* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:05] REGULAR STATION OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS. I'LL BEGIN THIS EVENING, [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] UH, BY PLEDGE, LED BY COUNCILMAN BUELL PLEDGES PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE BLACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. SAINTS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, THE INDIVIDUAL. LIBERTY, LIBERTY, JUSTICE, HONOR THE TEXAS FLAG. NOW PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE TEXAS ONE STATE UNDER GOD, ONE INDIVIDUAL SUCCESS. WE GOT 'EM RIGHT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE INVOCATION LED BY COUNCILMAN BAKER. LET US PRAY. GIVE HEAVEN. FATHER, JUST THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL DAY THAT YOU BLESSED US TO SEE. AND JUST BE WITH US AS WE GET READY TO MAKE, UH, POSITIVE DECISIONS FOR THIS GREAT CITY THAT WE ALL LIVE IN. AND JUST BLESS EACH ONE OF US AS WE GO ABOUT OUR DAILY JOURNEY. AND GIVE US JUST CLOSE. GIVE US SAFE TRAVELING AS WE RETURN HOME. IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY. AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO VISITORS' COMMENTS. UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, TO, UH, STAND TO THE PODIUM AND BRING AN ISSUE TO COUNCIL THAT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA, REMINDING YOU THAT WE CAN'T DEBATE OR DISCUSS. WE CAN ONLY ASK QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION. AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT, UH, THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA IF, IF COUNSEL DEEMS APPROPRIATE. ANYONE HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT? ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANYONE ON CITY COUNCIL CAN DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON EITHER AGENDA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT TO DECLARE? YES, SIR. NOT HEARING ANY. WE'LL [CONSENT AGENDA] MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, AND I'LL TRY TO READ THROUGH THESE AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. UH, ITEM ONE IS APPROVED MINUTES, MARCH 3RD, 2025. UH, ITEM TWO IS ACCEPT THE MINUTES FROM THE BOARD AND COMMISSION, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. UH, WE HAVE FROM PLANNERS, UH, WE HAVE THE 20, UH, OH 4 25. UH, THEN WE HAVE ITEM NUMBER THREE IS APPROVE THE, UH, APPROVE THE AMENDED POLICY FOR LIBRARY MEETING AREAS. ITEM FOUR IS PROCLAIMED APRIL, 2025 AS FAIR HOUSING MONTH. ITEM FIVE IS APPROVE. UH, AN ADDENDUM TO THE VELASCO DRAINAGE DISTRICT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO OBTAIN A PERMIT, UH, FOR LIFT STATION NUMBER ONE, FORCE MAIN USING, UH, DRAINAGE EASEMENTS. ITEM SIX, AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO PURCHASE WATER METERS FROM AQUA METRIC FOR $126,513 THROUGH A-H-C-A-C CONTRACT AS BUDGETED AWARD BID AND APPROVE A TWO UNIT SUPPLY CONTRACTS, UH, FOR ELECTRICAL SERVICES WITH, UH, BOYER INC. UH, AND A BUCHANAN ELECTRIC, UH, FOR ELECTRICAL WORK AT ALL CITY FACILITIES IN AN ES IN AN ESTIMATED AMOUNT OF $500,000 PER YEAR, BEGINNING MARCH 18TH, 2020 25 THROUGH, UH, MARCH 31ST, 2027. ITEM EIGHT IS AWARD BID, 2 5 0 2 0 0 2. AN AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACT WITH JOINT SEALANT WITH, UH, FOR JOINT SEALANT WITH, UH, SCR, UH, CIVIL CONSTRUCTION AT $17 A LINEAR FOOT FOR TYPE ONE AND $24 A LINEAR FOOT FOR TYPE TWO, NOT EXCEEDING $200,000 AS BUDGETED. IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION? WITHOUT HEARING ANY REQUESTS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, ITEMS ONE THROUGH EIGHT AS PRESENTED. SECOND, I, WE HAVE, UH, MOTION BY COUNCILMAN HANYA. A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. MOVE ON TO REGULAR [1. Approve an Interlocal Agreement between the City of Lake Jackson and the Brazosport Independent School District for the use of PEG funds. – Lora-Marie Bernard] AGENDA. UH, APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AND ESPORT INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE USE OF PEG FUNDS. UH, LAURA MARIE. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, TODAY WE JUST HAVE AN UPDATED AGREEMENT FOR OUR BISD PEG CONTRACT. UM, IT'S BASICALLY SOME HOUSEKEEPING, UM, REVIEWS IN ORDER TO JUST CLARIFY THE PROCESS WITH IT. AND, UM, THAT'S ABOUT IT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY [00:05:01] QUESTIONS. THE STUDENTS' NEXT VIDEO WILL BE WITH PARKS AND REC ON THE 2025 EGG HUNTS, AND THEY'VE ALSO WORKED WITH PUBLIC WORKS FOR A UIL VIDEO THAT'S COMPLETELY UNRELATED TO THE AGREEMENT. SO IT SEEMS TO BE DOING THE WAY YOU ENVISIONED IT TO HAPPEN. SO IT WASN'T ANY MAJOR CHANGE TO THE AGREEMENT, JUST NO UPDATED DATES MADE. YES, IT WAS JUST TO CLARIFY, UM, TIMELINES FOR BOTH SIDES, SO WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE MAIN POINTS REMAIN THE SAME. OKAY. THE LAST TIME THEY DID THIS PRESENTATION, IT WAS PRETTY GOOD STUFF. MM-HMM . SO THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. YES. APPRECIATE IT. YES. I THINK PARKS AND RECS IS ENJOYING I, OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS SIDE? THEY'RE ENJOYING WORKING WITH THEM NOW TOO. LAURA MARIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AS WELL. YEAH. ALRIGHT, IF THERE'S, UH, 98 FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM ONE, MR. MAYOR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AN INTER LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON AND THE BRAZOSPORT INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR THE USE OF PEG FUNDS. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH. SECOND BY, UH, COUNCILMAN HANYA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UH, ITEM [2. Approve Resolution No. 980 amending the Public, Education, and Government (PEG) Fund for BISD equipment in the amount of $21,336.55. – James Bryson] TWO, APPROVE. RESOLUTION NUMBER 9 8 0 AMENDING THE PUBLIC EDUCATION AND GRANT, UH, AND GOVERNMENT OR THE PEG FUND FOR B-E-I-S-D EQUIPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $21,336 AND 55 CENTS. YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL. MAY I WISH IRISH YOU ARE HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY. I GOT TO GET THAT ONE IN THERE. THANK YOU, BEN. ALL RIGHT. I WAS WAITING ALL DAY FOR THAT DAD. UM, NOW THE GROUND RULES HAVE BEEN ACCEPTED THAT LAURA MARIE SAT DOWN. THE, UH, TEACHER HAS SUBMITTED A BID OR A, UH, REQUEST FOR 21 3 36 55. IT'S FOR FOUR CAMERAS AND EQUIPMENT. UM, THE REASON THIS IS GOING TO BUDGET TO COUNCIL IS BECAUSE THERE WAS NO MONEY SET ASIDE FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THIS YEAR. AND SO WE HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THE COUNCIL APPROVING THAT BUDGET IF THEY WANT TO ADOPT IT FOR THE, FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. SO THE ITEM WAS NOT A PART OF THE BUDGET. HOW IS THE FUNDS AVAILABLE? THE FUNDS WERE AVAILABLE. THEY HAVE A FUND BALANCE IN PEG. OKAY. AND THERE WAS MONEY. THAT WAS THE SCHOOL THE CITY WAS GONNA USE, BUT THEY DON'T NEED IT FROM RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S A SAVINGS IN THAT AS WELL. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND THAT IT REMIND YOU TO COUNSEL, THIS FUND CAN ONLY BE USED. IT'S VERY RESTRICTED BECAUSE VERY RESTRICTED. SO IT, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN EVEN USE IT. YOU CAN'T FUND PERSONNEL USUALLY PURCHASING OF EQUIPMENT. UH, AND IT ALL HAS TO GO FOR THAT. IT'S USING FOR A EQUIPMENT, CAPITAL ASSETS, EQUIPMENT CAPITAL TO BE ON A PEG CHANNEL. YEAH. SO THE FUND'S BEEN BUILDING UP OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T REQUESTED AS MUCH AS WHAT HAS BEEN COMING INTO US. WHO MAKES THOSE RULES? ARE THOSE STATE LEVEL? STATE? WHOEVER GIVES US THE MONEY, THAT'S A STATE LAW. WELL, THE TAXPAYER GIVES US THE MONEY. , WHOEVER GIVES IT BACK TO THE TAX. IT'S 1% OF OUR COLLECTIONS OFF OF, IT'S A TAX THAT'S COLLECTED ON THE CABLE BILL. OKAY. HE'S IN THE CABLE BILL VIEW. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE A MOTION. ITEM TWO. UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION FOR, UH, NUMBER NINE 80, AMENDING THE PAY FUND FOR BISD EQUIPMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF 21 336 55. SECOND, ALL MOTION MOVED. COUNCILMAN BAKER AND COUNCILMAN. AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION QUESTION. THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, MOVE ON TO [3. Discuss and consider donating three decommissioned Police Department Vehicles, Units 1228, 1229 and 1238 to the Brazosport College Police Department. – Paul Kibodeaux] ITEM THREE, DISCUSSING CONSIDER DONATING THREE DECOMMISSIONED, UH, POLICE DEPARTMENT, VEHICLES UNIT, UH, UH, 12 28, 12 29, AND 1238 TO THE BRAZOSPORT COLLEGE POLICE DEPARTMENT. PAUL? YES. GOOD EVENING. UH, CHRIS MNO, WHO RUNS THE BPORT COLLEGE POLICE DEPARTMENT. UH, WE GET A LOT OF OUR FOLKS FROM THEM AND WE WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL, UH, WITH THE COLLEGE POLICE AND WITH THE ACADEMY. UH, HE WAS DESPERATE FOR CARS. UH, HE HAD HEARD THAT THE CITY HAD IN THE PAST, ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, DONATED VEHICLES THAT WE WERE DECOMMISSIONED. UH, THESE, UH, WE DID HAVE QUITE A FEW BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO HARD TO GET CARS AND THANKFUL THAT THIS YEAR WE GOT 'EM TURNED AROUND PRETTY QUICK. SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE IF WE CHOOSE TO, UH, SHARE THAT WITH THEM. WHEN YOU DID COMMISSION 'EM, WHAT DO YOU, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU REUSE OR LIGHT BARS AND ALL THAT KINDA STUFF? OR? WE TRY TO, UNLESS THE BODY CHANGED RIGHT. SIGNIFICANTLY AND THEY DON'T FIT. UM, WE TRY TO USE THE, AND I, MOST OF OUR ELECTRONIC EQUIPMENT, VIDEOS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TRANSFER OF THE VEHICLE TO VEHICLE. SO ARE THESE TAHOES OR, UH, YEAH. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL TIMES TAHOES THIS YEAR. IF, [00:10:01] IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, WHERE WILL THOSE VEHICLES GO? WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH THEM? WELL, SOMETIMES THEY SIT FOR QUITE A WHILE TILL THEY GET ONTO AUCTION, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE 'EM TO AUCTION. UM, SERVICE CENTER USUALLY HAND HANDLES THAT. UM, WELL, YOU GET PENNIES ON A DOLLAR. OH, IT'S, IT'S PRACTICALLY GET PENNY DOLLARS ON A DOLLAR PHONE. AND, AND THE THING IS, IT'S BEEN SO DIFFICULT, WE ACTUALLY HAVE SEVERAL OF 'EM STACKED UP BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH TROUBLE GETTING NEW CARS AND GETTING ALL THE EQUIPMENT TRANSFERRED OVER FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT WE'VE GOT 'EM. WE'RE STILL USING SOME OF THE OLD ONES. WE WERE, UNTIL WE GET THE NEWER ONES. EVEN FROM TWO YEARS AGO. UH, JUST, JUST TO KEEP ENOUGH CARS ON THE ROAD. UH, WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THIS YEAR. GRATEFUL FOR THAT. CERTAINLY GRATEFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I WORK IN A CITY WHERE IT'S MANAGED VERY WELL AND WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT WE NEED. SO, UH, BUT IT IS NICE TO BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH OUR OTHER LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES. I WILL JUST SAY FOR CLARITY, I DID ASK THE QUESTION, UM, HOW DO WE CHOOSE WHERE THESE DECOMMISSIONED VEHICLES GO? AND AS THE CHIEF EXPLAINED, IT WAS PRETTY MUCH FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. 'CAUSE MY QUESTION WAS, IS DID THEY GET OFFERED TO ANY OF OUR OTHER COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, CLUE RICHWOOD, SURFSIDE, PLACES LIKE THAT, THAT, YEAH. IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, UH, AND IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AS WELL, BUT JUST RECENT, UH, SWEENEY'S CHIEF, UH, WAS DESPERATE FOR CARS AND, AND, UH, HE USED TO WORK FOR US AS WELL. SO THERE'S THAT RELATIONSHIP AND HE SAID, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY? AND THEY HAD SOME MILES ON 'EM, BUT FOR THEM IT WAS, IT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED. AND YOU APPROVED THAT LAST YEAR, UH, IN TALKING WITH THE, UH, DIRECTOR OVER THERE AT THE COLLEGE, UH, MAO. HE HAD HEARD ABOUT IT AND THEN THAT PROMPTED HIM TO SAY MOSTLY, MOSTLY ALL OF THE LARGER DEPARTMENTS. THEY DO, UH, PASS THEIR VEHICLES DOWN TO, I THINK CONS. THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS. FIRE, FIRE, FIRE EMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YEAH. WE DUMP FIRE TRUCKS TO CITY OF OYSTER CREEK. RIGHT. THINGS TOO. YEP. THAT'S A GOOD PRACTICE. WE ALSO DO CONS SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. WE'LL MAKE A, A MENTAL NOTE THOUGH TO KEEP THE EARS OPEN, JUST TO MAKE SURE THE SPREAD THAT AROUND A LITTLE BIT IF WE CAN AS WELL. YEP. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, THEY ALREADY HAVE A BUNCH OF VEHICLES STANDING AROUND, SITTING AROUND THE PARKING LOT. SO ARE THEY NOT OPERABLE OR NOT THAT MATTERS? THREE OF THEM ARE THESE, AND THEN THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OLDER THAT WE'VE HELD OVER AS SHOP CARS. 'CAUSE WHEN WE WERE HAVING SO MUCH TROUBLE GETTING THEM OURS OR THE NO, HE, HE'S TALKING ABOUT AT THE COLLEGE, AT THE, THERE'S AT OH, AT THE COLLEGE UTILITY VEHICLES. I DON'T, I I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THOSE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WITH OURS THEY USED FOR THE STUDENTS, I THOUGHT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PARKED OVER THERE. OH, THOSE THE ONE THEY USED FOR, FOR TRAINING WITH THE COLLEGE. OKAY. THAT'S WHY THEY PARKED THAT AT THE ACADEMY. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE 'EM PARKED OUT FRONT LIKE THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS. GOOD. OUR INFORMATION A NICE LINE. 'CAUSE WE WERE GONNA DO THE STRIPING , WE PUT LOOKS GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM THREE, MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE DONATE, UH, THESE THREE DECOM DE DECOMMISSIONED POLICE DEPARTMENT OF VEHICLES UNITS 1 28, 1 29, 1 38 TO BRAFORD COLLEGE PD AS REQUESTED. ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN HANYA. SECOND, SECOND ONE. COUNCILWOMAN, SETH, ANY, DISCUSS ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, MATT. TAKE CARE OF MY GARBAGE. GOOD, BROTHER. ALL RIGHT. ITEM [4. Discuss amending the Hotel Occupancy Tax ordinance to allow the City Council to waive penalty and interest charges if the lodging provider can provide adequate cause to warrant such action. – James Bryson] FOUR IS DISCUSS, UH, ADMITTING A HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX ORDINANCE, UH, TO ALLOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO WAIVE PENALTY AND INTEREST CHARGES AND THE, IF THE LODGING PROVIDER CAN PROVIDE ADEQUATE CAUSE TO WARRANT SUCH ACTION. JAMES? YES, SIR. IN THIS CASE WE HAVE HDL, WHICH IS THE COMPANY THAT HANDLES OUR HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX COLLECTION FOR US. AND THEY ALSO DO AN ANNUAL AUDIT. AND THEY USUALLY DO THREE HOTELS A YEAR. THIS YEAR THEY DID THREE HOTELS. AND OF THOSE THREE, ONE OF THE VENDORS IS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY CONSIDER WAIVING THEIR PENALTY AND INTEREST ON THE AMOUNT THAT'S OWED. BUT WHEN I TALKED WITH SHERRY, THE LEGAL COUNSEL ABOUT THIS, SHE SAID IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE TO, FOR THE, THERE'S NOTHING THAT ADDRESSES, UH, PENALTY AND INTEREST FOR THE HOTEL OCCUPANCY. SO IF THE COUNSEL WAS INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THAT COMPANY COULD COME IN AND REQUEST IT. SO IT WOULD BE A GOOD EXCUSE. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL WOULD'VE TO DECIDE, I BELIEVE. LIKE WHAT WAS THE REASONING? THE, THE EXCUSE THAT WAS MADE, UH, WAS THAT THEY HAD MADE A MISTAKE IN COLLECTING THE TAX WHERE THEY PROVIDED AN EXEMPTION, UH, FOR I GUESS THE STATE OR, [00:15:01] YOU KNOW, TEACHERS OR POSS OR EXEMPT. AND THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE TO COLLECT THE INFORMATION, BUT IF THEY WEREN'T COLLECTING INFORMATION, THERE'S NOTHING TO SHOW THAT THEY WERE EXEMPT, THEN THAT EXEMPTION DOESN'T QUALIFY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THEM WERE, SOME OF THEM WERE ROOM DAMAGES THAT THEY SAID THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT. AND THE LITTLE, SOME OF IT WAS PET CLEANED UP ON, ON THIS. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE ONLY CITY THAT WE SAW THAT HAD IT ACTUALLY WRITTEN IN THEIR ORDINANCE WAS SURFSIDE. OF COURSE SURFSIDE HAS A LOT OF THE TOURISM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. RIGHT. BUT THE OTHER CITIES IN THE AREA, WE DIDN'T SEE THAT POLICY AVAILABLE. IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN. IT WOULD NEED TO BE WRITTEN IN. IF YOU'RE NOT, THEN IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE, WE DON'T ADDRESS. WHAT'S YOUR, SO MR I'M SORRY, MY QUESTION IS, YOU'RE SAYING, ARE WE SAYING THAT THE ORDINANCES DON'T PROVIDE FOR PENALTIES AND INTEREST? OR THEY DO THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR THE WAIVE EXEMPTION? IT DOESN'T, DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR WAIVING. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GO TO COUNCIL AND HAVE IT WAIVED, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE. THERE'S NO PROVISION FOR THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT UNIQUE. MOST OF OUR ORDINANCES ARE THAT WAY. AGAIN, MY, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NO STAFF HAS NO PROBLEM WITH COUNCIL HAVING THIS ABILITY TO, TO DO IT. UM, I WOULD CAUTION THOUGH THAT YOU'D ONLY DO IT ONCE . RIGHT. YOU KNOW, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE SOMEONE MAKES A MISTAKE. IT GETS COMPLICATED OF, YOU KNOW, YOU DOES, YOU KNOW, ONE PERSON GET, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ARE THEY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY ALLOWED A WAIVER AND THEN SOMEONE ELSE IS NOT. LIKE, WHEN WE GO TO A HOTEL, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO, UM, GET A, UM, A WAIVER FOR A HOTEL MOTEL EXEMPTION. STATE EMPLOYEES ARE AS IF, SO SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE CONFUSING FOR, UH, AN EMPLOYEE AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE DESK. AND THAT SEEMS TO BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, HERE OR, UM, SO IS THE ONLY WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GRANT A WAIVER FOR IT THAT HAS TO BE WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE? YES. OR WE, THAT'S WHAT SHERRY IS ADVISED. IS THAT, IS THERE A WAY TO WRITE IT TO WHERE WE CAN TAKE THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS? OR TO PUT PARAMETERS ON IT? WELL, I THINK IF YOU HAD YEAH, NO, THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED YOU WOULDN'T HEAR TONIGHT. YEAH. UH, BUT IF, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS IF THEY, IF YOU PASSED IT, THEN THE, THE WHOEVER THE INDIVIDUAL WAS WOULD COME UP TO YOU, MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHY THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S WARRANTED. AND THEN COUNSEL WOULD DECIDE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY HOTELS IN TOWN. WHAT, WHAT, UM, WHAT IS, WHAT DOES A PENALTY AND INTEREST LOOK LIKE IN, IN A CASE LIKE THIS? IS IT A $50 OR $50,000 NOW? NO, IN THIS CASE THERE, THE TAXES THAT ARE OWED OF 9,000, THE PENALTY WOULD BE 1800 AND THE INTEREST ON THAT WOULD BE 1100. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, ALMOST $3,000 IN PENALTY AND INTEREST. OKAY. ON IN THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE. OKAY. ON A, ON A BASE OF, WHAT'D YOU SAY 18? ABOUT, UH, THE OH NINE. NINE NINE. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY, GOOD. AND SO WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR IS WHAT JAMES HAS MENTIONED. IT'S EITHER THEY DIDN'T COLLECT THE INFORMATION, UH, NECESSARY TO, UM, PROVIDE AN EXEMPTION FOR SOMEONE AND OR THEY WERE CHARGING FEES. UM, AND THEN, UM, WORK TAKING THE TAX INTO THE CITY WORK CONSIDER OF THAT REVENUE. SO LIKE A NO SMOKING FEE, PET FEE. AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, THOSE ARE, YOU NEED TO COUNT THOSE AS REVENUES AND THEY NEED TO BE TAXED. UM, YEAH, I AGREE. IF WE WOULD MAKE ANY KIND OF EXEMPTION, IT NEEDS TO BE A ONE TIME FOR PER BUSINESS. UH, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY IS BECAUSE I, I COULD SEE THAT THEY COULD SAY EVERY TIME THEY CHANGE PEOPLE AT THE FRONT DESK, THEY HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. SO THEY'VE GOTTA PUT THE ONUS IS ONTO THEM TO PUT YOU, YOU WOULD HOPE THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THE SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT WOULD, UH, DRIVE THAT AND, AND DOCUMENT THAT APPROPRIATELY. UH, BUT IF NOTHING ELSE, OKAY, YOU GOT ONE OPTION, YOU GOT ONE CHANCE OF FIX IT. RIGHT. AND IF YOU DON'T FIX IT, YOU'RE, IT'S, IT'S YOUR FAULT. AND THE INITIAL REQUEST WE HAVE IS NOT TO WAIVE THE COLLECTION OF THE TAX. IT'S ONLY THE PENALTY IN THE INTEREST. MM-HMM . RIGHT? YEAH. AND THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS, IS THAT IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT ONE WAIVER IS, IS IT OPEN UP A CAN OF WORMS FOR OTHER REQUESTS THAT COME IN FOR MORE WAIVERS? WELL, ALL THREE HOTELS, UH, UH, THIS, THIS YEAR, THEY WERE ALL RATHER SIGNIFICANT IN THE FINDINGS. UM, THE LAST YEAR THEY WEREN'T VERY MUCH IN THE WAY. SO THIS YEAR WAS KIND OF AN ANOMALY, BUT IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE THEY'VE BEEN AUDITED. SO, UM, AND HOW FREQUENTLY, YOU SAID, I THINK HOW EVERY THREE YEARS? EVERY THREE YEARS. BUT THEY ROTATE OUT. SO THREE A YEAR AND EVERY THREE YEARS. YEAH. ALRIGHT. WELL, I MEAN IT'S, THIS IS JUST THE DISCUSSION OF IF WE WANT TO YES. GO ANY FURTHER WITH THIS, IF YOU WANNA GO FORWARD, THEN SHERRY, WE'LL DROP AN ORDINANCE FOR YOU TO BRING IN FOR YOUR REVIEW AND DISCUSS OUR PROCESS. GOTTA LEAVE IT ALONE. I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY MAKE AN ERROR THEN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T PAY, WE HAVE TO PAY PENALTIES AS WELL. SO WE JUST HAVE THE, THE HOTEL OWNERS ASKING US [00:20:01] AND WE'RE LIKE, WE HAVE TO, IF THIS WOULD'VE TO GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL 'CAUSE WE HAVE NO OPTION RIGHT NOW TO OFFER THIS TO YOU. SO, YEAH. AND THEN A AGAIN, THE WAIVER WOULD HAVE TO BE, AGAIN, THEY WOULD, IF, IF THEY WANT THE WAIVER, THEY WOULD'VE COME TO COUNCIL FUTURE COUNSELS AND SAY, PLEAD THEIR THEIR CASE SAYING THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO DIRECT IT. YES, SIR. YEAH. IN A ONE TIME DEAL IT COULD, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE IT SET UP AS A ONE TIME, UH, TYPE OFFERING I GUESS. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS WITH SHERRY, UH, WHENEVER WE, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA GO FORWARD WITH DRAFTING SOMETHING. BUT I THINK, YEAH, AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH JUST THERE'S A LOT OF LOOPHOLES AND THEN 'CAUSE IT CAN GET VERY MESSY. YEAH, I, UH, IT'S, I AM OKAY WITH IT GOING EITHER WAY. I'M OKAY WITH NOT MAKING THE WAIVER AND I'M OKAY WITH IF WE WANNA DISCUSS IT FURTHER. SO, OKAY. IT'S UP TO YOU FOLKS. THE REST OF Y'ALL, WHAT YOU FEELING? IT WON'T REALLY AFFECT ME. BUT, UM, I, I WILL SAY AS A LAWYER, THAT THESE KINDS OF PROVISIONS ARE MESSY, MESSY. THEY, THEY CAUSE PROBLEMS. RIGHT. 'CAUSE IT INVOLVES, YOU KNOW, THE SUBJECTIVE DETERMINATION OF WHAT'S REASONABLE OR WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE OR WHAT'S WHATEVER. AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE ALLEGATIONS OF DISPARATE TREATMENT BY DIFFERENT PARTIES MAKING THE SAME REQUEST. YEAH. THAT'S MY CONCERN. AND THAT WAS THE TERM THAT WAS IN THE ONE FOR CERTIFIED WAS REASONABLE. YEAH. THERE IS, THERE IS NO SQUISHY OR WORD THAN REASONABLE REASONABLE IN THE STATUTE THAN THE WORD REASONABLE. SO LAWYERS LOVE WORDS LIKE THAT 'CAUSE IT GIVES US ARGUMENTS TO MAKE. BUT, UM, NOT TO DISSUADE ANYONE, BUT THESE KINDS OF PROVISIONS CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS COULD OPEN THE DOOR. BE IT. ALRIGHT, I THINK WE'RE HEARING JUST, UH, WE'LL JUST PRESS ON. PRESS ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. UH, ITEM FIVE IS [5. Discuss amending Chapter 102-Utilities, Article II-Water Service, to allow residents separate water accounts for their irrigation systems. – Modesto Mundo] DISCUSSED AMENDING, UH, CHAPTER 1 0 2 UTILITIES ARTICLE TWO WATER SERVICES TO ALLOW RESIDENTS, UH, SEPARATE WATER ACCOUNTS FOR THEIR IRRIGATION SYSTEM. IT'S SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST TOO. SO IT IS, WE HAD A GENTLEMAN, UH, THAT CAME INTO THE WATER DEPARTMENT ASKING IF WE, UM, COULD PROVIDE, UM, A SEPARATE METER. UM, WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY HAVE NOT DONE THAT EXCEPT FOR COMMER, EXCEPT FOR COMMERCIAL. IT USUALLY HAS NOT MADE SENSE. UH, WE HAVE A CAP ON, UM, SEWER SERVICE AT 15,000 GALLONS. YOU'D HAVE TO BE A VERY HEAVY WATER USER TO REALLY FOR IT TO PAY OUT. FOR IT TO PAY OUT. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE A, A SEPARATE CONNECT FEE AGAIN OR TAP FEE FOR THE METER, WHICH IS AROUND $1,200. AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN COVER OUR COST. UH, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA HAVE TO GO UP. UM, BUT THAT'S NOT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, UH, TONIGHT. UM, AND THEN YOU'D PAY ANOTHER BASE FEE. IT WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T PAY A BASE FEE FOR SEWER, BUT YOU WOULD PAY A BASE FEE FOR WATER. SO AGAIN, YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE A HEAVY WATER USER. THIS RESIDENT, UM, WHEN WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED IS A HEAVY WATER USER ABOUT 40,000 GALLONS A MONTH, UH, DURING THE SUMMER. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE PAYBACK, IT'S PROBABLY 15 TO 18 MONTHS THAT THEY COULD PAY BACK, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT AT THAT HEAVY WATER USAGE. WE DID SURVEY THE REST OF THE CITIES TO SEE IF WE WERE ON AN ISLAND. AND WE ARE, EVERY OTHER CITY, UH, IN MISSOURI COUNTY DOES PROVIDE, UH, THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SEPARATE IRRIGATION METER. SO, UH, I THOUGHT I WOULD BRING THAT TO YOU. UH, SEE, UH, IF COUNSEL WAS OPEN TO THAT, IF YOU WOULD, UH, THEN WE WOULD, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE BRING THAT BACK AS A ORDINANCE CHANGE. I DIDN'T WANT TO APPROVE IT. JUST, YOU KNOW. RIGHT. ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT IRRIGATION PEOPLE, FOUNDATION AND DROUGHT PEOPLE ARE WATERING THE FOUNDATION. THERE'S A LOT OF WATER IN THE FOUNDATION WATERING THAT, UH, COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. SO, SO WHOEVER DOES IT RESPONSIBLE FOR, FOR THE HOOKUP AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF TO THE YEAH. WHAT FEES WOULD GO OVER THAT AGAIN? WHAT FEES YOU'D RECOMMEND? THEY PAY THE TAP FEE. CURRENTLY THAT'S, UH, $1,200. UM, AND THEN THE METER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THE METER, WHICH IS, UM, UM, 5,050. YEAH. AND THEN THEY'D HAVE TO HAVE THEIR OWN PLUMBER HOOK UP, UH, THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. AND THAT WOULD BE OUT OF THEIR POCKET, MAKE NO COST? NO, THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY ALL THAT. WE WOULD SET, UH, UH, THE TAB, PLUMBING PERMIT AND A PLUMBING PERMIT, UH, DU ALL THAT TO THE INDIVIDUAL. THE ORDINANCES WOULD READ THAT ALL OUR COSTS WOULD, THE CITY WOULD PUT IN THERE THAT ALL THE COSTS REIMBURSABLE BY THE RIGHT BY THE CITIZEN, OF COURSE. IS HOW WE WERE GONNA WORD IT. YEAH. I, GO AHEAD. [00:25:01] I WAS GONNA ASK, I ASSUME THIS WILL RESULT IN SOME COST SAVINGS TO THEM. RIGHT? SO HOW DOES, HOW DOES THAT COST SAVINGS MANIFEST? THEY DO NOT PAY THE SEWER CHARGE, BUT THEY ONLY PAY THE SEWER CHARGE CA I THOUGHT IT WAS CAPPED. IT IS. IT'S CAPPED. SO HE'S ONLY SAVING, OR A RESIDENT IS ONLY SAVING LIKE 16. UH, HE WAS USING 4,000 GALLONS A MONTH DURING THE WINTER. SO HE WOULD BE SAVING 11,000 GALLONS. UH, SO IT'S, HE'S CAPPED AT 15. HE'S CAPPED AT 15. SO HE IS PAYING FOR, HE IS ALWAYS PAYING FOR THE WATER, BUT HE'S PAYING FOR, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY 11,000 GALLONS OF SEWER, UH, PER MONTH. UH, CHARGE ON IT. HE'S USING FOR IRRIGATION. I'M GETTING CONFUSED. HUH? SO IF HE'S USING 40,000 GALLONS OF WATER, HE'S PAY, HE WOULD BE PAYING FOR 15,000 GALLONS OF SEWER. OF SEWER AFTER THE 15. IT STOPS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S THE SEWER PIECE OF IT STOPS. THAT'S WHY HE'S SO, HE'S ONLY SAVING BETWEEN, IF HIS AVERAGE IS DURING THE WINTER 4,000. SO HE IS SAYING WHEN HE DOESN'T WATER AT ALL, HE'S ONLY USING FOUR 4,000. BUT HE IS USING, HE'S PAYING FOR THAT EXTRA 11,000. SO IN JULY HE'S PAYING FOR 11,000 WORTH OF SEWER. SEWER. BUT THE BUT PART, PART OF THE, PART OF THE ISSUE HERE, 'CAUSE THIS COMES UP A LOT, RIGHT. PEOPLE FILLING UP POOLS, THEY WANT WAIVERS. AND THIS IS COMING UP A LOT IN MY EIGHT YEARS ON COUNCIL MM-HMM . AND IT ALWAYS, I'M ALWAYS REMINDED, AND THE REASON I ASK FOR THE CLARIFICATION IS THAT IT'S SORT OF TIED TO HOW WE BILL IT. THAT, THAT WE DON'T SEPARATELY METER OR SEWER. AND IT'S ALL KIND OF BUILT IN AND SQUISHED TOGETHER. AND THAT IF WE, IF WE DID IT THAT WAY, WE COME UP SHORT ON THE SEWER SIDE BECAUSE PERHAPS WE UNDERCHARGE SEWER IN OTHER INSTANCES. RIGHT. SO THIS JUST SEEMS LIKE THIS ANOTHER VARIATION ON THAT SAME ISSUE OF, NOW WAIT A MINUTE, I'M GETTING CONFUSED HERE. HE CALLED ME, HE, WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS FOR US TO HOOK UP TO HIM. ALL HE IS GONNA USE IT FOR IS IRRIGATION. RIGHT. SO IF IT'S NOT A COST TO THE CITY ONE PENNY, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WHAT, WHAT MATT IS TALKING ABOUT IS, IS IS IF, IF, IF IT'S A PERFECT WORLD, AND IF WE WERE COVERING FOR ALL OUR COSTS FOR WATER ON THE WATER SIDE OF THE BILL AND ALL OUR COSTS FOR SEWER ON THE SEWER SIDE OF THE BILL, IT'D BE A LOT CLEANER CUT. BUT IF WE, IF WE UH, IF WE'RE UNDER COLLECTING FOR THE COST OF PRODUCING A A GALLON OF WATER AND WE'RE TAKING THAT AND PUTTING THAT ON THE SEWER SIDE, THEN WE'RE GONNA COME OFF. OR EITHER WAY IT'S GONNA, IT'LL, IT'LL COME OFF, WILL BE UNBALANCED ON THE RECOVERING OUR COST. AND IT'S ONLY BEEN WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. 'CAUSE BEFORE YOU'VE GOT THE THREE PARTS OF YOUR WATER BILL, BASICALLY RIGHT. WATER, SEWAGE, AND SANITATION AND TWO ARE SUBSIDIZING ONE ALREADY BECAUSE OUR RATES WERE SO LOW. CORRECT. SO TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IF THERE WERE VERY MANY OF 'EM, IT WOULD PUT US FURTHER BEHIND OVERALL. WELL THAT'S DEAL. I THINK LONG TERM THE RATES WILL, UH, WILL ADJUST, UH, FOR THAT. I MEAN, IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS TO SWITCH TO MAKE A TENANT. WE ALREADY ALLOW IT FOR APARTMENTS AND BIG COMMERCIAL. THAT'S THE HEAVY USER. SO THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE RATE. THEY THEY DO, THEY WE DO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A SEPARATE METER FOR IRRIGATION. WE JUST DON'T DO IT FOR RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE IT REALLY JUST HASN'T MADE SENSE. YOU DID, AGAIN, IN THIS CASE IT MADE, IT MADE SENSE. YOU ARE CORRECT COUNCIL MEMBER THAT IF EVERYBODY TODAY HAD, UH, SWITCHED OVER TO A SPRINKLER AND YOU SAW A DROP, YOU KNOW, IN REVENUE AND SEWER, WE WOULD EVENTUALLY, UM, ADJUST THOSE RATES TO BALANCE. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO PICK UP YOUR FIXED, YOUR FIXED COST FOR SEWER. BUT THE RATE YOU WOULD ADJUST THOUGH IS THE WATER. WATER, RIGHT? SEWER? NO, WE WOULD ADJUST THE SEWER BECAUSE THE SEWER, BECAUSE WE WOULD'VE HAD THE SEWER RATE IS THE WATER RATE, RIGHT? NO, THEY'RE, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE RATES. BUT IT'S METER. I'M SAYING IT IS BASED ON WATER. THE WATER IN. YES. RIGHT. SO YOU, IT'S, SO YOU WOULD SEE IT. SO YOU, THE ONLY THING WE MEASURE IS WATER. RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD SEE A DROP IN THIS INSTANT. YOU WOULD SEE, UH, LET'S SAY IT WAS SYSTEM WIDE. YOU WOULD SEE 11,000 GALLON DROP ON HIS HOUSE ON THE SEWER. AND LET'S SAY THAT WAS MULTIPLIED BY 2000 HOMES. MM-HMM . WE'RE COLLECTING THAT MUCH LESS REVENUE AND SEWER THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE UP. THE SEWER RATE WOULD THEN BE ADJUSTED ON ALL HOMES. RIGHT. ALL HOMES. UH, ALL HOMES TO ACCOUNT FOR. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A, YOU HAVE A SET COST OF $9 MILLION TO OPERATE THE SEWER SYSTEM. RIGHT? I I'M, [00:30:01] IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY 11, UH, $11 MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO COVER NO MATTER WHAT. AND THE RATES GET DIVIDED UP INTO USE. HOW OFTEN DO YOU GET THESE KIND REQUESTS? UM, FIRST ONE, THIS IS PROBABLY THE FIRST ONE FOR IRRIGATION. WE'VE PROBABLY HAVE HAD MAYBE FIVE OVER MY 30 YEAR CAREER FOR IRRIGATION. FOR IRRIGATION BECAUSE WE GET THE POOL ONE QUITE A BIT, RIGHT? WELL I'M NOT USING THE SEWER, I'M NOT USING THIS WATER TO FLUSH MY TOILET. SO I'M JUST FILLING UP MY SPOON POOL. SO THAT'S THE POOL ONE. HAVE TO PAY THE SEWER RATE. WE'LL MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ALL NOW. WE STILL PAY, WE DO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT ON THE POOL FOR A NEW HOMEOWNER, A NEW POOL COMING IN. I BELIEVE SO. BUT THE DAY OF HOOKING UP TO THE FIRE MEETING DOING YOUR POOL , THAT'S DONE. THAT'S DONE RIGHT. I'M SORRY. THE DAY OF HOOKING YOUR WATER TO THE SEWER, I MEAN TO THE FIRE HYDRANT TO FEED POOL, THAT'S DONE. WE DON'T DO THAT. WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE ALLOW THAT. NO. LET, LET ASK WHILE, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION. AT ONE TIME HE DID. YEAH, FOR SURE. 15,000 A MONTH IS THE SEWER CAT. WHERE DID THAT NUMBER COME FROM? BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE KIND OF THING THAT THE AVERAGE PERSON USES OR WHATEVER, AND THIS GUY JUST HAPPENS TO ONLY USE FOUR MAYBE, BUT I SUSPECT THAT NUMBER WAS GENERATED AS A WAY TO GET THE FINAL NUMBER THAT WE NEED FOR BUDGETING. THAT THAT'S THE SORT OF A, A NOT A MADE UP NUMBER, BUT IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S A TARGET GOAL. AND, AND MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE GOING AWAY WITH CAPPING THE SEWER. THAT'S WHY THEY ALLOW THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. SO IF YOU HAVE A POOL OR SOMETHING, YOU GET A SEPARATE IRRIGATION SYSTEM SO YOU CAN FILL IT UP YOUR POOL AND OTHER STUFF. BUT ON THE WATER SYSTEM, LIKE IN LORETO, IF YOU USE THE WATER SAFE, YOU USE 40,000, WE'LL CHARGE YOU 40,000 GALLON OF SEWER. THAT'S WHY PEOPLE GOES TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY, THEY SEE A SAVINGS. BUT HERE I DO SEE, BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE, UH, VOLUMETRIC RATE, BUT AT RATE INCREASE, WE PROBABLY HAVE TO COME UP WITH DIFFERENT TIERS OF RATE. SO AT THAT TIME IT'LL MAKE SENSE. SO YOU HAVE SAY FROM 1000 TO 10,000 GALLON ONE RATE, WHICH IS AVERAGE FAMILY USE, BUT THE FAMILIES WHO USE 20, 30,000 GALLON, THEY SHOULD PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY ARE COSTING MORE MONEY FOR, SO THOSE THING, ONCE IT COME, YOU WILL SEE MORE, MORE AND MORE REQUESTS FOR IRRIGATION METER BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN SAVE MONEY. I MEAN 15 SOUNDS LIKE ALLOTTED SEWER, BUT I DON'T KNOW. AND SO I'M GUESSING IT WAS, IT IS AT ONE POINT IT WAS FIVE WAS THE CAP. IT IS LIKE, OH, WELL WE NEED SOME MORE MONEY. LET'S MAKE 10 THE CAP. UH, UH, WE NEED SOME MORE MONEY. LET'S MAKE 15. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE 15. UH, AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR THIR 15. OKAY. AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. UM, WE HAVE DISCUSSED PROBABLY ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO OR 12 YEARS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MOVING TO A WINTER AVERAGE. BUT COUNCIL, UH, UH, PREFERRED TO STAY WITH THE, THE 15 AND, BUT WE HAD NOT TALKED ABOUT LOWERING IT OR, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER HISTORICALLY HOW LONG IT'S BEEN WHEN WE DECIDED OR HOW WE DECIDED ON THE 15 MR. CITY MANAGER, IF COUNCIL WISH, WE CAN ASK OUR RATE CONSULTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 'CAUSE THEY DO WAIT FOR ALL OTHER CITIES. SO IF IT MAKES SENSE TO LOWER IT. I, I DID DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT WITH MATT GARRETT, SINCE HE'S DOING THE WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN FOR THE CITY AND THEY STARTED THE UTILITIES. HE ASKED FOR INFORMATION LAST WEEK. AND I SUGGESTED BASED OFF OF THIS, THAT MIGHT BE AS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT. IF THAT'S, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO LOOK AT IT SO WE CAN TELL THEM TO LOOK AT IT. WHAT ARE WE DOING A RATE STUDY AGAIN, OR BASED ON THE, ON THE MASTER PLAN, WHICH WILL PRESENT NEXT MONDAY AT THE WORK THAT COMES UP WITH A NEW RATE TO FUND ALL THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I MEAN, THERE'S NO PERFECT ANSWER. IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE ALLUDED, IT'S LIKE IT'S SQUEEZING A BALLOON, RIGHT? RIGHT. YOU STILL HAVE COST. YOU HAVE A COST AND YOU HAVE TO COVER IT SOMEHOW ON THE RIGHT END. UH, IF ONE SIDE SEES A SAVINGS, SOMEONE ELSE SEES AN INCREASED COST. RIGHT. BUT AGAIN, AND, AND THE, IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, THE SOILS CONDITIONS, PEOPLE HAVE TO WATER THEIR FOUNDATIONS. AND, UH, TO ME, IF IF, IF IT WASN'T AVAILABLE, I PROBABLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN GETTING A SEPARATE MI OF WATER OF A FOUNDATION. AND, UH, IT'S THAT REASON. SO I CAN, YOU KNOW, NOT PAY SEWER COSTS SO THE WATER IS NOT GOING TO SEWER. SO YEAH. AND THE ONLY WAY THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE IS JUST REMOVE THE CAP FROM THE SEWAGE. SEWAGE. AND THAT WAY THAT COST IS NOT DISTRIBUTED TO PEOPLE WHO AREN'T UTILIZING IT AS MUCH. RIGHT? YEAH. IF YOU ADD THEM THIS, THEN YOU REMOVE THE RIGHT. YEAH. NOT ALL IF, IF YOU USE IT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR. NOT, YOU USE IT, GET A CAP AND EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO PAY FOR IT. WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU REMOVE THE CAP, IT DOESN'T [00:35:01] HELP THIS GENTLEMAN ANY, I DON'T THINK. YEAH. BUT IT ALSO DOESN'T PUT THE BURDEN ON THE REST OF THE CITIZENS. I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PUT THE BURDEN ON THE REST OF CITIZENS EITHER. SO. YEAH. YEAH. THE, UH, I I MEAN I'VE OWNED HOMES IN LAKE JACKSON AND CLUT FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND I'VE NEVER WATERED A SLAB. I KNOW PEOPLE SUGGESTED, BUT I'VE, I'VE NEVER DONE IT AND I'VE NEVER HAD A SLAB FAILURE. BUT, UH, I GUESS I'M JUST LUCKY LIVING ON BORROWED TIME. YEAH. I PAID $20,000 TO LABEL MY HOUSE NOT SIX MONTHS AGO. SO YOU'RE LUCKY. SO DO WE WANT TO, I'D BE INTERESTED TO REVISIT THIS AFTER WE HAVE THE, THE WATER WORKSHOP AND, OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, FOR ME IT WOULD SEEM, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE THE, THE MORE ACCURATELY YOU COULD DEVELOP THE, LIKE THE, THE, THE BILLING ACCURACY IS SORT OF THE, THE ISSUE, RIGHT? THE FACT THAT WE DON'T MEET OR SEWER AND SO WE'RE USING WATER AS A PROXY FOR SEWER IS CONFUSING AND IT IS HARD FOR PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND IT'S HARD FOR US TO GET RIGHT. IT'S A LOT, IT'S A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE THAN METERING BOTH OF THEM. NO, FOR SURE. I GET, I DEFINITELY GET THAT. WE'RE DEFINITELY SAVING PEOPLE MONEY. BUT IT'S LIKE OPTICALLY, IT'S HARD TO SAY WHY YOU GOTTA PAY SEWER FOR, FOR WATER. YOU'RE PUTTING IN YOUR POOL OR WATER, YOU'RE PUTTING ON YOUR GRASS. AND I, I GET THAT. AND IF THE ANSWER IS, WELL IT'S BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ALL JUST ONE THING AND WE JUST NEED $9 MILLION, THEN MAYBE THAT IS THE ANSWER. AND THAT'S PERFECTLY FINE. 'CAUSE IT'D BE, THAT'S STILL BETTER THAN WHAT IT WOULD COST IF WE METER TO SEWER. BUT OPTICALLY IT NEEDS TO ALL MATCH UP BETTER. WELL, I'LL ASK JAMES AND MARIA AND ERIC WHILE THEY'RE TALKING TO THE CONSULTANT TO SEE, UM, IF IT'S HOW MUCH WORK IT IS TO EXPLORE THE WINTER AVERAGE, UH, THE WINTER AVERAGE SOLVES THE PROBLEM, UH, BECAUSE IT'S TAKING YOUR USAGE, YOU KNOW, IN LOW MONTHS OF THE YEAR, LET'S SAY DECEMBER, JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. BUT AGAIN, THAT HAS A COST IMPACT. IT MOVES, IT MOVES THE RATE AROUND. BUT THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE OPTION OF, UH, THE COUNCIL CONSIDER, UH, THAT GETS YOU OUT OF YOU'RE CHARGING ME TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW? FOR SURE. BECAUSE YOU WIND UP IN THIS CASE, HIS, HIS, HIS, HIS CAP WOULD'VE THEN BEEN SET AT FOR SEWER FOR FOUR. WELL, LIKE AT ONE, LIKE AT ONE POINT, I REMEMBER, THIS IS A LONG TIME AGO. 'CAUSE I WAS TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ALL THIS WHEN I WAS LEARNING ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF AND IT WAS LIKE, OKAY, WELL IT'S, IT'S $10 FOR THE WATER AND IT'S $5 FOR THE SEWER. RIGHT? WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST GET RID OF THE, THE SEWER FIVE AND MAKE IT ALL, MAKE IT $15 FOR THE WATER? 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT REALLY MEASURING THE SEWER. IT'S NOT, THAT'S A FAKE, IT'S A MADE UP NUMBER. IT WHY NOT JUST CUT IT, ADD THE SEWER RATE TO THE WATER RATE AND BE DONE WITH IT. THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS FOR A GALLON OF WATER PERIOD. I DON'T CARE IF YOU PUT IT ON YOUR YARD, PUT IT DOWN THE TOILET OR WHAT YOU DO WITH IT. THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS FOR WATER. AND YOU GET, AND YOU GET SEWER FOR FREE, FREE SEWER. BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S ALL JUST, YOU KNOW, THE COST YOU MORE MONEY TO TREAT THAN THE WATER. THE WHAT SEWER COST YOU MORE MONEY TO TREAT. WELL THEN WATER'S 20 A GALLON. IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT'S ALL FAKE. IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL BUILT IN. YOU'RE PRETENDING THAT THE, YOU'RE MAKING IT LOOK LIKE OPTICALLY THAT THE SEWER IS METERED WHEN IT'S NOT JUST MAKE THE WATER RATE THE CURRENT WATER PLUS SEWER RATE, CALL IT GOOD COUNCIL MEMBER. THAT'S A VERY INNOVATIVE APPROACH. , I MEAN THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING, RIGHT? WE WOULD, WE WOULD BE THE HIGHEST ON WATER RATE AND THE LOWEST IN TEXAS PURSUER. THAT'S RIGHT. WE GOTTA SPEND SOME WATER. BUT OUR SEWER'S FREE. I MEAN YOU SEWER, IT'S THE SAME THING, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING. RIGHT? IT'S THE ACCOUNTING WISE, IT'S THE SAME THING. IT IS TRUE. ALL OUR COST IS IS PRACTICALLY SET. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN WHAT YOU COULD DO IS JUST BASICALLY JUST SAY YOUR UTILITY BILL IS THIS AND ANY UTILITY BILL IS WATER, SEWER, WHAT ELSE YOU, WHATEVER YOU WANT WITH. AND SO, BUT THE THING IS THAT GOES, THAT GOES CONTRADICTORY TO WHERE YOU DO HAVE THE PERSON THAT IS WATCHING THEIR PENNIES AND THEY WANT TO KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THIS IS WATER AND HOW MUCH OF IT IS SEWER IS COST AND SO FORTH. AND SO THERE'S GONNA ALWAYS BE THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA WANT THE PE THERE IS GONNA BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE INTERESTED IN WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN, WHAT IS IT? YOU KNOW, ARE WE MORE EFFICIENT AND AT TAKING CARE OF OUR SEWER THAN WE ARE OTHER CITIES AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. SO IT'S, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO GREAT ANSWER. THE ONLY WAY TO GET THAT DAY WOULD BE TO INSTALL A METER ON THE SEWER. OTHERWISE YOU JUST MAKE YOU JUST MAKING THAT WORKS, SAL. YOU NEED ONE MORE PROJECT BEFORE YOU RETIRE. YOU GONNA MAKE HIM RETIRE SOONER. SO I'M JUST, I'M JUST, SO, SO YOU'RE RIGHT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO, UH, DEFER THIS AND, UM, QUESTION THE QUESTION THE CONSULTANT ABOUT WINTER AVERAGING, I FIRST STARTED HERE, I'M BRINGING IN FULL CIRCLE. I DON'T, THE DRAFT IS GONNA WORK. [00:40:01] YEAH. AND LOOK AT THAT POSSIBILITY. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND REVISIT THIS AND SEE IF COUNCIL'S OPEN, OPEN TO IT. THIS CONVERSATION MAKES ME REALLY EXCITED FOR THE WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK. OR AT LEAST ALSO EXPLORE THE, UM, HOW WE CAME ABOUT ON THE 15,000 CAP, UM, AND, AND WHAT THAT IS. BUT AGAIN, EVEN LOWERING THE CAP STILL AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, THE RATE. BUT THOSE ARE ALL POSSIBILITIES OF LOOKING IN THE, IN THE, WITH THE RIGHT CONSULTANT. RIGHT. OKAY. WELL INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD DEFER IS WHAT I'M GONNA SAY IS WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS TONIGHT AND STAFF IS GOING TO DO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, BECAUSE IF YOU DEFER, YOU REALLY SHOULD PUT DEFER TO A CERTAIN DATE. AND SO, AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY TO DO THAT. ALRIGHT. EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT ON THAT ITEM? NO COPY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE [6. Staff Updates] ON TO, UM, ITEM SIX, STAFF UPDATES. CITY MANAGER. JUST A REMINDER, UH, NEXT MONDAY WE HAVE OUR WATER WASTEWATER MASTER PLAN WORKSHOP. WE ARE NOT TALKING RATES THAT NIGHT. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS IMPROVEMENT, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR WATER AND SEWER. YOU WILL SEE THE COST, UH, AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO PHASE PHASE THOSE IN. UM, UM, BUT THEN WE WILL, WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE IMPACT OF THOSE. UM, YOU'RE, UH, BE PREPARED TO, UH, JUST BRACE YOURSELF ON THE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF COST THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE NEED TO, UM, THAT WE NEED TO PUT INTO THE, TO THE SYSTEM. IT'S GOTTEN, UH, AS I'VE, YOU KNOW, FOREWARN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST COUPLE YEARS, UM, THE INVESTMENT, UH, THAT WE NEED TO MAKE IN THE WATER AND SEWER IS, IS GREAT. AND EVERY CITY IN TEXAS OR EVEN THE UNITED STATES IS FACED WITH THIS CHALLENGE. AND SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ALONE AND WE PAY FOR IT THROUGH THE WATER RATE. EVEN THE SEWER PIECE. YEAH. YES. JUST SO EVERYBODY'S CLEAR. OKAY. UH, SUMMARY OF ITEMS. THE ONLY THING WE HAD IS, UH, UH, WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT IN ITEM FIVE. YES. AND THEN THE ONLY, I, I GUESS TO GO BACK TO THAT JUST A COMMENT IS, IS THAT HOPEFULLY WHAT YOU'LL DO IS YOU'LL GO FIND OUT WHAT THE COST IS GOING TO GO TO GET THEM TO LOOK AT THAT AND GIVE US THAT INPUT. BECAUSE IF IT'S AN EXTREMELY LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IS, AGAIN, WE'VE ONLY GET A REQUEST EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO. SO THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANNA GO SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY TO ADDRESS MAYBE NOT A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR THE CITY? YEAH. AND IT MAY NOT BE BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY PAYING THEM TO DO OUR, YOU KNOW, RATE STUDY. THIS MAY BE JUST AN ADDED FUNCTION THAT THEY CAN'T, THAT THEY CAN'T DO WITH NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE. BUT WE'LL FIND OUT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. [7. Construction Updates] UH, CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. THIS IS THE SECOND, UH, MEETING IN A MONTH AND THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WHERE YOU ARE GONNA BE PRESENTED, UH, WITH THE CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. UH, WE'RE CHANGING THIS A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S THE WAY THE CITY MANAGEMENT WANTED. UH, I'M OPEN HERE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THE, UH, ANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE HAD AN INTEREST IN. SO, SO I CAN UPDATE ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL. ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL. OKAY. YES. UM, BUT THIS IS, UH, YEAH, THIS IS RIGHT NOW THAT'LL BE PART OF THE, UH, THE UPDATES, UH, THE ANIMAL CONTROL PRODUCT COME IN EVERY, EVERY, EVERY MEETING OR YOU NO, EVERY EVERY MONTH. YEAH, EVERY MONTH. ON THE SECOND TIME, SECOND PERIOD OF THE TIME. YEAH. BEFORE, I'M SORRY. BEFORE, UM, SAL GETS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS WE'RE TRYING TO STREAMLINE, UH, THE UPDATE. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF UPDATES MM-HMM . EVERY MEETING. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO SALES UPDATE ONCE A MONTH AND THEN ONE MEETING, AND THEN THEN THE OTHER MEETING DAVID WILL GIVE AN UPDATE ON NEW, ON NEW BUSINESSES AND KIND OF ALTERNATE THEM, IF THAT'S OKAY. YEP. I NOTICED OUR, OUR FACILITY BEING BUILT, THERE'S A POND THAT'S BEING BUILT. WHAT'S DETENTION POND? IS THAT YES. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE FOR ANY TYPE OF PRECONSTRUCTION, UH, IN THE CITY, IS THAT WE CREATE A, UH, MITIGATION POND FOR, FOR DRAINAGE PURPOSES IN ORDER TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. CORRECT. IF LIKE THE SCHOOLS DID AND ALL THAT. YES. JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL DID AND EVERYTHING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER PROJECT THAT YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN PROVIDING? I'LL GIVE YOU THE FULL UPDATES IF, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT THERE. UH, BUT I'LL LET YOU BE THE, THE JUDGES HERE. THE, THE YO PON AT, UH, DOGWOOD AND SOUTHERN OAK. WHAT'S GOING ON THERE? OH, OKAY. THAT IS THE, UH, THAT IS THE, UH, SANITARY SEWER, UH, UH, PIPE BURSTING THAT HAS [00:45:01] BEEN GOING ON, WHICH IS ABOUT READY TO FINISH. UH, AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE ON THEIR, ON THEIR LAST, UH, REQUIREMENTS. UH, PROBABLY WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN WAS A, UH, THERE WAS AN ACCIDENT HAPPENED LAST WEEK AT THAT, UH, PROJECT. NO, YOU WEREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THAT. I'M TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, NO, UH, I JUST HAD SEEN IT. I DRIVE THAT WAY, DROP MY KIDS OFF AT SCHOOL, AND MY DAUGHTER ASKED ME WHAT IT WAS. WE HAD AN INCIDENT, UH, A VERY, UH, IT WAS A VERY, UH, WELL, UH, ROLLOVER. IT WAS A ROLLOVER. UH, I, I HEARD ABOUT THAT INCIDENT, BUT I HADN'T CORRECT HEARD IMPACTING THIS PROJECT. BUT THE PROJECT ITSELF, NOW IT'S CLOSING AND THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN THE LAST, THEY WERE DOING THE LAST MANHOLE TODAY, THE LAST MANHOLE REPAIR OR INSTALLATION. AND THERE'S CONCRETE TO BE, UH, PLACED AND THEY'LL BE THE LAST THING THING THAT GOES IN THE, AND THE SIDEWALKS ALONG WITH THE PAVES ALL JUST WHATEVER PAYMENTS ARE LEFT OVER TO DO, AND THAT WE'LL COMPLETE THAT PROCESSING SHADY ACRES COMING ALONG PRETTY GOOD. SHADY OAKS. SHADY OAKS? CORRECT. THEY, UH, THEY POURED THE LAST, UH, PORTION OF CONCRETE ON PIN OAK. THEY HAVEN'T DRESSED UP THE, THE PARTICULAR STREET, THE LAST ITEM. THEY'LL GO ON THAT, ON THAT STREET AND PIN OAK WILL BE THE ACTUAL, UH, JOINT SEALANT. AND THEN THEY WILL OPEN THE STREET UP, UM, ENTIRELY FOR TRAFFIC TO, UH, FOR TRAFFIC TO BE HAD. AT THE SAME TIME. ONE QUAR, ONE QUARTER OF THE, UH, NORTH SHADY OAKS WAS, HAS BEEN ALREADY POURED. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE, UH, THE NEXT QUARTER. AND THEY WILL BE PROBABLY CASTING CONCRETE ON THAT PART, UH, THAT PARTICULAR PORTION, UH, THIS WEEK. AND, UH, THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE OTHER HALF OF THAT SAME NORTH SHADY OAKS, UH, PORTION OF THAT. THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO, UH, FOREST OAKS LANE YET UNTIL THEY FINISH, UH, NORTH SHADY OAKS. AND BY THEN WE SHOULD BE ALSO OPEN UP THAT PORTION OF, UH, SYCAMORE THAT HAS BEEN ALREADY COMPLETED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT'S JUST PRIMARILY SERVING AS RIGHT NOW AS A STORAGE TYPE OF, UM, UH, AREA FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PRO CONTRACTOR. AND ON THE, UH, ON THE, UH, ANIMAL, UH, FACILITY THEY HAVE, THEY'RE MOVING QUITE A BIT. I MEAN, ON THE EARTHWORK PORTION OF THAT, THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THERE, THAT'S YEAH, THE, THE, THE POND HAS BEEN, HAS BEEN EXCAVATED, THE MATERIAL HAS BEEN MOVED AND START, AND HAS, HAS BEEN SPREAD, UH, ON THE, UH, PAVED AREAS THAT ARE GONNA BE, AND THEY ARE READY TO START MOVING IN THE, UH, THE STRUCTURAL BACKFIELD THAT WILL GO UNDERNEATH THE, UH, THE BUILDING ITSELF. THEY WILL BE STARTING THAT ONE PROBABLY BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. AND, UH, THEY WERE JUST WAITING FOR THE, UH, COMPACTION ON THE FOUNDATION AREA TO, TO PASS BEFORE THEY START PUTTING IN THE FIELD THERE. THAT'S GONNA RAISE IT. RAISE SYCAMORE STREET. LOOKS GOOD. CORRECT. IT LOOKS REAL GOOD, CORRECT? IT DOES. AND, UH, WE ARE ARE PUTTING OUT A, UH, AN RFP ON, UH, THE THREE SIGNALS THAT ARE BEING, UH, FOR DESIGN PURPOSES, THEY'RE PUTTING AN RFP FOR AN ENGINEERING, UH, CONSULTANT FOR THAT, FOR THAT PROJECT. IT'LL BE GOING OUT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR ADVERTISING THIS, THIS WEEK, WE'LL SEE HOW THE RFP GOES FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND WHICH THREE ST. LOUIS ARE THOSE? EXCUSE ME. WHICH THREE ST. LOUIS ARE THOSE, UH, COULD YOU HELP ME THERE? THE THREE, UH, SYCAMORE AND PLANTATION, UH, DIXIE, DIXIE DRIVE AND RISES. WOOD. WOOD AND THEN YUN AND OYSTER CREEK. OYSTER CREEK DRIVE, ALL THREE OF THOSE WERE DAMAGED SEVERELY BY THE STORM BUSY INTERSECTION. ONE WAS COMPLETELY REMOVED. YES. THEN ONE SYCAMORE SMORE WAS WORKING FINE LIKE THIS. OH YEAH. , WE DON'T EAT TRAFFIC. BUT ANYWAY, GOING BACK TO THE OLD DAYS, YES. IT'S NOT A BAD DEAL THERE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN VERY CIVIL ABOUT THAT. ALL DOING THE, THEY HAD, THEY HAD THEIR INTERSECTION WITH STOP SIGN FOR A LONG TIME THERE. CORRECT. AND PLANTATION. CORRECT. WE ARE AT, UH, ALMOST, UH, I'M GONNA SAY WE'RE ALMOST FINISHING UP ON THE DESIGN FOR THE, UH, NEXT MAJOR STREET PROJECT ON MOSS CHESTER. UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AMOUNT, UH, THE, UH, OPINION OF VALUE ON THIS, THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT THAT IS WORRISOME, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, THE INFLATION FACTORS. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S ALL GONNA FA UH, PAN OUT, BUT, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE PUTTING IN THE PROJECT, THE PROJECT OUT THERE, HOPING THAT SOME, SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE, WHETHER IT'S RIGHT NOW OR A LITTLE BIT LATER ON IN THE FUTURE OF THAT PROJECT BEING PUT OUT. [00:50:03] OKAY. SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING, ANYBODY ELSE, ANY QUESTIONS ON PROJECTS FOR SAL? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. AND WE'LL START WITH, UH, MR. BUELL. NO, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MR. HANYA. A COUPLE ITEMS, UH, AS YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT, UH, PEOPLE KEEP ON RUNNING INTO THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING LIGHT AT, UH, 2004 AND LAKE ROAD IN THE PAST. YEAH. THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT IN OVER A YEAR NOW YET, SO, YES. SO I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHY THEY'RE DOING THAT. OKAY. SO AT NIGHTTIME, IF YOU DRIVE DOWN 2004, WHEN THEY ADDED THEIR ISLAND, THEY DIDN'T MOVE THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL. SO ONE GREEN LIGHT IS RIGHT IN TOP OF THE, THE CROSSING SIGNAL. OKAY. SO IF YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN 2004, YOU SEE LEFT TURN, YOU SEE A STRAIGHT LINE AND A STREET STRAIGHT LINE. AND IF YOU FOLLOW THOSE TRAFFIC LIGHTS, YOU RUN RIGHT OVER THOSE ISX. SO IS THAT COMING? WHICH WAY? FROM, UH, GOING, UH, GOING, UH, WEST LEFT TURN. OKAY. SO THEY NEED TO MOVE, UH, STATE NEEDS TO MOVE THOSE LIGHTS OVER. SO ALIGNED WITH THE TRAFFIC LANES. OKAY. THEY'RE WAY OFF AT LAKE ROAD IN 2004. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO WE DRIVE THERE. LOOK AT IT BEHIND THE CREDIT UNION. YEAH. YEAH. THEY JUST, THEY JUST REPLACED THE, ALL THOSE LIGHTS TOO. YEAH. AND THEY DID NOT LINE 'EM UP. SO THEY ARE VERY MISALIGNED. OKAY. AND THEY'RE NOT. AND THE SECOND THING IS COMING OFF LAKE ROAD, UH, MAKING A LEFT TURN TO GOING 2000 WEST. NO, SORRY. YEAH. 2000 EAST. UH, THERE IS A BIG OLD POTHOLE IN THE STATE, STATE, UH, RIGHT OF STATE LANE THAT, UH, DAMAGING PEOPLE'S VEHICLES IF THEY CAN GET IT REPAIRED. IT'S GOING TOWARDS THE, UH, WATER TOWER DENMARK GOING TOWARDS THE WATER TOWER. YEAH, YEAH. GOING GO EAST. OKAY. THIS, SORRY. OKAY, MR. BARTIS, UH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE, THE ONE I'M, I STILL SEE THAT, UH, THAT WAY IN 2004, WHERE THAT POLE'S NOT LONG ENOUGH. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. OH YEAH. MAYBE YEARS AGO. BUT IT'S THE SAME, THE SAME IDEA THAT THE, THE LIGHTS DON'T LINE UP WITH THE LANES. 'CAUSE THAT LANE MAKES A LITTLE JOG TO THE LEFT THERE. AND THEN I'M SURPRISED NOTHING THIS HAPPENED YET, THANK GOODNESS. BUT THE WAY THE LIGHTS ARE TIMED, THE SECOND LIGHT TURNS GREEN BEFORE THE FRONT LIGHT. AND I, I, I THINK THAT'S THE RECIPE FOR AT LEAST THEY HAVE RAF AT LEAST THEY HAVE, UH, NOT TRAFFIC LIGHT, BUT STREET LIGHTS THERE. YEAH. ON 2004 AND LAKE ROAD, THERE ARE NO LIGHTS. THE NIGHT IS PITCH DARK AND YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE LANE AND YOU'RE RUN RIGHT OVER THOSE ISLANDS. YEP. I GOT NOTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, WHAT THAT TWO QUICK THINGS. SHRED DAYS COMING UP THIS COMING SATURDAY, UM, EIGHT TO 11:30 AM AT MCLEAN PARK. SO THAT'S ALWAYS A POPULAR EVENT. GET THERE EARLY. IT'S A GREAT THING. UM, SECOND THING IS I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE SANITATION CREW. SO TUESDAY IS MY GARBAGE TODAY. MY SON, MY 11-YEAR-OLD SON IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING OFF GARBAGE EVERY TUESDAY AND FRIDAY. NO, IT IS GONE. AND, UH, HE OVERSLEPT, BRING BREAK. AND SO GIVE THE KID A BREAK. I JUST HAPPENED TO REMEMBER BECAUSE I, I SAW THE GARBAGE TRUCK. IT WAS LIKE ONE, ONE HOUSE AWAY FROM US. SO I GO AND WAKE HIM UP, I SAY, YOU BETTER HURRY UP. AND UM, SO OF COURSE BY THE TIME HE GETS OUT THERE IN BAREFOOT AND CRAZY HAIR AND NOT AWAKE AND TRYING TO DRAG THE GARBAGE OUT THERE, THEY WERE OUT. NOW FOUR HOUSES PASSED US AND HE KIND OF HOLLERED AT HIM AND THEY SAW HIM AND JUST A SHOUT OUT TO THAT CREW. THEY BACKED UP AND THEY HELPED HIM GET ALL THE GARBAGE IN THE TRUCK. AND I JUST THOUGHT THEY JUST WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HELP THIS KID TRACKING THE, UH, GARBAGE TRUCK. THEY WERE, THEY WEREN'T, THEY WERE RECRUITING THEM. , WHY NOT? I'M ON KIDDO. I CAN'T FOR A RIDE. I CAN'T TELL YOU. HE'S GONNA SHOW UP TO WORK ON TIME OF, BASED ON THAT SPRING BREAK. I, I'D LIKE TO ASK SOMETHING TO THAT. SANITATION CREW IS EXCELLENT AND VERY GOOD ALL THE TIME. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY INSTANCE. YEAH. I'VE SEEN THEM OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. HELPING LITTLE OLD LADIES BRING THEIR TRASH OUT AND, UH, JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND, ALWAYS GOING BEYOND. SO THEY OUGHT TO BE COMMEND IT FOR THAT. I WISH WE COULD DO SOMETHING FOR THEM, BUT I KNOW SHERRY WILL TELL US WE CAN'T. SO I DON'T BRING THAT UP ANYMORE, BUT PLEASE PASS THAT ALONG TO THAT CREW. AND THAT WAS ON TUESDAY, THREE 11. WILL, WE ALREADY DID. GOOD. GOOD. GOOD. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. MR. B? NO, SIR, I DEFERRED MY TIME TO COUNCILMAN SETH. ALL RIGHT. I WAS TRYING TO GO, I'VE BEEN SCROLLING THROUGH HERE TRYING TO FIND, UH, SOME STUFF, BUT I CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT NOW. BUT, UH, THE OTHER THING AS FAR AS AN UPDATE, UM, ON, UH, THE WORK WE'RE DOING ON THE SIDE, UH, CONCERNING THE, UH, UH, KAT'S DISCUSSIONS AND STUFF, UH, UH, I'VE HAD MEETINGS, UH, TWO MEETINGS WITH STAFF AND, UH, THEY'RE [00:55:01] GOING TO, UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, SHERRY'S WORKED UP A DRAFT AND SO I ASKED, UH, FOR STAFF TO GO LINE BY LINE THROUGH THE DRAFT TOMORROW. AND, UH, I, I CAN'T BE THERE 'CAUSE I'LL BE IN HOUSTON AT MEETINGS, BUT, UH, UH, HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE GETTING SOMETHING BACK TO THE TASK FORCE AND THEN BACK TO COUNCIL HERE, UH, SOON SO WE CAN, UH, TAKE CARE OF IT, FINALIZE THAT. AND UH, SO JUST WANNA GIVE Y'ALL AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE AT ON THAT. UH, JUST A STAFF. NO, UH, THANK YOU, UH, FOR SPRING BREAK. IT WAS VERY QUIET. THANK YOU. STAFF AND COUNCIL. UM, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE, UH, STAFF? NO, NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. HAVE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.