Aug 04, 2025 City Council

I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.

UH, MODESTO, THANK YOU, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF.

UH, I APPRECIATE BEING HERE.

UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU GUYS GOT A FULL AGENDA TONIGHT, SO I WILL TRY AND GET THE SYNOPSIS AS QUICKLY AS I CAN.

AND A QUICK REVIEW FOR YOU.

UH, WE'VE GOT A, A HANDFUL OF SLIDES HERE I PUT TOGETHER IN THE POWERPOINT, WHICH IS A VERY QUICK SUMMATION OF THE LAST SEC SIX MONTHS OF DATA GATHERING.

SO MOST OF WHAT YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU'VE ALSO PROBABLY RECEIVED A COPY OF THE REPORT, WHICH WAS PROBABLY 80 OR 90 PAGES LONG.

AND THEN THERE WAS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY ALSO THAT MAY HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU.

UH, UH, METER MANAGEMENT IS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME IS I SPENT THE LAST 40 YEARS GLOBETROTTING, UH, WORKED ON FOUR DIFFERENT CON LIVED AND WORKED ON FOUR DIFFERENT CONTINENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE FOUND MOST INTERESTING IS THAT REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, UH, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF MONEY SPENT BY UTILITIES TRYING TO DEAL WITH NON-REVENUE WATER ISSUES.

AND IS IT OCCURRING IN THE WORLD OF LEAKAGE OR IS IT OCCURRING IN THE WORLD OF METERING? IS IT THEFT OF WATER OR WHATEVER? THAT'S REALLY A COMBINATION OF EACH.

BUT THERE'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE IN THE COST BENEFIT, DEPENDING UPON WHERE THAT LOSS IS AT.

UH, ANY WATER LOSS THAT OCCURS IN THE AREA OF, LET'S SAY LEAKAGE, WHICH THEY CALL REAL LOSSES TODAY, UH, WILL IMPACT YOUR WATER CONSERVATION BIG TIME.

'CAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PRODUCE WATER IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE NOT, IF YOU'RE CAPTURING THAT WATER ON THE OTHER END OF THE SCALE, UH, ON THE METERING SIDE, ANY UNACCOUNTED FOR WATER THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH METERING, WHETHER IT'S BECAUSE THE METERS ARE JUST SIMPLY INACCURATE, THEY'RE OLD, THEY'RE OUTDATED, UH, THEFT OF WATER GOING AROUND THE METERS, UH, WHATEVER THE REASON MIGHT BE, THAT'S JUST NOT, THAT'S NOT JUST NON-REVENUE WATER.

I MEAN, THAT IS NOW LOST.

THAT'S LOST REVENUE.

AND IN YOUR CASE, YOU HAVE A WATER AND SEWER RATED, BUT WHAT AROUND $13 PLUS PER THOUSAND GALLONS.

AND THAT IS SUBSTANTIAL.

AND THAT MEANS THAT WATER LOSS AS ASSOCIATED WITH METERING IS WORTH SOME MONEY TO YOU.

AND

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UH, IN THIS PROJECT, AS WE WERE TRYING TO LAY OUT, UH, DIFFERENT TASKS AND TRYING TO KEEP IT FOCUSED ONLY ON THE METERING COMPONENT, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD FROM YOUR IT DEPARTMENT, UH, BASICALLY ALL 9,400 ACTIVE ACCOUNTS.

AND WE GOT A, A 41 MONTH HISTORY ON EVERY SINGLE ACCOUNT IN THE SYSTEM.

AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PARAMETERS WE HAD, UH, UH, OTHER THAN LOCATION ID AND METERED ID AND STUFF LIKE THAT, WE HAD METER SIZE.

WE HAD METER AGE.

AND, UH, WE TRIED TO ALSO, AS WE GOT INTO THE METER SIZING, WAS LOOKING AT METER LIFE EXPECTANCY.

UH, METER BRAND METER TYPE.

ALL THIS KIND OF INFORMATION CAME ACROSS, WHICH BECAME VERY VALUABLE.

UH, AND AS WELL AS THE ADDRESS, ET CETERA, TRY TO DETERMINE IF DEMOGRAPHICS ALSO PLAY A ROLE IN, IN SOME OF THIS USAGE.

UH, SO WE, WE, WE LOOKED AT THE PERFORMANCE OF EVERY METER IN THE SYSTEM.

WE BROKE EVERYTHING DOWN BY CLASS CODES, BY METER SIZES, ET CETERA.

UH, WE TRIED TO IDENTIFY THE VOLUME OF LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT METERING.

WHY? BECAUSE, AGAIN, THERE'S AN ECONOMIC IMPACT COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS AT $13 PLUS A THOUSAND GALLONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WORTH A LOT.

UH, AND WE TRIED TO LOOK AT THE VARIOUS CAUSES OF THAT LOSS IS BECAUSE THE METER WAS OUTDATED.

IT WAS JUST OLD 'CAUSE IT WAS INACCURATE, MAYBE IT WAS OVERSIZED.

AND IF YOU GOT A WATER METER, IT'S OVERSIZED.

THAT MEANS THAT IT'S NOT CAPTURING THE LOWER FLOW GOING INTO IT.

AND THAT WAS THE CASE IN MANY INSTANCES.

HERE YOU SEE A LOT OF OVERSIZED METERS.

UH, AND THEN WE WANTED TO CONSIDER THE LONG RANGE COST EFFECTIVENESS.

UH, AS WE GOT INTO THIS PROJECT, THE CITY HAD ALREADY MADE A DECISION TO START REPLACING WATER METERS THAT YOU DID IN 2024.

AND YOU, YOU MOVED AWAY FROM THE MECHANICAL METERS AND YOU MOVED INTO WHAT THEY CALL A STATIC METERS TODAY.

IN YOUR PARTICULAR CASE, THERE WERE LITTLE MAG METERS, UH, MAGNETIC DRIVEN METERS.

AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD CHOICE.

AND THIS WAS IN 24.

AND, UH, AS WE GOT INTO THIS HERE, AND WE STARTED IDENTIFYING THE, THE METER AGE, WHICH BECAME A BIG DEAL AND PROBABLY JUMPING AHEAD OF THE GUN HERE WITH, UH, THE POWERPOINT.

BUT YOU HAD OVER THREE, 3000 PLUS ACCOUNTS THAT HAD REACHED OR EXCEEDED 10 YEARS IN AGE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, YOU ALSO HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE BATTERIES IN THOSE METERS.

MANY OF 'EM WERE NOT HOLDING UP FOR THE FULL 10 YEARS THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HOLD UP.

SO EVERY MONTH YOU HAD HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF METERS THAT WERE NOT RECORDING BECAUSE THE BATTERY HAD STOPPED SENDING THE SIGNAL.

AND WE WENT THROUGH AND WE IDENTIFIED ALL THOSE.

YOUR STAFF HAD ALREADY IDENTIFIED MANY OF 'EM BEFORE WE GOT INTO THE PROJECT.

AND, UH, AND THAT'S A PLUS 'CAUSE YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

UH, IF WE GOT INTO THIS THING, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DID, WE LOOKED AT YOUR PRODUCTION SITE.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WATER YOU'RE PRODUCING, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR WATER LOSS IN THE SYSTEM IS.

SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE.

YOU GOT YOUR WELLS, YOU GOT YOUR SURFACE WATER, YOU GOT VERY FEW METERS INVOLVED, AND YOU TEST THOSE METERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

AND SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THE PRODUCTION RECORDS ARE ACCURATE 'CAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TESTED.

AND, UH, WE WENT THROUGH, WE LOOKED AT EACH OF YOUR SITES, YOUR WELL SITES, UH, ONLY TO DETERMINE CAN THOSE METERS BE TESTED IN THE FIELD.

YOU'RE DOING AN ELECTRONIC TEST ON 'EM, BUT YOU AREN'T DOING A FLOW TEST ON 'EM.

AND SOME OF THE METERS ARE PROBABLY NOT GONNA BE FLOW TESTABLE.

UH, WE LIKE TO DO BOTH.

WE LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF BOTH.

UH, AS WE GOT INTO THE 41 MONTHS OF HISTORY, THERE WERE OVER 393,000 RECORDS TRANSFERRED TO US.

AND THIS BECAME REALLY WONDERFUL DATA.

AND YET WE STARTED GOING THROUGH IT IN MANY DIFFERENT, UH, UH, WAYS.

AND, BUT THE METER AGE THING BECAME A BIG DEAL AS WE GOT INTO IT.

AND, UH, WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR CLASS CODE, YOUR METER SIZE, WE LOOKED AT THE CYCLE AND THE ROUTES HOPE TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING PINPOINTED DEMOGRAPHICALLY, AND YOUR CYCLE AND ROUTES WOULD GIVE THAT TO US.

'CAUSE IT'S GETTING, NARROWING IT DOWN TO CERTAIN AREAS.

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WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU UNDERSIZE A WATER METER? THAT MEANS YOU GOT A LOT OF WATER GOING THROUGH THAT CHAMBER AND YOU'RE GONNA WEAR IT OUT AND IT WILL NEVER HOLD UP FOR THE DURATION OF ITS, UH, PROJECTED LIFE EXPECTANCY ON THE OTHER END.

IF YOU'VE GOT A METER THAT'S, UH, WAY OVERSIZED, YOU MAY NOT EVEN CATCH A LOT OF THE WATER.

AND WE KNOW THAT WAS THE CASE IN MANY, IN MANY INSTANCES.

UH, SO WE IDENTIFIED ALL THE METERS THAT WE IDENTIFIED.

EVERY METER THAT WE THOUGHT HAD A PROBLEM IN THE SYSTEM, UH, REGARDLESS OF THE METER SIZE OR ET CETERA.

UH, WE IDENTIFIED ALL YOUR LOW USE ACCOUNTS.

NOW YOU SAY WHAT'S A LOW USE ACCOUNT? WELL, IN YOUR SYSTEM YOU HAVE A WATER RATE STRUCTURE AT STARTS AT 2000 GALLONS.

THE FIRST 2000 GALLONS IS PART OF YOUR MINIMUM BILL CHARGE.

OKAY? SO ANY CUSTOMER THAT USED 2000 GALLONS A MONTH OR LESS, WE CATEGORIZE AS A LOW USE ACCOUNT.

AND SO, UH, UH, IN YOUR SYSTEM, CLOSE TO 20%.

OKAY? THAT'S A BIG NUMBER ONE FIFTH OF ALL YOUR ON THIS IS ON AVERAGE, ONE FIFTH OF ALL YOUR METERS CAME IN AT 2000 GALLONS A MONTH OR LESS.

AND, UH, DOES IT SHOW WHAT PARTICULAR AREA THAT COMES FROM ALL OVER? ALL OF THEM.

AND I WAS SURPRISED AS WE GOT INTO LOOKING AT, AT THE, AT THE MAPS AND WE GOT INTO WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS EVEN, WE HAD SOME LOW USE ACCOUNTS IN SOME OF THE LARGER HOMES.

THAT WAS A SURPRISE.

'CAUSE THEN I, I WENT INTO GOOGLE EARTH AND BROUGHT UP THE AREA AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I SEE SWIMMING POOLS, .

SO, UH, I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE SOME OF THE HOUSES SWIMMING POOL THAT WERE STILL USING, NOT A LOT OF WATER.

I WON'T SAY THEY WERE LOW USE, BUT THEY WEREN'T USING A LOT OF WATER.

NOT NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY'D USE.

EXACTLY.

AND YOU CAN SEE IT GOING UP AND DOWN LIKE A YO-YO.

AND PART OF THAT HAD TO DO WITH THE METER SIZING.

HAD A LOT OF ONE INCH, ONE AND A HALF INCH METERS, STUFF LIKE THAT ON SOME OF THE HOMES THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, A FIVE EIGHT, A REGULAR FIVE, EIGHT INCH METER WOULD'VE MORE THAN SUFFICED.

SO THEN WE LOOKED AT THE UNDERSIZED AND OVERSIZED METERS.

AND IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT IT GOES IN AND DEALS WITH THIS IN DETAIL.

WE INSPECTED ALL OF YOUR THREE INCH AND LARGER METERS.

WHY? 'CAUSE GUESS WHO USES MOST OF YOUR WATER IN THE SYSTEM? ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE APARTMENTS, THEY USE A LOT OF WATER.

AND WHEN WE, WHEN WE, WHICH I'LL COME UP TO, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE, THE DISTRIBUTION OF USE CHART, BUT 20% OF ALL YOUR ACCOUNTS, LIKE I SAID, WERE USING 2000 GALLONS A MONTH OR LESS.

3% OF YOUR ACCOUNTS USE 45% OF THE WATER.

OKAY? AND 70 OF THOSE ACCOUNTS USE 35% OF THE WATER.

SO GUESS WHAT'S 3%, IF I'M IN YOUR SHOES, I'M GONNA BE FOCUSING ON, I'M GONNA BE FOCUSING ON THE ACCOUNTS THAT ARE USING MOST OF THE WATER THAT'S GONNA IMPACT YOUR REVENUE THE MOST.

AND, UH, AND WE ALSO WENT THROUGH AND, UH, LAID OUT A LARGE METER TESTING PROGRAM, WHICH YOU'VE NOT HAD BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

THE IMPACT OF THOSE, UH, HANDFUL OF METERS.

UH, THERE'S SOME PICTURES OF YOUR PRODUCTION METERS THAT WE DID WAS WE WENT OUT AND WE LOOKED AT 'EM.

AND YOUR PRODUCTION METERS, EVERYTHING THAT LOOKS GOOD.

UH, AS FAR AS THE INSTALLATIONS GO, EVERYTHING IS VERY CLEAN, VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF.

UH, WE TOOK YOUR MONTHLY, UH, SURFACE WATER, YOUR MONTHLY, UH, WELL WATER TOTALS.

WE, UH, ALSO TOOK THOSE AND PUT THOSE IN QUARTERLY TOTALS AND ANNUALIZED TOTALS.

AND THAT JUST IS A CHART THAT SHOWS YOU THE MONTHLY GOING FROM JANUARY OF 22, BACK THROUGH MAY OF 20 FIVE'S WHEN THE DATA FINALLY ENDED.

AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE HOW IT JUMPS AROUND, UH, ONLY A FEW MONTHS DID YOU, UH, ACTUALLY, DID YOU SURFACE WATER EXCEED YOUR WELL WATER? UH, WE THEN TOOK THAT INFORMATION.

WE TOOK YOUR MONTHLY SALES HISTORY AND WE OVERLAID THAT AGAINST YOUR MONTHLY PRODUCTION TOTALS.

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BUT IT PRETTY MUCH TRACKS ALL THE WAY THROUGH AND NO REAL SURPRISES THERE.

UH, THAT CHART THERE IS BREAKS DOWN THE, UH, THE MONTHLY TOTALS.

WE TOOK YOUR MONTHLY TOTALS FOR WATER PRODUCTION AND WATER SALES.

WE COMBINED IT AND MADE QUARTERLY TOTALS.

A QUARTERLY TOTAL IS A RUNNING THREE MONTH TOTAL.

NOW, THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR MONTHLY TOTALS IS THAT YOUR BILLING CYCLE WHEN YOU ACTUALLY BILL AND READ METERS, IS DIFFERENT FROM THE TIME YOU READ THE PRODUCTION METERS AND THEY NEVER LINE UP.

SO YOU'VE ALWAYS GOTTA LAG TIME IN THERE.

BUT WHEN WE START, WHEN WE TOOK THE NUMBERS AND WE, UH, HAD A RUNNING THREE MONTH TOTAL, NOW THEY START TO BALANCE OUT.

AND THE SAME THING AS YOU GET INTO THE ANNUAL TOTALS.

IT'S A RUNNING 12 MONTH TOTAL ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND THE RUNNING 12 MONTH TOTALS ARE REALLY NICE.

BUT IN YOUR CASE, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT MISLEADING.

AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN EXTREMELY BUSY REPLACING WATER METERS.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, UH, THE ANNUALIZE WILL NOT PICK UP ANY DIFFERENCES OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS WHEN YOU'VE REPLACED A WATER METER LAST MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AGO.

IT'S TOO SOON TO PICK IT UP.

THE QUARTERLY STARTS PICKING IT UP.

AND, UH, AND I, I'VE GOT A SLIDE COMING UP HERE, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT JUST IN A SECOND.

BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHART.

IT'S IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT AND THE BODY OF THE REPORT HAS GOT MORE DETAIL ON IT.

AND I'VE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY THIS ONE.

UH, ANOTHER IMPACT THAT HAS BEEN BIG FOR YOU GUYS, AND THAT'S PRECIPITATION.

UH, I PUT THIS, THIS IS THE ANNUALIZED.

EVERYTHING HERE IS RUNNING 12 MONTH TOTALS.

AND THE REASON I PUT IT IN THERE, THE GREEN BARS, VERTICAL BARS SHOW YOUR ANNUALIZED PRECIPITATION.

AND LOOK, WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS PRECIPITATION RISES.

THE YELLOW LINE ON TOP IS YOUR PRODUCTION.

YOUR PRODUCTION STARTS COMING DOWN, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IRRIGATING AS MUCH.

AND GUESS WHAT? THE RED DASH LINE IS YOUR SAIL, IT ALSO COMES DOWN.

OKAY? SO YOUR PRECIPITATION HAS BEEN A BIG DEAL IN THE SYSTEM.

IT CAN BE VERY MISLEADING.

NOT ALL MEDIA REPLACEMENT PROGRAMS ARE SUCCESSFUL.

IT'S KIND OF A GAG SLIDE.

BUT OVER THE YEARS, WE HAVE SPENT, UH, I HAVE REVIEWED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILLIONS OF WATER METERS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

AND WE HAVE SEEN SOME REAL CANS OF WORMS OUT THERE.

UH, I'VE HAD WATER METERS SHOW UP THAT FROM CHINA THAT, UH, WE DUMPED THE BOX UPSIDE DOWN AND THE DIALS FELL OFF THE REGISTERS, OKAY? BRAND NEW.

WE'VE HAD OTHER METERS THAT WERE EXCELLENT COMING IN, MAYBE ALSO FROM CHINA OR FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON, BUT NOT ALL METERS ARE MADE THE SAME.

UH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THOSE 393,000 RECORDS, THE PURPOSE, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TO REDUCE AND NARROW DOWN WHERE THE PROBLEMS MIGHT BE IN THE SYSTEM.

AND WE BROKE EVERYTHING DOWN FIRST BY CLASS CODES.

WE LOOKED AT ALL OF YOUR APARTMENTS, WE LOOKED AT YOUR MUNICIPAL ACCOUNTS, YOUR COMMERCIAL ACCOUNTS, INSTITUTIONAL ACCOUNTS.

WE SEPARATE IRRIGATION OUT OF THAT AND RESIDENTIAL.

AND THOSE BECAME THE MAIN CATEGORIES.

AND YOU CAN SEE HERE, THAT'S JUST A, UH, A QUICK SUMMATION OF THE 9,400 PLUS ACCOUNTS BROKEN DOWN BY THE NUMBERS AND THE PERCENT USAGE.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE, YOU'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, OKAY? SO FOR THE MOST PART, AS IT SHOWS THERE, YOU'VE GOT 92% OF ALL YOUR ACCOUNTS ARE RESIDENTIAL.

THEY USE 54%, 55% OF THE WATER.

SO THAT MEANS RIGHT OFF THE BAT, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT EIGHT, SEVEN, 8% THAT USE THE 45%.

AND YOU BREAK THAT DOWN EVEN FURTHER.

AS WE GOT INTO THE ANALYSIS.

YOUR APARTMENTS ARE VERY INTERESTING.

YOU ONLY GOT 48 OF THEM, BUT THEY USE 15% OF THE WATER, UH, AND SO FORTH METER SIZES.

UH,

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THE FIRST THREE ON THERE, UH, IT SHOWS THREE DIFFERENT METER SIZES, FIVE EIGHTS, UH, OR EXCUSE ME, IT DOES NOT HAVE ANY REDUCED THAT DOWN.

UH, THE DATABASE CAME ACROSS WITH THREE DIFFERENT SMALL METER SIZES.

AND IT TURNS OUT THAT THE DATA HAD NOT BEEN UPDATED.

SO THEY'RE ALL FIVE EIGHT INCH METERS.

AND WE UPDATE, WE, WE CORRECTED THAT IN THIS HERE TABLE.

UH, SO WE'RE BACK TO OUR SMALL METERS AGAIN.

YOU GOT 84% ARE SMALL METERS, OKAY? 47% OF THE WATER IS CONSUMED THROUGH THOSE 84% OF THE ACCOUNTS.

SO IN OPERATIONS VIEWPOINT, WHERE YOU SPEND A LOT OF YOUR TIME, YOU SPEND A LOT OF YOUR TIME ON THOSE 84% OF THE CUSTOMERS WHO ARE NOT BRINGING IN THAT MUCH REVENUE COMPARED TO OTHER ACCOUNTS.

SO THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND AS YOU GO THROUGH IT AND YOU START LOOKING AT THE VARIOUS METER SIZES.

ONE THING WE NOTICED RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHEN WE GOT INTO THIS WAS THAT YOU'RE ONE INCH, ONE AND A HALF AND TWO INCH METERS BASED ON THE METER SIZE AND THE PERFORMANCE THAT THOSE METERS ARE RATED AT.

UH, UNLESS SOMETHING'S GOING ON THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND NO WAY DID IT EVER JUSTIFY THOSE METER SIZES.

SO YOU PAY MORE FOR A LARGER METER AND IT PROBABLY RECORDED LESS IN THE LONG RUN THAN WHAT YOU GOT OUT OF IT.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE REST OF THE SIZE.

YOU GO ON DOWN.

UH, THIS CHART HERE IS RATHER INTERESTING.

AND, UH, IT, IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE CHART, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IT TO YOU HERE.

THIS IS ALL CUMULATIVE ACCOUNTS BASED ON A 12 MONTH AVERAGE FOR YOUR 9,400 ACCOUNTS.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOU LOOK AT USAGE ON THE BOTTOM GOING ACROSS, STARTING AT NO GALLONS ALL THE WAY UP TO GREATER THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND GALLONS A MONTH.

AND YOU COME TO THAT MAGIC 2000 GALLON MARK THAT I TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S YOUR, UH, LOW USE ACCOUNTS.

20% OF YOUR CUSTOMERS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.

IF I GO TO 5,000 GALLONS A MONTH, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 65% OF 'EM LOOKING AT THE CHART.

AND GUESS WHAT, THAT'S MOSTLY YOUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS.

'CAUSE YOUR RESIDENTIAL USAGE IN THIS SYSTEM IS ABOUT 5,000 GALLONS A MONTH.

EVEN IN SOME OF YOUR HIGHER INCOME AREAS THAT I LOOKED AT, UH, BASED ON THE, ON THE CYCLE AND THE ROUTE, YOU'RE ONLY AT 75, 7600 GALLONS A MONTH ON THE AVERAGE IN THOSE AREAS.

THAT'S NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE.

AT 5,000 GALLONS A MONTH AT 60,000 GALLONS A YEAR IN 10 YEARS, THAT 600,000 GALLONS, THOSE METERS ARE RATED SUPPOSEDLY AT 1.5 MILLION GALLONS.

YOU'RE NEVER GONNA GET CLOSE TO 1.5 MILLION GALLONS WHEN THE METERS SHUT.

BUT YOU GOT A CUSTOMER THAT AVERAGES 20,000 GALLONS A MONTH, 240,000 GALLONS A YEAR.

IN 10 YEARS, HE'S UP TO 2.4 MILLION GALLONS.

HE'S EXCEEDED THAT 1.5.

THERE'S PROBABLY NOT A PROBLEM.

'CAUSE AT HIGHER FLOW RATES, THE METERS ACTUALLY PERFORM BETTER.

SO USAGE BECOMES REALLY IMPORTANT AND THE LIFE EXPECTANCE OF THE METERS BECOMES IMPORTANT.

IT'S TIED BACK TO HOW MUCH WATER'S ACTUALLY BEING CONSUMED.

AND YOUR SYSTEM, YOUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS, DO NOT USE MUCH WATER.

5,000 GALLONS A MONTH MAS ON AVERAGE, UH, I COME OVER TO AROUND 75.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE UPPER BLUE LINE BECAUSE IT'S ALL RUN TOGETHER UP THERE, BUT THAT GOES INTO THE 3% EQUALS 45%.

AND THEN WE BREAK THAT DOWN FURTHER.

LIKE I SAID, THOSE 70 ACCOUNTS, UH, USE ABOUT 35% OF THE WATER.

SO GUESS WHAT? 70 ACCOUNTS I WOULD WANT TO FOCUS ON IF I'M IN YOUR SHOES AND I WANT TO MONITOR 'EM EVERY SINGLE MONTH, THOSE TOP 70, TOP 100 CUSTOMERS, UH, HERE'S YOUR TOP 25 USERS.

THESE ARE NON-CITY ACCOUNTS.

YOU'VE GOT A COUPLE OF CITY ACCOUNTS IN THERE.

I DID NOT PUT IN LIKE YOUR SEWAGE PLANT AND STUFF LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-REVENUE METERS, IN MY OPINION.

YOU AREN'T CHARGING THEM FOR IT, FOR THE MOST PART.

YOU MAY DO SOMETHING ON YOUR BUDGET WITH IT, BUT, UH, THEY'RE NOT A REVENUE METER.

AND SO YOU, YOU START FROM THE TOP ALL THE WAY DOWN AND, AND THAT'S THE TOP 25.

UH, PAY ATTENTION TO ONE ITEM IN THERE.

ONE, ONE COLUMN.

LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS YOU

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GOT IN THAT TOP 25 AND LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT THEY SERVE IN YOUR SYSTEM.

THE APARTMENTS AVERAGE ALL APARTMENTS TOGETHER.

ALL THE UNITS AVERAGE ABOUT 3000 GALLONS PER MONTH PER UNIT.

YOU GOT SOME THAT ARE MORE THAN THAT, SOME THAT ARE LESS.

FOR THE MOST PART, THE AVERAGE WAS THREE.

THAT'S 60% BASICALLY OF A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOME.

OKAY? THAT'S A MAGIC NUMBER YOU NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF.

VERY IMPORTANT IN YOUR PLANNING AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS.

UH, IN THE PAST, UH, THERE WAS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN UNITS AND METER SIZE.

YOU CAN SEE IN THIS LIST HERE, YOU GOT A BIG DIFFERENCES ON UNITS BEING SERVED IN THE METER SIZE.

METER AGE WAS A BIG DEAL THAT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON.

AND AS A KUDO FOR YOU GUYS, WHICH I'LL PROBABLY REPEAT AGAIN, IS THAT THERE ARE OVER 3000 METERS IN THE SYSTEM OUT OF THE 9,400 THAT WERE MORE THAN 10 YEARS OF AGE, YOU'VE ALREADY REPLACED SINCE JANUARY ONE, SOMETHING LIKE 2200 OF THEM.

OKAY? SO YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, YOU'VE JUMPED ON A PROBLEM AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING IT .

AND IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT ALSO, I'LL GO BACK HERE.

UH, AND IN THE SPREADSHEETS WHERE WE HAVE THE YEAR THAT THE METERS ARE INSTALLED AND THE NUMBER OF METERS, WE ALSO GOT THE, THE ACTUAL CONSUMPTION CONNECTED TO EACH OF THOSE.

AND THEN WE ALSO BROKE THOSE DOWN BY CYCLE AND ROUTE.

SO WE KEPT BREAKING IT DOWN FURTHER AND FURTHER TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF A, A DEMOGRAPHIC CORRELATION THAT YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WITH.

UH, THAT'S THE, UH, METERS THAT YOU'VE REPLACED SINCE JANUARY ONE.

AND THAT'S A, LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND WE LOOK AT THE, THAT'S 22% OF THE, UH, OF ALL METERS.

AND WE LOOK AT THE 9,500, BUT WE LOOK AT JUST THE OLDER METERS.

AND YOU'RE ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE OLDER METERS HAVE NOW BEEN REPLACED.

THAT'S A BIG, BIG NUMBER.

UH, ALL THE LARGE METERS WERE INSPECTED IN THE FIELD.

AND WE LOOKED AT THE VARIOUS COMPONENTS THAT THAT MADE 'EM UP AND MADE ANY COMMENTS ON EACH ONE.

AND SYSTEM WIDE, THE 12 MONTHS ENDING IN MAY WHEN WE USE ANNUALIZED NUMBERS, YOU SOLD 73% OF THE WATER THAT YOU PRODUCED REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY 27% LOSS.

AND YOU GOT, YOUR STAFF IS KNOWN.

THAT'S WHAT'S TRIGGERED THIS WHOLE AREA BACK SIX MONTHS AGO.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T GET CONTROL OF THAT.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT YOUR QUARTERLY TOTALS, WHICH WAS MARCH, APRIL, AND MAY, THAT NUMBER WAS DOWN TO 22%.

WHY? I THINK, AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF THE METERS THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY STARTED REPLACING.

IT'S STARTING TO CATCH UP SOME, BUT YOU ONLY KNOW THAT AS TIME GOES ON.

BUT THAT'S A GOOD INDICATION THAT YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

AND, UH, THE NEXT NUMBERS THAT I SHOW, THERE'S A, A FORM IN YOUR TEXAS WIRE DEVELOPMENT BOARD REPORT EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO PUT OUT, AND THAT'S CALLED I'M, AS I I, IT'S WHAT I CALL ALLOWABLE LEAKAGE IN A SYSTEM.

AND THERE'S A, A LONG EQUATION THAT YOU WORK OUT FOR MILES OF PIPE, DIAMETER PIPE, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

AND I, I KEEP IT PRETTY SIMPLE AND, AND YOUR SYSTEM.

IT'S APPROXIMATELY 4% OF WATER PRODUCTION.

AND WHEN I SAY ALLOWABLE LEAKAGE, LET ME JUST SAY THAT, UH, AS A SIMPLIFIED FORM HERE, THAT YOU GOT A THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY PER MILE OF PIPE.

WELL, IN A MILE OF PIPE, YOU GOT 20 FOOT SECTIONS.

YOU GOT, UH, YOU KNOW, 200 PLUS, UH, 250 SECTIONS OF PIPE.

AND IN THAT ONE MILE, 250 SECTIONS OF PIPE, YOU'VE GOT A THOUSAND GALLONS THAT HAVE LEAKED OUT OVER A 24 HOUR PERIOD OF TIME.

MY GOSH, IF THAT'S UNIVERSAL ACROSS, IT'S A SWEATING CONDITION.

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I LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AND SAY, GEE, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAN BE ALLOWABLE.

YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FIND IT.

SO DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY TRYING TO LOOK FOR IT BECAUSE IT, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FIND IT REGARDLESS OF WHAT ANYBODY'S, YOU KNOW, SELLING YOU EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER ELSE.

YOU'RE NEVER GONNA FIND IT.

AND THAT NOW GETS US DOWN TO ABOUT 18%.

IF THE 22% HOLDS, NOW WE'RE GETTING INTO, UH, AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE WHERE THE 15% IS USUALLY BEEN AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE AND BELOW 10 TO 15%.

SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THAT.

IT BEATS THE HECK OUT OF 27%, OKAY? UH, IN YOUR SYSTEM, PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT, UH, THE COST OF WATER AND SO FORTH.

WE THINK ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN GASOLINE UP TO $4 A GALLON IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW IT'S OVER FIVE, $6 A GALLON FOR GASOLINE IN YOUR SYSTEM.

YOU GOT A THOUSAND, YOU GET WATER DELIVERED TO YOUR HOME AND WASTE WATER CARRIED AWAY FOR 13 BUCKS A THOUSAND.

I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU EVER LIVED IN A DEVELOPING COUNTRY, AND I SPENT A LOT OF YEARS IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES, AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE WATER DELIVERED 24 HOURS A DAY TO YOUR HOME AND YOU DON'T HAVE SEWAGE TAKEN AWAY, YOU, YOU REALIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.

AND HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, WE TAKE A LOT OF THINGS FOR GRANTED.

AND THAT IS ONE OF THEM.

UH, OUR STUPID PHONE CELL PHONES, ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO THREE OR $400 A MONTH, WE PAY ON CELL PHONES.

WE DON'T THINK ANYTHING OF IT.

BUT PEOPLE COMPLAIN LIKE, HECK, WHEN THEY GET TO WATER BILL, ELECTRIC BILLS THE SAME THING.

I'VE GOT FRIENDS THAT THINK NOTHING ABOUT DROPPING $200 TO GO SEE A BALL GAME, BUT BOY, THEY GET A $40 WATER BILL AND THEY'RE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER.

OKAY? THEY AIN'T NOTHING ABOUT SPENDING THE MONEY FOR ARTIFICIAL ENTERTAINMENT.

CRAZY WORLD.

WE LIVE IN FAST FOOD.

TRY TO GO TO MCDONALD'S, GET AWAY FOR LESS THAN 10 OR 15 BUCKS TODAY, OR ANY OTHER FAST FOOD JOINT.

UH, THIS IS AN OLD SLIDE THAT WAS MENTIONED TO ME, I THINK BY MODESTO.

I SAID, WHERE CAN YOU FIND A 50 CENT CAN OF POP? WELL, UH, TRUE OUT AT CITY HALL , UH, THAT COMES OUT TO 5,600 GALLONS FOR A DOLLARS PER A THOUSAND GALLONS.

HERE YOU GOT WATER BEING DELIVERED TO YOUR HOME AND CARRIED AWAY FOR 13 BUCKS.

THAT'S A DARN GOOD DEAL.

DARN GOOD DEAL.

UH, I MADE A QUICK COMPARISON HERE.

WHAT I THINK YOUR BASIC COSTS ARE, YOUR REAL LOSSES, WHICH APPLIES TO LEAKAGE.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY YOUR WHOLE PRODUCTION COST, BUT SOMEWHERE IN THE, I'M GONNA SAY TWO 50 TO $3 PER THOUSAND RANGE.

I PREPARED THIS CHARGE AT TWO 50 A THOUSAND, BUT THAT MIGHT BE PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT.

'CAUSE YOUR SURFACE WATER COSTS, UH, 5.3 TIMES DIFFERENCE.

A THOUSAND GALLONS LOST IN METERING VERSUS A THOUSAND GALLONS LOST IN LEAKAGE.

OKAY? WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO TELL YOU WHAT A LEAK IS COSTING YOU IN YOUR SYSTEM AND THEY COME OUT TO SAY IT'S SOME EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT OR WHATEVER, IF YOU'VE GOT A 50 GALLON PER MINUTE LEAK OUT HERE IN THE STREET, WHAT'S THAT 50 GALLON, YOU'RE NOT SELLING THE WATER.

SO YOU DON'T PUT A $13 RETAIL PRICE TAG ON IT, THAT 50 GALLONS A MINUTE.

IT'S WHATEVER YOU'RE PAYING FOR THE WATER.

IF YOU'RE PURCHASING IT IN YOUR SURFACE WATER, YOU ARE, BUT IT'S YOUR CHEMICALS AND YOUR ENERGY COSTS TO TREAT THAT WATER AND TO MOVE IT INTO THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM.

OKAY? AND, UH, VERSUS THE SAME 50 GALLONS A MINUTE, LOST THROUGH WATER METERS.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

AT LEAST FIVE TIMES DIFFERENCE IN YOUR SYSTEM.

OKAY? JUST, JUST SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

AND, UH, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KEY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE PUT IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT.

AND I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH OF 'EM.

YOU'VE ALREADY JUMPED ON A BUNCH OF THEM.

UH, BUT THEY'RE IN THE BODY.

THEY'RE IN THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IN THE BODY OF THE REPORT AND SO FORTH.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO, ONE, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS WHAT WE CALL DECLINING

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USAGE ACCOUNTS.

ACCOUNTS THAT WEREN'T USING AS MUCH WATER IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS AS THERE WERE THE PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS.

WELL, YOU HAD SEVERAL THOUSAND ACCOUNTS IN THERE.

THAT WAS THE, THE SCENARIO.

BUT A LOT OF IT WAS IMPACTED BECAUSE OF IRRIGATION.

RAINFALL, RAINFALL CHANGED, USAGE DROPPED OFF.

SO THAT WOULD FALL INTO A DECLINING USE ACCOUNT.

SO WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THOSE, AND WE WENT AND WE, WE LOOKED AT THE TOP 50 IN PARTICULAR, AND THE CITY HAS JUMPED ON THAT AND ALREADY 32 OF THOSE 50 METERS HAVE BEEN REPLACED.

SO YOU'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

A LOT OF THING, A LOT OF VERY POSITIVE THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE JUST IN THE COURSE OF THIS PROJECT.

AND, UH, HOW, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STATIC METERS, IS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MASS SPEC OR I MEAN, UH, THE, THE, THE STATIC METERS ARE THE, UH, ULTRASONICS OR THE MAG METERS.

THEY'RE NOT THE MECHANICAL.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AND THAT'S, UH, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING FOR AT LEAST THE YEAH.

YOU'VE ALREADY GONE TO STATIC METERS.

UH, YOU MADE THE DECISION TO GO UP TO THE CENSUS EYE PEARL.

UH, I THINK IN 2024, UH, MAYBE IT WAS 2023.

I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE IF YOU GUYS WILL KNOW THAT, BUT, UH, YOU STARTED REPLACING A BUNCH OF THEM IN 24 AND NOW 25, IT'S REALLY GOING ON.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD CHOICE.

OH YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN RECOMMENDING FOR A LONG TIME.

'CAUSE COMING FROM THE, UH, CHEMICAL PROCESSING WORLD, UH, I KNOW THAT THE HISTORY THEY HAVE AT THE BEGINNING IN THE CHEMICAL INDUSTRY WASN'T THE GREATEST, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY HAS REALLY COME FORWARD.

SO IT'S EXACTLY, AND THAT, THE THING IS, IS YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING 15 YEARS, UH, BATTERY LIFE.

I MEAN, UH, SOME OF THESE COMPANIES, THEY GUARANTEE THEY GUARANTEE THE EQUIPMENT FOR 20 YEARS.

WELL, SO THEY'LL COME AND REPLACE IN 20 YEARS.

AND, AND THAT'S THE SAME THING IN THE WATER INDUSTRY.

WHAT THEY WOULD DO FOR A LONG, WITH, UP UNTIL NOW, UP UNTIL JUST RECENTLY, IT'S BEEN, UH, I'LL CALL IT 10 20 WARRANTY.

THEY SAY YOUR BATTERY AND YOUR METER'S WARRANTY FOR 10 YEARS AND THEN A PARTIAL FOR 20 YEARS.

WELL, THEY CAN DO THAT BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY'S CHANGING SO FAST THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE AFTER 10 YEARS, THEY WANT ANTIQUATED TECHNOLOGY COMING BACK IN.

AND SO THE METER MANUFACTURERS GOT A HOME RUN THERE.

AND NOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE STATIC METERS IS THAT THEY HAVE TAKEN THAT 10 20 BATTERY LIFE AND MOVED IT TO 1520.

SO NOW, INSTEAD OF GETTING EIGHT YEARS ON YOUR BATTERY, THAT MANY OF YOUR FAILED BATTERIES HAPPENED IN THAT SEVEN OR EIGHT YEAR PERIOD.

THEY NEVER MADE IT TO 10.

UH, LET'S SAY THAT THE 80% RULE HOLDS NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, INSTEAD OF 15, LET'S SAY YOU GET 12 0 12 BEATS A HECK OUT OF SEVEN OR EIGHT.

CORRECT? AND SO I THINK THE STATIC METERS, AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL, THEY'LL HOLD IT UP.

ONE THING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT WAS THE, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, TWO AND THREE INCH, UH, METERS, UH, WERE QUE YOU WERE QUESTIONING IF THEY NEEDED TO BE TWO OR THREE INCH METERS BECAUSE OF DEMAND.

AND THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING WAS, I DON'T KNOW, IS, UH, I MEAN, UH, IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT HAS, UH, UH, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, DOES THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM GO THROUGH METERS? SO IN SOME CASES, SO MAYBE THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS WHAT'S REQUIRING THE, THE FIRE PROTECT YOU HAVE MY FIRE PROTECTION? YEAH.

FIRE PROTECTION.

IT THAT IT MAY BE REQUIRING THE VOLUME, INSTANTANEOUS VOLUME THAT'S REQUIRING TWO INCH METER.

BUT I, YEAH.

AND MANY OF YOUR LARGER METERS, YOU MIGHT HAVE, LET'S SAY AN EIGHT BY FOUR, AN EIGHT BY TWO METER, AN EIGHT INCH METER, AND A TWO INCH METER SIDE BY SIDE.

THE TWO INCH METER GENERALLY IS DESIGNED TO CARRY THE DOMESTIC USAGE.

AND ANY FIRE PROTECTION WOULD GO THROUGH THAT EIGHT.

ONLY ONE THAT'S NEEDED.

I WAS JUST TRYING, I WAS JUST TRYING TO REASON WHY WE MIGHT HAVE THAT SITUATION.

WELL, AND, AND IN SOME CASES THAT'S, IT'S A SINGLE METER TAKING CARE OF EVERYTHING.

UH, NOW WE'RE BACK TO ANOTHER CHAPTER, I GUESS, AND I CAN SPEND HOURS AND DAYS ON THIS STUFF.

AND SO IF YOU, IF, IF A METER IS SIZED FOR FIRE PROTECTION, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A, AND I WOULD SUGGEST SOME KIND OF A COMBINATION METER TO GET AWAY FROM THAT, RIGHT? SO IS THE BATTERY LIFE HAS THAT EFFECT BECAUSE THE TEMPERATURE OUTSIDE TOO, OR DOES IT HIDE TEMPERATURE? WELL, OR DOES IT MATTER? IS IRRELEVANT HERE? IT, IT SHOULDN'T MATTER HERE, UP IN THE FROZEN NORTH COUNTRY, IT WOULD, IT MATTERS WHAT A LOT OF METERS ARE IN BASEMENTS OF HOMES.

MOST HOMES HAVE BASEMENTS UP IN THE NORTH COUNTRY, UH, DOWN HERE.

IT SHOULDN'T MATTER.

AND MOST OF THESE METERS ARE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE ANY SUBMERGED CONDITIONS 'CAUSE YOU GET WATER IN THE, IN YOUR PITS AND SO FORTH.

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AND THAT IS THAT METER MANUFACTURERS ALWAYS TELL YOU ONE THING, BUT YOU DON'T ALWAYS GET WHAT, WHAT YOU WERE TOLD.

RIGHT? I THINK SO, MR. SMITH, UM, IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, AFTER REPLACING A COUPLE OF THOUSAND METERS, THE, THE UNCOUNTED FOR WATER DROP FROM LIKE 27% TO 22.

WELL, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND ALL I, ALL I CAN DO IS LOOK AT THE LA AS THE, THE THREE MONTH QUARTERLY TOTALS.

BUT THAT'S WHAT THE NUMBERS SHOW.

AND IF IT STAY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL CONTINUE TO STAY ON THAT COURSE.

NOW, WE ALSO KNOW THAT, UH, ACCORDING TO YOUR STAFF, THAT IN THE MONTH OF JULY YOU'VE HAD SOME BIG WATER BREAKS.

SO WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS QUESTION, THE IMPROVEMENT AND, UH, METERING MEANS ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THE CITY, THE SAME TOKEN THAT COST MONEY TO INVEST.

SO ROUGHLY WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT PREDICTED TO BE IN THIS OR THE PAYBACK? OH, WELL, THAT'S THE KEY QUESTION.

AND IF I WAS SELLING YOU WATER METERS, I WOULD TELL YOU ONE THING.

UH, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE SELLING THIS ADVICE.

AND SO, AND THERE SHOULD BE NUMBERS TO BACK THAT UP, OBVIOUSLY.

WELL, HERE WE KNOW WHAT IT COSTS TO PUT THE METERS IN COUNSELMAN.

HERE'S, HERE'S A, UH, A A SIMPLE FORMULA IN MY, THE WAY I TRY TO DO THINGS TO KEEP THINGS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE.

WE KNOW THAT IN YOUR SYSTEM, AND YOU CAN DO THIS BY CYCLE AND ROUTES, WHERE WE'VE ALSO LAID OUT THE AVERAGE USAGE OF ALL YOUR RESIDENTIAL ACCOUNTS BY CYCLING ROUTES IN THIS ENTIRE SYSTEM.

UH, IF YOUR AVERAGE USAGE IS 5,000 GALLONS A MONTH, OKAY, OKAY? AND YOU'RE GONNA SPEND $250 TO REPLACE THAT WATER METER, HOW MUCH DO YOU HAVE TO INCREASE? HOW MUCH SALES DO YOU HOPE WILL INCREASE? SO AT LEAST WE GET A 3, 4, 5 YEAR PAYBACK ON THAT WATER METER INVESTMENT THAT SHOULD BE IN THE GROUND FOR AT LEAST 15 YEARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST A FIVE YEAR PAY, UH, NO MORE THAN A FIVE YEAR PAYBACK.

UH, ONLY BECAUSE I'VE JUST SEEN TOO MANY, TOO MANY SMOKING MIRRORS OUT THERE.

TOO MANY PROBLEMS OCCUR.

BUT, BUT IT'S TRUE THOUGH, IS THAT, UH, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE WATER METER IS, IS THAT, UH, WATER METER IS A POINT OF SALE.

YES, SIR.

AND SO WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING SURE THAT OUR POINT OF SALE, THE WAY TO DO POINT OF SALE IS ACCURATE EXACTLY.

AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.

SO WE MAY HAVE TO GO, JUST LIKE AT A, AT A GROCERY STORE, WHEREVER, YOU MAY HAVE TO REPLACE A THOUSAND DOLLARS CASH REGISTER.

AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE MONEYWISE TO DO IT.

BUT YOU HAVE TO DO POINT OF SALE.

AND, AND THE OTHER ISSUE YOU HAVE IS THAT, UH, WHEN YOU HAVE A METER THAT IS INACCURATE, UH, THAT MESSES UP YOUR, UH, YOUR METER RATIO, YOU'RE NOT IN REVENUE, WATER AT THE END.

AND, UH, SO YOU CAN ARGUE THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT NOW, IS THAT, YEAH, I'M GONNA REPLACE THIS METER.

I'M NOT GONNA GET ANY REVENUE FOR IT, OR NOT MUCH.

IT'S GONNA BE A SLOW PAYBACK.

ROI IS SLOW.

SEE, HERE'S, HERE'S AN EXAMPLE FOR YOU RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS A GOOD ONE.

AS YOU GET IN AND LOOKING AT YOUR MEDIA REPLACEMENT COSTS, LET'S SAY YOU GET INTO YOUR LOW USE CUSTOMERS, OKAY? AT YOUR HOUSE, YOU USE 1000 GALLONS A MONTH.

OKAY? YOU HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO THE MAGIC TWO YET, OKAY? SO YOU DON'T PAY ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE MINIMUM BILL.

OKAY? NOW, MODESTO GOES OUT AND THE GUYS CHECK YOUR METER AND THEY SAY, AH, YOU'RE WAY OFF, YOU'RE OFF BY 50% OR SO, YOU SHOULD, WE'RE GONNA REPLACE YOUR METER.

NOW YOU GET THE 2000 GALLONS A MONTH, GUESS WHAT? YOU STILL DON'T PAY ANYTHING 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT OVER THE 2000 GALLON MARK.

OKAY? SO HERE WE, WE PAID THE 250 BUCKS TO REPLACE THE WATER METER, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA TAKE THE MONEY TO THE BANK .

BUT IN THAT CASE, IN THAT CASE, UH, YOU, YOU WERE UNDER METERING AND YOU FOUND A THOUSAND GALLONS OF UNACCOUNTED FOR WATER THAT YOU CAN NOW ACCOUNT FOR, RIGHT? AND IF YOU DO THIS ON MANY, MANY ACCOUNTS, IT STARTS ADDING UP.

THE, WELL, YOU GOT 20%, 20% OF ALL YOUR CUSTOMERS WERE LOW USE.

AND, BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THE ACCOUNTS.

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BUT I, AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THAT CHART AND LOOK AT THE, WHERE THEY FELL BELOW A THOUSAND, A THOUSAND OR UNDER.

BUT DO WE EVER START GETTING A RETURN? ABSOLUTELY, YES.

THAT'S AFTER WE REPLACE ALL THE METERS.

WELL, UH, YOU'RE GONNA REPLACE A LOT OF METERS THAT YOU WON'T GET A RETURN ON, BUT THERE'LL BE MANY METERS YOU WILL GET A RETURN ON.

AND, UH, YOU'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IT DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE DOING SOME REAL CLOSE MONITORING RIGHT NOW.

BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HAVE TO BE ACCURATE REGARDLESS.

IF THERE'S A RETURN ON INVESTMENT OR NOT, THEY HAVE TO BE ACCURATE.

WELL, IF YEAH.

TO GET A RETURN ON INVESTMENT, THE METERS WILL HAVE, THEY SHOULD BE ACCURATE.

IF THE METER'S INACCURATE, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET MUCH OF A RETURN UNLESS IT'S WAY OFF BASE.

WELL, THE OTHER THING IS, WE KNOW THAT, UH, IF IT'S NOT TOMORROW, BUT IT WILL BE SOON, IS, IS THAT, UH, OUR LEGISLATURE WILL LEGISLATE THAT YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY DROP OF WATER.

AND IF YOU DON'T, YOU'LL PAY A FINE.

SO, GOOD, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IF YOU GET BETWEEN, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERYTHING FROM, UH, AUSTIN IS A SMART THING.

BUT THAT'S, UH, IF YOU GET BETWEEN 10 TO 15% RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE DOING REALLY WELL.

AS A RULE.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

SO THANK YOU VERY JIM.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR.

[VISITOR COMMENTS]

UH, OKAY.

NEXT ITEM IS, UH, UH, VISITOR'S COMMENTS.

UH, WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL SIGNED UP FOR VISITOR COMMENTS.

THIS ITEM IS AVAILABLE FOR THOSE CITIZENS WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON ISSUES NOT ON THE AGENDA.

CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS ANY PRESENTATION PRESENTED ISSUE, NOR MAY ANY ACTION BE TAKEN ON ANY ISSUE AT THIS TIME.

ANY ITEM PRESENTED COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA FOR A REGULAR SCHEDULED FUTURE MEETING.

SO WE HAVE MR. ANDREW TON, UH, COUNSEL.

FOLKS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UM, THAT'S A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW 'CAUSE , I'M NOT HERE TO SAVE YOU ANY MONEY.

UH, MY NAME'S ANDREW HESTON AND I AM, UH, RUNNING FOR, UH, COUNTY COURT LAW NUMBER THREE.

UM, IN THE, UH, JAN, UH, SORRY, THE MARCH, UH, PRIMARIES.

I'VE SPENT THE LAST, UH, UH, 10 YEARS AT THE 10 YEARS, GIVE OR TAKE AT THE, UH, DA DA'S OFFICE UP IN ANGLETON.

AND I'M MAKING THE ROUNDS, UH, TO CITY COUNCILS AND, UH, OTHER PLACES JUST TO TRY AND GET MY NAME OUT THERE.

AND, UH, Y'ALL ARE, UH, FIRST ON THE, UH, LIST BECAUSE YOU'RE, UM, FIRST ON THE MONTH .

UM, UH, SO I HAVE, UH, SPENT, UH, THE FEBRUARY OF 10 YEARS, UH, WITH THE, OKAY.

UM, OH, I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

BUT IT'S GOOD FOR YOU TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF, BUT YOU CAN'T GO INTO ANY, ANYTHING MORE BECAUSE WE CAN'T SPEND OKAY.

DOLLARS ON BALLOT PROPOSITIONS AND YOU ARE A BALLOT PROPOSITION.

SO, BUT IT WAS GOOD TO MEET YOU.

JUST INTRODUCTION IS ALL YOU CAN DO.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE A ALRIGHT, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING TO US? UH, IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

THIS IS WHERE ANY MEMBER ON CITY COUNCIL CAN DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON EITHER AGENDA.

UH, DOES ANYBODY NEED TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? NO.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

NOT HEARING ANY.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO CONSENT AGENDA.

CONSENT AGENDA AS IS PRESENTED.

UH, DOES ANYONE WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON HEARING? SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

PRESENT AGENDA IS ONE AND TWO.

I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN BUELL.

SECOND.

A SECOND.

ALRIGHT, WE'LL GIVE IT TO MR. BAKER.

COUNCILMAN BAKER.

SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR OF CONSENT AGENDA, UH, AS PRESENTED.

PEOPLE WITH SCHIZOPHRENIA ARE VERY COMMON.

A ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED.

[1. Discuss the Lake Jackson Police Department's response to mental health crisis. - Heather Melass]

OKIE DOKE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO REGULAR AGENDA, UH, REGULAR AGENDA.

ITEM NUMBER ONE IS DISCUSS LAKE JACKSON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RESPONSE, UH, TO MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS.

UH, THIS IS MS. MEIS.

HELLO, COUNSEL.

STAFF, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME BACK UP HERE.

UM, LAST WEEK I SENT A PACKET.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT ALL CAME THROUGH TO YOU.

I DID SHOW THIS TO SOMEONE TONIGHT AND THEY SAID, GREAT JOB PUTTING A EUROPEAN VEHICLE ON YOUR FIRST RESPONDER SIDE.

SO DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.

SO THERE'S ALREADY ONE.

UM, I MADE THIS RATHER QUICKLY.

UM, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME.

I WAS GONNA WORK ON IT THIS WEEKEND, BUT I SENT IT TO Y'ALL FRIDAY.

UM, BASICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS I AM OPENING AN INTENSIVE OUTPATIENT FACILITY FOR PEOPLE WITH AUTISM AND A DHD.

HOWEVER, OTHER PEOPLE WITH CO-OCCURRING CONDITIONS MAY COME.

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I TREAT A LOT OF SCHIZOPHRENIC PATIENTS.

UM, I WORK PRIMARILY WITH PEDIATRIC WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

AND, UM, THE PEDIATRIC CLIENTS, MOST OF THEM ARE INVOLVED IN COURT CASES, AND THE PARENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO DISCUSS THE COURT CASES WITH THE CHILDREN.

AND SO IF THE CHILD IS A VICTIM OF ABUSE BY A PARENT AND THEY HAVE TO SAY, GO TO COURT TO FACE THEIR ACCUSER OR DROP THE CHARGES, OFTENTIMES THE CHILDREN BECOME HYSTERICAL.

THEY BECOME SUICIDAL, THEY OFTEN WILL CUT THEMSELVES.

AND THIS HAS RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH ONE OF MY CLIENTS.

UM, THE DA STILL HAS NOT CLOSED THE CASE ENTIRELY.

THE MOTHER'S NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO THE CHILD ABOUT ANYTHING, DISCIPLINE THE CHILD, ABOUT ANYTHING.

AND THE CHILD STATED AFTER DOING SOMETHING THAT SHE WAS GOING TO DO MORE HARM TO HERSELF.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOT HAVE ANY WAY THAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO RESPOND IN A WAY THAT THAT YOUNG OFFICER DIDN'T ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT WAS HAPPENING.

SO I STARTED LOOKING AROUND SAN ANTONIO, HOUSTON, DALLAS, ALL OF THE METRO AREAS, HOUSTON, THEY ALL HAVE IT.

AND BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IT'S THE EMERGENCY DETENTION ORDER.

AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ARRESTING THE PERSON TO TRANSPORT THEM TO JAIL.

IT TRANSPORTS THEM TO A PSYCHIATRIC FACILITY.

THANK YOU, .

WHOEVER'S MOVING IT, UM, AN EMERGENCY DISTENTION ORDER ALLOWS THEM TO DETAIN 'EM.

AND IF THEY BELIEVE THE PERSON HAS A MENTAL ILLNESS AND IMPOSE AN IMMEDIATE AND SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF SERIOUS HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS.

SO, IF, UM, A PERSON EXPRESSES A SUICIDAL THOUGHT OR HOMICIDAL THOUGHT, OR THE INTENTION, LIKE, WHEN I GO HOME, I'M GOING TO USE THIS OBJECT AND DO THIS THING.

IF THE PERSON IS SEVERELY DISORIENTED, PSYCHOTIC, OR IN EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT SOMEBODY WHO HAS SCHIZOPHRENIA AND AUTISM.

SO THEY HAVE FLAT AFFECT.

THEY DO NOT PRESENT NORMALLY.

THEY'VE ALREADY ELOPED ENGAGED IN ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES WITH ADULT MALES.

COME BACK, AND I'VE CALLED NOW TWO DAYS IN A ROW.

THE THREE DAYS PRIOR, THE GIRL ATTEMPTED SUICIDE AT SCHOOL.

THE NEXT DAY SHE CAME TO MY OFFICE AND ELOPED WITH GROWN MEN.

THE NEXT DAY SHE CAME TO MY OFFICE AND RAN AWAY.

WE TRACKED HER DOWN, WE GOT HER BACK IN THE OFFICE.

SHE SAID, I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF THROUGH HER PHONE AND RAN AWAY.

THAT'S WHEN I CALLED THE POLICE, AND THE POLICE SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE.

THAT YOUNG WOMAN WENT HOME BECAUSE THE DA HAD DECIDED TO DROP CHARGES AGAINST HER FATHER AND SLICED HER LEGS OPEN, REQUIRING INTENSIVE STITCHES.

IT'S NOT WHAT SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA DO.

SHE SAID SHE WAS GONNA TAKE A BOTTLE OF PILLS, BUT THE CHILD EXPRESSED AN INTENT TO HARM HERSELF.

SHE WAS VERY EMOTIONALLY DISTRESSED.

SHE WAS LITERALLY ON THE FLOOR DOING THE BEGGING THE OFFICER NOT TO TAKE HER.

OH, I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WRONG, I PROMISE THEY'RE JUST OVERREACTING.

THE OFFICER LEAVES HER, SHE GOES ON TO HURT HERSELF.

NOW, WHEN THE CASE CLOSES, THE MOM IS GONNA WANT SOME JUSTICE.

WHAT DO WE HAVE TO OFFER HER? AND SO MY, MY OFFER IS THAT WE USE AN EDO.

IT CAN BE USED, UH, IF SOMEONE'S BELIEVED TO HAVE A MENTAL ILLNESS, POSES A SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS, AND THE RISK IS IMMEDIATE AND THE PERSON CANNOT REMAIN AT LIBERTY SAFELY.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I DON'T NEED 'EM GOING TO JAIL.

I DON'T NEED 'EM GOING ANYWHERE OTHER THAN A CERTIFIED MEDICAL INSTITUTION PER THE LAW THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW.

UM, SO IF, UH, SOME EXAMPLES COULD BE IF THEY THREATEN SUICIDE OR HARM TO OTHERS IF THEY ATTEMPT SELF-INJURY OR SHOW INTENT TO DO SO, DISPLAYING DELUSIONS, HALLUCINATIONS, OR PARANOIA THAT IMPAIR SAFETY, SEVERE EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, PANIC, DETERIORATION OF MENTAL FUNCTIONING AND GRAVE SELF NEGLECT.

UM, ALL OF THESE ARE DEFINED BY THE STATE.

I DIDN'T DO THIS.

AND THEN I ALSO, UM, THANK YOU, UM, FOR THE RATIONALE FOR THE EMERGENCY DETENTION.

UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY.

SO EVEN IF THE PSYCHIATRIC CRISIS IS, IF I HAVE EVALUATED AND I SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON HAS ACCESS TO A SHOTGUN, AND THEY SAY THEY'RE GONNA GO SHOOT THEIR EX-BOYFRIEND, AND I CAN'T CALL THE POLICE, OR I CALL THEM AND THEY SAY, NO, NOTHING'S WRONG HERE, THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT PERSON? TO ME, TO THE OTHER PERSON? AND SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE WHAT COULD WE DO, WHAT WE COULD DO.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING COMES IN.

AND BASICALLY IT LEAVES THEM, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE THIS, THEY'RE WITHOUT CARE.

AND IT PUTS FIRST RESPONDERS IN A GRAY LEGAL AREA BECAUSE NOW WHEN EVERYTHING FINALLY CLOSES AT COURT, WHO'S RESPONSIBLE? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE CHILD WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR HER OWN ACTIONS, BUT SHE'S A LITTLE TEENAGER.

SHE'S NOT SOMEONE WHO'S ABLE TO HANDLE THESE THINGS.

AND I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE MENTAL ILLNESS IS BROUGHT ON BY THE ABUSE.

AND SO AS THESE KIDS CONTINUE TO BE MORE AND MORE ABUSED, THEY BECOME MORE AND MORE MENTALLY ILL.

UM, THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT WAY I PUT TOGETHER A, A VISUAL.

I WAS NOT GONNA MIX ALL OF THIS, BUT UNDER

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TEXAS LAW, THE PEACE OFFICERS ARE AUTHORIZED TO DETAIN INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS OR OTHERS.

UH, HOWEVER, IN LAKE JACKSON, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

EMS CAN'T COME TAKE THEM WITHOUT THE POLICE STATION'S AUTHORITY.

SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN CREATE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT EXISTS BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND WITHOUT THAT, EMS CAN'T HELP US.

BUT EMS HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND, UH, MR. CINI SAID THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS HERE TO HELP US.

AND SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD LOOK TOWARD IS INSTEAD OF LEAVING OUR INDIVIDUALS IN CRISES, GETTING A MEMO, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING SO THAT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, OUR PARAMEDICS, OUR EMS CAN TAKE POSSESSION OF THEM, TRANSPORT THEM TO THE FACILITY AND LEAVE THEM IN THE DESIGNATED FACILITIES CARE.

UM, I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE MORE IF WE COULD GO FORWARD.

SO, UM, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, IT ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THE LEGAL CUSTODY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT CLARIFIES WHEN EMS CAN ACT AND IT REDUCES DELAYS IN CARES AND UNNECESSARY LEGAL LIABILITY.

I FEEL ONE MORE.

UM, AND SO BASICALLY WHAT IT IS, IS THE OFFICER STILL HAS TO SAY IT, THE OFFICER STILL HAS TO COME OUT AND SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON IS PRESENTING A RISK.

AND SO THEN THE, OR THEY CAN SAY EMS COMES OUT AND THEY COME AND GET THEM THE WHAT WE, WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING IS THAT IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.

UM, IS THAT WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR WAY THAT WE CAN SAY IT.

THIS IS WHAT THE ATTORNEYS AT THE A PA ADVISE, BASED ON MY CLINICAL JUDGMENT, I BELIEVE THIS INDIVIDUAL IS MENTALLY ILL AND CURRENTLY POSES A SUBSTANTIAL RISK OF SERIOUS HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS REQUIRING IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY DETENTION AND TRANSPORT TO A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY.

THIS IS ONE OF THE ONES THEY GAVE ME LIKE FIVE, UM, BASED ON MY CLINICAL JUDGMENT.

AND SO BASICALLY IT STATES MENTALLY ILL POSES A SUBSTANTIAL RISK, SERIOUS HARM TO THEMSELVES OR OTHERS REQUIRES EMERGENCY DETENTION AND TRANSPORT.

I DO NOT WANT THESE KIDS GOING TO JAIL.

I WANT THEM TO GO TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN KEEP EYES ON 'EM 24 7, WHO'S NOT GONNA BELIEVE THEM WHEN THEY SAY THEY WON'T DO IT THIS TIME.

I WANT SOMEBODY WHO HAS, I MEAN, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US THAT ARE IN OUR PRACTICE HAVE CLINICAL MENTAL HEALTH DEGREES.

WE HAVE ADVANCED CERTIFICATIONS IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO.

AND IT'S, IT'S DISCONCERTING TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE PREVALENT TO, AS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES BECOME MORE AND MORE PREVALENT.

AND SO THE PROBLEMS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS IN CRISIS CAN'T BE SAFELY TRANSPORTED DUE TO GAPS IN THE CURRENT LAWS AND PROCEDURES.

E-M-S-E-M-S IS NOT PERMITTED TO ASSIST WITHOUT A FORMAL AGREEMENT, AND THE POLICE ARE NOT ALWAYS AVAILABLE OR EQUIPPED TO RESPOND AND TRANSPORT.

SO IF WE IMPLEMENT AN MOU BETWEEN LJPD AND EMS, WE CAN CLARIFY HOW AND WHEN THE TRANSPORT CAN OCCUR AFTER AN AN OFFICER INITIATES EMERGENCY DETENTION.

THIS WOULD GIVE US AS AN OUTCOME, SAFER, FASTER, MORE COMPASSIONATE CRISIS RESPONSE, REDUCE LIABILITY AND CLEARER COORDINATION ACROSS AGENCIES AND PROTECTION FOR THOSE AT RISK.

AND THOSE TRYING TO HELP.

SO IF WE GO ON AND SAY, WELL, WHAT CAN THEY, OH, I HAD ANOTHER ONE IN THERE, BUT I TOOK IT OUT.

UM, IT'S WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? AND SO I HAVE AN EXAMPLE IN THAT PACKET I THINK OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

IF WE COULD GO BACK.

WE JUST CAN'T LEAVE THESE PEOPLE ALONE IN THESE SITUATIONS.

AND SO IF YOU WANT THE PACKAGE YOU SENT US THAT IT, YEAH, I THINK IT'S ON A GREEN SLIDE.

UM, AND SO IS IT IN ONE OF THOSE, HERE'S EXAMPLES OF QUALIFYING, UH, THE SITUATIONS IS THAT THE ONE DISPLAYING DELUSIONS, HALLUCINATIONS, PARANOIA.

SEE, AND I DON'T WANNA COME OUT AND SAY, THIS PERSON HAS AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER, ATTENTION HYPER, YOU KNOW, AND GO THROUGH THEIR WHOLE LIST.

AND IF I'M AFRAID AND I'M GONNA CALL AND GIVE UP MY NEXT CLIENT, WHICH IS MY PAYCHECK TO DEAL WITH THE POLICE TO GET SOMEBODY SAFE, THAT IS THE MOST PRESSING NEED FOR ME.

AND SO IF THE POLICE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE AN ARREST, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY WHERE WE CAN HELP THEM TRANSPORT AND DETAIN NOT ARREST.

AND, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I KNOW THAT THROUGH THE CITY OF HOUSTON, CITY OF SAN ANTONIO AND I, UM, THERE WAS ANOTHER CITY THAT WAS A LARGER, WAS IT DALLAS? THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

AND THAT'S WHY I WENT AND CHECKED IT.

AND SO, UH, THIS IS WHAT I WAS ADVISED, WELL, PART OF IT'S WHAT I WAS ADVISED AND PART OF IT'S THINGS THAT I'VE RESEARCHED, BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO LOOK INTO BECAUSE THE HOMELESS ISSUE IS BECOMING WORSE.

AND I THINK HOMELESSNESS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO MENTAL HEALTH.

AND THE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES ARE GETTING WORSE.

AND IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A PARAMEDIC IN HOUSTON AND HE'S HERE THIS EVENING, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

THEY TRANSPORT THE COPS, SAY, HEY, WE NEED MEDICAL TRANSPORT.

AND THEY COME AND TRANSPORT THEM.

SO IT'S THINGS THAT, THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO.

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THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY, FIRST, YES.

FIRST THE, THE, BASED ON MY CLINICAL JUDGMENT MM-HMM .

THING, PIECE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SAY, UH, MAKES A LOT OF SENSE FOR YOUR OWN LIABILITY AND YOUR OWN LICENSING.

I WOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU FELT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

NOW I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, EVEN LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS, IF AN OFFICER SHOWS UP, SAY YOU CALL AN OFFICER MM-HMM .

AND THEY SHOW UP AND YOU SAY THIS MM-HMM .

AND THE OFFICER MAKES HIS OWN OBSERVATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, THE PATIENT'S CALM, THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.

THEY'RE DENYING IT.

HE HAS THE AUTONOMY TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

BUT YOU'VE COVERED YOURSELF BY SAYING RIGHT.

AND I'M ASKING THAT IT BE THE WRITTEN REPORT BE FILED WITH ME IN 24 HOURS SO I CAN PUT IT IN THEIR MEDICAL RECORD WITHIN THE 72.

AND THAT'S FAIR.

SO AT THAT TIME, IF THE OFFICER BILL S THE PATIENT DOES NEED TO BE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL, SAY, WHICH IS REALLY THE ONLY RESOURCE THEY HAVE TO TRANSPORT A PATIENT TO AT THIS TIME.

SO THE OFFICER WOULD FIRST OF ALL DETERMINE IS THIS PATIENT SAFE? MM-HMM .

IS HE GONNA TRY TO CHOKE MY MEDIC? LIKE IT'S NON-VIOLENT.

IT HAS TO BE NON-VIOLENT.

IS IS THIS PATIENT? THAT'S THE FIRST THING THEY HAVE TO DETERMINE.

IS THIS PERSON GOING TO TRY TO CHOKE MY MEDIC TO DEATH? RIGHT.

AND NO, HE'S SAFE TO DO THAT.

OUR MEDICS, MY UNDERSTANDING, NUMBER ONE, THE OFFICER CAN TRANSPORT THEMSELVES.

I JUST HAD THAT HAPPEN.

A PATIENT THAT WAS SUICIDAL AND HOMICIDAL.

SHOWED UP ON MY FRONT PORCH OFFICER DID A PHENOMENAL JOB.

AND DID THEY REMOVE THE PERSON? THEY DID.

THEY TOOK HIM TO THE HOSPITAL.

THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.

BUT THAT WAS AT HIS JUDGMENT.

BECAUSE THE GUY SAID, I'M GONNA DO THIS AND I'M GONNA DO THAT TO THE OFFICER.

UM, I HAD TOLD HIM THAT HE HAD SAID THAT TO ME, BUT THEN THE PATIENT SAID IT HIMSELF TO THEM.

SO THE OFFICER WAS ABLE TO TRANSPORT.

NOW IT WAS A, I DON'T SEE ANY SCENARIO TO WHERE, AND I GUESS WHAT I'M CONFUSED ABOUT IS, AND CHIEF, BOTH CHIEFS HERE, IF YOU CAN TELL ME IS THERE ANYTHING IN THIS PACKET THAT WE'RE NOT ALREADY DOING? BECAUSE IF THERE'S ANY GAPS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, WE NEED TO ADDRESS 'EM.

CERTAINLY.

UM, BUT CHRIS, YOU CAN NEVER TRANSPORT A PATIENT BECAUSE A THIRD PARTY SAYS THEY'RE SUICIDAL OR HOMICIDAL IF THAT PATIENT DOESN'T WANNA VOLUNTARILY GO.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

YEP.

EVEN UNLESS THE OFFICER SAYS, HEY, I'M MAKING THE JUDGMENT, THIS PERSON IS THIS OR THAT, AND I'M GONNA RIDE WITH YOU, OR I'LL BE RIGHT BEHIND YOU OR WHATEVER Y'ALL WORK OUT.

THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY IT CURRENTLY WORKS.

JUST TO ADD TO THAT QUESTION IS, IS THAT IF YOU ARRIVE AT SOMEBODY'S HOME, SOMEBODY CALLS YOU AND, AND SAYS, HEY, MY HUSBAND'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK, AND YOU ARRIVE AND THEY ARE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, THE HUSBAND SAYS, I DON'T WANNA GO TO HOSPITAL.

THEY CAN SIGN A PIECE OF PAPER SAYING I REFUSE TRANSPORTATION, AND THEY CAN STAY AT HOME AND PASS AWAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ABSOLUTELY.

YOU CANNOT FORCE THEM INTO THAT AMBULANCE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

UNLESS AN OFFICER AND THE OFFICERS NOW CURRENTLY CAN DO AN EDO IN THE FIELD.

SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN THAT EXAMPLE, IN THAT SCENARIO, IN THAT ARRESTING SOMEONE, UH, HAVING PROBABLE CAUSE THAT THEY BROKE THE LAW, YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY BEING A PEACE OFFICER TO TAKE THAT PERSON INTO CUSTODY.

YOU TAKE THEIR LIBERTIES AWAY IN A SITUATION OF MENTAL ILLNESS.

AND ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS IN 5 73, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE, THAT IT'S THE SAME THING WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.

WE DO HAVE THE AUTHORITY AS POLICEMEN IN THAT IMMEDIATE SITUATION TO TAKE A PERSON'S CUSTODY, TAKE THEIR FREEDOMS SO WE CAN, AGAINST THEIR WILL DO SOMETHING.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENS AND THEN YOU HAVE FILE PAPERWORK.

ONE THING WE CAN AGREE ON IS THIS IS AN INCREASING OCCURRENCE.

UH, CERTAINLY OVER DECADES IN MY CAREER.

BUT WE DO HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

WE ISSUE, WE CURRENTLY OPERATE THAT WAY.

AND CHIEF, WE, WE ISSUE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE ISSUE EDS MONTHLY, OH, NO.

WEEKLY, PROBABLY THESE, THESE SORT OF CALLS HAPPEN.

Y DON'T DO EEDS.

EMS DOES NOT DO THAT IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR SCOPE.

THAT IS ENFORCE SCOPE OF THE OFFICER.

THAT'S THE MCO THAT I'M REQUESTING.

THAT'S THE MUTUAL, THAT'S THE MEMORANDUM THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO IT.

THERE IS A MEMORANDUM.

THE M UT THE MOU WOULD NOT ALLOW EMS TO ISSUE A EDO.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THE STATE SAID.

IT WILL NOT, IT WILL NOT.

YOU, IT CANNOT, THAT POWER CANNOT BE TRANSFERRED OVER TO ANY EMS TO ANY, IT ALWAYS HAS TO DO WITH THAT TO ANY EMS. RIGHT.

IT'S WITH THE OFFICER.

BUT THE MCO O ALLOWS THEM TO TRANSPORT.

BUT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT ABILITY.

AND SO

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THIS IS NOT AN OPTION.

WE OPERATE THAT WE CAN, WE CAN, WE ALREADY OPERATE THAT WAY WITHOUT AN MOU.

I THINK THAT THE CRITICAL PIECE OF IS, IS THE, THE, WHAT THE WORD IS, THE CLINICAL JUDGMENT.

SO THE CLINICAL JUDGMENT COMING FROM YOU MEANS DIFFERENT THAN COMING FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT, HAS A RIGHT CLINICAL JUDGMENT.

I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE THAT CLINICAL JUDGMENT, BUT YOU MIGHT.

SO UNLESS YOU ARE THERE PRESENT, YOU CAN'T ASK THE THE OFFICER TO.

AND THAT'S THE CLINICAL JUDGMENT, THAT CLINICAL IS THE KEY WORD HERE.

AND I'M ASKING THEM TO LISTEN TO MY CLINICAL JUDGMENT.

AND THAT'S, I THINK IF WE ASK MR. CINI, AND I MAY BE WRONG, BUT I THINK IF WE ASK HIM HIS PERCEPTION, HE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT INSIGHT'S.

ALL I'M SAYING, I DON'T KNOW.

I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO HIM ABOUT THIS.

BUT I, I I GUESS WHERE I, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS HE DOES NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY AS, FROM THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, THERE ARE OTHER PIECES TO IT.

LET'S LET HIM, AND WHETHER OR NOT HE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE GONNA SAY ANYTHING, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ASK HIM HIS PERCEPTION AS THE PROFESSIONAL UN UNFORTUNATELY, EXCUSE ME, I'M LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY WE DO RELY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, WHETHER IT BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OR THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE AN EDO IN ORDER FOR US TO, TO LEGALLY TRANSPORT SOMEBODY WHO IS CONSIDERED INVOLUNTARY.

IF THEY'RE VOLUNTARY AND THEY RE ARE REQUESTING TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY'RE WILLING TO GET INTO THE AMBULANCE ON THEIR OWN, THAT'S NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE.

THE CHALLENGE IS EVEN WITH AN MOU, THE MOU SIMPLY SAYS CHIEF KIBITO WOULD HAVE TO SIGN AN EDO PLACE, AN EDO ON A PERSON, AND THEN IT ALLOWS US TO TRANSPORT WITHOUT OFFICER PRESENCE TO THE HOSPITAL.

UH, IT DOES NOT AUTHORIZE US TO PUT AN EDO ON ANY PARTICULAR PERSON AT CHIEF THE WAY WE'RE OPERATING TODAY.

DO YOU NEED A MOU? NOT THAT I SEE.

HE SAID THAT IT KEEPS THEM FROM HAVING TO GO THERE.

SO HERE'S, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AS SOMEBODY IN THIS FIELD WHO HAS HAD TO HAVE PROBABLY FIVE TOTAL, NEVER ONCE HERE, I ALWAYS GO THROUGH THE COUNTY AND I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PERSON AND I'M BRINGING SOMETHING TO YOU, TELLING YOU THAT THERE ARE SOLUTIONS THAT OTHER CITIES USE AND SAYING, THERE'S NOTHING MORE WE CAN DO HERE.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE HEARING.

IT'S THAT ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT FORTH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EMS CANNOT DO AN EDO.

BUT WITH THE MOU, THEY CAN SERVE AN EDO AND, AND THE CHIEF IS SAYING NO, THEY CANNOT LEGALLY NO.

WHAT THEY CAN'T SAY THAT HE CAN'T ISSUE AN EDO AND THAT THEM GO GET IT, GO GET THE PERSON FOR THE ED NO, THE OFFICER WOULD STILL HAVE TO NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

IF THE OFFICER SIGNED THE EDO UHHUH, THEY COULD DISPATCH EMS THERE.

BUT WE HAVE BUT E DOESN'T WANNA GO TO SOMEONE WHO'S UNWILLING WITHOUT AN OFFICER PRESENT TELLING THEM TO GET IN THE RIGHT.

THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT TODAY WE ALREADY HAVE THAT FUNCTION WITHOUT A MOU.

IF, IF AN OFFICER ISSUES AN EDO, OKAY.

SO, AND BELIEVE AND BELIEVES THAT HE NEEDS, AND IF THE OFFICER DOESN'T EMS ASSISTANCE, THEN HE CAN CALL EMS. BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL, AS THE LAW SAYS, IT'S STILL ALWAYS IN THE OFFICER'S HANDS TO DECIDE TO ISSUE AN EDO DISCRETION.

HOWEVER, THE OFFICER IS NOT JUDGMENT.

JUDGMENT.

THE OFFICER IS NOT HIGHLY QUALIFIED IN MENTAL HEALTH CARE, NOR DO THEY KNOW THE SITUATION THAT THE PERSON IS IN, NOR DO THEY KNOW THE PRIMARY, IF PRIMARY INFORMATION, NOR DO THEY KNOW WHY THE PARENT CAN'T INTERACT.

NOR DO THEY KNOW ANY OF THESE THINGS.

THEY JUST SEE A LITTLE GIRL AND US OLD LADIES BEING, OH NO.

BUT REALLY THIS LITTLE GIRL WENT HOME AND HARMED HERSELF BAD.

SO THERE'S ONE OTHER PART WE'RE MISSING IN THIS.

WE WORK, AS I'VE EMPHASIZED BEFORE, IN THE IMMEDIATE FOR SITUATIONS THAT ARE, IF YOU WANNA SAY OUT OF CONTROL AT THAT MOMENT, THAT THE LAW GIVES US THAT AUTHORITY.

BUT THERE'S ALSO APPLICATIONS THAT THEY COULD, THAT CAN BE MADE NOT BY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR PROFESSIONALS FOR MENTAL HEALTH WARRANTS.

AS THINGS PROGRESS IN THIS KNOWLEDGE, ONGOING BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS, UH, MENTAL CRISIS.

IF A PERSON NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY, THEN THEY CAN GET A WARRANT FOR THAT PERSON.

AND THAT GIVES THE THE HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL.

TOLD ME THEY'RE GOING TO HARM THEMSELVES, THEN THEY GO HOME AND HARM THEMSELVES SELF.

HOW DO I GET A WARRANT FOR A PERSON? A JUDGE WOULD ISSUE A MENTAL HEALTH WARRANT.

AND SO IF YOU TALK WITH THE MENTAL HEALTH DEPUTY NOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DO HAVE A LOT MORE EXPERIENCE YES.

THAN WE DO AS LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

'CAUSE WE DON'T, WE DEAL WITH MENTAL HEALTH WARRANTS.

WE DEAL IN IMMEDIATE MENTAL CRISIS.

I TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES AND SOMEONE ELSE AT THAT VERY MOMENT.

I THINK THIS IS JUST WHERE WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY KIND OF RESOLUTION.

BECAUSE WHAT I'M SAYING IS, THIS PERSON

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AND NOBODY SEES THE DISCONNECT.

AND I'VE BEEN FOR 15 YEARS WORKING IN AN EMERGENCY ROOM.

SO I ABSOLUTELY SEE THE DISCONNECT.

AND THE PROBLEM IS, AND WHAT HE'S, AND MAYBE WE'RE JUST THE GAP A LITTLE BIT AND IS IF A PATIENT COMES IN, SAY THEY'RE 18 YEARS OLD, AND I GET A MA NO, NO, NO, NO.

LET'S START WHAT I'M SAYING.

LEMME FINISH.

IF THE PATIENT COMES IN, THEY'RE 18, AND MOM OR DAD BRINGS 'EM IN AND THEY, I GO TO TRI AND THEY SAY THEY'VE BEEN OUT OF CONTROL AT HOME.

HE HAS THREATENED TO HARM HIS SISTER.

HE IS THREATENED TO HARM US.

YOU KNOW, ALL THIS SORT OF STUFF.

AND THAT KID'S SITTING THERE AND THEY'RE CALM AND THEY'RE COLLECTED AND WE CLEAR THEM MEDICALLY.

THEY'RE NOT HIGH ON ANYTHING.

THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY SORT OF MEDICAL ISSUES.

WE HAVE TO CLEAR THEM AND LET THEM GO HOME.

WE CANNOT CONTROL WHAT THEY DO WHEN THEY GO HOME.

I CANNOT LET THEM GO HOME.

I AM LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO MAKE SURE THIS PERSON DOES NOT REMAIN AT LIBERTY.

SO ARE WE.

SO ARE WE RIGHT.

BUT YOU'RE, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING.

BUT SO THEY TELL ME, HEATHER, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS.

YOUR LICENSE DEPENDS ON THIS.

SO I GO AND DO ALL THIS RESEARCH.

WE ARE NOT THE ONLY CITY WITH THIS PROBLEM.

MOST OF THE BIG MUNICIPALITIES HAVE GONE ON OR THEY'VE HIRED FULL-TIME MENTAL HEALTH PEOPLE.

AND I GUESS MY REAL PROBLEM, THIS REALLY IRKS ME TONIGHT.

WHEN I PULLED IN AND I SAW THE CITIZENS ON PATROL CAR, WE HAVE THE MONEY TO HAVE A CITIZENS ON PATROL, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY FOR MENTAL HEALTH.

THAT SEEMS LIKE SOME REALLY MISALIGNED VALUES.

WELL, IT'S A DIFFERENT, IT'S A DIFFERENT PRICE ALSO.

BUT YOU HEAR OUT THERE IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

IT IS.

ALL I'M ASKING FOR IS ONE PERSON TO COME OR TO LISTEN OR TO DO SOMETHING.

EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.

BUT WE, BUT NOBODY'S DOING, DOING.

WE'RE RESTRICTED, BUT WE'RE RESTRICTED ON WHAT WE CAN DO.

LAW ENFORCEMENT IS RESTRICTED ON WHAT THEY CAN DO.

WHAT ACTUALLY THEY CAN TAKE IT.

AND WE CAN'T ASK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR AUTHORITY TO DO IT.

SO WHAT, 'CAUSE AS SOON AS WE ASK COUNSEL, AS SOON AS THEY GO DO SOMETHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THEIR LEGAL ABILITY TO DO IT, IS GUESS WHAT HAPPENS? WE GET SUED OR WE GET SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENS OR WHATEVER.

OR SAY IF WE, IF WE GO OVER THERE AND SAY, WE DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND WE TAKE THAT YOUNG GIRL TO THE, THE P TO THE POLICE, UH, TO THE, TO, TO THE HOSPITAL OR WHATEVER IS, AGAIN, IT COULD BE, THEY COULD BE IN AN ACCIDENT OR WHATEVER WE WHAT IF TO DEATH.

AND THAT CHILD COULD BE BEFORE THEY, THEIR LAST BREATHING BREATH WOULD BE SAYING IS, IS THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO GO HERE ANYWAY.

SO IT'S, IT'S JUST A TOUGH SITUATION.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THEIR LAST DYING BREATH IN MY OFFICE.

SO, BUT, BUT IT'S JUST, I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN, THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

WILL IT, WILL IT FIX YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION? I MEAN, ISSUE, IT MAY HELP, BUT IT IT WON'T, IT WON'T GET IT TO WHERE YOU CAN JUST SAY, I WANT THIS PERSON TRANSPORTED CHRIS TRANSPORT THIS PERSON.

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

HOWEVER, I DO WORK WITH SHANE VANDER GRIFT ON THE REGULAR.

AND SO THAT'S HOW I GOT WITH THEM IS BECAUSE SHANE SAID, HEATHER, I'M NOT IN RIGHT NOW.

CAN YOU GET LJPD? RIGHT.

AND SO I GOT LJPD, SHANE AND I HAVE WORKED LIKE THIS FIVE YEARS.

NO ISSUES EVER.

AND THEN THE FIRST TIME I TRIED TO DEAL WITH LJPD, THIS IS WHAT I'M COMING ACROSS AND IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.

Y'ALL.

IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE.

BUT, BUT SHANE ALSO HAVE DEPUTIES, SO YEAH.

WHY, WHY? IT DOES.

SO WHY DIDN'T HE DISPATCH? BECAUSE THERE'S THREE WHEN HIS DEPUTIES TWO, THERE'S DEPUTIES, THERE'S ASSISTED LAKE JACKSON OFFICERS, THERE'S THREE.

THEY WERE ALL THREE OUT BECAUSE THEY SERVED ALL OF OUR COUNTIES.

SO ONE WAS UP IN MANVILLE, ONE WAS OVER TOWARD GALVESTON.

SHANE WAS OFF THAT DAY AND SOMEBODY ELSE WAS OUT.

ONE THING.

SO ALL OF THEM, I MEAN, AND THAT'S THE THING IS WHY DON'T WE AS MS. JACKSON DEAL WITH IT.

ONE THING THAT, UH, I'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO AND, UH, LOOKING IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER CITIES, WHAT THEY, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TOOLS WE'VE GIVEN THE OFFICERS TO DO STUFF, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OTHER CITIES HAVE DONE IS THAT THEY HAVE AN OFFICER GOES TO A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND THEY HAVE A TABLET.

AND IN THAT TABLET IT HAS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU GO THROUGH AND IT HAS AN ALGORITHM OR WHATEVER IN THE BACK OF IT.

STUFF LIKE THAT.

IT HELPS THAT OFFICER MAKE A DETERMINATION OF DO WE DO IT'S THE TRAINING.

SMIRKED THE SAME SMIRK I HAD SEEN FROM A, AN ADMINISTRATOR IN A PREVIOUS MEETING.

I MEAN, IT'S A PHQ NINE.

BUT THE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE TELLING YOU A SUICIDAL SCHIZOPHRENIC, HOMICIDAL, SCHIZOPHRENIC HAS ACCESS TO A WEAPON, AND I GOT THEM ADMITTED THROUGH, I, I SKIPPED LJPD, THE NEXT CASE, THE NEXT DAY, SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T EVEN MY CLIENT SHOWS UP AT MY OFFICE, GONNA KILL SOMEBODY WITH A SHOTGUN.

I WAS SO SCARED OF LJPD THAT I ENDED UP HAVING TO SIT WITH THIS WOMAN FOR THREE HOURS, DROVE HER MYSELF IN MY PRIVATE CAR ALONE TO THE HOSPITAL, AND SAT WITH HER ALL THE WAY THROUGH CHECK-IN, BECAUSE I DO NOT BELIEVE I'M GETTING SUPPORTED.

AND THERE'S A PARTICULAR SI DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DON'T THINK YOU'RE GETTING SUPPORT BY, BY SUPPORTED DO YOU MEAN THAT YOU TELL THEM THIS AND YOU'RE NOT? SO, AND WHEN I CALLED THE NEXT DAY, THE COP LAUGHED AND

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IT IS A CULTURE OF DISDAIN.

I'M JUST, I'M GONNA JUST TELL YOU, I I LITERALLY JUST HAD FOUR OFFICERS HERE AT OUR LAST MEETING.

I HAVE LIST OF GOOD OFFICERS YEAH.

LISTS OF THEM THAT MY CLIENTS TODAY A NEW ONE JUST SENT ME, 'CAUSE I SAY, SEND ME THE LIST OF OFFICERS.

THERE WAS A GARRETT TODAY THAT SOMEBODY TALKED TO DID A GREAT JOB.

AND SO WE KEEP A LIST OF THE OFFICERS WHO ARE SUPPORTIVE AND KIND AND CARING TO MY CLIENTS.

THEY'LL BE LIKE, HEY, OFFICER GARRETT WAS REALLY HELPFUL.

AND I SAID, LET ME KNOW.

'CAUSE I WANNA TELL THE PEOPLE.

I DO HAVE A LIST OF GOOD OFFICERS WHO ARE REALLY HELPFUL TO US.

I CAN'T SAY THEY'RE GOOD OR BAD OFFICERS, BUT THEY'RE HELPFUL TO MY CLIENTS.

MOST OF MY CLIENTS DON'T NEED TO BE TAKEN AWAY.

LIKE I SAID, IN FIVE YEARS, MAYBE FIVE.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF 'EM HAS BEEN SCHIZOPHRENIC.

AND I MEAN, THERE IS A VERY TRIED AND TRUE THING.

SO IF I TELL YOU I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THIS WITH THIS CLIENT FOR TWO YEARS, THEY'RE SCHIZOPHRENIC.

THEY'RE OFF THEIR MEDS.

THAT'S MY CLINICAL JUDGMENT.

AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS SAY THAT.

I THINK I'M JUST SAYING FOR DOCUMENTATION PERSONS AS A NURSE, THAT WE DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT.

KEEP SAYING THAT.

REQUEST THOSE REPORTS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YEAH.

WHEN THE LITTLE GIRL GOES HOME OR THE OTHER PERSON GOES AND SOMEONE GETS HURT, WHERE'S OUR LIABILITY? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

NOT MINE.

IF THEY'RE, THEY'RE ED, SAY THAT SAME OLD GIRL'S TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL.

THE OFFICER SAYS, YEP, LOAD IT UP, LET'S GO.

AND THEY'RE TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL.

THEY GET THERE.

THE ER DOCTOR THEN ASSUMES AUTHORITY.

AND THEY'RE CLEARED MEDICAL BEING SENT HOME.

THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S NOT MINE.

BUT IT'S STILL THE SAME END RESULT.

THEIR PATIENT, MY RESULT, MY LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY IS TO PUT THEM INTO A PROVIDER'S CARE.

THAT IS MY LEGAL RESPONS RESPONSIBILITY.

YOUR LEGAL, YOUR LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY IS YOU HAND THAT RESPONSIBILITY OFF TO THE OFFICER.

THE OFFICER HAS TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT AND THAT DETERMINATION.

DO I DO AN EDO? HOW MANY CHILDREN GET INJURED AND THEN THE CITY GETS SUED? ? THAT'S JUST WHERE WE ARE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.

BUT THE FAILURE TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE, I GUESS I, I GUESS WHERE, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, IS YOU, YOU SAY YOU HAVE A PATIENT THAT HAS THIS SITUATION.

AND IF, IF I GO TO ANY GP AND UH, WELL, HECK, IF YOU GO TO A DENTIST NOWADAYS, THEY'LL TAKE YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE AND YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE'S TOO HIGH IS THEY'LL CALL AN AMBULANCE.

THEY'LL SEND YOU TO EMERGENCY ROOM.

'CAUSE YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE'S TOO HIGH.

WHY CAN'T YOU DO THAT? WHY CAN'T YOU PICK UP THE PHONE? I'M ABOUT TO HAVE MY DOCTORATE.

MAYBE I WILL THEN, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

I I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID TOO.

AND I WAS TOLD, NO, YOU'LL HAVE TO HAVE A COP COME.

POLICE OFFICER.

I DIDN'T REALIZE COP WAS BAD WHEN I SAW CITIZENS ON PATROL.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CALLED.

BUT APPARENTLY I'VE BEEN INSULTING SAYING COPS.

MY DAD WAS A COP.

I'VE BEEN A COP'S KID.

TO ME, BEING A COP IS JUST, HOW YOU SAY IT, PD.

I MEAN, IT WAS JUST MY, MY VERNACULAR.

AND SO WHAT I'M DOING IS I'M TRYING TO BUILD A BRIDGE FROM MY CLIENT TO HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, MANY OF WHOM WILL NEVER SPEAK TO A POLICE OFFICER OTHER THAN TO REPORT A CRIME.

THAT'S WHAT 90% OF ALL POLICE INTERACTIONS FOR MY CLIENTS ARE, IS JUST REPORTING CLI CRIMES.

WHEN I CALL THE ONE TIME I'VE CALLED LAKE JACKSON IN FIVE YEARS, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS.

AND THEN THE VERY NEXT DAY I GET A SCHIZOPHRENIC WHO ISN'T MINE, WHO GOES TO THE SENATOR'S OFFICE.

THIS IS WHAT I'M DEALING WITH.

THESE PEOPLE NEED HELP.

THEY'RE COMING TO ME.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

AND I'M SOMEHOW TASKED WITH THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES.

AND SO I SAY, OKAY, GO TO THE POLICE.

BUT THEY SAY, IF YOU CALL THE POLICE, I'M GONNA KILL MYSELF IF YOU DO THIS NOW I KNOW I CAN'T GIVE INTO THAT.

THAT'S WHY I CALL SHANE AND SHANE COMES AND HELPS ME.

FIVE YEARS NEVER REACHED OUT TO LJPD FOR THIS.

SO YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT SHANE WOULD'VE COME, SHANE WOULD'VE SEEN THE SAME INDIVIDUAL AND WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION.

HE SAID, PLEASE GET THE OFFICER TO STAY THERE.

I HAVE TEXT MESSAGES THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.

MODESTO SAW IT.

THERE ARE, I I KNOW SHANE PERSONALLY.

AND I THINK IF SHANE FELT THAT HIGHLY THAT HE NEEDED AN OFFICER TO STAY THERE, HE WOULD'VE NOTIFIED THE CHIEF OR HE WOULD'VE NOTIFIED.

DO YOU WANNA READ SHANE IN MY TEXT? CAN I FINISH? CAN I JUST FINISH? YES.

I, I FEEL AND BEEN WORKING WITH SHANE THAT HE WOULD'VE NOTIFIED THE CHIEF, UH, THE SUPERVISOR THAT'S ON DUTY, THAT THAT'S WHAT HE WANT THAT OFFICER TO DO AT THAT TIME.

AND THAT OFFICER PROBABLY WOULD'VE RESPONDED TO HIS, I'LL DO THAT NEXT TIME.

YEAH, I WILL DO THAT.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA TO HAVE HIM CALL.

I WHAT THEY SAID IS, WHEN I CALLED OUT THERE, HE SAID, OKAY, CALL MY OFFICE.

I CALLED.

HE SAID, I CALLED THE LADY THERE.

SHE SAID, WELL, YOU HAVE TO START AT YOUR LOCAL MUNICIPALITY.

I'VE NEVER STARTED HERE.

SO I CALLED HERE AND THIS IS HOW IT ALL WENT DOWN.

AND SO I SAID, JUST WAIT FOR HIM.

WE WERE WAITING.

THE OFFICER DID AN AMAZING JOB.

WE WERE WAITING FOR LIKE AN HOUR FOR SHANE'S GUY TO GET THERE, BUT HE WAS UP IN MANVILLE AND HE CAME, GET DOWN.

I TOLD THE LITTLE GIRL, I WON'T SEE YOU ANYMORE.

AND SO WE WERE WAITING AND WAITING AND IT GOT WORSE AND WORSE.

AND SO AT THAT POINT, I WAS LIKE,

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WE'RE DONE.

BUT I THINK IF YOU TALKED TO, BUT NOW SHE'S BACK.

'CAUSE SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYBODY.

BUT I THINK IF YOU TALK TO SHANE AND SHANE, PHIL, IF IT'S THAT BAD AND IF THAT'S WRONG, THAT HE WOULD COMMUNICATE AND, AND, AND HE WORKED WELL WITH ALL THE OFFICERS HERE.

HE WORKED WELL.

ALL.

AND, AND IF HE THINK IT'S THAT BAD THAT HE WOULD NOTIFY THE PROPER AUTHORITY, WELL THEN I WILL DO THAT.

OH, THE PROPERTY SUPERVISOR AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, BECAUSE I COULD YOU STAY HERE? COULD YOU, COULD YOU HAVE AN OFFICER STAY HERE AND WAIT UNTIL ONE OF MY OFFICERS DO YOU THE TEXT? I, I CAN READ IT AFTERWARDS, BUT WE GOT IT'S IN HERE.

IT'S LITERALLY I DID, HE SAID, BUT IT'S NOT IN THERE THAT HE SAID YEAH.

FROM SHANE DIRECTLY ON HIS PERSONAL.

BUT I FEEL IF SHANE NEEDED AN OFFICER, HE WOULD'VE, THAT WOULD THE PROPERTY AUTHORITY.

WELL ASKED THAT.

NEITHER ONE OF US WERE THINKING THAT WE WERE WAITING.

AND I SAID, HOW FAR AWAY? AND HE'S SAID, 37 MINUTES.

AM I CORRECT, CHIEF OR NOT? CORRECT.

I MIGHT BE OVER SPEAKING.

HE DIDN'T, DIDN'T KNOW SHANE.

WE ALL KNOW SHANE.

HE KNOWS SHANE.

WHEN I SAID SHANE, THEY SAID WHO? SHANE THE CHIEF.

KNOW SHANE.

OH, SHANE, OKAY.

MAYBE MODESTO WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO SHANE WAS.

I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO SHE WAS.

WE ALL WORKED THE STREETS TOGETHER.

WE ALL GREW.

I KNOW SHANE COME A LOT TOO.

WE WORK DEALS AND WE ALL INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND WE KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER, EACH OFFICER DOES.

AND I WORKED IN THE ER WHERE HE COMES TO DO.

OH, I KNOW.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IN THE MEETING, THEY SAID, WHO, SHANE? I SAID, SHANE, VANDER.

GRIFF.

WE HAD SOMEBODY COME OVER AND TRAIN AFTER.

PLEASE.

NO, I'M NOT DOING THIS TO LIKE BE ANYTHING OR DO ANYTHING.

AND THAT MAKES ME WANNA GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, LOOKING AT THE, THE THINGS ON THE MOU.

ARE WE ALREADY DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS? YES.

IS EVERYTHING IN HERE ALREADY IN PLACE? ARE WE ALREADY OPERATING IN THIS MANNER? YES.

SO I HAVE A, SOMETHING TO SAY THAT I DID NOT APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT ABOUT CITIZENS AND PATROL.

UH, I KNOW THEM VERY WELL.

I WAS PART OF THE ORGANIZATION AND THOSE GUYS VOLUNTEERED THEIR TIME.

PLEASE LET ME FINISH, I'LL LET YOU TALK THIS WHOLE TIME THAT YOU WERE TALKING, I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU.

SO THEY SPEND THEIR TIME, THEIR PERSONAL TIME AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES TO KEEP THE CITY SAFE.

AND ALL THEY DO IS OBSERVE A REPORT THAT'S ALL THEIR, ALL THEIR MISSION IS.

SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THAT CLEAR.

CORRECT, CHIEF.

AND THE VEHICLE THEY USED WAS ONE THAT WAS TAKEN OUTTA SERVICE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN JUST GOTTEN RID OF.

AND REALLY THE ONLY COST ASSOCIATED THAT IS THE STRIPING.

BUT CAN YOU SEE WHERE NO, I CAN'T SEE WHERE SOMEONE ON THE, I MEAN, I'VE BEEN WITH THE COPS TOO.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN PUT OUR TIME AND MONEY AND ENERGY INTO THIS, BUT WE CAN'T PUT IT INTO MENTAL HEALTH.

IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO DRIVE THEIR CAR, PUTTING THEIR TIME AND ENERGY INTO IT.

IT'S NOTHING THAT CITY IS NOT, I JUST, THIS IS, THIS IS MY JOB.

BUT WHEN I DON'T DO, WHEN I'M NOT AT WORK, I'M PUTTING MY TIME AND ENERGY INTO THESE PEOPLE.

WHEN I'M NOT DOING MY JOB, I'M PUTTING MY TIME AND ENERGY IN.

AND I GUESS WITH WHAT GERALD'S SAYING IS, IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK, THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE THEM.

THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY TAKE THEM.

THEY CAN.

WHAT IF THEY OBSERVE? IF THEY'RE OBSERVING SOMEONE HAVING A HEART ATTACK? THEY CAN'T, THAT PERSON CAN'T SAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO.

THEY, THEY CAN DIE.

THEY CAN DENY.

THEY DON'T WANNA GO.

DON'T THINK THEY CAN TAKE THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL.

IF MODESTO CALLS THEM AND SAYS, CHRIS, CAN YOU TAKE THEM AGAINST THEIR WILL? NO, SIR.

WE CANNOT.

IF MODESTO CALLS AND SAYS, I'M HAVING A HEART ATTACK TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL.

IF OFFICER COMES IN OR EMS COMES IN AND DON'T OBSERVE ME HAVING A HEART ATTACK, AND I SAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO, I'M NOT GOING.

WELL, THEY CAN.

CHRIS, LET'S CLARIFY THIS.

YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT ALL THE INSTRUMENTS ON THIS PERSON AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE HAVING A HEART ATTACK, WE NEED TO TRANSPORT YOU.

THEY CAN STILL SAY, I DON'T WANT TO GO.

SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE ALERT AND ORIENTED TIMES FOUR AND A PRESENT, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT PASSED THAT, YEAH.

WE WOULD FALL WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF RIGHT.

IMPLIED CONSENT.

WE CAN'T TAKE MODESTO'S WORD, HEART MAKE DECISION.

YOU HAVE TO OBSERVE ME HAVING A HEART ATTACK, WHICH WILL BE THE SYMPTOMS. YEAH.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, HE NEEDS, HE'S ALLOWED A MATTER OF THE SYMPTOMS ARE EVALUATION.

THE DIAGNOSIS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT.

SO AS LONG AS YOU'RE ORIENTED AND OR CO IF YOU WILL, LET ME JUST CLARIFY.

SO YEAH, HEATHER, WHAT YOU, YOU CAME TO US TONIGHT FOR WAS EXPLAINED TO US ABOUT MOUS AND, UH, ASKING IF THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION TO WHAT, UH, YOU, YOU, YOU BROUGHT, UH, AN, AN ISSUE TO US.

AND, UH, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT, UH, ON TOP OF THAT, NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF US, UH, FINDING THE FUNDING TO SUPPORT A FULL-TIME, UH, PERSON TO DO.

I'VE ALREADY OFFERED TO HELP WITH THAT.

THAT WE WOULD BE PULLING, YOU KNOW, PULLING IN THAT HAS ADDITIONAL TRAINING AND OR, YOU KNOW, AND EXPERIENCE.

TO DO, UH, MENTAL, UH, MENTAL HEALTH, UH, EVALUATIONS.

BUT, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

UH, BUT, UH, STILL IT'S, FOR A FULL-TIME OFFICER, IT WOULD BE SIMILAR, SIMILAR TO SOMEONE WHO'S MORE TRAINED THAN THE NORMAL OFFICER.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE OUR OWN CHAIN.

IT IT WOULD BE OUR OWN CHAIN OR OUR MENTAL HEALTH DEPUTY THAT,

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BUT THAT'S WHY, AND THAT'S THE KEY.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE, AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A COST THAT MOST COMMUNITIES CANNOT AFFORD.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE COUNTY AS AN OFFICER, THAT'S WHY THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN, COUNTY'S TAKEN, HAS TAKEN YOU THAT LEAD.

AND ALSO, I DON'T SAY HOW ONE PERSON COULD COVER THAT.

IT WOULD TAKE THREE PEOPLE TO COVER IT, CLOCK PEOPLE TO COVER IT FOR OVERTIME AND SHIFT.

THE ONLY THING THAT WE WANTED TO SHARE, WE'VE MET AS A GROUP AND, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT MS, UH, ELLIS'S, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATION AND ALL FEEL THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS ASSUMED THAT AN MOU WOULD DO, WE ARE ALREADY DOING IN PRACTICE AND WE DO IT EVERY DAY.

UH, BUT IT AGAIN, ALL HINGES AS ANYTHING OF WHAT THE OFFICER DETERMINES IN THE FIELD.

AND WHAT I, WHAT I READ IN, UH, A LOT OF LITERATURE THAT YOU SENT WAS ONE KEY THING THAT WAS THERE WAS, IS THAT THE MAIN REASON FOR THE MOU IS TO TAKE CARE OF ANY GRAY OR FUZZY AREAS IN THAT TRANS TRANSFER SO THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IF THE PD IDENTIFIES THE PERSON NEEDS TO BE TRANSPORTED, THAT EMS KNOWS THAT THEY WILL TAKE ON A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY OF TAKING THAT PERSON.

BUT AGAIN, WE'VE, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND IT IF WE FELT LIKE WE HAD, WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

BUT I'M NOT HEARING THAT FROM, FROM ANYBODY HERE.

IT'S FROM BETWEEN THE PD.

IT'S MORE OF, IF WE HAD ANYBODY, IT'S GONNA BE MORE WHO PAYS THE BILL CHIEF I QUESTION.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING.

HAVE OTHER, NO, I GET MONEY COUNSELING, UM, FACILITIES HERE IN LAKE JACKSON HAVE, HOW OFTEN ARE Y'ALL CALLED THERE AND HOW IS THAT HANDLED? Y'ALL GET CALLED VERY OFTEN OR IT, IT, LIKE I SAID, THE AUTHORITY COMES FROM THE SAME SECTION.

UH, WE'VE OPERATED THAT WAY SUCCESSFULLY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

UH, I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE JUDGMENT ISSUES, SO NOT EVERYBODY'S ALWAYS GONNA AGREE ON IT.

BUT WE'VE, WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY OTHER CALLS LIKE THAT.

NEVER COMPLAINTS FROM ANY OTHER, UH, I KNOW, UH, ONE, SHE WAS AT COUNCIL NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SHE, WE'VE WORKED WITH HER.

I REMEMBER MANY.

WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN A CALL TO HER FACILITY.

I GET, I, MOST OF THE COUNSELORS HERE DO NOT SEE SCHIZOPHRENICS.

I AM YOUR SCHIZOPHRENIC PERSON.

COUNSELOR.

IT'S, IT'S EXTREMELY CHALLENGING.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT.

I'M ALSO THE PEDIATRIC PERSON.

AND SO IF YOU GET PEDIATRIC SCHIZOPHRENIC, I WOULD LOVE FOR THERE TO BE ANOTHER ONE.

I'M BRINGING TWO ON.

I TOOK CARE OF MY, MY BROTHER THAT WAS SCHIZOPHRENIC FOR THREE YEARS AND SAVED HIM THREE, THREE TIMES.

SO I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.

IT'S EXHAUSTING.

I KNOW, I KNOW.

AND I KNOW THAT TOO MANY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHENEVER THEY HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, THEY, UH, THERE WILL BE A POINT THAT HE'S THROW THEIR HANDS UP AND I CAN'T, DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

AND THAT'S WHY WE END UP WITH PEOPLE ON THE STREET AND ALL KIND OF TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN AND, YOU KNOW, UM, AND ONE OF THEM IS REFUSAL TO TAKE THEIR MEDICATIONS, BY THE WAY.

AND THAT'S A LOT OF SCHIZOPHRENIA.

MOST SCHIZOPHRENIA, THEY FEEL BETTER.

AND SO THEY DON'T THINK THEY NEED MAKE ISSUE.

AND IF THEY TAKE THE SHOT LAST 28 DAYS.

AND SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE USED.

THESE YEAH.

I DON'T THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.

IT'S TERRIFYING.

SCHIZOPHRENIC SHOW ON MY PORCH WITH A 12 INCH BUTCHER KNIFE WHERE MY KIDS WALKED OUT THE DOOR ABOUT A MONTH AGO, HAD NO IDEA.

AND IMAGINE IF YOU CALLED THE POLICE AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE DON'T CALL THET.

THINK HE'S A DANGER.

I DID CALL THE POLICE.

AND SO, AND I MEAN, THEY, THEY REALLY CANDID AS SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS WHAT QUESTIONS REALLY SHOULD BE ASKED TO THESE PATIENTS, THEY DID ASK THOSE QUESTIONS.

I THINK THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY, I MEAN, HE ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS.

THAT'S HOW WE GOT MEDICAL HISTORY OUT OF HIM.

MEAN, IS THERE, WHAT PROBLEM DOES THAT CREATE? I MEAN, FOR THE OFFICER, IS THERE CRITERIA THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT WHEN THEY'RE DECIDING TO? WELL, THEY EVER BE QUESTIONED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THE CRITERIA.

AND YOU'RE NOT TAKING YOUR MEDICATION AND HERE'S YOUR HOME LIFE.

WE GOT ALL THIS.

THE OFFICER STOOD THERE AND, AND JUST TOOK HIS TIME AND GOT ALL THIS.

I MEAN, IT WAS, COULD NOT HAVE, DIDN'T HANDLE IT ANY BETTER.

UM, CHIEF, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS FOR YOUR OFFICERS IS KNOWING THAT WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO MAYBE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THEIR EXTENSIVE MEDICAL HISTORY, IS JUST TAKE THAT CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THEIR JUDGMENT IF THEY'VE DONE ALREADY.

I, I, I FEEL LIKE THEY DO.

UM, AND THAT OFFICER WHO CAME TO MY OFFICE THE FIRST DAY WAS COMPLETELY PROFESSIONAL.

HE STAYED COMPLETELY.

HE WAS THERE TOO LONG.

WE SHOULDN'T HAVE, IT SHOULDN'T HAVE DRAWN OUT THAT LONG.

AND SO AS IT DEGRADED, HE WAS, HE WAS A CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL.

IT WAS JUST THAT THE SITUATION, I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

PAUL, LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.

THIS TO BE MY LAST QUESTION ON THIS IS, UH, IF AN OFFICER JUST ROLLS UP AND SAYS, OKAY, I'M GONNA, I'M JUST GOING TO, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA ISSUE AN EDL ON YOU JUST DECIDES TO DO THAT PERSON.

WE TRANSPORT 'EM, STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND THE PERSON, I

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THAT'S IT.

AND SO WHEN I SAY IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

UH, AND SO EXPERIENCE, YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY BUY THAT.

UH, ESPECIALLY IN SOME CASES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OFFICERS THAT ARE REALLY TRYING TO WRAP THEIR HEAD AROUND THE WHOLE POLICE, UH, CAREER EXPERIENCE AND GOING OUT THERE.

BUT IT IS, IT'S ABOUT LISTENING AND FINDING OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW CURRENT WITH THESE ISSUES, HOW, UH, WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT.

'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE OFFICERS FOCUS ON.

BUT IN THAT SCENARIO, WHAT YOU POSED, UH, HE CAN MAKE A MISTAKE JUST LIKE HE CAN IF HE MAKES A MISTAKE ARRESTING SOMEONE FOR A CRIMINAL OFFENSE WHEN, UH, HE HAD NO PROBABLE CAUSE TO DO SO, YOU ARE TAKING A PERSON'S WELL, NO, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THIS IS YOU'RE TAKING, AND SO IF HE WAS TO DO THAT AND IT GOES DOWN THE ROAD, HE DID IT.

WHO KNOWS WHY HE WOULD DO IT IN, IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT.

BUT SO NEGLIGENTLY WRONG, THEN HE WOULD BE JUST AS CIVILLY LIABLE AS AS, AND HE HAD EXPLAINED HIS STUFF.

HE'D HAD YEAH, BUT YOU WOULD'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS.

I WASTING BY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

I, AND THEN THE NEXT DAY I DID JUST, I CALLED THE COUNTY AND I SAID, DO NOT SEND ME TO THE CITY.

LOOK, WORK WITH ME.

AND THEY WORKED WITH ME.

THEY ADMITTED HER WHILE I WAS IN THE CAR DRIVING.

WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE'S NOTHING THAT COUNSEL CAN DO.

IS THAT CORRECT? THERE'S NOTHING MORE THAT WE CAN DO THAN WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DOING.

THE MOU WOULD NOT GIVE MORE CLARITY OF WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THE CLINICAL DECISION, WE CAN SAY IT, WE CAN COVER OURSELVES, BUT OUR CLIENTS ARE LEFT ON THEIR OWN.

THEY'RE NOT, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE MY LITTLE GIRL WENT HOME AND CUT HERSELF OPEN AFTER SHE HAD BEEN TO THE HOSPITAL, OR NO, NO.

THEY SAID SHE DIDN'T NEED TO GO.

SHE WENT HOME AND SHE LAID HER THIGHS OPEN.

I KNOW WHAT MY KIDS ARE GONNA DO, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE IN A SCHIZOPHRENIC.

HEATHER.

HEATHER, THANKS.

COULD YOU COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE? OH, YES.

SORRY.

IT WAS, I CAN'T SAY IF I WOULD'VE DONE THE RIGHT THING OR THE WRONG THING, BUT I WOULD'VE TAKEN HER AND I WOULD'VE GIVEN HER TO SOMEBODY WHO COULD SAY SHE HAD LEFT A MA FROM A PSYCH WARD THAT SAME DAY.

I TOLD THEM SHE TRIED TO KILL HERSELF YESTERDAY.

AND THEY SAID YESTERDAY, DOESN'T MATTER.

THIS IS RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I'M, I SAID, SHE JUST SAID THAT SHE HAD ELOPED EARLIER.

SHE STILL HAD THE SMELL OF THE GROWN MAN THAT SHE HAD BEEN WITH EARLIER THAT DAY ON HER MINUTES BEFORE WHEN WE FINALLY GOT HER OUT OF THE GROWN MAN'S TRUCK.

THIS IS, I JUST DON'T, I, WHAT I DON'T THINK IS FAIR IS I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT OUR OFFICERS THAT ARE RESPONDING DON'T CARE.

I DIDN'T SAY THEY DON'T CARE.

THAT WE DON'T CARE.

I MEAN, WE DO.

EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT IT.

AND IT'S, IT'S, BUT NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING.

IT'S, IT'S A CONSTANT, LIKE THE MAYOR IS STILL WORKING WITH GIVING PD MORE TOOLS.

WE NEED TO ALWAYS BE LOOKING TO GIVE PD MORE TOOLS.

THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.

TO DO NEW THINGS THOUGH.

PD IS NEVER GONNA RELEGATE THE AUTHORITY TO EMS TO FOR EMS TO MAKE THAT DECISION WHETHER WE'RE GONNA TAKE YOU OR NOT.

THAT'S, THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

WELL, IT'S, IT'S HAPPENING IN OTHER STATES.

IN OTHER STATES.

AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE NORM.

IT'S GOING THAT WAY.

AND WE'LL SEE.

MAYBE THINGS WILL CHANGE.

MAYBE THINGS CHANGE.

YES, WE'RE GONNA, I'M GONNA DO A, AN EDO.

IT'S, I MEAN, IT IS LEANING THAT WAY THROUGHOUT.

I, I, I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNICATION, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE I, THE ADVICE I GAVE, IF YOU'RE TALKING TO SHANE AND SHANE CAN CONTACT THE PROPER AUTHOR.

THAT'S, THAT IS LITERALLY HE HAVE, HE, HE, HE HAS THE, I WILL DO THAT, THE AUTHORITY TO CALL THE CHIEF ON THE PHONE.

HE CAN CALL THE CHIEF 24 HOURS A DAY.

I'LL ASK HIM NEXT TIME HE CAN.

I'LL SAY, ASK THE CHIEF, IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? UH, HE COULD, I MEAN, THAT, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA.

NO, IT'S NOT A ASK THE CHIEF, HAVE HIM TALK WITH THE CHIEF.

IF HE FEEL THAT THAT SITUATION, THAT DANGEROUS ENOUGH THAT SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE ADMITTED, THAT HE CAN, THAT, THAT THE CHIEF WOULD HAVE OFFICERS STANDBY UNTIL ONE OF HIS OFFICERS GET THERE.

THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING TO EVALUATE THE SCENE.

TO SEE.

WE WERE WAITING AND WAITING.

AND IF OFFICERS JUST COULDN'T COME, IT WAS OVER AN HOUR OF THE COP AND I WAITING THERE AND THE LITTLE GIRL WAITING.

IT WAS, I WILL ASK SHANE IN THE FUTURE IF I HAVE THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW NOW THAT I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I CAN, MAYBE I'M STEPPING MY BOUNDS.

I I MIGHT BE ABLE TO STEP IN MY, MY BOUND WITH THE CHIEF.

I, I MEAN, WHAT I, I GUESS IN REGARDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I WANNA GO BACK ON IS REAL QUICK IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMMENT IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN YOU DO? THERE'S NOTHING YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN DO OR WHATEVER.

AND I GUESS IT GOES BACK TO THE SAME THING THAT, UH, UH, RHONDA WAS SAYING IS, IS THAT WE COULD HAVE GONE OVER AND OFFICER SAID,

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CHRIS TAKES HER TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, EMERGENCY ROOM, EVALUATES HER, LETS HER GO.

SHE GOES HOME AND DOES WHAT SHE DOES.

SO WE DID EVERYTHING WE CAN IN THAT PROCESS.

WE STILL DIDN'T SAVE THE GIRL.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT IS OUR WHOLE SITUATION.

IT'S SOME POINT IN THERE.

SO IT'S ME CALLING AND JUST DROPPING, COME TO THE MIC, PLEASE COME TO THE MIC.

IT'S ME CALLING AND SAYING THIS IS HAPPENING.

AND THEN DROPPING HER.

IF THERE WAS ANOTHER SET OF EYES OR TWO OTHER SET OF EYES, OR THREE OTHER SET OF EYES, LET'S SAY THAT THE PEOPLE CAME AND THEY SAW THAT SHE WAS DELUSIONAL AND HALLUCINATING, AND THEY SAW THAT HER AFFECT IS FLAT.

SO SHE LOOKS NORMAL, BUT THEN SHE DOES SOMETHING COMPLETELY DELUSIONAL AND BIZARRE.

AND SO THIS STUFF HAPPENS.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

THEY JUST THINK SHE'S A TEENAGER BEING DRAMATIC OR WHATEVER.

THEY LET HER GO.

I DO HAVE A HIPAA QUESTION HERE.

WHEN YOU ARE INTERACTING WITH THE OFFICER, I CAN'T TELL.

AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.

HOW MUCH OF THEIR MEDICAL HISTORY CAN YOU COMMUNICATE TO THEM? THAT'S A PRETTY BIG GAP.

I CAN, I CAN, THE MOTHER SAID I COULD GIVE A DIAGNOSIS OUT.

'CAUSE I SAID SHE HAS SCHIZOPHRENIA, AND HE SAID, THAT IS GOOD TO KNOW.

BUT THE MOTHER CAN, THE MOTHER CAN.

YES, THE MOTHER CAN, BUT SHE COULDN'T TAKE HER.

BUT IF SHE GAVE THE OFFICER A LITTLE BIT MORE AMMUNITION OR A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, THEN HE'D BE ABLE TO EVALUATE, EVALUATE THE SCENE A LITTLE BIT MORE.

THIS, WELL, AGAIN, WE'RE SCRUTINIZING A SINGLE, SINGLE CASE INCIDENT.

AND IN THIS CASE, UH, TO BE CLEAR, THE CHILD WAS NOT LEFT BY HERSELF.

SHE WAS IN THE CARE AND CONTROL OF HER MOTHER.

UH, WHO WAS HER GUARDIAN? I ASSUME IT'S HER MOTHER.

SO, BUT SHE RUNS AWAY AS SOON AS YEAH.

I, WE CAN, THIS IS WHY I NEEDED HELP .

THERE'S JUST, THERE'S ONLY JUST SO MUCH THAT WE CAN DO.

UN UNTIL WE START TAKING AWAY PEOPLE'S RIGHTS.

AND IT'S, YEAH.

I MEAN, I WON'T, I WON'T NEED TO COME BACK UP HERE ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WELL, NO, THE, THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND CONCERN IS GOOD.

HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS ALWAYS HELPS.

IT'S SO WE, I'M GIVING MY TIME AND MY ENERGY.

I'M GIVING UP MY EVENINGS TRYING TO MAKE POWERPOINTS AND RESEARCH AND CALLING LAWYERS HEATHER.

SO HEATHER, WE'RE ALL DOING THAT.

RIGHT? THIS IS, I'M NOT ON COUNSEL ANYMORE.

I KNOW, BUT WHAT I'M SEEING IS, IS THAT IN SOME CAPACITY, EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS COMMUNITY BETTER.

OH, I'M KNOW.

BY VOLUNTEERING BY.

AND THAT'S WHY I'VE DONE IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I CONTINUE TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S WHY I CAME UP HERE AGAINST THE AUTHORITY.

BUT DON'T SHUT US OFF AND, AND, AND ACT LIKE IT'S NOT, THERE'S WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO BE DONE? I'VE BEEN TOLD REPEATEDLY, THIS IS ALL WE CAN DO, BUT WE'VE RUN UP AGAINST THE WALL.

AND I'M, I'M, SO, I DON'T WANNA KEEP, I'M NOT ONE THAT, I'M NOT ONE TO JUST, OKAY, I RAN UP AGAINST THE WALL.

IT'S, IF THERE'S A REAL NEED OUT THERE, GERALD, I'LL FIND A WAY AROUND IT.

SO I'M OPENING A BUSINESS.

I KNOW I'M HIRING FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES.

I'M BUILDING OUT A SITE.

I'M DOING ALL OF THESE THINGS.

I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE TIME TO DO ALL OF THE EXTRA STUFF.

I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP MY CLIENTS ALIVE.

AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IS IN YOUR EMAIL TO US, YOU, YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT THE, THAT YOU DID THIS RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN.

AND WHAT, WHAT I WANNA SAY TO THAT IS, IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS.

AND SO WE LOOK TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU DO, OR THE CONTACTS THAT YOU DO TO BRING POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS BACK TO US.

I HAVE BEEN LOOKING.

AND SO, SO THAT'S WHAT YOU DID.

AND SO WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU WENT, DID THE RESEARCH.

YOU WENT AND LOOKED AT IT AND, AND I DID RESEARCH THOUGH, AND I KNOW YOU, GERALD, I KNOW YOU DO RESEARCH.

SO WE, WE APPRECIATE THAT YOU DID THAT.

AND, AND, UH, AGAIN, WE, WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO, TO BRING US OPTIONS AND, AND BRING KNOWLEDGE TO THE TABLE.

BUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW IS, IS THAT HAVING ALL THE KNOWLEDGE HERE IN ONE ROOM RIGHT NOW IS THAT, THAT, UH, THERE'S NOT MUCH MORE WE CAN DO UNLESS, OH, I KNOW IT'S HAPPENING.

THE STATE GIVES US MORE ABILITY.

I KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.

AND SO I KNOW IT'S GONNA GET WORSE.

SO I'M PUTTING IT AT YOUR FEET.

I'M GONNA LEAVE IT HERE.

I AM GOING TO RUN FOR COUNSEL THOUGH, SO THAT I CAN BE ON HERE AND MAKE A, MAKE AN IMPACT FROM OVER THERE.

RESOURCES AND NEW THINGS LIKE THAT, AGAIN, WHAT HE JUST SAID IS, YOU DEAL WITH THAT DAY IN, DAY OUT, DAY IN, DAY OUT.

AND SO THAT'S, WELL, NRC, WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY? WELL, I WOULD BE PROACTIVE IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS, HOW SPECIFICALLY? WELL, LET'S SEE.

I WENT AND TALKED TO ATTORNEYS ABOUT IT, AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON IT MM-HMM .

AND IT'S NOT MY ROLE.

AND SO I'VE PROBABLY SPENT AT LEAST 60 HOURS SINCE THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE PUTTING TOGETHER THIS INFORMATION, TRYING TO DO IT, JUST TO BE TOLD WE ALREADY DID IT.

IF THE OFFICER DOESN'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO THAT WE CAN WORK ON.

SO I'LL CONTINUE TO SAY WHAT I SAY.

I'LL CONTINUE TO PUT IN MY PAPERWORK.

AND AS YOU FIND NEW INFORMATION AND NEW

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I DO.

TO NOT POLICE OFFICERS.

DO WHAT? NOT POLICE OFFICERS.

NO, NO, NO.

THE MENTAL HEALTH ASPECTS AND RIGHT.

WHAT RESOURCES AND WHATNOT THAT WE HAVE AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.

YOU DO NEED TO TALK TO US AND BRING THAT, BRING THAT TO HIM.

I KNOW CHIEF O HAS HAS SAID, TALKED TO ME.

I'VE COME MULTIPLE TIMES.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, AS THERE'S NEW STUFF, YES.

IF I KNEW I WOULD PASS IT FORWARD AS NEW CHANGES ARE COMING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT DOES BECOME A MORE PREVALENT PROBLEM.

UH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK IT ABSOLUTELY IS COMING.

OH, IT'S COMING.

I TAUGHT MENTAL HEALTH AT THE, IN THE NURSING PROGRAM.

I HAD THEM WRITE ONE PAPER EVERY SEMESTER.

YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT? I SAID, PLEASE, UH, RESEARCH ALL OF THE MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE IN BRAZORIA COUNTY AND THEN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

AND THE PURPOSE OF ME SPECIFICALLY WRITING THAT PAPER WAS AS THEY GOT OUT INTO THE MEDICAL FIELD, I WANTED THEM TO UNDERSTAND UPFRONT HOW LIMITED ALL OF THAT IS.

SO, WELL SEE.

AND I GUESS I'VE BEEN A PROFESSOR.

I'VE TAUGHT FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGY, I'VE TAUGHT VICTIMOLOGY, I'VE TAUGHT ALL OF THESE THINGS IN A UNIVERSITY FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO? MAYBE IT'S NOT MY JOB TO BE PRO PROACTIVE AND PREVENTATIVE.

NO, IT IS.

IT'S ALL OF OUR JOBS.

BUT I CAN'T CARE SO MUCH.

WELL, THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THEIR OWN LIMITS ON THAT FOR SURE.

AND SO I HAVE DONE WHAT I CAN.

I WILL DO WHAT I CAN.

BUT AT THIS POINT, BUT WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS, IS THAT AS NEW STUFF COMES UP, DON'T SHUT US OUT.

HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.

PICK I WILL FORWARD EMAILS.

SO FORWARD, FORWARD EMAILS, CALL US, EMAILS, WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO.

BECAUSE IT, IT IS A PROBLEM.

IT IS.

SO JUST ONE COMMENT YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, RUN THE COUNCIL SO YOU CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

NO, NOT SOLVE.

I SAID, I WANNA BE PART OF IT.

I WANNA BE ON THAT SIDE.

SO YOU CAN STILL DO THE SAME THING WITHOUT BEING ON THE COUNCIL.

YOU ARE HERE TO CONVINCE SIX OF US TO CHANGE WHAT TO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

NO, I JUST WANT OTHER PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT IT AS MUCH WITH THE GRACE.

OH, WE CARE ABOUT IT.

WE CARE VERY MUCH ABOUT IT.

IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T CARE AT THE SAME LEVEL.

I DO.

WE CANNOT, COUNSEL'S HANDS ARE TIED BECAUSE THE WAY LAW STATES, THIS IS WHAT WE MUST DO.

AND WHEN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROCEDURE THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE COVERS, THAT COVERS THE WHOLE ASPECT OF THE LAW, AND ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE DIFFERENT.

SO IF YOU THINK YOU CAN CONVINCE THAT BEING ON THE COUNCIL, YOU CAN STILL DO THE SAME PROCESS WITH THIS COUNCIL AND ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULT.

SO, I MEAN RIGHT.

BUT THEN I'LL BE DOING SOMETHING AS A PART OF SOMETHING.

RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE I AM ME.

I KNOW GERALD JUST CARES DEEPLY.

BUT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT AT ALL.

AND I, I, I FEEL BAD THAT YOU FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE WE AS A COUNCIL, NO, I MEAN, I'M SAYING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH.

HERE'S SERVE YOU EVERYBODY ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH.

I KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE OF GERALD'S SPECIAL INTERESTS.

I DON'T HAVE THE SAME SPECIAL INTERESTS.

I KNOW WILL LOVED THE WATER.

I LOVE MENTAL HEALTH.

AND SO FOR ME, THIS IS MY SPECIAL INTEREST.

I WANNA COME UP HERE WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE AND THE RESOURCES I HAVE AND DO IT BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE GOING OFF SOON, I'M SURE.

AND ALL I'M SAYING IS YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THAT.

YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE CONVINCING.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT ME COMING HERE IS DOING ANY GOOD, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M FEELING.

WELL, I THINK IT IS DOING SOME GOOD.

IT'S, IT'S AGAIN, CONTINUING OUR AWARENESS OF THE ISSUE AND THAT, UH, SOME OF US WILL PICK IT UP AND RUN WITH IT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT.

UM, I MEAN, THE NEXT, NEXT STOP IS GOING TO BE IS THAT PICKING UP THE PHONE AND START TALKING TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND STATE SENATORS AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH ALL THE TIME UP THERE.

UH, BUT, UH, PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.

WELL, I'VE BEEN ASKED TO LEAVE THE SENATOR'S OFFICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH NEAR HER OFFICE.

SO THE, UH, SO ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THAT AVENUE AND STUFF.

UH, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS, IS THAT I WAS JUST RECENT LAST WEEK, I GOT, UH, APPOINTED TO HOUSTON GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL, UH, UH, UH, HEALTH COMMITTEE.

HIRE A, A POLICE OFFICER THAT CAN DO MENTAL HEALTH STUFF.

AND, UH, SO THAT'S FOR 13 COUNTIES.

AND SO I'M OVER THAT.

AND SO FOR HC OF THE EIGHT YEAH.

OF THE, THERE'S UH, EIGHT STRATEGIC PLANTS AREAS THAT WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS.

AND, AND A COUPLE OF THEM ARE IN MENTAL HEALTH, AND ONE OF 'EM IS FOR SENIOR MENTAL HEALTH.

THE OTHER ONE IS FOR JUVENILE MENTAL HEALTH.

THANK YOU.

AND SO, UH, THAT'S JUST GETTING STARTED.

BUT, UH, THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, UH, IS MONEY.

AND FOR THE STATE LAST LA LAST LEGISLATURE, THEY, THEY WENT OUT AND THEY PUT A BILLION DOLLARS OUT THERE.

WELL, THE BILLION DOLLARS ISN'T GOING WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

IT'S NOT GOING DOWN TO THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES TO GO PUT,

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NO, IT'S GOING TO THE BIG HOSPITALS THAT THEY CAN OPEN UP ANOTHER FLOOR, A FLOOR THAT'S BEEN VACANT, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T HAVE PATIENTS IN THEIR HOSPITALS.

THEY DON'T HAVE PATIENTS IN HOSPITALS TO CREATE A MENTAL WARD AGAIN, UH, LIKE WE DID BEFORE.

AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, MY DEAL IS, WHAT I ARGUE WITH IT AT THE STATE LEVEL IS, IS THOSE DOLLARS NEED TO COME DOWN TO THE LOCAL AREA, TO AGENCIES, ORGANIZATIONS, UH, THAT HAVE SHOWN AND, AND DEMONSTRATED THAT IF YOU GIVE US THE DOLLARS, WE CAN DO GOOD STUFF.

STREET.

AND I HAVE SOMEONE WORKING ON A GRANT WRITER.

WELL, I ASK HER TO START A GRANT WRITING PROJECT FOR A PART-TIME MENTAL HEALTH OFFICER DOWN HERE TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO GET AT LEAST PARTIALLY FUNDED.

SO, I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN LOOKING TOO, RIGHT.

SO IT'S, I WANT THIS AND I'M THANKFUL THAT HGA C'S DOING THAT.

IT'S, IT'S, I, I DON'T, ANYTHING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID ON SAID TONIGHT HAS NOT FALLEN ON DEATH OF EARS ON ANYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL.

I, I THINK IT'S, EVERYBODY'S GOT IT, UH, ON THEIR RADAR SCREEN.

AND, UM, AND, UH, I THINK THAT WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, WE, WE JUST, WE CAN JUST KEEP PRESSING FORWARD.

BUT I MEAN, JUST DON'T HAVE A, WE JUST DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION FOR YOU TODAY.

SO.

IF YOU CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I, I'M EXHAUSTED.

I I UNDERSTAND.

AND I FEEL LIKE IT'S ME AGAINST THE COUNCIL.

AND SO MAYBE THAT'S NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE I KNOW INDIVIDUALLY I KNOW IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT FIGHTING AT ALL.

WE'RE NOT FIGHTING AT ALL.

I, I KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALLY WE ARE FRIENDLY PEOPLE.

WE KNOW EACH OTHER.

AND THAT PEOPLE EVEN WISHED ME A HAPPY BIRTHDAY YESTERDAY FROM THE COUNCIL BECAUSE, AND IT'S NOT ABOUT ANY OF THIS.

WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT FEELS LIKE I'M HITTING A WALL WITH THE ORGANIZATION.

AND THE ONLY REASON WHY THERE'S A WALL THERE IS BECAUSE THERE'S LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THAT ARE CREATING THAT WALL.

AND SO UNTIL THE LAW CHANGES, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO.

WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING.

THERE'S LIMITED WHAT WE CAN DO RIGHT.

AS WELL.

THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THERE'S NO GOOD FOR ME TO COME BACK.

WE, BUT WHAT WE'VE COME BACK, BUT WHAT WE, NO, WHAT CAME BACK WAS IS YOU HAD THE RECOMMENDATION FROM JB OF SAYING THAT WHEN YOU, IF YOU GET INTO THIS SITUATION AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU, YOU FEEL STRONGLY AND YOU FEEL MAYBE YOU FEEL LIKE THE OFFICER'S OPINION IS INCORRECT, THEN CALL THE COUNTY AND SAY, I'VE GOT TO HAVE YOUR HELP.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT AND THE OTHER ONE THAT THE CHIEF MENTIONED OF A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, THEY FELT STRONGLY ENOUGH HAVE A GO TO A JUDGE FOR A WARRANT.

SHANE, THAT SHANE IS VERY, VERY EXPERIENCED.

THAT IS ALSO AN OPTION AT DOING THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT CRITICAL POINT.

BUT THEY SEE THOSE THINGS HAPPENING IN SOMEONE'S LIFETIME.

AND, AND, AND IT'S A LAST, LAST REMARK I'LL MAKE REALLY, YOU KNOW, OVER THE DECADES, UH, OF MY TIME, I DON'T BELIEVE MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS HAS GOTTEN SO MUCH WORSE OVER THESE YEARS FOR INEFFECTIVE OR EFFECTIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE ARE A TOOL IN THAT PROCESS.

OUR JOB IS TO, IN THE IMMEDIATE, GET THEM TO CARE.

I THINK IF THERE'S GONNA BE A BIG SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE AND WE ALL DO CARE, THAT'LL BE THE IMPROVEMENT.

SOME BREAKTHROUGH IN CARE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL OVER AND OVER AND OVER SOMETIMES WITH THE SAME PATIENT MULTIPLE TIMES, GETTING THEM TO CARE.

AND THEN WE SEE CARE.

ONE OF THESE INSTANCES HERE TONIGHT WAS JUST RELEASED FROM A CARE FACILITY.

LAW ENFORCEMENT IS NOT THE ANSWER.

WE'RE GETTING BETTER AT GETTING THEM THERE.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY AND IMPROVE THAT PROCESS, BUT WE ARE NOT THE ANSWER.

YEAH, YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH THE LAST RESORT FOR A LOT OF CASES.

UH, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO, DISCUSSING AND CONSIDER, UH, RAISING THE THRESHOLD FOR COMPETITIVE BIDDING REQUIREMENTS FROM 50,000 TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO FOLLOW STATE BILL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

[2. Discuss and consider raising the threshold for competitive bidding requirements from $50,000 to $100,000 to follow Senate Bill 1173, beginning September 1, 2025. – Sherri Russell]

1, 1 7 3 BEGINNING SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2025.

MS. RUSSELL.

PURCHASES OF EQUIPMENT, UH, THAT WE BOUGHT, YOU KNOW, ON A BUYBOARD OR A COOPERATIVE PURCHASE IT.

SO THIS WAS, UM, A NEW LAW THAT THEY HAVEN'T RAISED THIS BID AMOUNT SINCE 2007.

I THINK THAT'S WHEN IT WENT FROM 15 TO 50.

AND SO THIS WOULD, UM, IF YOU ALL JUST SAID YES, THIS WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO GO OUT FOR QUOTES FOR UNDER A HUNDRED THOUSAND RATHER THAN GO OUT FOR BIDS.

AND YES, MODESTO, I DID ASK STAFF TO GO BACK AND LOOK AND SEE HOW MANY BIDS DID WE HAVE ACTUALLY FROM 50,000 TO A HUNDRED.

WE HAD ONE, UH, WE FOUND IN 2016.

SO MOST OF OUR BIDS WHEN WE DO GO OUT ARE A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

PRETTY MUCH ARE PURCHASES THAT DO HAPPEN FROM 50 TO A HUNDRED ARE INDIVIDUAL

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SO WE MAY HAVE BOUGHT A PICKUP OR TWO PICKUPS AND STUFF, AND THEN IT WOULD FALL WITHIN THAT 50 TO A HUNDRED.

BUT FORMAL BIDS FOR COMMODITIES, IT WIND UP BEING ALREADY OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR PROCESS, UH, INTERNAL CHECKS.

UH, TODAY THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT MS. SETH ASKED, WHAT DO WE HAVE INTERNALLY, UM, TODAY AS IT IS ANYTHING OVER 3000, WE REQUIRE QUOTES, UH, FOR THAT.

HOW MANY? UM, THREE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A NEW WRINKLE IN THAT NOW THAT WE'VE ADOPTED, UH, FEDERAL PROVISIONS, THEY DON'T REQUIRE THREE, THEY REQUIRE WHATEVER STRONGEST, THEIR THRESHOLD IS 10,000.

UM, ANYTHING AT 50,000 WE GO OUT FOR FORMAL BIDS OR WE CAN PURCHASE UNDER COOPERATIVE PURCHASING.

UM, BUT WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE A PRACTICE OF ANYTHING OVER 50,000 THROUGH A COOPERATIVE PURCHASING.

WE BRING THAT, YOU KNOW, TO COUNCIL.

UM, AND SO THAT'S OUR THRESHOLD TODAY.

IF IT WAS RAISED TO A HUNDRED, THEN THE QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, WE KNOW WHAT BIDS WOULD BE, WOULD COUNCIL WANT TO SEE COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AGREEMENTS, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THAT 50 AND A HUNDRED OR WOULD THEY WANT TO DEFER THAT AND ALSO SAY ANYTHING OVER A HUNDRED IS THE, IS THE LINE THAT WE WANT TO SEE BIDS AND OR WE WANT TO SEE, UM, UH, COOPERATIVE PURCHASING AS WELL.

AGAIN, ANYTHING UNDER 50 QUOTES FOR 3000, THE DIRECTOR CAN, HAS TO SIGN FOR THAT.

AND THEN THE A THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER APPROVES THOSE PURCHASES, UM, ON THOSE, ANYTHING OVER 50 COUNCIL APPROVES AND I HAVE TO SIGN.

UH, SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS TODAY.

THEN YOU GO INTO A HUNDRED.

IF IT WENT TO A HUNDRED, UH, THEN ANY PURCHASES UNDER A HUNDRED WOULD BE BETWEEN THE THREE AND A HUNDRED WOULD BE THE DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THE, UH, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE.

UH, IN ADDITION THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PURCHASING AGENT BECAUSE THE PO HAS TO BE ISSUED.

SO THERE'S THREE, UH, PEOPLE IN THAT ROLE.

AND THEN IF IT WAS A HUNDRED COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE IT.

AND I'M, I'M A, I'M A, I'M A FORMALITY IN THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND TO MAKE SURE THAT ONE, IT WAS CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WE HAVE THE CORRECT, UH, THE BUDGET'S THERE.

SO WHAT ARE YOU RECOMMENDING? UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT GOES TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

UM, AND THERE ARE SOME TIMES WHERE WE HAVE A PURCHASE, UH, THAT WE BRING FOR RATIFICATION FOR EMERGENCY PURCHASE, UH, THAT HAPPENS OVER THE WEEKEND AND IT'S 65,000.

UM, AND, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO BID.

THIS WOULD NEGATE THAT AND WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE REPAIR QUICKLY AND, AND HAVE IT DONE.

AND WE WE'RE BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL ANYWAY FOR RATIFICATION.

BUT, UM, WITH AT THE HUNDRED, UH, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD DO.

AND ON PURCHASING EQUIPMENT, IT'S REALLY ALL YOU'RE APPROVING FOR US TO AUTHORIZE IS MAYBE A PICKUP TRUCK.

ANYTHING ELSE OF HER EQUIPMENT IS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THEY'RE RAISING IT BECAUSE 50,000 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.

ONE POLICE CAR IS 80,000.

SO HOW LONG, HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN AT 50,000? 2000, 2007.

IT RAISED FROM 25,000.

25, UH, TO 50.

AND WE JUST, WE, WE MOVED IT TO REFLECT WHAT STATE LAW WAS.

I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT THAT I ALSO ASKED ABOUT WAS THE HISTORICALLY UNDERLIE UNDERUTILIZED BUSINESSES US REQUIRING BEING ACQUIRED.

AND THAT WAS CORRECT IN THINKING THAT WAS SOME DEI REQUIREMENTS ESSENTIALLY THAT HOPEFULLY WILL GO AWAY.

STATE LAW REQUIRES US, UM, AT ANY PURCHASE OVER 3000 THAT WE LOOK ON A HISTORICALLY UNDER UTILIZED BUSINESS IN BRAZORIA COUNTY.

AND CHECK ON THAT LIST AND, AND, UH, TRY TO OBTAIN A MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM AND ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO QUOTE.

SO IF WE HAVE A, A PLUMBING, UH, REPAIR JOB THAT WE WANT TO DO, WE HAVE TO LOOK ON THAT LIST AND SEE, UH, IF THERE'S ANYBODY, UH, ON THE LIST AND ASK THEM TO, UH, GIVE US A QUOTE.

IF THEY DON'T RESPOND, THEN WE CAN, UH, WE WE'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, UH, TO PURCHASE FROM THEM.

IT'S JUST WE'RE REQUIRED TO GET A QUOTE.

AND REALLY THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IT.

UH, REALLY THAT'S WHY WE HAVE IN OUR POLICY THAT ANYTHING OVER 3000 SAYS BE COORDINATED WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S DONE.

NOT HAVE, INCREASE IT TO A HUNDRED? NO, NO.

AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE, OR IS TO, TO GO TO A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS WHAT I'M SAYING? YES, SIR.

SO THE STATE LAW SAYS YOU CAN, DOES

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THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT WE COULD KEEP OUR POLICY.

IF, IF COUNSEL WANTED TO, IF IT'S COMFORTABLE KEEPING IT AT 50, WE COULD KEEP IT AT 50.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO, SIR.

AND SO YOU'RE GONNA BRING, UH, SOMETHING BACK TO US TO APPROVE OR IT IT'LL BE THE, THE POLICY WILL BE AMENDED AND, UM, JAMES WILL BRING THAT BACK.

'CAUSE IT'S HIS POLICY.

SO THAT'S A DIRECT INSTRUCTION TO STAFF.

DO SOMETHING, JAMES, FOR ONCE.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE.

DO WE HAVE AGREEMENT TO, IS THERE AGREEMENT? YES.

[3. Discuss and consider the first reading of an ordinance amending Chapter 90, Subdivisions, to change the submittal date for plats and site plans from the 15th to the 10th of the month. – Sherri Russell]

SO WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, ITEM THREE IS DISCUSS AND CONSIDER FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 90 SUBDIVISIONS, UH, TO CHANGE THE SUB, UH, SUBMITTAL DATE FOR PLOTS AND SITE PLANS FROM THE 15TH THROUGH THE 10TH OF THE MONTH.

SHERRY, YOU WANNA TALK TO US ABOUT THIS, THIS ANOTHER STATEMENT? UM, YES.

I WENT AHEAD AND BROUGHT THIS ON FIRST READING, SINCE IT'S NOT COMPLICATED OR CONTROVERSIAL.

WE ARE, THEY'RE JUST BUMPING IT UP SINCE, BECAUSE OF THE, UM, SUCH AN EARLY DATE NOW TO HAVE AGENDA SET AND POSTED RIGHT.

IT, PUTTING IT ON THE 15TH OF THE MONTH.

WELL NOT GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO, TO DO ALL OF THAT AND GET IT ON PLANNER'S AGENDA.

SO IF THEY BUMP IT UP TO THE 10TH, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL DONE IN THAT MONTH AND NOT HAVE TO TELL THE DEVELOPERS TO COME BACK.

SO THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ON HOW QUICK YOU HAVE TO RESPOND TO A, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEM.

THIS IS BECAUSE OF, JUST BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE ON THE YES.

WANNA READ THE ORDINANCE? THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 90.

SUBDIVISIONS OF THE LATE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES BE AMENDED TO CHANGE THE DATE OF SUBMITTAL FOR PLANS AND SITE PLANS FROM THE 15TH OF THE MONTH TO THE 10TH.

PROVIDED THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT ONLY, AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE.

TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM.

MS. RE, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND CHAPTER 90 SUBDIVISIONS TO CHANGE THE SUBMITTAL DATE FOR PLA AND SITE PLANS FROM 15TH TO THE 10TH OF THE MONTH.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILWOMAN SETH.

SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

ALL

[4. Approve the selection of three separate engineering firms—Baker & Lawson, Dunaway, and Parra & Co.—for the 2025 Bond Spot Repairs of concrete pavement panels and authorize the City Manager to negotiate three separate contracts for design engineering professional services. – Sal Aguirre]

UH, ITEM FOUR, APPROVE THE SELECTION OF THREE SEPARATE ENGINEERING FIRMS, BAKER AND LAWSON DUNAWAY.

AND IS IT PARRA PAR, UH, PARRA.

DUNAWAY, YEAH.

UH, FOR THE 2025 BOND SPOTS, REPAIRS OF CONCRETE PAVEMENT PANELS AND AUTHORIZED CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THREE SEPARATE CONTRACTS FOR THE DESIGN ENGINEERING PROFESSIONALS SERVICES.

WHY, WHY THE THREE JUST SPREAD THE MONEY NOW, UH, .

WELL, REALLY, UH, WE ASK.

WE'RE NOT, I MEAN, WE SENT OUT AN RFP SOLICITING, UH, INTERESTED, UH, ENGINEERING FIRMS. UH, THE THREE CAME IN THERE.

IT'S $8 MILLION ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THING.

THIS IS PART OF THE BOND ISSUE.

SO WE THOUGHT THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE IN OUR BENEFIT TO NOT ONLY USE TYPICALLY ONE FIRM THAT WOULD BE USING, WHICH HAS BEEN VERY, UH, BENEFICIAL FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO TO START GROOMING OTHER, TO BE ABLE TO, UH, TO WORK WITH THE, UH, UNDER THE CONDITIONS WE WANT.

SO, UH, IN THIS CASE, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE DIVIDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN A CERTAIN WAY THAT IS BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND BE, UH, THAT WOULD ALSO CREATE AN IMPACT ON THE VOTERS BECAUSE THE VOTERS ARE WANTING TO SEE SOME ACT, SOME ACTION ON THAT COUNCIL.

THAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WE WANT TO, BECAUSE IF WE SELECT ONE ENGINEER, WE'RE GONNA LOOK IN THAT PROBABLY FOUR OR FIVE HERE.

WE WANT HIT IT HARD AND TAKE CARE OF THIS THINGS GOOD STRATEGY.

SHORT.

AND THE SHORT IS THE SPEED THINGS UP IN A WAY.

AND ALSO DO IT CHEAP.

CHEAP, YEAH.

I LIKE THAT.

WELL, LESS EXPENSIVE, NOT CHEAP, CHEAP, EXPENSIVE .

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH.

AND IT IS NOT A CONSULTANT.

IT'S A, AN ENGINEERING FIRM BUILD RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER TWO.

SO, YEAH.

IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS? NO.

UH, TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, I GUESS I MAKE MOTION TO APPROVE THE SELECTION OF THREE SEPARATE ENGINEERING FIRMS, BAKER LAWSON DUNAWAY, AND APPEAR AND CODE FOR THE 2025 BONDS SPOT REPAIRS OF CONCRETE PA PANELS, AND OFFER OUR CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THREE SEPARATE CONTRACTS FOR DESIRED ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL SERVICES.

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I WILL SECOND.

I WILL HAVE A SECOND BY MR. SCHOOLER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAIR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT.

MOTION IS APPROVED AND YOU'LL SEE THESE COME BACK ONCE WE NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT, SINCE I'M ANTICIPATING ALL OF THEM WILL BE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

[5. Discuss the proposed FY 25-26 budget and proposed tax rate. – Mr. Mundo]

MODESTO DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

KNOW YOU GOT LOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN.

THEY HAVE.

YOU WANNA BRING UP THE SLIDER PRESENTATION? WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT A VERY BORING SUBJECT.

AND GOSH, I'M NOT WEARING, I DON'T SEE THE DOLLAR BILLS FALLING DOWN.

I'M NOT WEARING MY GLASSES.

MM-HMM.

DO YOU HAVE ANY I'LL TRY TO, HMM.

ARE IN YOUR OFFICE? NO, THEY'RE IN THE CAR.

UM, SO I'LL TRY TO GIVE KIND OF THE, THEY'RE ON THE DASH WITH ALL THESE OTHER REASONS.

, THE, UM, THE LOWDOWN.

WHAT HAPPENED IS, YOU CAN SEE IN 2024 LAST YEAR WHAT OUR VALUES WERE.

THESE ARE GRAND TOTAL, UH, UM, WITH, UM, I GUESS THINGS UNDER PROTEST, UH, EVERYTHING.

UM, IT WAS 3, 4, 4, 3 THEN, AND IT CHANGES DAILY.

UM, AND SO IT'S A MO IT'S ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET.

PRELIMINARY IN THIS YEAR.

UM, WE GET IT IN MAY.

THEY GAVE US 3.6 MILLION BI 3.6, I'M SORRY, 3.6 BILLION.

CERTIFIED ROLE WAS $80 MILLION LESS THAN THE SEVEN, UH, 25.

UM, OF THE 7 24, THE CERTIFIED VALUES, THAT'S A, THAT HAD, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DROP IN VALUES.

THE TWO, UM, WHERE WE'VE HAD THE MOST DROP IN THE VALUES WERE, I THINK MAYBE WE CAN GO, IS YOU COULD SEE THIS WAS IN 24, 3 0.4 MILLION.

AND THEN THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS CERTIFIED VALUES OF 3.3 OF 80 MILLION DROP.

AND THEN YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE DROP IS IN EACH PIE.

THE BIGGEST ONES WERE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL .

NO, THAT'S ALRIGHT.

I'M FINE.

UH, SO THOSE, THOSE WERE THE BIGGEST DROPS IN INDUSTRIAL, UH, IN, IN VALUES.

HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THE, THE OVERALL TAX RATE OR THE NO NEW? IT AFFECTS THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE AND THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE IN THE, IN THE NO NEW REVENUE TAX RATE.

WHAT IT DOES IS THAT IF VALUES GO UP, OUR TAX RATE GOES DOWN.

IF VALUES GO DOWN, THE TAX RATE GOES UP BECAUSE THE TAX RATE IS SUPPOSED TO GENERATE THE SAME, THE SAME AMOUNT OF INCOME AS THE LAST YEAR.

AND SO THIS YEAR WITH AN $80 MILLION DROP, THE TAX RATE SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO UP TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF REVENUE.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WOULD PAY ANY, PAY ANY MORE TAX.

IT'S REALLY ALL ON INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY, ON HOW YOUR TAX GO UP.

BECAUSE WE ONLY LOOK AT ONE NUMBER.

WE ONLY SEE ONE NUMBER, EVERYTHING IN THERE.

AND HOMES DID DROP, BUT NOT THE SA AT THE SAME RATE AS COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.

SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'LL SEE A BIGGER SAVINGS.

SO THE TAX BURDEN HAS SHIFTED, UH, UH, OR BEEN TAKEN AWAY A LITTLE BIT, UH, IN, ON THE INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL.

SO I GUESS THEY DON'T GIVE ANY EXPLANATION OF WHY THEY THINK COMMERCIAL AND HAS GONE DOWN FOR LAKE.

IT, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY BETTER LAWYERS.

UM, AND IT COULD BE THE, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE, A LOT OF IT'S, UH, BECAUSE IT'S TIED TO INCOME PRODUCING, IS IT RENTED AND PRODUCING INCOME? RIGHT.

AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN THEY, THEN THE VALUE, UH, GETS DROPPED AS WELL.

SO, UH, IT HAS A DIFFERENT, UH, EXTRA COMPONENT THAN RESIDENTIAL, UH, AS OF WHICH CAN, WHICH THE ECONOMY CAN AFFECT.

AND IN INDUSTRIAL AREA IT ALSO IS TIED TO INVENTORY TOO.

SO YOU MAY HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, SLOW PRODUCTION.

LOCAL INDUSTRY, CHEMICAL INDUSTRY IS REPORTING THAT, UH, ECONOMICS AREN'T LOOKING GOOD.

LESS INVENTORY.

AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE, INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL DOES HAVE TWO COMPONENTS.

IT HAS PERSONAL PROPERTY AND REAL PROPERTY IN BOTH CASES, BOTH DROPPED IN INDUSTRY THEY DROPPED, UH, EQUALLY.

AND, UH, YEAH.

AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU, YOU START THINKING ABOUT THE, THE INVENTORY COMPONENT OF INDUSTRIAL IS, UH, ALL THE

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AND SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CUTTING BACK ON PRODUCTION.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY SHUTTING DOWN.

SOME FACILITIES ARE SHUTTING DOWN.

SO, AND IN OURS WE ONLY HAVE FIVE PROPERTIES ON INDUSTRIAL, UH, ON, ON THIS.

AND, UM, THAT'S REALLY ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT'S WHAT DROPPED.

AND SO, UH, 50% OF THE DROP IS ACROSS THE STREET.

UM, THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A MISNOMER, UM, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN IT.

IT'S AGAIN, IS TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX AS WAS COLLECTED THIS YEAR FOR DEBT AND M AND O TO GENERATE THE SAME AMOUNT AS LAST YEAR.

BUT WE HAVE APPROVED AND SOLD 20.4 MILLION.

SO WE HAVE TO INCREASE THE INS RATE TO COLLECT MORE.

SO NO MATTER WHAT, THE TAX RATE WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE MORE THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE TO PAY FOR THE DEBT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

SO IT'S ANYTIME WE, WE HISTORICALLY HAVE ALWAYS HAD ALL OF OUR, UH, GEO DEBT APPROVED BY THE VOTERS OR NOW UNTIL FOREVER.

IF WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT, THE COUNCIL WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO VOTE ON A TAX INCREASE AFTER A BOND ISSUE IS ISSUED.

'CAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE THAN THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE BECAUSE THIS RATE DOES NOT INCLUDE NEW DEBT.

THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE THOUGH INCLUDES THE MAXIMUM THAT, I MEAN THE VOTER APPROVAL FOR THE M AND O AND ALSO INCLUDES THE NEW DEBT.

SO THEY'RE NOT COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES, UH, IN THAT REGARD.

SO IF WE, UM, THIS WOULD INCLUDE THE THREE AND A HALF PERCENT INCREASE, YOU KNOW, FOR US FOR REVENUE, IT BRINGS US BACK TO, TO AND MO AND IT PAYS FOR THE RECOGNIZING OF THE NEW DEBT THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE VOTERS.

SO ARE WE LOOKING AT THE 0.39? AS FOR THE 0.37, I AM RECOMMENDING A 3, 7, 8, 9.

ORIGINAL EXPANSION OF THE, OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BUT WE ASK COUNSEL TO ALWAYS, WHEN WE ADVERTISE TO, UM, TO VOTE TO ADVERTISE ON THE VOTER APPROVAL TAX RATE, GIVING YOU FLEXIBILITY AND WHERE YOU MAKE YOUR FINAL JUDGMENT ON YOUR RATE.

SO HISTORICALLY, WE'VE ALWAYS ASKED COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AND STUFF.

AND THEN YOU DECIDE ON WHAT THE RATE IS.

RIGHT NOW I AM RECOMMENDING, SO YOU CAN SEE THE RATES AS WE STAND TODAY WE ARE AT 0.3 2 5 9 2 3 9.

UM, AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO READ, YOU'LL SEE THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, WHICH IS THE BASE TO KEEP US AT TALL, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, AND THEN THE RATE THAT I AM RECOMMENDING AT THE 0.3 7 8 9 1 1.

WHAT THAT MEANS, AND IN FACT, YOU CAN SEE THE ESTIMATED TAX THAT IS PAID.

THE 9 82, UH, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE IS REALLY ZERO, UH, FOR US.

UM, AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, THE CHANGE TO THE TAX RATE, AND THEN THE RATE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING, WHICH IS A 0.04 CENT INCREASE FROM THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE.

WHEN WE WENT TO THE VOTERS, WE SAID WE ANTICIPATED THAT THE TAX RATE WOULD INCREASE 4.20 CENTS FOR THE ISSUANCE OF THE, UH, FOR THE BOND SALE THAT WE PRESENTED TO THEM.

WE SAID 4.8 FOR ALL 20.4 MILLION IN THE COUNCIL MEETING, BUT IN, IN OUR EDUCATIONAL MATERIAL, EXCEPT WE SAID 4.2 BASED ON WHAT THE, THE NEW ONE IS.

SO WE REALLY TRIED TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, AS CLOSE AS WE COULD TO THE, OUR WORK OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WAS TRYING TO GET IT AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE 4.4 0.2.

THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT IS, UH, LET'S SAY ON THAT SLIDE IS WE BUDGETED FOR $6.447 MILLION WORTH OF REVENUE THAT'S IN THE BUDGET.

BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MUCH APPEALS LAST YEAR THAT HAD NOT BEEN FINISHED AT THE CERTIFIED ROLE.

ONCE THEY FINISHED, WE ACTUALLY WERE GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY THAN WE THOUGHT WE WERE, WE'RE WE ARE SAYING WE DON'T NEED THAT.

WE DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT AND USE THAT TO PAY FOR THE DEBT ISSUANCE.

REALLY FOR, UM, THE

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BY MAKING, BY TURNING BY NOT USING, UTILIZING THAT MONEY AND THEN ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OUR REBATE ON A THREE 80 AGREEMENT WAS AT 600,000 LAST YEAR.

IT WIND UP BEING 532 BY TAKING, TAKING IT DOWN TO FIVE 50.

'CAUSE IT WILL GROW A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE BOND ISSUE AND INCREASING OUR SALES TAX, ANOTHER 21,000, UM, WE THINK HOLDING THE M AND O TAX RATE THE SAME AS THIS YEAR WILL IN YELLOW, WE'LL GET, UH, 6.4 UH, MILLION IN TAXES.

AND WE OFFSET AGAIN THAT, THAT LOSS WITH 21,000 INCREASE IN SALES TAX.

SO WE CAN BE AT TALL, UH, BY DOING THAT.

THERE'S ONE OTHER PROVISION THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO, TO KEEP IT IN LINE.

UH, LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE IN, UH, DEBT PAYMENTS ON THE GEO THAT'S BEEN GROWING BECAUSE OF INTEREST RATE.

WE CAN USE 131,000 IN THAT BALANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TWO TAX RATES.

YOU HAVE A M AND O TAX RATE AND AN INS, WE CAN USE 131 THOU THOUSAND OF THAT TO OFFSET THE LITTLE BIT HIGHER INTEREST RATE THAT WE GOT.

WE, WE WERE ESTIMATING 4%, WE GOT ABOUT 4.1.

WE CAN BUY THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, UM, ON OUR TAX FORM AND SOFTEN THE BLOW, UM, THIS YEAR ON THE DEBT, ON THE DEBT ISSUANCE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING.

SO FOR THE SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES WE HAD, THE TRANSFER OF THE 30,000 TO SPECIAL EVENTS HAVE BEEN RESTORED, UH, ONE TO TWO PERSONAL LEAVES, UM, DAYS.

AND THEN THESE ARE THE CHANGES THAT I'M RECOMMENDING IN THE M AND O RATE TO MAINTAIN IT AT 0.02, WHICH MEANS WE'RE ACTUALLY TAKING IN LESS TAX REVENUE, UH, THIS COMING YEAR AND REDUCING, UM, THE, THE THREE 80 AGREEMENT 50,000 AND INCREASING THE PROPOSED SALES TAX BY MODEST 21.

AND THEN, UM, THE DEBT, THE DEBT SERVICE, AND WE CAN BRING IN THAT TAX RATE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING OF THE 0.3 7 8 9 1 1.

SO I HAD THE PERSONAL LEAVE DAYS WILL NOT AFFECT ANY COST CITY ANY MONEY.

IT DOESN'T.

THERE'S NO, THERE'S THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, WE STILL, IT'S ON THE, IT GETS THE LISTING.

IT'S NOT A, IT WAS JUST A LISTING OF THE CHANGES THAT WE GOT DIRECTION AND APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL.

THERE'S NO DOLLAR AMOUNT.

IT WAS JUST, THAT WAS AN OPTION FOR MAYOR INCREASE TO DO THE ONE POINT.

SO WE, WE WERE TRYING TO, UH, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THE DIRECTION WE GOT FROM COUNCIL.

YEP.

GOOD, GOOD.

IS THERE ANOTHER SLIDE? THIS SHOWS US IN THE REGION THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE AND THEN IT SHOWS THE RATE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING AND WHERE IT WOULD BE IN THERE.

OF COURSE, THESE, ALL THESE TAX RATES WILL BE, YOU KNOW, COULD GO UP OR GO DOWN.

UH, THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SHOWS THE IMPACT OF THE EVENT.

EACH CITY'S RATE IN THEIR CITY USING OUR BENCHMARK OF APPROXIMATELY $300,000.

AND THE RATES IN PURPLE ARE OURS.

THOSE ARE THE RATES THAT I AM RECOMMENDING.

THE, THE TAX RATE THAT I'M RECOMMENDING, THAT'S WHAT THE UM, THAT'S WHAT OUR HOMEOWNERS WOULD PAY.

SO YOU CAN STILL SEE OUT OF THE CITIES, WE ARE STILL LOWER THAN ANY CITY, UH, IN MISSOURI COUNTY.

AND SO THERE'S THIS MISNOMER THAT LAKE JACKSON HAS, UH, I SAW IT ON A POST THE OTHER DAY ON A FACEBOOK POST.

WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO MOVE THEIR BUSINESS TO LAKE JACKSON AND PAY ALL THOSE HIGHER TAXES WHEN IN FACT THEY'RE PAYING A HIGHER TAX THAN THE CITY THAT'S NEXT DOOR TO US.

AND SO, UM, I THINK THAT MISPERCEPTION IS BECAUSE WE OFFER EXCELLENT SERVICES AND THEY JUST ASSUME THAT OUR TAXES ARE MEDICALLY HIGH, BUT WE'RE THE LOWEST.

AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE THE LOWEST IS 'CAUSE WE HAVE A GOOD SALES TAX BASE AND WE HAVE A STRONG INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENT PLEASE.

AND WE HAVE VERY GOOD, DOES THAT EXPIRE INDUSTRIAL AGREEMENT? UM, 2026.

DECEMBER, 2026.

SO WE GO TO NEGOTIATE.

THAT WILL BE A, THAT'S A MAJOR ITEM ON OUR LIST.

SO SIX YEARS AGREEMENT IS FOR SIX YEARS.

UH, IT CAN BE UP TO 15.

THE, UH, SO AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA ADVERTISE AT THE THREE NINE.

THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

SO EVERYBODY READS THE NEWSPAPER, THEY'RE GONNA SEE THREE NINE.

DO OUR, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND STUFF, THE VALUE THAT SOMETHING CHANGES WILL BE, THAT WE WILL REC, THAT WE WILL VOTE ON IS PROBABLY GONNA BE THREE SEVEN.

AND, BUT WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE AFTER WE, WE

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IS THAT RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING? UH, 3, 7, 8, 9, 1.

1, 1, 1, 1.

GET THE ONE.

I REALLY WANT TO LEAVE THE ONE OFF .

UM, BUT UH, YES, THAT WOULD BE THE RATE THAT, THAT'S THE RATE THAT I AM RECOMMENDING AND WHICH WINDS UP BEING 0.04 CENTS MORE THAN THE NO NEED NEVER RENEW RATE, WHICH IS REALLY, IT'S ALL DEBT.

IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL THE BONDS.

IT'S ALL WHAT THE VOTERS APPROVED AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE TAX RATE'S MOVING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE SAID.

UM, OKAY.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR NO, SIR.

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

EVERYBODY FELL ASLEEP.

CH IT WAS THE EXCELLENT PRESENTATION THAT YOU WARN US NEXT TIME.

THAT KEPT YOU AWAKE.

OH, JAMES IS, JAMES IS GETTING EXCITED HERE.

HE'S NEXT TIME.

[6. Call for a public hearing for the FY 25-26 proposed annual budget and the proposed tax rate of $0.394840 / $100 on August 18, 2025, at 6:30 p.m. at 25 Oak Drive. – James Bryson]

CALL FOR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 26 PROPOSED ANNUAL BUDGET AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE OF, I DUNNO IF ADD ANYTHING MORE TO WHAT MS. MR. MENDO DID.

HE DID AN EXCELLENT JOB.

NO JOB.

WELL, UM, WHAT KIND OF, WHAT END OF THE ROPE DO YOU THROW OUT TO AN ENGINEER THAT'S DROWNING? LET'S HAVE A MEETING ABOUT IT.

BOTH .

WHY DO CHIROPRACTORS GET AUDITED MORE OFTEN THAN ANYBODY ELSE? BACK TAXES.

BYE .

ENOUGH OF THAT.

UM, SO YOU'RE GONNA ASK, ASK US TO APPROVE A MEETING ON THE, I AM GONNA BEG FOR YOUR TO APPROVE A, UH, OPEN HEARING AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THE BUDGET AND THE, UH, TAX RATE.

AND AS, UH, MR. MUNDO SUGGESTED OR COMMENTED ON, WE ARE GONNA APPROVE, ASK FOR THE APPROVED VOTER APPROVAL RATE FOR THE NEWSPAPER.

BUT WE WILL, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE BUDGET'S BUILT ON.

THE BUDGET'S BUILT ON AN M AND O RATE THAT'S TIED TO THE SAME AMOUNT AS LAST YEAR PLUS THAT 4 CENT INCREASE THAT WE HAVE ON THE DEBT SIDE.

UM, FOR TRANSPARENCY PURPOSES, MODESTO PUT THIS IN THERE FOR ME SO I COULD, UH, HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE TONIGHT.

SO I HAVE THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE PROVIDE THIS TO KRISTEN AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, BUT SHE GETS THIS INFORMATION FROM US AND WE GET IT FROM HILLTOP.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE GIVE HER TO BUILD THE WORKSHEET THAT IS FOLLOWING THE PAGE AFTER THIS.

SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE WORKSHOP PAGE THAT WE WE'RE GONNA GET TO, SHE'S PROVIDING US THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE AND THE, UH, TAX APPROVED RATE.

AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WE, WE GIVE HER THE FUND BALANCES BASED OFF OF OUR AUDIT.

AND THEN THE PAGES BELOW THOSE ARE THE DEBT RATIO.

THOSE ARE COME FROM, UH, HILLTOP.

SO THAT'S THE AMORTIZATION FOR THE DEBT THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS YEAR.

AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE 5 6 9 9 IS WHAT WAS, IF YOU GO TO THE BUDGET, EVEN HAVE THE PAGE NUMBER, I THINK IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, BUT PAGE NUMBER ONE 20 OF THE BUDGET WILL TIE BACK TO THAT 5 6 9 9, WHICH IS LINE 46 OF IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SECTION.

SO THERE, AS YOU GET TO THE TAX, THIS IS WHAT KRISTEN GIVES US, UH, AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

THE FIRST PART OF THE WORKSHEET IS REALLY JUST LAST YEAR'S NUMBERS AND SHOWING YOU HOW THEY GET BACK TO THE, THE LEVY THAT THEY REQUIRED FOR LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO YOU HAVE THE PROPERTY VALUATIONS AND YOU HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE GONNA, THAT WERE GENERATED BASED OFF OF THOSE NUMBERS, WHICH YOU, YOU CAN, THESE ARE ALL JUST PRIOR YEAR NUMBERS IN THE BEGINNING.

IT'S LINE 42.

OH YEAH.

IF YOU WANNA SHOW THAT NUMBER.

YEAH, IF YOU WANNA SHOW THE DEBT, IT'S, SO IF YOU GO TO LINE 42, WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, WE WERE, JAMES HAD MENTIONED WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO 5 6 9 9 4 6 5, WHICH IS WHAT WE INITIALLY COUNTED OUR TAX RATE.

WE'RE DRAWING DOWN 131,000 FROM THE DEBT FUND.

THIS IS WHERE IT COMES OFF.

SO THAT 5.8 IS WHAT OUR, WHAT? THE BOND, UH, WHEN WE OPEN BONDS, IT SAID THAT'S WHAT OUR DEBT RATE'S GOING TO.

WE'RE SUBTRACTION TO 1 31.

'CAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE 5 6, 9 9.

AND THEN THAT HAS A POSITIVE, EFFECTIVE LOWERING THE DEBT RATE.

THE INS RATE A LITTLE, A LITTLE BIT TO GET US TO FOR ONE YEAR, FOR ONE YEAR, YEAR.

BUT YEAR NEXT YEAR IS DROPPING.

WE HAVE PRINCIPAL PAYMENT.

SO EACH YEAR WE DROP ABOUT 150,000.

IS WE'RE, WE'RE DOING A, A LUMP SUM THIS YEAR TO BUY IT TO WHAT IT WILL BE NEXT YEAR.

SO THEY WOULD JUST BE THIS YEAR.

'CAUSE NEXT YEAR IS DEBT PAYMENT.

SO REALLY WHAT WE'RE BUYING

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GET US OVER HERE BUMP YES.

GET US OVER THE HIGHEST PART OF WHAT IT WILL BE.

AND I GUESS IF YOU GO BACK A FEW LIKE TO LINE, LET'S SEE, LINE 30, 39, YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE M AND O RATE COMES INTO EFFECT.

SO REALLY ALL THEY'RE DOING IS THEY'RE TAKING THE CALCULATION FOR THE, THE CERTIFIED TAX ROLL AND THEY'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT OUR M AND O WAS FOR THIS YEAR.

SO THEY CAN COME BACK TO THAT SAME NUMBER.

AND TO GET TO THAT, THAT'S THAT 2 1 7.

AND THEN IF YOU SEE ON THE VERY BOTTOM LINE, 41 AT THE BOTTOM WHERE YOU SAY THERE'S A 3.5% REQUIREMENT, YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T GO MORE THAN THREE AND A HALF, YOU SEE THAT 1.035, THAT'S THEM CALCULATING THE DEBT RATIO, OR I'M SORRY, THE, UH, VOTER APPROVAL RATE FOR THE M AND O.

SO THEY'RE TAKING THE BASE M AND O UP THERE FOR NO NEW REVENUE AND TIMESING IT BY THE 3.35 TO GET YOU THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

THEN THEY ADD THE DEBT REQUIREMENT ABOUT 1.6.

AND THAT'S HOW YOU GET THAT NUMBER.

YEAH, I KNOW, RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO THE POINT IS, I KNOW YOU THOUGHT WE DID THIS IN HOUSE, THE POINT IS WE DO NOT DO THIS.

THE TAX ASSESSOR, THE GETS INFORMATION APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

YOU'VE GOT MARCEL, YOU'VE GOT KRISTEN.

COUNTY.

AND THEY GET INFORMATION FROM US.

HILLTOP.

SO IT'S, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET INVOLVED IN THIS.

SO ON THE LAST PAGE YOU GET THE THREE NUMBERS THAT EVERYBODY COMES BACK TO AND IT'S REALLY JUST THE NO NEW REVENUE RATE, THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE, AND THE DI MINIMUM RATE.

UH, RIGHT THERE YOU GIVE, THAT'S YOUR SUMMARY.

BUT, AND JAMES WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY IF YOU WANT TO SET UP A MEETING TO GO OVER I TO GO THROUGH IT.

AFTER I, UM, WHAT ELSE AM I WORKING ON? THERE'S AN OVERACHIEVER AFTER I DO MY, UH, AWARD AND ANSWER MY THING FOR SHERRY.

YEAH, YOU GET THAT DONE.

THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND.

SO DO WE NEED TO CALL FOR, YOU NEED TO CALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND SET THE PROPOSED TAX RATE AT 0.394 TO MAKE A MOTION.

ALRIGHT, MAYOR, I'D MAKE A MOTION TO CALL FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 25 26, PROPOSING A BUDGET AND POST TAX RATE OF 0.3 9 4 8 4 0 400 ON AUGUST 18TH, 2025 AT 6:30 PM AT 25 5.

WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH, I SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BAKER.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

TRAINED EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT.

ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES.

[7. New Business updates. – David Walton]

NEW BUSINESS.

GOOD EVENING.

MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UH, IF YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UH, COUNCIL COMMUNICATION FORM WITH THE, UM, DATA ON THERE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S BEEN APPROVED OR WHATNOT, WE ACTUALLY PUT WHERE THEY ARE IN THE, IN THE PROGRESS OF THAT PROJECT.

DOES THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO.

IT'S NICE TO SEE ALL THE NEW STUFF.

[8. Staff updates]

UH, STAFF UPDATES.

UH, JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, UH, LAURA MARIE'S DONE A LOT OF WORK ON UPDATING THE, UM, THE EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS PAGE.

SHE CAN QUICKLY SHOW YOU THE, UH, THE PAGE SO YOU CAN SEE A, A QUICK, A QUICK HIGH.

OH, WELL, AND I CAN, AND THEN, UH, LAURA MARIE CAN EXPLAIN IT.

UH, YOU WANNA GO TO THE FRONT JUST TO SHOW YOU WHERE IT, LAURA MARIE, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT HE STOLE MINE.

I WAS GONNA TELL YOU, YOU'VE BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB ON THE HURRICANE, SO, OH, THANK YOU .

UM, WHILE THEY'RE DOING IT, I JUST WANNA MAKE A COMMENT.

IT'S, YOU'VE BEEN HEARING THE NEWS, UH, UH, INVOLVING, UH, CONCERNING THE, UH, STORMS AND STUFF THAT WE HAD UP NORTH AND THE FLOODS AND EVERYTHING.

AND A LOT OF CITIES AND COUNTIES ARE GETTING, UH, SOME BAD, UH, WORDS SAID ABOUT THAT.

THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE, UH, PROFESSIONAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT PEOPLE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND, UH, THAT'S THE ROLE THAT BRIAN FILL.

HE AND YOU ALL KNOW HE'S EXTREMELY TRAINED.

HE DOES TRAINING TO OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE, THE STATE OF TEXAS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THE CHALLENGE IS SOME OF THESE, AGAIN, SOME OF THESE COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE A VERY SMALL POPULATION.

THEY HAVE A LARGE AREA, BUT A SMALL POPULATION.

SO THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY ONLY HAVE THE FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A BRIAN AND, UH, AND SEND SOMEBODY OFF TO BE EDUCATED AND STUFF, TO HAVE ALL THE TRAINING AND EVERYTHING.

SO THAT'S SOME OF THE DEALS THAT THE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TOWARD THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS

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AND PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF.

YES, MR. NEY MADE A WISE CALL YEARS AGO OF RECOGNIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEEDED SOMEONE DEDICATED, YOU KNOW, UH, FOR THAT.

AND I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITIES AND THE COUNTIES UP NORTH ARE JUST NOT AS PREPARED AS WE ARE.

UH, BECAUSE WE HAVE WHAT WE DEAL WITH IT MORE, WE HAVE THE THREAT OF A HURRICANE.

AND SO WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES, THEY, UH, THEY RECOGNIZE THAT, OH, UH, EVERY YEAR IS AN, IS A POSSIBLE EVENT.

AND SO WE'VE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RECOGNIZED THAT AND WE'VE PUT MORE RESOURCES.

IT, A LOT OF TIMES IT'S HARD AND IT'S STILL, EVEN IF YOU HAD AN EMERGENCY PREPARED PREPAREDNESS OFFICIAL, IT'S HARD TO PREPARE FOR AN EVENT THAT HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY.

30 MINUTES, 30 MINUTES WITHOUT, WE HAVE THE LUXURY AND THE TORTURE OF KNOWING THAT AN EMERGENCY IS COMING AT US.

UM, SO THIS IS THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THE JB BUTTON ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER OR THE, THE JB BUTTON.

THE JB BUTTON.

HE WANTS A BIG BUTTON.

YES, I REMEMBER THAT.

HE WANTS A BIG BUTTON.

AND WE HAVE A BIG BUTTON RIGHT HERE.

SO, SO, UM, YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL, YOU'LL GET STRAIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEBSITE.

YOU'LL COME, YOU WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO HALFWAY DOWN AND YOU'LL SEE THE BUTTON, YOU CAN CLICK ON IT AND IT'LL TAKE YOU TO, UM, THE PAGES THAT MODESTO SAID THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO CLEAN UP.

THERE'S, UH, UH, REALLY NO NEW INFORMATION.

IT'S JUST BEEN REPACKAGED, UH, WITH THE IDEA TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE EOC, WHAT IT ACTUALLY DOES, UM, AND TO IMMEDIATELY TELL THEM TO CHECK OUT YOUR EVACUATION ROUTES.

UM, THERE ARE SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS YES.

THAT I'VE MADE WITH, UM, WITH BRIAN, AND THEY'RE JUST PACKAGED A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

SO THEY ACTUALLY GO WITH THE SECTION THAT, UM, I'VE WRITTEN ABOUT.

SO OUR CONTENT AND OUR VIDEO IS KIND OF ALIGNED NOW.

SO YOU CAN SEE, YES, THERE'S THE EVACUATION ROUTES AND IT'S VERY CLEAR WHICH ONES YOU CAN TAKE.

AND IT'S ALSO VERY CLEAR THAT IF YOU DON'T GO ON THESE ROUTES, YOU MAY NOT HAVE FOOD, GAS, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU NEED.

UM, AND THEN, UH, STEER, WHICH IS AN AREA THAT I'LL BE WORKING ON NEXT, BECAUSE WE'VE RECENTLY HAD A, UH, ROUNDTABLE DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE GAPS THAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CHIEF AND BRIAN HAVE BROUGHT UP HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.

SO I'LL BE DOING A LOT OF STRONG MESSAGING ON THAT.

UM, SO IF YOU GO BACK UP TO THE TOP ON, I WANTED THEM TO SEE THE SIDE ON THE SIDE PANELS, WE HAVE IMMEDIATELY A DISCUSSION.

YES, YOU CAN TALK TO BRIAN IF YOU HAVE A FEW HOURS.

UM, BUT WE IMMEDIATELY TELL 'EM THAT THIS IS WHERE YOU GO TO GET INFORMATION FROM US.

I'VE LISTED ALL OF, UH, THE PLATFORMS AND HOW TO GET TO THEM.

AND THEN AFTER UNDERNEATH THAT, I BELIEVE, YES, WE HAVE THE HURRICANE GUIDE THAT THE COUNTY PUTS OUT.

THEN AFTER THAT, I THINK THERE'S A LOT, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF LEAKS, LINKS THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE ROUTES AND MORE INFORMATION.

SO YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE'S A BILINGUAL EVACUATION INFORMATION FOR STEER.

AND THEN ON THE, UM, LEFT SIDE OF THE MENU, YOU'LL ALSO SEE A LOT OF, UH, THINGS THAT ARE NOT EMERGENCY RELATED, BUT VERY IMPORTANT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, I WORKED WITH ERIC TO GET, UM, THE DEBRIS STACKING AND CLEANUP HELP.

SO IF YOU CLICK ON THAT ONE, ANNA, IT, YOU'LL SEE I, IT'S RIGHT UNDERNEATH STEER.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE THAT WE IMMEDIATELY TELL PEOPLE THIS IS HOW YOU NEED TO START STACKING YOUR STUFF TO GET CLEANED UP.

SO I THINK IF YOU KEEP GOING, YOU'LL ACTUALLY SEE A GRAPHIC THAT ERIC GAVE ME.

UH, WE GOT ANY GREAT JOB WITH THE BUTTON? THE BUTTON? THE BUTTON.

SO THERE'S THE, AND I THINK DURING HURRICANE, WHEN I'M IN THE EOC, YOU SEE ME CONSTANTLY POSTING THIS GRAPHIC.

SO IT'S THERE NOW.

UM, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE THIS YEAR TO INCREASE KNOWLEDGE OF, UH, HURRICANES.

WELL, I WORKED WITH MALLORY TO PUT ONE SIDE OF A WATER BILL, UM, INSERT TO, TO PROMOTE THE 4TH OF JULY.

AND THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, I PROMOTED THIS ACTUAL PAGE.

SO I WENT IN OUR WATER BILLS AND I FOUND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY STARTED TELLING ME THAT THEY SAW THE 4TH OF JULY IN THEIR WATER BILL, BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL ME THAT THEY SAW HOW TO MANAGE ALL THEIR HURRICANE INFORMATION.

THEY DIDN'T MENTION THAT, BUT THEY DID MENTION THE 4TH OF JULY.

SO THEY GOT, THEY GOT IT.

THEY SAW IT.

SO ANYWAY, UM, YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER 'EM.

[02:30:01]

UH, ACTIONS FROM TODAY, TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, I THINK SHERRY'S GOT SOMETHING TO COME BACK TO US ON.

WE WILL COME BACK WITH, UH, POLICY, UH, WELL, JAMES AND SHERRY WILL COME BACK WITH A POLICY, UH, CHANGE ON THE PURCHASING RIGHT.

UH, FOR ADOPTION.

AND THEN WE HAVE A SECOND READING ON THE, UH, SITE PLANS.

SOUNDS GOOD.

[ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST]

UH, GOT UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

UH, WELL DONE ON THE HURRICANE FACEBOOK POSTS AND THEN ALSO SOME SCHOOLS WERE STARTING BACK ON MONDAY.

HAD IS TRUE MR. SCHOOLER, NOTHING ADDITIONAL HONOR THE 13TH? UH, NO.

IT'S JUST BEWARE THE SCHOOL ZONE AND, UH, , BE SAFE.

BE SAFE.

UM, REAL QUICK, UH, YOU, UH, COUNSEL, IT'S, UH, SALLY WILL BE SENDING Y'ALL A COPY OF THE NEW, UH, BOOKLET THAT IS FOR THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HANDING TO, UH, ALL OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS, AND IT'LL BE THERE FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW AND GIVE HER FEEDBACK ON IT IF WE GOT ANYTHING THAT WE MISSED OR WHATEVER.

BUT IT'S GONNA BE A TOOL, UH, A BOOK THAT, UH, WILL, UH, UH, ONCE WE, IT'S PASSED THROUGH US COUNSEL, AND THEN SHE GETS EVERYTHING'S DONE WITH US, THEN SHE'LL, UH, AND MODESTO WILL TAKE IT TO, UH, THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND A FEW OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

I'LL GO ALONG AND WHEN WE HAND IT TO THEM, AND WE'LL, UH, TALK TO ABOUT ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND STUFF.

BUT THE, THE PLAN IS, IS THAT WHENEVER WE GOING FORWARD, EVERY YEAR WHEN WE APPOINT NEW, UH, MEMBERS TO, UH, BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS THAT, UH, WE'LL HAVE A, UH, UH, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE ALL THE NEW MEMBERS COME TOGETHER, UH, INVITE THEM TO COME TOGETHER AND, UH, STAFF ALONG WITH THE MAYOR WILL SIT DOWN WITH THEM, UH, AND MAYBE DO A LUNCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND TALK THROUGH THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES SO THEY HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEIR ROLES, RESPONSIBILITIES ARE.

UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M LOOKING FORWARD.

I I REALLY LIKE IT.

IT'S, IT'S REALLY GOOD.

AND, UM, I THINK IT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THOSE FOLKS, ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY THAT'S COMING ON NEW THAT REALLY DOESN'T KNOW FOR SURE WHAT THEY STEPPED INTO.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S IT.

SO, ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? NO, SIR.

[EXECUTIVE SESSION]

WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, EXECUTIVE SESSION.

ALRIGHT, BREAK.

ON THE LAST ITEM THAT IS SALARIES, WE DO WHAT INDIVIDUALLY INFO OR DO ALL, JUST DO THE WHOLE THING IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY WITH THAT.

Y'ALL CAN DO A BREAK WHILE I'M READING THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND, AS LONG THIS, UH, FORM STAYS IN HERE, UH, UNDER THE TEXAS, UH, GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 TO 0 7 4 8.

ALL PERSONNEL MATTERS TO DELIBERATE THE EMPLOYMENT EVALUATION AND DUTIES OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, ALTERNATE GENERAL, UH, JUDGE, CITY, JUDGE, CITY ATTORNEY, AND CITY MANAGER.

[RECONVENE AND TAKE ACTION ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION]

I WILL MAKE A MOTION ON MUNICIPAL JUDGE, UH, CA 9 96 TO GIVE A 4% RAISE AT BRINGING HIM TO $28,118 AND 40 CENTS CA 9 97 SECOND MUNICIPAL JUDGE.

UH, 4% RAISE AT $74,412.

CITY ATTORNEY 4% RAISE $200,149 AND 4 CENTS PLUS THREE DAYS OF PAID TIME OFF.

AND THEN THE CITY MANAGER BRING HIM ALSO 4% AT $266,470 AND 88 CENTS, AND FIVE DAYS OF PAID TIME OFF.

CAN I ASK YOU, UH, TAKE A MOTION ON THAT? SO YOU GOT, YOU MADE A MOTION.

SECOND, SECOND IS BUELL.

YEP.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NO.

I NEED WHAT, CAN SHE REPEAT THE NUMBERS FOR THE FIRST THREE? NO, PLEASE.

UH, MUNICIPAL JUDGE NUMBER ONE IS $28,118 AND 40 CENTS.

AND THEN CITY MANAGERS $266,470 AND 88 CENTS, AND FIVE DAYS OF PTO.

JUDGE, TWO $74,412 FOR CITY ATTORNEY, $200,149 AND 4 CENTS OH 4 CENTS PLUS THREE PLUS THREE DAYS OF PTO

[02:35:02]

SO I HAD A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SETH, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.