DOWNTOWN RIGHT? RIGHT.
BUT THAT BE WITH THE MAP, THAT'S A DESIGNATED AREA MAP.
BUT WITH THE MAP, I WOULD, WOULD START IN THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, OR IN THE PARKING SPACES WHEN WE MAP IT.
NO, I WOULD, I WOULD PUT THE SIDEWALK CAFES AS AN EXCEPTION, BUT THEY, THEY ARE, WE ALREADY TOLD THEM, YOU CAN'T LEAVE, THEY CAN'T LEAVE THIS AREA.
AND THE BUSINESS OWNER, THE BUSINESS OWNER, I MEAN, THE WORST HOUSE USED TO HAVE SIGNS.
I DUNNO IF THEY DO THEY, BUT THEY HAVE SIGNS THAT SAYS, UH, YOU CANNOT LEAVE THE PREMISES WITH A, WITH A DRINK.
AND BECAUSE THEY CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE.
AND SO, YEAH, ON THEIR SIDE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT IT HAPPENING BECAUSE THEY CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE.
ON OUR SIDE, WE DON'T WANT IT HAPPENING.
'CAUSE WE DON'T WANT 'EM TO GET EITHER TO LITTER OR TO DRUNK AND DRIVE DRUNK.
DRUNK AND DRIVE OR GET IN A PARKING LOT AND HAVE A FIGHT 'CAUSE THEY'RE DRUNK AND THEY GOT A BEER BOTTLE IN THEIR HAND.
SO, UH, THERE'S ALSO BEHAVIORS OF PEOPLE GOING IN, IN WHATEVER YOU WANNA SAY.
I MEAN, THEY'LL GO OUT THERE AND, UH, THEY'RE GONNA MEET, AND I'VE SEEN IT IS THEY'LL SIT OUT IN THEIR TRUCK, THEY'LL DRINK A SIX PACK OUT IN THE TRUCK IN THE PARKING LOT BEFORE THEY GO IN THE WORST HOUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DRINK THE EXPENSIVE, WORST HOUSE BEER.
BUT THEY WANNA GO VISIT THEIR FRIENDS AND THEY WANNA HAVE A BUZZ.
AND SO THEY DRINK IN THE PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW.
SO, UH, IT'S JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS BEHAVIORS AND THAT, UH, ARE NOT CONDUCIVE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S CONDUCIVE OF WHAT WE SPENT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR, UH, DOWNTOWN AREA TO, FOR DOWNTOWN TO LOOK LIKE.
CURIOUS CHIEF, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTARY ON THE, ON THIS PARTICULAR, I KNOW YOUR, YOUR OFFICERS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWNTOWN LATELY YES.
AND HAVE OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, ESPECIALLY, IT'S JUST, IT'S BUSIER DOWN THERE NOW.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT THE MAYOR SEES AND WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THIS IS TO ADDRESS THE POOR BEHAVIOR OF A SMALL GROUP.
UM, BUT YOU SEE IT HAPPENS FREQUENT ENOUGH, AND WE'RE HEARING TALKING BECAUSE OF THE COMPLAINTS OF EVERYONE ELSE THAT LIVES IN THERE.
UH, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO LIMIT THE LITTERING, UH, THE URINATING IN PUBLIC.
I'VE, I'VE PASSED ON INFORMATION.
YOU SEE HOW FREQUENT THAT HAPPENS.
EVEN JUST SINCE WE STARTED THIS EXTRA PATROL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
UH, HAVE YOU PICKED ANY UP ON THE CAMERAS? HAVE YOU, ABOUT THE URINATE? HAVE YOU PICKED ANYTHING UP THERE? OH, WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK TO REVIEW IT AFTER THE FACT.
WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL WITH THE OFFICERS THAT ARE PATROLLING THE AREA TO, TO FIND THE ISSUE.
AND, AND ACT ON IT IMMEDIATELY.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UH,
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ANYBODY ELSE OR ANY OF US BROUGHT IT UP, IT'S, WE HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES IN THAT AREA THAT ARE SAYING WE NEED HELP BECAUSE THERE'S A PROBLEM.YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RECOGNIZED THAT, UH, EARLY ON AS WELL, UH, BECAUSE OF CALL VOLUME AND JUST ISSUES OF FIGHTS, UH, ESPECIALLY AT CLOSING TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, IT SOMEWHAT COMES WITH THAT TERRITORY, UH, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T INSIST AND TRY AND, UH, PUSH PEOPLE TOWARDS BETTER BEHAVIOR AND BETTER MANAGEMENT.
UH, THAT'S WHY I TRY TO WORK WITH TABC ON, ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES AS WELL, BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ENACTING WOULD INCLUDE, UH, A VIOLATION OF SOME CITY ORDINANCE.
BUT A LOT OF IT ALREADY IS, SUCH AS LEAVING THE ESTABLISHMENT WITH AN OPEN CONTAINER IN VIOLATION OF THEIR, THEIR, UH, TABC LICENSE TO AN ON-PREMISE LICENSE.
AND THAT, IF WE VIOLATE THAT, OF COURSE TBC HAS TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY HAVE TO GET CERTAIN COMPLAINTS AND WE TRY TO FEED THAT TO THEM.
SO WE DO KNOW NOTIFY TABC WHEN WE HAVE THOSE PROBLEMS. YES.
AND, AND THE OWNER IS VERY IMPORTANT AS WELL.
'CAUSE UH, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, UH, ALWAYS WORK WITH TABC RULES.
AND, AND THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THERE WAS A LOT OF ACTIVITY WITH TABC IN THE AREA, AND THEY WOULD DO THESE THINGS.
SELVES WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY IN AN EDUCATION PROCESS OF, OF, UH, LETTING OUR OFFICERS KNOW WHAT ARE THE VIOLATIONS, WHAT ARE THE THINGS ON THE TABC ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE THAT THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT, UH, SUCH AS WE SEE THESE THINGS, BUT WE HADN'T ALWAYS BEEN REPORTING IT TO THE, UH, PERSON WHO HOLDS THE LICENSE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT.
NOW WE KNOW THAT'S A NECESSARY POINT.
CAN THE BARTENDER STILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR SELLING TO DRUNK PER TC? YES.
UH, AND WE HAVE INTOXICATED, I'VE PERSONALLY TAKEN PEOPLE INTO, UH, INTO CUSTODY FOR SELLING TO UNDERAGE.
YOU'RE SELLING TO INTOXICATED PEOPLE, BUT I WAS WORKING WITH THE TABC TASK FORCE WHEN WE DID IT.
UH, YOUR ROUTINE PATROL OFFICER THAT HAS ALL THOSE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES, UM, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE'RE DOING THESE EXTRA PROJECTS, UH, ISN'T GOING TO BE THERE TO SEE AND WITNESS THOSE OFFENSES FIRSTHAND.
AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO INVESTIGATE THOSE THINGS AFTER THE FACT.
AND, AND THE, THE OTHER THING IS, AND AGAIN, THE REASON WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THE CHIEF WITH SOME OF THESE, UH, SOME OF THESE, UH, ARRESTS OR SOME THESE ISSUES WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS THAT HE'S, HE'S REQUESTING, I THINK IS CORRECT, IS THAT HE NEEDS SOME CLARIFICATION ON THROUGH ORDINANCES SO THAT IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR WHEN THEY DO ARREST, IT'S VERY CLEAR ON WHAT THEY CAN ARREST AND WHAT THEY CAN ARREST ON SO THAT WE DON'T WASTE OFFICER'S TIME OR ANYBODY ELSE'S TIME.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS TO COURT OR WHATEVER THAT IT, IT, IT'S THROWN OUT BECAUSE OF SOMETHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, HAVING A, A CLEARER ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES, I THINK CHIEF IS SAYING HE NEEDS TO, TO HELP HIM WITH THIS.
UM, UNDERSTAND, AND AGAIN, I'M THE REASON WHY THIS IS BIG, THIS IS A BIG ISSUE FOR ME AND, AND I THINK IT IS FOR YOU GUYS TOO, IS THAT, UH, IT'S BEEN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, UH, FRIDAY MORNING, I DROVE THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND, UH, IN FRONT OF CHAMPAGNE'S IN THE PARKING LOT IN PARKING CENTER RIGHT BESIDE PARKING SPACE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS BUSINESS WAS, AND I, I CAN SHARE THE PICTURE, BUT THERE WAS A PILE OF GAUZE WHITE CLOTH OR WHATEVER THAT WAS COVERED IN BLOOD SITTING IN THE PARKING STORE.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT? WELL, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO OTHER BUSINESSES AND STUFF SAID THERE WAS, THERE WERE SOME FIGHTS THAT NIGHT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS THAT, UH, ONE BUSINESS THAT HAS REALLY REACHED OUT TO A LOT IS A BUSINESS THAT, THAT PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT BRINGING INTO LAKE JACKSON.
AND THAT IS THE, THE, UH, TATTOO BUSINESS.
THEY HAVE BEEN THE BEST PARTNERS IN HELPING US ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES DOWNTOWN.
THEY'VE MADE PHONE CALLS AND, UH, THEY'VE SENT EMAILS AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'VE ASKED US TO HELP 'EM OUT BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE SEEING WHAT THEY'RE SEEING.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THIS WE'RE COMING UP IS, IS TRYING TO GIVE, UH, THE PD, UH, SOME TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND CHANGE SOME BEHAVIORS DOWNTOWN.
SO, UH, SHERRY, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT? HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? YOU WANT TO, UH, DO SOME RESEARCH AND BRING US A DRAFT OF STUFF? OR YOU NEED MORE D I'LL, I'LL, I'LL BRING YOU A DRAFT.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, YOU NEED MORE DIRECTION FROM US ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
THERE'S NOT A LOT OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE STATE IS REALLY STRICT IN WHAT WE CAN PUT IN THE ORDINANCE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CONTROLLED
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PARTIES LIKE THE CRAB OIL.SO I'LL JUST, I'LL BRING YOU BACK AN INITIAL DRAFT BEFORE FIRST READING AND SEE HOW Y'ALL LIKE IT.
AND, AND ALSO WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL OF IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF IN THE ORDINANCE WE PUT IN, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTIONS IS THAT THE EXCEPTIONS CAN BE APPLIED FAIRLY ACROSS MM-HMM
AND, AND THE DEAL IS, IS LIKE IF YOU, YOU SAY THAT IT'S, IT'S ALLOWED IN DEFINED AREAS OR WHATEVER IS THAT EVERYBODY HAS A FAIR CHANCE OF, OF ASKING FOR THEIR AREA TO BE DEFINED.
YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, AN EVENT DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS LIKE THEY'VE HAD IN THE PAST, WHAT'S THE PRO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF EXCEPTIONS DOES THE ORDINANCE ALLOW FOR THEM TO DO THAT TYPE STUFF? SO SHERRY, ON THE OPEN CONTAINER, UH, FOR DOWNTOWN, IS THAT A SEPARATE ORDINANCE FROM THE MAYOR'S, UH, ORDINANCE FOR PUBLIC URINATION CITYWIDE? YES.
IT'S TWO SEPARATE BUT RELATED ORDINANCES.
BUT ANYWAY, ROSOVSKY ACT ROSOVSKY, I CAN JUST BRING THAT OUT BACK AS FIRST.
DO YOUR RESEARCH AND BRING US BACK SOME EXAMPLES AND, AND A DRAFT AND STUFF SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND HASH THROUGH IT AND, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA SAY I LEARNED, I THOUGHT PING IN PUBLIC WAS ALREADY, I'VE BEEN TELLING MY BOYS YOU CAN'T PEE IN PUBLIC ALREADY.
I THOUGHT THE TEST WAS ALREADY ILLEGAL.
I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT, THAT IT IS NOT, THAT IT'S REALLY RELATED TO, UH, EXPOSURE AND PUBLIC AND DECENCY.
I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU, IT'S PROBABLY EMBARRASSING FOR AN OFFICER TO BE ASKED BY A JUDGE IS, WHAT DID YOU SEE? WHAT DID YOU SEE? OH, I DID THAT AS A PROSECUTOR AND, AND THE POLICE HAD NO PROBLEM WITH IMITATING.
THEY DON'T TEND TO BE THAT SHY AS, I HOPE MY BOYS AREN'T WATCHING THIS MEETING.
WELL, JERRY, CAN WE HAVE SOMETHING AT THE NEXT MEETING? MM-HMM
DO Y'ALL WANT THE URINATION JUST ON FIRST READING? 'CAUSE THAT'S SEPARATE COMPLETELY.
YEAH, JUST PICK ONE AND BRING IT TO US.
OH, YOU SAID DO IT ON FIRST READING? YEAH, JUST THE URINATION.
THAT'S BASICALLY THAT ORDINANCE.
EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? YES SIR, I DO.
[4. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2294, amending Ch. 14 Buildings and Chapter 86 Streets, Sidewalks, and Other Public Places to remove redundant fees. – Sherri Russell]
OKAY.UH, NUMBER FOUR IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 4 AMENDING CHAPTER 14, BUILDING BUILDINGS AND, UH, CHAPTER 86 STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES TO REMOVE, UH, REDUNDANT FEES.
GO AHEAD AND READ THE ORDINANCE AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, MANY CHAPTER 14 BUILDINGS IN CHAPTER 86 STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES TO REMOVE REDUNDANT FEES AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE.
SO, AGAIN, REMIND US ON WHY DO WE, THIS IS A REMOVING, UH, BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR ALL DRIVEWAY APPROACHES.
IF THE PERMIT IS FOR A DRIVEWAY APPROACHES ONLY, THE FEE FOR SUCH PERMIT SHALL BE $20.
IT'S REMOVING THAT LANGUAGE BECAUSE THAT IT'S OUR, IS NOW IN A FEE.
BOTH OF THOSE FEES ARE, ARE IN, Y'ALL PASS THE RESOLUTION, ADOPTING FEES, THOSE ARE IN OKAY.
AND SO, AND THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO.
SO ANYTIME WE ADOPT THE FEE ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE AND REMEMBER THAT IT'S THERE.
ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.
UH, MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SONYA AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THIS IS, UH, OKAY, FIRST READING AND YOU BRING BACK FOR SECOND READING.
[5. Discuss and consider future bond projects for the May 2025 General Election. – Modesto Mundo]
UH, ITEM FIVE IS DISCUSSING CONSIDER FUTURE BOND PROJECTS FOR MAY, 2025, GENERAL ELECTION.WELL, WE WENT, UM, THE LAST TIME WE MET WITH COUNSEL AT THE WORKSHOP, UH, WE GOT YOUR FEEDBACK.
WE HAD LOOKED AT, UH, SEVERAL OPTIONS.
IT SEEMED LIKE COUNCIL WAS, UM, OR HAD ASKED STAFF TO LOOK AT TWO OPTIONS, UH, THAT WERE 1 MILLION, UH, PIECE IF WE WOULD SHAVE OFF.
UM, WHEN WE HAD THE DISCUSSION, EVERYTHING WE WERE SHOWING WAS, UM, 20 MILLION, AND WE LOOKED AT, UH, WHAT WOULD IT SAVE TO GO TO 19.
WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU IS TWO OPTIONS OF 17 AND 18.
THAT TAKES OUT THE 2.4 THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
SO IN REALITY, THIS IS WHAT, UM, IF COUNCIL CHOSE ONE OF THESE OPTIONS, THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT WE WOULD BRING BACK TO
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THE VOTERS.OPTION ONE IS A 17 MILLION ISSUE.
IT WOULD BE 8 MILLION FOR THOROUGH THOROUGHFARE PANEL REPLACEMENTS, 3 MILLION FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, AND 6 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, UH, FACILITIES.
OPTION TWO IS ADDING A MILLION FOR DRAINAGE.
UH, THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO IS JUST, UM, UM, JUST ADDITIONAL 1 MILLION, UM, ON THERE, ON, ON FOR, FOR DRAINAGE.
SO WHAT WAS THE COST OF THE, UH, COOLING SYSTEM FOR THE PD THAT WE HAD? WE DO NOT HAVE A, A ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE PUT A PLUG OF $1 MILLION.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT, UH, LESS.
UM, AND SO, UH, WE WILL GO TO A, A SLIDE.
WHAT WE REALLY HAVE DONE IS IF IT COMES AT LAST, WE'RE ASKING THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS BE PUT TOWARDS A GRANT MATCH FOR A FEW FOR CHANGING OUT THE GENERATORS, UH, ON THERE.
IF IT DOES COME IN UNLESS, SO WE'VE, WE'VE DONE A PLUG, UH, WE'RE STILL TRYING TO GET A COST.
UM, THEY'VE COME OUT AND LOOKED AT IT, UH, THE FACILITY, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOT THOSE NUMBERS YET.
BUT THAT MILLION DOLLARS IS IN THE 6 MILLION.
AND SO WE'LL, UM, UM, WE'LL GO TO A QUICK PRESENTATION.
WE WILL SHOW YOU, UH, UH, THE NUMBERS.
UM, SOME OF THE NUMBERS ARE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, STILL ROUGH, UH, NUMBERS.
AND IT'S GONNA BE TRYING TO, ON THE FAC, ESPECIALLY ON THE FACILITY SIDE OF JUST TRYING TO DO AS MANY REPAIRS AS WE CAN ON THE LIST, UM, IN THAT REGARD AND WHATEVER WE CAN, WE'LL TRY TO FOCUS LIKE WE HAVE ON THE CIP, THE, THE ANNUAL CIP UH, STREETS.
UH, THE BIG ONE THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS REMOVING, UH, REPAIR ON THAT WAY FROM PLUM TO 2004.
SO YOU CAN, UH, I'M SORRY, THIS WAY.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE ORIGINAL AMOUNT.
UM, ANA, CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE BEFORE IT WAS 810,000, THE ESTIMATE, UH, NOW, SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT OVER 8 MILLION TOTAL.
UH, IF YOU REMOVE FROM PLUM TO 2004, IT DROPS TO FIVE 30.
THAT TAKES THAT TOTAL AMOUNT OF 7.8, UH, FROM, YOU KNOW, 8.1 TO 7.8.
WE'VE STILL HELD STRONG AT 8 MILLION ON THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, SO WE WOULD JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A WIGGLE ROOM TO DO OTHER REPAIRS AND OTHER AREAS.
YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD MONEY LEFT OVER, WE COULD MOVE INTO RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL STREETS, UH, ON THERE.
BUT, UM, THAT, UH, ITEM NINE COMES DOWN.
BUT OUR OVERALL RECOMMENDATION OF 8 MILLION WOULD STILL BE THE SAME.
ARE YOU SAYING FROM LAKE ROAD THIS WAY TO 2004? SO, UH, SO ON THIS WAY, THE ONLY, THE REPAIRS RIGHT NOW WOULD BE PROGRAMMED FOR ON THIS WAY FROM LAKE ROAD TO PLUM, WHICH ANYTHING FROM PLUM TO 2004 WOULD NOT BE, UH, WE WOULD NOT USE THE FUNDS FOR THE ONLY, ONLY ONLY STREET THAT GOES FROM LAKE ROAD TO 2004 IS THIS WAY.
PLUMS IS IN THAT RESIDENTIAL FRONT ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WE FROM PLUMBING INTERSECTION TO 2004.
WE WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING FROM THE PLUM INTERSECTION TO 2004.
WELL, ONLY FROM PLUM TO LAKE ROAD.
AND THAT SAVES YOU 300,000 PLUM.
PLUM COMES OFF OF LAKE ROAD AND THE RESIDENTIAL IT WINDS AND ALL OF THAT THIS WAY FROM LAKE ROAD GOES BEHIND MY HOUSE TO 2004.
BUT PLUM COMES OUT, PLUM COMES OUT ONTO THIS WAY ALSO.
THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES IN, THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES ON PLUM TO PLUM, YES.
AND THEN THERE'S ONE OFF OF, WE'RE GONNA THROW A MAP UP.
LET'S THROW A MAP UP RIGHT THERE WHERE THOSE POLICE OFFICERS RUN THE RADAR RIGHT THERE.
NO, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR, YOU HAVE YOUR DRAWING ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
PLUM DOESN'T COME TO THIS WAY.
OH, WELL I USED TO RUN IT DOES MANGO.
MANGO, PAPA
IS THAT IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA? ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE? YEAH, THAT'S LAKE ROAD.
SO WHERE WE WOULD STOP IS REALLY AT THAT ELBOW REMOVING THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE OF THIS WAY.
I'M COUNTING IT AS SOMEWHERE RIGHT THERE.
PLUM INTERSECTS WITH, UH, THIS WAY.
IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE MAIN GOAL ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET AND IS PLUMB ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, RIGHT? AM I, DID I MISS ON, ON YOUR SIDE? DID I MISS, DID I MISSPEAK? IS IT NOT, IS IT NOT PLUM? THIS IS WHEN IT COMES OUTTA HIS SUBDIVISION WHERE PLUM COMES IN, INTO THAT SUBDIVISION, IT COMES BACK OUT ONTO THIS WAY.
THAT IS ON THIS SIDE, IT IS PLUM.
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AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET WHERE HE LIVE IS CALLED MANGO.BUT ANYWAY, IT'S, I DON'T, I SORRY, I'D HAVE TO GO GRAB WELL AGAIN, WE CAN PULL A MAP, WE CAN PULL A TRUE MAP UP THE SHOW.
I MAY BE USING THE WRONG FILTER, WRONG HIS WAY HOME.
REALLY WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE, WE SHAVE IT OFF, WE STOP RIGHT HERE, RIGHT AT THIS ELBOW, PRACTICALLY AT THE ELBOW.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS WAY, COMING FROM THE 2 88 ALL THE WAY TO 2004, YOU GOT AB JACKSON, YOU GOT LAKE ROAD, YOU COME ON DOWN HERE, YOU TURN LEFT ON MANGO TO MY GO TO MY STREET.
YOU COME HERE TO THE, TO THE T MM-HMM
TAKE A RIGHT THAT GOES AROUND LIKE THAT.
PAPA COMES DOWN, DOWN LAKE ROAD DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT.
UH, I'LL JUST BRING IT UP THE MAP.
WELL, SHE'LL CORRECT US, BUT I THOUGHT THE ONLY THING THAT COME OUT ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE, NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE POST OFFICE RIGHT HERE.
WELL, WE, YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THIS WAY.
THERE IS A CURB THIS WAY THAT COMES OUT FROM 3 32 THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND.
SO GUYS, IT GOES RIGHT IN THE BACK OF YOUR BACKYARD.
THAT ROAD THAT GOES IN YOUR BACKYARD.
THAT I, THE DRAWING SHOWED THIS WAY GOING OFF FROM HERE, FROM LAKE ROAD.
THAT WAS OUR INITIAL ESTIMATE.
NOW WHEN WE'VE CUT, WE WILL STOP RIGHT HERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF PLUM, MANGO AND THIS WAY.
I WAS THINKING, OKAY, THAT'S RIGHT.
NOW I WAS THINKING THAT THAT SUBDIVISION THERE'S ACROSS FROM THE POST OFFICE, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WE WILL ONLY BE DOING MAKING PANEL REPLACEMENTS RIGHT IN SECTION THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE.
THIS WAS THE, SO FROM HERE, FROM LAKE ROAD TO HERE IS $530,000.
IF YOU, IF WE PUT AND DO ALL OF THIS, THAT'S OVER $800,000 TO DO ALL OF THIS THOUSAND.
IS THAT CORRECT, SAL? THAT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT.
SAL DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ROAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT.
IT MAY BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
BUT ANYWAY, THE CUTOFF IS THERE.
AND SO WHAT MODESTO WAS SAYING IS FROM HERE, WE'RE HANGING DOWN, THE POST OFFICE IS $530,000 IN THIS, THIS WHOLE ROAD IS 800 SOMETHING THOUSAND, ALMOST $900,000.
SO I, IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE IT'S FLIPPED OVER AS WE DO THIS.
THOUSAND, I MEAN, WE'LL RE-LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, BUT, UH, THAT'S THE, WELL, WOULDN'T IT BE THE, UH, THE RESULTS FROM THE RAS, UH, STUDY, UH,
BUT, UH, THAT PORTION BEYOND, UH, PLUM STREET GOING ALL THE WAY 2004 SHOWED VERY FEW SPOTS.
BECAUSE THEY USED THE OUTSIDE LAND DAMAGE, ALL THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE INSIDE.
I, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY.
I'M, I AM NOT GONNA DEBATE THAT.
BUT, BUT WHAT WAS SAID WAS, IS OUR UH, ENGINEER THAT WORKS FOR SAL SAID THAT WHENEVER THEY, THAT, THAT THEY WALKED IT AND THEY MADE REFERENCE TO THE INSIDE PANEL INSIDE OF THE ROAD TOO.
THAT WAS A VISUAL INDICATE VISUAL.
THE NUMBER DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.
CAN'T BE, I MEAN THAT ONLY 300, $330,000 FOR FOUR TIMES THE LENGTH OF THE ROAD, THE, UH, THE AREA.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE IS ON THAT.
THAT THREE QUARTERS OF THE ROAD IS, IT MAY NOT BE AS DAMAGED AS THE FRONT PARKING.
WE'LL LOOK AT IT ONE MORE TIME.
IT'S ALL, AND IT'S ALL IN THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE PERSON.
YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE FIND THE, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, ROLLERCOASTER.
ROLLERCOASTER, YOU KNOW, AS BAD AS AN ACTUAL, YOU KNOW, STRUCTURAL PROBLEM.
AND UH, THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE YOU START LOSING.
BUT IN THE SURVEY, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT METRICS.
THERE'S DRIVABILITY, BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO STRUCTURAL.
WE'RE LOOKING AT STRUCTURAL AS WELL.
THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT, THEY DIDN'T ADDRESS, THEY DIDN'T LOOK AT DRIV.
THEY DIDN'T SCORE DRIVABILITY.
SO I KIND OF WANNA GO BACKTRACK A LITTLE BIT.
'CAUSE I THINK WHAT I UNDERSTOOD US TO DISCUSS THAT THE BOND WORKSHOP IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I JUST HEARD WITH THE FIRE IN THE PD BUILDINGS.
BECAUSE MY PERSONAL INTENT WITH THE BOND MONEY AND WHAT WAS SPENT IS TO GET THEM IN GOOD WORKING ORDER TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PROJECTS WE'RE TRYING TO FUND TO WHERE WE CAN MAINTAIN.
IS THAT CORRECT? LIKE I, I WOULD LIKE WITH THIS BOND TO GET BOTH BUILDINGS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND THEN JUST MAINTAIN, WILL $6 MILLION DO THAT
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OR WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FIRE.WE DON'T HAVE, UH, IN DEPTH BOTH BUILDINGS.
WHAT WOULD IT COST? THE LEASE GOES TO SUPPLEMENT WHERE WE'RE YEAH, I WOULD SAY ON THE FIRE WE'RE, I MEAN ON THE, THE FIRE.
WE DID NOT GO THROUGH THE SAME EXERCISE FOR THE PT.
WE WERE REALLY LOOKING AT JUST THE SUPPLEMENTAL FOR THE EXPANSION.
AND THEN WE HAVE THROWN IN MAKING A A FEW, A FEW THINGS.
WE DID NOT HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO DO A, YOU KNOW, TOP TO BOTTOM ON, ON THE PD, ESPECIALLY THE COOLING TOWERS.
THAT THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE ITEM.
AND I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE, YOU WERE GOING TO GET THE QUOTE ON THE COOLING TOWER.
WE, WE DID PUT IT IN COUNCILMAN COOLING TOWER PRICE.
SO, SO WE COULD REMOVE ALL THE AIR CONDITIONING OFF THE ROOF AND PUT IT, PUT IT AND ALSO THE ROOF.
THE, THE, THE MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN THERE IS A PLUG.
WE'VE ASKED, UH, THE COMPANY TO DO IT IS TO REPLACE, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT TO REMOVE AND DO NEW, UM, DUCT WORK AND BLOWERS AND STUFF FOR THE WHOLE BUILDING.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A THOROUGH ANALYSIS FOR THAT.
THIS IS JUST REPLACING THE COOLING SITE THAT DOES THE EOC, UM, THE, THE COURT, UM, AND APPORTION, YOU KNOW, OF THE PD, BUT IT'S NOT REVAMPING THE WHOLE AIR CONDITIONING SYSTEM.
IF THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL WANTS TO JUST LOOK, WELL, WE PUT A BANDAID ON A BRICK PROBLEM THERE.
WE WOULD HAVE TO, AIR CONDITIONING NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OFF THE ROOF.
SO WE CAN, IT'S A FLAT ROOF, SO WE DON'T KEEP ON REPAIRING IT.
YOU CAN GET A GOOD WARRANTY ON IT BECAUSE ONCE YOU WALK ON IT AND DROP TOOLS AND STUFF, IT, THE WARRANTY'S OVER.
SO THE WARRANTY'S REALLY NO GOOD.
AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT OFF OF THE ROOF INTO A COOLING TOWER, WHICH CAN SERVICE CITY HALL AND PD IF NEED TO BE.
WE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT A WHOLE NEW HVAC SYSTEM DESIGN AND THE EXISTING BUILDING, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE TO CUT IT OUT THE WHOLE THING.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE CEILING SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT DUCT WORK IN.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF THAT.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, OF HAVING A CENTRALIZED STATION.
WE ABOUT POOLING TOWER, RIGHT.
THIS JUST TO CHANGE THE EXISTING, THIS MAY BE WHAT'S TAKING THEM AS LONG TO GET US SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS.
AND I MAY NOT HAVE HAVE MADE THIS CLEAR, BUT YES, WE DID LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF OUR CURRENT NINE PACKAGE UNITS ON ONE END OF THE BUILDING AND THEN THE CHILLER SYSTEM THAT TAKES CARE OF THE COURT.
EOC IN A SMALL PORTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THAT USED TO BE COURT THAT WAS CONVERTED TO PD, UH, 15 YEARS AGO OR SO.
BUT I DID ASK THEM AS AN EXERCISE, LOOK, IF, IF YOU WERE GOING TO, UH, SAY THIS UNIT HAD TO BE COMPLETELY REPLACED AND WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF WE GOT RID OF ALL THE PACKAGE UNITS ON THERE? AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME THEY NEED TO DO THAT FULL JUSTICE, BUT I ASKED THEM TO DO BOTH EXERCISES.
AND IT COULD BE THAT THAT'S WHAT'S TAKEN THEM SO LONG.
THEY WERE TASKED WITH FIRST TO SEE, LET'S GET THIS CHILLER EITHER REPLACED OR, OR WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO MAKE IT SOLID.
UH, AND THE, THE OTHER PACKAGE UNIT ARE IN VARYING AGES.
UH, WE STILL HAVE ISSUES WITH 'EM.
BUT THEN IF COUNSEL WANTS US TO REALLY EXPLORE THAT, I WOULD NOT PUT THAT ON THIS BOND ISSUE.
I JUST, I, I WOULD NOT TRUST GETTING THAT NUMBER JUST FROM THE SUPPLIER.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BUDGET FOR SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGN FOR HVAC CONSULTANT TO GIVE US A NUMBER ON THAT CONVERTING FACILITY.
AGAIN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, IF, IF THE DESIGN OF THE BILLING CURRENTLY WOULD ALLOW IT.
SO WE ONLY HAVE, OUT OF ALL OUR FACILITIES, WE ONLY HAVE TWO, TWO CHILLERS, ONE AT THE REC CENTER.
AND THAT IS ONLY FOR THE AUDITORIUM AND A SMALL PORTION OF THE FACILITY.
A LOT OF THE FACILITY IS STILL ROOFTOPS AND THE COURT EXPANSION, UH, ON THAT.
EVERY OTHER FACILITY WE HAVE IS ALL ROOFTOPS.
SO ALL OF THE CIVIC CENTER WITH, UM, MUSEUM, EVERY FACILITY WE HAVE IS, IS, IS ROOFTOPS.
'CAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, WE SPECIFICALLY TALKED ABOUT THE ROOF CONDITION.
MS. SETH ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE AIR CONDITIONING AND THE ROOF WORKING WARRANTY RIGHT.
AND WE'RE GONNA GET AWAY FROM THAT BY HAVING ROOFTOP UNITS BECAUSE THAT JUST CREATES PROBLEMS WITH, RIGHT.
I MEAN IT WAS MENTIONED, BUT MY, IS THE ROOF ON THIS BUILDING IN GOOD CONDITION IN THE, ON THE PD OR NO, NO.
THE, THE PROBLEM WITH THE, THE PD AND, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL OUTSIDE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS THE PD IS A BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT IN 1954 AND IT'S BEEN EXPANDED THREE TIMES.
EVERY, SO EVERY TIME YOU MAKE AN ADDITION, YOU HAVE, YOU CHANGE THE ROOF.
IT'S USUALLY WHERE THE GOOD PORTION OF THAT ROOF WAS RECOVERED
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WITH VINYL MEMBRANE 20 10, 20, UH, 2011.UH, BUT IMMEDIATELY AFTER, AT THE JOINT THERE WHERE THEY QUIT, WHERE WE HAD TO MEET THE OTHER, UH, WHERE THE, WHERE THE NEWER PORTION, I THINK THE 1994 PORTION WAS, IT LEAKED ALMOST EVER SINCE.
AND YET WE'VE HAD A LOT OF LEAKS.
NOW I'M GONNA SAY THIS, AFTER THE STORM, WE HAD JCO COME UP AND THEY LOOKED AT SOME OF THESE ISSUES.
UH, THEY MADE SOME, SOME REPAIRS AND WE DON'T HAVE THE LEAKS WE DID BEFORE.
BUT WHEN YOU GET ON THERE AND THE, AND THE SUN'S OUT, YOU, YOU, IT'S A MOON ROOF.
SO, UH, THAT MEMBRANE SHOULDN'T BE FLOATING LIKE THAT.
AND WE DO CREATE PROBLEMS FOR OURSELVES WHEN WE REPLACE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND YOU KNOW, YOU PULL ONE UP, YOU KNOW, CURBS ARE SPECIALLY MADE.
WE'RE NOT HAVING AN INSPECTOR INSPECT THE CURB.
SO YOU, YOU'RE LEAVING IT TO CHANCE THAT THE CONTRACTOR THAT YOU HIRED IS BUILDING THE CURB CORRECTLY, INSTALLING IT CORRECTLY.
AND, UM, HE'S GONNA LEAVE SOME SCREW.
THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR THE EXTRA SCREWS THAT THEY STEP ON AND IT GOES THE TWO.
I MEAN, I'M NOT WITH YOUR TIRES.
I'M NOT ARGUING AGAINST THAT LOGIC.
I JUST DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD THIS SCREW.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE, WE ARE ALL CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE GETTING.
'CAUSE YOU WANT, THE LAST THING I WANNA DO IS HAVE SOME OF IT IN THE BOND MONEY AND THEN A FEW YEARS LATER GO BACK TO THE CITIZEN AND SAY, HEY, WE NEED ANOTHER BOND FOR REMAINING OF THE FUNDS.
I WANTED TO, RIGHT NOW, MY, UM, THE NUMBER THAT I THOUGHT THAT I WAS PROPOSING TO YOU IS JUST TO REPLACE THE MILLION PLUG IS JUST TO REPLACE THE CHILLER AS IS, UH, IT WAS AN EXPANSION.
IF THEY COME BACK WITH A NUMBER AND SAYS, NO, NO, THE MILLION WOULD COVER THAT, UM, THEN I, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THAT NUMBER BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT.
AND I WOULD BE SURPRISED THAT IT WOULD, COULD BE COVERED UNDER THAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN PUT EXTERNAL DUCT INATED DUCTS ON TOP AND HAVE A CHILLER SERVICE THAT, SO THERE'S SEVERAL WAYS OF DOING THAT.
UM, SO ANNA, CAN YOU GO TO THE NUMBERS? SO A PORTION OF, YOU KNOW, OF THIS, WHEN WE INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT THIS, WE WERE ONLY, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPANSION SUPPLEMENT WE'RE 800,000 SHORT, UH, OF WHAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
WE'VE PLUGGED IN THE NUMBER THAT, UH, JAYCO HAS GIVEN US TO REPLACE IT, IT WAS SIX 50 I'VE ROUNDED TO 700.
AND THEN THE CHILLER GENERATOR IS, YOU KNOW, WAITING FOR A FIRM FIRMER NUMBER.
UH, SO WE'VE ESTIMATED 2.5 MILLION AND WE'VE STAYED WITH A FOUR YEAR INFLATION, UH, FOUR YEAR INFLATION AT 5%.
SO IT ROUNDS UP TO, UH, THREE, 3 MILLION.
THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THAT IS USING P GAL'S NUMBER AND EXPANDING THAT FROM WHAT WE HAD IN 2019.
UH, THEY'VE GIVEN US A 7%, YOU KNOW, UM, INFLATION FACTOR FROM THEIR 2019 NUMBER.
AND THEN WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE'VE DONE THE 4% OVER THAT ON THE FIRE.
THAT'S ONE WHERE WE ASKED IED.
UM, UM, THESE ARE PICTURES OF THE GENERATORS.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS, IF WE HAD LEFTOVER MONEY AFTER REPLACING THE CHILLER, WE WOULD ASK TO USE THOSE FOR A GRANT MATCH.
UH, THE LEFTOVER MONEY WOULD NOT, UH, PAY FOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK INDIVIDUALLY ANY OF THE, OF THE GENERATORS WE WOULD, UH, HAVE TO SUBMIT FOR A GRANT.
AND I DO THINK THAT BECAUSE IT'S A PD FACILITY, WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT, UH, AND OUR HAZARD MITIGATION, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE A VERY GOOD CHANCE OF GETTING THOSE, UH, FUNDED.
SO WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, PREPARING THAT.
UH, I THINK WE WE'RE, UM, HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR, UM, DCMC ON SUBMITTING FOR A GRANT FOR THAT.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THOSE DOLLARS, UH, WOULD NOT BE ENOUGH TO COVER THE GENERATORS.
UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THIS IS ONE WHERE, UH, YOU SAW THE, THE DETAILED, UM, ANALYSIS FROM IED.
THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IS 4 0 8.
THAT'S REALLY CHANGING OUT THE, THE, THE, I WOULD CALL THE DOG SHED.
IT'S NOT REPLACING THE ENTIRE ROOF.
UH, AND DOES IT ADDRESS THE CLOCK PROBLEM? THAT'S THE 4 0 8 IS, AND SOME OTHER MINOR THING IS TRYING TO ADDRESS THE, THE CLOCK PROBLEM.
THE, I CALL IT THE DOG SHED, UH, BUILDING INTERIORS AND MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL PLUMBING AND THEN SITE WORK.
UM, THAT DOESN'T TOTAL, WE'RE MISSING A NUMBER THAT DOESN'T TOTAL ON, THAT DOESN'T TOTAL.
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SO WE'RE MISSING, HOW OLD WAS THAT FIRE STATION? UH, 2000.SO HOW OLD'S THE FIRE STATION 2004 OR, OR WHEN WAS THE FIRE STATION BUILT? 2003 AND IT WAS PUT INTO SERVICE 2004.
WE DON'T HAVE, UH, WE, I MISSED THAT.
WE DON'T HAVE THE, ALL OF THE NUMBERS IN THERE, BUT THE TOTAL COST THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDED IS 2.4.
UM, SO, AND AGAIN, YOU SAID THAT THAT SHOULD ADDRESS ALL THE KNOWN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
ALL THE KNOWN ISSUES THAT WE HAVE.
WE'LL COME BACK AND LOOK AT AND UPDATE THOSE NUMBERS.
UM, ANNA, CAN YOU GO FORWARD? YES.
THAT WAS HIS, UH, FORWARD, FORWARD NEXT SLIDE.
SO WE BACK UP A SECOND ON THE, ON THAT UHHUH, WHAT IS, UH, WHAT IS RED, GREEN, BLACK, WHATEVER, WHAT ARE, WHAT'S THE LEGEND? THERE'S NO LEGEND ON THERE THAT I CAN FIND.
UH, THERE WAS ON THE REPORT IT WAS, UH, HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW.
BUT I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHAT COLOR.
YEAH, THAT'S, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THERE OR IS THERE IS IN THE, IN THE REPORT WHEN WE HAD THE INITIAL ID YEAH, WHEN THEY HAD THE, THE DETAILED BREAKOUT COST.
HE HAD, UH, HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW.
EVERYTHING LISTED THERE IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE BOND DOLLAR.
THOSE ARE THE DATES THAT THE ROOF HAS BEEN REPAIRED OR REPLACED.
AND SO THE MIDDLE ROOF WAS, UH, THE OLDEST PORTION OF THE ROOF IS 2019.
BUT AGAIN, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, WHERE WE HAVE THE, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM OF THE CLOCK, THE CLOCK TOWER, THE DOCK.
I HAD THOUGHT, BUT I'D BEEN CORRECTED.
I DIDN'T, I WAS, I WAS WONDERING, HAD THESE BEEN REPLACED, UM, AT THIS TIME, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY ALL THREE WERE, UH, REPLACED AND REPAIRED BECAUSE WHEN WE APPROVED THE, THE ROOF REPAIRS IN 23.
WE HAD THE DISCUSSION THEN THAT THE ROOF HAD EXCEEDED ITS LIFESPAN AT THAT POINT.
BUT WHAT ABOUT THESE WERE, THESE WERE ORIGINAL.
THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T 'CAUSE THAT, I THINK WE HAD MENTIONED WE HAD REPLACED THESE RIGHT.
IT WAS, BUT WE HADN'T REPLACED THESE.
THESE, THESE WERE, THESE WERE ORIGINAL AND SO NOW THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED.
SO REALLY RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE.
AND THAT THE DOGHOUSE HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FROM DAY ONE, FROM DAY ONE.
AND PART, PART OF THE RE PART OF THE, WHAT THE DOLLARS ARE GONNA DO IS GO IN AND ACTUALLY, IS IT GONNA BE REMOVING IT OR IS IT GOING TO ACTUALLY PUT THE STRUCTURE IN THERE? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN WHEN DAY ONE, 'CAUSE THIS WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT.
THIS WAS, THIS WAS A MANDATE BY THE ARCHITECT.
IT WAS A REQUEST BY THE ARCHITECT THAT IT WAS A MANDATE COUNSEL WHO WAS GOING TO THAT, UH, GREEN MURDER.
THERE'S VERY FEW TIMES THAT I CAN, UH, CRITICIZED MY BOSSES.
BUT STAFF ADVISED AGAINST IT AND, UH, UH, COUNCIL ACCEPTED THE ARCHITECT'S RECOMMENDATION TO COME BACK.
WHAT HAPPENED WAS, IT WASN'T THE INITIAL DESIGN AND THE CONTRACTOR DID NOT DO IT CORRECTLY AND HAD PUT THE FLAT ROOF AND THE FELT VERY STRONGLY.
SO THIS DIDN'T EXIST ONLY THE FRONT FACADE.
AND HE FELT VERY STRONGLY THAT, THAT THAT WAS GOING TO HURT THE DESIGN OF THE FACILITY.
SO HE, UH, UM, MY PREDECESSOR ADAM REALLY OPPOSED IT.
IT SAID, NO, WE'RE NOT CUTTING THE ROOF.
AND THE ARCHITECT, UH, REQUESTED A SPECIAL MEETING WITH COUNSEL AND HE CONVINCED COUNSEL THAT HE WAS RIGHT.
AND SO WE ALLOWED THE CONTRACTOR TO CUT THE ROOF AND INSTALL THIS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A CLOCK TOWER.
AND WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS EVER SINCE
SO WE'RE GONNA GO IN AND FIX THAT.
WE'RE GONNA TRY
AND SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THERE'S, I MEAN, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST CITY BUILDINGS.
FLAT, FLAT ROOFS JUST DON'T WORK.
AND, UH, NOW HERE WE DO, UH, THE, THE AIR CONDITIONINGS ARE ACTUALLY VERY LIMITED
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TO THESE TWO AREAS.THOSE ARE PROBABLY AREAS THAT WE PROBABLY DO EXPERIENCE LEAKS.
SO IT GOES TO, IT DOES SUPPORT, UH, COUNCILMAN S'S UH, YOU KNOW, THING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE LEAKS WHERE WE HAVE AIR CONDITIONING ON THE ROOFS INDUSTRY WIDE.
THERE'S NOTHING NEW FOR THE CITY.
I STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO, UH, GET A FINAL NUMBER TO YOU.
UM, UH, THE FIRST READING IS JANUARY 1ST, THE 21ST, AND THEN SECOND READING.
UH, SO WE'RE TRYING TO TIGHTEN THAT, YOU KNOW, NUMBER UP ON THE PD.
UH, NO, YOU SAID JANUARY 1ST, I'M SORRY.
UH, IT'S THE FIRST READING, BUT THE NU THE FINAL NUMBER CAN BE, IF WE KNOW IF IT'S GOOD BY FEBRUARY 3RD, WE WOULD'VE TO, UH, TO KNOW.
BUT, UM, MY GOAL IS JANUARY 21ST.
UM, AND THEN TO BE EXTRA PERSISTENT HERE.
SO WE'RE DOING ANOTHER EXPANSION ON PD AND WE STILL WON'T HAVE THE ROOF.
IT'S REALLY BOTHERS ME TO NOT HAVE A ROOF.
WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING MONEY DOING ANYTHING UNDERNEATH THAT ROOF.
SO MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW HARD WOULD IT BE TO GET A NUMBER TO INCLUDE THE ROOF IN THIS, THE ENTIRE ROOF WITH THE EXPANSION? OH, AT THE TIME OF THE, THE, THE, THE ROOF, THE ROOF NUMBER IS IN THERE, UH, FOR THE ENTIRE ROOF FOR REPLACE, UH, OKAY.
IT WASN'T WHAT WE, WE BUDGETED THE WORST CASE FOR WHAT THE CONTRACTOR SAID WAS SIX 50 AND WE PLUGGED IN 700,000.
IT JUST BOTHERED ME TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT RIGHT.
DON'T HAVE DO AIR CONDITIONING REPAIRS THOUGH.
'CAUSE FIRST TIME YOU DO AIR CONDITIONING REPAIRS, THE ROOF IS GONNA LEAK BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA DROP, UH, TOOLS.
THEY'RE GONNA STEP ON THOSE TOOLS AND MEMBRANE IS GONNA BUST.
AND NOW WHAT KIND OF ROOF ARE WE LOOKING AT? IT'S STILL THE, UH, MEMBRANE, THE MEMBRANE ROOF THAT WE HAVE.
I MEAN, WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU PUT, I MEAN, CAN YOU NOT DO TPO ON THAT ROOF TPO OR YEAH.
IT, IT'S STILL A, A MEMBRANE OPTIC.
WELL, I MEAN THAT'S A MEMBRANE, BUT IT'S A, THAT'S A THREE LAYER VERSUS, 'CAUSE WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THE BOND SHOP WORKSHOP WAS LIKE THE ROLL ON KIND OF TWO LAYER.
I JUST DON'T WANT, I MEAN, IT'S STILL GOING BACK WITH THE TPO.
IT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S TAKING OUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE ROOF CHANGE.
IT'S NOT A PULLING UP ONE LAYER AND PUTTING UP A NEW LAYER.
UH, SO WE'VE PUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO PRICE ON THERE.
NOW JAYCO HAS NOT RECOMMENDED THAT, BUT, UH, WE, WHAT ARE THEY RECOMMENDING? UH, YEAH, WHAT ARE THEY RECOMMENDING PAUL CHIEF TO, TO WHO? OR JAYCO? WHAT DID THEY RECOMMEND? SO JAYCO DIDN'T GIVE US THE QUOTE ON THOSE.
WAS IT TRIMCO OR TIMMCO? THEY WERE THE ONES THAT OFFERED THE OPTION OF, UH, COMING IN AND DOING ALL KIND OF TESTS AND MAKING SURE ALL THE SUB MATERIAL IS RIGHT.
AND THEN THEY HAD A, UH, UH, SOLID MEMBRANE COVER.
WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT THINKING ABOUT, YEAH.
UH, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN A FULL TEAR OFF AND REPLACE.
IF THE FULL TEAR OFF AND REPLACE, THEN IT'S GONNA BE A MEMBRANE.
IF WE'RE SPEND $6 MILLION, LET'S DO THE FULL TEAR OFF.
THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT WE PUT.
THAT'S THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER WE PUT THAT WE CHOSE TEAR OFF.
THE BOND FINANCING WE'RE SHOWING YOU THE PD EXPANSION.
UH, IF WE ISSUED THAT, THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THAT'S, UH, THREE, UH, WELL, LESS 0.03 CENTS.
CAN WE JUST NOT, IT'S ALREADY SHOW THAT WE WON'T, IT'S ALREADY BEEN.
'CAUSE JUST GONNA, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST 'CAUSE PEOPLE SAY, WELL THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S 3 CENTS, THIS IS FOUR.
IT'S, YEAH, WE WON'T, I'M JUST SHOWING YOU THE EFFECT.
THIS IS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
WE'VE ALREADY TOLD THE VOTERS HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST.
UH, JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT, THAT IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE NOT ISSUED YOU THAT YET.
AND WE WOULDN'T ISSUE THAT, UH, EVER UNLESS WE GO BACK TO THE VOTERS AND GET A SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, PRICE.
'CAUSE THE 2.4 WON'T COVER THE EXPANSION.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME THAT WE EVER TURNED MONEY BACK.
UH, WELL, WE DON'T, WE HAVEN'T ISSUED IT.
SO WE, SO IT'S, I MEAN, IS THAT A BLACK EYE
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WITH, UH, OUR RATING, THE RATING OR ANYTHING OF NOT USING? NO, BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT REALLY.IT'S JUST THAT WE, JUST TO GO BACK TO VOTERS AND JUST INFORM ME IS THAT WE'VE DECIDED NOT TO SPEND THESE DOLLARS 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MEET THE COST DOES, DOESN'T COVER THE COST.
DOESN'T GET YOU WHAT WE WANTED.
UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS, AGAIN, 6 MILLION, THAT'S THREE FOR FIRE, THREE FOR POLICE.
UH, DRAINAGES AT THREE AND EIGHT FOR THE STREETS.
THAT HAS A, AN EFFECT OF 4 CENTS.
UM, UM, THAT THE DEBT RATE WOULD GO UP IF APPROVE APPROVED.
NOW THE 18 MILLION IS 4.20 CENTS.
SO LET ME ASK A QUESTION AGAIN.
'CAUSE YOU KEEP ON THROWING WORDS OUT THERE SAYING, WELL, IF WE HAVE ANYTHING LEFT OVER, WE'RE GONNA DO THIS OR THIS OR WHATEVER TYPE STUFF.
THE 8 MILLION HERE, IT INCLUDES ALL OF THIS WAY.
THIS ONE? NO, IT'S THIS ONE HERE.
THIS ONE, YOU SAID IT WOULD BE TAKING OUT THE, A SECTION OF THIS WAY WHEN WE HAD THE LONG DISCUSSION MM-HMM
BUT YOU SAID, IF WE HAVE ANY MONEY LEFT OVER, WELL THEN WE'LL GO DO RESIDENTIAL STUFF, LIKE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO MY DEAL IS, IS THAT IT'S, IT'S 8 MILLION OR IT'S 8 MILLION.
SO JUST KEEP ALL OF THIS WAY IN THERE AND GO AFTER THE 8 MILLION AND DO IT.
THAT'S MY THOUGHT IS, I MEAN, DOWN, LET'S COMPLETE A PROJECT DOWN TO YOU'RE, YOU'RE TAKING $300,000 OFF, OFF OF, BETWEEN THESE TWO NUMBERS FOR THIS WAY IS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO NICKELS AND DIMES, IT'S YEAH.
WE'RE, IT DOESN'T EQUATE TO ANYTHING.
WE, UM, ON, GO BACK TO THE, THE, THE SLIDE WHERE WE HAD THE STREETS.
WHEN I TRIED TO COMMUNICATE, GO TO SLIDE FOUR ON THIS WAY, IT WAS 810,000.
BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM LINE, THE COST WAS ESTIMATED AT 8.1 MILLION.
SO WE WEREN'T GONNA GET DONE EVERYTHING ON THE LIST, BUT IT WAS A FIVE YEAR ADJUSTED LIST.
AND SO THE GOAL WAS TO GET THIS OUT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE AND DO IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO HIT UNDER THAT INFLATION FACTOR.
SO HOPEFULLY WE COULD DO EVERYTHING ON THE LIST AND NOT HIT THE 8.1 MILLION.
IF ON THE REVISED NEXT SLIDE IT TOOK IT TO 7.8.
BUT BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A MODEST CHANGE, I STILL RECOMMENDED TO HOLD FAST AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDED TO HOLD FAST AT THE 8 MILLION.
UH, WE STILL WOULDN'T BE DOING THE WHOLE PORTION OF, UH, THIS WAY.
BUT ANY DOLLARS LEFT OVER THEN WOULD BE, COULD GO TOWARDS PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON RESIDENTIAL STREETS AFTER WE TACKLE THESE THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
BUT IF YOU GET IT DONE QUICKLY AND YOU HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER AND WE'VE ASKED FOR $200,000 EXTRA, WHY WOULD WE NOT JUST GO AHEAD AND FINISH THIS WAY WITH THOSE DOLLARS? I, WE COULD.
WHAT I HEARD WAS, WELL, WE WERE QUESTION, IT WASN'T A PRIORITY.
WE DID HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK REALISTICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT NICKELS AND DIMES AND STUFF, DOLLARS AND CENTS THAT IT, WE ASKED THAT QUESTION WHEN YOU CAME BACK WITH INFORMATION.
I'M SAYING JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT THIS WAY AND COMPLETE A PROJECT AND NOT JUST HOPE AND WISH AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
LET'S PLAN ON DOING IT AND GET IT DONE.
SO ESPECIALLY IT'S NOT THAT MUCH SAME THAT WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
AND, AND AGAIN, Y'ALL MAY COME BACK WITH SOME NUMBERS AND SAY THAT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
SO, 'CAUSE Y'ALL ARE GONNA LOOK AT, 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T LOOK RIGHT ON HOW THE SPLIT WAS.
NO, THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK THE QUESTIONS.
WELL, AGAIN, WE'RE MAKING SAUSAGE HERE, SO, UM, IT'S NOT A, NOT A PRETTY SIDE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS SO LITTLE DIFFERENCE IN THERE.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE IS STILL, WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK.
THIS, I MEAN, I HAD GOTTEN A PHONE CALL, I HAVE NOT RETURNED IT YET.
TO A GENTLEMAN WHO LIVES ON PINE ASKING SAID THAT HE SPOKE TO, UM, AGAIN, MY PREDECESSOR 15 YEARS AGO AND ASKED WHEN PINE WAS GOING TO BE DONE
AND IT'S HAS BEEN A HIGH PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, FOR STAFF.
SAL GAVE ME AN UPDATED NUMBER, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOME SLOPE PAVING ON PINE IS 1.2 MILLION.
SO I ROUTED UP THE 3 MILLION TO, TO 4 MILLION.
THAT NUMBER FOR DRAINAGE COULD BE 20 MILLION.
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OH, 40 MILLION.BUT WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN ASK THE VOTERS TO PAY FOR.
UH, SO TRYING TO BE CONSERVATIVE, KNOWING THAT IT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE TALKING THE, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, UM, TRYING TO DO, I REALLY CAN'T COMMIT TO A LOT, YOU KNOW, OR I'M HESITANT TO, TO COMMIT TO THE PUBLIC ON SPECIFIC PROJECTS FOR DRAINAGE.
IT'S, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH SLOPE PAVING, UH, AND STUFF.
AND WE WILL WORK OUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE PROJECTS ARE.
PINE FROM STAFF WAS A HIGH PRIORITY.
AND THE OVERSIZING OF THE TRUNK LINE ON OCD, UH, E BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS RIGHT THERE, THAT TAKES UP HALF OF, UH, TWO TO 2.5 MILLION JUST ON THOSE TWO PROJECTS ALONE.
SO IT GO, WILL MOVE THROUGH 4,000, 4 MILLION QUICK ON DRAINAGE.
SO BETWEEN THE THIS ONE, THE, THE FOUR AND THE THREE, WHAT ARE YOU TAKING OUT OF THE FOUR TO GET YOU TO THREE? WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU NOT GONNA DO? PINE DITCH WOULD GO AWAY.
SO THAT'S, THAT GIVES YOU PINE DITCH.
SO OTHER THAN THE ONE RESIDENT'S CONCERN IS, HOW IMPORTANT IS PINE DITCH SLOPE TO THE OVERALL, AGAIN, THE BIG STUDY WE DID FOR THAT AREA OF TOWN, THE $40 MILLION OF THE PROJECTS, DOES IT DO ANYTHING TO GET US TO SOME OF THAT $40 MILLION PROJECT DONE DRAINAGE? SO IT'S, IT'S GETTING BACK TO THE, IS IT A HAVE TO HAVE THE ANSWER I HEARD FROM THE ANSWER IS THIS ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT HE THINKS THAT NO, THAT'S IS FALLING.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAGNOLIA DITCH.
UH, THE ANSWER I HEARD, AND SAL WILL CORRECT ME IF I MISSTATE FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD OR FROM HIM AND ANY OF THE CONSULTANTS, IS THAT WE HAVE $40 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS.
WE REALLY WON'T SEE A DIFFERENCE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNTIL WE GET TO ABOUT 20 MILLION.
AND AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE IS AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER WE SPEND THE $40 MILLION WAS $40 MILLION 10 YEARS AGO ALREADY.
UH, SO IT'S NO TELL WHAT THE NUMBER IS NOW IS THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO SEE IS THAT THEIR STREETS ARE GONNA DRAIN QUICKER, BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA SEE THEIR STREETS FILL UP WITH WATER.
WE'VE HAVE, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO GET GRANT FUNDING, RIGHT.
UH, FOR THE AREA BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE A HISTORY OF ANY HOUSE FLOODING RIGHT.
IT'S ONLY BEEN STREET FLOODING, WHICH IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, WHEN YOU LOOK STATEWIDE, THAT'S A NUISANCE.
UH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER, YOU KNOW, OTHER PROPERTIES ALL THROUGHOUT TEXAS THAT HOMES ARE ACTUALLY GETTING FLOODING AND THOSE ARE GONNA GET A HIGHER, THE HIGHER PRIORITY FOR, YOU KNOW, GRANT DOLLARS IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
ANYTHING TO DO WITH PALM LANE AND BENNETT WHEN HE CAME HERE? UH, NOT NECESSARILY.
BENNETT? YEAH, MR. BENNETT? MR. OVER THE TOMATO PATCH.
THESE SIR COMPLETED TWO DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. ONE CORRECT.
THAT YOUR NAME SPENT ALL TIME ON, CORRECT? NO.
UH, THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT WILL BE TAKING CARE OF, UH, WITH THE PROJECT THAT'S ONGOING AT MAZDA AND CHESTNUT.
AND THEY'LL BE PART OF THAT DISCUSSION.
THIS REALLY JUST TRIES TO HELP US MAINTAIN BETTER, MAINTAIN THE, I MEAN AT THIS POINT IN TIME WE CAN'T, IT'S HARD FOR US TO EVEN GET IN AND MOW AND TAKE AND TAKE CARE OF.
UH, WHAT, WHAT BECAME, I MEAN, WHY IT BECAME A PRIORITY AS FAR AS IN OUR, IN OUR EYES, WAS THE FACT THAT THE FLOODING THAT WAS OCCURRING AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, AT THE, UH, SCHOOL AT THE RIGHT, THAT'S THE PRIMARY DEAL THERE.
AND PEOPLE GETTING FLOODED UP WHEN, UH, WHEN THERE WAS SCHOOL GOING ON AND EVERYTHING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT CREATED THE, UH, THE PRIMARILY THE NEED FOR US TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO POINT THIS PUT BURN IN.
SO THE SHOULD IMPROVE, HELP IMPROVE IT SHOULD, YOU KNOW, IT SHOULD TO FLOW OUT.
SO THAT, WHAT IS IT, ACAIA? WHAT STREETS IS THAT? THAT THERE'S ASH NOW.
NATIONAL LANE AND THE MID MOD PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, WHICH WE DON'T KNOW IT'S COMING, TRYING TO GET OFF, OFF, UH, TOP DEAD CENTER WITH THE GLO.
UH, IS NOW JUST A CROSSING, UH, AT PINE AND DIXIE.
WHAT ELSE? SO MY RECOMMENDATION RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, IS THE 18 MILLION, RIGHT? UM, YOU CAN SEE OUR CURRENT DEBT SERVICE, UH, OUR INS RATE IS, UM, ALMOST 12 11 6 11 6 2.
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FOR INTEREST IN SINKING RATE.WE HAVE TWO, UH, TWO TAX RATES, UH, M AND O MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION AND INTEREST IN SINKING.
UH, WE HAVE A PROUD HISTORY OF OUR INTEREST IN SINKING RATE IS, UH, ALL APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT, WE HAVE NOT, UH, ISSUED DOUBLE COS WE UH, COS UH, UM, AND, AND THE, UM, SO NONE OF THAT IS CO IT'S ALL, ALL THAT, UH, TAX RATE IS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
UH, THE INS RATE, UM, IF HOLD STEADY ON VALUES, THAT'S HOW WE'RE CALCULATING JUST, UH, THE 3.3 BILLION THAT WE HAVE OR 3.4 BILLION OF PROPERTY TAX VALUES.
UH, THE INS RATE WOULD JUMP IN ITS FIRST YEAR THE HIGHEST TO 1 5 6.
THAT'S ALMOST A FOUR SET, YOU KNOW, INCREASE.
UM, 18 MILLION, IT WOULD BE 4.2 THEM.
AND I DO THINK THAT THIS IS PROBABLY, RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, UM, AGAIN, PROBABLY THE WORKLOAD THAT THE STAFF COULD HANDLE.
UM, UM, I'VE SEEN OTHER, YOU KNOW, CITIES THAT WILL DO 50 MILLION.
I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD, YOU KNOW, GET IT, GET IT DONE.
AND SO I, I JUST, I DON'T THINK PREPARED, DIRECT RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THE INS RATE, WHAT THAT CALCULATES TO A HOMEOWNER, UH, DIRECTLY, UH, 17 MILLION WOULD BE $3 AND 32 CENTS PER MONTH.
AND THE 18 MILLION WOULD BE 3 54.
CAN I SUGGEST THAT ONCE WE LAND ON WHATEVER NUMBER WE'RE GONNA LAND ON THAT THIS IS THE VISUAL THAT WE USE FOR EDUCATION TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
'CAUSE IT CERTAINLY IS THE CLEAREST IMPACT.
IT DOESN'T SHOW THE TOTAL TAX RATE, BUT IT DOES SHOW THE RATE THAT THE VOTERS ARE APPROVING.
APPROVING AND, AND WHAT IS THEY DIRECTLY, UM, UH, AND PERHAPS THE GRAPH WHERE IT SHOWS THAT EVEN IF THEY APPROVE THIS AMOUNT OR THAT AMOUNT, WHERE THAT PUTS LAKE JACKSON IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF CITIES OUR SIZE, RIGHT.
SO IT SHOWS WHERE WE'RE NOW AT 0.3, 2, 5 9.
IF THE 18 MILLION WAS APPROVED, IT WOULD GO TO 0.3 6, 7 7.
UM, YES, WE WOULD BE, UM, MOVE UP RIGHT BEHIND BEHIND LAKE CITY.
NOW IT, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT, UH, AND THIS GRAPH IS PRETTY GOOD ABOUT IT, START ASKING QUESTIONS TO ME, YOU START ASKING QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY KIND OF MANAGEMENT OUT THERE THAT, OR DISCIPLINE THAT SAYS THAT YOUR INS AND YOU KNOW, THE RATIOS BETWEEN THE AMOUNT THAT YOU HAVE INS BONDS AND WHAT YOU HAVE THAT IS REVENUE FROM TAXES.
IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE, IN THE WORLD OF CHANGE, YOUR RATE IN YOUR WORLD, IS THERE, IS THERE AN ISSUE WHENEVER YOU START GETTING, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU HAVE, UH, A SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO? YEAH, IT'S, THERE'S NOT A SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT WE DID ASK THE QUESTION AS LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A CONCERN FOR THE BOND RATING AND STUFF OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DEBT, YOU KNOW, DOES THE MARKET THINK THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT? WE DID NOT GET A NEGATIVE ANSWER FROM OUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR.
I MEAN, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER TAKE ON IT? UM, IT'S A, IT'S A SMALL ISSUE THAT'S
WHAT I WOULD CAUTION IS NOT TO BE EVER AS AGGRESSIVE AS LIN WAS, RIGHT.
THAT I WAS GETTING TO IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S THEIR DEBT RATIO TO, I DUNNO IF IT'S THE, TO, TO INCOME OR TO, YOU KNOW, LIKE TAX OR, ANYWAY, THE RATIO WAS, IT WAS LIKE 50 51% OF DEBT.
AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS, BUT IN A CORPORATE WORLD YOU WANT THAT NUMBER TO ACTUALLY BE AROUND 30, 36% AND, UH, AND STUFF.
SO IT'S, IT'S GETTING BACK TO AGAIN, HOW MUCH YOU HAVE IN DEBT THAT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO PAY BACK.
AND THEN WHAT'S YOUR CAPABIL I GUESS YOUR CAPABILITY OF EARNING PAYMENT? YEAH.
WELL OUR CAPABILITY IS, UH, THE, ON THE, ON THE BOND ISSUE, THE COUNCIL, IT'S MANDATORY THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT DEBT, RIGHT? THAT DEBT AMOUNT, NO MATTER WHAT, EACH YEAR IT'S SET.
AND SO IF WE TAKE ON THAT DEBT AND UH, THE FLOOR DROPS ON VALUES, WE STILL HAVE TO RIGHT.
UH, STATE LAW WILL MAKE US ADJUST THE DEBT RATE, UH, ON IT, UH, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT.
SO, UH, THE DEBTORS WILL, YOU KNOW, WILL GET THEIR, THEIR
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MONEY.THE POINT THAT I WAS, UM, I GUESS ALLUDING TO, YOU KNOW, PARA LAND IS THAT IN SOME, IN A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANCES, VOTERS WILL APPROVE A LOT AND NOT REALIZE THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT.
AND IN THE PARA INSTANCE, UM, THEY APPROVED A, NOT, NOT SO MUCH, IT WAS THE 50 50 THEY APPROVED A LOT.
AND THEN FIVE YEARS LATER OR FOUR YEARS LATER, THEY START TO, IT WAS LIKE, OH, THE TAX BILL CAME IN.
AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TURNOVER THEN BECAUSE LIKE
UNTIL ACTUALLY THEY GOT THE TAX BILL.
IT'S, IT'S WHEN THE BILL COMES IN IS WHEN THEY REALIZE IT.
SO WE TRY TO BE VERY CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW, THE COST.
AND WE TRY NOT TO GET TOO FAR OUT, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE COST.
UH, WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS TODAY TO BEAR THE BURDEN, YOU KNOW, NOT FUTURE VOTERS.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, I I KEEP ON ASKING, YOU KNOW, DO WE GOT TO TURN WHEN WE GO TO THE VOTERS AND ASK 'EM FOR BONDS, IS WE'VE GOT TO SPEND THOSE BONDS QUICKER THAN WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.
AND THIS, THIS, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST ISSUE, WE DID SAY THAT IT WOULD TAKE FIVE YEARS AND WE WOULD ISSUE THAT OVER TO, UM, SPREAD OUT THE COST OF THE IMPACT AS DEBT WAS COMING OFF.
ON THIS ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, UH, TO U UTILIZE THOSE DOLLARS AND GET THE PROJECTS DONE WITH OUR ESTIMATE.
WELL, BY YOUR TIMELINE, YOU'RE SHOWING ONCE IT'S APPROVED, YOU'RE GONNA GO ISSUE THE 18 MILLION 'CAUSE YOU GOT ON THE FIRST YEAR.
WE'RE, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA ISSUE THE WHOLE, THE WHOLE AMOUNT.
AND WE'RE TRYING TO SPEED UP, UH, IF COUNSEL SAYS MOVE FORWARD, UM, WE ARE WORKING ON DOING THE RF QS FOR THE, UH, DESIGN OF THE FIRE, UM, AND THE, THE PANEL REPLACEMENT, THE PANEL REPLACEMENT AND THE PD, UH, EXPANSION.
SO IF THEN, IF IT'S APPROVED BY THE VOTERS, THEN WE COULD SECURE A CONTRACT, UH, SOMETIME IN THE JUNE JULY TIMEFRAME TO TO, TO GET ALL THREE PROJECTS, UH, STARTED.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS HERE, THAT THE, ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE GOT, IT SAYS, UH, THE, UH, 10 MILLION.
THESE, THESE NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT.
I WAS JUST
AND WE TOOK OUT THE, THE 2.4 THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.
SO IN REALITY, WHEN WE FIRST SHOWED YOU IN DECEMBER, WE WERE SHOWING 20 MILLION, IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE SAME EFFECT.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN THE 18 PLUS THE 2.4.
AND WE THOUGHT, OKAY, THAT'S GONNA START TO CONFUSE EVERYONE.
SO NOW WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, JUST SHOWED IT AND CONCENTRATED ON ACTUALLY WHAT WE WOULD BE ASKING THE VOTERS TO APPROVE.
UH, WE'D BE ASKING THEM TO APPROVE 18 MILLION, BUT WE WOULD COMBINE THAT WITH WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OF THE 2.4.
UH, THE STICKY POINT IS, IS THAT THE 2.4 MILLION OR WHATEVER BONDS YOU'VE GOT THAT WE HAVEN'T ISSUED YET, ASK YOU ISSUES, THESE NUMBERS ARE GONNA GO UP, RIGHT? THIS NUMBER'S GONNA GO UP.
IF YOU SELL ALL THE OTHER BONDS THAT WE HAVE APPROVED ALREADY, IT'S GONNA BE 3 CENTS.
IT, IT'LL BE ON TOP OF THIS, IT'LL BE 0.3 7.37.
THE ISSUE FOR, UH, STAY ON THE HOMES AT 25 CENTS TO THE MONTHLY COST FOR THE, UM, THE 2.4 MILLION.
AND THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER BOND OUT OF THE YEAH.
EVERYTHING OUT, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN ISSUED.
SO THAT, THAT NUMBER IS, IS OFF BY 25 CENTS.
25 CENTS IS, UH, THE 2.4 MILLION EXPANSION ALREADY APPROVED.
SO IF COUNSEL GAVE ME DIRECTION OF, WOULD YOU PREFER THAT WE DO A 17 MILLION ISSUE OR AN 18 MILLION ISSUE, THEN WE'LL PREPARE ORDINANCE AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THE NUMBERS TIGHTEN UP FOR THE PD.
THE 17 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 17, 18 A MILLION DOLLARS IS THE ONLY OTHER,
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UM, CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD.I HAD TALKED ABOUT, UM, WOULD WE HAVE TWO ISSUES OR THREE? UH, I A PUBLIC, UH, I DO BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT PUBLIC FACILITIES SAFETY FACILITIES NEEDS TO BE A STANDALONE ISSUE FOR THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON.
UH, THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD STREETS AND DRAINAGE ALSO BE SE UH, SEPARATE OR SHOULD THEY BE COMBINED? I DON'T HAVE A, JUST A FILL SMALL PORTION.
DRAINAGE IS VERY SMALL PORTION OF IT.
I, I, I GUESS I'M THINKING OF ONE IS FACILITIES AND ONE IS THE OTHER TWO ARE INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO YOU COULD DO A 12 MILLION FOR THOROUGHFARE REPLACEMENT AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND 6 MILLION FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.
OR YOU COULD DO 8 MILLION, 4 MILLION AND 6 MILLION AND MORE INFRASTRUCTURE.
TWO, I WOULD, TWO OF THEM I WOULD DO INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITIES.
PUBLIC FACILITIES AND, UH, YOU GO THAT ROUTE, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
AND THE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD NOT BE REALLY SITE, YOU KNOW, SITE SPECIFIC.
IT'S GONNA BE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE, UM, CITYWIDE, SLOW PAVING CITYWIDE, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE TWO IN OUR MIND, UH, AND STUFF, BUT, UM, DIDN'T WANT TO COMMIT TO ANY ONE SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, PROJECT.
AND SO WE WANT TO TRY TO USE THOSE DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR, WELL, IT GETS BACK TO FAR AS WE CAN, IT GETS BACK TO WE COULD USE 20 MILLION ON, ON DRAINAGE AND WE CAN'T AFFORD 20 MILLION.
SO WE'RE SAYING WE CAN AFFORD THIS BOND ISSUANCE $4 MILLION TO GO DO, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.
IT JUST, I, I JUST KNOW THAT EVERYBODY WILL EXPECT THAT 4 MILLION WILL DO IT ALL.
AND WHY CAN'T MY DRAINAGE DITCH BE LINE? IT JUST $4 MILLION IS JUST A DROP IN THE BUCKET.
THAT'S WHY INFRASTRUCTURES KIND OF PUTS IT ALL TOGETHER WITHOUT SPECIFYING ANY PARTICULAR THINGS.
THAT'S THEIR STREET, THEIR DRAINAGE CAN IMPROVED ON.
AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE ORDINANCE ON THAT.
[6. New Business Updates – David Walton]
ALL RIGHT.WE GOT DAVID, YOU GOT ANYTHING TO TELL US? GREAT.
UM, I HAVE PROMISED, UH, ERIC, I WILL TAKE 1.5 SECONDS.
SO I HAVE ONE EXCITING, UH, BIT OF OF NEWS ON HERE.
THE REST OF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SAME, BUT WE HAVE ISSUED CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE FIRST ONE.
STORY BUILDINGS IN THE VILLAS.
ONLY, ONLY TOOK ALMOST FIVE AND A HALF YEARS.
SO WHERE IS ON THE, THE SITE? WHERE ARE THOSE, WHAT BUILDING IS IT? THESE ARE THE ONES CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENCES.
I MEAN, WHEN I DRIVE BY, WHAT I'M SEEING THAT'S BEEN FINISHED LOOKS GOOD FROM THE OUTSIDE.
I MEAN, IT'S APPEALING TO THE EYE.
SO HOPEFULLY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SURPRISINGLY, I WAS IN PARALLEL THE OTHER DAY AND JUST, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NEIGHBORHOOD I WAS IN THAT DROVE BY.
THERE WAS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS KIND OF IN THE SAME CONDITION, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD BEEN ABANDONED AND IT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND JUST PLANE STOP.
SO IT MAY BE, WE MAY NOT BE THE ONLY SITUATION.
IT MAY BE HAPPENING IN OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE.
I'M, I'M SURE IT IS EXPENSIVE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? NO, THERE'S MORE THAN 1.4 SECONDS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
[7. Staff Updates]
UH, STAFF UPDATES, CITY MANAGER, DO GOT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANNA UPDATE US ON? YOU DIDN'T HAVE EVERYTHING LISTED THERE, SO THAT WAS THE WRONG QUESTION THERE.NO, THERE'S NOTHING I WANT TO UPDATE.
UH, ANY ACTION ITEMS? WE'VE GOT, UH, SEVERAL OF 'EM HERE.
SO WE'VE GOT, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL OF 'EM.
UM, WE, UH, BE COMING BACK WITH YOU, UM, ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE OF, UH, INVOLVING A PROPERTY OWNER EARLIER.
THEN WE HAVE, UH, A TWO ORDINANCES THAT CHERYL WILL BE COMING BACK WITH ON ALCOHOL CARRY AND PUBLIC URINATION.
AND I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S IT.
AND OUR READING THE TASK FORCE AND I'LL DO THE, I'LL GET START WORKING ON THE STRUCTURE FOR THE TASK FORCE.
THAT'S PART, WHATEVER WE WANNA CALL IT.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST READING ON OUR, UH, BOND ISSUE, UH, ORDINANCE NEXT, NEXT MEETING.
[8. Construction Updates]
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CONSTRUCTIONS UPDATE.ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? I'M WAS READING THAT.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING FORWARD PROGRESS ON THE DRAINAGE PIPE OFF OF CHIFFON.
UH, YES, THEY ARE MOVING IN, UH, THIS WEEK.
THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING DOING SOME CLEAN, UH, SOME, UH, CLEANING UP OF THAT, OF THAT, UH, OF THAT PIPING CLOSER TO THE WALL.
AND ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY WON.
WE'LL KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT IT'S GONNA TAKE AND THE MONEY AMOUNT IT'S GONNA TAKE FOR, FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.
THE NUMBERS, THE FIRST NUMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, SEEM TO TELL US THAT WE COULD PROBABLY DO WITH WHAT WE GOT RIGHT NOW.
BUT WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT'D BE THE CASE AS FAR AS OTHER PROJECTS ARE HAPPENING.
UH, THE, UH, THE WORK, UH, AT THE, UH, NORTH SHEDDY OAKS, UH, AREA IS, UH, PROGRESSING.
UH, STARTED AGAIN AFTER THE, UH, START OF THE YEAR.
THEY ARE MOVING IN ON THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PIN OAK STREET, WHICH IS THE REMAINING HALF OF THE STREET.
THEY ARE CHANGING ALL THEIR, UH, THEIR DETOURING IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AS OF TODAY.
SO, UH, BY TOMORROW, HOPEFULLY, UH, THE WEATHER ITSELF, THEY WERE THINKING THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE DOING SOME LIMING IF THEY COULD DO THAT ONE.
BUT THE WEATHER ITSELF RIGHT NOW ISN'T REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, ADEQUATE FOR THAT TYPE OF OPERATION.
SO WE'RE HOPING THAT, I MEAN, THEY'RE GONNA BE STARTING THE, UH, THE ACTUAL REMOVAL.
UH, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE GONNA BE REPLACING, UH, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE DISPLACED DURING THIS, UH, PERIOD.
SO THAT'S PROGRESSING WELL, THE, UH, THE, THE OTHER WORK THAT'S GONNA BE READY TO START IS THE ACTUAL PIPE BURSTING, UH, FOR A SEGMENT OF NORTH YON.
UH, THERE'S A, A SEGMENT OF, UH, SAN SH THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE REPLACED AND THAT'S ABOUT READY TO TAKE PLACE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRE, A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING SHORTLY THIS WEEK, HOPEFULLY.
AND WE ARE NOW AT ABOUT, UH, WE'RE ALMOST AT 99% OF THE, UH, SPOT REPAIR PROJECT THAT IS STILL COMING UP.
UH, THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND THAT $2 MILLION, THAT WAS, UH, TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS, UH, APPROVED AT THE LAST, UH, BOISH.
AND, UH, WE ARE SENDING THE LAST COMMENTS, WE SENT THE LAST COMMENTS TO THEM SO THAT WE WOULD BE READY TO, TO START PUTTING THAT THING, YOU KNOW, ON, ON BID.
AND IN 250 WORDS OR LESS, UH, THE OLD ANGLETON ROAD BRIDGE REPAIR THAT IS, IS THAT GONNA REQUIRE THE BRIDGE TO BE CLOSED DOWN WHILE THE REPAIRS ARE DONE? NO.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE, WE'RE HOLDING THAT UP.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A BID LOW BID THAT WE WERE VETTING TO SEE THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THE WORK.
UH, THERE WERE ONLY TWO BIDDERS ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, BUT WE HAVE NOT REALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON THAT ONE PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE SAFETY PLAN THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, IS PROPER.
UH, SO WE ARE, WE WE'RE WANTING THEM TO SEND US ALL THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE, UH, APPLYING ON THAT PROJECT.
UH, NO, WE ARE HOPING THAT THAT'S GONNA BE AT LEAST, IT'S PROBABLY IT'S GONNA BE A TIGHT OPERATION BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE JUST STAGGERING THE FLOW FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER.
IT WON'T BE COMPLETELY, IT WOULD BE ONE LANE WITH FLAGGERS.
WHAT'S THAT ONE LANE WITH THE FLAGGERS? YES.
AND IT WILL IT IMPACT, UH, HEAVY TRUCK EQUIPMENT GOING THROUGH THERE WHILE THEY'RE WORKING ON IT? LIKE OUR GARBAGE TRUCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? OH, WE, WE, WE WE'RE NOT USING THAT.
WE'RE NOT USING, WE'VE CHANGED OUR, WE CHANGED.
WE'RE NOT USING THAT AT THE TIME.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON PROJECTS FOR SOUTH? THANK YOU.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, WE WILL START WITH, UH, MR. ELL? NO SIR.MR. BAKER? NO, JUST FORS FATHER AND DAUGHTER DANCE THIS WEEKEND.
YOU CAN TAKE HIS TWO DAUGHTERS OUT.
THE OLDEST MIGHT BE TOO COOL FOR THAT TOO COOL FOR THAT.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH, UH, FESTIVAL LIGHTS AND LIGHT UP LAKE JACKSON, UH, THEY DID AN EXTRAORDINARY JOB OF PULLING OFF ALL THE EVENTS THAT THEY DID AND, AND KEEPING THINGS MOVING AND GOING FORWARD.
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EFFORT TO WORK.AND I, I THINK PART OF IT IS, UH, UH, THE, JUST THE SHEER, UH, LOVE FOR THE CITY THAT THEY DO THAT.
SO, UH, AGAIN, APPRECIATE ALL THAT HARD WORK.
UH, THE CITIZENS REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK ON HOW THEY DID THE SANTA ON THE FIRE TRUCKS THIS YEAR.
ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THE CRAZY STUFF GOING ON LIKE NEW ORLEANS.
GOT ANYTHING MR. MODESTO? UH, I DO.
UM, TODAY WAS MY 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE CITY.
DID RIA BUY A CAKE FOR YOU? NO.
I, YOU'RE HALFWAY THERE, MODESTO.
I JUST WANTED TO THANK CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PRIVILEGE.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE ONLY HALFWAY DONE.
I'LL GIVE YOU A KISS HALFWAY THERE.
NOTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? NO, SIR.
WE WONDER KNOW HOW MANY YEARS S REALLY? YEAH.
THAT THEY HAD DID CALENDARS ON STONE WHENEVER SAL STARTED HERE.