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WITH, UH, SIX 30 ANYWAY.WELCOME TO 6:30 AM WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 2ND REGULAR SESSION OF LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL.
MEETING AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS.
WE'LL BEGIN THIS EVENING, UH, WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COUNCILMAN HANYA I YOU FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE FOR ALL ON HONOR, TEXAS FLAG, OUR ALLEGED CITY, TEXAS.
ONE STATEMENT OR NOT ONE INDIVISIBLE INVOCATION THIS EVENING WILL BE, UH, GIVEN BY COUNCILMAN BUELL
FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR MEET HERE THIS EVENING.
AND AS OUR MEETING CONTINUES AND DECISIONS ARE TO BE MADE, WE ASK THAT YOU GIVE US THE STRENGTH, COURAGE, AND WISDOM TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT WE FEEL ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR, OUR CITY, AND THAT OF OUR RESIDENTS.
PLEASE BE WITH OUR EMT BY OUR POLICE PERSONNEL AS ALONG AS OUR MEN AND WOMEN ARE ARMED FORCES.
[1. Proclamation - VOW 22 ]
NEXT ITEM IS PRESENTATION.IT'S PROCLAMATION, UH, VOW 22.
MY WIFE HAS SAID MY GIDDY UP AS WELL ON.
SO DY GOT REPRESENTATIVE RIGHT HERE.
NOW I GONNA WALK ALL THIS WAY.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND GIMME YOUR NAME AGAIN? GREG DALEY.
ALRIGHT, SO WE HAVE PROCLAMATION FOR UP Y'ALL'S UPCOMING EVENT.
SO, UH, I, GERALD ROSKI BY THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2025 AS V 22 DAY, WHEREAS V 22 WAS ORIGINALLY INCORPORATED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION IN 2017.
AND WHEREAS ON SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2025, V 22, WE'LL BE SHOWING SUPPORT AND BRINGING AWARENESS TO, UH, VETERAN SUICIDES DURING THEIR EVENT AT THE CIVIC CENTER.
AND WHEREAS V 22 IS A GROUP OF FRIENDS, FAMILY, VETERANS THAT HAVE ALL BEEN AFFECTED BY POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER IN SOME WAY, THE ORGANIZATION SEEKS TO PREVENT VETERAN SUICIDE THROUGH COMMUNITY AWARENESS, CAMARADERIE, UH, INTERACTIONS AND COMMUNICATION WITH VETERANS.
WHEREAS ACCORDING TO THE VA SUICIDE DATA REPORT IN 2012, THERE IS A NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 22 SUICIDES PER DAY, OR 8,000 A YEAR.
THE VA STUDY ALSO SHOWED 11,000 NON-FATAL SUICIDES ATTEMPTS A YEAR.
NOW THEREFORE, WE THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY LAKE JACKSON DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2025 AS V 22 DAY IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON.
AND TESTIMONY WERE AS WITNESS MY HAND AND THE SEAL, THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, THE SECOND DAY OF SEPTEMBER, 2025.
YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND TELL EVERYBODY WHAT WE GOT PLANNED? WHAT Y'ALL HAVE PLANNED? SURE.
ON THE 13TH THAT WE'RE HAVING OUR 10TH ANNUAL HIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF THAT BEFORE.
SO WE MEET UP AT THE, UH, CIVIC CENTER.
THERE'S FOOD ACTIVITIES FOR ALL FAMILIES.
SO WE LIKE TO SEE EVERYBODY THERE THAT CAN POSSIBLY COME.
AND THEN WE HIKE FROM, UH, UH, THE, UH, CIVIC CENTER TO, UH, WHICH FIRE DEPARTMENT IS STATION TWO? STATION TWO.
STATION TWO ACROSS FROM KROGER, ACROSS FROM KROGER.
SO IT IS A BIT OF A HIKE, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT TIME WITH WATER, ALL KINDS OF THINGS THERE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE AN EVENT AFTERWARDS.
SO, LIKE I SAID, YOU ARE ALL INVITED AND, UH, WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE A GREAT TURNOFF, SO THANK YOU.
WE'VE ALL HAD, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF THE PEOPLE FROM COMMUNITY COME IN AND JOIN THE MARCH.
SO IT'S, THAT'S ALWAYS AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT.
Y'ALL WANT THE COMMUNITY COME OUT AND WALK WITH YOU AND MEET AND INTERACT WITH, WITH EVERYBODY.
UM, I TRIED TO TALK 'EM INTO THIS YEAR, UH, TO DO, UH, DODGE BALL YES.
SO MAYBE NEXT YEAR, EVERYBODY, WHATEVER.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WERE ABLE TO ARRANGE WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ARRANGE, UH, A TUG OF WAR AND, AND A DODGE BALL.
SO IT'S STILL, STILL POSSIBLE IN THE WORKS STILL POSSIBILITY.
SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THAT.
JUST SOMETHING EXTRA TO DO, UH, IN THE AFTERNOON.
'CAUSE Y'ALL HAVE Y'ALL'S, UH, AFTER THE, UH, EVENT PARTY TYPE THING TILL FOUR O'CLOCK OR SOMETHING.
SO, BUT, UH, IT'S A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE.
I MEAN THEY, UH, IT'S A TEAR JERKER AT FIRST, AT THE BEGINNING 'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT, THERE'S SOME SADNESS THERE, BUT EVERYBODY COMES TOGETHER AND WORKS TOGETHER AND STUFF.
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AN UNCLE THAT, UH, PASSED AWAY FROM, UH, HE WAS A VIETNAM VET AND THAT WAS BEFORE THEY KNEW WHAT PTSD WAS AND, AND, UH, ANYWAY, SO, UH, UH, HE TOOK HIS OWN LIFE MANY YEARS AGO.SO BECAUSE OF IT, IT IS TRAGIC.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP.
UH, WE HAVE COUNSELING FOR, UH, NOT ONLY THE VETERANS THAT ARE CONSIDERING, BUT ALSO FOR THE FAMILY MEMBERS TOO.
SO THAT'S THE MAIN PURPOSE FOR THIS IS THAT, UH, WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE, UH, VETERAN ARE NEEDED.
COULD YOU REPEAT THE TIME THAT THE, THE WALK STARTS FROM THE CIVIC CENTER? IT'LL START AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING IS WHEN WE'RE THERE.
THE HIKE ACTUALLY WILL START AT 10 30, SO OKAY.
SO EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING? YES, EIGHT IN THE MORNING.
IF YOU WANNA HELP OUT, YOU CAN COME EARLIER AND HELP PEOPLE SET UP.
ME AND RHONDA RUNS IT EVERY YEAR.
HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE GOOD WEATHER.
OKAY, SO NOW WE HAVE VISITOR COMMENTS.
UH, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE, UH, VISITORS AT, UH, TO THE MEETING TONIGHT CAN MAKE COMMENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON ANY OF THE AGENDAS.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT HAS SOMETHING YOU WANNA SPEAK TO COUNCIL ABOUT THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
[DECLARATION OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO DECLARATION OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST.THIS IS WHERE ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL CAN DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON ANY AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO IS THERE ANY NEED FOR DECLARATION TO HAVE CONFLICT OF INTEREST? ALRIGHT,
[CONSENT AGENDA]
NEXT WE HAVE CONSENT AGENDA.ITEM FOUR, I'M GONNA PULL ITEM FOUR FOR DISCUSSION SINCE WE'VE HAD A REQUEST FROM A CITIZEN TO, UH, COMMENT ON IT.
SO ITEM FOUR IS NOT GONNA BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
IT'S COME ON REGULAR AGENDA, FIRST ITEM.
AND, UH, OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVE THE REST OF THE AGENDA CONSENT AGENDA, UH, AS PRE PRESENTED AS IS.
AND IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT ANY OTHER ITEM THAT ITEM WOULD, LIKE COUNSEL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM FOUR.
MR. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED ITEMS. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, AND EIGHT.
[4. Award the contract to the most qualified bidder and authorize the City Manager to execute a contract for The Wilderness Golf Course Bunker Repairs to RGR Golf Services LLC for $347,386.00 (City Project No: 25-02-0504) as budgeted. ]
AGAIN.WE'LL START WITH ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND THAT IS ITEM FOUR IS AWARD CONTRACT TO THE MOST QUALIFIED BIDDER AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE CONTRACT WITH WILDERNESS GOLF COURSE BUNKER REPAIR TO RGR GOLF SERVICES LLC FOR $347,386 AS BUDGETED.
AND WE HAVE, UH, MR. POND, DO YOU WANT HELLO? THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME.
I'M THE OWNER OF GCP CONTRACTORS, THE LOW BIDDER ON THE PROJECT, BUT WE WERE NOT AWARDED THE PROJECT BECAUSE WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE NOT QUALIFIED.
WE IN BUSINESS FOR ALMOST NINE YEARS NOW, WELL, NINE YEARS NOW.
I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION FOR 40 YEARS.
NONE OF MY CONTACTS THAT I PUT ON MY REFERENCES WERE EVER CONTACTED TO SEE ABOUT OUR QUALITIES, THE QUALITY OF WORK THAT WE PERFORMED.
I ALSO LOOKED UP ON THE PERSON THAT'S BEING AWARDED THE PROJECT, PROJECT RGR.
I HAVE A WEBSITE THAT SHOWS THE WORK THAT I DO.
WE DO EVERYTHING FROM CONCRETE TO DIRT WORK TO SAND REPLACEMENT, WHICH ALL THIS IS, IS THE BUNKERS.
BUT YET NO ONE HAS COME OUT AND CALLED MY REFERENCES TO SEE WHAT QUALITY WORK THAT WE DO OR VERIFY ANY OF IT.
WE WERE JUST TOLD THAT WE WERE NOT QUALIFIED ENOUGH.
I WAS CURIOUS TO WHY THAT HAPPENED.
HAVE YOU DONE THIS KIND OF WORK BEFORE? YES, SIR.
SO I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN IN CONSTRUCTION FOR 40 YEARS.
I BUILT THE NRG STADIUM, THE ALL THE SITE WORK, I DID ALL OF THAT.
MR. POND, HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU DIRECTLY HAVE WORKED ON BUNKERS AT, AT GOLF COURSES? YES.
ONLY A COUPLE, BUT I HAVE, YES.
DID YOU PROVIDE THOSE IN YOUR RESPONSE? I PROVIDED REFERENCES, NO.
NONE OF MY REFERENCE WERE CALLED.
DID YOU PROVIDE THE WORK THAT YOU DID AT GOLF COURSES? UH, WERE THOSE IN THE REFERENCE? YES.
AT THE GOLF AT THE, NOT, NOT THE NAME OF THE GOLF COURSE.
SO I'M, I'M ALL, I, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT, I MEAN, I'M,
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I'M NOT HERE TO TRY TO GET THE PROJECT.ALL I I'M SAYING IS THAT, SO I'M JUST, UM, THE VETTING PROCESS WAS NOT, TO ME, THAT WAS NOT DONE CORRECTLY.
I MEAN, UM, I HAVE TO CONSULT WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
IS IT TOO LATE? CAN HE SUBMIT REFERENCES RELATED? I HAVE REFERENCES RELATING TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT.
YOU'VE GOTTA GET EVERYTHING IN ON TIME.
NONE OF MY REFERENCES WERE CALLED.
NO, BUT I MEAN, CAN YOU ANSWER TO THAT PLEASE? SORRY.
SO WHEN WE DID, WE GOT, DID GO THROUGH THE REFERENCES AND, AND I WILL SAY, AND NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM BEING A GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
AND I THINK THEY'RE VERY QUALIFIED IN THEIR WORK, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO THE GOLF COURSE AND DOING THE BUNKERS, IT IS MORE THAN JUST THE SAND.
YOU'VE GOT TO, WE'RE REDOING ALL OF THE DRAINS.
UM, THEY'VE GOTTA TAKE ALL OF THAT OUT.
AND IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT AS A COMPANY THAT HAS THAT, THOSE QUALIFICATIONS THAT HAVE DONE THAT SEVERAL TIMES, YOU CAN'T FIX THAT.
ONCE IT'S MESSED UP IN THERE, WE HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO.
SO WE REALLY NEED SOMEONE WITH THOSE EXPERTISE THAT DID THAT.
AND WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE REFERENCES, AGAIN, IT DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ANY GOLF COURSES.
AND ONE THING THAT STRUCK US IS CALLING SOME OF THE REFERENCES IS ONE, ONE OF THEM ON THERE WAS ALSO SOMEBODY WHO WORKS FOR THEM THAT THEY PUT DOWN AS A REFERENCE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CALL THOSE REFERENCES AND PEOPLE CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT.
BUT WE WERE LOOKING FOR SPECIFIC QUALIFICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UM, AND BLANK CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT, BUT SOMEONE THAT HAS THE BACKGROUND WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL AND CONSTRUCTION OF THAT GOLF COURSE.
SO JUST TAKING THE SAND OUT IS FINE, BUT YOU CAN'T GO DOWN TOO FAR.
YOU CAN'T GET INTO, AND I'M NOT THAT EXPERT ON THAT.
AND IT GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT.
SO WE WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS AND I DID, YOU KNOW, SEEK OTHER OUTSIDE HELP, BUT WE DON'T GET A LOT OF MONEY AND THIS IS A HUGE PROJECT FOR THAT.
SO DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN THAT? YEAH, SO I MEAN, IN THIS PROCESS WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO TALK THROUGH THE, THE SCOPE OF WORK, IT'S VERY SPECIALIZED ALSO WITH THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S NEEDED AS FAR AS ARTICULATED, UH, PIECES OF EQUIPMENT SO THAT WE DON'T DAMAGE THE BOTTOM OF THE BUNKERS.
WORK AROUND SOME OF THESE, IT'S NOT JUST A FLAT SPACE LIKE A FLOOR IS.
THERE ARE KNOBS, THE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE AVOIDED.
YOU CAN'T JUST GET IN THERE WITH A REGULAR EXCAVATOR AND START PULLING SAND OUT.
UH, ALSO WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN THE, UH, THE SAND BACK IN THERE, WE DIDN'T KNOW.
NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE THE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO DO IT.
UH, ALSO WE WERE LOOKING AT HAD THEY HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF THE TIME TO WORK AROUND GOLFERS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT FEELS LIKE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AGAIN, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY REFERENCES TOWARDS ANY GOLF COURSES.
SO WE TOOK IT THAT EVERYTHING THAT THEY WERE DOING WAS SIMPLE, KIND OF LAND CLEARING, CONCRETE WORK, PAVED WORK, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.
NOT SPECIALIZED TO GOLF COURSES.
HAVE WE HAVE, WE USED THE, THE CONTRACTOR THAT WAS CHOSEN.
WE HAVE, WE, SO THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP THERE ALREADY.
THERE IS A RELATIONSHIP THERE.
MR. FONDANT, AGAIN, IN YOUR REFERENCES, DID YOU I WANT TO ADDRESS WHO SHE SAID THAT WORKED FOR ME WAS ON OF MY REFERENCES.
UM, THERE WAS A CHRIS ICK, HE'S THE EX EMPLOYEE.
HASN'T WORKED FOR ME IN EIGHT YEARS.
I, AND I'M GOING BY AGAIN, LIKE YOU HAD SAYING ON YOUR WEBSITE.
WE DID BECAUSE THAT WAS, I WENT BY.
I'VE SEEN THAT WAS, BUT I SEEN THAT HIS PICTURE STILL IS THERE.
BUT HE NO LONGER WORKS FOR ME.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS WAS NOT AN EASY THING.
I DID GO BACK AND FORTH ON THAT AND, AND I'M NOT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY FROM THEIR SKILLS.
AND I THINK THAT THEY HAVE A LOT OF, UH, KNOWLEDGE AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GET IN THERE AND YOU'RE NOT DOING THE DRAINS.
AND THEN YOU GET THAT LEAKAGE INTO THOSE, UM, BUNKERS.
YOU CAN'T, IF THEY GET CONTAMINATED AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO REDO IT.
WE DON'T GET A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
WE, WHEN WE DO THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT CORRECTLY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAD KIND OF WENT BY.
WE HAD TWO, UM, GOLF COURSE COMPANIES THAT DID BET ON IT.
ONE OF COURSE Y'ALL SAW ON THERE WAS, UM, 988,000.
THEY WERE DEFINITELY NOT, NOT INTO THE, A LOT OF TRAVEL EXPENSES.
UM, SO AGAIN, ROBIN, LET ME ASK MR. POND IN YOUR REFERENCES, WERE ANY OF THEIR REFERENCES LIST FOR PROJECTS FOR GOLF COURSES? YES, SIR.
WHAT? CAN YOU TELL US WHICH PROJECTS THOSE WERE ON THE LIST? GLEN
BUT SINCE THEY'VE ALREADY AMENDED HIM OUT, SO THEY'RE WHAT GOLF, WHAT GOLF COURSES WERE THEY? I, IT, I WORKED FOR HIM.
I DON'T KNOW THE, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME.
BUT AS FAR AS QUALIFICATIONS, WE HAVE THAT RIGHT.
WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING SMALL DAMAGE PIPE.
WE, WE DO ALL SORTS OF PIPE MEAN.
IT, IT, I I UNDERSTAND NOW Y'ALL HAVE A REFERENCE, Y'ALL HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE OTHER COMPANY.
WE ARE A FEMALE CERTIFIED, WE ARE MINORITY AND, UH, SMALL BUSINESS CERTIFIED.
WERE THE REFERENCES CONTACTED ANY OF THEM? NO, NOT ONE.
WE WENT THROUGH WHAT THE SHEET GOES.
AND I HAVE IT, IT SAYS LANDSCAPING, GRADING, HARDSCAPE, IRRIGATION, PAVING, UM, A LOT OF THEM BASED, YOU KNOW, RETENTION POND DRAINAGE.
IT DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND ALL OF THAT IS, IS FINE GRADING WITH A LASER MM-HMM
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SO.AND IT'S MUCH MORE INTENSE THAN WHAT'S BEEN ASKED TO BE DONE HERE.
THAT'S MY, THAT IS MY CONCERN.
NOT BEING, NOT, NOT NOT HAVING THE REFERENCES, UH, CALLED AND ASKED TO ME.
UM, I'M GONNA ASK TO HAVE TO REEVALUATE.
AND WE'LL COME BACK AND WE'LL, UH, WE'LL, AND THAT'S FINE.
WE'LL LOOK, WE'LL CALL REFERENCES AND THEN SEE IF WE, UH, COME TO A DIFFERENT DECISION OR THE SAME DECISION.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT SURE.
THAT PROCESS, IF I PUT THE PROCESS IS CORRECT.
IF YOU DON'T CALL MY REFERENCES, YOU DON'T KNOW THIS.
'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE GOLF IN MY NAME.
IT'S NOT ME THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT I'M DOING.
AND SIR, WHAT WAS YOUR NAME AGAIN? CARLISLE RIGHT POND.
I'M THE OWNER OF GCP CONTRACTORS AND HALF OWNER OF TEXT CONCRETE CIVIL.
ALRIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO, UH, REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS.
[1. Discuss setback standards for pools and accessory structures. – David Walton]
ITEM ONE IS DISCUSSED SETBACK STANDARDS FOR POOLS AND ACCESSORY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, UM, THIS IS A, A CLEANUP AGENDA ITEM.
WE FOUND THAT, UH, DURING THE COURSE OF, OF PERMITTING THIS YEAR, THAT, UM, OUR IDEA OF WHAT CAN BE PLACED IN FRONT OF A HOUSE, UH, DIFFERED FROM WHAT THE, UM, ORDINANCE STATED.
CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE, UM, HAS TWO DIFFERENT, UH, LINES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH, WITH FRONT PROPERTIES.
THERE IS A, WHEN YOU PULL UP THAT, THAT ATTACHMENT, THERE IS A, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH IS THE FURTHEST MOST POINT THAT A PRIMARY STRUCTURE CAN BE PLACED.
AND THEN ONCE THAT PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS PLACED, THAT ESTABLISHES WHAT'S CALLED A BUILDING LINE.
UH, CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE A FENCE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE, BUT IT DOES NOT SPECIFY ANYTHING OTHER THAN A FENCE.
AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST, UM, CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE BUILDING LINE TO BE THE FURTHEST MOST, UM, PROJECTION ON THE PROPERTY FOR ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, INCLUDING FENCES THAT WOULD BE SHEDS, GARAGES, POOLS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
DAVID, IN MOST INSTANCES, IS THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AND THE BUILDING LINE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER? ARE THEY SEPARATE LIKE THIS? UH, IN, I WOULD SAY, WELL, IT DEPENDS ON, ON THE LOT.
A SMALLER LOT THAT THAT FRONT YARD SET BACK IN THAT BUILDING LINE COULD BE PRETTY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU WANNA WANNA MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR A BUILDING.
SO YOU WOULD PLACE THE HOUSE FURTHER TOWARDS THE STREET, BUT YOU COULD HAVE SOME INSTANCES WHERE YOU HAVE LARGE LOTS, UH, R ONE ZONES, ESTATE LOTS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS SET FURTHER BACK.
AND THAT THEN EFFECTIVELY ESTABLISHES A BUILD LINE, MEANING THAT YOU HAVE A CLEAR FRONT YARD WITHOUT OBSTRUCTIONS.
SO DAVID CAUGHT THIS AFTER, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAD, YOU KNOW, REQUESTED A PERMIT, YOU KNOW, FOR A POOL IN A, I WOULD SAY A NOTCH
AND WE INITIALLY HAD SAID NO AND THEY WERE REQUESTING TO APPEAL.
AND DURING THEIR APPEAL PROCESS, DAVID AND I GUESS SHERRY BOTH LOOKED AT THE ORDINANCE AND SAID, OUR ORDINANCE DOESN'T HAVE THE NECESSARY WORDING TO DENY IT.
SO WE DID HAVE TO APPROVE A POOL TECHNICALLY IN THE FRONT YARD, UH, FOR IT.
UM, BUT WE WANT TO CLEAN UP THIS LANGUAGE SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE ASSUMPTION IS IS THAT, AND AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO, AND THERE'S, I KNOW THAT IN OLDER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT THE TWO LINES ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, BUT THE ASSUMPTION I GUESS IS, IS THAT THE BUILD LINE WILL SAY, OKAY, THE BUILD LINE IS THERE, DON'T BUILD PAST THAT BUILD LINE.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT WRITTEN IN WORDS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING TO DO, IS GO PUT THAT IN WORDS, IS THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD IN FRONT OF THAT BUILD LINE.
AND, UH, SO WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS SITUATION, AND WE HAVE TWO NEIGHBORS HERE THAT, UH, IF THEY WANT TO TALK, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON THE LIST TO TALK IF THEY STILL WANT TO TALK.
BUT, UH, THE SITUATION HERE IS THAT, UH, SO THEY CAN PUT THEIR POOL IN, BUT THEY CAN'T PUT A FENCE.
THEY CAN'T PUT A FENCE, SO THEY HAVE TO PUT SCREENED IN.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A SCREENED IN POOL IN THE FRONT YARD.
AND SO THE ENTIRE POOL OR A PORTION OF THE POOL? THE ENTIRE POOL? THE ENTIRE POOL, THE, WELL, SO, SO THE POOL ITSELF SITS IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
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OF, UM, HAS AN OFFSET IN IT.THE POOL SITS IN THAT OFFSET, BUT THERE IS A, A PORTION OF ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF FEET THAT DOES EXTEND PAST THE FRONT BUILD LINE.
CAN WE PULL THE ADDRESS UP, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? 4 2 0 4 THAT THEY'RE GONNA PULL IT UP FOR US.
IS THAT A BOARD FENCE OR A CYCLONE FENCE? IT'S A CYCLONE FENCE.
SO, SO CURRENTLY THE ORDINANCE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE A FENCE IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LINE.
SO TO GET AROUND, TO GET AROUND THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO SECURE YOUR POOL, THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE A, A SCREEN ENCLOSURE.
SO IS A SCREEN SCREEN ENCLOSURE REALLY SECURE ENOUGH TO KEEP A CHILD FROM GETTING IN? AND WELL, SIR, LIKE, LIKE ANY OTHER, UM, UH, UH, DETERRENT STRUCTURE ON A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE IS GONNA BE INVOLVED BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY A FENCE COULD HAVE MISSING BOARDS, A SCREEN ENCLOSURE COULD HAVE A, A TEAR IN, IN THE SCREEN.
BUT THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE DOES MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS FOR DAVID.
WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS? FOUR, UH, 4 2 0 4 2 0 FOREST.
SO DAVID, CAN YOU, UH, HIGHLIGHT WHERE YOU GOT 'EM? WHERE THE POOL SURE IS, IS GOING IN? I'LL USE THE LASER.
UM, IF IT WORKS, I WON'T USE THE LASER.
SO THIS IS THE FOREST DRIVE HERE, UH, BECAUSE OF SOME SITE CONDITIONS ON THE PROPERTY, AN EASEMENT WITH A, A POWER LINE REALLY CLOSE TO IN THE BACKYARD, THERE REALLY WAS NO SPACE FOR THEM TO PUT THE POOL BACK HERE.
SO THEY HAD SUGGESTED PLACING THE POOL HERE AND IT HAD SUPPLIED AN APPLICATION FOR THAT, UM, UH, POOL.
I HAD SAID, UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAID, THEY WERE GONNA TAKE IT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.
AND UPON FURTHER REVIEW WE FOUND OUT THAT THAT PRO PROHIBITION DOES NOT EXIST IN OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY.
SO THE POOL SITS RIGHT ABOUT HERE.
THERE'S THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN IT'S INSIDE A SCREENED ENCLOSURE, CORRECT? YES.
IT WILL BE INSIDE OF A SCREENED ENCLOSURE.
CAN YOU PUT, SO THIS IS A DRIVEWAY RIGHT HERE.
CAN YOU PUT THAT ON STREET VIEW? YES, SIR.
WHERE DID THIS DRIVEWAY GO? THIS IS, WELL THIS DRIVEWAY LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA HAVE A LOOP.
YOU CAN SEE ALREADY HAS A LOOP.
THE SECOND ACCESS COMING OUT, IT'S IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
THAT WELL, LET'S TURN ENOUGH BACK IF YOU, OTHER THAN THE SCREEN, BECAUSE I DROVE BY AND LOOKED AT IT.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S THERE, UH, YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE WE SCREENED IN FOR YOU'LL NEVER UNTIL PEOPLE GET OUT THERE.
IT'S IN THE FRONT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, BUT IT'S A DEEP PROPERTY.
IT IS NOT GONNA BE A, THAT BIG AN EYESORE, I DON'T THINK, BECAUSE I DROVE BY IT AND I HAD TO DOUBLE CHECK AND LOOK AT.
BUT YEAH, IT'S IN THE AREA LIKE THIS WHERE THE SCREEN DIDN'T NOT HAVE A DIVING BOARD IS BUT YOU GOING TO HAVE A CHANGE ROOM OR, OR JUST A POOL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT'S IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.
THAT A SMALL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID YES.
SEE, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT JUST THE SECURITY OF IT RIGHT THERE OFF THE STREET, THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, A REAL TEMPTATION FOR NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS TO TRY TO GET IN.
SO, AND THE SCREEN IS, I UNDERSTAND THE FENCE MIGHT HAVE A BOARD MISSING, BUT THE SCREEN, I MEAN POCKET KNIFE OPENS A SCREEN.
SO A POOL BY NATURE IS CALLED A, UM, ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE ONLY BECAUSE IT DOES ATTRACT PERHAPS UNWANTED ATTENTION FROM, FROM CHILDREN AND WHATNOT.
BUT A SCREEN ENCLOSURE AGAIN, DOES MEET THE STATE'S REQUIREMENTS FOR AN ENCLOSURE.
AGAIN, WE'RE JUST SO WE DON'T GET HUNG UP ON THIS ONE.
PROPERTY IS THIS IS, THIS IS JUST, THIS PROPERTY'S BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
IT COULD BE SOMETHING MORE DRAMATIC IF WE DON'T LIKE THE CHANGE.
IT COULD BE ON THIS SIDE OF THAT DRIVEWAY IF THEY CHOSE TO.
'CAUSE THEY COULD, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, THEY COULD PUT IT IN FRONT OF THAT DRIVEWAY PROBABLY.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE BUILD WENT.
YOU COULD PUT COULD, YOU COULD PUT A GARAGE OR A SHED OR ANYTHING IN THE YEAH, IT COULD BE A GARAGE OR A SHED OR WHATEVER.
YEAH, I MEAN THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED AND APPROVED, BUT WE JUST STAFF WANTED TO CORRECT IT SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN.
IT WAS JUST A CLEAR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LOOPHOLE
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IN THE WORDS, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THIS, THIS ONE HERE, BUT WE CAN DO THIS IS TO ADDRESS FUTURE ISSUES.YEAH, WELL THAT DEPENDS WHAT WAS APPROVED.
I, ERIC AND I, I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S ACROSS MY HOUSE.
I REALIZE THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO ABOUT THIS ONE.
UH, IT'LL JUST BE WHAT IT IS AND YOU'RE NOT GONNA WANT THAT GOING FORWARD.
BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME TALK OF A BRICK WALL, A FENCE, NOT JUST A SCREEN THAT'S FROM THE PEOPLE DOING THE WORK.
NOT NECESSARILY MENTIONED A FENCE.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS PERMITTED, WHAT Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED AT.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
REALIZE THERE'S NOTHING YOU KNOW YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW.
BUT I WOULD LOCK THAT DOWN VERY TIGHTLY.
OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THAT PROBLEM NOT JUST WITH POOLS, BUT GARAGES, SHEDS.
ONCE THIS GETS OUT, IT'S GONNA RUN LIKE CRAZY PROBABLY.
WELL THEN IF THEY DO A BRICK WALL AND STUFF, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT A FENCE WOULD BE.
AND A FENCE IS NOT ALLOWED PAST THAT BUILD LINE.
SO IT WOULD BE UP TO THAT CORNER OF THAT HOUSE IS WHERE THE FENCE WOULD BE? I'M KIND OF, NO, NO PUN INTENDED.
BECAUSE PART OF ME DOESN'T WANT IT, BUT PART OF ME SAYS I DON'T WANNA SEE IT.
SO I'D ALMOST GUESS I WOULD PREFER AN EIGHT FOOT BRICK WALL.
UH, BUT AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT Y'ALL CAN DO ABOUT THAT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'VE AGREED.
WHAT Y'ALL HAVE AGREED TO DAVID.
THEY COULD MAKE A BRICK WALL, COULDN'T THEY? RIGHT THERE.
IT'S AS LONG AS IT'S IN LINE WITH THE HOUSE, SO LONG AS IT'S IN LINE WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
BUT WE CAN'T MAKE, BUT THE POOL ITSELF EXTENDS PAST THAT.
AND IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE, WITH THE HOMEOWNER AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR, WE, WE TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, A FENCE IS PROHIBITED.
YOU COULD DO THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE, BUT YOU CAN'T DO A FENCE.
WE, HE DID BRING UP A SUGGEST THE CONTRACTOR BROUGHT UP A SUGGESTION OF PUTTING SOME SCREENING ON THE INSIDE OF HIS ENCLOSURE.
AND I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
BUT AS FAR AS ATTACHING IT AND MAKING IT SOLID TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE A FENCE.
SO A BRICK WALL, IT LOOKS LIKE A CALL IT A BAT WING OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S A FENCE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT'S PROHIBITED.
THAT WOULD BE CONSTITUTED AS A FENCE.
EVEN IF IT COMES THROUGH THE EDGE OF THE HOUSE.
EVEN IF IT'S IN LINE WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, THEY COULD DO, THE EDGE OF THE POOL IS ALREADY IN LINE WITH THAT.
SO IT'D HAVE TO BE ALREADY, IT'D BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
HAVE THEY ALREADY STARTED? OH YEAH, IT'S DUG, IT'S CONCRETE'S POURED READY AND WAIT FOR IT TO CURE.
SO IT, SO THE THE THE PAD POOL, I MEAN OR THE POOL PAD EXTENDS PAST YES.
HOW FAR? ROCK? ABOUT EIGHT FEET.
EIGHT FOOT EIGHT FEET IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ABOUT EIGHT AND A HALF, ACTUALLY.
SO THE SCREENING GO EIGHT FEET PAST, BUT IT IS BEHIND THE BUILDING FRONT YARD SETBACK.
ARE YOU SURE? YEAH, IT JUST EXTENDS IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LINE.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS HAS BROUGHT IT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND SO, UH, THE QUESTION IS, IS THERE, DO, DO WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH MAKING THE CHANGES AND, UH, AS RECOMMENDED BY COUNCIL MEANS BY STAFF.
AND IF WE DO, THEN WE'LL START THE PROCESS OF GOING BACK AND WITH THE PLANNERS AND MOVING THROUGH THE PLANNERS TO US.
SO IN THE MEANTIME, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY ELSE BRINGS IN A, UH, BUR REQUEST FOR THIS TYPE OF THING? CAN WE, SHERRY, CAN WE PASS A MOR DO THEY HAVE TO COUNCIL PASS A MORATORIUM? UH, MORATORIUMS ARE DEVELOPMENT DELAYS, NOT FENCE DELAYS.
AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE REASONS FOR MORATORIUMS. SO, UM, WE WOULD JUST NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THIS THROUGH FASTER THAN NORMAL.
SO IS IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT THE EXISTING, UM, RULES REGULATION WOULD ALLOW THE POOL TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD? YES.
UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING OR ANYTHING COULD BE IN THE FRONT YARD UNDERNEATH THE EXISTING DEFINITIONS.
A THE ONLY THING THAT CANNOT EXTEND BEYOND THE FRONT BUILD LINE, IF YOU WANNA GO BACK TO THAT, THAT, UM, A SIMPLE DIAGRAM IS A FENCE.
SEE, AND, AND AGAIN, THE WHERE THE THINGS DON'T LINE UP IS, IS THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IS IF THEY WANT TO EXTEND, BUILD, ADD ONTO THEIR HOME, THEY COULDN'T MOVE TOWARD THE STREET ON BUILDING ON THEIR HOME.
THEY COULD IF THEY WANTED TO ADD ON.
RIGHT? NOW, IF THEY WANTED TO, IF THEY WANTED TO ADD ON A ROOM OR SOME OTHER PART OF THEIR STRUCTURE, THEY COULD EXTEND OUT FURTHER IN THE FRONT.
IT WOULD CREATE A NEW BUILD AND RE REESTABLISH REESTABLISH BUILDING.
BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE BUILDING.
THEY JUST CAN'T EXTEND UP PAST THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
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OKAY.THE PROCESS, SEPARATE PROCESS, THE RECOMMENDATION FOR STAFF IS A VERY EASY CHANGE IN WORDS.
THE PROCESS IS A LITTLE LONG BECAUSE YOU, IF COUNCIL AGREES YOU'RE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE CITYWIDE, DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO PLANNERS? YES.
'CAUSE THIS IS ZONING AND IS IT, IS, IS IT ON THEIR AGENDA? NO, IT WAS NOT ON, IT WILL BE ON THEIR AGENDA NEXT MONTH.
UH, WE WANTED TO HAVE COUNCIL DISCUSSION FIRST.
I'M LOOKING AT TWO AND A HALF, THREE MONTHS BEFORE THIS THING HAS PASSED.
SO THAT CAN HAPPEN IN THAT TIME.
I DON'T, I'M NOT TOO WORRIED ABOUT A LOT HAPPENING.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S HAPPENED THAT WE KNOW OF, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THIS INSTANCE, UH, AT LEAST, I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR BILL, UH, AT LEAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 30 YEARS.
SO YOU DON'T SEE ANY FOOD OUT IN THE FRONT YARD? NOBODY THOUGHT ANYBODY WOULD DO THAT.
WELL, THERE'S, THAT'S, I WAS TELLING, I WAS TELLING MY DESK THOUGH, THAT, UH, THERE'S A, A HOME THAT'S, UH, OFF OF, UH, DEBERRY DOWN IN THAT, UH, USED TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY THAT, UH, THERE WAS AN AIRLINE PILOT THAT, UH, WAS ALSO A BIG SCUBA DIVER.
AND SO HE PUT IN A BIG POOL, REALLY DEEP POOL.
AND, UH, SO I WAS THINKING THAT, AND IT'S ON THE SIDE FRONT OF THE HOUSE ALMOST LIKE THIS.
BUT I WENT BY AND LOOKED AT IT AND IT'S STILL BEHIND THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
IT'S RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
SO IT'S, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THERE, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE FRONT YARD.
IT'S NOT BREAKING INTO WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER THE FRONT YARD.
AND, UH, AND THEN, AND IT'S GOT THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT A, UM, SCREEN, UH, ENCLOSURE AND STUFF.
BUT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY THE DEEPEST POOL IN LAKE JACKSON, I THINK IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, MY NAME'S JERRY MASTERSON.
I LIVE AT 4 2 1 FOREST DRIVE NEXT DOOR TO ERIC.
AND OUR DRIVEWAYS, UM, TO FOUR 20, UM, ARE LINED UP.
UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY I AM IN FAVOR OF LIMITING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TO AT OR BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE.
SO THOSE ARE THE SHEDS AND THINGS THAT ARE SEPARATE FROM THE BUILDING OF THE HOUSE ITSELF.
AESTHETICALLY SPEAKING, WE WANNA STOP FURTHER BLIGHT IN LAKE JACKSON, WHICH WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY VALUES AND ULTIMATELY REDUCE THE TAX BASE OF OUR CITY.
SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THE FRONT YARD SWIMMING POOL AT FOUR 20 FOREST DRIVE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE POOL WILL BE SECURED BY A SCREENED ENCLOSURE.
CAN IT ACTUALLY BE MADE SECURE TO PROTECT OTHERS, ESPECIALLY YOUNG CHILDREN? ALSO, A SCREEN OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T PROVIDE PRIVACY FOR THE OWNERS OR THE NEIGHBORS WHO DID NOT EXPECT TO HAVE A PUBLIC POOL ON THEIR BLOCK.
FINALLY, SCREENING DOES NOT PROVIDE SOUND ATTENUATION FOR MECHANICAL NOISE FROM THE CIRCULATING PUMP OR FROM POOLSIDE MUSIC.
SINCE THE FRONT YARD POOL WAS ISSUED A PERMIT DUE TO A PREVIOUSLY UNRECOGNIZED LOOPHOLE IN THE ORDINANCES, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A ONE-TIME VARIANCE FOR THE OWNERS FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY, PRIVACY, SOUND ATTENUATION AND AESTHETICS.
THE OWNERS COULD BUILD A BRICK WALL AROUND THE POOL.
IF THE BRICKS WALL, IF THE BRICKS WERE A CLOSE MATCH TO THOSE OF THE HOUSE, THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY CREATE AN OPEN ELK AIR COURTYARD.
THIS CONCEPT IS NOT WITHOUT PRECEDENT.
IN FACT, THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT FOUR 18 FOREST DRIVE HAS SUCH A BRICK WALL.
THAT WALL, HOWEVER, IS FLUSH TO THE BUILD LINE.
ALL ORDINANCES CURRENTLY REQUIRE FENCES TO BE AT OR BEHIND THE BUILD LINE.
THIS BRICK WALL WOULD CLEARLY BE IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LINE, BUT STILL FALL BEHIND THE SETBACK.
I SUBMIT THAT A BRICK WALL ENCLOSURE MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO REMEDIATE THE ONE-OFF FRONT YARD POOL SITUATION AT FOUR 20 FOREST DRIVE.
HAS THAT OWNER EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST IN BUILDING A BRICK WALL? WE, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE OWNERS
WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING AGAIN.
IF, IF THEY, IF THE OWNER WOULD WANT, WOULD WANT TO COME AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, WE WOULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION WITH, BUT WE CAN'T MAKE THEM THAT, THAT DECISION GOES TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS FOR A ONE TIME VARIANCE AND ONLY IF THEY WANT TO, RIGHT? YES.
WELL, THIS MORNING A WORKMAN AT THE SITE SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A FENCE.
YOU WON'T EVEN KNOW THERE'S A POOL THERE.
AND I'M JUST LIKE, I DON'T THINK YOU KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT A FENCE.
HAS ANYONE ASKED TO PERMIT THE FENCE? NO MA'AM.
THEIR IDEA OF A FENCE AND A SCREEN MAY BE THE SAME THING.
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BUT WE DON'T KNOW THAT.AND I WILL SAY TOO, UH, I HAVE SEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF SCREEN.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT YOUR TRADITIONAL JUST LITTLE SCREEN DOOR SCREEN AND THEN THEY MAKE A MORE SOLID TYPE OF SCREEN.
I HAVE A SCREEN AROUND MY POOL INSIDE MY FENCE.
SO, UH, SO I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS.
YEAH, I DON'T, I DON'T, ERIC, I'M GONNA HAVE, YOU NEED TO HAVE YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM SO WE CAN RECORD YOU YOUR WONDROUS VOICE.
UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I HAVE A SCREEN AROUND MY POOL AT MY HOUSE BEHIND MY FENCE.
I DON'T KNOW, DOES THE CITY GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO PUT HEDGES OR SOMETHING? IS THAT AN, I MEAN, IT'S STILL THEIR FRONT YARD.
THEY CAN PUT, THEY CAN PUT HEDGES ALL ACROSS THEIR FRONT YARD IF THEY WANTED.
I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS, BUT WE CAN'T, WE CAN SCREEN, WE CAN SCREEN IT.
GREENERY AND ALL THAT KIND STUFF MEAN, THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND I'M JUST RELYING ON
LIKE I SAID, I REALIZE THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT NOW, AND THAT'S FINE.
BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
RIGHT? WELL, APPRECIATE WITH ATTITUDE ABOUT WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO APPRECIATE IT.
YEAH, WE'LL WORK WITH IT AS BEST AS WE CAN, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY COME TO US AND REQUEST AND STUFF.
BUT AS FAR AS GOING FORWARD, LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S BROUGHT THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE THIS GAP AND UH, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, AND I THINK DAVID ALSO MENTIONED THAT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER HOMES ON FOREST DRIVE THAT ALSO HAVE THE BUILD LINE SET FAR BACK FROM THE SETBACK LINE.
THERE ARE OTHER HOMES THAT HAVE THE SAME SITUATION.
I'M THEY'RE ALL OVER LAKE JACKSON.
IT'S PROBABLY QUITE VIEW IN LAKE JACKSON.
THERE, THERE ARE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE A LARGER LOT WITH WHAT WITH THAT'S PERHAPS LONG.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS TYPICALLY FURTHER BACK ON THAT LOG, SO RIGHT, RIGHT.
SO THIS IS ONE OFF WITH A POOL IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S LEAD TIME HERE TO HAVE THE CHANGE MADE FOR THE ORDINANCE.
BUT, UM, BUT THANKFULLY NO ONE ELSE HAS EVER HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS BEFORE.
UM, DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE PUMP AND THE AND ALL THAT? I DON'T, WHAT'S THAT? THAT MAKES A LOT OF NOISE.
I HOW MANY ON HOW MANY Y'ALL HAVE A POOL? I DO.
SOMETIMES IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT THERE BESIDE THE DRIVEWAY.
OKAY, SO YOU'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE RUNNING.
WELL, I, I I WOULD SAY GOOD 18 HOURS A DAY.
I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PLAN, BUT I'M NOT, THAT'S ALL BECAUSE IT'LL MAKE A LOT OF NOISE.
ARE THERE MANY EXAMPLES WHERE THERE'S QUOTE AUXILIARY STRUCTURES IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE IN LAKE JACKSON CURRENTLY? NO.
UH, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES WHERE A CARPORT MIGHT EXTEND OUT PAST THE FRONT OF A HOUSE.
AND MOST OF THOSE ARE EXISTING BEFORE, YOU KNOW, I GOT HERE.
I CAN'T TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY WENT IN, HOW LONG AGO THEY WENT IN OR THEY, THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF WHICH THEY WENT IN.
BUT, UH, UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES WE DON'T HAVE ATTACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
WE MADE A MAJOR CHANGE ON, UH, THE ORDINANCE ASSOCIATED WITH, UH, ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS, UH, SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
AND, UH, PRIOR TO THAT WAS PROBABLY WHY, HOW CARPORTS THAT CARPORT GOT PUT IN BEFORE THAT.
AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, DAVID AND I TALKED, YOU KNOW, AND ERIC AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY IT PROBABLY WAS DENIED THIS TIME.
THE CITIZEN ASKED TO GO TO ZBA
I WILL SAY THAT THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE'RE ASKED ABOUT PLACE AND STRUCTURES THAT EXTEND OUT IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS MINIMAL.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE A CITIZEN WOULD WANT THAT OR HAS ASKED FOR THAT.
AND IN THE PAST WE'VE SAID NO.
BUT THIS TIME AROUND BECAUSE OF THAT ADDITIONAL PROCESS, WE DID A DEEP DIVE, DEEP READ OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAID AND SAID, HOLY HANNAH, WE'RE KIND OF MISSING SOME LANGUAGE.
MS. RUSSELL CAN THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER FOR PLANNERS, IS THEIR MEETING IN OCTOBER? WHAT DATE IS IT? CAN COUNCIL HAVE THEIR PUBLIC HEARING PRIOR? BEFORE.
PRIOR TO, UH, PLANNERS? PLANNERS IS SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU ALL A RECOMMENDATION.
WE DO BE THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER BEFORE WE EVER IT RESOLVED.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING A BIG AGGRESSION, NO PERMIT REQUEST.
I DON'T THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT PUTTING TOOLS IN OUR, SO THERE WILL BE
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TWO PUBLIC HEARING.YOU ALL CAN HAVE A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNERS IF YOU WANT TO.
HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING PARTY OR SOMETHING.
YEAH, SO, UM, BUT THEY CAN, IF THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE SEVENTH, THEN WE CAN HAVE OURS ON THE SIXTH AGAIN.
JUST GET, WE'LL DO, WE'LL DO IT.
WE'LL DO IT IN THE NORMAL, THEY'LL DO SEVENTH AND IT'LL COME BACK.
BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE WORD, IF COUNSEL AND PLANERS IS ALL IN AGREEMENT, THE ORDINANCE WOULD BE APPROVED SOMETIME IN NOVEMBER.
ALRIGHT, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS THEN.
YEAH, THEY'LL GET INVITED TO
[2. Discuss construction material drop-off restrictions at the customer convenience center. – Eric Wilson]
ON TO ITEM TWO.UH, DISCUSS, UH, CONSTRUCTION, UH, MATERIAL DROP OFF RESTRICTIONS FOR CUSTOMER CONVENIENCE CENTER.
COUNSEL, THIS IS A FOLLOW UP, UH, COMMUNICATION REGARDING AN ITEM THAT WE STARTED DISCUSSING BACK DURING OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, UH, REGARDING THE CITIZENS CONVENIENCE CENTER AND THE ABILITY TO TAKE BUILDING MATERIALS, UH, TO THAT FACILITY.
AND IN THE STAFF COMMUNICATION.
UH, I PUT IN A COUPLE OF DEFINITIONS JUST TO SET THE STAGE FOR THE DISCUSSION.
THAT WOULD BE THE DEFINITION OF, UH, HEAVY TRASH AND, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS, WHICH ARE, ARE, OR, AND GARBAGE, UH, WHICH ARE WRITTEN INTO OUR ORDINANCE, WHICH IS, UH, CHAPTER 82 OF OUR CODE.
AND THE BUILDING MATERIALS ARE EXPRESS PROHIBITED.
UH, WHEN WE PICK UP THE MATERIAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT ADDRESS THE CCC, UH, WHICH ACTUALLY WENT INTO FUNCTION INTO BUSINESS IN JULY OF 21.
SO IN ADDITION TO SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MADE, WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT THE SANITATION ORDINANCE AND RECOMMENDING SOME REVISIONS.
UH, THERE ARE SOME QUANTITIES THAT ARE GONNA BE CHANGING, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
SO WE'RE GONNA BRING THAT BACK.
UH, BUT AS AN OPERATIONAL PRACTICE, STAFF HAS FOR LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN HERE BOTH TIMES, UH, PICKED UP SMALL QUANTITIES OF BUILDING MATERIALS, MEANING LESS THAN TWO YARDS, YOU KNOW, JUST THE, THE TRACTORS THAT THEY USE TO PICK UP THE HEAVY TRASH.
IF IT CAN FIT IN ONE, WE WILL NOT WRITE AN ASSESSMENT.
AND THERE IS AN OPERATIONAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT.
UH, THE CODE DOES REQUIRE THAT IF YOU DO HAVE BUILDING MATERIALS, THAT WE CHARGE YOU AN ASSESSMENT OF $30 PER CUBIC YARD.
BUT WE DO GET A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THOSE.
AND IF WE DID, WE WOULD BE WRITING ASSESSMENTS, WHICH MEANS THAT MATERIAL SITS OUT THERE UNTIL THE HOMEOWNER AGREES TO THAT ASSESSMENT OR MAKES ARRANGEMENTS TO DISPOSE OF THEM HIMSELF.
UH, AND IT, YOU KNOW, BRINGS BACK THE, THE ISSUE OF IT'S, IT'S SITTING IN FRONT OF THE HOUSE, YOUR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, RIGHT.
WHATEVER, FOR POSSIBLY ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE DAYS, UH, TO GET THAT REMOVED.
AND WE ARE ALSO AT THE CONVENIENCE CENTER, WE HAVE STARTED TAKING THAT SIMILAR AMOUNT, BUT THERE IS A MORATORIUM THERE FOR TRAILERS.
SO IF I HAVE A, AN SUV OR A CAR WITH ONE OF THE LITTLE TRAILERS AND I HAVE SOME STUFF THAT I CAN PUT ON THE BACK OF IT, I CANNOT BRING THAT TRAILER INTO THE CCC UNLESS IT'S FILLED WITH A COUCH OR TWO.
THEN YOU CAN BRING IT IN THOSE, THOSE ARE ALLOWED.
BUT AGAIN, WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS HERE.
SO, SO WHEN, WHEN DID THAT CHANGE OCCUR? WHICH CHANGE? UH, USING A TRAILER BECAUSE I'VE CARRIED FENCE BOARDS AND STUFF OUT THERE.
NOT RECENTLY, BUT SMALL QUANTITIES.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT THE FACILITY IS PRIMARILY STAFFED BY TEMPORARY LABOR, UH, THROUGH ONE OF OUR STAFFING AGENCIES.
AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.
IT WAS IN DISCUSSION WHEN I WAS HERE IN, IN 18 AND 19, UH, AND, AND BROUGHT INTO SERVICE IN 21, BUT IT WAS NEVER ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE
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AND THE OPERATIONAL PROTOCOLS TRY TO MIRROR AS CLOSELY AS POSSIBLE TO THE ORDINANCE.AND BY US HAVING TEMPORARY STAFF THERE, WE GIVE THEM THE RULES.
AND FROM THOSE RULES, THEY SHALL NOT STRAY.
SO WHEN IT'S NO TRAILERS FOR BUILDING MATERIALS, THEY'RE GONNA TURN YOU AROUND AS, AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE FOUND OUT.
SO, UH, WE DO HAVE AND, AND GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.
THESE ARE SIGNS THAT THE, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE ORIGINAL SITE AS IT WAS, UH, BEING DEVELOPED.
THE MULCH YARD WAS ALREADY THERE.
AND NO BUILDING MATERIALS, NO CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS.
SO FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, WE WANT TO KEEP THE CONTRACTORS OUT AND THAT'S WHERE THE STICKY COMES IN.
WELL, BUT THE SIGN ON THE RIGHT WAS AGAIN DEVELOPED WHENEVER WE JUST HAD THE MULCH SITE, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE CCC.
AND, AND SO THAT WAS, SURE YOU DON'T WANT BUILDING MATERIALS MIXED IN WITH YOUR STUFF.
YOU'RE GONNA GO MULCH AND STUFF.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE OF IT.
SO, UH, AND THE SIGN ON THE LEFT IS ACTUALLY ON THE DOOR OF THE LITTLE BUILDING OUT THERE WHERE THEY CHECK YOU IN TO DROP OFF THE MATERIAL.
WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS, BUT THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CCC, WHICH I, I LOVE IT, I THINK IT WAS A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR CITY, WAS TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF HEAVY WASTE PICKUP BY, I MEAN, IT'S TIME, IT'S MONEY, IT'S EQUIPMENT VERSUS LET ME LOAD IT UP MYSELF AND COME DROP IT OFF, RIGHT? YES MA'AM.
UM, ALL I'M LOOKING FOR ON ANY CHANGES THAT WE DO IS SOME COMMON SENSE, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO ADJUST OUR ORDINANCE TO REFLECT THAT.
UM, WE DISCUSSED THEIR SOFTWARE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS TO KNOW.
OKAY, WE KNOW ANA IS A CONTRACTOR WHO WORKS A LOT IN LAKE JACKSON.
SHE'S HERE, YOU KNOW, 15 TIMES THIS WEEK.
THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S THERE FOR.
BUT YES MA'AM, THE MARE'S HERE AND HE'S DROPPING OFF, YOU KNOW, THREE FENCE BOARDS AND AN OLD TOILET.
I MEAN, THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME, SOME COMMON SENSE.
NO, I KEEP OLD TOILETS,
BUT EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, THE, TO THE POINT OF TEMPORARY STAFF LAMINATE SOME PICTURES.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS BAD.
WELL, I THINK WHAT YOU COULD ALSO, AND THAT WAS JUMPING TO SOLUTION, WAS WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THE PICTURE THING I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING IS, IS WHATEVER WE DO, WE GO FORWARD AND IT, WE ALSO, IF WE DO, AGAIN, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE USING TEMPORARY CONTRACT SUPPORT OUT THERE, IS IS IT, IT TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY, BUT ALSO, LIKE YOU SAY, PUT THE BOARD, I WOULD PUT A BOARD UP THERE THAT SHOWS PICTURES OF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
SO WHEN THE PERSON DRIVES UP, THEY SEE THAT IF WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE IS THAT A, YOU KNOW, A TRUCK BED LIKE THAT, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.
BUT IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER PICTURE OF A TRUCK BED THAT'S FULL TO THE BANKS, THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THEN PEOPLE KNOW WHEN THEY PULL UP THAT THEY, AND AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S, IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF BRIAN'S FACE AND IT'S, EVERYBODY'S TREATED THE SAME.
AND I'M GOING TO EVEN ARGUE ON THAT PICTURE WHERE IT SAYS RE REJECTED OF SOMEBODY'S TAKING THE TIME TO LOAD ALL THAT UP AND THEY'RE BRINGING IT.
WE DON'T HAVE TO GO PICK IT UP.
YES, YOU'RE GONNA MISS THE ASSESSMENT FEE BECAUSE THAT'S CLEARLY MORE THAN IS CURRENTLY ALLOWED EVEN FOR ROADSIDE PICKUP.
BUT WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL HERE? WELL, I HAVE TO CAUTION THOUGH, WHAT I'M HEARING FROM STEPH IS THOUGH, IS THAT IT'S A DAILY OCCURRENCE WHERE A CONTRACTOR TRIES TO POSSIBLY OR A WEEKLY OCCURRENCE WHERE A CONTRACTOR MAY TRY TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE AND GET IN BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF CONTRACTORS WHO LIVE HERE THAT HAVE A WATER BILL AND STUFF AND THAT, AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A REALLY TRUE TRACKING SOFTWARE.
SO A SPREADSHEET WE'RE, WE'RE TRACKING IT NOW WITH THE SPREADSHEET.
AND THIS IS, UH, SINCE WE'VE HAD OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP, WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED MORE TRACKING MEASURES TO IF, IF I COME IN, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES A WEEK THEY'RE GOING TO FLAG ME.
SO OUR HESITATION IS NOT SO MUCH ON THE CITIZEN, IT'S THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD WE HAVE SOMEONE FIND A WAY TO GET IN A CONTRACTOR AND THEN REALLY ABU A ABUSE IT WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HAULING IT TO THE LANDFILL, WHICH IS CLOSE BY, WHICH THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR.
UM, 'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE FEES.
AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY OUR CAUTION RIGHT NOW.
BUT WELL I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE, THE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE CONTRACTOR'S NOT ABUSING THE, THE BENEFIT.
BUT, UM, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZENS LIKE JACKSON, LIKE ME THAT ARE DO IT YOURSELFERS.
I WANT TO REPLACE THE SECTION OF MY FENCE.
I'VE GOT SOME OLD FENCE POSTS TO
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GET RID OF.NOT A HUGE QUANTITY, BUT I HAVE A LITTLE SMALL EIGHT, EIGHT BY FOUR TRAILER, ALL THAT OUT TO DISPOSE.
SO, UH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO TIGHTEN UP SO THAT UH, CONTRACTORS ARE NOT ABUSING SMALL TRAILER.
BUT IS THERE A WAY WITH CONTRACTORS, SO THE CONTRACTORS ARE GENERALLY COMING IN AND PULLING PERMITS, CORRECT? YES.
NOT ALL THE TIME, BUT IN GENERAL.
AND I'M JUST SAYING IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE COST, 'CAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOTTA PAY TO DUMP ALL THIS TO SEA BREEZE, RIGHT? MM-HMM
WE KNOW OUR COSTS ARE GOING UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO THE PERMIT PROCESS OF THE CONTRACTORS REQUIRED TO.
I'M JUST THROWING, IT'S THERE BETTY, IT'S ALREADY THERE WITH YOUR PERMIT.
BETTY, A TRUCK IS SMALLER THAN THAT TRAILER.
SO YOU DIDN'T, YOU REJECTING SOMETHING THAT'S SMALLER, BIGGER THAN, THAN WHAT YOU GOT ON THE STUFF THERE.
IT'S THE QUANTITY IN THE TRAILER.
AND, AND FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, WE HAD TO MAKE THESE PICTURES BECAUSE THE, THE CITIZENS GENERALLY ARE FAIRLY WELL-TRAINED NOW.
I MEAN, I WOULD ARGUE WITH MY TRUCK IS SMALLER THAN THAT AND IT GOT LESS STUFF, MORE STUFF.
I MEAN LESS STUFF THAN THAT GUY.
THE UH, I MEAN, ANYWAY, I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY IS WE PUT THE CCC IN THERE FOR, UH, TO, FOR A LOT OF REASONS.
IT'S, IT'S, UH, MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR CITIZENS TO DO THEIR OWN PART, TO HAUL THEIR JUNK, TO GET IT, GET RID OF INSTEAD OF HAVE IT SITTING OUT IN THE FRONT YARD.
I MEAN, EVERY TIME I'VE DONE A PROJECT OR DONE ANYTHING, I'VE EITHER PAY SOMEBODY TO TAKE IT AWAY.
MOST OF THE TIME I TAKE PAY SOMEBODY IF THEY COME TO DO THE WORK, I MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE IT AWAY.
BUT, UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME AS, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T LIKE HAVING STUFF SIT OUT IN MY FRONT YARD.
SO I, I TAKE IT TO THE PLACE AND I'VE GOT A GARAGE DOOR OPENER I'M AFRAID TO TAKE OVER THERE 'CAUSE I'M AFRAID I'LL GET REJECTED WHEN I GO THERE.
BUT, UH, ANYWAY, GARAGE DOOR, UM, GARAGE DOOR OPENER, GARAGE DOOR.
WE'LL TAKE YOUR GARAGE DOOR OPEN.
SO, BUT AGAIN, I'M, I'M JUST, I'M AFRAID THAT I, I'VE BEEN SITTING IN THE GARAGE.
MY WIFE HASN'T SAID, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA EVER GET THIS THING OUTTA HERE? BUT ANYWAY, SO IT'S JUST, AGAIN, WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT.
WE NEED TO COME UP WITH HOW BEST, AND AGAIN, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A PERFECT SOLUTION, BUT HOW BEST CAN WE ADJUST IT? SO AGAIN, SO IF THE, THE HANDY PERSON AROUND THE HOUSE CAN BRING THEIR SMALL CONSTRUCTION ITEMS IN THERE, AND AS FAR AS IF WE HAVE CONTRA, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE CITY THAT ARE CONTRACTORS THAT ARE SLIPPING, I DON'T KNOW.
I MEAN, YOU SAID YOU, YOU'RE TRACKING IT BY, UH, A SPREADSHEET NOW AND, YOU KNOW, UH, I DON'T KNOW.
THERE'S, WE'VE GOTTA FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND THEN WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS.
SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S HAPPENING TODAY.
AND UH, AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING TODAY IS, IS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THINGS ARE, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, 'CAUSE IT SAYS A PICKUP TRUCK LOAD IS OKAY.
BY THE SIZE LEVEL TO THE TOP AS LI LEVEL THE TOP.
SO IT CAN BE A TOILET SITTING IN THERE.
SO, UH, LET ME KNOW HOW THAT
SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS INSTEAD OF THAT SIGN BEING STUCK ON THE DOOR OVER THERE, IT NEEDS TO BE OUT IN FRONT OF THE PEOPLE SO PEOPLE KNOW IS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT.
AND, UH, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS GETTING A SITUATION WHERE NOWHERE WOULD THERE BE, SHOULD BE A SOLUTION WHERE WE HAVE A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE OR A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE ARGUING WITH SOMEBODY AT THE GATE SAYING THAT, OKAY, YOU GOT A TRAILER FULL OF STUFF.
IT, IT EXCEEDS THE ALLOWABLE AMOUNT.
AND SO I'M, YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASSESSED AT THIS POINT.
DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA BE DOING THAT.
UH, SO, UM, ANYWAY, I MEAN WE COULD, ANYWAY, THERE'S, THERE'S WAYS TO ADDRESS THAT AND WE NEED JUST, WE JUST FIND A WAY, AGAIN, IT'S A GOOD ASSET.
NOT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF CITIES HAVE A DUMPING ISSUE.
AND, AND ALSO FROM AN OPERATIONAL PERSPECTIVE, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FACT THAT THESE ARE PRIMARILY TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN INSTRUCTIONS THAT ANYTIME SOMETHING COMES INTO QUESTION OR YOU ARE CHALLENGED, ESCALATE IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE THERE IS ALWAYS A CREW LEADER, SUPERVISOR, SUPERINTENDENT, HOPEFULLY NOT TOO FAR AWAY THAT CAN GET OVER THERE FROM THE SER.
HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY WILL BE AT THE SERVICE CENTER TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY.
SO IF, IF THEY SUSPECT THAT THIS IS A CONTRACTOR WHO'S DONE A MAJOR JOB TRYING TO DUMP MATERIAL THERE, UM, COULDN'T THEY JUST TAKE DOWN THEIR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER, THEIR INFORMATION,
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TAKE A PHOTO OF IT, AND THEN HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY CONTACT THOSE PEOPLE? ASK IF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS FROM A MAJOR PROJECT.THE DATA WE ARE TRACKING IS LICENSE PLATE, UH, DRIVER'S LICENSE OF, OF THE PERSON BRINGING IT IN, VERIFYING THAT IT IS LAKE JACKSON ADDRESS, WATER BILL, UH, ET CETERA.
IF YOU'VE USED THE FACILITY, AGAIN, REALLY THIS HAPPENS WITH, YOU KNOW, UM, BRUSH AS WELL.
AND THAT'S WHY WE CHARGE JUST A SIMPLE FEE IS THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTORS THAT DO WORK FOR OTHER CITIES THAT BRING THEIR, CAN'T BRING THEIR STUFF IN.
I MEAN BRUSH IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE, BUT THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE NO IDEA THAT IT'S COMING FROM CLUT OR FREEPORT AND STUFF.
THE SAME THING COULD HAPPEN OR CAN HAPPEN WITH A CONTRACTOR.
THAT CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T JUST AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME THAT THEY'RE DOING WORK FOR A LAKE JACKSON RESIDENT BECAUSE THE WORK GETS OUT THAT WE HAVE A VERY CONVENIENT, IT, IT'S A LOT EASIER CONVENIENCE CENTER.
IT'S VERSUS GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
YEAH, NO, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO DO IT HERE THAN STAND IN LINE.
WAIT IN LINE TO DUMP A, A LOAD AT THE, AT THE PAY FOR.
SO WE HAVE PLENTY OF CONTRACTORS WHO LIVE IN LAKE JACKSON THAT MAY BE DOING WORK IN INCLUDE THAT CAN BRING OVER A, A PICKUP LOAD AND, AND JUST DUMP FOR FREE.
ERIC, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US ON THIS? WELL, WHAT I WOULD LIKE, AND, AND I LIKE THE, THE IDEA OF THE BAND, THE BOARD WITH PICTURES MM-HMM
SO IT'S VERY SIMPLE, VERY UNDERSTANDABLE AT THAT POINT.
AND, AND WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF.
UH, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS TODAY THAT I WOULD LIKE THE TIME TO TAKE IT BACK TO STAFF AND THINK ABOUT IT EVEN TO THE POINT, DO WE WANT TO, AS WE DO WITH BRUSH TAKING ASSESSMENTS OVER THERE IS ONE THING IN THE BRUSH ON, ON THE MULCH YARD, IF ERIC'S TREE SERVICE BRINGS IN 20 YARDS OF BRUSH, I AM SET UP WITH AN ACCOUNT HERE AND THEY PUT ON THEIR SPREADSHEET, OKAY, ERIC'S SERVICE BROUGHT 20 YARDS OF BRUSH IN AND I GET AN INVOICE JUST LIKE A WATER BILL, UH, AND THAT, SO IT'S SOMETHING I'LL, I'LL VISIT WITH STAFF AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.
REALIZING THAT THAT IS GOING TO INCREASE OUR TURNAROUND WITH THE ROLL OFFS GOING TO THE LANDFILL.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH OUR STAFFING LEVELS, WITH THE ROLL OFFS, IS THAT GOING TO IMPACT OUR NORMAL ROLL OFF OPERATIONS? BUT, UH, YOU BROUGHT UP A LOT.
THE CONVENIENCE CENTER WAS DESIGNED FOR CONVENIENCE OF THE CITIZENS.
NOT CONTRACTORS, NOT OUT OF TOWNERS.
AND WE JUST NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR US CITIZENS.
AND I WAS VERY ADAMANT ABOUT THE CONVENIENCE CENTER WHEN YOU FIRST CONCEPT WAS BROUGHT IN.
AND WE REALLY CANNOT RELY ON A PERMIT SYSTEM BECAUSE 80%, MAYBE NOT THAT, MAYBE 60% OF WORK DONE IN LAKE JACKSON WON'T.
I PAY END UP PAYING $8,000 TO RUN AN ELECTRIC NEW ELECTRICAL LINE.
'CAUSE MY NEIGHBOR HIRED A FENCE COMPANY WITH
SO I KNOW FOR A FACT, I MEAN, DAVID, YOU REMEMBER THAT.
SO, UH, IT'S JUST THAT THAT DOESN'T WORK.
SO PEOPLE START WORKING ON WEEKENDS.
THERE'S NOBODY OUT THERE LOOKING AT IF THEY HAVE PERMIT OR NOT.
AND WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH A LOGICAL WAY AND NOT TAKE AWAY THE CONVENIENCE FOR OUR CITIZENS THAT WE CREATED A WHILE BACK.
IF, UH, COUNSEL, ITS COUNSEL WISHES TO LOOK AT IT, ALLOWING A TRAILER IF SOMEBODY HAS SUV.
'CAUSE I KNOW WE ALLOW TRUCKS IF THIS, THAT'S THE COUNCIL WISH, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND WE ALLOW IT.
I MEAN, WELL DAVID HAD A PICTURE OF A TRAILER UP THERE.
WE NEED TO ALLOW A TRAILER AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALLOWING THAT.
I MEAN, YOU GO TO EXTREME AND YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
YOU COULD GO TO EXTREME WHERE WAY IN AND WAY OUT, AND YOU'RE ALLOWED ONLY SO MUCH PER TRIP.
ANYTHING ABOVE THAT, THERE'S A FEE FOR IT.
SO THAT, THAT, THAT OPENS UP A WHOLE NOTHER CAN OF WORMS, OF SCALES AND ALL THAT CRAP.
AND SINCE WE HAVE CHANGED OUR DATA ACQUISITION, UH, SINCE THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP AND, AND WHAT WE'RE TRACKING ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THAT DATA.
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DECISION, UH, AND NOT AN EMOTIONAL DECISION.AND WE WILL COME BACK WITH SOME, SOME SUGGESTIONS AND SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.
UH, YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY COME BACK AND SAY THAT WE'VE GOT THE DATA COLLECTION IS, IS GOOD ENOUGH WHERE YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT A CITIZEN CAN COME IN FOUR TIMES A MONTH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I MEAN, ERIC, I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WHAT I'M HEARING IS RIGHT NOW YOU COULDN'T TELL US HOW MUCH BUILDING MATERIAL IS COMING IN.
YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH IS GOING INTO A BOX ON A DAILY BASIS OR HOW MUCH PROTECTING LANDFILL YOU NOT SORTING, BUT YOU'RE NOT SORTING IT OR WE ARE NOW ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IT AT THE WE ARE NOW.
RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WERE NOT BUT NOT FOR THE YEAR.
IT MAKES THEM, WELL AT LEAST, AT LEAST THE COLLECTION OF DATA WILL GIVE US A SCOPE OF, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE A MINOR ISSUE AND WE'RE MAKING IT BIGGER THAN WHAT IT IS.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DUMPING FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN LAKE JACKSON WORK OUTSIDE BRINGING THE MATERIALS BECAUSE JUST CONVENIENT.
YOU LOOK FOR CONVENIENCE AND INSTEAD OF GOING YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH VINNE.
I I MEAN I, I HEAR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT A LOT OUT IN THE SCUTTLE, BUT IS PART LAKE JACKSON? YEAH.
IT'S FREE AND IT'S EASY, EASIER, NOT THAT MUCH TIME AND DON'T STANDING IN LINE, ALL THOSE CON CONVENIENCE, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT OUR CITIZENS FOR, NOT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
[3. Discuss and consider authorizing the City Manager to execute a 48-month lease agreement and a 36-month buy-out option for the Toro GroundMaster 360 between the Wilderness Golf Course, Professional Turf Products, United AG, and PNC Equipment Finance in an amount not exceeding an annual payment of $215,292 as budgeted. – Robin Hyden]
ITEM THREE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A 48 MONTH LEASE AGREEMENT AND 38 MONTH BUYOUT OPTION FOR TORO GROUND MASTER 360, UH, BETWEEN, UH, THE WILMER'S GOLF COURSE, UH, PROFESSIONAL TURF PRODUCTS, UH, UNITED AG AND PNC EQUIPMENT FINANCE IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED ANNUAL PAYMENT OF $215,292 AS BUDGETED ROBIN.SO THE, THE GOLF COURSE IS NOW COMING TO THE END OF THEIR, THEIR LEASE FOR THEIR EQUIPMENT.
THIS IS EQUIPMENT THAT THEY USE ON A DAILY BASIS.
IT'S CRUCIAL TO KEEP THE GOLF COURSE, UM, GOING.
AND SO THEY WERE LOOKING, OF COURSE, WE ALL KNOW THE EQUIPMENT PRICES HAVE GONE UP.
UM, SO THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO A NEW 48 MONTH LEASE.
UM, AND THEY HAVE, THEY GET THE GO THROUGH, LIKE WE'D HAVE BUYBOARD AND DIFFERENT STUFF.
THEY HAVE THEIR THINGS THROUGH KEMPER AND THEY ACTUALLY GET A LITTLE BIT BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT WE WOULD EVEN GET THROUGH THE BUYBOARD.
UM, ONE OF THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE NOW ON THE LEASE, THEY ARE GONNA DO THE BUYOUT OPTION ON IT BECAUSE THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IS NO LONGER, UM, AVAILABLE AND IT'S ONE THAT THEY NEED.
SO THEY WERE ASKING TO DO THE 36 MONTH BUYOUT OPTION ON THAT ONE.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, UM, UH, FIGURED INTO THEIR BUDGET FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR THAT THEY, UH, SUBMITTED.
SO IT WILL INCREASE THE, UM, THE MONTHLY FEE IS GONNA INCREASE ALMOST $6,800, UM, OR $6,800 AND SOME CHANGE.
BUT, UM, AGAIN, THIS IS STUFF THAT IS CRUCIAL FOR THE GOLF COURSE.
YOU GOTTA HAVE MOWERS, YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE RIGHT TYPE OF MOWERS.
SO, UM, THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT THE EQUIPMENT IS, UM, AND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING, WHAT WOULD THE INCREASE WHEN YOU BE OFFSETTING IT FROM RENTAL, RIGHT? SO CURRENTLY THE FEE ARE FEE THAT WE PAY THEM ALREADY INCLUDE THE RENTAL, RIGHT? YEAH.
THE FEE THAT THEY'RE, THEIR FEES THAT THEY BRING IN THROUGH THEIR OPERATING IS GOING TO COVER THOSE.
THIS, THE LEASE PAYMENT, THIS WILL COME OUT OF THEIR OPERATING.
THIS WILL NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD, WOULD PAY SENSE.
KIND OF LIKE THEY DO WITH THE, THEIR, UM, GOLF CARTS THAT WE DID A FEW YEARS AGO.
YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY ONLY LAST SO LONG AND BEING ON THE COAST, WE KNOW HOW EQUIPMENT IS AND IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU'RE USING EVERY DAY, I MEAN THE WEAR AND TEAR ON IT, JUST, UM, YEAH.
SO I CAN GO THROUGH EACH PIECE, BUT, SO WHAT ABOUT MAINTENANCE ON THIS ONE? RENTAL, THE MAINTENANCE IS INCLUDED.
SO WOULD WE HAVE TO COST MORE AND HIGHER MAINTENANCE? THERE IS A WARRANTY, THERE IS MAINTENANCE ON, ON THIS.
WE'LL HAVE A THREE YEAR MAINTENANCE WARRANTY ON THE EQUIPMENT.
SO IT'S, IT WILL BE, UM, THE THREE YEARS ON OF THE 48 MONTHS THAT'S JUST ON THE WARRANTY OF THE EQUIPMENT.
IT'S, BUT WE, IT'S NOT CHANGING OIL AND ALL THAT.
WE, WE STILL MAINTAIN, WE STILL MAINTAIN.
THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE STAFF THAT TAKE CARE OF THAT.
THE GOLF COURSE GARAGE STAFF STILL MAINTAINS THE, THE EQUIPMENT.
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ALRIGHT.I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON, UH, ITEM NUMBER THREE, MR. I MOVE THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A 48 MONTH LEASE AGREEMENT AND A 36 MONTH BUYOUT OPTION FOR THE TORO GROUND MASTER 360, WHICH BETWEEN THE BUILDER RISK GOLF COURSE, PROFESSIONAL TURF PRODUCTS, UNITED AG AND PNC EQUIPMENT FINANCE IN AN AMOUNT NOT EXCEEDING AN ANNUAL PAYMENT OF $215,292 AS BUDGETED.
ALRIGHT, HAVE A MOTION FOR COUNCILMAN HANYA.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
WE HAVE, UH, FIVE, FOUR, AND ONE AGAINST.
[4. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2307, revising fees charged for water, sewer, garbage, and dumpster services. – James Bryson ]
ITEM FOUR AS DISCUSSED AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER, UH, 2 3 0 7.UH, REVISING, UH, FEES CHARGED FOR WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE, AND DUMPSTER SERVICES.
JAMES, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNSEL.
SO THE, YOU SHOULD HAVE A FINANCIAL OFFICER THAT'S A COMEDIAN.
AT MY LAST BIRTHDAY, WHICH IS TWO WEEKS AGO, I GOT EVERYBODY AND STAFF GAVE ME A COMIC.
IT WAS, UH, I'M WELL PREPARED.
THEY REALIZED THAT WE CAN'T AFFORD A, A GOOD COMPUTER.
UM, SO WE HAVE THIS OR, OR ORDINANCE REGARDING THE UTILITY RATES.
UM, AT THE AUGUST 18TH MEETING, THE COUNCIL APPROVED THE BUDGET.
THESE UTILITY RATES THAT WE'RE PRESENTING ARE BASED OFF WHAT THE BUDGET, UH, HAS FOR THE UTILITIES, WATER WASTE WASTEWATER.
IF YOU'LL RECALL, IN JULY, MATT GARRETT CAME WITH NEWGEN AND PRESENTED TO YOU THE UTILITY RATE STUDY AND THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL RATES THAT HE PROVIDED TO US.
PROVIDE FOR THE COVERAGE OF DEBT SERVICE AND THE RESERVE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO KEEP OUR UTILITY BONDS IN COMPLIANCE.
AND WITH REGARD TO SANITATION, DAVE YA YANKEE WITH A NEW GEN ALSO IN 2023, ALSO DID A UTILITY RATE STUDY FOR US ON THE COMMERCIAL OR ON ON THE, UH, SANITATION.
AND HIS RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD REFER ONE YEAR, UH, THE $1 ON THE RESIDENTIAL AND A 5% INCREASE ON THE COMMERCIAL AS WELL.
SO, UH, BASED OFF OF ALL THE EVALUATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, IT SEEMS SCIENTIFICALLY FEASIBLE THAT THIS WOULD BE THE BEST METHOD FOR YOU TO ADOPT SCIENTIFIC AND I DON'T THINK IT SCIENTIFIC TO ENTICE YOU FURTHER AT THE NEXT MEETING ON.
AND I WILL HAVE, I HOPE THERE NO CHEMIST FROM DAH HERE.
SO WE WILL HAVE UTILITY ORDINANCES WHERE YOU AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING TO ENTICE YOU TO SHOW UP TO THAT ONE.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I BEG OF YOU TO PLEASE ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE 2 3 0 7 AS PRESENTED.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? I DID WAS LOOKING FOR OH, OH, NOT YOU, THE, THE OTHER HIGHLIGHT, UM, THE, THE FOUR, THE 10 TO FROM FOUR TO 10.
THAT, UM, MR. WILSON AND HIS STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED ITEM SIX C UM, GOING FROM FOUR CUBIC YARDS TO 10 CUBIC YARDS AT, YOU KNOW, AT THE CURB.
AND AAU ABOVE IT AS WELL? YES.
I DUNNO WHAT HAPPENED TO B? OH, I GUESS IT.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST READING.
ALRIGHT, I'M READ THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE BY THE, THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AMENDING SECTION 1 0 2 0.1 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY REVISING THE FEES TO BE CHARGED FOR WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE, AND DUMPSTER SERVICES AND WATER AND SEWER TAP FEES.
REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR A SAVINGS CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON ITEM FOUR, ORDINANCE 2307.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UM, ACCEPT THE REVISED FEES CHARGED FOR WATER, SEWER, GARBAGE, AND DUMPSTER SERVICES AS PRESENTED.
ALRIGHT, I HAVE ONE MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE SOMETHING MS. JAMES? NO.
MOTION CARRIES ARE ON THE FIRST READING.
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YOU.[5. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2308, amending Ch. 50 Health and Sanitation of the Lake Jackson Code of Ordinances to prohibit massage establishments and owners/operators of massage establishments from operating in the city if the massage establishment or owner/operator have been charged with or convicted of certain crimes. – Sherri Russell]
UH, ITEM AM FIVE, DISCUSSING CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2308 AMENDING, UH, CHAPTER 58, HEALTH AND SANITATION OF LAKE JACKSON.CODE OF ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS AND OWNERS OR OPERATORS OF MASSAGE ESTABLISHES FROM OPERATING THE CITY.
IF THE METH MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT OR OWNER OR OPERATOR HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH OR CONVICTED OF CERTAIN CRIMES, MS. RUSSELL.
I BROUGHT THIS EXPLANATION TO Y'ALL LAST TIME.
AND SO THE ORDINANCE, UM, THE STATE LAW SAYS THAT WE CAN REGULATE, UM, DIFFERENT THINGS IF, IF A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT HAS DONE, HAS DONE THESE THINGS AND IT, AND IT INCLUDES OPERATING.
SO I INTERPRETED THAT AS YOU CAN'T OPERATE HERE ANYMORE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THREE PROSTITUTIONS, ONE CONVICTION LOST THEIR LICENSE.
IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT REACHING OUT AND JUST GRABBING ANYBODY.
SO THIS WOULD, IF THIS HAPPENS, IT WOULD PROHIBIT THEM FROM BEING IN OUR CITY.
YOU SAID HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH OR CONVICTED OF CERTAIN CRIMES MM-HMM
SO WHY YOU NEED CONVICTED? IF YOU'RE CHARGED, YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET DISQUALIFIED.
SO IF YOU'RE, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE CHARGED THREE TIMES.
AND THE CONVICTION IS JUST ONCE.
SO IT'S, THAT'S WHY IT'S IN THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.
AND IF I READ THIS CORRECTLY, SO IF, IF WE, UH, ENACT THIS ORDINANCE AND WE CLOSE SOMEBODY DOWN BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE IS AS FAR AS THE OWNER, SO THE ESTABLISHED ESTABLISHMENT CAN'T, ANOTHER ESTABLISHMENT CAN'T COME INTO THAT LOCATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE ONE, IF THEY'RE SANCTIONED BY, UM, TDLR, WHICH MEANS THEIR LICENSE HAS BEEN REVOKED OR SUSPENDED.
THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE SANCTION MEANS.
SO LANDLORD CAN HAVE ANOTHER MASSAGE PROGRAM APPOINT, RIGHT? THAT'S GOOD.
THAT PUTS PRESSURE BACK TO THE LANDLORD.
SO THE LANDLORD BECOMES MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHO COMES IN.
UH, AGAIN, REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, PLEASE.
IF THEY, IF THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF LICENSING REVOKES OR SUSPENDS THEIR LICENSE, THEN THEN A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT, ANY MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE AT THAT LOCATION AGAIN.
OR NO, IT, IT JUST SAYS THEY CAN'T DO IT.
SHERRY, I MEAN, NOT TO GET TECHNICAL, UM, ON A SHOPPING CENTER THOUGH.
DO YOU THINK IT MEANS JUST THAT SUITE? I DO.
I THINK IT, IT MEANS JUST THAT SUITE.
NOT THE SHOPPING CENTER AT ALL.
BECAUSE IT, THE, THE BENEFIT OF THAT ALSO IS, IS THAT IT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR, BECAUSE IT RIGHT NOW, LIKE ONE CAN SHUT DOWN THE NEXT DAY, ANOTHER ONE SH MM-HMM.
GO IN THERE AND USE THE SAME EQUIPMENT, USE EVERYTHING.
AND IT'S THIS WAY, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR THE BAD PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE DEAL.
IS, IS YOU WANNA MAKE IT A CHALLENGE FOR THE BAD PEOPLE TO COME INTO YOUR CITY.
AND SO WE'RE USING THE LAWS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US BY THE STATE OF TEXAS, WHICH I WISH IT WOULD GO FURTHER, BUT ANYWAY, THIS IS GETTING BETTER AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT PIECE GO IN THERE BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT WAS SAD TO FIND OUT THAT WE HAD A LANDLORD OF ONE OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT KIND OF HAD A FEELING THINGS WEREN'T GOING WELL, WEREN'T GOING APPROPRIATELY AT THAT LOCATION, BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE PAYING THEIR BILL, THEY DIDN'T REALLY CARE.
SO ANYWAY, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE PUT THE WORDING THAT SAYS HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH OR CONVICTED, THAT'S JUST NOR NORMALLY THAT'S JUST IN THE, IT'S A CONVICTION THAT TRIGGERS SOMETHING NOT JUST BEING ACCUSED OR SOMETHING.
WELL, THIS, THE STATE LAW LETS US DO IT IF THEY'VE BEEN ACCUSED THREE TIMES, IT'S NOT JUST ONE TIME THEY'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF PROSTITUTION THREE TIMES.
WELL, IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT.
NO, THAT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU, WE HAVE TO FIT IT INTO THE AGENDA.
IT SAYS IT IN THE ACTUAL, OKAY.
IT'S JUST ME TAKING SHORTCUTS OF THAT.
SO IF THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION I HAVE WITH THIS, I READ THE ORDINANCE.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER 50 HEALTH AND SAFETY TO PROHIBIT A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT THAT HAS A CRIMINAL HISTORY FROM OPERATING IN THE CITY.
PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT HEREWITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT, ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE.
AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION, I'LL TAKE MOTION ON THIS ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ORDINANCE 2308.
MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE, UH,
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CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2308 AMENDING CHAPTER 50, HEALTH AND SANITATION OF LAKE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS AND ONE SLASH OPERATORS OF MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS FROM OPERATING IN THE CITY IF THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT OR OWNER OPERATOR HAVE BEEN CHARGED THREE TIMES OR CONVICTED OF CERTAIN CRIMES.WE HAVE A MOTION WITH COUNCIL HANYA.
SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SETH AGAIN.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO, NOT HEARING ANY.
UH, ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES WITH ALL YAYS.
[6. New Business Updates. – David Walton]
GO TO ITEM SIX.UM, WE HAVE TAKEN THE, UH, NEW BUSINESS UPDATES AS WE DID LAST MONTH AND PUT WHERE THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY IN THEIR PROJECTS.
UM, BUT BECAUSE NOW THE, THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE AGENDA TO BE, UH, SUBMITTED, UH, A GOOD PORTION BEFORE THE ACTUAL DATE OF THE MEETING.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OF CHANGES AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS NOTE FOR THE VILLAS, BUILDING TWO HAS RECEIVED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
IT'S NOT JUST READY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
JUST FOR OUR CLARIFICATION, THE STATE LAW IS JUST FOR THE AGENDA.
IT DOESN'T FOR BACKGROUND, I MEAN BACK MATERIAL.
IS IT JUST THAT THE AGENDA THAT YOU POST ON THE DOOR S HAS IS ON THE DEADLINE AND WE MEET THE DEADLINE? HMM.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT JUST THE AGENDA MATERIAL DEADLINE.
BUT THE MATERIAL DEADLINE IS SALLY'S DEADLINE.
IS THAT CORRECT? OR IS THAT STATE? I PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND JUST DO IT ALL AT ONE TIME, LIKE THAT TUESDAY.
BUT IF THERE'S LIKE AN EVENT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I CAN ALWAYS UPDATE YOUR LINK.
UM, IF THERE'S A CHANGE, YOU COULD ALWAYS SEND IT TO ME AND I CAN UPDATE IT.
UM, YEAH, SHE'S VERY INFORMATION VERY GOOD TO KNOW.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY SALLY WASN'T FLEXIBLE.
YEAH, NO, IT'S JUST 'CAUSE IF WE DON'T SET A YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND YOUR DEADLINE AND, AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DEADLINE AND STUFF.
STATE OF TEXAS LEGISLATURE FOR THIS NEW DEADLINE.
UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE, THE, THE PROJECTS AND STUFF? I, UH, SINCE I SAID IT, I'LL ASK THE QUESTION IS, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE CONVENIENCE STORE, UH, FILLING STATION NEXT TO THE BANK.
THEY, PEOPLE HAVE SAID WHAT'S HAPPENED THERE? THEY, THEY'RE THINKING WE PULLED PERMITS, PULLED THEIR PERMITS 'CAUSE NO WORK IS GOING ON.
I MEAN THERE'S, THERE'S CONSISTENTLY PEOPLE IN AND OFF OF THAT SITE.
THEY'RE AT A POINT NOW THOUGH WHERE YOU'RE GONNA START SEEING, UH, PROGRESS DOWN RIGHT AS THEY START WORKING INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, UH, WHATNOT.
THEY STILL OBVIOUSLY NEED TO POUR A DRIVEWAY, APRON, UM, UH, BUT IT'S STILL VERY MUCH ACTIVE.
ANY WHITE ON RED LOBSTER? UH, IT'S OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE MALL HAS PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY AND WE HAVE HAD A PRELIMINARY MEETING WITH, UH, WITH DEVELOPERS, BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY SECONDARY MEETINGS, NOR HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY, UM, PLANS.
YEAH, BECAUSE, AND ALSO WITH THE, UH, SHOE STORE THERE, THE PLANS THAT WAS ANNOUNCED EVEN NATIONALLY WAS IS THAT THE NEW BUILDING WAS GONNA BE A PREFAB AND UP AND OPERATIONAL IN SEPTEMBER.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
WE NEED SEEING, SEEING SOME MOVEMENT ON, ON STUFF.
YEAH, THAT'S SEVEN BREWS COFFEE IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
WHERE, UH, RIGHT WING, RED WING, IT'LL GO RED.
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CITY MANAGER, ANYTHING? NO, I THINK WE'VE, UH, COVERED EVERYTHING.I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC UPDATES, UH, EXCEPT FOR ON THE COMMUNITY ANNOUNCEMENTS.
I THINK THE HUMMINGBIRD EXTRAVAGANZA IS ON THE 13TH AND THE 20TH.
UH, GET YOUR LITTLE BANDS OUT SO YOU CAN BAND HELP BAND THE LITTLE LEGS.
WHAT IT BRINGS IN A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE.
UH, SO THERE'S, UH, ANY KIND OF ACTIONS TODAY? YES.
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JUST, UH, WE WILL START ADVERTISING, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, UH, FOR PLANNERS AND COUNCIL.AND THEN ERIC'S UH, WILL BE COLLECTING DATA AND WE'LL PROVIDE TO COUNSEL.
I'M GONNA SAY SOMETIME, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SHOOT FOR THE FIRST MEETING, OCTOBER, IF NOT THE SECOND ONE, UH, TO SEE IF WE CAN GIVE YOU A RUNNING TOTAL.
AND THEN ALSO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM, WE'LL DISCUSS WITH STAFF, WE'LL CONTACT ALL THE REFERENCES FOR GCP AND UH, COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH, UH, SEE IF WE HAVE A REVISED RECOMMENDATION OR NOT.
AND THEN THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE YOUR SECOND READINGS FOR, SO IS THERE ANY WAY I CAN MAKE A COMMENT ON THE NUMBER FOUR OR IT'S TOO LATE TO THAT NUMBER FOUR? THE, THE ONE YOU JUST MENTIONED, UH, 2307 OR NO, ABOUT THE CONSIDER AGENDA.
SO MY COMMENT IS THAT I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS THAT, UH, GOLF COURSE BRINGS IN REVENUE.
SO TO PAY FOR ITSELF AND, UH, ALMOST PAY FOR ITSELF.
WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THAT BY HIRING SOME CONTRACTOR, EVEN THOUGH WHO'S NOT FULLY WORSE THAN DOING BUNKERS AND MESS IT UP.
SO YOU HAVE TAKES LONGER FOR THE GOLF COURSE TO STAY IN OPERATION.
SO WE JUST WANT TO BE CAREFUL TO THAT FACT, UH, AND NOT JUST RELY ON THE LOW NUMBER AND REFERENCES.
SO THE, WELL, IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T RELY LOT OF EXPERIENCE.
IN THIS CASE WE DIDN'T RELY ON REFERENCES.
BUT EXPERIENCE IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU, IF YOU'RE BIDDING ON A GOLF COURSE GOLF JOB, THEN YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE GOLF EXPERIENCE RATHER THAN JUST BROAD BRUSH EXPERIENCE.
SO I JUST WANNA CAUTION, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
COULD BE A YEAH, WELL IT'LL COME BACK TO US EVENTUALLY, SO FOR US TO MAKE THAT DECISION, SO, OKAY.
BUT YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA GET, GO FOLLOW THE REFERENCES.
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GO TO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTERESTS.SO STAFF, ANYTHING ELSE? YES, SIR.