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OKAY.[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
THE MAY, UH, 19, 20 25 REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT, UH, 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.AND WE'LL BEGIN THE EVENING WITH THE, UH, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE LED BY CHARLOTTE BROADUS.
SPEAK WELL TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION AMERICA, GOD, INDIVISIBLE, JUSTICE FOR ALL.
I HONOR TEXAS STATE UNDER GOD.
WE'LL HAVE AN INVOCATION LED BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.
DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET HERE THIS EVENING.
AND AS OUR MEETING CONTINUES AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE STRENGTH, COURAGE, AND WISDOM TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS THAT WE FEEL ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS AND ABOUT OUR CITY.
PLEASE BE WITH OUR EMT FOLKS, OUR POLICE AND FIRE, OUR MILITARY MEN AND WOMEN ABROAD AND STATESIDE.
AND LORD, THANK YOU FOR GIVING US MATT AND HIS FAMILY FOR EIGHT YEARS.
BE WITH HIM AS HE LEAVES AND GOES ON WITH HIS LIFE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US HAVE HIS, HIS ABILITY ON COUNCIL.
[PRESENTATION]
ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK.WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF FOLKS HERE FROM PUBLIC WORKS.
I'LL READ THIS AND THEN YOU'LL CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
THIS ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
WE HERE ABOUT MAY 18TH THROUGH 24TH, 2025 NATIONAL PUBLIC.
I CALL UPON ALL CITIZENS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO ACQUAINT THEMSELVES WITH ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN PROVIDING OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND TO RECOGNIZE A CONTRIBUTION WHICH PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS MAKE EVERY DAY, UH, TO OUR HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, AND QUALITY LIVES.
WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES PROVIDED, PROVIDED IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR CITIZENS' EVERYDAY LIVES.
WHEREAS THE SUPPORT AND UNDERSTANDING AND INFORM INFORMED CITIZENRY IS VITAL TO THE EFFICIENCY OPERATION OF PUBLIC WORK SYSTEMS AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS WATER, SEWER, STREETS AND HIGHWAY AND PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND SOLID WASTE COLLECTIONS.
WHEREAS THE HOUSE AND SAFETY ARE AND COMFORT OF THIS COMMUNITY GREATLY DEPENDS ON THESE FACILITIES AND SERVICES.
WHEREAS THE EFFICIENCY OF THE QUALIFIED AND DEDICATED PERSONNEL THROUGH STAFF PUBLIC WORK DEPARTMENTS IS MATERIALLY INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THEY DO.
THEREFORE, WE AS THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, IS HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 18TH, 2024, 20 MAY 18TH THROUGH THE 24TH OF 2025 AS NATIONAL PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON IN TESTIMONY WHERE I WITNESSED MY HAND AND SEAL THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON THIS 19TH DAY OF MAY, 2025.
THANK YOU FOR OUR WORK, WORK ALL, ALL HARD WORK, SWEAT AND TEARS AND EVERYTHING.
GO AHEAD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
I'M JOHN ORM, THE UH, ING DISTRIBUTION FOREMAN.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN WITH US? UH, TOTAL GOING ON 10 YEARS.
UH, I HAD AN EIGHT YEAR RUN AND THEN I LEFT
I'M, UH,
WHAT DO WE GOT HERE? YOU AND HR RICK SMITH.
I'M SORRY, I'M READING SIDEWAYS.
RICK SMITH, UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT.
FIVE YEARS THAT SEE WHAT FOR? FEELS LIKE A LIFETIME.
HE DIDN'T HAVE, HE DIDN'T HAVE A BEARD WHEN WE STARTED
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NO.ARE THEY A PICTURE? WE ALREADY GOT ONE.
NEXT THING IS WE WANNA DO, SEE WHERE YOU WANT TO.
HEY, COUNSEL Y UP AND STAND AROUND.
YOU WANNA COME DOWN FOR THE DIOCESE TO STAND AROUND? SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE OLD MAN LEAVING
I THINK THERE'S ONLY A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOTTEN THESE.
I THINK BUSTER WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT GOT THE, WHEN HE LEFT.
GIVE A BIG OLD BLACK AND STUFF LIKE THIS.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS REALLY NICE.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'VE DONE.
I APPRECIATE HAVING YOU, UH, TO MY SIDE.
IF IT WAS THAT SIDE OR THAT SIDE, DEPENDING ON WHERE I SET YOU.
BUT, UH, AGAIN, IT WAS, I I THINK WE WERE ALL VERY COMFORTABLE HAVING YOU ON COUNCIL BECAUSE, UH, YOU WOULD SIT BACK AND YOU THINK THROUGH COMMENTS AND MAKE COMMENTS AND, UH, YOU HAVE US THROUGH, LIKE I SAID, YOU HELPED US THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES ON SOME TOUGH ISSUES.
YOU BROUGHT, UH, JUST A DIFFERENT VOICE, THE REASON INTO THE CONVERSATION JUST TO GET A LITTLE DIFFERENT VIEW AND STUFF.
AND THAT'S BEEN, I KNOW FOR ME IT'S BEEN VERY HELPFUL, UH, TO, TO HAVE YOU, UH, SPEAK UP WHEN YOU DO.
UM, YEAH, I REALLY ENJOYED MY TIME HERE AND, UM, HELPING EVERYBODY, WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AND LEARNING, UM, EVERYTHING I'VE LEARNED ABOUT WHAT IT TAKES TO KEEP A CITY RUNNING AND THINGS THAT YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T REALLY THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU LIVE DAY TO DAY IF YOU'RE NOT CLOSE TO IT.
WE HAVE A, A WONDERFUL STAFF AND ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND, UM, I'M REALLY THANKFUL, THANKFUL TO THE, UH, THE CITIZENS WHO VOTED THE END THOSE YEARS, UH, AGO.
THANKFUL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T RUN AGAINST ME.
THAT'S UH, THAT'S NOT AN EASY TASK.
WE APPRECIATE Y'ALL, UH, AS THANK YOU MARK.
YOU GOOD? YOU SEE US? YOU THE PICTURE, RIGHT? JUST GET IT THERE.
[ISSUE CERTIFICATE OF ELECTION AND ADMINISTER OATH OF OFFICE TO THE RE-ELECTED AND NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL]
SWEAR.OKAY, SO FIRST IS GONNA BE J YOU WANNA GO AHEAD? COME ON.
DON'T DON'T CALL US COMPLAINING ABOUT CONVENIENCE STORE LIGHTS.
OH, YOU HAVING A DIFFERENT ORDER TONIGHT? YEAH, NO, WE JUST GO AHEAD AND GO THIS ROUTE.
ALRIGHT, SO WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT? DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS FIRST OR? SURE.
MR. JOHN BAKER, THIS IS, I'M GONNA PROVIDE YOU WITH, I'M NOT GONNA READ THIS, BUT THIS IS YOUR CERTIFICATE INTO OFFICE AND THIS CAN ADD TO ALL YOUR OTHER CERTIFICATES TO OFFICE.
AND THIS, UH, MAKES IT, UH, CER THIS IS A CERTIFICATE THAT, UH, THE GENERAL ELECTION HELD ON MAY 3RD, 2025.
WITH JULIE ELECTED COUNCIL POSITION.
TAKE YOUR, WE'LL TAKE A PICTURE WITH ALL IS THAT OKAY? GO AHEAD.
I TAKE, CAN WE, CAN WE GET A PICTURE WITH HIS SOCKS? CAN WE SEE HIS SOCKS? AM I GREEN
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SOCKS? GREEN SOCKS.SOLEMN SWEAR THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTY OF THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL.
I'LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POSITION.
FIVE OF THE CITY, OF LAKE, OF THE CITY OF LAKE AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND I'M THE STATE OF TEXAS AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PRESERVE, PRESERVE AND PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS AND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.
THEY GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO SEE HOW IT'S DONE.
WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO ABOUT, OH, THERE PUT HER PHRASE THAT DIFFERENT WITH A WOMAN.
THIS IS THE CERTIFICATE THAT THE, AT THE GENERAL ELECTION HELD ON MAY 3RD, 2025 ON STEP WAS DULY ELECTED TO POSITION THREE CITY JUSTICE.
IT DIDN'T GET A GOOD PICTURE THOUGH.
NOW YOU GOTTA DO YOUR, THE YO.
MY FAMILY ABANDONED ME FOR PAPA.
THEY'RE ALL IN THE HAVING FUN.
S DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR? DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THAT I'LL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE OF THE OFFICE OF CITY, OF THE OFFICE OF CITY COUNCIL OF THREE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, ORDER TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PRESERVE, PROTECT, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATE AND OF THE STATE AND OF THIS STATE.
YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD THIS TWICE, BUT CITY LAKE JACKSON.
THIS IS THE CERTIFY THAT THE GENERAL ELECTION HELD ON MAY 3RD, 2025.
LEONARD SCHULER WAS JULIE ELECTED POSITION ONE SENIOR JACKSON.
AND YOU WANT A CHEAT SHEET THAT YOU
I ER, I ER YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR.
DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE.
I'LL FAITHFULLY THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE.
A CITY COUNCIL POSITION, ONE OF CITY COUNCIL POSITION, ONE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS AND OF THE STATE OF TEXAS.
AND WILL TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY AND WILL THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT, PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND LAWS OF, AND THIS STATE AT THIS GOD WANT US UP HERE ON THE, YEAH.
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OKAY.[VISITOR COMMENTS]
RIGHT.NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE VISITORS' COMMENTS.
THIS, UH, THIS ITEM IS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ISSUES THAT ARE NOT ON THE AGENDA.
THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENTED ISSUES, NOR MAY ANY ACTION BE TAKEN.
ANY ITEM PRESENTED COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON AN AGENDA OF A FUTURE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING.
ALRIGHT, WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT HAS SIGNED UP TO SPEAK VISITOR'S COMMENTS.
AND, UH, IT'S MR. CRAIG PRO DEL, IF YOU WANNA COME SPEAK.
I'M A RESIDENT OF LAKE JACKSON FOR THE LAST 17 YEARS WITH BRAZORIA COUNTY FOR ALL MY LIFE, ALL 41 YEARS.
AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT MY INTENT CASE TO SUE THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON FOR, UH, MENTAL ANGUISH SUFFERED FROM MY DEPRESSION, ANXIETY, THE TIME THAT I ON MY UN AWFUL ARREST THAT I HAD TO SPIN OFF MY MEDICATION.
ONE OF 'EM, WHICH IF YOU STOP WITHOUT, UH, DOCTORS THINGS I COULD DIE FROM.
HEART ATTACK, SEIZURE, STROKE.
UH, AFTER I WAS TAKEN TO THE JAIL, MY CIVIL RIGHTS WERE VIOLATED.
AT NO POINT IN TIME OF ARREST, BOOKING, CHARGING BONDS, NO RIGHTS WERE EVER READ TO ME.
OFFICER SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ RIGHTS ANYMORE.
BUT IF THEY WOULD LEARN THE LAW AND LOOK UP ANYTIME YOU'RE NOT FREE TO LEAVE, THEY MUST READ YOU YOUR RIGHTS.
AT NO POINT IN TIME WAS I EVER FREE TO LEAVE.
UH, ALSO DEFAMING MY CHARACTER, AS IN, IN THE 41 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
THIS IS MY FIRST EVER ALLEGED OFFENSE.
AND, UH, COMING FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD OF HOLIDAY LAKES OUTSIDE OF ENGLETON, THAT IS A BIG ACHIEVEMENT TO MAKE AND I'M PROUD OF IT.
AND TO BE BROUGHT DOWN BY THIS.
UH, ALSO NEGLIGENCE OF THE OFFICERS IN CHARGE.
OFFICER WARREN, BADGE SIX 50 AND SERGEANT CERVANTES, BADGE NUMBER 4, 5 8.
THEY LEFT MY SON'S IN THE, UH, NEGLIGENCE IN CHARGE IN THE CARE OF MY EX-WIFE WHO IS HOMELESS, WHO'S LIVING WITH ME BECAUSE SHE WENT HOMELESS IN OCTOBER FOR WHATEVER REASON, SHE COULDN'T WORK OR WHATEVER ON $1,200 A MONTH CHILD SUPPORT.
UM, SO INSTEAD OF BEING AN EVIL PERSON, WHICH I'M NOT, I TOOK IN HER AND MY KIDS INSTEAD OF THROWING HER OUT ON THE STREET.
EVERYTHING WAS GOING FINE UNTIL WE GOT MONEY AT INCOME TAX TIME.
AND SHE WENT BACK TO HER NORMAL SELF ABUSING DIET PILLS.
UM, ALSO HAVE VIDEO OF, OF THE OFFICERS WHERE I'M IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND I TOLD 'EM THAT I FEARED FOR MY LIFE AND THE SAFETY OF MY CHILDREN.
'CAUSE THIS INCIDENT STARTED, UH, WEEKS AGO.
SHE GOT ARRESTED FOR PHYSICALLY ASSAULTING ME IN MY, MY APARTMENT.
AND THEN, UH, 20 MINUTES LATER, AFTER I HAD, UH, GIVEN HER EVICTION NOTICE OR 15 DAY EVICTION NOTICE TO LEAVE MY APARTMENT.
AND THEN AFTER TWO WEEKS WENT BY, I LOOKED INTO THE LAWS OF EVICTION THAT MY EVICTION NOTICE DID NOT START UNTIL SHE GOT BACK OUTTA JAIL.
SO I UNST STUPIDLY BAILED HER OUT OF JAIL BECAUSE I WANTED MY EVICTION NOTICE TO START.
AND THEN OVER THAT SAME WEEKEND WHEN THIS INCIDENT HAPPENED ON SUNDAY NIGHT AT 5 4 25 10:00 PM WOULD Y'ALL LIKE A COPY OF THIS TORT ACT FORM? WOULD EVERYBODY LIKE TO SEE IT? I'VE ONLY GIVEN ONE TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE SAID THAT HE DELIVERED TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE.
I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE RECEIVED A COPY OF THIS.
AND IF I HAVE EXTRA COPIES, IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THIS TO ACT FORM.
WELL, YOU CAN LEAVE IT WITH THE CITY SECRETARY.
OKAY, HERE'S A BUNCH OF COPIES.
WHAT'S HIS NAME? BUT, UH, THE INCIDENT AT, ON UH, 5 4 25 SUNDAY.
IT WAS AROUND, UH, 10:00 PM UH, IT WAS AT MY HOME ADDRESS AT FOUR 20 GARLAND DRIVE, APARTMENT 5 0 2 IN LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
UH, THE COPS WERE CALLED OUT BY ME.
MY EX-WIFE BROKE MY TV IN THE BEDROOM WHERE I'VE BEEN STAYING AWAY SINCE SHE GOT OUTTA JAIL FRIDAY FOR FAMILY ASSAULT VIOLENCE CAUSES AN INJURY TO ME IN LESS THAN THAN OR HER 24 HOURS OUT OF JAIL.
THE POLICE, LIKE JACKSON POLICE POLICE CAME BY AND HAVE WROTE HER TWO TICKETS FOR UNWANING TOUCHING ASSAULT TICKETS AGAINST ME.
AND THEN AFTER SHE BROKE MY TV AND I CALLED ON HER, THEY CAME AND DID NOTHING AND SAID IT WAS COMPUTER, UH, COMMUNITY PROPERTY.
OUR LAPTOP BREAKS, THEN IT'S A FELONY CRIMINAL ARREST CHARGE FOR ME OFF OF HER WORD OF MOUTH THAT A LAPTOP THAT WAS 12 YEARS OLD IS WORTH $2,500 WHEN IT TAKES TWO SECONDS WITH TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY TO TYPE IT A SERIAL NUMBER IN GOOGLE AND IT WOULD POP UP AND IT WOULD TELL YOU I USED LAPTOP.
THAT SAME BRAND YOU CAN GET FOR $300,
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A BRAND NEW ONE, 12 POINT 99.UM, SO WHERE WAS THAT AFTER THAT? OH, AND SO AFTER THAT, YEAH, I GOT ARRESTED FOR CRIMINAL MISCHIEF 25 FELONY AFTER THEY ALREADY SAID THE TV WAS PROPERTY SO HOUSED THE LAPTOP, NOT COMPUTER, COMMUNITY PROPERTY.
I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THAT ONE OUT.
AND UH, LIKE I SAID, IT'S MY HOUSE, MY APARTMENT.
SHE'S LIVING THERE 'CAUSE SHE'S HOMELESS.
SHE HASN'T WORKED A JOB LONGER THAN THREE MONTHS IN THE 20 YEARS WE'VE BEEN TOGETHER.
SO IF ANYTHING SHE DOES OWN, I PARTIALLY OWN TOO 'CAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT'S EVER WORKED IN THE LAST 18 YEARS TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY.
AND THEN, UH, OTHER STUFF TO THIS, I HAD TO, UH, MODIFY THIS ORIGINAL ONE THAT I GAVE TO YOU.
UH, I HAD TO CHANGE A FEW THINGS 'CAUSE IT SAID A TICKET FOR ON WHILE TOUCHING ASSAULT, WHICH WAS ENDED UP BEING TWO AFTER I TOLD 'EM WHEN THEY WERE TAKING TO JAIL.
IF Y'ALL ARE TAKE TO JAIL, I WANT THAT SECOND TICKET ON, ON HER FOR UNWANING TOUCHING ASSAULT.
AND THE OFFICER TOLD ME NO, HE WAS NOT GONNA DO IT.
BUT THEN I GUESS AFTER SOME TALK BETWEEN HIM AND THE SERGEANT OR WHATEVER, THEY DID GIVE HER THE SECOND TICKET FOR THE UNWANING TOUCHING ASSAULT TICKET.
AND THEN, UH, AND I HAD TO CHANGE, UH, THE PART WHERE IT SAYS DOWN THERE AT THERE I HAD THE VIDEO OF WHERE I WAS TELLING HIM ABOUT THAT I HAD TO PUT POTENTIAL JOB LOSS 'CAUSE SHE USE UNAUTHORIZED USE IN MY COMPANY CREDIT CARD WHILE I WAS LOCKED AWAY ON THIS CHARGE.
THAT WAS SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED.
AND, UH, I HAD A MARK OUT WHERE IT SAID POTENTIAL BECAUSE THEY FIRED ME FRIDAY OVER THIS CREDIT CARD.
AND SOME, YOU KNOW, FAMILY THINKS I HAVE TO KEEP DEALING WITH HER.
SO, UH, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I DON'T KNOW, I JUST PUT $5 MILLION.
I JUST GUESSING, GOD, I DON'T KNOW.
LIKE I SAID, I SUFFER FROM MAN, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, DEPRESSION, ANXIETY.
I'M ON MEDICATION, BEEN TAKING IT FOR, FOR YEARS.
AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN FOR THE LAST 41 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
AND COMING FROM THE GHETTO AND MAKING IT THIS FAR TO BE BROUGHT DOWN ON SOME CHARGES THAT ARE, I'M NOT GONNA LET IT HAPPEN.
AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I'M ALL GOOD.
AND THEN I WOULD LIKE MAYBE A REPLY WITHIN BY THE END OF FRIDAY, MAYBE 10 ON WHAT Y'ALL PLAN TO DO.
AND IF NOT, THEN I WILL REACH OUT TO ONE OF THE MANY LAWYERS IN MY INBOX THAT WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS CASE ON.
SALLY, CAN WE GET, UH, SOME HELP ON HIS LAPTOP, TABLET THAT'S NOT COMING UP ANYWHERE.
AND WHILE YOU WORK ON THAT, UH, NEXT ITEM IS, UH, DECLARATION OF CONFLICT.
IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS, VISITOR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO A DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL CAN DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CONFLICT TO DECLARE? NO SIR.
[CONSENT AGENDA]
AGENDA.AGAIN, I WILL NOT READ THE CONSENT AGENDA, BUT I WILL READ THIS STATEMENT.
ALL ITEMS LISTED BELOW WITHIN THE CONSENT AGENDA ARE ROUTINE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAY BE ENACTED WITH ONE MOTION.
THERE WILL BE NO, UH, A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ON ITEMS UNLESS THE COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS IN WHICH EVENT THE ITEM MAY BE REMOVED TO THE REGULAR AGENDA.
THERE'S ANY ITEM THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER ONE.
ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT ITEM ONE.
I'LL LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO WAIT.
JOHN, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER TWO THROUGH 11.
WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, REGULAR AGENDA, WHICH, UH, WILL BE, IS MODIFIED NOW WITH, UH, ITEM ONE FROM CONSENT AGENDA.
SO THIS IS, UH, APPROVAL OF MINUTES
[1. Approval of Minutes – May 5, 2025 & May 12, 2025]
OF MAY 12TH.AND THIS IS LAST MONDAY'S, UH, 2025 MEETING MS. SETH FOR ME.
SO, UH, READING THROUGH THE MINUTES, UM, I DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS.
I COULD TELL IT WAS AI GENERATED.
UM, I DO THINK THAT OUR MINUTES SHOULD BE VERY SPECIFIC WHO SAID WHAT.
UM, AND THAT'S THE POINT OF US HAVING MINUTES IS
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FOR IT TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND SEE WHO SAID WHAT.UM, I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS THEY WERE.
I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY UPDATED MINUTES UNLESS I'VE MISSED THEM.
THE MAY 5TH MINUTES WERE REMOVED FROM THE AGENDA.
THE MINUTES THAT ARE ON HERE FOR APPROVAL ARE ONLY THE CANVAS MINUTES.
BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT AND, AND, UH, IT WAS, UH, UH, AI ELABORATES A LITTLE BIT ON SOME STUFF AND MAKES IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CUSHY THAN JUST DIRECT INFORMATION.
SO WE NEED TO WORK WITH IT TO GET IT TO, UH, TO LEARN WHAT IT NEEDS TO DO.
AND I PUT A, I PUT A CALL OUT TO, AND I'M SURE YOU'VE PROBABLY DONE THE SAME THING, BUT I, UH, WAS AT A MEETING ON FRIDAY AND UH, UH, WITH A BUNCH OF, UH, OTHER MAYORS AND, UH, COUNTY JUDGES AND STUFF.
SO I TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT TO THEM.
AND ALSO H IT WAS AN HEC MEETING AND, UM, ASKED THEM IF, UH, IF THEY KNOW OF ANY KIND OF, UM, TOOLS THAT CAN HELP WITH MINUTES THAT, THAT ARE USING AI.
'CAUSE THAT'S A BIG DISCUSSION ACROSS EVERYWHERE.
YOU GUYS HAVE ALWAYS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF BEING VERY ACCURATE AND, AND PRECISE.
UM, I KNEW TWO COUNCILS AGO, I WAS LIKE, SALLY DIDN'T WRITE THAT
I SPOKE WITH MR. NUNO THIS MORNING.
AND, UM, WE'LL BE INCORPORATING MORE COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MAKE INTO AND JUST KIND OF TRYING TO COMBINE 'EM TO WHERE THEY'RE MORE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE AND, AND LESS FLUFF, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE UNDERSCORE THE ENTHUSIASM OF COUNCIL, YOU KNOW,
SO THINGS LIKE THAT WE'RE RARELY ENTHUSIASTIC.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM? THIS IS FOR, UH, MINUTES OF MAY 12TH.
NOW I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, APPROVING THE MINUTES OF MAY 12TH.
MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MAY 12TH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
VERY WELL, UH, WE MOVE ON TO, UH, REGULAR
[1. Appoint the Mayor Pro Tem – Mayor Roznovsky]
AGENDA ITEM ONE.UM, SO WHAT IT IS, MAYOR PRO TEM IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE, UM, UH, SELECTS A MAYOR PRO TEM, UH, AND, UH, TO FILL FOR FILL IN FOR THE MAYOR.
UH, IN MY ABSENCE OR INABILITY TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS, UM, IT CAN BE ANYTHING FROM, UH, SHOWING UP TO, UH, MAKE PRESENTATIONS OR WELCOMES TO GROUPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
PARTICIPATE IN MEETINGS OR JUST SAW SIGNING DOCUMENTS.
IN MY ABSENCE, UH, LAST YEAR, WE MADE SOME CHANGES LAST YEAR.
AND LAST YEAR THE CHANGE WAS, IS THAT WE CHANGED IT TO WHERE, UM, THE PERSON THAT WAS, UH, WOULD FILL THE POSITION OF MAYOR BRO TIM, UH, NEEDED TO AT LEAST, UH, BE ON COUNCIL FOR AT LEAST A YEAR.
THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL, THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT ARE ON COUNCIL HERE THAT, THAT, UH, AS SOON AS THEY STEPPED ON AT, ON THE DIOCESE, THEY BECAME MAYOR PRO TIM.
AND THEY FELT LIKE THAT, UH, PUT THEM IN A, IN A PROCURE, UH, SITUATION.
SO, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT TO LEARN THAT FIRST YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIRST TERM, REALLY.
AND SO, UH, AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE PIECE OF IT WAS, IS THAT, UH, COUNCIL WOULD, UH, ACTUALLY, UH, MAKE, UH, UH, MAKE THAT APPOINTMENT AND THAT THEY WOULD, UH, NOMINATE SOMEONE AND THEN, UH, DO A VOTE FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL, UH, OR INDIVIDUAL.
YEAH, INDIVIDUAL VOTE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL.
SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I'D LIKE TO TAKE, UH, MOTIONS FOR, UH, THE POSITION OF MAYOR PRO TEM.
I NOMINATE, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, RHONDA SETH.
SO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ANYTHING NOMINATE, UH, RHONDA, SETH, DO I HAVE A SECOND ON THAT? AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
WE HAVE A SECOND BY, UM, MR. SCHULER, ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? ALRIGHT, IF NOT, UH, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
I'LL TAKE A VOTE ON THE APPOINTMENT OF, UH, RHONDA SETH AS MAYOR PRO TEM.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, WELL, CONGRATULATIONS.
NOW WE'RE GONNA DO, GO AND SHUFFLE CHAIRS.
SO WHAT, WHAT MATT BROUGHT US FOUND OUT WAS, WAS BEING IN POSITION ONE 'CAUSE YOU'RE THE FLOATER.
SO EVERY TIME WE MOVE MAYOR PRO, TIM, YOU MOVE TO THERE.
YOU GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT BY SALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AND A YEAR OR SO AND WATCH OUT SITTING NEXT TO SHERRY.
'CAUSE SHE PLAYS, UH, VIDEO GAMES OVER THERE.
SO WE MIGHT, SHE'LL GET YOU IN TROUBLE.
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I DO MY BLOG.SO NOW WE GO TO OUR REGULAR ITEM
[2. Discuss and consider whether the city should continue providing all roll-off dumpsters within the city. – NewGen Strategies]
NUMBER TWO IS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER, UM, WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD CONTINUE PROVIDING, UH, ALL ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, SEE WITHIN THE CITY.AND LET'S THE, YOU'LL START THIS OFF? YES.
UM, LAST SUMMER, I BELIEVE, UH, COUNCIL ASKED US TO DO A LOOK AT OUR ROLL OFF, UH, BUSINESS.
OUR ROLL OFF CON, UH, CONTAINER PORTION OF, UH, UH, OF OUR SANITATION BUSINESS, I GUESS, HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE EVER SINCE WE STARTED, UH, SANITATION WITH, WITH THE CITY.
IT CONSISTS OF PRIMARILY PICKING UP, UM, CONSTRUCTION, DEBRIS, UH, ANYTHING THAT'S BEING BUILT THAT, UH, REQUIRES A, A ROLL OFF OUR DEMO OR DEMOLITION.
BUT IT HAS TWO OTHER COMPONENTS.
UH, ONE THAT'S GROWN SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, WHEN WE OPENED THE CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE CENTER.
SO THERE'S A LARGE PORTION OF ROLL OFFS THAT ARE, UH, PART OF THE PICKUP PLAN OUT OF THE CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE CENTER.
AND THEN THERE'S A SMALL MINOR COMPONENT, UH, THAT THE UTILITY, UM, UH, WASTEWATER PLANT, UH, GENERATES WHAT WE CALL SLUDGE AS WELL.
AND, UH, THE DEPARTMENT, UH, THE INTERNAL DEPARTMENT PICKS UP, UH, THAT, UH, THE SLUDGE AND TAKES IT TO, TO THE LANDFILL.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE COMPONENTS.
AGAIN, PRIMARILY THE LARGEST ONE IS THE CUSTOMER, UH, BASE.
UM, WHEN I ARRIVED IN 95, I WOULD SAY THAT WE PROBABLY PICKED UP 90% OF THE CONTAINERS.
UM, AND SLOWLY WE, UH, AND WE CONTRACTED OUT WHAT WE COULDN'T HANDLE.
THAT HAS CHANGED OVER THE YEARS SLOWLY, WHERE WE'VE CONTRACTED OUT, UH, THAT WHICH WE COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, PICK UP.
AND NOW PRIMARILY IT IS, UM, WE CONTRACT OUT, UH, THE LARGEST PORTION OF IS PICKED UP BY A THIRD PARTY PROVIDER FOR US UNDER OUR RATES.
WE HANDLE THE BILLING AND TAKING THE PHONE CALL AND THE SCHEDULING.
AND THEN WE DO, UM, ALMOST, WE, I THINK WE DO EVERYTHING AT THE CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE CENTER AND THE, AND THE FLOOD SITE.
AND THEN THEY, IF THEY HAVE TIME, THEY'LL SERVICE.
UM, I BELIEVE MOSTLY THE, UM, THE COMPACTORS LIKE IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND, UH, A COUPLE OF, OF KEY BUSINESSES.
SO THAT'S KIND OF THE BREAKOUT.
DURING THE SUMMER, YOU ASKED US TO LOOK AT THAT.
THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM A CITIZEN, UH, THAT ASKED, YOU KNOW, WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY DOES THE CITY HAVE A, A MONOPOLY ON IT? UM, AND WE DON'T FRANCHISE IT.
UH, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES WILL FRANCHISE, UH, THAT OPERATION OUT.
UH, BUT WE DO IT, UH, UM, THROUGH US A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE CITY.
SO WE, UH, HIRED NEWGEN, UH, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR TO LOOK AT IT.
NEWGEN HAS, UH, HELPED US, UH, UH, COME OVER THROUGH ALL OF OUR SANITATION OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS FOR TRYING TO CALCULATE WHAT AN APPROPRIATE FEE IS FOR, UM, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE.
BUT WE'VE NEVER DONE A DEEP DIVE ONTO ROLL OFFS.
AND SO WE ASKED THEM, THEY STARTED OFF IN OCTOBER AND THEY'VE NOW COME TO THEIR, UM, UM, THEIR STUDY RECOMMENDATION.
AND, UM, I THINK WE'VE COPIED YOU, UH, THE REPORT AS PART OF THE PACKET.
BUT MR. YANKE AND THEN, UH, SAVANNAH PAGE, UM, ARE HERE TO, UH, UH, PRESENT THEIR FINDINGS TO YOU.
WHILE THEY'RE STEPPING UP, IS, UH, THE SWITCH FROM US HANDLING MOST OF THE LOAD TO NOW WE'RE CONTRACTING AND WE'RE, WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE FOR THIRD PARTY, WHAT HAS DRIVEN THAT? HAS IT BEEN DEMAND OR IS IT, WE'VE REDUCED EQUIPMENT.
IT'S BEEN DEMAND, WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH DEMAND.
UH, SO WHAT, WHAT HE JUST SAID, OUR PERSONNEL'S NOT HANDLING IT FROM START TO FINISH LIKE BEFORE.
AND A LOT OF THAT'S FROM DEMAND AND ALSO PUSHING THEIR TIME OVER TO THE CCC.
UH, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT INVOLVED IN MUCH ANYMORE.
UH, MOSTLY THE CONTRACTOR PICKS UP, YOU KNOW, FOR US WHEN WE MAKE THE CALL, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY 80% OF THE PICKUPS, UH, ARE PROBABLY, UM, I GUESS DAVID AND SAVANNAH WOULD NOTE TO, YEAH.
WE'LL, TO THE LINE, WHAT THAT IS, LET ME GO INTO THE, I THINK I CAN ANSWER A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS.
UH, AND THEN IF THERE ARE, IF I HAVEN'T ANSWERED 'EM, THEN LET'S GO THROUGH 'EM.
ALSO, THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS HERE ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT OTHER CITIES DO.
AND SO I'M GLAD TO TALK ABOUT, 'CAUSE WE WORK WITH QUITE A FEW CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND IN OTHER STATES ON SOLID WASTE ISSUES.
SO, UH, I'LL BE GLAD TO GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND SEE IF
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I ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS.AS SOON AS I FIGURE OUT, YEAH, YOU GOTTA TURN IT ON.
SO, UM, JUST, UH, FIRST OF ALL, WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU A BRIEF INTRODUCTION ON OUR FIRM, WHY WE'RE DOING THIS, TALK ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF IT.
UH, MODESTO ALREADY TOUCHED ON THAT, BUT THEN I'LL WALK THROUGH THE ROLL OFF ANALYSIS WE DID, WE LOOKED AT A STATUS QUO, YOUR CURRENT OPERATION, AND THEN WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OTHER SCENARIOS.
UM, ONE WHERE YOU ONLY SERVICE THE CITY OWNED CONTAINERS, WHICH I'LL WALK THROUGH IN A SECOND, UH, SECOND SCENARIO IF YOU WERE TO COMPLETELY EXIT THE ROLL OFF SERVICE.
AND THEN A THIRD ONE, IF YOU WERE TO COMPLETELY EXIT IT AND CHARGE A 5% FRANCHISE FEE, UM, FOR, UM, THOSE SERVICES PROVIDED BY SPRINT OR WHOMEVER.
AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE YOU THE FINDINGS AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS.
JUST REAL QUICK, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LET YOU KNOW, UH, GEN STRATEGY SOLUTIONS.
WE FOCUS ON WORKING IN THE WATER, WASTEWATER, ELECTRIC AND SOLID WASTE AREA, COST TO SERVICE STUDIES, FEASIBILITY STUDIES, THINGS LIKE THIS, OPERATIONAL REVIEWS IN THE SOLID WASTE AREA.
WE ARE NOT AN ENGINEERING FIRM.
SO THIS IS STRICTLY WHAT WE FOCUS ON.
WITH REGARD TO MY BACKGROUND, EXCUSE ME.
UM, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SOLID WASTE AREA NOW GOING ON 30 YEARS.
COST OF SERVICE STUDIES, UH, FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
UH, SAVANNAH PAGE IS A SENIOR CONSULTANT WITH OUR FIRM.
SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH ME, UH, FOR FOUR YEARS ON THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS.
SO THE KEY PURPOSE, UH, AGAIN, TO ASSIST THE CITY IN EVALUATING ITS OPTIONS WITH DETERMINING WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD REMAIN IN THE ROLL OFF BUSINESS OR WHETHER THE CITY SHOULD, UH, CONTRACT OUT THE SERVICE, BASICALLY GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
SO WHAT WE DID A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE CONDUCTED A SOLID WASTE COST OF SERVICE AND RATE DESIGN STUDY, UH, FOR THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
DETERMINED WHAT THE COST OF SERVICE WAS.
SO IN THAT FIVE YEAR FORECAST, WE FORECASTED OUT WHAT THE SOLID WASTE UTILITY COST TO OPERATE, WHICH WAS FORECASTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 AT ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
AND THEN IN FY 2026 WITH GENERAL INFLATION, ABOUT 5.7 MILLION AT THE SAME TIME.
WE WENT THROUGH AND DID A COST OF SERVICE ALLOCATION FOR ALL YOUR DIFFERENT SERVICES.
SO SPECIFICALLY ON THE ROLL OFF COLLECTION BUSINESS, YOU HAVE ONE ROLL OFF TRUCK, A BACKUP ROLL OFF TRUCK, ONE PERSON, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE ASSOCIATED FUEL FLEET SERVICE REPAIR MAINTENANCE FOR THAT.
AND THAT BUSINESS, UM, IS COST YOU TO OPERATE APPROXIMATELY $583,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 2026, ABOUT $600,000.
THAT DOES INCLUDE THE DISPOSAL COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE.
SO WE'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
BOTTOM LINE, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THAT AND DID THE COST OF SERVICE AND ASSIGNED THE PERSONNEL EQUIPMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS, YOUR DIRECT COST PER PULSE.
SO DOES THIS THING HAVE A RED, UH, YOU'VE GOT A POINTER UP THERE.
I JUST, UH, THERE'S A POINTER ON THE TABLE.
IN FRONT OF YOU THERE ON THE PODIUM.
NO, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL JUST TALK, I'LL START BLINDING SOMEONE.
SO, UH, THE TOP LINE, DIRECT COST PER POLE, BOTTOM LINE, YOUR EQUIPMENT COSTS, LABOR COSTS, FUEL MAINTENANCE.
YOU'RE PICKING UP ABOUT 1300 POLES A YEAR.
UM, IT'S ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT A DAY.
SO BOTTOM LINE, UM, THE COST TO OPERATE IS $218 AND 6 CENTS.
THAT'S TO DO THE PULL OF EVERY CONTAINER.
YOU'VE GOT THESE CONTAINERS THAT ARE 2030.
UM, YOU PROVIDE 20 AND 30 CUBIC YARD ROLL OFF CONTAINERS.
SO EVERY TIME THE TRUCK GOES TO GET IT AND TAKE THE LANDFILL, THAT'S CALLED A PULL.
SO YOU'RE PULLING THE CONTAINER.
THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DISPOSAL COST.
OKAY? SO THE COST FOR YOU TO PULL A CONTAINER IS $218.
I'LL JUST TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD COST IN THE BUSINESS.
WE HAVE CLIENTS THAT I'M WORKING WITH, THEIR POLES ARE OVER $300.
UM, THEY'RE DOING ON AVERAGE BETWEEN SIX AND EIGHT POLES A DAY TO THE LANDFILL.
SO MY POINT IS, YOU'VE GOT A WELL RUN OPERATION WITH THAT COST.
UM, THAT JUMPED OUT AT US RIGHT AWAY.
THE NEXT THING WE DO THOUGH, IS TO COME UP WITH COST SERVICE.
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YOU SEE THE SECOND AND THIRD LINES, AND WE'LL JUST FOCUS ON YEAR ONE, FISCAL YEAR 2025, DISPOSAL COST PER CUBIC YARD, UNC THAT IT'S $8 AND 46 CENTS PER CUBIC YARD.UH, IF IT'S A COMPACTOR, YOU KNOW, THINK COMING FROM YOUR WALMART OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S 9 67 PER CUBIC YARD.
SO HOW YOU DO THE CALCULATION, THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS YOU TO OPERATE THE SERVICE.
AND THEN I'LL PULL OUT OF THE WEEDS.
BUT, UM, THE OPEN TOP, TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THE 20 CUBIC YARD HERE, THE $387 26 CENTS, THAT'S WHAT IT COSTS YOU TO PICK IT UP AND GO TAKE IT TO LANDFILL.
AND THEN SEA BREEZE CHARGES YOU $8 AND 67 CENTS.
WE WENT THROUGH AND CAME UP FOR ALL THE COSTS THERE.
BOTTOM LINE, RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR STATUS QUO, YOU HAVE ABOUT 500 CONTAINERS.
THAT FIRST LINE, THOSE ARE THE CHARGED PULLS.
YOU PICK UP ABOUT 500 DUMPSTERS, UH, ROLL OFF CONTAINERS A YEAR WHERE YOU GET PAID.
IT'S A BUSINESS, AN APARTMENT COMPLEX, WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO THEY PAY THE FEE, UM, TO PICK IT UP.
THEY PAY, YOU KNOW, IF A PRIVATE BUSINESS IS USING SPRINT, THEY PAY THE SAME FEE AS WHAT THEY PAY FOR THE CITY TO PICK IT UP.
SO YOU'RE MAKING 147 OVER RECOVER AT A PROFIT OR EXCESS REVENUES $147,000.
BUT KEEP IN MIND, AND MODESTO WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS, YOU HAVE ABOUT 750 POLES WHERE YOU'RE PULLING YOUR BIOSOLIDS FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU EITHER HAVE TO PULL 'EM AND TAKE 'EM TO THE LANDFILL OR SPRINT'S GONNA DO THAT AND CHARGE YOU.
SO YOU'RE PICKING THEM UP AND HAULING THE, THE BIO SOLIDS.
YOU DO ABOUT 300 UH POLES, 250, 300 POLES A YEAR.
AND SO OF COURSE YOU DON'T BILL YOURSELF.
SO WHAT IT COSTS YOU, THAT PART OF THE DISPOSAL COST AND YOUR SHARED COST AND THE TRUCK AND PERSON, YOU'RE, THAT COSTS YOU ABOUT $258,000 TO DO THAT.
UM, THE OTHER PART THAT'S IMPORTANT, SPRINT'S DOING, UH, OH, AND LET ME FOR, I ALMOST FORGOT IN THE NON CHARGE, UH, LIKE MODESTO SAID, YOU HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER 250 THAT ARE FROM, UH, THE CITIZEN COLLECTION CENTER THAT ARE GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
AND THEN YOU HAVE ABOUT 70 POLES THAT ARE LIKE FROM THE PARKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO IN THAT NON CHARGE POLES, THERE'S ABOUT SIX, 700 POLES THAT YOU'RE DOING.
THEN YOU HAVE WHAT SPRINTS PULLING.
AND THEY'RE DOING ABOUT 900 POLES WITHIN THE CITY.
SO AGAIN, YOU'RE DOING TOTAL ABOUT 1200 POLES, WHAT YOU GET PAID FOR.
AND THEN THE ONES YOU'RE PULLING FROM YOUR CITY, YOU KNOW, FA FACILITIES, UH, SPRINT POLES, ABOUT 900 CONTAINERS.
AND THEY GET PAID A SET FEE AND THEN THEY PAY THE DISPOSAL COST, THE BILLING GOES THROUGH THE CITY, AND THE CITY ACTUALLY GENERATES $225,000 THROUGH THAT, THAT MECHANISM BECAUSE THEY GET PAID A FEE.
AND THEN THE RATE IS SET THAT EVERYONE PAYS.
AND SO YOU ACTUALLY GENERATE ALMOST A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS OFF THOSE.
SO BOTTOM LINE, THE CITY IS GENERATING AN OVER RECOVERY ABOUT $114,000 A YEAR.
UM, THAT CAN GO INTO THE RESERVE FOR WHAT HAVE YOU.
SO LET'S LOOK AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS.
I WENT INTO A LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT ONE.
SO IN THIS SCENARIO, NOTHING CHANGES EXCEPT THE CITY.
UM, DOES THOSE 500 CUSTOMERS I SAID YOU WERE PULLING AND GETTING PAID FOR, YOU'RE GONNA QUIT IN THIS SCENARIO DOING THAT.
SO BACK HERE YOU WERE GENERATING $147,000 FROM THOSE.
AND SO YOU HAVE THE NON CHARGE POLES AND THEN YOUR REVENUE ON THE SPRINT POLES GOES UP A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THEY'RE PULLING SOME OF YOURS.
BUT BOTTOM LINE, YOU ARE NOW UNDER RECOVERING $30,000 A YEAR.
OKAY? THE SECOND SCENARIO IS IF THE CITY COMPLETELY EXITS THE ROLL OFF SERVICE, OKAY, THAT MEANS YOU SELL THE TRUCK, YOU DON'T HAVE THE PERSON ANYMORE, AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SPRINT PULL EVERYTHING.
KEEP IN MIND, UM, THERE ARE ABOUT 700 PULLS A YEAR OF CITY SERVICES BIOSOLIDS, THE COLLECTION CENTER, SOMEONE'S GOTTA PULL THOSE.
EITHER YOU HAVE TO PULL 'EM OR SPRINT HAS TO PULL 'EM.
IF SPRINT PULLS 'EM, YOU END UP WITH A NET UNDER RECOVERY OF 38,000.
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HAVE THAT $87,842.YOU HAVE SOME FIXED COSTS THAT ARE STRANDED COSTS.
YOU STILL MAINTAIN UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE ASSUME THE TRUCK, THE PERSON GOES AWAY.
YOU HAVE A WELDER THAT SPENDS ABOUT A QUARTER OF HIS TIME ON ROLL OFF CONTAINERS.
YOU HAVE AN ADMIN PERSON SPENDS ABOUT A QUARTER OF THEIR TIME.
THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T GET RID OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONLY A QUARTER OF THEIR TIME.
SO BOTTOM LINE UNDER THAT SCENARIO, YOU UNDERCOVERED $38,000.
AND THEN FINALLY THE NEXT SCENARIO WAS, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE COMPLETELY OUT OF THE BUSINESS, BUT YOU WERE TO CHARGE A 5% FRANCHISE FEE ON ALL THE REVENUES GENERATED BY SPRINT, UM, YOU GENERATE ABOUT $58,905.
SO YOU HAVE AN OVER RECOVERY OF $20,000.
I KNOW I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.
BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF ANALYSIS WE HAD TO GO INTO.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO DO IS GO IN AND LOOK AT ALL THE POLES AND WHAT SIZE DUMPSTERS, UH, ROLL OFF CONTAINERS.
BUT YOU CAN SEE THE STATUS QUO IS THE FIRST COLUMN.
UH, YOU'RE GENERATING, UH, AN OVER RECOVERY OF $114,000.
BUT UNDER ANY OF THE OTHER SCENARIOS, YOU LOSE MONEY OR YOU JUST BARELY BREAK EVEN AT $20,000.
UM, SO BOTTOM LINE, BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS AND MY EXPERIENCE, UH, WORKING WITH OTHER CITIES, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU MAINTAIN THE STATUS QUO.
YOU'VE GOT A VERY WELL RUN OPERATION AT $218 A PULL.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE SPRINT.
YOU PAY THEM OR THEY GET PAID ON THEIR POLLS, $268.
SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY DOING IT FOR LESS THAN THAT.
SO I WOULD STAY IN THE BUSINESS, UH, WITH THAT.
I'M GLAD, YOU KNOW, GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, AGAIN, I'LL JUST ASK A FEW QUESTIONS REAL QUICK, BUT, UH, YEAH, ANYTIME I START LOOKING AT THIS, I WANNA BE, I ALWAYS WANNA BE SURE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, COMPAR COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN WHENEVER, YOU KNOW, I HEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMENT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GENERAL PUBLIC CAN GO OUT THERE AND HIRE SPRINT FOR LESS THAN WHAT IT COSTS TO, TO HAVE A ROLL OFF DONE BY THE CITY.
UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE AT OTHER, OTHER CITIES, UH, IN THE AREA THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO, WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT CAN PULL A, YOU KNOW, IT COSTS SOME X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN LAKE JACKSON.
THEY, THEY CALL UP SPRINT AND UH, HAVE SPRINT DO THE SERVICE FOR 'EM IN CLU, FOR EXAMPLE, OR FREEPORT.
AND THEY SAY IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE.
AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS, IS WHY IS IT LESS EXPENSIVE? IS IT, AGAIN, I WANNA BE SURE THAT WE'RE COMPARING APPLES, APPLES BECAUSE, AND SOME, WHEN I'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE EXPLAIN TO ME, UH, THEY TALK ABOUT, UH, THAT WHEN THEY ORDER THE CONTAINER, THE ROLL OFF, THEY, THE, THE PRICING THEY SEE IS EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE DISPOSAL.
AND THEN WHENEVER THE DISPOSAL IS PUT ON TOP OF IT, WELL THEN I SAY, WELL, THEN IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE OR IT'S EQUIVALENT TO WHAT WE'RE PAYING.
SO THE, THE WAY THESE FEES ARE SET UP, AND, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IN COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES.
THE DISPOSAL COST HERE WITH YOUR RATE SCHEDULE INCLUDES THE DISPOSAL, RIGHT? RIGHT.
SO OTHER PLACES, AND AGAIN, WE WORK WITH A LOT OF CITIES, THERE'S A COUPLE WAYS THAT FOLKS WILL BUILD THIS SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A LOT OF CITIES THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS.
THE WAY YOU DO IT WHERE IT'S A FLAT FEE, YOU KNOW, $500 AND THAT INCLUDES THE PULL AND THE DISPOSAL OF THE MATERIAL.
YOU WILL HAVE OTHERS WHERE THEY SAY, HEY, IT'S $300 A PULL.
MAYBE THERE'S A RENTAL FEE ON THE CONTAINER OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND THEN WHATEVER, WHEN IT GOES ACROSS THE SCALE AT THE LANDFILL, IF THE TIPPING FEE'S $50 A TON AND IT'S FIVE TONS, YOU OWE ANOTHER $250.
SO IT'S VERY, I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT THOSE OTHER CITIES HAVE, BUT YOURS INCLUDES DISPOSAL COST, WHICH WILL INHERENTLY MAKE IT LOOK MORE EXPENSIVE.
AND SO NEXT QUESTION IS, IS THAT WHENEVER WE PICK UP THE PHONE AND HAVE SPRINT COME SERVICE ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS MM-HMM
SO THEY COME IN AND UH, THEY PROVIDE THE, THE CONTAINER, THEY PICK IT UP AND THEY DELIVER IT AND THEY'RE DISPOSING IT UNDER OUR TIPPING FEE.
SO THEY GET THE BENEFIT OF OUR TIPPING FEE.
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KNOW IF THERE'S, I DON'T KNOW.THEY MAY, THEY MAY HAVE A BETTER TIPPING FEE.
UM, THESE ARE SET UP, I SHOWED THOSE RATES.
THE 8 69, THE 9 67 FOR COMPACTED COMPACTED, RIGHT.
THEY'RE THE SAME FOR EVERYONE.
AND SO THAT'S WITH THE, REGARDLESS OF WHO YEAH, THEY'RE THE SIGN.
YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S A POSSIBILITY.
I MEAN, IF HE CONTRACTED OUT, I MEAN IF WASTE MANAGEMENT WAS DOING IT, COULD THEY GIVE THEMSELVES A BETTER TIPPING FEE THAN US? YES.
'CAUSE THIS WHOLE REASON I BROUGHT THIS UP IS ONE, THE CITY DOES HAVE A MONOPOLY ON IT, PERIOD.
THE CITIZENS DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN WHO THEY CHOOSE, UH, FOR THEIR PROJECT.
UM, THE COMMENTARY THAT I GOT BACK FROM WAS, BUT I DO ENOUGH WORK AND DO ENOUGH, USE ENOUGH ROLL OFF STERS THAT ONE, I HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CITY.
HE SAID I COULD CALL TODAY MY COMPANY AND HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TODAY AND DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE SCHEDULING.
UM, AND HE SAID, I HAVE ENOUGH VOLUME TO WHERE THEY DO GIVE ME BETTER RATES WITH THE TIPPING.
SO THAT IS, THAT'S MY CONCERN WITH IT, IS MAYBE NOT FOR YOUR AVERAGE PERSON THAT JUST DOES IT ONCE, YOU KNOW, IN A LIFETIME OR WHATEVER.
BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO DO BUSINESS AND BUILD BUSINESSES AND THINGS WITHIN OUR CITY, UM, THAT WAS THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK TO ME.
MY, MY QUESTION IS, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IF WE GET OUT OF IT ENTIRELY, I, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, WHEN A, WHEN A PERSON WANTS TO ROLL OFF, IT COMES TO THE CITY, THE CITY TAKES IT, THEN IF THEY FORWARD IT SOMEBODY ELSE WITHIN THE CITY TO SOMEBODY ELSE WITHIN THE CITY, TO SOMEBODY ELSE WITHIN THE CITY, AND THEN ON THE, ON THE REVERSE END OF IT, WHEN IT GOES TO PAY, THEY PAY AND THEN IT REVERSE ALL THE WAY BACK.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE WAY I WAS TOLD IF I UNDERSTOOD IT RIGHT.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE I FOLLOWED THIS, UH, CONTAINER GETTING PASSED ALONG.
NO, NOT THE, NOT THE CONTAINER, THE PAPERWORK INVOLVED IN GETTING IN THE CONTAINER OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
WELL, I MEAN, THERE IS A SCHEDULING PROCESS.
'CAUSE IF I CAME IN TODAY AND PAID FOR IT, PAID IT IN FULL MM-HMM
UM, IT CAN TAKE ONE TO TWO DAYS SOMETIMES FOR THEM TO DELIVER IT TO WHEREVER IT NEEDS TO BE.
AND IT CAN TAKE A DAY OR TWO FOR THEM TO COME PICK IT BACK UP TO TAKE IT WHEREVER.
MY QUESTION IS, I'M NOT EXPLAINING, I DON'T GET WHEN, WHEN ALL THAT HAPPENS IS WAY I UNDERSTAND IT IS WHOEVER TAKES THE THING FROM THE CITY, THEY PASS IT ON TO SOMEBODY ELSE INSIDE THE CITY AND WITHOUT PASSING PAST IT BACK BEFORE THE THING'S ORDERED.
NOW THAT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS TOLD.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS THAT THE WAY IT WORKS DOES, DOES A CHAIN OF COMMAND FROM THE START TO THE FINISH IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON INVOLVED.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR FRONT DESK PERSON, SHE'S GONNA TAKE YOUR PAYMENT AND YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION, EVERYTHING.
AND THEN SHE HAS TO GO THROUGH SCHEDULING.
AND I, I AM ASSUMING SCHEDULING THEN ACTUALLY CONTACTS THE CITY WORKER WHO PULLS THE YEAH.
IS THAT CORRECT? I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT.
UH, THE PHONE CALL HAPPENS OR THE VISIT HAPPENS AT THE FRONT DESK IN PUBLIC, AT THE PERMIT PERMITS.
AND THEN THEY WORK WITH SCHEDULING IT WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, BILL CREW, THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS THEN CALLS, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE CALLING THE PROVIDER SAYS SPRINT, THEY'RE GETTING IT, THEY'RE CALLING SPRINT TO PUT IT OUT, YOU KNOW, TO PUT IT OUT THERE.
SO YES, IT UM, IT'S ONE DEPARTMENT TO THE NEXT AND THEN THEY, THEY'RE CALLING THE PROVIDER TO PUT THE, THE DUMPSTER OUT THERE.
SO, SO IF WE, IF WE GO WITHOUT THE DUMPSTERS, WHOEVER NEEDS THE DUMPSTER, WE'LL CALL THE DUMPSTER FOLKS AND THEY TAKE CARE OF IT FROM START TO FINISH, LEAVES THE CITY OUT OF IT.
IF WE CONTRACTED OUT, UM, THERE'D PROBABLY BE A TRANSITION PERIOD WHERE UH, WELL IF YOU, MOST LIKELY WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IS YOU WOULD BE GOING OUT FOR A PROPOSAL FOR, UM, BID, UM, ASKING FOR PROVIDERS TO BE APPROVED.
AND WE WOULD PERMIT MOST LIKELY A DUMPSTER OR, OR YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THERE'S THREE COMPANIES, THERE'S THREE COMPANIES IN THE AREA THAT CAN DO THIS.
UM, YOU'D ALLOW ALL OF THEM, UH, TO DO IT.
AND IF SOMEONE CAME IN, WE SAID WE'RE NO LONGER IN THE BUSINESS, IF CAN CALL ONE OF THESE THREE COMPANIES AND THEN WE WOULD HIRE A FIRM, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK OVER THEIR RECORDS BECAUSE WE'D BE CHARGING A FRANCHISE OVER IT.
AND WE WOULD AUDIT THEIR, THEIR REVENUE.
THEY WOULD REPORT THEIR REVENUE TO US AND THEIR, WHATEVER THE FRANCHISE FEE THAT IS SET BY COUNCIL AND WHATEVER THEY'VE AGREED TO BY CONTRACT.
AND WE WOULD AUDIT THEIR, THEIR SALES REVENUE.
BUT IT WOULD FREE THOSE THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN THE CITY TO BE DOING OTHER THINGS.
THE FRONT DESK, UM, AS NOBODY HAVE TO MESS WITH IT, WITH JANE, UH, ALLUDED TO WITH, YOU KNOW, 25% OF THE TIME THERE'S BASICALLY ABOUT A QUARTER OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERSON'S TIME AND ABOUT A QUARTER OF THE WELDER'S TIME.
AND THEN AFTER THAT IT'S, YOU'VE GOT A DRIVER, UM, AND THEN THE
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EQUIPMENT, YOU WON'T BE SAVING MUCH.I GUESS, CAN I THROW ONE THING? I'LL JUST THROW SOMETHING OUT TO YOU.
'CAUSE AGAIN, THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
THIS BECOMES A POLICY DECISION.
ALL I CAN SPEAK TO ARE THE NUMBERS IN MY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 30 YEARS.
UM, THE CITY'S RUNNING A BUSINESS ON THESE ROLL OFF POLLS WHERE IT COSTS $218, $220 FOR A POLL, WHICH IS VERY COST EFFECTIVE FOR MOVING YOUR MATERIALS.
LIKE I SAID, SPRINT GETS PAID 2 68 ON THEIRS.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO WHAT OTHER ROLL OFF BUSINESSES ARE CHARGING AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE, 'CAUSE THERE'S BASICALLY ONE LANDFILL HERE.
UM, AND THEIR RATES QUITE FRANKLY ARE NOT THAT CHEAP, BUT THEY'VE KIND OF GOT A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE.
UH, 'CAUSE THE NEAREST LANDFILL SOUTH IS VICTORIA.
IN VICTORIA AND THEN NORTH IT'S AWAY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A PRICING STANDPOINT IT'S PRETTY GOOD.
ONE THING I'M GLAD TO DO, IF SOMEONE FEELS THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD DO BETTER, I'D BE CURIOUS.
I'M, SO SPRINT IS THE ONLY LOCAL BUSINESS THAT WE KNOW.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LANDFILL SEA.
I'M I'M JUST SAYING SPRINTER ONLY LOCAL.
BUT MY POINT IS THE, THE STUDY'S DONE, THE PROJECT'S DONE.
I'D BE GLAD TO LOOK, I'M KIND OF CURIOUS IF SOMEONE'S CHARGING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY TO JUST SEE HOW IT COMPARES.
'CAUSE I THINK CITY'S COSTS ARE PRETTY GOOD.
YEAH, I TO DO AN AVERAGE OVER WITH THE OTHER COMPANIES TOO AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP, COME OUT WITH.
WE DID, WE DID A STUDY LAST YEAR WHERE WE LOOKED AT WHATEVER RATES WE COULD FIND IN THE REGION AND WE WERE, YOU KNOW, VERY AFFORDABLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT SPRINTS INCLUDE.
UH, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S COME UP, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE.
AND PRIVATE HAULERS TEND TO BE VERY PROPRIETARY ON SHARING THAT INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CITY IF THEY'RE IN THE BUSINESS AS WELL.
SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST FROM MY STANDPOINT THAT'S, THOSE, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.
I'D BE GLAD TO LOOK AT IT IF IT MAKES SENSE.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S WRONG THAT WE HAVE A MONOPOLY ON IT AND DON'T ALLOW CITIZENS TO CHOOSE.
AND THEY, OR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH.
AND THE ONE THING, NOW I, I HEAR THAT WE'VE GOT UM, UH, SOME, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF CITIES THAT WE WORK WITH WHERE THE CITY IS EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER.
UM, THEY HAVE OTHERS WHERE THE CITY DOES RESIDENTIAL AND THEN IT'S OPEN MARKET.
UM, I, I FIND THE PRICES, I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE OTHER PRICES WOULD BE.
'CAUSE THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, AND WE HEAR THIS, I WAS JUST ON THE, THE PHONE WITH THE CLIENT TODAY UP IN THE DALLAS FORT WORTH AREA AND THEY'RE DEALING WITH REPUBLIC WASTE.
ONE OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE, THEIR STREET GARBAGE TRUCKS ARE KNOWN FOR BEING NOTORIOUSLY ROUGH ON CITY STREETS.
AND SO IF YOU NOW START HAVING FOUR OR FIVE ROLL OFF TRUCK COMPANIES RUNNING UP AND DOWN YOUR SAME STREETS, THAT'S VERSUS ONE THAT'S JUST MAKING HIS ROUTES.
THERE'S MORE WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREETS.
AND THE CITY I WAS TALKING WITH TODAY, THEY WERE ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THEY GET REPUBLIC TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDING TOWARDS THEIR STREETS DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE THEIR STREETS ARE GETTING POUR OUT.
AND THEY COULD DO THAT THROUGH THE FRANCHISE FEES, I'M ASSUMING, BUT IF THE, IF THE CITY SETS THE FRANCHISE COST, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE LIMITED ON FRANCHISE FEE, RIGHT? TO A DEGREE TO THE 5%.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T CHARGE MORE THAN 5%.
NOW THERE'S BEEN SOME LEGISLATORS THAT HAVE TRIED TO LIMIT IT TO LIKE 3%.
THE LATEST WE HEARD THAT PROBABLY WON'T PASS THIS SESSION.
PROBABLY WHERE I HEARD IT FROM.
BUT IT COULD PASS IN THE FUTURE ONCE, YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU, THIS IS, YOU NEVER GO BY IN THE TRUCK AGAIN.
THIS IS ABOUT THEIR THIRD OR FOURTH SESSION, UH, THAT THEY'VE TRIED WITH IT AND THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY TRUST.
WELL THEY'RE ATTACKING ALL FRANCHISE FEES ANYWAY.
YOU KNOW, I, THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF SURPRISING.
UH, WE HAD NEVER HAD DONE A DEEP DIVE INTO IT.
SO I HAD TOLD DAVE WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, STARTED THIS, I WAS THINKING THAT WE WERE JUST BARELY MAKING A PROFIT, IF ANY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WAS CURIOUS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY COULD WE STOP THE BUSINESS AND SAVE MONEY? UM, I, I SLIGHTLY ANTICIPATED THAT, UH, THE DIFFICULT THING HERE IS, IS THAT BECAUSE WE, IT IS A PROFIT CENTER AND WE, UH, WE'VE TALKED AND IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO EMPLOYEES YOU CAN'T GET RID OF 'CAUSE IT'S ONLY 25% OF THE TIME.
BUT THE OTHER EMPLOYEE THAT DOES
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THE ROLL OFFS ALSO HELPS ON THE COMMERCIAL ROUTESAND SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF THAT.
SO I CAN'T IDENTIFY, I, I WISHED I COULD IDENTIFY A COST WHERE, OH, WE COULD EASILY CUT IT.
WE CAN'T IDENTIFY THE COST TO CUT.
AND SO NOW WE HAVE $114,000 PROFIT CENTER.
IF WE GET RID OF THAT AND GO DOWN TO, LET'S SAY, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE FRANCHISE OUT AND WE DO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NETTING 20, WE HAVE TO MAKE UP $99,000 OR, OR $95,000 WORTH OF REVENUE SOME, SOME WAY AND THAT, SO I'M GONNA ON THE UTILITY SIDE OR OBLIGATED TO FINISH THE REST OF THE CITIZENS' COMMENTARY THERE, WHICH WAS GET RID OF THE RECYCLING PROGRAM.
THAT'S AT LEAST $200,000 AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A NET GAIN.
AND I, I'M, THAT WAS THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME.
SO BY A CITIZEN, RECYCLING IS GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
SO I MEAN, YEAH, YOU CAN HAVE THE OTHER SPIN COMMENTARY THAT YEAH, WE NEED TO CONTINUE WITH THE RECYCLING PROGRAM BECAUSE YOU ARE FILLING UP THE LANDFILL OF THE STUFF THAT CAN BE RECYCLED IN THE COURSE OF THE, IN THE COURSE OF WE GET MORE IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION.
IN THE COURSE OF THE CONVERSATION.
I BROUGHT THAT UP AND I HAD JUST SAID, I, I THINK THAT THIS IS A REVENUE FOR THE CITY AND THAT WAS, AND THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE UP THAT DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, WHICH USUALLY TRANSLATES INTO HIGHER COSTS FOR ALL OF US.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE REPLY OF I KNOW HOW WE CAN SAVE THAT MONEY.
SO THAT WAS JUST, AND THAT WAS JUST THE, THE COMMENTARY.
PRESIDENT, THE 200, THE AMOUNT $114,000 THAT WE ARE MAKING ARE CHEAPER THAN PER PULL THAN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET FROM CONTRACTING.
BUT THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT, THEY'RE SAYING THAT THE SCHEDULING, THE SCHEDULING IS NOT AS GOOD WITH THEIR PRIVATE AND THEIR RATES DUE TO THEIR VOLUME IS NOT AS GOOD EVEN WITH TIPPING AND ALL THAT.
SO, SO THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE CITY, THEY CAN'T GO OUTSIDE ON THEIR OWN.
AND HAVE, WE HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THAT AND THE REASON WHY, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE, SO THEY DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
SO IT'S THE CITY OF, IT'S BEEN THAT WAY SINCE 1943.
UM, AND I'M SURE IN 1943, THE REASON WHY IS 'CAUSE WE READ THE ONLY ONE WE READ, THE ONLY, THERE WERE NO OTHER OPTIONS.
AND, AND AGAIN, THEY, THE, THE REASON WHY O OTHER COMPANIES HAVE BECOME COMPANIES TO DO THIS SERVICE IS BECAUSE THEY FOUNDED A WAY TO BE ABLE TO MAKE MONEY SURE.
AND SO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF, WHOLE LOT OF DYNAMICS THAT PLAYS INTO ALL THIS, ALL THIS.
AND, UH, ONE PIECE OF IT IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER, UM, WHEN YOU GO INTO HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT OR WHOEVER THAT, UH, ABOUT COMING IN AND CONVERTING OVER TO WHERE THEY DO ALL YOUR COLLECTION, OKAY, FOR THOSE GUYS, THEY LOSE MONEY ON RESIDENTIAL PICKUP.
THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY DO THAT IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TWO THINGS.
THEY WANT YOUR ROLL OFF BUSINESS AND THEY WANT YOUR COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
THAT'S WHERE THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU START, UM, I DON'T KNOW, IT'S WHEN YOU START, YOU LOSE WHEEL AWAY THINGS.
YOU START LOSING NEGOTIATION CAPABILITY IF YOU EVER GO DOWN THAT ROAD.
UH, AND, UH, UH, THE, THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN WE HAVE TO CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY AND BE IT BUDGET OR WHATEVER, BE IT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER.
AND THE WAY YOU DO THAT IS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, IS YOU KEEP SERVICES OR THINGS THAT WE DO IN HOUSE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE THAT THE, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUMPING OUTSIDE OF AND INTO THE SOLUTION AREA, WHICH WE SHOULDN'T BE IN.
BUT YOU SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL YOU'RE TALKING TO THAT'S MAKING THESE STATEMENTS IS, IS THAT WELL, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AND THEY, THAT THEY GET A BETTER FEE IF, BECAUSE OF VOLUME.
THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT LOOK AT AND BE ABLE TO DO ALSO IF THERE ARE A HIGH USER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SOLUTION.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS OF LOOKING AT THIS SINCE WE'VE GOT THE DATA TO LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME WIN-WINS OR FIND SOME WAYS THAT WE CAN ADJUST.
BUT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SWALLOW $147,000 ON THE UTILITY SIDE IS GONNA BE TOUGH.
AND YES, THE ONE INDIVIDUAL IS SAYING, WELL, GETS RID OF THE RECYCLING.
YOU HAVE A PART OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT WILL FILL THIS ROOM UP WHEN YOU DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH RECYCLING.
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SO THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS.AND YES, WE HAVE TO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, I DON'T, THERE'S PROBABLY SEVERAL, SEVERAL, SEVERAL SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE THAT YOU COULD SAY WE HAVE MONOPOLY ON.
AND IT JUST HAPPENS THAT THIS ONE IS, IS, UH, IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, HITTING A, A GROUP OF GROUP OF PEOPLE AND THEY, THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT, THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE.
YOU KNOW, WE JUST, UH, GOT A BOND PROJECT APPROVED FOR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
SO HERE WE'RE GONNA GO WITH A TRUCK DRIVER COME IN AND TEAR UP THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GONNA FIX INTO FIX.
SO THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
NO, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
'CAUSE YOU ALREADY HAVE THEM COMING IN ALREADY DOING THAT.
BUT YOU HAVE ONE TRUCK COMING IN AND SERVICING FIVE HOMES OR FIVE AREAS.
NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT TRUCKS COMING AND SERVING THOSE FIVE, BUT YOU'RE STILL GONNA DRIVE UP AND DOWN THE ROAD FIVE TIMES.
IT, YOU'RE STILL PULLING, I MEAN, ONE TRUCK CAN'T PULL FIVE.
ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS AT ONE TIME.
THE EQUIPMENT MAY BE DIFFERENT.
IT'S LIKE, THERE'S SOME, ONE COMMENT I HEARD WAS, UH, REPUBLIC WASTE EQUIPMENT IS MORE HARDER ON THE STREET.
THE EQUIPMENT THEY CARRY, UH, IS RATED FOR MUCH HEAVIER EQUIPMENT THAT TEARS UP YOUR STREETS.
BUT THAT'S, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD NOT GO ANY, YOU NOT MAKE, YOU WOULDN'T MAKE A CUT ANY FURTHER THAN GOING TO A FRANCHISE FEE.
BECAUSE THE FRANCHISE FEE, FRANCHISE FEE CAN HELP YOU COVER THOSE COSTS FOR HAVING THEM DRIVE UP AND DOWN YOUR ROAD TO MAKE MONEY IS THROUGH THAT F FRANCHISE FEE.
WHAT WE CAN, WE'LL KEEP THIS TO, UH, ON THE AGENDA ITEM FOR THE NEXT COUPLE ONES.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T EXPECTING A, A DECISION, UH, TONIGHT, BUT I DO NEED TO CALCULATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE EFFECT IS.
IF WE DO GET OUT OF, OR WE STAY IN WHAT THE, UH, RATE WOULD BE, WE CAN AT LEAST SHOW YOU WHAT THE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RATE WOULD BE IF WE HAVE TO SPREAD THIS OUT, UH, TO THE OTHER CUSTOMERS IF WE LOSE A PROFIT CENTER.
AND I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN THE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION THAT MAYBE THERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES, AT LEAST OF, IF YOU DO HAVE HIGH VOLUME CUSTOMERS OF LOOKING.
YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT THE, WE CAN LOOK AT THE RECORD AND SEE WHAT A HIGH VOLUME CUSTOMER IS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THIS CUSTOMER IS OR NOT.
I, IF THEY WOULD MEET A CERTAIN CRITERIA, BUT WE CAN LOOK AND SEE, UM, UM, SOME, SOME, AND I WOULD DIRECT THEM TO COME HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH YOU DIRECTLY.
IT ALSO WOULD HAVE TO BE OVER TIME.
'CAUSE USUALLY A, A HIGH VOLUME CUSTOMER IS USUALLY A CUSTOMER WHO'S CONSTRUCTING.
I MEAN, IN A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS BUILDING SOMETHING, ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE, THEY, THEIR NUMBERS WILL GO THROUGH THE ROOF OR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX IS BEING BUILT.
AND SO WHERE SOMEONE WHO'S A REMODELER AND IS USING, YOU KNOW, IS A REGULAR CUSTOMER, THEY MAY BE VERY SMALL IN, IN REGARDS TO SURE.
I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE VOLUME, VOLUME FROM THE VOLUME.
I'M SURPRISED WE DO THAT MANY.
UH, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT THE DATA THAT SHOWS HOW MUCH OF IT, OR DO WE HAVE DATA THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S THE, THE DUMPSTERS OR THE ROLL OFF IS JUST GENERAL PUBLIC VERSUS A CONTRACTOR.
SO BUSINESS, WE'VE GOT THE, I'VE GOT IT RIGHT HERE.
SO, UH, MY KIND OF MAN
SAVANNAH'S DONE A REAL GOOD JOB ON THIS.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON HAS 1,291 POLES.
540 ARE THE CHARGED POLES I MENTIONED WHERE YOU'RE GETTING PAID SLUDGE POLES, 359 CCC C POLLS.
SO, SO FROM THE CONVENIENCE CENTER, UM, 320, THEN OTHER NON CHARGED POLES, UM, THAT'S LIKE PARKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THAT'S A TOTAL OF 1,291 POLES.
UM, AND THEN SPRINT IN THE MOST RECENT 12 MONTH PERIOD, UH, WAS 946.
WE'RE PULLING WITH OUR EQUIPMENT, WE'RE PULLING 1,291 YES.
AND SPRINT IS MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE AT, UH, THEY HAVE 9, 9 46.
SO, AND THE CHARGE IS THE FIVE 40.
IT COULD BE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SOME CONSTRUCTION COMPANY.
IT, UH, UH, IT COULD BE A COMPACTOR AS WELL.
UM, LIKE, UM, I THINK AT, AT THE APARTMENTS OR SOMEWHERE? YEAH, AT THE APARTMENTS.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T PULL 40 CUBIC 20.
SO WE DON'T DO THE BIG ONE 40.
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PROBABLY DON'T PULL, SO WE DON'T PULL FORTIES.SO DO WE HAVE THE, I'M SURE WE DO.
WE GOT THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN 2030S AND FORTIES.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT THE TOTAL'S BROKEN DOWN BY, UH, YOU PROBABLY GOT IT THERE, BUT I LIKE NUMBERS INSTEAD OF DOLLARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF I COULD GET A BREAKDOWN OF THE, UH, THE DIFFERENT SIZES AND STUFF SO WE CAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE.
BECAUSE THE FORTIES WE DON'T DO, WE DON'T PULL FORTIES.
SO 72 OF THEM, ALL THE FORTIES ARE PULLED BY SOMEBODY ELSE.
DO YOU HAVE THE, THE PULLS BROKEN OUT BY THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES THAT WE COULD PACKET? NO, BUT AT, ON, AT, IN THE MODEL AND EVERYTHING, YES.
WE COULD PROVIDE IT TO MODESTO.
SAVANNAH DO WE HAVE, CAN WE EVER PULL, LIKE FOR A PARTICULAR CUSTOMER? IN IN WHAT CONTEXT? LIKE IF WE HAVE THE NAME OF THE CUSTOMER TO SEE HOW MANY POOLS THEY HAVE, LIKE BEST ONE YEAR PULL TWO YEARS.
I PROBABLY, I WANT TO SAY YES.
I BELIEVE WE GOT THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU GUYS.
WE KNOW WHO IT IS AND WHAT THEIR SIZE IS.
AND IF THEY'RE SERVICED BY THE CITY OR SPRINT.
BECAUSE IT'D BE GOOD TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE CAN SLICE THE DATA AND, AND YOU KNOW, BUY ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL OR OTHER THAN AN INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN, JUST ONE TIME, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE NAME AND THE VOLUMES.
MOST OF THE POOLS ARE GONNA BE, UH, CONSTRUCTION.
THEY'RE REALLY NOT GONNA BE CITIZENS.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE A COMMERCIAL.
OKAY'S GONNA BE A, A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
AND I WOULD ALSO GUESS THAT ALMOST, UH, I KNOW A PERCENTAGE, BUT A MAJORITY OF IT IS GOING TO BE FROM CONSTRUCTION OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.
AND AGAIN, CAN WE MAKE A, CAN WE BE SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING, WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT WE HAVE A GOOD PRICE, UH, IS THAT UH, OR VERY EFFICIENT, VERY GOOD PRICE? IS THAT, CAN WE SOMEHOW, AGAIN, COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES IF YOU WENT OUT ON THE STREET AND JUST YEAH.
WE CAN, WE CAN COMPARE THE DATA.
WE CAN ALSO, I MEAN, I PICK A PHONE AND CALL SPRINT.
I CAN CALL ALL OF THEM AND SAY, I WANT A CONTAINER 40 FOOTER.
WHAT'S IT GONNA COST YOU? YEAH.
THE HARD THING IS, UM, IS BECAUSE THEY BILL DIFFERENTLY, UH, THEY'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE POOL IS, BUT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO TELL YOU THE WEIGHT OR, OR FOR THE LANDFILL FEE THAT THEY'RE PAYING.
THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GIVE US A RANGE, UH, THAT THEY DO.
AND, AND THE CITY DOESN'T EITHER.
I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT'S GOT AN, IF YOU'RE OVER THIS WEIGHT OR IF IT'S OVER THIS HEIGHT, THEN IT'S AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE.
SO I MEAN, THEY, THERE IS AN INCLUDED AMOUNT, BUT IF YOU ARE PUTTING CONCRETE IN THERE VERSUS BRUSH, IT'S GONNA BE A DIFFERENT RATE EVEN.
WELL, YOU'RE PAYING BY THE PAYING BY THE WEIGHT.
FOR, BUT THAT'S EVEN TRUE ON THE CITY CONTRACT.
THE, UH, ALL I KNOW, I MEAN, MY ONLY EXPERIENCE WITH ORDERING CONTAINER WAS INCLUDE FROM MY PARENTS' HOUSE.
AND WE DID IT, WE TOOK A 40 FOOT CONTAINER AND WE FILLED IT SLAP DAB FOOT, AND IT WAS WHENEVER THE CONTRACTOR QUOTING SAID, THIS IS WHAT THE PRICE OF THE CONTAINER TO HAVE IT SIT HERE, 40 FOOTER.
AND YOU COULD HAVE IT IF YOU, YOU COULD HAVE IT UP TO SO MANY DAYS MM-HMM
AND IF YOU HAD IT FOR LONGER THAN THAT, THEN THERE WAS AN EXTRA FEE.
AND THEN THE PRICE OF PICKING IT UP AND TAKING IT TO THE LANDFILL AND THEN THERE WAS A LANDFILL FEE.
AND SO, UH, AND THEN THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL FEE IF YOU HAVE THEM COME EMPTY IT AND BRING IT BACK.
THERE'S ANOTHER SETTING FEE, WHICH IS VERY, YEAH.
THAT'S VERY COMMON, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, UM, YEAH, WE CAN GET, WE DID A SURVEY LAST YEAR AS, AS BEST AS WE COULD COLLECT THE DATA.
I THINK WE MAY HAVE HAD SEVEN OR EIGHT DIFFERENT CITIES BECAUSE AGAIN, MOST OF IT IS, WHAT I FIND VERY STRANGE
UM, AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THERE'S NO PUBLISHED PRICE.
THEY JUST LET PEOPLE COME IN AND DO IT.
AND IT IS, WHATEVER IT IS, TEAR UP THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THEY PROBABLY STILL CHARGE A FRANCHISE FEE OFF OF IT, HOPEFULLY.
BUT, UH, THERE'S NO PUB PUBLISHED.
IT'S HARD TO FIND PUBLISHED RATES.
THAT'S, IT'S THE ONE, AGAIN, IN THAT AREA WHERE IF A CITY HAS AN OPEN MARKET, IT'S VERY, YOU KNOW, IF I'M SITTING THERE AND GOING, OKAY, I WANNA BUY A USED ROLL OFF TRUCK AND I WANT TO BUY 10 CONTAINERS.
NOW COST STEEL'S GONE UP THESE CONTAINERS.
THE TWENTIES AND THIRTIES USED TO BE THREE TO FOUR GRAND.
NOW THEY'RE ABOUT SIX TO 8,000 WITH STEEL COSTS AND EVERYTHING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S EASIER TO GET INTO THE ROLL OFF BUSINESS, BUY A USED ROLL OFF TRUCK FOR SAY 50 60 GRAND, GET ABOUT 10 CONTAINERS.
I MEAN, YOU CAN GET INTO THE BUSINESS FOR 150 GRAND.
I MEAN, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT IT'S A LOT CHEAPER THAN IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO THE FRONT
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LOAD BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, AND DO THE WENDY'S AND ALL THOSE, THOSE TRUCKS ARE 350, 400,000.EVERY ONE OF THOSE CONTAINERS, THOSE DUMPSTERS IS A THOUSAND DOLLARS.
IT'S ROLL OFF BUSINESS IS EASY TO GET INTO.
WELL, I'M, I'M NEW TO THIS SITUATION, BUT THAT, UH, BASED ON YOUR NUMBERS, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY IS DOING VERY COST EFFECTIVE JOB OF, OF MANAGING IT.
UM, I IF MONOPOLY ALWAYS TROUBLES PEOPLE, BUT IF YOU'RE GETTING THE BEST PRICE, WHO CARES IF IT'S A MONOPOLY? YEAH.
WELL, I, I GET, WELL, YOU JUST HAVE THOSE THAT ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE, THEY COULD GET IT CHEAPER.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE CAN COME INTO THE TAKING THE OTHER PIECE OF IT AND SEEING IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF, AND FASTER, A SCALE SCALE IN THERE AND, UH, ON VOLUME AND, UH, AND STUFF.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE.
WE'LL LOOK AT THAT, UH, VOLUME USER DISCOUNT, UH, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, WE'LL TRY TO GET SOME BETTER DATA ON THE, ON THE ROLL OFFS, AND WE'LL ALSO SEE IF WE CAN BRUSH UP ON THE ROLL OFF FEE SURVEY CAN BRING THAT TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING.
[3. Award a Contract to Vortex Companies (Buy Board Contract 731-24) for Bid Number 2010264-5B for the Shy Pond Drainage Pipe Repair Project for $1,578,672.64 with a not-to-exceed amount of $1,800,000 as budgeted. – Sal Aguirre]
ITEM THREE WATER CONTRACT, UH, WITH, UH, VORTEX COMPANIES, UH, FOR BID NUMBER 2 0 1 0 2 6 4 DASH FIVE B FOR THEON DRAINAGE PIPE REPAIR PROJECT FOR $1,578,672 AND 64 CENTS, UH, WITH A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $1.8 MILLION AS BUDGETED.SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA GET DONE BEFORE I LEAVE
UH, 1943, WE WERE STILL, UH, WE WERE STILL, UH, BACK, UH, LANDFILLING CARS RIGHT HERE AT
YEAH, THAT'S WHAT
UH, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN LANGUISHING OUT THERE WITHOUT, UH, ANY RESOLUTION, PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE COST, UH, INVOLVED AND THE, UH, BUDGETING THAT, UH, WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST THAT, UH, THANKS TO MODESTO, UH, HE HAS GRADUALLY INCREASED THAT BUDGET, UH, TRY KNOW, UH, FULLY KNOWING THAT THERE'S A COSTING THE COSTS WERE ESCALATING IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS.
UH, WE MADE TWO ATTEMPTS, UH, ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, BIDDING IT OUT.
AND BOTH OF 'EM WERE MET WITH, FIRST OF ALL, FIGURES THAT WE CAN MEET WITH OUR BUDGET.
UH, ULTIMATELY, UH, WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE RESEARCHING ANY AND ANY TYPE OF, UH, METHODOLOGY OUT THERE.
AND WE FINALLY CAME UP WITH THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM THAT IS A, UH, SPINNING TYPE OF SPRAY APPLICATION, UH, UH, ON THE, UH, ON THE CONDUCT THEMSELVES.
UH, WE WERE A LITTLE BIT HESITANT, BUT WE DID THE INVESTIGATION THAT WE NEEDED TO.
AND ULTIMATELY TWO THINGS, UH, WERE IN FAVOR OF, UH, USE OF THIS PARTICULAR METHOD.
ONE WAS THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A COMPANY THAT WAS UNDER THE BUYBOARD.
AND ANOTHER ONE IS THAT THE ALASKA DRAINAGE DISTRICT HAD USED THIS SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY IN ONE OF OUR PROJECTS DOWN AT THE ROSS SWITCH DITCH.
UH, BOTH WERE HAVING SUCCESSFUL, THEY ARE STILL THERE.
UH, SO WE FELT A LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE IN GOING THIS PARTICULAR ROUTE, ESPECIALLY SINCE IT WAS ALREADY A, UH, UNDER THE BUYBOARD THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO EXPEND MORE TIME GOING THROUGH ACTUAL ENGINEERING DESIGN TYPE OF DEALS THAT USUALLY ADD TO THAT COST.
UH, SO, UH, FINALLY AFTER SO MANY DISCUSSIONS, WE EVEN HAD ANOTHER ENGINEER, UH, COME DOWN HERE TO, UH, ASSESS THE PIPING CONDITION.
UH, AND, AND, UH, THEY RAN A, UH, THEY RAN TESTING.
THEY RAN, UH, THEY RAN, UH, LASER TESTING INSIDE THE PIPE.
THEY WERE TRYING TO DETERMINE THE ALITY OR HOW MUCH IT HAD MISSHAPEN OFF OF ROUND.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY REALLY DIDN'T GIVE US ANY GOOD, UH, UH, A GOOD, UH, DIRECTION TO GO WITH, UH, OF WHICH METHOD, METHODOLOGY
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TO USE, SIR.SO WE FINALLY, UH, WENT BACK TO THESE PEOPLE.
HE GAVE US A PRICE, IT WAS INVITING.
SO WE FINALLY HAD THE FUND, THE FUNDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR AMOUNT.
AND SO WE DECIDED TO GO AND, AND BUY IT.
WE'RE, SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS, BUT AT LEAST THE ENGINEERING FIRM, WHEN THEY DID THE, WHEN THEY, I WOULD SAY, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, SCOPED OUT THE PIPE, IS THAT THIS, THIS PROCESS CAN WORK ON IT.
THERE IS AN AREA THERE, IT'S ABOUT A 50 FOOT SECTION THERE THAT IS GONNA, IT IS GONNA HAVE TO BE OPEN CUT SO THEY CAN MAKE A POINT REPAIR ON THE PIPE TO A MORE, UH, CIRCULAR SI, UH, SHAPE.
AND, UH, SO THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS BECAUSE OF THE, OF THAT PARTICULAR LIDAR UH, UH, LASER, UH, MEASUREMENT THAT THEY TOOK IN THERE.
SO THEREFORE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THAT LOATION IS.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS STILL DID NOT KNOWN IS THE WALL ITSELF SEEMS TO BE GETTING REAL CLOSE TO THAT LOCATION, UH, THE, UH, SOUND ABATEMENT WALL THERE THAT'S ON THE HIGHWAY.
BUT, UH, EVEN WITH THAT, THEY REALIZE THAT THEY, THEY CAN PROBABLY WORK IT IN SOMEHOW.
THE, UH, UH, THE ESTIMATE IS LIKE, UH, I MEAN, THE PROPOSAL IS 1.6.
THERE IS NO ENOUGH, UH, HOW DEEP IS THAT PIPELINE? UH, IT RANGE, IT RANGES FROM 13 FOOT AT THE WALL WHERE IT COMES OUT OF, UH, SHARP POND, UH, OUTFALL.
AND IT GOES FROM 900 FOOT TO ABOUT ELEVATION 21.
I MEAN THAT FROM NATURAL GROUND.
SO THAT GOES FROM CHOP POND TO OYSTER CREEK.
IT GOES FROM SA POND TO OYSTER CREEK.
AND THAT'S THE OLD FLOOR THAT'S IN THE SHOP POND AREA? CORRECT.
AND THEY DUMPS THAT WATER INTO THE CREEK AND THEN THE CREEK DUMPS IT INTO THE CORRECT.
AND IT'S TWO PIPES RUNNING PARALLEL.
THERE'S, THERE'S A DOUBLE 60 INCH, UH, METAL PIPE THAT ARE THERE THAT WERE PUT IN BY VELA DRAINAGE DISTRICT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO IN 79.
WELL, A LITTLE BIT BEFORE I GOT HERE.
SO IT'S IN THE 70, 70 TO 79 RANGE.
SO THEY PUT IT IN, WE JUST INHERITED
WELL, IT WAS, IT WAS DONE UNDER THE INDIAN OF THE LOCAL AT THAT TIME.
THEY ALSO IN THE LOCALS THERE, AND THE CITY ASKED THEM FOR THAT.
ONE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH DIGGING DOWN IS WHAT THIS WAS ASKING ABOUT THE DEPTH IS, IS BECAUSE YOU'RE AGAINST, YOU'RE UP AGAINST THE WALL.
SO THE DEEPER YOU GO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SLOPE IT TO MAKE IT SAFE.
AND YOU, IF YOU CAN'T DO THAT, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT STEEL BRACING IN IT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND THE WORST THING IS, THE ANECDOTES THAT WE HEARD BACK IN THOSE DAYS FROM VDD, UH, PERSONNEL WAS THAT THEY WERE UP TO THEIR NECKS IN, UH, IN QUICKSAND WHEN THEY WERE INSTALLING THAT.
SO THAT WAS THE PIPE PUT IN BEFORE THE WALL? YES, THE BEFORE THE WALL.
IT WAS BEFORE THE HIGHWAY GOT IN.
BEFORE THE HIGHWAY AND EVERYTHING.
THEY CAME IN THE NINETIES, I THINK.
SO THEREFORE, THAT'S WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS, UH, IS.
AND WE ASKING FOR A, SO WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND ON IT? WHAT'S THE TURNAROUND? UH, IT, IT'S A SHORT, IT'S A SHORT, IT'S UH, THERE'S A SHORT WINDOW PROBABLY ABOUT, I'M GONNA SAY ABOUT, UH, SIX WEEKS.
SO THEY HAVE TO GO IN AND CLEAN THAT 60 FOOT FEET.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO CLEAN THAT.
THEY'VE GONNA VACUUM AND CLEAN THAT STUFF.
THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR, UH, THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR POINT REPAIR.
AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA DO THIS, UH, THIS
SO ALL, ALL, WE CAN FINISH THE PROJECT IN SIX YEARS.
SO AFTER THAT, THE DUCKS WON'T HAVE NO MORE STANDING WATER, HUH? UH, NO.
THE WATER IS GONNA BE THERE FOR, WELL, AFTER, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ALL THE WAY UP TO THE ROAD.
SOMETIMES WE'RE HAVE SINKS ANYMORE, SINKS ALONG THE HIGHWAY THERE, WHICH, UH, ARE POTENTIAL BONDS LOCATED.
BUT THEY ARE START, UH, ANTICIPATED START TAPE.
UM, WE, WE ALSO HAVE TO NOTIFY A TEXT ON REASON.
WE'RE SENDING IN OUR NOTICES FOR TEXT ON ABOUT OUR WORK AREA.
OH, THEY'LL GIVE US A RESPONSE IN ABOUT TWO YEARS.
I THINK WE HAD A GOOD, THEY'RE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY.
WE'RE JUST ASKING THEIR PERMISSION TO, WE HAVE A MAYOR THAT CONTRACT.
ANYTHING, MAYOR, ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? NO.
AND NOW I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON AWARD THE CONTRACT.
I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AWARD CONTRACT TO VORTEX COMPANIES BY BOARD CONTRACT 7 31 DASH 24
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FOR BID NUMBER 2 0 1 0 2 6 4 DASH FIVE B FOR THE SHY POND DRAINAGE PIPE REPAIR PROJECT FOR $1,578,672 AND 64 CENTS WITHIN NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 1.8 MILLION AS BUDGETED.ALRIGHT, A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN SETH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[4. Approve the submittal of a request to the Lake Jackson Development Corporation to review and approve the following project list through the half-cent sales tax CIP fund for FY 25-26.]
I'M FOUR.APPROVE, UH, THE SUBMITTAL FOR REQUEST TO THE LAKE JACKSON DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING PROJECT LIST THROUGH THE HALF-CENT SALES, TAX, PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITY REPAIR RECURRING, UH, IT'S A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.
PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, $125,000, UH, RECREATION CENTER, LOCKER ROOM, UH, RENOVATIONS, $750,000 INCREASED GENERATOR GRANT MATCHED BY $350,000 IN AUDITORIUM REPAIRS AND RENOVATIONS.
$350,000 CIVIC CENTER, UH, MISCELLANEOUS REPAIRS, UH, 35,000 WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE REPAIRS AND RENOVATION, 195,000 FOR A TOTAL OF UN $1,905,000.
ANY DISCUSSION? UH, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS? I CAN, YES.
LIKE ME TO GO THROUGH THIS AND SHE DID THIS.
UM, I DID THIS GREAT PRESENTATION FOR ME.
I'M GONNA LOOK GOOD DOING THIS.
SO, UM, AN AUDITORIUM LOOKS NICE.
YEAH, THAT'S A PRETTY PICTURE.
YEAH, THAT'S, I DON'T SAY HOW OLD.
IT'S, IT'S A BACK IN THE DAYS.
BUT YEAH, IT DOES LOOK, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GET BY THAT WOODEN ROOF.
IT'S A GREAT THING THAT THEY PUT WITH THAT ONE.
UM, SO YES, WE ARE COMING TO YOU, UM, THIS YEAR FOR SOME OF, UH, OUR CIP PLAN.
AND SO TO KIND OF GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE AND GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE USING SOME OF THE FUNDS FOR.
SO THE PARK RECREATION FACILITY, MAINTENANCE REPAIRS, I'M SURE Y'ALL SAW ON FACEBOOK, ALL THE VANDALISM AND THINGS WE'VE HAD.
I CAN TELL YOU PROBABLY JUST SHARED SO FAR, WE'RE ABOUT 30,000 IN AND THAT'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'VE REALLY HIT OUR RESTROOMS. YEAH.
UM, AND WE ARE DOING PD IS DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO CATCH SOMEONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS KIND OF HIGH BECAUSE USUALLY I WOULD SAY WE'RE IN THE 10 TO $15,000 RANGE A YEAR FOR VANDALISM.
AND THIS YEAR IT'S DOUBLE, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REPAIR PARTITIONS IN THE BATHROOMS THIS YEAR, NOT SO MUCH ANYMORE.
ANOTHER ONE OF THE MAIN PROJECTS THAT I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ON, AND I KNOW THAT, MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT THIS TO MY ATTENTION, UM, THOSE BENCHES ARE NOT REPAIRABLE MODEST, THAT THOSE BENCHES AREN'T REPAIR ON OAK DRIVE.
THOSE TWO BENCHES ON OAK DRIVE.
SO I HAVE GOTTEN A QUOTE TO REMOVE THEM, BUT WHEN YOU REMOVE THEM, WE ALSO HAVE TO CUT THE BURN DOWN.
AND IT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15,000 TO TAKE THAT OUT.
UM, IF YOU WANT ME TO PUT 'EM BACK IN, THAT'S A LOT MORE MY, MY GUIDANCE TO, YOU KNOW, UNLESS COUNSEL, YOU KNOW, IS OTHERWISE MY GUIDANCE TO ROBIN IS I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY USE THEM.
THEY LOOK NICE, BUT IT'S HARD TO COME BACK WITH A 30 OR $50,000 PROJECT, UM, OF REDO IT COMPLETELY THAT NOBODY USES.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A CONCRETE PAD OR IS THAT PAVER UNDERNEATH? THERE'S PAVERS IN THE FRONT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHICH WE COULD, CAN MEAN, COULD WE STILL JUST USE IT FOR A REGULAR JUST GREEN PARK BENCH? WE COULD, I WOULD STILL HAVE TO CUT THE BERM DOWN.
BUT CUT THE BERM DOWN AND THEN WE COULD KIND OF KEEP A BENCH THERE AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I NEED TO TALK TO THEM TOO.
'CAUSE ESPECIALLY LIKE TO SEE HOW BARBED DOWN, I WOULD HAVE TO CUT THAT BERM TO STILL LOOK NICE.
'CAUSE THERE'S SOME TREES THERE.
SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D HAVE TO WORK ON, UM, WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO PUT, UM, CONCRETE OR SOMETHING TO HOLD IT UP, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT FROM WASHING OUT.
SO THAT MAY BE, THAT MAY BE A GOOD COMPROMISE OF SEE HOW, SEE HOW WE CAN KEEP THE BENCH THERE AND GET RID OF THE, THE WALLS.
AND WE HAD LOOKED AT MAYBE DOING TWO, MAYBE LIKE SAY TWO CINDER BLOCKS UP, MAYBE TWO, NOT EVEN TWO FOOT THREE, BUT SOMETHING LIKE, JUST TO KIND OF MAINTAIN THAT WALL A LITTLE BIT OF ROLL THIS, THIS WAS JUST A QUICK THING.
I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD DO.
WELL, I'D HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, GET WITH THEM AND YEAH, I GUESS IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE GONNA DO ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IS, IS JUST DON'T CREATE A MAINTENANCE NIGHTMARE.
AND WHEN TALKING WITH EDDIE, YOU CAN SEE, IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS PICTURE.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S PULLING APART AND SO THAT FIRM IS PUSHING IT IN.
UM, THE, THE STAINED GLASS CUP IS COMPLETELY ROTTED.
LIKE I DON'T EVEN WANT TO TOUCH IT.
I KIND OF LIKE PUT SOMETHING TO KEEP IT.
AGAIN, JUST AGAIN, THIS IS A DIFFERENT APPROACH.
NORMALLY WE HAVE BEEN BRINGING PROJECTS TO YOU, UH, AND ROBIN AND I TALKED, IS IT JUST THE COST OF MAINTAINING A LOT OF THE PARK STUFF IS JUST REALLY
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RIGHT.EXPENSIVE AND WE HAVE A LIMITED BUDGET OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND IT WAS RAISE THE TAX RATE
AND SO IT WAS, LET'S PUT A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO SUPPLEMENT.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN THE GENERAL FUND.
30,000 MAYBE FOR, FOR REPAIR MAINTENANCE.
AND SO THIS WOULD SUPPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE THERE? THERE'S TWO OF THOSE.
BUT AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE FUNDS, IT WOULD HELP WITH, UM, SOME OTHER THINGS TOO.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME REPAIRS, THINGS THAT WE'VE NEEDED TO DO.
PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE IS A BIG DEAL WITH US.
YOU KNOW, BEING JUST OVER THE REC CENTER, THAT'S SOMETHING OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT'S ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO, TO KIND OF TAKE CARE OF.
'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO FOR SAFETY.
BUT SOMETIMES THE PARKS HAS BEEN LACKING.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER PICTURE HERE, THIS IS JUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAPPEN.
I MEAN, THIS IS THE DOG PARK AREA.
IF WE DON'T MAINTAIN THAT AND GET THAT FIXED, WE'RE GONNA HAVE MAJOR CONSTRUCTION.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE THING.
SO IT'S BEST LIKE THE SOCCER PAVILIONS, THE, YOU KNOW, JUST LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.
AND THEY'RE NOT HIGH PRICE THINGS, BUT EVEN 20,000 IS MORE THAN OUR BUDGET CAN HANDLE.
I MEAN, SOME, SOME DOWN THE ROAD WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO A MAJOR REWORK OF MCLEAN PARK.
AND THAT'S, WELL, I'LL GET TO THAT NEXT, BUT THAT'S GONNA BE, THAT'S, SO THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO.
WE KNOW ALSO SOME OF THE THINGS WE UM, PULL HEATERS THAT LET EVERYBODY SAY A LITTLE PRAYER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOES OUT, COULD BE UP 12 TO 15,000.
YOU DON'T FIX THAT AND REPLACE THAT UNTIL YOU HAVE TO.
SO HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE 10,000, YOU SAID TO JUST DELETE THAT ALL TOGETHER? 10 TO 15? YEAH.
DIDN'T REALLY, YEAH, THAT WAS JUST KIND OF AN ESTIMATE I KIND OF PUT IN, I I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD REALLY BEAT 15.
UM, BUT YEAH, PER, PER BENCH OR TOTAL TOTAL IS WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.
TO GET IT ALL TAKEN OUT AND THEN COME BACK.
WELL THERE'S ALREADY A PARK BENCH THERE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO BUY A PARK BENCH.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF A PARK BENCH IS, IS REALLY NECESSARY.
I THINK, I THINK AT LEAST ONE REMAINING WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, JUST A BENCH WOULD BE NICE ON THAT WALL.
AND IT MAY BE NICE IN THE UH, SECTION.
THIS IS THE BENCH RIGHT OFF FROM HEV.
YOU KNOW, AND I THINK IT'S ALSO, ONCE WE GET INTO THAT, LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF IT DOES.
AND YOU KNOW, IF NOT, WE CAN, WE CAN.
I MEAN THEY WERE, THEY WERE PRETTY ONCE AND THEY, THEY'VE LIVED THEIR LIFE THIS TIME.
I STILL FEEL LIKE 'EM, BUT I AGREE, IT, IT, WE PICK UP MORE TRASH THERE THAN WE DO ANYTHING.
UM, SO THE NEXT ITEM THAT WE HAVE WOULD BE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK.
WE DID, UM, POSTPONE THIS UNTIL THIS YEAR BACK IN OUR MASTER PLAN.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS MCLEAN PARK.
MCLEAN PARK IS OUR BUSIEST PARK.
WE JUST, I KNOW THERE'S THINGS THAT WE STILL CAN DO TO THAT PARK.
IT JUST NEEDS SOME, UM, SOME GOOD IDEAS AND, YOU KNOW, GET THAT INPUT TOO FROM YEAH.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE PAVILION ITSELF IS, IS GONNA HAVE TO BE MAJOR REPAIR OR REPLACED.
AND UH, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT SOMETHING WE STILL NEED AND THE MASTER PLAN'S A REQUIRED ELEMENT FOR US TO APPLY FOR GRANTS FOR THE DEX SPARKS MODEL AND, AND YOU KNOW, YES IT IS.
AND I THINK THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS TO THAT.
I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT TOO, YOU KNOW, THE RESTROOMS, THEY DEFINITELY LINK SOME BIG UPGRADES.
THE FOOD SERVICES OUT, YOU KNOW, JUST BUT TO REDO EVERYTHING THAT PAVILION STRUCTURALLY IS NOT IN BAD SHAPE.
BUT IF, I THINK IF WE REDID SOME THINGS AND ADDED BIGGER BATHROOM, I MEAN WE COULD BRING IN MORE.
WE DO LOSE RENTALS RIGHT NOW TO OTHER PLACES.
BUT IT'S AN OLD BUILDING AND IT'S SMALL.
NOT ENOUGH BATHROOMS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TOO.
SO, BUT THAT'S THINGS, ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO BRING IN TOO IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PROGRAMMING IS TO BECOME A BIG THING.
WHEN THE REC CENTER WAS BUILT, THAT'S WHERE THE REVENUE.
BUT WE'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE IN OUR PROGRAMMING AND STUFF NOW THAT WE REALLY WANT THAT CAUSE RECOVERY.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY ASSETS THAT WE HAVE IN MCLEAN PARK THAT WAS DONE WITH LIKE GRANT MONEY OR FEDERAL MONEY AND STUFF LIKE THAT ARE THE ADULT FIELDS.
I BELIEVE THE TENNIS COURTS WERE, WEREN'T THEY IN THE PAVILION? THE ADULT FIELDS'S, THE PAVILION OF THE TENNIS COURTS AND THEN ALSO THE MONICA BROWN TRAIL.
ARE WE PAST THE TIMELINE WHERE WE CAN'T TOUCH ANYTHING ANYMORE? YES, MA'AM.
SO WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT TO WITH 'EM.
WE CAN, I THINK YOU STILL DO HAVE TO GO THROUGH 'CAUSE THEY DO INSPECT US STILL.
BUT I WAS INSPECTED A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF JUST LETTING THEM KNOW, LET KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON END OF LIFE AND YEAH.
SO YOU WANNA STAY ON THOSE GOOD TERMS WITH TEXAS AND WILDLIFE AND STUFF TOO, IN, IN THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN.
CAN WE LOOK INTO HAVING A, UH, A HANDICAP PARK, ESPECIALLY JUST FOR A HANDICAP THAT THAT IS, THAT IS ANOTHER THING.
UM, I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN REQUESTED AND I AM, I HAVE THE PLAN, I HAVE IT ALL, YOU KNOW, UM, I JUST NEED 1.3 MILLION.
AND, AND I'M ACTUALLY, WHEN WE WAS THAT CAMPAIGN AND THAT CAME UP A LOT THAT A LOT OF THE PARENTS DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE THAT.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO ROBIN, I'VE TALKED TO ROBIN BACK WHENEVER SENATOR THOMPSON, OUR REPRESENTATIVE THOMPSON GOT, UH, $750,000 FOR PEARLAND TO BUILD THEIRS.
AND THEN THEY EVENTUALLY ENDED UP BEING OVER A MILLION SOMETHING.
AND THEN NOW IT'S NAMED AFTER HIM.
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UH, I THINK ONE OF THE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IS, IS THAT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY SOUNDS GOOD TO HAVE A DEDICATED PART FOR HANDICAP INDIVIDUALS.BUT AT THE SAME TIME IS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE GONNA PUT IT, YOU KNOW, AND WHERE YOU PUT IT AT IS, IS, YOU KNOW, LIKE RIGHT NOW WE'RE, EVERY TIME WE'VE REVE REJUVENATED OUR PARKS, WE'VE TRIED TO PUT AN ELEMENT IN THERE THAT'S BEING ABLE FOR DISABLED KIDS AND STUFF WHERE WE CAN'T.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT IS THE REGULAR KIDS END UP TAKING OVER THAT PART AND THE, AND THE, THE KIDS THAT REALLY NEED IT IS NOT ABLE TO USE THAT.
AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE HAVING, THAT THE, THE PARENTS ARE COMING AND WHEN I WAS OUT ON THE ELECTION THERE, THAT WAS A ONE OF THE BIG QUESTIONS THAT WAS COMING UP THAT THEY HAVE THAT PROBLEM THAT YEAH, YES, THEY DO HAVE CERTAIN ONE ITEM OF OR TWO ITEMS, BUT IT'S OVERTAKEN BY THE REGULAR KIDS.
AND THEN THE, UH, I I HATE TO KEEP SAYING HANDICAP.
BUT YEAH, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS I'M ALSO SEEING IS WHAT I'M ALSO GONNA SAY IS THAT IS WHENEVER YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU PUT, YOU PUT THOSE ELEMENTS INTO ALL THE PARKS, IS THAT A KID WITH A DISABILITY CAN GO TO ANY PARK IN THE CITY WHERE IF YOU PUT ALL THOSE ELEMENTS JUST IN ONE LOCATION, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY CAN GO.
BUT THAT'S WHAT THE PARENTS ARE ASKING FOR AND STUFF, SO RIGHT.
THAT THEY'RE TAKING THEIR KIDS TO THAT.
SO EVERY, EVERY PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAVE PUT IN, SO HERE'S THE THING THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT TO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DISABILITIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
EVERY PART THAT WE HAVE PUT IN IS AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND.
SO THERE'S 1% OF THOSE WITH DISABILITIES OR THOSE THAT ARE, HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A SMALLER THING, BUT THERE'S SO MANY THAT CHILDREN THAT ALSO HAVE THE AUTISM AND DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE THEY NEED, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S THE TOUCH, THE FEEL, THE NOISE, AND YOU KNOW, PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO FOR THE QUIET AND GETAWAY.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE OTHER SWINGS.
SO WE'VE DEFINITELY TRIED TO PUT THAT IN THE PORT IN PLACES AND OTHER THINGS FOR, FOR THEIR, YOU KNOW, PARENTS AND KIDS TO GET AROUND.
UM, THE ONE THING AN ALL INCLUSIVE WHERE YOU WOULD ACTUALLY PUT RAMPS AND DIFFERENT THINGS SO THAT ANY SOMEBODY WITH ANY KIND OF DISABILITY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE YOU.
YOU REALLY, AGAIN, THEY'RE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, RIGHT NOW, THE PRICE TAG THAT I HAVE, I, I HAVE ONE THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND EVERYTHING IS 1.3.
BUT THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO THINK OF IS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT IT ANYWHERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SIDEWALKS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE, AND NOT A LOT OF OUR PARKS HAVE THAT.
SO DUNBAR WOULD ACTUALLY BE THE ONE IF WE REDID AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE IT FROM WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY AT.
AND MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME GRANTS SO WE CAN GET SOME, UM, WE CAN TRY THAT AGAIN.
I CAN MAYBE WE CAN TALK TO DOW OR WE CAN TALK TO BASF AND WE WILL BE TALKING.
UM, I HAVE, WE'RE GONNA TALK WITH, WITH CENTER POINT.
I'VE GOT A PROPOSAL TOGETHER THAT ACTUALLY CENTER IS A VIDEO AND I'D LOVE TO SHOW Y'ALL TOO, TO FINISH IT, UM, OF THE PIPE RUN THAT HAS BEEN DESIGNED.
AND THIS IS EVEN A TOWER WHERE IT'S GOT THE ROPES, BUT EVEN THOSE WITH THE MOBILITY ISSUES CAN GET UP INTO THAT.
YOU KNOW, AND IT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY LIKE IT TAKES YOU INSIDE.
YOU GET TO TAKE THE TOUR, LIKE YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE INSIDE.
BUT THE MAIN CONCERN WAS THE PARENTS SAYING THAT THE OTHER KIDS, THE, THAT.
WELL THE NORMAL KIDS WELL AND IS TAKEN OVER SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
IT'S TAKING OVER WHAT THE OTHER KIDS, BUT, AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT THEY, IT'S HARD TO GET THEM AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY CONFRONTATION OR ANYTHING.
I THINK THINK MOST KIDS TOO, I THINK IF YOU'RE ASKING AND YOU KNOW, AND THEY SEE THOSE THINGS AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ANY PARK YOU GO TO, I CAN'T JUST SAY YOU CAN'T GO TO THIS PARK UNLESS I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT I THINK, I MEAN, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF POCKET PARKS AND WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO THAT'S SOME PEOPLE LOOKING INTO, AND THAT IS, AND THE MASTER PLAN, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT'S GONNA BE NICE TO GET THE PUBLIC'S INPUT RIGHT.
BECAUSE THEN THAT'S GONNA HELP US MORE IF THERE ARE OTHER
THAT'LL BE, THAT'LL BE A KEY PART OF THE NEW MASTER PLAN IS THE PUBLIC INPUT.
ALRIGHT, SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, SO YES, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR A LITTLE WHILE TOO.
UM, THE NEXT THING IS THE LOCKER RENOVATIONS.
UM, WE DID, I DID UP THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THAT IS ANOTHER THING THAT THE REC CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE A DA SHOWERS IN THERE.
WE DON'T REALLY, AND ANOTHER BIG THING, AND I ASKED WHEN I WAS, I WAS AT A PARK SUMMIT TWO WEEKS AGO AND I WAS ASKING ALL THESE ARCHITECTS, HE SAID, WHY DO Y'ALL DESIGN LOCKER ROOMS AT REC CENTERS? LIKE IT'S A GYM DAYS, LIKE AT A SCHOOL, NO PRIVACY, PARENTS CAN'T TAKE THEIR KIDS.
AND NOWADAYS, YOU KNOW, EVEN, YOU KNOW, 10 YEAR OLDS, YOU MAY NOT WANT GOING INTO THE OTHER LOCKER ROOM WITHOUT THEM.
SO WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, DRESSING PLACES WHERE THEY CAN TAKE THEM, CHANGE THEIR KIDS AND HAVE PRIVACY SHOWERS WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY TAKE YOUR BELONGINGS AND STUFF.
SO, UM, BUT YEAH, THE, THE FORMAT SINKS ARE LIFTING.
SO YEAH, WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF, YEAH.
SOME OF THE NEW PLACES I'VE SEEN THAT WHAT THEY HAVE IS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE THE GENERAL AREA IN THE CHANGING ROOM.
AND THEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOWER AREA, THERE'S A
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WALLED OFF AREA THERE WHERE YOU CAN YEAH.TAKE OFF YOUR CLOTHES AND HANG THEM UP THERE AND THEN YOU GO STEP IN THE SHOWER.
SO IT'S ALMOST A PRIVATE SHOWER TYPE SETUP.
AND, AND THIS WOULD BE LIKE A, IT WOULD CUT DOWN THE NUMBER OF SHOWERS, BUT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE EACH PERSON HAS, YOU KNOW, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
IF, IF I DIDN'T HAVE THE CHASE WAY IN THE MIDDLE, I HAD A GREAT DESIGN THAT I SAW, BUT YOU GOTTA A DEAL WITH THAT.
UM, THEN THE NEXT THING WOULD BE THE AUDITORIUM.
SO SINCE WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO THE LOCKER ROOMS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
THE, THE PLASTER RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S 13 YEARS OLD.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOME OF THESE, WE MIGHT AS WELL DO IT AT THE SAME TIME.
UM, THE PLASTER ON THOSE POOLS USUALLY LAST ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 15 YEARS.
THE LAST TYPE OF PLASTER THEY PUT ON IS A 10 YEAR.
BUT BEING THAT YOU DON'T WALK SO MUCH ON A LAP POOL, IT DID LAST A LITTLE LONGER.
BUT WE WOULD GO BACK WITH THE PORTS THAT WE'VE USED ON THE OUTDOOR POOL AND THE OTHER POOL, WHICH WILL PROBABLY LAST US ABOUT 18 YEARS ON THAT.
BUT, UM, WE ALSO, IT'S THE DECK, THE POOL DECKING AND, I DON'T KNOW, DUST YOU MAY TELL ME ORAL, IF THAT WAS ORIGINAL.
SO WE RE DID REDO THAT LIKE IN 2009 OR DID WE JUST PAINT IT? 'CAUSE IT'S CRUMBLING NOW.
IT WAS CEMENT WHEN WE STARTED IT.
WITH, AND THEN THEY PUT THAT PAINT COATING ON IT.
AND IT'S REALLY CRUMBLING IN SO MANY SPOTS WHEN YOU'RE WALKING AROUND BAREFOOT.
SO IT'S REALLY HARD FOR US TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
AND THEN THE SMALL LITTLE SLIDE THERE, THE WHOLE BASE IS ALMOST COMPLETELY RESTED OUT.
IT'S VERY DANGEROUS GETTING THERE.
SO, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE KEEP IT BLOCKED OFF TO KEEP ANYBODY FROM GOING THERE.
AND WE HAVE TO VACUUM JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT MODESTO'S FACE IN THE, THAT HOLE IN THE MUSHROOM.
BUT, UH,
SO WE'RE HOPING WE CAN COINCIDE THOSE TWO PROJECTS, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT WE GET.
UM, THEN THE CIVIC CENTER, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER GONE INTO THE CIVIC CENTER.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE, THE ENTRANCE DOORS, THE, THE PAIRS.
ONLY ONE OF THOSE DOORS HAS THE A DA THING.
AND YES, IT'S WIDE ENOUGH, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD IF YOU'RE COMING IN, YOU KNOW, AND SO IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE BOTH DOORS OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO COME THROUGH.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS WHEN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, IT DOESN'T ALWAYS SHUT PROPERLY AND THAT CAUSES MORE MAINTENANCE ISSUES.
AND, UM, THEY'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES ON ONE OF THEIR DOORS.
SO, SO IS THIS THE MAIN DOOR OR ALL THE, THE MAIN DOORS WHEN YOU COME? THE FRONT.
SO THEY'LL MAKE IT TO WHERE BOTH DOOR WHEN YOU PUSH THE BUTTON, BOTH DOORS KIND OF LIKE YEAH.
THE SIDE DOOR IS NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE SIDE.
IT HAS A, WE WERE ASKED FOR THAT, BUT THE RAMP MM-HMM
DOES NOT MEET AADA A STANDARDS BECAUSE IT'S A LOADING TRUCK.
LOADING IT'S A LOADING RAMP FOR TRUCKS.
SO THE ONLY AADA A DA APPROVED ACCESS IS THROUGH THE FRONT DOORS, BUT THE PROPERTY YES.
AND THEN LASTLY, THIS WOULD BE FOR THE WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE.
AND REAL QUICK, I DO HAVE TO SAY, UH, I'LL BE SENDING YOU THE ARTICLE ONCE EVERYTHING IS READ.
THE GOLF COURSE WAS AWARDED, UM, THROUGH DALLAS MORNING NEWS AS THE NUMBER RANKED NUMBER ONE OUT OF TOP 25 COURSES IN TEXAS THAT COST 75 TO $124 TO PLAY.
SO WILDERNESS GOT FIRST OUT OF, WE BEAT MOODY GARDENS PRETTY GOOD.
UM, SO ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I THINK AFTER THE HURRICANE THIS YEAR IS REALLY SHOWED WE, WE NEED TO GET A DIESEL, UH, DEWATERING PUMP OUT THERE.
UM, IF WE WOULD'VE HAD THIS PUMP FOR ONE THING, WE WOULD'VE BEEN ABLE TO GET ALL OF THE WATER OFF THE COURSE BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO WAIT TILL WE HAD TOWER BACK.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE REPAIRS TO THE DOCKERS THAT WE HAVE AND THE 500 AND SOMETHING THOUSAND.
UM, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST SOMETHING THAT WE'VE PUT IN STRESS ON THAT THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS HOW, HOW WE'RE DEWATERING IT NOW.
IT, IT'S, THERE'S JUST, IT, THERE'S GONNA BE COST IN THAT.
SO, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING, BUT BEFORE WE CAN DO THAT, WE NEED TO GET AN ENGINEER IN TO HELP US DRAW OFF THE PLANS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO PUT THIS DIESEL PUMP IN.
SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING.
THIS YEAR IT'LL BE JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING, THE 35,000.
AND SO THE, UH, SO THAT WOULD BE JUST FOR THE, SO THE OTHER 195,000 DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE COST OF THE PUMP YET.
AND THAT PUMP CAN BE, SO THIS WAS THE THING WE WERE TOLD IN THE REGION, JUST GOING WITH THE, IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM THEY SAID 300 TO 700,000.
AND THEY CAN'T SAY IT WOULD BE THAT HIGH, BUT IT'S, THEY DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TO PUT THAT IN.
AND, AND YOUR THOUGHTS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A DIESEL PUMP IS IT'S GONNA BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE PUMP.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE GEARED INTO THE EXISTING PUMPS.
NO, IT WON'T, IT WILL NOT BE A SEPARATE SYSTEM.
AND THIS WILL, THIS AGAIN, AS I SAID, WHEN, SO THEY HAD TO WAIT TO GET IN TO START DEWATERING BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T EVEN GET IN THERE.
AND SO WATER SETS, WHICH CAUSED DAMAGE TO THE GREENS, UM, THAT WERE STILL, YOU KNOW, WE DO GET COMPLAINTS, YOU KNOW, THE BUNKERS, THE WATER SITTING
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IN THERE, THIS WILL TAKE THAT WATER OFF OF THAT FORCE BEFORE WE EVEN GET POWER BACK.AND WHEN WE DE, WHEN WE CALL DEWATERING IS WE'RE NOT PUMPING IT OUT OF THE PERIMETER OF THE COURSE, IT'S PUMPING IT INTO THE PONDS.
WE, THE GOLF COURSE IS A BOWL.
IT IS, BUT IT GOES TO THE LAKES AND THEN THE LAKES, UH, ARE GRAVITY FED.
WE CAN PUMP, WE'RE PUMPING THE LAKES INTO THE, INTO THE BIO.
AND LIKE THIS TIME AGAIN, NOW FLOODS IF YOUR'RE RIVER'S FLOODING, YOU CAN'T, THERE'S NOWHERE TO PUMP IT TO.
BUT YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAY, IT WAS IN A BOWL.
AND WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE SUPPLEMENTED IN THE YEARS PAST WITH LIKE A GATOR PUMP THAT CAN ONLY PUMP SO MUCH.
BUT THEN IT'S ALSO TRYING TO GET IT BACK THERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE STORM.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE YEAH, THAT WOULD BE, IT'S BETTER TO BE ABLE TO TURN IT ON REMOTELY.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S WITH ANY ASSET THAT YOU HAVE.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS, WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN, UM, THEY KEPT CALLING, I THINK IT GOT CALLED A MASTER PLAN.
AND HONESTLY WHAT IT IS, IS THAT WITH ANYTHING, AS IT GETS TO A CERTAIN AGE, YOU HAVE TO FIX STUFF.
I MEAN, YOU CAN SEE OBVIOUS SIGNS OF EROSION.
THOSE ARE SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET.
UH, YOU KNOW, JUST IF HONESTLY, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE GROUP OUT THERE THAT WE HAVE, I DON'T THINK THAT THE COURSE WOULD BE IN THE SHAPE THAT IT IS.
UM, BUT THERE IS, SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING IN AN ARCHITECT TO LOOK AT, INTO A COST ANALYSIS TO SAY, HEY, THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE.
'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL CAN SAY WHAT WE THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT IS THAT REALLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? YEAH, THAT HAS TO FIND, IT HAS TO BE, YEAH.
I MEAN WE, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EXACTLY THE COST WOULD BE OR ANY OF THAT.
AND WE CAN GUESS, BUT IT MAY NOT BE AS MUCH AS WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE COULD BE OTHER THINGS TO DO THAT.
SO, UM, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING, AND I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA WORK TOO CLOSELY WITH THE ARCHITECT TO DO THAT.
SO WE DID BUDGET 35,000 TO HAVE HIM COME IN AND LOOK AT THOSE KIND OF THINGS.
WELL, HOPEFULLY HE GIVE US A PRIORITIZED LIST OF THIS IS, AND THAT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA ASK REGARDLESS OF COST IS WHAT IS A PRIORITIZED LIST.
SO LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE DONE.
HOW CAN WE DO THIS THROUGHOUT TO DO THAT? THAT EXACTLY.
BASICALLY A IZED CIP LIST FOR THE RIGHT, BECAUSE I, I, YEAH.
I SAID I, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO GUESS AND NO, TRY TO THINK OF WHAT IT IS.
UM, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE PUT IN, AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS PUT ON HOLD, IS THE IRRIGATION CONTROL CABINET REPLACEMENT.
AND ONE OF THE REASONS TOO IS THE, THE MUCH PRESSURE THAT WE'RE DOING ON THAT IRRIGATION SYSTEM, AGAIN, THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET LAST YEAR, BUT IT WAS POSTPONE POSTPONE.
IT WAS POSTPONED BECAUSE WE, YEAH, THEY HAD GOT STRUCK BY LIGHTNING AND THEY HAD DONE SOME WORK.
SO THEY'RE LIKE, OKAY, WE CAN HOLD OFF.
LET'S HOLD OFF AND DO SOME OF THE OTHER REPAIRS.
AND, UM, BUT IT, IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
IT'S, IT'S, AND THEN LASTLY, THEY'RE WALK-IN COOLER.
UM, IT, IT, THEY HAVE BEEN, THEY'VE SPENT THOUSANDS OF YEAR RIGHT NOW ON REPAIRS.
IT'S, IT'S ON ITS LEFT LEG AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO DIE ON US.
AND THEN THE LAST MINUTE ADDITION WHERE ROBERT DOESN'T HAVE A SLIDE FOUR IS, I DON'T THINK SHE DOES.
UM, OH, RE IS THE, UH, GENERATOR THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER, THE REC, I'M SORRY, GRANT.
UH, GRANT MATCH, UH, YOU KNOW, OUR MATCHING SHARE HAS INCREASED BECAUSE OVER THE YEARS WHEN WE FIRST APPLIED, THEY, WE HAD A 75 25 SPLIT THAT THEY CAPPED IT
AND SO THE COST OF THE PROJECT HAS INCREASED AND SO THE PERCENTAGE HAS GONE DOWN.
UH, AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE UP THAT REMAINING, UH, DIFFERENCE.
AND SO THE BIGGEST GENERATOR OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE GENERATOR LIST IS THE REC CENTER.
WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF TO RUN, BUT AGAIN, AND HAVING, THAT'S GONNA BE AN ASSET JUST FOR STORMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE, FOR US, THE, THE BRICK CENTER GENERATOR AND THE ONLY OTHER CHANGE THAT WE HAVE TO THIS, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW UP AS A PROJECT.
UM, UM, ROBIN AND I ARE PROPOSING, UH, TO INCREASE THE, UM, THE, I I GUESS THE TRANSFER FROM THE ASSET TO 4 65 TO 500, UH, TO THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THAT 35,000 INCREASE RIGHT NOW WOULD, UH, HIT THE, UH, UH, THE ESTIMATED INCREASE FOR THE RECREATION CENTER FOR THE, FOR THE YEAR, IT WOULD COVER THAT COST.
SO THAT'S MOVING, THAT'S REMOVING TAX PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS WITH HALF CENT TAX.
THAT'S, WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT, I THINK IS INCREASING 32 ISH THOUSAND DOLLARS.
UH, AND SO RATHER THAN COVER THAT WITH PROPERTY TAX, WE'RE RECOMMENDING A 15 THOU A $35,000 INCREASE FROM THE ASSET OVER TO THE GENERAL.
SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE SUPPLEMENT NOW? WHAT DO WE IT WOULD GO TO 500,000 RIGHT NOW IT'S 4 65 6 5 THIS YEAR.
SO I THINK WE WILL KEEP ON WORKING THAT.
THAT'S JUST FOR THE REC CENTER, OR IS THAT FOR, LET'S SAY REC CENTER BUDGET? IT'S THE REC INCLUDES REC CENTER BUDGET.
WHICH INCLUDES ALL THE PARKS, UM, UTILITIES, BALL FIELD, SPORTS FIELDS.
THAT'S ALL IN THAT REC CENTER.
WELL, AGAIN, THE REASON WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS, IS BECAUSE, BECAUSE
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THE REC CENTER AND THE CIVIC CENTER WERE BOTH BUILT WITH HALF CENT DOLLARS MM-HMMAND SO YOU CAN USE HALF CENT DOLLARS TO YES.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE SUPPLEMENT THOSE TWO ASSETS WITH PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS.
AND I WOULD, MY, MY SUGGESTION IS, IS THAT COUNSELS WOULD GO FORWARD AT LOOKING AT MOVING THAT TO WHERE MORE OF THE HALF CENTS SUPPORTS THE FUNCTION AND OPERATION OF THOSE AND IT TAKES IT OFF THE TAX DOLLAR PROPERTY TAX DOLLAR.
SO WHAT WE, WHAT WE, BECAUSE WE CAN DO THAT.
AND WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS THE, THE REASON KIND OF WE'VE STAYED WITH THE 35, IT COVERED THE BROOK CENTER INCREASE, AND IT'S ALSO KIND OF HITS WITH WHAT WE SEE DECLINING IN DEBT.
AND SO IT STILL GIVES THE ABILITY FOR ROBIN, YOU KNOW, TO DO SOME PROJECTS, WELL, SOME DEBTS, UH, DECLINING.
PLUS WE'VE ALSO TAKEN OUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SUPPLEMENT IS A BIG ONE AS WELL.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD'VE NORMALLY COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WE WOULD'VE BEEN ASKING CAN WE INCREASE, UH, THE PARKS BUDGET TO 50,000 AND THIS WAY WE'VE SAID, LET'S JUST PUT IT, HERES A, UM, AND THEN WE'VE INCREASED DOWNTOWN MAINTENANCE, WHICH NORMALLY WOULD NOT COME OUT OF A HALF, SAY, WOULD COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
BUT WE DO ALL THE MOWING AND STUFF FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES OUT OF THIS FUND.
AND AGAIN, WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT I JUST MENTIONED IS, IS IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO OVERNIGHT.
START MIGRATING OVER THERE AS YOU CAN.
AND I THINK IT WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THOSE TAX, THOSE SALES TAX DOLLARS, THE HALF CENT IS RESTRICTED MM-HMM
AND WE, AS LONG AS WE WORK WITH THOSE RESTRICTIONS, WE CAN MOVE SOME PROPERTY TAX COST OFF THE GENERAL FUND SIDE RIGHT.
AND PUT IT WHERE IT BELONGS AND STUFF.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? SO YOU'RE GONNA WANT APPROVAL TO SUBMIT THIS? IS THAT WHAT WE NEED? YES.
IF YOU'RE APPROVAL, THEN WE'LL TAKE THIS TO THE HAVE SET BOARD AND THEN SET UP, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL TAKE MOTION TO, UH, DO JUST THAT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT.
MAYOR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION THANK YOU.
TO APPROVE THE SUBMITTAL OF THE REQUEST FOR LAKE JACKSON DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE FOLLOWING PROJECT LIST WHO THEY HAVE SENT SALES TAX CIP FUND FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, 26.
I HAVE A MOTION WITH COUNCILMAN SETH, LOOKING FOR A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND WITH COUNCILMAN BUELL.
AND AGAIN, AS IT CYCLES BACK, AND IT'LL COME BACK TO US AND WE CAN STILL MAKE DECISIONS ON DOLLAR SPENT, SO TWEET IT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU AFTER THEY HAVE THEIR PUBLIC HEARING, THEIR RECOMMENDATION, IT'LL COME TO YOU FOR A FINAL DECISION IN THE BUDGET.
UH, DO I HAVE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[5. Staff updates]
TO STAFF UPDATES.CITY MANAGER BOND SALES SCHEDULE IN YOUR PACKET.
UH, ATTACHED THE PROPOSED, UH, BOND SALES SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH, UH, IF, UH, RECALL IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH WHEN WE'RE TALKING, UH, BOND WAS HOW COULD WE QUICKLY IMPLEMENT, YOU KNOW, THE PROJECTS AND THAT ALL, UH, DEPENDING ON THE SALE OF THE BOND, WE HAVE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE ONE THAT I BELIEVE THAT WE'VE DONE IN QUITE SOME TIME.
USUALLY WE DO A FALL SALE AND WE GET THE MONEY IN DECEMBER.
THIS TIME WE'RE DOING IT FOR A SUMMER SALE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY IN AUGUST.
AND SO THAT'S PUT A, UM, UH, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON NOTICE, SO THEY KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR WORK CUT OUT.
'CAUSE THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FINISH THE 21, THE 21 BOND ISSUE.
AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE MONEY, UH, DELIVERED THERE.
SO WE'LL START THE RFQ PROCESS IF COUNCIL AGREES TO THIS.
UH, ALSO FOR SELECTING ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND, UH, GET THE BALL ROLLING.
BUT YEAH, WE WOULD ANTICIPATE WHEN YOU SEE THAT COMPETITIVE BIDS DUE IS JULY 21ST.
UH, THE CLOSING DELIVERY FUNDS IS AUGUST 19TH.
UH, SO IT'S, IT'S PRETTY QUICK.
THAT ALSO MEANS THAT THAT ANTICIPATED FOUR PERC, THAT 4 CENT INCREASE, WE'LL START OVER, WILL GO ON THIS, UH, THIS TAX RATE.
UH, AND SO, UH, UM, BUT THAT WAS THE WHOLE, THE MARCHING ORDERS I HEARD WAS, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND GET THESE PROJECTS DONE AND TRY NOT, AND, AND DON'T SPREAD IT OUT OVER THREE YEARS.
SO, UH, AGAIN, WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR, UH, BOND BUDDIES AND THEY
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COULD COME BACK AND SAY, THIS AIN'T A GOOD TIME.THEY COULD, UM, RIGHT NOW THE MARKET IS JAMES, HAVE YOU HEARD? UM, IT'S STILL SLIGHTLY UP, BUT IT'S STILL IN THE'S UNSTABLE, BUT YEAH.
REALLY WANTS US TO DO THIS BEFORE LEGISLATURE.
THAT'S WHY HE'S PUSHING FOR THAT MAKES SENSE.
NO TELLING WHAT THE LEGISLATURE GONNA GET TO US.
SO ANYBODY ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT NOW? THE, YEAH, THAT WAS THE KIND OF THE MARCHING ORDERS WE GOT FROM PEOPLE WAS LET'S GET THIS DONE.
AND WE'LL ALSO, UM, ARE, WE ALSO WILL DO THE SELL WITH THE 20 MILLION UTILITY, UM, FOR THE, UH, LIFT STATION ONE.
UH, EXCEPT THAT ON THE UTILITY SIDE.
SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE OUR SCHEDULE, WE'LL HAVE OUR RADIO AGENCIES CALL AND CALLS, UH, NEXT MONTH.
BUT YEAH, IT'LL BE THIS, UH, UH, THE GEO CELL AND ALSO THE REVENUE CELL AS WELL.
THAT HOOKED ME IN IF I'M OFF TOPIC.
BUT IN RELATION TO THE BONDS, THE MAYOR HAD BROUGHT THIS UP ONCE BEFORE ABOUT LIKE A BOND TRACKER THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SEE.
LAURA MARIE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHOW, UH, THE BOND TRACKER JUST $5
I'M GONNA LET OUR, OUR, OUR, SO IT'S NOT LIKE SUGAR LANDS THE FIRST THING.
UM, SO LAURA, MARIE AND ANNA HAVE WORKED ON, UH, A SAMPLE THAT THE MAYOR HAD HAD GIVEN US AS A STANDARD.
UM, AND WE DIDN'T DO THAT STANDARD.
SO WE DID SOMETHING CLOSE TO IT.
SO IF YOU GO TO TRANSPARENCY, LIKE HONEST DOING, YOU GO DOWN, YOU'LL SEE THE BOND SERIES PROGRESS.
UM, YOU CAN CLICK THE PAGE, UM, YOU HAVE AN IMAGE THERE, TELL EVERYBODY THAT THEY'RE AT THE RIGHT PAGE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE BOND SERIES FOR BOTH 2021 AND 2025 INTRODUCTORY CONTENT.
MOVE DOWN, THERE'S YOUR, UM, SALES CHARTS.
AND THIS IS THE AREA WHERE WE PUT THE LATEST AND GREATEST OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON.
AND YOU'LL SEE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE, UH, FILTERS ON TOP OF THESE IMAGES, BUT IF YOU CLICK ON THEM WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION, YOU'LL GO TO ANOTHER PAGE THAT TELLS YOU IN DEPTH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING, UM, ON A LOT OF THESE ROAD ONES.
AND SPECIFICALLY HOW MUCH WAS APPROVED FOR THE BOND AND HOW MUCH MONEY'S BEEN SPENT.
SO THERE, THERE'S A CHART FOR THAT.
AND SO IF YOU GO BACK UP, SHE'S GONNA GO BACK UP NOW.
AND WE DO HAVE, THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW.
SO THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE VIEW FOR THE 2021 BOND.
YOU CAN SEE YOU SCROLL DOWN AND THIS IS ANNA'S HAND.
SO WE DO THAT FOR 2021 AND WE DO THAT ALSO FOR 2025.
SO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE, THEY CAN DO THAT.
AND SOMEONE THAT JUST WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH MY ROAD, WE'LL CLICK ON THAT AND THEN WE'LL SEND THEM TO ENGINEERING IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
AND SO WE CAN SEND YOU A LINK, UH, TONIGHT.
SO, UH, AFTER THE MAJOR OR TOMORROW MORNING SO YOU CAN SEE IT YES.
AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU, IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE TOP ON, GO TO THE LINK.
JUST GO TO THE FRONT PAGE, GO HOME.
YEAH, THE HOME AT THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEBSITE.
SO YOU CAN TELL ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO TO TRANSPARENCY.
THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE FASTEST WAY, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPTION OF SCROLLING DOWN TO OUR COMMON SERVICES SECTION RIGHT HERE.
SO OUR NEXT STEP IS TO START FILLING IN THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL RIGHT PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE THE SUMMARY CHARTS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, PROJECTS OR ANYTHING.
BUT WE DO HAVE THIS, THE, I GUESS THE BOND, UH, WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE BOND PRO PROGRESS CHARTS.
WE DO, WE DO HAVE THOSE FILLED OUT.
IT'S NOT LIKE SUGAR LAND, BUT EH, IT'S CLEAN.
I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE OURSELVES INTO 14 PEOPLE.
THEY GOT A LITTLE MORE MONEY THAN WE DO.
YEAH, THE MAIN THING IS MAKING IT, UH, EASY FOR PEOPLE TO GET TO THE DATA AND, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN WHEN WE HAVE THIS UP AND RUNNING AND, AND EVERYTHING, EVEN THOUGH YOU WANNA, IF I GET A REQUEST, I'LL STILL GIVE THE PEOPLE THE INFORMATION, BUT THEN I'LL ALSO, I'LL POINT 'EM TO THIS AND TELL 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN GET IT FROM.
BECAUSE THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IN MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IS WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS YOU FOR INFORMATION IS JUST SEND 'EM A LINK AND SAY, YOU CAN LOOK IT UP HERE.
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IT'S LIKE, YOU DIDN'T REALLY HELP ME OUT.YOU KNOW, AT LEAST SHOW ME ONCE.
AND THEN, AND THEN, UH, TELL ME WHERE I CAN GO GET THE INFORMATION IN THE FUTURE.
SO, AND THE LAST THING TO REMIND YOU IS THAT, UM, ANA COULD GO DOWN TO THE END OF THAT CONTENT FOR THE INTRODUCTION PART UP A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVE A LINE IN THERE THAT TELLS THEM THAT, UM, THOSE PROJECTS IS NOT ONE MORE UP THERE.
RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO, UH, TRACK THE PROGRESS OF ANY PROJECT ALL IN.
AS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE, THE LINKS TO EACH PROJECT WILL BE OPEN FOR VIEWING.
SO JUST REMIND THEM THAT THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON IT.
THANK YOU FOR MOVING ON THAT REAL QUICK.
UH, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE ALL TRY TO, WE ALL TRY TO BE VERY GOOD STEWARDS OF THE DOLLARS WE ASK FROM THE TAXPAYERS.
AND THIS JUST HELPS SHOW AND ILLUSTRATE THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANY OTHER ACTION ITEMS THAT WE HAVE ON YOUR NOW? UH, WE'LL BRING BACK THE, UM, MAY 5TH MINUTES.
UH, THE NEXT TIME, UH, UH, FLESHED OUT.
AND THEN ALSO, UH, THE NEXT MEETING WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE DISCUSSION ON THE, UH, MORE DISCUSSION ON THE, UM, ROLL OFFS RIGHT.
I MAKE IT AS A AGENDA ITEM TO DISCUSS YES.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSTRUCTION.
[6. Construction/Development Updates]
ALL RIGHT.IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN ANSWER THEM.
WANNA, UM, YEAH, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, I'M SYCAMORE COMING ALONG.
THEY'RE ON NORTH STREET OAKS RIGHT NOW ON THAT STREET.
AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA MOVE OVER TO FOREST OAKS NEXT.
THE SHADY OAKS OVER WHERE CROSSOVER PLANTATION LOOKS REALLY NICE.
WE HAVE TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO GET TIE IN.
AND IS EVERYBODY HAPPY SO FAR? OR? WE'VE HAD A FEW CALLS, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HANDLE 'EM.
UM, EDDIE'S BEEN OUT THERE WORKING WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GET THE CUSTOMER.
IT'S ONE THING FOR, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY REALIZES IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND THEN YOU REALIZE IT TAKES A LONG TIME.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A HURRICANE DURING THE MIDDLE.
YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, IT'LL BE, YOU'LL HAVE A PRETTY STREET IN THE FRONT YARD MM-HMM
WELL THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK.
[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]
INTEREST.UH, WE'LL TALK, WE'LL START ON, UH, UH, MR. BAKER'S SITE.
NO, UH, I JUST GOT ONE QUESTION FOR DAVID.
UH, OLD BUFFALO WILD WING IS FENCED OFF OVER THERE? YES SIR.
UH, THEY GOT SOMETHING COMING IN THERE.
PNC BANK IS MOVING THAT LOCATION.
THEY ARE, IT USED TO BE COMPASS.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN THE OLD BANK BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
THEY'RE RIGHT IN UH, THEY'RE IN THE OLD BUILDING RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CAR WASH.
YES, WE LEAVE WITH DRIVE THROUGH.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO NEW COUNCIL MEMBER.
DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMUNITY ITEMS OF INTEREST? NO.
MR. ELL? YEAH, I HAVE ONE THING.
I GOT A COUPLE CALLS THIS MORNING ON SOME TRAFFIC ISSUES AND I CALLED OUR EXCELLENT CITY MANAGER WITHIN TWO HOURS.
WE JUST HAD TO SHOOT OUT SOME TIRES.
BUT ANYWAY, THE PROBLEM WAS SOLVED WITH IT ONE BULLET TIME AND THEY APPRECIATE IT.
UM, UH, REAL QUICK, UH, I MEAN I'VE BEEN SENDING A LOT OF NOTES TO STAFF ABOUT, UH, I'M GETTING, STARTING TO GET CALLS ABOUT, UH, FROM PEOPLE ABOUT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR DRAINAGE DITCHES IN THEIR AREA AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND SAYING THAT IT HASN'T BEEN MOWED IN YEARS AND, AND STUFF.
AND, UM, STAFF'S BEEN MOVING ON THOSE REAL QUICK.
UM, UM, I MEAN WE'VE WE'RE THERE, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN VERY IMPRESSED AFTER WE'VE CALLED THEM ABOUT HOW QUICK WE'VE RESPONDED, SO APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY CALL IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHAT WE END UP HAVING IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THE SLOPE PAVEMENT,
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WE, UH, UH, IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, EACH PANEL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CATTAILS GROW UP IN BETWEEN THERE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.AND SO, UH, THERE'S ONE DITCH THAT WAS PRETTY BAD SHAPE.
AND, UH, AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS, I WAS IN A MEETING YESTERDAY, UH, AND THEY WERE JUST COMPLIMENTING HOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAD PEOPLE DOWN THERE AND, UH, A LOT OF EQUIPMENT AND, UH, THEY DUG IT ALL UP AND CLEANED UP AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.
THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO ASK ON THAT IS, IS ON THOSE PANELS, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE, THE DITCH BY MY HOUSE.
IS THAT, I MEAN, CAN WE DO THE SAME TYPE OF CEILING IN BETWEEN THOSE PANELS LIKE WE DO ON STREET WITH THE, THE POLY RUBBER STUFF INSTEAD OF, I'M GUESSING IT'S JUST A, WAS A BOARD THERE AT ONE TIME? IT IS, YEAH.
ALL THOSE PANELS, THERE IS AN SPECIAL BOARD THAT PLACED IN THERE.
HAS QUITE A ROTTEN, UH, BECAUSE WHATEVER MATERIAL YOU PUT IN IS GONNA, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE JUST CLEAN IT OUT, LIKE WE DO THE STREETS AND PUT THE, YOU KNOW, THAT HOT PLASTIC STUFF IN THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE MIGHT WANNA TRY WITH ONE DITCH AND SEE WHAT KIND OF SUCCESS WE HAVE WITH IT ON VOLUNTEER THE BANYAN DITCH OR THE HUCKLEBERRY.
SO, UH, BUT ANYWAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXAMPLES, BUT YEAH, JUST PICK, YEAH, I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING TO TRY, BUT JUST TO SEE IF IT WORKS.
UM, EVERY TIME I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE, AND I'LL BE TALKING TO ANOTHER GROUP ON, UH, THURSDAY MORNING IS, UH, I'M GOING, I'M STILL, I'M OUT THERE TELLING PEOPLE AS IS, UH, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THE FIREWORKS THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUDGETING FOR 'EM NEXT YEAR, NOT GETTING A GREAT RESPONSE AND STUFF.
I'M JUST ASKING YOU GUYS TO PUT A FEELER OUT THERE.
AND, UH, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO US ASKING US NOT TO DO 'EM FIREWORKS BECAUSE OF ALL THE P 'CAUSE OF PTSD, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, VERY CRITICAL ISSUE AND STUFF, AND ABOUT THE ANIMALS AND STUFF.
BUT THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, I GET THE OTHER OTHER SIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, EVEN MY WIFE HAS MENTIONED TO RHONDA, YOU KNOW, THAT, UH, SHE DIDN'T MENTION TO ME, BUT SHE MENTIONED TO RHONDA WHENEVER RHONDA SNUCK UP ON HER AT A GAS PUMP, SCARED HER TO DEATH.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, THAT, BUT I'VE HEARD IT FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE AGAIN.
I WAS IN A MEETING LAST WEEK, I MEAN THIS, UH, SUNDAY, UH, WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE AND, UH, THEY CAME UP TO ME AND THEY SAID, THEY ASKED US, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE FIREWORKS THIS YEAR.
I SAID, YEAH, BUT WE'RE NOT HAVING THEM NEXT YEAR.
WE'RE NOT BUDGETING RIGHT NOW.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT BUDGETING FOR 'EM.
AND, UH, ANYWAY, THAT THEY, IT'S JUST NOT, ANYWAY, JUST GET A FEELER FOR IT.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AS WE GO THROUGH BUDGET AND STUFF.
UM, AND UH, ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT.
I GUESS I'LL SHUT UP ANYTHING FROM MODESTO.
HE'S LOOKING AT ME LIKE YOU NEVER SHUT UP, SO NO, I WAS JUST, UH, BUT IF YOU DO MAKE A CHANGE ON THE FIREWORKS, LET ME KNOW.
UH, UM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I HAVE INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET SAVINGS, SO IT'S THERE AND THE OTHER ITEMS IDENTIFIED.
AND THE OTHER OPTION IS, IS YOU DO, LIKE I DID LAST YEAR AND GO BEAT THE BUSHES AND GET PEOPLE TO, UH, CORPORATE SPONSORS.
AND WE DID HAVE AN OFFER THIS YEAR, UH, FROM LAST YEAR'S SPONSOR, BUT, UH, I DECLINED WHO, UH, WHAT WAS MY COMMUNITY, ALL THAT WORK.
THEY SAID IT WAS OUR LAST YEAR THEY HAD ANOTHER FUNDRAISING EVENT.
UH, I SAID, YOU KNOW, KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP YOUR DONATION FOR THEIR FUNDRAISING EVENT, UH, AND STUFF.
SO, UM, I DID, UH, SO THERE POTENTIALLY, IF WE WANTED TO IN THE FUTURE, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, SOME DONATIONS.
UH, LAST YEAR WE RECEIVED I THINK 10,000, 5,000 FROM CENTERPOINT AND 5,000 FROM MIKE? NO, IT WAS 20 TOTAL.
WAS IT 20 TOTAL? WAS IT 10 AND 10? IT WAS 10 AND 10.
JUST CENTERPOINT SPLIT IT OVER TWO YEARS.
HOW SOON DO YOU HAVE TO BOOK THOSE? WE, WE HAVE TO BOOK IT, UM, USUALLY ABOUT A YEAR IN ADVANCE.
SO LIKE, SO NOW YOU THINK WE NEED, IF WE'RE GONNA DO DONATIONS, HONESTLY THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO REALLY START WORKING ON JULY THE FIFTH OF THIS YEAR.
AND UM, THAT'S, I, YEAH, WE WOULD HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR DEPARTMENT COULD POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO SOME OF THAT, BUT I THINK WE COULD, WE WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO SPONSORSHIP PACKAGE DIFFERENT STUFF.
YEAH, IT WAS, IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE WHERE I WOULD STILL ENCOURAGE COUNSEL IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE THAT.
30,000 AND THEN IF YOU GET DONATIONS, YOU GET DONATIONS, BUT YOU COULDN'T COUNT ON THEM.
ONE ORGANIZATION HAS ALREADY SEEN THAT, SO IN THE AREA, SO CAN'T COUNT ON FUNDING, ON DONATIONS.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE, I GUESS.