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MATT CALLED AND SAID HE'S CAUGHT IN TRAFFIC AT THE 2004 MESSED UP LIGHT. 
          SO HE'LL BE A LITTLE LATE, BUT HE'LL BE HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, APPRO MINUTES 
          [2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
AROUND CHANCE WITH THE MINUTES. 
          ANY, ANY CHANGES OR ADDITIONS MINUTES ARE APPROVED. 
          MR. THERE'S COMMENTS IF ANYBODY'S HERE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, NOW WOULD BE A TIME YOU CAN COME UP AND, AND, UH, SPEAK. 
          ANYBODY THAT COMES UP, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORDING. 
          ALL 
          [4. DISTRIBUTION OF BOARD AND COMMISSION’S HANDBOOK]
RIGHT, ANNA, WE GOT DISTRIBUTION OF A BOARD AND COMMISSIONER COMMISSION'S HANDBOOK. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO I WENT AHEAD AND PUT THESE ON THE DICE. 
          AND THIS IS, UH, SALLY'S BABY. 
          SO IT IS FOR, UH, NEW BOARD MEMBERS TO DISCUSS THE ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES, THE OPEN MEETINGS ACT, AND THE BASIC, UH, ROLES AND FORUMS FOR, UH, A MEETING. 
          SHE ALSO WANTED ME TO DISCUSS THE HOUSE BILL 1522, UH, THAT, THAT BASICALLY DESCRIBES THE 72, UH, HOURS BEFORE A MEETING, WHICH IS THREE BUSINESS DAYS, AND THAT AFFECTS THE TIMEFRAME AND DEADLINES FOR, UH, FOR AGENDAS. 
          SO, UM, SHE ALSO WANTED ME TO STRESS AGENDA, UM, ATTENDANCE FOR AGENDA ITEMS. WELL, LEMME SEE. 
          SHE ALSO WANTED ME ADDRESS ATTENDANCE, BUT THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS BOARD. 
          UH, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FORM AND THAT IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONS TO THIS, UM, HANDBOOK TO LET US KNOW. 
          AND IT'S ALSO ONLINE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE ONLY MINOR THING I NOTICE IS, IS THE EXCEPTIONS ON THE MEETING TIME WHEN YOU CAN'T MEET ON A TUESDAY. 
          UM, IT SAYS IT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT IT'S NOT WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THAT MEETING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL, I'LL NOTE IT'S A MINOR THING, BUT YES SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, THE FIRST ITEM 
          [5. PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ON SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR POOLS AND ACCESSORY  STRUCTURES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES.]
IS PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTION ON SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR POOLS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES. 
          SO WE HAVE AN HONOR, UM, OUR, WE'LL LOOK YOU HERE. 
          SHE'S EXCITED. 
          , I'M, IT'S, IT'S BEEN A DAY . 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, UM, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S IN THOSE ORDINANCES UNTIL SOMEBODY READS THEM CAREFULLY AND THEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THEM. 
          SO, UM, ONLY FENCES ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT THE BUILDING LINE OR BEHIND AND NOT ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. 
          SO WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SHOULD BE. 
          UM, DO YOU WANT THEM IN THE FRONT YARDS? DO YOU WANT THEIR SHEDS IN THE FRONT YARDS AND THE SWIMMING POOLS? THAT WAS THE ISSUE. 
          WE NOW HAVE A SWIMMING POOL, PART OF A SWIMMING POOL IN A FRONT YARD. 
          NOT THE WHOLE THING. 
          JUST A COUPLE FEET MAYBE. 
          YEAH. 
          A COUPLE FEET OF THE POOL STRETCHED INTO, WELL, NOT THE FRONT ABOVE, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LOT. 
          AND SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          THE, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ONLY HAVE SETBACKS. 
          THEY DON'T SAY BUILDING LINE OR BEHIND. 
          AND THAT GOES FOR ALL RESIDENTIAL AND E ONE. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE Y'ALL TO DISCUSS WHETHER YOU WANT TO TREAT E ONE DIFFERENTLY, THEN ALL THE RESIDENTIAL GROUPS AND, UM, WHETHER YOU WANT THEM BEHIND THE BUILDING LINE OR YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE. 
          AREN'T POOLS SUPPOSED TO HAVE A FENCE AROUND THEM OR SOME KIND OF YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, THAT WASN'T, THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT GOT SOLVED. 
          YES. 
          THE POOL WAS SCREENED IN, UM, WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT. 
          THEN THAT IS IN FRONT OF THE FENCE DEFINES WHERE YOU GOT IT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE A FENCE IN THE FRONT, SO THE POOL CAN'T BE IN THE FRONT. 
          SO THAT'S, NO, THIS POOL, THE RIGHT, THE POOL THAT CREEPED IN BY TWO FEET WAS COMPLETE. 
          IT'S COMPLETELY SCREENED IN. 
          AND THAT MATCHES THE DEFINITION OF THE FENCE THAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE SWIMMING POOL. 
          SO, SO THAT, THAT GOT WORKED OUT. 
          THAT WAS VERY COMPLICATED. 
          AND THAT ALL GOT WORKED OUT JUST FINE. 
          WAS IT SCREENED IN FRONT OF THE BUILD LOT? THE SCREEN IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF, UM, SAYING NO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. 
          YEAH. 
          WE HAD TO LET THE SCREEN GO UP. 
          SO WE'RE THEMING THE, THE SCREEN AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, NOT A FENCE. 
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YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S, THAT'S A DONE DEAL. 
          . 
          WE UNDERSTAND IT'S A DONE DEAL. 
          WHAT YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN FOREST LANE AND SEE IF YOU CAN EVEN SEE IT AND NOTICE IT. 
          OKAY, WELL THAT KIND OF, I'M JUST GETTING THE POOL THING. 
          SELF FIXES. 
          'CAUSE YOU GOT A FENCE AROUND, THE FENCE CAN'T BE IN THE FRONT. 
          SO THAT SOLVES THE POOL IN THE FRONT YARD PROBLEM. 
          SO, UM, WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING LINE? THE BUILDING LINE IS THE LINE, UM, BEYOND WHICH BUILDINGS SHALL NOT BE ERECTED. 
          UM, ONCE A BUILDING IS LEGALLY ERECTED, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS THE BUILDING LINE. 
          SO YOUR HOUSE, WHERE YOUR HOUSE IS, IT'S THE BUILDING LINE. 
          AND UM, AND WHETHER YOU'VE SAID IT EXACTLY AT YOUR SETBACK OR FARTHER BACK FROM YOUR SETBACK, AT THAT POINT, WHEREVER IT IS, UM, WELL, YOUR FENCE, THE FENCE HAS TO BE FLUSHED WITH YOUR HOUSE OR BEHIND IT. 
          BUT IT SEEMED LIKE IT IMPLIES THE BUILDING LINE IS THE FARTHEST FORWARD A BUILDING CAN BE INSTALLED. 
          IT'S, IT IS UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY PUT THE BUILDING ON THERE. 
          AND ONCE THE BUILDING'S ON THERE, THAT'S THE OFFICIAL BUILDING LINE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT A SETBACK, IT'S NOT A CERTAIN FEAT. 
          IT'S, THIS IS YOUR MAIN BUILDING. 
          AND WHEN YOU'VE PUT YOUR MAIN BUILDING THERE, NOW YOU'VE MADE THE BUILDING LINE. 
          I I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          BUT SEEM LIKE BUILDING WOULD INCLUDE BUILDING, UH, AN AUXILIARY BUILDING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE THAT, THAT WOULD BE EXCLUDED BECAUSE IT'S EXCEEDS THE BUILDING LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTION. 
          LET ME ASK HYPOTHETICAL. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE A FRIEND LIVES IN A BEAUTIFUL HOME IN NORTHWOOD, AND THEN YOU GO UP TO THE DRIVEWAY MM-HMM . 
          THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS HERE, BUT THERE'S A GARAGE THAT'S PART OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE YOU TURN INTO THE GARAGE. 
          SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, IT CAN BE IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE WHERE THE GARAGE STICKS OUT. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS THE FRONT. 
          IF THE, IF IS THE GARAGE ATTACHED. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S ONE BUILD. 
          IT'S ONE, THEN IT'S THEN, UH, THE GARAGE IS PART OF THE BUILDING LINE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IF IT, IF IT JUTS OUT A LITTLE BIT, IT'S LIKE A GARAGE THAT THEY PULL INTO. 
          THAT'S NICE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S A NICE HOME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THERE'S ALREADY EXCEPTIONS FOR GAZEBOS OR WHATEVER. 
          THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS FOR STUFF IN THE FRONT YARD FOR THE LITTLE DECORATIVE, DECORATIVE THINGS NOT SHEDS. 
          SO HOW DO WE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THAT AND THINGS WE DON'T WANT IN FRONT? HOW DO WE MAKE THAT DISTINCTION? YEAH, I KNOW. 
          Y'ALL JUST DO A GOOD JOB AND   TELL ME AND TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. 
          YEAH, EXACTLY. 
          'CAUSE PERMANENTS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT ADJECTIVE. 
          SO WHAT'S, I THINK WE, I DON'T, DAVID DO YOU KNOW I BROUGHT, I BROUGHT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE. 
          I BROUGHT TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WITH ME. 
          , THIS IS EXHIBIT A. 
          HELLO. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          WERE YOU, WERE YOU LISTENING? YES. 
          YES MA'AM. 
          SO ONCE A, ONCE YOUR PRIMARY STRUCTURE IS LEGALLY ESTABLISHED, WHICH IS YOUR HOME, INCLUDING ATTACHED APARTMENTS LIKE YOUR GARAGE, THAT WOULD ESTABLISH THE THE BUILD LINE, WHICH IS THE FURTHEST, FOREMOST WALL OF YOUR STRUCTURE. 
          NOW, TO ADDRESS, UM, MR. SANDERS A POOL, BE AN ACCESSORY, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WOULD NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF ENCLOSURE. 
          BUT A SCREENED ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS NOT A FENCE, IS A COMPLIANT ENCLOSURE FOR A POOL. 
          SO IN THE CASE, OVER ON FOREST DRIVE, YOU HAVE A POOL, WHICH WAS, WHICH WHICH WE HAD TO LEGALLY ALLOW TO BE PLACED WITH A PORTION FORWARD OF THE FRONT BUILDING LINE WITH THE SCREENED ENCLOSURE, WHICH SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENT FOR SECURITY BECAUSE THE FENCES ARE JUST DETERRENT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, IF YOU WANNA GET IN, YOU'RE GONNA GET IN THE SCREEN'S THE SAME THING. 
          SCREEN FENCE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF YOU, YOU'RE GONNA CLIMB THE FENCE OR OPEN THE GATE OR CUT THE SCREEN IF YOU'RE REALLY, REALLY DETERMINED TO GO SWIM. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO DETERMINE THAT, UH, ANYTHING AROUND THE POOL IS CONSIDERED A FENCE THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. 
          SO THEN HOW WE DEFINE WHAT'S A STRUCTURE OR ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT WE DON'T WOULDN'T WANT IN THE FRONT YARD? SO THE DEFINITIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, SPECIFIED THAT A STRUCTURE IS ANY OBJECT CONSTRUCTED OR ERECTED ON A LOT THAT IT'S, THAT IS SUB ACCESSORY STRUCTURE THAT IS SUBORDINATE TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING, SUCH AS ACCESSORY BUILDING, FENCE, SWING, POOL OR DECKS. 
          A BUILDING'S, 
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A STRUCTURE BUILT FOR THE SUPPORT SHELTER, ENCLOSURE OF PERSONS ANIMALS, UH, CHATS OR MOVABLE PROPERTY. 
          AND, UM, YES. 
          AND THEN THE BUILD LINE IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. 
          DOES ANYBODY GOT A PROBLEM WITH KEEPING ACCESSORY BUILDINGS OUT OF THE FRONT YARD PAST THE BUILD LINE? DOESN'T IT SAY RIGHT THERE? NO FENCE ENCLOSURE SHALL EXTEND CLOSER TO ANYTHING. 
          IT'S A GENERAL THING. 
          THING THAT THE BUILDING LINE IS THE LIMIT FOR ANY PERMANENT BUILDINGS. 
          AND YOU CAN'T GO ANY CLOSER TO THE ROAD. 
          AND THE THING I FIND INTERESTING IS THIS, IF OUR CURRENT SAYS FENCE LOCATION, NO FENCER ENCLOSURE SHALL EXTEND CLOSER TO ANY STREET RIGHT OF WAY, THEN THE BUILDING LINE, DOESN'T THAT TAKE CARE OF THAT THERE? AND WE KNOW A POOL HAS TO HAVE A FENCE OR A SCREEN ENCLOSURE IN FRONT OF IT THAT DOESN'T EQUATE WITH THE SENTENCE WE WERE REQUIRED TO DO TO APPROVE A POOL THAT EXTENDS TWO FEET OUT. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE. 
          IT DIDN'T NEED A FENCE. 
          IT NEEDED THE SCREEN ENCLOSURE. 
          BUT YES. 
          SO GOING BACK AND LOOKING AT THE, THE DEFINITION AS IT'S PUBLISHED IN, IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT SAYS THAT THE BUILD LINE MEANS A LINE USUALLY PARALLEL TO STREET OR PROPERTY LINE BEYOND WHICH BUILDINGS SHALL NOT BE ERECTED. 
          ONCE A BUILDING IS LEGALLY ERECTED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE CHAPTER OF THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO BE THE BUILD LINE FOR THE, FOR THE, FOR THAT BUILDING, FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING PLACEMENT OF ALL FENCES. 
          IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OTHER ENCLOSURES, OTHER STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          THE BUILD LINE WAS SPECIFICALLY IN THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY. 
          IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT A FENCE IN FRONT OF IT. 
          NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GOT CHALLENGING FOR US BECAUSE WHEN, UH, WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AND WE STARTED DOING RESEARCH, THE, THE INDIVIDUAL FELT AS IF THEY COULD TAKE IT TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          AND SO WE STARTED DOING RESEARCH TO PREPARE FOR THAT BOARD MEETING. 
          WE FOUND THAT THE ORDINANCE, UH, LACKED THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO KEEP A STRUCTURE, INCLUDING A, UM, SCREENED ENCLOSURE OUT OF OR FROM BEING PLACED FORWARD OF THE EXISTING BUILD LINE. 
          BECAUSE THE DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY USED THE WORD FENCE. 
          YES. 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          ARE WE WORKING ON THE PROBLEM OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE OR THE FUTURE? FUTURE THAT ONE'S DONE. 
          IT'S, IT'S THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT'S THE FUTURE. 
          SO I DON'T, DID Y'ALL GET THE LITTLE THING? MM-HMM. 
          NO. 
          CAN I SEE YOUR POCKET? NOPE. 
          SO TO ME, OKAY, SO THIS IS WHAT I'VE GOT IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          IT LISTS WHAT ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED LIKE AN R ONE AND E ONE, JUST YOUR NORMAL. 
          THIS IS AT THE BACK. 
          YES, IT'S AT THE BACK. 
          IT'S THE VERY BACK HERE. 
          AT THE VERY BACK. 
          I KNOW. 
          'CAUSE I READ IT WHEN IT WAS SENT TO US. 
          GOOD. 
          MY LIFE SUCKED SOMETIMES UP. 
          , YOU MUST BE A LAWYER, BUT I I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE ONE 10 DASH 1 7, 3 0.1. 
          NO OFFENSE OR ENCLOSURE. 
          RIGHT OFF THE BAT IT SAYS THAT ENCLOSURE DOESN'T MEAN AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          ENCLOSURE MEANS LIKE FENCE. 
          AN ENCLOSURE. 
          YOU JUST SAID AN ENCLOSURE WAS, IT SAYS FENCE AND ENCLOSURE. 
          YOU JUST SAID ENCLOSURE QUALIFIES AS AS THE, WE NEED TO SAY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. 
          LIKE IT, IT'S IN THE DEFINITION. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE NEED IT TO SAY. 
          BUT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IS THE POOL AND OTHER THINGS FOR THE PURPOSE. 
          IN THIS CASE, WE'RE ASKING FOR, FOR THE, UH, BOARD TO PERHAPS LOOK AT EXTENDING THE LANGUAGE TO INCLUDE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND NOT JUST FENCES AND ENCLOSURES. 
          BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T ANYTHING TO KEEP SOMEONE FROM PUTTING A SHED OR AN ACCESSORY GARAGE OR, UM, SOME OTHER STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THEIR EXISTING HOUSE. 
          HOW ABOUT JUST SAYING NOTHING NO. 
          IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE AND USE THE BUILDING LINE DEFINITION THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AND NOTHING IS ALLOWED IN FRONT OF IT, EXCEPT THE LITTLE ORNAMENTAL STUFF THAT WAS SPOKEN TO JUST A SECOND AGO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S VERY SIMPLE. 
          AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I, I THOUGHT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WAS THE, WHAT IT WAS. 
          WE, WHERE WE WERE AT ALREADY WAS NOTHING. 
          WHEN THE, WHEN THE BUILDING LINE IS, IS MADE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          MR. GODDEN, AS DID WE, UNTIL WE REALLY GOT INTO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE DEFINITIONS? BECAUSE DEFINITIONS OBVIOUSLY MATTER, BUT, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU SAY NOTHING, YOU DON'T NEED TO DEFINE ENCLOSURES AND FENCES AND SHEDS AND PLACEBOS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A VERY GOOD WAY OF LOOKING AT IT. 
          DO 
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YOU ALSO WANT THAT APPLIED TO THE E ONE, THE ESTATES? DO YOU WANT NOTHING IN FRONT OF THEIRS? OH GOODNESS. 
          THOSE ARE, THOSE NEED TO NEED TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY, I WOULD THINK. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE. 
          AND I WOULDN'T THINK IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY OF THEM BUILT. 
          WELL, NO, BUT THERE COULD BE AN EXISTING ONE WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF IT. 
          WE ALREADY GIVE OUT ALL THAT SPACE. 
          WE ALREADY GIVE OUT ADJUSTMENTS ON EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          COULDN'T THEY COME HERE AND ASK FOR AN ADJUSTMENT? NO, NOT UNLESS YOU MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO SAY, UM, E ONE CAN HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE IF YOU COME TO PLANNER. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          I, I'D MAKE IT SOUND BETTER WHEN I WROTE IT DOWN. 
          THEY SAY YOU'RE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY LAST TIME I CHECKED. 
          NO. 
          IF, IF THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL WANT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S FINE. 
          OKAY. 
          I AM STILL THE ATTORNEY. 
          I'M BACK TO WHAT WE DECIDED. 
          WHAT I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST ADDING TO THE DEFINITION OF BUILDING LINE AND THAT WHERE IT AS SAYS ALL FENCES AND ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU, THE A DEFINITION IS NOT THE ORDINANCE. 
          IT'S JUST A DEFINITION. 
          SO WHATEVER. 
          YOU COULD PUT ALL SORTS OF THINGS IN THERE. 
          IT SHOULDN'T IT, IT SHOULDN'T. 
          YOU SHOULD NEVER HAVE THE ACTUAL LAW IN YOUR DEFINITIONS. 
          AND SO, UM, THIS IS TRUE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT DOESN'T, THAT'S JUST A DEFINITION. 
          IT ISN'T ACTUALLY, EVEN THOUGH THE FENCE IS A DEFINITION ALSO. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WE HAVE NO, BUT WE HAVE THE FENCES WRITTEN INTO THE ORDINANCE ENCLOSURE. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO LAWYERS ON HERE. 
          CAN Y'ALL COME UP WITH SOME WORDING THAT WOULD MAKE A NO. 
          WELL, I'M GONNA DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE OF THIS TYPE OF THING. 
          Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO COME UP WITH EXACT LANGUAGE. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNSEL. 
          YEAH. 
          ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT IN FRONT OF A BUILDING AND WHAT YOU DON'T WANT IN FRONT OF A BUILDING. 
          AND IF YOU WANT THE CONDITIONAL, UM, SOME SORT OF CONDITIONAL USE FOR E ONE, THAT'LL BE FINE TOO. 
          THAT'D BE MY THOUGHT. 
          LEAVE E ONE LIKE IT IS AND SAY NOTHING IN FRONT OF US. 
          ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT, HARRY? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT WELL, I'M JUST MAKING SURE I'M READING. 
          I I STILL, I I, YEAH. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING IS REDOING THE DEFINITIONS. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? NO, I'M GOING TO MAKE IT SO THAT, UM, NO, NO, SHE'S NOT. 
          THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THAT SAYS, UM, UH, NO STRUCTURES WILL BE ALLOWED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING LINE. 
          NOTHING. 
          I'M NOTHING PARENTHESES, AND THEN I WILL COME UP WITH, UM, I'LL PUT, EXCEPT FOR E ONE, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME TO PLANNER FOR CONDITIONAL A SITE PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          TO GET IT APPROVED. 
          AND YOU SAY NOTHING, IS THAT GONNA CAUSE A PROBLEM? SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A MAILBOX THING OUT THERE, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, I WILL LOOK AT THE MAILBOX. 
          THAT WOULD FALL UNDER ORNAMENTAL, WOULDN'T IT? WELL, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE A VERY BEAUTIFUL POOL. 
          IT'S ORNAMENTAL . 
          YEAH. 
          NO, AND JEFF, JEFF MAKES A GOOD POINT. 
          HE DOES. 
          I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT TO, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME OF THAT POOLS THAT, AND THERE'S GONNA BE LAWYERS LIKE US THAT'LL COME UP WITH WAYS TO GET AROUND IT. 
          I, I'M STILL GETTING BLOWN AWAY BY THE ENCLOSURE WORDING. 
          'CAUSE RIGHT. 
          INSURANCE FOLLOWS ENCLOSURE AS THE SCREEN. 
          THAT'S WHAT INSURANCE REQUIRES. 
          HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE REQUIRES THAT SCREENING. 
          THAT'S WHERE THAT WORD COMES FROM, IS THE ENCLOSURE. 
          SO I'M AMAZED THAT WE CAN'T, COULDN'T USE THAT WITH OUR FOREST DRIVE INDIVIDUALS, LET ALONE EVERYBODY MOVING FORWARD. 
          INSURANCE DICTATES EVERY TURN THAT WE DO IN THIS PLACE. 
          LAST TIME I CHECKED AND 99.9% OF CA CASUAL LIFE AND INSURANCE ENCLOSURE FALLS UNDER THE SCREENING. 
          SO I, THAT JUST BOGGLES MY MIND THAT, THAT, THAT WE COULDN'T ENFORCE THAT. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING POOLS SPECIFICALLY. 
          YEAH, NO, I'M, YEAH, TOTALLY. 
          AND THAT WAY YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT GETTING INTO Y'ALL TRYING TO READ INTO OUR MIND OR WHAT. 
          NOTHING IS CLOSE MY MIND. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ORNAMENTAL, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET INTO MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE SOME GAZEBOS, WHICH Y'ALL YOU SAID IS ORNAMENTAL, SOME OF THEM ARE, I HAVE NOT SAID THE G WERE ALL EATING IT. 
          WELL, SOMEBODY DID. 
          AND YOU GO, WELL, THAT'S ORNAMENTAL. 
          WELL, SOME OF THESE GAZEBOS ARE THOSE GAZEBO CROSSING AS MUCH AS THE HOUSE ARE STRUCTURES THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING NOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THEY'RE POURING SLABS. 
          FOR SOME OF THEM IT'S JUST ORNAMENTALS FENCES. 
          SUPPOSE. 
          WOW. 
          I'M GLAD I, OH, I JUST LOVE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THIS. 
           A HOOP THAT I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE ADDED IN THE DEFINITIONS, INCLUDING THINGS THAT I GUESS WEREN'T THERE. 
          I AGREE. 
          PREVIOUSLY. 
          I THINK THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. 
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SO, OKAY. 
          WHENEVER Y'ALL ARE READY TO MAKE A MOTION, WE HAVE A LAWYER UP HERE WHO WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          . 
          I'M LETTING, I'M GONNA LET JEFFREY TAKE THAT ONE, TWO OH SQUARE FOOT. 
          OH. 
          OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE ALREADY DID. 
          HEY DID, HI DAN. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE TO CLOSE IT BEFORE YOU MOTION. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I MOVE TO APPROVE AN ACTION ON SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR POOLS AND ACCESSORY STRUCTURES IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES AS PROPOSED AND PRESENTED IN THE NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA OUTLINING THE DEFINITIONS OF ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, BUILDING LINE AND PRINCIPLE BUILDING AS PRESENTED. 
          DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SAY THAT, BUT UNLESS YOU WANT ME TO MOTION IT TO INCLUDE SWIMMING POOLS AND, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, BUT I JUST THOUGHT NO, NO, THAT, THAT'S SUFFICIENT WITH OUR DISCUSSION AND YOUR MOTION NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? THANK JERRY. 
          THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. 
          THE NEXT ITEM, A PRE 
          [6. PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION OF A PROPOSED MCDONALD’S FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT THE  INTERSECTION OF FM HIGHWAY 2004 AND NORTH YAUPON STREET AS DISCOVERY AND  FEEDBACK FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.]
PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION OF A PROPOSED MCDONALD'S FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT THE INTERSECTION OF 2004 IN NORTH YON AS DISCOVERY AND FEEDBACK FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES. 
          UH, SO THE GROUP YOU CAN COME UP, UM, THIS GROUP HERE CAME AND MET WITH US FOR A PRE-DEVELOPMENT MEETING FOR THE SITE AS LESS THAN TWO ACRES. 
          HOWEVER, JUST DUE TO THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT IT EARLY BEFORE ANYTHING GOES FURTHER IN DEVELOPMENT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY RED FLAGS. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE MEMO, WE DON'T SEE, UM, REAL MEANS FOR BEING ABLE TO STOP IT FROM DEVELOPING. 
          I THINK THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT WE MIGHT WANNA DISCUSS. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, I'LL, I'LL OPEN FOR YOU. 
          YOU CAN SHOW THE PROJECT. 
          SURE. 
          AND GREAT. 
          HELLO, GOOD EVENING. 
          NAME'S CASEY GENOVESE. 
          I'M WITH LINFIELD HUNTER AND JUNIOR ENGINEERS. 
          WERE THE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON THE PROJECT FROM MCDONALD'S. 
          AS NICOLE SAID, WE MET WITH THE CITY, I THINK BACK ON AUGUST 19TH FOR A PRE-DEVELOPED MEETING. 
          UH, I THINK IT WAS CITY BUILDING, WAS THERE, PLANNING, UM, ENGINEERING, PUBLIC WORKS, UTILITIES. 
          SO WE DISCUSSED, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF ZONING, UM, SITE LAYOUT, PARKING ACCESS, DRAINAGE, UM, AND GOT SOME GOOD FEEDBACK AND WE APPRECIATE THE CITY'S TIME, UH, DURING THAT MEETING. 
          UM, AND DURING THAT MEETING, DUE TO THE, I GUESS BEING NEARBY TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UM, THE CITY RECOMMENDED AND REQUESTED THAT WE COME MEET WITH Y'ALL TONIGHT AND JUST PRESENT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND GET ANY FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE, UM, ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UM, UM, BUT I WILL SAY THAT UM, THE INITIAL SITE PLAN WE BROUGHT IN WAS SHIFTED DOWN ABOUT 60 FEET OR SO, AND WITH THE CITY, UH, BRINGING UP THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEARBY. 
          WE WENT TO MCDONALD'S AND THEY WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS OF COURSE. 
          SO WE PUSHED EVERYTHING, THE WHOLE ENTIRE LAYOUT, PAVEMENT BUILDING DRIVE THROUGH AS CLOSE AS WE COULD BACK UP TOWARDS THE STATE HIGHWAY. 
          UM, JUST TO GET AS FAR AWAY AS POSSIBLE FROM THE NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, AND THEN SOMEONE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AT THE MEETING BROUGHT UP, THERE'S A, THERE'S A RECIPROCAL, UM, EASEMENT AGREEMENT IN PLACE WITH WHAT'S GONNA BE THE CHURCH NOW. 
          CHURCH, YEAH. 
          UM, SO THEY BROUGHT UP THOSE, THERE'S 20 SOMETHING STALLS THAT ARE WITHIN OUR EAST PROPERTY BOUNDARY THERE. 
          SO WE ALSO WERE ABLE TO REDUCE THE PAVEMENT AND PARKING ON OUR ACTUAL SITE AND UTILIZE THOSE STALLS WITH THE AGREEMENT IN PLACE. 
          UM, TOWARDS OUR, OUR COUNT, WHICH THE REQUIRED CODE COUNT, UH, AMOUNT OF PARKING IS 63. 
          MCDONALD'S TYPICALLY ONLY NEEDS 45 TO 50. 
          SO THAT ALLOWED US TO USE THOSE 18 AND THEN PUT LESS ON OUR ACTUAL SITE. 
          SO THE MCDONALD'S CUSTOMS WILL BE ABLE TO PARK THERE AND JUST WALK ACROSS. 
          SO WE'RE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME IMPERVIOUS PAVEMENT THERE, UM, TO HELP WITH, WITH DRAINAGE ISSUES. 
          UM, BUT THE DRAINAGE IS PROPOSED TO MEET, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH IT DRAINS 
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FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          FROM THE REAR TO THE FRONT TOWARDS THE STATE HIGHWAY. 
          UM, AS YOU CAN SEE OF THE TWO PONDS ON SITE, THOSE ARE PRELIMINARILY DESIGNED TO MEET THE CITY, UH, VELASCO DRAIN DISTRICT, BRAZORIA DRAINAGE DISTRICT MANUAL AND T STOCKS REQUIREMENTS. 
          THINK TXDOT REQUIRES, IT'S LIKE THEY HAVE A NEW CODE THEY JUST PUT IN PLACE FOR HYDRAULICS WITHIN THE PAST YEAR. 
          IT'S LIKE 0.85 ACRE FEET OR IS A CERTAIN CALCULATION METHOD YOU HAVE TO RUN AND USE THE GRADE OF THE TWO. 
          BUT THIS REFLECTS, UM, MEETING THAT GRADE OF THE VOLUME. 
          UM, AS WELL AS I THINK WE HAVE, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLOOD PLAIN MITIGATION. 
          NOT MUCH THOUGH. 
          'CAUSE I THINK OUR SITE'S ROUGHLY AT THE, UM, THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. 
          SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ON TOP OF THE DETENTION VOLUME. 
          BUT, UM, OTHERWISE WE'RE PROPOSING ACCESS AS SHOWN. 
          UM, ONE DRIVE ON Y POND STREET AND ONE ON FM 2004 AS SHOWN. 
          THIS IS JUST FOR, UM, BEST CIRCULATION AND MANEUVERS FOR THE, THE CUSTOMERS IN THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. 
          UM, AND THEN IT WAS SHOWN THE SIDE LOAD DUMPSTER AND REQUIRED PARKING, UM, AS SHOWN. 
          SO, UM, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE. 
          NO, OTHERWISE WE'RE HERE PER THE CITY'S REQUEST TO DISCUSS FURTHER. 
          IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK. 
          APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          NICOLE, SALLY, I GOT MORE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO THIS SITE WE HAVE, IT'S A B ONE ZONING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. 
          JUST WE WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT WITH NEW HOPE RECENTLY, REDEVELOPING FAMILY FITNESS. 
          SO THOSE PARKING COUNTS WERE AVAILABLE FROM THAT DATA. 
          UM, I DO WANT TO POINT FIRST FOR TRANSPARENCY. 
          THE B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS, UM, HAS PERMITTED, USES DEFINING DRIVE-IN EATING PLACES AS ONE OF THE PERMITTED USES. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING THROUGH THIS. 
          THERE'S A REQUIREMENT IF IT'S WITHIN 60 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THERE. 
          RIGHT AROUND 70 FEET FROM THIS RED LOT LINE DOWN TO THAT PU RZ. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THE RED OAK SUBDIVISION, PU RZ. 
          SO THEY'RE DANCING ABOVE THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          UM MM-HMM . 
          AS YOU MENTIONED, THEY SHIFTED THE WHOLE BUILDING ITSELF FURTHER NORTH. 
          UM, OF COURSE THIS WILL BE TECH STOP PERMITTING. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANNA DANCE ON THIS ANYMORE. 
          UH, THERE WAS A LOT OF HISTORY THAT, HOW IS A MCDONALD'S A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS? THEY DON'T CLOSE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK. 
          WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY. 
          HOW IS MCDONALD'S A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS? THEY DON'T CLOSE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK, EIGHT O'CLOCK LIKE MOST NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES DO THEY STAY UP UNTIL MIDNIGHT? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I, THAT'S THE FIRST THING OFF THE BAT. 
          IT'S NOT NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          AND I'LL FIGHT THAT ONE BY DEFINITION. 
          ANY FAR AND WIDE? WELL, IN THE PAST, I GUESS I, I COULD JUST, UH, GO BY HISTORICAL, UH, PRECEDENCES IS THE FACT THAT THOSE TYPE OF, UH, UH, BUSINESS HAVE BEEN CONSIDERED BY THE, BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS B ONE. 
          AND THAT HAS BEEN A, JUST A PRACTICE THROUGH THE PAST. 
          SO, UH, NOBODY HAS EVER QUESTIONED THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I FITNESS CENTER NEVER CLOSED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          EXCUSE ME, THE FITNESS CENTER NEVER CLOSED AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. 
          NO. 
          MM, NO, THEY DID NOT. 
          UH, YEAH. 
          AND BECAUSE YEAH, YOU COME UP AND ADDRESS JUST REG COME UP. 
          I'LL JUST MAKE UP. 
          ALRIGHT, THANKS. 
          IF I CAN COME. 
          SURE. 
          SO REG  ACTUALLY THE PROPERTY OWNER. 
          THANK Y'ALL FOR HAVING US. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE B IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT RULE, WHICH WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A MCDONALD'S. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT, BUT IT, IT IS. 
          AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND, AND US PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND KNOWING WHAT IT COULDN'T AND COULDN'T BE, AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS ON THIS SITE THAT ARE PRETTY HEAVY, BUT THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH PART WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IS NOT PART OF IT. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT OTHER RESTRICTIONS ARE THERE FOR B ONE? SO THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT SHERRY HAD JUST MENTIONED. 
          I, AS FAR AS THERE'S A PURPOSE AND DESCRIPTION IN THE ORDINANCE, WHICH ACTUALLY I'LL PULL UP, I THINK I HAVE IT UP HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, SO SHE CAN SKIM, IS THAT BIG ENOUGH TO, OH, PROBABLY NOT. 
          ZOOM IN. 
          UM, I CAN READ IT. 
          A NEIGHBORHOOD SHOPPING ZONE WHEREIN RETAIL BUSINESSES OR SELECT SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS SUPPLY COMMODITIES OR SERVICES TO MEET THE DAILY NEEDS OF SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THEY'RE LOCATED. 
          USES WHICH ARE NOT NECESSARY TO SERVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUCH 
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AS INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS SUPPLY OR SERVICE FACILITIES SUCH AS THEATERS, MOTELS, OR WAREHOUSE STYLE RETAIL STORES. 
          AND AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE ZONE UNLESS BUILT PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST, 2000 B ONE. 
          NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES THAT WOULD BE HARMFUL TO OR WOULD ADVERSELY IMPACT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREAS OR FACILITIES WHICH ARE EITHER HAZARDOUS, NOXIOUS OR OFFENSIVE TO AN ORDINARY REASONABLE PERSON BECAUSE OF CONGESTED  TRAFFIC GENERATION OR EMISSION OF NOISE, VIBRATION, SMOKE, DUST, PARTICULATE MATTER, ODOR MATTER, HEAT, HUMIDITY, GLARE, REFUSE RADIATION OR OTHER OBJECTIONABLE ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THIS ZONE UNLESS BUILT PRIOR TO JANUARY 1ST, 2000. 
          SO THIS BUSINESSMAN THAT TALKS ABOUT, UM, POTENTIALLY HARMFUL OR OBJECTION CHARACTERISTICS OF CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT MAY BE MITIGATED BY THE INCLUSION OF ADDITIONAL DESIGN OR ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BASIS FOR EXERCISE AND JUDGMENT IN THE DETERMINATION OF POTENTIAL HARM OR ADVERSE IMPACT. 
          PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USES ARE LISTED BELOW AS WELL AS USE REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGN LIMITATIONS THAT SERVE TO PROTECT POTENTIAL HARM. 
          AND SO THIS SECTION DOWN HERE THAT DESCRIBES THE 60 FOOT, UM, ITEM, IT'S BEYOND THE 60 FOOT. 
          SO BASICALLY ALL OF 16 WE JUST KIND OF CROSSED OUT. 
          BUT IT DOES TALK ABOUT A LOT OF ITEMS IN HERE. 
          WHERE'S THAT 60 FOOT BASED OFF OF AGAIN? UM, THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY LINE. 
          AND CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO REAL QUICK? AND THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS THE RED LINE THERE? YES. 
          IT'S GOTTA BE BELOW THE ENTRANCE TO FITNESS CENTER. 
          THAT'S TO THE CHURCH. 
          THAT'S THE CHURCH IS THE CHURCH PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE? YEAH. 
          THIS IS THE CHURCH PROPERTY LINE. 
          WE HAVE THE SAME PROPERTY LINE. 
          OUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE IS THE, UM, THE CHURCH AS NORTH PROPERTY LINE. 
          SO IF YOU ACTUALLY WE COULD DO OVER HERE AS WELL. 
          IF YOU WANNA MEASURE, IT SHOULD BE 65 OR 70 OR SOMETHING. 
          SO THIS IS THE RED OAK COURT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, PURZ YON PLACE, SECTION THREE, PLACE ONE, ONE OF THE YON SUBDIVISIONS OVER HERE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE THE HIGHWAY HAS A VERY LARGE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND UM, SO THESE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL LOCATIONS. 
          UM, YOU SEE THIS RIGHT. 
          UM, BUT YEAH. 
          SO WHEN MEASURING THIS LINE PER PARTICULAR DOWN TO THIS LINE USING THE PLATTED DATA, IT'S 70, IT'S LIKE 60, 69, 70. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE PONS RIGHT OF WAY IS MORE THAN 60. 
          SO, SO THE NOXIOUS THING IS KIND OF A WILD CARD, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF, WE HAD THAT WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD COME IN HERE THOUGH INTERPRETATION PROBABLY SIDE WITH THAT. 
          AND ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY WE RECOMMENDED, UH, TO THE TEAM, TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO COME DOWN HERE BEFORE YOU IS BECAUSE IN THE PAST THAT HAS BEEN SORT OF A SENSITIVE, UH, IT WAS A SENSITIVE, UH, AREA BECAUSE OF THE, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT AROUND THERE. 
          AND UH, SO IN ORDER TO ERR IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE PROPER WAY, WE DECIDED TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU AT LEAST COME DOWN HERE AND LISTEN TO YOUR OPINION ON, ON THIS. 
          BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA COME BACK AT A, YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE WHEN THEY DO COME ACTUALLY FOR APPROVAL ON THIS PRELIMINARY, ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, UH, THERE IS AN ISSUE IS WHAT IS THE ISSUE ON THE, ON THE, UH, BATHROOM. 
          IT HAS TO HAVE A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE TYPE SITUATION THAT IF IT, IF IT MET 60 FEET, IF IT MET THE REQUIREMENTS, IF FOR EXAMPLE IF IT WAS 60 FOOT AND NOT 70 FOOT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME IN HERE AS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION. 
          BUT SINCE IT'S 70 FEET YEAH. 
          AND THEY PASS. 
          I'LL SAY ONE MORE THING THERE. 
          WHEN, WHEN THIS ORIGINALLY, CAN YOU BRING UP THE BIG MAP? UH, THE AERIAL? YEAH. 
          WE'RE JUST THE ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          SEE THIS ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT, SO WE, WE BOUGHT THIS IN THE, ORIGINALLY IT WAS ALL GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL RED OAK COURT. 
          OH, I'M SORRY, WHAT'S THAT? OH, OKAY. 
          ALL GONNA BE RESIDENTIAL THEN AT THAT TIME, IF Y'ALL REMEMBER, OR SOME, SOME OF Y'ALL WOULD, BEAVER WANTED TO DO FAMILY FITNESS, SO WE CARVED OUT THIS PART TO MAKE IT COMMERCIAL. 
          HIM DOING FAMILY FITNESS WITH THE UNKNOWN OF WHAT TO DO ON THIS LOT. 
          BUT WE KNEW EVENTUALLY WE WERE GONNA DO SOMETHING. 
          SO BUCKY'S ENDED UP BUYING THIS FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AND OWNED IT UP TILL 
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ABOUT A YEAR AGO WITH A BUNCH OF RESTRICTIONS ON IT. 
          BECAUSE OF THIS, WE BOUGHT THIS CORNER AND THE ONE BEHIND TARGET, UH, WITH A LOT OF RESTRICTIONS LIKE, YOU KNOW, PROTECTING THEIR BUCKIES DOWN HERE. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THESE DIMENSIONS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS LONG AND HARD ON THE VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY AND IT NEEDED TO BE SOMETHING LIKE WHAT WE'RE SEEING. 
          BUT IT, IT, UH, SO THO THOSE ALL THOSE THINGS WERE THOUGHT OUT AT THAT TIME OR HOPEFULLY WERE, SO THAT'S, AND IT IS TRUE, UH, WHAT MR. APP IS STATING THERE, BECAUSE I HAVE A WHOLE RECORD FULL OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WERE HAD BY PREVIOUS COMMISSIONS CONCERNING THE B ONE IN PROXIMITY TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA THERE. 
          AND THEY WENT TO ADD IN TO, TO, TO RESOLVE THE SITUATION. 
          THEY NEVER WERE ABLE TO COME INTO A GOOD CONCLUSION ON, ON WHAT, WHAT IS TOXIC OR WHAT IS NOT NOXIOUS OR WHAT IS THIS. 
          THEY NEVER COULD REALLY DEFINE THAT SITUATION. 
          BUT THEY DID BRING OUT IN THOSE DISCUSSIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, LIGHTING AS BEING AN ISSUE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN THIS IS BORDERLINE  AND YOU KNOW, WELL I THINK THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY IF ANY, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD YES. 
          WILL BE LIGHTING POLLUTION. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT WILL BE NOISE POLLUTION. 
          NOISE POLLUTION. 
          AND IT WILL BE THE SMELL OF FRENCH FRY POLLUTION. 
          SOME PEOPLE LIKE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE NOXIOUS , I AM ASSUMING ME. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY MADE ABOUT ASSUMPTIONS THAT THINGS LIKE SIGNAGE AND ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND ALL OF THESE THINGS CAN BE DONE TO LOOK AS CLOSE TO A B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE. 
          I DO NOT KNOW WHAT, IF ANYTHING CAN BE DONE. 
          I'M ASSUMING IN 2025 THERE'S SOME MITIGATION THINGS REGARDING THE SMELL OF FRENCH FRIES GOING THROUGH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU IF I SPENT $300,000 TO BE ON OR MORE THAN TO BE ON RED OAK COURT, I GUESS I KNEW THAT WAS B ONE BEHIND ME, BUT I NEVER WOULD'VE THOUGHT IT HAD BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT. 
          MUCH LESS A MCDONALD'S. 
          BUT I ALSO APPRECIATE WHERE REG IS COMING FROM THAT I USED TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          I'VE DRIVEN BY THAT VACANT LOT FOR 25 YEARS AND IT'S BEEN FOR A SALE, A NUMBER OF THEM. 
          THERE'S JUST NOT MUCH THAT CAN BE DONE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT A GOOD SOLUTION IS. 
          THE CHURCH PEOPLE MIGHT LIKE IT, OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT CARE. 
          UH, I GUESS BEFORE THIS GOES FORWARD, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T 'CAUSE OF THE SIZE OF IT, WE'RE HERE TO JUST TALK AND POSSIBLY TO GIVE SOME COVER REGARDING, BECAUSE Y'ALL LISTENED TO US. 
          IF SOMEBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT IT. 
          UH, BECAUSE IF IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S WITHIN THE DEFINITION OF B ONE AND IT'S LESS THAN TWO ACRES, UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD WANT IT TO BE BEHIND ME FOR SURE ON RED OAK COURT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP IT. 
          UH, I GUESS THEY COULD HAVE BOUGHT THE LOT FROM RICH'S PEOPLE, . 
          AND THAT WAS DISCUSSED ONE TIME TOO DURING THE DISCUSSIONS THAT BEAVER HAD WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL WAS THE FACT WELL IS IT, UH, THE COUNCIL ASKED WHETHER, I MEAN HE SAID IF THE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN BUYING THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. 
          YES. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT WAS PUT OUT THERE OF COURSE. 
          AND THERE WAS NO TAKERS AT THAT TIME. 
          IT'D BEEN AN EXPENSIVE PARK. 
          YES. 
          THE ADJECTIVE FOR TRAFFIC BASED, THE LAST LISTING PROCESS I SAW FOR IT EXPERIENCE THE, A ADJECTIVE FOR TRAFFIC. 
          THE ADJECTIVE FOR TRAFFIC IS AMBIGUOUS CONGESTION. 
          WHAT WAS THE, WHAT'S THE WORD IT SAID? UM, BASICALLY IF THE BUSINESS CONGESTED VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          PARDON? CONGESTED VEHICULAR TRAFFIC. 
          CONGESTED, YES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL IT'LL BE CONGESTED. 
          YEP. 
          IS THERE ANY GUIDANCE THERE ABOUT HOURS OPERATION? ANYTHING SUSAN? I DIDN'T SEE IT. 
          WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS, BUT THIS IS WITHIN 60 FOOT. 
          UM, SO IF IT WERE WITHIN 60 FOOT 
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OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA, THIS WOULD BE THE RESTRICTIONS. 
          5:00 AM TO 4:00 PM LOOKING AT LIKE IN THE WOODLANDS THERE'S MCDONALD'S AND FUD, RUCKERS AND GAS STATIONS TUCKED ALL UP INSIDE THOSE LITTLE BITTY SUBDIVISIONS AND DRIVING BY. 
          YOU HARDLY EVEN NOTICE IT. 
          EXCEPT LOOKING UP THE DRIVEWAY AND THEIR LITTLE MONUMENT SIGNS OUT FRONT THAT, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I DON'T WANT A MCDONALD'S IN MY BACKYARD EITHER. 
          BUT THERE'S, THERE'S, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN DO OR EVEN WANT TO DO TO ATTEMPT TO THROW A MONKEY WRENCH IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S WAS KIND OF THE, THE SUBDIVISION BUILT AROUND IT. 
          UH, REGGIE AND BEAVER HAD A PLAN FOR IT THAT A HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THINGS HAD CHANGED AND THE SUBDIVISION FINISHED OUT. 
          AND NOW THAT THE FIT FITNESS CENTER HAS SOLD, THAT PROPERTY IS NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THE FITNESS CENTER AND THEY'RE READY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT HOW THE WOODLANDS IS LAID OUT, IT IT, WITH THE PROPER SIGNAGE AND SCREENING ON YON AND THEN THE, THE BACKSIDE OF THE FITNESS CENTER PARKING LOT, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE MUCH OF A PROBLEM OTHER THAN MAYBE SOME LIGHTING ISSUES THAT CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF IN THEIR PRE-ENGINEERING AND MAYBE SOME FRENCH FRY ODOR ISSUES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THAT I AM SURE WITH TODAY'S NET TECHNOLOGY WITH THEIR, THEIR FILTERING SYSTEMS THAT CAN ALSO BE TAKEN CARE OF. 
          WHAT KIND OF SIGN WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED? THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED A FREESTANDING SYSTEM. 
          TALL. 
          WELL THAT WILL BE A A HUNDRED FEET, RIGHT? A HUNDRED FEET. 
          IS IT A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OR 18 FEET TALL? 18 FEET TALL. 
          A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET. 
          SO, UH, AND THE WOODLANDS DOESN'T ALLOW THAT. 
          NO, THEY'RE THEY'RE, THEY'RE LITTLE SHORT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          REALLY PRETTY BRICKED ROCK. 
          SO MY INTERPRETATION AND YOU KNOW, DISCUSSING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY IS THAT EVEN THOUGH IT IS ALLOWED, YOU STILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DEFINITION OF NOXIOUS AND TRAFFIC AND STUFF. 
          YES. 
          WHICH I THINK GIVES YOU LEEWAY TO ALSO PICK AND CHOOSE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED WITHIN THE 60 FEET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF YOU FEEL THAT OKAY. 
          THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE HARMED BY SOME OF THESE THINGS. 
          YOU COULD ASK MCDONALD'S TO MITIGATE IN SOME CASES WHAT YOU THINK IT MAY NOT BE THE AUTO, THE 60 IS AUTOMATIC, YOU'RE WITHIN 60, YOU HAVE TO DO IT. 
          IF IT'S OUT 60, YOU CAN STILL DETERMINE THAT IF YOU THINK THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS IS POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE SOME ADVERSE EFFECT, YOU COULD ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, SOMEHOW FOR THOSE TO BE, YOU KNOW, MITIGATED. 
          AND SO, SO IT COULD BE THE SOUND THAT YOU THINK, YOU KNOW, THE SOUND IS GOING TO SPILL OVER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT COULD BE LANDSCAPING. 
          IF YOU THINK THE SIGN IS TOO TALL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD 'CAUSE IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY, COULD YOU LOWER THE SIGN? ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I THINK YOU COULD ASK FOR MCDONALD'S TO CONSIDER THOSE THINGS. 
          WELL I THINK THE SIGN WOULD HAVE TO BE MINIMIZED GREATLY. 
          THAT'S LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          THEY WORK ON LIGHTING. 
          I MEAN MORE CONCERN FOR THE BACK NEIGHBORS AND ABSOLUTELY ANY MITIGATION THEY CAN DO WITH REGARD TO SMELL. 
          MY WORRY IS ALSO, I WAS LOOKING, YOU KNOW, AND I, I GUESS I DON'T GO BY THE MCDONALD'S THAT'S OVERALLS OFF OF UH, DIXIE DRIVE, BUT I GO TO THE ONE BY ANGLETON. 
          'CAUSE IT'S BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALL THE TIME. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC AT THOSE PLACES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THERE'S ALSO DELIVERY TRUCKS THAT GO IN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THERE'S ALSO GARBAGE, FRESH PRODUCE AND STUFF OR WHATEVER. 
          IT'S JUST THROWN AWAY. 
          GOES IN THEIR GARBAGE. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN WE EMPTY THESE COMMERCIAL THINGS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S KIND OF NOT ON A COMMERCIAL ROUTE, BUT NAUSEOUS IS NOT JUST FRENCH FRIES, IT'S THREE DAY OLD LETTUCE TOMATOES AND UN EATEN BURGERS AND CHICKEN NUGGETS. 
          UH, SO THERE'S JUST THINGS I'M ALL ABOUT BRINGING IN BUSINESSES, BRINGING IN TAX BASE TO THE CITY. 
          THAT IS A LOT THAT'S BEEN UNUSED. 
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IT FITS WITHIN WHAT THEY'RE, I COULD BE DONE AND THERE MAY BE SOME FAMILY MEMBERS ALONG THIS ROUTE THAT LIKE HAVING IT THERE BECAUSE OUR MCDONALD'S IN THE NORTH SIDE OF TOWN KIND OF SUCKS. 
          , UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN GIVE YOU GOOD SOLUTION, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT CONCERN ME AS A HOMEOWNER. 
          I MIGHT LIKE IT TO BE IN, AROUND A CORNER, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I WOULDN'T WANT LIGHT FLOODING MY BACKYARD. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT, BUT YET YOU NEED LIGHT FOR SECURITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT KIND OF LIGHTING SITUATION DOES THE CHURCH HAVE? THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT CALLED, IT'S JUST ON THE, THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN THE BOOKS THAT CALLS FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF FOOT CANDLE THAT CANNOT NOT ESCAPE THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. 
          IT SEEMS LIKE THEY JUST HAD IT ON THE WALLS OF THE EXTERIOR AROUND THE DIRECT, THEY HAD THE DIRECTIONAL LIGHTING AT THE ONES IN SUGARLAND. 
          CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT EVEN THEN, AND WE WOULD'VE TO MEET THAT LIGHTING CODE AND ALSO WHERE 70, 80 FEET TO THE NEAREST POINT OF PARKING. 
          SO THAT'D BE THE FIRST NEAREST LIGHTING PLUS MEETING THE, I THINK THE, UM, THE FOOT CANDLE CODE. 
          UM, THE SIGN CURRENTLY WE'RE JUST SHOWING ONE UP PERPENDICULAR TO, UH, FM 2004. 
          SO THE ONE WE'RE SHOWING NOW, THE WAY IT'S PLANNED OUT, YOU KNOW, IS FACING LIKE THAT. 
          SO NOT, UM, FACING PARALLEL TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          I GUESS IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTING, UM, HOW TALL IS THE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW REG, WHEN WE WERE RAISING OUR FAMILIES OVER IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE IT MM-HMM. 
          WITH OUR, WITH OUR, WITH OUR SONS BEING ABLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO EASY OUT TO GO SOMEWHERE FROM THERE. 
          BUT I'M JUST MORE WORRIED ABOUT YOU. 
          IT'S A THREE MINUTE DRIVE. 
          NOTHING. 
          HOW TALL WAS THAT? THAT SIDE OF TOWN? I THINK IT'S, IT SEEMED, UH, MAX 18 FEET AS TALL AS WE CAN GO, I THINK. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S, I HOPE YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T WANT YOU SURE DON'T BUMPING THE LIMITS. 
          OH, NO, NO, NO. 
          18 FOOT. 
          ASSUME THAT MCDONALD'S HAS A COOKIE CUTTER MODEL FOR LIKE THE WOODLANDS OR WHATEVER. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT FITS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          RIGHT. 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT RIGHT PILE. 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT, THEY, THEY HAVE LIKE SOME BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT. 
          OH YEAH. 
          SO THE NEW ONES, BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, OH, THE NEW BUILDINGS ARE YEAH. 
          MUCH MORE MODERNIZED. 
          THE NEW, I MEAN, HELL, THEY REMODELED THE ONE IN ANGLETON TO LOOK VERY NICE. 
          SURE. 
          UH, AND THAT'S WHEN IT GETS ME, MOST PEOPLE THAT GO THERE, WELL DRIVE THROUGH'S ALWAYS BUSY. 
          AND THE PICKUP FOR ORDERING BY APP IS ALWAYS BUSY. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT UH, HOURS OF OPERATIONS THESE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING ON HAVING THERE? I DO NOT. 
          IT'S SITE BY SITE BASED, BUT I COULD FIND OUT. 
          WELL, THEY'RE LIMITED TO 5:00 AM TO, IS THAT? NO, THAT'S WITHIN 60 FOOT. 
          60, UH, WITHIN 16 HOURS. 
          SO THEY COULD, THEY COULD RUN 24 HOURS. 
          BUT IF WE TAKE WHAT MODESTO SAID, WE CAN KICK IN THE 60 FOOT RULES. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH THAT KIND OF SOLVES A LOT OF OUR CONCERNS, DOESN'T IT? WE, YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE CAN MASSAGE IT AND, AND NO MASSAGING, MAKE IT REALLY FIT BECAUSE I KIND OF THINK A RESTAURANT IS NEEDED OVER IN, IN THIS AREA, BUT NOT JUST SHOVED OUT THERE BIG AND BOLD AND HUGE AND STICKING OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB, BUT MAKING IT, MAKING IT FIT INTO THE EDGE OF THIS SUBDIVISION AT WHICH HAPPENS TO BE MY SUBDIVISION. 
          NICOLE, DO YOU PULL UP THE 60 FOOT THINGS? LET'S GO THROUGH THOSE AND LET'S SEE IF THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF OUR CONCERNS. 
          WELL, IT'S GONNA KNOCK OUT  AS, UH, AS ALLOW, WELL, IT'LL BE A CONDITIONAL USE, I GUESS. 
          UH, SO I WISH I COULD MAKE THIS LARGER. 
          IS THERE A WAY TO DO THIS? CAN YOU CONTROL SCROLL AND MAKE IT, WHEN I DO THAT, IT LIKE GOES TO THE WRONG SECTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I CAN GO DOWN. 
          SO LIKE THE WORD DOC AND DOWNLOAD, ACTUALLY THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          YEAH. 
          LET ME JUST GRAB THIS. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO OF COURSE THE NUMBERING DIDN'T QUITE CATCH UP WITH US. 
          SO PERMITTED USES RESTAURANTS EXCLUDING DRIVE IN OR DRIVE THROUGH. 
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IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE FURTHER DOWN. 
          UM, THEY HAVE MAXIMUM HEIGHTS, LOT AREAS, FRONTAGE DEPTH, WHICH I WONDER IF THESE ARE CLOSE TO THOSE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          I DUNNO. 
          UM, SO HERE'S THE CONDITIONAL USE LISTED VEHICULAR DRIVE-IN OR DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT. 
          AND THEN THESE ARE THE DESIGN LIMITATIONS. 
          GARBAGE STORAGE SHALL BE SCREENED AND LOCATED NO CLOSER THAN 10 FEET FROM A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONE, WHICH WILL OF COURSE EXCEED THE 10 FEET. 
          UM, THE SCREENING, UH, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED AND 150 FEET TO THE DUMPSTER. 
          READ THAT TREE. 
          AND THEN THIS SECTION IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE ADDITIONAL DESIGN LIMITATIONS SCREENED IN VERSUS ENCLOSED THAT THAT DISTINCTION BY SCREENING, I THINK THEY MEAN THEY MEAN ENCLOSED, WHICH IS A FENCE THING THERE. 
          THEY ALWAYS DO A, WHICH IS A FENCED IN THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          I SEE THE TRASH ENCLOSED FENCE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A THAT'S A BRICK. 
          THEY ALWAYS WILL DO THAT TO CMU OR BRICK TO MATCH THE WHATEVER THE BUILDING IS. 
          THE, THE, THE MATERIAL. 
          DO YOU THINK YOU'D DO THAT? THEY DO. 
          I THINK THAT'S A GOOD DEAL. 
          I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT WILL BE ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A BIG CONCERN FROM A NEIGHBOR. 
          YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT. 
          A NEIGHBORHOOD YOU CAN'T CONTROL, YOU CAN'T CONTROL THAT. 
          I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THINGS IS, IS REALLY IS GONNA BE THE LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, A CAR GOING THROUGH A DRIVE THROUGH. 
          IS IT GOING THROUGH THE BACK OF THEIR FENCE IN THEIR, IN THEIR YARD AND STUFF. 
          YOU KNOW, CAN THAT BE MITIGATED WITH, YOU KNOW, THE SCREENING AND THE SOUND FROM THE SPEAKER, YOU KNOW, AND STUFF. 
          I THINK THOSE ARE THE, I THINK THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE ISSUES THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD GET FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, WHEN A RESTAURANT IS LIKE AND CAN THOSE BE MITIGATED, YOU KNOW, AND, AND AND DESIGNED AND ALSO THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLACEMENT OF THE DUMPSTER. 
          YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE THE GARBAGE TRUCK IS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ON THERE WE HAVE THAT WITH LAKEWOOD MANOR, UH, TODAY. 
          UH, IT'S SO CLOSE TO US, BUT IT'S A MUCH BIGGER, YOU KNOW, OPERATION, YOU KNOW, WITH THERE. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THINGS THAT I WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY CAME OUT WAS LIKE, WOULD WANT US TO SEE IF WE THOSE THINGS COULD BE MEDICATED. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK THE ISSUES WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ARE LIGHTING. 
          SURE. 
          AND LIGHT POLLUTION. 
          UH, NOBODY CAN CONTROL TRAFFIC. 
          AND WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE BIG ON CERTAIN DAYS. 
          I THINK THE CHURCH IS GONNA HAVE MORE TRAFFIC THAN FAMILY FITNESS EVER SAW? UH, THE UH, SOUND. 
          I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          THANK YOU MODESTO FOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL SOUND. 
          RIGHT. 
          FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, WELL WE ALSO HAVE MODESTO BEESO BILL LIMITS, UH, ON THE ORDINANCE OF WHETHER OR NOT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY ENFORCE THOSE. 
          I DUNNO. 
          BUT WE CAN ALWAYS GO BACK THROUGH THAT HOURS OF OPERATION AS GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          WHAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. 
          I NOTICED IN THERE FOR CONVENIENCE STORE IT SAID 24 HOURS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT DOESN'T SEEM WELL, THAT'S WHAT BUCKY'S IS ON THE, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT ABOUT MORE ABOUT WHERE I LIVE. 
          CLOSE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WE HAD ALL THE TREES. 
          RIGHT. 
          LOCKED THIS A 24 HOUR BUSINESS. 
          MENTION THIS IN MODESTO. 
          IT MAKES SENSE. 
          THESE GUYS DEAL WITH THIS ALL THE TIME ALL OVER THE WORLD. 
          MAYBE WE, Y'ALL AND I'M JUST AS SENSITIVE. 
          I LIVE OVER THERE TOO. 
          I WANT IT NICE AS CAN BE AND AS LESS OBTRUSIVE AS IT CAN BE. 
          NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. 
          UH, HOW ABOUT YOU SAY, THIS IS OUR CONCERN. 
          WE'RE THE CITY OF TREES, WE'RE LAKE JACKSON. 
          WE'RE BEAUTIFUL. 
          WHICH WE ARE. 
          AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. 
          IT'S B ONE, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE WORKING WITH Y'ALL, BUT COME INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING THEM, COME UP WITH WHAT YOU THINK. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT MAY BE BETTER THAN WHAT WE'RE EVEN ASKING FOR. 
          AND THEN WE'RE STILL THIS, THE COUNCIL'S STILL GOING TO ASK FOR, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. 
          LET THEM NOT ONLY SAY THIS, WE, WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT THIS. 
          IS THIS YOUR MCDONALD'S? HUH? IS THIS YOUR MCDONALD'S? NO. 
          . 
          NO, IT'S MY PROPERTY. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THAT'S I'M ASKING. 
          OH NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          I IS SIX TO 10 REASONABLE FOR US OR FOR THEM. 
          I WILL SAY THIS, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY GET COFFEE AT 5:00 AM A LOT OF PEOPLE GO GET COFFEE AND BREAKFAST ON THE WAY TO WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          AT 5:00 AM I IT WASN'T THE MORNING ONE THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. 
          IT'S THE MIDNIGHT STUFF THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT WITH KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS I JUST DON'T SEE THAT BENEFIT. 
          BENEFIT. 
          BUT THE 5:00 AM I MEAN THAT'S STANDARD BUSINESS FOR ANYBODY THAT SERVES FOOD IN THIS TOWN THAT WANTS TO STAY BUSINESS. 
          I WAS LESS WORRIED ABOUT MIDNIGHT. 
          I WAS MORE WORRIED ABOUT 24 HOURS. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I AGREE. 
          THE 24 HOURS IS MY BIGGEST FEAR OFF THE BAT. 
          HOW ARE, 
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HOW DO THESE, I GUESS I DON'T, I DON'T GO AROUND 12 MIDNIGHT TO THE MCDONALD'S. 
          WE KNOW YOU DON'T CHASE AROUND ANYMORE. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WHERE THEY OPERATE. 
          YOU LOOK, YOU LOOK WELL WHAT A BURGER IS MIDNIGHT. 
          ONE 2:00 AM IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LEFT DOWNTOWN. 
          IT'S DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY. 
          THE ONE IN THE HOBBY LOBBY PARKING LOT IS OUT INTO THE HIGHWAY AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          ANY, ANY, ANY GIVEN DAY. 
          NOT JUST FRIDAY, SATURDAY, ANY GIVEN DAY. 
          YOU GO, YOU GO TO THE MCDONALD'S ON DIXIE AT MIDNIGHT. 
          THAT PLACE HAS A DRIVE THROUGH THAT LEADS ALL THE WAY UP TO DIXIE WITH A FEW CARS HANGING OVER DEPENDING IF IT, HOW BUSY IT IS. 
          LOOKING AT THE SETUP ON THIS DRIVE THROUGH HERE, I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LEAD DRIVE THROUGH THAT'S GONNA EITHER FORCE PEOPLE INTO PARKING SPOTS OR FORCE PEOPLE INTO 2004. 
          MY CONCERN IS THIS. 
          'CAUSE THE WAY THEY HAVE THE DRIVE ACCESS OFF OF YON. 
          YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S IS NO EASY WAY TO GET IN. 
          IF YOU'RE WANTING TO GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'D HAVE TO CIRCLE THE BUILDING WHICH IS GONNA LEAD YOU TO THAT CLOCKWISE LONG LINE THAT'S LEADING UP TO 2004. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL IT GOES BOTH WAYS. 
          AND SO GIVEN ALL THE CAR ACCIDENTS WE'VE HAD ON 2004 LATELY, IT'S GONNA BE INTERESTING IF WE GET TO WHERE WE HAVE A BACKUP OF TRAFFIC FROM 2004, THE WAY IT'S SET UP, IT, IT'LL HELP I GUESS COMING OFF OF Y PUNT, IT'LL, UM, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU'RE STACKING, GOING BACK TOWARDS 2004, YOU, THE PROBLEM IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE STACKING THAT'S GONNA LEAD UP TO OUT HERE. 
          WELL THIS DRIVER YOU MAY HAVE GUYS COME IN HERE, TAKE A RIGHT AND COME UP HERE AND NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO GET IN LINE. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE PEOPLE STACKED UP THROUGH THERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHEN OUR WONDERFUL 1:00 AM BAR LEVER ARE GONNA HAVE THERE. 
          SO IT'S A PLAN FOR PEOPLE WHO WANNA GO THE DRIVE THROUGH TO COME AROUND THIS WAY. 
          YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN COME DOWN IN AND THEN ORDER THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THAT'S, IF PEOPLE COMING OFF OF LP POND AND WE DON'T HAVE A A A LINE STACKED UP. 
          THE PEOPLE COMING OFF OF 2004 ARE GONNA TAKE A RIGHT OFF 2004, TAKE A RIGHT AT THE PARKING LOT, TAKE A LEFT AT THE BUILDING TO GO INTO THE STACKING LANE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS, THIS IS MORE STACKING THAN WE TYPICALLY HAVE IN TERMS OF FROM THAT DRIVE THROUGH LANE BACK UNTIL YOU GET TO THE, INTO THE HIGHWAY THERE, A LOT OF TIMES THAT DRIVEWAY'S RIGHT. 
          WHERE THAT SEVEN ROW OF STALLS, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S IT. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE, HAVE 'EM LOOK AT YOUR MCDONALD'S ON DIXIE AND MAYBE A DIFFERENT FRANCHISE OWNER. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT THAT, THAT LITERALLY BACKS INTO DIXIE SURE. 
          ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          NOT A FRIDAY, SATURDAY ONLY BASIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          A REGULAR BASIS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE WILL GO, THEY'LL DRIVE OVER TO WA WHATABURGER, THEY'LL SEE WHATABURGERS 45 CARS DEEP AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE, THEY'LL TAKE YOU IN THE POP THE POPEYE'S LOT. 
          RIGHT. 
          COME BACK OVER AND THEY'LL JUMP INTO THE MCDONALD'S LINE AND NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A MCDONALD'S LINE IN DIXIE AND YOU HAVE A WHATABURGER LINE OUT INTO THE HIGHWAY. 
          THE FEEDER ROAD I SHOULD SAY. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAVE THE TEXT, HAVE YOU TALKED TO TEX ABOUT THIS ACCESS? ARE THEY PERMITTING IT OR? WE HAVE, BUT THEY'RE, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE FORMAL, UH, THE HOUSTON DISTRICT HAS A, IN CERTAIN AREA OFFICES HAVE A FORMAL PRELIMINARY ACCESS REQUEST. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, UH, PROCESS. 
          THEY'RE FUN AND EXCITING. 
           AND WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          GOD BLESS. 
          YES. 
          ONE DIFFERENCE FROM MCDONALD'S AND WHATABURGER IS YOU HAVE ANGULAR PARKING. 
          YES. 
          THAT SETS A DIRECTION. 
          YES. 
          IT'S JUST, THAT'S THEIR, IT'S JUST ONE WAY CIRCULATION TYPICALLY FOR THEIR WAY. 
          IT'S JUST NOT GONNA BE A 24 HOUR LOBBY. 
          THE LOBBY'S GONNA SHUT DOWN AT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK, LIKE THE REST OF 'EM DO. 
          24 HOUR LOBBIES ARE A THING OF THE PAST POST COVID. 
          I I REALLY THINK WA WHATABURGER'S THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS 24 HOUR LOBBY STILL. 
          YEAH. 
          NO. 
          NOBODY HAS 24 HOUR LOBBY ANYMORE. 
          AND I GET IT. 
          MONEY, YOU KNOW, STAFFING SAFETY TOO. 
          SAFETY BEING THE BIGGEST THING. 
          ESPECIALLY UP IN THE BIGGER TOWNS. 
          NOT SO MUCH DOWN HERE TO TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT. 
          TO HELP WITH THE STACKING THE TOP, UM, TWO TO FOUR STALLS AT THE TOP. 
          RIGHT. 
          THOSE ARE PULL FORWARD STALLS. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU ORDER OH YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. 
          GO TO 1, 2, 4. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU ORDER 48 HAMBURGERS WAY UP HERE. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          NO, I I AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          I I I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT WE SEE DOWN HERE. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND. 
          'CAUSE ONE, THERE IS A LIMITATION OF WHAT WE HAVE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE 45 MCDONALD'S AND 28 WHATABURGERS. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND 36 POPEYE'S DOWN HERE. 
          WE HAVE 2, 2, 1, 2, 1. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND YOU GET OUR EVER-GROWING BAR DISTRICT THAT LETS OUT AT ONE O'CLOCK, TWO O'CLOCK, EVERY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HITS UP ONE OF THESE STORES. 
          AND NOW THAT WONDERFUL SIDE IS GONNA BE A WHOLE NOTHER FIASCO. 
          SURE. 
          UNLESS THEY'RE COMING FROM ANGLETON. 
          UNLESS THEY'RE COMING FROM ANGLETON. 
          BUT ARE THESE OTHER FACILITIES, NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESSES? NO, I'M NOT. 
          I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT STRICTLY THE STACKING RIGHT NOW. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE'VE MOVED, MOVED PAST THAT. 
          IT'S GONNA BE A HOOT AND A HALF. 
          WELL I THINK THERE'S SO MUCH THAT COULD BE POSITIVE FROM IT. 
          YEP. 
          JUST THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME GOOD COMMITMENT ACCOMMODATIONS SURE. 
          FOR CERTAIN THINGS. 
          RECOGNIZING THAT IT'S GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          SURE. 
          AND RATHER AFFLUENT NEIGHBORHOOD SETBACKS ARE NOT, IT'S GOING IN THE MIDDLE OF THEY DEF NEIGHBORHOOD DEFINITELY WANNA ANGER THEIR NEIGHBORS OR CUSTOMERS THEY WANNA WORK WITH THE NEIGHBORS FOR SURE. 
          SO THEY WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          UM, I MEAN THE LIGHTING ORDINANCE WE HAVE TO MEET, I THINK, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WHY WE COULDN'T PUT, YOU KNOW, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE SAYS. 
          SOME SHRUBS OR THERE'S ALREADY TWO PRETTY LARGE TREES AT THE, THE BOOKENDS OF THE CORNERS OF THE CHURCH PARKING MM-HMM . 
          SO I DON'T SEE WHY WE COULDN'T 
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FILL THAT IN. 
          YOU KNOW, ANYTHING IN THE MIDDLE THERE WERE TREES, ANYTHING THEY COULD BLOCK OFF, YOU KNOW, TO SCREEN THOSE HOMES OVER THERE. 
          SURE. 
          UH, I THINK WE CAN ADD, FILL THAT IN, YOU KNOW, WITH TREES, UH, JUST TO MAKE IT ONE LINE OF TREES THERE ALONG THE BACKSIDE AND A MONUMENT SIGN INSTEAD OF 18 FOOT SIDE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO WE HAVE A FENCING REQUIREMENT AROUND A B ONE? NO. 
          SO AROUND POND, THERE'S A FENCE ALREADY AROUND THE PONDS. 
          YEAH. 
          AROUND ANY PONDS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I COULD, THEIR FENCE IS ALREADY IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          YEAH. 
          IS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. 
          BUT THE POND FENCING OFF THE POND COULD ACTUALLY HELP 'EM ON THE LIGHT POLLUTION FLIGHT TOO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          NO, I THINK WE'LL HAVE TO PUT AT LEAST A, AT LEAST A FOUR FOOT I THINK. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU, YOU HAVE TO PUT A FENCE. 
          BUT PUTTING A CHAIN LINK FENCE AND A CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH FILLERS IN RIGHT. 
          YOU BLOCKS SOME MORE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY, HEY GUYS, WE DO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SPEND THE EXTRA FIVE GRAND ON FILLERS AND WE CAN BE ABLE TO CO YOU KNOW, I CAN'T COVER UP MR 18 FOOT LIFT TRUCK. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT 80% OF THE VEHICLES COMING THROUGH WITH THIS FENCE HERE AND THIS FENCE HERE WITH THE FILLERS IN MM-HMM . 
          WOULD GIVE AN ABSOLUTE INCREASE AND ALSO PROBABLY BE A HELL OF A LOT CHEAPER THAN MAINTAINING A LOT MORE LANDSCAPING. 
          TRUE. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          IS THERE A TIME, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE OPEN CERTAIN TIMES AND RIGHT. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE THE ENGINEER, NOT MCDONALD'S, BUT IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE TIME THAT THEY, THAT TRUCKS COME IN AND MAKE DELIVERIES? NOPE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          , I'VE SEEN THEM, I KNOW IT'S SEEN AT MCDONALD'S AT ALL HOURS A DAY NIGHT, TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          EVEN, EVEN LIKE DURING COVID WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED AT TWO IN THE MORNING, THEY WERE STILL GETTING TRUCK DROP OFFS. 
          I THINK THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, KNOW HOW THEY ACTUALLY CONTROL. 
          SO, UH, PASSED DURING THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION WAS A LAW LIMITING A CITY'S ABILITY TO, UM, KEEP TRUCKS FROM, KEEP RESTAURANT TRUCKS FROM HAVING OVERNIGHT DELIVERIES. 
          SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. GILBERT, IS NO. 
          YES. 
          THEY, WE COULD NOT LIMIT THE, THE DELIVERY HOURS THAT YOU JUST LOVE AUSTIN. 
          CAN YOU, THEY'RE SO CONSERVATIVE, THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO CONTROL ANYTHING AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. 
          YOU GET THE SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL RESTRICTIONS. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THE LES. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOTATED. 
          IT'S TYPICALLY TWO DELIVERY TRUCKS A WEEK. 
          THEY TELL, YOU KNOW, ON AVERAGE, UM, YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE 48 TRUCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH, I HEARD ABOUT THE THAT'S NOT THE, AND THEN THEY TRY TO LOAD ACTUALLY ON THE, THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BUILDING. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S A RAMP UP THERE ON THE SIDE. 
          SO NOT IN THE BACK THERE. 
          THE LAYOUT OF THE SCHEMATIC IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT I GO BY IN ANGLETON. 
          IT IS IN TERMS OF CLOCKWISE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THINGS. 
          AND SO I, YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT, I KNOW WHERE THEY DO THE DELIVERIES AND THEY DO SOME, SOME DURING THE DAY, WHICH IS A BIG INCONVENIENCE. 
          'CAUSE IT BLOCKS RIGHT. 
          THEIR DRIVE-THROUGHS, WHICH DROPS BLOCKS THEIR PARKING LOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IT CREATES A MESS. 
          BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING BECAUSE INSIDE THE NEIGHBOR HEARING AIR BRAKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FROM 18 WHEELERS IS FUN. 
          EXCITING. 
          DETENTION PONDS HAVE TO BE FENCED IN. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE A SWIMMING POOL. 
          YOU DON'T WANT, IF IT'S DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS MORE THAN FOUR FEET. 
          DEPENDS ON HOW DEEP ONE, THE ONE AT LJI IS NOT. 
          DEPENDS. 
          THE ONE AT THE NEW TAX OFFICE IS NOT, DEPENDS ON DEPTH. 
          MORE THAN FOUR OR FIVE FEET TO STANDARD FOR USUALLY TWO EVERY FIVE FEET. 
          YOU WANT HAVE SOMEWHERE WHERE SOMEBODY WERE TO FALL IN, THEY'RE NOT FALLING. 
          YES. 
          AND EAT. 
          THEY'RE FALLING. 
          YEAH. 
          FIVE. 
          AND SO LIKE I'VE SEEN THE ONE AT ROBERT'S SCHOOL MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S, UH, CATTAILS. 
          OH YEAH. 
          ROLLING. 
          SO IT'S NOT A VERY  AESTHETIC THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S DOING ITS JOB PRETTY MUCH. 
          MY KIDS, WELL I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF A, A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS. 
          AND I SEE THIS ONE HAVE CONCRETE SLOPE PAVING AND THE BOTTOM WILL BE PROBABLY SIDE, BUT MCDONALD'S TYPICALLY TAKES CARE OF, MAINTAIN THEIR FACILITIES. 
          I'D SAY MORE THAN SOME OTHERS. 
          I, YEAH. 
          I DON'T WANNA DIRTY LOOKING, OVERGROWN STORE. 
          WHATEVER WE DO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE HAND WAVING. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE RUN INTO THAT BEFORE WHERE OH YEAH, WE'LL DO THIS AND THEY DON'T . 
          SO, UH, SURE. 
          UH, IF WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING, LET'S, MY SUGGESTION IS LET'S SAY THEY, THEY NEED TO ABIDE BY THE 60 FOOT UNLESS THEY STAY ON, UNLESS WE NEED AN EXCEPTION TO IT. 
          AND WE'LL DISCUSS THAT. 
          DO YOU WANT THESE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AS WELL? THERE'S, UM, LOOKING EARTH TONES. 
          NO. 
          YOU CAN'T ANY OF THAT. 
          CAN'T DO THAT. 
          NO, YOU CANNOT. 
          THE STATE LAW DOES THAT ALLOW NOT MY CONCERNS 
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ARE THE SIGN KEEPING SIGNED TO A MONUMENT. 
          WE DON'T WANT THE YELLOW LOOK LOW IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARD. 
          THE LIGHTS ALL DOWN. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT THE THE GAS STATION, THE CORNER OF DIXIE AND, UH, HORSE CREEK DRIVE ORDEAL. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, HOURS OPERATION. 
          IDEALLY IT'D BE NICE TO LIMIT THEM TO SOMETHING HOT. 
          24 HOURS. 
          24 HOURS. 
          AND UH, OKAY. 
          SO WE, WE CAN, WE CAN ENUMERATE ALL THE, AND THE SOUND THING THAT MODESTO BROUGHT, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH 5:00 AM TO MIDNIGHT FOR OPERATIONS. 
          I RECOGNIZE THEY MAY HAVE SOME EMPLOYEES THAT TRICKLE OUT ON EITHER END. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT I DON'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY MORE REASON FOR A 24 HOUR WHEN THEY GOT WHATABURGER DOWN THE ROAD. 
           AND, AND BLUNTLY AS A NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE OUT GETTING THEIR THERE BIG MAC AT 1:32 AM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          I'M NOT THRILLED AFTER 10:00 PM WELL, MODESTO'S THING ABOUT THE SPEAKER BOX, YOU GOTTA BE REALISTIC TOO EARLY FOR THE WAY PEOPLE LIVE. 
          NOW, WHETHER IT'S COMING BACK FROM A SOCCER GAME, A SOFTBALL GAME, WELL YOU CAN BRING ALL THESE ISSUES FOR THEM, UM, TO CONSIDER, UH, BEING THE GOOD NAME, BUT THAT THEY WERE THAT RIGHT. 
          AND, UH, LET THEM RESPOND TO ALL OF THOSE, UH, ITEMS THERE. 
          UH, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS GONNA ASK YOU IS, EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR YOU TO REVIEW THIS, UH, BUT YOU STILL HAVE THAT LEEWAY ACCORDING TO WHAT MOLES SAID IS TO DO YOU WISH TO HAVE THIS INCOME BEFORE YOU AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO QUANTIFY WHAT WE WANT 'EM TO DO. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN COME BACK WITH THEIR, UH, MODEL OF WHAT THEY THINK FIT WHAT WE SAID AND WE CAN SEE WHAT IT, IF IT THAT EVERYTHING CAN I, CAN I ASK ABOUT THE SIGNS? JUST IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEM. 
          IT'S, THE SIGN IS, UH, IT WILL BE ALMOST A FOOT OR MORE THAN THE FOOTBALL FIELD AWAY. 
          THREE OH FEET AWAY. 
          UP ON THE STATE HIGHWAY. 
          AND AGAIN, SO THE NEIGHBORS HERE, THEIR BACK FENCE, IT'LL BE PERPENDICULAR. 
          SO THE LIGHTING WILL BE, YOU KNOW, SHOOTING LEFT AND RIGHT DOWN THE HIGHWAY AND NOT, YOU KNOW, NOT BACK TOWARDS THE, UM, NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THE GOLDEN ARCHES IS A 360 LIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY, THE GOLDEN ARCHES IS A 360 LIGHT. 
          YOU CAN'T SAY IT'S A BI DIRECTION. 
          IT'S ALL THE WAY AROUND AND IT'S GONNA LIGHT UP THE SKY AND CLOUDS AND ORIENTATION OF THE M RIGHT. 
          . 
          THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THEY CAN DO WITH IT TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE ENDS, THE ENDS NOT LIT. 
          MONUMENT LIGHT WOULD BE, I WOULD INSIST ON AND THEY DO THAT. 
          THAT'S NO BIG DEAL. 
          THEY DON'T NEED SOME BIG SIGN UP THERE. 
          IT'S FOR IF THAT'S A DEAL BREAKER, THEN THEY NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          THAT'S PRETTY EASY. 
          I, I'VE GOT PEOPLE, I KNOW PEOPLE LIVING IN THERE AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO GET UP IN THE MORNING, GET TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO GO TO THE BATHROOM AND SEE THEIR BACKYARD LIT UP WITH A GLOBE. 
          YOU KNOW, , I DON'T THINK IT'LL, I MEAN IF WE PUT THOSE LINES OF TREES BACK THERE AND THEN IT'S WAY UP THERE. 
          300, 400 FEET AWAY AND IT'S FACING PERPENDICULAR LIKE THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT I, I'D HAVE TO, YEAH. 
          I'M NOT THE SELLING GUY. 
          I HAVE TO , I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THEM ON THE LIGHTING. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE DESIGN OF THAT OFF. 
          THERE'S A RESIDENCE RIGHT THERE ON YOUR, SEE THOSE TWO HOUSES THERE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'LL BE IN THEIR BACKYARD. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S UH, A HUNDRED FEET. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL IT COULD BE FURTHER DOWN TO THE HIGHWAY TOO THOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          CLOSER. 
          THE MOVING THING WOULD APPLY TO THE SIGN TOO, WOULDN'T IT? HUH? CLOSER TO THE CHURCH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE FLARE GOING OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT THERE. 
          SPEAKING OF IT, I GUESS EVERYBODY SAW THE ONE YESTERDAY SAME DAY? YES SIR. 
          DID THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THE LIGHT ON AFTER MIDNIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          SIGN? OH YEAH. 
          OH YES. 
          WELL, WHO ARE YOU ADVERTISING TO IF THERE'S NOBODY AT HOME, DO WE HAVE ONE? DO WE NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING ON THIS OR DO YOU THINK WE'VE GIVEN ENOUGH DONE? I THINK IT'S JUST PRESENTATION AND PROPOSED. 
          WELL YOU COULD JUST GIVE US GUIDANCE AND UH, WELL I THINK WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR ABOUT 45 MINUTES. 
          . 
          YEAH, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INFORMAL. 
          UH, ASK CAN YOU COME UP WITH RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, FORMAL THAT CAPTURES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          A FORMAL STATEMENT THAT CAPTURES WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO COME UP WITH THAT ONE TO BE HONEST. 
           OR SOMETHING THAT ANNA COULD WRITE DOWN THAT DOCUMENTS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. 
          FORMAL MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT WORD. 
          UH, I THINK THERE WILL BE BARTERING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ANYWAY. 
          SO GIVE CASEY SOMETHING TO GO BACK TO HIS PEOPLE WITH. 
          I'VE GOT SOME NOTES POST DISCOVERY AND PRESENTATION FOLLOWING INPUT FROM THE COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO DESIRES 
          [01:10:01]
FROM MCDONALD'S CORPORATION ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR PROJECT, ALONG WITH REPRESENTING A GOOD NEIGHBOR. 
          WE HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE LIGHTING CONSIDERATION, THE SIGN CONSIDERATION, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, CONSIDERATION SOUND AND, AND THE NEED FOR POTENTIAL SOUND CONSIDERATION. 
          I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HAS COVERED THE BASES THAT CONCERN US SPEAKING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENTED BACK WITH WHAT MCDONALD'S WOULD COME BACK TO. 
          ANY KIND OF MEDIATE OR MEETING POINT OF IN BETWEEN AND OR AGREEMENT OF ITEMS OF CONSIDERATION. 
          YOU WANNA MAKE THAT A MOTION? I DON'T THINK WE CAN. 
          SINCE IT'S NOT A PRELIMINARY PRESENTATION, DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH WHAT MATT SAID? SURE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HERE'S OUR GUIDANCE. 
          ALRIGHT SIR. 
          I DO WANNA MAKE A A A A NOTE THOUGH. 
          UH, MR. SERGEANT, YOU SAID IT WOULD GO TO CITY COUNCIL, THAT'S NOT UH, NO, IT DOES NOT GO TO CITY COUNCIL. 
          YEAH, THE DECISION WILL LIE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          IT DOESN'T GO TO THE COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THE, THE DECISION LIES WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. 
          YEP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT BEING SAID, CAVEAT, WE'D LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK . 
          YEAH, NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU. 
          IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU NO MATTER WHAT. 
          ROGER THAT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S TIME AND FEEDBACK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM ADMINISTRATOR 
          [7. ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF A REPLAT OF LOT 14 AND 14A OUT OF LOT 14 OF LAKE JACKSON  FARMS SUBDIVISION, A PART OF THE J.E. GROCE 5 LEAGUE GRANT, ABSTRACT NO. 66 AND A  PART OF THE S.F. AUSTIN FIVE LEAGUE GRANT, ABSTRACT 19, LOCATED AT 14 BAYOU RD.]
VIEW OF REFL OF LOT 14 AND 14 A OUT OF LOT 14 OF LAKE JACKSON FARM SUBDIVISION, A PART OF THE JE GROSS FIVE LEAGUE GRANT, ABSTRACT NUMBER 66 AND A PARK OF THE STEVE NIFF AUSTIN FIVE LEAGUE GRANT. 
          ABSTRACT 19. 
          LOCATED AT 14 BY U GROVE ROAD. 
          COULD YOU GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS RECORD? MY NAME'S DAKOTA. 
          CAMERON. 
          I GOT 2311 COUNTY ROAD 2 23 IN C. 
          YOU WANT TO PUT A MCDONALD'S HERE? NO , I'LL SELL 'EM SOME COWS. 
          BUT JUST EXPLAIN TO 'EM WHAT IT IS THAT YOU, MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 8.3 ACRES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND UH, WE TORE DOWN THE HOUSE THAT WAS THERE. 
          BUILT THEM A NEW ONE FOR WHATEVER REASON. 
          THEY BUILT BIGGER WHEN WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BUILD SMALLER, NOW THEY'RE GETTING OLDER AND THEY AIN'T GETTING YOUNGER. 
          SO I'D LIKE TO CUT OUT THAT FRONT TWO AND A HALF AND BUILD MY PARENTS A HOUSE SO THEY COULD BE RIGHT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I RECENTLY SOLD MY HOUSE. 
          I WAS 18, I SOLD IT AND NOW I CAN'T JUST RUN THROUGH A FEW YARDS AND GET TO 'EM. 
          SO BASICALLY I WANT TO PUT MY PARENTS IN THEIR FRONT YARD BUT STILL BE ABLE TO EACH HAVE THEIR OWN. 
          AND ISN'T THIS COUNTY ROAD, ROAD RIGHT OF AWAY STUFF ALL TAKEN CARE OF? THE ACCESS TJ? YES SIR. 
          IT'S RIGHT OFF OF BY OR BAYOU ROAD. 
          IT'S SHARED. 
          THE ROAD ACCESS WILL BE SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES OR WELL THAT SO THEY CAN HAVE THEIR OWN BECAUSE THEY HAVE BOTH ACCESS. 
          YEAH, THEY HAVE BOTH, BUT SO THAT'S THEIR NEW DRIVE. 
          AND RIGHT HERE I STILL HAVE THE OLD DRIVE IN CULVERTS AND ALL. 
          OKAY, SO, OKAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S NOW THERE'S NO ISSUES, RIGHT? NO, THIS IS . 
          THIS IS A SLAM DUNK COMPARED TO THE ALL THE REDRAWING LINES. 
          WELL DONE SIR. 
          THEY MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, AS FAR AS, UH, IT'S A MATTER OF JUST PUTTING A DEMISING LINE BETWEEN, UH, THE PROPERTIES THERE TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          THEY HAVE ACCESS, THEY HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO, UH, TO A PUBLIC ROADWAY. 
          THEY ALSO ARE, WELL THEY ARE REALLY, UH, GOVERNED BY THE COUNTY RECORD BY THE COUNTY, BOTH IN PERMITTING AND IN AND IN THE HEALTH SITUATION REGARDING SANITARY SEWER AND WATER. 
          SO IT'S NOT FOR OURS, IT'S NOT OUR, UH, PROBLEMS AT ALL WHATSOEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY A VERY, A VERY SIMPLE TYPE OF THE DAY. 
          THIS DID THEY SOME IN THEIR FILE ON THIS ONE? UH, NOT YET. 
          THIS IS, SO IT'S GOING FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEY WERE STILL MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE, TO THE ACTUAL PLAT JUST TO COMPLY WITH FORMAT. 
          UH, AND THAT, THAT'S ABOUT THE ONLY THING THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK NEXT TIME WITH THE FINALIZED VERSION OF THAT. 
          AND THIS IS PRIMARILY A, WHAT IS OUR AUTHORITY WITH IT BEING IN THE COUNTY ONLY AND NOT THE CITY? WELL OUR, OUR ONLY AUTHORITY IN UH, ETJ PROPERTIES, WHICH IS THIS IN THE ETJ YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS ONLY SUBDIVISION OF PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ON THAT PARTICULAR DEAL. 
          WE CAN ADDICTED DICTATE WHAT UH, LINE USE IT IS OR WHAT THEY DO WITH IT. 
          SO IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF SUB. 
          JEFF, YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOPE. 
          IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? 
          [01:15:01]
NO, NO PARTY ON NEED A MOTION MOVE TO ACCEPT ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF A REPL OF LOT 14 AND 14 A OUT OF LOT 14 OF THE LAKE JACKSON FARMS SUBDIVISION, A PART OF THE JE GROSS FIVE LEAGUE GRANT. 
          ABSTRACT NUMBER 66 AND PART OF THE SF AUSTIN FIVE LEAGUE GRANT. 
          ABSTRACT 19. 
          LOCATED AT 14 BY ROAD. 
          WE HAVE MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU DAKOTA. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          SEE Y'ALL NEXT. 
          MARK. 
          DON'T FORGET THAT THE FINAL IS STILL ON FOR NEXT TIME WHENEVER RANDY'S FINISHES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GONNA GO TO HIS OFFICE TOMORROW. 
          I GOT SOME MORE PROPERTY YOU GOTTA GO GET OUT FOR. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD ENOUGH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT ITEM, ADMINISTRATIVE AND FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT. 
          THE EXISTING PLANTATION VILLAGE PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AT THIS WAY AND EAST STATE HIGHWAY 3 32 FILED ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. 
          THIS WAY. 
          3 32 MANUEL. 
          OH WELL WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN A WHILE. 
          UH, SO THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE LAST PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED IN 2021. 
          UM, A WAY YOU COULD LOOK AT IT IS SOMEONE IN AS BILL THEIR, THE PREVIOUS PLAN HAS SHOWN A DRIVE THROUGH THAT WASN'T CONSTRUCTED. 
          SO THIS IS BRINGING THAT SITE UP TO THE CURRENT CONDITION BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT A NEW TENANT AS BILL OKAY. 
          UM, AT THE CORNER CLOSE TO DOW. 
          AND THEY ALSO HAVE, SINCE THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, UM, CREATED A SHARED ACCESS DRIVE AND SHARED ACCESS AGREEMENT WITH SOME PARKING ARRANGEMENTS WITH THE DOW PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. 
          UM, SO THIS SITE PROVIDES FOR SOME, UH, PAINTING FOR THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS TO THE OVERFLOW PARKING AND SHOWS WHERE PROPOSED, UH, RESTAURANT'S GOING TO BE IN BUILDING A. 
          WE ALSO HAVE THE CIVIL ENGINEER, UH, AVAILABLE HERE TO MIKE MIGUEL. 
          UM, YOU CAN SEE THIS HAS BEEN AMENDED SEVERAL TIMES. 
          WE WERE, UM, CAPTAIN THE . 
          OH, OH YEAH. 
          THEY'RE SHARING PARKING THE DEATH. 
          YEAH. 
          SHARING. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THE DIRECTLY WE WERE FIGHTING OVER LAST NIGHT. 
          I REMEMBER THAT NOW. 
          REMEMBER THAT? YEAH, I DO REMEMBER THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, I REMEMBER THAT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          MY NAME'S MIGUEL AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, TO WHAT NICOLE WAS SAYING, UH, THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR FOR PLANTATION VILLAGE. 
          UM, I DO LIKE TO THINK OF THIS MORE AS AN, AS-BUILT OF EVERYTHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FROM, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA SAY AROUND 2009, 20, 20 19 TILL TODAY WITH ONE CHANGE IS THAT THEY'RE ADDING A NEW RESTAURANT TO BUILDING A, UH, THIS LITTLE HATCHED AREA. 
          AND I THINK THIS POINTER IS WORKING. 
          UH, NOPE. 
          NO, IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          HERE YOU GO. 
          THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER, THIS ONE. 
          THERE WE GO. 
          IS THIS ONE WORKING? YES, IT'S, YEAH. 
          UH, THIS PORTION OF BUILDING A IS GONNA BE A NEW RESTAURANT CALLED HURRICANE GRILL. 
          UM, THEY'RE GONNA SERVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE A BAR, UH, WITH THEIR PRIMARY FOOD THAT THEY SERVE IS, UH, CHICKEN WINGS . 
          UM, THAT, THAT'S WHAT I KNOW. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, WHAT NICOLE WAS SAYING, , WE, UH, WE DO HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY NOW BETWEEN PLANTATION VILLAGE AND THE DOW PARKING LOT. 
          UM, IN AMENDMENT THREE, THERE WAS A PROPOSAL TO ADD A, KIND OF LIKE A PICKUP LANE BEHIND BUILDING C RIGHT. 
          THAT WAS LISTED AS OPTIONAL IN AMENDMENT THREE. 
          THE OWNER DIDN'T FOLLOW UP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT. 
          UH, WE DID ADD THIS DRIVE THROUGH LANE ON THE SIDE OF BUILDING C AND FOR OTHER CHANGES THAT, UM, WE DIDN'T ACCOUNT FOR IN THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS. 
          RIGHT HERE AT THE FRONT OF THE PRIOR, THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF CONCRETE HERE. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE MAILBOX PAD IS FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST THE POST OFFICE TO COME AND DROP OFF MAIL FOR THE BUILDINGS . 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, ME AND YOU KNOW, BAKER AND LAWSON, WE WALKED THE PARKING LOT. 
          WE, WE, WE WENT AND RECONFIRMED ALL THE PARKING SPACES. 
          UM, WE JUST WANTED TO FOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO JUST BE ACCURATE TO WHAT WE HAVE TO TODAY'S DATE. 
          YOU THINK? SO I WANTED NICOLE, I THINK MIGUEL COVERED IT PRETTY WELL. 
          UM, 
          [01:20:02]
THE SHOPPING CENTER HAS 283 PARKING SPACES ON SITE AND THEN 31 AVAILABLE AT DOW, WHICH TOTALS THREE 14, WHICH IS MORE THAN THEIR 2 85 REQUIRED. 
          UM, CONSIDERABLY MORE. 
          UH, THE, THEY ADDED THE SIGN TO INDICATE TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE NERVOUS TO USE A OVER, YOU KNOW, OVERFLOW PARK NAME THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO, UM, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT WITH. 
          AND WHAT KIND OF AGREEMENT IS THAT WITH DOW? IS IT THAT THIS, THIS IS A RECORDED EASEMENT FOR THE PARKING SPACES. 
          OH. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY, I MEAN THE DOW'S NOT THE LANDLORD, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          AND IT'S, IT WAS WITH THE LANDLORD. 
          I'M PRETTY SURE I'M IMPRESSED WITH YOU. 
          I HADN'T BEEN ON A SINGLE MISTAKE IN THE DRAWING ANYWHERE THAT  ONE, UH, THING WE STARTED DOING, UM, BESIDES WALKING OUT AND ACTUALLY COUNTING PARKING SPACES, UH, WE UH, WE NOW HAVE NEAR MAP AS A RESOURCE AND ONE THING WE USE IT FOR IS TRACING OUT PARKING LOTS. 
          AND IT'S REALLY GREAT ABOUT GETTING THE EXACT LOCATION WHERE ALL THE PAINT STRIPES ARE AT. 
          SO IT, IT HELPS. 
          I KNOW THE MISSPELLED WORD . 
          WELL, WELL YOU SEE WHO'S HERE NOWADAYS 
          [8. ADMINISTRATIVE AND FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN  AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING PLANTATION VILLAGE PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER AT THIS WAY &  E SH 332 FILED ON OCTOBER 7, 2025]
DISAPPEAR. 
          IT'S THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. 
          SO WE'VE CAUGHT ALL THE ERRORS FROM THE PREVIOUS THREE. 
          I FEEL LIKE DOESN A FEEL IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE. 
          YEAH, THANK YOU. 
          WOW. 
          IS THAT DENNY'S? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW WHERE I'M AT NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S DAVIS. 
          HONESTLY, I FORGOT ABOUT THIS. 
          THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN AND YEAH, WE INCLUDE THIS ALL AS ONE ITEM. 
          UM, FOLLOWING WHAT HAD BEEN DONE IN 2021 FOR UPDATES OF THIS NATURE. 
          IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME. 
          GOOD, CONCISE. 
          UM, SO SIMILARLY THAT . 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, UH, THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE SITE WAS TO ALWAYS HAVE A MINIMUM OF 24 TREES. 
          UM, IN THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS THROUGH AMENDMENT ONE TO AMENDMENT THREE, UH, THE OWNER HAD PLACED THE TOTAL TREE COUNT REQUIRED AS 46, WHICH IS MUCH LARGER THAN THE 24 REQUIRED BY THE CITY. 
          UH, THERE WAS SOME SPECIAL LANGUAGE IN AMENDMENT THREE AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THESE NEW LANDSCAPE ISLANDS RIGHT HERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, THESE FIVE MM-HMM . 
          UH, IN THAT AMENDMENT IT STATED THAT THE OWNER WOULD PLANT EITHER ONE LARGE TREE OR TWO SMALL TREES IN THOSE ISLANDS. 
          UH, GENE WARLAND WENT AND HE PLANTED LARGE TREES IN THESE ISLANDS. 
          THEY'RE PALM TREES. 
          UM, SO IN THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENTS, THE TREE COUNT REQUIRED WAS 46 BUT HAD A, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CAVEAT IT WOULD BE 41 IF HE PLANTED THOSE LARGE TREES IS, WHICH IS WHAT HE DID. 
          UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I KNOW HE HAS TALKED TO YOU BEFORE ABOUT SOME TREES THAT HE HAD TO TAKE OUT JUST BECAUSE OF CERTAIN SITUATIONS. 
          LIKE IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE ON NEXT TO BUILDING A, UH, THERE WAS THREE TREES THAT WERE GROWING INTO HIS SANITARY SEWER PIPE. 
          HE ACTUALLY CAME TO THE BOARD TO TALK ABOUT REMOVING THOSE AND REPLACING THEM WITH TREES AS WELL. 
          UM, HE'S DONE THAT. 
          UM, WHAT ELSE IS THERE TOO? HE REPLENISHING FROM THAT WERE LOST OVER HERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, ON THE, THIS SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, DURING THE LAST WINDSTORM, HE LOST THESE TWO TREES RIGHT HERE. 
          UH, HE'S GOING TO REPLANT THOSE WITH OAK TREES. 
          UH, ALONG THE FRONTAGE HERE, HE'S LOST SEVERAL SHRUBS. 
          HE'S GOING TO REPLANT THOSE NEW SHRUBS WITH THIS, UH, NEW AMENDMENT. 
          JEFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DO NOT. 
          ERIC? NO SIR. 
          NOT HIM. 
          NOTHING. 
          UM, NICOLE, I KNOW I BROUGHT MY LAWYERS. 
          ARE THOSE GETTING SIGNED TODAY? IMPRESSED THEY MAKE THAT MOTION. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. 
          I MAKE A MOTION AND WE APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND FINE REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE SIDE OF AND LANDSCAPE PLAN, AMENDMENT OF THE EXISTING PLANTATION, UH, VILLAGE, UH, PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER 
          [01:25:01]
AT THIS WAY AND EAST, UH, STATE HIGHWAY 3 32 FILED ON OCTOBER 7TH, 2025. 
          MOTION A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MIGUEL. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          I DID FIND A GRAMMAR ISSUE, SO, OH NO, . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          HAVE TO FIND SOMETHING. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          UPDATE ON 
          [9. UPDATE ON APPROVED PROJECTS BY PLANNERS]
APPROVED PROJECTS BY PLANTERS. 
          ANYTIME. 
          YES SIR. 
          SO YOU GOT EVERYTHING. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL GO OVER IT. 
          THERE'S A FEW LITTLE PROJECTS THAT HAVE SOME MINOR UPDATES BECAUSE OF, UH, THE NEW REQUIREMENTS. 
          WE HAVE TO GET THESE UPDATES DONE, UH, PRETTY EARLY. 
          SO THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW SMALL CHANGES. 
          NOT A LOT. 
          THAT'S, EVERYBODY'S MOVING. 
          THE WEATHER'S GOOD AND EVERYBODY'S TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S RUNNING BEHIND. 
          DID YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? IS THE RASCO WORKING ALL RIGHT OR? SO RASCO IS STILL AN ISSUE FOR OUR PEOPLE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE SERVICE CENTER AND THE SEWER PLANT. 
          THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR WORKING HOURS, UH, UP THEY BUMPED IT UP SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO SIT AND WAIT FOR TRAFFIC. 
          UM, THEY'RE GETTING OUT FASTER BECAUSE THEY'RE STARTING LATER. 
          UM, BUT IT'S STILL, IT'S STILL AN ISSUE FOR THEM. 
          BUT THE PARENTS HAVE SEEMED TO HAVE TAKEN TO IT AND THEY'VE GOTTEN KIND OF GOTTEN USED TO IT. 
          THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THOSE LINES REALLY FAST AND DROPPING KIDS OFF QUICKLY. 
          BUT YEAH, THE TRAFFIC IS STILL GETTING CONGESTED OVER AT CAN LANE AND, AND UH, MEDICAL DRIVE BECAUSE OF THE STOP SIGN HAVING TO WAIT FOR THE STOP SIGN AND GET PEOPLE ACROSS THEIRS. 
          IT JUST TAKES A WHILE. 
          UM, AND BACK THE SIGN THAT , OH YEAH, THERE, THERE WAS A SIGN THAT, THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED LAST TIME, RIGHT? THAT NO LEFT TURN. 
          THEY DID COVER THAT UP FOR NOW UNTIL THAT ALL WORKS ITSELF OUT AND THEN THEY'LL END UP REMOVING THAT SIGN LATER. 
          THAT WAS A SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE ENGINEER OR RECOMMENDED BY THE ENGINEER APPROVED BY US. 
          AND SO THEY DID INSTALL IT. 
          UM, THE SCHOOL'S THE ONE THAT DECIDED TO DO THE OTHER FLOW, UH, TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS. 
          SO WE JUST COVERED IT UP FOR NOW SO THAT IT'S NOT AN ISSUE AND WE'RE WAITING FOR THEM TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH THEIR FINAL WAS, I CONFUSED THAT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO GO, UH, CLOCKWISE AROUND RASCO. 
          IT VERY MUCH WAS. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE ENGINEER RECOMMENDED. 
          WE FLAGGED IT AS A MATTER OF FACT AND MADE SURE THAT THEY RECOGNIZED THAT THAT'S HOW THE TRAFFIC NEEDED TO GO. 
          IT'S THE SCHOOL THAT CAME UP WITH THIS ALTERNATE PLAN AND THEY, THAT'S BETTER INSTITUTED IT. 
          AND, AND I MEAN IT'S WORKING WELL FOR THE PARENTS. 
          IT'S NOT WORKING OUT SO WELL FOR US ON OUR END. 
          BUT, UM, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER GATE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FACILITY. 
          SO IF WORSE COMES TO WORSE WE'LL JUST START CUTTING THROUGH THE NEW, UH, POLICE, UH, STORAGE YARD OVER THERE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE WRECK CENTER DURING THOSE HOURS, CAN THEY GO LEFT IN FRONT OF THE GRECO OR ARE THEY BLOCKED? IT'S BLOCKED. 
          THEY CAN, IF THEY INSIST TO GO LEFT. 
          UH, MOST PEOPLE JUST MAKE THE RIGHT BECAUSE IT, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT WHOLE MESS. 
          UH OKAY. 
          BUT YES, THE, OUR STAFF, WHEN THEY DO HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE LEFT, THEY WILL MOVE THOSE CONES FOR US AND, AND LET US GO THROUGH. 
          AND I'VE SEEN OTHER VEHICLES DO IT AS WELL. 
          THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ENCOURAGE ALL THE PARENTS TO USE THE OTHER CIRCULATION AND UM MM-HMM . 
          SO THEY KIND OF BLOCK IT AND, BUT WHEN PEOPLE INSIST ON GOING BY, THEY, THEY DO ALLOW 'EM TO GO BY. 
          I DROVE BY THAT ENTRANCE THIS MORNING JUST BY CHANCE GOING AND DID BLOOD WORK AND IT LOOKED LIKE IT WASN'T VERY CONGESTED AT ALL AS FAR AS THE END. 
          YEAH, CORRECT. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THE OUT. 
          YEAH, IT'S THAT OUT OVER ON CANADA THAT GIVES US A PROBLEM. 
          BUT, UM, IT'S EASING UP, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF PARENTS DO DROP OFF FOR THE FIRST WEEK OR TWO. 
          UH, SO IT WAS EXTRA CONGESTED FOR THOSE FIRST COUPLE WEEKS. 
          PLUS THE PARENTS ARE GETTING USED TO THE CIRCULATION AND NOBODY'S GOING, TRYING TO COME IN THE WRONG WAY AND HAVING TO TURN AROUND AND GO ALL THE WAY BACK AROUND AGAIN. 
          SO, UH, THINGS HAVE IMPROVED A LITTLE BIT AS FAR AS THE CIRCULATION GOES. 
          MATT, ANY QUESTIONS? READY? MY FAVORITE APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND BUCKY'S AND THEIR NEED TO FINISH THEIR BUFFERING ZONE BETWEEN THEM AND THE HOMES. 
          YEAH, SO THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR, THEIR REVISED LANDSCAPE PLAN. 
          THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED SINCE THIS. 
          WE HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO IT THAT WELL, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES GONE AND UH, WE JUST NEED TO VERIFY EVERYTHING THAT'S ON THEIR PLAN AND THEN IT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION APPROVAL, ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          DISCUSSION. 
          UM, YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TREES THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH. 
          CONSTRUCTION STORMS, FREEZES AND EVERYTHING 
          [01:30:01]
ELSE THAT'S HAPPENED OVER THE LAST HOWEVER MANY YEARS NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          . 
          UM, SO, UH, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANYTHING PARTICULAR? ANYTHING? ALRIGHT, SO THERE'S ONLY A FEW THINGS THAT THE CHAVA SUBDIVISION, THE GAS STATION WE DID GET THE, THE UTILITY SERVICES CONNECTED. 
          THEY DO HAVE A WATER SERVICE. 
          THEY DID GET THEIR FUEL TANK IN AND THEY ARE NOW BRINGING WATER IN TO FILL IT UP TO KEEP IT FROM FLOATING. 
          THAT WAS, YEAH. 
          DID DID THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE WATER? THEY'RE PULLING OUT FIRE HYDRANT OVER THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THEY DO. 
          UH, OUR UTILITY DEPARTMENT HAS GOT THAT UNDER CONTROL. 
          COOL. 
          UM, THE ELITE CROSSING DEVELOPMENT HERE ON CENTER WAY, THE, UH, WATER AND FIRE LINES DID PASS THEIR PRESSURE TEST. 
          NOW THEY'RE MOVING ON TO DOING THE TAPS AND SETTING THEIR BACKFLOW PREVENTERS AND THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          UM, THE ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY, THE WINDSTORM INSPECTOR DID COME OUT, LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. 
          HE'S RECALCULATING SOME OF THE MATERIALS, UH, THAT WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          WE'VE GOT A, UH, OUR OWN WINDSTORM ENGINEER, UH, HIRED AND HE'S REVIEWING THEIR WINDSTORM ENGINEERS CALCULATIONS, MAKING SURE THAT HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH EVERYTHING TO GIVE US A RECOMMENDATION TO ACCEPT IT. 
          AND THEN WE'LL SET UP A SCHEDULE FOR WINDSTORM INSPECTIONS AND WE'LL KEEP THAT PROJECT ROLLING ON. 
          UM, WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT RASCO, THE TRAFFIC'S A LITTLE BETTER. 
          UH, AT LEAST THE TRAFFIC FLOW AND TAKE FIVE HAS RECEIVED A PERMIT. 
          WE HAVE THE FINAL PLANS. 
          THEY WANT A STAMP COPY OF THE NEWEST PLANS THAT THEY SENT. 
          'CAUSE THE SYBIL AND THE, THE BUILDING WEREN'T MARRIED AT THE TIME WHEN THEY STAMPED IT. 
          UM, SO THEY WANT TO GET A, A GOOD CLEAN STAMP COPY TO GIVE TO THEIR CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO MISTAKES ON WHAT HE'S DOING. 
          SO THAT'S IT. 
          THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT'S CHANGED SINCE WE WROTE THIS. 
          EVERYBODY'S STILL WORKING. 
          WELL, VERY GOOD. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          YES SIR. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SIGN. 
          YES, WE DO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          NEXT 
          [11. SET NEXT MEETING DATE]
MEETING. 
          NO, I'M, WHAT'S OUR NEXT DATE? UM, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER THE FOURTH. 
          NOVEMBER THE FOURTH ELECTION DAY. 
          YOU GONNA BE HERE NOVEMBER THE FOURTH? I SHOULD BE, WE'LL BE HERE. 
          I I LIKE YOUR SIGNATURE TOO. 
          11. 
          CHECK. 
          I GOT SOME CLASSES COMING UP. 
          HOW ABOUT WE TIE YOUR SHOES? OH YEAH. 
          I'LL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS GOD AWFUL TRIAL. 
          DOES THAT MEAN YOU WANT ME TO MAKE IT? NO, I'LL MAKE IT. 
          I'LL BE LOOKING FOR AN ESCAPE. 
          . 
          ALRIGHT. 
          MEETING'S ADJOURNED. 
          THANK Y'ALL. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          UH.
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