* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL [00:00:01] RIGHT. AN ENGLISH WORD, ALTERNATE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD AND, UH, BEGIN TODAY'S MEETING. UH, WELCOME TO THE THURSDAY, JANUARY 23RD, 2025 REGULAR SESSION OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL, UH, ON AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS. UH, WELCOME TO EVERYBODY THAT, UH, BRAVE THE, UH, COOL WEATHER, NOT THE COLD WEATHER. AND, UH, UH, TO COME OUT TONIGHT. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] UH, WE'RE GONNA BEGIN WITH, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE OF WHICH WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE MAYOR, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVIS WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE, HONOR OF THE TEXAS FLAG ANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD KNOWN INVIS. THIS EVENING, WE'LL HAVE INVOCATION WILL BE, UH, LED BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. UH, LET US PRAY. HEAVEN 70. FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THE, UH, THIS SNOW THAT YOU BLESSED US TO SEE, UM, THE OTHER DAY. AND, UH, JUST BLESS US AS THE WEATHER STARTED GETTING BETTER TO, UH, BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AND PROTECT THIS GREAT CITY THAT WE LIVE IN. BLESS OUR FIREFIGHTERS, UH, EMS AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AS THEY PROTECT US ON A DAILY BASIS. ALSO, BLESS OUR, UH, MILITARY FORCE AS THEY PROTECT US ABROAD. AND JUST BE WITH US AS WE MAKE STRONG AND POSITIVE DECISIONS FOR THIS GREAT CITY THAT WE LIVE IN. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [PRESENTATIONS] UH, WE'LL, UH, MOVE TO, UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA'S PRESENTATION. THIS IS, UH, ITEM IS THE DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD. JAMES? YES. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY'S HERE FOR. YEP. THE NEWS RELEASE ABOUT OUR BUDGET AWARD. SO, I'M GONNA READ THIS NEWS RELEASE FOR YOU, AND IT SAYS HERE THAT THE GENERAL FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IS PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON RECEIVED ITS DISTINGUISHED BUDGET PRESENTATION AWARD FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. THE AWARD REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT ACHIEVEMENT BY THIS ENTITY. IT REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT OF THE GOVERNING BODY AND STAFF TO MEET THE HIGHEST PRINCIPLES OF GOVERNMENT BUDGETING. IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THIS BUDGET AWARD, THE ENTITY HAD TO SATISFY NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED GUIDELINES FOR EFFECTIVE BUDGET PRESENTATION. THESE GUIDELINES ARE DESIGNED TO ASSESS HOW WELL THE ENTITY BUDGET SERVES AS A POLICY DOCUMENT, A FINANCIAL PLAN, AN OPERATIONS GUIDE, AND A COMMUNICATIONS DEVICE. AND I WANTED TO NOTE THAT, LET'S SEE HERE. I'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL PEN THAT WE'RE GONNA ADD TO OUR PLAQUE. WOW. IF ANYBODY WANTS. BEAUTIFUL. AND I ALSO WANTED TO COMMENT THAT I'M GONNA STEAL THIS FROM MODESTO'S MANAGEMENT LETTER, BUT WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS FOR THE TIME THAT THEY HAD EXPERTISE THAT THEY'VE PUT INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, ESPECIALLY THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, THE CONTROLLER, GISELLE HERNANDEZ, THE ASSISTANT CITY MAN ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER, MILFORD WILLIAMS, WHO'S NO LONGER WITH US AT THIS TIME. UH, PERSONNEL DIRECTOR JOSE SANCHEZ AND THE PIO, LAURA MARIE BERNARD. UH, THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS WERE SIGNIFICANT. IN ADDITION, WE'D LIKE TO THANK CITY EMPLOYEES WHO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEIR ACTIONS AND BEHAVIOR COMMIT TO THE PUBLIC SERVICE OF THE CITY. AND LASTLY, OF COURSE, COUNCIL ON THE CITY MANAGER HIMSELF. THAT'S OUR AWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. WORK. VERY GOOD WORK. THIS IS OUR 33RD TIME WINNING. 33RD TIME, IS IT IN A ROW? 33 IN A YEAR ROW 33RD. YES, SIR. YEP. VERY GOOD. AND AGAIN, UH, IN MR. MEDU, UH, MODESTO MUNDOS, UH, COMMUNICATION THAT JAMES READ THERE, HE'S, HE'S, HE SPOKE JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING I COULD SAY. AND, AND AGAIN, IT TAKES TEAMWORK, IT TAKES OVERSIGHT, IT TAKES PEOPLE, UH, TAKING, UH, RESPONSIBILITY AND OWNERSHIP. AND, AND I THINK WE HAVE THAT AND WE'VE DEMONSTRATED THAT WHAT OUR STAFF AND WITH THE RECEIVING THIS AWARD FOR 33 YEARS, LIKE YOU SAID. GREAT WORK. ANYBODY ELSE ON COUNCIL? WELL DONE. NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [VISITOR COMMENTS] UH, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VISITORS COMMENTS. UH, AND THIS IS AN ITEM, UH, THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE ISSUES NOT ON THE AGENDA. THE COUNT CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENT PRESENTED ISSUE, NOR MAY ANY ACTION BE TAKEN ON ANY ISSUE AT THIS TIME. ANY ITEM PRESENTED COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON AN AGENDA OF A REGULAR SCHEDULED FUTURE MEETING. IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS NOT? WELL, DON'T ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR VISITOR COMMENTS? IS ANYBODY THAT HAS VISITOR COMMENTS, AGAIN, IT'S ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA. ALRIGHT. THAT'S SEEING, OKAY. YES, MA'AM. I HAVE SOMETHING UP ON THE AGENDA, BUT SOMETHING [00:05:01] ELSE TOO. OKAY. JUST SPEAK OF WHAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, I GUESS IT WAS BEFORE, BUT ABOUT THE CHICKENS, LIKE, BRING THAT BACK UP AGAIN. THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CHICKENS AGAIN IN LAKE JACKSON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. AND THIS IS WHERE ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL CAN DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST CONCERNING ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT OR REGULAR AGENDA. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY DECLARE A CONFLICT ON? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. NOT HEARING. SO [CONSENT AGENDA] WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I'LL, UH, READ THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. UH, NOTING THAT ITEM FOUR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA HAS BEEN PULLED. IT WILL BE BACK AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. NO, SIR. THAT IT BE, UM, VOTED ON AS PART OF AGENDA. OKAY. ITEM FOUR. YES. ON YOU WANNA MOVE IT TO A REGULAR AGENDA? YES. AND YOU CAN THE END. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THEN WE'RE GONNA MOVE, ITEM FOUR IS BEING REQUESTED TO MOVE BY STAFF TO MOVE TO REGULAR AGENDA DISCUSSION. SO THAT'LL BE THE FIRST THING WE TALK ABOUT ON REGULAR AGENDA. ITEM FOUR. OKAY. AND MY PEN IS DEAD. OKAY. GO. THIS ONE. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVE, UH, MINUTES JANUARY 6TH, 2025. ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS MINUTES, UH, PLANNERS, UH, AND TRAFFIC. ITEM THREE IS APPROVED. ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 4 AMENDING CHAPTER 14 BUILDINGS AND CHAPTER 86, STREETS, SIDEWALKS, AND OTHER PUBLIC PLACES TO REMOVE REDUNDANT FEES. SECOND READING. UM, ITEM FIVE IS, UH, CANCELED THE APPROVED PURCHASE OF A DODGE RAM 1500 FROM, UH, DONALDSON, CDJR AND THE AMOUNT OF $60,000 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. ITEM SIX APPROVED THE PURCHASE OF A 2024 FORD F-150 FROM SALES B FORD UNDER, UH, TIPS CONTRACT NUMBER 2, 2, 1 BEING 2 1 0 9 0 7 IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $60,000 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IS THERE ANY RE REQUESTS FROM COUNSEL OR STAFF TO REMOVE ANY OTHER ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING? SO WE WILL, I'LL ENTER, I WILL, UH, ACCEPT, UH, MOTIONS ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEM FOUR PULLED, UH, BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT, IS ANY ANY REASON WHY WE DIDN'T WANT TO DOGE INSTEAD OF FOUR, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? UM, THEY, THEY COULDN'T FULFILL THE ORDER. OKAY. ORDER AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WOULDN'T COUNCIL BE OFF. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH ITEM FOUR POOL. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS 1, 2, 3, 5, AND SIX AS PRESENTED. OKAY. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HANYA, UH, COUNCIL AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? REGULAR AGENDA. WE'LL TALK ABOUT [4. Ratification of Emergency Electrical Repairs by Melton Electrical and Structural Cabling for the Service Center electrical feed in an amount not to exceed $250,000.] ITEM FOUR, RATIFY THE EMERGENCY ELECTRICAL REPAIRS BY, UH, MILTON ELECTRICAL AND STRUCTURAL, UH, CABLING FOR THE SERVICE CENTER ELECTRICAL FEED IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $250,000. OKAY. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNSEL. UH, THIS ITEM WA IS A RATIFICATION FOR AN EMERGENCY REPAIR AT THE SERVICE CENTER. UH, ON JANUARY 7TH, UH, JOE GOT A CALL THAT POWER WAS OUT. SO WE WENT OUT AND TURNED ON THE GENERATOR. FOUND OUT SOME LEGS WERE DOWN ON THE POLES THAT FEED POWER FROM CENTER POINT TO THE FACILITY CALLED CENTER POINT. THEY CAME TO REENERGIZE AND THEY WOULD NOT TAKE, SO THE NUMBERS THAT CENTER POINT WERE READING WERE HIGH ENERGY USAGE. SO THEY THOUGHT THAT THE TRANSFORMERS WERE TOO SMALL, UPGRADED THE TRANSFORMERS, STILL WOULD NOT ENERGIZE, CHECKED OUR SIDE AND SAID WE'RE GOING TO GROUND ON OUR SIDE. UH, SO THAT LED TO US CALLING AN ELECTRICAL COMPANY. THEY CAME OUT, GAVE US AN ESTIMATE, UH, OF NOT TO EXCEED $250,000 AND, UH, WENT TO WORK. AND WE ARE HERE TO RATIFY THAT. WE DID GET THE WORK COMPLETED. IT TOOK 'EM, UH, A DAY. IT TOOK SIX DAYS TO GET THE FACILITY BACK ONLINE ON CENTER POINT POWER. UH, WE DID GET A NEW CENTER POINT POLE OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE, THE PROJECT AS WELL. AND THE FINAL INVOICE CAME IN AT $191,407. SO YOU'RE WANTING US TO RATIFY THIS FOR 192,000 192,000. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ERIC [00:10:01] AND COUNSEL? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ADAM, NUMBER FOUR, 192,000. YES, SIR. YES, SIR. 192,000. OKAY. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BUELL AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. ALL IN FAVOR SEE? AYE. A AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ERIC. OKAY, YOU ALREADY SIT DOWN. ALL RIGHT. UH, NOW WE'LL [1. Discuss noise complaint of late-night trash service at Lakewood Apartments. – Lauren Smith] MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER ONE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA, DISCUSS NOISE COMPLAINT OF, UH, LATE NIGHT TRASH SERVICE AT LAKEWOOD APARTMENTS. MS. SMITH, DO YOU WANNA SPEAK? YES. OKAY. AND LET'S LET HER SPEAK. AND, OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MUNDO, UM, TO TRY TO FIND RESOLUTION WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. UM, IT'S THE LUXURY APARTMENTS THAT THEY RECENTLY BUILT. THEY INSTALLED A TRASH COMPACTOR NEXT DOOR TO ME. AND I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT DURING THE DAY. I CARE WHEN IT'S AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, AND THEN AGAIN AT 11 O'CLOCK, 12 O'CLOCK, ONE O'CLOCK AND TWO O'CLOCK. THAT'S A PROBLEM. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE MAN MANAGEMENT FOR THE APARTMENTS AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO I TOOK VIDEO AND I GAVE IT TO MR. MDO, BUT IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER. THEY'RE NOT STOPPING. I WORK FULL TIME AND I GO TO SCHOOL FULL TIME. I HAVE TO SLEEP. OKAY. AT THE MOMENT, WE'VE TALKED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND THEY'VE AGREED NOT TO OPERATE. THEY'RE STILL PICKING UP TRASH IN THE EVENING, BUT THEY'VE AGREED NOT TO OPERATE THE COMPACTOR. SO THEY PUT TRASH IN THERE. AND WE FEEL THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS OUR AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, OF ASKING THEM, IS TO NOT OPERATE THE EQUIPMENT AFTER EIGHT, 8:00 PM SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX DO, NOT THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON. THIS IS A VALET SERVICE THAT, UH, IS PICKING UP AND PUTTING IN, IN THE TRASH. AND WE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAVE TWO OTHER, AT LEAST TWO OTHER APARTMENTS THAT ARE, THAT DO THE SAME THING. THAT THEY HAVE A VALLEY SERVICE THAT WORKS IN THE EVENING. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF ODDITY. AND THIS, THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO A RE RESIDENTIAL, UH, UH, SUBDIVISION WITH A COMPACT, OR THE OTHER TWO ARE PROBABLY NEAR, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL AREA. BUT AS, AS RIGHT NOW OUR DISCUSSION IS WITH THE CONTRACTOR PROB OR THE CONTRACTOR AND THE PROPERTY AND THE APARTMENT OWNERS PROMISED US THAT THEY WOULD NOT UTILIZE THE COMPACTOR AFTER 8:00 PM WHEN WAS THAT AGREEMENT MADE? IT WAS A, UH, VERBAL AGREEMENT, UH, WITH, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, BUT, BUT WHEN? OH, PROBABLY IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. AND HAVE YOU NOTICED A DIFFERENCE? SO THEY, THEY DON'T RUN THE COMPACTOR LATE, USUALLY AFTER NINE 30, BUT THEY STILL, WHEN THEY THROW THOSE, THE TRASH IN THERE, IT MAKES A LOT OF NOISE. 'CAUSE THAT IS A BIG METAL OBJECT. AND IT'S LOUD. AND IT'S NOT JUST ME, IT'S MY OTHER NEIGHBORS TOO, THAT IT'S A PROBLEM. SO THEY PICK YOUR TRASH UP AT NOT MINE? NO. THE, THE AREA DO YOU THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AT 10, 11, 12, 1 O'CLOCK. OH, WAIT, TILL TWO IN THE MORNING. SOMETIMES THREE. SO EVERYBODY'S STRESSED OUT THAT LATE ALL DAY AND YES. WHICH I THINK IS INSANE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY CAN'T HIRE SOMEONE TO DO THIS DURING THE DAY WHEN EVERYBODY'S AT WORK. I MEAN, I WORK FROM HOME, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY CARE 'CAUSE I'M WORKING AND NOT TRYING TO SLEEP. UM, I CARE ABOUT THE LATE NIGHTS. YEAH. COULD THEY PUT THAT AT ANOTHER LOCATION ON IT? THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. HAVE YOU LIVED IT FOR AN AREA? THEY MIGHT. THERE? UH HUH. I THINK SO. THERE'S, THERE'S, THEY CAN MOVE IT. THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY MOVE IT. OKAY. I AM NOT POSITIVE OF THAT. I MEAN, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE COMPACTOR, YOU KNOW, IF IT COULD BE, IT STILL HAS TO BE ACCESSED BY OUR TRUCK TO PICK UP THE, THE COMPACTORS. THEY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, THEY COULD DO THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, AND RELOCATE THAT ON THERE. IF YOU REMEMBER BACK WHEN THE APARTMENTS GOT BUILT, WE GAVE THE APARTMENT DEVELOPER TWO CHOICES. THEY COULD PUT DUMPSTERS OR THEY COULD PUT COMPACTORS. AND WE GIVE THAT CHOICE TO EVERY APARTMENT. YOU KNOW, COMING IN THE APARTMENT, THE OWNER CHOSE A COMPACTOR BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PUT DUMPSTERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THERE. AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT GOT, YOU KNOW, PLACED. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT, UH, THE, THE RESERVE ON 2004 AS A COMPACTOR, THEY DIDN'T WANT DUMPSTERS. SO WE DO GIVE, YOU KNOW, AND THIS ONE WAS CONSIDERED LIKE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, UM, UH, TO BE SERVICED, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY. SO COMPACTOR, THEY PICK GARBAGE UP TRASH SOMEWHERE THERE AND [00:15:01] THEN BRING IT IN THERE AND COMPACT IT. YEAH, THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS USUALLY THE APARTMENTS THAT PICK A COMPACTOR HIRE THEIR OWN VALET SERVICE. 'CAUSE THEY DON'T WANT A RESIDENT OPERATING THE COMPACTOR. DID THEY SAY WHY? IT HAS TO BE SO LATE. THEY HAVE A PICKUP SERVICE. A LOT OF HOUSTON APARTMENTS DO THE SAME THING THAT YOU PUT YOUR TRASH IN THIS BOX OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR. RIGHT. AND THEY COME MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND PICK IT UP. SO, BUT IT HAS TO BE THAT LATE SHE'S AT. BUT I'M SAYING, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE AT 2:00 AM INSTEAD OF 2:00 PM MR. WALTON IS, SEE THEN THAT'S WHAT I'VE ALWAYS ASKED. WHY CAN'T THEY DO THIS DURING THE DAY? LIKE, AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS DOES ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING, AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT, I DON'T KNOW, VIOLATE ANY NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN, IN PLACE. IT CAN, UM, THAT'S WHY, ESPECIALLY THAT'S WHY THEY'VE STOPPED THE COMPACTOR BECAUSE WE TOLD THEM THAT FOR A LATE NIGHT, THAT'S AN UNREASONABLE NOISE. BUT THROWING TRASH IN A BIN IS NOT AN UNREASONABLE NOISE. IT'S THE CHALLENGE YOU GONNA HAVE IS THAT EVEN IF YOU, AND AGAIN, I, I, I UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERNS AND WE'VE TALKED, EXCHANGED EMAILS AND STUFF AND, AND, BUT THE CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE IS, EVEN IF THEY DID AWAY WITH A COMPACTOR AND WENT TO DUMPSTERS, YOU COULD HAVE RESIDENTS THAT GO TO THE DUMPSTER AT, AT ALL HOURS AND THROW STUFF IN A DUMPSTER. SO THEM GOING TO DUMPSTERS AND RESIDENTS AND NOT DOING A PICKUP AND RESIDENTS PICKING IT, DOING THEIR OWN DUMPING, THEY CAN DO IT AT ANY TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GO OVER. IT'S GONNA BE A CHALLENGE TO GO OVER THERE. AND, WELL, WITH CURRENT ORDINANCES, WE DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE CAN, WE CAN GO MUCH FURTHER WITH, WITH THE, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AS FAR AS PUTTING IN ANY MORE REQUESTS. NO, I MEAN, DEMANDS TO THE RIGHT. WE DON'T, WE DON'T REGULATE, YOU KNOW, A TRASH SERVICE, YOU KNOW, A VALET SERVICE, YOU KNOW, AT, YOU KNOW, IN ANY OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES PRESENTLY WE DID. AND SO THIS IS A NEW AREA FOR US. SO WE DID ASK, YOU KNOW, UH, THE OTHER CITY MANAGERS IN THE REGION AND WE COULDN'T FIND ANY OTHER CITIES ALSO THAT REGULATED A VALET, VALET SERVICE. UM, SO, UM, WE COULDN'T POINT TO AN EXAMPLE. WE'VE BEEN REALLY TRY TRYING TO WORK WITH, OF JUST REGULATING THE OPERATION OF THE COMPACTOR AND TRYING TO TREAT THAT LIKE OPERATING HEAVY EQUIPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE HAVE IS A LIMIT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IT STOPS. SO WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO CONCENTRATE ON THE NOISE OF THE EQUIPMENT AND NOT THE PICKING UP THE TRASH. WHERE, WHERE WE JUST DON'T HAVE FROM GROUND. AND OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO OTHER PLATE LOCATIONS AND STUFF IS, AND IT IS TRUE FOR THIS. THEY, THE, THE MANAGER'S DEPARTMENT, I MEAN THE, THE FACILITY MANAGERS, THEY, THEY CONTRACT THAT SERVICE OUT TO INDIVIDUALS. AND MOST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT, THAT TYPE OF WORK JUST HAPPENS TO BE A SECOND JOB AS A SECOND BUSINESS FORM. AND SO THAT'S WHY MOST OF THESE VALET SERVICES LIKE THAT, THEY DO IT IN THE EVENINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY HAVE THE TIME TO GO DO IT. AND IF WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S, IT'S A WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO GO OVER THERE AND SAY, WELL, OKAY, WE WANT TO RESTRICT THE HOURS OF VALET SERVICES, UH, IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR RESIDENTIAL AREAS, IS, UH, IT WOULD IMPACT IF WE JUST DID APARTMENTS, IT WOULD IMPACT ALL THE BUSINESS, ALL THE APARTMENTS WHERE THE OTHER APARTMENTS WE'RE NOT HAVING A PROBLEM WITH. WE'RE ONLY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH, WE'RE ONLY HAVE A ISSUE WITH THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. SO, UH, I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD FORCE THEM TO MOVE THEIR COMPACTOR OR, YOU KNOW, SWITCH IF THEY WANTED TO MOVE THEIR COMPACTOR OR PROVIDE DUMPSTERS. WE CAN SERVICE EITHER ONE. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS FOR OUR TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO GET EITHER ONE THAT THEY WANTED. BUT THEY ARE STILL REQUIRED TO PUT THE TRASH IN EITHER ONE, A DUMPSTER OR A COMPACTOR. AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS WITH, SINCE THIS HAS STARTED USING IT, 'CAUSE THE PLACE HAS FILLED UP BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRASH. IT'S A LOT OF TRASH. IT HAS INCREASED RODENTS. I HAVE A TINY LITTLE DOG. I HAVE A LITTLE SHIHTZU AND MY DOG HAS BEEN ATTACKED. LUCKILY WASN'T HARMED. 'CAUSE I WAS RIGHT THERE BY A POSSUM AND A RACCOON. SO, I MEAN, I NEED, THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING. SO MS. SMITH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED CONTACTING THE OTHER TENANTS? I HAVE AND TAKING INSTEAD OF ONE VOICE OR TWO VOICES, YOU KNOW, UM, I HAVE TAKING A PETITION OR A LETTER OR SOMETHING THAT IS SIGNED ACTUALLY BY THEIR TENANTS SAYING, THIS IS A PROBLEM. WE NEED Y'ALL TO CORRECT DIFFERENT, SHE'S NOT A TENANT. I'M NOT A TENANT. NO, BUT YOU'RE NEXT DOOR, RIGHT? ANY OF YOUR NEIGHBORS? YES. I, YEAH, I HAVE MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. YOU KNOW HER, UM, HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT TOO. YEAH. AND IT'S 'CAUSE IT'S WAKING UP HER DAUGHTER. I DON'T HAVE KIDS. I WOULD JUST IMAGINE IF IT'S, IF IT'S BOTHERING YOU GUYS IN THE, IN THE HOUSES THERE NEXT TO IT, IT'S PROBABLY ALSO BOTHERING PEOPLE WHO LIVE [00:20:01] IN THE COMPLEX. I KNOW IT BOTHERS THE TEACHER THAT'S ON THE CORNER. THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE WAY FROM IT. BUT I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE OTHER TENANTS. YEAH. JUST SAYING THAT IT PROBABLY, WE HAVE NOT EXHAUST THOSE EFFORTS. MS. SMITH IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S COME FORWARD RIGHT NOW. YEAH. NO ONE ELSE HAS. SHE MAY HAVE HEARD SOMETHING, BUT NO ONE'S COME FORWARD TO STAFF OTHER THAN MS. MS. SMITH. AND AGAIN, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE TRIED TO WORK THE BEST WE CAN, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THE MANAGEMENT. AND AGAIN, THEY'VE AGREED TO NOT DO USE THE TRASH COMPACTOR AFTER EIGHT OR EIGHT O'CLOCK. THEY MAY RUN A LITTLE BIT OVER. SOUNDS LIKE SHE, SHE SAID THEY, THEY HAPPENED AT NINE OR SOMETHING. BUT, UH, AND I, I DON'T MIND THAT I, I DO MIND AFTER NINE, I USUALLY GO TO BED AT NINE. YEAH. UM, I'M IN LAW SCHOOL , SO ALL I DO IS WORK AND STUDY. SO USUALLY WHAT WHAT IS E EXACERBATED HERE IS WHEN THE, UH, A TRASH SERVICE DOES THAT. THEY'RE DUMPING BUNCH OF IT AT ONE TIME. YOU KNOW, ONE AFTER THE YEAR THE OTHER. YES. SO NOT ONLY JUST THE NOISE, IT'S THE ECHO OF THE NOISE. CONSTANT ONES FOR I'M SURE, YES. FOR SOME TIME PERIOD. THIS JUST CREATES A BIGGER PROBLEM. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE COULD DO TO, UH, CHANGE THAT. I MEAN WELL, YEAH. IT, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE, I THINK THE ONLY THING YOU COULD DO IF COUNCIL WANTED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, IS PURSUE THE OPTION OF RESTRICTING, UH, VALET, UH, COLLECTION SERVICES. AND IT'S GONNA BE ACROSS THE CITY, UH, TO CERTAIN HOURS. AND, UH, 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT TO ONE LOCATION. WELL, CAN WE DO SAYING THAT IF, IF YOU ARE A COMPACTOR A BUT A RESIDENTIAL, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S THE ONLY TIME THIS APPLIES TO YOU. IF YOU HAVE A COMPACTOR THAT'S AWAY FROM RESIDENCE, THEN IT DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. I MEAN, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT LOUD HERE. I'M TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY. I UNDERSTAND. BUT THERE'S ALSO, AND THE, AND THAT'S ONE THING I, I MENTIONED WHEN I WAS TALKING TO STAFF ABOUT THIS WAS IS THAT, UH, WELL, LET ME ADDRESS ONE THING IS IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE A COMPACTOR. THE COMPACTOR WE'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT WE SAID DON'T OPERATE IT AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER. SO IT'S, IT'S NOW IT'S THE DUMPING OF THE GARBAGE INTO THE EMPTY COMPACTOR THAT'S CREATING A, A PROBLEM FOR, SO IF THEY, IT'S NOT BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE OF COMPACTORS. IT COULD BE IF THEY TOOK THE COMPACTORS OUT AND THEY DON'T HAVE ROOMS TO PUT TRASH BINS IN THAT AREA WHERE IT'S AT. IS THAT, THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE A COMPACTOR, IS IF THEY USE REGULAR DUMPSTERS, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE PROBLEM OF MAKING THE SOUNDS. YEAH. AND I BELIEVE DUMPSTER, I BELIEVE EITHER THE OWNER, UH, HAS PROFFERED THAT THOUGHT OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY TOOK THE COMPACT AWAY AND PUT THE DUMPSTERS, UH, WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT. AND WE SAID WE ARE AMENABLE IF, IF, IF IT CAN HANDLE THE VOLUME ON THERE. BUT THERE'S BEEN NO THAT I, THAT WOULD NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT , BUT YOU DON'T THINK THE SPACE THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR THE TRASH COMPACT, THEY CAN'T REPLACE THE TRASH COMPACTOR JUST FOR DUMPSTERS. THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGER SPACE FOR DUMPSTER SCATTER 'EM AROUND. I'M SKEPTICAL. YEAH. UH, IF IT'S, IT'S ENOUGH. IF IT'S ENOUGH SPACE. BUT AGAIN, IF THEY DID, I, UM, THERE'S BEEN NO CH THERE'S BEEN NO CONVERSATION OF CHANGING THE VALET SERVICE. IT WOULD BE JUST CHANGING, MOVING THE COMPACT. AND THAT'S NOT A VALE. CAN WE ASK VALET SERVICE IS A PROBLEM? I MEAN, CAN WE JUST ASK THEM THAT QUESTION? WOULD YOU CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR VALET TIMES? I MEAN, HAS ANYBODY ASKED THAT? I THINK THAT'S COME UP. UM, I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, ROUNDABOUT CONVERSATIONS. I'VE NOT TALKED DIRECTLY WITH HIM. UH, AND THE RESPONSE I THINK DAVID HAS RECEIVED IS THAT THE RESIDENTS THERE DO LIKE THE NIGHTTIME SERVICE. SO TO GET BACK WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN HANYA WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS, IS THAT THERE'S SOME, AND I TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT THERE, THERE ARE SOME ORDINANCES WHERE WE'VE GOT, IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF BUSINESS OR OPERATION, SO CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, FOR EXAMPLE, LIGHTING. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, IF IT'S WITHIN 35 FEET, IT HAS TO BE, THE LIGHTING CAN'T BE OVER THIS TALL AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. AND IT HAS TO BE THIS, ALL THESE KINDA RESTRICTIONS. SO THERE'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD, UH, COME FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF YOU HAVE A, UH, VALET SERVICE OR TRASH CON COLLECTION OR WHATEVER, WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF RESIDENTIAL, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN HOURS. THAT'S JUST THINKING OFF TOP OF THE HEAD. THAT'S, THAT, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S CREATING A WHOLE NEW, YOU KNOW, A NEW ORDINANCE, UH, TO GO ADDRESS THAT. IF, IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO GO DO, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE OTHER MUCH OPTIONS BECAUSE IF WE CHANGE TO DUMPSTERS, AS LONG AS YOU'RE DUMPING THE SAME GARBAGE THE SAME TIME RIGHT. IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT'S GONNA STILL BE NOISY. IT WON'T BE AS [00:25:01] LOUD BECAUSE THIS THING IS MASSIVE. I THINK THEY'RE NOT OPERATING OPERAT. THEY'RE NOT OPERATING THE COMPACTOR. SO SHE'S TALKING ABOUT, IT'S MASSIVE. SO YOU HAVE THIS HUGE STEEL CONTAINER THAT YOU'RE DUMPING BAGS INTO UNTIL YOU GET A LAYER OF BAGS IN THERE. IT'S NOISY BECAUSE OF THE, YOU KNOW, JUST DINGING AROUND. SO YOU'LL HAVE THE SAME ISSUE WITH E EMPTY, EMPTY DUMPSTERS IF YOU HAVE A VALET SERVICE. 'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY GO AROUND, OOPS. THEY GO AROUND TURN EQUIPMENT, THEY GO AROUND, THEY PICK UP, THEY FILL UP THEIR PICKUP TRUCK OR WHATEVER THEY'RE USING. THEN THEY GO OVER THERE TO THE, TO THE TRASH COMPACTOR OR A DUMPSTER AND THEY, THEY EMPTY THE TRUCK. SO THEY'RE GONNA EMPTY A PICKUP TRUCK FULL OF STUFF AT ONE TIME. SO, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T SEEN AN ALTERED LAYOUT. I JUST IMAGINING, I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE SPACE IS. IF, IF YOU TOOK THE COMPACTOR AWAY, IT MAY BE REPLACED WITH EIGHT DUMPSTERS. UH, UH, HOW MANY ACCESS WOULD BE A CHALLENGE? ACCESS IS. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN ACCESS, BEFORE WE START CREATING NEW ORDINANCES THOUGH, OR CHANGING WHAT THEY'RE USING, I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO, ON YOUR END, GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN TO TALK TO THE MANAGEMENT AT ONE TIME. AND ON OUR END, ASK THEM, SAY WE HAVE THE OPTION OF CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL AFFECT YOU. OR YOU CAN JUST FIX IT. MS. WALTON IS THE, JUST HAVE THE CONVERSATION. IS THE APARTMENT MAN, UM, OWNER REPRESENTED HERE TONIGHT? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE HONESTLY I'VE NEVER MET THE APARTMENT OWNER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE. HOWEVER, I DID INVITE THEM TO THIS MEETING, UH, WHILE I INVITED THEM TO THE TUESDAY MEETING. DID NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS GONNA BE RESCHEDULED AT THAT TIME. UM, I DID SPEAK WITH THE, UM, MANAGEMENT COMPANY, NOT THE, I'VE SPOKEN WITH A VENDOR WHO DOES THE CONCIERGE SERVICE AND THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR LAKEWOOD MANOR. UH, THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY DID INDICATE THAT THEY WERE OPEN TO REMOVING THE, UM, COMPACTOR AND REPLACING IT WITH REGULAR TRASH BINS. MY CONCERN ON HONESTLY IS THAT YOU HAVE THESE MULTIPLE BINS NOW WITH A LARGER SURFACE AREA. AND AS THE MAYOR SAID, UNTIL YOU GET A LAYER IN THERE TO START CUSHIONING, THE ADDITIONAL BAGS THAT GO IN, IT'S GONNA CREATE MORE NOISE, UH, DURING THE HOURS THAT, UM, MS. SMITH IS CONCERNED ABOUT. EXCUSE ME. BUT, UM, THEY ARE OPEN. THEY DID, UH, CHANGE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THEIR VENDOR THAT THEY'VE TOLD ME. I HAVE NOT BEEN BACK OUT THERE TO OBSERVE THAT PORTION OF THE OPERATION OR THE CHANGE FOR THEIR VENDOR. SO THE, THE SERVICE VENDOR OR FOR VENDOR, THE VENDOR IS SUPPOSED TO BE PICKING UP TRASH DURING THE DAYTIME NOW. OKAY. WHICH IS, IS, UH, NOT SITTING WELL WITH THEIR RESIDENTS MM-HMM . BUT, UM, THEY'RE NOT OPERATING THE COMPACTOR NOW AFTER EIGHT O'CLOCK. OKAY. SO THEY ARE MAKING AN EFFORT TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THE, THE ISSUE THEY'RE REASONABLE TO WORK WITH IS WHAT I'M ASKING. THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE INFORMED ME, YES. UH, AGAIN, I HAVE NOT BEEN OUT TO VERIFY. WHEN DID YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH? OH, THAT WAS LAST WEEK. THAT WAS LAST WEEK. I HAD HIM, HIM, UH, PROVIDE THAT IN AN EMAIL AS WELL, WHAT THEIR OPERATION WAS SO THAT, UH, THERE COULD BE THAT RECORD AND IT WASN'T JUST TEXT MESSAGES OR PHONE CALLS. UM, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE IN, IN MY OPINION, THAT, THAT THE VENDOR COULD DO OTHER THAN TO, UM, UH, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING. BECAUSE AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF THE TYPE OF OF CONTAINER THEY PLACE OUT THERE, THERE'S GOING TO BE NOISE INVOLVED WITH THE ACTUAL COLLECTION OF, UH, HAVING THEM WORK WITH THE, THE VENDOR AND THEIR RESIDENCE ON THE HOURS OF, OF PICKUP. IT SEEMS LIKE, LIKE THAT MIGHT BE WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO. SO AGAIN, IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO ADJUST THEIR TIMES ON PICKING UP TO HAVE IT DONE BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE, THAT CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. NOW, AS FAR AS THEIR, THEIR MANNER OF OPERATION WITH THE VENDOR, UM, SOMEBODY STATED THAT THEY DO USE, UH, LOCAL PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR, FOR SECONDARY INCOME AS THEIR, AS THEIR VENDORS. YOU KNOW, THEY USE THEIR OWN PICKUP TRUCKS. THEY GO OUT THERE AT THE HOURS THAT THEY CAN, UM, DO THAT COLLECTIONS. THEY PROBABLY HAD TO GET SOME NEW VENDORS TO, UH, UM, FACILITATE THE HOURS. SO WE JUST HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM LAST WEEK. MY SUGGESTION, 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF CONTRACTS THEY HAVE WITH THE VENDORS OR ANYTHING ELSE, IS GIVE THEM A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. OKAY. SEE IF THEY MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. AND IF NOT, THEN I WOULD CONTINUE ON WITH, GET AS MANY OF YOUR RESIDENCE AS POSSIBLE, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN THAT COMPLEX OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO ADDRESS THE MANAGEMENT. YOU MAY ALREADY HAVE AN ORDINANCE ABOUT THIS ALREADY. UM, ONE OF THE LADY SHOWED ME IT, IT JUST SIMPLY SAYS TO OPERATE OR MAINTAIN A BUSINESS LOT PARCEL OR T TRACK IN THE CITY ON WHICH UNNECESSARY OR UNUSUAL NOISE OCCURS. WELL THAT'S, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE, THE NOISE WEARING COORDINATES. RIGHT. SO, [00:30:01] AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT WITH THE COMPACTOR NEEDED TO STOP, BUT DUMPING GARBAGE IN A BIN IS JUST, IS NOT UNUSUAL. IT'S JUST THROWING TRASH AWAY. WE HAVE, I MEAN WE HAVE SEVERAL APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT HAVE TRASH BINS AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A RUNNING AN APARTMENT. I KNOW. YEAH. SILVER, SILVER BAY. AND WE DON'T PROHIBIT THE RESIDENCE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. UH, THROWING TRASH IN THE BIN AT YEAH. ANY HOUR. THAT'S OVERSTEP. DOES IT, DO THEY COLLECT THE TRASH EVERY DAY? YES. UH, SIX DAYS A WEEK. AND THEN HOW CLOSE IS THE BIN, LIKE PHYSICALLY TO YOU? IT'S NEXT DOOR TO ME. LIKE MY BEDROOM WINDOW IS RIGHT THERE. . OKAY. SO, I MEAN, DOES THAT, DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? MM-HMM . LET'S, LET'S SEE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF THEY CHANGE THEIR HOURS OF THE VALET SERVICE, THEY'VE AGREED NOT TO OPERATE THE COMPACTOR. THAT HONESTLY SOUNDS LIKE THE PROBLEM IS RESOLVED. YEAH, THAT WOULD, YES, IT WOULD BE. SO, AND MAYBE JUST GIVE 'EM A LITTLE TIME. 'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN ONE CONTRACT ENDS OR ANOTHER ONE STARTS OR WHAT AGREEMENTS THEY HAVE. OKAY. AND GIVE 'EM AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIX IT. DAVID WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO GO OVER THERE AND DO, UH, SITE OBSERVATION AND STUFF AND REPORT BACK TO SEE A MANAGER. YES. THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME TALK TO US TODAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY, WE [2. Discuss citizen request to revisit Ordinance No. 2292, adopted on December 2, 2024, amending Chapter 10 Animals to prohibit cats from running at large. – Stacy Suazo ] MOVE ON. ITEM TWO ASSISTANCE REQUEST TO REVISIT ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 2 9 2, UH, ADOPTED ON DECEMBER 2ND, 2024, CHAPTER 10 ANIMALS WHO PROHIBIT CATS FROM RUNNING AT LARGE. UH, WELL, WHAT I WANT TO DO FIRST BEFORE, THERE'S TWO THINGS, UH, UH, HERE, IS THAT THE, UH, AT THE JANUARY 6TH, UH, MEETING, UH, DURING VISITOR'S COMMENTS, UH, WE HAD, MOST PEOPLE ARE HERE TONIGHT, HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, RAISE THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE. AND SO COUNSEL WAS ABLE TO LISTEN. AND AGAIN, 'CAUSE OF STATE LAW, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO, UH, DEBATE OR DISCUSS, UH, AT THAT TIME. SO THAT'S ONE REASON WHY WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK IS SO THAT COUNSEL CAN, IF THEY CHOOSE TO BE ABLE TO, UH, ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE, UH, ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UH, ALSO IS, UH, AT THE END OF THOSE, AT THE END OF THAT, UH, VISITORS SECTION I, UH, RECOMMENDED OR SUGGESTED TO COUNCILORS IS THAT, UH, THAT I WOULD, UH, REQUEST FROM THE AUDIENCE THAT PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE IF THEY WERE WANTED TO, UH, CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, IS THAT WE WOULD TAKE IT OFFLINE WITH A, UH, SMALLER GROUP TO DISCUSS, UH, DISCUSS THE, THE CONCERNS AND ALSO DISCUSS LOOKING AT, UH, UH, LARGER ISSUES, THE LARGER, THE ROOT CAUSE OF, OF SOME OF THESE, UH, ISSUES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE CITY THAT BROUGHT THIS TO OUR ATTENTION, UH, IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO, UH, THAT GROUP DID MEET, UH, WE HAD, UH, 11 PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEERED TO, UH, PARTICIPATE. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, TOLD THAT GROUP THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM, UH, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT TIME AVAILABLE TO, UH, TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. UH, IT WAS A VERY GOOD, UH, DISCUSSION. I THINK, UH, I FEEL, UH, EVERYBODY, UH, THERE WAS, UH, WILLING TO, UH, TALK AND DISCUSS. UH, AND, UH, AND I ALSO, AT THAT TIME, I WAS ABLE TO, UH, LEVEL SET WITH THAT SMALLER GROUP OF GIVING US SOME HISTORY OF, AGAIN, WHY WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE AT ON THIS. AND, UH, WHENEVER WE HAD THE CONVERSATION, WE ALSO HAD THE, UH, CHIEF OF POLICE WAS THERE, PAUL WAS THERE, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, UH, THE OFFICER THAT'S, UH, UH, THAT THE ACOS REPORT TO WAS THERE. UH, ALSO TO GIVE, UH, SOME INSIGHT OF HOW WIDESPREAD THE ISSUE OF, UH, THAT ON CALLS THAT WE GET ON, UH, THE CATS AND DOGS THAT, THAT, UH, ARE CREATING PROBLEMS ON, ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES. AND SO IT'S NOT A ONESIE AND TUESDAY, IT'S A, IT'S A CONSIDERABLY SIZED, UH, ISSUE FOR ADAM CONTROL, UH, RESPONDING TO ALL THOSE REQUESTS FIRST FOR, UH, UH, RESPONSE. UM, ALSO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, UH, MR. MODESTO BUNO WAS SAYING THAT, UH, HE SAID, YOU KNOW, HE MADE A GOOD COMMENT. HE SAYS, THE ROAD WE'RE LOOKING AT, AT, AT TWO BRANCHES OF AN ISSUE. AND, UH, ONE IS, HOW DO WE HANDLE THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE OF, UH, CATS GETTING ONTO GETTING INTO PROPERTIES OF OTHER PEOPLE AND, UH, UH, DOING DAMAGE OR, UH, OR EVEN THAT THEY'RE ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AND PEOPLE DON'T WANT, UH, THE ANIMALS ON THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S ONE ISSUE. AND MOSTLY, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE BIGGER PROBLEM, WHICH IS REALLY I VIEW AS THE ROOT CAUSE OF A LOT OF OUR ISSUES, UH, IS, [00:35:01] UH, HOW DO WE HANDLE, UH, THE, THE STRAY CAT ISSUES? UH, UH, SO, AND THAT'S GONNA BE A BIGGER, UH, PROJECT, BIGGER EFFORT TO GO ADDRESS THAT. UH, WE HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS THAT, UH, WE DISCUSSED, UH, A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TNR OR T AND BR NOW. UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THAT MEETING, UH, THE, UH, SBCA MISSOURI COUNTY WAS THERE, REPRESENTATION WAS THERE, AND, UH, UH, THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE, THEY WERE WILLING TO, UH, PICK UP THAT TORCH AGAIN AND, UH, UH, WORK TOWARD IMPLEMENTATION, UH, ALONG WITH THE CITY TO IMPLEMENT A TNR PROGRAM. UNDERSTANDING THOUGH IS, AND THEN WHAT I'VE, UH, AND I CONTINUE TO SAY IS, IS THAT THE TNR PROGRAM IMPLEMENTED IN THE CITY, LAKE JACKSON IS REALLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE DRIVEN AND MANAGED AND, UH, FUNDED BY, UH, NONPROFIT SECTOR. UH, THE CITY CAN BE HERE AND HELP ENABLE THAT. UH, IF CITY COUNCIL APPROVE CHOOSES TO, WHICH AGAIN, THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS WE HAD IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, UH, COUNTY ANALYST SHELTER, UH, IN COUNTY, UH, NOT ATORY, SPCA, UH, THEY, UH, MADE THEIR PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL WAS, UH, SUPPORTIVE OF, UH, TNR PROGRAM. SO, UH, ANYWAY, UH, SBC HAS AGREED, UH, THAT THEY WANT TO PURSUE THAT. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, AS THE CITY WILL BE THERE TO HELP ENABLE IT, WE ALSO HAD THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT A PROGRAM LIKE THAT. WHEN I TALK ABOUT FUNDING WAS IS THAT, AND AGAIN, THE REPRESENTATIVES WERE THERE, IS THAT WHERE CITIES CAN HELP OUT? IS, IS THAT THERE IS SOME FUNDING THAT IS AVAILABLE THAT NONPROFITS ARE NOT, DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO, AND CITIES DO. THERE'S PROBABLY MORE THAT NONPROFITS HAVE ACCESS TO THAN CITIES DO. BUT ON THE ONES WHERE IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF FUNDING GRANT PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT CITIES CAN, UH, APPLY FOR, THAT'S WHERE WE COULD HELP OUT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UH, SO AGAIN, WE HAD A, A GOOD CONVERSATION. AND, UH, UH, I ALSO MENTIONED THAT IT WAS GONNA BE COMING BACK TO, UH, COUNCIL TONIGHT, UH, BECAUSE, UH, MS. SW HAD REQUESTED THAT IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL. I REALLY WASN'T READY FOR IT TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. I REALLY WANTED SOME MORE CONVERSATION WITH, UH, WITH STAFF, I MEAN, WITH, UH, WITH THAT GROUP. UH, BUT, UH, IT'S BACK TO COUNCIL NOW AND GIVES YOU, AGAIN, GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO, UH, DISCUSS WHAT, UH, THEY HEARD AND WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED IN EMAILS AND EVEN, AND ALSO CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD OUT IN THE PUBLIC, UH, WITH, UH, WITH PEOPLE ON PHONE CALLS. UM, LET'S DO THAT PART OF IT FIRST AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT STEPS FORWARD, RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT. SO, YEAH, SO ANYBODY, ANY COMMENTS? YEP. UM, YEAH, LEMME JUST ADD IS I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP TO TALK AND YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IF YOU WANNA SPEAK AGAIN. SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT THE WORDING, THE ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE REFLECT, NUMBER ONE, OUR INTENT. THEY'RE VERY CLEARLY DEFINED BOTH FOR ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING OF, UH, CITIZENS. UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT NEED DEFINITION, LIKE WHAT IS A NUISANCE ANIMAL, UM, AND HOW, HOW THAT WORKS. SO I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO REVISIT, I WOULD LIKE MORE INPUT FROM YOUR COMMITTEE ON HOW THAT SHOULD BE WORDED AND KIND OF FIND THAT COMPROMISE OF WHAT'S A NUISANCE ANIMAL, UM, WHAT DOES IT MEAN IF YOU FEED THE FERAL CATS? YOU KNOW, IS THAT YOUR CAT? IS THAT A COMMUNITY CAT? WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO GIVE SOME MORE THOUGHT ON THAT ORDINANCE. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT IT AS COUNSEL FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. UM, IN THE MEANTIME, I DO THINK THAT WE SHOULD, UM, MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THAT LET'S PUT THESE, THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE COMPLETELY ON PAUSE, UM, UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER SOLUTION, WITH BETTER WORDING THAT PROTECTS OUR ANIMALS, PROTECTS OUR CITIZENS, PROTECTS PRIVATE. I, THERE'S A COMPROMISE IN HERE SOMEWHERE. UM, AND I THINK EVERYBODY IS WILLING TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION AS WE TALK ABOUT IT LATER. AND IN THE MEANTIME, THE TIME THAT THAT TAKES, LET'S PUT A COMPLETE PAUSE ON THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE. O ONE QUESTION I HAD WAS EXACTLY WHAT PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE ARE, BECAUSE I HEAR PEOPLE SAY, YOU KNOW, TAKE THE ORDINANCE, CHANGE AWAY OR GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY. BUT THEN IN THE MEAT, I ONLY REALLY HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE UNRESTRAINED ANIMAL PART OF IT IN, UM, SECTION 10.1. [00:40:01] AND SO I DON'T REALLY KNOW IF, IF, IF THERE NEEDS TO BE, AND WE WILL, MAYBE WE WILL GET SOME INSIGHT ON THAT WHEN PEOPLE TALK TO US. BUT LIKE THE, THE ANIMAL WASTE REMOVAL SECTION, I'VE NEVER HEARD ANYBODY TALK ABOUT THAT ONE. ARE WE, ARE WE GOING TO GET RID OF THOSE CHANGES TOO? OR ARE THOSE CHANGES GOOD BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT IS ONE CHANGE, BUT, UM, IT HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMPONENTS AND NOT ALL OF THEM ARE RELATED TO THE UNRESTRAINED NATURE, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY, THE ONLY INPUT I'M GETTING FROM THE COMMUNITY RELATES SPECIFICALLY AND ONLY TO THE UNRESTRAINED PORTION OF THE, OF THE CHANGE. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW IF IT'S THE WHOLE THING THAT PEOPLE ARE OBJECTING TO NOW, OR JUST THAT ONE SMALL CHANGE IN SECTION 10.1. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT I HAD. ANYBODY ELSE? WELL, I THINK THERE'S WHAT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, UH, ESPECIALLY, UH, UH, GETTING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM EXAMPLES, MS. WAZO, UH, IS THAT, THAT SHE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT SEVERAL SECTIONS OF, OF THE, THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S, AS IT'S WRITTEN. AND, UH, SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND, AND, UH, HAVING MEETINGS, DISCUSSIONS WITH, WITH STAFF ON THIS IS, UH, WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS THAT, UH, THAT HAVE WE HAVE RECEIVED. SO YES, A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS IS THE AT LARGE PIECE OF IT. BUT THE OTHER PIECE IS, IS THE NUISANCE COMPONENT OF IT, YOU KNOW, UH, AN EXAMPLE BEING IS, IS THAT, UH, THE, UH, THE NUISANCE PIECE OF IT THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT, IF IT'S A REPEAT OFFENDER, OKAY. RIGHT? SO IF A REPEAT OFFENDER IS, UH, THE NUISANCE IS THAT AN ANIMAL'S COMING ONTO A RESIDENCE PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT ANIMAL ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEY KEEP COMING BACK, THAT BECOMES A NUISANCE BY THAT ORDINANCE. BUT WHERE YOU RUN INTO A PROBLEM IS, IS THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE ORDINANCE, IS THAT IF WE TAKE OUT THE, UH, THE PART THAT DOESN'T ALLOW ANIMALS TO ROAM, THEN IT, IT MAKES THAT, OKAY, SO YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN ROAM, BUT IF THEY'RE A RE REPEAT OFFENDER OF COMING ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY, IT'S A NUISANCE AND THE ANIMAL CAN BE PICKED UP. THAT'S RIGHT. WE DIDN'T, WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE NUISANCE. I, I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE NUISANCE SECTION. RIGHT. WELL, IT JUST NEEDS TO BE MORE CLEARLY DEFINED. WHAT IS A NUISANCE ANIMAL, WHAT IN SOME WAYS YEAH. AND MAYBE SO, AND THERE'S A LONG LIST OF THINGS, EIGHT OR 10, EIGHT OR 10 THINGS THAT WEREN'T CHANGED. SO THIS NUISANCE JUST GONNA GO FOR CATS, OR DOES IT GONNA ELIMINATE DOGS? IS IT GONNA BE BOAT GONNA BE, YEAH. AND IT'S ALREADY IN THERE AND IT HAS, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO TWEAK THAT, BUT, UM, THE NUISANCE PART OF IT DIDN'T CHANGE. CORRECT. RIGHT. SO JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE PAGE. BUT THIS ORDINANCE, JUST FOR SOME HISTORY, THIS ORDINANCE YOU SAID STARTED BACK IN 2003. LET START OR GIVE US THE HISTORY ON IT, LIKE IT'S, IT'S BEEN PIECED TOGETHER OVER TIME. IT HAS, UM, I MEAN OVER YEARS, THE ORDINANCE WAS THAT THE LAST THOROUGH REVISION OR LOOK THROUGH IS WHEN WE DECIDED TO JOIN FORCES WITH CLU, FREEPORT, AND THE SPCA AND ALL, ALL OF WHICH TREAT CATS AND DOGS THE SAME EVERYWHERE ELSE. I, EXCEPT FOR US, I DUNNO. THEY DID, UH, UH, UH, EXCEPT FOR US, WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS WE LOOKED FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PURPOSE WAS TO LOOK FOR CONFLICTS AND SEE WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE CONFLICTS. SO DID WE REWRITE EVERY, UH, EACH OTHER ORDINANCE OF IT THAT WERE EXACTLY THE SAME? NO, BUT WE WERE LOOKING FOR COMPLEX AS IT PERTAINED TO THE OPERATION OF THE, OF THE SHELTER. YES. AND SO THE SHELTER CAN OPERATE KNOWING THAT THEY WERE FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH HOW EACH THREE CITY WAS, WAS OPERATING. THAT'S PROBABLY BEEN THE LAST TIME THAT WE HAD A THOROUGH LOOK, YOU KNOW, UH, OF IT, YOU KNOW, BEFORE THAT WE HAD A, YOU KNOW, A, A DEDICATED, UH, ANIMAL SHOW, AN ANIMAL BOARD, YOU KNOW, UM, COMMITTEE. AND THEN THAT WAS DISBANDED WHEN WE JOINED AND PUT A JOINT CITY, SPCA, YOU KNOW, BOARD TOGETHER. BUT AGAIN, THAT BOARD WASN'T REALLY LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE PER SE. WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSED THAT. UM, SO IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THERE'S BEEN ANY MAJOR CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE. AND AGAIN, THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO COUNCIL WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE, UH, MADE THE DECISION TO GO FORWARD WITH CHANGING THE ORDINANCE WAS, UH, STAFF PROVIDED US, AND I PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION ALSO TO THE, UH, THE GROUP, UH, LAST FRIDAY WAS IS THAT, UH, CLERK FREEPORT RICHWOOD, UH, ALVIN, CAROL ANN, THEY ALL, UH, INCLUDE, UH, CATS ON THE ROMAN RESTRICTION. AND SO WE WERE THE ONLY CITY [00:45:01] IN THIS AREA UP UNTIL OUR CHANGE THAT EXCLUDED CATS. ALL THE OTHER CITIES DID NOT EXCLUDE CATS IN THEIR ORDINANCES. SO, UH, AND I DON'T THINK WE SEE A, YOU KNOW, A, A RAMPANT, UH, COLLECTION OF CATS IN THOSE CITIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T EXCLUDE CATS FROM THE FREE ROAMING PART OF THEIR ORDINANCE. AND SO, UH, AGAIN, JUST PUTTING STUFF OUT ON THE TABLE THERE, BUT THERE ARE, TO GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS, UH, MS. BROADUS IS, THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER ITEMS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT AGAIN, MS. WAZO HAS BROUGHT UP AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND TALKED ABOUT IN STAFF, IS IF WE WENT BACK AND, AND WORKED ON, LOOKED AT THIS, TOOK ANOTHER LOOK AT IT, THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS AS, YOU KNOW, FEEDING, YOU KNOW, ANIMALS AS A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS, DO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THERE? SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK FROM EVERYBODY MM-HMM . AND SO THAT'S GIVING US THE TOOLS TO WHERE, WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL IS THEY, IF AGAIN, YOU, YOU, WE HAVE TO DECIDE AS A GROUP IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD AT RELOOKING AT TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT THIS. UH, MS. WAZO HAS ALREADY SAID THAT SHE'S, SHE'S FOR THAT. I'M FORWARD ALSO TAKING ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGES. UH, BUT MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS TO ALLOW US, UH, TO, FOR ME TO GO BACK WITH, WITH THE STAFF, INCLUDING, UH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND LOOK AT THIS, TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE, UH, AND, UH, LOOK AND SEE HOW WE CAN ADJUST, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ON IT, THEN BOUNCE IT OFF OF, REVIEW THAT WITH THIS SUBCOMMITTEE OF WHICH IS MOST OF YOU'RE SITTING HERE TODAY, UH, AND, AND GET AND, AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE, THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN MAKE ON IT, AND SEE WHERE WE CAN FIND A MIDDLE GROUND. AND, UH, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE OTHER PIECE OF THE EQUATION THAT'S NOT SITTING HERE, BUT I'VE GOTTEN PHONE CALLS ON AND IS, IS THAT THERE IS THE OTHER COMPONENT OUT THERE WHERE THERE ARE PEOPLE ARE SAYING IS, IS THAT I NEED HELP BECAUSE I CAN'T, BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP THIS ANIMAL OUT OF MY PROPERTY. I DON'T WANT THIS ANIMAL ON MY PROPERTY. SO THAT'S WHERE THERE'S GOTTA BE A BALANCE. AND I THINK WE HAD A MEETING, UH, THIS MORNING, AGAIN, WITH STAFF, WITH THE, WITH THE CHIEF AND, AND, AND CITY ATTORNEY AND, UH, CITY, UH, MANAGER. AND WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN GETTING IN AND, AND WE FEEL LIKE IF, IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT OFF TO THE SIDE, AND AGAIN, COME WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, TAKE IT TO THE SMALLER GROUP, HAVE THE CONVERSATION, MAKE ADJUSTMENTS AND TWEAK IT, AND, UH, AND THEN BRING A FINAL PRODUCT BACK TO COUNSEL. SO WE CAN'T MAKE THAT A MOTION TONIGHT TO LOOK INTO THAT. YOU CAN MAKE IT A MOTION OR WE CAN MAKE IT AS A, UH, AS JUST A DIRECTION, DIRECTION AND STUFF, BUT WE CAN FORMALIZE IT WITH A VOTE IF YOU'LL, BUT, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WHEN WE TALKED THIS MORNING WAS WHENEVER THAT, UH, MODESTO, UH, SAID THAT, UH, THAT HE WANTS TO PURSUE THIS AND WE WANT TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION IN, IN A 45 DAY PERIOD. BUT AGAIN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS THAT, UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IT WOULD BE IS THAT WE CONTINUE TO HOLD THIS, UH, TO PAUSE THIS NEW ORDINANCE AS IT IS WRITTEN NOW UNTIL IT COMES BACK TO COUNSEL FOR A FINAL DECISION. YEAH. I'D LIKE FOR US TO PAUSE IT AND LOOK INTO IT, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE A VOTING FOR A RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT FROM EACH COUNCILMAN, CHIEF CHIEF ASSESSMENT. YEAH. JUST CLEAR, I'M ALWAYS THINKING OF THINGS FROM ENFORCEMENT SIDE. WHEN WE SAY PAUSE, WE REVERT BACK TO THE ORDINANCE AS IT PREVIOUSLY WAS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. YEP. BUT IT'S FOR THE TIME BEING, NO. OKAY. FOR CATS RUNNING AT LARGE, NOT CATS, CATS DEFECATING OTHER PEOPLE'S YARDS. RIGHT. THERE'S STILL ARE GONNA KEEP THAT ONE JUST LIKE MATT ASK, ARE WE KEEPING, THAT'S MY, THAT WAS THERE BEFORE, BUT THERE'S OTHER ANIMALS, RACCOONS, DOGS, CATS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON THE NUISANCE PART. ALRIGHT. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE NO, WE'RE NOT CLEAR TO ANYONE. WE'RE NOT SAYING, OR WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY REVERTING BACK TO THE, THE PREVIOUS VERSION, IF THAT'S WHAT SHERRY'S SAYING. NO, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF WHAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF OTHER OR ORDINANCE CHANGES CREATED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS ON. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING US TO DO. MM-HMM . IS FOCUS ON WHAT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WERE OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGE. AND I, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE JANUARY 6TH MEETING, WHEN I ASKED MODESTO AND HE DIDN'T HAVE TO AGREE TO IT, I ASKED HIM IS, CAN WE JUST PUT A HOLD ON THINGS UNTIL WE CAN BRING THIS BACK TO COUNCIL? AND, YOU KNOW, HE AGREED TO, TO MAKE THAT REQUEST TO, TO THE STAFF. AND AGAIN, ANY OF US COULD HAVE COME BACK AND SAID, WHAT THE HECK ARE WE DOING? YOU KNOW, WE APPROVED THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING ENFORCE IT. SO AGAIN, IT WAS JUST A COURTESY, I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS THE BEST THING TO DO IS LET'S JUST HOLD OFF UNTIL [00:50:01] WE HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN. THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS EXPANDING, BUT EXTENDING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, BUT ALSO AT THAT SAME TIME AS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IS, IS THAT IF A CO OR IF THE PD GETS A CALL ON A, UH, A NUISANCE ANIMAL, A CAT FOR EXAMPLE, IS LET US KNOW. LET YOU KNOW, NOTIFY US, AND, UH, AND, UH, LET US KNOW. LET US KNOW THAT. AND NUISANCE CATS CAN BE DEALT WITH UNDER THE PREVIOUS VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE. WELL, YEAH, NO, BECAUSE IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO ENFORCE, BUT OKAY. THAT AGAINST CATS, IT'S EASY TO ENFORCE IT AGAINST DOGS, THAT'S ALL. YEAH. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE UNDERSTANDING OF YEAH. THIS IS THE INTERESTING THING, SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMEBODY, LET'S, LET'S DECIDE IF WE, WHAT THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION, GO BACK TO OUR COMMITTEE, LIKE, LIKE, LIKE WE HAD AND, AND REVISIT IT, SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. AND THAT'S FINE. WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WHERE WE AT WITH THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. WELL, WHEN I SAY CURRENT, WHAT WE REVISE IS THE, WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS IN THE BOOKS. SO WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE SAYING IS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE, OR, YOU KNOW, LAWBREAKERS. SO IF IT SAYS AN ORDINANCE AND SUCH YEAH. THEN THEY WANNA FOLLOW THAT ORDINANCE AND WHICH WAS NEVER THE INTENT. RIGHT. AND, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH AND WHATEVER WE END UP APPROVING NEEDS TO VERY CLEARLY GIVE PD THE TOOLS TO, UM, DO THEIR JOB AND DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT ANIMALS ON THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT. AS WELL AS JUST BEING VERY CLEAR IN OUR INTENT AND YOUR INTENT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF OUR ANIMALS, YOU KNOW? AND, AND, AND THERE'S THE BALANCE THERE AND WE WILL FIND IT. AND COUNSEL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND WE'VE ALREADY, AND WHAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE, WE HAD THIS MORNING IS, UH, IS THAT SPECIFIC THING. AND SO YES, THAT IS INCLUDED INTO THE WHOLE SCOPE OF THIS QUAGMIRE WHERE WE FOUND OURSELVES IN TO TRY TO, AGAIN, WE JUST, I JUST FEEL IT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE FOR A SMALL GROUP WITH STAFF AND LEGAL TO SIT DOWN SINCE WE'VE HEARD EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD, PUT DOWN, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, TAKE IT TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE THE SMALL GROUP THAT WE HAVE AND, AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON WHAT CHANGES THAT WE'RE SUGGESTING AND SEE IF WE MISSED ANYTHING AND THEN MASSAGE IT BACK AND FORTH BEFORE WE BRING IT TO COUNCIL. WE ALL KNOW THAT IF WE SIT HERE AT COUNCIL AND TRY TO WORDSMITH AN ORDINANCE, WE'LL BE HERE FOR MONTHS. NO, I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY. I'M SEEING SHERRY IS SITTING THERE SHAKING HER HEAD. WELL, NO, I WAS NODDING YES. SHE'D BE HERE FOR MONTHS. ALL RIGHT. YES. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT DOING THIS. THAT'S HER WAY OF SAYING WE TALK TOO MUCH. OKAY. WE, THE SHERRY, NEW BOB THERE, . I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WE'VE ALREADY GOT. AND, AND AGAIN, MY DEAL IS, IS THAT I DON'T NEED A VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD. I JUST NEED A HEAD SHAKE FROM EVERYBODY FROM COUNCIL SAYING, LET'S, LET'S TAKE WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, MAYOR, AND LET'S GO DO THAT. YOU GOT IT. IT'S CERTAINLY A BENEFIT TO, TO TAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, CIVIC ENGAGEMENT THAT WE'RE GETTING RIGHT. AND UTILIZE IT, WHICH IS GREAT. BY THE WAY, I WISH WE COULD GET THIS ON MOST ISSUES. SO BONDS, SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, IS IS THAT WE WILL GO THAT RIGHT NOW, COUNCIL IS, UNLESS WHENEVER PEOPLE SPEAK HERE, WE CHANGES OUR VIEWS, BUT WHAT WE'LL DO IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING THAT WE WANT IT THROUGH OUR DISCUSSION IS THAT WE WILL DO WHAT I PROPOSED CORRECT. AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. AND AGAIN, THE TARGET IS TO TRY TO, UH, RESOLVE THIS, UH, GO GET SOMETHING BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE NEXT 45 DAYS. SOUNDS GOOD. SOUNDS GOOD. IS THAT OKAY? YES SIR. NOW FOR ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE, AGAIN, A LOT OF YOU SIGNED UP AND, UH, IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK WITH NEW INFORMATION THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PLEASE STEP UP. UH, IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH WHAT YOU SAID AND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL FREE TO SPEAK, IT'S JUST THAT IF WE GO THROUGH THIS LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, I'M GONNA HAVE TO AGAIN LIMIT THREE, THREE MINUTES. SO HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT TO, HOW MANY PEOPLE STILL WANT TO SPEAK? OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALWAYS ONE. SO WE'LL GO AHEAD BUT KEEP IT, KEEP IT TO THE POINT. OKAY. WE'LL START WITH, UH, THE LADY UP HERE. YES MA'AM. SINCE YOU RAISED YOUR HAND FIRST. HI, UH, MY NAME'S REBECCA ERVY AND I'VE SENT MOST OF YOU AN EMAIL. SORRY IF I MISSED SOMEONE. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING, UM, POINTS I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT. UM, SO THERE WAS, UM, THE IDEA THAT THE LEGAL REVERSAL THAT THE CITIZENS COULD ASK FOR WAS ONLY 45 DAYS AFTER SOMETHING WAS CHANGED. AND THAT COMES UP ON THE 29TH. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW [00:55:01] WHERE WE STOOD ON THAT. UM, BECAUSE OUR WINDOW IS CLOSING ON THAT. UM, IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T LIKE IN THAT ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED, OUR OPTIONS WERE BECOMING MORE LIMITED COME THE 29TH. SO THAT WAS ONE THING. UM, AND THEN JUST, I WOULD LIKE TO VOICE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF REGULATION WITH THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF SERVICE TO THE MOST AMOUNT OF CITIZENS. SO JUST, THAT'S ALWAYS OUR GOAL. ENCOURAGE THAT. UM, YEAH, YOU'VE HEARD MY STORY. MY HUSBAND WAS HERE LAST TIME, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT MY FAMILY, UM, TO HAVE OUR OUTDOOR CATS NOT BE ABLE TO BE CARED FOR BY US, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE NEUTERED HIM AND CARED FOR HIM WITH VETERINARY CARE AND ALL THAT. SO THANK YOU. AND THAT IS NOT OUR GOAL. SO, UH, SO SHERRY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO HER COMMENT ABOUT THE 45 DAY REVERSAL? REPEAT, REPEAT YOUR QUESTION ON THAT. SO, UM, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, SECTION 7.03 REFERENDUM STATES QUALIFIED VOTERS OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON MAY REQUIRE THAT AN ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS OF THE CITY FOR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL BY SUBMITTING A PETITION FOR THE PURPOSE WITHIN 45 DAYS AFTER FINAL PASSAGE OF SAID ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION. SO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS WAS PAST THE 15TH OF DECEMBER, AND SO OUR 45 DAYS AFTER THAT WOULD BE JANUARY 29TH. AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT AND SO WE'RE NOT STUCK LATER, UNABLE TO HAVE OPTIONS. WELL, UM, MIKE, YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET YOUR PETITION TOGETHER. NOW IF IT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE POSSIBLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN THAT THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WE LOVE THIS. WE'RE LEAVING IT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA CHANGE IT. AND THE NEW ORDINANCE IS COMING. OKAY. SO YOUR 45 DAYS CAN START WHEN THAT NEW ORDINANCE SHOWS UP. WHEN THE NEW ORDINANCE SHOWS UP. OKAY. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION WHAT ALL OF US IS AGREEING WITH YOU GUYS TO GO WITH IT. SO NOT, I KNOW, I KNOW THERE, THERE MIGHT BE VOICES THAT AREN'T REPRESENTED HERE THOUGH THAT A PETITION WOULD, UM, YOU KNOW, BRING TO LIGHT OR SOMETHING. AND SO WE JUST WANTED TO PERSONALLY, I WANTED TO KNOW YEAH. AND THAT PROCESS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PROCESS WE ARE GOING THROUGH NOW. SURE. IF YOU WANTED TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO, NOT PARTICULARLY, BUT NO, I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT FOR FUTURE YEAH. THAT ANY ORDINANCE REPEALING THAT ORDINANCE REQUEST WERE REPEALING. IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS. SO YES, WE'D LOVE TO AVOID THAT. WE'RE NOT, DIDN'T ASK, WANNA SEE MY TICK. THAT'S TIME, THAT'S, WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT WE DON'T WANT. WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL. THIS IS NOT IN ANY FORM OR FASHION, JUST TO BE CLEAR AND PLAIN SPOKEN. THIS IS NOT AN US AGAINST CATS THING. YES. WE WANT, I'M SO GLAD TO HAVE SOME SORT OF ENGAGEMENT ON THINGS. IT'S GREAT. WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING. NOBODY'S PROBABLY GONNA WALK AWAY A HUNDRED PERCENT HAPPY, BUT ARE WE GONNA GET THE MOST OF OUR CATS TAKEN CARE OF? ARE WE GONNA TRY TO TAKE CARE OF OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ARE WE GONNA GIVE PD THE TOOLS THAT THEY NEED IN INSTANCES THAT THEY NEED? IT IS, IS WHAT WE WRITE CLEAR. AND THE INTENT IS CLEAR. THE LANGUAGE IS CLEAR. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT. THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THAT AGAIN, WE'RE HEARING RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE HEARING ONE SIDE OF THE EXACTLY, EXACTLY. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION. WE HAVE TO ALSO LISTEN TO AND UNDERSTAND. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOTTA TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE POINT. AND AGAIN, THEY WILL PROBABLY, REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOMEBODY ON EITHER SIDE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE HAPPY. AND UH, BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY EXCITED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SITTING WITH THAT GROUP THAT WE DID BECAUSE, UH, IT WAS A GOOD EXCHANGE, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT WAS JUST, I JUST HAD A GOOD FEEL THAT PEOPLE WANTED TO NOT ONLY LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE, BUT WHAT WAS REALLY EXCITED WAS THEY WERE REALLY COMMITTED TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER LONG TERM ISSUE. AND THAT'S WHERE I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ARE ON THIS, IS THAT OTHER PIECE. 'CAUSE IF WE TAKE CARE OF THE OTHER PIECE, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'RE GONNA SLOWLY GO AWAY. SO, UH, ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SAID. THANK YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S THE GLAMOR OF THIS JOB IS SOMEBODY'S ALWAYS MAD AT YOU BEING A MOM, BUT THAT'S NOT OUR GOAL. . YEAH. ANYWAY. BUT ANYWAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, NEXT PERSON. THEY ONE. THIS PEOPLE. YES. I AM NOT THE BEST PUBLIC SPEAKER US EITHER. AND WHEN I WAS HERE LAST, I KNEW YOU GUYS COULD NOT SPEAK BACK TO IT, SO I DIDN'T SEE THE POINT OF GOING FURTHER WITH WHAT I HAD TO SAY. I'M GONNA BRIEFLY SAY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY I, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. MY NAME IS NANCY MERLE. [01:00:01] UM, I'M A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF LAKE JACKSON, THE WIFE OF KEVIN MERLE, MOTHER OF NINE CHILDREN, SEVEN STEP TWO OF MY OWN. AND A LONGTIME WELL, I'M A REGISTERED NURSE. UH, I'VE TAKEN CARE OF ZORA COUNTY PATIENTS FOR 35 YEARS. UM, SO THIS COMMUNITY IS IMPORTANT TO ME, AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS RESCUING CATS. . UM, I HAVE RESCUED ANIMALS MOST OF MY ENTIRE LIFE. MOSTLY CATS. I HAVE SPAYED, NEUTERED, VACCINATED, FED, HOMED, AND OVER 300 CATS IN THE LAST 35 YEARS IN BRAZORIA COUNTY. UM, FREQUENTLY AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY POUND, WHO WOULD CALL ME WHEN THEY GOT A PREGNANT CAT, UH, WHEN THEY WERE OVER HERE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UM, YOU'RE CALLED WAY BACK, WAY BACK, WAY BACK, DEAR. I REMEMBER. UM, I DID THIS AT MY OWN EXPENSE. I HAVE SPAYED AND NEUTERED EVERY ONE OF THESE CATS. THE SPCA KNOWS ME, MY NAME AND SITE. IF VETERINARY CARE WAS NEEDED, I PROVIDED IT AT MY OWN EXPENSE. THIS IS AS IMPORTANT TO ME AS MY LIFE, AS IF MY LIFE DEPENDED ON IT. SORRY. AFTER, AFTER HAVING THIS ORDINANCE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. AT FIRST I WAS APPALLED AND ANGERED ONLY BECAUSE OF THE WORDING, SOME WORDING IN THE ORDINANCE. SO AS WE HAVE JUST SAID, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE UNINTENDED, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ORDINANCE ARE, SECONDARY TO THAT WORDING, AND POSSIBLY REWORD IT WITH THE INTENT TO BE CLEAR ON WHAT IT IS DEFINED TO ACCOMPLISH. SO THE ORDINANCE, AS I READ IT, DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS NUISANCE CATS. UM, WHICH SOME PEOPLE ON COUNCIL SAID IS THE REASON FOR THE ORDINANCE. SO TO BE VERY CLEAR, THE DEFINITION OF NUISANCE, A PERSON THING OR CIRCUMSTANCE CAUSING INCONVENIENCE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE MAIN ISSUE AND ANNOYANCE. BUT THESE ARE LIVING CREATURES. I HAVE HEARD TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT DAMN CAT IS PREGNANT AGAIN. MY RESPONSE IS, WHY DON'T YOU GO SPAY AND NEW TO HER SPAY HER FOR THE FEMALES. IRRESPONSIBLE ANIMAL OWNERSHIP IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM. TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ANIMALS YOU OWN AND CATCH AND RELEASE DECREASES THE REPRODUCTION ISSUE, WHICH IS A LARGE PART OF THE ISSUE. AND THE PROBLEM PUTTING THEM ON LEASHES OR FORCING THEM INDOORS WHEN THEIR NATURAL TENDENCY IS TO BE OUTSIDE IS NOT A LOGICAL RESOLUTION. AND PUTTING THEM ON LEASHES OR TYING THEM TO A TREE OR A RUN IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR A CAT. AND IF IT IS INHUMANE TO TIE A DOG TO A TREE, WHICH IT IS, HOW IS IT NOT INHUMANE OR UNLAWFUL TO TIE A CAT TO THE TREE? I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM, WHICH I HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GROUP AND OFFER MY SERVICES FOR THAT. UM, QUICKLY ON THE ORDINANCE, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH SECTION TEN ONE THIRTY FIVE AND I'M A WASTE REMOVAL. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SECTION TEN ONE SEVENTY ONE ONE, THE TRAPPING, THE SAFETY TRAPPING THE ANIMALS. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SECTION 10. ONE DEFINITION UNRESTRAINED ANIMAL MEANS ANY ANIMAL THAT IS NOT INSIDE A FENCED YARD. THAT'S NOT TALKING NUISANCE. THAT'S ANY ANIMAL. I KNOW WHAT THE WORD ANY MEANS. NOT THE SMARTEST THING IN THE WORLD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT. SO THAT DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS NUISANCE ANIMALS. UH, SECTION 10, 1 71, UNRESTRAINED AND NUISANCE ANIMALS. SO AGAIN, IT'S NOT SIMPLY ADDRESSING NUISANCE ANIMALS. AND I AM ALMOST DONE, I PROMISE . UM, I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ISSUE ABOUT THE ANY. AND I UNDERSTAND FOR THE SAFETY AND WELLBEING OF THIS COMMUNITY AND OF THE PROBLEM, THE NUISANCE ANIMALS CAUSE THAT HUMANE OFFICERS AND POLICE OFFICERS HAVE THE AUTHORITY, AUTHORITY TO PICK UP ANY UNRESTRAINED ANIMAL. AGAIN, IT DOES NOT SAY NUISANCE ANIMAL. SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'VE SAID IS REWARDING. MAYBE TAKING OUT THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THIS ORDINANCE AND MAYBE PERFECTING IT A LITTLE BETTER TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE AND ADDRESS THE UNDERLYING CAUSES. AND THAT'S ALL. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD INPUT. ALRIGHT. THE ERY? [01:05:01] YES, SIR. HELLO. GOOD EVENING COUNSEL. UH, MY NAME IS SKYLAR MILLER. I'M HERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE WITH THE SPCA OF BRAZORIA COUNTY. UH, UNFORTUNATELY OUR DIRECTOR, NICOLE HARDISTY COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT. UH, SHE PROBABLY HAD A COUNCIL MEETING, PROBABLY . SHE'S A BUSY LADY. UM, UH, WE DEFINITELY AS THE SPCA WANTED TO REITERATE OUR PASSION AND, UH, INTEREST IN ENGAGING IN THIS ISSUE HEAD ON. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE, I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER SETH'S INPUT ABOUT LOOKING AT THE VERBIAGE AND THAT WE'VE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. UH, AS THAT SUBCOMMITTEE, UM, I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THE, UH, UNRESTRAINED ANIMAL SECTION SEEMS TO ASSUME AN OWNER. UH, AND THAT WE NEED MAYBE SOME VERBIAGE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OWNED ANIMALS THAT ARE STRAY OR ROAMING, OR COMMUNITY CATS THAT ARE JUST TAKEN CARE OF BY THE PEOPLE. UM, AS FAR AS THE ONES WHO ARE OWNED AND REPORTED AS NUISANCE ANIMALS, WE AREN'T REALLY GIVEN AWAY TO GET THOSE ANIMALS BACK TO THEIR PEOPLE. UH, SO I THINK THAT IT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AS FAR AS GOING FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT, UM, POSSIBLE MANDATORY MICROCHIPPING, UM, THINGS THAT WOULD HELP TO IDENTIFY AN OWNER, BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, REUNITE THAT ANIMAL WITH THEIR OWNER SO THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING IMPOUNDED AND FORGOTTEN ABOUT. UM, AND OF COURSE WE'RE ALSO VERY INTERESTED IN ENGAGING WITH, UM, TNR AND HOPE, HOPEFULLY ACCESSING SOME OF THOSE GRANTS AND THINGS TO HELP THE COMMUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THEIR ANIMALS ALTERED, BUT MAYBE NOT PICKED UP AND IMPOUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNRESTRAINED. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. YEP. MAYOR COUNCIL, I'M A LIFELONG, I'VE BEEN BORN, RAISED HERE IN TEXAS. LAKE JACKSON HAS BEEN MY HOME FOR A LONG TIME. I LOVE CATS. ONE THING THAT I THINK FOR ME THAT IS MISSING IS THESE ARE LIVE ANIMALS. THESE ARE NOT A CITY ORDINANCE WHERE IT'S A, YOU KNOW, MOVE THIS LOAD OF TRASH OR GO AND CHANGE THIS, REBUILD THIS. THESE ARE LIVING ANIMALS. AND WHEN YOU IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE THAT IMPACTS THEIR LIFE, I HAVE A CAT, SHE'S 13 YEARS OLD. FOR ME TO GO AND SAY, OKAY, NOW YOU HAVE TO STAY IN. YOU'VE BEEN ROAMING FOR 13 YEARS. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF GRANDFATHER HERE, YOU KNOW, C CLAUSE, BECAUSE THEN IT'S IMPACTING THEIR WELLBEING. I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU DURING COVID HAVING TO BE IN THE HOUSE AS AN, YOU KNOW, AN ADULT, IT DROVE ME NUTS BEING IN THE HOUSE FOR TWO DAYS ON THE FREEZE, I WAS READY TO GET OUTSIDE. SO IT'S A MENTAL BALANCE TOO. CATS GO THROUGH IT AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I'M A CAT LOVER AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER CONCERNS AS A RESPONSIBLE CAT OWNER. IF MY CAT WENT NEXT DOOR AND TORE UP SOMETHING AT MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AS A RESPONSIBLE CAT OWNER, I'D TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. AND TO ME, JUST LOOKING AT THIS ORDINANCE IS IF WE WANNA GET THERE FOR THE CITY, CITY OF LAKE JACKSON IN THE FUTURE, TO KEEP OUR CATS INDOORS, DON'T LET ANIMALS, WHATEVER ANIMAL IT MAY BE, WE NEED TO GRADUALLY IMPLEMENT THAT AND LET SOMEBODY KNOW THAT WHEN YOU GET THE CAT, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND THEY'RE PREPARED FOR THAT. AND THEY CAN PREPARE THE CAT AND A YOUNG AGE RATHER THAN SOME OF US WHO'VE OWNED THE CATS FOR SO LONG, HAVING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S MY CONCERN, IS JUST THE WELLBEING OF THE CATS THEMSELVES. FOR A RESPONSIBLE CAT OWNER, IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP THE CITIZENS. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I'M WILLING TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ENFORCE THAT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE IS A FEW OF US OUT THERE THAT WILL DO THAT. AND THERE'S SOME THAT WON'T. SO YOU HAVE A BIG CHALLENGE AHEAD OF YOU. AND MY THING IS, IF IT COULD, MAYBE IT'S A GRADUAL THING, BUT YOU GOTTA LOOK AT WHAT YOU WANT YOUR LONG TERM TO BE. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE CAT AS THERE'S IMPACTING THEM TODAY. SO JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK YET? YES MA'AM. HI. YEAH, MY NAME IS JILL FRIEDMAN, UH, LIVE IN LAKE JACKSON FOR A LONG TIME. I DON'T HAVE ANY CATS OR DOGS OR ANY KIND OF PETS, BUT, UM, I, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT CATS ARE NATURALLY FREE ROAMING CREATURES. AND, UH, AS FAR AS THEY GO, I DON'T THINK THEY LIKE TO BE RESTRAINED IN ANY WAY. AND, UH, I THINK THAT, UH, UNLESS THEY'RE ACTUALLY CAUSING HARM TO PEOPLE, THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO FREE ROAM. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ACTUAL DEFINITION OF WHAT A NUISANCE ANIMAL IS. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE WHAT WE'RE, UM, FOCUSED ON IS THE ACTUAL HARM [01:10:01] THAT THEY ANIMAL MIGHT CAUSE. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BETTER DEFINITION OF LIKE, WHAT IS REPEATEDLY AT LARGE MEAN? LIKE, IS IT TWICE, IS IT 10 TIMES? IS IT A DOZEN? I MEAN, HOW MANY TIMES, UM, IS IS IT GOING TO BE, UM, CONSIDERED TO BE CAUSING A PROBLEM BEFORE YOU DO WHATEVER YOU'RE GONNA DO TO, TO IT OR THE OWNER? UM, A BETTER DEFINITION OF, UM, UM, OF THE NUISANCE. I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT CONSIDER A NUISANCE IF YOU ACTUALLY LIKE JUST WALK INTO THEIR YARD. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE A KID, THAT COULD BE A DOG. AND THEY DO. AND AS PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY DO HAVE A RIGHT TO CONSIDER THAT. RIGHT? I MEAN, IF A CAT COMES ONTO YOUR PROPERTY ONE TIME AND YOU DON'T WANT IT THERE MM-HMM . AS YOU DO HAVE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT ARE YOU, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE. YEAH. ARE YOU GONNA SAY THAT ABOUT A DOG, THE KID, A BIRD? I MEAN, SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST REALLY NOT. RIGHT. OKAY. , THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT ARE WE GONNA SAY, WE'RE GONNA MAKE A LAWS ABOUT THIS KIND OF PERSON, THAT ONE PERSON OR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. AND AND AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT ACTUAL HARM, OR ARE WE GONNA TALK ABOUT FEELINGS? I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING LAWS ABOUT FEELINGS. SO AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND NATURAL ANIMALS RIGHTS. RIGHT. AND, AND A PERSON'S RIGHTS. SO, YEAH. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM HAS FEELINGS. EXACTLY. OKAY. AND OUR FEELINGS ALL VARY. RIGHT. AND SO, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IS, IS THAT A FEELING OF AN INDIVIDUAL? IS IS THAT I DON'T WANT ANY ANIMAL IN MY YARD MM-HMM . REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, CAT, DOG, OR ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AS A, SOMETHING THAT IS NORMALLY A PET, A CAT OR A DOG, THEY DON'T WANT IT IN THEIR YARD. MM-HMM . THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT SOMEHOW. OKAY. OKAY. SO, AND YOU CAN CALL IT FEELINGS OR JUST IS THAT, THAT'S, I JUST DON'T WANT ANYTHING IN MY YARD. MM-HMM . I MEAN, I HAD, WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, I HAD LADY TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM US. ANYTIME WE STEPPED ACROSS THE YARD PLAYING FOOTBALL TO GO GET A FOOTBALL, SHE WAS CALLING THE POLICE. RIGHT. 'CAUSE WE WERE ON HER PROPERTY. UHHUH . AND SHE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO SAY, YEAH. AND WE ARE FREE ROAMING KIDS THAT DAY. SO DID THE POLICE HAUL YOU OFF TO JAIL? YEAH, THEY DIDN'T HAUL US OUT, BUT THEY WENT AND TALKED TO OUR PARENTS AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? BUT GOT PEPPERED. SO, UH, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT. DID YOU GET MUTE ? SO, AND ONE OTHER THING THAT NOBODY HAS, NOBODY'S TALKED ABOUT AND NOBODY HAS SPOKEN ABOUT IS NOT EVERYBODY IS VERY COMFORTABLE COMING TO A PUBLIC FORUM AND HAVING TO GET UP AND SAY THEIR NAME. AND PEOPLE ARE VERY PUBLIC SPEAKING IS TERRIFYING FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I HAVE GOTTEN COMMENTS. I KNOW OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE HAVE GOTTEN EMAILS AND COMMENTS FROM OTHER CITIZENS SAYING, WE'RE GLAD YOU DID IT. SO IT WE'RE, WE ALSO CATCHING FLAG FROM PEOPLE SAYING IS, WHAT THE HELL YOU DOING? YOU GOT AN ORDINANCE ENFORCE. RIGHT? SO, SO WE'RE HEARING BOTH SIDES AND UNDER DIFFERENT, UH, MEDIUMS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S EMAILS, SOMETIMES IT'S PHONE CALLS. SO JUST BE AWARE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. MM-HMM . WE HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE'LL FIX IT. WELL, THE MAIN THE MAIN ISSUE FOR ME IS THE LAW. CLEAR DEFINITIONS. CLEAR DEFINITIONS. AND IT SHOULD ALSO BE FOCUSED ON HARM. LIKE ACTUAL HARM. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING THE LAW, YOU'RE TALKING FORCE THE USE OF FORCE. AND THAT TO ME IS A VERY CLEAR LINE. WHEN YOU'RE GONNA FORCE SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING, YOU SHOULD BE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT YOU'RE FORCING THAT YOU'RE USING THAT FORCE TO, TO WE UNDERSTAND THERE'S A, THERE'S A, EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN DEFINITION OF HARM. OKAY. AND SO AGAIN, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA, WE'VE GOTTA MANAGE THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN. AND, AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE PLACE SOMEWHERE. WE DON'T WANT THE PIDDLING TO SWING TOO FAR EITHER WAY. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I USED AN EXAMPLE THIS MORNING AGAIN TALKING TO STAFF IS, IS THAT IF, IF I MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS CAT FRIENDLY AND THEY'VE GOT COMMUNITY CATS AND ALL NEIGHBORHOOD CATS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, I MOVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I DON'T HAVE A CAT, BUT I HAVE AN INSIDE HOUSE DOG. MM-HMM . WELL, YOUR CAT FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THAT'S AN OUTSIDE CAT HAS ENJOYED THAT HOUSE FRONT DECK TO SUN [01:15:01] ALL DAY LONG. AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, INCREASED ITS HAIRBALL BY, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. BUT IT SPINS ALL THAT. OKAY. MY DOG GOES CRAZY BECAUSE THAT CAT IS SITTING OUT THE FRONT TO DO IT. IT'S A NEW, IT BECOMES A NUISANCE. SO HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THAT? IS THE ANSWER FROM THE CAT COMMUNITY IS TOUGH LUCK THAT CAT LIKES TO BE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DOG, GO SEDATE HIM OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW. SO THOSE ARE, AGAIN, IT'S USED AS A, AS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT IT, IT IS ALSO A TRUTHFUL EXAMPLE. MM-HMM . IS BECAUSE IT CAN HAPPEN. SO HOW DO WE, AND WE, WE END UP HAVING TO, BECAUSE AGAIN, 95% OF THE ORDINANCES WE HAVE, OR AT LEAST 85% OF THE ORDINANCES WE HAVE IS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE COME TO COUNCIL SAYING, THIS IS HAPPENING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I WANT IT TO STOP MM-HMM . AND THEN COME TO US TO, TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE TO GO ADDRESS IT. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE ORDINANCES. BUT AGAIN, IT'S, WE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALLOW US TO GO DO SOME HOMEWORK, DO SOME WORK WITH STAFF, AND GO THROUGH THAT CYCLE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. I, I'M HO I'M HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A HAPPY MEDIUM. AND AGAIN, I'M NOT GUA NO WAY. I'M NOT GONNA GUARANTEE WE'RE GONNA MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. OKAY. THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. YEAH. AND HOPEFULLY WE GET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT WE CAN ALL, ALL LIVE WITH AND, AND BE A COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO BE, WE NEED TO BE A COMMUNITY THAT'S COMMUNITY. YES. I AGREE. GOOD. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE? I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICKLY THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN TO A COUNCIL MEETING AND I JUST LOVE IT. 'CAUSE EVERYBODY'S ABLE, AND I FEEL LIKE YOU GUYS ARE REALLY GONNA WORK WITH US WITH THIS ORDINANCE AND THE CATS AND DOGS AND STUFF. AND I'M JUST, I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT IT. . THANK Y ALL THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH. IT FEELS GOOD. VERY GOOD. WE OUT ? NO. ALRIGHT. IF, IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON AND WE'LL, WE'LL PRESS FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE EFFORTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. ALRIGHT. UH, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO, BEFORE WE MOVE ON. YES MA'AM. ONE QUICK ACTION THING. CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT WE EDUCATE THAT THIS IS ON PULSE, WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE MADE A POST. OKAY. BEEN THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING FEEDBACK. OKAY. AND JUST UPDATE IT THOUGH THAT IT'S CONTINUING. OKAY. IF THAT'S NECESSARY. I KNOW. YEAH. WE, I MEAN, GIVEN FROM YOU GUYS, I'M GONNA WORK UP . AND ONE LAST THING. CAN YOU, UH, REMIND PEOPLE HOW TO GET ON THE COMMITTEE AND PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETINGS? OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO BE ON THE, THE, THE SMALL, THE TASK FORCE THAT WE'VE GOT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT 11 PEOPLE. PROBABLY MOST OF Y'ALL ARE ON IT. UH, YOU CAN SEND, UH, AN EMAIL DIRECTLY TO ME OR THE CITY, THE SECRETARY. UH, ACTUALLY IT'S BETTER FOR HER 'CAUSE SHE'S KEEPING THE LIST FOR ME BECAUSE, UH, AGAIN, SO MANY EMAILS HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH AND CHECK AND SEE IF THEY'RE ON THE LIST. SO TO, UH, MISS SALLY HERE AND SHE'LL PUT HER, SHE'LL PUT HER BUSINESS CARD OVER THERE AND JUST SEND HER AN EMAIL AS SOON AS YOU CAN PLEASE. UH, SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE LIST. UH, AND, UH, IF YOU WANNA PARTICIPATE, UM, AND, AND WHAT YOU COULD DO IS, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA, I WAS GONNA SUGGEST PUT YOUR LI NAME ON THE LIST AS YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO BE COMMUNICATED WITH. GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. AND, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE BOUNCING OUT, I KNOW WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BOUNCING STUFF BACK ON EMAIL, BUT IF WE HAVE THAT, AT LEAST WE CAN, IF YOU LET US KNOW, WE CAN, WE'LL GO THROUGH THE EXTRA EFFORT OF SENDING YOU AN EMAIL SAYING, YOU KNOW, COUNT THIS COMING TO COUNCIL. OKAY. SO YOU, YOU GIVE A HEADS UP ON IT. WE CAN, WE CAN DO THAT. I'LL, I'LL TAKE THAT OWNERSHIP ALSO. SO IF I FORGET, I THINK I HAVE MOST OF ANYBODY THAT DOES NOT HAVE FAR, THAT I DON'T HAVE, NO, AT LEAST TWO. ALRIGHT. BUT AS SOON AS YOU CAN GET ASSESSED, WE GET YOU ON THE LIST. AND, UH, I'LL, UH, I WASN'T GONNA SCHEDULE A MEETING UNTIL WITH THAT GROUP UNTIL AFTER COUNCIL MET. SO I'LL RESCHEDULE, I'LL SCHEDULE A MEETING. UH, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT GONNA BE NEXT WEEK BECAUSE WE'LL BE MEETING WITH STAFF. SO IT'LL BE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE A WEEK OR AT AT LEAST A COUPLE WEEKS BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN IF WE DO. BUT, UH, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INPUT. IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL HELPFUL. AND, UH, AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE, UH, LIKE I SAID, UH, AND LAST ON JANUARY 6TH IS I APPRECIATE Y'ALL, Y'ALL CAME TO TALK TO US. Y'ALL DIDN'T COME AND PITCH FOR US. WE'RE HUMANS JUST LIKE Y'ALL ARE. WE LIVE IN THE SAME TOWN. AND, UH, SO THANK YOU AGAIN. ALRIGHT. OH WAIT, DON'T GO. WE'RE GONNA TALK MORE ABOUT BUDGET. . THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. I A LINE ITEM ON THAT FOR TNR CRACK BUDGET. OH NO. GOODNIGHT Y'ALL. SAL, YOU CAN'T LEAVE SAL DON'T TRY TO SNEAK OUT. AND DOUG, I CROWD. [01:20:01] ALRIGHT, WE'RE [3. Consideration and approval of an ordinance ordering a Bond Election to be held on the 3rd day of May 2025 in the City of Lake Jackson, Brazoria County, Texas: making provision for the holding of the election and providing for an effective date. – James Bryson ] GONNA MOVE ON. WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE NOW. SO THIS IS CONSIDER AN APPROVED ORDINANCE ORDERING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD ON THE THIRD DAY OF MAY, 2025 IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, BRAZORIA COUNTY TEXAS BANKING PROVISIONS FOR THE HOLDING OF THE ELECTION AND PROVIDING FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATES IN JANUARY. YES SIR. ROUND TWO. SO ON JANUARY 6TH, THE COUNCIL WAS PRESENTED WITH THE BOND PRESENTATION. WE HAVE DAN MARTINEZ RIGHT HERE WITH US. HE, OUR BOND COUNCIL, EXCUSE ME, FROM, UM, WINSTEAD. AND I BELIEVE WE HAD AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE LANGUAGE RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING AND IT'S BEEN GIVEN TO THE COUNCIL. YES. WE'LL TALK ABOUT, UH, YEAH. SO THE, THE FIRST ITEM IS WHEN WE LEFT LAST TIME, AND I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IS THAT COUNCIL HAD GIVEN DIRECTION TO HAVE TWO PROPOSITIONS AFTER WE MET WITH BOND COUNCIL. UH, THE BOND COUNCIL RECOMMENDED BECAUSE THE DRAINAGE WAS NOT TIED SPECIFICALLY TO ANY OF THE STREET PROJECTS, THAT WE BREAK THAT INTO A THIRD PROPOSITION. SO WE HAVE THREE PROPOSITION STREETS, UH, BEING PANEL REPLACEMENTS, DRAINAGE, AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITIES. UM, THE MAYOR, UH, CALLED TODAY AND SAID THAT INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ALSO HAD GOTTEN A CONCERN OR TWO ABOUT BETTER VERIFICATION FOR STREETS AND DRAINAGE. UH, WE QUICKLY SENT SOME, YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE, UH, TO DAN, BRING IT UP TO HIS ATTENTION AND THEY'D COME UP WITH A ALTERNATE ORDINANCE, UH, THAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU, HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE CHANGE AND PASSED THAT PLEASE. I HAVE, I'VE GOT, I'VE ALREADY HAVE A COPY OF. AND SO ANOTHER COPY, UM, I GOT SO MANY COPIES IS ANYBODY, SO IT, THE ALTERNATE LANGUAGE TRIES TO CLARIFY BETTER, UH, THE PROPOSITIONS ON STREETS AND DRAINAGE. AND SO IN THAT REGARD, UH, YOU CAN SEE ON THE STREET PROPOSITION IS B WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS WE'VE LISTED ALL OF THE STREETS WHERE WE WANT TO DO SPOT REPAIRS. AND THOSE ARE THOROUGH REPAIRS, BUT WITH THE CABINET CAVEAT OF ALSO THAT WE CAN DO OTHER STREETS IF WE HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER. SO THAT CLEAR, IT IS NOT JUST A OPEN PROPOSITION FOR PANEL REPLACEMENTS. WE KNOW WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO, BUT HERE IT BETTER DEFINES IT TO THE PUBLIC. THEY VOTE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THESE ARE THE STREETS THAT WE ARE GOING TO FOFO ON. UH, THERE. AND THEN THEN C IS DRAINAGE. WE TRIED TO TIE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT INTO, BECAUSE THERE'S NO SPECIFIC AREA WE'RE LOOKING AT JUST, YOU KNOW, CULVERT IMPROVEMENTS AND DRAINAGE PIPE IMPROVEMENTS. AND ALSO, UM, DITCH LIGHTING. WE'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF SPELLED THAT OUT INTO IT'S DITCH LIGHTING AND STORM DRAIN CITYWIDE CITYWIDE BACK TO PROPOSITION B WILL NOT GO VERY FAR BACK TO PROPOSITION B. THE 8 MILLION, THE, THE STREETS THAT WE HAVE LISTED WE'RE SURE WE'RE SOUTH. WE'RE SURE THAT, UM, THE 8 MILLION WOULD COVER THE REPAIRS TO ALL OF THESE STREETS. 'CAUSE SO THAT, UH, THE ESTIMATE, UH, THAT WE INFLATED, UH, YOU KNOW, USING THE INFLATION FACTOR FOR THREE YEARS CAME OUT TO 1.1 MILLION. OKAY. UH, SO IF WE GET IT DONE, BECAUSE I DON'T WANNA PASS THIS AND THEN PEOPLE GET MAD BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ALL STREETS, WE GET IT QUICKER. DONE, GET DONE. WE'LL, WE'LL DO AS MANY PANELS AS WE CAN ON ALL THESE STREETS OKAY. BEFORE WE START ANY OTHER STREET. OKAY. SO WE WOULDN'T DO, UM, WISTERIA AND WE CALL FOR A PANEL UNTIL WE MADE ALL THE PANEL REPLACEMENTS ON THESE THOROUGHFARES. OKAY. BUT IF WE, SINCE WE DEFINED THOSE, BUT SINCE WE DEFINED THEM AND THEN DID THEM, THEN WE HAVE A FLEXIBILITY, WE'RE MARRIED TO THEM THAT WE COULD THEN MOVE INTO A, WHAT WE CALL A RESIDENTIAL STREET. YOU KNOW, IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, PANELS, YOU KNOW, THERE. AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THAT IS THE POSSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS BOND SAVINGS AND STUFF. AND THEN WE MOVE THAT INTO OTHER STREETS THAT, THAT NEED IT. SO A QUESTION HERE IS, IT SAYS INCLUDING, UH, VARIOUS LOCATIONS INCLUDING SPOT TREAT, STREET IMPROVEMENTS, SHOULD WE, UM, CAPITALIZE SPOT? I WANNA MAKE SURE THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE UNDERSTAND THIS IS SPOT TREATMENT, NOT COMPLETE STREET REPLACEMENTS. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY HARD IT SAYS, IT SAYS SPOT. OKAY. IT SAYS SPOT. SHOULD WE, CAN WE CAPITALIZE THAT OR IS THAT NOT ALLOWED? UM, YOU CAN BUT CAPITAL NOT, NOT ON THE BALLOT. OKAY. NOT ON THE BALLOT. THEY DON'T LET YOU EMPHASIZE EVERYTHING ON A BALLOT. OKAY. I'VE, I'VE TRIED. OKAY. OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANYBODY CONFUSION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MONEY WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL THESE STREETS, WHICH IT'S NOT. WE TALKING ABOUT NO, WE, WE, THE STUDY WE DID WAS A PANEL REPLACEMENT. SO THE PANEL MEANS IT'S NOT RIGHT. THE VOTERS DON'T, WERE NOT INVOLVED IN THE PANEL STREET. YOU NO STUDY. SO I'M JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY'S ON THE SAME PAGE. I DON'T WANT TO HATE TO SEE SOMETHING FULL. YEAH, WE, WE TALKED AT FIRST ABOUT, YOU KNOW, STREET, YOU KNOW, [01:25:01] SPOT PAVEMENT, STREET PANEL. UM, SOME DON'T EVEN, PEOPLE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT A PANEL IS. NO. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT UH, STREET PANEL MEANT. AND SO WE WENT WITH BACK TO SPOT, UH, ON THERE. UM, I MEAN WE'LL TRY AS HARD AS WE CAN ON THE EDUCATION PROGRAM SPOT, UH, ON THAT. UH, I MEAN I, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. WE, WE DO NOT WANT TO GIVE ANYBODY THE IMPRESSION THAT PON IS GOING TO BE REPLACED STEM TO STERN. NO. OH, IN JULY. RIGHT. THAT 8 MILLION WOULDN'T COVER IT. NO. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS GOING TO BE A A, A FIRST READ. AND SO WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AGAIN TO THINK ABOUT IT FURTHER AND IF WE WANT TO TWEAK A LITTLE BIT ON THE LANGUAGE WE CAN, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO BOUNCE IT OFF DETAILS. RIGHT. ? YES, WE DO HAVE TO, UH, PASS IT, UH, WITH DAN, WHO IS OUR BOND COUNSEL ATTORNEY. UH, THEY HAVE TO APPROVE IT. SO IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN NOW TO CHANGE YEAH, WE SHOULD MENTION IT NOW, UH, TO BY THE NEXT MEETING WE IZE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE UP THERE. NOT WHAT'S THAT? OH, UH, COUNCILMAN SNIA WAS SAYING NORTH YO PROBABLY NEEDED TO BE MOVED IN ALPHABETIC ORDER. I THINK WE PROBABLY PUT IT DOWN THERE 'CAUSE IT'S PON AND THEN WE HAD NORTH. YEAH. SO WE NEED TO THAT, SO WE'RE GONNA PUT 'EM IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER FOR IT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. UH, AND THEN, UH, PROPOSITION C IS, IT'S BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, AGAIN, WHEN I WAS TALKING TO THE STAFF THIS MORNING ABOUT THIS REQUEST OF, YOU KNOW, EXPANDING THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT IS, YOU KNOW, THE $4 MILLION IS BASICALLY JUST THE BEGINNING OF A LONG, UH, PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING EVEN WITH LIKE THE STREETS. BUT THE FOUR MAIN IS, IS AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON CITYWIDE DITCH LINING AND STORE, UH, DRAIN PIPE IMPROVEMENTS. WHAT WE'RE, WHAT STAFF IS GOING TO DO IS THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE, IF, IF IT'S APPROVED, THEY'RE GONNA USE THAT 40 MILLION TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR A BUCK ACROSS THE STATE ABOUT THE STATE COST THE CITY. SO THAT MAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE, THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT SPECIFYING A CERTAIN CULVERT OR WHATEVER IS, IS THEY'RE, UH, CITYWIDE. TELL ME IF I'M SAYING ANYTHING WRONG. NO, I MEAN WHEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DID THE EAST SIDE DRAINAGE STUDY AND THAT'S JUST A SMALL FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY, THE DRAINAGE PROJECTS ALIGNED IN, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFYING THAT WERE 22 MILLION. YEAH. WHICH WERE, UH, PROBABLY 40 MILLION NOW FIVE, SIX YEARS OLD. UM, AGAIN, WE COULD SPEND 80 MILLION PROBABLY ON, UH, ON DITCH IMPROVEMENTS AND STILL NOT HAVE HALF OF THE LINE. SO THE QUESTION FOR TONIGHT IS, IS DO WE FEEL LIKE THE CHANGE IN THE SLIGHT CHANGE IN LANGUAGE THAT WE DID ON THIS ONE HERE ON C IS DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S ENOUGH TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF, AND THE CONCERN IS, IS PEOPLE DON'T WANT US TO, DON'T WANT TO JUST GIVE US A BLANK CHECK FOR $4 MILLION, YOU KNOW, WHERE, GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA USE IT FOR. AND SO NOW WHAT WE'VE EXPANDED ON IS WE SPECIFICALLY ARE SAYING THAT IT'S GONNA BE CITYWIDE DITCH LINING AND STORAGE DRAIN DRAINAGE, PIPE IMPROVEMENTS CITYWIDE. THAT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY RIGHT THERE CITYWIDE. RIGHT. AGAIN. AND, AND WE, AND WE PUT IT AND WE DID AND WE ADDED A PIECE ABOUT DITCH LININGS AND SO FORTH. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN WE HAD BEFORE. SO ONE MORE THING. I KNOW IT MAY NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE, BUT ON THE PROPOSITION A I KNOW WE FOCUSED ON B AND C, BUT UH, THE ISSUANCE OF THE BONDS AND THE AMOUNT OF $6 MILLION FOR, SHOULD WE, DOES IT NEED TO SAY CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE STATION? 'CAUSE WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE T-D-U-C-U PROPERTY 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A GOOD STATEMENT. OKAY. AND FIRE STATION ONE. I'M GONNA SAY ONE THING ABOUT PROPOSITION C, JUST READING IT, INCLUDING CITYWIDE DITCH LINING. I LIKE THAT IT SAYS DITCH LINING AND STORM DRAIN PIPE. THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC. I WOULD MAYBE CHANGE THAT FOR DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE CITY, UH, FOR DITCH. BECAUSE IF YOU DO CITYWIDE, IT ALMOST GIVES THE IMPRESSION OF, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF ALL THIS. YEAH. YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA EXPECT CITYWIDE DRAINAGE AND STORM PIPE. SO, SO WITHIN THE CITY, WITHIN SO DITCH LINING AND STORM DRAINING PIPE PERMITS WITHIN THE CITY. YEAH. AND THAT'S A GIVEN THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA, WE'RE NOT GONNA GO SPEND, WE KNOW THAT, BUT MONEY OUTSIDE. YEAH. I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANY ROOM FOR, Y'ALL SAID THIS, BUT WE THIS NO. AND THE STAFF DOESN'T EITHER. WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO, WE PROOF $4 MILLION AND EVERYBODY EXPECTS THAT THAT WILL GO SO FAR AND DO EVERYTHING. WHY [01:30:01] DIDN'T YOU DO MY DITCH WHEN IT REALLY, IT JUST DOESN'T GO, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. OR DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THE LOGIC BETWEEN, ABOUT GOING BACK AGAINST PLANE BETWEEN THE THREE AND STUFF, UH, REAL QUICK SURE. BETWEEN TWO AND TO THREE, UM, BOND ITEMS THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT. BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE GUY WE'RE PAYING ALL THE MONEY TO. UH, GOOD EVENING FOR THE RECORD, MAYOR, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL STAFF, UH, PRIVILEGE AND HONOR TO BE HERE. OF COURSE. UH, BIG DECISION THIS EVENING, UH, AND I APPRECIATE THE INPUT, YOU KNOW, FROM EVERYBODY. IT'S REALLY HELPFUL. A GREAT RECOMMENDATION FROM EVERYBODY, AGAIN, WE'RE, THE INTENT HERE IS TO CAPTURE WHAT YOUR REAL INTENT IS AND WHAT YOU WANNA PRESENT TO THE CITIZENS. SO THE DIALOGUE IS EXCELLENT. IT'S PERFECT. AND KIND OF THAT'S ALL WE'RE HERE FOR. BUT TO YOUR POINT, UH, MAYOR, YOU KNOW, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WANTED TO GO OUT WITH JUST TWO PROPOSITIONS. WHEN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECTS, UM, THE STATUTE IS KIND OF CLEAR THAT THEY WANNA SPREAD THINGS OUT OR IDENTIFY THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR. SO IF THEY'RE NOT RELATED TYPE PROJECTS, THAT THEY'RE, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO GO TO A SEPARATE PROPOSITION. AND SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF AND ENGINEERING OR PUBLIC WORKS AND, YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, NOT NECESSARILY STREET RELATED TYPE IMPROVEMENTS. RIGHT. A LOT OF TIMES OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE TIED TO STREETS. CORRECT. AND SO WE HAD A, A VERY DISTINCTION THERE. SO BECAUSE OF THAT, WE WANT TO GO WITH A SEPARATE PROPOSITION TO BE COMPLY WITH STATUTE. WE DO TRY TO HAVE GENERAL AND BROAD VERBIAGE ON A PROJECT TO KIND OF GIVE US SOME FLEXIBILITY. 'CAUSE THERE'S ALL KINDS OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU CAN DO. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AND SAY WHETHER IT'S A STREET PANEL OR IT'S STREET LIGHTING OR IT'S GUTTERS OR IF IT'S SIDEWALKS, BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL RELATED IMPROVEMENTS. UH, BECAUSE THEY'RE RELATED. IT'S OKAY TO INCLUDE IN THAT PROPOSITION, EVEN IF IT IS DRAINAGE, IF IT WAS A STREET PROJECT. BUT IN THIS CASE, WE CONFIRMED THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO THE STREET PROJECT. SO WE, WE KIND OF, WE, WE DECIDED TO GO WITH A SEPARATE PROPOSITION TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW. IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WE USE OUR STREETS FOR DRAINAGE. YEAH. , YOU KNOW, IT RAIN, WE COLLECT THE WATER IN THE STREETS, THOSE OTHER, BUT IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, YOU DO A STREET REPAIR, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO A REPAIR TO A MANHOLE OR A, YOU KNOW, GUTTER OR CULVERT, WHATEVER. AND SO THEY'RE RELATED TO THAT PROJECT HERE. YOU KNOW, IN SOME CASES YOU MIGHT HAVE A, A RESERVOIR. YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU DEVELOP FOR DRAINAGE. RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING TOTALLY DISTINCT HERE. OUR DRAINAGE PROJECTS ARE DISTINCT, SO WE SHOULD GO WITH A SEPARATE PROPOSITION THAT'S CLEAR. VERY CLEAR. AND AGAIN, UH, JUST TO EDUCATE ANYBODY'S HERE OR OR LISTING ON ONLINE IS IS THAT WE CAN'T JUST BOND LANGUAGE. WE JUST CAN'T. A CITY CAN'T WILLY NILLY COME UP WITH THEIR OWN BOND LANGUAGE. THE STATE HAS ALL KIND OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE YOU YES. AGENCY. EXACTLY. AND SO THEY'VE CHANGED, IT'S CHANGED OVER TIME. WE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE BEEN BLESSED TO PASS A FEW ELECTIONS HERE OVER TIME. AND THE WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO INCLUDE THE ELECTION ORDINANCES EVEN IN THE BALLOTS HAVE CHANGED. UH, TO YOUR POINT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK SHERRY'S COMMENTS AS WELL, YOU KNOW, WE, THEY'RE REAL SPECIFIC THERE. THERE'S GUIDELINES AND CHANGES IN THE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, UH, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A LOT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION IN THE ELECTION ORDINANCE THAT DIDN'T USED TO BE THERE ANYMORE IN THE PAST. WE HAVE THAT AS AN EXHIBIT THERE. UH, THAT KIND OF A, IT'S KIND OF AN INFORMATION WORKSHEET, SO TO SPEAK IN THE BACK. AND THAT'S SOMETHING NEW THAT DIDN'T USED TO HAVE TO BE THERE BEFORE. IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE TAX RATE MIGHT IMPACT, MIGHT BE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. AGAIN, THE IDEA IS TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC, UH, AND HOPEFULLY NOT CONFUSE 'EM TOO MUCH. BUT THAT'S THE PURPOSE. AND AGAIN, WE WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH STAFF AND SALLY OF COURSE, SHE'LL BE HEARING FROM US. WE'RE DRIVING HER, WE'LL BE DRIVING HER CRAZY. 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS WE HAVE TO DO NOW WITH RESPECT TO ELECTION ORDINANCES, BEING ON THE WEBSITE, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, BEING ON THEIR WEBSITE, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, UH, IT'S NERVE WRACKING. YOU THINK IT'S A VERY, UH, MINUSCULE TASK, BUT IT, IT GETS VERY NERVE WRACKING. 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO GET THESE APPROVED. WELL, BECAUSE, AND ANOTHER PIECE THAT MAKES IT NERVE WRACKING IS 'CAUSE WE DO IT WRONG, THE CONSEQUENCES OF IT WRONG. VERY. RIGHT. YOU'RE OUT, YOU'RE ON THE MARK AND SO BONDS AND YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE DEAL. THAT'S VERY STRESSFUL. THAT'S SO MAYOR COUNCIL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ASKING TO APPROVE THE ALTERNATE AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE CHANGES MENTIONED TONIGHT. AND WHAT I HAVE SO FAR IS THE RECOMMENDATION WAS ON PROPOSITION A, IT WOULD SAY THE ISSUANCE OF BOND TO THE AMOUNT OF 6 MILLION FOR CURRENT POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE STATION ONE. CORRECT. UH, FACILITIES AND THEN IN PROPOSITION B, MOVE NORTH PONT UP, UH, TO RIGHT AFTER MEDICAL DRIVE. SO THEY'RE IN, UH, ALPHABETICAL ORDER AND THEN IN PROPOSITION C, UH, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING DITCH LINING, UH, CITYWIDE WOULD BE CROSSED OUT DITCH AND STORM DRAIN PIPE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. YES. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE HEARD SO FAR. YEP, THAT SOUNDS RIGHT. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR, UH, SO DO YOU NEED TO, SO YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE. SO WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, UH, TONIGHT AND [01:35:01] FIRST READING, AND THEN WE'LL BRING BACK THE SECOND READING. SO IT'S THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THOSE CHANGES. YES. YES. ANYBODY ASK ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE, UH, ACCEPT THE MOTION. MAY GO AHEAD, MR. BAYER. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ORDERING A BOND ELECTION, UM, WITH THE ALTERNATE AND THE CHANGES DISCUSSED TONIGHT. SECOND. OKAY. SO, UH, THAT CLEARS MINE. WHO DOES? SECOND. OKAY, SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN STAFF AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN. UH, HANYA, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND READ THE ORDINANCE? YES. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE ORDERING A BOND ELECTION TO BE HELD ON THE THIRD DAY OF MAY, UH, 2025 IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, BRAZORIA COUNTY, TEXAS, MAKING PROVISIONS FOR THE HOLDING OF THE ELECTION AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE, UH, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. AND, UH, SO ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MS. SETH STEPPED OUT, RUN OUT WAS HER MOTION SO SHE CAN'T VOTE AGAINST IT ANYWAY BY, UH, ROBERT TROY. REALLY? YEAH. CAN'T VOTE MR. ON MOTION IF YOU'RE, IF YOU MAKE THE FIRST. OKAY. THAT'S MR. PULL OUT. ROBERT, THAT'S NOT A LOT BECAUSE I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAKE MOTIONS JUST TO GET THE DISCUSSION. JUST TO STRIKE THEM DOWN. LET'S USUALLY A SECOND. LET'S GIVE, IS IT OKAY? CAN WE JUST WAIT A MINUTE BEFORE WE GET A FULL VOTE? IT'S THE SHIRT THAT I WORE TO MY, UH, DAUGHTER'S WEDDING. ONE OF MY DAUGHTER'S WEDDINGS, WHICH WAS THE LAST WEDDING I HAD TO PAY FOR. SO I CHECKED OFF ALL MY KIDS WITH HER WEDDING. IT ACTUALLY HAD A BIG CARD, BUT ANYWAY, I NEEDED SOMETHING TO HELP ME FEEL GOOD. SO I WORE, WORE THIS SHIRT. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF FYI THAT YOU REALLY DIDN'T WANNA KNOW. FILLED THE SPACE. IT'S BETTER ME SINGING . MY TAP. DAD SAID IT'S NOT GOOD. NO, MA'AM. WE'LL ALL TAKE A GOOD LOOK CHARM HERE AND THERE. SO IF, IF IT'S A SHIRT, WE'LL TAKE IT. WE'LL TAKE I AGREE. OLDEST DAUGHTER'S WEDDING. THE SHIRT WORE FOR HER. WE, WE HAD IT, UH, TURNED INTO A DRESS FOR HER FIRST DAUGHTER. I CAN SEE YOUR ELVIS HOODIE, BUT LET'S DO IT. YEAH. CAN YOU MOVE YOUR HIPS LIKE EL STUFF? NO, NO. I CAN'T MOVE MY HIPS. . THAT MIGHT BE A HUNK OR HUNK AGAIN. ARE YOU FLYING BACK TONIGHT? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? I WORK IN SAN ANTONIO, WORK IN HOUSTON AS WELL. Y'ALL DON'T GET AS MUCH SNOW AS WE GOT. NOT AS MUCH. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER. WE, WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, SALLY, WE AND I WERE COMMUNICATING, SHE'S LIKE, OH, WE'RE MOVING TO THURSDAY 'CAUSE OF THE WEATHER AND, AND YOU GUYS GOT WHO THAN YOU GOT MORE THAN WE DID. SO CAST A VOTE. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND? AND SO THERE'S NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY GOOD ONE YOU MADE, SO YOU'RE GOOD. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU'ALL. WE'LL GET THOSE REVISIONS TO YOU AND MODESTA WITH THE RED LINE. SO YES SIR. AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO STAY ON THE TIME SCHEDULE. YES. ALRIGHT, VERY GOOD. THANKS FOR ALL GETTING OUT ON THE VIDEO. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. DANIEL. WE VOTE ON YOUR, ALRIGHT, [4. Discuss amending Chapter 90 Subdivisions, Section 90-36 Fees of the Code of Ordinances for a three percent annual increase in Development Procedure fees. – Sal Aguirre] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM UH, FOUR IS, UH, DISCUSSED. AMEND CHAPTER 90, SUBDIVISION SECTION 90 36 FEES FOR, UH, CODE AND ORDINANCES FOR, UH, FOR A 3% ANNUAL INCREASE IN DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURE FEES. MR. S IT'S YOUR, YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. HE PERSONALLY GETS IT ALL. HE PERSONALLY GETS IT ALL . GIVE SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS. GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON THIS PARTICULAR THING HERE. YEAH. OKAY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, THAT CAME ABOUT FROM, UH, MY, UH, MY ASSISTANT IN WORKING WITH SHERRY, UH, CONCERNING THE, UH, RAISING OF THAT 3% THAT YOU HAD ALL WANTED TO APPLY TO, UH, A, UH, YEARLY OR ANNUAL INCREASE THAT YOU WANTED TO APPLY TO THE FEES THAT WE WERE ALREADY CHARGING. SO WE WENT BACK AND TOOK A LOOK AT WHAT WE HAD BEEN, YOU KNOW, UH, ASSESSING AS FAR AS FEES, UH, ON DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WHEN THEY COME IN HERE AND THEY WANT TO PROMOTE A DEVELOPMENT OR, YOU KNOW, UH, COME IN HERE WITH A NEW DEVELOPMENT [01:40:01] AND ALSO, UH, ON THE, UH, PLANNING OF PROPERTY AS THEY COME DOWN HERE. AND, UH, SO WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST ONE, THAT'S 2024 AND YOU SEE THOSE FIGURES THERE. AND WHAT WE DID IS EVERY YEAR FROM THERE ON, UH, TO FIVE YEAR, UH, TO A FIVE YEAR, WE INCREASED THAT TO A 3% IN THERE. UH, 3% IN SOME CASES WE LOOKED ON, UH, ACTUALLY WE HAD TO, UH, SEE WHAT THE PLAT RECORDING THE, UH, ON THE PLAT RECORDING FEES. UH, WE HAD TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE CL WHAT WE WERE DOING, WE WEREN'T REALLY PASSING ON THE COST THAT WE WERE ACTUALLY PAYING THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO RECORD THOSE, UH, THOSE PARTICULAR, UH, DEALS THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT BACK IN THERE AND SAID, AND WE JUST LEFT IT OPEN AND SAID IT COST OF BRAZO COUNTY FEES, WHATEVER THEY ARE, BECAUSE WE WERE LOSING, AS YOU CAN SEE AT THE VERY LAST, THE ASTERISK LINE THERE, UH, THERE'S $120 FEE PER PLOT THAT WE WERE NOT RECOVER, THAT WE WERE NOT RECOVERING, WE WERE PAYING, BUT WE WERE NOT RECOVERING FROM THE, UH, FROM THE, UH, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS. AND ALSO, UH, THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FEE, UH, THAT WERE WASN'T, YOU KNOW, WASN'T HAPPENING. THE ONLY THING WE WERE CHARGING THERE WAS A $25 PER TAX CERTIFICATE FEE. SO, UH, GIVEN THAT MANDATE OR THAT, UH, THAT CAME FROM COUNCIL AS FAR AS INCREASING THE FEES ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. SO SINCE YOU'VE GOT IT OUT FIVE YEARS, IS, IS THAT SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE GONNA COME BRING IT BACK AND REVIEW IT, UH, WITH COUNCIL IN FIVE YEARS? THAT IS OUR SUGGESTION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . YES. THAT'S WHY WE, WE DID JUST FIVE YEARS. JUST FIVE YEARS. I THINK SHERRY TOOK IT FROM SOME OTHER, UH, CITY, SOME CITY, BUT THEY DID THEIRS FOUR CORPUS. LIKE WHY FOUR? THAT'S NOT A NUMBER YOU'RE GONNA REMOVE FIVE. YEAH. SO I HAVE A QUESTION, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO OTHER CITIES? BECAUSE TO ME THAT NUM NUM THESE NUMBERS LOOK LOW, A $9 INCREASE IN FROM YEAR TO YEAR IS, IS REALLY INSIGNIFICANT. AND I'M JUST QUESTIONING THAT BECAUSE I THINK, UH, UH, IT'S JUST THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LOW TO ME. WELL, IN REALITY, UH, WHEN WE, SHERRY I THINK YOU PROVIDED US THE ONE THAT WAS FROM CORPUS CHRISTI, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. OKAY. BECAUSE I I DO NOT REMEMBER. AND YEAH, AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT, WE WEREN'T THAT FAR OFF FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR FEES WEREN'T TOO, YOU KNOW, THAT TREMENDOUSLY FAR OFF FROM THAT. AND WE DON'T WANNA MAKE IT COST PROHIBITIVE FOR PEOPLE TO DO BUSINESS. NO, AND THAT'S RIGHT. AND UH, WE WERE COGNIZANT OF THAT BECAUSE, UH, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN A SMALL, UH, HOMEOWNER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING WITH PROPERTY OR DIVIDE HIS PROPERTY OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE DIDN'T WANNA MAKE IT, YOU KNOW. NO, I'M NOT ASKING. I JUST WANNA MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE CORRECT, LOCKING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS THAT WE ARE, UH, BASELINE IS CORRECT. CORRECT. BECAUSE IF THE BASELINE IS NOT CORRECT, THEN YOU ARE SCREWING HIS PROPERTY EVERY, EVERY CITY. SO YOU COULD IMAGINE HOW MANY DIFFERENT, UH, BASELINE, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING FOR OUR EXPENDITURES. I MEAN, WHAT DOES IT COST FOR US TO, UH, DO A PUBLIC HEARING? YOUR SALARY, UH, AND THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT DOES CONTAIN THAT THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTAINS WHATEVER THE ADVERTISEMENT COSTS THAT WE, UH, THAT, THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY THE PAPER, UH, AND THE PAPER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE REMAIN SILENT TO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PAPER IS, IS REALLY GONNA BE CHARGING US AT THE VERY END. THAT'S WHY WE JUST LEAVE IT BLANK THERE. ONLY THAT WHATEVER CHARGES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THING. YEAH. AS LONG AS YOU COULD, I I'M NOT ASKING TO INCREASE. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE ARE, WE, I THINK WE ARE. NO, AT LEAST WE'RE GETTING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH WHAT WE ACTUALLY BEEN PAYING OR AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE BE WE'RE GONNA BE RECOVERING THE CAUSE OF WE BEING PASSED. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE RENEE'S COMING FROM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THE BASELINE? YES, WE ARE. IF YOU ARE, YES WE ARE. BUT THEN, UH, I LIKE THE IDEA OF A, OF AN AUTOMATIC ESCALATOR OF THE 3% OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE DECIDE RIGHT NOW WE'RE SAYING 3% AND THAT WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE REVIEW IT IN FIVE YEARS, SIX YEARS, UH, IS WHAT I'M HEARING. AND BUT ALSO AT THE SAME TIME IS, IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT KEEPS YOU OR STAFF COMING BACK AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY MISSED OUR BASELINE. THAT IS CORRECT. IN TWO YEARS DOWN THE ROAD AND SAY, REALLY NEEDS TO BUSINESS NUMBERED. CORRECT. YOU STILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL CAN ADJUST, CORRECT? YES. SO, BUT WHAT THIS DOES IS IT KIND OF, IT KIND OF PUTS ON A BACK BURNER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW IT EVERY YEAR. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE AUTOMATIC ESCALATOR IN THERE. CORRECT. [01:45:01] SO SAL, SIX YEARS FROM NOW, WE'LL EXPECT TO SEE YOU BACK WITH THIS , RIGHT? WITH MY CAT. . KEEP IT UP. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE THAT PARKINSON. OKAY. SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS COMMENTS? AND SO YOU WANT US TO APPROVE THIS, RIGHT? NO, I'LL BRING THE, I'LL BRING AN BRING BACK IN THE ORDINANCE. WE JUST WANNA KNOW IF Y'ALL ARE OKAY WITH IT. GENERAL DISCUSSION. I THINK, UH, WHAT WE ARE HEARING IS AS LONG AS STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE BASELINE, OH, WE'RE HAPPY WITH GETTING MORE FEES. YES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKIE DOKE. WE GOT, UH, [5. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2296 to prohibit public urination and defecation by amending Ch. 62 Miscellaneous Offenses in the Lake Jackson Code of Ordinances. – Sherri Russell] ITEM FIVE DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 2, 9, 6 TO PROHIBIT PUBLIC. OH GOD, I'M GLAD YOU DON'T HAVE MY NAME TIED THIS AGAIN. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC, UH, URINATION AND IFICATION, UH, BY HUMANS, UH, BY AMENDING CHAPTER, UH, 62 MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES IN THE LAKE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCE SHERRY RUSSELL. SO TIME, UM, MODESTO HAS TO READ THE WHOLE CAPTION. OKAY. READ THE WHOLE ORDINANCE. READ THE ORDINANCE. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER 62, MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES IN THE LATE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT PUBLIC URINATION AND DEDICATION. PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT TO CONFLICT ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY, PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE, AND PROVIDING THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHALL TAKE EFFECT AND BE ENFORCED FIVE DAYS AFTER PUBLICATION. OKAY. SO, UM, ATTACHED TO THIS COPY ARE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THAT, UM, PD HAS RUN INTO DOING THEIR CLOSE PATROLS OF DOWNTOWN. AND, UM, URINATION IS ONE OF THE ISSUES. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THAT BEARD WON'T HOLD FOREVER. SO, UM, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THIS, NOT JUST ME. LEE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU AND UH, GOT THE DEFINITION OF PUBLIC PLACE. AND WE HAVE THE EXCEPTION THAT IF YOU'RE USING THE RESTROOM PROPERLY, THERE'S NOT ALREADY A RULE SAYING YOU CAN'T PEE IN PUBLIC. NO, NO, NO. THERE ISN'T NO PUBLIC BLUENESS. YEAH, THAT'S IT. BUT NOBODY THAT'S LIKE, THAT'S A OFFENDER PUBLIC. L YOU DON'T WANT THAT ON YOUR PEEING MIGHT NOT BE LEWD. RIGHT, RIGHT. LEWD IS, UM, YOU'RE DOING IT ON PURPOSE. OKAY? THERE'S LIKE AROS, THE PUR INTEREST. THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME DEFINITION IT ON PURPOSE. YOU DON'T YEAH. BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE, THEY NO SEXUAL IN NATURE. THEY COULD BE UP AGAINST THE WALL IN A DARK CORNER. RIGHT. AND YOU CAN'T SEE NOTHING THEM EXCEPT THE POLICE OFFICER. UH, SO MY QUESTION IS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PUBLIC PLACE OR PUBLIC PROPERTY, WHENEVER, UH, DOES THIS HANDLE, UH, USING, UH, PUBLIC RESTROOMS? YOU CAN STILL USE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. YEAH. THAT'S THE EXCEPTION IN, IN C OKAY. IT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE. I'M TO GET BACK TO THAT, THAT THEY'RE USING A, A PUBLIC RESTROOM PROPERLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BRING THAT, UH, AND CLAIM THAT. SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PROVE IT THEMSELVES BECAUSE, BUT THE POLICE AREN'T GONNA GO INTO RESTROOMS. COME ON ANYWAY. IT'S AN EXCEPTION THAT IF YOU'RE IN THE RESTROOM USING IT PROPERLY. YES. YEAH. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, BUT THAT'S IN THE EXCEPTIONS. OKAY. YES. I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T CATCH THAT EARLIER. SO I WANTED TO JUST ASK THAT QUESTION. SHERRY, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR MIND BETWEEN B ONE AND B TWO? PUBLIC PROPERTY IS CITY OWNED AND THE PUBLIC PLACE IS THE NORMAL DEFINITION. ANY PLACE THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ACCESS TO. SO PRIVATE PROPERTY, ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC WOULD BE YES. B TWO. MM-HMM . YES. OKAY. OKAY. CAN WE DO PUBLIC SLASH CITY PROPERTY? I'M JUST COVERING EVERYTHING. I'VE GOT THE GRUMPY OLD MAN IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEAR. YOU CAN'T BE HERE. YOU CAN'T BE THERE. SO THIS PROTECTS, UH, A PUBLIC PLACE. COULD BE A RESTAURANT OR A BAR. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND SOMEBODY DECIDES TO JUST URINATE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DANCE FLOOR. THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW. IT WILL BE. YEAH. SO IN THE WAY IT HELPS PROPERTY. MM-HMM . YEAH. OR THE PARKING LOT. OR THE PARKING LOT WHICH THEY OWN. YEAH. THEY'RE PARKING LOTS. BUT DOWNTOWN THEY, I'M JUST REALLY EMBARRASSED THAT WE HAVE THIS IS CITYWIDE TO DO THIS. THIS AGAIN, THIS ISN'T, THIS ISN'T TIED TO A DISTRICT LIKE THE OTHER ONE. NO, THIS IS CITYWIDE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYWAY. I HATE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO. IT'S JUST, I, I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS COVERED JUST LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IT WAS COVERED BY OTHER THINGS, BUT YOU [01:50:01] GOTTA HAVE A SPECIFIC ORDINANCE THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T DO THESE THINGS. THERE BE, SO NOW THIS WOULD BRING US UP TO DATE AND HAVE AN ORDINANCE SO THAT WE CAN, LET'S HOPE THERE'S NO UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. SO LIKE I'M SITTING HERE RACKING MY BRAIN THINKING NEXT WEEK, WHOLE CHAMBER GONNA BE FULL. BUT TO BE CLEAR, I CAN'T URINATE IN MY OWN FRONT YARD IF I CAN BE SEEN FROM THE, THAT'S RIGHT. FROM THE SIDEWALK. MM-HMM . THAT'S CORRECT. WE'RE ON THE, I HAVE TO TELL MY BOYS, BUT IN, IN MY BACKYARD INSIDE A FENCE, I PROBABLY COULD. YEAH, YOU RIGHT? 'CAUSE I'M, WE ARE NOT ENCOURAGING THAT. WELL, NO, NO. I'M JUST, YOU LEFT TO GO BACK TO THE BACKYARD. TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. GO BACK TO THE BACKYARD. I GUESS NEXT I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE SWIMMING POOL. . I DON'T YOU. IF IT'S A PUBLIC SWIMMING. IT'S A PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL. ROBIN SAYS THAT STUFF NEVER GOES AWAY. YOU, YOU HAVE TO DRAIN THE POOL. WELL, YOU GOT THE BLUE. YOU GOT THE BLUE. NO. OKAY. TOO MUCH INFORMATION. ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? NO. THIS IS FIRST READING, IS THAT CORRECT? MM-HMM . YES. ALRIGHT. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, FIRST READING OF THIS, UH, ORDINANCE THAT WAS, UH, PRESENTED. MR. MAYOR, I'M AWARE THAT WE APPROVE THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2, 2, 9 6 TO PROHIBIT PUBLIC URINATION AND DEFECATION BY AMENDING CHAPTER 62 MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES IN LEG. JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES AS PRESENTED. ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCIL HANYA. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. Y'ALL'S NAMES WILL BE FOREVER TIED TO THIS MEETING. , IT'S A GOOD ONE. HEY, AT I AGE YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE PAST . ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? STATE CALLS ANYWHERE. UH, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, THE NEXT ONE IS ITEM [6. Discuss and review a draft ordinance prohibiting open containers of alcohol and public consumption of alcohol in the downtown area. – Sherri Russell] SIX, DISCUSS AND REVIEW OF DRAFT ORDINANCE PROHIBITING OPEN CONTAINERS OF ALCOHOL AND PUBLIC CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. SPECIFIC AREA. CAN DRINK DETAINED FEET. MODESTO GONNA READ THE ORDINANCE. NO, IT'S, THIS IS JUST THE DRAFT. OH, THIS IS THE DRAFT. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST DRAFT. ALRIGHT. IT'S NOT THE FIRST READING. ALRIGHT. I'VE ALREADY, UM, I'VE ALREADY MADE NOTES ABOUT THINGS THAT I WANNA MAKE MORE CLEAR, LIKE DEFINITIONS AND STUFF. OKAY. UM, IF Y'ALL SEE ANYTHING ELSE IN THERE THAT IS UNCLEAR, THIS CONFIRMS TO ALL TT A, B, C REGULATIONS AND DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ANYTHING. NO, THIS IS ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE FEW THINGS THAT ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CODE ACTUALLY SAYS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS CAN DO THIS. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHY THE ODD EXCEPTION IN D IT DOESN'T APPLY TO, UM, MOTOR VEHICLES, BUILDINGS NOT OWNED BY US. YOUR HOUSE. THAT'S, THAT'S SPECIFICALLY STATED IN THAT, IN THAT LAW. YEAH. AND WHENEVER I FIRST READ THAT, I, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WAS TRYING TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS THAT, THE CONSEQUENCES. SO I THOUGHT ABOUT, WELL WE DO HAVE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN THAT SELL HERE. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, TO TAKE HOME LIKE WALGREENS AND OH YEAH. AND CVS. BUT SO, SO BUYING IT IN THE STORE AND TAKING IT TO YOUR CAR, YOU CAN DO IT BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. WELL, AND IT'S NOT AND IT'S NOT OPEN. YOU CAN'T, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN IT ON THEIR PROPERTY. THEY DON'T, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF A LICENSE. SO, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT THE DEFINITION OF AN OPEN CONTAINER. GO TO THAT AND IT SAYS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT, THAT HAS A CAP, FLASK, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, MEANS AN UNSEALED CONTAINER. OKAY. THAT HAS, ALRIGHT, SO DURING COVID RESTAURANTS STARTED ALLOWING YOU TO TAKE MIXED DRINKS HOME, THEY WERE SEALED. THEY WERE, YEAH. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, AND TEXAS STATE LAW HAS CONTINUE THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THEY'RE GOOD. I ANSWERED MY QUESTION. SEAL. YEAH. I'M GONNA DEFINE PUBLIC PLACE AND UM, JUST USE THE STATE DEFINITION OF IT. OKAY. SO ANYBODY HAVE A CONCERN OR A QUESTION ABOUT, AND THEN IF Y'ALL COULD LOOK AT THE EXCEPTION, THE SPECIAL EVENTS AND OKAY. I'VE PUT, UM, THE APPLICANT HAS ONE DATE AND TIME PERIOD. HE, THIS ISN'T BY ME. CONTINUING EXCEPTION. RIGHT. UH, THE, UM, THE AREA IS GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF BARRICADES AROUND IT, WHICH WE REQUIRE ALREADY. AND, UH, I, THIS ISN'T, I PUT THIS IN THAT, UH, THE NUMBER OF DRINKS A, A LIMIT LIMIT. THE NUMBER OF DRINKS. I JUST REMEMBER THE PERSON WHO CAME BEFORE US WAS JUST GIVING OUT LIKE TWO TICKETS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID AT CONFERENCES. FIELD STATION TICKETS. FIELD STATION USED TO DO THAT. YEAH. I DON'T, AND UH, I DIDN'T SAY WHAT NUMBER OF DRINKS AND THEN, UM, SECURITY. SECURITY, THAT'S CHECKING TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO PI OR THERE'S NO UNDERAGE, SO THAT'S NOT GONNA [01:55:01] INTERFERE WITH OUR OUTSIDE. OH, THERE'S A MAP CALLED PATIO. SCROLL TO THE MAP. UH, OUTSIDE, UH, PLAZA. NO, NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'VE ALREADY GOTTEN, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE CITY TO USE THOSE. NO, BASICALLY IT'S NOT IN THAT BARRIER. IT'S, IT'S CARVED OUT. YEAH. SEE HOW IT GOES RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE CIVIC CENTER? IT'S, THAT'S CARVED OUT. NO, HE'S TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, WORST HOUSE AND OH, I HAVE SIDEWALK CAFES IS AN EXCEPTION IN HERE. WELL, AREN'T YOU ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE, THIS THE PLACE WHERE THEY ON THE PLAZAS. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE, UM, THE PLACE WHERE THE FARMER'S MARKET GOES? THEY WOULD NEED TO GET AN EVENT. OKAY. ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENT THINGS IF THEY WANTED TO THAT SPECIAL EVENT REQUEST. YEAH. SO REQUIREMENT OF SECURITY IS NOT IN HERE, RIGHT? YEAH, IT IS IN, IT'S NOT, IT'S THE LAST, IT'S THE VERY LAST THING. YEAH. NUMBER FOUR. FOUR SECURITY PRO. OKAY. I SEE. THEN APPROPRIATE SECURITY AND FOR THE, I MEAN THE SOUTH PARKING PLACE HAS ITS OWN PROVISIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO RENT THAT SPACE AS WELL. YEAH, WELL JUST, I MEAN, WE'LL HAVE TO ENFORCE IT THERE, BUT WE KNOW WHO'S GONNA BE THERE AND WE TELL 'EM IF, IF PEOPLE ARE DRINKING. YEAH. SO IF, SAY IF, UH, UH, THE EVENING, UH, ROTARY CLUB, THEY USE, UH, THAT FACILITY, SOUTH PARKING PLACE, LOCATION MM-HMM . FOR THEIR ANNUAL, UH, CRAWFISH BULL AND STUFF. SO IF THEY WANT TO, THEY CAN'T SELL BEER, IS THAT CORRECT? IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE, THEY'D TO HAVE, IF THEY HAVE A TEMPORARY LICENSE, THEN THEY USUALLY HAVE TO THEN, BUT THEY HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM US TO BE ABLE TO, TO DO CORRECT THAT. OKAY. ROBIN IS THE, UH, SOFTBALL AND KICKBALL AND ALL OF THEM LIKE TO HAVE ALCOHOL OUT THERE WHILE THERE AND THE PARKS? YES. YES. THEY, THEY CAN, UM, WE, WE DO IN THE PARKS, IT, IT'S FAIRLY DIFFICULT TO GET THE SECURITY AND WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THAT A LONG TIME AGO, BUT WE DO CHARGE AN, UM, AN ADDITIONAL FEE IF YOU HAVE ALCOHOL OR SO MANY PEOPLE, IT'S A $250 DEPOSIT AND IT'S NOT REFUNDED IF WE GET CALLED OUT OR POLICE GET CALLED OUT OR IF THERE'S ANY ISSUES. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYTHING IN OUR PARKS. IT'S A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THAN JUST THE WEEKEND LEAGUES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, OR WHATEVER. YOU, YOU CAN AT THE SOFTBALL FIELDS, THERE'S NO RULES IN OUR PARKS. SOMEBODY WANTS US TO PULL UP AND WATCH OUR KID PLAY SOFT SOCCER. THEY CAN SIT ON THE SIDELINE WITH A ICE CHEST WOULD AND DRINK A BEER RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THEY NOW THE LEAD, THE YOUTH LEAGUES THE LEAGUE MAY SAY SOMETHING. THE, THE YOUTH LEAGUES DO HAVE SOME RULES AGAINST THAT. BUT YOU SAID THAT I, I HEAR PEOPLE SAY THE CHRISTIAN CUP . OH YEAH. YOU KNOW, THEN IS PASSED THE OFFERING AROUND. YEAH. THE, UH, SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, THE, THE OTHER REASON WHY, BECAUSE IF I GET IT CORRECT, IS AGAIN, THE REASON WHY WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE, THIS SPECIFIC AREA IS BECAUSE WE HAVE DOCUMENTED ISSUES WITH OPEN CONTAINERS AND THINGS THAT THIS IS ADDRESSING. SO IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE PROBLEMS ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, WE CAN IF CREATE THAT AS A DISTRICT JUST LIKE THIS IS, UM, YOU'D, YOU'D HAVE TO, IT'S A CENTRAL, CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT CENTRAL. I MEAN, YOU CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. RIGHT. BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A PLACE WHERE BUSINESS HAPPENS. BUSINESS SIZE. I WAS GONNA SAY, EVEN WHEN THEY RENT SOUTH PARKING PLACE, YOU ARE CONFINED TO THAT AREA. NO, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE THAT, SO LIKE, YOU CAN'T JUST GET UP AND, OKAY, I'M GONNA WALK OVER HERE AND GO TAKE MY BEER. YOU'RE AT, IT'S LIKE A PARK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THERE, SO YOU'RE CONFINED TO A CERTAIN AREA AND THEY DO HAVE SECURITY EACH TIME. WHAT? THEY RENT THAT AND THEY HAVE ALCOHOL, SO, SO, SO, SO THE NEW STUDIO HOTEL, YOU CAN'T SIT OUT IN THE PARKING LOT AND ENJOY WHAT? NEW STUDIO HOTEL. OH, TWO SUITE KNOW. WAIT, STAY TWO. YEAH. HOW? OH, SUITE. THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA? YEAH. MM-HMM . THAT'S, THAT'S NOT HERE. OKAY. I THOUGHT IT WAS INSIDE THE PATIO AND DRINK. MM. THIS IS WHAT, IT'S A VERY CONCENTRATED SMALL AREA, WHICH IS WHAT'S ENVISIONED IN THOSE STATUTES. OKAY. BUT IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT ANY BUSINESSES OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA. THIS ORDINANCE DOES THAT. UH, NO. RIGHT. IT'S JUST THE BUSINESS IS INSIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, THE BUSINESS IS OUTSIDE BANKS AND GOVERNMENT AND, UH, RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS IS GOING US A DRAFT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DIRECTION FROM US OR DO YOU WANT US TO, I DON'T IF Y'ALL JUST, IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING, ANY CHANGES, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I'LL BRING IT BACK AS FIRST READING. SO, DIRECTION FROM US IS GO FORTH AND BRING US A GO FORTH AND DO GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO WE CAN'T SET ON A TAILGATE LIKE WE USED TO DO BACK IN THE DAY ON CHRISTIAN. HUH? I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE. OKAY. [02:00:02] UH, NOW [7. Discuss the code enforcement violation process involving property owner notification. – David Walton] WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON TO ITEM SEVEN. DISCUSS THE, UH, CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION PROCESS INVOLVING PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFICATIONS. MAY BACK SOMETHING WE REQUESTED. YES. GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, YOU DID REQUEST THAT WE, UM, UH, OUTLINE TO COUNSEL WHAT OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS WAS WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH A RENTAL PROPERTY. UM, IS, UH, WE DID PUT TOGETHER A, UH, BULLET POINT PRESENTATION IN THE COUNCIL COMMUNICATION. UH, YOU'LL SEE IT IS UP ON THE, UM, OH, THERE IT IS. IT, IT IS UP ON THE SCREEN. THE FIRST ITEM, JUNK VEHICLES IS THE ONLY ONE WHERE WE'RE MANDATED BY STATE LAW AS TO HOW WE ADDRESS THAT ON A FIRST NOTIFICATION OF VIOLATION FOR A JUNK VEHICLE, WHICH CAN BE A VEHICLE THAT IS, UM, EITHER DISABLED NOT RUNNING OR HAS EXPIRED TAGS UNDERNEATH OUR ORDINANCE, WE DO SEND A LETTER TO THE OWNER OF THE VEHICLE, TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. IT'S SITTING ON AND TO ANY LIEN HOLDER OF RECORD, UH, THAT THE VEHICLE IS A JUNK VEHICLE. AND WE DO DICTATE A TIMEFRAME BY WHICH THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO 10 DAYS, UM, WE HAVE TO SEND CERTIFIED MAILINGS TO ALL THOSE PARTIES AFTER 10 DAYS OF, WITH A POST RECEIPT FOR THE CERTIFIED MAILING. THEN, UM, IF IT HAS NOT BEEN ABATED, WE'LL DO A SECOND, UH, NOTIFICATION WITH 10 DAYS. AND AGAIN, THIS IS DICTATED BY STATE LAW. THE PROCESS TO REMOVE A JUNK VEHICLE CANNOT BE ANY LESS THAN 30 DAYS. SO THEY 30 DAYS FROM THE TIME WE IDENTIFY THAT, THAT IT'S AN ISSUE AND MAKE NOTIFICATION AT THE, THE TIME THAT WE CAN ABATE THAT, UH, WE DO ABATE IT BY HAVING THE VEHICLE REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY. UM, AND UNDER STATE LAW, THAT VEHICLE CANNOT BE RETURNED BACK TO ROAD SERVICE IF THE CITY THAT DOES AN ABATEMENT TALL GRASS AND WEEDS. UM, WE DO, THIS IS A CITY ORDINANCE. WE DO SEND A LETTER OF VIOLATION TO THE TENANT THROUGH REGULAR MAIL AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNER BY CERTIFIED MAIL THAT THERE IS A TALL GRASS AND WEEDS, UH, ISSUE ON THE PROPERTY. UH, WE DON'T TYPICALLY ISSUE US A, A VIOLATION ON THE FIRST NOTIFICATION, BUT THE ORDINANCE DOES MANDATE THAT WE SEND A WRITTEN NOTIFICATION THAT YOUR GRASS GROWS WHEN THE SUN'S OUT. UM, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT PEOPLE SHOULD RE REALIZE THE GRASS GROWS WHEN THE SUN'S OUT A ANY SECOND OR SUBSEQUENT VIOLATION. WE POST A THREE DAY NOTICE ON THE SITE. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY NOTIFICATIONS PASSED THAT. AND WE CAN HAVE OUR CONTRACTOR ABATE THAT. UH, IF WE DO FIND THAT THEY CONTINUALLY ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF IT, WE WILL ISSUE CITATIONS, UM, TO THE, UH, TENANT AND CAN ISSUE CITATIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. NUMBER THREE, FOR ACCUMULATION, UH, WE DO SEND A NOTIFICATION TO THE TENANT AND A CERTIFIED LETTER TO THE OWNER THAT THERE IS A, A MASS OF, OF ITEMS THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED AROUND A PROPERTY AFTER 10 DAYS, IF THAT PROGRESS HASN'T BEEN MADE, WE WILL ISSUE A CITATION TO THE TENANT AND WE'LL SEND A SECOND LETTER TO THE OWNER REMINDING THEM THAT THEY ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONDITION OF THAT PROPERTY. WE ALWAYS TRY AND WORK WITH THE TENANTS TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THAT. SOMETIMES PROGRESS CAN TAKE A WHILE DEPENDING ON THE NATURE OF THE ACCUMULATION, THE AMOUNT OF ACCUMULATION, AND IN SOME CASES, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH OR ABILITY OF THAT, UH, OCCUPANT OF, OF THE PROPERTY. UM, IF, UH, IF PROGRESS IS BEING MADE, WE TYPICALLY WON'T PURSUE FURTHER ENFORCEMENT UNLESS PROGRESS STOPS, IN WHICH CASE THEN WE WILL ISSUE CITATIONS TO THE TENANT AND HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE CI CITATIONS TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. YARD PARKING, WHICH IS NUMBER FOUR, UH, WE SEND A LETTER, IT'S REGULAR MAIL TO THE TENANT, AND WE ALSO STICKER THE VEHICLE. THIS IS THE ONE ITEM THAT WE DON'T AUTOMATICALLY SEND SOMETHING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. TYPICALLY, THAT NOTIFICATION ON THE CAR IS ENOUGH TO GET THEM TO MAKE, TO REMOVE THAT CAR OFF THE PROPERTY, OR SORRY, OFF THE LAWN. RIGHT. SO AFTER 48 HOURS, IF THE CAR IS STILL THERE AT THAT POINT, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND A SECOND VIOLATION TO THE TENANT AND AN INITIAL NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. I HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE WHERE THE NOTIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH IS SENT CERTIFIED REMINDS, LETS THEM KNOW AS A COURTESY THAT, THAT THEIR TENANT IS PARKING ON THE GRASS AND THAT IT IS A VIOLATION, AND THEN REMINDS THEM THAT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR ENSURING THEIR TENANT ADHERES TO ALL CITY ORDINANCES. UM, AFTER, UH, SEVEN DAYS FROM THE INITIAL IDENTIFICATION OF THE VIOLATION, THEN WE'LL ISSUE A CITATION TO THE TENANT, UH, AFTER 14 DAYS FROM THE INITIAL VIOLATION. THEN WE'LL, I CAN ALSO ISSUE A CITATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR NOT ENFORCING THAT ON THE TENANT. AS FAR AS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS CONCERNED, WHICH IS NUMBER FIVE, THAT GOES STRAIGHT TO THE [02:05:01] OWNER OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY WITH TIMEFRAMES BY WHICH THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF ITEMS, FIRE AND LIFT SAFETY ITEMS, WE TYPICALLY GIVE THEM 24 HOURS TO ADDRESS. IF IT'S A SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU'VE GOT FECES ON THE GROUND BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS REMOVED THAT CAP, OR THERE'S A BUSTED LINE. THAT'S SOMETHING THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO TAKE CARE OF IMMEDIATELY. UM, AND THEN WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. BUT AFTER 10 DAYS, WE GIVE THEM 10 DAYS FOR NON-LIFE SAFETY ITEMS FOR THEM TO START REPAIRS, UH, THE TIMEFRAMES BY, UM, FOR REPAIRS. SOME OF THOSE ARE DICTATED BY TEXAS PROPERTY CODE AS WELL AS NOTIFICATIONS. SO, BUT OUR CITY ORDINANCE CONTROLS HOW WE DO THAT, THAT NOTIFICATIONS, UH, WE CAN GIVE CITATIONS FOR NON-COMPLIANCE OF, OF REPAIRS IF WE PLAN A PROPERTY OWNER IS JUST NOT TAKEN CARE OF OF THAT PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, UM, LET'S START AT THE BOTTOM ON THE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE AND STUFF. AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A SEWER LINE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT SOME POINT, IF THEY DON'T FIX IT, DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND FIX IT AND CHARGE THEM BACK? OR DO WE REMOVE THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUP ARCHITECTURE? NO, AT, AT THAT POINT, UH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HEALTH ISSUE. SO AS FAR AS THE HEALTH, THE HEALTH IS ISSUE IS CONCERNED, WE DO HAVE REMEDIES AVAILABLE TO US. ONE WOULD BE TO DISCONNECT UTILITY, BECAUSE IF YOU DISCONNECT WATER SERVICE TO THAT PROPERTY, THEN YOU STOP, YOU STOP THE OVERFLOW OF SEWAGE ONTO THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE GONNA BUY A BUNCH OF BOTTLED WATER IN FOR THEIR SEWAGE POOL. THAT MIGHT BE ONE REALLY EXPENSIVE WAY TO DO IT. BUT NO, I THINK IF WE WERE TO, AND I WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH, WITH SHERRY ON THIS, I BELIEVE IF WE WERE TO GO IN THERE AND DIG ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY TO MAKE THAT REPAIR, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A WARRANT TO DO SO. UM, IN WHICH CASE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE ENTERED INTO A DIFFERENT AVENUE OF, OF ADMINISTRATIVE ENFORCEMENT AND THE ITEMS MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING AT PATIA, WHERE AN ICE CHEST IN THE FRONT YARD MM-HMM . WHICH OF COURSE WAS NOT A VIOLATION. THERE WAS NO ONE TO NEEDED TO BE VIOLATED, I MEAN, TO VIOLATE, TO BE NOTIFIED. THE OTHER ONE WAS YARD PARKING, WHICH RIGHT NOW DAVID'S IDENTIFIED THAT THE, IT ONLY REQUIRES TO NOTIFY THE TENANT AND NOT THE OWNER. AND THEN THE LAST ONE OUT OF WAS THE BIG RIG PARKED AT A RESIDENCE. YES. SO IN THOSE CASES, WHEN YOU DO RUN INTO A COMMERCIAL PARKING THING, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF THOSE, WE WOULD, UH, AT THAT POINT TREAT THAT VERY SIMILAR AS WE WOULD, UH, YARD PARK. AND WE WOULD JUST ASK THE TENANT TO START, PLEASE REMOVE THE BIG RIG OR THE TOW TRUCK, THE WRECKER OFF THE PROPERTY, OR OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE. IF THAT DID NOT, UH, UH, GET ANY ACTION, THEN WE WOULD NOTIFY THE OWNER BY CERTIFIED MAIL. BUT RIGHT THERE, IT'S WHERE IT, IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC THAT THEY'RE NOTIFIED. NO. AT THE SAME TIME, AND, AND AGAIN, WE, WE ADDRESS THE, THE FIVE ITEMS WHICH WE WOULD MOST COMMONLY FIND. THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS THAT, THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A, A, A REGULAR BASIS. MOST OF THOSE WILL TRY AND WORK DIRECTLY WITH THE, THE TENANT AS THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS IN NATURE. BUT, UH, FOR SOME WHERE, WHERE IT COULD, WHERE IT DOES END UP BEING PERHAPS A DESTRUCTION TO THE PROPERTY OR A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS OR A, UM, A DEGRADATION OF THE, THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE WILL DEFINITELY GET THE OWNER INVOLVED. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS ON AGAIN, UH, WORKING BOTTOM WITH THE PARKING YARD PARKING STUFF. THE LAST BULLET POINT IS, YOU MENTIONED THAT A SECOND CITATION MAY BE ISSUED TO THE TENANT IN THE FIRST, SO WHY ARE WE SAYING MAY INSTEAD OF WE WILL, THERE COULD BE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES AS FAR AS THE, THE, UH, UH, VEHICLE IS, IS CONCERNED IN SUCH CASES WHERE THE VEHICLE MIGHT NOT BE OPERABLE, IT MAY, MAY TAKE THEM A LITTLE LONGER TO GET IT OFF THE GRASS, OR IF THEY, UH, THE VEHICLE DOESN'T BELONG TO THEM. AND MAYBE IT MIGHT BE A SERVICE PERSON THAT'S, THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, DEPLOYED. BUT WE'LL DO OUR VERY BEST TO WORK WITH THAT, THOSE TENANTS AND THE OWNER TO GET THE ORDINANCE ADHERED TO. WE USE THE WORD MAKE 'CAUSE IT DOES ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY, UH, FOR CAUSE TO WORK WITH, WITH A, A TENANT OR OWNER. AND SOMEWHERE IN HERE IT SAID THAT A CITATION WOULD GO TO, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS, WOULD GO TO A, A TENANT, BUT NOT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND AGAIN, OUR, OUR FOCUS WAS, IS WE NEED TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER INVOLVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY CAN TRY TO RESOLVE IT. UH, AND AT THE SAME TIME, IS, IS THAT MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT IF THE THE OWNER DOESN'T TAKE, TAKE, UH, ACTION IS THAT THEY WILL GET FILED. THEY'LL, BECAUSE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, THE BAD ONES, YOU, THEY [02:10:01] WON'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU HIT THEIR POCKETBOOK. YES. SO AS FAR AS ISSUING CITATIONS IS CONCERNED, THERE'S A, A STATE PROCESS BY WHICH WE HAVE TO ADHERE TO. WE CANNOT ISSUE A CITATION TO A CORPORATION OR A BUSINESS. I HAVE TO ISSUE A CITATION TO A, A BODIED INDIVIDUAL, UM, ON SITE. WE COULD SEND CITATIONS BY CERTIFIED MAIL, BUT AGAIN, I HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO SEND THE CITATION TO. SO IF WE RUN INTO AN OWNER, WHICH IS, UM, X, Y, AND Z, LAND TRUST OR FAMILY TRUST, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A, A PERSON'S NAME ATTACHED TO IT, THAT WOULD INCLUDES ADDITIONAL RESEARCH TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT WHO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT, SO THIS IS PROCEDURAL AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE, WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID, UH, BRING THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER INTO THE EQUATION QUICKER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I UNDERSTAND YOU WERE IN TRAINING OR SOMETHING. I'M IN SCHOOL TODAY. COOL. AH, ARE YOU SKIPPING? SKIP? YEAH. ALRIGHT. UH, THAT WAS, UH, ITEM SEVEN. SO WE'RE GONNA [8. Discussion with possible action to proceed with the liquidated damages in the amount of $108,000 to the constructor MC2 Civil for the Downtown Revitalization, Phase-3 project and release the final retainage amount of $273,648.65. - Riazul Mia] JUMP TO ITEM EIGHT. SO ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSS, UH, WITH, UH, POSSIBLE DISCUSSION WITH POSSIBLE ACTION TO PROCEED WITH THE LIQUIDATION DAMAGES IN THE AMOUNT OF $108,000 TO THE CONSTRUCTOR MC SQUARE, UH, UH, CIVIL FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PHASE THREE PROJECT AND RELEASE THE FINAL RETAINING AMOUNT OF, UH, $273,648 AND 65 CENTS. MR. MIA? YES, MR. MAYOR. UM, THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN THEY CAME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CONTRACTOR, YOU HAD CREATED A COMMITTEE. SO STAFF MET WITH BOTH COUNCILWOMAN, SETH, AND COUNCILMAN BROUGHT US AND MAYOR YOU AND CITY MANAGER, AND PROVIDED ALL THE INFORMATION. AND AFTER THAT, THE COMMITTEE DECIDED TO KEEP THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGE AMOUNT. I KNOW THE, THE CONTRACTOR AND THEIR ATTORNEYS ARE HERE. AND SO YEAH, WE ARE REQUESTING, SINCE THE COMMITTEE MET, WE REQUEST HIM TO KEEP THE SAME AMOUNT. SO IF, IF WE CAN AS WE'LL, GO AHEAD AND IF Y'ALL WANNA SPEAK YOU, YOU CAN SPEAK AND, UH, SHARE WITH YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO AND THEN WE'LL PROCEED. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS ADAM ROBERTSON. I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE LAW FIRM, ANDREWS MEYERS. ANDREWS MEYERS WAS STARTED 35 YEARS AGO, SOLELY PRACTICING CONSTRUCTION LAW. AND SINCE THEN, WE HAVE GROWN TO BE, UH, THE LARGEST, ONE OF THE LARGEST, IF NOT THE LARGEST CONSTRUCTION LAW FIRM IN TEXAS. UH, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPRESENT A VARIETY OF INDIVIDUALS AND ENTITIES IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY OVER THOSE 35 YEARS. UH, CONTRACTORS, OWNERS, SUBCONTRACTORS, SUPPLIERS, VENDORS. UM, TODAY I STAND BEFORE YOU REPRESENTING MC SQUARED. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LOOKED ALL THROUGH THE FILE. YOU HAVE REVIEWED THE INFORMATION, SO I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY REHASH ALL OF THAT, BUT I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND BEFORE YOU WROTE A VOTE ON, UM, I HAVE NUMBER EIGHT. SEE, MC SQUARED IS A WELL-KNOWN AND REPUTABLE HEAVY CIVIL CONTRACTOR. UH, THEY ARE KNOWN THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, AS SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW, IS VERY SMALL, TIGHT KNIT. UM, AND IT DOES HAVE DISCUSSIONS AMONGST EACH OTHER. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, AMONGST THE HEAVY CIVIL CONTRACTOR COMMUNITY, BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS JOB AND THE PAYMENTS THAT MC SQUARED, UH, IS OWED, UM, AS YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT WAS THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PHASE THREE. AS YOU KNOW, MC SQUARE COMPLETED THAT JOB, PROVIDED THAT JOB TO THE CITY IN GOOD FASHION. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT DELAYS AND WHATNOT. HOWEVER, IF THE CITY IS TO PROCEED WITH ITS ACTION HERE TODAY AND ASSESS LIQUIDATED DAMAGES AGAINST MC SQUARED, IT IS FORCING MC SQUARE'S HANDS IN THIS SITUATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO A LAWSUIT THAT'S NOT HERE TO BE A THREAT. THAT IS NOT HERE TO BE A CHEST THUMPING. THAT IS HERE TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS THE NATURAL PROGRESSION OF THIS MATTER BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL. AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU HAVE DEALT WITH LAWSUITS IN SOME CAPACITY. UM, WHETHER YOUR BUSINESS IS YOUR BEING ON THE COUNCIL OR OTHERWISE, AND I'M SURE ALL OF YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT LITIGATION IS NOT QUICK. IT IS TIME CONSUMING. IT'S EXPENSIVE, AND IT, AND THIS SITUATION, IT DOES EXPOSE THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON TO SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY MORE THAN $108,000 THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IN THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE DAMAGES AND WITH THE LIABILITY FOR THE CITY. SO WHEN THEY DO MAKE THEIR DECISION, THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION. DON'T, DON'T GIVE THEM ADVICE ON LIABILITY. THEY HAVE A [02:15:01] LAWYER. I'M NOT GIVING YOU ADVICE. I'M TELLING YOU INFORMATION AND THINGS THAT YOU SHOULD CONSIDER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT. I DON'T REPRESENT YOU. I'M NOT YOUR COUNSEL. I THINK THAT IS UNDERSTOOD. FIRST, I WANNA TALK ABOUT GOING INTO LAWSUIT. THE DAMAGES, WHICH IS THE LIABILITY, THE LIABILITY EXPOSURE IN THE SITUATION. RIGHT NOW, MC SQUARED IS CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE OWED 251 DAYS OF EXTENDED GENERAL CONDITIONS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS 66 DAYS. THAT WAS SCOPE OF WORK CHANGE. THAT WAS NOT IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT WITHIN MC SQUARE'S CONTROL. THERE WAS 120 DAYS IN WHICH THERE WAS A DELAY IN RECEIVING INFORMATION AND RESPONSES TO RFIS OR REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION TO ALLOW MC SQUARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR PROGRESS. THOSE WERE DELAYS, AGAIN, NOT WITHIN THEIR CONTROL. THERE WAS 19 DAYS OF SCHEDULING ISSUES THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED. UH, IT WAS NOT UNDER THEIR CONTROL. AND, AND LASTLY, THERE WAS 46 DAYS OF WEATHER THAT DID NOT ALLOW WORK. ANOTHER ITEM THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED IN THEIR CONTROL. AND I KEEP SAYING NOT ALLOWED IN THEIR CONTROL FOR A CERTAIN REASON UNDER THE CONTRACT WITH THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, ANY DELAYS IN THE CONSTRUCTION THAT IS NOT WITHIN THE CONTROL OF MC TWO. IT IS OUR POSITION AND IT'S SECTION 4.05. THEY ARE ENTITLED TO NOT ONLY A CONTRACT CHANGE IN THE DURATION OR TIME, BUT ALSO PRICE THE EXACT SECTION. IT SAYS IF THE OWNER, ENGINEER, OR ANYONE FOR WHOM OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE DELAYS, DISRUPTS OR INTERFERES WITH PERFORMANCE OR PROGRESS OF THE WORK, THEN CONTRACTOR SHALL NOT, MAY SHALL BE ENTITLED TO AN EQUITABLE ADJUSTMENT IN THE CONTRACT TIMES AND PRICE. NOW, PRICE IS DEFINED UNDER ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE EXTENDED GENERAL CONDITIONS. NOW WE'RE CLAIMING 251 DAYS. SO THAT'S THE HIGH END OF THE THRESHOLD IF WE HAVE TO GO TO LITIGATION. BUT WE KNOW THE BOTTOM IS NOT ZERO BECAUSE THE CITY HAS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE WAS 150 DAYS OF DELAYS THAT WAS NOT MC SQUARE'S, UH, CAUSE IT WAS CAUSED BY SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THEIR CONTROL. AND IT WAS 25 DAYS FOR SCOPE OF WORK. IT WAS 60 DAYS FOR SLOW, UH, RESPONSES TO REQUEST FOR INFORMATION. 19 DAYS FOR SCHEDULING ISSUES AND 46 DAYS FOR WEATHER. THE WEATHER WAS ESSENTIALLY GIVEN A HUNDRED PERCENT CREDIT FOR. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. BUT THAT MEANS IF YOU, AND IN THE 158 DAYS, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND YOU GAVE US, UM, TIME, BUT YOU DID NOT GIVE US PRICE. YOU DID NOT GIVE US A CONTRACT ADJUSTMENT. BY ACKNOWLEDGING THESE 150 DAYS, YOU HAVE SET THE, THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD THAT WE ARE GONNA CLAIM IF WE HAVE TO GO IN THIS LAWSUIT IS OWED TO US AND $150 AT THE EXTENDED GENERAL CONDITIONS PRICE AS WE SIT HERE TODAY OF ROUGHLY $1,200 PER DAY TOTALS, UH, $182,000 IF WE WERE TO PREVAIL AT LITIGATION AT 250 DAYS, THAT'S APPROXIMATELY $300,000. THAT'S ON THE TABLE THERE. NOW, ANOTHER BIG THING I I DO WANNA CONSIDER THAT WOULD BE IN ANY LAWSUIT IS THE ISSUE OF LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IS A VERY TOUGH CLAUSE TO ENFORCE IN STATE OF TEXAS, YOU KNOW, IS GETTING TO ADVISE. I DON'T WANT YOU TALKING TO MY COUNSEL ANYMORE. THIS IS, THIS IS ENOUGH. I'VE TALKED TO THEM. THEY KNOW ALL THIS STUFF. YOU DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS TO THEM. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF ATTORNEY CLIENT RIGHT NOW. IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR, I'M NOT YOUR ATTORNEY. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING YOU'VE SAID TO YOUR, YOUR COUNSEL. I WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND HOW DIFFICULT UNDERSTAND LIQUIDATE DAMAGE CLAUSES ARE. UNDERSTAND, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO THREATEN YOU. ALSO, I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S VERY CLEAR FOR THE COUNSEL. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE HERE FROM THAT POSITION, BUT I WILL STOP TALKING YEAH. BY ADVICE OF OUR COUNSEL. NEED TO ASK YOU TO SIT, SIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. UH, I JUST ASK THAT YOU DO CONSIDER THIS AND NOT PASS THIS, UH, ITEM EIGHT TODAY AND ALLOW MORE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL? ANY, THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE? ANYBODY WANNA SAY ANYTHING? ADVICE, COMMENTS TO COUNCIL GIVEN THAT IN YOUR RECOMMENDATION? ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION, COUNSEL? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT, SO, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM HERE. ITEM EIGHT, MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD THE CONTRACT. OH, IT'S A LONG ONE TO, TO PROCEED WITH THE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES IN THE AMOUNT OF 108,000 TO THE CONSTRUCT, UH, CON CONTRACTOR MC TWO SYBIL FOR THE DOWNTOWN REVITALIZATION PHASE THREE PROJECT AND RELEASE THE FINAL, UH, RETAINAGE AMOUNT OF 2 73, 6 48 AND 65 CENTS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE GET [02:20:01] A COMPLETE RE RELEASE OF LAND WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE GET A COMPLETE RELEASE OF LIENS. OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SET. I'LL SECOND WE A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BROS. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNSEL? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, MOVE [9. Award a contract to Cold River Concrete for the Old Angleton Road Bridge repair for $97,056 with a not to exceed budget amount of $120,000. – Sal Aguirre] ON TO ITEM. UH, ALRIGHT. AWARD OF CONTRACT TO COLD RIVER CONCRETE FOR THE OLD TON ROAD BRIDGE REPAIR FOR $97,056 WITH A NOT TO EXCEED BUDGET AMOUNT OF 120,000. SAL, TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OUTTA THE ROOM. OH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, WE BID BACK IN NOVEMBER, UH, AND WE ONLY HAD TWO, UH, TWO BIDS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. UH, ONE, WE HAD SOME PREVIOUS, UH, SOME PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE WITH THE OTHER ONE DID NOT. SO HAPPENED THAT THE ONE THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH WAS THE, IS THE APPARENT LOW BIDDER. SO, UH, GIVEN THAT CONDITION, WE, UH, WE HAD TO DO SOMEWHAT OF AN EX EXTENSIVE TYPE OF, UH, VETTING, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE, THIS PARTICULAR CON UH, CONTRACTOR HAD THE, UH, AT LEAST THE EXPERTISE OF WORKING UNDER THEIR, UNDER THE CONDITIONS THAT THIS, UH, PROJECT HAS, WHICH IS, UH, BEING RIGHT, UH, EXPOSED TO THE TRAFFIC, UH, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SINCE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE, UH, MOST OF THE WORK IS GONNA, MOST OF THE ACTUAL WORK IS GONNA BE, UH, TAKE IS GONNA BE HAPPENING UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE OF THE BRIDGE, BUT STILL THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE USING EQUIPMENT THAT IS GONNA BE SUSPENDING, UH, THE PEOPLE FROM, FROM TOP OF THE DECK THERE. SO WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE HAD THE RIGHT AND PROPER EQUIPMENT. THEY WERE, UH, PROPERLY TRAINED FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR OPERATION AND TO HAVE THE PROPER TRAFFIC CONTROL. SO, UH, GIVEN ALL THAT, WE FINALLY, UH, THEY FINALLY SATISFIED US THAT THEY, THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO DO, UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND WE ARE NOW RECOMMENDING THAT WE APPROVE, UH, THEIR BID OF $97,000, UH, UH, FOR THE CONTRACT WITH A NOT TO EXCEED A ONE 20, THE ONE, THE, THE DIFFERENCE BEING THE FACT THAT THE REPORT THAT WE WORKED THIS CONTRACT FROM WAS THE, UH, 23, UH, TDOT, UH, BRIDGE REPORT THAT CAME TO US THAT SH THAT THAT REQUIRED US, THAT THEY WOULD, THAT, UH, THAT WE, THAT THEY WERE GONNA BE CHANGING THE, THE LOAD RATING BASED ON THAT, UH, THAT PROBLEM ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, WITH THOSE BENTS THERE. UH, WHEN, UH, AS WE WERE DOING THE ACTUAL REVIEWING OF THE CONTRACTOR, WE RECEIVED THE SECOND OR THE 24, UH, TRA, UH, BRIDGE REPORT. AND IN THAT ONE, THEY SINGLED OUT THIS PARTICULAR ADDITIONAL ITEM THAT ORIGINALLY HAD NOT BEEN REALLY BROUGHT UP TO, TO CONCERN OF CONCERN BY T STOP. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THEY GAVE IT A, A, A, A LOWER, LOWER RATING THIS TIME AROUND. SO WE DECIDED THAT BEING THE FACT THAT WE WERE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE HERE ON THE FIELD DOING SOME WORK IN THE BRIDGE THERE, THAT IT WAS THE, THE PROPER TIME TO, TO ALSO HANDLE THAT PROJECT THERE. AND, UH, OUR ENGINEERED, OUR DESIGN ENGINEER GAVE US A FIGURE AND THAT FIGURE WAS ADDED TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, AMOUNTING TO THIS $120,000. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDED THAT WE APPROVE THE COAL RIVER TO, TO DO BOTH. I MEAN, BOTH DO THE PROPER, THE REPAIR TO THE, OKAY. ANYBODY AND MR. MAYOR, WE MET WITH THE CONTRACTOR TWICE. WE TOLD THEM THEY CANNOT CLOSE THE BRIDGE. IT HAS TO BE ONE LANE OPEN, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE FLAGGER. SO WE ARE SATISFIED, THAT'S WHY WE'RE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL. SO WE'LL HAVE OUR OWN PERFORMANCE OF SURFACE LANE WHEN WE SWING UNDERNEATH THERE. YEAH. ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FOR COUNSEL ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM NINE, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE, UH, AWARD THE CONTRACT TO COLD RIVER CONCRETE FOR ODING, A ROAD BRIDGE WORK REPAIR IN THE AMOUNT OF, UH, $97,056, NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT, 120,000. HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILMAN HANYA. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? [02:25:01] ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? UH, THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. [10. Discuss and consider issuance of Task Orders 002 (Facilities/PD) and 003 (Infrastructure/Lift Stations) to DCMC for services associated with Hazard Mitigation Grant Applications related to FEMA DR-4798 (Beryl) and FEMA DR-4781 (April Severe Storms) for an amount not to exceed $110,000 and authorize the City Manager to execute all pertinent documents. – Eric Wilson ] I ATTEND, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER ISSUANCE OF A TASK ORDER 0 0 2 AND 0 0 3, UH, TO DCMC FOR SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH HAZARDOUS HAZARD MITIGATION GRANT APPLICATION, UH, RELATED TO FEMA, UH, DR 4 7 9 8, AND FEMA DR 4 7 81 FOR ALL, FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $110,000 AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL PERTINENT DOCUMENTS. ERIC, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. UH, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE TODAY IS OUR CONSULTANT FOR, UH, FEMA IS GIVING US A PROPOSAL TO ASSIST US WITH GRANT APPLICATIONS, UH, FOR THOSE TWO RECOGNIZED DISASTERS. AND THOSE GRANT APPLICATIONS WILL BE FOR GENERATORS. THREE OF THOSE WILL BE FOR THE PD, UH, TO REPLACE THOSE THAT HAVE GONE PAST THEIR USEFUL LIFE. AND THE APP, OTHER APPLICATION WILL BE FOR 37 GENERATORS IN OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM FOR THE LIFT STATIONS. UH, THIS WILL DCMC IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT FEMA LIKES. THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE COST BENEFIT, UH, ANALYSIS THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO GET A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION FROM FEMA AND T DEM. AND WE DO HAVE A FAIRLY SHORT TIMELINE ON THIS. UH, WHEN I ASKED FOR, WHEN I REQUESTED THE TASK PROPOSALS, I GAVE THEM INSTRUCTION, GIVE A PROPOSAL THAT, UH, ASSUMES THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO ASSIST YOU IN GATHERING ALL THE INFORMATION. SO THIS IS AN, ALL THESE ARE ALL IN PROPOSALS. UH, IN THE TIME, COUPLE OF DAYS THAT WE'VE MOVED THE COUNCIL MEETING AND THE TIME AFTER RECEIVING THOSE PROPOSALS, WE HAVE STARTED GATHERING THE INFORMATION. SO THE, THE GRANT, THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES WILL BE LESS THAN THE PROPOSALS. UH, AND THE TASK ORDER IS THROUGH DECISION BY TEM AND FEMA TO GO WITH OR NOT GO WITH. UH, OUR GRANT APPLICATIONS INDICATIONS ARE THAT GENERATORS ARE VERY LOW HANGING FRUIT, UH, AND THE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY IS VERY EASILY JUSTIFIED. SO, UH, WE'RE SHOULD BE AN EASY ANSWER AND, AND HOPEFULLY QUICK IN, IN FEMA WORLD, MEANING WHAT KIND OF DOLLAR AM I, MEANING A, A YEAR OR TWO? UH, THE, THE TOTAL, IF, IF ALL OF THE GENERATORS REQUESTED WERE GRANTED IT WOULD BE TWO AND A HALF TO THREE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. WHAT'S OUR PART? WE HAVE TO PAY. UH, TYPICALLY ON THIS DISASTER, IT WILL BE 25%. EVEN THE BOROUGH ONE? YES. I THOUGHT THE, THAT'S, THAT'S ON DEBRIS ONLY. OH, OKAY. SO HOW OLD ARE THE GENERATORS THAT CURRENTLY SERVICING OUR LIFT STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE CITY? THE ONES THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE APPLICATION DO NOT HAVE GENERATORS. THAT'S THE ONE WE HAVE TO DRIVE AROUND WITH A TRAILER AND WE, WE TRAILER THEM AROUND AND WE DAISY CHAIN THE SEWAGE. IT'S IF WE, UH, WELLS AND, UH, SEWAGE, ARE THEY WELLS? WELLS ALREADY HAVE GENERATORS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. A MAJORITY OF THE WELLS ALREADY HAVE GENERATORS. UH, IN THE EVENT THAT WE DID LOSE BWA FEED, WE COULD OPERATE THE CITY OFF OF WELLS WITH GENERATORS IN A POWER FAILURE. AND MIA CAN'T LEAVE UNTIL HE REDUCES THE NUMBER OF, UH, LIFT STATIONS WE HAVE IN THE CITY. . AND WE'LL TRY TO DO THAT WITH, UH, DON'T LAUGH HERE WITH HIM. BIG VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. SAL . WE'LL DO THAT WITH THE LITTLE BITTY BIT OF BOND MONEY WE CAN USE RIGHT NOW. HE'S ENLARGING THEM. YEAH. . OH YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM? UH, OKAY. SO, UH, NEED SOME ACTION ON US OR JUST INFORMATION? THIS IS A DISCUSSION. NO, WE, WE, WE NEED THAT. WE NEED, WE NEED ACTION AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH, WE'LL COME BACK WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT AND INCLUDING THE EXPENDITURE OF 110,000 BUCKS AND, UH, CITY MANAGER TO CREATE DOCUMENTS. YES. OKAY. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, UH, UH, ALDI. YES. SO MOVE. SO MOVE NOT TO EXCEED, NOT TO EXCEED THE 110,000 AND THE AUTHORIZES CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL PERTINENT DOCUMENTS AS PRESENTED. SECOND. I'M SURE HE GONNA WRITE ALL IT HAD A VERY LONG DAY. OKAY. WE HAVE, WHO WAS THAT SECOND? ME. OKAY. MOTION BY [02:30:01] THE COUNCILWOMAN SETH. SECOND BY COUNCIL. THANK YOU HAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AND AGAIN, WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE BUDGET AMENDMENT 'CAUSE THIS IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. UM, SO, OKAY. [11. Quarterly Investment Report. – James Bryson] JAMES, SHORT AND SWEET. START WITH YOU AND END WITH YOU. THE BEST. NOT MIDNIGHT BY MIDNIGHT. 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S WILL'S BIRTHDAY TODAY, SO I'M, IT'S MIDNIGHT SOMEWHERE. HE COULD HAVE BEEN ANYWHERE, BUT HE CHOSE TO BE HERE FOR THE, THIS MIDNIGHT SOMEWHERE. OUR GOAT WHISPERER. YEAH. YES, THE GOAT WHISPERER. AND I'D LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THIS IS ONE OF THE LARGER CROWDS, I THINK THE CITIZENS THAT STAYED BEHIND, SO, THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE THE FIRST QUARTER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. YOU WANTED TO HEAR YOU REPORT THAT THAT'S WHAT, THAT BECAUSE OF THE BUILDUP. THANK YOU, MS. HE, UM, FIRST NATIONAL BANK, YOU CAN SEE WE HAD AN INCREASE. THAT INCREASE IS DUE TO THE PROPERTY TAXES THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER. UH, TAX POOL. YOU SEE THAT WE HAD AN INCREASE AS WELL THAT WAS DUE TO THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT PAYMENT THAT WE RECEIVED. JAMES, CAN YOU HOLD ON? OH, SURE. WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL REPORT TAB OR ANYTHING. OH, YOU DON'T? YEAH, I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE AGENDA EITHER. YOU'RE KEEPING THIS, IT'S ON THE, IT'S ON THE AGENDA, BUT THERE'S NO TAB OR ANYTHING. WE MISSED THAT. YEAH. OH, WOW. YEAH. WOULD, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO POSTPONE? NO, BRING IT BACK. IF YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT, YOU CAN JUST PULL UP THERE. THAT'D BE GREAT. YOU BRING IT BACK. DO YOU HAVE IT IN? IT'S GONNA TAKE A WATER. IT'S ALL RIGHT. IT'S GO AHEAD. WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, DEFER THIS TO NEXT MEETING, HOWEVER YOU WANNA DO IT. YEAH, LET'S JUST DEFER. OKAY. IF IT'S OKAY, DEFER. OH, SURE. IT'S GOOD STUFF. YOU'LL BE READY. YOU'LL BE WAITING INTEREST IN MORE THAN 19 CENTS, SO THAT'S GOOD. HEY, IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU. HOWEVER YOU DOCUMENT Y'ALL, OR HE CAN JUST GO THROUGH IT. DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST YELL AT HIM AGAIN? I PROBABLY WANNA LOOK AT IT. DID YOU FIND IT ON THE P DRIVE? I USUALLY HAVE IT UNDER. WHY DON'T YOU, I LEARNED FROM ALL YOUR TURN. JUST GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND WE'LL SEND IT. WE'LL SEND, WE'LL SEND IT AND THEN WE'LL SEND IT. OKAY. THAT'LL, THAT WAY YOU OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SORRY, I, I DIDN'T REALIZE Y'ALL DIDN'T HAVE THE PACKET. UM, LET'S SEE. SO WE LEFT ON DON'T GET ONE. UH OH. SO YOU GOT THAT. LET'S SEE. WE COMMENTED ON TECH PULL. IT WAS THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT PAYMENT THAT WE RECEIVED. UM, TECHSTAR, THERE WAS A REDUCTION. THAT REDUCTION WAS BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, PAID ON THE BOND PROJECTS. AND SO WE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF THE TECHSTAR BALANCES AND MOVE THAT MONEY INTO, UH, FIRST NATIONAL TO REIMBURSE THE CHECKS THAT WE WROTE FOR THOSE PROJECTS. AND IN FIRST PUBLIC, THERE WAS JUST A SMALL, UM, DIFFERENCE IN THE INTEREST. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD BORROWED SOME OF THE MONEY FOR THE BUR EXPENDITURES. AND THEN WHEN THE MONEY CAME IN FROM PROPERTY TAXES, WE REIMBURSED FIRST NAT, UH, FIRST PUBLIC. SO THAT EXPLAINS, IF YOU HAD IT IN FRONT OF YOU, THE CHANGES IN THE INVESTMENT REPORT FOR THE, UH, END OF DECEMBER. AS FAR AS GENERAL REVENUES, SINCE IT'S THE END OF THE FIRST QUARTER, EVERYTHING SHOULD BE AT 25% OF BUDGET. AND OF COURSE, PROPERTY TAXES IS AT 41% BECAUSE WE GET MOST OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES IN DECEMBER AND JANUARY. SALES TAXES AT 27%. UM, FRANCHISE TAXES IS AT 30. INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, SINCE WE RECEIVED THAT TWICE A YEAR, THAT WAS AT 55%. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS IN LINE WITH BUDGET AT 25%. UH, SO EVERYTHING ON THE REVENUE SIDE WAS POSITIVE AND IN GOOD SHAPE. I DID PROVIDE YOU THE SALES TAX INFORMATION THAT I USUALLY PROVIDE WITH YOU. UH, LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE. CIVIC CENTER, IT WAS ABOVE UP AND, UM, ON PRI PAYROLL, YOU KNOW, SINCE IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S THE END OF THE QUARTER, UM, EXPENDITURE SHOULD BE AT 25%. THERE WASN'T ANY IN PARTICULAR DEPO DEPARTMENT THAT WAS BEYOND 22%. SO EVERYTHING ON THE SALARIES WAS, YOU KNOW, IN LINE WITH EXPENDITURES BEING IN GOOD SHAPE. AND LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE WE'VE GOT. THE REVENUE FOR WATER AND SEWER WAS AT 23% OF BUDGET FOR BOTH, BOTH, UM, SYSTEMS, WATER AND SEWER. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT WE HAD, THE ONLY DISCREPANCY OR ISSUE THAT WE HAD WAS THE PRISON SYSTEM SEEMED LOW COMPARED TO PRIOR YEAR. WE CALLED THE PRISON SYSTEM. THE PRISONERS HAD BEEN MOVED OUT, SO THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE USE OF THE SEWER SYSTEM THAT THEY'RE USING. SO THAT WAS A REDUCTION IN REVENUE FROM THEM. YEAH, IT'S QUITE A BIT. YEAH. IT WENT FROM, UM, 29,000 LAST YEAR TO 7,000 FOR THE FIRST QUARTER. WE CALCULATE THAT OFF OF THEIR WATER USAGE. SEWER? NO, WE HAVE A METER. THERE'S A METER FOR SEWER. YES, WE DID CHECK THE METER. WE CHECKED, YEAH, WE'VE ALWAYS TOLD PEOPLE THAT YOU [02:35:01] CAN'T METER SEWER, SO WE'RE METER SEWING. SO WE ACTUALLY, YEAH, WE GOT A, I GOT A LESSON AND EVERYTHING. EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE SHOWED ME HOW THAT WORKS. SO GUESS I DON'T WANT TO KNOW. . YEAH, THE SOLID'S GOING DROP AND THEN THE WATER GOES THROUGH . WELL, HE JUST, IF SHE AFTER HER, AFTER HER ORDINANCE, AFTER HER ORDINANCE THIS EVENING. SO MEASURING PEOPLE AND I ACTUALLY, I'VE SEEN HER RUN FOLKS OFF PODIUM. I CAN RUN YOU OFF TOO. OH, OH, CAN YOU? UM, AND THEN IN RELATION, YOU ASKED ON THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THE PROP, THE, UM, MOTEL OCCUPANCY. SO I PUT IN A REPORT THAT WE GIVE TO THE ACCOUNT, THE, UM, MOTEL OCCUPANCY, UM, UM, BOARD YEAH. ON A REGULAR BASIS. SO THAT'S IN THERE. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET A CHANCE TO SEE HOW THAT WORKS ON A MONTHLY BASIS. AND THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CHAMBER OF WATCHES, AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE'S A DISCREPANCY. THEY, THEY, THEY CALL US. SO, YEAH, NO, AND I, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, WE HAD HDL DO THEIR AUDIT. THERE'S AN PRELIMINARY, THEY GAVE US A DRAFT DRAFT. THERE'S A, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE, THE HOTELS TO RESPOND TO IT. AND SO I'D SAY WITHIN THE NEXT 30 TO 45 DAYS, WE'LL HAVE A REPORT TO YOU ON THE, ON THE RESULTS OF THAT AUDIT. AND AGAIN, WILL USE A COMPANY TO HELP US WITH THAT H-D-L-H-D. SO YES, SIR. THAT'S PROVEN OUT TO BE A GOOD THING. YES, SIR. YES. MM-HMM . VERY MUCH SO. SO HOPEFULLY A NEW HOTEL COMING IN TOWN THAT WOULD HELP, UH, REVENUE BETTER. SO WE HAVEN'T, I MEAN, WELL THEY JUST OPENED UP, SO, YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE, WE, WE KIND OF PROJECTED, BUT WE WEREN'T QUITE SURE IF IT WAS GONNA FEED OFF OF THE OTHER ONES OR NOT. SO WE WILL HAVE TO SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. AGAIN, THEIR EXTENDED STAY, SO IF THEY HAD SOMEBODY THAT'S STAYING RENTING A ROOM MORE THAN 30 DAYS, PAY THE HOTEL TAX. THE BIG THING THAT WE'RE SEEING OUT OF THE AUDIT OVER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS IS, AND EXEMPTIONS TRYING TO CATCH EXEMPT EXEMPTIONS, YOU KNOW, PROPERLY NOTIFYING THE EXEMPTIONS. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A DISCREPANCY NOW. SO THE HOTEL DOUBT GET A CHANCE. UH, BACK THEN IT WAS LIKE EDUCATION. YEAH. THERE'S A, THERE'S A THIS AND ANCILLARY CHARGES YES. THAT NEED TO BE ATTACKED. SO, UH, HOTELS HAVE GOTTEN, YOU KNOW, UM, I GUESS THEY TALK AMONGST THEMSELVES, SO THEY FIND OUT THAT, OH, WE CHARGE A PET FEE THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PRICE AND TAX. YES. THE TOTAL BILL. YES. SO SOMETIMES THEY THE TOTAL BILL. SO THE TOTAL BILL. SO THEY GET SURPRISED ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S LIKE, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COLLECTING A TAX ON THAT. RIGHT. SO THE, YEAH, FOR THE HOTELS, IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S LIKE, LIKE IT'S COMING OUT. THE FEE IS NOT COMING OUTTA THEIR POCKET. THEY HAVE TO COLLECT THE SHEET. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO COLLECT THE FEE, THEY'RE THE PLACEHOLDER AND YEAH. THEN THEY SEND IT ON TO THE STATE. WELL, THE STATE GETS THEIR CUT AND THEN HDL, THEY SEND THEIR MONEY TO THEM AND THEY SEND IT TO US. AND SO WE GET OUR CUT. SO THEY MIGHT BE PAYING THE STATE, BUT THEN THEY ALSO NEED TO PAY US AS WELL. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S IT. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. OKAY. WELL GOOD. GOOD REPORT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. IT'S MAGNIFICENT. JAMES, I COULDN'T FIND IT IN THE FOLDER, SO WE'LL FOLLOW UP. WE'LL SEND TO YOU. WELL, HE'S GOT A HARD COPY BECAUSE I, I'VE GOT THE HARD TO ME, I'LL MAKE SURE. WELL, IT WAS IN THE PACKET THAT I, THE WHOLE EMAIL, SO DID YOU, OKAY, I DON. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU. YEAH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT AND IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, PICK UP THE PHONE AND TALK TO MODESTO. WE'LL GO FROM THERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. STAFF UPDATES, CITY [12. Staff Updates] MANAGER, WATER SEWER MASTER PLAN WORKSHOP AND BUDGET WORKSHOP. THIS IS THE ONE THAT, THAT RHONDA HAS PUBLICLY SAID SHE'S EXCITED ABOUT. SO VERY NERDY, BUT YES, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS. SHE'S VERY NERDY, BUT SHE'S EXCITED ABOUT IT. SO MODESTO SAID, JUST TO PREPARE, R'S GONNA SAY IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. YEAH. UM, I MEAN WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE ESTABLISHED THE DATE. WHAT IS THE DATE? YES, I THINK IT'S MARCH 24TH. 24TH. THE 24TH OR THE 20? NO, 24TH. AND WE'LL STILL HAVE ONE MORE WORKSHOP THAT WE'VE PROMISED TO GET WITH COUNCIL, BUT WE COULD, FEBRUARY WAS A NO GO FOR EVERYBODY. SO THIS IS THE PRIORITY, UM, GOING THE BUDGET. AND THEN SO, UH, SALLY WOULD BE HUNTING FOR ANOTHER WORKSHOP DATE, MOST LIKELY IN APRIL, UH, FOR, UH, BUDGET FORECASTING. GOOD. OKAY. YEAH, IF WE CAN START WORKING ON THAT DATE AS SOON AS WE CAN. 'CAUSE YEAH, SEND SOMETHING OUT TOMORROW. I'LL SEND NELSON. MY CALENDAR IS NOT GETTING ANY EASIER. IT'S JUST, IT'S CRAZY. ALRIGHT. UH, OKAY. UH, CITY, UH, OKAY. ANY, ANY KIND OF, UH, ACTION ITEMS THAT CAME OUT THAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW? UH, I GOT THE SUBCOMMITTEE THING GOING. I'LL TAKE THAT ON MY ANIMALS AND STUFF. UH, YOU GOT TO MAKE THE CHANGES ON THE, UH, THE BOND ORDINANCE. BOND ORDINANCE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE, UH, WE'LL BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PROCEDURE FEES AND ITEM SIX, UH, OPEN CONTAINER ALCOHOL. [02:40:01] WELL, UH, SHERRY WILL PREPARE AN ORDINANCE. ALRIGHT, SOUNDS GOOD. AND THE BUDGET AMENDMENT? UH, YEAH. YES. AND WE HAVE A BUDGET AMENDMENT ON NUMBER 10. OKAY. ALRIGHT, SAL, THANK YOU SHERRY. FULL WISE, ONE [13. Construction Updates] NEED TO GET YOU A STAFF , EVERYTHING IS FROZEN SO IT IS WRITTEN, SO IT'D BE DONE. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, I'M JUST, UH, OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PROJECTS HERE. UH, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT YOU HAD IN MIND, UH, KNOWING A REPORT, I KNOW RHONDA IS JUST, UH, JUST EXCITED TO HEAR SOMETHING. OH, WAIT, NO. . NO, UH, REALLY, I MEAN THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE ALL EITHER ON, UH, FINAL DESIGN OR, OR THE ONES THAT WE ARE ALREADY LET OUT, WHICH ARE THE STREET PROJECTS THAT ARE BASICALLY, UH, WELL BECAUSE OF THE WEATHER SITUATION THERE, THEY HAVEN'T REALLY MOVED TO, YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY WHATSOEVER SINCE THE START OF THE YEAR. UH, SO WE ARE YOU HOPING THIS, THIS WEEK, UH, WITH A BETTER, BETTER FORECAST THAT'LL COME, YOU KNOW, WE'LL START INCREASING THAT PROJECT ON PIN OAK AND FINISHING UP AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF PIN OAK AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE OTHER TWO STREETS ON THE LIFT STATION. ONE DESIGN, THE GAME PLAN IS, IF THE VOTERS APPROVE THE 18 MILLION ISSUANCE IS WE WILL WORK THAT DURING THE SUMMER AND HAVE A, UH, A SALE IN EARLY FALL. AND WE WOULD ISSUE ALSO DO A SALE FOR LIFT STATION. ONE IS 20 MILLION ON THE WATER. AND SO WE'D HAVE A RATING AND SELL FOR THE 18 MILLION AND THE 20 MILLION ON THE UTILITY SIDE. AND SO WE DO IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME. THAT'S THE GAME PLAN. YEAH. WE HAVE AN, WE HAVE A 90, 90, UH, 90% DRAWING, UH, REVIEW, UH, SCHEDULED MEETING FOR, UH, THIS COMING WEEK. SO WE WILL THEN BE PUTTING OUR FINAL TOUCHES TO THAT ONE SO THEY CAN JUST FINISH OFF THE, THE PLAN, THE ACTUAL DESIGN PLAN, THE BEST WESTERN SEWER FIX UP THAT WE DID. THAT'S A COMPLETE PROJECT. THAT'S A COMPLETE PROJECT. AND SO THAT'S RESOLVED THEIR ISSUE WITH, AS FAR AS WE KNOW, NOT ABLE TO RENT OUT THE TOP FLOOR IF IT'S CORRECT. AS FAR AS WE KNOW IT'S BEEN WORKING. UH, IT'S WORKING THE WAY IT'S SUP IT WAS DESIGNED AFTER A LOT OF, UH, LOT OF WORK. YEAH, A LOT OF WORK, CORRECT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY AFTER SIX YEARS COMPLETED, THE GAS UNIT STATION, AND THE GAS FUELING STATION HAS BEEN COMPLETED TOO. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU'RE OPERATING, UH, RIGHT. UH, MR. WILSON? YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ALRIGHT, SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT, UH, YOUR PRODUCT ANIMAL FACILITY, I DON'T SEE ANY UPDATES ON IT, SO OKAY. JUST ADD THREE. IT'S, IT'S IN THE PROJECT UPDATE, BUT WE'RE WAITING ON THEM TO GET BACK TO THE FINAL CONTRACT. THE FINAL CONTRACT SIGNED. SO THEY'RE READY TO MOVE WITH JUST THE CONTRACT. YEAH. UNLESS THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED, IT'S SUBJECT TO ESCALATION. SO THAT'S THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. 'CAUSE THEY NEED TO NO, IT'S THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED STILL. YEAH, BUT STILL, I MEAN STILL THE MONEY OUT OF THE POCKET EVEN MAXIMUM CAN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, SO YEAH, WE'RE WAITING ON THEM. SHERRY DIDN'T LIKE THE DOTS AND THE CROSSING THE TS THOUGH. OH, THEY DIDN'T LIKE MY DOTS AND TS. YEAH. ANYWAY, PLEASE. I'M SITTING NEXT TO HER . ALL RIGHT. UH, I AS [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] A COMMUNITY INTEREST, UH, START WITH JB NO, WHAT THAT HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MR. LEMANS. MR. BRO. I CAN'T THINK OF ANY. ALRIGHT, MR. HANYA, UH, JUST ONE QUESTION I HAD ASKED ABOUT, UH, THE GAS STATION ACROSS FROM BRASSWOOD AND I WAS TOLD THE PUMP MAY BE COMING ONLINE. I DON'T SEE ANY ACTIVITY THERE. WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THAT? UH, MR. SHANYA, I STAND CORRECTED. THOSE ARE THE OLD PUMPS THAT USED TO BE COVERED BY THE WOODEN FORMS, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO REMOVE THEM. UH, I DID CHECK, UH, WITH THE, UM, I DID ASK ABOUT THE DATE OF THE UNDERGROUND TANK AND I'M STILL WAITING BACK ON THAT, BUT I'LL, I'LL DOUBLE, I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND ON THAT, ABOUT THE PUMPS. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT UNDERGROUND STORAGE TANK LEAKING INTO CREATING A HA HAZARD FOR RESIDENTS AROUND THERE. SO YES, I'LL CIRCLE BACK AROUND AND GET THAT INFORMATION. THANK YOU. ALL AHEAD. ALRIGHT, NELSON. OKAY. NO SIR. I HAD SOMETHING IN THE BACK OF MY MIND THAT IT HAS JUST DISAPPEARED. SO WE'LL GO WITH, UH, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING MR. MIA? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING? WE BE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [02:45:02] MY LAWYER. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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