* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] [00:00:06] ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU MA'AM. HOW MANY YEARS ARE YOU TODAY? HOW OLD ARE YOU? NINE. NINE. NEXT [2. RE-ORGANIZE THE BOARD] ITEM IS REORGANIZE THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? I MOVE THAT LIKE SANDERS SERVE AS CHAIRMAN. SECOND. WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A? AYE. DOES LOX SANDERS WANNA BE ? ALRIGHT. WHOSE TURN TO DO WHAT AS FAR AS OTHER POSITIONS? A, YOU'VE BEEN SECRETARY, IS THAT RIGHT? MM-HMM . SO, UH, I TOOK IT FROM THE OTHER. YEAH, I HAD SECRETARY FOR HIM. THIS ELIZABETH. WE NEED SECRETARY. BEFORE I WAS SECRETARY I HAD VICE OR WHATEVER IT WAS AT ONE POINT BEFORE VICE SWAP UP HAPPENED. WE NEED SECRETARY AND VICE CHAIR. THANK YOU. LOVE YOU. I'M COVERED FOR A COUPLE MORE COVERED. HARRY, WOULD YOU BE VICE CHAIR? UH, YES. THANK YOU. JEFF, WOULD YOU BE SECRETARY? SURE. WE'LL HAVE TO ACCEPT LEFT-HANDED SIGNATURES ALL THE TIME. , THAT'S A LEFT-HANDED COMMENT. . I I WAS JUST A LITTLE LATE. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. [3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ] UH, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? YES. YES. ANY EROTA OR ANYTHING? NOT FOR THAT ALL. NO. ALRIGHT. MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN. YES. VISITOR'S [4. VISITOR COMMENTS ] COMMENTS? ANYBODY'S GOT ANYTHING TO SPEAK TO ON THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? NOW BE THE TIME. YOU DO COME UP TO SPEAK FOR ANYTHING. BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. [5. PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF A REQUEST TO REZONE PART OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AT 201 GARLAND DRIVE FROM B-1 TO RESIDENTIAL R-2 ] ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION OF A REQUEST TO REZONE PART OF THE SECOND BAPTIST CHURCH AT 2 0 1 GARLAND DRIVE FROM B ONE TO RESIDENTIAL R TWO. UH, MY NAME IS RAYMOND WALLY. I LIVE AT 1 45 OAK DRIVE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET. BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OAK DRIVE. THIS HAS TO DO WITH GARLAND DRIVE. UH, I PASTOR FROM SECOND BAPTIST, GARY THORNTON IS HERE, AND, UH, THE BROTHER ON THE BUILDING AND GROUNDS COMMITTEE, CLIFF DAVIS IS HERE. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BACK ME UP IF I SAY ANYTHING STUPID. . SO I ASSUME YOU'RE RELATED TO MS. WALLY, THE TEACHER, RIGHT? YES, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S MY MOM. I HAD HER FOR PROBABLY, PROBABLY SEVERAL OF US. HAD HER FOR A TEACHER AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. YOU PROBABLY DID AS WALLY. MM-HMM . SHE USED TO GIVE LEGAL SIZE SHEETS OF PAPER FOR HER TEST, NOT STANDARD SIZE. UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT SECOND BAPTIST, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TO HEAR THIS. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT TO SELL OUR PARSONAGE. WHEN MERRILL CAME THROUGH, IT KIND OF MOVED OUR STEEPLE TO THE SIDE WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE A LITTLE OFF CENTER AND WE HAVE OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO TAKE CARE OF WITH OUR PROPERTY. AND SO WE'VE DECIDED, AND THE CHURCH VOTED TO SELL THE PROPERTY. NOW THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS DO WE KEEP IT B ONE? I THINK THAT'S THE DESIGNATION. OR CAN WE ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER TAKING IT TO A RESIDENTIAL? I GUESS THAT'S R ONE, R TWO. HISTORICALLY THAT PARSONAGE HAS BEEN USED FOR PASTORS STAFF WHEN WE HAD STAFF THAT WERE CONNECTED WITH THE PROPERTY. UH, RIGHT NOW IT, IT'S VACANT. UM, WHAT WE WOULD REALLY LOVE TO DO, AND I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF HERE, I'D LIKE TO GET AS MUCH MONEY AS WE CAN FOR THAT PROPERTY. SO THE DECISION IS DO WE GO OUR R ONE AND ASK FOR A REZONING OR DO WE KEEP IT B ONE? UH, THAT ESSENTIALLY IS THE QUESTION. AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR NON-BIASED, UH, OPINION ABOUT WHETHER AND YOU WANT SELL ALL OF IT. I NO, NO, JUST THE PARSONAGE. JUST THE PARSONAGE. DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA WHERE YOUR, UH, YOUR CUTOFF LINE'S GONNA BE? UH, YES WE DO. I HAVE, UH, ARE THERE SIX MEMBERS? I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEVEN COPIES, BUT WE CAN, WE CAN PASS ONE ALONG PRETTY EASILY. THIS SHOWS THE PARSONAGE. I CAN LOOK AT HIS, HARRY AND I CAN SHARE ONE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE WAY. MM-HMM . THANK YOU. YEAH, FROM, FROM THE TIP. BASICALLY THE TIP OF THE DRIVEWAY BACK. HELLO? GOOD EVENING. YEAH, THE TIP OF THE DRIVEWAY BACK. OKAY. I'LL PICK ONE. YEAH, I'LL [00:05:01] GIVE IT TO YOU. YEAH. THAT WAS NEEDED FROM DOWN CHEMICAL COMPANY IN 1953. I THINK IT WAS AUGUST. NO, FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH FOR THE CHURCH PROPERTY WAS 2.285 ACRES. AND THAT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT THERE. SO THE PROPERTIES ARE SEPARATE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARTITION, UH, NOT THE PARTITION OF THE MAP ON MISSOURI COUNTY CAD, IT SHOWS THAT RED LINE APPROXIMATELY WHERE YOU SEE THIS RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT ON THE, THIS ONE. NO, NOT THAT SOPHISTICATED. UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS RIGHT OVER HALF ACRE. SO THAT WOULD BE THE, AS SHOWN BY THE COUNTY. THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE WE'RE LOOKING TO REZONE IF THAT SURPRISES DECISION FOR OUR CHURCH. AND IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THE LANDSCAPE? IS IT A RECTANGLE OR IS THIS THE WAY THIS IS SKEWED ON THE DRAWING? UH, THIS, THIS IS, UH, PRECISE. PRETTY POUND TO A HALF. HALF AN INCH. NO, IT'S NOT THAT ACCURATE. THIS IS SO IT'S NOT A RECTANGLE, IT'S A TRAPEZOID. UH, TECHNICALLY, YES, SIR. THAT'S CORRECT. IT IS A TRAPEZOID. OKAY. THERE'S THE COUNTY THING. OH, THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THERE'S THE RECTANGLE RIGHT THERE. SO Y'ALL WOULD JUST GO WITH, WITH THE CAMP THAT YOU'D GO WITH. THAT PROBABLY IS THIS LINE? YES SIR. I THINK IT'S BETTER THAN THIS. I FORGET ABOUT THAT ALL TIME. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ORIGINAL EASEMENT FOR GARLAND DRIVE THAT IT WAS 30 FEET AND NOW IT'S MORE, SO IT MAY NOT BE 0.585 ANYMORE. I, I'M NOT A SURVEYOR. I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY THERE OR HOW THAT'S EVEN READ. IT'S A NICE SIZE LOT. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM? I DON'T AT THIS TIME, JEFF. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. I AGREE WITH MATT IF THEY WANT TO DO IT, IT PROVIDES MONEY TO THE CHURCH IF THEY NEED IT. IT PUTS PROPERTY BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS. YEAH. SO IT'D BE, I THINK IT'D BE A BENEFIT FOR EVERYONE IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT. HARRY, DOES THIS INCLUDE MAKING IT AN R TWO OR JUST A PARTITION? NO, THERE'S NO PARTITION INVOLVED RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST FREE ZONE. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A GENERALIZING A CONCEPT OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE OPEN, CONSIDER IT OPEN TO REZONING FROM WHAT IT IS RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A, A B ONE NA UH, JUST NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, UH, ZONE. WHICH ALL THE AREAS SURROUNDING THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS A B ONE. THE, UH, THE CHURCH ITSELF, THE CHURCH ITSELF IS RIGHT NOW A NON-CONFORMING USE. B ONE. IT IS A CHURCH BECAUSE NOBODY HAS EVER BROUGHT THIS TO US FOR REZONING INTO A, IN OUR TO A B THREE, WHICH IS INSTITUTIONAL. THE REASON WHY, IT'S BECAUSE TYPICALLY THE TIME THAT WE ENTERTAIN THAT IS WHEN THEY COME IN HERE FOR SOME REVISION TO THE SIDE PLAN, SOME MODIFICATION TO THE SIDE PLAN. THIS IS A TIME WHERE THEY CAME IN THERE AND WANTING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY COULD REZONE THAT PARTICULAR PART OF THEIR PROPERTY INTO AN R ONE, INTO AN R TWO, WHICH IS WHERE I THINK THERE AT ONE TIME THERE WAS AN OFFER OR THERE IS AN OFFER OUT THERE STILL TO BUY FOR THAT PURPOSE. UH, AND THAT'S WHEN, UH, RICK CAME IN HERE AND WE SAID, LOOK, LOOK SAID, WE HAVE SEVERAL THINGS WORKING HERE. THIS IS A KIND OF AN ODD SITUATION, UH, HERE IN THIS PARTICULAR DEAL. AND THE REASON THAT WE SAID TAKE IT TO THE PLANNERS IS BECAUSE IN THE PAST THE PLANNERS HAS BEEN RESISTANT TO SPOT ZONING. OKAY. YOU DON'T LIKE TO IMPOSE SOMETHING IN HERE IN BETWEEN WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, HAS ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ZONED AS AS, AS ANOTHER THING IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. IT'S GOT A LOT THERE. LITTLE NUANCES HERE THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE BECAUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET IS AN R TWO. YEAH. YOU KNOW, SO THOSE ARE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE WILLING OR YOU'RE OPEN, UH, ON DOING THAT. WHAT IS THE LOT LOOKING [00:10:01] DOWN, DOWN WITH THE WHITE ROOF. THAT'S THE HEAD START SPOT. HEAD START, RIGHT? HEAD START CHILD DAYCARE. YEAH. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS AN ACTUAL PLAZA. THIS ANOTHER AND THAT'S A B ONE. I WOULD'VE ASSUME. OH, THOSE THOSE ON GONE. YEAH, THAT ONE GONE. IT'S A HOUSE. IT'S A REGULAR RESIDENTIAL. WE CAN'T DO ANYMORE. WE DID APPROACH BRAZO COUNTY HEAD START AND SEE IF THEY NEEDED PROPERTY, BUT UH, THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T PLANNING ON EXPANDING. AMEN. . THERE YOU GO. AND EVERYBODY WHO GETS MONEY FROM GRANTS RIGHT NOW IS MM. DRAWING UP THEIR DRAWBRIDGE. THEY'RE NOT EXPANDING. MOST OF 'EM ARE LAYING OFF PEOPLE. MM-HMM. THE LAYOUT OF THE RESIDENCE, UH, IS UNIQUE. UH, HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO SETBACKS AND SUCH FOR AN R TWO? IT WOULD, IT WOULD PROBABLY MAKE THAT, I THINK, UH, BECAUSE THE SETBACK IS A 25 FOOT SETBACK ON AN R TWO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY IT IS, UH, LOCATED WITHIN THE LOT WOULD BE ABLE TO FIT, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT 25 FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IS THE HOUSE LIVABLE AS IT SITS RIGHT NOW? YES. THAT, THAT'S RAY WALLY RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTION. YOU MIGHT ASK SOMEBODY ELSE. . NO, I WAS ASKING YOU BOSS. SO DOES THIS, IF THIS DID GET RE TO GO TO R TWO, WOULD IT TRIGGER ANYTHING FOR THEM SINCE THEY'RE NOT YEAH, IT WOULD TRIGGER IT BACK TO A B THREE. YES. IT WOULD FIRST OF ALL TRIGGER THAT NOW IT'S A MAJOR RE I MEAN A MAJOR, UH, RE UH, RESHAPING OF THE LOT ITSELF. SO AT THAT, AT THIS TIME WE WERE PARTICULARLY REQUIRE THAT THEY GO BACK AND GET A B THREE NOW FOR THE CHURCH ITSELF, YES. THAT WOULD HAVE TO UPDATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS OF THE SITE OF, OF THEIR PSYCHED INDEPENDENTLY. NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET IT BASED, I MEAN THEIR PARKING YEP. LANDSCAPING YOU EVERYTHING. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE THING I'M CONCERNED FOR 'EM IS IF YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT. YES SIR. BY SPLITTING THIS OFF, THAT'S OPENING THE CHURCH LAND TO HAVE TO BE UP TO DATE. I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, LIKE YOU SAID, THE PARKING, THE LANDSCAPING, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE UP TO DATE AT THAT POINT. INSTEAD OF GOING AS IS ON BASICALLY MORE OR LESS GRANDFATHERED. 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO THE PROPERTY. SO I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT LIKE WE WANNA FORCE IT, BUT IT'S, WE FORCE ON EVERYBODY TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH PROBABLY A LOT OF, UH, COSTLY ITEMS. A LOT OF VARIANCES BECAUSE I MEAN THAT STILL, THAT STILL KEEPS THE CHURCH PROPERTY AT THE 2.28. THAT 0.5 IS A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO YEAH, IT STILL FALLS YEAH. PROPERTY. YEAH, IT, YEAH. THE BB THREE PROPERTY LINE. YEAH. CORRECT. CORRECT. I, I'D BE, I MEAN EVEN THOUGH THE HOUSE RIGHT NOW SELLS FOR DANG GOOD MONEY IN THIS, THIS CITY, YOU'D SPEND A CHUNK OF THAT GETTING EVERYTHING DONE I IMAGINE, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. JUST FROM THE SURVEYING AND THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THE LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH IT. RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING IT COST A MILLION BUCKS, BUT IT AIN'T FREE. PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE THE CHURCH VERSUS THE RESIDENCE. WELL THOSE, THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH, THE CHURCH WOULD GET, HAVE TO DEGREE, HAVE TO FIT. I UNDERSTAND. OP SPEED. WE, I UNDERSTAND THERE MIGHT BE TWO SURVEYS REQUIRED. ONE CERTAINLY TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND THE MIGHT NEED A NEW SURVEY FOR THE CHURCH PROPERTY. OKAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THREE FIND PEOPLE OVER HERE. TWO SURVEYS. WELL, I MEAN HE CAN HAVE IT ONE, ONE SURVEY. HE'S GONNA HAVE TO CREATE TWO LOTS. HE'S GONNA HAVE TO COME HERE FOR A SUBDIVISION. YEAH. BLACK. YEAH. OKAY. BUT FOR HIS SITE, HE IS GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY YEP. PERFORMED ON HIS PROPERTY, ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY TO NOW, YOU KNOW, INDICATE THE WHOLE FOOTPRINT IN THERE AND TO, IN THIS PARTICULAR NEW LOT HE IS GONNA BE USING FOR A SIDE LINE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT HE IS LOOKING AT. I AGREE WITH JEFF. I LIKE THE IDEA. YEAH. BUT Y'ALL GOING, Y'ALL GOTTA TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER IT'S GOING TO DO IT 'CAUSE 'CAUSE OF THIS TRIGGER AND THIS OTHER THING, WHETHER IT MAKES ANY SENSE FOR Y'ALL. IT MAKES SENSE. I ABSOLUTELY, I I I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS HAVE DUG IN ALL THE WAY ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO, MY FRIEND. YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT SAL IS SAYING IS A COMMON THING FOR US TO TALK ABOUT UP HERE BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH COMPANIES WHO PROFIT, NOT PEOPLE WHO PREACH AND YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE A BAPTIST CHURCH IS A FOR-PROFIT ENTERPRISE, I'VE BEEN A DEACON OF SEVERAL OF THEM. NO, I I THEY EITHER HAD WELL, [00:15:01] I MEAN LITERALLY THAT'S WHY NO, I, I I I AGREE. THIS HAS ALL STARTED. YOU SAID BECAUSE THEY DESIRE TO TAKE A PART OF YOUR CHURCH PROPERTY TO BE ABLE TO FIX AND REPAIR SOME THINGS. YES. MM-HMM . AND FINANCIALLY BENEFIT FROM IT. MM-HMM . I BET THEY HAVE SPENT MORE TIME GOING OVER THAT GETTING ON OUR AGENDA THAN WE SPENT IN THE LAST 20 MINUTES. SECOND GUESSING THEM, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS AND RECOMMEND. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, YOU, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR OPINION ON AND GIVE SOME FEEDBACK TO SEE WHAT IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. YES. AND SO THEY CAN GO BACK IN THERE AND REGROUP AND START TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS AND CENTS AND PROBABLY THE, UH, THE MOTIVATION IS TO, UH, OF THE VALUE OF THE R TWO. THERE'S NO MOTIVATION WE CAN THINK OF OF WHY TO MOVE THAT LINE. I WOULD THINK FOR ONE THAT'S ALL YOUR BUSINESS. YOU'D PROBABLY WANT THAT LOT. UH, I I GUESS AS SMALL AS YOU WANT. UH, SO YOU HAVE AS MUCH FOR THE CHURCH LEFT. BUT, UH, TRYING TO READ, UH, MOTIVATIONS OR, OR VISA VERSA. THEY MAY WANT TO SELL MORE IF THEY COULD SELL MORE. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. THE THING THAT MADE IT, WHEN I FIRST GOT THE DEAL, WHEREVER IT WAS FRIDAY, I DROVE BY IT AND I FELT BETTER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT MIGHT ALL BE COMMERCIAL. WHEN I SAW THE HOMES ACROSS THE WAY FOR THAT LOT, I THOUGHT IT WOULDN'T BE AS BIG OF A DEAL. SO I THINK THE SENSE YOU'RE GETTING IS Y'ALL HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO IS MR. JE SAYS TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORTH IT. I THINK WE DON'T LIKE SPOT ZONING, BUT WE DE WE RARELY HAVE SPOT ZONING. YEAH. WHERE IF YOU ZONE IT, IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHAT YOU WANT IT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. YEP. SO WE WILL LISTEN TO YOU AND WE'RE NOT SAYING NO, I UNDERSTAND. SO WE SHOULD, UH, WE HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING, REGULAR CHURCH BUSINESS MEETING EVERY MONTH AND WE HAVE ONE COMING UP ON JULY 20TH. THEN WE CAN COME BACK ON AUGUST THE FIFTH, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING. TUESDAY, AUGUST THE FIFTH. YES SIR. SOUNDS SOUNDS CORRECT. UM, SO WE WILL DO THAT. BROTHER, BROTHER. GARY, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY PASTOR, PASTOR THORNTON? I REALLY HAVE NOT MUCH MORE TO ADD. I'M GARY THORNTON, 1 24 FOREST OAKS LANE BEING TORN UP RIGHT NOW. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. . YEAH, WE, WE KNOW WE'RE PARKING ACROSS THE STREET, BUT UH, MAINLY WE WANTED TO KINDA GET, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT'D BE BETTER TO LEAVE IT COMMERCIAL OR BETTER TO GO RESIDENTIAL. AND WE THOUGHT IF WE COULD HAVE INPUT FROM YOU GUYS, IT WOULD HELP YOU PEOPLE, IT WOULD HELP US TO REALLY GET AN IDEA. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK NOW TO OUR COMMITTEE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU FOLKS HAVE SAID AND THEN MAYBE COME BACK AGAIN IN A LATER TIME. WE JUST KIND OF DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. AND I ASSUME YOU'VE MET WITH ENGINEERING. YES SIR. IF WE, IF YOU CHANGE THAT, LIKE MR. VIRGINIA'S SAYING AND IT'S ANOTHER LOT. IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT TRIGGERS A LOT OF EXPENSES TO THE EXISTING CHURCH IF THINGS YOU'LL BE REQUIRED TO DO. AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE HADN'T HEARD BEFORE AND THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT. WELL, I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'LL HAVE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS, YOU'LL HAVE LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS THAT OWN BUSINESSES DO. AND THAT HAS A COST. AND I DON'T KNOW YOUR MEMBERSHIP, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A MONTHLY BUSINESS MEETING. I REMEMBER THOSE DAYS, . SO I WANTED TO WORK OUT FOR YOU. I THINK IT'D BE, COULD BE GOOD IN A GOOD AREA, BUT YOU HAVE TO REALLY THINK IT THROUGH. SO I THINK WHAT THE LESSON YOU'VE LEARNED, WHETHER IT'S YOUR JULY BUSINESS MEETING COME IN AUGUST OR JULY AND AUGUST AND COME BACK AT ANOTHER TIME, IS YOU HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO. BUT NOW YOU'VE KIND OF HAD SOME ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS. WE'RE NOT A NO, BUT WE'RE, UH, IT WE WANT TO MAKE SENSE FOR THE CITY. MR. WALEY. YES, SIR. YOU, YOU TOLD ME THAT YOU HAD BEEN SPEAKING WITH A REALTOR ABOUT THE PROPERTY. YES. AND AND HAVE THEY GIVEN YOU ANY SUGGESTIONS AS THE MARKETABILITY OF THAT PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY? THAT'S A, AS A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS OR NO? I, UH, YES, WE SPOKE WITH A COUPLE AND UH, THE IDEA OF IT BEING RESIDENTIAL WAS THAT, UH, A REALTOR, A CERTIFIED REALTOR CAN HANDLE A SELLING IT RESIDENTIAL. BUT IF IT'S COMMERCIAL YOU HAVE TO USE A CERTIFIED GENERAL APPRAISER. OH, THAT'S FOR APPRAISING THE PROPERTY. YES, SIR. FOR APPRAISING THE PROPERTY. SO, UH, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS MARKETING, UH, SINCE YOU'RE TRYING TO SEE WHICH ONE [00:20:01] WOULD BE TO YOUR ADVANTAGE AND WHETHER OR NOT A COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL AND ALL DEPENDS ON, ON HOW BUSINESS IS AS FAR AS, IS THERE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL DEMAND OUT THERE OR IS IT NOT? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YES. HAS RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S A LOT OF DEMAND AND YOU CAN SELL THAT ONE TOMORROW. YES. YEAH. BUT COMMERCIAL IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT STORY. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S MOVING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW OR WHETHER IT'S MOVING IN THAT GENERAL AREA. THERE ARE SOME COMMERCIAL LOTS STILL OPEN IN THAT AREA, IN THAT STRIP, IS IT NOT? UH, ARE THERE SOME EMPTY LOTS? YEAH, STAIR. OKAY. SO THEY HAVEN'T MOVED, I WOULD IMAGINE FOR A REASON. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD TELL YOU WHAT THE CHANCES ARE OF MOVING THE PROPERTY. WOULD COMMERCIAL IMPLY THAT THAT RESIDENCE WOULD BE DEMOED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE OR NOT? DEPENDS WHO BOUGHT IT TO WANT TO DO BUSINESS, BUT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO USE THAT. THEY COULD READ WHAT IS WELL THE THING IS THEN THEY WOULD GET INTO THE CODE. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. YEAH. YEAH. THAT AND THE PARKING. AND THE PARKING. YEAH. AND THE PARKING. WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE LOT? 20. IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SOME DIDN'T GIVE 40 OR SOMETHING. IT'S, IT IS A LARGE LOT. IT'S A HIGH, BUT IT'S, IT IS MORE THAN 70 FEET OR IT'S OH YEAH, EXCEPT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, PARKING FOR THIS, THE, UH, CHURCH, THE REQUIREMENT IS, UH, ONE SPOT FOR THREE SEATS IN THE AUDITORIUM. I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW THAT, BUT THAT'S A REFERENCE THAT YOU'D HAVE SOME FEEL FOR THAT. UH, I KNOW WE'RE GOING THROUGH THIS WITH CHAPEL WOOD AND WE'VE GOT, UH, TOO MUCH PARKING. SO, SO, UH, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF Y'ALL ARE IN GOOD SHAPE ON THE PARKING FROM THAT STANDPOINT, BUT THAT'S JUST A REFERENCE. RAYMOND, IF YOU GIVE US A CALL TOMORROW, WE WILL GIVE YOU A NAME OR A CONTRACT FOR YOU TO CALL RELATING TO HOW MUCH YOU WOULD EXPECT TO PAY FOR A BOTH A SET A LANDSCAPE PLAN. I MEAN A, A SURVEY FOR A, UH, FOR REPLANTING AND FOR A SITE. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. THE QUESTION I HAVE, WE'LL GIVE YOU, WE'LL GIVE YOU CONTACTS, YOU CAN CALL THEM. THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY NICE AND THEY WILL MORE THAN LIKELY GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THANK YOU. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN USE THAT FOR YOUR DETERMINATION OF WHATEVER IT'S YOU NEED. YOU MIGHT HAVE A PE IN YOUR, UH, CONGREGATION TOO THAT, WELL, I'M WORKING ON SOUND, BUT HE'S, HE'S NOT . I MEAN, AND THAT'S THE THING. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL COMPANIES THAT COULD DO WHAT YOU NEED AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROPERTY. YES. IT'S ONLY TOO MUCH INFORMATION, BUT ONE OF THE OFFERS, OR THE OFFER WE GOT IS WAY BELOW WHAT THE COUNTY HAS THE HOUSES ON. TALISMAN ASSESSED ALMOST ANY HOUSE WITH 0.2 ACRE ON TALISMAN IS AROUND $190,000. AND, UH, THE OFFER, UH, WE GOT WAS A LOT LESS THAN $190,000 A FLIPPER. YEAH. YES. SOMEBODY WANT TO BUY IN AND COME AND FIX IT YEP. AND MAKE A PROFIT ON IT. NOT LIVING IT COTTON. NO, I I THINK Y'ALL HAVE BEEN ALL AROUND IT AND GIVEN THEM SOME GOOD DIRECTION. I DON'T KNOW. MATT, WHAT'S YOUR FAULTS ON THIS? I MEAN, I, I SUPPORT IT. I'M JUST FEARFUL MM-HMM . THAT THE INDIRECT COSTS THAT IT'S GONNA BE TO CHURCH PROPERTY IS GONNA OUTWEIGH, POTENTIALLY OUTWEIGH THE BENEFICIARY COST OR THE BENEFICIARY. SO I THINK THANK YOU. THE SUMMARY IS IF YOU, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE WHAT Y'ALL WANNA DO AND IT MAKES SENSE. YES. WE'RE RECEPTIVE TO. WE'RE RECEPTIVE. YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S ALSO A LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE B TWO OR B ONE FOR THE CHURCH. CHURCH WHERE WOULDN'T BE ONE FOR THE R TWO. YEAH. SAL. NOW THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT ALL THE PIECES ARE. SO, UH, SAL AND ENGINEER ENGINEERS SAT DOWN WITH THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. YES. AND, UH, GAVE US SOME VERY GOOD ADVICE. NON-BIASED, JUST THE FACTS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR CITY EMPLOYEES NOT TO SAY, WELL, YOU OUGHT TO DO THIS OR DO THAT. SO Y'ALL DID GREAT AND WE APPRECIATE IT. UH, AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE APPRISED IS THAT IT WILL BE COST IF WE DO THIS. MM-HMM . WELL, THANK YOU. I GUESS THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAD, AND OKAY. YES SIR. I WISH YOU WELL, I, UNLESS YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. THANK YOU. GOOD NIGHT. HOPE, GOOD LUCK. HOPE IT ALL WORKS OUT FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO STAY UNTIL THE END OF THE MEETING OR CAN WE NO, WE'RE ALMOST DONE. YOU LATER? YEAH, WE'RE ALMOST DONE. ALMOST THERE. YOU CAN HANG OUT FOR TWO MORE MINUTES IF YOU WANT. , WE GONNA LEAVE THE, UH, GAME [00:25:01] BEFORE THE LAST PLAY IS ON, SO THANK YOU. THANK Y'ALL. GOOD TO SEE YOU . ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS TO SIGNATURE? NOPE. NOPE. NEXT MEETING IS [7. SET NEXT MEETING DATE ] DAY AUGUST THE FIFTH. THINK O DAY. AUGUSTO HERE. ALRIGHT, NEXT. THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE LOADED TYPE OF, OF AN AGENDA BECAUSE WE, UH, POSTPONE A LOT OF THE, OF THOSE FROM TONIGHT. SO, FUN. FUN. WE GOT A, EVERYBODY GONNA BE ABLE TO MAKE AUGUST 5TH. YOU GOOD? I, I BELIEVE SO. I'LL BE HERE. I I SHOULD BE. I PLAN TO BE ALIVE. DON'T, I'LL BE HERE AT PRIMO. CASE WANTS TO TAKE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK Y'ALL. THANK Y'ALL. EVERYBODY. WE HAVE DOCUMENTS TO SIGNED. IS THAT WHAT I SAW? NO, THERE WEREN'T WE? NO. HAVE A GOOD ONE. HAPPY BIRTHDAY AGAIN. 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