* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MONDAY, MARCH 2ND, 2026 REGULAR SESSION OF THE LAKE JACKSON CITY COUNCIL AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS. WE'LL BEGIN, UH, THIS EVENING BY, WITH PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, LED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, COUNCILMAN, UH, HANYA OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC FOR ION ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE. LIBERTY, JUSTICE STATE INVOCATION WILL BE, UH, GIVEN BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. PRAY. DEAR HEAVEN, ME. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THIS EVENING. AND AS OUR MEETING, UH, CONTINUES AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, WE ASK FOR YOU, GIVE US THE STRENGTH, WISDOM, COURAGE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT WE FEEL IN BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS AND THAT OF OUR CITY. WE ASK THAT YOU BE WITH OUR FOLKS WITH A FIRE POLICE, ENT, OUR MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES, AND BE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. WE HEAD HOME WHEN WE'RE DONE IN YOUR NAME. WE PRO I. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. UH, WE HAVE NO PRESENTATIONS. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VISITORS' COMMENTS. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE ANY MEMBER, ANYONE IN ATTENDANCE TONIGHT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM, UH, THAT IS NOT ON, UH, THE CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR AGENDA. IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL ON ANY ITEM? NOT SEEING ANY WILL GO TO, UH, DECLARATION OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL TO DECLARE IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA OR REGULAR AGENDA. DOES ANYONE NEED TO DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? [CONSENT AGENDA] NOT HEARING ANY WILL GO FORWARD WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED AS ANY MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL. LIKE TO REMOVE ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED, UH, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, HEARING ANY, I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. MR. MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL COUNCILMAN UH, SHANYA, AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? [1. Discuss and consider the request for disannexation of McElya SD (A0066 J E Groce) Lot Reserve Acres 16.79, which is at the far western end of County Road 698 – Judith McElya and Russell McElya] GO TO REGULAR AGENDA ITEM ONE, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR DA ANNEXATION, UH, OF, UH, SORRY IF I SAID THIS WRONG, MC, MCKAYLA, UH, LOT RESERVE, UH, ACRES, UH, 16.79, WHICH IS AT THE FAR WESTERN END OF COUNTY ROAD, UH, 6 98. DO WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVE RESIDENT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT IT? NEED TO COME BACK? I'LL BE HAPPY TO, I'D HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. MODESTO, DO YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS OR, UH, VERY QUICK YES. OR THE DETAILS ON IT, I GUESS. UH, CAN YOU BRING UP, UH, THE MAP? WHERE IS 6 9 8? THIS PROPERTY WAS, UH, FROM OUR RECORDS, UM, AND FROM THE RECORDS ARE SENT TO US WAS PROBABLY, UH, ANNEX SOMEWHERE AROUND 1973. UM, AND SINCE THAT TIME, UH, WE'VE NOT, UH, EXTENDED ANY INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, TO THAT AREA IN ABOUT, UH, I'LL HAVE THE DATE WRONG. UH, LIKE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, WE, UH, JUST ANNEXED A LOT THAT WAS ADJOINING BITE FROM MR. UH, UH, LASAGNA, UH, FOR WHEN WE RECEIVED A, A SIMILAR REQUEST. WE DID SERVICE THAT LOT AT ONE TIME WHEN THERE WAS A CITY EMPLOYEE THAT LIVED ON IT. AND WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. I'M SORRY. AND THEN DID, YOU KNOW, LIMITED, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE PICKUP, UM, UH, IN THAT AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, NO EXTENDED UTILITIES OUT TO THE SITE. SO AGAIN, THIS REQUEST THAT WE RECEIVED IS TO DIS ANNEX, UH, THIS SITE, UH, WE RECEIVE APPROXIMATELY $3 AND 3 CENTS, UH, IN CITY TAXES. AND WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS, YOU KNOW, TO EXTEND ANY UTILITIES YOU TO THIS, UH, TO THIS AREA. SO STAFF, UH, HAS NO, UM, DISAGREEMENT WITH DESCEND DESCENDING THE SITE. WHERE AGAIN, IS THIS LOCATED? ALL I CAN SEE IS GREEN AND, UH, RED BOX. YEAH. DO YOU HAVE IT ON GOOGLE MAPS OR A MAP OF IT? OF THE AREA? IT'S KIND OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY FROM THE AIRPORT. IT'S THAT FAR UP. IT'S ON OAK, LUKE ROAD, [00:05:01] YOU KNOW WHERE THE, IT'S JUST NOT THE, IT IT'S JUST SOUTH OF 2, 2 20. IF YOU LEAVE HERE GOING UP TO WELL OLD ANGLETON ROAD, IF YOU GO UP OLD ANGLETON ROAD, YOU GO UP OLD ANGLETON ROAD, JUST BEFORE YOU GET TO THE RAILROAD TRACK, IT'LL BE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. YOU TURN TO GO BACK IN THAT WAY OVER THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, WHY IS THE, THE WATER OUTLINED SEPARATELY FROM THE REST OF THE PROPERTY? AT, AT THE TIME THAT WE PETITIONED FOR THE, IT WAS A PARTITION OF A 20 ACRE TRACK. WHEN MY DAD PASSED AWAY, THE HOUSE WAS ON THE THREE ACRE TRACK MM-HMM . AND IN ORDER TO AGREE TO THE PARTITION, THEY REQUIRED A RESERVE FOR DRAINAGE AS IT WENT THROUGH THE ANGLETON DRAINAGE DISTRICT. SO THAT IS A DRAINAGE RESERVE PER THE A D AND D APPROVAL OF THE PARTITION. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, BUT IT IS A RESERVE. OKAY. IS THERE, IF YOU GO TO THE END OF COUNTY ROAD 6 98, IT'S KEEP YOUR POINTER GO DIRECTLY SOUTH. WELL, YOU MOVED IT 6 98 YOU SAID? YES, MA'AM. THERE YOU GO. NOW ON THE FAR LEFT, YOU SEE THAT, THAT, SO THERE'S YOUR, THERE YOU GO. RIGHT THERE. YES MA'AM. THAT'S IT. WHICH END OF THE RIGHT THERE. OKAY. THAT'S OFF THE OLD ANGLETON ROAD. MM-HMM . YES SIR. BUT HOW WE END UP WITH IT IS WE, WE GO UP, WE GO DOWN THROUGH HERE, THIS IS 2 88 AND THIS IS OLD ANGLETON ROAD, OUR PROPERTY. GO BACK DOWN THROUGH HERE AND GO COME BACK DOWN TO YES, SIR. GO BACK DOWN THIS WAY, THEN COME BACK DOWN TO LAKE JACKSON. THAT WAY IF YOU OFFER INTERESTED, UH, THE BRAZO SPRINGS EVENT CENTER, IT'S DIRECTLY NORTH OFF OF COUNTY ROAD TWO 20. GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE IT IS. AND THIS IS JUST KIND OF NO MAN'S LAND. YOU GUYS AREN'T REALLY SERVICED BY LAKE JACKSON. YOU'RE NOT SERVICED BY INGLETON. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. THAT'S CORRECT. SO EVEN WITH EMS OR NO MA'AM, WE, UM, ACTUALLY HAD TO DECIDE WHERE I'D GO TO SCHOOL AND IT WAS, WHICH, WHICH SCHOOL DISTRICT LOST BASICALLY. OKAY. , BECAUSE ANGLETON WOULD RUN A BUS AND LAKE JACKSON WOULDN'T. GOTCHA. GOTCHA. SO, YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH. THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT ARE IN THE SAME SIMILAR SITUATION WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHOOLS WHERE THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'RE ACTUALLY ONE SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY IS ONE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ANOTHER SIDE IS ANOTHER SCHOOL DISTRICT, AND IT'S JUST YES, SIR. AND, AND LIKE I SAID, TECHNICALLY WE WERE IN LAKE JACKSON, BUT I'M A PROUD WILDCAT. YEAH. CATS. ALRIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS REQUEST? NO. SO MY QUESTION IS, UH, IF WE DEX IT, CAN ANGLETON, UH, DECIDE TO ANNEX IT? NO, IT'S IN OUR, IT'S IN COUNTY. IT'S IN OUR ETJ. SO IT STAY IN THE ETJ? MM-HMM . YEAH. YEAH. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO IF COUNSEL, WE CAN ALSO ANNEX IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ANNEX STATION'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS, BUT IN 10 YEARS IT'LL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE ANNEXED BACK IF, IF THEY REQUEST IT, IF ANYTHING HAPPENED OUT THERE AT ANY TIME. YEAH. THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST BE ANNEXED AGAIN. NOW, AT THIS POINT, YES, THERE WOULD, YES. IF WE WOULD EVER GROW THAT IN THAT DIRECTION. YEAH. WHY WAS THIS ANNEX TO BEGIN WITH? THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD QUESTION. MY, UH, MY DAD WAS A LAND ATTORNEY IN ANGLETON, AND HE UPSET A FEW PEOPLE. THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE FAMILY LOWER AT LEAST. BUT WE WERE PRIVILEGED TO BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON ABOUT TWO YEARS AFTER WE SETTLED AN IMMINENT DOMAIN SUIT WITH THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON. I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE TO IT, THOUGH. YEAH. WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? UH, IF COUNCIL'S, UH, GRATEFUL, THEN, UM, SHERRY, I THINK WE'LL JUST DRAFT UP A LETTER AND HAVE YOU SIGN IT AND ATTACH THE MINUTES. OKAY. THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH. ENOUGH PROOF. ALL RIGHT. YEP. I'M GOOD. SO, BONNIE, SOMEBODY WANNA DO A MOTION TO, IF YOU WANT. YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR DIS ANNEXATION OF MALIA, UH, SD LOT RESERVE ACRES. ONE 6.79. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION TO, UH, DE ANNEX. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'LL GET A LETTER SIGNED AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. MAY WE BE EXCUSED FROM THE REST OF THE MEETING? YES, SIR. NO. YES. NO. YES. THAT THAT'S THE PRICE. THAT'S THE PRICE. IT'S LIKE THE MAFIA. ONCE YOU'RE IN, YOU NEVER GET OUT. WE WE'RE GONNA GET OUR $3 AND 3 CENTS BACK. . [2. Discuss and consider the request from Ms. Guerrero to remove the word “enchantment” from the City’s logo. – Pilar Guerrero] [00:10:04] ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO ITEM TWO. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR MS. GUERRERO TO, UH, REMOVE THE WORD ENCHANTMENT FROM THE CITY LOGO. MS. ER, GOOD EVENING. EVENING, EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS PIRO. I'VE LIVED IN COUNTY FOR THE LAST 42 YEARS. THE SCHOOL IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR 34, COMPELLED BY THE WORDS OF THE LATE, UH, THE LATE PRESIDENT JOHN FITZGERALD KENNEDY. DURING HIS ADDRESS TO THE NATION. HE SAID, ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU. ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY. THAT'S WHAT HE, I'M COMPELLED BY HIS WORDS. I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT WORDS LIKE NEVER BEFORE, WORDS TODAY MATTER. I WANNA HIGHLIGHT BEFORE I PRESENT TO YOU MY PROPOSAL AND THE PROPOSAL OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY. I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THE WORD LOVE THE WORD FAMILY, THE WORD CHANGE, AND ENCHANTMENT OUR FATHER GOD. I SAYS THAT HE LOVED THE WORLD SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVED IN HIM WOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. GOD HAS MADE A PROMISE TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO I WANT TO WORK FOR AS MANY YEARS AS I CAN. I DON'T HAVE MANY LEFT. BUT GOD MADE A PROMISE TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE. HE SAID, EVEN IF YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER FORSAKE YOU, I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU. HOW DOES HE DO THAT? HE DOES THAT THROUGH US, OUR HIS PEOPLE. WE ARE TO INTERCEDE FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY. WE ARE TO PRAY FOR THEM. IF THE MOUNTAINS THEY NEED TO CLIMB OR TO HIGH, WE CAN HELP THEM GET TO THE OTHER SIDE. YOU SEE, WORDS MATTER. I WANNA EMPHASIZE THE WORD CHANGE AT THIS MOMENT. WE JUST WENT THROUGH THE MOST FANTASTIC, UH, OLYMPICS IN THE MILAN, CORINA, THEY DID AWAY WITH THE WORD ICE. THEY HAD THE WORD ICE IN THEIR SLOGAN, AND THEY REMOVED IT. WE HAVE IN AMERICA A VERY WONDERFUL FOOTBALL TEAM. THEY'RE CALLED THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS. THEY'VE CARRIED THAT NAME FOR 60 YEARS. FINALLY, THEY DECIDED THAT THAT WAS A DEMEANING IDENTITY FOR A GREAT INDIAN NATION. SO THEY CHANGED THE NAME. NOW THEY'RE KNOWN AS THE WASHINGTON COMMANDERS. PRESIDENT TRUMP JUST ADDED HIS NAME TO THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL CENTER. HIS GOAL TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT. MY GOAL IS TO, IN SOME SMALL WAY, SHOW OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT IN THIS CITY, THEY CAN ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS AND REALIZE THEIR DREAMS. I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED IN OUR CITY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO. A GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE, FRIENDS, TEAMMATES, GATHER TOGETHER IN A FRIEND'S HOUSE TO HAVE FUN, IN MY OPINION, AS THEY GATHERED TOGETHER, A YOUNG LADY CAME IN AND SHE LIED TO ONE OF THE YOUNG MEN. SHE SAID, YOUR TRUCK IS BEING STOLEN, UNKNOWN TO HIM. WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN? HE WENT OUTSIDE TO CHECK IT OUT, AND ONE OF HIS [00:15:01] FRIENDS SLAMMED HIM ON THE SIDEWALK AND PROCEEDED TO BEAT HIM AND BEAT HIM AND BEAT HIM. AND WHEN THE YOUNG MAN WAS ASKED, WHY DID YOU DO SUCH A HORRIBLE THING? HE'S YOUR FRIEND, YOUR TEAMMATE, HIS ANSWER, AND I QUOTE, EVIL, I DESERVE JAIL TIME. MY QUESTION IS, THERE WERE A LOT OF THEIR FRIENDS WATCHING WHAT WAS GOING ON, AND NONE OF THEM DID ANYTHING. NOBODY TRIED TO STOP IT. IS IT BECAUSE THEY WERE MESMERIZED? WERE THEY UNDER A SPELL, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MEANINGS OF ENCHANTMENT? OR WERE THEY ENCHANTED? BECAUSE I KNOW THE MEANING OF ENCHANTMENT IS GOOD. YOU KNOW, IT MEANS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL, YOU, YOU FEEL SOMETHING HAS TO DO WITH FEELINGS. BUT IF YOU READ ON THE DEFINITIONS ACCORDING TO WEBSTER DICTIONARY AND OTHER AUTHORITIES, AND WORD, THE WORD IS VERY, VERY, IN MY WORDS, IN MY OPINION, DANGEROUS. SO, LIKE I SAID, I'M HERE TODAY TO MAKE A PROPOSAL ON BEHALF OF NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS AND OF THE CITY WHO HAVE THE SAME FEELING UNITED. WE WANNA STAND BEFORE YOU TO MAKE A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE THE WORD. I KNOW I TALKED TO MR. MUNDO AFTER THE LAST MEETING ON THE PHONE, AND HE TOLD ME THAT NOTHING COULD BE DONE. YOU KNOW, SEE, THE COUNCIL HAS DECIDED THAT IT IS NOT GONNA BE REMOVED AFTER ALL. THE CITY HAS BEEN NAMED SINCE 1959. MY QUESTION TO HIM WAS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER STEPS I CAN TAKE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS MATTER? HE SAID, NO, IT'S SETTLED. WELL, I BELIEVE WITH ALL MY HEART AS A CITIZEN, THAT THE CONSTITUTION, THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND CHECKS AND BALANCES WERE WRITTEN, LAWS WERE WRITTEN BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE. SO, SO AGAIN, WORDS MORE THAN EVER BEFORE MATTER, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO YOUNG PEOPLE. SO MY PROPOSAL TO YOU IS THAT YOU CONSIDER TAKING THE WORD ENCHANTED. OUR CITY'S ALREADY BEAUTIFUL. OUR CITY REPRESENT OUR CREATOR. THE GREEN, THE THE PHYSICAL BEAUTY THAT WE CAN SEE ALREADY SPEAKS POSITIVELY ABOUT OUR CITY. SO I DON'T THINK THAT WORD IS NEEDED TO IDENTIFY OUR CITY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING, AND YES, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, AGAIN, JUST TO RE REINFORCE OR RESTATE, UH, WHEN YOU CAME TO US THE FIRST TIME, IT WAS DURING VISITOR'S COMMENTS AND WE COULDN'T COMMENT BACK. AND SO WHAT MR. MUNDO WAS, UH, SHARING WITH YOU WAS, IS THAT, THAT THERE DIDN'T APPEAR THAT COUNSEL HAD ANY DESIRE TO, UH, PICK UP THE ITEM AND YOUR REQUEST AND, UH, MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, IS THAT IF YOU WOULD WANTED TO PURSUE THIS, THAT YOU NEEDED TO PURSUE IT, UH, AS A GRASSROOTS EFFORT IN THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND THEN, THEN YOU COULD BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL. IF THERE WAS MORE OF AN OVERALL COMMUNITY DESIRE TO MAKE THE CHANGE, THEN YOU COULD BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. BUT UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ON COUNCIL THAT WANTS TO, UH, TAKE THAT ON, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE ON TO TAKE, TO MAKE THE CHANGE. UNLESS WE SEE THAT THERE'S AN OVERWHELMING DESIRE ACROSS THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THE CHANGE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. SO THERE'S, IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S NOT THAT, THAT THE ANSWER IS NO. IT'S JUST THAT THE COUNCIL'S NOT GOING TO TAKE OUT THE EFFORT TO GO MAKE THE CHANGE IS BASICALLY WHAT HE, WHAT WAS BEING CONVEYED. OKAY. UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO, CHA WANTS TO CHANGE THAT TONIGHT. [00:20:02] MS. GUERRERO, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU, THANK YOU FOR COMING. I ALWAYS LOVE TO SEE CITIZENS WHO FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SOMETHING THAT ARE COMFORTABLE TO COME. SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS WITH US. UH, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WORDS DO MATTER. UM, I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER, THOUGH, I, I DISAGREE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT. UM, I READ A LOT, A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. AND I TYPICALLY ASSOCIATE THE WORD ENCHANTMENT WITH LOVELY, AND I'LL SAY LAKE JACKSON HAS BEEN HERE FOR 80 PLUS YEARS. AND THIS COMMUNITY WAS BUILT ON, I CONSIDER CHRISTIAN VALUES OF HARD WORK, OF FAMILY, OF COMMUNITY, UH, OF, OF INTEGRITY. AND OVER THE PAST 80 YEARS, THIS COMMUNITY HAS, UH, STOOD ON THOSE SAME VALUES. I THINK THIS COUNCIL STANDS ON THAT VALUES EVERY CITY MEETING BELONGS, UH, BEGINS WITH AN INVOCATION TO GOD. UM, SO THE MEANING OF THE WORD DOES MATTER, BUT IT'S ALSO ALWAYS OPEN TO OUR INTERPRETATION. AND FOR MYSELF, THE WORD MEANS FAMILY, COMMUNITY, COMMITMENT. UM, AND I THINK IT'S ALMOST DISRESPECTFUL TO, NOT, NOT OF YOU, BUT IF I WERE TO PARTICIPATE IN A CHANGE OF THAT WORD TO THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE UPHELD THOSE VALUES FOR ALL OF THESE YEARS, THIS, THIS COMMUNITY WAS NOT BUILT ON WITCHCRAFT OR SORCERY OR ANY OF THE NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS WITH THAT WORD. AND, AND I BELIEVE TO CAP, TO CAPITULATE, TO TAKING ON THAT MEANING IS KIND OF DEMEANING TO ALL OF THE WORK THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR 80 YEARS. UM, BUT I DO GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR LOVE. AND THE GOOD THING IS, IS I BELIEVE THAT YOURSELF AND EVERYBODY WHO SITS UP HERE, UH, SHARES ALL THE SAME VALUES. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. I, MAY I SAY SOMETHING ELSE? MM-HMM . SURE. ACCORDING TO THE AUTHORITY IN BOARD MEETING, WHICH IS A WEBSTER DICTIONARY, UHHUH , I BELIEVE IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT OR READ IT, I HAVE LOOKED IT UP. YES, MA'AM. THAT WORD MEANS TO PUT SOMEONE UNDER A SPELL. MM-HMM . IT'S WORDS THAT IS USED BY WITCHERY, WY SORCERY. AND IT GOES ON AND ON THE LIST OF THE NEGATIVE CONNOTATIONS OF THE WORD ENCHANTMENT. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, WHOEVER MENTIONED COMMUNITY REST GROUPS, UH, I'VE DONE THAT BEFORE AND IT'S WORKED. AND PROBABLY THEY WILL BE OUR NEXT STEP. GO TO THE CITY, UH, TO THE PEOPLE IN, IN THE AREA AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. YES. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME FOR LAC. CAN I SAY SOMETHING, MAAM? AND, 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA STOP. I, I NEED TO CONTINUE WITH IT. MA'AM. MY YOUNG PEOPLE ARE SO SPECIAL TO ME, BUT MY YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE SPECIAL TO, TO MR. UH BAKER. PLEASE MA'AM. HOW LONG, HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED HERE? I'M SORRY? HOW LONG HAVE YOU LIVED HERE? 43. 43 YEARS. HERE IN THE COMMUNITY? YES. AND YOU JUST NOW DECIDE TO, TO CHANGE, CHANGE TO MAKE A CHANGE AS A TEACHER? NO, I, I ACTUALLY, UH, COME TO, UH, COME TO THE CITY TO MAKE A CHANGE. I HAVE FOR YEARS, ACTUALLY. PEOPLE, I DON'T KNOW. IF PEOPLE HAVEN'T COME TO YOU, I DECIDED I WOULD COME TO YOU. 'CAUSE YOU ALL ARE THE AUTHORITY IN CHANGE. BUT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MEANING OF ENCHANTMENT FOR YEARS AS A DRIVE FROM, UH, IS THAT RIDGEWOOD OVER THAT BRIDGE. AND I SEE THE WATER TOWER LAKE JACKSON, THE CITY OF ENCHANTMENT. THE WORD DEALS WITH A FEELING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU SEE THE BEAUTY OF LAKE JACKSON, YOU FEEL SOMETHING YOU, YOU ENCHANTED. YOU KNOW, YOU FEEL YES. 'CAUSE IT'S LIKE CITY. YES. I, I WHAT I, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 45, 50 YEARS AND WHEN I MOVED HERE FROM HOUSTON AND I WORKED HERE AND I SAW THE ENCHANTMENT, AND I FEEL THE BEAUTY AND THE TREES, AND IT MADE ME FEEL LOVELY, LOVELY. AND TO WANT TO WORK HERE. AND, AND I SERVED HERE AND I WORKED HERE FOR 20 YEARS. AND AFTER WORKING HERE FOR 20 YEARS, I DECIDED TO SERVE ON COUNCIL. AND I'VE BEEN HERE ON COUNCIL, I THINK GOING ON WHAT IS 13 YEARS NOW. AND TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE, THE BEAUTY OF THE CITY, OF THE ENCHANTMENT, THE FEELING THE WORD HAS TO DO WITH HOW YOU FEEL. AND, AND THE ENCHANTMENT MADE ME FEEL THAT WAY. YES, SIR. AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GIVE BACK. YES, SIR. BUT THEN FURTHER. AND I DIDN'T FEEL ANY WITCHCRAFT OR, UH, ANY GIFT, ANY ONE FROM THE COMMUNITY OR ANY, [00:25:01] ANY VIBES OR ANYTHING FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM ANYBODY AT ALL, OR NO KIND OF FEELING MAYBE. AND I, I NEVER GOT THAT VIBE FROM ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU THE FIRST ONE I EVER, EVER HEARD THAT FROM. ABSOLUTELY. IN THE COMMUNITY. YOU HEARD FROM ME. YES, MA'AM. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO HAVE THE SAME SHUT IT DOWN, BACK UP. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU, THIS NEEDS TO CONTINUE. GO ON. MAYBE WITH THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. I, YOU KNOW, AS A TEACHER, I STARTED MY CIVIC DUTIES AND I KNOW WHERE WE CAN GO FROM HERE. AND, AND LIKE COUNCILMAN EFF SAID, I, I DO APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND THANK SO EXPRESSING THAT YOU SO MUCH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR VERY MUCH FOR COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING YOUR OPINION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST A SECOND, MR. UH, HAS A QUESTION. WHAT ENCHANTMENT MEANS TO ME, I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST 50 YEARS, AND, UH, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OVER HERE AT NIGHT. I, YOU KNOW, I CAN HEAR THE OWLS HOWLING, YOU KNOW, TALKING TO EACH OTHER. TO ME, THAT'S ENCHANTMENT TO ME, THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS TO ME. IT DOESN'T MEAN WITCHCRAFT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I, I'M JUST SHARING YOU HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. SO, EXACTLY. AND YOU, I AGREE. IT'S A FEELING DEFINITELY AS A MAN, IF YOU LOOK AT A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, I'M SORRY, I DON'T MEAN TO INSULT ANYBODY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN, YOU TAKE A SECOND LOOK. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE A FEELING'S JUST TO ANSWER THAT. HOW BEAUTIFUL SHE YES. RIGHT. P TER ALSO HAS A LOT OF OTHER MEANINGS AND SOME OF THEM ARE NOT WHICH, AND THAT'S, IT HAS, UH, HAS A LOT OF OTHER MEANINGS AS WELL. SO WE SHOULD NOT JUST FOCUS ON ONE MEANING RATHER THAN EXACTLY MEANINGS. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER MEANINGS TO THE WORD. AND THAT'S MY POINT. I AGREE WITH YOU, ENCHANTMENT. IT'S A FEELING THAT WE FEEL WHEN WE SEE GOD'S CREATION, THE GRAND CANYON, THE MOUNTAINS OUT OF IT. BUT THE, IF YOU READ A LITTLE FARTHER IN THE DICTIONARY, THAT'S NOT ALL IT MEANS. BUT I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND AS A CITIZEN, AND I WILL CONTINUE DOING MY CIVIC DUTY AGAIN. I JUST WANTED, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I WANTED TO BE SURE AND CLARIFIES THAT OKAY. WE WEREN'T, WE WEREN'T TELLING YOU THAT, THAT THERE WAS A NO WHERE WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT THERE YOU HAVE OPTIONS. YOU'RE JUST TELLING ME ABSOLUTELY. YOU HAVE TO GO. WE NEED, YOU NEED TO GO PURSUE THOSE OTHER OPTIONS IF YOU YES. IF YOU WANT TO, TO DRIVE THE CHANGE. YES. OKAY. ALL THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. [3. Discuss and consider the first reading of an ordinance amending Ch. 62 Miscellaneous Offenses of the City of Lake Jackson Code of Ordinances to prohibit amplified sounds beginning at 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, and at 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday, and that will limit amplified sounds to certain decibel levels at all other times. – Sherri Russell] ALL RIGHT. MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 62. UH, MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON'S CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS, BEGINNING AT, UH, 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. UM, AND THAT WILL LIMIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS TO CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVELS AT ALL OTHER TIMES. MR. RUSSELL, MR. MOON, I NEEDS TO READ THAT. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS AMENDING CHAPTER 62, MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS BEGINNING AT 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND TO LIMIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS TO CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVELS AT ALL OTHER TIMES, PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT HERE WITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT, ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE. OKAY. SO, UM, WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS IS THAT WE'LL SAY, IS THAT THE, OKAY, BUT THE ORDINANCE, WHEN IT SAYS PROHIBITED, THAT MEANS THAT MEANS IN THE ORDINANCE PROHIBITED FROM EMANATING BEYOND THEIR PROPERTY LINE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND, BUT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SHUT THE DOORS IN THE WINDOWS. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT THAT MEANS. AND THE REST OF THE TIME IT'S JUST LIMITED TO CERTAIN ALS FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINE GUIDELINES THAT WE, THAT HAVE BEEN SET SET BY THE STATE. YES. SO DOES THAT NEED TO BE REWORDED? UH, NO, THAT'S JUST A CAPTION. IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT SPECIFICALLY IN THE ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST, YOU CAN'T PUT THE WHOLE ORDINANCE IN THE CAPTION. IT WOULD, IT WOULD TAKE TOO LONG. WHAT DID YOU DO? THEY'RE ALL LIKE THAT MONTHS OUT. OH, EVERYBODY'S, WHAT'S THAT? THE COMPUTERS? YES. WE'RE HAVING PROBLEM, I GUESS COMPUTER. ALL OUR COMPUTERS ARE, UH, TABLETS FOR, THEY ALL HAVE TO BE RE REBOOTED. THAT'S WHAT THE, THAT'S THERE'S A UPDATE. WE'LL FOLLOW. [00:30:02] ANA HAS A VERY IMPORTANT JOB TONIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH HER SCREEN. , I REBOOTED MR. COUNSEL. YEAH, I REBOOT REBOOTED MINE. BUT ANYWAY, THERE'S, MICROSOFT IS DOING ITS THING TO US TONIGHT. I JUST PULLED IT UP. YEAH. SO ANYWAY, THIS IS, I MEAN, WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE IS NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE, IN THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS ABOUT THIS. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST FRAME, IT'S JUST AN ORDINANCE, OUR ORDINANCE THAT JUST, UH, AGAIN, FOLLOWS THE STATE, UH, REQUIREMENTS OR GUIDELINES, OR HAS A QUESTION. OKAY. YES. YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE TABLE, MAY NOT. AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME SINCE YOU DIDN'T SIGN IN. SO, FOR GLENNA BAILEY, I SIGNED IT. WELL, YOU DIDN'T SIGN IN TO TALK ABOUT THE SIGN. OH, YES. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT AMENDING IT FROM WHAT I KNOW. YOU'RE, YOU'RE WANTING TO CHANGE IT TO 10:00 PM TO 11. OH, IT'S, IT'S AMENDING. IT'S NOT AMENDING. THIS, THIS IS ALL BRAND NEW IS, BUT THE, IT'S CALLED AN AMENDMENT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IS, WE'RE ADDING ALL OF THIS. SO THE CHAPTER ITSELF WAS GETTING AMENDED TO ADD EVERYTHING THAT EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS BRAND NEW. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PROHIBITIONS BEFORE. REALLY? YEP. SO THE CHAPTER ITSELF IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE OH, I'VE LIVED IN A LONG TIME. AND, AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION FROM NINE O'CLOCK ON YOU COULDN'T PLAY LOUD MUSIC AND THEN IT WENT TILL EIGHT. SO YOU WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO MOW YOUR YARD BEFORE EIGHT O'CLOCK 'CAUSE IT BOTHERED THE . WE DO, WE DO HAVE THAT FOR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. AND, NO, NO, THAT WAS JUST FOR, UH, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT FINE. SO I WAS JUST WONDERING IF, IF Y'ALL WERE CHANGING IT TO LATER ANYWAY, JUST WANTED TO VERIFY. OKAY. BUT, 'CAUSE I'VE WAITED A LONG TIME AND WE FOLLOWED THOSE RULES, SO WE'RE, WE APPRECIATE THAT. WELL, YEAH, WE DO APPRECIATE THAT. IF EVERYBODY DID THAT, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS TODAY. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MARY? YEAH. OH, I WAS ASKING, MY NAME'S MITCH JACOBS. I'M AT 59 TANGERINE COURT. YEP. UH, I'M A SOUND ENGINEER. I TRADE A MIX CONCERTS AND STUFF. JUST TO, AND I, I, I'M SURE YOU MIGHT, YOU HEARING, YOU STILL HAVE HEARING, LOSING IT, LOSING IT, LOSING IT. I'M PRETTY SEMI-RETIRED NOW, BUT I DID IT FOR 35 YEARS ON, ON A BIG ARENA STUFF, WHATEVER. BUT I, I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S DECIBEL SOUND. RIGHT. WHICH IS VOLUME. YOU KNOW HOW, HOW LOUD IT'S, AND THEN THERE'S SOUND THAT TRAVELS, AND SO IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT SOUND, IT MIGHT NOT BE THE DECIBEL. OKAY. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND ON, ON UH, TANGERINE COURT, RIGHT BEHIND THE, THE DOW, BEFORE DOW WAS BUILT, IT WAS JUST TREES AND FORESTS AND SOUND DIDN'T CARRY RIGHT AS MUCH. NOW SOUND LIKE THERE USED TO BE A BILLARDS, UH, POOL HALL THERE AND THEY USED TO HAVE LIVE MUSIC AND STUFF. UH, NOW THAT SOUND HITS THOSE BUILDINGS AND YOU SOMETIMES CAN'T TELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE IT'S COMING FROM. IT BOUNCES FROM LAKE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S COMING, BUT IT'S COMING THIS WAY. SO JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION AS YOU GET INTO THIS, I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF, OF LOWERING THE SOUND VOLUME AT THESE THESE TIMES. BUT IF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, LET MAKE SURE THAT WHAT, WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU, WHEN THEY DISCUSS IT WITH YOU. YEAH. WE'VE, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE SEEN THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 'CAUSE WHEN WE WERE DOING SOME OF THE, THE DATA COLLECTION, THE OFFICERS WERE TAKING THEIR METERS THAT WE HAVE, THEY'RE CERTIFIED AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. AND, AND WE WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BE JUST BY CVS AND TAKE SOME READINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE WOULDN'T HAVE VERY LOUD, VERY, UH, HIGH READINGS AND STUFF OR NOTHING VERY. BUT YOU COULD GO TO WHERE SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS WERE SAYING THAT THEY WERE HAVING. AND YOU COULD DEFINITELY TELL. YOU COULD. AND IT'S HOW, AGAIN, LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, HOW SOUND CARRIES RIGHT. AND, AND, AND SO FORTH. AND JUST LIKE WITH, YOU KNOW, I LIVE OVER IN THE FARMS AND ON A, A COOL CRISP MORNING, YOU CAN ALMOST THINK THAT MY HOUSE IS NEXT DOOR TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS. WHEN THE TRAIN COMES THROUGH ROAD, YOU GET THE TRAINS, WE GET, WE GET 2 88. YEAH. YOU CAN'T. AND WE ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE, UH, ENGINEERING, UH, CENTER OF, OF THE NEW DOW, THAT WOULD BE GOOD THING THAT, THAT MAKES SOME NOISE. WHEN, WHEN THAT'S WHEN THE, UH, THE, UH, AIR CONDITIONER, WHATEVER'S ON TOP THERE, IT TURNS ON. AND DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER AND EVERYTHING, IT COULD BE ANNOYING TO SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS OR THAT. AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'S A GOOD, TO ME, IT'S A GOOD THING TO DO. JUST IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN TO YOU, MAYBE JUST SO THEY UNDERSTAND IT, THE VOLUME MIGHT BE DOWN. SO USING THE DECIBELS, THEY'RE STILL WHAT, USING THE DECIBEL [00:35:01] METRIC JUST GIVES US SOMETHING MORE. OH NO, YOU HAVE TO MEASURABLE. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO, RIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF SOMEBODY SAID, SAY YOU LOWER IT TO 70 AND WHATEVER MUSIC IS COMING FROM IS 70 OR LOWER, IT STILL CAN SOUND LOUDER. DEPEND TO SOMEBODY DEPENDING. RIGHT. JUST LIKE, UH, THE MAYOR SAID, AND AGAIN, WE WERE, WHEN THIS ALL STARTED, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE TALKED TO THE, AGAIN, IT WAS TWO BUSINESSES WE WERE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH. AND WE, WE, OUR, OUR COMMENT WAS IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO DO THIS. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO, WE DIDN'T EVEN WANNA BE INVOLVED IN THIS. WE JUST JUST BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. RIGHT? YEAH. AND THE, THE CHALLENGE WE HAD WITH 'EM WAS, IS THAT THE WEEKEND AFTER WE HAD THE CONVERSATION THREE DAYS, AND THEY JUST DECIDED TO HAVE WARS BETWEEN EACH OTHER ON WHO COULD PLAY THE LOUDEST. JESUS. AND SO WE HAD, WE, WE WERE HAVING TO TAKE A STEP THAT WE REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO GO DO. WE JUST SAID, JUST BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. YEAH. AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAVING TO TAKE THIS STEP AND, UH, BE, AND SO, UH, WE'RE HOPING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CALMS THINGS DOWN. AND THAT, UH, YOU KNOW THAT AGAIN, THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES THAT, THAT DO, UH, HAVE OUTDOOR MUSIC AND IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM. WE HOPE THIS DOESN'T TAKE THE TAIL. YEAH. IT DEPENDS ON LOCATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE JUST DOING IT TO FIGHT EACH OTHER, THAT'S NOT GOOD. BUT IT'S, THAT'S THEY'RE WRONG. BUT ANYWAY, WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING THIS STEP. WE'LL SEE WHAT, WHAT IT DOES. AND UH, UH, I MEAN, I HEAR THE KIDS ALL THE TIME OVER AT, AT THE PARK. YEAH. YOU KNOW? YEAH. WHICH I DON'T MIND. 'CAUSE I LIKE HEARING KIDS HAVING FUN. YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW LATE IT'S, BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANKS. ALRIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? NO. IS THERE MORE TO LOOK AT TO MAKE COMMENT ON IT? OR YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IT AND COME MAKE COMMENT? OH YEAH. YOU CAN. IT MAKE COMMENT. THERE'S A REST OF IT TOO. OKAY. THAT'S, CAN YOU SCROLL BACK DOWN? THEY'RE TRYING TO READ THE ORDINANCE, NOT THE THERE YOU GO. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT DEFINITIONS. IT'S THE, IT'S 62 13 THAT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. SO BASICALLY THE STATE, UH, GUIDELINES IS, GIVES US THE HOURS AND THE DECIBELS. AND IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE THOSE GUIDELINES, IF I UNDERSTAND IS WE'D HAVE TO DO, UH, A PERMIT. WE'D HAVE TO CREATE A PERMIT SYSTEM. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS, THEY ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A PERMIT IF PEOPLE ARE NOT FOLLOWING THESE GUIDELINES. OKAY. THAT'S WHEN WE CAN MAKE PEOPLE HAVE A PERMIT. ALRIGHT. YOU CAN COME UP TO, I'M RICHARD WOOD. I'M THE OWNER OF WORST HOUSE RESTAURANT. I'M, UH, BEEN A CITIZEN OF LAKE JACKSON FOR ALL MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN PROVIDING LIVE MUSIC DOWNTOWN FOR OVER 15 YEARS. AND AFTER 15 YEARS, WE'RE FINALLY HAVING TO CREATE SOME KIND OF ORDINANCE TO REGULATE IT. I FEEL LIKE, UM, PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON THE TIME AND EVERYTHING. I MEAN, THE STATE DOES HAVE THE, UM, THE, THE, UM, I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT IS THAT THE PENAL CODE 42, IS THAT WHAT IT IT IS NO, NO. PENAL CODE 42 IS JUST ENTERING HIS ILLINOIS, I THINK THIS IS IN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE WHERE THEY, THEY JUST, THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION PASSED NEW LAW. 'CAUSE CITIES WERE MAKING BARS AND RESTAURANTS GET, UM, AMPLIFIED SOUND PERMITS BECAUSE THEY WERE SO LOUD. AND IF YOU VIOLATE IT, THEY SHUT YOU DOWN FROM ANY AMPLIFIED SOUND. AND THESE WERE THE GUIDELINES THAT, THAT THE STATE GAVE. THE STATE THINKS WHAT THEY GAVE, THIS IS A REASONABLE NOISE FOR A RESTAURANT OR A BAR TO STOP AT 10:00 PM FROM BOTHERING YOUR NEIGHBORS. BUT BEFORE THAT, BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T TRYING TO GO TO BED, YOU CAN, YOU CAN BE A LITTLE LOUDER. NOT A LOT LOUDER. SO THE STATE PUT HOURS OF AMPLIFIED MUSIC RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE. YES. YES. THEY, IT'S NOT, THE STATE DIDN'T SAY THIS IS IT. THE STATE SAID, IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE APPLY FOR AN AMPLIFIED SOUND PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO BE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PLAYING REALLY LOUD MUSIC AFTER 10 OR 11:00 PM OR, OR DURING THE DAY OR EVENING BUSTING THE 70 OR 75 DECIBEL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE USED AS OUR GUIDELINES, BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE STATE IS SAYING, WE THINK THIS IS REASONABLE. SO IF THEY THINK IT'S REASONABLE, IT'S A GOOD GUIDELINE TO START. OKAY. SO THAT'S FOR A PERMITTED, AMPLIFIED ESTABLISHMENT. BUT A NON PERMITTED ONE DOES THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO, IF, IF [00:40:01] THE COMMERCIAL BUSINESS FOLLOWS THE GUIDELINES WE HAVE UP THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. BUT IF THEY BUST THOSE GUIDELINES, THEN THEY, THEN WE CAN REQUIRE THEM TO GET A BUS. OKAY. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE REAL ISSUE IN MY OPINION, IS NOT SO MUCH THE AMPLIFIED NOISE, IT'S SOME BAD ACTORS THAT ARE JUST NOT BEING COURTEOUS TO THEIR NEIGHBORS. YEAH. AND SO LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THE WORST HOUSE ACTUALLY CAME UP AS AN EXAMPLE OF, OF, UH, A RESTAURANT THAT PLAYED OUTDOOR MUSIC RESPONSIBLY. WE DIDN'T HAVE PAGES UPON PAGES OF CITIZEN RESIDENTIAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT WORST HOUSE. IT WAS VERY SPECIFICALLY TO PARTICULAR BUSINESSES. AND WHEN THIS FIRST CAME UP, ALL THE BAD ACTORS WERE HERE. AND AS THE MAYOR HAD SAID EARLIER, WE SPECIFICALLY ASKED THEM JUST SELF-REGULATE. NOBODY WANTS TO GO IN AND CREATE MORE ORDINANCE IN GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE. THREE DAYS LATER, THREE DAYS LATER, AFTER EVERYBODY SAT HERE AND WE SAID, OKAY, JUST SELF-REGULATE, TONE IT DOWN. WE WERE GETTING PAGES OF PAGES OF, OF CALLS. SO WE'RE SUPER HAPPY WITH EVERYBODY JUST SELF-REGULATING AND US STAYING OUT OF IT. SURE. SO, AND NO HORSE HOUSE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO, TO DO IT. I, I AGREE. I'M, I'M ALL FOR BUT CAN'T FOR SOME KIND OF, I MEAN, DON'T, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME. I'M, I'M ALL FOR SOME KIND OF, OF A, OF A NOISE ORDINANCE. YEAH. BUT WHAT I'M AGAINST IS TARGETING BUSINESSES AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT APPLY TO ALL CITIZENS, NEIGHBORHOODS, APARTMENT COMPLEXES, ANYBODY THAT'S PLAYING AMPLIFIED MUSIC PAST CERTAIN DE DECIBELS AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE DAY OR NIGHT. IT SHOULDN'T BE JUST RESTRICTED TO JUST BUSINESSES. IT SHOULD BE VEHICLES. IF, YOU KNOW, YOU PEOPLE DRIVE DOWN BEHIND ON OYSTER CREEK, DRIVE BEHIND MY HOUSE AND MY WINDOWS ARE RATTLING MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT BAD ACTORS THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR OR CONCERN FOR OTHERS AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO LIMIT WHEN A BUSINESS CAN'T OPERATE AND BE RESPONSIBLE VERSUS IRRESPONSIBLE. AND SO I'D LIKE, I WOULD HATE TO SEE THE CITY TO PUT REGULATION IN PLACE TO ROOT OUT A COUPLE OF BAD ACTORS AS OPPOSED TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF ENJOYMENT FOR MUSIC BEING AMPLIFIED RESPONSIBLY IN, SO THE STATE LAW STILL APPLIES. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF PEOPLE COMPLAIN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS OUT ON LOUD NOISE COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME. AND PEOPLE, THEY WILL GO BY AND TELL PEOPLE TO TURN IT DOWN. THAT'S, IT'S STILL FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS, THAT STILL APPLIES. WELL, THEY WOULD DO THAT FOR ME TOO. AND THEY DON'T NEED THAT. YOU, YOU NEED TO CALL YOU, YOU NEED TO CALL. THE PROBLEM WITH THE CARS IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONE WHEN THEY DRIVE BY, THEY'RE GONE. WHAT I MEAN IS, LIKE AT WORST HOUSE, WHEN WE WERE FIRST DOING LIVE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, WE LEARNED THAT DURING THE WINTER MONTHS OR THE COOLER MONTHS, WHEN COLD FRONTS BELOW END, THE SOUND TRAVELS FURTHER. YEAH, IT DOES. AND WE JUST HAD THE BANDS ADJUST THEIR SOUND LEVELS AND DO SOUND CHECKS TO WE SELF REGULATE. WE SELF REGULATE. SELF-REGULATED. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. WHAT A CONCEPT. BUT I WASN'T TOLD THAT I HAD TO CUT THE MUSIC OFF IN NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AT 11 O'CLOCK. YEAH. OR IF I WANTED TO DO IT ON THURSDAY NIGHTS, WHICH WE DID DO ON THURSDAY NIGHTS. WELL, AREN'T, WE DIDN'T, DIDN'T WE PUT THE REGULATION ON THAT DUE TO THE LOUD NOISE? YES. IT WASN'T THE WORST HOUSE LOUD NOISE. BUT IT, IT'S THE, UM, THE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT STAY OPEN LATE AND ACT AS BARS DOWNTOWN. THAT'S WHY WE DID IT. WE, BECAUSE THE, THERE ARE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN THAT ARE NOT SELF-REGULATING THAT REFUSING TO DO IT. RIGHT. RIGHT. EVERYBODY'S, THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT WE'RE TRYING, WE WOULDN'T BE DOING THIS. WE'RE TRYING THIS SOLUTION. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YEAH. RIGHT. LIKE SHE SAID, AFTER THEY, THAT MEETING THAT NIGHT, IF THEY'D GONE BACK AND DONE KNOW WHAT WE ASKED, WE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT. BUT MR. WOOD, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IF YOUR NEIGHBOR TURNED UP THEIR AMPLIFIED MUSIC AT 2:00 AM THE POLICE, THE PD DOES HAVE TOOLS TO COME. THIS APPLIES. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT STRICTLY TO BUSINESSES. CORRECT. WELL, NOW THIS IS FOR BUSINESSES. THE PD CAN RESPOND TO YOUR NEIGHBOR WHEN THEY HEAR THE NOISE AT, AT 2:00 AM THAT'S THEY TELL 'EM TO TURN IT DOWN. IT'S ALREADY THERE. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY KNOW THAT'S UNREASONABLE. PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP. THAT'S UNREASONABLE. THE, I I LOOKED AT WHAT AUSTIN DOES, WHICH IS VERY EXTREME, BUT IT'S REALLY A LOT MORE LIBERAL THAN, UH, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN TERMS OF THEY DESIGNATE CERTAIN AREAS OF TOWN CERTAIN TIMES. SIXTH STREET. YEP. SIXTH STREET HAS CERTAIN GUIDELINES AND OTHER PARTS OF TOWN HAS DIFFERENT GUIDELINES. THINGS THAT ARE CLOSER TO RESIDENTIAL HAVE STRICTER [00:45:01] GUIDELINES. THEY TAKE IT A LOT FURTHER. THEY ACTUALLY MAKE YOU APPLY FOR A PERMIT. CORRECT. THEY CHARGE YOU FOR A PERMIT AND HAVE AN ENTITY THAT COMES IN AND REGULATES YOU EVERY YEAR. WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM SOME OF THAT. AND, AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT, UH, THESE BAD ACTORS AREN'T GONNA BE HERE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS LIKE WE HAVE. RIGHT. UM, AND, BUT THE ORDINANCE STILL WILL BE, YOU SEE, SO WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS, I WOULD JUST URGE YOU TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING, UH, BECAUSE THERE IS PLEASANT, AMPLIFIED MUSIC THAT CAN BE PLAYED. BUT YOU'RE SAYING WITH THIS SUGGESTION THAT YOU CAN'T DO IT AFTER THIS. BUT HOW DO YOU PICK AND CHOOSE THIS? WELL, I, I, IT SEEMS TO ME IT COULD BE REAL A LOT SIMPLER. YOU COULD JUST CREATE A, YOU KNOW, A DECIBEL LEVEL. AND IF SOMEBODY'S EXCEEDING THAT AND GETTING COMPLAINED ON MM-HMM . THE POLICE GO KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF THE BUILDING OR THE BUSINESS AND THEY SAY YOU'RE EXCEEDING IT. DON'T, DON'T Y'ALL HAVE THE METERS THAT MEASURE THE YES. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE THE METERS, JUST LIKE A RADAR GUN, A PERSON DRIVING ON THE ROAD. SPEEDING. BUT, BUT, BUT THE PROBLEM HE'S RUNNING INTO IS WHEN THEY GO OUT THERE, THE OWNER'S NOT THERE. THERE'S STILL A RESPONSIBLE PARTY ON ALL MY, ON MY, ON MY HEALTH PERMIT. I HAVE TO LIST ME AS THE OWNER, I HAVE TO LIST THE MANAGER IN CHARGE, AND I HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFIED MANAGER ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES OF OPERATION. THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE RESPONSIBLE. AND A TICKET CAN BE MADE OUT AFTER A WARNING IS ISSUED TO TURN IT DOWN. THAT IF YOU DON'T TURN IT DOWN AND WE GOTTA COME BACK WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMEFRAME. I MEAN, YOU COULD REGULATE THE TIMEFRAME ON HOW MANY, YOU KNOW, YOU REGULATE ON OTHER ORDINANCES THAT IF YOU GET, YOU KNOW, STRIKE ONE WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIMELINE, THIS HAPPENS. SO YOU STRIKE TWO AND THIS TIME AND STRIKE THREE, YOU'RE GETTING A TICKET OR YOU'RE GETTING FINED. YOU COULD EASILY FIND THE BAD ACTORS. WELL, THEY'RE NOT HARD TO FIND. I CAN HEAR THEM. THEY'RE NOT HARD TO FIND. WE DID THAT. WE DID THAT. I THINK WE ACTUALLY ARRESTED THEM. AND THEY'RE STILL PLAYING THE MUSIC. THEY'RE STILL DOING IT. AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING IS WE HAD THE POLICE MEASURING FROM THE LOUD PROPERTY, AND IT WAS 75 OR LOWER, BUT OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU COULD STILL HEAR IT BECAUSE OF THE WAY SOUND TRAVELS. THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THAT DECIBEL TO TELL THEM, I'M SORRY, BUT THEY'RE AT THE 70 OR 75. WE'RE NOT GONNA TELL THEM TO TURN IT DOWN OR IT'S AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, WE'RE GONNA TELL 'EM TO TURN IT OFF. YEAH. I MEAN, WE'VE ALL, THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. I'M SURE IT HAS. THIS HAS BEEN A LONG PROCESS. THERE'S, UH, IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. I MEAN, UH, AGAIN, PEOPLE, PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, SIT IN THEIR LIVING ROOM OR SIT IN THEIR BEDROOM AT 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT AND NOT FEEL THE REVERBERATION OF A BASE. UH OH, I AGREE. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN READ OUR READINGS ARE 75 DECIBELS. AND SO THAT'S, I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CUTOFF AT THE TIMES IS THAT, UH, AGAIN, THE RESIDENTS, IT'S SOMEWHERE WE'VE GOTTA DRAW A LINE. UH, YOU'RE, YOU'RE STARTING TO IMPACT THE, THE BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO IMPACT, UH, OR THESE BUSINESSES ARE STARTING TO IMPACT, UH, THOSE, UH, THOSE RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'VE LOOKED, THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS ORDINANCE. AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST DRAFT. UM, UH, IT'S GONNA COME BACK AGAIN, UH, FOR A SECOND READING. UH, IF, UH, YOU WANNA SHARE SOME OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS WITH US, UH, OR SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS, OTHER PEOPLE HAVE OTHER COMMENTS ON IT, THEY CAN SHARE THOSE WITH US AND, UH, WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ON IT. UH, AND, UH, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING. YEAH. ON THE THREE. YEAH. I WOULD JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, ASK IF, YOU KNOW, IS THE TIMES IS WHAT IS THE TIMES IS WHAT'S GIVING YOU THE HEARTACHE. YEAH. THE TIMES. IT'S THE, BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT I CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO DO IT, BECAUSE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE AREN'T, AS OPPOSED TO HOLDING THOSE BAD ACTORS ACCOUNTABLE AND FINDING THEM THE POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT THEY'RE STILL GONNA PLAY THAT. AND THEY'RE, THIS IS NOT GONNA FIX THE PROBLEM, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING, HAVING THIS IN PLACE GIVES THE PD THE TOOLS THEN TO PURSUE THE BAD ACTORS. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE KNOCKING ON WORST HEALTH STORES WHEN WE DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU CAN STILL PUT THIS IN PLACE WITHOUT THE TIME RESTRAINTS. THE TIME RESTRAINTS GIVE THE DISTURBING OF THE PEACE IS WHERE IT COMES IN. I MEAN, THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS THAT. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THE STATE OF TEXAS HAS A DISORDERLY CONDUCT SPEC SPECIFICALLY FOR UNREASONABLE NOISE EXCEEDING 85 DIS UH, DECIBELS. [00:50:01] BUT, YOU KNOW, AT ANY TIME, WE DO HAVE TIME, TIME CONSTRAINTS ON, ON OTHER NOISES. I MEAN, JUST LIKE WITH CONSTRUCTION, WE, WE RESTRICT CONSTRUCTIONS AND HOW MANY TIME WE ALLOW CONSTRUCTIONS TO OPERATE AFTER THOSE HOURS IS THEY HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND GET APPROVAL TO, OR BASICALLY GET A PERMIT OR IT'S APPROVAL TO OPERATE FOR A SPECIFIC PROJECT FOR THOSE, UH, THAT, THAT TO, TO GET THAT, UH, APPROVAL TO, TO WORK AFTER THOSE HOURS OR BEFORE THOSE HOURS. MOST OF THE TIME IT'S BEFORE THOSE HOURS. SO WE DO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON, ON TIMES, ON SOUNDS IMPACTING, UH, NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO THIS ISN'T UNIQUE, UH, PUTTING TIME RESTRICTIONS OUT THERE. UM, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST USING THE TIME RESTRICTIONS. THAT'S ANOTHER TOOL TO BE ABLE TO, AGAIN, GIVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SOME PEACE AND QUIET BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING STARTED AROUND EIGHT O'CLOCK. SURE. BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU'RE NOT GONNA HIRE A, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO PERFORM OR WHATEVER AT FIVE 30, WHATEVER THEY'RE GONNA DO. RIGHT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE HIRING, YOU KNOW, ENTERTAINMENT. AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WHAT'S CAUSED ALL THIS IS NOT MY PREFERENCE OF ENTERTAINMENT, OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT QUITE A FEW PEOPLES, BUT TYING THE HANDS OF WHEN YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO IT, THIS DOESN'T SEEM, I MEAN, THE BUSINESS OWNER HAS TO BE THE ONE TO JUDGE THAT. AND IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE REGULATION IS WHAT YOU'RE REALLY GOING FOR HERE. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO CURTAIL, DISRUPTING THE PIECE. BECAUSE NOT ALL AMPLIFIED MUSIC IS NOISE AND DISRUPTION. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT IS AFTER THIS TIME OF THE DAY OR TIME OF THE NIGHT. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M SAYING THAT THAT'S BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP. WELL, I'M, I'M, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN PROVIDING AMPLIFIED MUSIC FOR OVER 15 YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE THAT. BUT YOU HADN'T, YOU HADN'T BEEN GOING OVER THAT. YOU'RE INTERFERING WITH PEOPLE. THESE PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. SURE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'VE DONE FINE FOR THE YEARS YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE. CONGRATULATIONS. GREAT. IT'S THOSE TWO THAT'S CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. BUT DON'T, YOU'RE DOING THIS RIGHT. DON'T LET, LET THEM, THE OTHER THING THAT YOU, OTHER THING THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS, UH, UH, HOW CLOSE A BUSINESS IS TO, UH, RESIDENTIAL. YOU'RE FURTHER AWAY. I'M A BLOCK. YEAH. WELL, YOU ARE. I MEAN, YOU, I MEAN, BUT I CAN ALSO TURN TO, I, I LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I, I STILL HEAR YOUR MUSIC. YOU STILL HEAR. WE DON'T HAVE, WE NEVER HAVE HAD, I I I LIVED OVER THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND WE NEVER HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH YOUR MUSIC AND YOUR MUSIC THAT YOU PLAY. IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF MUSIC. BUT THE OTHER MUSIC WITH THE, WITH THE F-BOMBS AND THE, THE MBOS AND THE DIFFERENT KIND OF MUSIC THAT THEY PLAY, WE, I AGREE. WE KNOW WHEN THE JAZZ BAND, WE, WE KNOW WHEN THE JAZZ BAND COME ON SUNDAYS THAT WE NEED TO GO WALK DOWN AND GO LISTEN TO THE JAZZ BAND. I HAVE A QUESTION. DO WHAT HE'S CALLING THE QUESTION HE WANTS. END DISCUSSION. DISCUSS. NO, I I ACTUALLY HAVE A, CAN I, I'VE GOT A QUESTION. WELL, NO, HE'S CALLED THE QUESTION. SO, UH, CALL THE QUESTION. SO WE NEED TO HAVE, UH, I NEED TO UH, UH, LET'S SEE. YOU NEED TO HAVE A VOTE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE GONNA STOP DISCUSSING THIS AND GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON IT. SO I NEED A VOTE TO, UH, END DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR TO, UH, END DISCUSSION. SAY AYE. AYE. AND OPPOSED TO END DISCUSSION. NO, NO. OKAY. SO WE'LL CONTINUED DISCUSSION. SO I CHIEF, I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION. IF WE WERE TO REMOVE THE TIMES OR TO CHANGE THE TIMES ON THIS, DOES IT WEAKEN THE TOOLS THAT THE PD HAS TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM? CERTAINLY. I MEAN, THIS IS A LONG, COMPLEX DISCUSSION TO CIRCLE BACK AROUND THIS DIDN'T START WITH COUNSEL IT AND START WITH PD. THIS STARTED FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR HOMES TRYING TO GO TO BED. THEY DON'T EVER COMPLAIN AT EIGHT O'CLOCK. RIGHT. THEY COMPLAIN AT 10 30, 11, 12. 'CAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO GET THEIR KIDS TO BED AND ALL THIS. AND TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, YES, THERE ARE GOOD BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN AND WE LOVE HAVING THAT, THAT HAVE DONE THIS. RIGHT. BUT THIS WAS ADDED AS A TOOL TO TAKE CARE OF A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A TIME LIMIT. THE DECIBELS FROM THE DATA ARE NOT MORE THAN US SITTING HERE HAVING A CONVERSATION, BUT THEY'RE STILL [00:55:01] BEING HEARD ON IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND IN ALL FAIRNESS, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD BUSINESSES IN LAKE JACKSON. THIS IS A SPECIFIC ISSUE WITH DOWNTOWN MM-HMM . BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY RUNS A BUSINESS WITH LOUDNESS. WHETHER IT'S CARS, WHETHER IT'S, UH, MUSIC, UH, PEOPLE OUTSIDE TALKING TILL 11, 12 O'CLOCK AT NINE. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WHY THIS EXTRA STEP WAS DISCUSSED TO BE NECESSARY. UM, YOU CAN, IF YOU WANT TO FIND A DECIMAL LEVEL, AND WE COULD GO BACK AND GATHER, GATHER DATA WHERE YOU CAN'T HEAR IT FROM ALL THESE PLACES THAT THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT SMALLER THAN PROBABLY AMPLIFIED MUSIC. THIS IS A ONE STEP IN BETWEEN. I UNDERSTAND AND, AND CERTAINLY SYMPATHETIC TO, UH, SOME OF THE GREAT BUSINESS DOWNTOWN. I'VE BEEN AND ENJOYED THE MUSIC AND, UH, THE FOOD AND, UH, THE ATMOSPHERE. BUT, UM, IN MY OPINION TO TAKE THAT OUT, SURE YOU CAN. UH, WE'RE ALMOST BACK TO WORKING OFF THE STATE LAW, UH, RIGHT. OF UNREASONABLE SOUND, WHICH IS, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE 85 DECIBELS. THAT'S ONLY AS A PRESUMPTION. UH, IT CAN BE UNREASONABLE AT 60, IT CAN BE UNREASONABLE IF IT'S BOTHERING SOMEONE'S PEACE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AT 50. RIGHT. SO, UH, IT, IT'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION, LIKE I SAID, WENT INTO THIS. AND I THINK THAT PART OF IT, UH, ESPECIALLY SUPPORTED BY, UH, THE STATE'S CURRENT ACTIONS IN THE LAWS SUPPORTS THE TIME LIMIT AS WELL. AND YOU SAID, LET ME CLARIFY THOUGH, IS IF THE WORST HOUSE WANTS TO, UH, DO MUSIC TO 11 O'CLOCK ON A THURSDAY OR WHENEVER THEY CAN, UH, SO THEY WANT, THURSDAY IS 10 O'CLOCK. SO IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF THEY WANT TO GO TO 11 O'CLOCK, WE COULD, WE COULD CREATE A PERMIT AND THEY COULD GET A PERMIT AND GET APPROVED TO DO MUSIC TILL 11 O'CLOCK. DO YOU EVER DO MUSIC THAT LATE? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT? NO, NO. 1130. I THINK WHAT MR. WE CAN'T REQUIRE THEM TO GET A PERMIT UNLESS THEY GO AGAINST THESE GUIDELINES AND GO AHEAD. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE TOLD THEM NOT TO AND PLAY UNTIL 11:00 PM AND EVEN THEN, IF NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT THEM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND MEASURE IT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE. I MEAN, BUT UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING. GO OUT. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT, BUT HE'S NOT GETTING THE COMPLAINTS. YEAH. BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TWO BAD ACTORS OR THREE BAD ACTORS. WHY PUNISH EVERYBODY TO JUST BECAUSE THOSE TWO PEOPLE, I, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. RIGHT. HE SAID HE NEED TO MEET, HE GOT TO HAVE TO MEET. 'CAUSE THE TOOLS THAT WERE IN PLACE TO BEGIN WITH, HE HAD TO HAVE, HAVE THE TOOLS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE ALLOW FOR US TO ADDRESS NO, NO, I AGREE WITH WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, BUT WHAT MR. WOOD IS SAYING, WE'RE TALKING ARRESTS AND, AND I WOULD EXPECT HARDEN CREEK WOULD'VE BEEN HERE AS WELL, UH, FOR THAT SAME REASON. BUT THE TOOLS CURRENTLY AT HAND DIDN'T SOLVE THAT ISSUE. AND WE'RE TALKING NOT ONLY JUST WRITE 'EM A CITATION OR GIVE THEM A WARNING, WE'RE TALKING ARRESTING PEOPLE AND TAKING 'EM TO JAIL. AND THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED. CORRECT. THAT'S ALREADY OCCURRED. MULTIPLE. SO WE WERE ALREADY TRIED TO GET ALL THESE MULTIPLE STEPS TO BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO SELF-REGULATE. AND IT'S BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. YEAH. WE'VE ACTUALLY TAKEN JAIL. UNFORTUNATE IT CERTAINLY IS. AND THAT HAS NOT RESOLVED THE ISSUE. NO. CORRECT. THEN HOW IS THIS, HOW IS THIS? IT'S, IT'S CERTAINLY SLOWED IT DOWN AT THIS POINT. UH, BUT IT'S FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. AND UH, IT'S A, IT'S A LITTLE ARBITRARY. UH HA THIS IS HAVING A METER BEING AT THE PROPERTY LINE. IT'S A WAY TO KEEP IT IN LANES BEFORE YOU EVER GET TO THAT POINT. WELL, IF GOING TO JAIL DOES NOT RESOLVE THE PROBLEM. YEAH. BUT THAT ONLY HAPPENS. HOW'S THIS GOING TO WHOLE PROBLEM? THAT ONLY HAPPENED ONCE. AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU WAIT FOR THE COMPLAINT AND YOU GO OVER AND YOU TELL 'EM TO TURN IT DOWN AND THEY DON'T TURN IT DOWN, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THIS GIVES YOU A HARD LINE. WE TOLD YOU TO CUT IT OUT AT 10 OR 11. YOU DIDN'T CUT IT OUT AT 10 OR 11. YOUR COMPANY WOULD. THAT'S THE BIG PART. IT'S SO WE'RE WAITING FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE DISTURBED AGAIN, BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR FRUSTRATION. THEY'RE TIRED OF CALLING AND NOTHING GETS DONE. UH, THIS IS A LEVEL OF AMPLIFICATION WHERE YOU'RE ALREADY IN VIOLATION. AND I CAN TELL THAT AS AN OFFICER, THIS SHUTS IT DOWN IN ONE NIGHT VERSUS MULTIPLE DRUG OUT OVER AND OVER, OVER WEEKS AND MONTHS AND STUFF. AND AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME, IF IT'S NOTHING, THEN YOU CAN BE AT PEACE. AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, AFTER 10 O'CLOCK OR 11 O'CLOCK. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED FOR A HARD LINE WHEN THEY WERE HERE, RIGHT? YEAH. THE BUSINESS OWNERS, THE DJS FOR THIS [01:00:01] THAT WERE HERE. YEAH. SO I'M SURPRISED THOUGH. THERE'S NOT OTHER TOOLS. I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS PERMIT. DON'T THEY PULL THEIR BUSINESS PERMIT? NO, THEY LOOKED OUT. LAKE JACKSON DOES NOT REQUIRE A BUSINESS PERMIT. WELL, THEY HAVE HEALTH PERMIT, THE STATE'S ALCOHOL HEALTH PERMIT. BUT WE CAN'T PULL A HEALTH PERMIT. THE PIECE, YOU CANNOT PULL A HEALTH PERMIT BECAUSE OF SOUND. TABC REQUIRES YOU CAN'T DISTURB THE PIECE. IT'S TBAC. YEAH. TAC HOLDS THEIR ALCOHOL PERMIT WITH THE CITY. SO TABC HAS THAT ABILITY TO, T-T-A-B-C IS IF, IF THERE'S DISTURB DISTURBING THE PIECE TAKING PLACE, TABC CAN STEP IN AND REGULATE. WE'RE THE CITY, WE CANNOT DEPEND ON D-T-A-B-C. WE'RE THE CITY CONTACT FORCE SOUTH. WE CONTACTED THE CC, THEY WERE UNHELPFUL. WELL, LIKE, LIKE YOU WERE SAYING THOUGH, IF ARRESTING PEOPLE AND FINDING PEOPLE DOESN'T STOP THE PROBLEM, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK PUTTING MORE REGULATIONS ON THE GOOD PLAYERS IS GONNA SOLVE ANYTHING? MR. WADE, I'M EXACTLY LIKE YOU. I WOULD BALK AT ANY RESTRICTIONS LIKE THIS BECAUSE I CAN SELF-REGULATE. WELL, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THOSE BUSINESSES WON'T BE HERE IN FIVE YEARS, BUT THE, BUT THE REGULATION WILL STILL BE HERE. SO THEN THAT'S THE TIME BRINGING THE ORDINANCE BACK. IT'S NOT GONNA GET TAKEN AWAY. THERE'S ORDINANCES NOW THAT DON'T GET ENFORCED THAT ARE STILL ARE ON THE BOOKS. THAT JUST, JUST WHAT I'M WANTING TO BE HEARD, THAT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT A REASONABLE PERSON TRYING TO CONDUCT BUSINESS AND MENTALISM FOR THEMSELVES IS GONNA DO WHATEVER THEY CAN TO LIMIT THEIR EXPENSES, WHICH IS FINES AND BEING TAKEN TO JAIL. AND THE MORE THAT HAPPENS, I GUESS IF YOU'RE A SPEEDER AND YOU'RE GONNA CONTINUE SPEEDING AND KEEP PAYING YOUR TICKETS, YOU'RE GONNA KEEP SPEEDING. RIGHT. BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM IS, RIGHT NOW, BEFORE THIS ORDINANCE IS PASSED, PD HAS TO WAIT FOR CITIZEN COMPLAINTS BEFORE THAT THEY CAN GO AND ADDRESS IT. OKAY. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS IT HOPEFULLY TAKES THE CITIZENS OUT OF IT A LITTLE BIT AND ALLOWS PD TO HAVE THE TOOLS WHERE THEY CAN ADDRESS IT DIRECTLY. I GOT YOU. I'M WITH YOU. WHAT IS THE ORDINANCE, MISS MARIE? I'M WITH YOU. SO IF YOU, SO IF YOU NEED THOSE TIMELINES, WHY DON'T YOU EXTEND THOSE HOURS TO SERVING HOURS AND THEN YOU STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN REGULATE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE JUST EXTENDING THOSE HOURS. AND THEN IF THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN ALWAYS COME BACK IN, RESTRICT THE HOURS. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE GET TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO TO BED AT 10 O'CLOCK. WELL, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THE NOISE IS NOISE AND IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT PLEASANTRY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT REDUCING DISTURBANCES AFTER THOSE HOURS, YOU CAN STILL HEAR MUSIC AND IT NOT BE DISTURBING BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS. SO THREE DAYS AFTER THEY MET HERE, OKAY. AND WE ASKED THEM TO PLEASE SELF REGULATE. I ALREADY TOLD THIS STORY. I HAD, THREE DAYS LATER I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM A LADY WHO LIVES OFF OF MISSILE TOE. AND SHE SAID, I, I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW THIS LADY. SHE SAID, I WISH YOU COULD BE IN MY BACKYARD RIGHT NOW. SO I GOT DRESSED AND I WENT TO HER BACKYARD. I COULD HEAR THE LYRICS OF THE MUSIC THAT THEY WERE PLAYING. AND IT WAS, I, I WENT BY THERE FIRST TO SEE HOW IT WAS 0.7 MILES AWAY. AND SHE SAID, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 25 YEARS. I'VE NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT ANYTHING. I LOVE LIVING HERE. SHE GOES, THIS IS TOO MUCH. BECAUSE IT'S CONSTANT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, AND I GET IT. WE ALL GET IT. NOBODY WANTED TO DO ANY KIND OF ORDINANCE WHATSOEVER, BUT WE CAN'T SAY, OKAY, RICHARD WOOD AT WORST HOUSE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THIS. BUT BODEGA HAS TO. IF WE COULD SAY THAT AND WE COULD JUST ISOLATE THE TWO PROBLEMS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT HOW DO YOU DO THAT? NOW, DON'T GET ME WRONG. I'M, I'M ALL FOR THE DISTURBING OF THE PIECE. IF YOU'VE GOT OTHER SOLUTIONS, I AM, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF OUR, WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO OFFER OUT. YEAH. IS OTHER SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS MR. WOOD, YOU SAID SERVING HOURS. WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE SERVING HOURS? SERVING HOURS FOR? UM, WELL, YOUR BUSINESS HOURS, BUT TABC SERVING HOURS REGULATE THAT YOU CAN'T SERVE PAST MIDNIGHT AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN'T SERVE PAST ONE O'CLOCK ON SATURDAYS. SO, SO MIDNIGHT ON MIDNIGHT ON ALL THE NIGHTS, SUNDAY THROUGH SATURDAY, SUNDAY THROUGH 1:00 AM FRIDAY, SATURDAY NIGHT, IT EXTENDED ONE HOUR. NOBODY'S USUALLY OUT PAST THAT DOING ANYTHING. EVERYTHING'S USUALLY SHUT DOWN. BUT WHENEVER WE PROVIDED LIVE MUSIC, WHEN WE DO IT, WE USUALLY DO IT IN THE SPRING AND WE CALL IT OFF, YOU KNOW, AROUND, UH, BEFORE THE HOLIDAYS TO GET HERE. 'CAUSE THE WEATHER'S TOO UNPREDICTABLE. BUT OUR, OUR MUSIC USUALLY STARTS UP AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AND IT, AND IT'S OVER WITH, AND THE BAND'S LAST SET. IT'S FINISHED BY MIDNIGHT AND WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE WHERE IT'S BEEN THURSDAY NIGHTS, FRIDAY NIGHTS, SATURDAY NIGHTS, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF THE YEAR, THE OCCASION, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE SEASON. UM, [01:05:01] BUT IT'S NOT EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT. IT'S NOT EVERY FRIDAY NIGHT, AND IT'S NOT EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT. AND IT, IT'S EXPENSIVE TO PROVIDE MUSIC. YOU'RE HAVING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, AN EXPENSE THERE TO PAY FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THINGS. BUT JUST BECAUSE THE SOUND CAN BE HEARD DOESN'T MEAN IT'S UNPLEASANT OR DISTURBING. THE PIECE ALWAYS IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. WE DON'T DISAGREE. RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU CAN STILL HEAR THE MUSIC OR THE SOUND INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WELL, IT'S THE SAME THING I CAN HEAR. YEAH, I, I CAN HEAR THE, WHEN THE CITY PUT ON THE MUSIC. YEAH. I, I MEAN FROM THE CITY, FROM FROM THE BACK OF THE, I CAN HEAR THE MUSIC. THE, THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH ITS MUSIC AT THE CIVIC CENTER AS WELL. AND IT'S BEEN RESPONSIBLE AND IT'S HELPED CREATE A, A VIBE. THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF TEXAS HAS A, A MUSIC DIVISION AND THEY GO OUT AND THEY AWARD CITIES, CITIES WITH, UH, MUSIC CITY RECOGNITION JUST BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT AND PROVIDE LIVE MUSIC. THIS DOESN'T, I MEAN, AUSTIN, Y'ALL SEEN WHAT AUSTIN DOES IN HOUSTON. WE'RE NOT THAT. BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A HAPPY MEDIUM WHERE A COUPLE OF BAG ACTORS CAN'T JUST COME IN HERE AND TELL EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S DOING IT. RIGHT. HOW TO, HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. THAT, THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN YOU ENFORCE IT WITH FINES AND TAKING PEOPLE TO JAIL, DO IT ENOUGH TIMES AND THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA QUIT. THEY'RE GONNA GET THE PICTURE. NO, WELL, THE PD COME ASK WHAT THEY NEEDED SOME EXTRA, UM, TO HELP THEM. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THEM. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, I THINK WHAT WAS ALLUDED, ALLUDED TO, THE REALLY THE FRUSTRATION HAS BEEN FROM, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, AN OFFICER CANNOT BE OFFENDED BY MUSIC. SO THEY COULD DRIVE BY, IT CAN BE 120 DECIBELS. THEY CANNOT WRITE A TICKET UNTIL THEY RECEIVE A COMPLAINT. AND THAT'S WHERE IT STEMS FROM, IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS TIRED OF CALLING US TO COMPLAIN EACH TIME. THEY'VE SAID, I'VE CALLED YOU 10 TIMES AND EACH TIME IS A NEW OCCASION. WHY DO I HAVE TO CALL YOU AGAIN? BECAUSE THAT'S THE LAW IS THAT IT'S WRITTEN. EACH DAY IS A NEW TIME. THEY HAVE, IF THERE'S A NEW INFRACTION, THEY HAVE TO CALL US. THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED TODAY, THESE TIMELINES PROHIBIT ENJOYABLE, UNENJOYABLE, AMPLIFIED SOUND AFTER THOSE HOURS, THEY PROHIBIT IT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO OPPOSE, IS THE PRO IS THE PROHIBITING OF PLEASANT OR UN AND AND UNPLEASANT SOUND. 'CAUSE I, I, I DON'T LIKE THE UNPLEASANTNESS, I DON'T LIKE THE DISRUPTION AND THE DISTURBANCES EITHER. BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A MEDIUM WHERE IT CAN BE ENFORCED. WHEN PEOPLE ARE BAD ACTORS AND THEY'RE NOT, AND THEY'RE DISTURBING THE NEIGHBORS, THERE'S GOTTA BE A WAY TO ENFORCE THAT WITHOUT THROWING THE BABY AT WHAT? TELL US, FIND THEM. WE LOOKED YOU, IF YOU NEED TOOLS, GIVE, GIVE THE TOOLS THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THERE AND SAY, LOOK, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE DISTURBING THE PIECE. YOU'VE GOTTA TURN IT OFF. IF I GOTTA COME BACK AND YOU'RE NOT TURN IT OFF. IF THEY CAME TO MY HOUSE, THEY'D ASK ME THE SAME THING AND IF I DIDN'T TURN IT DOWN, THEY'RE GONNA COME BACK AND THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING TO ME. RIGHT. THEY'RE GONNA ARREST ME, THEY'RE GONNA FIND ME. THEY'RE GONNA CITE ME UNTIL I GET THE PICTURE. I COULD TURN IT UP AGAIN THE NEXT NIGHT AND, AND STILL GET ANOTHER ONE IF I WANTED TO. MY POINT IS, IS THIS IS NOT GONNA STOP THEM FROM DOING IT. IF THEY'RE ALREADY BEING ARRESTED AND BEING FINED AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT AFTER THAT, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THE SAME ENFORCEMENT? NO, THE PD HAS MORE JUDGMENT, THEY HAVE MORE TOOLS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ON THE THREE PAGES OF, UH, CITIZEN COMPLAINTS FROM MISSAL, TOE, MESQUITE, AND POND BEFORE THEY CAN GET IT. I'M SAYING YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT. YEAH. YOU SHOULD HAVE THAT TOOL TO WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ON THOSE THREE PAGES. RIGHT. THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT TOOL. JUST LIKE A RADAR GUN CATCHES YOU SPEEDING, YOU'RE GOING 70 AND A 60 AND WE DID INVEST EQUIPMENT. AND YOU'VE GOT THAT INVESTMENT. YOU GO OVER THERE AND YOU SAY, LOOK, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY DISTURBING THE PIECE. AND THEN YOU FIND THEM. AND, BUT AGAIN, WHAT THE HANG UP YOU HAVE IS PROGRESS. THE HANG UP YOU HAVE IS THE HOURS. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. THAT THAT'S, IT'S NOT THE IDEA THAT WE'RE PUTTING DECIMALS READINGS ON THERE OR ANY OF THE OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH THE ORDINANCE. IT'S JUST THAT THE HOURS IS, IS WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR ISSUE. CORRECT. 'CAUSE I REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE STILL GONNA HAVE THE PROBLEMS NO MATTER WHAT HOURS YOU PUT ON THERE. I UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA BYPASS THEM. WHAT THIS DOES, WHAT IT DOES, THE PART THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS WHAT PD IS ASKING FOR IS THE TOOLS TO BE ABLE TO BE PRO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF JUST REACTIVE IN, IN OTHER WORDS, THEY CAN, THEY CAN, IF THEY'RE DOING PATROL AND THEY, AND THEY SEE, HEAR LOUD NOISE, [01:10:01] THEY CAN PULL THE METER OUT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS ABOVE 75. THEY CAN STEP IN AND SHUT IT DOWN. CORRECT. WHAT, INSTEAD OF WAIT FOR SOMETHING, THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. AND SO WHAT YOUR HANGUP IS, THE HOURS OF THAT MUSIC CAN BE PLAYED OR WHATEVER. AND SO, UM, AGAIN, WE GOT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE MEAN THE, UH, THE FIRST READING IS IN FRONT OF US. WE CAN, UH, CHOOSE TO, UH, APPROVE THAT OR NOT TONIGHT, BUT THEN WE DO HAVE THE OPTION OF, WE HAVE A SECOND READING, UH, NEXT, UH, MEETING AND WE CAN MAKE CHANGES IN BETWEEN THERE OR NOT. UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME. LIKE I SAID, IF YOU JUST CONSIDER EXTENDING THOSE HOURS ONE MORE HOUR, I THINK YOU'D STILL HAVE THE SAME TOOLS. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL? SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO CAN I KNOW, SHERRY SAID WE CANNOT USE THE PERMIT WAY TO REGULATE THIS, BUT CAN WE ISSUE PERMITS TO BUSINESSES WHO WANT TO OPERATE OUTSIDE THESE HOURS ON DAYS? AND IF THEY ARE, UH, BAD ACTORS DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES, THEY PULL THE PERMITS, THEY DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT ANYMORE, SO THEY CAN'T DO IT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE WHOLE PERMIT SYSTEM. THAT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE, HE CAME COMPLICATED AND WE DECIDED TO TRY THIS FIRST. RIGHT. I'M NOT SAYING INSTEAD OF THIS, I'M SAYING HAVE THIS IN PLACE, BUT THEN ALLOW BUSINESSES TO VARIATE FROM THE HOURS AND DAYS WITH A PERMIT. AND IF THEY ARE NOT COMPLIANT WITH, UH, IF THEY CAUSE PROBLEMS WITH THE CITIZENS, THE PERMIT HAS THE PERMIT, THE PERMIT HAS TO BE THESE HOURS. THAT'S THE STATE LAW. THE PERMIT NEEDS TO BE THESE HOURS. AND YOU CAN'T SAY ONE BUSINESS IS ALLOWED TO GO LATER THAN ANOTHER BUSINESS. I MEAN, CERTAINLY WITH THIS YOU CAN GO STRICTER THAN YOU CAN GO. NOT STRICTER, LESS STRICT THAN THE STATE. YOU CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU CAN PLAY AS LOUD AS YOU WANT UNTIL MIDNIGHT OR ONE, IT GOES FOR EVERYBODY. YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE THIS BUSINESS. WE LIKE THIS BUSINESS HAS THE GOOD MUSIC. THEY CAN GO LATE. WE GIVE YOU A PERMIT TO GO LATE. EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THE SAME, EVERYBODY HAS TO HAVE THE SAME. AND, AND I DON'T WANT BUSINESSES TO HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY TO COME GET MORE PERMITS. AGAIN, IT GETS BACK TO EVERYBODY PLAYS BY THE SAME RULES. WE CAN'T. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. THANKS. THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE FIRST READING, UH, IN FRONT OF US. SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS. OKAY. THIS AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST READING. OKAY. SO WE MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. WE CAN STILL TWEAK YES. AS NEEDED. ALL RIGHT. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND, UH, CHAPTER 62 MISCELLANEOUS SENTENCES OF CITY OF LAKE JACKSON PHOTO ORDINANCES PROHIBIT, AMPLIFIED SOUNDS BEGINNING AT 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11:11 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND THAT WILL LIMIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS TO CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVELS AT ALL OTHER TIMES. OKAY. WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN SETH. I SECOND THAT SECOND BY COUNCILMAN HANYA. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR A VOTE OR IN FAVOR, SAY, AYE. THAT, THAT IS GONNA BE TWEAKED, HUH? RIGHT. THAT IS GONNA BE, WE CAN STILL DO THAT SECOND. WELL, THAT'S NOT THE MOTION. THE MOTION IS, IS TO ACCEPT IT. THE FIRST READING. OH, OKAY. THIS IS FIRST READING 'CAUSE THERE'S SECOND READING IS NEXT MEETING. OKAY. OKAY. SO ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. SO FIRST READING MR. WOOD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME IN COMING THROUGH. [4. Discuss and consider approval of a multi-year unit price contract with Lopez Utility Contractors, LLC, for sanitary sewer system rehabilitation services, with an initial expenditure of up to $3,000,000 as budgeted and an initial term through September 30, 2027. – Eric Wilson] ITEM FOUR, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MULTI-YEAR, UH, UNIT PRICE CONTRACT WITH LOPEZ UTILITY CONSTRUCTION, LLC FOR SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM REHABILITATION SERVICES WITH, UH, AN INITIAL EXPENDITURE OF UP TO $3 MILLION, UH, AS BUDGETED AS BUDGETED AND INITIAL TERM THROUGH, UH, SEPTEMBER, UH, 30TH, 2027. THANK YOU FOR THAT. ROUND NUMBER, . GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, BRINGING THIS ITEM FORWARD. TODAY IS ANOTHER MAJOR STEP IN OUR RECAPITALIZATION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF LAKE JACKSON. UH, THIS IS AN ITEM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF NOW. UH, AND THIS, AS IT IS STATED IN THE COMMUNICATION TO, UH, COUNCIL, IS GOING TO HELP US OPERATIONALLY IN OUR SANITARY SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, UH, PROLONGING THE LIFE OF, OF THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT WE HAVE MADE AND MINIMIZING OUR NEED TO EXPAND WHEN WE ARE NOT A GROWING CITY. [01:15:01] SO WHY DO WE TREAT RAINWATER? SO THIS IS ELIMINATING THAT. UH, WE USED THE COMPETITIVE SEALED PROPOSAL METHOD TO GET THIS, WHICH IS BOTH QUALIFICATIONS OF THE FIRM AND PRICING. IT WAS 60% QUALIFICATIONS, 40% PRICING. AND THE FIRM THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING LOPEZ, UH, UTILITY CON CONTRACTORS ACTUALLY RANKED HIGHEST IN BOTH HIGHEST RATINGS AND LOWEST PRICE. SO WE BELIEVE THIS IS, UH, A GOOD INVESTMENT IN THE CITY. AND AS WE GO THROUGH AND SEE THE IMPACT OF THIS, UH, IF WE DO EXPEND THE $3 MILLION, I, DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, WE WILL COME BACK FOR MORE. SO IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. SO THIS IS GOING TO, I, THIS IS GOING TO ADDRESS RAINWATER GETTING INTO OUR SEWER SYSTEMS. YES, SIR. ABOUT, UH, HOW DOES THAT HURT WHEN, WHEN YOU OVERLOAD THE SYSTEM, UH, IF THE SYSTEM IS FULL, IT CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE. YOU HAVE SANITARY SEWER OVERFLOWS. SO EITHER IT BACKS UP INTO YOUR HOUSE, COMES OUT OF A MANHOLE IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. YEAH. AND THEN WE'RE WORKING OUR PUMPS HARDER THAN THEY NEED TO. WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON CHEMICALS AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. MORE VOLUME. MORE VOLUME. SO HOW, WHAT ARE THEY, HOW ARE WE GONNA, WHAT, WHAT ARE THEY GONNA ACTUALLY DO? WELL, THE, THE BID DOCUMENT THAT WE PREPARED HAS, I THINK IT WAS 388 SEPARATE LINE ITEMS. AND IT'S BROKEN DOWN ON ECONOMY OF SCALING. I WILL JUST USE PIPE BURSTING. CORRECT. AS ONE EXAMPLE FROM ZERO TO 500 FEET IS X DOLLARS FROM 501 TO 1500 FEET IS WIDE DOLLARS. AND SO ON FROM FIXING A MANHOLE, A MANHOLE THAT'S FOUR FEET DEEP, COSTS THIS MUCH PER LINEAR FOOT, A MANHOLE THAT'S EIGHT FEET DEEP COSTS THIS MUCH PER LINEAR FOOT. AND THE, THE HIGHER THE VOLUME, THE ECONOMY OF SCALE DOES COME INTO PLAY. UH, AND AS WE, AS PART OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS OF THE PRICING, UH, OUR CONSULTANT CREATED SEVEN SAMPLE PROJECTS. JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKE UP A PROJECT AND LET'S SEE HOW THE NUMBERS COMPARE, UH, IN THAT SAMPLE PROJECT. AND TWO OF THOSE WERE ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT WERE DONE BY THE CITY. AND, UH, THE OVERALL NUMBERS THAT CAME IN LOPEZ WAS BY FAR THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OF THE GROUP. AND SO THIS IS GONNA BE ON OUR SIDE. YES, SIR. IT'S NOT ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. AND THE ONE THING WE DID ADD TO THIS THAT HASN'T BEEN IN MANY OF THESE TYPES OF, OF, UH, UNIT PRICE CONTRACTS IS SMOKE TESTING. RIGHT. SO IF WE GO THROUGH AN AREA AND WE FIX THE CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE SEE THAT WE DID NOT ACHIEVE THE REDUCTION IN FLOW THAT WE ANTICIPATED FOR THAT AREA, WE CAN COME BACK AND ISOLATE IT AND SMOKE TEST. UH, WHICH AT THAT POINT YOU'RE GONNA FIND EVERY BACKYARD CLEAN OUT THAT'S DRAINING A BACKYARD. YOU'RE GONNA FIND EVERY DOWNSPOUT THAT IS GOING INTO A CLEAN OUT. SO WE'LL SEE THE SMOKE COMING OUT AND THAT WILL HELP US IDENTIFY, OKAY, THIS HOUSE HERE HAS A PROBLEM. THIS HOUSE HERE HAS A PROBLEM AND WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING TO THE STATE AND ASKING FOR RESIDENTIAL ASSISTANCE SINCE WE, THE CITY CANNOT DO IT WHEN WE GO THAT FAR. AND, UH, WE FIND OUT THAT IT'S, UH, THAT THERE'S, UH, ILLEGAL TIE-INS, LIKE A DRAIN SPROUT GOING INTO THE SEWER. CAN WE MAKE SOMEBODY REMOVE THAT? YES. OKAY. HAVE WE USED, UH, LOPEZ UTILITY BEFORE? YES, WE HAVE. IT WAS MANY YEARS AGO BEFORE MY TIME. I'VE WORKED WITH THE OTHER TWO CONTRACTORS MM-HMM . UH, THAT PROPOSED. AND THIS COMPANY WAS ACTUALLY FOUNDED FROM A SPINOFF OF ONE OF THOSE OTHER COMPANIES. SO THIS $3 MILLION IS GONNA GET HOW MUCH OF THE CITY? IT DEPENDS ON THE TYPE OF REPAIR AND YEAH. WELL, IT'LL GET ABOUT FOUR MILES ON, THREE MILES TO FOUR MILES ON OUR MOST EXPENSIVE REPAIR METHOD. SO, SO HOW MANY MILES OF SEWER DO WE HAVE? 120 . ALMOST LIKE IT'S A STAR. ONE BITE AT A TIME. ONE BITE AT A TIME. TAKE CARE. THIS IS, THESE NOT ALL THE 120 MILES ARE WORSE. THESE ARE THE [01:20:01] YEAH. A LOT OF IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED THROUGH THE, THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS. WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE OLDEST AND MOST BRITTLE. UH, AND, YOU KNOW, TYING OFF OF THE WORK THAT, THAT THE CITY HAS DONE, UH, EXAMPLE BASIN 20, WHICH IS ONE THAT, UH, IT PICKS UP A LARGE PORTION OR ALL OF THE CITY TO THE SOUTH. BASICALLY THE AREA SURROUNDING, UH, PLANTATION SOUTH TO 2 88 AND THEN ACROSS THE HIGHWAY, A LOT OF THAT IS PLASTIC PIPE ALREADY. UH, AND AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH, WE DID BASIN 12 IN 24, IF YOU REMEMBER THAT PROJECT, I THINK IT WAS $1.2 MILLION BASIN 18 PUMPS INTO BASIN 12. THAT'S FLAG, THAT'S GARLAND, UH, FLAG LAKE AREA THAT OVER IN THERE. AND THEN, UH, THE OLD HEB WE ACTUALLY FOUND BECAUSE THAT PROJECT HAD BEEN DONE AND WE COULD NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE WERE STILL GETTING SO MUCH WATER INTO THAT BASIN. WELL, WE FOUND A CONNECTION TO THE OLD HEB SHOPPING CENTER THAT IS DRAINING THE DITCH ON PLANTATION. YEAH. SO IF WE GOT A ONE INCH RAIN, WE'RE DRAINING ALL OF HE'S PARKING LOT INTO THAT DITCH, WHICH IS COMING INTO THE SANITARY, WHICH IS OVERWHELMING BASIN 12 VOLUME. YEAH. VOLUME. SO IF I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THIS PRICING YOU HAVE IS UNIT PRICING. SO YOU CAN HAVE ANY JOB THE CITY REQUEST, AND THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO HONOR, HONOR THEIR PRICING PER LINEAR FOR JUST LIKE IF YOU HAD A FENCE, YOU WANTED $10 A FOOT SQUARE FOOT. SO NO MATTER WHERE YOU WANT TO USE THEM, THIS IS THE PRICING YOU'LL PAY UP TO $3 MILLION. YES, SIR. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A MULTI-YEAR UNIT PRICE CONTRACTED WITH LOPEZ UTILITY CONTRACT LLC FOR SANITATION SEWER SYSTEM, YOUR REHABILITATION SERVICE UP TO 3 MILLION AS BUDGET THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30, 20, 27. SECOND. ALRIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BUELL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR VOTE. ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. HAVE APPROVAL ON ITEM FOUR. [5. Discuss and consider a contract with GFL Environmental (formerly Sprint) to provide Rolloff services for the City of Lake Jackson in an amount not exceeding $250,000, as budgeted. – Eric Wilson] ALL RIGHT. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER, UH, GFL ENVIRONMENTAL, FORMERLY SPRINT TO PROVIDE ROLL OFF SERVICES FOR A CITY, LAKE JACKSON. THE AMOUNT NOT TO SEE $250,000 AS BUS. WHO'S GONNA HANDLE THIS? MODESTO, ERIC, UH, I SEE HIM PLAYING ROCK PAPER. SCISSORS IN THERE. YEAH. MAYOR COUNCIL, WE OPEN BIDS. UM, A COUPLE, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO NOW, UM, ON ROLL OFFS, WE HAD, UH, TWO PROVIDERS. ONE WE CONSIDER NON-RESPONSIVE, WHICH WAS, UH, WASTE, UH, MANAGE WASTE MANAGEMENT CONNECTION. I'M SORRY, CONNECTION. WASTE CONNECTIONS. WASTE CONNECTIONS. UM, THEY RESPONDED TO THE BID, BUT THEY GAVE US A PRICING THAT WAS A LUMP SUM AND IT WAS, IT WAS NOT HOW WE ASKED IT. AND IT WAS DIFFICULT TO, TO SEE IF, UH, THEY WERE SAVINGS OR NOT. WE DID DO A THOROUGH ANALYSIS. THEY WERE, THEY DID HAVE A SAVINGS, BUT WE STILL CONSIDER IT NON-RESPONSIVE. UM, WHERE SPRINT WAS RESPONSIVE IN THE WAY THAT WE ASKED, UH, THE PRICING, IT IS OVERALL A $10,000 SAVINGS FROM WHAT WE EXPECT, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR AND THE BUDGET. AND SO WE'RE STILL, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING, UH, SPRINT, UH, UH, FOR THIS TIME. UM, WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING A PRICE CHANGE ON ANY OF THE ROLL OFFS. UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'LL HAVE A LANDFILL FEE INCREASE THAT'LL EASILY GET WIPED UP NEXT YEAR WITH A $10,000, UH, SAVINGS. BUT OUT OF THE STILL THIS EXERCISE, I THINK STAFF IS STILL LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT LONG TERM. WE STILL MAKE IT OUT OF THE ROLL OFF, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS. WE'RE STILL, WE'RE STILL EVALUATING THAT. I THINK REALLY WHERE OUR, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WILL REALLY BE OUR WATERSHED MOMENT IS EQUIPMENT. WHEN WE HAVE TO BUY ANOTHER ROLL OFF AND STUFF AND MAKE AN INVESTMENT, THAT MAY BE THE TIME, UH, TO, TO, UH, TO GET OUT OF IT. UM, AGAIN, WE ARE, WE ARE COMING OUT AHEAD RIGHT NOW, BUT WHEN I TALK TO STAFF, WE STILL BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PROBABLY UNDERESTIMATING THE STAFF TIME ON THE CLERICAL SIDE, THE FRONT DESK OF SCHEDULING THE ACCOUNTING SIDE. UM, I THINK WE MAY BE UNDER SHORTING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THE STAFF, YOU [01:25:01] KNOW, YOU KNOW, PUTS, PUTS INTO IT. AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING BACK FROM. UH, YOU KNOW, THE SUP, YOU KNOW, THE SUPERVISORS. SO I THINK LONG TERM WE'RE STILL GONNA PUT THE STATE, WE'RE NOT PUTTING INTO BED THAT IT'S A FOR DONE DEAL THAT WE'LL ALWAYS STAY IN THE ROLL OFF BUSINESS. I THINK WE'LL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE IT. SO THIS IS JUST FOR THE ROLL OFF SERVICE THAT, UH, CONSTRUCTION, RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION OR THIS IS FOR WASTEWATER AS WELL? IT IS, IT IS A PRICE THAT WE CAN, WE, UH, USE FOR WASTEWATER THAT WE CAN STILL DO THEM, BUT WE STILL DO OUR OWN AS WELL. YEAH. WE, WE STILL HAUL, UH, CC CENTER, THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AS MANY OF THE COMMERCIAL ROLL OFFS AS WE CAN HANDLE. WE DO IN HOUSE WHEN WE CANNOT MEET THE LOAD VOLUME LOAD THAT WE'RE HAVING, THAT'S WHEN SPRINT COMES IN AND TAKES OVER. OR IF THERE IS A 40 YARD ROLL OFF, WHICH IS THE REALLY BIG ONES, OUR EQUIPMENT WILL NOT HANDLE THOSE. YOU HAVE 35 YARDERS. SO THEIR, THEY'RE PRIMARY FOR THOSE. WE IMMEDIATELY, IF SOMEBODY WANTS ONE, YOU NEED TO CALL SPRINT AT THIS PHONE NUMBER. UH, WHICH NO, IT'S, THEIR NAME HAS CHANGED. YEAH, IT'S STILL SCHEDULED THROUGH THE CITY. YES. IT'S STILL SCHEDULING THROUGH THE CITY. AND IF THE CITY HAS TO CALL 'EM, WELL YEAH, WE CALL 'EM. BUT YOU WANT A 40 YARD AT 1, 2 3 MAIN STREET. YEAH, WE'LL CALL AND SPRINT WILL, WE'LL TELL YOU WHEN SPRINT CAN COME OUT THERE AND SET THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. WELL I'M GLAD WE WENT OUT FOR BIDS. SO AT LEAST WE HAVE, WE'RE NOT STUCK WITH ONE VENDOR AND WE KNOW WHAT THE LANDSCAPE LOOKS LIKE. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING RIGHT NOW TO CONTINUE TO STAY WITH, UH, G-F-L-G-F-L ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, FOR THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $250,000. AND AGAIN, THIS 250,000 IS STILL, YOU KNOW, REIMBURSED FROM REVENUES THAT WE BILL THE CUSTOMER. I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. AND THAT IS, IF YOU TOOK THE, UM, RESIDENTIAL LIKE BUSINESSES GETTING ROLL OFF DUMPSTERS, CAN WE CURRENTLY MANAGE OUR OWN WITHOUT CALLING SPRINT? OR DO WE AS CITY STILL CONTACT SPRINT OKAY. HANDLING IF, IF THE EQUIPMENT IS UP AND RUNNING. OKAY. WE CAN HANDLE OUR, OUR OUR OWN, THE, THE OWN, OUR OWN VOLUME. THE CITY STAFF. YES. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON, UH, THIS ITEM? THIS IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE, UH, UH, CONTRACT WITH, UH, GFL ENVIRONMENTAL. TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONTRACT WITH GFL ENVIRONMENTAL, UH, TO PROVIDE ROLL OFF SURFACES FOR CITY OF LAKE JACKSON IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED 250,000 AS BUDGETED. RIGHT. HAVE MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SETH. SECOND. SECOND BY MR. BAKER. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR VOTE. ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. I [6. Discuss and consider adding Veterans Day (November 11) to the City’s holiday schedule. – Mayor Roznovsky] SIX. DISCUSS. CONSIDER ADDING A VETERAN DAY NOVEMBER 11TH TO CITY HOLIDAY SCHEDULE. AND AGAIN, THIS WAS, UH, UH, COUNCILWOMAN SETH, UH, BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME. UH, I WASN'T AWARE IT WAS, I WAS NOT A, UH, CITY HOLIDAY FOR CITY EMPLOYEES. AND, UH, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, CORRECT THAT AND MAKE THAT A, UH, CITY HOLIDAY, PAID HOLIDAY MAYOR, BEING A VETERAN, I MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS VETERAN VETERAN'S DAY BE ATED NOVEMBER 11TH FOR THE CITY TO LAY JACKSON EMPLOYEES. ALRIGHT, I'LL TAKE THAT AS A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION. AND BY MR. BU, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN SETH. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? CALL FOR VOTE. ALL FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. A ANY OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, DONE. [7. New Business Updates – David Walton] WHO BUSINESS? DAVE AND DAVE. GOOD EVENING. MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BAD GUY PICKING UP POLITICAL SIGNS. I GOT PHONE CALLS. I JUST RELOCATED IT. RELOCATED. YES. UM, AND ON THE VETERAN DAY, WE START THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR? THIS YEAR. OKAY. UH, AS FAR AS NEW BUSINESSES ARE CONCERNED, YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, TAKE FIVE OIL CHANGE AND, UM, SEVEN BREW COFFEE ARE ON THE CUSP OF THOSE BUILDINGS. WENT UP QUICK. THOSE BUSINESSES SHOULD BE OPEN SOON. UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, UH, SEVEN BREW COFFEE IS LOOKING FOR A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY NEXT WEEK WITH AN OPENING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH IS WHAT THEY HAVE, UH, ANTICIPATED TO US. UM, [01:30:01] YOU'LL ALSO, UH, NOTE THAT, UM, THE CONVENIENCE STORE OVER ON THAT WAY IS STILL GETTING CLOSER TO BEING OPENED. HURRICANE WINGS IS STILL ON THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE OPENED SINCE THE LAST TIME. UH, UH, WE MET. THEY, UM, HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL KICKOFF AND, UH, THEY ARE, UH, DOING VERY WELL. UM, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR SOME PROJECTS TO START, SUCH AS THE AMERICA'S BEST EYEGLASSES. UM, AND, UH, WAITING FOR SOME PROJECTS TO CONTINUE ON IN THEIR PROGRESSION SUCH AS NEW HOPE CHURCH AND THE APARTMENTS BEHIND THE BUCKY'S. SO THERE WAS A, THE, THE ER, THE UH, YES SIR. THEY WERE SO GUNG HO AND COMING AND PUTTING UP SIGNS ALREADY. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING THERE, SO. YES SIR. WELL, NO, THEY'RE, THEY ACTUALLY ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF, OF WORKING WITH US ON, UH, UH, CORRECTIONS TO THE BUILDING PLANS. SO THAT HAS NOT STOPPED. UH, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY, AS THEY WORK THROUGH A PROJECT TO THE SCOPE OF A LITTLE MICRO HOSPITAL, WHICH IS NEW TO US, WE'RE STILL MAKING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE PLANS AND THAT THEY UNDERSTAND OUR, UH, PERMIT REQUIREMENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITY BEHIND THE SCENES ON THAT, THAT PROJECT. DID THE, IS THAT THE ONE BY CHICKEN EXPRESS? YES. CORRECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. CITY MANAGER, STAFF UPDATES, ANYTHING? I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING. STAFF. NO, SIR. MY COMPUTER'S RESTARTED SIX TIMES. MAYBE STABLE NOW. ALRIGHT. ANY ACTIONS FROM TONIGHT? NO, SIR. JUST BRINGING BACK, UH, THE ORDINANCE ON THE SOUND AND THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST] ALL RIGHT. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. WE'LL START WITH MR. BAKER. NO, SIR. MR. SCHOOLER? NO, SIR. SETH, I'VE GOT A SO QUESTION, CAN I ASK YOU A SO QUESTION? IT DEPENDS. AND THERE'S, I'M SURE SHERRY'S LOOKING AT YOU, SO KEEP IT, KEEP IT, IT'S AN ITEM OF COMMUNITY INTEREST KIND OF. SO THE CONCRETE DITCH THAT RUNS ALONG, I GUESS IT'S CENTER WAY RIGHT THERE. UM, IT IS FULL OF WATER, LIKE NON-MOVING WATER. AND THAT RUNS ALONG CENTER WAY, CENTER WAY OR CIRCLE WAY, CIRCLE WAY. RIGHT THERE BY THE, IN FRONT OF HOME, HOME. TWO SUITES. THAT CONCRETE DITCH DITCH THAT RUNS. YES. CORRECT. WHERE DOES ALL THAT WATER COME FROM? WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF RAIN. IT LOOKS LIKE STAGNANT WATER. YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE. I REALLY, UH, EVERY TIME THAT I GO THROUGH THERE, UH, GOING THROUGH THE INSPECTION DEALS, I'VE ACTUALLY, I'VE ACTUALLY GOT AN ANSWER FOR THIS. YOU HAD A CHANCE TO BLAME THAT ON A ? YEAH, A TON. NO, I ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THAT THE OTHER DAY. UH, 'CAUSE THEY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION. AND WE DO HAVE SOME SEDIMENT BUILD UP, UH, WHERE THE SAND CAME FROM. I DON'T KNOW, BUT AS YOU APPROACH OAK, UH, THERE'S A LITTLE SANDBAR THERE THAT'S HOLDING EVERYTHING BACK. OH, OKAY. SO WE NEED TO GET BACK IN THERE. I JUST DRIVE IT PAST EVERY DAY AND I'M LIKE, WHY IS THAT JUST SITTING HERE. SO WE DIDN'T, WE NEED, WE NEED TO GET THE SAND OUT OF IT AGAIN. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. UH, THANK YOU VANESSA. WE'RE GETTING ALL THAT, UH, FOR SALES SIGN, UH, LAND OLD HEB AREA. IT'S ALL CLEARED OUT. IT'S REALLY NICE. IT WAS VERY OVERGROWN. SO WHOEVER'S RESPONSIBLE OF GETTING THAT DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. MR. BURELL? NO, SIR. ALRIGHT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. ERNEST, SIR. YOUR FOLKS ALRIGHT. THAT'LL BE IT. WE'RE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.