* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] JUSTICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SHERRY. [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] ALL RIGHT. EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? ANY EROTA, GOOD MINUTES ARE APPROVED. VISITORS, COMMENTS, ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, IF ANYBODY'S HERE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU, THAT'LL BE THE TIME. UH, IN GENERAL, IF YOU COME TO THE THING TO SPEAK, MAKE SURE YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. APPRECIATE [4. PUBLIC HEARING TO DISCUSS WHETHER TO ADD HOSPITALS AS A PERMITTED USE TO THE OAK WOODS PUD, WHICH IS BOUNDED BY OYSTER CREEK DRIVE, CIRCLE WAY AND OAK DRIVE.] FIRST ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING, SO WE WILL CALL A PUBLIC HEARING ON PURPOSE. , I JUST JOKING. DO WE HAVE ANY REPRESENTATIVE FROM ? I DON'T SEE HIM. I SPOKE TO HIM THIS AFTERNOON. HE'S PLANNING TO BE HERE. OKAY. OH, OKAY. MAYBE WE'RE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT, A LITTLE BIT FAST. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. WE, WE GO BY THAT BY THAT CLOCK, BUT , WELL, EDDIE, YOU NEED TO GO PUT NEW BATTERIES IN IT. YEAH. YEAH. IT'S IN LINE WITH CITY COMPUTERS, ACTUALLY. SORRY. STAY 69. NO CITY COMPUTERS ARE TWO MINUTES BEHIND. EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE WORLD , OR LOOK AT THE ONE ON THE WALL. I'M VERY, I'LL BE FINE. THE LORD AND I HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I, HE'S GONNA SEE IF HE HAS PHONE NUMBER. SEE IF WE CAN CHECK. NICOLE, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU CAN SHOW US JUST TO GET US KIND OF PRIME? YEAH, WE CAN GET THE PICTURES OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE THE ONE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE LOOKED AT, UM, LAST MONTH HERE, AS WELL AS ELEVATION REVIEW. AND, LET'S SEE, THIS IS, I THINK EVERYONE HERE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION WITHIN THE OAKWOOD C. SO THIS IS PROPOSED BEHIND HEB. UM, WE COULD TALK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT LAST MONTH, UM, OF THE STREET VIEW. MM-HMM . STREET VIEW. SO IT WOULD BE THIS, UM, BOX NEXT TO QUICK NAME. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . CAN Y'ALL JUST GO AHEAD AND MAYBE GO OVER WHAT'S ON THE MEMO? SUMMARIZE WHAT'S, UM, YES. I MEAN, IT IS BASICALLY THE SAME MEMO THAT YOU GOT THE, UH, AT PRELIMINARY OR THE PREVIOUS, UH, DISCUSSION FOR THE, UH, CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IN THIS ACCIDENT. UH OH. THEY'RE OKAY. UH, THEY'RE HEADED THIS WAY. ETA 6 55. OKAY. WELL, GOODNESS. DO YOU WANT TO, THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS EITHER JUST, UH, SORT OF TABLE THIS UNTIL 6 55 OR, OR IF YOU WANT TO PROCEED AND LET'S [00:05:01] DISCUSS IT AND GO. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GONNA BRING TO THE TABLE OTHER THAN WHAT I ALREADY KNOW. OKAY. IT WAS, LIKE I SAID, UH, BASED ON THE PREVIOUS ONE, THIS PARTICULAR, UH, DEVELOPMENT, WE FOUND, UH, UH, SORT OF A, AFTER THEY HAD ALREADY GONE AND PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY, OR THEY HAD CLOTHES ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF, AND AT THAT TIME, WE REALIZED THAT THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PUT IN A HOSPITAL, WHICH WAS NOT AN ALLOWED USE ON THE PUD. AS IT STANDS, IT WASN'T DEFINED OR DESCRIBED IN THE PUD FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE. IT HAS AN UNDERLYING B TWO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT USE, WHICH DOES NOT CONTAIN A HOSPITAL AS PART OF THE, UH, PRESCRIBED USES. AND THEREFORE, AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, WE RAISED THE FLAG. WE TOLD THE FELLOWS, UH, THE ARCHITECT AT THE TIME THAT ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IF THEY WANT TO HAVE THIS OR CONTINUE ON THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT TRACK, WAS TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR, UH, A, UH, REVISIT OR AMEND, UH, A CALL FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD IF YOU FELT LIKE THAT WAS, UH, PROPER. UH, IF YOU FELT YOU FELT THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE ACTUAL CITY OR TO THE ACTUAL LOCATION. THEY CAME THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS FIRST TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE WHETHER YOU, YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANTED TO GRANT THAT PUBLIC HEARING OR JUST NIP IT AT THE BUD AND NOT DO IT. UH, BUT YOU FELT LIKE, UH, IT WAS WORTH DISCUSSING THIS FURTHER. UH, AND, UH, GIVEN AND GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THAT AND ALSO TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT TO, TO, UH, UH, APPROVE A AND RECOMMEND THAT, UH, THAT IT BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE THIS USE, UH, IN THIS, IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IN THAT PUD, UH, AT THAT TIME YOU DECIDED THAT IT WAS WORTHWHILE. AND THEREFORE, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE, UH, STATU, UH, STATUTORY PROCESS, BUT THE STATE REQUIRES THAT WE DO AS FAR AS, UH, NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC, UH, THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER. UH, AND ALSO BY WAY OF MAILING, UH, TO THOSE PROPERTIES ARE WITHIN WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES. THAT'D BE 200 FOOT OF THE PROPERTY. IN THIS CASE, WE WENT A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THAT ONE BECAUSE SOME OF THE RESIDENCE IS LODGE JUST A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE 200 FOOT MARK BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE LARGE PARKWAYS THAT SURROUND THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. UH, SO WE ALSO WENT THROUGH ANOTHER, UH, I MEAN ANOTHER REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY HAS, WHICH IS TO, UH, TO, UH, INSTALL OR ERECT A, UH, AN ACTUAL, UH, SIGN FOR THE PUBLIC AS THEY DRIVE BY, UH, TO SEE AND TAKE, UH, AND TAKE A PHOTO OF THAT ONE IN ORDER FOR IT TO, UH, TO, FOR THEM TO KNOW WHAT TYPE OF, UH, WHAT TYPE OF SIGN IT IS. THAT SIGN SAYS THAT IT IS A, THAT THAT PROPERTY IS, UH, GONNA GO FOR, UH, BEFORE, FOR PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO, UH, TO THE PUBLIC HEARING TO TRY TO REZONE IT OR TO CHANGE THE USE OF THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY FROM WHAT IT IS. SO THAT WENT, UH, AND THOSE ARE INSTALLED. THE CITY PROVIDES THOSE SIGNS. THE PROPERTY OWNER OR DEVELOPER GOES OUT THERE AND INSTALLS THOSE ON THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THEY CAN, THEY HAVE A QR CODE FOR, UH, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN, LIKE I SAID, TAKE, UH, TAKE PHOTO OF THAT AND THEN BE AWARE OF WHAT THE SIGN READS, THE CURRENT ZONING. DO WE KNOW IF IT, IF IT PURPOSELY, UH, DIDN'T LIST HOSPITALS OR JUST BY OMISSION? THE CURRENT ZONING IS, LIKE I SAID, DIDN'T LIST IT, YOU KNOW, IT DIDN'T PRESCRIBE THAT SPECIFIC USE. AND IT IS AN UNDERLYING, UH, B TWO AND IT DOESN'T ALLOW THAT ONE. SO IT'S EITHER PRESCRIBED IN THE ZONE, AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT IS NOT MR. CHAIR, UH, MEMBERS. I CAN PROBABLY TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. MY RECOLLECTION IS WHEN WE, WHEN HEB CAME IN, EXPLAIN FOR THE POD CAN EXPLAIN, WE GAVE 'EM A LIST OF ANYTHING THAT WAS, IS AVAILABLE IN OUR ZONING, AND THEY PICKED AND [00:10:01] CHOOSE WHAT THEY THOUGHT THAT THEY WANTED NEXT TO 'EM OR WHAT THEY COULD SELL FOR. AND IT WAS SIMPLE OF THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, WE REALLY HAD ANY DISAGREEMENTS OVER THAT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, REALLY THE DISCUSSION REALLY CENTERED AROUND MIXED USE. YES. YOU REMEMBER THAT WAS A WHOLE GIST, A GIST OF THAT DURING THAT TYPE OF, UH, DISCUSSIONS THAT THEY WERE HAD WITH YOU AND WITH THE COUNCIL, WAS THE FACT THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET HIM EXCUSE THAT, UH, WORKING, I MEAN, LIV LIVABLE CENTER INSIDE THE, IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE CITY. AND THAT WAS THE BIGGEST DISCUSSION WAS. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THE, THE LIMIT ON APARTMENTS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, HEB KIND OF WENT DOWN THE LIST AND THEY PICKED AND UH, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT THEY PICKED THAT, UM, IT'S JUST AS SIMPLE AS THAT. DO YOU, MODESTO, DO YOU KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT A HOSPITAL THERE? I THINK IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT A HOSPITAL, AND MAYBE NOT JUST THIS IN PARTICULAR, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND COUNCIL WOULD PROBABLY BE CONCERNED WITH TRAFFIC, PARKING, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THOSE NATURE. UH, 'CAUSE IT COULD BE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL DEVELOPMENT OR IT COULD BE INTENSE. UH, I THINK THOSE WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT, UH, PLANNING COUNCIL WOULD BE CONCERNED WITH. UM, I MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING. UM, UM, I WOULD THINK IT MAY SIMILAR TO WHAT, LIKE THE DOW LABS. THERE'S POSSIBLE EXHAUST FAN STUFF AND SEWAGE WASTE THAT MAY BE PARTICULAR TO THE HOSPITAL. IT COULD BE. YEAH. YOU MAY BE. UM, I THINK THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE. YEAH. BUT THAT REALLY DOESN'T, AS FAR AS OUR SYSTEMS, UH, THEY ARE COMPATIBLE, NOT COMPATIBLE, BUT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY HANDLE IT. THEY HANDLE, YEAH. I HAVEN'T, UH, I MEAN, UM, THE HO THE CURRENT HOSPITAL, I CAN'T, UM, OTHER THAN THERE'S BEEN, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TRAFFIC COMPLAINTS. THE ROADS ARE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, UH, BIGGER THERE TO HANDLE, UH, THAT, BUT FROM, UH, THE NUMBER OF BEDS IN THIS HOSPITAL IS NOT GONNA BE THAT GREAT. IT'S PRIMARILY A A DAY TYPE BUSINESS, JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER ER CENTERS AROUND, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION WAS THEY WANTED TO CREATE A HOSPITAL WHICH REQUIRED BEDS SO THAT PATIENTS THAT CAME TO THE ER THAT JUST NEEDED TO BE STABILIZED AND OBSERVED THAT THERE WAS NO BEDS OR PLACES FOR THEM TO BE ADMITTED, THAT THEY WOULD BE UNDER THEIR LICENSURE, ABLE TO KEEP THEM AND PROVIDE CARE TO THEM TO BE STABILIZED. IF THEY GOT WORSE THAN THAT, THEN MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD TAKE 'EM. THAT WAS THEIR BUSINESS PLAN. MM-HMM . UH, THEY SAID, BUT IT COULD ALWAYS BE EXPANDED. SO IT COULD BE EXPANDED. IT WAS TWO BEDS, RIGHT. THEY PUT IT UP HERE UP TO 14 BEDS. UM, BUT WHEN YOUR FEEDER SYSTEM IS AN EMERGENCY ROOM, NOT DOCTORS ADMITTING, I HOPE WE NEVER NEED A 14 BED THAT NEED TO BE OBSERVED HOSPITAL. BUT THAT WAS WHAT THEIR PLAN WAS. BUT MR. JAR, I DON'T RECOLLECT ANY DISCUSSION OF OR ANYTHING THAT WAS BROUGHT ON. IT SAYS, OH, WE DON'T WANT THAT IN THE AREA. AT THAT TIME, UM, IT WAS JUST WASN'T ON THE LIST. IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY THEM GOING DOWN THE LIST OF ZONING. PEOPLE THINK OF HOSPITALS AS BEING, YOU KNOW, BIG MONSTER. 40, 50 BEDS, NOT TWO TO 14. OKAY. SO PROBABLY DIDN'T, WASN'T ON THEIR WAVELENGTH. SANDY SEALEY, UM, I HAVE SOME MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ONE. WE ALREADY HAVE A HOSPITAL IN THIS TOWN WITH AN EMERGENCY ROOM WITH ANOTHER EMERGENCY CENTER ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. AND WE CAN'T KEEP PATIENTS IN THAT HOSPITAL. SO IF WE ADD ANOTHER HOSPITAL, THEN, WHICH I'M HAPPEN TO BE A NURSE AND I KNOW THE WHOLE THING OF, OF INPATIENTS AND WHAT THEY CAN HAVE AND WHAT THEY CAN'T HAVE. BUT ARE WE GONNA END UP WITH ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING IN FIVE YEARS? YOU KNOW, DO WE REALLY NEED, IS THERE ENOUGH HOT? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DOCTORS DOWN HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NURSES DOWN HERE. WE OPEN ANOTHER FACILITY. AND THE OTHER THING IN THIS AREA, ON THIS SIDE OF CENTER WAY, THAT'S ALL BALL FIELDS. YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF KIDS PLAYING AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SOFTBALL FIELD. THERE'S A LOT OF THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA BE HINDRANCE OF ALL OF THOSE KIDS. I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S A LOT. THAT'S A LOT. WELL, LET [00:15:01] ME ASK YOU THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE RAISING THE EXACT SAME ISSUES THAT WE RAISED LAST MONTH, AND WHICH, WHY EVEN THOUGH IT MOVED TO THIS STAGE, WHILE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF VOTES FROM THIS COMMISSION AGAINST IT, YOU RAISED THE EXACT SAME THINGS. HOWEVER, THE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP BY COUNCIL MEMBER SETH, WHO IS AN EMERGENCY ROOM NURSE. MM-HMM . WHO WORKS AT ONE OF THE EMERGENCY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE HOSPITAL. SHE WORKS FOR HELPLESS. MM-HMM . GREAT. THAT'S NEEDED. AND THERE'S A DESIRE, THAT'S WHY SHE HAS A JOB THERE. MM-HMM. THAT OFTENTIMES THEY HAVE PATIENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADMITTED ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE NOT ACCEPTED. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY. NOT ACCEPTED BECAUSE OF INSURANCE. SHE DID NOT GO INTO THE Y SHE WENT INTO THE REALITY THAT IT IS OFTENTIMES WHEN SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE OBSERVED MM-HMM . FOR STABILIZATION. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO COME INTO THE ER AT BRAZOSPORT MEMORIAL HOSPITAL, THEY'RE NOT ACCEPTED FROM ALTUS. I DON'T KNOW WHY. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME WHEN WE GOT A HOSPITAL THAT SEEMS TO BE, AS YOU SAY, LOSING PATIENTS, NOT GETTING PATIENTS. WHY THEY WOULDN'T BRING IN A PATIENT FROM JUST ACROSS THE STREET THAT NEEDS TO BE OBSERVED AND MAY NEED MORE SERVICES. MM-HMM . SO I WELCOME YOU AS A NURSE TO TELL ME, DO YOU KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE? INSURANCE IS THE BIGGEST REASON. MEDICARE, MEDICAID, UM, AND YOU'RE GONNA END UP WITH THE SAME, I MEAN, THIS WILL BE BECAUSE ONCE YOU ARRIVE AT A HOSPITAL, THEY HAVE TO TAKE YOU TO TAKE YOU, BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HOSPITAL. IT IS NOT A PRIVATE HOSPITAL. SO IF YOU SHOW UP ON THEIR DOORSTEP, THEY CANNOT REFUSE TREATMENT TO I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO, UM, BUT THIS IS, THIS COMPANY, EVIDENTLY, LISA AND I, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COUNCIL MEMBERS, ALL THEY OWN AROUND THE AREA ARE EMERGENCY ROOMS AND EMERGENCY ROOMS ONLY. AND THEY'VE DONE IT SUCCESSFULLY. THEY ARE HOPING TO EXTEND THE MODEL 'CAUSE OF WHAT THEY SEE AT THEIR EMERGENCY ROOMS. EMERGENCY ROOMS ONLY TO ADD BEDS FOR OBSERVATION. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE RIGHT BEHIND THIS SPOT, YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR'S BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT, WHICH THAT WAS NEVER EVER EVEN OPENED BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THERE WASN'T A NEED. GEE, I WONDER IF THERE'S ANYBODY SITTING IN THIS, ON THIS COMMISSION, ME, WHO RAISED THE ISSUE THAT IT'S NEVER BEEN ANYTHING BUT A CONCRETE STRUCTURE. RIGHT. THAT IS EMPTY. IT'S BEEN EMPTY. IT'S BEEN EMPTY FOR YEARS. YEARS. SO IT'S NOT NEVER BEEN EMPTY. IT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED. YOU'VE BEEN FILLED. YES. IT NEVER GOT FILLED. BEEN. SO I, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST KIND OF REGURGITATING WHAT'S FACTS WERE. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT IS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT PASSED COMMISSION TO GET TO THIS POINT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE COMING UP FOR. I APPRECIATE YOUR STATING IT. IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAKE SURE I DIDN'T HEAR IT. STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS INTO THE MICROPHONE. UH, SANDY SEALEY. EIGHT FORTY THREE MAGNOLIA. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MS. SEALEY. YEAH, BUT I JUST LIKE, THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. IT'S CALLED LIKE, I HATE EMPTY BUILDINGS AND WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH EMPTY BUILDINGS IN THIS TOWN, AND I JUST HATE TO SEE THIS BECOME ANOTHER EMPTY BUILDING. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? HMM. IT'S NOT AN NOW OR NEVER, BECAUSE IF, IF THEY SHOW UP, TALK, THEN MS. SEELEY, WHERE ARE YOU A NURSE? UH, HOUSTON METHODIST. AT HOUSTON METHODIST. SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HOSPITALS AND THE WAY, AND WHAT HOUSTON METHODIST CAN ACCEPT AND WHAT THEY CAN'T? OH YEAH. WE, UM, TRUTHFULLY, WE DON'T EVER TURN DOWN ANYBODY, BUT WE JUST OPENED A NEW HOSPITAL IN CYPRUS. SO, I MEAN, WE HAVE BIG ONE. WELL, I USED TO REPRESENT HOSPITALS, SO I KNOW SOME OF THE ISSUES AND SOME OF THE INSURANCE ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND HOW THEY OPERATE. AND THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN WAS. HOUSTON METHOD IS A PRIVATE, SO WE DON'T, I MEAN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DENY, BUT I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD OF ANYBODY BEING DENYING THE FACT THAT WE ARE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS RIGHT NOW. WELL, THAT WAS THE ISSUE THAT WAS RAISED. AND I HAVE HAD FRIENDS WHEN THEY NEEDED TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM ALTUS OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE NOT BEING ACCEPTED. WELL, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY CAN ALSO NOT ACCEPT THE PATIENT IS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH NURSES. IF YOU HAVE, OKAY, SO IF THIS IS A FOUR TO ONE RATIO HOSPITAL, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE A FOUR TO ONE, BUT IF THEY'RE FOUR TO ONE AND THEY HAVE FOUR NURSES, THAT MEANS THEY CAN ONLY TAKE 16 PATIENTS. MM-HMM . SO THEREFORE IF THEY THAT 17TH, ONE COMES IN, IT'S LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A BED FOR YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE THE NURSES. AND THAT'S, THAT'S GOVERNED BY THE HEALTH BOARD. YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. I DON'T, I ONLY IT BEEN A LOT LOOSE, ENFORCE, HAVE TO DO WITH, UM, NURSE PATIENT RATIO. OKAY. WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR [00:20:01] EXPERTISE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DON'T, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT A LOT. COTTON. NO, NO, MATT, MA'AM, NOTHING THAT HASN'T ALREADY BEEN SAID TO ME. THE MOST IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT ABOUT THE EMPTY BUILDING AND ALL, BUT I, I STRUGGLE WITH SOMETHING, A REASON WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT A HOSPITAL THERE. SO AGREED. NOT, NOT NECESSARILY. I DEFER TO THE BUSINESS IF THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE A GO OF IT, THAT'S THEIR DECISION. WELL, AND I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT. IF IT WORKS THE WAY THEY SAY THEY WANT IT TO WORK, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY. MY CONCERN IS WHATEVER COMPANY BUILT THE BUILDING THAT'S NEVER BEEN OCCUPIED, HAD A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL AND SOMEBODY DEFERRED TO THAT BUSINESS. SO IT KIND OF HAS ME SO SKITTISH ABOUT SOMEBODY BUILDING A SIMILAR BUSINESS O IN A TIME WHERE MAYBE FUNDING FOR HEALTHCARE IS BEING CUT SO DRASTICALLY. MM-HMM . I DON'T LIKE THE LOCATION. FOR SOME REASON THESE HOSPITALS ARE POPPING UP EVERYWHERE. I CAN LOOK AT, LOOK AT PEARLAND THERE, WHERE YOU LOOK, THERE'S ANOTHER HOSPITAL, WELL, MOST OF THEM ARE PRIVATE HOSPITALS. THEY'RE METHODIST OR MEMORIAL HERMANN. UM, I THINK ST. LUKE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR HEALTHCARE. LET'S DON'T GET THAT. IT'S JUST THE DELIVERY OF IT. THERE'S, THERE'S A HUGE NEED FOR HEALTHCARE. IT'S THE DELIVERY PATIENTS ARE COMING TO THE HOSPITAL. SICKER, THEY'RE STAYING LONGER. BUT PEARLAND HAS HCA, WHICH IS A HOSPITAL. THEY HAVE, UM, UH, HERMAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A COUNT IS KIND OF BORDERS ON A COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE, RIGHT. IT'S CONTRACTS. IT HAS. RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT THOSE TWO HOSPITALS AND WE ACTUALLY LOOKED AT HOSPITALS AND HOUSTON METHOD IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT LAND ON 2 88 THERE I THOUGHT IS THERE'S A METHODIST HOSPITAL IN PARA LAND? NO. MM-HMM. THERE IS A COMPREHENSIVE CENTER. OKAY, I GOTCHA. AND THERE'S A COMPREHENSIVE CENTER. NOW YOU GO DOWN HIGHWAY SIX AND YOU'VE GOT A COMPREHENSIVE CENTER. RIGHT. I DO KNOW THAT YOU'VE GOT ECC AND THEN THERE'S A HOSPITAL AT SUGARLAND. SO, BUT A METHODIST RIGHT NOW IS ACTUALLY REALLY LOOKING AT DOWN 2 88. UM, ACTUALLY HAVE THE IDEAL SPOT THAT I THINK WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA WITH THE WAY THEY'RE BUILDING UP SUBDIVISIONS AROUND THERE. BUT, UM, IN PEARLAND, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE. AND YOU DO HAVE A NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS WHAT OPENED HERE OR WHAT BOUGHT HERE, BUT NEVER OPENED. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT'S INSIDE OF WHEN YOU GO INTO PEARLAND RIGHT THERE IN THAT TOWN CENTER AREA, IS THERE, WELL, I MEAN, I AGREE, MR. SANDERS, THERE'S A REASON TO HAVE HOSPITALS TO PROVIDE CARE. I HAVE HAD FAMILY MEMBERS THAT NEEDED TO BE OBSERVED, JUST STABILIZE, NOT FOR LONG-TERM HOSPITALIZATION, BUT TO GET BLOOD WORK PROBATION PATIENTS. YOU HAVE 24 HOURS. YOU HAVE AND THAT'S WHAT HOURS AND 59 MINUTES. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING TOWARDS TRYING TO CREATE AT THE BEGINNING. TWO BEDS WITH NURSING STAFF TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. SEE, AND IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM, THE RATIO IS 10 TO ONE. WELL, I KIND OF APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WITH ALL THE FREESTANDING EMERGENCY ROOMS THERE NOW ARE, WHICH DIDN'T EXIST 20 YEARS AGO, THAT THERE IS ONE THAT IS CONTEMPLATING HAVING AT LEAST SOME ROOMS FOR OBSERVATION, BECAUSE THAT PROBABLY IS A NEED. IT'S JUST MY WORRY IS I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE. I HAD SOMEBODY STAND UP HERE AND TELL US, NOT UNDER OATH, BUT TELL US ABOUT HOW SUCCESSFUL THIS COMPANY IS ALL OVER THE AREA. AND LIKE THE GROUP THAT DID RESEARCH, , , I MEAN, ANYBODY CAN CLAIM TO BE SUCCESSFUL. A HUNDRED PERCENT. DON'T WORRY. WE'RE WORKING ON DOING BETTER BACKGROUND ON THESE PEOPLE. . ANYWAY, I DO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE A COMMENT OR TWO. MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS LOCATION. WE'RE GONNA HIT 30,000 PEOPLE, SO I KNOW WE NEED OUR TAX MONEY BEFORE WE LOSE IT ALL. I GET IT. BUT THE LOCATION FOR IT, I, I, I THOUGHT WE HAD A MEDICAL PLAZA OR A MEDICAL CENTER OR MEDICAL AREA IF THE SUBPAR PLACE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW. I I, I JUST, I DON'T SEE WHY THIS IS THE LOCATION TO PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY CENTER. I, I JUST THAT I HAVE THE HARDEST TIME TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND. I GET IT. WE NEED MORE TAX REVENUE. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I, I JUST HAVE A HARD, HARD TIME WITH THIS, THE LOCATION OF IT. NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, BORDERING ON TOP OF PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS, BUT JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUPPOSED DEVELOPED CITY CENTER THAT WE'VE BEEN PUSHED INTO WITH OUR WONDERFUL FRIENDS AT HEB [00:25:01] AND ALL THAT COOL STUFF. I, I JUST DON'T SEE THIS AS A BENEFICIAL LOCATION FOR IT ALONG. LIKE SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE BASEBALL FIELDS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT EASEMENT AREA AND EVERYTHING ELSE ALONG THOSE LINES. IF WE GO FROM HAVING A TWO BED HOSPITAL TO THEM ADDING THEIR THIRD AND FOURTH AND FIFTH FLOOR OR WHATEVER IT WAS, HE TALKED ABOUT THAT DAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SKYSCRAPERS NEXT TO OUR, OR SKYSCRAPERS, BUT WE HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS NEXT TO OUR RESIDENCE. WE HAVE TALLER BUILDINGS NEXT TO OUR PARKS. UH, THERE HAS TO BE A BETTER LOCATION. I'M ALL FOR THE BUSINESS. BUT IF THEY WOULD'VE PICKED A BETTER LOCATION, THEY WOULD'VE GOT A YES FROM ME OFF, OFF THE BAT. ANY UPDATES, EDDIE, FROM THEIR ETA? NO, IT SHOULD BE. OR JUST A FEW MINUTES. MODESTO. ANYTHING ELSE YOU HAVE TO OFFER? NO, SIR. WHAT'S THE NAME OF THIS PLACE? YOU CAN TAKE THAT, YOU CAN HAVE A COPY OF THAT. THEY'RE, THE LOCATION IS REALLY ONE OF THE, IT IS VERY BIG TO THINK ABOUT BECAUSE OF THAT HAS BEEN LIKE JACKSON'S SPORTS ARENA. I MEAN, WE HAD THE GIRL SOFTBALL. WE'VE GOT ALL THE LITTLE, LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELDS THAT ARE RIGHT THROUGH THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT LJI, WHICH IS ALL THOSE KIDS WALKING. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LITTLE GIRL KILLED RIGHT DOWN THAT STREET. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S, THAT LOCATION IS, YEAH, WE'VE OPENED THE, UH, PUBLIC MEETING AND BEEN KILLING TIME. SO IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO COME GIVE YOUR SIDE, THAT'S GREAT. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. SORRY I'M LATE. UH, MY NAME IS ALAN SWIFT. I'M WITH HIGH CAMP SWIFT ARCHITECTS, UH, ARCHITECT OF RECORD FOR THE PROJECT. UM, THE PROJECT IS GONNA BE LOCATED JUST WITH BEHIND, UH, HEV. IT IS A MICRO HOSPITAL, UM, UH, CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR ABOUT 18, UH, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, SINGLE STORY BUILDING. UM, THE, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS, UH, THE SPORTS AREAS, THE, THE SPORTS FIELDS THAT ARE BEHIND US. UM, THE WAY THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY BEING DESIGNED ON THE SIDE IS THAT THE MAIN TRAFFIC FLOW WOULD ACTUALLY BE ON THE STREET BETWEEN US AND HEB. SO THERE'S THE SITE PLAN THERE. UH, THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING FROM THE LEFT SIDE, UH, THE, UH, WEST SIDE OF OUR SITE. UM, AMBULANCE TRAFFIC WOULD, WOULD ENTER INTO THE SITE FROM THE UPPER LEFT HAND SIDE. UH, AND THE AMBULANCE, UH, DROP OFF IS BEHIND THE BUILDING, UH, ON THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF THE BUILDING. UH, OH. OH, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YEAH. OKAY, GREAT. SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC, AS WE SEE IS, IS PROBABLY GONNA, IS GONNA COME DOWN THIS STREET. SO OUR MAIN ENTRANCES ARE ACTUALLY HERE AND HERE. PUBLIC ENTRY WOULD BE HERE AND DROP OFF, UH, FOR, UH, GUESTS OR FOR PATIENTS, UH, THAT MIGHT BE STAYING, UH, AT THE HOSPITAL. AND THEN PARKING HERE. UH, AMBULANCE TRAFFIC WOULD COME IN THROUGH HERE. THIS IS THE AMBULANCE DROP OFF. AND THEN AMBULANCES WOULD BE ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND THEN LEAVE THE SITE OR DRIVE AROUND AND LEAVE THE SITE. UM, SO THIS IS THE MAIN ENTRY FOR THE HOSPITAL. UH, THIS PARKING AND THIS PARKING IS REALLY JUST, UM, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING AND AUXILIARY PARKING. UH, WE DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS BEING A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE ON OUR, ON THE SITE TO BE USED, BUT THE MAJORITY TRAFFIC WOULD BE IN THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE. UM, WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WOULD BE DELIVERY, UH, TRUCKS THAT MIGHT COME IN THROUGH THIS AREA AND, AND DELIVERING TO THE BACK OF A HOSPITAL HERE. UM, AND CERTAINLY IF, UH, UH, FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE, WE WANNA BE A PARTNER IN THE COMMUNITY. WE, WE DON'T WANNA BE, UH, ADVERSARIAL OR ANYTHING. SO IF, UH, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OR A CONCERN ABOUT THESE, UH, THIS PARK AND THIS WALKWAY, UH, CERTAINLY WE ARE OPEN AND, AND, UH, TO THE IDEA OF, OF CREATING SOME KIND OF BUFFER ZONE OR SOMETHING THAT'S HERE. MAYBE IT'S, UH, SOME KIND OF NICE LOW FENCING. MAYBE IT'S FOLIAGE, UM, MAYBE IT'S A BERM OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. SO CERTAINLY AT THIS POINT, DESIGN WE'RE OPEN TO, TO, UM, WHATEVER WE NEED TO, TO, TO ASSIST WITH THE COMMUNITY. UM, THIS, UH, FACILITY IS CURRENTLY DESIGNED MOSTLY AS AN EMERGENCY, UH, DEPARTMENT. SO THIS IS THE EMERGENCY ROOM THAT TAKES A HALF THE BUILDING. IT IS A MICRO HOSPITAL, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE 24 HOURS STAY. AND A, UH, NURSE UNIT THAT'S BACK HERE, IMAGING IS IN THE CENTER OF THE, UH, FACILITY. WE WILL HAVE AN MRI, CT SCAN, PLAINVIEW IMAGING, ULTRASOUND, UH, ALL THE CAPABILITIES ARE REQUIRED FOR A HOSPITAL AND THEN ADMINISTRATION AND BACK OF HOUSE, UH, SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, HOSPITAL. [00:30:01] UM, SO THAT'S A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THE OVERALL SITE PLAN AND, AND LAYOUT OF THE PLAN. UH, I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME ELEVATIONS AS WELL. UH, IT IS A SINGLE STORY. UH, BUILDING OUR ROOF STRUCTURE IS GONNA BE ROUGHLY RIGHT ABOUT HERE. UH, IN THE FUTURE THEY MAY WANT TO EXPAND TO A SECOND FLOOR. UM, AND SO WE ARE DESIGNING THE BUILDING STRUCTURALLY SO THAT IT CAN GO TO A SECOND FLOOR. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S PLANNED CURRENTLY FOR CONSTRUCTION. IT'S JUST A SINGLE STORY BUILDING. ANY QUESTIONS? YOU SAID AMBULANCE SERVICE? UH, YES SIR. IS THAT JUST PATIENT TRANSFER BETWEEN HOSPITALS OR IS THAT RESIDENTIAL AMBULANCE SERVICE? IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS A, UM, PRIVATE HOSPITAL. UH, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME TO THIS HOSPITAL WILL BE, UH, PRIVATE CITIZENS IN THEIR OWN VEHICLES EITHER TRANSPORTING THEMSELVES OR FRIENDS AND, UH, FAMILY BRINGING 'EM TO THE FACILITY. SO, UH, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF, UH, UH, AMBULANCE TRAFFIC TO THIS FACILITY BECAUSE IT IS A PRIVATELY OWNED, UH, HOSPITAL. UM, THEY'RE NOT, UH, REQUIRED TO TAKE MEDICARE MEDICAID FOR THE FACILITY. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION OR PUBLIC AMBULANCES, UM, WILL PROBABLY END UP GOING TO THE ST. LUKE'S FACILITY ACROSS THE FREEWAY INSTEAD. UM, THIS, THIS, OR IS SET UP MORE FOR THE COMMUNITY, UH, FOR, LIKE I SAID, WALK-IN TRAFFIC FROM THE COMMUNITY, UH, NOT NECESSARILY AS A TRAUMA CENTER WHERE THEY MIGHT TAKE, UH, SOMEBODY THAT'S BEEN IN A MAJOR ACCIDENT ON THE FREEWAY AND BOTH LIMBS ARE SEVERED AND THEY NEED TR UH, TRAUMA, A TRAUMA CENTER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. DID YOU SAY OR, UH, THERE IS NO ORS CURRENTLY YOU SAID, OR YOU SAID DID I SAY, OR I'M SORRY. ER, . OKAY. OH, OKAY. THAT'S, THAT'S IF I SAID, OR I, I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE GOOD. THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO ORS SCHEDULED FOR THIS FACILITY, WHICH AGAIN GETS BACK TO THE TYPE OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD BE COMING TO THIS. THIS IS NOT A TRAUMA CENTER. UH, SO PEOPLE THAT ARE INVOLVED IN SOME MAJOR ACCIDENT OR A GUN SHOOTING THAT WOULD REQUIRE SURGICAL SERVICES WOULD NOT BE DIRECTED TO THIS FACILITY. WELL, UNDER THAT BUSINESS MODEL, WHAT GENERAL PART, WHO'S COMING IN THAT'S BEING MONITORED? WHAT TYPE OF PATIENT? BECAUSE I'M GUESSING, OH, LET'S SAY IT'S A HEART ATTACK. THEY ACCEPT, THEY ANTICIPATE IT MIGHT BE A HEART ATTACK SHOWING UP. OKAY. I GET THAT. A LOT OF THOSE ARE GONNA BE ON MEDICARE. THEY COULD BE, THEY, THEY DO, UH, THREE MONTHS. I WILL, YES. 41, I'LL BE THERE BEFORE I KNOW IT AS WELL. UM, SO THEY CAN'T ACCEPT ALL PATIENTS. UH, IT'D BE OUT OF NETWORK IF SOMEBODY CAME IN WITH, UH, MEDICARE AND NOW THAT THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD STABILIZE THE PATIENT AND AN AMBULANCE WOULD COME TO THE SITE TO TRANSPORT THAT PATIENT FROM THIS FACILITY TO ANOTHER FACILITY THAT COULD TAKE THAT PATIENT. UM, BUT, UH, BUT THAT IS THAT IT'S A FEW AND FAR BETWEEN TYPE OF INCIDENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN. IT'S NOT A REGULAR, UH, UH, TYPE OF INCIDENT THAT WOULD OCCUR. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. ANYTHING? WELL, I JUST WENT WHERE ARE THE OWNERS LOCATED? UM, THE, UH, THE MAIN OWNER, THE CEO IS JEANNIE SHIP. SHE LIVES IN MONT BELLEVUE. UM, AND, UH, HER DAUGHTER, UH, JILL SHIP LIVES IN, UH, THE WOODLANDS. OKAY. UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER OWNERS LIVE UP IN LONGVIEW AND IN TYLER. SO THEY'VE GOT FACILITIES THAT RANGE TEXT AND BASE LABOR. THEY ARE, THEY'RE VERY MUCH TEXT AND BASE. YES. AND SO THEY ARE, THEY'VE GOT FACILITIES SPREAD OUT FROM NORTH TEXAS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO GALVESTON. THEY CURRENTLY HAVE, UH, HOSPITALITY ER, THAT'S ON THE SEA WALL DOWN IN GALVESTON. OH. AND, UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO, CAN'T GET INTO THE SPECIFICS. WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND AND, AND OTHER AREAS, UH, THAT YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR WITH WHEN YOU SEE IT , MS. SEALEY, WHAT YOU MISS? MS. SEELEY'S, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM WELL, WHEN HE SAID AMBULANCE TAKE TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL, WELL, ANITA YOU TO BE IN THE MICROPHONE. WE'RE ON, SHE'S A NURSE. OH, GREAT. , WHENEVER HE SAID ANOTHER, AN AMBULANCE WOULD TAKE HIM TO THE ANOTHER. I'M LIKE, AND THAT'S ANOTHER COST FOR THE PATIENT FOR GOING TO A HOSPITAL THAT IS A MILE AND A HALF DOWN THE STREET AND ONLY UP COSTING THEM $5,000. I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I BILL AMBULANCE IS NOT CHEAP. NO, THEY'RE NOT. AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TRAUMA CENTERS, IF YOU'RE IN A CAR WRECK WHERE THEY THINK YOU HAD A HEAD INJURY, THEY'RE GONNA CALL LIFE FLIGHT. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . AND THAT'S GONNA BE A $30,000 HIT. OR DOESN'T, WHICH IS OFTEN A TAXI RIDE THAT YOU GET CT SCAN AND RELEASED. MM-HMM . YEAH. AND TO THAT POINT, WE DO NOT HAVE A HELIPAD ON THIS SITE, SO WE WOULD NOT BE TAKING THAT TYPE OF TIME. WHY? WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EXPENSE OF [00:35:01] HAVING TO BE RELOCATED SOMEWHERE. YEAH. ANYTHING, AND I KNOW YOU'RE THE ARCHITECT, YOU'RE NOT THE OWNER, YOU'RE NOT THE BUSINESS THING AND YOU'RE, YOU'VE DONE A GOOD JOB LAST MONTH THIS TALKING ABOUT THEIR CASE. MM-HMM . A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT MAY BE SOMEBODY HAS, ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT ARE IN YOUR YES. PORTFOLIO. YES. I'M NOT A NURSE , SO I I'M CERTAINLY THAT YOU CAN TALK TO A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY, I'M, I'M SORRY. MATT, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SHARE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK SO DO WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE NO MOTION. I'M LOOKING AT JEFF BECAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY, JEFF, YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST MONTH. I WILL NOT BE MAKING A MOTION. . I WAS GONNA BE SECOND DOING THAT. NOW YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOTION. YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE SOME SUPPORT. I JUST WON'T BE THAT PERSON. NO, NO. FOR LACK OF A MOTION. THE, UH, ITEM IS WHATEVER YOU DO WITH IT. NO MOTION. TABLE. TABLE. OKAY. I'LL TRY TO EXPLAIN, UM, WITHOUT A MOTION. THERE'S NO OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION. RIGHT. UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL SCHEDULED FOR THE, UM, UH, THE CITY COUNCIL, CERTAINLY ON MONDAY. AND THEY'LL OF COURSE, WE'LL TRY TO GET THE MINUTES OF YOUR CONVERSATION, UH, TO THEM. AND SO THEY CAN TAKE THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT THEY'LL ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE'S NO MOTION MADE. MM-HMM . BUT THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING ON MONDAY. SO FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC. SO THE COUNCIL THEN CAN MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. CERTAINLY. THANK YOU VANESSA. THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU WERE HERE. THANK YOU ALL. ANNA, WHAT'S [5. SET NEXT MEETING DATE] THE NEXT MEETING ON TUESDAY? MAY THE SIXTH. YOU MIGHT CHECK THEIR CALENDARS. MAKE SURE MAY 6TH IS OPEN. UH, I'LL BE IN ARKANSAS UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES. I HAVE A WAITING TO DO THAT DAY. DO WE KNOW IF HARRY'S JUST ON A TRIP OR SOMETHING OR? YEAH, HE ALREADY IS HE NOW? LAST MONTH HE'S ON A TRIP. OKAY. I MAY BE HERE. I WILL FIND OUT. I MAY BE HAVING SURGERY. OKAY. WE'RE TRYING TO GET STUFF SCHEDULED SO I, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD. ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR NOT BEING HERE. YEAH. YEAH. I'M, I, UNLESS THEY DECIDE TO NOT GET MARRIED, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE. OKAY. YOU LOOK GOOD FOR NEXT ONE. I'M GREAT FOR IT. YEAH. ALRIGHT. MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU'ALL. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.