Jan 07, 2025 Planning Commission

THIS, THERE'S COMMENTS.

ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING TO SPEAK TO THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

NOW IS THE TIME.

UH, IN GENERAL, IF YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, MAKE SURE IT'S, UH, YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

'CAUSE THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING FOR FINAL REVIEW

[4. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN AMENDMENT OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH LOCATED AT 200 LAKE ROAD FILED ON JANUARY 7, 2025 ]

AND ACTION.

ON SITE PLAN, AMENDMENT OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, LOCATED AT 200 LAKE ROAD, FILED ON JANUARY THE SEVENTH, 2025 SOUTH.

SO THIS, HERE WE GO.

IS THE, THE FINAL PLAN THAT WELL, WE'VE SUBMITTED TO KYLE AND NICOLE AND, UH, READY TO GET IT APPROVED.

UH, MAJOR MODIFICATION.

THERE'S REALLY TWO FOR THIS.

ONE IS THE, UH, DRAINAGE SINCE THIS IS, REMEMBER IF YOU REMEMBER TO DRIVEN BY A SUBDIVISION WHERE WE'RE SPLITTING THE PROPERTY BY THREE, UH, THREE ACRES AND SEVEN ACRES.

THE EXISTING DRAINAGE OUTLET FOR OUR PROPERTY, OUR PARKING LOTS AND, UH, DRIVES, IS NOW WILL BE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS FOR CELL.

AND SO WE HAVE A NEW DRAIN, A NEW DITCH SYSTEM, AND AN OUTFALL TO THE, UH, UH, TO, TO THE, UH, VELASCO DRAINAGE DISTRICT CANAL.

THERE.

THIS PLAN HAS, THIS IS THE PLAN THEY GAVE US, AND WE DREW IT UP.

AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD TO ACTUALLY DO IT, WE'LL HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, UH, FROM THE CITY.

AND THEN VDD WILL PUT THE OFFICIAL SIGN OFF OF IT AT THAT TIME.

THIS, THEY CAME UP WITH THE PLAN.

SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S THEIR, THEIR DIRECTION FOR US.

AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE'LL BE ADDING IS, UH, CONTINUATION OF THE SIDEWALK.

OOPS, I'M SORRY.

AND, UH, YOU SEE IT KIND OF WOBBLES AROUND THE REASON FOR THAT THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD TREES IN THE WAY.

AND SO WE'LL NAVIGATE AROUND THE TREES SO THAT WE DON'T UPSET ANY OF THE TREES.

OUR PLAN IS TO DO ALL THAT WORK AT THE SAME TIME, UH, AND, UH, SO THAT WHEN WE GET CONTRACTORS OUT HERE, WE WILL HAVE 'EM DO THE DO DO THE, ARE THERE SIDEWAYS IN THE ADJACENT AREA? NO, YOU WERE VERY GENEROUS AND DIDN'T ALLOW THEM NOT TO HAVE IT.

YEAH, I THINK HE OVERLOOKED IT.

, MAYBE.

WELL, WE APPRECIATE THE, UH, I DON'T THINK I WAS ON IT, .

SO THAT'S, THAT'S OUR PLAN FOR THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN.

ALRIGHT, COOL.

ANYTHING? NOTHING.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

NOTHING.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO ACCEPT FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE SITE PLAN, AMENDMENT OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, LOCATED AT 200 LAKE ROAD, FILED ON JANUARY 7TH, 25.

SAME PROPERTY, LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND? MUCH TO SAY? THERE'S LOTS OF SECOND WE'LL TAKE.

WE ALL AGREE.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? NO.

[5. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH LOCATED AT 200 LAKE ROAD FILED ON JANUARY 7, 2025.]

SO THIS WAS THE PLAN THAT WAS DRAWN UP BY OUR, UH, AIST ARCHITECTURAL, UH, I MEAN THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE.

UH, AND THEY LOOKED AT OF COURSE, TREES AND ALSO, UH, SHRUBBERY AND MEETING ALL THE CODES.

WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF TREES.

UH, THERE ARE SOME TREES IN HERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE.

AND EVEN WITH THAT ELIMINATION, WE STILL HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF TREES.

UH, WE WENT AHEAD AND TOOK OFF SOME TREES THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN WE DO OUR EXPANSION, WE WOULD, THOSE TREES WOULD BE REMOVED.

SO WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST SAID, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE THOSE.

IT'S PROBABLY A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OUT AT LEAST.

UH, AND THEN THERE ARE SOME TREES THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE FROM THE LAST DROUGHT.

WE'RE JUST, THEY'RE BASICALLY DYING.

WE'RE GONNA JUST RE REMOVE THEM.

UH, AND THERE IS ALSO SOME SHRUBS THAT WE NEED TO, UH, INSTALL AT THE HEADS OF THE PARKING LOTS TO MEET CODE THAT'S ON HERE TO DO.

UH, AND THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS WAS OUR IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, EXCUSE

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ME.

OUR, UH, SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, UH, WEREN'T WORKING WELL, AND A LOT OF THE STRU HAD DIED BECAUSE OF THAT.

AND SO WE, UH, WE HIRED A, A SPRINKLER SYSTEM, A GUY OUTTA ANGLETON, AND, UH, THEY, THEY DID A LOT OF WORK.

THEY WENT THERE AND THEY GAVE US AN INVOICE.

THEY DID.

WHOOPS.

THEY DID THREE DAYS WORTH OF WORK AND A LOT OF MONEY LATER.

UH, ALL OF OUR SPRINKLERS ARE NOW WORKING.

ALL THE HEADS ARE WORKING, ALL THE VALVES ARE WORKING, AND THEY'RE TURNED ON AND THEY'RE NOW SPRINKLING ALL THE AIR, ALL WHERE THE SHRUBS ARE GONNA GO.

THEY'RE ON THE EDGE OF THE PARKING LOT AND UP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

ALL THAT'S WORKING NOW.

SO, UH, THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED AND, UH, UH, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE, THERE IS SOME SERVER WE HAVE TO ADD AND THERE'S A PLAN ON THE, ON THE NEXT PAGE THAT SHOWS ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO.

AND, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL GO DO.

HOW THE GUYS ON WE SAT PROVIDED ALL THIS.

BACK THIS A COMPLIMENT FOR SURE.

WELL, EVERYTHING'S WORKING NOW.

OH, OKAY.

WE WILL GET THE RIGHT SHRUBS IN THERE.

SO ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T NO, SIR.

NOTHING.

CAN WE BRING HIM IN TO EDUCATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE? ? NOT ME.

I DIDN'T DRAW THIS .

NO, BUT YOU DEFINITELY, THIS, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, YOU GUYS DEFINITELY CHOSE THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD, UH, GUY THAT THEY BROUGHT IN OUTTA CONROE.

AND HE ALSO WALKED ME AROUND.

AND AFTER THE STORM, THERE WAS SOME TREES THAT NEEDED TO BE TRIMMED AND SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, ALL KINDS, THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT THAN I THOUGHT.

SO THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN FROM IT.

SO THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVE.

ACCEPT FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AMENDMENT OF HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH LOCATED AT 200 LAKE ROAD, FILED ON JANUARY 7TH, 25.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.

SECOND.

WE GOT PLENTY OF SECONDS.

REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN.

AYE.

OPPOSED? THANK YOU SIR.

GOOD JOB.

NOW IT'S, WE GONNA SEE YOU NEXT MONTH.

WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

WE MAY HAVE TO COME TO CHURCH.

WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN COME TO CHURCH.

LOT OF STUFF TO DO.

[6. ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN AMENDMENT OF THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATED AT 333 FM 2004.]

AMENDMENT OF THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATED AT 3 33 FARM TO MARKET, 2004.

HOW'S THE SAME CHURCH IN THE TWO DIFFERENT PLACES? NO ONE'S NEW.

ONE'S NEW ONE'S.

NEW HOPE .

IT'S KINDA LIKE NEW COKE.

WE KNOW HOW THAT WENT.

THERE WE GO.

I'M WITH IT.

NOW.

WHEN YOU'RE WRITING YOUR CHECK, YOU'RE GONNA BE VERY CAREFUL.

UM, THIS IS THE FIRST SITE PLAN FOR, FOR THE NEW NEW HOPE CHURCH.

INTERESTING.

THIS IS, UH, ADMINISTRATIVE, UH, REVIEW OR PRELIMINARY REVIEW.

THEY'LL BE COMING IN LATER.

I MEAN, NEXT, UH, MEETING.

I, I WOULD IMAGINE FOR THE FINAL FILING OF THIS, UH, OF THIS, UH, INSTRUMENT HERE, UH, YOU WANNA CONTINUE ON? WHAT? IT'S THAT YOU, WE'VE CHANGED A LITTLE BIT OF.

WE'VE HAD THE, UH, TOOK OUT THE POOL, PUT SOME, UH, LITTLE BIT OF, UH, PARKING THERE ON THE SIDE.

WE DID ELIMINATE THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE TO THE CONNECTING PROPERTY.

EVERYTHING ELSE PRETTY MUCH STAYS THE SAME AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN.

IT SO HAPPENS, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL REQUIREMENT THERE, THERE'S 167 SPACES FOR THE USE, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY HAVING 242 OR 249 SPACES.

DO YOU REMEMBER? WELL, I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, THE REASON FOR THEM BEING HERE IN THIS, IN THIS CASE IS THAT THEY ARE REPURPOSING THIS PARTICULAR SITE, THE USE FROM WHAT WAS NOW TO A CHURCH.

AND IN DOING SO, IT TRIGGERS THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO, UH, REASSESS THE SITE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND IN THIS CASE, UH, PARKING, UH, PARKING IS ONE OF THE MAIN, UH, MAIN ISSUES THAT WE LOOK OUT FOR.

AND WE ONLY KNEW AT THE VERY GET GO THAT THERE WERE SOME PARKING SPACES THAT WERE NOT IN THE PROPER PLACE.

UH, AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO BE AWARE OF THAT ONE, WHICH THEY BECAME AWARE OF THAT ONE.

THEY TRIED THEN TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, WITHOUT COUNTING THOSE SPACES, THEY WILL STILL MEET THE REQUIREMENT.

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AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE 37 SPACES I BELIEVE THEY ARE.

UH, THAT WERE IN, YOU KNOW, MISPLACED.

34.

UH, I, THEY COULD STILL USE 'EM.

UH, I WOULD IMAGINE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, THE DECISION PROPERTY OWNER WOULD PROBABLY NOT, NOT HAVE ANY, ANY QUALMS ABOUT THEM USING THAT ONE.

SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, FREE GRAD IF, IF THEY WANTED TO.

BUT THEY ARE MAKING THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT ON THEIR OWN SITE.

THAT'S, THAT'S WE AS WE REQUIRE.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ARE MAKING ONE SLIGHT CHANGE.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED THAT HERE IS, THERE'S A POOL AREA RIGHT NOW IN THE FACILITY, AS YOU WELL KNOW.

, WHY YOU LOOKING AT ME? ? UH, AND, UH, THEY ARE, UH, TURNING THAT INTO PARKING SPACE THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT TAKES TO THE BUILDING.

THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE PARKING SPACE.

YEAH, I WOULD IMAGINE.

UH, BUT YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT MAKES, IT MAKES MORE MONEY.

YES, OF COURSE IT DOES.

UH, SO, UH, AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED, THAT REQUIREMENT IS MET, EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINS THE SAME.

THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT'S THERE REMAINS THE SAME.

THERE'S NO CHANGES.

IT'S, EVERYTHING IS DONE BY SURFACE FLOW, UH, TO THEIR, UH, TO THEIR UNDERGROUND SYSTEM AND EVENTUALLY THROUGH THE, THROUGH THE OUTFALLS THAT SERVE THAT PARTICULAR TRACK, WHICH IS THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.

AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S IT, RIGHT? IF YOU, IS THERE A BREAK IN THE BOULEVARD ON Y POND? YES, THERE IS.

AND, UH, AND THE UTILITIES REMAIN THE SAME.

THERE'S NO CHANGE.

THERE'S NO DIFFERENT DEMAND OR ANYTHING, SO THERE'S REALLY NOTHING ELSE.

SO AS FAR AS THOSE TWO ARE CONCERNED, THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM.

THE FARM MARSHAL LOOKED AT THE SITE THERE AND STILL FEELS THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE USE.

AND THERE FIRE PROTECTION REMAINS.

WE'VE GOT WATER HYDRANTS AROUND THERE.

YES, SIR.

YEAH, WE, WE MADE, UH, THE PUT IN.

SHE FOUGHT IT, BUT WE FINALLY CONVINCED HER.

ANYTHING ? OH NO.

WE, IT'S ALSO GOT FENCING I GUESS ALL AROUND, UH, THE FENCING REMAINS.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT BACKS INTO AIRBAGS INTO THAT RESIDE AREA.

AND ALSO ON BUCKY'S ON THE SIDE.

RIGHT.

EVEN THOUGH THAT'S NOT REQUIRED, BECAUSE THOSE, THERE'S GOING OFF A COMMERCIAL.

THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR A FENCE.

I NEED TO COMMERCIAL.

THE BUCKY'S IS, I'M GOOD.

PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION FURTHER OVER? NOT CLOSE.

MOVE TO ACCEPTED ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT OF THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATED AT 3 33 FM 2004.

WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

HAVE A SECOND.

SAME PROPERTY LANDSCAPE PLAN.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, NEXT ITEM.

[7. ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND ACTION ON LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT OF THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATED AT 333 FM 2004.]

I, I ASK, UH, SIGN PROBABLY I WILL, I WILL ASK THE GOAL TO, TO RUN THAT BY.

WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH AND ACCOUNT, YOU CAN SEE THE TABLE HERE, UM, THEY REQUIRED 21 TREES ON THE SITE AND THEY PROVIDE 24 IRRIGATION.

WHICH IS WHAT IT SAYS.

UM, SO THERE ARE SOME COMMENTS THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH WITH THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.

ONE OF THE ITEMS IS, UM, THE REQUEST TO HAVE A CONTINUED VARIANCE FOR THE, UH, SCREENING TREES BECAUSE IT'S UNDERNEATH AN EXISTING OVERHEAD, UH, ELECTRICAL WIRE.

SO IN THE EXISTING CONDITION, IT WAS, UM, PROVIDE, IT WAS AN ALTERNATE FOR THAT.

AND THANK YOU.

ADD A NOTE.

THERE'S NO NOTE ON THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REQUEST IS TO NOT HAVE THE SCREENING TREES UP HERE.

UM,

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WELL, I CAN ANSWER THAT.

I I DIDN'T REMEMBER YOU HAD TREES.

, I HAVE MORE TREES THAN I WAS SUPPOSED TO.

UM, SO THE PERIMETER TREE EXCEPTION, EYES REQUESTED WOULD BE ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WOULD BE REQUESTED FOR THE, THE CHURCH CONTINUING THAT EXCEPTION.

AND I WAS GOING TO PULL UP AN AERIAL AND THEN THIS DIDN'T PUT ME OUT, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW THE OVERHEAD LINES.

YOU CAN'T FOLLOW HER.

YOUR MEMORY'S THE SECOND THING YOU GO, MY MEMORY GOES, YOU CAN SEE THESE, UM, OVERHEAD LINES ALONG TO, UH, 2004 THAT WOULD BE RIGHT IN THE VICINITY TREES THAT WOULD BE PLANTED ON THOSE 30 FOOT MENTS.

AND THEY ALREADY HAVE TREES GOING AND THEY'RE AERIAL EASEMENT.

THEY HAVE THAT 11 AND A HALF FOOT AERIAL EASEMENT COMING TO THE SOUTH WHERE THOSE TREES ARE ALREADY CHANGE ANGLE.

ON THE AERIAL EASEMENT.

YEAH, THE AERIAL EASEMENT.

THE AREA WHICH IS ALREADY ACROSS THE TOP OF THOSE, THE GUYS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE.

I DON'T SEE HOW NOT REQUIRING THE SCREEN TREES.

NO, I DON'T REMEMBER DON TELL CENTER POINT LIKE THAT.

THEY GO OUT THERE AND DO A LITTLE V MM-HMM .

IN, IN 30, 35 YEARS.

I'M COOL WITH THAT.

HERITAGE TREES, YOU CALL EM.

BUT YOU THINK THE RE'S REALLY ESTABLISHED ALREADY.

AND THEY'RE PROPOSING NEW, UH, SCREENING SHRUBS OVER HERE AND SOME NEW ONES OVER HERE BY THESE TRANSFORMERS.

WELL, SOMEONE NEEDS TO PLANT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THOSE TRANSFORMERS.

THOSE REALLY DON'T SERVE ME.

THAT MIGHT BE IN OUR DITCHES THOUGH.

MM.

YOU THINK HARRY? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S .

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS.

IT'S THERE.

BUT, UH, HOWEVER NEW HOPE, GRANTED I THINK FIVE OR SIX SPACES, UH, TO BEAVER FOR WHEN THEY HAVE BIG MANAGEMENT.

UH, SEE, 'CAUSE THERE ON THE LEFT THERE WHERE ALL THE CARS ARE AND THERE IS A SIDEWALK.

THERE IS A SIDEWALK.

MM-HMM.

YES SIR.

WELL, WE WERE TOGETHER FOR A LONG TIME.

IF WE COULD GET IT TO Y POND, WE NO.

IF WE COULD GET IT ALL THE WAY TO LAKE ROAD, WE .

THAT'S FUNNY.

I REMEMBER WE INITIALLY PLANTED 33 OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE HERITAGE, UH, TREES.

RECALL.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

UNLESS MR. HAS NO, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE.

ANYTHING.

SO WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS IF YOU SO HAPPEN TO PROVE THAT CONDITION THERE, THEN THIS WOULD BE THEN FALL UNDER THE, UH, THE THE ALTERNATE LANDSCAPE DESIGNATION.

WHICH WOULD THEN BE CARRIED AT THE FINAL OBJECT.

ANYTHING? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

NO, SIR.

NO, NOTHING.

NOTHING.

MATT, YOU GOT, I MEAN THIS, THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW IS NOT A FINAL, CORRECT? NO.

I I'M STILL THINKING TREES NEED TO BE THERE, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS ON A REVIEW NOW I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS TREE DOWN HERE THOUGH.

NOT THE LINE.

THAT GUY RIGHT THERE, THAT'S OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE.

THAT'S THAT UH, UH IS IT A HUNDRED YARDS COTTON OR A HUNDRED FEET IS A HUNDRED, IS IT, UH, OF, UH, GREEN SPACE? YEAH.

BETWEEN US, WHEN WE WERE BUILDING BOTH OF THE BUILDINGS AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT'S A HUNDRED FEET.

KNOW IF THAT'S A SCRUB TREE OR NOT.

THERE'S, THAT IS BETWEEN US AND NOTHING WAS REALLY BUILT AROUND THE THREE TRANSFORMERS THAT WE HAVE.

AND UH, OF COURSE IN THE BEGINNING WE JUST SHARED PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY GO, WHEN MY VOLUME WAS UP, THEY GO HOME AT, YOU KNOW, 4 35 AND THAT'S WHEN MOST OF MY VOLUME WAS COMING IN.

SO I'M NOT EVEN SURE.

I DON'T

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UHUH.

YEP.

'CAUSE THERE'S SOME BIG OAKS.

YEAH, THAT'S TWO OF 'EM RIGHT THERE.

WE'VE GOT LIVE OAKS, THE TWO IN THE SAME BED, LIVE OAKS OVER HERE.

TWO IN THE SAME BED.

SO YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TREE BEING IN THE PROPERTY AND COUNTED IN THERE.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ONE TO SEE WHETHER THAT IS PART OF THE COUNT.

IT STILL EXCEEDS, SO IT'S OKAY.

IT'S WHAT? IT'S IT'S, THEY STILL EXCEED THE NEEDED COUNTS.

SO YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION NOT REALLY , YOU KNOW, WHAT YOUR CAVEATS ARE.

I MEAN, IF I'M THE ONLY ONE ON THE PANEL, IT KNOW IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T CARRY MUCH WEIGHT.

AND IF WE DON'T NEED TO DO IT, I MEAN, THEY ARE ESTABLISHED SHRUBS.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY THEY'RE NOT, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE EXCUSE TO THE CENTER POINT SIDE OF IT.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING TO PLANT A 15 INCH TREE.

THEY'RE GONNA BE REPLANTING A FOUR INCH TREE OR A THREE INCH TREE OR A TWO INCH TREE.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING THAT'D BE IN CENTER POINT OR PROBABLY ANYBODY ON THIS PANEL'S DOING BEFORE THEY START GETTING CUT UP BY THE UTILITY PEOPLE THE SHRUBS ARE PROVIDING WITH SHIELDING RIGHT.

FROM THE HEADLIGHTS.

SO YEAH.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I COME BACK TO IS, I MEAN, THEY ARE DOING THE JOB THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO.

SO HOW MANY, HOW MANY TREES WOULD BE NECESSARY IN THAT FRONTAGE? THIS TYPE INTO OUR LATER CONVERSATION TOO, BECAUSE ABOUT THAT IT, UM, I DUNNO, THE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MY POND SIDE? THE OPEN IT'S 0.8 ANCHOR? NO, NO, THE HIGHWAY SIDE.

'CAUSE A GIANT OAK FELL DURING ONE OF THE, UM, LAST STORMS ON BEEF LOT THERE.

SO THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE IN MY ENTRANCE AND EXITS.

THOSE ARE BIG OAK TREES.

THEY'RE NICE.

I THINK IT'S THE ANGLE.

THERE WE GO.

13 OR SO, 30.

SO IT'LL BE ABOUT SEVEN TREE, SEVEN TREES.

AND UH, SO THE, I GUESS THE OPTION WOULD BE FOUR ALSO.

THIS ONE SOUND.

OKAY? YEAH.

THAT'S ANOTHER LITTLE BIT THERE.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EIGHT TREES THAT WOULD BE INVOLVED HERE AS A, AS A, AS A BARRIER, AS A, UH, AS A TREE FOR THAT PURPOSE.

NOW WOULD YOU BE OBJECTION TO JUST PUTTING LITTLE, I MEAN SOME UH, CREEK MYRTLES THERE CREEK MYRTLES IN CANADA AS THAT? I AM NOT OPPOSED CRE MYLES AREN'T MY FAVORITE THING TO LOOK AT.

BUT THEY USED TO NOT BE LEGAL.

THEY LIKE THREE, THREE WEEKS A YEAR.

THEY USED TO BE A BUSH.

OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

THEY USED TO BE A BUSH.

OH, THEY LOOK THREE, THREE WEEKS A YEAR IS DOING THE SAME.

THEY'RE UHHUH AND THAT'S IT.

I MEAN, LOW GROWTH, I MEAN THAT'S ALL DEPENDS ON, ON HOW THE PATTERN GOES HERE.

I MEAN, IF THE GOAL IS TO BLOCK THE LIGHT, THE GOAL IS TO BLOCK THE LIGHT.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GIVING THAT ALTERNATE LANDSCAPING PLAN OUT FOR ANY KIND OF REASON BESIDES IT BEING A, I DUNNO.

HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT MAKING A MOTION TO THE FACT THAT SEE IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S AGREEABLE TO POINT THERE ON AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW.

DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION? WE DON'T HAVE TO.

WE, IT'D BE GOOD TO GIVE 'EM DIRECTION THOUGH.

GIVE 'EM DIRECTION.

WHAT'S THE TREE THAT, THAT IS REQUIRED WITHOUT A VARIANCE? THE RULE THREE 30 FEET ALONG THAT.

SO SHRUB, WE KNOW A APPROVED TREE LIST.

BEGINNING TREE OFF THERE.

I DON'T LIKE MAGNOLIAS .

PLANT A MAGNOLIA ON THAT PROPERTY.

OR PINES.

I DON'T LIKE CUTTING BIG OLD LEAF EVERY PLACE.

NO, I IT'S NOT

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MATT, IF YOU COULD MAKE A MOTION WITH THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THEY COME FOR 'EM TO COME BACK WITH IT OKAY.

WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY.

UH, I I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PUTTING THE TREES IN.

THAT WAS SOMETHING DONE BY THE ARCHITECT.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I MEAN, AND, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I I LIKE TREES.

IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY, BUT I'M, I KNOW HE'S WORRIED ABOUT, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S SEVERAL YEARS BEFORE SOMEBODY CUTS 'EM IN HALF.

HEY, I, I'M, I JUST, UH, BE OFFSET ALSO.

AND VISUALLY THEY SHIFT DOWN.

I I I MISSED SOMETHING.

WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BUSHES? NO, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH, BOTH THINGS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TREE TREE, UH, FOR THE SCREENING.

IT HAS TO BE A BRUSH, A LOW BRUSH.

AND ALSO EIGHT TREE WE REMOVED AND THE TREE HAS TO BE A 30 FOOT SPACE LANE ALONG.

SO THEY GAVE AND HOW FEET FAR ACROSS IS THAT? AND THAT'S ABOUT TWO TWO.

IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT, IT'S PROBABLY GONNA TAKE ABOUT EIGHT, EIGHT TO NINE TREES THERE.

WELL, THERE'S SHRUBS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE FENCE.

THE SHRUBS ARE YEAH.

ON YPI.

AND THEY'RE SURE YOU HAVE TO HAVE TO HAVE BOTH SHRUBS AND INJURIES.

THAT'S THE WAY THE ORDINANCE RAISED.

TO BREAK THE, ON A THOROUGHFARE LIKE THAT, ON ANY FRONTAGE PUBLIC TO UP TO A PUBLIC FRONTAGE.

MM-HMM.

AND ON ANY OF THOSE, SUPPOSEDLY IT'S FOR A VISUAL TO BREAK THE, UH, THE, UH, LOOK OF A, OF A PARKING LOT.

BUT THAT, THAT'S 2004 IS ELEVATED COMPARED TO THE PARKING LOT, ISN'T IT? WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THE RULES IF, IF, UH, AND, AND HAVE OR, OR GRANT AN EXCEPTION.

YOU CAN ALSO DO THAT.

YOU COULD GRANT AN EXCEPTION.

TO ME IT'S, THAT IS, THAT IS WHAT HE'S ASKING FOR .

RIGHT? UH, I DON'T SEE IT REALLY HELPS A WHOLE LOT WITH HIGH HEADLIGHTS.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S ASKING.

HE ASKS FOR A SPECIAL ALTERNATE PLAN.

THAT EXCEPTION.

WE ALSO TO THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE BUILDING ACROSS THE HIGHWAY IN THE NEAR FUTURE TOO.

THEY DID WHAT? YEAH.

THE IDEA, THE IDEA OF THE SHRUBS AND THE TREES ISN'T TO DEFLECT JUST WHAT IS THERE IN FRONT OF THE PARKING SPOT, BUT ALSO WHERE THE LIGHTS PROJECTED.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE ACROSS THE HIGHWAY IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

A HUNDRED YARDS OVER THERE.

IN FACT, I THINK IN OUR MASTER PLAN, WE DON'T HAVE RESIDENTS OVER THERE BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE WATER.

IT'S STILL OF ELEVATION.

ACTION FOR ADMINISTRATION REVIEW AND ACTION ON LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE NEW HOPE CHURCH LOCATED AT 3 33 FM 2004 WITH THE CAVEAT OF A POTENTIAL TREE ADDITION TO THE 2004 UTILITY EASEMENT LINE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

OPPOSED? NAY.

MAKE SURE WE GET THAT IN THE MINUTES.

AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN OF ELITE CROSSING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 1 0 6 CENTER WAY FILED ON 1 7 25 AS COMPLETE.

THANK YOU JASON.

ALRIGHT, FINAL REVIEW

[8. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN OF ELITE CROSSING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 106 CENTER WAY FILED ON JANUARY 7, 2025, AS COMPLETE.]

WE HAVE THE HIGH DOLLAR ENGINEER AND THE HIGH DOLLAR ARCHITECT FOR THIS ONE.

OH, THERE HE IS AGAIN.

IT WOKE HIM UP.

BRENT'S A LITTLE SCARED SO I'LL SPEAK ON HIS BEHALF.

YOU ARE SCARED.

NOT AS LONG AS HE'S GONNA STOP.

OH, OKAY.

UM, THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, IT WASN'T A FINAL REVIEW FOR THIS, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, THERE WERE, UH, A LOT OF CHANGES THAT THAT HAPPENED AND I'LL JUST WALK YOU THROUGH MOST OF 'EM.

I WILL SAY ALL THE CHANGES HAVE NICOLE'S STAMP OF APPROVAL, SO, UM, I EXPECT ALL YESES, BUT, UM, IT, I ACTUALLY JUST REALIZED THAT WE DO HAVE ONE MORE UPDATED ONE.

OH, MINE.

IT'S A SITE PLAN, RIGHT? THIS IS A LANDSCAPE PLAN.

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WELL, UM, DATED FOR ONE THREE.

THE SITE PLAN.

THE SITE PLAN IS WHAT'S IN OUR AGENDA.

YOU'RE ON THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW.

UM, I'LL, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH MOST OF THESE.

UH, THE FIRST TALKING POINT WILL BE THE BUILDING.

UM, AFTER WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT CALCULATION WE WERE GONNA DO FOR THE SPACING REQUIRE PARKING SPACES, UH, BRENT AND THE OWNER, UH, DECIDED TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 30 FEET OF BUILDING ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, IN THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN, YOU HAD ABOUT THREE PARKING SPACES HERE.

UH, THOSE WERE REMOVED.

UM, WE ADDED PARKING, THOSE PARKING SPACES DOWN HERE.

UH, IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN WE HAD ABOUT 88 SPACES PROVIDED.

UH, THIS ONE HAS 87, BUT THE REQUIREMENT IS ONLY 75, SO WE'RE STILL IN EXCESS OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENT.

UM, WE ADDED A WALKWAY ON THIS SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND REMOVED THAT LANDSCAPING AREA.

IT WAS ABOUT A FOUR FOOT STRIP OF GRASS THAT'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE HARD TO MAINTAIN FOR THE OWNER.

SO WE ADDED THIS CONCRETE HERE.

WE INCREASED THE LANDSCAPE OF THIS AREA AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE HAD THIS GREASE TRAP INITIALLY PLANNED TO BE RIGHT HERE NEXT TO THE DRIVE THROUGH.

UH, WE ALL KNOW HOW TERRIBLE THOSE THINGS SMELL.

SO WE MOVED IT DOWN HERE AWAY FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH AND THIS GREASE TRAP WILL OUTFALL INTO THIS OLD MANHOLE THAT'S ON THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

ON THE PREVIOUS PLAN WE HAD INITIALLY TIME TO THIS SANITARY MANHOLE.

UH, WE'RE TYING INTO THIS ONE OVER HERE.

UM, THE HOTEL AND, UH, THE OWNER OF THE CROSSING JUST HAVE A VERBAL AGREEMENT ABOUT HAVING A SIDEWALK THAT CONNECTS THE HOTEL TO THE ELITE RETAIL.

UM, SO FAR WHAT THEY HAVE IS ELITE RETAIL WILL PROVIDE THIS SIDEWALK HERE IN THIS WALKWAY TO THEIR BUILDING, BUT THEY WILL JUST BUILD THEIR SIDEWALK HERE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.

UM, THE HOTEL WILL HAVE TO COME BACK AND PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO THERE SO THAT WAY THEIR RENTERS CAN GO, OR NOT RENTERS, BUT UH, THEIR VISITORS COULD GO AND TO LEAVE RETAIL.

UM, THERE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THIS PLAN.

UH, THE DUMPSTER WAS HERE ORIGINALLY.

UM, I KNOW THE PLANNERS HAD TALKED WITH THE, THE ACTUAL, UH, WASTE, UM, OPERATOR AND WE RELOCATED THE DUMPSTER HERE AND IT'S AN EASIER POINT FOR THEM TO ACCESS AND THEY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HAVING THE TRUCK HIT ANY VEHICLES THAT ARE PARKED OVER HERE IN THESE SPACES.

DID THAT MOVE COUNT AGAINST THAT 85, UH, PARKING SPOTS? UM, NO.

WE ARE AT 87.

87.

THE REQUIREMENT IS 75.

SO WE'RE NINE SPACES OVER THE REQUIREMENT.

UH, BY, EVEN BY MOVING THAT, THAT TRASH.

SO, OKAY.

THERE'S TWO SPACES HERE ON THE MOST CURRENT PLAN AND WE REMOVED TWO SPACES THERE.

SO IT WAS A NET ZERO.

I WAS GONNA SUGGEST THAT YOU ELIMINATE THOSE FIVE.

YOU ADDED, JUST TRY TO, YOU GET UP TO 85 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE VERY CONVENIENT PARKING ANYWAY.

AND I HATE TO SEE JUST TOKEN PARKING SPOTS THAT NO ONE'S GONNA USE.

UM, THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER, THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL TALK WITH THE OWNER ABOUT.

UM, THEY CAN SAVE SOME MONEY BY DOING THAT.

UM, I MEAN IF, IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEIR IMPORTANCE IS THEY WANT TO GET TO CONSTRUCTION WHILE WE'RE IN CONSTRUCTION.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE OWNER WANTS TO CHANGE, WE COULD.

SAL, ANYTHING ELSE? UH, ANOTHER THING I DON'T KNOW, UH, HE DIDN'T MENTION THE FACT ORIGINALLY THE, THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WAS AS FAR AS USE WAS FOR A RESTAURANT, WHICH IS STILL THERE.

IF THE OWNER WANTS TO DO AN AMENDMENT, THAT'S FINE WITH ME.

IT JUST, I WOULD THINK WE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE WITHOUT THOSE.

SO, OKAY.

WE BEING ME MAYBE NOBODY ELSE.

, .

UM, THE REASON WHY WE KIND OF CHANGED THIS THIS WAY IS, UM, WHAT'S THE SAFE CONCRETE? UH, ORIGINALLY WE HAD A DRIVE THROUGH AREA HERE WITH A SPACE, ONE SINGLE SPACE HERE AND TWO ON THIS SIDE.

UH, IT WAS, WE SAVED SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE ON CONCRETE JUST BY ROTATING THESE SPACES.

AND WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO GIVE MORE LANDSCAPING AROUND THIS TREE SPECIFICALLY SO IT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVING.

SO,

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BUT, UH, ORIGINALLY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GONNA HAVE OFFICE SPACE.

ONLY THE REMAINING PORTION WOULD'VE BEEN OFFICE SPACE USED.

BUT I BELIEVE NOW AFTER THEY FOUND OUT THAT THE PARKING, UH, PARKING SPACE THAT THEY HAD ALLOWED, THEY CAN ALSO HAVE SOME OTHER TYPE OF, UH, THEY CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF MERCANTILE BUSINESS HAPPENING IN THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE INSTEAD OF JUST OFFICE SPACE.

SO THEY HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY NOW TO HAVE OFFICE OR A SHOP.

UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS USE ALONG WITH THE RESTAURANT.

Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO SALLY, Y'ALL ARE GOOD WITH ALL? I BELIEVE SO NICOLE, HERE'S THE UPDATED PLAN ALSO.

WE JUST HADN'T MOVED IT OVER BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT THIS IS WHAT MIGUEL WAS DESCRIBING, SOME OF THOSE SHIFTS.

YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE SITUATION, THE CHEMICAL? OH, I CAN, YEAH.

THE OAKWOOD PUD HAS A MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS COVER, UM, THAT MIGUEL VERIFIED WHEN HE DESIGNED THIS, THE VERSUS IMPERVIOUS AREA.

UM, AND HE HAS A NOTE ON THE SITE PLAN TO THAT EFFECT.

THERE IS, AS, AS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS WITHIN HEB, THERE ARE SOME SECTIONS THAT OVERLAP WITH THE HEB BOUNDARY.

SO IT WAS HAVE TO BE A GUT CHECK.

SO WE'VE GUT CHECKED IT TO MAKE SURE THAT AREA CLOSEST TO, UM, THE REAR OF HEV THAT'S WITHIN OR NEAR HIS SITE IS STILL WITHIN THAT RIGHT RATIO.

AND THIS WAS ALL BASED ON A STUDY FROM WHEN HEV CAME IN THE IMPACT ANALYSIS.

UM, SO IT, IT'S DEFINED IN THE NOTES HERE WHERE THE NUMBERS COME FROM.

THAT IS THAT, IS IT, UH, YOU, I MEAN THE, UH, THE FIRE PROTECTION PLAN OR THE FIRE SAFETY PLAN WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL AS FAR AS HIS A ACCESS.

UH, AND, UH, AND THE UTILITIES ARE ALSO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED FOR IN, IN THE, IN OUR SYSTEMS THAT THAT SURROUND THE AREA.

ANYTHING ELSE, NICOLE? OKAY.

WE, UH, UH, RECOMMEND A FINAL, UH, REVIEW AND ACTION OF THE SITE, PLAN OF ELITE CROSSING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 1 0 6, UH, CENTER WAY, UH, FILED ON JANUARY 7TH.

WE HAVE A MOTION? DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

HAVE A SECOND.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT.

ALRIGHT, MIGUEL,

[9. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON LANDSCAPE PLAN OF ELITE CROSSING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 106 CENTER WAY FILED ON JANUARY 7, 2025, AS COMPLETE.]

THE NEXT ITEM.

NEXT.

SAME PROPERTY, UH, LANDSCAPE.

UM, WE'RE PROVIDING 16.2%, SO WE ARE MEETING THAT REQUIREMENT.

UH, SO I MIGHT REPEAT SOME STUFF.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING WE HAVE IS A BIT LARGER THAN WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU LAST TIME, BUT THERE WAS SOME TECHNICALITIES OF WHAT WE COULD AND COULD NOT CONSIDER AS LANDSCAPING.

UM, THERE WILL BE A SYNTHETIC TURF AREA HERE THAT, UM, SO FAR THE LATEST FROM THE OWNER IS, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE LIKE A CHESSBOARD AND TIC-TAC TOE AREA FOR, UH, THE PEOPLE WHO VISIT THE RESTAURANT.

UM, WE DO NOT CONSIDER THAT IN OUR CALCULATIONS FOR THE LANDSCAPING.

UM, WE ADDED, LIKE I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE REMOVED THESE THREE PARKING SPACES AND TURNED THIS INTO A LARGE LANDSCAPE AREA.

UH, AND THEN WHAT I HAD SAID ABOUT US ROTATING THE, JUST CHANGING THE ORIENTATION OF THE CONCRETE HERE TO ADD THESE MY SPACES THAT HELPED US MAKE UP FOR ADDING THE LANDSCAPE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SITE.

UM, YOU KNOW, ASAL, UH, MENTIONED, OR NICOLE MENTIONED THERE'S NOT A LANDSCAPE MINIMUM FOR THE SITE IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT IN THE MASTER DRAINAGE REPORT, THERE IS A LIMITATION ON HOW MUCH IMPERVIOUS COVER YOU CAN PUT ON THE SITE.

UH, WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS YOU CAN'T, UH, HAVE LESS THAN 15% LANDSCAPE AREAS FOR, FOR THIS SITE SPECIFICALLY.

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UM, IN TERMS OF TREE PRESERVATION, THE REQUIREMENT IS THAT WE HAVE TO PRESERVE 25 CALIPER INCHES OF TREES.

UM, WE ARE PRESERVING 58 CALIPER INCHES.

UM, GO AHEAD AND SHOW IT.

IT'S FINE.

UM, THIS TREE RIGHT HERE, THIS TREE HERE, AND THIS TREE HERE ARE THOSE THREE TREES THAT PROVIDE THE 58 CALIBER INCHES.

AND IT DID NOT CHANGE FROM THE LAST MEETING FOR THESE TWO SPECIFIC TREES, BUT WE PROVIDED PLENTY OF LANDSCAPE AREA AROUND THEM.

WE PROVIDED THESE LITTLE YARD DRAINS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD, FILL AROUND THOSE TREES.

SO WHEN WE DO GET INTO CONSTRUCTION, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVING A REALLY GOOD CHANCE AT THESE TREES FOR SURVIVAL.

UM, THE FACT THAT WE REMOVED THIS ONE PARKING SPACE THAT WOULD'VE WRAPPED AROUND THIS TREE AND COVERED, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN 50% OF THE ROOT ZONE OF THE TREE, THE, THE FACT THAT WE CHANGED THIS IS GONNA HELP THIS TREE WITH SURVIVAL AS WELL.

ANYTHING ELSE NICOLE? NO.

ANY QUESTIONS? NOTHING JEFF? NOTHING.

I DON'T, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

MATT, ARE WE GONNA HAVE ANY, UH, PROTECTION BARRIERS AROUND THE TREES WE'RE KEEPING? UM, DURING CONSTRUCTION? DURING CONSTRUCTION? LET ME OUR, OUR PLAN TO CALL FOR THAT PROTECTION AND OUR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS.

GOOD.

NOT TO BE MEAN, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT BEFORE AND THEY DIDN'T LIVE UP TO IT.

UNDERSTAND ROGER THAT.

OH, I DID THINK IT'S MOWING.

UH, ARE THESE GRASSY AREAS UNDER THOSE PRESERVED TREES OR IS IT CORRECT? THAT IS GRASS AREA UNDER THOSE TREES.

AND PROBABLY THE OTHER ONE TOO, SO, CORRECT.

ANYTHING ELSE HARRY? NO.

WE HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE FOR FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON LANDSCAPE PLAN OF ELITE CROSSING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT LOCATED AT 1 0 6 CENTER WAY FILED ON JANUARY 7TH, 2025.

WE HAVE MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

FINAL REVIEW IN ACTION ON SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY LOCATED AT 1 31 CAN LANE FIVE ON JANUARY 7TH OF 25.

UH, Y'ALL GUYS HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

[10. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY LOCATED AT 131 CANNA LANE FILED ON JANUARY 7, 2025.]

EXACTLY THE SAME AS WE BROUGHT IT LAST TIME.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED ON IT AT ALL.

UM, WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH THE SEYMOUR.

WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO HAVING THAT CONTRACT.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE WILL BE ANY CHANGES NEEDED FOR THE SITE, SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS AGAIN, IF WE DO CHANGE IT, WE'LL, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.

IF IT IMPACTS THE CIDER LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT WILL BE BACK, BUT EVERYTHING STAYED EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST MONTH.

S OR NICOLE, ANYTHING YOU MAY WANT TO JUST ADD ON, ON THE, THE PARKING ABOUT A, UH, THE PARKING THAT WAS FINALLY SELECTED TO THE DISCIPLINE? YEAH, SO THAT, UH, AGAIN, THAT ANIMAL SHELTER DOESN'T EXIST IN OUR PARKING TABLE.

AND, UH, SO WE USE THE SAME, UH, TABULATION PROCESS THAT THE, UH, SPCA USED.

UM, IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING THERE, WE EXPECT EVEN LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE SPCA BUILDING IN THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN ADOPTION CENTER AND THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ON.

SO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM, SPCA SINCE THEY HAD, UH, MOVED ON THEIR SITE ALREADY, THEY INSTALLED A GOOD PORTION OF THE DRAINAGE DITCH ITSELF.

WE DO NEED TO GO BACK AND INSTALL THE POND.

ALL OF THE UNDERGROUND PIPE WAS CUT AS PART OF THAT COST REDUCTION, UH, PROCESS THAT THE ENGINE ENGINE, THE, UH, ARCHITECT AND THE, UH, CONTRACTOR WENT THROUGH THE SEAMAR.

UM, THEY REMOVED ALL THE UNDERGROUND PIPE TO CUT COSTS.

SO EVERYTHING IS SMALL SWELLS AND ABOVE GROUND DRAINAGE NOW.

OH YEAH, WE GOT NEW.

YEAH, WE

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GOT NEW IMAGERY.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE GO GOOGLE, GO, GO, GO STARTED.

SO WE'VE GOT THE BERM THERE, UH, ON THE EDGE OF THE HILL THAT'S GONNA STOP THE WATER FROM THE HILL GOING TO THOSE SITES NOW.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THAT LARGE DITCH THAT'S CAPTURING THE SITES AND DRAINING THEM TOWARD THE, TOWARDS THE BACK AND EVENTUALLY INTO THAT CLUSTER OF TREES.

THAT'S GOING TO BE THE, UH, DETENTION POND.

WHERE'S THE DETENTION POND? RIGHT THERE.

ANYTHING? OH, LOOKS GOOD.

YEAH, IT LOOKS GOOD.

WHAT GOES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE DETENTION POND? UH, THAT LINE, THERE IS A, UH, IT'S JUST A PILOT CHANNEL DOWN THE CENTER TO HELP IT DRAIN OUT.

SO IT, IT SLOPES DOWN TOWARDS A ALL RIGHT.

IT'S NOT COMPLETELY FLAT COTTON.

THE, THE CLUSTER OF TREES THAT'S, THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE, WHERE THE DETENTION POND IS GOING TO GO.

OR THOSE WILL BE REMOVED OR THEY'LL STAY AN ISLAND.

NO, NO, THEY'LL BE REMOVED.

UH, WE NEEDED ALL OF THAT VOLUME TO OFFSET.

WE'RE TAKING THE SPCA WATER INTO THAT POND THROUGH, ACROSS THIS SITE.

SINCE IT'S ALL CITY PROPERTY ALL THE WAY DOWN, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN DETENTION FOR ALL OF THAT PROPERTY AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

UM, UH, ALL OF THE OTHER TREES, IT'S JUST LIKE THE SPCA SITE.

THEY'RE, WE HAVE TO LIFT UP OUT OF THE SWAMP.

AND SO ALL OF THOSE OTHER TREES IN THERE, EVEN IF THERE WAS A WAY TO PUT ISLANDS AROUND THEM, THEY WOULD BE DEEP WELLS THAT WOULDN'T DRAIN OUT.

AND THEY'D DRUM PRETTY FAST.

ANYTHING ELSE? COTTON? NO.

MAYBE WE CAN SAIL TREES LIKE THAT.

I MEAN I WISH WE COULD IT JUST SO EXPENSIVE TO MOVE AROUND.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION, UH, OF APPROVAL FOR THE, UH, FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION OF THE SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE SITE PLAN AND LANDSCAPE PLAN OF THE LAKE JACKSON ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY LOCATED 1 31 CANADA LANE.

LOCATED FILE ON JANUARY 2ND.

SEVENTH.

EXCUSE ME.

DISCUSSION ITEMS. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERITAGE TREES? AND THAT'S OUR BUSINESS? YES SIR.

WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A.

[11. LANDSCAPING DISCUSSION ITEMS]

THAT'S WHAT THIS ONE IS ABOUT.

THESE WERE THE, UH, THE PRESERVATION TREE CREDITS, HOW WE WOULD, WE WOULD CALCULATE THEM AND SCREENING TREES.

UM, SO WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT TO START WITH? NICOLE? YOU CAN JUST GO THE WAY THAT WE WROTE IT IN THE MEMO.

SO MAYBE FIRST THE CALCULATION FOR THE NUMBER OF TREES.

UM, OKAY, SO OBJECT, , CAN YOU PULL UP, UM, A GOOGLE VIEW THAT NEAR MAP OF, LET'S DO THE NEW HOPE, THE ONE THAT WE, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE, THE LAST ONE THAT SPARKED THIS CONVERSATION BESIDES YEAH, THAT ONE'S FINE.

THEM REPLACING THE SAME LITTLE TWIG OVER AND OVER AND OVER BECAUSE IT KEEPS DYING BEFORE IT GETS ANY SIZE TO IT.

SO, UM, THIS SITE IS A LARGER SITE AND BECAUSE OF THAT SCREENING REQUIREMENT THAT RUNS ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE SITE, IT'S ONLY 200 AND, WHAT'D WE SAY AROUND TWO 80? MM-HMM .

SO WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT NINE SCREENING TREES ACROSS THERE.

ON SOME OF THE SMALLER SITES, THE, THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT, IT'S GONNA HAVE SCREENING ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT SITE.

SO INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING NINE SITES REQUIRED, UH, NINE TREES REQUIRED ACROSS THE FRONT, IT'S GONNA HAVE NINE ACROSS THE FRONT AND IT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE 11 ACROSS THE SIDE.

SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 20 TREES JUST IN SCREENING FOR THAT MUCH SMALLER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAN THIS ONE.

PLUS YOU'VE STILL GOTTA CALCULATE THE GREEN AREA AND FIGURE OUT HOW MANY TREES YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT IN PER 20,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU END UP WITH A SITE LIKE THE TDCU PROPERTY ACROSS THE WAY HERE THAT NEEDED 50 TREES FOR THAT TINY LITTLE SITE BECAUSE THEY WERE ON A LITTLE ISLAND THERE.

UH, WHEREAS A BIGGER SITE, LIKE THE NEW HOPE NEEDS TO AROUND THE SAME NUMBER, BUT IT'S MASSIVE.

AND WE'RE GETTING TO WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING INFILL, WE'RE DOING THESE MUCH SMALLER LOTS AND IT'S BECOMING TO WHERE THE, I DON'T, WE LOOK AT IT AND WE TRY TO GET THEM TO SQUEEZE IN ALL THE TREES THEY CAN, BUT WE JUST DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE OF SQUEEZING IN AN OAK TREE INTO A 30 SQUARE FOOT AREA.

IT'S JUST NOT GONNA SURVIVE.

AND IT'LL JUST BE

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SO, UH, A LOT OF THE ARCHITECTS POINT OUT TO US THAT OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT SAY THAT WE HAVE TO DO TREE SCREENING AND UH, TREE CALCULATIONS BY AREA.

IT, IT KIND OF LEAVES THAT OPEN-ENDED.

SO WHAT THEY ALWAYS TRY TO DO ON THE SMALLER LOTS IS THEY AUTOMATICALLY SAY, OKAY, WELL WE, WE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 50 TREES, BUT WE'VE GOT 11 THAT WE'RE GONNA USE IN THE SCREENING BECAUSE IT, THERE'S A TREE EVERY 30 FOOT.

SO WHAT WE REFER TO IT AS IS DOUBLE DIPPING.

RIGHT? SO THEY'RE TAKING CREDIT FOR SCREENING TREES ON THE TABULATION PORTION.

AND THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION FOR US IS UP TILL NOW WE'VE HELD OUR GROUND AND SAID, OKAY, NO, YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE SCREENING TREES AND AREA TREES AND YOU, YOU CAN'T COMBINE THEM, YOU CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR ONE ON THE OTHER.

THEY'RE COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

SO IF YOU NEED 10 SCREENING TREES AND 20 AREA TREES, YOU'RE PROVIDING 30 TREES.

AND THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH SO MANY TREES AT T-D-E-C-U THAT THEY'RE SQUEEZED THEM INTO NOOKS AND CRANNIES THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL.

AND SO THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS WANT US TO KEEP DOING OR IS THERE SOME KIND OF LEEWAY THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE? UM, AS FAR AS DOUBLE DIPPING GOES, IF, IS THERE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT YOU WOULD ALLOW TO BE USED FROM SCREENING TOWARDS THE AREA COUNT? IS THERE A CERTAIN SIZE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT, THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TOO SMALL TO PROVIDE ALL THAT NUMBER OF TREES AND YOU WOULD ALLOW DOUBLE DIPPING? UM, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU GUYS LAND ON THAT? IS WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW.

DO YOU HAVE A RECOMMENDED SOLUTION? UH, YOU, YOU, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THE REASON WE NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THIS THINGS COME TO US THAT ARE LARGE.

Y'ALL DEALING WITH THINGS THAT ARE SMALL.

WE DON'T SEE THOSE PROBLEMS THE WAY YOU DO.

RIGHT.

YOU GOTTA, SO WE NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT THAT COULD BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD.

I MEAN EVEN FOR START, DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE WAS SUCH A HARD STANCE ON THE NOT BEING ABLE TO DOUBLE DIP? UH, BECAUSE NOBODY AT THE STAFF LEVEL IS WILLING TO GO AGAINST THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS ARE HERE FOR AND WE'RE, WE WON'T MAKE THAT DECISION FOR YOU.

WELL AND BLUNTLY WHEN WE DID ALL THIS, I DON'T, WE WEREN'T THINKING ABOUT THE PROBLEMS WITH SMALL LOTS.

'CAUSE WE DON'T SEE THOSE.

DEVELOPMENTS JUST INFILL.

I MEAN, CLEARLY IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A PROPERTY A SMALL LOT AND LITERALLY LAKE JACKSON, ALL WE HAVE LEFT ARE GOING TO BE SMALL.

THAT'S RIGHT.

WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO MAKE IT WHERE IT'S DOABLE.

AND, UH, VDD HAD THE SAME ISSUE WITH DRAINAGE.

YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY THE UH, 10 YEAR, 10 YEAR DETENTION REQUIREMENT MM-HMM .

ON ALL OF THE DEVELOPED PROPERTY.

UH, WELL WHEN PEOPLE STARTED COMING IN WITH ONE AND A HALF, TWO ACRE LOTS, UH, TRYING TO SQUEEZE IN 10 YEARS DETENTION PONDS ON THOSE TINY LOTS, YOU DON'T HAVE VERY MUCH DEVELOPABLE LEFT.

SO THEY ACTUALLY RELAXED THEIR REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE SMALLER LOTS AND, AND THEY ALLOW US TO DO A LOT OR THEY ACCEPT A LOT LESS FOR THOSE SMALLER LOTS BECAUSE OF THAT.

BECAUSE THEY REALIZE THOSE LOTS CAN'T DO WHAT THEY'RE ASKING AND STILL BE DEVELOPABLE.

UM, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TO DOUBLE DIP ON ANYTHING.

AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I FIRST STARTED REVIEWING PLANS AND UH, YOU KNOW, AND GIVING REPORTS OUT THERE, A LOT OF TIMES I TOOK LIBERTY WAS JUST DOUBLE DIPPING.

ACRE MINIMUM AND ALLOW SAL TO, OR WELL SAL REVIEWS THE LANDSCAPING SIDE.

YOU KNOW, UH, AND I, I'VE NEVER EVEN BROUGHT THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

THEY SAID THEY MEET THE NUMBER OF TREES THAT ARE CALLED FOR BY THE AREA.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY BE ON THE PERIMETER OR WHETHER THEY BE INSIDE, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, SO I DID A LOT OF THOSE THINGS JUST, YOU KNOW, OUTTA COMMON SENSE AND, AND THAT WAS IT.

BUT WHEN WE HAD YOUNG, UH, YOUNGER ENGINEERS WITH, I MEAN STICK TO THE, TO THE OH TO THE LETTER OF THE LAW, I, WHAT'S THE RULE? YEAH.

I MEAN, DON'T WANNA BE FAIR.

THEY, THEY WOULD QUIZ ME ABOUT THAT ONE AND I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTEP BEHIND YOU.

AND I SAID, YEAH, JUST, WE'LL DOUBLE JUST SIMPLE DOUBLE-DIPPING FIX, COMPLETELY FIX THE PROBLEM.

SO ON THE SMALLER, SMALLER, THERE MORE THAT DON'T COME TO YOU.

UH, SAL AND THE BUILDING OFFICIAL ARE BASICALLY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO GIVE CERTAIN VARIANCES.

THEY CAN'T GET TOO CARRIED AWAY WITH IT AND VIOLATE, I THINK THE PLANNING COMMISSION INTENDS, UM, SO LIKE YOU SAID, THEY TOOK LIBERTIES AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WELL ON THE SMALLER LOT IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO PUT 60 TREES.

SO WE'LL LET 'EM DOUBLE DIP ON THOSE SMALLER LOTS.

AND MAYBE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS JUST GO BACK TO THE TWO YEAR, TWO

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SO ALLOW SAL TO, TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION ON ANYTHING THAT'S TWO ACRES OR SMALLER ENGINEER ENGINEERING ENGINEERING ENGINEERING.

NOT, BUT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN TWO ACRES.

UH, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO STICK TO THE INTERPRETATION THAT THOSE TWO ARE SEPARATE, THEN ALL WE NEED TO KNOW, ALL WE NEED TO HEAR IS THAT, THAT IT'S THE INTENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IS THERE, IS THERE ANY ISSUE ON THE TWO ACRE AND MOORES THAT THERE HAVE BEEN? I I WOULD SAY PROBABLY ABOUT HALF THE ONES WE RECEIVE, THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS INTERPRETS IT ONE WAY AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THEY'RE GOING TO INTERPRET AND WHICH BATTLE YOU'RE GOING TO FIGHT BECAUSE IT'S NOT EXPLICIT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU CAN OR CANNOT.

SO IF WE SAY YOU CAN DOUBLE DIP ON YOUR TWO ACRES OR LESS, BUT TWO ACRES OR MORE, YOU CAN'T WITHOUT OUR APPROVAL, DOES THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM? UH, THAT GIVES US, UH, DIRECTION THAT'S ALL WE NEED IS DIRECTION.

THAT SOUND GOOD TO EVERYBODY HERE? YEAH.

WHAT ABOUT IF WE ALLOW, DON'T REQUIRE DOUBLE DIPPING ON ANY SIZE.

DON'T ALLOW IT ON ANY SIZE PROPERTY.

DON'T REQUIRE IT.

DON'T REQUIRE THE DOUBLE DIPPING.

WELL THEY'RE NOT REQUIRING DOUBLE DIPPING.

THAT WAS AN OPTION THEY WERE GIVING THEM TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

ALLOW IT IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING, THEY WERE ALLOWING TO DOUBLE.

THEY DON'T HAVE A SEPARATE COUNT FOR THE UH, AH, DON'T PERIMETERS NOT DOUBLE DIP, JUST HAVE A COUNT OF TREES AND LET THEM USE IT.

UM, WHICH IS YEAH.

THE ARGUMENT THAT HALF THE ARCHITECTURE CORRECT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RUN INTO.

SO THIS SAYS THE NUMBER OF TREES, THE SITE SPELLS IT OUT.

SO, UM, I GUESS, I GUESS REAL QUESTION, DOES DOUBLE DIPPING ON TWO ACRES OR MORE CAUSE A PROBLEM, DOES THAT MAKE TWO FEWER TREES? EXACTLY.

THAT'S YEAH.

WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT.

SO IT CAN CAN'T BACK.

IT CAN POSSIBLY TWO ACRES OR MORE.

LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, WE CAN MAKE THE DECISION ON IT ON THE OTHERS.

SO WE'LL JUST HOLD FIRM AT AT TWO SEPARATE TREE PRE REQUIREMENTS AND WE'LL HOLD THEM TO THAT.

AND IF THEY INSIST ON ANYTHING LESS, THEY'LL COME TO YOU FOR AN ALTERNATE APPROVAL.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AND TRYING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE SECTION BECAUSE IT'S NOT WELL WRITTEN.

THAT'S THE AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE LOOK AT AS A CHANGE AND TALK WITH SHERRY, THIS THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT PRESENTING YES.

TO CHANGE THAT TO WHERE YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD REQUIRE.

WE DON'T HAVE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS INTERPRETING THINGS THAT BENEFIT.

WE JUST NEED IT TO BE IT NEEDS TO BE UNIFORM.

I'VE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT YOU HAVE A BIG PROJECT AND ALL YOUR TREES ARE OUTTA SIGHT JUST ON THE FAR END OF THE LOT, BUT THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS .

AND THE SCREENING FORCES THEM TO HAVE THEM RIGHT UP FRONT WHERE YEAH.

THEY CAN'T HIDE 'EM AT ALL.

THEY HAVE TO HAVE 'EM IF WE REQUIRE 'EM IN THE SCREENING.

OKAY, SO WE GOOD WITH THAT DIRECTION? YES SIR.

LET THEM LESS THAN TWO ACRES, SHE CAN DOUBLE DIP.

UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO ACTUALLY SET, UH, SET UP SOME TYPE OF A, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE.

WELL THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT.

WE CAN DO THIS FOR IMMEDIATE GUIDANCE.

WHEN IT'S TRANSPLANTED TO A SITE? OR DO YOU WANT TO STICK WITH NO, IT'S JUST GOTTA BE SOMETHING, UH, NATURAL THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THE SITE WAS EVER DEVELOPED.

BUT LIKE EDDIE SAID, LET'S, AND JEFF SAID, AND THEN THIS, OKAY, LET'S ADD A REVIEW TO CLEAN UP THE ORDINANCE AT SOME POINT.

BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS GETS Y'ALL GOING.

WE'VE DONE MANY TIMES.

WELL WE, YEAH.

WHAT WAS THE OTHER ITEM? SO THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FIRST HALF YOU GAVE US DIRECTION ON THAT.

WE'RE GOOD ON THAT.

WE CAN, THAT HELPS US A HUNDRED PERCENT.

UH, THE SECOND ITEM IS, UH, PROTECTED TREES.

SO WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THE CITY'S OLD ENOUGH TO WHERE THE ORIGINALLY TRANSPLANTED TREES ARE NOW BIG ENOUGH TO BE CONSIDERED BY DEFINITION A PRE A POTENTIAL PRESERVATION TREE OTHER THAN IT'S NOT NATURAL.

IT DIDN'T GROW IN THAT SPOT.

IT WAS TRANSPLANTED THERE.

SO WHAT WE'RE RUNNING INTO IS, UH, PLACES LIKE THE OTHER CHURCH, THE HOPE FELLOWSHIP CHURCH, WHERE THE TREES WERE PLANTED SO LONG AGO THAT THE OAKS ARE NOW, YOU KNOW, 12 INCH OAKS AND THEY'RE GETTING BIGGER.

UH, THAT SUGAR BERRY WAS MASSIVE, WHATEVER THAT WAS.

UH, BUT ANYWAYS, THE TREES ARE GETTING LARGER AND THIS PARTICULAR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT READ THE, READ THE, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PRESERVE ALL OF THESE LIVE OAKS BECAUSE THERE'S A 21 INCH DIAMETER, THERE'S A 14 INCH DIAMETER, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES IT TO BE EIGHT INCHES OR LARGER.

SO A LOT OF THOSE LIVE OAKS FALL INTO THAT PRESERVATION.

SO BY HIS TALLY, HE HAD 170 SOMETHING TREES ON THE SITE INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING THEM INDEPENDENTLY.

AND WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ALLOWING 'EM TO, TO DO THAT BECAUSE ALL OF THOSE TREES, BY DEFINITION ARE TRANSPLANTED AND THEY'RE NOT NATURAL TREES.

SO AT WHAT POINT DO THEY BECOME NATURAL? UH, BECAUSE ALL THE TREES HAVE TO GET HERE SOME KIND OF WAY.

AT WHAT POINT DO THEY BECOME NATURAL? UH, IS IT YOU GUYS WANT TO GO BY A CERTAIN SIZE AND SAY AFTER A TREE REACHES A CERTAIN DIAMETER IT CAN BE PRESERVED, UH,

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I IT WAS SAL'S IDEA WHAT HE SAID ABOUT COMMON SENSE A A TREE.

WE DON'T KEEP A HISTORY OF THEM.

SO OTHER THAN PEOPLE KNOWING THAT THOSE WERE YEAH.

PLANTED BY HUMAN, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THE WAY IT'S DEFINED, SAYING THAT IT WAS ON AN APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN AS BEING THERE IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.

IT'S IN OUR DEFINITION IN OUR ORDINANCE.

SO IT'S ONLY THE ONES THAT LIKE THE REDEVELOPMENT, LIKE THIS CHURCH FOR INSTANCE, THEY'VE GOT A RECORD OF BACK WHEN THEY ACTUALLY INSTALLED THOSE TREES.

AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE.

THESE WERE PUT HERE ON A, ON A, ON AN APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

SO THEY DON'T QUALIFY TO BE A PRESERVATION IN MY MIND.

THEY OUGHT TO GET BONUS POINTS 'CAUSE THEY KEPT IT ALIVE ENOUGH TO GROW.

SO IT'S, I THAT'S IT IS IMPRESSIVE .

A LOT OF THOSE TREES DON'T MAKE IT VERY LONG AT ALL.

SAME IF THE KEY IS THE SIZE AND NOT THE TERM HERITAGE AND YEAH.

THAT SIZE OR AGE.

SO WHAT DO Y'ALL NEED FROM US? WELL, AGE, YOU DON'T KNOW.

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT KIND OF TREE AND WELL, EXACTLY.

EXACTLY.

BUT WHAT DO YOU, WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM HER? WELL, NICOLE WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION.

, SHE'S GOT ALL THE ANSWERS.

UM, JUST WHETHER THAT PROTECTED TREE DEFINITION UP HERE CAN BE INTERPRETED IN A WAY THAT IT COULD INCLUDE TREES THAT ARE PREVIOUSLY PLANTED.

AND IF SO, IF THERE'S SPECIFIC ONES, I'M ASSUMING OAK, BUT GOOD OAK TREES.

IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC SPECIES THAT ARE OLDER THAT WE COULD ACCEPT, UM, THIS SECTION WHERE IT HAS THE TREE CREDITS, THIS IS FOR AN UNDEVELOPED GREENFIELD SITE AND THEY START AT FIVE INCHES AND YOU CAN GET TWO, BASICALLY TWO TREES FOR SAVING A TINY LITTLE TREE.

SO YOUR TREE COUNT COULD JUMP FROM 40 TO A HUNDRED SOMETHING DEPENDING ON HOW YOU INTERPRET THIS PIECE.

UH, SO YEAH, SIZE SPECIES, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SOMETHING CONSIDER.

SO THIS WOULD INVOLVE AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO ACCOMMODATE MM-HMM .

SO ELIMINATE THE EXISTING, UH, NECESSARY, UH, COMPARISON.

THE EXTRA CREDITS.

JUST A TREE IS A TREE.

THIS I WORRY MORE ABOUT THE ELEVATION, THE TREE.

NOT, YOU CAN'T GET ALL THESE EXTRA CREDITS FOR, UM, TREES THAT ARE BIGGER IF YOU PLANTED THEM.

BUT THAT'S THE QUESTION THAT'S COME UP A FEW TIMES.

CAN YOU PIN US AN AMENDMENT? RIGHT? IF AN AMENDMENT THAT YOU THINK IS PROBABLY SHERRY WE GO IN THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN WELL WE, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITH SHERRY, WORK WITH SHERRY AND I THINK DO IT BASED ON SIZE OF JUST SIZE OF LIVING, TREE SIZE AND, UH, SPECIES.

UM, OKAY.

SO IF WE WERE TO AMEND IT AND, AND REMOVE THAT VERBIAGE ABOUT THE, UH, THE TREE HAVING TO BE THERE BEFOREHAND AND NOT BEING ABLE TO BE ON A PREVIOUS LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE SIZE THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE AFTER ON THAT PORTION WOULD BE WHAT SIZE TREE? WHAT SIZE, TRUNK DIAMETER YOU RECOMMEND? UM, WHAT DO YOU THINK NICOLE? I MEAN, I BE ABLE TO HUG IT.

SO GO TO YOUR TREE CREDITS DOWN THERE AND GET YOUR HANDS READY.

SO ON YOUR TREE CREDITS, YOU KNOW, 12 INCH DIAMETER, SO WE'RE IN THE 15 TO 30 OR THE NINE TO 15 WHERE YOU GUYS COME FROM? I WOULD SAY SAME.

LIKE IT DEPENDS ON THE KIND OF TREE.

BECAUSE I MEAN OUR, THE ASHES ARE GONNA THROW OUT MUCH LARGER THAN ANY KIND OF OAK OR CORNWELL.

I'VE GOT A CYPRESS TREE IN MY BACKYARD AND THE KIDS PLANTED IT WHEN THEY WERE IN THE THIRD GRADE.

IT'S THAT SIZE AND THEY'RE 51.

OH WOW.

SO WE'RE NOT GONNA GIVE YOU ANY CREDIT FOR THAT ONE.

HARRY DON'T TRY TO DEVELOP, I I I THINK THE SIZE SHOULD BE PARTIALLY DETERMINED BY THE TYPE OF TREES, THE TYPE OF TREES, THE SPECIES.

SO WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS, UH, SOME OF THE TRASH TREES GROW BIGGER TRUNK.

YEAH, MUCH FASTER.

AND LIKE I'M SAYING A OAK NINE AND A HALF, 15.

BUT SOME OF THE OTHER TREES, I THINK WE'D HAVE TO, SO, SO, AND I'M NOT AN ARBORIST, YOU'D ALMOST HAVE TO THE SIZE COMPARED TO OUR TREE LIST.

CAN YOU PULL UP THE TREE LIST? YEAH.

THE LARGE TREES ON THE TREE LIST.

SO WE'RE GOOD WITH ALL OF THESE TREES.

TERM SIZE IS THE QUESTION.

SO IF WE'RE GOOD WITH ALL OF THESE TREES, WELL, THE

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LARGE, LARGE , I DON'T KNOW, LOW, SORRY.

LARGE, LARGE TREE.

THE GREEN ASH WOULD BE DEFINITELY BE ONE OF THE ONES THAT, I MEAN I WOULD THINK THE MA HUGE MULBERRIES, MULBERRIES, PIN OAKS, SWEET GUMS, SYCAMORES.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE REST OF THOSE.

I MEAN IT'S, IT'S OAKS.

IT'S OAKS, PECANS AND OAKS.

PECANS AND MAPLES THAT GROW SLOW DOWN HERE.

WE DON'T, WE DON'T GAIN THREE OR FOUR INCHES A YEAR UNLESS WE'RE HYDROPONICALLY GROWING THEM.

THOSE ASH, THE SWEET GUMS, THOSE OTHER GUYS, I MEAN WE GOT PROPERTY CROSSED THE WAY THAT YOU GUYS SO NICELY TOOK THE HOUSE DOWN AFTER 20 YEARS, IT HADN'T BEEN MOWED IN SIX MONTHS AND IT'S GOT A THREE INCH AS TREE YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, THAT OAK WOULDN'T EVEN BE PAST PENCIL, PENCIL SIZE BY NOW.

SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? UH, HOW WE RATE THE TREES.

UH, YEAH.

NOW IF WE NEED A LIST OF SPECIES AND MINIMUM SIZE THAT WE WOULD BE HAPPY WITH MINIMUM SIZE, CORRECT.

THAT'S THAT WE WANNA RETAIN, WE GIVE TO GIVE THE CREDIT THAT WOULD PROTECTED WHERE THEY COULD, THEY CAN GET THE, THE CREDIT FOR IT.

THE CREDIT TWO TREE, MAYBE SIX TREES, WHATEVER WE DECIDE.

AND THIS IS FOR EXISTING TREES? WELL THIS IS FOR TREES THAT EXIST, BUT THEY WERE BROUGHT IN ON THE EARTH.

WERE YEAH, THEY WERE BROUGHT IN.

THEY WEREN'T.

WELL I, THEY BROUGHT IN I DON'T THINK IS KEY, JUST, UH, THE SIZE.

WELL THE, THAT'S THE PART OF THE DEFINITION IS WHAT MAKES THAT THE KEY.

WELL THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA CHANGE.

WELL YEAH, THAT, THAT'S CORRECT.

UH, SO YEAH, FIRST WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

BUT THEN IF WE GO BACK TO SIZE, IT'S THE SPECIES OF THE TREE SPECIES, SPECIES OF THE TREE.

MATT'S RESERVATION WAS SO HE DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, WE COULD TALK TO SOMEBODY ABOUT LANDSCAPING, UH, TO RATE THE TREES NECESSARILY, OR AS FAR AS THE, A MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE.

I BET I COULD GET JOHN GROVE IN HERE FOR AN EVENING INSTEAD OF THE SIZE NOT BEING JUST L JUST RIGHT.

JUST ASK AI AND GET YOU WHATEVER.

IT'S, HE'LL TELL ME ALL THE CHINA BERRY TREES.

SO SHORT ANSWER IS WE WANT TO GIVE 'EM CREDIT FOR THAT, BUT WE CAN DEFINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA CREDIT FOR.

SO WE NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO DEFINE THAT.

ANOTHER ASTERISK THOUGH, A LEANING TREE IS DIFFERENT THAN A STRAIGHT TREE.

THAT IS NOT ABOUT THE GROWTH, BUT THE UH, CHANCE OF KEEPING IT.

AND WANTING IT.

WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT HEALTHY IN THERE TOO.

SO CAN Y'ALL GET THIS, THAT INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING? UH, OR WHENEVER SHERRY CAN OR BEYOND ? MAYBE ONE MORE MEETING, BUT WE'LL WORK ON IT.

SPECIES COORDINATING DIAMETER AND HEALTH.

WHEN WE, WHEN WE START WRITING ORDINANCES AND THINGS, IT HAS TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND TO MAKE SURE THAT, LET'S START THAT PROCESS THEN.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR TWO? UH, WHAT WAS THE LAST? I THINK IT DOES, YEAH, YOU WANTED TO SEE SPECIES.

AND HEALTH.

HEALTH.

THERE YOU GO.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

THOSE, THOSE ASHES, THOSE THINGS CAN TAKE A FRICKING TRUCK TO THE DOME AND KEEP GOING.

THAT GIVES US DIRECTION.

THAT LETS US KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.

GETTING PAID AND IF YOU GOTTA KEEP DEALING WITH IT SOLO MIGHT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, HAND IT OFF, SLOUGH IT OFF SLOUGH TO US.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO, I THINK THAT'S IT.

YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? THINK THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH THAT, THAT GETS US STARTED IN A, IN, IN A DIRECTION.

SO, UM, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THAT ORDINANCE ON THE SCREEN TREES AND THE PER AREA TREES FOR NOW.

YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE TWO ACRES AND LESS SITES.

DOUBLE DIPPING THE LARGER NEED TO COME HERE.

AND THEN YOU MAKE A DEFINITION.

WHO SETS THE RULES? THE TWO ACRES OR LESS? SO THE TWO ACRES OR LESS FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES.

THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S BY US.

BY THE CITY, NOT BY THE STATE.

NO, NO, NO, NO.

IT'S BY US.

YEAH, IT'S BY CITY COUNCIL.

SO IF, IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE GETTING TO SMALL POCKET PROPERTIES FROM NOW ON, WHY AREN'T WE TRYING TO INCLUDE SMALLER PROPERTIES BUT COME FORWARD OF US TO, TO HERE? YEAH.

SOMETIMES WE DO.

SO THEY, SO YEAH.

SO WHEN THEY WANT A VARIANCE AND THEY WANT A VARIANCE, YEAH, WE'LL PUSH THAT TO YOU.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ANYWAY NO MATTER WHAT.

I'M JUST, I MEAN, JUST, JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY.

I MEAN, IF, IF, I MEAN WE ARE RENTING OUT OF LARGER PROPERTY.

YOU GUYS GONNA, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

WE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE LIKE THE, THE LIBRARY COMMISSION AND MEET EVERY NINE MONTHS.

QUARTERLY .

I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, UH, I GUESS WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING IT.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE, YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES

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THE FREEBIES, I'M SURE THEY LIKE DOING IT IN THE OFFICE AND THEN COMING UP HERE TO DO IT AGAIN.

THAT LITERALLY IS GOVERNMENT AT ITS WORST CREATING A REASON TO MEET I I BUT TO PRESERVE OUR BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TOWN THAT ONCE WHEN WE HIT 30,000 PEOPLE, WE LOSE HOW MUCH TAX FUNDING FROM THE STATE WAS IT AGAIN? LIKE 60%.

AND THEN WE HAVE NO LAND TO CLEAN UP THE REST OF THAT.

SO I THINK BEING A LITTLE BIT P TRICKIER ABOUT WHAT WE DO WITH THE SMALL LOTS MAKE, SEE HOW MUCH PIER WE HAVE HAVE TO BE AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION'S OVER.

IT CAN BE THAT MUCH FUNNER TOO.

LET US LOOK AT, UH, THE AMOUNT.

UM, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME HERE, THEY CAN GET PERMITS FOR RENOVATING THESE SMALLER LITTLE, YOU KNOW, STANDALONE BUSINESSES AND THINGS.

SO THERE ARE QUITE A FEW THAT COME THROUGH FOR PERMITS WHERE WE DON'T MAKE THEM COME IN HERE TO DO A FULL SITE PLAN.

IT IS EXPENSIVE FOR THEM.

I MEAN, DON'T FORGET, THEY GOTTA PAY A, AN ENGINEER, ARCHITECT, UM, TO DO THAT WORK.

SO WITH THESE LARGER SITES, THEY'RE SPENDING MEGA BUCKS.

SO THIS IS NOTHING TO THEM.

WITH THE SMALLER SITES, ANYTIME THEY WANT TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT, IF THEY, UH, IF WE SUSPECT THAT THEIR LANDSCAPE HAS DISSIPATED OR IT DIDN'T MEET TO START WITH, WE START FORCING THAT DOWN THEIR THROATS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE TO DO.

SO LET US GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WE WILL SEE IF THAT IS A BURDEN WE, WE, WE FEEL COMFORTABLE PUTTING ON YOU.

'CAUSE THAT IS QUITE A BIT, MAN.

IT IT, EVERY PERMIT THAT COMES ACROSS, I'M NOT SAYING, HEY, LET'S JUST DROP IT ALL AND EVERY SOB COME HERE.

BUT YEAH, TWO, I MEAN TWO ACRES, 90, 92,000 SQUARE FEET IS QUITE A BIT OF PROPERTY IN THIS TOWN NOW.

EVEN ONE ACRE, 43 THOU OR 40, WHATEVER IT IS, I MEAN THREE, 3000, 500, FIVE MONTHS.

BUT IT'S NOT, THERE YOU GO.

AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, IT'S ALL OF THE REDEVELOPMENTS, ALL OF THE BUILDING.

NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

SO IT IS ALL JUST, THAT WOULD SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS, I WOULD THINK IMMENSELY.

IT WOULD SLOW DOWN THEIR PROCESS FOR, FOR RENOVATIONS, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM .

RESTORATIONS, WHICH IS THE OTHER THING THAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO.

WE WANT TO GET THESE, KEEP THESE BUILDINGS LOOKING NICE.

SO WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO KILL THAT PROCESS EITHER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE'LL REVIEW IT THOUGH AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THE, ON THAT.

UM, BUT WE'LL PUT THAT DOWN.

WE HAVE TO RUN THAT BY ADMINISTRATION.

ADMINISTRATION GONNA, ARE THEY, IS THE COUNCIL GONNA BE WILLING TO TACKLE STUFF LIKE THAT? THAT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FROM COUNCIL.

SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM BEFORE WE COULD EVEN GET BACK TO YOU.

BUT WE'LL CHECK ON THAT PORTION AS WELL.

I'M A HARDEN.

UH, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS TO REVIEW THE ORDINANCE.

YOU WANNA RUN THAT BY ADMINISTRATION TO AMEND THE MR HARD, I'LL PICK MY VOCALITY UH, PRESERVATION TREE DEFINITION, UH, AND THEN GET BACK TO YOU ON, UH, TREE TYPES AND DIFFERENT SIZES THAT ARE POTENTIAL THAT WE FEEL COULD POTENTIALLY BE WORTH PRESERVING AND GIVING CREDIT FOR.

SO, D DOES EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION INSIDE THIS ROOM UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY WE LOSE WHEN WE CROSS 30,000 PEOPLE BY A FEDERAL CENSUS FROM TAX, TAX REVENUE FROM THE STATE? IT'S ALMOST 60%.

WHEN WE CROSS 30,000 PEOPLE WITHIN A 10 YEAR SPAN.

AFTER THAT, WE LOSE ALMOST 60% OF OUR TAX REVENUE FROM THE STATE.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

AND WE'RE THAT CLOSE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE HOW MUCH LAND LEFT? WE DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE WHERE THE LAND LEFT.

UH, IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT DEVELOPS.

YOU'RE, YOU'RE, BUT I MEAN, WE CLOSE AT, AT THE, AT THE BEST.

40,000.

44,000.

IF WE PUT ALL ZERO PROPERTY LINES IN APARTMENTS, FOUR STORIES HIGH.

AND WE AIN'T COLLECTING TAX FROM EVERYTHING, RIGHT? UM, YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REEVALUATE.

YOU'RE CORRECT.

WE'RE GONNA LOSE TAX MONEY.

UM, FORTUNATELY A LOT OF OUR SALES TAX STUFF IS WHAT, WHAT KEEPS US RUNNING.

AND, UM, OH YEAH, I AGREE.

BUT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REEVALUATE THE WAY EVERYTHING IN THE CITY WORKS.

UM, FORTUNATELY WITH THAT, WE, WE ALSO GET SOME, SOME LIBERTIES WITH, UM, UH, NO, IT'S, IT'S A CATCH FOR TAXATION.

RIGHT? IT'S GOOD, GOOD AND BAD GOING OVER THAT LINE.

DID YOU HEAR THAT? UH, MS. I DID.

TAXES, WOULD YOU PLEASE BREAK THAT UP? TAXES YOU, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU USE, YOU LOSE A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE FROM THE STATE ONCE A CITY CROSSES OVER 30,000 OVER A 10 YEAR PLANE AFTER A FEDERAL CENSUS, AND WE ARE ON THE BRIM OF THAT.

IF WE HIT 30,001 IN 2030, WE, WE WILL SLOWLY LOSE OVER A 10 YEAR PLANE THAT MUCH MONEY.

I MEAN THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE, WHICH IS 60, 60% OF OUR, THAT'S, THAT'S, I MEAN THAT'S A, IT'S A CHUNK OF CASH AND IT'S NOT THE FIRST YEAR.

IT'S, IT'S A PLANE DOWN, BUT RIGHT.

I WATCHED WHEN I WAS STILL PRACTICING, I WATCHED PARA LAND AND SUGAR LAND WHAT THEY HAD TO DO AND THEY SOLD THEIR SOULS AND WE DON'T HAVE LAND TO SELL OUR SOUL TO.

BESIDES THE ZERO PROPERTY LINE OVER HERE.

BUT THE ISD TRUST, IT WON'T, IT WON'T.

AND WE SAT PLEASE.

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BISD ENROLLMENT HAS BEEN GOING DOWN THE LAST THREE YEARS, SO THERE'S NO IDEA THIS POPULATION'S REALLY GROWING.

WHAT, WHAT'D YOU SAY? DON'T APPROVE.

WHAT? ZERO LOT LINE COMES.

THEY'RE TERRIBLE.

OH, IT'S, WELL THIS ONE WHO LIVES IN ONE, I BEG TO DISAGREE.

WELL, I, YOU CAN COME OVER AND SEE IT.

IT'S PRETTY AWESOME.

AND AS YOU LOOK, AS YOU LOOK AT IT, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF AFFORDABILITY OF HOUSING.

RIGHT.

AND FOR THE OPTIONS, IF WE DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF FREESTANDING APARTMENT TYPE HOMES YEAH.

PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOW, YOU KNOW, ADUS, I HATE THAT THOUGHT, BUT THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE MORE HOMES ON SMALLER LOTS.

I DRIVE DOWN TIMBER CREEK ON MY WAY HOME AND I THINK THOSE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND THOSE BEAUTIFUL LOTS AND ALL THAT, THAT'S WASTED SPACE .

AND WE NEED PLACES FOR BEAUTIFUL HOMES THAT IF YOU TOOK ONE OF THOSE 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES IN THE MIDDLE OF ITS 40,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT AND PUT TWO HOMES ON IT, YOU WOULD INCREASE THAT TAX ROW RIGHT THERE OF PROBABLY AN $800,000 HOME.

BUT BECAUSE THE WAY THINGS ARE DEALT, I'M NOT SAYING EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE A ZERO LOT LINE LIKE THEY HAVE ON DIVORCE COURT IS , THEY CALL IT RED OAK COURT.

RED OAK OR WHERE I LIVE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE, THOSE DO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU THOUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE, THOSE ARE PERS AND I AGREE.

THOSE ARE JUST THINGS THAT I WILL SAY WE WILL LISTEN BECAUSE THERE'S GOTTA BE ROOM FOR GROWTH.

THE POPULATION HERE.

OR WE'RE GONNA BE A 55 AND BETTER DELL WEBB COLONY.

YEP.

WITH NO CHILDREN TO SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS.

THERE'S A, A REAL GOOD ARTICLE IN TODAY'S PAPER ABOUT WHAT THE LEGISLATION MM-HMM .

MIGHT DO ON ZERO LOT HOMES AND APARTMENTS AND ZONING OH YEAH.

AND IN QUARTERS IN YOUR BACKYARD.

BUT THAT WAS OVER 800,000 POPULATION FOR THE COUNTY.

NOT FOR THE COUNTY, BUT 1 MILLION POPULATION PER COUNTY.

AND WE'RE OVER THAT IN MISSOURI COUNTY.

WE'RE OVER THAT.

WE'RE 400,000 IN PARALLEL IN MISSOURI COUNTY.

OH, I THOUGHT WE WOULD, WE HAD HIT THE, UH, I THOUGHT WE WERE LIKE, FORT BEND IS, FORT BENDS IS 800.

MONTGOMERY IS 800.

ALRIGHT GUYS.

UM, SO THE LAST THING WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER IS, UH, THE HEALTH OF THE TREES.

WE'LL REVIEW THAT AND WE'LL, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

SO THAT'S GOT US TAKEN CARE OF UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE TO THE, I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON ALL THAT.

SECURE AT THE DESK.

CAN YOU GIVE US THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS NOW? STATE OF THE CITY, UH, PRETTY MUCH NOTHING'S HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS.

EVERYBODY SHUTS DOWN AND ALL THE CONTRACTORS SLOW DOWN.

UH, NICOLE'S GAS STATION OVER THERE IS, UH, YEAH, HOW, HOW'S THAT? HOW'S THAT SUBTERRANEAN, UH, WATER RETENTION SYSTEM? SHE HEARD THAT SHE COULDN'T, THEY STARTED ON THE WRONG TASK.

TASK MULTITASK.

SHE MUST HAVE CHILDREN .

THEY, UH, THEY STARTED LAYING THE WRONG TYPE OF AGGREGATE AROUND THOSE PIPES AND NICOLE CAUGHT 'EM AND TOLD 'EM THAT'S WRONG.

AND SO NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAITING TO GET THE ENGINEER OF RECORD TO SIGN OFF ON THE RIGHT SIZE GRAVEL SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP, KEEP GOING.

UM, SO THAT SHUT THEM DOWN FOR THE HOLIDAYS.

THEY WERE GONNA TAKE OFF ANYWAYS, SO, UH, THEY SHOULD BE BACK AT IT.

PRAY IT TOO QUICK.

THEY STARTED AGAIN, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE APPROVAL, SO I SHUT 'EM DOWN AGAIN.

NICE.

UM, SO WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THAT.

UH, THAT LITTLE BUILDING CAME UP FAST.

IT'S GOT WALLS.

YEAH, IT'S GOT WALLS, EVERYTHING.

START, UH, GOING IN.

UM, EDDIE TOLD WHAT YOU GOT STATION GOING.

FIRST AID BANK OVER.

YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE, DID YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE VILLA? UH, I WAS GONNA ASK, BUT I WAS GONNA I WAS GONNA BE NICE NOT SAY ANYTHING TODAY, BUT HE BROUGHT IT UP, HOOKING THE BEAR.

HE BROUGHT IT UP.

HE BROUGHT IT UP .

I MEAN, UH, THEY, THEY DID, LIKE I SAID LAST TIME, THEY, THEY WENT IN, DID THEIR PLANNINGS THE WAY THAT THE, THE, UH, THE LAST APPROVED LANDSCAPE PLAN SAID, UH, AS FAR AS THAT NATURAL BUFFER REPLENISHING IT AND IT ACTUALLY DOES LOOK PRETTY GOOD.

IT IT, I WALKED BY TO THEIR DAY WITH MY DAUGHTER.

IT'S NOT TOO SHABBY.

YEAH, IT'S CLEAN.

IT'S, IT'S NEAT.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN GREAT, BUT NOT AS BAD AS IT WAS.

I MEAN, THE, THE, THE LAND ACROSS THE STREET, IT HAS THAT SAME YEAH.

BUFFERS ON AND SOME OF THAT LOOKS HORRIBLE.

SOME OF IT DOESN'T LOOK BAD.

SOME OF IT'S DOING WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND SOME OF IT, THE RED, ITS OF CLEAR CUT.

UM, YEAH, THEY CLEAR CUT IT AND THEY GO AND MOW IT AND KEEP IT DEEP DOWN INSTEAD OF LETTING IT BRUSH UP.

SO IT, UH, I MEAN ALL IN ALL, IT, IT'S THERE.

UH, LIKE I SAID, THEY DO HAVE TO COME BACK FOR, FOR THE TREES THAT THEY LOST IN THE STORM AND DROUGHT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THAT'S, THAT'S HAPPENED.

UM, SO THEY'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR THAT.

WE, THE BIG THING IS THEY ISSUED THREE COS FOR THREE OF

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THOSE BUILDINGS.

SO THEY, THEY'VE GOTTEN COS TO START, UH, TECHNICALLY MOVING PEOPLE IN, BUT THEY'RE NOT AT A POINT WHERE THEY CAN RIGHT NOW.

UM, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE SETTING UP ACCOUNTS, WATER ACCOUNTS AND TRASH ACCOUNTS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

SO THEY, THEY, THEY'RE NOT READY TO START MOVING IN YET.

BUT THEY HAVE GOTTEN COS ON THOSE BUILDINGS, WHICH MEANS THAT THEY'RE COMPLETE AND LIVABLE.

UM, BUT THEY'RE NOT QUITE READY TO MOVE PEOPLE IN YET.

UH, MAYBE BY THE NEXT BE MEETING, THERE'LL BE SOMEBODY THERE LIVING IN THE, IN THE, IN THE US DID YOU TALK TO OLIVE GARDEN? I HAVEN'T TALKED TO OLIVE GARDEN YET.

I, I DIDN'T WANT TO DRAG IT UP BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS BECAUSE IT'S JUST SO LONG.

THAT'S FINE.

BETWEEN NOW AND SPRING WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY PLANT.

SO I WAS GONNA GIVE THEM TO THIS MONTH AND AT SOME POINT THIS MONTH GO DROP THE LANDSCAPE PLANT ON 'EM AND LET 'EM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON JUST TO GIVE 'EM A HEADS UP.

SO WHEN I COME BACK IN LATE FEBRUARY OR EARLY MARCH, THEY KNOW, UH, WHY I'M THERE.

UM, OTHER THAN THAT, OUR STREETS PROJECT OVER ON SYCAMORE AND, UH, PIN OAK IS, IS MOVING FAIRLY WELL.

THEY GOT INTO A GROOVE AND REALLY STARTED MOVING AND THEN THE HOLIDAYS CAME AND THEY SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN AND CLEANED EVERYTHING UP AND OPENED THE STREETS BACK UP SO THE PEOPLE COULD MOVE AROUND EXCEPT FOR THEIR LITTLE LAY DOWN AREA ON SYCAMORE.

UM, AND NOW WE'RE STUCK IN A LITTLE COLD SPELL WHERE WE CAN'T PUT ANY CONCRETE DOWN BECAUSE IT WON'T CURE.

WE CAN'T PUT ANY LIME DOWN BECAUSE IT WON'T CURE.

SO THIS WEEK THEY'RE PIDDLING AROUND AND MAKING SURE EVERYTHING'S READY.

SO NEXT WEEK THEY CAN ACTUALLY START WORKING, GO.

UM, THE WEATHER STARTS PLAYING A FACTOR.

UH, THIS TIME OF YEAR, UH, THEY'VE GOTTEN LUCKY SO FAR.

THIS WINTER SUMMER WAS REALLY BAD, BUT THIS WINTER THEY MADE UP A LITTLE BIT OF TIME.

UM, ALL IN ALL, THEY ARE BEHIND SCHEDULE, BUT THEY, I THINK I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT THEY'LL START MOVING PRETTY FAST ONCE WE START THAWING OUT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, BECAUSE THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW.

THEY, THEY'VE GOT IT DOWN.

UM, AS LONG AS THE WEATHER HOLDS OUT, THEY'LL BE FINE.

AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE A REAL WET SPRING, WE SHOULD BE MOVING, UH, PRETTY FAST THROUGH THERE.

UM, WHAT OTHER SITES ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW? WELL, MIGUEL WAS JUST TELLING US THAT, UH, THE RED LOBSTER BUILDING, SOMEONE'S LOOKING AT BUYING THE RED LOBSTER BUILDING AGAIN.

THERE'S, THIS IS THE THIRD PERSON NOW.

UM, I'M HOPING THE NAME THAT HE GAVE US ISN'T CORRECT.

HE, HE WASN'T SURE.

YEAH, HE NO, IT IS CORRECT.

IT IS CORRECT.

IT IS OLD KING'S FRIEND.

UH, SO HE IS A GUY THAT, UH, BUILT OVER ON 1 0 1 WINDING WAY OVER HERE AT THE HEB CENTER.

HE'S LOOKING AT PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY NOW.

UM, MIGUEL IS, IS LOOKING INTO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT SITE AT SOME POINT.

UH, THE TXDOT DRAINAGE SYSTEM, THEY GOT DISCONNECTED FROM THAT SYSTEM.

NOT PHYSICALLY DISCONNECTED, BUT THEY JUST CAN'T GET WATER THERE ANYMORE.

SO WHOEVER BUILDS THAT SITE NEEDS TO GET WATER OFF OF THAT SITE AND THEY'VE GOTTA DO SOME TECH WORK AND THAT TYPE OF THING JUST SCARES POTENTIAL BUYERS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S COMING.

AND THEN NICOLE SCARES 'EM OFF THE REST OF THE WAY BECAUSE SHE MAKES 'EM UPGRADE EVERYTHING.

GOOD JOB NICOLE ON THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEM SO THAT UH, IF THEY CHANGE ANYTHING AND ADD IMPERVIOUS AND, AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF, SHE AUTOMATICALLY GOES AFTER HIM.

SHE'S, SHE'S, UH, JUST LIKE IT TON.

AND I THINK THE BIG THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IS IF YOU DO ANY DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER STATES, IT'S ALWAYS A 100 YEAR STORM.

AND US HAVING A 10 YEAR STORM IS DOABLE.

DOABLE USE OF THE BUDGET FOR IT COMING FROM THE PRIVATE SIDE.

I STAND BY THAT.

SO, SO YOU, WE NEED TO MAKE IT MORE STRICT.

IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? MAKE IT MORE STRICT.

I LIKE IT.

UM, AND UH, THAT'S IT.

YOU GOT, YOU GOT ANY OTHER SITES? NO'S IT, UH, WE ABOUT ALL WE GOT, YOU GUYS GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING? ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME UP AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN MOVE YET? NO.

WELL LET ME KNOW IF YOU ANYTHING COMES UP.

THANK YOU AS ALWAYS.

RHONDA, ANYTHING FROM COUNCIL YEAR? HAPPY NEW YEAR.

HAPPY NEW YEAR.

THANK.

WE LOSE THE, WE LOSE, UH, BROADEST YET.

UH, COMING UP IN MAY BASTARD.

THANK YOU FOR THE HELP.

LOOK AT LOOKING AT BOND FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, SO THAT, THAT'S A BIG BITE TO TACKLE.

MATT, ANYTHING? I'M GOOD BOSS.

I'M GOOD.

TERRY HEARD A STORY ABOUT SWEENEY.

THEY'VE BUILT A CONVENIENCE STORE AND UH, THEY DON'T HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT FOR THE, AND SO THEY CAN'T MOVE IN BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A DETENTION POND.

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SO THERE IT IS ALL FINISHED, ALL THE PAVING AND EVERYTHING AND THEY CAN'T MOVE IN.

WHO'S PREVENTING 'EM FROM MOVING IN? OH, THE, THE, I GUESS THE CITY CITY COUNCIL.

SO THE CITY WHO GAVE THEM THE PERMIT, PERMIT PERMIT IS PREVENTING THEM FROM MOVING IN.

THEY, THEY APPROACHED THAT AS A REMODEL AND THEY ENDED UP COMING BACK AND DOING A TOTAL TEAR DOWN AND THEY GAVE 'EM LIKE AN UPDATED PERMIT ALLOWING IT.

I, YEAH.

AH, THAT'S HILARIOUS.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS.

WHEN THEY WENT THAT PERIOD WHERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A QUALIFIED CITY MANAGER UNTIL THEY FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO.

NOBODY WAS, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HAVE NO EVERYTHING.

NO, THEY, THEY DO HIRE, I MEAN, THEY CONSULT ENGINEERS TO REVIEW THEIR PLANS.

SO SOMETIMES I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE GETTING A BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW.

LORD.

ANYTHING ELSE HARRY? NO.

YOU OKAY? NO RNA? IS THAT THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE? OH, I BET HE'S IN SNOW NOW.

YEAH, HE'S COLD RIGHT NOW.

HE IS COLD RIGHT NOW.

YEAH, I'M SURE.

FOR A PANAMA? NO, UH, CENTRAL AMERICAN GUY.

BELIZE.

THING WE HAVE IS YOUR SIGNATURES.

BELIZE.

ANYTHING ELSE AL? NO SIR.

UH, THE ONLY

[12. SIGNATURE OF DOCUMENTS]

THERE ARE SOME SIGNING THINGS, UH, IN THE, ANYTHING ELSE NICOLE? UH, NO.

I SAID THERE'S ONE T, ECU LANDSCAPE MYLAR THAT WE DIDN'T, HOW YOU SIGN WHEN YOU APPROVED IT? THAT'S THE SAME.