* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL [00:00:01] RIGHT, SIX 30, GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. UH, BE IT KNOWN THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF CITY OF LAKE JACKSON WILL MEET ON MONDAY, MARCH 16TH, 2026, IN REGULAR SESSION AT 6:30 PM AT 25 OAK DRIVE, LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS LAKE, JACKSON CITY HALL, IN THE ALICE ROGERS COUNCIL CHAMBERS. UH, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME TELL EVERYBODY WELCOME. I'M GLAD EVERYBODY'S HERE TONIGHT. UM, AND LET'S GET STARTED TONIGHT WITH OUR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THAT WILL BE LED BY COUNCILMAN HANNO. EVERYBODY WITH STAND, PLEASE THANK ALLEGIANCE, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR WHICH HANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD AND INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL TEXAS STAGE UNDER GOD ONE. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN. NOW LET'S MOVE ON WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY COUNCILMAN ELL. LET US PRAY. YOU HAVE NEW FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER THIS EVENING. AND AS OUR MEETING CONTINUES AND DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE, WE ASK THAT, THAT YOU GIVE US THE STRENGTH, WISDOM, AND COURAGE TO MAKE A DECISION THAT IS BEST INTEREST OF OUR, OUR RESIDENTS, AND OUR OUR CITY. PLEASE BE WITH OUR EMT FOLKS, FIRE AND POLICE PERSONNEL, BE WITH OUR MEN AND WOMEN WITH OUR ARMED FORCES, AND BE WITH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US AS WE TRAVEL HOME. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE GONNA START [PRESENTATIONS ] THIS EVENING MEETING WITH A PRESENTATION BY LIGHT FIBER, FIBER RESIDENTIAL INTERNET INSTALLATION. UH, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME'S MARK EICHENBAUM, AND I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF GOVERNMENT RELATIONS AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR LIGHT FIBER. WE'LL GET THIS SET UP. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT, AND LET'S SEE IF I CAN DO THIS. ALRIGHT, SO, LIGHT FIBER. UH, WE ARE A HOUSTON BASED COMPANY, UH, AND WE WERE FOUNDED TO GO AFTER SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED CITIES WHERE THE CURRENT INTERNET PROVIDERS AND CABLE PROVIDERS HAVE NEGLECTED TO MAKE REALLY ANY MEANINGFUL, UM, INVESTMENTS IN YEARS, IF NOT DECADES. UH, I'M FROM A SMALL TOWN IN TEXAS, MYSELF, AND MY DAD WAS PRESIDENT OF THE SCHOOL BOARD, AND HE IS A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN. YOU NAME IT, HE DID IT. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY PARENTS WOULD MOVE ME IN A HEARTBEAT IF THEY FELT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES AS THE OTHER KIDS. AND RIGHT NOW, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LIVE IN ANGLETON OR CLUE TO GET FIBER INTERNET. IT SHOULD BE RIGHT HERE IN LAKE JACKSON AS WELL. AND THAT AND, UH, BEGINNING TODAY, THIS WEEK, UH, WE ARE ARE GONNA BE BUILDING THE FIRST RESIDENTIAL, UH, CITYWIDE FIBER INTERNET NETWORK TO POWER, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, ACCESSIBILITY TO HEALTHCARE, UH, AND, UM, UH, AND EDUCATION THAT'S NEEDED IN THE 21ST CENTURY. WE, UH, WE'RE RELATIVELY NEW COMPANY. WE STARTED OUR FIRST BUILD IN OCTOBER OF 2024. UH, AND, UH, SINCE THEN, WE'VE BEEN GOING TO MILE MINUTE. WE HAVE BUILT OUT BAYTOWN KINGSVILLE, MARSHALL VALDI, UH, WE'RE BUILDING OUT THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF MARION COUNTY, TEXAS, NAVERO COUNTY, TEXAS. UH, WE'RE IN ABOUT 20 DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES ALL ACROSS, UH, ALL ACROSS THE STATE. UH, WE FOCUS ON THOSE AREAS, LIKE I SAID, THAT DO NOT HAVE FIBER AVAILABILITY. UH, ALTHOUGH WE'RE A RELATIVELY NEW COMPANY, OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM HAS OVER 200 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN PROVIDING FIBER TO THE HOME SERVICES. UH, WE ARE A LICENSED PUBLIC UTILITY COMPANY HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE HAVE OVER 9 MILLION FEET IN OUR DEVELOPMENT PIPELINE RIGHT NOW. NOW, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, UH, WE ARE, WE'RE NOT A NATIONAL BRAND. WE'RE A LOCAL BRAND. OUR NAME IS NOT ON SPORTS STADIUMS. OUR NAMES ARE ON THE BACK LITTLE LEAGUE JERSEYS, AND THAT'S WHO WE ARE AS A COMPANY. AND OUR COMMITMENT, OUR GOAL IS TO BE THE HEB OF INTERNET PROVIDERS. AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? THAT MEANS HYPER-LOCAL FOCUS, SPONSORING, PARTNERING WITH THE CITY, PARTNERING, SPONSORING LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. THAT MEANS, UH, WHEN THERE'S A NEED, WE'RE THERE WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT ALSO MEANS THAT SOMETIMES WE'RE THE CHEAPEST. SOMETIMES WE'RE NOT THE CHEAPEST, UH, BUT WE ARE ALWAYS THE BEST VALUE, UH, AND THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. UM, THIS NETWORK IS GONNA BE A HUNDRED PERCENT FIBER OPTIC. WHAT DO WE MEAN BY THAT? THERE'S A LOT OF CABLE COMPANIES THAT SAY THEY DO FIBER, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S FIBER TO A NODE. AND FROM THIS MAGICAL NODE GOES CABLE TO YOUR HOME. SO YOU'RE ONLY AS FAST AS THE SLOWEST TECHNOLOGY IN YOUR NETWORK. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING A FIRE HOSE, THEN THAT GOES [00:05:01] TO A GARDEN HOSE TO YOUR HOUSE. IT'S STILL GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE WATER THAT CAN GO THROUGH A GARDEN HOSE, NOT THE WATER THROUGH THE FIRE HOSE. FOR US, WE'RE GONNA HAVE FIRE HOSE ALL THE WAY TO THE PERSON'S HOUSE. HIGH SPEED. UH, FIBER, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE DOING OVER 10,000 LOCATIONS HERE IN THE CITY. THAT'S INCLUDING OVER 5,600 RESIDENTIAL, UH, LOCATIONS. WE'RE A RESIDENT FIRST, UH, COMPANY. UM, THIS MIGHT BE THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT IT. MET WITH THE CITY THOUGH, NINE MONTHS AGO. AND SO FAR, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY, REALLY CLOSE WITH THE CITY. WANNA REALLY APPRECIATE EDDIE HERRERA. HE'S BEEN AMAZING. UH, OUR TEAM, UH, HAVE BEEN, UH, WORKING WITH HIM AND RAY AS WELL. WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE SUPPORT THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED. UH, TO DO THIS, IT'S A HERCULEAN EFFORT OVER 90 MILES, UH, OF FIBER, AND WE'RE PUTTING IT ALL UNDERGROUND. LOOK, OUR HEADQUARTERS IN HOUSTON HERE ON THE GULF COAST, JUST LIKE LAKE JACKSON, WE BELIEVE IN CREATING WEATHER RESILIENT NETWORKS. THAT'S OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. SO EVEN IN LOW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REQUIRE IT TO BE UNDERGROUND, IF THERE'S ANY PART OF THAT NETWORK CONNECTING IT THAT IS AERIAL, MIGHT BE AERIAL TO THAT UNDERGROUND SECTION. IT'S STILL SUSCEPTIBLE. OUR NETWORK IS A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERGROUND, AND WE DO THAT TO BUILD A REALLY RESILIENT NETWORK, UM, CONSTRUCTION STARTING THIS WEEK, AND WE HAVE A PRETTY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE. UH, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, ENTIRE PROJECT TO BE DONE IN SIX MONTHS. THIS WILL REPRESENT, UH, OVER $10 MILLION INVESTMENT THAT WE ARE MAKING, UH, IN LAKE JACKSON FOR YEARS. THE BIG COMPANIES AND THE CURRENT INCUMBENTS NEGLECTED TO MAKE THOSE IN INVESTMENTS. WE THINK LAKE JACKSON IS WORTHY OF THAT. WE ARE SURPRISED. LAKE JACKSON DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE CITYWIDE RESIDENTIAL FIBER. AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE INVESTING $2 MILLION IN THE CITY. UM, OUR NETWORK, UH, WILL HAVE SPEEDS CAPABLE UP TO 10, UH, GIGABYTES. IT'S SYMMETRICAL SPEEDS. A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I GOT A GIG AT HOME. THAT'S A, THAT'S A GIG AND DOWNLOAD. BUT NOW PEOPLE START CARING ABOUT THE UPLOAD. THE UPLOAD IS HOW YOU CAN DO VIDEO CONFERENCING AND DO A LOT, UH, UH, DO, UM, UH, A LOT OF THE NEW DEMANDS OF THE 21ST CENTURY. IF YOU PAY FOR A GIG SERVICE WITH US, IT'S A GIG DOWN AND IT'S A GIG UP. UM, IT'S THE LATEST TECHNOLOGY. FIBER IS THE FASTEST. FIBER IS THE MOST RELIABLE. UM, AND, UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT UNDERGROUND, BUT WE'RE ALSO BUILDING LITTLE RINGS IN THE CITY. SO IF THERE'S A FIBER CUT, WE CAN JUST REROUTE AND THE, AND THE INTERNET CAN STAY ON. SO HOW CAN WE BUILD IN MULTIPLE LAYERS OF RESILIENCY IN OUR NETWORK? SO MAKE SURE THAT IT NEVER GOES OFF. ONE WAY IS TO THAT RING REDUNDANCY. ANOTHER WAY IS, IS WE HOOK TO HIGHWAYS OF FIBER TO CONNECT THE NETWORK. HERE IN THE CITY, WE USE TWO DIFFERENT HIGHWAYS COMING FROM TWO DIFFERENT SOURCES. ONCE AGAIN, IF ONE OF THOSE HIGHWAYS GOES OUT OF FIBER, WE PULL THE, THE, UH, THE FIBER FROM THE OTHER HIGHWAY. ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER LAYER OF REDUNDANT, UH, REDUNDANCY. AND THEN WHERE THOSE HIGHWAYS CONNECT, THE CITY NETWORK, WE HAVE CABINETS. THOSE CABINETS WILL HAVE DUAL BACKUP POWER. WE'LL HAVE BACKUP POWER IN BATTERY FORM AND BACKUP POWER, UH, IN GAS GENERATORS. SO IF THE POWER GOES OUT AND OUR NETWORK IS POWERING A CELL PHONE TOWER OR POWERING SOMEBODY'S HOUSE WITH A GENERATOR, THEY WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET THE INTERNET EVEN WHEN THE POWER GOES OUT. UH, WE'RE ALSO A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN HOW WE HANDLE OUR CUSTOMERS. OUR PRICING IS ALL INCLUSIVE. WE ARE ON A QUEST TO GET RID OF FINE PRINT. YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE A LAWYER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SHOULD ARE GONNA BE PAYING FOR YOUR FIBER BILL OR YOUR INTERNET BILL. AND SO, UH, THERE'S NO PRICING GAMES OR GIMMICKS, NO TEASER RATES THAT MAGICALLY DOUBLE SIX MONTHS LATER. UH, MOST OF OUR, UM, OUR PACKAGES ARE FIXED PRICING FOR LIFE, NO CONTRACTS. UH, OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE BASED RIGHT HERE ON THE TEXAS GULF COAST GOAL IS A REAL PERSON ANSWERS IN 30 SECONDS. UH, WHEN YOU CALL, UH, OUR IN-HOUSE INSTALLATION TECHNICIANS, WE DON'T CONTRACT THAT OUT. IF WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING SOMEBODY GO INTO THE SANCTITY OF YOUR HOUSE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHO THEY ARE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE BACKGROUND CHECKED. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE PERFORMING AT OUR HIGH STANDARDS THAT THE COMPANY SETS. SO THOSE PEOPLE GOING INSIDE, UH, UH, RESIDENCE'S HOUSE TO DO, UH, THE, UH, INSTALLATIONS, UH, THOSE ARE OUR OWN EMPLOYEES. UH, WE HAVE THE HIGHEST RATING OF ANY, UH, INTERNET COMPANY IN THE STATE, 4.9 STARS ON GOOGLE. UH, AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY WORKED HARD, UH, TO KEEP. UM, AND OUR PRICING, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AFRAID TO LET FOLKS KNOW WHAT OUR PRICING IS. UH, THE, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS INCLUDES YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ADDITIONAL MONEY FOR A ROUTER. THIS IS, INCLUDES ALL THE EQUIPMENT, INSTALLATION, EVERYTHING. THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL SALES TAXES OR ANY, UH, FEES THAT WE'RE GONNA PUT ON THIS. UH, AND ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU DO THE ONE GIG OR THE 300, THAT'S 300 [00:10:01] DOWNLOAD AND UPLOAD SPEEDS. NO DATA CAPS, NO CONFUSING, UH, BUNDLES. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE HYPER, HYPER-LOCAL. AND THAT MEANS THAT 1% OF ALL OUR GROSS REVENUE IN THE CITY WILL GO BACK TO NONPROFITS IN THE CITY. NOW, 1% DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT, BUT IT ADDS UP. AND THERE'S NO OTHER TELECOMMUNICATIONS COMPANY, UH, GIVEN THAT 1%, UH, GIVE BACK. THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR MARKETING BUDGET. THIS IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE. IT'S PART OF OUR DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIND SOME LOCATIONS. THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FREE PUBLIC WIFI, AND WE WOULD, UH, LOVE TO PROVIDE THAT THERE. AND THEN IF THE CITY HAS ANY HOPES OR DREAMS FOR THE FUTURE, AND HOW IT HAS CONNECTIVITY, WE ARE A, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY OF ENGINEERS LOVE TO PROVIDE, UH, PRO BONO SERVICES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO MAKE THE REALITY, HOW TO MAKE THAT A REALITY. AND EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO THINGS FOR FREE, WE CAN, UH, YOU KNOW, CREATE NETWORKS, DO PUBLIC WIFI, EVEN AT COST. UM, SO, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT HERE. UH, WE WILL BE DOING, UH, OUR CONSTRUCTION IN THE RARE, MAINLY IN THE RARE UTILITY EASEMENT. UH, SO BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOUSES, THAT'S WHERE THE CITY HAS ITS UTILITY EASEMENT. NOW, UM, SOMETIMES EVEN THOUGH THAT'S AN EASEMENT, PEOPLE'S FENCES ENCOMPASS IT. SO MOST OF THE TIME WE WILL BE OUTSIDE OF PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS, BUT SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS ENCOMPASS THAT UTILITY EASEMENT, WE WILL HAVE TO GO IN THAT PERSON'S BACKYARDS. NOW, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS SURPRISE FOLKS. I CAN TELL YOU I HATE WAKING UP AND MY ELECTRICAL COMPANY, I WON'T NAME ANY NAMES AS IN THE CLOAK OF DARKNESS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, PUT SPRAY PAINT DOWN, PUT FLAGS IN MY YARD, AND I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT'S GOING DOWN ON. WE'RE VERY DIFFERENT. WE BELIEVE IN TRANSPARENCY AND COMMUNICATION. AND SO WE WILL BE COMMUNICATING, UH, WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS. WE'LL BE PUTTING DOOR HANGERS ON THEIR DOORS, UH, TO LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE WILL BE COMING, WHAT, UH, TO LEAVE THEIR FENCES UNLOCKED, WHO WILL BE THERE, HOW THEY CAN CALL TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE PEOPLE ARE WITH LIGHT FIBER. IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, IF THEY HAVE ANY ISSUES, WHO TO CONTACT. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE OUR CUSTOMER. SO IT BEHOOVES US TO BE THE BEST, UH, YOU KNOW, PARTNER IN CONSTRUCTING OUR NETWORK AS POSSIBLE. SO, UM, WE WILL, UH, AFTER THOSE NOTICES ARE GIVEN, UH, WE'LL CALL IN LOCATES, UH, LOCATES WILL BE DONE BY OTHER UTILITY PROVIDERS THAT MAY HAVE, UH, ASSETS, UH, IN THAT RARE EASEMENT. UH, AND THEN, UH, WE WILL BE, UH, DOING CONSTRUCTION. UH, IF PEOPLE'S, UH, BACKYARDS ARE LOCKED, WE WON'T BE GOING IN. THERE'S AN ANIMAL WE WON'T BE GOING IN. UH, THAT'S KIND OF COMMON SENSE. AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THOSE HOMEOWNERS. IT'S REALLY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF A CONSTITUENT CALLS YOU, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. UH, MY COLLEAGUE, UH, RILEY BEN WALLACE IS HERE. WE WILL BE LETTING YOU KNOW WHEN, UH, WHERE WE GO IN THE CITY, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SURE TO KNOW. WE'LL ALSO BE HOSTING A PUBLIC MEETING HERE. SO TO ENCOURAGE YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO ATTEND. UH, I'M ALSO JOINED, UH, BY, UH, CHRIS NU, UH, CHRIS IS OUR, UH, LOCAL GENERAL MANAGER. UH, SO, UH, YOU'LL BE SEEING A LOT OF CHRIS, UH, IF YOU HAVE ISSUES, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, IF YOU HAVE, UH, REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT YOU WANT SPONSORED. IF YOU HAVE IDEAS FOR US, UH, CHRIS, UH, IS YOUR MAN. I'M ALSO JOINED, UH, GEORGE, UH, JOINED BY GEORGE ATIAN. UH, GEORGE IS OUR SENIOR DIRECTOR OVER CONSTRUCTION. UH, WE TOLD GEORGE HOW BEAUTIFUL THE CITY WAS. HIS MASTER PLAN AS A PUBLIC CITY EVER GETS SUPER IMPRESSED. GEORGE SAID, I'M COMING DOWN FOR THIS MEETING BECAUSE US BEING A GOOD CONSTRUCTION PARTNER IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN LASTLY, I'M JOINED BY JEFF WILLIAMS. UH, ONE OTHER DIFFERENT THING ABOUT US IS, ALTHOUGH LIKE MOST UTILITY COMPANIES, WE USE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION, WE DON'T BELIEVE IN SUBCONTRACTING OUT ACCOUNTABILITY. SO WE HAVE OUR OWN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT TEAM, UH, THAT WILL BE HERE ON SITE, MAKING SURE THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, AND SOLVING ANY ISSUES THAT COME UP. OUR, UH, ONSITE LOCAL, UH, CONSTRUCTION MANAGER IS JEFF WILLIAMS. UH, AND SO, UH, WHEN YOUR RESIDENTS CALL IN OUR ONE 800 NUMBER WITH AN ISSUE OR A QUESTION, IT GETS ROUTED TO JEFF. AND JEFF IS THE MAN WHO WILL GO MEET WITH THE CONSTITUENTS. HE WILL GO, UH, AND DEAL WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND DEAL WITH ANY ISSUES THAT MIGHT ARISE. UM, UH, FOLKS MIGHT BE SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A STUBBED UP FIBER, UH, THAT, UH, THERE'S NO ELECTRICITY IN FIBER. IT'S GLASS, IT'S LIGHT PASSING THROUGH GLASS. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. WHEN YOU SEE STUBBED UP FIBER COMING OUT FROM THE GROUND, THAT MEANS THAT SERVICE IS REALLY CLOSE. UH, WE WILL BE BACK TO BURY IT. AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE WILL DO RESTORATION. SO FOLKS MIGHT SEE, WE MIGHT COVER, MIGHT HAVE TO DIG DOWN TO HAVE OUR EYES. PEOPLE WILL SEE SOME DIRT, UH, IN THE REAR EASEMENT. UM, WE'LL COVER THE, ANY HOLES BEFORE WE LEAVE. BUT THEN THERE MIGHT BE LIKE, WHERE'S THE GRASS? WE WILL BE BACK BY STATE LAW. UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, LEAVE IT IN THE SAME, IF NOT BETTER [00:15:01] CONDITION THAN IT WAS BEFORE. AND EVEN IF, EVEN IF IT WASN'T A STATE LAW, IT'S COMMON SENSE, IT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD DO. UM, SO HERE WE ARE. WE'VE ALREADY DONE OUR FIELDING. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON OUR DESIGN WORK. UH, LIKE I SAID, I FIRST MET WITH THE CITY NINE MONTHS AGO, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSE WITH THE CITY SINCE THEN. UM, UH, WE ARE HAVING, UM, WE'VE, UH, MEETING WITH YOU GUYS TONIGHT. WE'LL BE HAVING OUR, UH, PUBLIC MEETING, UH, SHORTLY, SOMETHING CHRIS IS WORKING ON. UH, AND THEN CONSTRUCTION IS STARTING, LIKE I SAID THIS WEEK. UM, WE TYPICALLY PUT, UH, SIGNS IN NEIGHBORHOODS TO LET FOLKS KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHO TO CALL IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THE CITY, UH, UH, DOES NOT ALLOW THAT, BUT, UH, IF THE CITY CHANGES ITS MIND, UH, WE'RE ALWAYS UP FOR THAT. IF THE CITY HAS OTHER IDEAS TO COMMUNICATE, WE'RE ALWAYS UP FOR THAT. UH, YOUR SUGGESTIONS, UM, YOU MET OUR CONSTRUCTION MANAGER, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA BE CALLING 8 1 1 AND ALL THE LOCATES IN BEFORE DOING ANY CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE A STABLE OF EXCELLENT, UH, CONTRACTORS. BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU SEE SOMETHING, UH, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE, LET ME KNOW. WE WANNA RECTIFY IT VERY QUICKLY, EVEN IF IT HAS TO DO WITH ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS. AND THEN IF I WAS TO TELL YOU, EVERYTHING WOULD BE PERFECT AND THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEMS, UH, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY TAR AND FEATHER ME OUTTA TOWN. THE REALITY IS, IS MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF THERE'LL BE AN ISSUE, IT'S A QUESTION OF WHEN THERE REST ASSURED. UH, WE WANT TO EARN YOUR TRUST, SO PLEASE JUDGE US ON HOW WE RESPOND TO THE, THE INEVITABLE ISSUES. UM, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BUILDING THAT TRUST WITH YOU. WHENEVER THERE'S A STRIKE, UH, ON INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMETIMES IT'S OUR FAULT. AND THEN WHEN IT'S OUR FAULT, WE TAKE CARE OF IT. AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT OUR FAULT, BUT WE DO FULL INVESTIGATIONS EACH TIME WE WORKING, REPORTING TO THE CITY AND LETTING YOU KNOW. SO, UM, WE, UH, ARE GONNA BE STARTING, UH, IN THE STREETS NORTH OF ROBERTS ELEMENTARY. UH, AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER THAT, UH, WE'LL BE, UH, IN MANY OTHER LOCATIONS AT THE CITY. LIKE I SAID, SIX MONTHS, UH, WE WILL BE COMMUNICATING, UH, WITH YOU, BUT, UH, WE ARE REALLY EXCITED. UM, EVEN IF, EVEN IF WE'RE PRIVATELY FUNDING THIS ALL OURSELVES, IT'S STILL A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. UH, THESE MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TAKE A LOT FROM THE CITIES. WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING AN INVALUABLE PARTNER OF YOURS. UH, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING FIBER INTERNET AT AFFORDABLE PRICES AND BLAZING FAST SPEEDS TO THE RESIDENTS OF LAKE JACKSON. UH, ANY, SORRY FOR TALKING SO LONG. UH, ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I SIT? WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR THE INVESTMENT IN LAKE JACKSON. UM, WHEN ALL THE CONSTRUCTION IS SAID AND DONE, WILL YOU GUYS HAVE A LOCAL OFFICE HERE? UH, WE HAVE, UH, OUR HEADQUARTERS SUBSTATION. YEAH, YEAH, OUR HEADQUARTERS UP IN HOUSTON. OKAY. UH, AND SO AND SO IS OUR, UM, UH, REGIONAL, UH, HEADQUARTERS AS WELL FOR THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA. UH, SO, BUT WE'RE A HOPS. IT'S OUR, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BETTER IS, IS HAVING THAT HEADQUARTERS HERE IN THE GULF COAST. AND THEN, UH, CHRIS, OUR GENERAL MANAGER, IS JUST A SHORT DRIVE DOWN. OKAY. UH, YOU KNOW, WE DO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO HIRE LOCALLY, UH, AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING, UH, FOR GREAT FOLKS. AND THAT'S SOMETHING, UH, WE LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING HIRING FAIRS DOWN HERE. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK ON WITH THE CITY, UH, TO, TO HELP PUBLICIZE SO THAT WE CAN HIRE, UH, LAKE JACKSON FOLKS. WE ARE EXCITED THAT OUR NETWORK IS COMPLETELY DESIGNED, ENGINEERED, BUILT, AND OPERATE BY TEXANS, UH, FOR TEXANS AND SOMETHING WE'RE VERY PROUD OF. I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU. YES, SIR. WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR BASIC GOING RATE IS GONNA BE? YEAH, SO, SO A HOUSEHOLD, RIGHT? SO, UH, IT CAN, UH, GO AS LOW AS $60. UH, IT WAS A 60 OR 65, YOU GOTTA HELP ME HERE. IT'S 60. BUT OUR, OUR AVERAGE RATE IS $80. UH, THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S AVERAGE, BECAUSE PEOPLE GET THE TWO AND A HALF GIG PLAN, RIGHT? SO THESE ARE OUR RATES, UH, 300, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE, WE CAN DO 10 GIGABYTES, YOU'LL NEVER SEE US SELLING IT. UH, IN FACT, UH, WE'D LOVE IT, UH, WHEN, YOU KNOW, HOUSEHOLDS ARE USING A TON OF INTER YET GET 2.5, BUT A LOT OF FOLKS, WE'RE NOT GONNA SELL YOU SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED. DON'T NEED IT. AND SO, UM, UH, BUT THE PRICING HERE, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, YOU WON'T BE SURPRISED. THERE'S NO ADD-ONS THAT YOU GOTTA BUY TO MAKE THE INTERNET WORK FOR YOUR HOUSE. AND ALSO, UH, WHILE YOU, UH, EMPLOYEES ARE OUT DOING THE, UH, CONSTRUCTIONS IN THE BACKYARDS AND STUFF. YES, SIR. SO HOW WOULD THEY BE DRESSING? HOW WOULD WE KNOW THAT THEY, THAT'S THE KIND OF WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING? YEAH, SO, UH, SO, UH, THE FIRST THING IS, IS, UH, EMPLOYEES WILL BE DOING THE DOOR HANGER, EXCUSE ME, THE DOOR HANGERS. WE'RE WORKING ALSO ON SELLING, ON SENDING LETTERS. THEY'LL BE COMING OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. UH, AND THEN, UH, THEY WILL KNOCK ON, UH, A PERSON'S DOOR. UH, THEY WILL LET, THEY WILL HAVE A, A FLYER THAT LETS THEM KNOW THEY'RE WITH LIGHT FIBER, GIVING THEM, UH, KIND OF THE BASIC RUNDOWN OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE ARE, THEY'RE CONSTRUCTION FOLKS. UM, AND SO, UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK ON, YOU KNOW, IF THE CON CONTRACTOR'S [00:20:01] BEING REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, UH, CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, PAPER THAT SHOW THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, REGISTERED WITH ON BEHALF OF LIGHT FIBER, UH, AND THEIR LOCAL CONTRACTOR REGISTERED WITH THE CITY, THAT BE SOMETHING ELSE. BUT ONCE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS OR, OR IDEAS THAT WOULD GIVE COMFORT, UH, AND GREATER SECURITY, UH, SOME TYPE OF IDENTIFICATION, MAYBE SOME KIND OF TYPE OF ID, A BADGE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, FOR SURE. IDENTIFYING THEIRSELF. AND, UH, UH, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES ARE YOU ROUGHLY LOOKING AT? THIS'S GONNA BE IN THE AREA DOING THE CONSTRUCTION WORK. UH, OH. UH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT WILL, IT WILL CHANGE. BUT, UH, ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, START, UH, PROBABLY WILL BE UPWARDS TO CLOSE TO 50. OKAY. ARE YOU GONNA START AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT, ARE YOU GONNA WORK HERE AND THEN SWITCH HERE? YOU GOT DIFFERENT LOCATION FENCES GOING AT THE SAME TIME? WE'RE GONNA BE DOING, UH, SEVERAL LOCATIONS AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. UH, LOOK, THE LAST THING WE WANT THIS TO BE IS A PROLONGED CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. UH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, UH, WE WOULD RATHER, UH, FOR THE SANITY OF THE RESIDENTS FOR THE CITY AND OURSELVES, UH, KIND OF DO THIS IN, UH, ONE BIG, UH, RESPONSIBLE, BUT, UH, TIMELY BUILD. UH, MY LAST FINAL QUESTION. YES. UH, WHAT KIND OF COMPLETION ARE WE LOOKING AT? UH, WE'RE LOOKING SIX MONTHS, A YEAR, TWO YEARS, FIVE YEARS, OR WHAT? WE'RE LOOKING AT SIX MONTHS. SIX MONTHS TO DO THE WHOLE CITY? YES, SIR. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT, GOOD WEATHER AND BAD WEATHER, RIGHT? SURE. , THAT'S ONE OF THOSE, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT. NOT IF WIND. NO, YOU'RE, AND WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE GULF COAST TOO. WE UNDERSTAND HOW THE WEATHER WORKS HERE. AND SO, UH, AND HOW THAT CAN COMPLICATE THINGS. BUT, UH, OUR INITIAL PLANS, UH, IS THAT SIX MONTHS? OKAY. AND, UH, WILL BE, AND WHAT IS THE CLOSEST CITY THAT, TO OUR AREA THAT'S ALREADY HAVE THIS SYSTEM SET UP? UH, BAYTOWN BAYTOWN WITH THE CLOSEST? YES. YES, SIR. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MAYOR PROTE. ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. R ANYTHING TO ADD? NO, MA'AM. NO. MY KIDS ARE GONNA BE SUPER EXCITED ABOUT THIS. GREAT. YOU SAID FASTER THINGS, SO. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK Y'ALL SO MUCH FOR COMING, AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR INVESTMENT IN OUR STUDY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. LIKEWISE. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS VISITOR COMMENTS. UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT THIS IS, IS IF ANY VISITOR HAS ANYTHING THAT, THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH COUNSEL, UM, THEY'RE WELCOME TO COME UP AND SAY WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SAY. UH, KNOWING THAT COUNSEL CANNOT REALLY RESPOND BACK TO YOU ON ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ALREADY CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA. UM, I DO HAVE A LIST OF YOU WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, AND, UH, WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THAT ONE. OKAY. SO, ANY VISITOR COMMENTS? NO. NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. UH, FOR COUNSEL, DO WE HAVE ANY DECLARATIONS OF CONFLICTS OF INTEREST? ANYTHING, UH, THAT NEEDS TO BE DECLARED? NO, MA'AM. ON ANY ITEM. ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, MOVE ON [CONSENT AGENDA ] TO CONSENT AGENDA. UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH SIX OR ONE THROUGH EIGHT, I'M SORRY. UM, IS THERE ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT ANYBODY ON COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE FOR DISCUSSION TO REGULAR AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE, WE'LL TAKE A MOTION. MAYOR PROAM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT GENERAL ITEM ONE THROUGH EIGHT. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BAKER AND A SECOND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ELL. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. NOT HEARING ANY CONSENT AGENDA APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. THE STAR OF THE SHOW [1. Approve Ordinance No. 2314, amending Ch. 62 Miscellaneous Offenses of the City of Lake Jackson Code of Ordinances to prohibit amplified sounds beginning at 10 p.m. Sunday through Thursday, and at 11 p.m. Friday and Saturday, and that will limit amplified sounds to certain decibel levels at all other times - second reading. – Sherri Russell ] TONIGHT. ITEM AGENDA NUMBER ONE. UM, THIS IS TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2314 AMENDING CHAPTER 62, MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS, BEGINNING AT 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND AT 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND THAT WILL LIMIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS TO CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVELS AT ALL OTHER TIMES. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. ALL RIGHT, MS. SHERRY, YOUR NAME IS ON THIS ONE. DETO NEEDS TO READ THE, I'M SORRY. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF LEE JACKSON, TEXAS, AMENDING CHAPTER 62. MISCELLANEOUS OFFENSES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS BEGINNING AT 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, AND 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND TO LIMIT AMPLIFIED SOUNDS TO CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVELS AT ALL OTHER TIMES, PROVIDING THAT [00:25:01] ALL ORDINANCES ARE PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT, HEREWITH SHALL BE REPEALED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONFLICT, ONLY PROVIDING FOR A PENALTY AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE. OKAY. SO IN THIS ORDINANCE, WE START WITH THE DEFINITIONS, AND I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS WHO THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IS. AND THAT'S SOMEBODY IN THE, UM, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS AUTHORIZED TO MAKE DECISIONS. AND, UM, SO NOT APPLICABLE TO, UM, EMERGENCIES, PARADES. ALTHOUGH PARADES DON'T USUALLY GO LATE AT NIGHT, IT'S STILL IN THERE, UM, OR THE GOVERNMENT'S DOING SOMETHING THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. SO, UM, THE MEAT OF THE ORDINANCE 62, 13 IS THAT, UM, COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS WON'T USE AMPLIFIED SOUNDS STARTING AT 10:00 PM THAT EMANATES OUTSIDE ON WEEKDAYS THAT EMANATES OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING OR OFF THE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROPERTY, SOME PEOPLE DON'T IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING ON WEEKENDS THAT GOES TO 11:00 PM DON'T EMANATE THE SOUND OUT OUTSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY STARTING AT 11:00 PM BEFORE THAT, DURING THE EARLY EVENING HOURS OR DURING THE DAY. MM-HMM . WE HAVE, UM, DECIBELS RESTRICTIONS. SO IT CAN EMANATE OFF OF THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT TO EXCEED 70 OR 75 DECIBELS DEPENDING ON WHICH READING IS BEING TAKEN. AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE MEASURED AT, AT THE, UH, PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. AND THAT IS THE WHOLE ORDINANCE. WHAT IS THE BASIS OF THE 70 OR 75? THAT'S THE, THE STATE HAS ESTABLISHED WHAT THEY THINK IS REASONABLE. AND THAT'S, UM, WHAT WE TOOK THIS FROM THE STATE LAW. 'CAUSE 75 DECIBELS IS ABOUT THE, THE VOLUME I'M SPEAKING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. SO THAT IS THE STATE, THE STATE'S, UM, DEFINITION OF REASONABLE, BASICALLY. AND SO WE'RE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE STARTING WITH, IS WHAT THE STATE THINKS IS REASONABLE. COUNSEL MAY APPROACH HIM. YES. YOU MIND GIVING A SMALL JUST A BRIEF DEAL WHILE WE ARE HERE TODAY? NO. YEP. SURE. UM, THAT WAS ACTUALLY WHERE I WANTED TO GO, IS WHY ARE WE HERE TODAY AND WHY ARE WE ACTUALLY HAVING THIS DISCUSSION? UM, AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, THIS WAS LED BY CITIZENS, UM, WHICH IS CITIZEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO ENJOY THEIR BACKYARDS. THEY'VE GOT WINDOWS RATTLING AT UNREASONABLE TIMES. UM, NOBODY SITTING UP HERE ON THIS COUNCIL WANTS TO KILL THE FUN. NOBODY UP HERE ON THIS COUNCIL, UM, WANTS TO CREATE ANOTHER ORDINANCE. I LIKE GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY. I LIKE GETTING RID OF ORDINANCES IF THEY'RE UNUSEFUL. HOWEVER, IN THIS COUNCIL, THESE BUSINESSES, AND IT IS PRIMARILY LED BY TWO BUSINESSES, WERE ASKED TO SELF-REGULATE. THAT WAS ON A MONDAY. THREE DAYS LATER, I WAS AT A CITIZEN'S IN THEIR BACKYARD 0.7 MILES AWAY. I COULD HEAR THE LYRICS FROM THE MUSIC PLAYING THREE DAYS AFTER THEY WERE ASKED TO SELF-REGULATE. SO, UM, BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND BEING A RESPONSIBLE BUSINESS OWNER AND JUST BEING CONSIDERATE OF OUR NEIGHBORS IS REALLY WHAT HAS STEMMED THIS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY, ALONG WITH US IN THE LATER HOURS, WE'RE ALSO HAVING SOME ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. UH, WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE NARCOTIC, UH, INVESTIGATIONS GOING ON. WE'VE GOT AN UPTICK OF CRIME FIGHTS, UM, DWIS IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. AND WHEN WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH NOW ANYBODY HAD IN MIND, OUR CITIZENS DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN MIND. UH, THEY CERTAINLY WOULDN'T HAVE PAID FOR IT. AND, UM, I KNOW I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND I PROBABLY CAN SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WE LIKE OUR BUSINESSES TO SELF-REGULATE AND AGAIN, TO JUST BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. UM, WE'VE GOTTEN HERE, THIS IS ALMOST THE LAST RESORT OF BEING ABLE TO GIVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT THE TOOLS TO, UH, HELP PUT AN END TO THIS. SO I'VE GOT PAGES, WE'VE HAD PAGES AND PAGES OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS. SO THIS IS NOT DRIVEN BY THE CITY GOING OUT, LOOKING AROUND AND WANTING TO SHUT DOWN BUSINESSES OR KILL THE FUND. THIS IS BECAUSE WE'VE SAID, HEY, THE RESIDENTS CAN'T GO TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. WE'VE GOT NEWBORNS WHO CAN'T BE PUT DOWN. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GO TO WORK. AND WHAT WAS DEMONSTRATED WAS THAT THERE WAS NO CONCERN FOR THAT. SO HERE WE ARE. ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNSEL? [00:30:01] NO, MA'AM. ANYBODY? NO. OKAY. SO USUALLY THE WAY THIS WORKS IS COUNSEL WILL INITIATE THE DISCUSSION, UM, AND WE'LL DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE SECOND READING, UH, OF THIS AGENDA ITEM. SO WE'VE, WE'VE PRETTY MUCH BEAT IT TO DEATH. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ALMOST A YEAR AT THIS POINT. UM, EVERYBODY IS FRUSTRATED THAT WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT, AND SO THE COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER. UM, ONE THING THAT I THINK WE ALL THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN LATE IN LAKE JACKSON THAN SOME OTHER CITIES, IS HOW WE INTERACT WITH OUR CITIZENS ON TOPICS LIKE THIS. UM, YOU'VE GOT SOME CITIES HERE AROUND US THAT THEY, THEY WON'T HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH CONVERSATION WITH A RESIDENT. YOU GET TWO MINUTES TO TALK AND THEN YOU'RE DONE. UM, OUR JOB HERE IS TO HEAR WHAT THE CITIZENS HAVE TO SAY AND TO ALWAYS TRY TO FIND A REASONABLE, UH, COMPROMISE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. UM, I'VE GOTTEN QUITE A FEW PHONE CALLS ON THIS. AND HERE'S, HERE'S THE CRUX OF THE MATTER. IT'S NOT FAIR. THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD MULTIPLE TIMES. IT'S NOT FAIR TO PUNISH ALL OF THE BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF TWO BAD ACTORS. THAT IS 100% ACCURATE. IT IS NOT FAIR. THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT 99% OF THE LAWS THAT WE LIVE BY IN THIS COUNTRY, WERE NOT PUT INTO PLACE. THEY WERE NOT ENACTED BECAUSE OF WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WERE DOING. IT'S ALWAYS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT RUIN IT FOR EVERYBODY, FRANKLY, AND WHO PLACE THEIR OWN AGENDA OVER BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR OR BEING A GOOD CITIZEN. SO THAT'S IN SHORT WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. THAT BEING SAID, UH, WE'VE GOT EIGHT PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH US TODAY. UM, YOU DO NEED TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US YOUR SPECIFIC ADDRESS, JUST SAY CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, CITY OF CLUE, WHATEVER. UM, AND LET'S TALK. ALL RIGHT, SO FIRST UP IS, I BELIEVE JACOBY SMITH. PROBABLY THE LIMIT. TIME DEPENDS. WE'LL SEE. HI, HOW Y'ALL DOING? GOOD. MY NAME IS JACOBY SMITH. UH, I LIVE ON, UH, FIVE CIRCLE WAY. I MEAN, UH, 1 0 5 CAMPUS BACK. UH, I'M PART OWNER OF BODEGA BAR AND GRILL AND BACKYARD PATIO. UH, I LIKE TO START BY ASKING HOW MANY PEOPLE IS HERE, UH, TO FIND A SOLUTION WITH THE MUSIC ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WHAT I'M NOTICING IS IT'S 80, THE STATE REGULATION IS 85. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE READ ONLINE AND EVERYTHING. IT'S CHANGED RECENTLY. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. THERE'S A REASONABLE NOISE ORDINANCE WHERE IT'S 85, BUT THIS IS THE NEW LAW. THEY JUST PASSED IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE. UM, AND THEY, AND NOW IT'S 70 AND 75. YES, MA'AM. SO THERE'S A LITTLE CONFLICT IN THE LAW. YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. WELL, TODAY I WANNA TALK ABOUT, UH, MUSIC IS LIKE A FIRST AMENDMENT. IT'S LIKE, UH, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? AND IT, UH, I FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF BAD TO TAKE AWAY SOMEBODY'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH WHEN YOU GET IN YOUR CAR. FIRST THING YOU DO IS TURN IN YOUR FAVORITE SONG. YOU WANT TO JAM OUT ON YOUR WAY HOME WITH THE KIDS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? HAVE YOU SEEN ME? UH, I MAYBE NOW, MAN, . BUT, UM, AND I, I KNOW WE HAVE A A, A COSTA TEQUILA WORKERS HERE. WE HAVE A COUPLE OTHER WORKERS HERE FROM DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT SPOTS IN DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT'S HOW THEY FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND EVERYTHING. AND IF YOU NOTICE, AFTER THAT 10:00 PM CUTOFF IS WHEN MAJORITY OF ALL OF OUR BUSINESS COMES IN. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE EVERYONE PLAYS THEIR MUSIC OR EVERYONE. THAT'S WHEN EVERYBODY WANTS TO INTERACT WITH EVERYBODY SURE. IS AFTER THAT 10:00 PM CUTOFF. AND, UH, I'M JUST HERE TO SAY WE ARE, WE'RE HERE TO WORK WITH Y'ALL IN ANY WAY WE CAN. I THINK WE SAID IT LAST TIME. WE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH Y'ALL. I KNOW, UM, ME AND MY WIFE FED UP FROM BODEGA IN BACKYARD. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AND THE MUSIC HAS BEEN LOWERED. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS RECENTLY IN THE PAST THREE, MAYBE FOUR MONTHS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT. 'CAUSE NOW THE COPS JUST COME BY AND, AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ME AND TALK WITH ME ABOUT ANYTHING UNDER THE MOON. OKAY. SO, SO HERE'S MY, MY PERSONAL CONCERN WITH THAT IS, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST US TALK AND A CONVERSATION HERE. YES, MA'AM. AND THAT IS, I THINK LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, YOU SPOKE NO, THAT WAS HOWARD JACKSON. OH, HOWARD JACKSON. THAT'S RIGHT. FROM BACKYARD. YEAH. WE'RE, WE'RE BOTH. AND WE TALKED ABOUT, ALL RIGHT, WHAT ARE SOME REASONABLE NUMBERS? WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE? RIGHT, MA'AM? THAT, THAT WAS ON A MONDAY NIGHT. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THURSDAY NIGHT I'D WORKED FOR 12 HOURS AND AT 10 30 AT NIGHT, I START GETTING MY PHONE STARTS, DING, DING, DING. SO I LOOK AT IT AND IT'S A RESIDENT SAYING, I WISH YOU COULD BE IN MY BACKYARD RIGHT NOW, THREE DAYS LATER. RIGHT. SO I SAID, OKAY. SO I PUT MY SWEATPANTS ON, WENT TO THE CAR. I DROVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF BODEGA AND BACKYARD. THE MUSIC WAS BLARING. SO [00:35:01] I DROVE 0.7 MILES AWAY. I WENT INTO THE RESIDENCE BACKYARD. I COULD HEAR THE LYRICS TO THE, AND PROFANE LYRICS I MIGHT ADD TO THE, IN THIS, IN THIS PERSON'S BACKYARD 0.7 MILES AWAY. ARE YOU, UH, DO YOU KNOW WHICH ESTABLISHMENT IT WAS? BECAUSE WE JUST TOOK OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BACKYARD. DO WHAT? SO BACK, WE JUST TOOK OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT OF BACKYARD. WHEN DID Y'ALL TAKE OVER? UH, LIKE LAST WEEK. OKAY. SO, UH, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN KEEPING BODEGA'S MUSIC LOW AND INSIDE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH BACKYARD. AND HERE'S THE THING. NOBODY'S SAYING YOU CAN'T PLAY MUSIC. YOU CAN PLAY ALL NIGHT LONG INSIDE, BUT THE RESIDENTS SHOULDN'T BE LISTENING TO IT. SO IF YOU WANNA HAVE MUSIC, NOBODY IS HERE SAYING DON'T HAVE A BAND, DON'T HAVE LIVE MUSIC, DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE ENTERTAINMENT WE UNDERSTAND ABOUT, I'VE SEEN SEVERAL COMMENTS ABOUT THE POWER HOUR. I'VE LEARNED ABOUT THAT, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE LAST COUPLE OF HOURS OF AN ESTABLISHMENT, THAT'S WHEN THEY MAKE THE SERVICES. THAT'S HOW WE FEED KIDS MONEY. RIGHT. BUT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO GET UP AND GO TO WORK AT FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ALSO ARE TRYING TO FEED THEIR KIDS. AND IT'S BETTER TO DO THAT. WELL RESTED. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. IS THAT NOT FAIR? YES, MA'AM. SO, UM, I WILL SAY, I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT THE CALL SHEET. OVER THE LAST YEAR, THERE'S ONLY 40 CALLS. PROBABLY ABOUT 90% OF THEM ARE BODEGA, UM, BACKYARD, BACKYARD, BACKYARD. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE BODEGA. AND WE ASKED YOU TO SELF-REGULATE. YOU UNDERSTAND? YES MA'AM. IT'S, NOBODY UP HERE IS INTERESTED IN THIS ORDINANCE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO FEED YOUR CHILDREN OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE MUSIC OR WHATNOT. IT'S JUST, WE ASKED AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY COOPERATION. AND OUR CITIZENS ARE STILL COMPLAINING. AND THEIR RIGHT, THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE JUST AS IMPORTANT AS YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT. RIGHT. AND YOUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. TO HAVE MUSIC PLAYING DOESN'T GET TO SPILL OVER TO THEIR PROPERTY. OKAY. YES, MA'AM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO 70 AND 75, THAT'S US TALKING RIGHT NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S LITERALLY, I, I HAVE MY ADDRESS FAMILIAR ON RIGHT NOW. YEAH. THAT'S LITERALLY US TALKING. SO OUR PD INVESTED, WE INVESTED IN EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, CAN READ THE DECIBELS BOTH FOR THE BASE. 'CAUSE WE HAD TALKED, UH, MR. DUKE HAD SPOKE QUITE A BIT ABOUT THE BASE WAS SOMETIMES THE PROBLEM. MM-HMM . UM, AND THAT EQUIPMENT CAN READ BOTH DECIBEL LEVELS. UM, AND WE SPENT SOME TIME COLLECTING THAT DATA. UM, IT'S EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE CALIBRATED AND IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. AND, UM, THAT'S WHERE WE'VE LANDED. I'VE TALKED TO A COUPLE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS. NORMALLY WHEN THEY DRIVE BY YEAH. THEY'LL SEE ME AND THEY'LL WAVE. THEY'LL BE LIKE, HEY, COME HERE. AND I'LL GO AND HOLLER AT 'EM AND THEY'LL BE LIKE, HEY, WELL YOU'RE GOOD TODAY. YOU'RE WAY UNDER THIS AND THAT. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH BODEGA SINCE THEY STARTED DOING THAT, BECAUSE EVERY TIME THEY COME AND TALK TO ME, OR THEY'LL COME STAND OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY LINE WITH IT AND I'LL ASK THEM, HEY, WHAT IS IT READING? AND THEY'LL LET ME KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S READING. YEAH. AND THAT'S GOOD. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE DO. SO WHAT TIME OF DAY IS THAT? UH, THAT'S PROBABLY ABOUT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SO WHEN THEY COME BY, HAVE YOU BEEN READING UNDER 70 AND 75? UH, I'VE BEEN READING RIGHT AT 76 BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT IT WAS 80 AND 85. MM-HMM . SO WE'VE BEEN RIGHT AT 76. RIGHT. SO DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S FOR THE A ONE OR THE AC? UH, NO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE IT IS. UH, BUT I KNOW EVERY TIME THEY COME TO ME SAY, WELL, YOU'RE AT 76, YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE GOOD. YEAH. I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE WERE GOING UNDER 80 AND 85. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO. RIGHT. TO MAKE IT ON OUR PROPERTY LINES. TO MAKE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. TEXAS STATE LEGISLATURE. THEY'RE CONSTANTLY CHANGING EVERYTHING. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. I THINK, UH, BEFORE YOU YES SIR. I THINK, UH, WE HAD TALKED TO THE CHIEF HERE. UH, WE HAD TALKED TO THE CHIEF OR WHOEVER FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO CONTACT YOU GUYS AND TO, TO SIT DOWN AND SOLVE THIS PROBLEM BEFORE IT GOT TO THE PHONE. WE NEVER GOT CONTACTED IN ANY TYPE OF WAY. I THINK HE HAS TRIED. HE, HE BROUGHT TO US SEVERAL TIMES THAT HE HAS TRIED TO CONTACT YOU. I ACTUALLY CALLED HIM AND, UH, I CALLED HIM MULTIPLE TIMES AND MY CALL WAS FORWARDED. OKAY. DID YOU TRY TO REACH OUT OR? I CALLED, I CALLED TO HIS OFFICE TOO. AND, AND I, I LEFT A MESSAGE SAYING, HEY, CAN YOU GET BACK WITH ME? NEVER GOT A CALL BACK. WE DON'T HAVE ANY REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY. NO. UH, CHIEF LANGFORD WAS HERE SOMEWHERE. YEAH. HE'S THE ASSISTANT CHIEF IS, I'VE REACHED OUT TO, YOU KNOW, BY LETTER TO THE BUSINESS, TO BODEGA FIRST WHEN THIS STARTED IN MAY, UH, AND STUFF, AND ASK THEM, YOU KNOW, TELL 'EM THE PROBLEM AND ASK THEM TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, BEFORE THIS STARTED. AND SO THAT WAS OUR FIRST CONTACT, UH, WITH THE BUSINESS, WHICH JUST, YOU KNOW, WITH I'M, I MAY STILL, WE REQUESTED YOU PROBABLY DO, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER HERE ON COUNCIL THAT WE MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM AND TRY TO SIT DOWN AND WE SENT LETTERS. YES, WE SENT LETTERS TO ALL THE BUSINESSES. BUT THAT MAY HAVE BEEN BEFORE [00:40:01] Y'ALL TOOK OVER. YES. THAT WHAT I'M HEARING. BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD A SPECIFIC MEETING OTHER THAN THE MEETING THAT THE COUNCIL HAD WITH EVERYBODY HERE. UH, ASKING FOR THEM TO SELF, TO SELF-REGULATE THAT WE'VE NOT HAD ANOTHER MEETING WITH, WITH THE TWO INDIVIDUAL OWNERS. WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS THERE ANY REASON WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE NO, I MEAN, THEY WERE ALREADY HERE AND THEY UNDERSTOOD THE WHOLE, THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO SAY, UH, TO THE BUSINESSES THAT THEY, BOTH BUSINESS OWNERS HEARD THE WHOLE . WE CAME TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WITH IT. AND, UH, BUT SINCE WE'VE TOOK IT OVER A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE, WE, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND SO WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION? WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY THAN THIS ORDINANCE? WELL, I KNOW RIGHT NOW WE'RE BUILDING, UH, FENCES AT BODEGA TO ECHO THE SOUND BACK IN SO IT DOESN'T TRAVEL TO OUR NEIGHBORS. I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL SEEN US DOING A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AT BODEGA BACKYARD, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND I'M ALL DIRTY TODAY 'CAUSE I WAS PAINTING THE DAY AND BUILDING. YEAH. UH, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN KEEP THE SOUND IN THE ESTABLISHMENT WITHOUT IT TRAVELING TO OUR NEIGHBORS. UH, I KNOW MYSELF, I GET UP EVERY TIME I HAVE A DJ I WALK AROUND THE WHOLE BLOCK YEAH. WITH MY DECIMAL READER ON TO MAKE SURE I CAN REGULATE WHAT IT IS. AND MY FELLOW DJS, I'LL COME BACK AND I'LL TELL 'EM, HEY, THIS NEEDS TO GO DOWN. THAT BASE NEEDS TO GO DOWN. YOUR TROUBLE NEEDS TO GO DOWN. AND, AND WE, WE HANDLE IT JUST LIKE THAT. OKAY. AND SO WHAT METERS ARE, I MEAN, NOT BLEEDERS. I DO IT ON, OH, I WHAT DESK ARE YOU SHOOTING FOR? I'M SHOOTING ABOUT 76 77 EVERY TIME. LIKE I SAID, I THOUGHT IT WAS 80 AND 85. SO I SHOOT FOR 76, 77. WELL, I BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION, YOU SAID YOU'RE WALKING AROUND INSTEAD OF YOU WALKING AROUND, I WANT YOU TO TRY GETTING IN YOUR VEHICLE AND GO OUT TO NEIGHBORHOOD. I'VE SAT AT HEB BEFORE I'VE SAT AT A SHOP POND. THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. GET OUT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING AND SEE IF YOU CAN HEAR SOME OF THE NOISE. YES, SIR. AND LISTEN AT THE NOISE. CUT YOUR RADIO OFF, CUT YOUR CAR OFF, AND SIT THERE AND LISTEN. YES SIR. AND YOU COULD PROBABLY HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON AND YOU CAN COME BACK AND , WOULD Y'ALL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME WITH SOME OF THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS SO I CAN, UH, MAKE THAT HAPPEN? THE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM, THAT'S MORE AROUND SHOP POND AREA. THE SHOP POND AREA, UH, AREA. THAT'S, THAT SEEMS TO BE WHERE THE TWO BUSINESSES NOISE IS TRAVELING TO. SO IT'S TRAVELING NORTH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, FUNNELING IT, IT SKIPS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ON OCD WHEN WE HAD, WHEN WE BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, THE INFORMATION TO COUNCIL WHERE THE PD MEASURED FOR SEVERAL WEEKS, UM, THE AMBIENT NOISE ON OCD IS DROWNING OUT THE, THE MUSIC. SO IT'S SKIPPING OVER. AND SO THEN IT'S HEADED ON THE MISSILE TOE TULIP AND STUFF IN THAT AREA. AND THEN FUR A LITTLE BIT FURTHER. THAT'S WHERE THE NOISE IS. IT ALSO COULD BE WEATHER, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE WIND. IF THE WIND IS BLOWING OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE SOUTH, YOU'RE GONNA HEAR MORE. YOU MIGHT TELL 'EM TO TURN IT DOWN. OKAY. IF IT'S BLOWING THE NORTH, IT'S GOING BLOW, BLOW IN THE OCEAN. BUT IF IT'S BLOWING, IT'S GONNA BLOW BACK TOWARDS THE CITY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MAKE THAT, TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. I'LL MAKE SURE I DRIVE AROUND THIS WEEKEND. YEAH, I MEAN, YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN JUST I SOME JUST LITTLE HOMEWORK AND JUST GET OUT AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND YOU, YOU DO SOME OF THE WORK, MAYBE YOU CAN SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS. WHEN DO YOU HAVE, WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING TO LOWER THE SOUND? 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD, WE'VE INCREASED OUR ENFORCEMENT, UH, PROBABLY WITH BOTH OF YOU IN STARTING IN NOVEMBER WHEN WE HAD . SO MAYBE SEPTEMBER IS WHEN WE STARTED REALIZING WHAT WAS GOING ON. WE STILL HAD SIX CALLS. THE CALLS. YEAH. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TAPERED DOWN, BUT WE ARE STILL GETTING CALLS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT AS LOW AS WE CAN, BUT SO THE CROWD STILL CAN ENJOY AND HAVE THEIR PHONE TOO. AND I, AND I WANNA POINT THIS OUT TOO. YOU SOUND IS A COMPONENT OF THIS CONCERN. YES, MA'AM. RIGHT. UH, WE CAN ACTUALLY, WE, WE, WE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE BUILDING FENCES. WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT DIFFERENT WAYS TO KEEP THE SOUND IN. WHAT I'M SAYING IS SOUND, SOUND IS A COMPONENT OF THE PROBLEM OF WHAT'S HAPPENING, BUT IT'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM. OKAY. IT'S THE OVERSERVING, THE DUIS COMING OUT OF THERE ARE OFFICERS BEING ASSAULTED WHEN THEY'RE ON PREMISES. IT IS THE NARCOTICS INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON IN BOTH LOCATIONS AT THIS TIME. WE DON'T WANT THAT DOWNTOWN. YOU DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT? WELL, I, I WAS UNAWARE ABOUT A NARCOTICS, ANYTHING. WELL, SO THEY'RE BOTH, BOTH LOCATIONS. OKAY. SO THAT IS JUST NOT WHAT LAKE JACKSON IS. IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT IT TO BE. PEOPLE CAN SAY THAT'S HOA, THEY CAN SAY IT'S KAREN. THEY CAN SAY IT'S MICROMANAGING, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY, WE DO OR DON'T WANT THIS ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT. SO, SO WHAT IF I GET WITH LAKE JACKSON PD AND HAVE THEM COME BE DO SECURITY AT MY ESTABLISHMENT? HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S UP TO YOU? THAT'S UP TO YOU. YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SECURITY. I I NEVER THINK OF THESE WHEN YOU HAVE ALCOHOL INVOLVED. I THINK, UH, SECURITY'S NEVER A BAD, BAD [00:45:01] PROBLEM. I MEAN, I HAVE SECURITY NOW ON BOTH PLACES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT EVERY PATRON DOES. YOU KNOW, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THERE'S STILL JUST ENVIRONMENT. WHEN YOU GET A PARTICULAR ENVIRONMENT GOING ON, IT BRINGS CERTAIN ELEMENTS THAT IS JUST NOT CONDUCIVE TO A FAMILY FRIENDLY CITY. AND THAT IS STILL ULTIMATELY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE GOTTA PICK AND CHOOSE. DO WE WANNA BE THE FUN PLACE OR DO WE WANNA BE THE SAFE, UM, SAFE PLACE TO RAISE OUR FAMILIES? I'VE GOTTEN CALLS FROM PROBABLY FOUR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED DOWNTOWN. ONE OF 'EM SAID, MY FE FEMALE EMPLOYEES ARE DON'T WANNA WORK AFTER DARK BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING HARASSED. AND, UM, PICKED ON BY, UH, DRUNK PEOPLE LEAVING THE ESTABLISHMENTS. THEY'VE BEEN OVER SERVED. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY LEFT OUR ESTABLISHMENT? BECAUSE THEY, WE HAD CAMERAS THERE FOR QUITE A WHILE AND, AND THEY'RE WATCHING. PEOPLE ARE VERY SENSITIVE TO IT. UM, I KNOW THE DAY AFTER, UM, IT WAS A SUNDAY, THEY HAD THE CHRISTMAS TOUR THING AND I JUST HAPPENED TO BE WALKING DOWNTOWN TO THE TWO BUSINESSES THAT WERE OPEN. THERE'S BROKEN BEER BOTTLES EVERYWHERE. THERE'S BROKEN. I MEAN, THE BUSINESSES AROUND YOU ARE COMPLAINING. OKAY? AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. NOBODY WANTS, I DON'T WANNA SPEND $8 MILLION ON POLICE OVER TIME HAVING TO POLICE YOUR BUSINESS. UM, I WANT EVERY BUSINESS OWNER TO DO THEIR OWN THING, ENJOY THEIR CUSTOMERS, MAKE A GOOD LIVING. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND I'M JUST, I'M TALKING TO YOU HERE. I'M BEING VERY FRANK. I'M A MOM HERE. I'M A NURSE HERE, AND I KNOW WHAT KIND OF COMMUNITY THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION WANTS, AND IT'S NOT SOME OF THE TROUBLE THAT COMES WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. IS THAT FAIR? NOT FAIR. MEAN, I UNDERSTAND. LIKE I SAY, WELL, WE CATER TO ALL CROWDS. UH, YOU GOT YOUR HISPANIC, YOU GOT YOUR CAUCASIAN, YOU HAVE YOUR AFRICAN AMERICAN, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE, WE CATER, WE HAVE ALL CROWDS. SO I MEAN, IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE JUST BANGING YOU OUT. YOU KNOW. IT IS NOT, IT IS NOT ABOUT THE CATERING. IT IS THE MUSIC. IT'S THE LOUD MUSIC. THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. OKAY. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE CATERING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NO. IT'S ABOUT THE DEC OF THE MUSIC AND THE LOUDNESS OF THE MUSIC. SO WE CAN GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF LOT OTHER PROBLEM. CAN I CAN HANDLE ANY OF THAT? I CAN, I CAN ME AND MY OTHER SIT DOWN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO HANDLE ANYTHING. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. IF ARE YOU? THANK YOU. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. WE'VE GOT QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE, SO LET'S TRY TO GET TO EVERYBODY. UM, SHELLY DOW. ADAM DO. HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. UM, I'M AN OWNER OF A SMALL RESTAURANT BAR IN DOWNTOWN LAKE JACKSON. OKAY. GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. OH, SHELLY DOW. UH, PARKING WAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, ANN, I'M JUST HERE BECAUSE I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS. UM, I DON'T, I WASN'T NOTIFIED AS A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND THIS IS GREATLY AFFECTING MY BUSINESS. WE ARE A, UM, RESTAURANT BAR, LIVE EVENT, MUSIC EVENT. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF YOUR HARDING CREEK? WE DID SEND A LETTER, UH, TO EVERY RESTAURANT DOWNTOWN. I DID NOT GET A LETTER AND I LETTER WAS CERTIFIED. WE DIDN'T SEND IT CER WE DIDN'T SEND IT IN CERTIFIED. WE JUST SEND IT REGULAR MAIL, THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS. YEAH. SO I'M, I WASN'T AWARE. RIGHT. AND THEN, SO THAT, THAT'S CONCERNING. UM, AND I MEAN, THERE'S PROBABLY SEVERAL WAYS YOU COULD REACH A BUSINESS OWNER SINCE WE'RE ALL THERE. RIGHT. A LETTER. UM, I MEAN, WE'RE OPEN, YOU KNOW, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT, UM, THEIR WEBPAGE HAS A 24 7 ALSO. PARDON? THE LAKE JACKSON WEBPAGE HAS A 24 7. IT'S OPEN ALL, ALL THE TIME. SO, OKAY. SO I'M JUST SAYING I WASN'T AWARE. I WOULD'VE BEEN AT THE MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST MEETING AND EVERYTHING. AND I UNDERSTAND AS A BUSINESS OWNER, AS A, UM, RESIDENCE OWNER, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 23 YEARS. SO I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH A SOUND ORDINANCE. I TOTALLY DO. SO I'M ALL FOR THAT. HOWEVER, IF THERE WOULD BE SOME KIND OF WAY TO COME TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON THE DECIBEL SOUND, I FEEL LIKE THAT SEEMS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UM, RESTRICTIVE. SO, UM, IS THAT ALREADY DECIDED? YEAH, THAT'S WHY, I MEAN, THE COUNCIL'S HERE, SO ORDINANCE, IT REQUIRE TWO READINGS. AND SO THE FIRST READING IS ESTABLISHING AND DENY YOUR YEAR. THE COUNCIL HAS THE, THE SECOND READING. AND THE COUNCIL CAN ADOPT IT AS IS OR MAKE MOD MAKE MODIFICATIONS. SO I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE 75 DECAL [00:50:01] IS LOW. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T, I I DON'T, THAT I KNOW OF. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS FROM, AND I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, WE'VE GOT NOTHING FROM HARDEN CREEK. WE'VE GOT NOTHING FROM WORST HOUSE, WE'VE GOT NOTHING. IT'S, IT'S TWO PLACES. SO, SO YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS YEAH. TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, SO WHAT CAN WE DO? SO I WOULD, I WANTED JUST OPEN THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. COULD WE COME TO SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT MORE REASONABLE THAN 75? WELL, WE DIDN'T, THAT, THAT WAS STATE LAW. THAT WAS WHAT THE STATE OF TEXAS CAME UP WITH AS REASONABLE. OKAY. UM, SO I MEAN, WE WEREN'T JUST MAKE MAKING IT UP. RIGHT. SO TO SPEAK. UM, COUNSEL, THOUGHTS, CONCERNS ON THAT? I MEAN, WE, WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS. YES. WE'VE BEEN ON THIS FOR, FOR MONTHS AND TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT SOLUTION MM-HMM . UM, AND THIS IS WHERE WE LANDED. OKAY. SO, BUT WE'VE HEARD NOTHING ABOUT HARDING CREEK. OKAY. SO, AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS GONNA BE WHERE Y'ALL ARE LOCATED AT, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT DIRECTION YOU'RE FACING, WHAT'S AROUND YOU, WHAT KIND OF CONCRETE'S AROUND YOU. YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TYPE OF THINGS I THINK MAKE A DIFFERENCE ON HOW THE SOUND IS CHANNELED. UHHUH . UM, AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PD ISS GONNA BE DRIVING AROUND WITH A, A DECIBEL GUN CHECKING ON EVERYBODY. THIS REALLY IS VERY CITIZEN COMPLAINT DRIVEN. UM, SO IF YOU GUYS ARE AT 80 DECIBELS AND NOBODY'S COMPLAINING, THEN THERE'S NO PROBLEM OKAY. KIND OF THING. OKAY. SO DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. YEP. 100%. SO IF WE ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT, CONTINUE, WE DOING THINGS RIGHT, AND YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM. YEAH. NO ISSUES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE THANK YOU MICHELLE. APPRECIATE IT. APPRECIATE THAT. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT TRAVIS COX. MR. COX. HI. GOOD EVENING. HI, MY NAME'S TRAVIS COX AND I'VE LIVED ALL OVER SOUTHEAST TEXAS, MISSOURI COUNTY'S BEEN MY HOME FOR FOUR YEARS. SO, UM, I WORK FOR THE COUNTY, NOT THIS COUNTY. I WORK FOR ANOTHER COUNTY PLUS I DJ. UM, I DON'T DJ AT THE TWO BARS THAT ARE IN THAT ARE HAVING PROBLEMS. BUT I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ONE THING THAT I DO THINK WE NEED TO MAKE VERY CLEAR, AND I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, IS LAKE JACKSON DOESN'T ALLOW BARS. WE ALLOW RESTAURANTS WITH MIXED BEVERAGE LICENSES. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE TO ANYBODY. BUT DON'T SAY YOU'RE A BAR . LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SO, I, I'M NOT, I I'M AN ENTERTAINER. YEAH. BUT LIKE I SAID, I ALSO, I ALSO WORK, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU SAID THAT CONCERNED ME IS, UM, PEOPLE HAVE TO GET UP AT FIVE, SIX O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING TO GO TO WORK. BUT YET I DO THAT EVERY DAY. GET OFF WORK, GO SET UP AT MY GO, SET UP AT MY NEXT LOCATION. AND I'M WORK, I'M TALKING ABOUT MY NORMAL JOB WITH COUNTY. MM-HMM . I GET UP AT FIVE O'CLOCK EVERY MORNING BECAUSE I HAVE AN HOUR AND A HALF DRIVE, DRIVE THAT DRIVE BACK. AS SOON AS I GET HOME, I SET UP MY NEXT JOB, WHICH IS ENTERTAINMENT. AND DEPENDING ON WHERE I'M AT, AT, I'M ANYWHERE BETWEEN 11 O'CLOCK AND TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. MM-HMM . LEAVE SET UP TO BREAK MY EQUIPMENT DOWN, GET HOME AROUND THREE O'CLOCK, TURN AROUND, GET UP FIVE O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. SO WHILE, YES, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, THAT THE SOUND CAN BE LOUD, BUT WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE, I LIVE FIVE MILES FROM A FOOTBALL FIELD. MM-HMM . AT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, I CAN WALK OUTSIDE AND PLAINLY HEAR THE MARCHING BANDS PLAYING. YOU GET THAT HERE AS WELL. AND IN, IN, UH, LAKE JACKSON AT BRAESWOOD, WHEN THE BAND IS AT THEIR PRACTICE FIELD AT NINE, 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, PRACTICING THEIR MARCHING, ESPECIALLY BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS, WHO CALLS ON THEM? YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE CLUE. BUT THEY'RE JUST AS LOUD. THEY'RE JUST AS LOUD, IF NOT LOUDER. LIKE I SAID, I LIVE FIVE MILES AWAY FROM A FOOTBALL FIELD. I CAN CLEARLY HEAR IT ON A NIGHT WITH HIGHWAY TRAFFIC. CAN STILL HEAR IT. MY NEXT THING YOU, YOU'RE WANTING TO PUT AN ORDINANCE IN THAT, EXCUSE ME, BUT TEXAS PENAL 42 0 1 STATES. 85 DECIBELS. 85 BELS. MY NEXT THING IS I WORKED IN DOW CHEMICAL FOR WELL OVER 20 YEARS BEFORE I STARTED WORKING FOR THE COUNTY. Y'ALL WANNA SIT THERE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF MUSIC. WHEN YOU HEAR THE ROAR OF DOW CHEMICAL EVERY NIGHT, [00:55:01] SOME UNITS GET WELL OVER 200 DECIBELS WHEN THERE'S A FLARE GOING OFF. CAN GO UP TO 300 DECIBELS, DEPENDING ON, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE LOW BASE RUMBLE OF THAT FIRE. ARE Y'ALL GOING TO START ENFORCING THAT ON DOW CHEMICAL, MAKING THEM SHUT THEIR UNITS DOWN AT NIGHT? WE'RE NOT GETTING COMPLAINTS ABOUT DOW CHEMICAL. DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE ONLY, NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. PUT THE PIPE DOWN, GUYS. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING YOU TWO MILES OFF, SIR, SIR, SIR. HEY, HEY, LET'S LOOK, LOOK, THEY'RE NOT IN OUR CITY LIMITS. WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT DOW. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S STILL LOUD NOISE THAT PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON COULD COMPLAIN ABOUT. YEAH. BUT THEN HERE'S THE NEXT THING IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I CAN SIT THERE AND PLAY AT 85 DECIBELS. I CAN PLAY AT 70 DECIBELS WITH JUST MY TOP SPEAKERS, WHICH HAVE NO BASE OR VERY LITTLE, AND YOU CAN STILL HEAR IT TWO, THREE MILES DOWN THE ROAD, PLAIN AS DAY. DOESN'T MATTER WHEN, BECAUSE LYRICS LYS SCARY. YOU PLAY INSIDE THE ESTABLISHMENT OR OUTSIDE? IT DEPENDS. SOME I PLAY INSIDE, SOME, I PLAY OUTSIDE. OKAY. IT DEPENDS ON WHAT, WHAT I'M HIRED TO DO. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN STILL HEAR IT PLAIN AS DAY NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO. OKAY. YOU AND I GONNA HEAR, AND, AND IF THERE'S ANY COMPLAINT ABOUT BASE ON THOSE, YOU KNOW, I'LL, I'LL REFUTE THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO BASE. IF I DID WITH HOW BIG THEY ARE, THEY WOULD RATTLE APART, BUT I DIGRESS. WHERE IT COMES DOWN TO IT. YOU WANT US, YOU WANNA SIT THERE AND SAY THAT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS MATTER. NO, THE LAW DOES NOT STATE THAT PEOPLE'S FEELINGS MATTER, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS YOU'RE TURNING YOUR POLICE AGENCY INTO A RETALIATORY AGENCY THAT, OH, I DON'T LIKE THIS, SO I'M GONNA CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS IS RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TAKING RESOURCES AWAY FROM OTHER INVESTIGATIONS AND OTHER THINGS. YOU'VE GOT THE LAKE JACKSON INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY OUT HERE WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE 80 TO 100 MILES AN HOUR AND YOU HAVE NO COVERAGE ON THAT ROAD. YOU HAVE ONE OFFICER. THAT'S NOT TRUE. I'VE GOTTEN A TICKET THERE, . WELL, I ONLY SEE ONE OFFICER EVER ON THIS ROAD UP ON THE NORTH SIDE CATCHING PEOPLE. YEAH, BUT THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. THAT'S NOT HERE IN THE, THAT'S NOT HERE IN THE, IN THE CITY WHERE I'VE BEEN ALMOST RUN OFF THE ROAD FIVE TO SIX TIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTING TO RUN. BUT I'M JUST SAYING, LET'S STAY ON TOPIC HERE PLEASE. BUT SO THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. YOU WANNA SIT THERE AND SAY, BECAUSE PEOPLE'S FEELINGS. WELL, I GET THAT. I HAVE FEELINGS TOO. I HAVE MOUTH TO FEET. I HAVE FOUR KIDS, THREE OF 'EM STILL LIVING AT HOME. I'M A SINGLE FATHER. I WORK THREE JOBS OR MORE. WHAT THIS DOES IS TAKE FOOD OUTTA MY FAMILY'S MOUTH. SO YOU CAN'T MAKE A LIVING IF YOU FOLLOW THIS ORDINANCE? NO. IF I FOLLOW THE STATE LAW MM-HMM . BETWEEN AFTER 10 O'CLOCK IS 85 DECIBELS, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY. BUT IF WE GO BELOW THAT HERE, I'M TALKING RIGHT NOW, I GUARANTEE YOU MY VOICE IS WELL OVER 85 DECIBELS. IF SOMEBODY HAS A DECIBEL METER, WE CAN FIND OUT. BECAUSE I, I TALK VERY LOUD, BUT AGAIN, THIS COMES DOWN TO SOMEBODY OUTSIDE HAVING A CONVERSATION. LIKE I, LIKE I'M TALKING NOW, I OR SOMEBODY BARELY PLAYING ANY MUSIC AT NIGHT IN THEIR HOUSE, AND THEIR NEIGHBOR WANTS TO CALL AND SAY THAT THEY'RE TOO LOUD. SO YOU, LIKE I SAID, YOU TURN THIS INTO RETALIATORY WHERE I FEEL THIS, I FEEL THAT. HERE'S THE THING. YOU SEND AN OFFICER OUT AND HE HAS A CALIBRATED METER AND IT'S UNDER 85 DECIBELS. THERE AIN'T NO ISSUES WHETHER YOU STILL HEAR IT IN THEIR BACKYARD OR NOT. IF THEY'RE UNDER 85 DECIBELS AT THE, AT THE LIMIT OF THE, OF THE ESTABLISHMENT. MM-HMM . WHERE'S THE CONFLICT? OKAY, SO SIR, SO, SO, SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING THAT, THAT YOU'RE A DJ, CORRECT? YES, SIR. AND SO YOU'RE SAYING IF, IF YOU WAS DJING HERE, HOUSTON, BAY CITY, FREEPORT, ANYWHERE, AND YOU AS DJING, AND IF, IF AN OFFICER CAME UP TO YOU AND, UH, SEVERAL TIMES AND HE TOLD YOU THAT HE'D BEEN GETTING A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, COULD YOU TURN YOUR MUSIC DOWN? WOULD YOU TURN YOUR MUSIC DOWN FOR HIM TO LET I I'LL LET YOU FINISH. SO LET ME FINISH SO THAT HE CAN, WOULDN'T GET ANY MORE COMPLAINTS SO THAT HE COULD DO HIS JOB? OR WILL YOU JUST KEEP YOUR MUSIC GOING AND GLANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE A DJ AND THAT'S YOUR JOB AND THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO? WELL, HERE'S THE QUESTION. THE OFFICER REEDS ON THE METER. NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I, I ASKED YOU. THAT'S, SIR, BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT IS WHAT'S NECESSARY. I DID. BECAUSE LOOK, HERE'S THE THING IS YOUR FEELINGS, PEOPLE'S FEELINGS [01:00:01] DON'T MATTER. HEY, HOLD ON. HEY, BECOMES A . HEY. ALL RIGHT. YOU DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION. HOLD ON, HOLD ON. WE'RE NOT GONNA YELL AT EACH OTHER. OKAY. WE'RE GONNA SPEAK RESPECTFULLY OR WE'RE NOT. 'CAUSE I'LL CUT. YES, MA'AM. GOOD. IF I'M BELOW 85 DECIBELS, THERE'S NO, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION, SIR. THAT'S UNDERSTAND. BUT THAT THE ANSWER, I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S MY ANSWER. IF I'M BELOW 85 DECIBELS I'M NOT. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE LAW REGULATES. IF I'M BELOW THE LAW, THEN THERE'S, THEN PEOPLE'S, WELL SEE THEN PEOPLE'S FEET, THEN, THEN YOU'RE TAKING FOOD OUTTA MY MOUTH BECAUSE I HAVE TO TURN. OKAY. YOU TAKING FOOD OUTTA MY MOUTH IN MY FAMILY'S MOUTH, BECAUSE I HAVE TO TURN THE MUSIC DOWN SO LOW, BECAUSE PEOPLE'S FEELINGS MATTER. BUT SEE, THAT'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAD IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WAS GETTING MM-HMM . SO MANY COMPLAINTS YEAH. THAT THE MUSIC WAS OUT. SO I'LL LET YOU TALK. SO I'M, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A CHANCE. OKAY. THAT WE WAS GETTING SO MANY COMPLAINTS MM-HMM . THAT THEY HAD TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE, SO THEY, SO IF THE DJS WOULD'VE WORKED WITH THE OFFICERS AND MAYBE TURNED THE MUSIC DOWN, AND MAYBE WE WOULDN'T BE AT THIS POINT, THEY WOULD'VE ED THEIR OWN SELF AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD COME TO THE COUNCIL. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. IT'S, IT'S, BUT AGAIN, IT IS NOT LIKE COUNCIL JUST WENT OUT AND PICKED THIS ORDINANCE, OR PICKED OR WANTED TO PICK ON SOMEBODY, WHATEVER THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US, BECAUSE IT WAS, BECAUSE THEY WASN'T RIGHT THERE BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION. SO HERE'S THE THING. YOU ASKED, ASKED PEOPLE TO SELF-REGULATED WHO SAID THEY REALLY DIDN'T. AND PEOPLE STILL CALLED BECAUSE THEIR FEELINGS, THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE SAID, TWO DAYS LATER, I WENT AND STOOD IN THE LADY'S BACKYARD MM-HMM . AND I COULD HEAR IT MYSELF AGAIN. SO THAT'S NOT, AGAIN, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE ACTING AND YOU JUST, AND YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU WOULDN'T WELL, BECAUSE I'M, I'M UNDER STATE LAW, STATE REGULATION. I'M UNDER THAT. THAT'S NOT SO, BUT, BUT YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP PEACE. HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND. SO THIS IS WHERE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF RUB HERE. MM-HMM . STATE LAW AND DIFFERENT ORDINANCES. SO IS, UH, ASSISTANT CHIEF LANGFORD HERE? YES. YEP. I CAN'T, SO I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE YOU. CAN YOU COME GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION ON THE DECIBEL LEVEL FOR ME, PLEASE? I, I, I'M NOT CUTTING YOU OFF. NO, I UNDERSTAND. I'LL LET YOU FINISH. BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE RUB HERE. YEAH. AS THE CITY MAN, UH, CITY ATTORNEY KIND OF EXPLAINED, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE, UH, BETWEEN WHAT STATE PENAL CODE LAW, UH, IS, WHICH DOES REST AT 85. WELL, THAT'S AND HEALTH AND SAFETY. THAT'S WHICH HAS AMENDED THE LAW. WELL, YEAH. THEY WROTE A BRAND NEW LAW SPECIFICALLY FOR RESTAURANTS. THIS IS TRUE. IT'S TYPICALLY FOR RESTAURANTS. AND WHEN WAS THAT? IT WAS THIS, THIS SUMMER. THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THIS SUMMER, YEAH. AND IT JUST PASSED. LET'S GO BACK TO THE 85 DECIBELS. IF WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, AND LET'S SAY IT'S 78, WE CAN STILL ASK THE BUSINESS OR WHOEVER'S PLAYING THE MUSIC TO MORE CORRECT. BECAUSE THERE IS A COMPLAINT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE 85 DECIBELS. CERTAINLY, UH, STILL, IT STILL CONSTITUTES A DISRUPTION OF THE PEACE. UM, THERE'S STILL SOMEONE IN THEIR HOME MAKE A COMPLAINT, WHETHER IT BE THEIR NEIGHBOR OR A BUSINESS DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S CAUSING, UH, A DISRUPTION TO THE PEACE AT THEIR HOME, WHICH EVERYBODY SHOULD ENJOY. WHETHER IT BE YOU OR ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON OR ANY OTHER CITY. UH, WHERE IT BECOMES A PROBLEM IS WHEN THERE'S A DISRUPTION TO THAT PIECE. EVERYBODY HAS THAT EXPECTATION TO BE ABLE TO LIVE IN THEIR HOMES FREE OF THOSE DISRUPTIONS. IF THESE LEVELS ARE SET. UH, IT'S A GUIDELINE FOR WHAT THE BUSINESSES SHOULD BE REGULATING THEMSELVES TO. BUT IT IS NOT A HARD LINE TO SAY THAT SOMEONE CAN'T COMPLAIN THAT I AM STILL, UH, BEING DISTURBED IN MY OWN HOME. OKAY. WAIT, WAIT. SO FOR THE PENAL CODE, THAT'S TRUE. 'CAUSE THAT'S JUST A PRESUMPTION SHIFT THERE. THEY SAY IF YOU REGISTERED THIS DECIBEL LEVEL, YOU'RE PRESUMED GUILTY. THAT'S ALL THAT IS. IT'S NOT A LIMIT. CORRECT. THIS ONE, IF THEY'RE DOING IN THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, IF THEY'RE DOING 70, 75 AND SOMEONE CAN STILL HEAR IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE TOLD THEM, YOU'RE AT 70, THEY'RE AT 70, 75. THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW. AND ACTUALLY WE CANNOT NOT DO ANYTHING. AND ACTUALLY THAT, AND ACTUALLY SAFETY, WE LOOKED IT UP AS WELL. THAT'S BETWEEN 75 AND 85 AS WELL. OKAY. UH, DON'T ARGUE WITH ME UNLESS YOU'VE GOT A BAR CARD IN YOUR BACK POCKET. DON'T ARGUE WITH ME. WE CAN LOOK UP THE STATE LAW. SO IT'S PUBLIC LAW, LIKE I SAID, IN THIS ORDINANCE, IF THEY'RE PLAYING AT 70, 75 AND SOMEONE STILL COMPLAINS, WE TELL THAT PERSON, THEY'RE FINE. THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE LAW. WE ARE NOT GONNA TELL THEM TO TURN IT DOWN. CORRECT? YES. IT'S MORE, YES. I THINK I REMEMBER SAYING SOME OF THE DATA THE POLICE OFFICERS RECORDED, IT WAS IN THE 9 2 100 PLUS DECIBEL RANGE. THAT IS CORRECT. WHEN THEY WERE DOING THEIR STUDIES, THERE WAS, THERE'S SOME READINGS THAT WERE UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED. YES, SIR. YES. IN THE INSTANCE WHERE WE, WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN HERE IS THAT WHERE THE FRUSTRATION OF THE CITIZENS HAPPEN IS THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THE CHIEF [01:05:01] IS THAT AN OFFICER DRIVES BY AND HEARS MUSIC, LET'S SAY IT'S 78, 7 79, AN OFFICER CANNOT BE OFFENDED. MM-HMM . AND SO THE FRUSTRATION IS THAT THERE, A NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE MAY, A RESIDENT MAY HEAR MUSIC AND THEY'RE CALLING AND THEY HAVE TO CALL AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE EVERY DAY IS A NEW OCCURRENCE. THE OF THE OFFICER CAN'T JUST SAY, LOWER THE MUSIC UNTIL WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT. AND SO REALLY WHAT HAS CREATED THE FRUSTRATION IS THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO, WHY DO I HAVE TO KEEP ON CALLING YOU? CAN YOU ADDRESS THIS AND RESOLVE THIS WITHOUT ME BEING INVOLVED? AND THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT'S CREATED THE FRUSTRATION WITH THE RESIDENTS AND, AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT IN THE INSTANCE OF USING STATE LAW, THE RESIDENT HAS TO GET INVOLVED. AND THEY'RE TIRED OF HAVING TO CALL THE PD TO ASK IT TO BE ADDRESSED. THEY WANT THE CITY, THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT YOU CAN BE PROACTIVE AND NIP THIS IN THE BUTT AND TAKE US THE RESIDENT OUT OF THE EQUATION? AND THIS IS THE TOOL THAT WE'RE HAVING TO HAND TO PD TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE, WHY WE'RE ARGUING. BUT EVEN AS, AS, AS THE ASSISTANT CHIEF STATED THAT IF WE ARE UNDER THE DECIBEL LIMIT WHEN THEY HAVE THESE COMPLAINTS, THE OFFICER'S NOT GONNA ASK US TO TURN THE MUSIC DOWN. THAT'S RIGHT. CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. SO, SO, BUT SO AGAIN, IT, IT COMES DOWN TO YOU'RE STILL GONNA GET THE COMPLAINTS BECAUSE SOUND CARRIES. MY VOICE CARRIES. I CAN, YOU CAN SIT THERE. I CAN BE JUST LIKE THIS, BE UNDER THE DEPO LIMIT. MY VOICE WILL STILL CARRY A BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY. RIGHT. BUT WE WERE ASKED BY, BY THE, BY ACTUALLY MR. DUKE AT THE LAST MEETING TO GIVE YOU SOME NUMBERS. RIGHT. GIVE US SOME METRICS, GIVE US SOME WAY, SOMEBODY SOME WAY TO MEASURE IT. SO WE'VE GIVEN IT TO YOU. YOU KNOW, 75 TO 85 IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. YEAH. OKAY. ANYTHING LOWER THAN THAT IS NOT THANK YOU, MR. KA. I MEAN, 'CAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT TAKING ALL THE SO AWAY. NO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK ANYTHING ELSE? NO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT. UH, MR. DUKE? NOPE. THE CUTEST CITIZEN AWARDS, NOT YOU THE BABY. NO. SORRY. GOT MY HOPES UP THERE FOR A MINUTE. UM, DANNY DUKE, UH, ACTUALLY LIVE IN KLUTE, BUT A GOOD PORTION OF MY WORK IS IN LAKE JACKSON, DOWNTOWN AREA, BEEF O BIRD'S BACKYARD PATIO. I'VE GOT SOME SHOWS AT WAYSIDE PUB AND SOME SHOWS COMING UP AT OTHER VENUES THAT I WON'T GET TOO DEEP INTO. BUT, UM, I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL GOING OUT AND DOING THE STUDY AND, AND COMING UP WITH SOME NUMBERS. I DO THINK THE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE LOW. UM, WHERE WOULD Y'ALL BE MEASURING FROM? PROPERTY LINE? PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM . UM, THE TIME IS MY BIGGEST THING. Y'ALL ARE DRASTICALLY IMPACTING SMALL BUSINESS. THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THEIR MONEY'S MADE. THE RENT IN DOWNTOWN IS NOT THE CHEAPEST TO HAVE A BUSINESS IN, IN GENERAL. AND IF YOU TAKE AWAY A GOOD 60, 70% OF SOME OF THESE PEOPLE'S INCOMES THAT COME IN, IN THE LAST TWO HOURS OF THE NIGHT, YOU ARE TAKEN AWAY FROM SMALL BUSINESS, TAKEN AWAY FROM CITIZENS THAT WORK IN THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES AND DRASTICALLY PUTTING THOSE BUSINESSES IN JEOPARDY. NOW, I, I WORK IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER COMMUNITIES FROM VICTORIA TO AUSTIN, AND I WOULDN'T BE AS AFFECTED AS SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES, BUT IT DOES AFFECT ME AS WELL. A LOT OF MY WEEKLY INCOME DURING THE WEEK IS HERE IN LAKE JACKSON. I DO A WEEKLY SHOW AT BEEF O BRADY'S EVERY WEEK. UH, KARAOKE, WHICH YOU'VE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT ABOUT. AND THAT'S CLOSER TO THE RESIDENCE THAN THE OTHER PLACES. OH, UH, YEAH. NOT ONE BEEF O BRADY'S COMPLAINT ON HERE. WHY? BECAUSE THE MUSIC'S INSIDE. I PLAYED OUTSIDE THERE ON SATURDAY FOR ST. PATTY'S DAY. DID Y'ALL GET ANY COMPLAINTS ON SATURDAY? NO. GOOD DEAL. AND, AND, AND I LIVE ONE BLOCK OVER FROM IT, AND THAT WAS OUTSIDE FIVE HOURS. AND WE HEAR THE MUSIC AND THEY, THEY DON'T, WE DON'T, PEOPLE DON'T. SO ALL YOU JUST DEMONSTRATED IS IT CAN BE DONE AND DONE WELL AND DONE RESPECTFULLY, AND BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. YOU CAN DO YOUR JOB, YOU CAN HAVE BUSINESS. I AGREE. AND DO THAT. I, I, I AGREE. AND I HAVE WORKED HARD TO NOT HAVE ANY CONTACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT SINCE OUR DECEMBER 1ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. RIGHT WHERE I GOT UP HERE, THE, THE LAST TIME I'VE WORKED REALLY HARD. I'VE ELIMINATED SUBWOOFERS FROM ALL MY DOWNTOWN SETUPS, UH, COMPLETELY SET UP IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT BETTER MAXIMIZE 'CAUSE BASE TRAVELS BACKWARDS. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SET UP NOW FACE THIS WAY THINKING THAT ALL THE SOUNDS GONNA GO THIS WAY. BUT BASE REVERBERATES BACKWARDS. AND THAT'S WHERE SOME OF THE VIBRATIONS ON WINDOWS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IS GONNA COME IN. BUT I'VE ELIMINATED THE SUBS FROM MY SYSTEMS DOWNTOWN. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OR ANY CONTACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. [01:10:01] I THINK THE TIMES ARE MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT ON THIS. I DON'T LIKE THE DECIBEL LIMITS, BUT I MEAN, I ASKED Y'ALL TO COME UP WITH SOME NUMBERS. Y'ALL DID THAT. MAYBE WE CAN ADJUST THOSE A LITTLE BIT. BUT, UM, THE TIMES ARE JUST, SO WE'VE HEARD ONE SUGGESTION AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING ON TIMES AND TONIGHT WE'VE HEARD A SUGGESTION ON DECIBEL. WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION ON TIMES? UM, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY BUSINESSES SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT ALL THE WAY WITHIN THEIR OPERATING HOURS. IT'S, IT'S UNFAIR TO THEY CAN, THEY CAN. NOBODY'S SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T, BUT THE NEIGHBORS CAN'T HEAR IT. SO TAKE IT INSIDE, TURN IT DOWN. I MEAN, WELL, NO PROBLEM WITH TURNING IT DOWN. YEAH. NOBODY IS SAYING YOU CAN'T HAVE THE, THE BUSINESS OR THE ENTERTAINMENT. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE POINT IS HERE. THE POINT IS, IS THAT AFTER A REASONABLE TIME, WHEN NORMAL PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY OVER THE AGE OF 40, IT WOULD BE ME OR IN BED, WE NEED TO GO TO BED. WE DON'T WANNA HEAR THAT. AND EVERYBODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP WITHOUT BEING WOKEN UP BY MUSIC DOWNTOWN. I DON'T ARGUE THAT ONE BIT. NO. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY SLEEP FROM ANY CITIZENS IN LAKE JACKSON, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE HERE. THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. THAT, THAT YOU JUST SUMMED UP WHY WE'RE HERE. YES. BUT THE THE TIMES ARE JUST CRAZY. 10:00 PM I MEAN, WELL, LET ME, LET ME TELL YOU, I'VE GOT THE CALL LOG RIGHT HERE. THE TIMES, THE TIMES THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING IN ARE AROUND 1130. 11 TO 1130, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE NORMALLY TRYING TO GO TO BED AND THE MUSIC IS STILL BANGING. SO WHERE DID WE GET 10:00 PM FROM STATE LAW? I THINK THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE WOULD NOTICE WOULD, WOULD, WAS SURPRISING IS THAT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS ACTUALLY WERE ON WEDNESDAYS, WHICH WAS ODD DURING THE WEEKEND. AND I THINK THAT WAS, AND THAT KIND OF TIES TO THE TREND OF THE COUPLE OF CALLS I RECEIVED, WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN ACCEPT A LITTLE BIT OF MUSIC ON THE, ON THE WEEKENDS. IT'S LIKE, IT'S DURING, YOU KNOW, IT'S DURING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE WEEK SO THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT'S THE REASON OF THE DIFFERENT TIMES. SO A LITTLE BIT LATER TIME ON THE WEEKEND AND 10:00 PM UH, DURING THE WEEKNIGHT. SO, UH, MR. DUKE, I APPRECIATE, I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US MORE ACTUAL TECHNICAL EDUCATION THAT I APPRECIATE . WELL, LIKE, LIKE MY MAIN THING IS, IS, IS, IS I, I FEEL LIKE, LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, IT ONLY TAKES A COUPLE OF, UH, PEOPLE OR INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS TO RUIN SOMETHING. NOT NECESSARILY THIS FOR ANYBODY, FOR FOR, FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S ALWAYS SOMEBODY THAT RUINS SOMETHING GOOD. BUT IT'S NO MATTER WHAT, IT'S, HOW ARE YOU ACTUALLY ELIMINATING THE PROBLEMS AT NIGHT BY ENFORCING IT ON EVERYBODY? WHY NOT CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT GIVES Y'ALL THE TOOLS TO PUNISH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE VIOLATING THE NEW ORDINANCE INSTEAD OF SHUTTING EVERYBODY'S INCOME DOWN UNILATERALLY AT 10 O'CLOCK? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT SOMEBODY'S GONNA BE STANDING THERE AT YOUR DOOR LISTENING, TELLING YOUR NOISE LEVEL. YOU CAN ONLY DO THAT IF SOMEBODY COMPLAINS. SO IF YOU ARE PLAYING THE MUSIC TILL MIDNIGHT AND YOU'RE NOT AT 80 DECIBELS BOTHERING ANYBODY WHO CARES ALL SOUND. WELL, I WILL WHENEVER Y'ALL COME GET ME A $300 TICKET. 'CAUSE SOMEBODY DOESN'T LIKE DANNY DUKE AND CALLED AND SAID HIS MUSIC WAS LOUD. I KNOW I'LL ANSWER THAT. YES, WE WILL ENFORCE THE ORDINANCES ON THE TIME. SO IF YOU ARE PLAYING PAST THE TIME, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, MOST LIKELY IF THE OFFICER DRIVES BY, HE'S GONNA TAKE, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. ALSO, AMPLIFY BETWEEN JU YOU CAN'T TALK IN THE AUDIENCE WHERE, COME TO THE PODIUM, WHERE IT WILL BE FUZZY CUT OFF IS THE OFFICERS ARE NOT DRIVING BY WITH THE SOUND METER AND STUFF. AND SO THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND SAYING, AH, IT'S 76, I'M GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SHUT DOWN. THEY WILL USE A CENTIMETER WHEN THEY START GETTING COMPLAINTS AND THEY TELL YOU YOU'VE GOT TO BRING IT UNDER THE ORDINANCE SAYS 75, YOU KNOW, ON THE SUB, WE'VE GOT A COMPLAINT, YOU GOTTA BRING IT DOWN A NOTCH. THAT STUFF, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE USING IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT DRIVING AROUND SOMEWHERE. BUT WE WILL HAVE TO ENFORCE THE TIME. WE DON'T HAVE THE DISCRETION TO TURN, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, THE OTHER WAY AND SAY, NO, WE WE'RE NOT GONNA ENFORCE IT. SO ON THE TIME WE DO, IF YOU'RE NOT ABIDING BY THE TIME, WE WILL HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT. BUT OUR OFFICERS ALSO DO STILL HAVE SOME DISCRETION. IF WE GET A COMPLAINT AND THEY'RE DRIVING BY AND, OH, YOU'RE AT 80 AND IT'S 1130. OUR OFFICERS ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT POPPING IN AND SAYING, I MEAN, MR. JACOBY HAS SAID, THEY'LL WAVE ACTION. SAY, HEY MAN, TAKE IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. THE PROBLEM COMES WHEN THEY'RE VISITING THE SAME PLACE TWO OR THREE TIMES A NIGHT AND THERE'S NO COMPLIANCE OR EVEN MULTIPLE TIMES A WEEK. I MEAN, THIS IS NOT ANYTHING NEW TO ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM [01:15:01] IN TERMS OF KEEP YOUR MUSIC DOWN. RIGHT? SO AN OFFICER SHOULD, WE SHOULD NOT BE USING THESE RESOURCES EVERY SINGLE NIGHT TO HAVE THE SAME CONVERSATION. AND ALL THIS DOES IS GIVE THEM SOME CLEAR PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES THAT THEY CAN USE TO DEAL WITH CITIZEN COMPLAINTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. OH, Y'ALL ASK FOR NUMBERS? OH, NO. LIKE, LIKE, I, I DO APPRECIATE Y'ALL LIKE, LIKE TAKING THE TIME. IT'S, IT'S BEEN SINCE DECEMBER 1ST WAS THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME WE'VE SPENT ON THIS. AND Y'ALL SPENT ON THIS AND Y'ALL SPENT THE MONEY ON THE EQUIPMENT TO DO IT. WE DID. AND HAVE IT ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. SO I DO APPRECIATE THE THOROUGHNESS ON THAT AS WELL. YEAH. BUT I JUST, I DON'T SEE, Y'ALL WILL SEE BUSINESSES CLOSING DOWNTOWN WITH THIS 10:00 PM AND 11:00 PM STUFF. I LIKE, LIKE Y'ALL WANNA REGULATE SOUND WITH DECIBEL READINGS. AND I UNDERSTAND THE CITIZEN DOESN'T WANT TO HAVE TO COMPLAIN, BUT MM-HMM . THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM UNLESS THERE'S A COMPLAINT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING AND THAT'S WHAT Y'ALL ARE TELLING US A LOT OF THE TIME. SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST. IT'S NOT FROM THE CITIZEN, IT'S NOT AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST TO WANT TO NOT HAVE TO COMPLAIN OR CALL AS MUCH. BUT SO DON'T MISUNDERSTAND ME AND SAY I'M NOT CARING ABOUT MY NEIGHBOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I PROMISE THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE Y'ALL TAKE AWAY MY POINT CORRECTLY ON THAT. UM, THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR FROM IN, IN BOTH MEETINGS SPECIFICALLY WERE THE, ONE OF THE DECIBEL READING BEING RAISED, I BELIEVE FIVE DECIBELS. SO THAT WOULD BE 75 AND 80, IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? AND THE OTHER ONE WAS FROM LAST TIME WAS TO ADD AN HOUR TO THE TIMES. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TO THE WORST OR IF IT WAS JUST IT WAS THE WORST HOUSE, OR IF IT WAS JUST ON THE WEEKEND TIME, WEEKEND, THE WEEKEND TIME, THE WEEKEND THE PARTY SATURDAY WOULD GO, I KNOW MR. DUKES SAID WAS SOME DURING, THEY COULD PLAY THE MUSIC ANYTIME DURING THEY'RE OPERATING, AND THEN YES, THAT WAS THE SECOND THAT IT WOULD BE PLAYED TO OPERATING HOURS. SO THAT'S, THERE'S THREE SUGGESTIONS. OKAY. I JUST FEEL THAT IF, LIKE, LIKE WITH THE NUMBERS Y'ALL SET, THERE'S NO REASON ANYBODY SHOULD HEAR IT OVER 70 AND 75, EVEN 80 DECIBELS. WE HOPE NOT. THAT WOULD SOLVE PROBLEMS, UM, PAST THOSE TIMES, IS WHAT I'M SAYING THOUGH. LIKE THERE'S JUST NO, I I DON'T SEE IT, I DON'T SEE COMPLAINTS COMING IN AT THOSE NUMBERS. EVEN THE THE ONES YOU JUST MENTIONED AND ADDING THE FIVE DECIBELS TO EACH NUMBER. I DON'T SEE THE COMPLAINTS COMING IN. I JUST KNOW SOUND IF, IF EVERYBODY IS ACTUALLY PLAYING TO THOSE LEVELS, Y'ALL WON'T HAVE THE COMPLAINTS COMING IN. AND IT'S A LOT EASIER TO GO BACK AND ADD SOMETHING LATER ON, LIKE ADDING THE TIMES TO AN ORDINANCE THAN IT WILL BE TO GET THE BUSINESSES BACK IN LAKE JACKSON IF Y'ALL'S CUT OFF TIMES SHUT DOWN BUSINESSES. EXCUSE ME, YOU SAID SAID WE WON'T HAVE COMPLAINTS AT THOSE LEVELS. I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT LEVEL, AT WHAT LEVELS? ON, ON, EVEN AT 85 DECIBELS. 85 DECIBELS, WHICH IS WHAT I'VE PRETTY MUCH SPENT THE LAST 16 YEARS DJING TO AT ANYWHERE WHERE I HAVE TO WATCH MY SOUND. UM, YOU DON'T GET COMPLAINTS AT 85 DECIBELS. YOU JUST GENERALLY DON'T. NOW I UNDERSTAND SOME PLACES ARE SMALLER, THERE IS GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT OF SOUND RADIATE, RADIATING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THE BUSINESSES. UM, AND, AND THAT'S A NATURAL PROBLEM DOWNTOWN HAS WITH THE WAY IT WAS BUILT BACK IN THE DAY WITH ALL THE SMALLER BUSINESSES BUILT ONTO EACH OTHER AND CLOSE TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A COMPLICATED MATTER, BUT I KNOW THAT THOSE TIMES, AND WE'RE TRYING TO WALK THE LINE FOR EVERYBODY WE ARE. I, I THINK WE JUST GO BACK TO THE SMALL PROBLEM. EVERYBODY POLICE THEIR OWN SELF. IF, IF, IF THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN WHO DJ UH, THE BUSINESS THAT'S HAVING THE, THE DIFFERENT DJS, IF OFFICERS COME IN A COUPLE TIMES AND YOU ARE GETTING THE COMPLAINTS WITH THE OFFICERS COMING IN A COUPLE TIMES, ONE, I CAN UNDERSTAND, MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU GET ANOTHER COMPLAINT, YOU'VE BEEN THE DJ, YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT UP ON YOUR, ON YOUR OWN SAYING, OKAY, WELL MAYBE I NEED TO TURN IT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT I'M IN. AND I MIGHT BE IN BAY CITY, I MIGHT BE IN IN FREEPORT, I MIGHT BE IN ANGLETON. AND THE SURROUNDING IS A LOT DIFFERENT AND I CAN PLAY IT AT 86 OR 85. BUT I'M HERE IN LAKE JACKSON, I'M MORE CLOSER TO THE RESIDENT AREA AND I HAVE TO BEND A LITTLE BIT TO, UH, TO, BECAUSE OF THE, THE, BECAUSE WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE RESIDENT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND MAYBE WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM AND, AND JUST WORK WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS OR WHOEVER THEY ARE. AND IF YOU DO GET A COUPLE COMPLAINTS BACK OFF IT A LITTLE BIT. [01:20:01] YES SIR. YES SIR. I AGREE 100%. AND, AND, AND I'M PRETTY SURE POLICE OFFICERS DON'T WANT TO GO GO DOWNTOWN AND HANG OUT DOWNTOWN. THEY GOT OTHER STUFF THEY GOT TO DO AND, AND, AND, AND STUFF THAT, AND COUNCILMAN BAKER MENTIONED ANGLETON, THEY HAVE ZERO AMPLIFIED MUSIC. THEY ALLOW NONE, JUST SO YOU KNOW. I PLAY IN ANGLETON, I'M PATIOS NO OUTSIDE AMPLIFIED MUSIC. THEY IS WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. THEY DO, THEY DO. OR MAYBE THEY DON'T ENFORCE IT, BUT THAT IS, YEAH, THEY PROBABLY DON'T ENFORCE IT. I PLAY ON PATIOS, ANGLETON ROADHOUSE SOCIAL. SO GOOD TALK. WE'VE GOT A GOOD TALK HERE. YES. AND WE'RE KIND OF STARTING TO HEAR SOME OF THE, THE SAME SUGGESTIONS WITH THE DECIBEL AND HOUR LEVEL. UM, CAN THEY, I'M GONNA GO AHEAD. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, MR. DUKE? I'LL JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZE WITHIN JUST A FEW WORDS. UM, THE, THE, THE DECIBELS, I DEFINITELY THINK 80 AND 85 IS A MORE REASONABLE NUMBER. I DON'T AGREE WITH THE TIMES AT ALL. I FEEL LIKE IF THOSE DECIBELS, IF THOSE LIMITS ARE MET AND, AND, AND PEOPLE STAY UNDER 'EM, Y'ALL WON'T HAVE A NEED FOR THESE TIMES. THERE'S THE, AND AND IT'S JUST PUTTING THESE BUSINESSES AT IN A LOT LESS RISK AS FAR AS LOSING THEIR CLIENTELE TO TOWNS THAT STAY OPEN ALREADY TILL 2:00 AM YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, THEY STOP BY, THEY GET OFF WORK, THEY COME TO LAKE JACKSON, THEY'LL HAVE A FEW DRINKS USUALLY FROM BETWEEN LIKE 9 30, 11 30, AND THEN THEY'LL ROLL TO FREEPORT SURFSIDE KICKS, WHEREVER THAT'S OPEN UNTIL TWO. BUT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE JUST GONNA BYPASS LAKE JACKSON ALTOGETHER AND JUST GO TO THOSE OTHER VENUE. WELL, WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD OUTDOOR MUSIC HERE IN LAKE JACKSON. THE WORST HOUSE BEEN HAVING OUTDOOR MUSIC FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS, I MEAN, AND NO WORSE COMPLAINTS. AND WE NEVER HAD ANY COMPLAINTS. YES. AND I'VE DONE MY BEST, I PROMISE, I PROMISE, UNTIL WE STARTED, UNTIL WE STARTED GETTING THE, THE LAST TWO BUSINESS. WITH ALL OF THIS, I'VE BEEN VIGILANT WITH MY SOUND AND, AND, AND KEEPING MYSELF CONTAINED. AND I FEEL LIKE WITH THE ATTENTION THAT'S BEEN PUT ON THIS THE LAST FEW DAYS, AND WE APPRECIATE, I'M HOPING EVERYBODY ELSE, WE APPRECIATE IT. HEY, I'M SORRY I THE AUDIENCE, WE DO NEED TO KEEP THE TALKING TO THE MIDDLE. ALL OF OUR MEETINGS ARE RECORDED, SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HEAR THE COUNCIL PEOPLE AND THE CITIZEN WHO'S AT THE PODIUM. AND, UH, IT INTERFERES WITH THE SOUND. I WON'T TAKE ANY MORE OF Y'ALLS TIME. I THANK YOU'ALL, GOT MY POINTS. I APPRECIATE, WE APPRECIATE THANK YOU MR. DUKE. OKAY, MS. LIZ CANINO, UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON, ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS. I'M ONE OF THE RESIDENTS HEAD HAS, JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. OH, SORRY. LIZ CANINO. I LIVE ON MISSILE TOE AND OKAY. LAKE JACKSON. MA'AM, CAN YOU GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE? YOU'RE SOFT RIGHT HERE. I'M SORRY. I'M HARD HEARING. OH, OKAY. UM, WE NEED A LITTLE MORE AMPLIFIED . YEAH. UM, MR. BAKER, WE'VE BEEN HOMEOWNERS IN LAKE JACKSON FOR ALMOST 30 YEARS NOW. WE'VE LIVED IN OUR CURRENT HOME FOR 25 YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, MR. BAKER WAS JUST LIVED DOWN THE STREET. YEAH. MR. BAKER WAS JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF, LIKE THE WORST HOUSE, YOU KNOW, HARDIN CREEK, WHICH WAS THE WINE REVIEW, RIGHT? YEAH. UM, WHAT'S THE FILL STATION, WHICH I'VE ACTUALLY GONE TO WATCH BANDS AT THESE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE PLACES BEFORE, BUT NEVER IN THE 25 YEARS THAT WE'VE LIVED THERE. HAVE WE EVER HEARD THIS NUISANCE NOISE COMING FROM DOWNTOWN LIKE WE HAVE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS? UM, YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ON SOME OF THE POINTS THAT YOU, UH, RHONDA, YOU AND MR. MUNDO TOUCHED ON, YOU KNOW, UM, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING. WE'VE STARTED SLEEPING WITH THE SOUND MACHINE. WE'VE HAD GRAND BABIES COME OVER THAT JUST CONSTANTLY GET WOKEN UP. UM, WE . UM, IT'S, IT'S LIKE YOU, IT DON'T, YOU DON'T JUST HEAR THE MUSIC. YOU FEEL IT, YOU'RE IN BED AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP AND IT BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. I THINK IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN THE AREA THAT'S AFFECTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA ARE DEALING WITH. UM, IF I COULD, COULD I PLAY Y'ALL SOMETHING, UM, ON MY PHONE? YEAH. UM, JUST, THIS IS ONE OF MANY, UM, RECORDINGS THAT I HAVE. UM, AND THIS IS JUST, UM, ON MY BACKYARD PATIO. UM, AND HOLD IT UP TO THE MICROPHONE WHEN YOU, OKAY, HANG ON JUST A SECOND. LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET THIS WITHOUT HIM. POINT SEVEN MILES. I'M FARTHER. SHE'S 0.7 MILES AWAY. YES. SO WE CAN'T EVEN SIT OUT ON OUR PATIO IN THE EVENINGS OR IF THE GRANDKIDS ARE OVER IN THE EVENINGS. AND THIS RECORDING, THESE RECORDINGS ARE AT LIKE NINE. THIS IS IN DECEMBER AT LIKE 9 15, 9 18, [01:25:01] YOU KNOW, AND WHAT OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN WITH THESE ESTABLISHMENTS, AND IF YOU LISTEN CLOSELY, YOU CAN HEAR THE VULGAR LYRICS. YOU KNOW, ONE NIGHT MY HUSBAND WAS OUT DOING MAINTENANCE ON HIS, ONE OF HIS VEHICLE, AND YOU COULD JUST HEAR THE VULGAR, VULGAR LYRICS. AND FINALLY HE HAD ENOUGH. HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S ENOUGH OF THAT. CALL THE POLICE. YOU KNOW? UM, AND JUST, UM, LIKE, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, HOW YOUR HOME IS SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR, YOUR PLACE OF PEACE AND REST AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T EVEN SIT OUT ON OUR PATIO AND ENJOY AN, YOU KNOW, A NICE EVENING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THAT. AND OUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT AS THE NIGHT GOES ON, THE LOUDER THEY GET, AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THEY START ADVERTISING THAT THEY'RE GONNA HAVE DJS STARTING AT LIKE EIGHT, NINE O'CLOCK. YOU KNOW, LIKE Y'ALL SAID ABOUT THE TIME THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING READY TO WIND DOWN TO GET READY TO GO TO BED, RELAX, AND GO TO BED. THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. AND THE THE, YOU KNOW, THE MORE THE, YOU KNOW, AS THE LIGHT GOES ON, THE LOUDER THEY GET. THAT HAS BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE. AND MANY TIMES, MY HUSBAND AND I, IN THE BEGINNING, WE USED TO JUMP IN THE CAR 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED SO CLOSE. WE DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED ON THE STREET BEHIND US. UM, BUT WE'D GET IN THE CAR AND FOLLOW THE SOUND DOWNTOWN TO BE SURE WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM. AND WE WOULD SAY, OH, HERE THEY GO. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA START THE, WHAT WE WOULD CALL A CRANK IT UP CONTEST. 'CAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE IN COMPETITION AND LIKE THEY WERE JUST, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS WHAT MR. GEE SAID LAST TIME, ONE, ONE PLACE WOULD TURN IT UP AND THEN THE OTHER PLACE WOULD TURN IT UP. AND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A BATTLE OF WHO'S GOT THE BEST EQUIPMENT. BUT WE'VE ALSO, UM, DRIVEN AROUND, YOU KNOW, FOLLOWING THE SOUND TO THE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS LIKE BRODY'S, PHIL STATION, THE WORST HOUSE, YOU KNOW, CLOSET OF TEQUILA. WE DROVE AROUND ALL OF THEM AND YOU COULD NOT HEAR ANYTHING FROM THOSE OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS. JUST THOSE TWO WERE BLARING. YOU KNOW, UM, SATURDAY NIGHT WE PICKED UP A PIZZA FROM, UM, DOWNTOWN AND THE MUSIC WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, CRA IT WAS PRETTY LOUD, YOU KNOW? AND WHEN WE GOT HOME, WE WERE WALKING IN OUR BACK DOOR AND I SAID, ISN'T THAT WILD? I SAID, AS YOU KNOW, AS LOUD AS THE MUSIC WAS DOWNTOWN, WE COULD STILL FAINTLY HEAR IT WHEN WE GOT TO OUR HOUSE. I SAID, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW LOUD IT IS DOWNTOWN WHEN WE CAN HEAR IT SO LOUD THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S IN OUR BACKYARD? YOU KNOW? SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, LIKE I SAID, DEALING WITH THIS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TAKING THE, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT THE LIFE, THE LIVES OF THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, THEIR PEACE, YOU KNOW, THEIR HEALTH. YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP OR, YOU KNOW, THE STRESS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CAUSES YOU JUST GETTING IRRITATED, HAVING TO CALL THE POLICE. AND A LOT OF THE TIMES I WOULD WAIT TO CALL THE POLICE WHERE I JUST COULDN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'D AS THE NIGHT WENT ON, YOU KNOW, I, THEY FINALLY SAY, THAT'S ENOUGH. YOU KNOW? UM, I MEAN, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE INSIGHT ON WHAT A RESIDENT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, IS DEALING WITH. YEAH. THANK YOU MS. KIN. HAVE YOU NOTICED IT GETTING ANY BETTER? I, IT HAS. THEY HAVE, I'VE NOTICED THEY HAVE THROTTLED BACK A LITTLE BIT LATELY, BUT I THINK IT'S BECAUSE OF ALL THIS THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE UNDER SCRUTINY AND OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I WENT TO THAT. UM, BUT I, WE STILL, I THINK LA WAS IT LAST THURSDAY? YOU COULD HEAR IT PRETTY GOOD. AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, SATURDAY WE COULD HEAR IT, BUT JUST FAINTLY, YOU KNOW, UM, BUT OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU. COMING TONIGHT ALL MR. HUNTER. MY NAME IS GARY HUNTER, ONE 17 MESQUITE. UM, MR. HUNTER, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU HERE FOR JUST A SECOND. OUR, OUR FIBER LIGHT GUYS THAT Y'ALL DON'T, Y'ALL DON'T HAVE TO STAY FOR THE WHOLE THING UNLESS YOU'RE JUST ENTERTAINED , I KIND TO TELL YOU. SO ANYWAYS, OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT MR. HUNTER. NO PROBLEM. YEAH. UH, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'LL HAVE TO AGREE WITH, UH, THE LAST PERSON, UM, UH, SHE, UM, NOTICED THAT IT HAS GONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I HAVE TWO, UH, I THINK I MAY HAVE A, A LARGE PART TO DO WITH, UH, ELIMINATING THE BASE SPEAKERS. UH, 'CAUSE THAT IS THE, THE DRIVER THAT SENDS THE MUSIC OVER A LONG DISTANCE, UH, IS THE ONE THAT REVERBERATES THROUGH YOUR BODY AND THROUGH YOUR WINDOWS IN YOUR HOUSE. BUT YOU CAN STILL HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE MUSIC, IT TENDS TO BLEND IN WITH A LOT OF THE STREET NOISE. I'LL HAVE TO SAY THAT. UM, AND THEN IF YOU'VE PROBABLY NOTICED, I HAVEN'T BEEN MAKING ANY MORE COMPLAINTS . SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE, UH, ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN. UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE ANY PROBLEMS FOR THESE TWO BUSINESSES AS LONG AS THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND. UH, IF THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THE POLICE TO COME OUT, THERE'S NO NEED [01:30:01] FOR THEM TO GET CITED WITH A CLASS C MISDEMEANOR OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I'VE REALLY GOT TO SAY. THINGS HAVE BEEN GETTING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. UM, AND I THINK THIS IS MANAGEABLE. I THINK, UH, IT'S NOT GONNA SHUT DOWN ANY BUSINESSES JUST BECAUSE 10 O'CLOCK CAME BY AND IF THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, THERE'S NO PROBLEM. AND THAT'S ALL WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THEM ALL, ALL THIS TIME. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU MS. HUNTER. OKAY, MS. MADISON HARPER. HELLO. UM, I, MY NAME'S MADISON STATE. OKAY. AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? UM, I LIVE ON FLAG DRIVE WEST. OKAY. IN LAKE JACKSON. I'M A BARTENDER AT CA TEQUILA. OKAY. UM, I KNOW, YEAH. WE HOPE, WE HOPE WE DON'T HEAR THE MUSIC ON FLAG DRIVE NOW, . NO, DEFINITELY NOT. OKAY. UM, I JUST, I'LL BE QUICK. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, UM, THAT I OBVIOUSLY DON'T AGREE WITH, UM, THIS, BECAUSE MOST OF OUR BUSINESS, WELL, I MAKE MOST OF MY MONEY AROUND THE TIMES OF LIKE NINE TO LIKE ONE IN THE MORNING. UM, AND I AM GOING TO SCHOOL. AND SO THAT'S HOW I PAY TO GO TO SCHOOL. AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE, FINANCIAL HELP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF WHERE I'M COMING FROM WITH IT. UM, SORRY, WHAT ARE YOU IN SCHOOL FOR? UM, BUSINESS MANAGEMENT. UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO SAY, BUT, OKAY. NO, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING. IT'S, IT TAKES, IT TAKES SOME COURAGE TO GET UP AND TALK TO A COUNSELOR IN A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. SO, UH, THAT'S WHAT I SAID AT THE BEGINNING IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR IS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK IN SCHOOL. THANKS. OKAY. AND LAST NONETHELESS IS THE WILD, WILD WEST. MR. JESSE JAMES. OH MAN. . EXCUSE ME. I LOVE THAT NAME. DO YOU, I BET YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA BE A WHITE MAN TOO. DID YOU WITH THE BEARD. COME ON, MAN. ALL RIGHT. HOW Y'ALL DOING? I'M JESSE JAMES. UM, I LIVE IN WEST COLUMBIA. I USED TO LIVE IN WEST, UM, LAKE JACKSON. I LIVED HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. UM, BEEN IN THE DJ INDUSTRY FOR 26 YEARS. I KNOW I LOOK YOUNG, BUT I'M 53 BLACK. DON'T CRACK UNLESS YOU SMOKING IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? WORKS TO LIVE BY THOUGH. IT'S JUST A JOKE THOUGH. BUT, UM, LISTEN, I'VE BEEN IN THE GAME FOR 26 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE EVER WITNESSED ANYTHING AS FAR AS NOISE COMPLAINTS. I DJ FROM ALL, ALL OVER BRAZORIA COUNTY, FROM WEDDINGS, CORPORATE EVENTS. ACTUALLY, DID Y'ALL SUMMERFEST OVER HERE AT THE PARK THIS SUMMER? OKAY, I DID THAT FOR Y'ALL. UM, BUT THE NOISE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COME TO A SOLUTION WITH THE 10 O'CLOCK, THE 11 O'CLOCK. I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT. THE, UM, 75 TO 85 DECIBELS IS REASONABLE. WE HAVE CUT BACK ON SOUND AS FAR AS THE SUBWOOFERS AND EVERYTHING. I DON'T USE 'EM NO MORE. IF I DO TAKE 'EM, THE BASE IS ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHERE THE BASS DON'T TRAVEL. YEAH. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON SOUND. UM, ME PERSONALLY, LIKE LJPD HAS COME UP TO ME AND ASKED ME TO TURN THE MUSIC DOWN. THIS WAS PROBABLY LAST YEAR WHEN IT FIRST STARTED. SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER. EVERY TIME THEY CAME, I'M TURNING IT DOWN. ME. I AIN'T TRYING TO GO TO JAIL. . LOOK, RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE I'M ON TRIAL AND I AIN'T NEVER BEEN ON TRIAL. BUT ANYWAY, UM, YOU ARE NOT ON TRIAL. LISTEN, BASICALLY THAT'S ALL WE ASKING. IF THEY YEAH, YEAH. COMPLAINTS. WE, WE, WE COMPLIED. LIKE I, ME PERSONALLY TURN IT DOWN. I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY DON'T COME BOTHER YOU, THEN YES, YES. HAVE YOUR MUSIC. AND THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE PERSONALLY COME UP TO ME AND ASK ME TO TURN IT DOWN. I'M NOT FINNA ARGUE WITH 'EM. THEY'RE THE POLICE. I'M GONNA RESPECT THEM. WE GOTTA RESPECT WHAT'S LAW SAYING? THEY'RE NOT GONNA COME UP THERE JUST TO HAVE . NO, NO. OF COURSE SOMEBODY CALLED. UM, BUT MY THING IS, WHEN YOU'RE GETTING CALLS FROM THE SAME PERSON EVERY TIME YOU SAY YOU PROBABLY GOT, WHAT, 40, 50, A HUNDRED COWS, WHATEVER, HOW MANY OF THOSE CALLS PROBABLY CAME FROM THE SAME PERSON? NO, THERE'S A, THERE'S A WIDE VARIETY OF PEOPLE. IT IS NAMES ON HERE. AND THE, THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE COME ACROSS, THAT THERE'S SOMETIMES PEOPLE CALL AND THEY DON'T WANNA GIVE THEIR NAMES. RIGHT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, AND I, THEY DON'T WANNA GET INVOLVED IN THIS STUFF, BUT THEY ALSO WANNA GO TO BED. RIGHT. SO, UH, BUT NO, THERE IS A WIDE VARIETY OF NAMES ON HERE. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO, UM, AND MY THING IS, US AS DJS, WE PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT. YEAH. UM, EVEN AT BACKYARD BODEGA, WE'VE HAD NURSES COME THROUGH HAVING BIRTHDAY PARTIES THERE. WE'VE HAD, UH, SCHOOL TEACHERS GOT A WATCH THOSE NURSES, MAN, GET OFF. LOOK, I USED TO BE MARRIED TO ONE. I SAID NEVER AGAIN. I'M A NURSE. I KNOW IT. THAT'S WHY I SAID DUDE, , THEY'RE A LITTLE MEAN. BUT, UM, NO, UM, WE PROVIDE ENTERTAINMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE DO AS DJS, YOU KNOW, AND [01:35:01] WE'RE USED TO, WE'RE USED TO LOUD MUSIC. BUT ONE THING ABOUT THOSE TWO BUSINESSES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THOSE ARE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES. SO THE SOUND IS GOING TO TRAVEL MORE CAST TEQUILAS INSIDE. A LOT OF THESE BUSINESSES ARE INSIDE. THE SOUND IS GOING TO BEEF O BRADY'S INSIDE. A LOT OF THE SOUND IS GOING TO TRAVEL BECAUSE THOSE ARE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES. WELL, MR. DUKE SAID HE PLAYED OUTSIDE AT BEEF O BRADY'S SATURDAY. AND THAT'S CLOSER, THAT'S CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTIAL. WHAT TIME, WHAT TIME WERE YOU DONE THERE? TWO TO SEVEN. TWO TO SEVEN. IN THE DAYTIME. YEAH. DAYTIME. SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THE DAYTIME, IT'S MORE NOISE. MORE NOISE. YES. NIGHTTIME SOUND TRAVELS AT NIGHT. YEAH. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HEAR THAT AT BEVO BRADY'S. RIGHT. SO, UM, MY THING IS COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT'S REASONABLE FOR EVERYBODY. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? TAKING AWAY THE SUBS. ELIMINATING SUBWOOFERS. OKAY. ELIMINATING WHAT? THE SUB SUB, THAT'S WHERE THE BASE COMES AS RATTLING YOUR WINDOWS. THAT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY FEELING THE SOUND IN THEIR HOUSE. WE CAN ELIMINATE THE SUBS. THAT CAN BE OUR NUMBER ONE SOLUTION RIGHT THERE TO WHERE THE BASE WON'T TRAVEL. ME PERSONALLY, I WENT OVER TO CHIFFON WHEN WE GOT NOISE COMPLAINTS ONE TIME, ROLLED MY WINDOWS DOWN, TRYING TO BE, DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU TOLD, UM, KOBE TO DO. MM-HMM . I DID THAT, BUT I COULD STILL HEAR THE SOUND, BUT IT WAS FAINT. MM-HMM . I DON'T THINK THAT SOUND WOULD TRAVEL IN THE HOUSE. WELL, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU, WHEN I DID THAT, I WAS A LITTLE SHOCKED, FRANKLY, BECAUSE I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED IS I THOUGHT IT CAN'T BE THAT LOUD. YEAH. IT'S TOO FAR AWAY. AND I HAD, WE ROLLED OUR WINDOWS DOWN, GOING ACROSS OYSTER CREEK DRIVE. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. BUT WHEN I GOT IN THAT BACKYARD, I COULD MAKE THE WORDS THAT I WAS SHOCKED. I'M NOT, YOU KNOW YEAH. A TECHNICAL GENIUS WITH HOW SOUND TRAVELS. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAY. SO WAS SURPRISED. SAY. YEAH. AND UM, LIKE I SAID, WIND DIRECTION AND EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH THAT. SO IT'S FOLIAGE ON THE TREES. I'M SURE THAT MATTERS. YEAH. IT'S GONNA CHANGE UP. YEAH. SO, UM, MY THING IS KEEPING THE DECALS BETWEEN 75 AND 85, ANYTHING OVER 85? NO, THAT'S A PROBLEM. UM, THE TIME CHANGE, 10 11. NO, THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA REALLY HURT PEOPLE. NO, I'VE BEEN IN THE, LIKE I SAID, I'VE, I WORKED IN THE CHEVRON FOR 32 YEARS. I LEFT THERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO WORK FOR MYSELF'S. AMAZING. YOU CAN STILL HEAR TO WORKING IN THE PLANT. I WAS A SUPERVISOR. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, I, I ACTUALLY LEFT THERE A YEAR AND A HALF AGO TO WORK FOR MYSELF BECAUSE, UM, SO THAT'S WHAT I DO NOW. I JUST, STRICTLY ENTERTAINMENT. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, BUT MY THING IS TO KEEP, KEEP THE TIMES THE SAME AND, UM, LET'S JUST REGULATE THE SOUND OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING THE PROBLEM. 1, 1, 1 MORE SUGGESTION. I HEARD HER SAYING ABOUT THE NESS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. ONE THING ABOUT IT, US AS DJS, WE CATER TO ALL AGES. MM-HMM . WE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING INTO THESE BUSINESSES. THAT'S FROM 21 TO 60. THIS PAST WEEKEND, I HAD A WOMAN CAME IN THERE, 55 YEARS OLD. I WAS, SHE WAS A MEXICAN LADY. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HA NO BIRTHDAY SONG. YOU KNOW WHAT SHE WANTED ME TO PLAY BIRTHDAY B***H, WHICH IS A, WHICH IS A SONG. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW. AND, UM, I'M LIKE, OKAY, THIS WOMAN SPICY. WHAT? SO, YOU KNOW, SO I PLAYED IT. SO NO DISRESPECT TO YOU MA'AM, OR YOUR HUSBAND OR ANYBODY. WE CATER TO EVERYBODY AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. 'CAUSE UM, IF I DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT TYPE OF MUSIC, I PROBABLY WOULD MAKE A COMPLAINT TOO. UM, SO NOT WHEN MY GRANDKIDS IN THE BACKYARD. THAT'S WHY WE'RE, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A BUSINESS WHERE WE'RE ENTERTAINING PEOPLE. KEEP IT, KEEP IT IN THE BUSINESS. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE WITH YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ST STAY UP HERE WITH US. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO, UM, A LOT OF THE CONSISTENT SUGGESTIONS, WHICH IS GOOD. UM, SO, SO YOU GAVE US A SUGGESTION. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF SUGGESTION CAN YOU GIVE TO, TO THE, UH, RESTAURANTS? UH, WE DON'T CALL 'EM BARS OR WHATEVER THAT, UM, I BELIEVE THE RESTAURANTS HAVE BEEN DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE THEY TOLD US THAT THEY'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS. I, I WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THE LAST MEETING. I WANTED TO BE HERE, BUT I COULDN'T MAKE IT. BUT, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH US DJS AND, AND, UM, LIKE KOBE WALKS AROUND WITH A DECIMAL METER. HE DOES ALL THAT STUFF. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT DOWNTOWN. GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, LIKE I SAID, GO OUT, SHOP ON, GO ACROSS. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I SAID I JUST DID THAT GO OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ONE DAY. RIGHT. GO OUT. I MEAN, GO SEVERAL DAYS AND READ IT. YEAH. AND, AND READ IT. IT MIGHT, IT MIGHT NOT. I CAN BE HONEST WITH YOU. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. RIGHT. I LIVE ON THE FIRST STREET. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME. YEAH. SOMETIMES IT BOTHERS ME AND SOMETIMES IT DON'T. RIGHT, RIGHT. SOMETIMES I SIT ON MY PATIO AND I I HAVE A GOOD TIME, A FREE GOOD TIME. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO IT, IT ALL DEPENDS. IT, AND THEN SOMETIME YOU HEAR THE VO MUSIC AND YOU DON'T WANT, YOU DON'T WANNA HEAR IT. YOU HAVE YOUR GRANDKIDS OR YOU HAVE YOUR I GET [01:40:01] IT. I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, I MEAN, GET ON WITH THE MUSIC AND THEN MOVE ON. DON'T STAY ON THE RIGHT. THE RIGHT. AND, AND, UM, THE, THE, WITH ME D THEN I TRY TO KEEP IT MORE R AND B AS COUNTRY AS, YOU KNOW, LESS VULGARNESS. WELL, YOU CAN, WE PLAY IT, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THAT. YOU MIGHT HEAR A SONG. ALL THAT WILL BE ALL. YEAH. YEAH. AND, AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE PROBLEM IS COMING INTO. WE'RE JUST NOT SAYING THAT. I KNOW THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE PROBLEM IS COMING TO IS THE, IT IS THE TYPE OF MUSIC, YOU KNOW. AND, UM, THAT COULD ALSO BE A PROBLEM. AND I RESPECT THAT BECAUSE ME, AS A, A DAD OF POOR GIRLS, THERE'S NO WAY I WOULD LET MY DAUGHTER LISTEN TO SEXY RED OR, OR THAT GARBAGE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? IT'S A, IT IS A RAP FEMALE THAT'S STRICTLY TRASH MUSIC TO ME. I'M NOT LETTING MY DAUGHTER LISTEN TO THAT. SO I GET WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE SAYING. THERE'S NO DISPUTE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER'S NOT LISTENING TO THAT CRAP. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT LIKE I SAY, WE ENTERTAIN PEOPLE THAT DO SO, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT THE PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES JUST SHOULDN'T HAVE TO. AND WE DON'T MEAN FOR TO TRAVEL TO THEIR HOME RESPECTABLE. YEAH. WE DON'T MEAN, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHAT WE ASKED. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING. BUT WE ASKED THAT THREE MONTHS AGO. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN ASKING, I GET IT. AND, AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IT. LIKE I SAID, THE CALLS ARE CLEARLY BECAUSE THE CALLS ARE DECREASING. YES. WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS IT, MR. THEY SAID IT'S GOTTEN BETTER. IT'S STILL THERE. YES. SO IT IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER. YEAH. WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS IT. SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS, TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOODS, EVERYTHING. SO WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT DO WE DO? NO, WHAT DO WE DO WHEN, BECAUSE I'M PERSONALLY NOT WILLING TO SIGN ON TO SAYING YOU IN YOUR PROFESSION THAT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. RIGHT. CAN'T USE WHATEVER EQUIPMENT. RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR EQUIPMENT. YEAH. SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING YOU SEEN A POLICE OFFICER THAT THEY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING THEY DON'T WHAT A WOOFER IS SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T USE SUBWOOFERS OR WHATEVER. YES. YES. WHAT, WHAT DO Y'ALL HAVE? WHAT Y'ALL HAVE? HOLD HOLD ON, HOLD ON. LEMME FINISH. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING THAT. SO I WOULDN'T AGREE TO THAT BEING PART OF THE ORDINANCE OF RIGHT. DICTATING TO YOU WHAT KIND OF RIGHT EQUIPMENT YOU CAN USE. RIGHT. I'M NOT EDUCATED ABOUT THAT. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, THE TIME AND THE DECIBELS ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE CAN USE THE TIME AND THE DECIBELS AND, AND WHAT Y'ALL HAVE IN WRITING IS AMPLIFIED MUSIC. CORRECT. ALL MUSIC THAT WE USE IS AMPLIFIED. OKAY. EVERYTHING IS AMPLIFIED. WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT EITHER. YES. BOXES, EVERYTHING IS AMPLIFIED. OKAY. SO THAT, THAT NEEDS TO BE PROBABLY TAKEN OUT BECAUSE NO, THAT A MICROPHONE, THAT'S THE HEART, THAT'S THE HEART OF THE ORDINANCE. IS THAT, IS THE HEART OF THE ORDINANCE, IS AMPLIFIED MUSIC. LET'S JUST STICK TO DECIBELS. INSTEAD OF AMPLIFIED MUSIC. YEAH. TAKE AWAY OUR RADIO SHOULD TAKE AWAY TV. YES. EVERYTHING IS AMPLIFIED. SO WITH THAT WORD, OKAY. HEY, HEY, HEY. WE'RE NOT TALKING FROM THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, WELL, THAT SHIP HAS SAILED BECAUSE WE'RE ABOUT TO WRAP THIS UP. YEAH. OKAY. I GOT YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO WE GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF THE CONSISTENT, UH, WITH THE DECIBELS SOME TIMES, BUT MY THING IS THE TIMES. YEAH. AND THE DECIBELS, I SAY WE KEEP IT BETWEEN 75 AND 85. ANYTHING ABOVE 85, WE SHOULD BE GOOD. DO AWAY WITH THE SUBWOOFERS, WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF THE SOUND IS. THAT'S UP TO Y'ALL. IT'S COME. NO, THIS IS WHAT I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT'LL HELP EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THE SOUND AGREED THOUGH. BUT THAT, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR YOU AS A MUSIC PERSON TO DO. BUT ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE NEED IS THE POLICE GOING OUT AND GETTING A DEBATE WHETHER THIS IS A SUBWOOFER OR NOT. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THAT IN REGULATION. NO WAY. YOU'RE NOT GONNA THAT. NO, NO. SO WE JUST NEED TO REGULATE THE SOUND. YOU CAN DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S NOT A GREAT IDEA. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT THAT. NO, I GOT YOU. I GOT YOU. AND I UNDERSTAND, LEMME ASK THIS QUESTION, REGULATING THE DECIBEL C THOUGH, IN ESSENCE DOES THE SAME THING. IS IS THAT THAT'S COMPLETELY SUBWOOFER EVERYTHING YOU SEE. I'M ASKING WHAT, WHAT THE REASON I BROUGHT UP SUBWOOFER IS 'CAUSE Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER DETERMINING WHAT'S TRAVELING THE BASE OR THE, OR THE WORDS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. SO THERE'S, WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE DON'T CARE WHICH ONE IT IS. SO SOMEBODY BROUGHT IT UP, UP HERE. THIS YEAH. ONE OF THE RESIDENTS DID, BUT THE STATE LAW HAS BOTH. THEY ADDRESS BOTH. RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. HIGH AND THE LOW. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED BOTH. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S THE SUBWOOFERS OR THE HIGH ROOFERS OR WHATEVER. PEOPLE ARE . SO WE JUST NEED TO REGULATE THE SOUND TO WHERE IT'S NOT OVER 85 DECIBELS. DO IT OCCURRED TO THAT AND LEAVE THE TIMES 12. LEAVE THE TIMES LIKE THEY ARE. OKAY. SO COUNSEL, YOU SEE, THANK YOU MR. JAMES. YES, MA'AM. DO APPRECIATE IT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO COUNSEL, THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE AS IT IS WITH DECIBELS. IT'S 70 AND 75 AND UH, 10:00 PM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YES. DO I I I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THIS AS WRITTEN. WELL, HOLD ON. WAS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? HUH? [01:45:01] IS THERE ANYBODY HAVING IDEAS UP HERE BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION? COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN IDEA. OKAY. EXCEPT, UH, EXCEPT THIS ORDINANCE AS IS WRITTEN AND SIX, SEVEN MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, COME BACK AND REVISIT IT. THESE PEOPLE TOLD US TWO MONTHS AGO THAT THEY WERE GOING TO WRITE THINGS DOWN AND THIS IS WHAT WE GOT. SINCE THEY, THEY COME IN AND TALK. SO TALK'S CHEAP TO ME. OKAY. AND THAT'S THIS LIKE IT IS, AND WE COME BACK AND REVIEW IT AND SEE, SEE HOW THEY CHANGE THINGS. OKAY. IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS AND CLARITY, I WILL SAY THAT THIS IS A YEAR'S WORTH RIGHT HERE. HUH? THIS IS, THIS CALL LIST IS NOT JUST SINCE DECEMBER. UM, THIS IS ACTUALLY SINCE THE JANUARY OF 25. I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I HAVE A SUGGESTION AS WELL. OKAY. UH, THAT WE, UH, WE HEARD LOT ABOUT HURTING THE BUSINESSES, THE BUSINESS HOURS. AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE, UH, COMPROMISE BY, UH, CHANGING THE DECIBEL TO 75 AND 75 AND, UH, ALLOW THEM EXTRA HOUR ON WEEKEND TO MIDNIGHT. OKAY. SO THAT WAY PEOPLE WHO ARE WANTING TO SLEEP ON DURING WORKDAY, THEY CAN STILL, UH, HAVE PEACE BY AT 10 O'CLOCK, BUT NOT HURT THE BUSINESSES WHERE THEY MOST LIKELY HAVE PEOPLE GOING OUT TO EAT AND DRINK, UH, TILL MIDNIGHT ON WEEKENDS. GUYS, YES. Y'ALL NEED TO PLEASE STOP. SORRY. GO AHEAD. COUNSEL. . YES. I'LL HAVE A SHORT ONE. OKAY. UM, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE RAISE THE DISCIPLINE TO THE EITHER 80 OR 85. WE ELIMINATE THE TIMES SO THAT THEY CAN PLAY MUSIC WITHIN THE OPERATING TIME, HOWEVER, AND POLICE WOULD MONITOR TO BE SURE THAT THEY'RE UNDER 85 DECIBELS OR 80, WHICHEVER WE PICK. IF THEY'RE NOT UNDER IT, THEN IT'S ENFORCEABLE. IF THEY ARE UNDER, AND WE STILL KEEP HAVING COMMUNITY COMPLAINTS, THEN AT A A SUBSEQUENT MEETING, WE REDUCE THE DUST LEVEL, WE NEED TO ADJUST. OKAY. OKAY. YES. YES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE? SO HERE'S WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THE TABLE. COUNCILMAN HANYA HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE CHANGE THE DECIBEL LEVEL TO 75 75 AND ADD ONE HOUR ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY TO MAKE IT 12:00 PM UH, THE SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY WOULD STAY AT, UH, THE, WAS IT NINE 10:10 PM 10:00 PM OKAY. COUNCILMAN SCHOOLER HAS PROPOSED WE CHANGED THE DECIBELS TO 80 AND 85 AND ELIMINATE TIMES ALTOGETHER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF IN A COUPLE MONTHS OUR CALL LOG STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS. I HAVE THAT WE MONITOR, WHICH WE'RE DOING MONITOR COMPLIANCE. THAT'S WHAT I SAID. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. OKAY. MONITORING IF THE DUCK CAN Y'ALL GOING? YES SIR. MA'AM. UM, I JUST GOT ONE MORE SUGGESTION. JUST, JUST FOR THE BUSINESSES WITHIN ITSELF. YEAH. COME TO THE PODIUM. UM, THIS IS JUST FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN ITSELF. THEY HAVE DECIBEL METERS, SIGNS THAT, THAT THE BUSINESS OWNERS CAN HAVE. WE KNOW TO PUT OUTSIDE Y'ALL BUSINESS THAT WAY. WE ARE KNOWING WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE. LIKE EVEN WHERE THEY'RE BIG ENOUGH TO WHERE IF THE POLICE RIDE BY, THEY CAN SEE THE NUMBERS ON THEM. YEAH. RIGHT? BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT SOMETHING THAT'S WE KNOW THAT IS CALIBRATED AND IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. SO THAT, SO THAT WOULDN'T BE ADMISSIBLE IN COURT. WE HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED THE EQUIPMENT, SO WE HAVE IT. THAT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR US. NO, BUT THIS WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THE BUSINESS OWNERS. THIS IS WHY. YES. THIS WAS, THAT'S A GREAT, YEAH. FAMILY FITNESS USED TO HAVE ONE OF THOSE. IT WAS IN EAR WHEN THE EAR GOT RED, THE MUSIC WAS TOO LOUD. THE INSTRUCTOR HAD TO TURN IT DOWN. SO WHEN IT WAS GREEN, YOU WERE IN AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE. RIGHT. THEY, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT VISUAL FOR THE BUSINESS OWNER. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. AND THAT WAY THEY'RE NO, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S FROM A BUSINESS OWNER STANDPOINT. SO WE CAN'T PUT UP SIGNS EVERYWHERE. NO. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, LIKE A DECIBEL METER. DECIBEL METER FOR JUST FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO, EVEN IF THE COPS WANNA RIDE BY AND JUST SAY, OKAY, THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE, WE SEE THE, THEIR READINGS. YEAH. WE DON'T NEED TO, WE DON'T NEED TO TO SEE IT. Y'ALL NEED TO SEE IT. NO. HELL, THEY NEED TO SEE IT TOO. . OKAY. NOW WE WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THIS POINT, COUNSEL, WE, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT CONTINUALLY [01:50:01] UNTIL WE START GETTING REPETITIOUS, AND THEN AT THAT POINT WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND MOVE FORWARD. SO, COUNSEL, I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. SO, MR. MAYOR, UH, MS. MAYOR, I WOULD, UH, MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, AMEND THE CURRENT SUGGESTED ORDINANCE TO, UH, I CHANGED THE TIMING ON WEEKEND TO MIDNIGHT AND, UH, CHANGED THE DECIBEL LEVELS TO 80 AND 85. OKAY. SO A COMPROMISE BETWEEN THE OTHER TWO? YES. OKAY. GOT A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN SINNIA TO ADJUST THE TIME ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY ADVANCE AT ONE HOUR TO MIDNIGHT, AND TO ADJUST THE DECAL TIME FROM 80 TO 85. HAVE A SECOND. OKAY, IF I'M HEARING NO SECOND, THE MOTION FAILS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MAKE A MOTION TO RAISE IT TO 80 AND 85 DECIBELS AND TO ELIMINATE THE, UH, TIME CONSTRAINT, BUT TO BE SURE THAT THE PO THAT THE, UM, UH, THE POLICY INCLUDES ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS FOR NOT COMPLIANCE, WHICH IT CURRENTLY DOES. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE BY COUNCILMAN SCHOOLER TO CHANGE THE, AMEND IT TO 80 AND 85 DECIBELS AND TO ELIMINATE THE TIME COMPONENT WITH, UM, A NOTE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT, NO, THAT'S POLICY. WE DON'T PUT POLICY ORDINANCE. SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE DECIBELS IN THE, AND NO TIME. TIME, NO TIME. OKAY. SO SECOND. SO WASN'T THAT, WASN'T THAT THE SAME AS THE FIRST ONE? NO, NO. BEFORE HE SAID JUST ADD, KEEP THE TIMES AND ADD AN HOUR TO FRIDAY, SATURDAY, MR. SCHOOLER'S MOTION IS SAYING, ELIMINATE THE TIMES ALL TOGETHER AND CHANGE THE DECALS. THE DECIBELS ARE THE SAME. COUNCILMAN BAKER, JUST THE TIME. WELL, MR. S AND I AGREED ON THE DECIBELS. IT'S JUST THE TIME. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. IF YOU REMOVE THE TIME, JUST, JUST THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU SAID. SO WHAT'S GOING TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS FROM TIME? THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WAS, IS THE TIME OF, UH, WE ARE NOT GIVING OUR CITIZENS ANY RELIEF ON, ON THE TIME THEY'RE REQUESTING. SO WE JUST, I MEAN, WE'VE GOTTA BALANCE OUR BUSINESS AND, AND RESIDENTS EQUALLY, NOT JUST THE BUSINESS. SO I'M TRYING TO COMPROMISE AND I AGREE WITH THAT. SO, UM, THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I MEAN, I'M OKAY WITH YOUR SUGGESTION, BUT I DON'T WANT, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE FORCE TO HAVE TO GO POLICE THIS ALL THE TIME AND SEE IF THEY'RE MATCHING THE DECIBELS. SO THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BOTH, BOTH, YOU KNOW, KEEP EVERYBODY HAPPY AND, AND, UH, BE FRIENDLY TO BOTH GUYS. SO THAT'S, YEAH. AND I MEAN, WE DON'T KNOW YET. IS 80 OR 85 DECIBELS GONNA BE LOUD TO THESE HOMEOWNERS? NO, LIKE I SAID, BUT WE'RE NO, NO, NO. WHAT I'M SAYING, WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DON'T PUT A TIME CONSTRAINT ON IT, IF AT 1:00 AM 85 DECIBELS, THEY'RE NOT HEARING IN THEIR BACKYARDS. ALRIGHT. SO I, I THINK THE TIME IS A HEART OF THE MATTER HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. SCHOOLER OF, UM, 80 TO 85. UH, CHANGE THE DECIBELS AND ELIMINATE THE TIME ALTOGETHER. DO I HAVE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY CANCEL HISTORY, SECOND MOTION HAS FAILED. DO WE HAVE A THIRD MOTION ON THE TABLE? I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, ORDINANCE PROPOSED HERE, AND THEN DUE TIME, COME BACK AND CHECK AND SEE IF THEY'VE LEFT, UH, LIVE WITH THIS ORDINANCE. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE BY COUNCILMAN BUELL TO LEAVE IT AS IS. IT'S 70 AND 75 DECIBELS. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. IT'S 10:00 PM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY IT'S 11:00 PM DO I HAVE A SECOND? MOTION FAILS. OKAY. WHAT WAS MOST OF THE TIMES THAT WE HAD TO COMPLAIN? IT WAS, I MEAN, THE, OF THE DECIBEL, 1130, THE DECIBEL, NOT THE TIME, THE DECIBEL, THEY DON'T HAVE THE DECIBELS. THEY JUST HAVE THE TIMES ON HERE. THE LAST TIME THE COMPLAINT, I'M SORRY, SIR. CAN YOU, THE LAST TIME, I'M SORRY, SIR, YOU CAN'T TALK FROM THE AUDIENCE. YOU WOULD NEED TO COME TO THE PODIUM AND SAY WHO YOU ARE. YOU, YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. I'M LOOKING AT MORE FOR THE DEMENTS. THEY DIDN'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE DUST. I'M, UH, I'M HEARING SMITH FROM LAKE JACKSON AT 8 45 MAGNOLIA. AND I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME Y'ALL RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ON THE SOUND? FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY? YES, SIR. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. [01:55:01] THANK, SO, SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME CHANGES. YEAH. SORRY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . HERE'S ONE RIGHT HERE. COMPLAINT? MM-HMM . OKAY. SO THREE MOTIONS HAVE FAILED. DO WE HAVE ANY LEEWAY HERE? COUNSEL, I'LL RESTATE THE MOTION AGAIN IF, UH, SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED. OKAY. RESTATE IT AGAIN. SO, UM, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE, UH, CHANGE THE TIMING TO MIDNIGHT FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND ADJUSTABLE LEVELS TO 80, 85. SECOND. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO CHANGE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT ORDINANCE OF 80 TO 85, ADDING ONE HOUR ON BOTH FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'VE GOT A FIRST BY, UH, COUNCILMAN HANYA, SECOND BY COUNCILMAN BOLT. UH, BUELL. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? SO WHAT, SO WE ADDING ONE EXTRA HOUR AND GOING UP TO MIDNIGHT TO FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. SO Y'ALL TAKING AWAY AN HOUR? NO, WE'RE ADDING AN HOUR. SO FROM 11 TO MIDNIGHT, IT'S SATURDAY. WE CLOSE THE, THE, LIKE JACKSON CLOSES AT ONE ONE. OKAY. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, YES. SO THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU WOULD BE LOSING AN HOUR. THE ORDINANCE AS PROPOSED SAID 11, AND COUNCIL APPROVED GOING TO 12. SO ADDING AN HOUR. HOUR. SO, SO THE TIME, SO MUSIC WOULD STOP, WOULD HAVE TO STOP AT MIDNIGHT. I, WELL, THE OUTSIDE MUSIC, I OUTSIDE CAN STILL STAY OPEN AND PLAY. THE OUTSIDE MUSIC WOULD'VE TO STOP AT MIDNIGHT? CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. WE'VE GOT A SECOND. I'M GONNA CALL FOR A VOTE AGAIN. SO, ALL IN FAVOR OF 80 AND 85 AND ADDING AN HOUR ON THE WEEKEND. SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO ONE NAY. MOTION CARRIES FIVE TO ONE. ALL RIGHT, GUYS, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE BACK AND FORTH. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU MADE A LITTLE BIT OF CHANGE THERE. UM, THANK Y'ALL FOR COMING IN. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON. JUST SO YOU KNOW, HE LEAVES ME EVERYTHING. ADAM, ITEM AGENDA NUMBER TWO TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE 2, 3, 1, 5. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, IF Y'ALL WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR DO Y'ALL WANNA PUSH FORWARD? LET'S PUSH ON. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE TAKING A BREAK, , LET'S PUSH ON. OKAY. SO FIVE MINUTE, FIVE MINUTE BREAK FOR COUNCIL QUESTION, EVERYONE. OKAY, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOT ALL OF OUR COUNCIL BACK AND A LOT LESS PEOPLE. UM, OKAY. ITEM AGENDA. [2. Discuss and consider the first reading of Ordinance No. 2315 for the disannexation of McElya SD (A0066 J E Groce) Lot Reserve Acres 16.79, which is located at the far western end of County Road 698. – Sherri Russell ] ITEM NUMBER TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2, 3, 1, 5 FOR THE DIS ANNEXATION OF MCLI MCIL, UM, LOT RESERVE ACRES, 16.79, WHICH IS LOCATED AT THE FAR WESTERN END OF THE COUNTY ROAD 6 98. THIS IS AN ORDINANCE PROVIDING FOR THE DIS ANNEXATION OF THE MCKAY SUBDIVISION, UH, A 0 0 6 6 J GROSS LOT RESERVE, LOCATED AT THE FAR WESTERN END OF COUNTY ROAD 6 98, CONSISTING OF APPROXIMATELY 16.79 ACRES. ALL OF WHICH TERRITORY LIES WITHIN THE PRESENT CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF LAKE JACKSON, TEXAS, AND PROVIDING A SAVING CLAUSE. ALL RIGHT, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM? THIS IS THE SECOND TIME IT'S COME BEFORE COUNSEL. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MAYOR, I'LL TAKE A MOTION. UH, WHEN WE APPROVE ITEM TWO, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER READING AN ORDINANCE 2315, THIS ANNEXATION SD WHILE RESERVE ACRE 16.79 LOCATED IN FAR WEST END, UH, COUNTY ROAD 6, 9 8. ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. BAKER? OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, MOTION CARRIES. ALL RIGHT. ITEM [3. Authorize the City Manager to execute Addendum 1- in the amount of $250,677, to pre-order the HVAC system for the police building under the Project Development Agreement with Johnson Controls, Inc., under the Equalis (R10-1143C) contract. – Riazul Mia ] A AGENDA NUMBER THREE. WE'RE GONNA AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ADDENDUM ONE IN THE AMOUNT OF $250,677 TO PRE-ORDER THE HVAC SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE BUILDING UNDER THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH JOHNSON CONTROLS UNDER THE QUALA R ONE OH DASH 143 C CONTRACT. MARIA? UH, YES. UH, MADAM MAYOR, WE ARE ASKING A COUNCIL AUTHORIZATION, [02:00:01] COUNCIL AWARDED THE CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON CONTROL IN DECEMBER. UH, SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH OUR PD AND ALSO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN, BUT THIS, UH, HVAC SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY THE, THE CHILLER SINCE THERE, THERE IS A EIGHT TO 12 WEEKS OF DELAY. SO WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER IT BY THE TIME WE FINISH. THEN WE'LL BRING BACK THE WHOLE CONTRACT TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY? SO THAT'S, WE ARE ASKING COUNCIL TO AUTHORIZE SO THEY CAN ORDER THE CHILLER. OKAY. SO WHY IS IT ADDENDUM THEN? BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT WE DID, THEY'RE HELPING US TO DESIGN IT. NOW THEY ARE HELPING US TO GO AHEAD AND ORDER THE, WE ARE NOT ORDERING, THEY'RE THE ONE WHO'S ORDERING. WE JUST KIND OF PAID THEM. OKAY. BUT WE RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF THE, OF THE, UH, OF THE EQUIPMENT. SO WE JUST GETTING THEM TO ORDER IT ON OUR, ORDER IT ON OUR BEHALF, UH, ON OUR, ON OUR DIME. UM, IF WE DIDN'T, WE'RE A LITTLE WORRIED THAT, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME THEY GET THE DESIGN AND THEN WE AWARD THE CONTRACTOR AND ORDER IT, THAT, UH, IT MAY GO BELLY UP. SO WHAT ABOUT THE COST IN CASE CURRENTLY THE TARIFFS, THE TARIFF GOES AWAY AND THE COST GOES DOWN, AND WE DON'T BENEFIT FROM THAT? THAT COULD BE MAYBE WE END UP PAYING TOO MUCH AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PRICE. COUNCILMAN, WE DID PREVIOUSLY GET SOME PRICES THROUGH PRICES. THIS IS THE LOWEST LOWER PRICES, AND THIS IS CHILLER, AND THREE ARE HANDLER UNITS. OKAY. SO WE THOUGHT THIS IS A VERY GOOD PRICE, OKAY? AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE, WE ARE COMING TO COUNCIL TO ORDER IT. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL? I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE ADDEND AND THE AMOUNT OF, UH, 2 50 66 TO PRE-ORDER THE HVAC SYSTEM FOR THE POLICE BUILDING UNDER THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH JOHNSON CONTROL. ALL RIGHT, WE'VE GOT I SECOND, FIRST BY COUNCILMAN BAKER, SECOND AMENDMENT BY COUNCILMAN SCHOOLER. ALL IN FAVOR? ANY SAY AYE A AYE. ANY OPPOSED, NAY? MOTION CARRIES. [4. Approve the selection of Crain Group, LLC as the General Contractor and Construction Manager at Risk (CMAR) for the 2025 Bond Project, which includes the Fire Station Renovation and Police Station Expansion. Also, authorize the City Manager to negotiate the contract terms and present them to the City Council for approval, and approve the City Manager to proceed with preconstruction services with Crain Group for $5000 to establish the Maximum Guaranteed Price (MGP) for the construction contract. – Riazul Mia ] ALL RIGHT. ITEM AGENDA NUMBER FOUR, APPROVE THE SELECTION OF CRANE GROUP LLC AS THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR THE 2025 BOND PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES THE FIRE STATION RENOVATION AND POLICE STATION EXPANSION. ALSO OFFER AS THE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT TERMS AND PRESENT THEM TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND APPROVE THE CITY MANAGER TO PROCEED WITH PRE-CONSTRUCTION SERVICES WITH CRANE GROUP FOR 5,000 TO ESTABLISH MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT. RHE, YOU'RE RIGHT. YES. UH, MAYOR CITY COUNCIL, UH, LAST COUNCIL MEETING, UH, COUNCIL DID AUTHORIZE US TO SELECT THIS THREE, UH, CONTRACTOR. WE DID CORRECT THE PHASE TWO. WE GET PRICES AND BASED ON THE PRICE AND ALSO OUR ARCHITECT, UH, REVIEW THEIR BACKGROUND. WE ARE ASKING AUTHORIZATION TO GO WITH THE CRANE GROUP, BUT AT THIS MOMENT, WE ONLY AUTHORIZING $5,000. SO THEY CAN WORK WITH ARCHITECT, COME UP WITH A MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE, AND THEN WE WILL BRING YOU THE WHOLE CONTRACT AT THAT TIME. AND THIS IS BOTH FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE STATION. OKAY. COUNSEL, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTION? SO THIS IS JUST THE, FOR THEM TO DO THE INITIAL INITIAL BID WORK? YES. TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTS SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH THE MAXIMUM PRICE FOR BOTH. AND THIS IS THE LOWEST PRICE, THE THREE PRICES WE GOT. CRANE GROUP HAS $666,000. TEAL CONSTRUCTION IS $843,000, AND BROADUS CONSTRUCTION IS $950,000 FOR THE SAME WORK. SO HAVE YOU USED THEM BEFORE? UH, WE, WE DID ONE PROJECT, BUT THE ARCHITECT HAS WORKED WITH THEM. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM. ALRIGHT, SO I'LL TAKE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. AMEN. THAT I MOVE. WE APPROVE, UH, CRANE GROUP, LLC AS GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK FOR THE 2025 BOND PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES THE FIRE STATION RENOVATION AND POLICE STATION EXPANSION. ALSO, AUTHORIZE CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACTOR AND PRESENT THEM TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AS PRESENTED FOR $5,000. THERE. MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SECOND BY COUNCILMAN ELL. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SAY, AYE. A. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. [5. Review the budget calendar. – Modesto Mundo ] AND THE PART THAT I THOUGHT EVERYBODY WAS HERE FOR, WE'RE GONNA REVIEW THE BUDGET CALENDAR. NOW, MODESTO, YOU'RE, UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL, WE JUST WANT [02:05:01] TO PUT IN YOUR HANDS, UM, THE, UH, BUDGET CALENDAR. IT STARTS UP AGAIN, UM, AS AND YOUR MAYBE TWO MEETINGS AGO. UH, COUNCIL, UH, AGREED FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING ON THE BUDGET IS APRIL 20TH, UH, TO HAVE A PRE-MEETING JUST BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO TALK CIP. AND IN THE CIP WE'LL TALK, UH, THE GENERAL CIP UTILITY, CIP AND ALSO THE HALF SET, UH, PROJECTS. THOSE WILL BE, UH, PRESENTED TO YOU ON YOUR FIRST LOOK. AND THEN, UM, IF YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THEN THE LAKE JACKSON DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION WILL BE THE NEXT BOARD THAT SEES ANY HALF SET PROJECTS. THE REST OF THE PROJECTS YOU'LL SEE AGAIN IN YOUR BUDGET WORKSHOP ON SATURDAY, UH, BY CHARTER. I HAVE TO PRESENT THE BUDGET, UH, IN JULY TO YOU. UH, THAT'LL BE, UH, PRESENTED, UH, THE FIRST WEEK OF JULY. AND THEN OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP IS SET ON A SATURDAY, UH, JULY 25TH. AND THEN YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, DATE ON AUGUST 17TH. THOSE ARE KEY MEETING DATES, UH, FOR, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE BUDGET. SO WE WANTED TO PUT THAT IN YOUR HANDS EXCEPT FOR COUNCILMAN HANYA. UH, UH, BUT HE'S WELCOME TO ATTEND, UH, ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS. . OKAY. WE DON'T NEED ANY ACTION. NO, NO ACTION. WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE THIS IN YOUR HAND, BUT WE'LL KEEP ON, YOU KNOW, LETTING YOU KNOW. BUT, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY DATES, IF THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE WORKSHOP DOESN'T, UH, WORK, PLEASE LET US KNOW PRETTY QUICKLY, UH, IF WE NEED TO RESCHEDULE SOMETHING. OKAY. ALL COUNSEL. ANY QUESTIONS, MS. ADAM? ALRIGHT, [6. Review the election sign policy. – Modesto Mundo / Sally Villarreal ] UH, ITEM NUMBER SIX, REVIEW THE ELECTION SIGNED POLICY. AND THIS IS MODESTO AND SALLY, I ASKED, UM, MS. VIRE TO GO OVER THIS JUST AS A REFRESHER, SINCE THE ELECTION SEASON IS STARTING AGAIN. YOU KNOW, UH, WE REVIEW THIS USUALLY, YOU KNOW, UM, IN MARCH WHEN THE COUNTY OR THE STATE IS HAVING THEIR ELECTIONS, BUT WE HAVE A MUNICIPAL ELECTION AS WELL, SO WE JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. THIS IS YOUR POLICY, UH, AS WELL. SO YOU SEE IT. AND, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTED CHANGES, THEN THIS IS BE THE TIME TO LET US KNOW. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS LIKE, WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH, WHEN THEY MOVED THE ELECTION TO THE LIBRARY VERSUS CIVIC CENTER, HAVING TO MOVE SIGNS AND STUFF. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO COVER THAT PORTION, SO WE'RE NOT HAVING TO LET THEM KNOW AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO. SO THEY KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT THEY PUTTING THEIR SON IN THE LIBRARY, UH, BOARDING HERE, BUT IF THIS CIVIC CENTER, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE THEIR SON. WE DID LET THE CANDIDATES KNOW IN ADVANCE. SO SALLY HAD COMMUNICATED. RIGHT, RIGHT. BUT IT WAS A CHANGE ON THE FLY THAT STAFF HAD TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, ON THERE. IT WASN'T IN THE PO THE POLICY DIDN'T REALLY FORESEE THAT PROBLEM. YEAH. THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN. UM, IT WAS JUST, UH, THE WAY AND SO THEY'RE, THEY ARE, THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY RESERVED THE CIVIC CENTER UP UNTIL 2028 FOR THE ELECTIONS, SO THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN. AND I CONFIRMED THAT WITH OUR YES MA'AM. ELECTION JUDGE. YEAH. IN THIS INSTANCE WHEN HE HAD TO SWITCH, WE TRIED TO TREAT IT AS IF THE ELECTION WAS AT THE CIVIC CENTER THE WHOLE TIME. MM-HMM. MM-HMM . RATHER THAN MAKING HIM REMOVE THE SIGNS AND PUT 'EM BACK, HAD IT BEEN AT THE CIVIC CENTER THE WHOLE TIME MM-HMM . THEY WOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO REMOVE IT OVER THE WEEKEND. RIGHT. THEY WERE ALLOWED TO. SO WE TRIED TO TREAT IT LIKE THAT AND ALLOW THEM JUST TO MOVE, MOVE OVER. AND I THINK THEY DID, FOR THE MOST PART. THEY WERE MOVING THEIR SIGNS RIGHT AFTER. YEAH, THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF MISCOMMUNICATION, BUT WE HAD HAD SENT A NOTICE DIRECTLY TO, I GUESS NOT TO THE CANDIDATES. WE DON'T HAVE EVERY CANDIDATE'S ADDRESS. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE SEND IT TO THE, THE COUNTY WHO'S RUNNING THE ELECTION, AND THEN WE DEPEND ON THEM TO NOTIFY THE CANDIDATES ON THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION. WE SEND THE COUNTY IN PACKET. WE, WE, WE SEND IT DIRECTLY TO THE CANDIDATES, UH, OR RUNNING. SO THEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE AWARE IT WAS NON-ISSUE ANYWAYS. YES, SIR. IT'S NOT. UM, WE DID, THERE SHOULD BE AN UPDATED, UM, MAP IN THERE, UH, THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT WE'RE WANTING TO CHANGE OUT THE MAP THAT Y'ALL I APPROVED. IT'S JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BITTY SECTION OF, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. UM, AND IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISE WITH WHERE THE 100 FOOT MARKER IS. UM, CAN YOU PULL UP, IS THERE ANOTHER ONE BEHIND THAT? SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED MAP AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE, UH, RIGHT OUT WHEN YOU WALK OUT THE DOORS, THAT SHADED AREA AND YELLOW KIND OF CURVES, THAT'S, UM, PRETTY PRECISE WITH THE A HUNDRED FOOT MARKER THAT THEY'RE GONNA SET OUT. AND, UM, OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. I FORGET THAT I HAD THESE, SO RIGHT HERE AND THEN WE ADDED THIS LITTLE SECTION HERE THAT WAS NOT ON [02:10:01] THE OTHER MAP THAT WE HAD, AND WE, UH, COVERED MORE AREA HERE AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF AN AREA RIGHT THERE THAT ADJOINS THAT AND PEOPLE WERE STILL PUTTING THEIR SIGNS THERE, SO WE, YOU KNOW, ADDED THAT TO IT. UM, BUT THOSE ARE THE ONLY CHANGES WAS JUST REALLY, UM, MAKING THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCURATE. SO WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT. THAT'S HELPFUL. UPDATE THE, YEAH. SO WHAT IS THE YELLOW RIGHT HERE? THE RED, THE YELLOW IS WHERE SIGNS ARE ALLOWED AND THE RED IS WHERE YOU CAN PUT CANOPIES. OKAY. SO THE CANOPIES ARE ALLOWED IN THE, UM, AND THEN THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE YOU CAN LIE COUNTER FEES. YES. YES, SIR. AND YOU CAN KEEP AND EARLY VOTING, JUST GO BACK TO EARLY VOTING AT THE LIBRARY OVER HERE. IT SHOULDN'T BE AT THE LIBRARY AGAIN. YEAH. THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY RESERVED THE CIVIC CENTER THROUGH LIKE 22, SO IT'S NEVER GONNA BE AT THE LIBRARY AGAIN. WELL, UH, I CAN'T SAY THAT. YEAH. 2028, THEY'VE GOT IT RESERVED. YEAH. IF, UM, I MEAN IF THEY DON'T RESERVE IT IN TIME, BUT SO IF IT GOES BACK AT THE LIBRARY MM-HMM . THE, WHEN I RAN, WE WAS, CAN YOU GO BACK A SLOT? UH, WAS A LIBRARY OVER HERE? MM-HMM . OKAY. I THINK WE HAD GO THE PARKING LOT HERE OR WHATEVER. WE WAS ABLE TO PUT CANOPIES HERE AND COUNCIL AND COUNCIL DID NOT, WHEN THEY PASSED THAT, I SAY COUNCIL DID NOT WANT IT THERE. OKAY. YEAH. NOW I'LL, WE CAN REVISE OUR LIBRARY MAP IN THE EVENT THAT THIS HAPPENS AGAIN AT THE LIBRARY THAT WE DO HAVE VOTING THERE, UM, AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR AS WELL WITH MORE ACCURATE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY SIT THERE AND LOOK AT THE MAP AND SAY, WELL, THERE'S A MEDIAN RIGHT HERE AND THE RED LINE STOPS RIGHT HERE. AND, UM, YEAH, ACROSS HERE PAST A HUNDRED FOOT, IT'S PAST A HUNDRED FOOT, SO, RIGHT. YEAH. BUT IN THAT AREA, YOU CAN HOLD SIGNS, BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO STAKE ANYTHING INTO THE GROUND. OKAY. UM, SO NO CANOPIES THERE. UM, CANOPIES WILL BE ALLOWED RIGHT IN THROUGH HERE PROBABLY TO ABOUT THIS, THIS AREA. I MEAN, COUNCILMAN V YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE MAP JUST IN CASE IT YES. GOES TO FOR THE LIBRARY. THE LIBRARY, YEAH. AND WE'VE WORKED ON ONE TO UPDATE IT, KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID WITH THIS ONE. I MEAN, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WE GETTING MORE CANDIDATES AND LESS PLACE TO YEAH. IF THE CIVIC CENTER IS USED, THEY WON'T USE A LIBRARY. YEAH. I MEAN, THIS ONE THREW IT OFF, BUT IT WAS SIMPLY THE COUNTY HAD MISSED BOOKING THE CIVIC CENTER. YEAH. THEY JUST, AND BY THE TIME THEY CALLED, WE ALREADY HAD EVENTS THERE, BUT WE COULDN'T MOVE. MM-HMM . NO. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? NO. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. STAFF UPDATES. YES. AMERICAN. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING R ANYTHING EXCITING OVER THERE? ALL RIGHT. ITEM [8. Construction Updates] NUMBER EIGHT, CONSTRUCTION UPDATES. SAL, WE'VE BEEN WAITING ALL NIGHT FOR THIS. OH, YES. SHE STARTED THE MEETING WITH US. UH, WELL, I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE PROJECT UPDATES THAT WE PRESENTED TO, IF ANYONE IN PARTICULAR WANT TO INTEREST YOU. UH, CAN THE, UH, UH, ANIMAL SHELTER, THE ANIMAL SHELTER, THE ANIMAL SHELTER IS, UH, MOVING ALONG NOW? UH, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, UH, CHANGES IN THE PLANS NOW THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, ACCEPTED BY THE, UH, WINDSTORM, UH, PERSON. THE WIND PERSON HAS ALREADY, UH, HAS ALREADY BEEN, UH, UH, SIGNED UP BY THE ARCHITECT, AND THE CITY WILL OF COURSE, UH, TAKE, UH, TAKE CARE OF THAT, UH, COST. AND, UH, THE, UH, RED IRON, WHICH IS A STRUCTURAL IRON THAT, THAT, UH, THIS, THAT THIS PLATE THAT THIS, UH, NEW DESIGN HAD TO HAVE IS NOW IN ORDER. AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING HERE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A WEEK OR SO. ONCE IT HAPPENS, THEY BROUGHT IN ALL THE MATERIALS THAT WERE LEFT IN THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE ITSELF, THE, UH, NOVA DESA PANELS AND THE ACTUAL, UH, SHEET METAL TYPE OF, UH, UH, TRUSSES. THEY'VE ALREADY IN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, UM, ON SITE NOW. AND, UH, JUST WAITING ON THE RED IRON TO COME IN, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT NOW IS GONNA SPEED UP THE PROCESS. SO WHAT'S THE NEW COMPLETION DATE ON THERE? THE COMPLETION RATE HAS NOT CHANGED. IT HAS NOT CHANGED. WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY CHANGES TO THAT PARTICULAR DAY, TO THE DAY THAT WAS ORIGINALLY SIGNED. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL CHANGE, THOUGH. UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE WILL BE, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN RIGHT. THEY HAVEN'T, UH, COME WITH ONE, BUT [02:15:02] I, I, I JUST COULDN'T SEE THAT THEY WOULD GET IT DONE THE SAME TIME WITH THIS OF DELAY. WHEN? NOW IT WAS APRIL. END OF APRIL. OH YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MYSELF? ANY OTHER PROJECTS? NOPE. NOPE. ALL RIGHT. PROBLEM SAL. THAT WAS WORTH THE WAY. GOOD JOB, SAL. ALL RIGHT. UH, [ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ] LET'S, LAST THING, LET'S JUST DO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. UH, COUNCILMAN LES? NO, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN HANYA? NO, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN SCHOOLER? NO, MA'AM. COUNCILMAN BAKERS? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. WE DO HAVE BCCA WEDNESDAY? YES. ALL RIGHT. UH, HERE IN LAKE JACKSON? YEAH. YEAH, WE'RE HOSTING. OKAY. AND I HAVE NOTHING. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT IS GOING TO CONVENE YOUR REGULAR SESSION. WE [EXECUTIVE SESSION] ARE GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME, UH, UNDER TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 5 1 0.087, UH, TO DISCUSS COMMERCIAL OR FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT THE CITY HAS RECEIVED FROM A BUSINESS PROSPECT WITH WHICH THE CITY IS CONDUCTING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NEGOTIATIONS, NEGOTIATIONS, THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AGREEMENT WITH DOW AND OTHER INDUSTRY IN THE AREA. OKAY? SO EXIT REGULAR AT EIGHT 50. GET OUT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.