* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] [00:00:05] LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU MA'AM. EVERYBODY [ 2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING? ANY CHANGES? I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. MINUTES ARE PASSED. YOU'LL HAVE TO SIGN FOR JUMPING IN. UH, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? NOW IS THE TIME. ANYBODY THAT COMES TO SPEAK, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THEIR RECORD. NOT SURE IF I'M ON THE AGENDA OR NOT. OUR BUSINESS IS, YES, YOU ARE. OKAY. AND WE'LL GET TO YOU. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. DISCUSS [4. DISCUSS ACTION ON SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST FOR STRIP LIGHTING OF 7 BREW COFFEE DRIVE-THRU AT 108 W SH 332 AT THE BRAZOS MALL FILED ON MAY 5, 2026. ] ACTION ON SPECIAL PERMIT REQUEST FOR STRIP LIGHTING OF SEVEN BREW COFFEE DRIVE THROUGH AT 1 0 8 WEST STATE HIGHWAY 3 32 AT THE BRAZOS MALL, FILED ON CINCO DE MAYO. TODAY, THIS YEAR. TODAY, GOOD EVENING. UH, LANCE MAY, THE OWNER. SO I WAS ACTUALLY UNAWARE THAT THE SPECIAL PERMIT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT HAPPY TO SPEAK TO THE LIGHTS. ANYWAY, UM, WE, UH, MET WITH THE CITY BACK ACTUALLY ALMOST A YEAR AGO. IT WAS MAY 20TH OF LAST YEAR. HAD A REAL GOOD MEETING. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT OUR ENGINEERS THERE AND, UH, ARCHITECTS, ALL THE FOLKS THAT WE NEED TO PUT THE PACKAGE TOGETHER. AND THEY HAD, UH, ACTUALLY TWO DIFFERENT NOTES. UH, WE'D ASKED THE CITY IF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ANY PROBLEMS, ANY SPECIAL LIGHT PERMITS, ANY CODE OR ANYTHING. AND THEY, AND THEY SAID NO. AND SO WE WENT AHEAD AND HAD THE STRIP LIGHTS PUT ON, LIKE, WHICH IS PART OF THE WHOLE BRANDING OF ALL THE CELEBRITIES ACTUALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND, UM, THAT'S WHY WE, WE PUT THAT ON THERE. WE WEREN'T TRYING TO AVOID ANY SORT OF CODE. AND, UM, I KNOW THAT THE CODE, UM, AT LEAST THE ONE WE REVIEW THAT WE WERE SENT IS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, I WOULDN'T SAY GRAY, BUT IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SELL OUT OR, OR SPELL OUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, PHOTOMETRIC, UH, CRITERIA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE, UH, HEARD FROM THE CITY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE ABOUT TO GET OUR CO THAT IT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM AND SAY, WELL, HEY, WE'LL PUT A DEMO ON THERE. AND WE, WE PUT ONE ON THERE. UM, IT, IT FAILED. WE GOT ANOTHER ONE ORDERED. SO WHAT YOU'VE SEEN THE LAST FEW WEEKS ACTUALLY HAS BEEN LIKE, AS BRIGHT AS IT CAN POSSIBLY BE. OUR PLAN IS WHENEVER THAT DEMO'S PUT BACK ON TO BE ABLE TO TONE THAT DOWN. IF IT'S A PROBLEM FOR FOLKS, UM, IF WE NEED TO INVEST IN GETTING LIKE A PHOTOMETRIC STUDY TO COMPARE IT TO LIKE THE BURGER KING DOWN THE ROAD THAT'S GOT THE, THE SAME TYPE OF NEON LIGHTS OR TEXAS ROADHOUSE BEHIND US, OR, YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS THAT ARE PRODUCED DOWN BY CHEVY EAGLE SHIP WAS QUITE A BIT, OR, OR EVEN, UM, DOWN, UH, KIND OF BY LOWE'S. THERE'S A BUNCH OF, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT SIGNS AND STUFF. WE'RE HAPPY TO COMPARE IT, MAKE SURE WE'RE IN LINE WITH THE CITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. WE WEREN'T PUTTING THAT ON THERE TRYING TO AVOID ANY CERTAIN CODE. SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. UM, IT WAS IN OUR PHOTO PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND, AND APPROVED BY THE CITY WHENEVER WE SUBMITTED FOR PERMITS. WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ALONG THE WAY, SAL, ANYTHING? NO, AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL IN MY MEMO TO YOU IS THE FACT THAT, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, UH, THINGS ARE, THE ONLY THING THAT WE HAVE IN THE BOOKS IS STRIP LIGHTING BY DEFINITION NEON LIGHTS, WHICH WAS WHAT THE CITY HAD BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO AND, UH, OLD TIMES. AND WE CARRIED THAT, UH, THAT PARTICULAR, UH, RULE OR ORDINANCE BASED ON A STRIP LIGHTING BASED ON THE NEON, UH, DESIGNATION. AND THIS IS WHERE THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS REQUIRED, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN, WOULD, WOULD APPROVE THOSE TYPE OF REQUESTS THERE. AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, OF COURSE, WITH THE CHANGE IN, UH, IN THE LIGHTING STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY CAME THE, UM, THE ADAMANT OF THAT LED 10 OUT THERE, WHICH IS WHAT THIS LIGHT IS ALL ABOUT, IS AN LED TYPE LIKER. AND ALSO THE FACT THIS IS A DIFFERENT BEAST IN THE FACT THAT WE HAD NEVER, OR HERE IN THE CITY REVIEWED A PLAN OF A PREFAB TYPE OF A BUILDING LIKE THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS OR WAS, OR MANUFACTURE. UH, SO THEREFORE IT'S KIND OF HARD IN THE PLANS THEMSELVES TO REVIEW THOSE PLANS AND SEE WHAT THE PLANS SHOWED OTHER THAN THE, THE DRAWING THAT, OR THE PHOTO THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. SO THAT'S WHY THE CITY DID, OR INSPECTOR DIDN'T REALLY PICK UP ON THAT AND NOBODY PICKED UP ON THAT UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT UP TO OUR ATTENTION BY ONE OF OUR LEADERS HERE, UH, THAT SAW THAT IT MIGHT BE A PROBLEM, UH, PERSONALLY BY HIM. SO [00:05:01] WE DECIDED AT THAT TIME OKAY, SAID, WELL, THAT'S ONE OPINION WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM ANYONE ELSE, UH, THAT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OR RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT. SO WE SAID UP HERE, WHY DON'T WE, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, WE DID TELL, UH, THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNERS THAT 'CAUSE OF THAT SITUATION THAT THEY MAY NEED TO PUT IN AS A PREEMPTIVE, UH, MEASURE THAT PARTICULAR, UH, REGULATOR, WHICH THEY DID. THEY AUTOMATICALLY DID. YES. IT DIDN'T WORK IMMEDIATELY. IT WORKED FOR A LITTLE WHILE. . YEAH. WE THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS THE INPUT, NOT THE PROPER, UH, REGULATOR FOR, UH, FOR THIS TYPE OF, AND LED BECAUSE IT DOES HAVE A PROBLEM. UH, I KNOW I'VE GOT OTHER DS ANDERS USUALLY KEEP ON FLASHING ON ME BECAUSE IT IT'S THE INCORRECT ONE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HOW ABOUT THE WRONG KIND FOR, UH, FOR AN LED? I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS, IT BURNED IT OUT. OH, IS THAT RIGHT? SO THAT MISTAKE, IN THAT RESPECT, WE SAID, OKAY, WHY DON'T YOU PUT IT ON, WE'LL PUT OUT A, A POLL ON THAT ONE. THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE SAID IT OVER TO ALL OF YOU. JUST FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ONE, FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR OWN OPINION AND THEN SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS NOXIOUS TO YOU OR HAD YOU HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT OR YOU SAW SOME SAFETY PROBLEMS WITH IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE SEND THAT UP OVER TO YOU. WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE FROM, FROM ANY OF THE BOARD ACTUALLY, OR THE OFFICIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, THE OFFICIAL, UH, COMMENT ON THAT. SO WE DECIDED, OKAY, WELL LET'S BRING IT UP ANYWAY FOR FINAL DETERMINATION HERE AT THIS BOARD AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE OKAY WITH IT, WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE SOME, UH, REGULATION WITH ITSELF AND BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BIT LOWER OR HOWEVER YOU FEEL LIKE DOING IT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT IT UP TO YOU. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC ITSELF. UH, ANY COMPLAINTS OR, OR, I'VE DEFINITELY GOTTEN A FEW PHONE CALLS ABOUT IT. YOU DID? MM-HMM . OKAY. WELL, WE NEVER DID GET 'EM. YEAH. WELL WE NEVER GET, IT'S EASIER TO GET AHOLD OF ME THAN YOU GUYS SOME DAYS. WELL, PROBABLY. SO YEAH, YOU, YOU GOT IN TOUCH WITH OTHER PEOPLE, , UH, BUT BECAUSE OF THAT REASON, WE DECIDED TO BRING IT UP TO YOU AND FOR YOU TO MAKE THAT DECISION. DOES THIS MEAN THAT MAYBE THE SIGN ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE REVISITED? IT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT OPTION ABOUT THE LED STRIP LINING, JUST LED LIGHTING. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE BOOKS THAT SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THE PHOTO, UH, OR THE LUMENS OR ANYTHING, UH, ON THOSE ON COMMERCIAL AREAS, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT COVERS FLASHING? UH, WE DO HAVE FLASHING. WE, WE DO HAVE THAT BEFORE. WE DON'T. LIKE, I MEAN, WE DON'T, UH, ALLOW ANY TYPE OF MOVING SIGNS OR ANYTHING. AND UH, WE DID WE, WHEN WE APPROVED THE ROADHOUSE, DID WE HAVE TO MODIFY THEIRS A LITTLE BIT OR NO, WE CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL ZONE. OKAY. BECAUSE I REMEMBER US DISCUSSING THAT. YEAH. IT'S A COMMERCIAL ZONE. SO THE ONLY THING WHERE WE HAVE IT IS IN WHERE A COMMERCIAL ABOVE THE RESIDE ZONE, THEN WE DO REQUIRE THAT THE LUMEN BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE PROPERTY AND ONLY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CHANNELS, FOOT CATTLES. AS FAR AS THE SAFETY THING, I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT AND I, I, I THINK IT'S ATTRACTIVE, UH, AND WAS VERY POSITIVE WITH THE FACT THE MOST, THE BRIGHTEST AREA IS ON THE SERVICE AREA. IF THAT HAD BEEN ON THE STREET SIDE, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN A HAZARD? PROBABLY. YES SIR. SIR. PEOPLE CHECKING THEIR NEIGHBORS, BUT IT'S OVER THERE. IT'S, AND IT'S BRIGHTER THAN THE STRIP LIGHTS. SO WASN'T CHICK-FIL-A SHUT DOWN ON HAVING THAT SAME DEAL? CHICK-FIL-A WAS TOLD THAT THEY COULDN'T HAVE THE PERMANENT LIGHTING. DID THEY HAVE THE SEASONAL LIGHTING NOW? ON THEIR NEW ? YEAH, ON THEIR NEW BUILDING WHEN THEY BUILT THAT? I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING. YEAH, THEY WERE, YEAH, BECAUSE I, I REMEMBER APRIL COMING AND TALKING TO ME ABOUT THAT AND SHE HAD TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT JUST TO HAVE THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING UP FOR CHRISTMAS AND THEN CAN'T RUN IT. IT'S HOLIDAY LIGHTING. YEAH. WE CAN'T RUN IT YEAR ROUND BECAUSE IT, THE HOLIDAY LIGHTING, WHEN THEY INITIALLY BUILT THE LOCATION, ALL THE CHICK-FIL-AS HAVE THE RED AND WHITE, ALL THE NEW DESIGN STORES HAVE THE RED AND WHITE LIGHTING AROUND 'EM. AND SHE WAS SHUT DOWN ON THAT WHEN THEY BUILT THAT. YEAH. BUT WAS GIVEN A SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HOLIDAY LIGHTING. YEAH. AND WHEN, SO, YOU KNOW, IS ALLUDING TO REALLY THE PROVISION, THE WAY THE STAFF READ IT IS THAT IT JUST, THE PERVIEW FALLS, THE APPROVAL PROCESS FALLS WITH YOU GUYS AND STUFF. AND WE STAFF [00:10:01] THE WAY THAT WE READ IT, WE FEEL THAT WE CAN'T APPROVE IT. UNDERSTAND, UH, IF YOU WANNA CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE, YOU CAN, OR PUT SOME GUIDELINES, BUT RIGHT NOW IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. MM-HMM . WITH THAT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM THE BUILDER'S STANDPOINT, IT'D BE NICE IF THEY KNEW, GO AHEAD. IT SOUNDED LIKE HE DIDN'T KNOW HE WANTED TO DO. RIGHT. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY SCREW THAT'S TRUE. UH, WE COULDN'T CATCH THE PLAN, BUT ALSO I THINK WE PROBABLY FAILED ON OUR PART OF KNOWING, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT, UH, THE PROVISION, YOU KNOW, REALLY EXISTED. UH, THE BILLY OFFICIAL, YOU KNOW, I WAS REMINDED THAT IT WAS THERE. I BROUGHT IT UP TO DAVID AND CAUGHT IT. SO WE MAY HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF THAT SLIP PAST US, UH, OVER THE YEARS. I DO REMEMBER IT ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE. YOU KNOW, IT USED TO COME UP, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS, IT WAS VERY, IT, IT WASN'T, IT WAS VERY RARE BECAUSE IT WAS NEON LIGHTING. MM-HMM . IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, IT'S PROBABLY BECOME MORE PREVALENT OR MAYBE THE LAST EIGHT YEARS BECAUSE LEDS HAVE COME OUT THERE. MM-HMM . BUT IT USED TO COME UP ALWAYS TO THE PLANTERS. 'CAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS NEON LIGHTING. AND MAYBE WHEN IT SWITCHED SOMEWHERE, WE KIND OF MISSED. AND THAT'S WHAT CHICK-FIL-A WAS DOING AT THE TIME WHEN THEY DID IT WAS GONNA BE ALL A NEON LIGHTING. THEY DIDN'T HAVE. YEAH. AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY IT IMMEDIATELY CAUGHT SHUT DOWN, YOU KNOW, STAFF'S ATTENTION BECAUSE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NEON. BUT NOW THAT IT'S TRANSITIONED TO, YOU KNOW, TO LED LIGHTING, WE PROBABLY DON'T CATCH IT ON THE PLANS AS MUCH BECAUSE IT IS NOT SO, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE, IT'S JUST REGULAR, IT'S JUST REGULAR LIGHTING. DO YOU THINK THAT'S NOW ON THE RADAR AND WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING? I DON'T KNOW. THE REASON THAT IT GOT BROUGHT UP TO ME, UH, BY A COUNCIL MEMBER WAS THEY JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A LITTLE TOO BRIGHT. THEY WERE WORRIED IT WAS TOO BRIGHT BY THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, UH, AND STUFF. AND THAT'S WHEN WE APPROACHED THE AUDITOR AND SAID, WELL, COULD YOU EXPLORE POSSIBLY OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING A DIMMER SWITCH ON IT AND SEE IF THAT WOR SAY, IF THAT WORKS, NOT TO GET RID OF IT. YEAH. UH, TO DI IT, BUT AGAIN, WE SAID YOU STILL FORMAT, FORMERLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO COME TO, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND GET APPROVAL. SHOULD, SHOULD WE WAIT FOR A DECISION TO SEE WHAT THE DIMMER CAN DO FOR IT? PARDON? THE GENTLEMAN WAS SAYING THAT THEY'RE BRINGING IN A NEW DIMMER. THE DIMMER THEY HAD HAD PREVIOUSLY BROKEN. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S AT FULL, FULL POWER NOW. SHOULD WE, SHOULD IT BE WAITED TO MAKE A DECISION ONCE WE CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE DIMMER THAT THE GENTLEMAN IS LOOK OFFERING TO INSTALL IT SET? WE WERE ALL UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE DIMMER WAS WORKING BECAUSE IT, YEAH. WE ASKED IT TO BE SET AT FULL BLAST. AND WHEN I WENT AND LOOKED AT IT, I'M LIKE, HARRY, IT WAS, I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL LOOKING. YEAH. I MEAN, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT KNOCKING ON THE DESIGN, BUT I DO SEE THE DISTRACTION FROM THE, UH, ROADWAY PERSPECTIVE. WHAT WERE THE COMMENTS YOU WERE HEARING? UH, THOSE FOGGY NIGHT WE HAD TWO, THREE WEEKS AGO THAT IT WAS CARRYING OVER INTO THE ROADWAY PRETTY HEAVILY. AND THERE WAS, UH, TWO OLDER DRIVERS, BUT THEY DEFINITELY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. OKAY. YOU'RE BEING AWFUL QUIET. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WELL, I AM , I'M LISTENING. AND, UH, IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, UH, WITH DRIVERS OF ANY AGE, UH, THEN I THINK THAT IT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO PAY ATTENTION TO. BUT IF IT'S JUST SOMETHING NEW THAT'S IN THAT PLACE NOW, THEN IT'S JUST OUR DRIVERS, ESPECIALLY IN THE EVENING, WE WILL NOTICE IT UNTIL THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE ADJUSTMENT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE RIDING AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTENSITY OF THE LIGHT, THE DISTANCE FROM A, UH, FROM A HIGHWAY OR A STREET AND HOW BIG THE STREETS ARE AND SUCH. IT'D BE A VERY COMPLICATED THING TO MAKE ANY CHANGE. AND IS IT, IS IT SO MANY INCHES? LIKE I SAID, I, I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH IT, BUT, UH, WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN NOW, AS LONG AS Y'ALL CATCH IT, IT COMES TO US AND THEN THAT ADDRESSES IT. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE WE DON'T NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING JUST UNLESS Y'ALL THINK THERE'S SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. CORRECT. BUT WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW IS DO YOU WANT TO, TO ALLOW THE FULL GLASSES IT IS RIGHT NOW? OR DO YOU WANT TO TRY OUT LIKE, UH, LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAYING, IT'S WITH THE, WITH THE REGULATED ONE, WITH THE, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU'LL GET YOUR TIMBER SWITCH? WE TALKED ELECTRICIAN YESTERDAY. THEY'RE REALLY TRYING TO SOURCE IT. IT'S NOT ONE THAT'S BEEN PUT IN ANYWHERE IN ANY OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS, SO I REALLY CAN'T TELL YOU. I HOPE IT'S REAL SOON, BUT I REALLY DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T KNOW. BUT BECAUSE, UH, WHAT HE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE DIMMERS ON THE LEB AND I GUESS WHAT, WHAT YOU EXPERIENCED ALSO. YEAH, [00:15:01] I SAME DEAL. SO, UH, AS SOON AS WE CAN, WE'LL GET IT ON THERE AND WE'RE HAPPY TO TURN 'EM DOWN HALFWAY. THAT'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. YOU KNOW, WE, WE INTEND ON PUTTING A DENVER, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE HAVING FARM VIEWING AREAS AND DOING A FINGER VOTE ON . YEAH. THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY STRETCH THAT WE DID IS WE DIDN'T WANT TO SHUT THE OWNER OFF AND SAY YOU COULDN'T DO IT, UM, UNTIL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT LEAST GOT TO YOU AND HAD FOR DISCUSSION. SO IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WAIT, I I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK THEM TO SHUT IT OFF, UH, AND STUFF UNTIL THEY GOT THE DIMMER. THAT'S WHERE YOU, YOU WERE HEADING. YEAH. THAT NO, MY THOUGHT IS KEEP STATUS QUO, BUT GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR DIMMER AND IF WE PUSH THIS TILL YOU GET THE DIMMER AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, DOES THAT SATISFY YOU NOW? YEP. BUT LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE SWITCHED THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND I BET OUR ARGUMENTS WOULDN'T HAVE PREVENTED THAT. AND THE, THE FLUORESCENT LIGHTS WOULD'VE BEEN MUCH MORE, UH, UH, OFFENSIVE. YEAH. SO LIKE SAL WAS SAYING THOUGH, REGARDLESS IF IT'S SOMETHING OBNOXIOUS, IT COMES TO US BASICALLY. BUT YOU START OBNOXIOUS AFTER THE FACT. . YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH THAT? I, I THINK SO. I HAVE DIMMERS ALL OVER MY HOME AND THEY OPERATE LED LIGHTS. I GUESS YOU JUST HAVE TO SOURCE IT. CERTAINLY NOT FROM LAKE JACKSON POSSIBLY, BUT HOUSTON IS RIGHT UP THE ROAD. WE'RE ON. CITY'S BEEN REAL EASY TO WORK WITH, HONESTLY, AT THIS POINT. SO IT'S ALRIGHT. WE'RE FRIENDLY WITH THEM AND, AND LIKE Y'ALL KNOW WHERE WE'RE WITH IT, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY. YEAH. AND IT, IT'S KIND OF A SCIENCE PROJECT FOR YOU, RIGHT? FINDING A LITTLE BIT WORKS AND IT MIGHT HELP AT OTHER LOCATIONS IF YOU FIND ONE THAT WORKS. SO YEAH, THAT'S OUR SUGGESTION. GO AHEAD AND GET YOUR DIMMER SWITCH. WE'LL PUSH IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. KEEP GOING LIKE YOU'RE GOING. WE'RE NOT SHUTTING YOU DOWN. JUST KEEP GOING WHAT YOU GOT. GET THE DENVER SWITCH. GIVE US A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT THAT. LOOK THAT WORK. SURE WILL. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM. [5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST FOR A CONEX CONTAINER BOX PLACEMENT AS A CONDITIONAL USE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN A B-2 CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONE AT TOM’S PAWN SHOP AT 105 OYSTER CREEK DRIVE. (Part 1 of 2)] DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST FOR A CONEX CONTAINER BOX PLACEMENT AS A CONVENTIONAL USE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN A B TWO CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONE AT TOM'S POND. SHOP AT 1 0 5 OYSTER CREEK DRIVE. THE, UH, I IDENTS, WE DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER MR. GARRETT WAS GONNA SHOW UP OR NOT ON THIS. UH, HE CAME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UH, TALKED TO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL WANTING TO, UH, SEE WHETHER OR NOT HE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO PUT IN THIS CONEX BUILDING, UH, AS A, UH, TO FIT INTO THE, UH, CATEGORY OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING THAT IS ALLOWED BY THE B TWO ZONE, WHICH IS A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. YOU KNOW, WHERE THE, UH, BUSINESS IS. IT'S DOWNTOWN. IT'S THE GREEN METAL BUILDING ALONG WEST CREEK DRIVE. AND THE ACCESSORY DEFINITION, UH, IN THE ORDINANCE, UH, ALLOWS IT, IF IT'S USED FOR THE BUILDING, IF IT'S USED FOR A, AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE, TO THE BUSINESS THERE. AND WHAT HIS INTENT WAS, WAS TO USE IT AS A STORAGE AREA OR A STORAGE BUILDING FOR I GUESS HIS STOP OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT HE, UH, THAT HE HAS IN THAT, IN THAT BUSINESS. UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THE, OR THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS, IT SAYS THAT AN ACCESSOR BUILDING HAS TO BE CONSISTENT OR MATCH WITH THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, THE EXISTING MAIN BUILDING. UH, BUT HE PROPOSES IS THE CONEX AND YOU KNOW WHAT A CONEX LOOKS LIKE. DO YOU HAVE THAT, UH, THAT FRONT. OKAY. THAT IS A CON OKAY. IT'S A RAILROAD TYPE OF, UH, UNIT THERE MADE OUT OF, UH, METAL STEEL BUILDING. AND TYPICALLY THEY, I MEAN THEY, THEY, THEY PROBABLY COULD BE, UH, THE PRODUCT COULD HAVE WINDOWS IF THAT WAS THE CASE. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ONE. SO IT'S JUST PROBABLY A REGULAR CONEX OR STORAGE AREA. UH, AND I GUESS, UH, THE QUESTION IS DOES THIS, DOES THIS FIT THE, UH, DEFINITION OF WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES? UH, WE WERE LIVING IN THE PAST, UH, IN THE PAST, UH, TYPE OF REQUESTS. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, AND I I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE YOU, YOU REMEMBER MENTIONING ONE OVER THERE. HE HAD ONE. [00:20:03] IT IS NOT IN THIS AREA. IT'S BEHIND PLANTATION. UH, MR. MARTIN WITH GRAPEVINE GIFTS, UH, HAD REQUESTED TO USE A CONEX BUILDING, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THAT AREA IS ZONED. IF IT WAS, IF IT'S B TWO AND WE SAID NO, THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE, UH, CONEX BUILDING, BUT I KNOW I DON'T, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S A SIMILAR ZONE. SAL AND I DISCUSSED THIS AND WHAT'S THE ODD THING IS THAT, IS THAT THE PAWN SHOP'S METAL . AND SO DOES THAT ALLOW IT? BECAUSE I THINK YOU WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS IF IT WAS THE LOCAL, UM, THEY'RE BOTH IN THE SAME ZONE. . IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THE FIRST BUILDING WHO REQUESTED IT HAPPENS TO BE A METAL BUILDING . AND SO WE REALLY NEEDED, YOU KNOW, PLANNING COMMISSION'S GUIDANCE ON THIS. YEAH. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER OCCASION THAT WE BROUGHT UP, UH, CHICK-FIL-A AGAIN. THAT WAS TEMPORARY THOUGH. NO, IT WASN'T THAT, THAT ICE BOX THEY HAVE BEHIND IT. NO CHICK-FIL-A, THE BUILDING THEY BUILT TO, IT'S A HAD TO BE BUILT TWO THE SAME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. YEAH, THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE THAT MAKE THIS DISTINCT. ONE, THE METAL BUILDING, HE PAINTS IT GREEN. HE PROBABLY MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OTHER, YOU CAN'T SEE THIS FROM THE STREET ANYWAY. YEAH. WHERE BUT HE SITTING, HE CAN'T SEE IT FROM THE, FROM THE PUBLIC. FROM ALLEY ALLEY ALLEY. YEAH. HE DIDN'T GIVE US A, A SIDE LINE OF WHERE IT WAS. HE, THE ONLY THING HE SAID WAS RIGHT NEXT TO HIS, UH, CAR. UH, THERE'S I GUESS A CARPORT THERE ON THE BACKSIDE. YEAH. ON THE BACKSIDE. IF IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. YEAH. MY, MY INITIAL THOUGHTS ARE, OR NO, NO. THAT YOU'RE SETTING A PRECEDENT. YEAH. IF YOU DO LEAN THAT WAY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD DISCUSSION FOR YOU AND THEN OUR COUNSEL TO RECOMMEND TO COUNSEL IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW IT. WHERE THEN THERE'S NO GRAY AREA BECAUSE I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT THAT. YOU, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY THIS COULD HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN ONE AND THEN WE GET SEVERAL REQUESTS AND YOU DON'T WANT TO APPROVE 'EM 'CAUSE THEY DON'T MATCH THE BUILDING. OR YOU'RE TRYING TO GET 'EM TO MATCH THE BUILDING. AND IT'S LIKE, IS THE QUESTION, IS THE CONEX BUILDING ALLOWED OR NOT? UM, RIGHT NOW IT JUST SAYS IT HAS TO MATCH THE MATERIAL AND STUFF. THIS ONE, IT HAPPENS TO OTHER ONES. A LOT OF BUILDINGS ARE, ARE ARE BRICK. DO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR UH, UH, TEMPORARY STORAGE BUILDINGS? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THERE LIMITED LENGTH OF TIME THAT COULD BE THERE. AND I BROUGHT THAT UP TOO. BUT THAT WAS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND IT WAS PRIMARILY FOR THOSE, UH, PODS THAT THEY WANTED TO USE TEMPORARILY FOR STORAGE. BUT IT WAS PRIMARILY IN THE, ON THE FRONT SIDE OF THE, OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE RESIDE. SO DO WE ALLOW CONEXES IN ANY OF THE OTHER ZONES? WHAT THE, WHAT ABOUT WALMART WITH ALL THEIR SEASONAL STUFF? SEASONAL, I GUESS. YEAH. I I WHAT'S TEMPORARY? I MEAN, HOW LONG DO WE MONITOR? HOW LONG THEY KEEP IT? I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO HAVE IT TEMPORARY. WALMART, I THINK, I THINK FOR WALMART AND STUFF, WE TEMPORARY, WE, WE LET, WE LET THEM GO. 'CAUSE THEY USUALLY DON'T STAY ANY MORE THAN THREE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CHRISTMAS SEASON. THEY'LL BRING THEM IN. BUT THE ONE, THE ONES THAT WALMART USE ARE ON TRAILERS. LAST TIME I SAW THAT THEY WERE ON TRAILERS, THEY WEREN'T SITTING ON THE GROUND. BUT HOW DOES THIS NOT MEET THE ORDINANCE? I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT SAYING IT DOESN'T MEET THE ORDINANCE. I DON'T THINK IT, I I THINK THE, OR UPDATED, I THINK I, THE WAY THAT SAL AND I WERE READING IT IS JUST, IT'S THE, IT'S THE DEFINITION OF THE, OF THE ACCESSORY. CAN YOU PULL THAT OUT? I THINK IT AS, AS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. YES, IT DOES MEET WHAT'S WRITTEN. IT MIGHT NOT MEET INTENT. THERE WAS SOMETHING I THOUGHT THAT WAS TRIGGER TRIPPING US, BUT CONEX BOXES ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE POPULAR. THERE'S TWO, THOSE TWO MAIN, UH, IT'S, IT'S THE, IT IT, SO THE ONE THAT SOUND NOTED AS MATERIALS MUST BE SIMILAR TO THE PRINCIPAL BUSINESS. THAT'S RIGHT. WHICH IT MEETS. SO IN THIS ONE IT DOES. AND ANOTHER ONE, IT, IT WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, THE LOCAL MAYBE IF SOMEBODY ELSE WANTED TO DO IT, IF THEY WANTED TO PUT VENEER ON IT. IT'S INTERESTING MATERIALS. UH, AS OPPOSED TO DESIGN. YES, CORRECT. BECAUSE THE, THE THE VISIBLE PART, THE, UH, ROOF IS THE PRINCIPAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES. YEAH. IT SHOULD HAVE, IT SHOULD HAVE READ ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OF THE MAIN PRI BUILDING. NOW THAT WOULD'VE [00:25:01] BEEN, I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT. I GET THAT'S THE SENTENCE THAT, THAT'S HOLDING. THAT'S GOT US SIT IN A QUANDARY. I JUST STRUGGLE WITH HOW IT'S NOT MEETING THE ORDINANCE. CONEX BOXES IS STOUT THAN ANYTHING THEY BUILT. OH NO, NO. AS LONG AS Y'ALL GOT STUFF ON HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO ANCHOR IT OR WHATEVER. YEAH, CORRECT. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. I MEAN AS FAR AS BEING STURDY AND BEING ABLE TO WITHSTAND ANY BETTERING WITH THE PROPER ANCHORING. YES. BUT IT IS DOWNTOWN AND IT DOES SET A PRECEDENT. IT DOES SET A PRECEDENT. OH, HE'S ONE OF THE BIGGER LOTS DOWNTOWN AND HE'S IS COMPLETELY FENCED IN. AND IF WE WANT, WE CAN MAKE, ASK HIM TO PAINT IT GREEN TO MATCH THE BUILDING. I MEAN, IF HE DECIDED TO BUILD A NINE FOOT BY 40 FOOT WOODEN OUTBUILDING, WE WE WOULD LET HIM. WOULDN'T WE EX? EXCEPT FOR THEN THE WOODEN BUILDING IS NOT MADE OF LIKE MATERIAL AS THE EXTERIOR OF HIS BUSINESS. YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND IT'D BE MORE OF A HURRICANE HAZARD IF IT WAS AND CONSIDERABLY MORE EXPENSIVE. YEAH. IF YOU WOULD CAME DOWN HERE, COURSE YOU COULD BUILD THIS ADDITION THERE THEN PAINTED AND, YOU KNOW, SHAPE IT THE SAME WAY AS MAIN BUILDING, WHICH IS JUST A REGULAR CONSTRUCTION THERE. AND GREEN, MORE THAN LIKELY WE WON'T, WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ON THAT. THE ONLY THING IS WE, WE CAN'T REQUIRE PAINT COLORS. CAN'T IT AGAINST THE LAW. THE STATE. THE STATE DOES NOT ALLOW A CITY TO DESIGNATE PAINT COLORS. SO, UH, MEAN YOU COULD ASK , BUT YOU COULDN'T REQUIRE 'EM. HOW'D SUGAR LAND GET AWAY WITH IT? HOW DID SUGAR LAND GET AWAY WITH IT THEN? UH, IT'S BEEN, THE STATE LAW JUST CHANGED. UH, PROBABLY CHANGED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. OKAY. THEY DON'T ANYMORE. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LEEWAY. REALLY. IT'S VOLUNTARY NOW. THERE'S NO ARCHITECTURAL SITUATION. WELL, CAN YOU EVEN SAY IT'S GOTTA BE SIMILAR MATERIALS ANYMORE? IS THAT PROBABLY, PROBABLY THE STATE MEANT THAT TOO BECAUSE THAT HOUSE THAT'S CORNER CORNER OF ME THAT'S GOT THE WOODEN, I MEAN THE METAL GARAGE, YOU SAID WE CAN'T SAY NO TO THAT ANYMORE. EVEN RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THE STATE ALSO REGULATED THAT. YOU CAN'T TELL 'EM WHAT KIND OF MATERIALS. IT'S THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE WE'RE SAYING THE SAME MATERIALS THEY'VE ALREADY CHOSEN. SO WE'RE NOT TELLING 'EM WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T BUILD. WE'RE TELLING THEM THAT IT HAS TO MATCH WHAT THEY ALREADY HAVE. THE COLOR. DEFINITELY. THAT'S THE OTHER ONE THAT THE COLOR SAYS. NO, YOU CAN'T. THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN'T TELL THEM WHAT COLOR. OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL THIS? WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S THAT VISIBLE FROM, I MEAN I'VE KNOWN BRIAN ALL MY LIFE AND UH, HE RUNS A GOOD OPERATION. AND I THINK PROBABLY WITH A LITTLE BIT OF PROMPTING FROM, UH, HIS FRIENDS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WE COULD GET HIM TO BUY SOME, UM, GALLONS OF PLANT PAINT . THE COURT BOARD IS PAINTED GREEN NOW. MM-HMM . OKAY. BUT THE CONEX BUILDING IS NOT, WE DON'T KNOW. THAT WASN'T HIS CONEX THE CONEX ISN'T THERE. RIGHT. THIS IS THE PICTURE IS ONE HE HAS IN BRAZORIA. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO THIS IS, THIS IS, OH, . OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S A PILOT ALSO, SO HE IS PROBABLY RUNNING ON TAKING PICTURES OF EVERYTHING. LOOKS LIKE HE LIKES GREEN. SO WHAT BRAIN'S GOOD. OKAY. THERE'S THE, I ASSUME IT'D BE BEHIND THAT CARPORT. SO YEAH, THE CONEX THAT YOU SEE IN THAT PHOTO IS THE ONE HE'S GOT OVER IN HIS PLACE IN THE DOOR. I HE'S GOT THAT, THAT CONEX THERE. HE COULD PHOTO OF WHAT HE HAS OVER THERE. AND I WOULD THINK THAT HE WOULD, THAT HE, THAT IS HIS PLAN ON, ON DOING THE SAME THING THERE. MM-HMM . LETTER, POUR GARY THOUGHTS? I THINK IT'S A STRETCH TO ALLOW IT. WHY? SO? BECAUSE LIKE, I, I THINK IT'D BE AN ARCHITECTURAL THING AND IT SETS A PRECEDENT FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I WOULDN'T CONSIDER THAT A, UH, A TEMPORARY STORAGE. AND WE OUGHT TO HAVE REGULATIONS ON THAT. EVEN THOUGH IT'S TEMPORARY IS NOT THE CASE. I KNOW YOU CAN'T INSURE A CONEX. IT'S CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY STRUCTURE. HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE AND COMMERCIAL INSURANCE WON'T COVER THAT IF IT GETS BURNT. . I [00:30:01] LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY AT ONE OF MY GAS STATIONS. AND THEY DO NOT CONSIDER THAT AN INSURABLE STRUCTURE WHATSOEVER. THAT'S INTERESTING. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN WE, AND WE RAN POWER TO IT TOO FOR OUR SODA STORAGE AT OUR BUSIEST STORE UP IN NUMBER. SURELY HE'S LOOKED AT THAT AND IT, AND IT GOT BURNT BY A UNHAPPY HOMELESS MAN AND ZERO COVERAGE. 'CAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND IT'S NOT INSURABLE UNDER OUR STANDARD, UH, INSURANCE. UH, I THINK THAT PLAYS SOMETHING INTO IT PERSONALLY. UH, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT INSURANCE, BUT I'M DOING A 20 FOOT BOX IN FREER. BUT IT'S GLAD YOU CAME. IT'S OUT OUTSIDE OF TOWN, INSIDE THE, THEIR JURISDICTION. BUT IT'S, IT'S RANCH LAND. YEAH. AND I'M GONNA MAKE A CAMP HOUSE. YEAH, CAMP HOUSE. YEAH. APARTMENT. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE OUT IN BANDERA. WELL, I APOLOGIZE. MR. SANDERS JUST BROUGHT UP A QUESTION THAT I, I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT. AND IT IS THE QUESTION OF CAN WE REGULATE THE MATERIAL AND , NOW I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, THAT PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE, WILL IT EVEN HOLD UP NOW? I'D HAVE TO, WE MAY, WE MAY HAVE TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON THAT. BECAUSE I SAW THAT. I WAS LIKE, AND I WAS THINKING, OKAY, THAT'S WHAT'S HANGING US UP. BUT NOW I'M QUESTIONING, I'M QUESTIONING IS DOES STATE LAW NOW EVEN ALLOW US TO EVEN ASK FOR THAT? HMM. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. WHEN WE COMPLETELY REVAMP THE STORAGE BUILDING STUFF IN RESIDENTIAL, WE, WE DIDN'T MENTION, UH, BUILDING MATERIALS, DID WE? WE JUST SAID YOU CAN PRETTY MUCH BUILD WHATEVER YOU WANT. ONLY SIZE, SIZE, SIZE. YEAH. BUT THAT WAS A PERCENTAGE OF SQUARE FOOT OF PROPERTY. 200 SQUARE FOOT MAX. 200 MAX. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT MATERIALS. 20 FOOT . YEAH. I IS THERE ANYWHERE ELSE, UH, THAT WE TALKED ABOUT MATERIALS IN THAN THE OLD PROVISION OF COLORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT? WHICH NOTE? WE KNOW WE THAT WE CAN'T APPLY THAT. THE ONLY THING I SEE IS IF THIS IS DEEMED TEMPORARY, IF BY LAW THIS IS A TEMPORARY BUILDING AND WE'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW A TEMPORARY BUILDING. THAT'S THE ONLY HANGUP I SEE. 'CAUSE MATERIALS AND CONSTRUCTION AND ALL. I DON'T SEE THAT. YEAH. NOT TO BE TEMPORARY. WOULD IT REQUIRE A SLAB? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK, WELL, THEY COULD PUT A SLAB UNDERNEATH. THERE'S A SLAB UNDER A BIG PART OF IT NOW. IN THE BACK. YEAH. IT ALREADY SLAB. THAT'S NEXT TO THE CARPORT. YES. YEAH. OKAY. REMEMBER THIS ONE IS NOT, IT IS NOT IN THE AREA. BUT UH, WE'RE ASSUME THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT A SLAB. THERE. SEEMS LIKE THAT'S A SLOPE BACK THERE. I KNOW IT IS SLOPE. THIS IS LIKE JACKSON . THAT'S IT. IS, IT IS HIGHER BACK THERE. BUT IT'S NOT SLOPE TO THE POINT WHERE ANYTHING'S GONNA SLIDE DOWN. IT. IT'S, I KNOW WHEN I, IT'S GOT A LOT MORE FALLING THE DRIVEWAY THAT ALLEY ILLEGALLY MAY GOING OUT FROM BY PA FALL. IT'S A DOWNHILL TRIP. SO, SO THAT'S THE GUY HERE. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT HE DOESN'T PUT THAT COMMENTS ON TOP. HE, I WOULD MENTION TO HIM THE INSURANCE. I THINK IT'LL BE JUST FINE WITH INSURANCE. WITHOUT YEAH. WITHOUT IT. YOUR STUFF'S NOT INSURED AT THE PAWN SHOP. , YOUR LITTLE TICKET SAYS THAT THEY DON'T COVER INSURANCE AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS TO IT WHILE IT'S IN THEIR POSITION IS YOUR FAULT. . HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS? BECAUSE THAT PAWN SHOP, THE OTHER PAWN SHOP, THE KLU PAWN SHOP BURNED DOWN. MM-HMM . AND WHEN THEY DID THAT, IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE TICKED OFF. 'CAUSE ALL THEIR LITTLE SLIPS SAID THAT THEY WEREN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING IN THERE. THEY LOST EVERYTHING THAT THEY HAD PAWNED. NOW THEY, THAT, THAT WENT TO COURT. AND THEY WERE FOUND DUE. DUE DUE, THE REASON OF THE FIRE THEY WERE FOUND LIABLE FOR QUITE A LARGE SUM OF THAT. SO DO WE HAVE A ZONING MAP? ZONING MAP? THIS IS B TWO, CORRECT? YEAH. I JUST WANNA BE CAUTIOUS THAT WE PROVE THIS. WHERE'S THAT PHOTO AT? YOU'RE ALLOWING A CON, YOU WOULD BE ALLOWING A CONEX IN. NO, NO, NOT THAT ONE. THE ONE YOU JUST ON GOOGLE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. DON'T WORRY. YEAH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. UH, WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR IS, SO DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ORDINANCE AND TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN POST? LOOK AT THAT HANDSOME SOUND. WELL LET'S, [00:35:01] LET'S GET A RULING FROM THE ATTORNEY TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT STATE LAW, YOU KNOW, UNLESS HE THINKS WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. YEAH. BECAUSE STATE LONG CAN'T DO ANYTHING. DID Y'ALL USE A, I DON'T KNOW, PHOTOS. , HE STOLE THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH. I THINK SAL MAY GOT HIS HAIR. DID THAT MORNING. FRESH HAIRCUT. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? B TWO. ALL OF B TWO. SO IT'S THAT GREEN COLOR. YEAH. SO WE INTERPRET IT. THAT'S WHAT, SO CONEX BUILDINGS COULD BE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS AND ALL THOSE SO YEAH, IT OPENS IT UP. YEAH. NOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE, WOULD WANT TO DO THAT? I DUNNO. PROPERTY BEING SUCH, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN. WHAT'S THE EXACT WORDING OF CONDITIONAL USE? WHAT'S THE EXACTLY. THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. IT'S CONDITIONAL USE. UH, THE ACCESSORY BUILDINGS ARE CONDITIONAL USE IN ALL THE B TWOS. SO MEANING IT ALWAYS GOES TO YOU. IT ALWAYS COMES TO YOU. EACH SITUATION CONDITION IS COMING TO YOU. THAT'S THE REASON. CONDITIONAL. AND I GUESS, I GUESS THE ONLY ARGUMENT THAT I COULD MAKE ON A CONDITIONAL USE IS BECAUSE IT'S CONDITIONAL USE. YOU COULD PROBABLY ASK THAT IT BE PAINTED GREEN OR YOU COULD ASK THAT IT BE PAINTED PINK AND STUFF. . I'M TRYING TO STRETCH. I MEAN, SHERRY HAS SAID THAT BEFORE. THE CONDITIONAL USE DOES GIVE YOU SOME LEEWAY. THAT'S LEEWAY. YEAH. TO, THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF CONDITIONAL USE TO GIVE US LATITUDE. RIGHT. SO YOU COULD IN THAT, IN THAT INSTANCE, YOU COULD DO THAT. CONDITIONAL USE IS AN INTERESTING TERM. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS A NON-CON? UNCONDITIONAL USE? PERMITTED USE. PERMITTED. SO NOT CONDITION STATED. NOT STATED. OKAY. THAT'S THE WORD. YEAH. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE ZONES THAT ARE IN GREEN HERE, DOWNTOWN, UH, LOWE'S, NER JACKSON, THE WALMART TO CAR DEALERSHIP AREA ON THAT SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. ALL OF THOSE WOULD BE WHERE YOU COULD ALLOW A CONDITIONAL USE OF AN ACCESSORY BUILDING ON THOSE PROPERTIES. BUT YOU WOULD SET, YOU WOULD DEFINE THE CONDITIONS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE. PUT YOU PUT YOUR CURSOR, ZOOM IN, PUT YOUR CURSOR EXACTLY WHERE THIS PAWN SHOP IS, ISN'T IT? THAT PINK STUFF FINE TO ZOOM IN THERE. AND YOU FELT MORE COMFORTABLE IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IF YOU SAW THAT THIS PARTICULAR AREA WOULD BE MORE, I MEAN MORE FIT FOR THIS PURPOSE, YOU WOULD, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALREADY, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S BOARDED UP, IT'S FENCED UP. YOU MAY REQUIRE THAT THIS TYPE OF, UH, APPLICATION BE ONLY DONE AND THEY THERE. I MIGHT BE LOST BUT ISN'T ISN'T THERE OVER HERE IS WHERE HIS PLACE IS. YES, SIR. IS LIGHT PINKS. SO WHAT ZONE IS THAT? THAT'S A QUESTION. OH. WHICH REMEMBER WHERE THE OLD CAR DEALERSHIP WAS THERE? LAKE HARDWARE WAS AND ALL OF THAT. SAME AS BARTLET'S, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. NEAR THAT LIGHT PINK. WELL THAT'S A LOT OF PLANTS. THAT IS, I DUNNO. UH, SO IS THAT NOT DOWNTOWN DELAYED? DELAYED? YEAH, IT IS. IT IS DOWN DOWNTOWN. AND I'M TRYING TO GET OH, THAT, THAT MIKE PINK IN THAT AREA THERE. CORRECT. THERE'S NO REASON IT IS A B TWO. IT'S A PLAIN OLD B TWO. SO THIS MAP IS SUPPOSED TO BE ALIVE AND I'M SUPPOSED TO BE OVER HOVER, BE ABLE TO HOVER OVER IT AND PULL UP THE ZONING ORDINANCE WHERE IT WAS REZONED FOR WHATEVER. WHERE IS NICOLE WHEN YOU NEED IT? HER BABY. THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO KNOW TOO. , I'LL PUT AN ALL OUT BULLET IN ON THERE. A PB. WILL IT WORK ON HOVERING OVER ONE OF THE OTHER LARGER PINK ONES? NO, THIS, THIS PARTICULAR LITTLE ONLINE, UH, ADOBE THING IS DEAD. IT'S NOT ALIVE. JUST A PDF. I'M GONNA PULL IT UP IN OUR ARCHIVES AND SEE WHAT IT COMES UP WITH. A DIFFERENT COLOR HERE. COULD BE [00:40:01] A C ONE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. COULD BE A C ONE. THE REASON BEING A C ONE, BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT WAS WHERE THE, WHERE THE LUMBER YARD WAS. MM-HMM . ALSO THE YAMAHA SHOP. WELL THAT WAS THE SAME BUILDING. YEAH, BUT THE LUMBER YARD WAS REQUIRED. AND A HONDA SHOP. YEAH. BARNS LUMBER. WHO WAS THERE? THEY WERE ON THE OTHER CORNER, WEREN'T THEY? THEY WERE, YEAH, THEY WERE ON THE CORNER THERE. BUT BECAUSE OF IT BEING THERE, UH, THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE REASON WHY IT WAS C ONE THAT ALLOWED THAT BACK USED. LOOKS LIKE IT'S LISTED AS B THREE. YOUR MAP SAYS IT'S B ONE VERSUS B TWO. B TWO IS GREEN. THE PINK IS B ONE B ONE. LITTLE DIFFERENT. WE HAVE, YEAH, I REMEMBER MARTIN AND YOU MET, YOU MET FROM YOUR OFFICE. I MEAN, MYRON SON USED TO BE THERE. IT CHOSE THAT SMALL AREA. B ONE MYRON SON USED TO BE IN THAT SAME BUILDING, OR I GUESS LAKE JACKSON POWER, WHATEVER THEY CALLED THEMSELVES AT THE TIME. MYRON SHOWS I THINK STILL. YEAH, RIGHT THERE. THE BLUE. IT SAYS THAT TO THE RIGHT. THERE IT IS. THAT'S B ONE. AND THIS IS ALL B TWO AND THAT SOUNDS CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. DOES THAT CHANGE OUR DISCUSSION? GOING TO BE ONE? UH, YEAH. B ONE AN ACCESSORY, UH, TECHNOLOGY. COOL. ONE TWO PROCEED. B TWO. UH, NOW WE'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT THINGS. SO B TWO WAS CREATED C THIS CENTRAL SOUNDS LIKE, LET ME GO, LEMME GO LOOK AT THE ORIGINALS. AND THEY'RE GONNA ENGINE THE FIRST B 52. YEAH, IT'S GOT THE NEW BOOK NOW. I WAS JUST READING ABOUT THAT. B ONE NEIGHBORHOOD PLACE PERMITTED ACCESSORY USES NOT ALLOWED. NEIGHBORHOOD ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. NONE ALLOWED. WELL, THAT'S ALL BET. SO WE JUST NEED TO CONFIRM THE ZONING. SO DOES IT, CAN YOU BUILD SOMETHING ATTACHED THEN IF WE NEEDED, HOW COULD HE GET AROUND THAT? HE CAN EXPAND THE BUILDING, BUT HE CAN'T HAVE ACCESSORY. YEAH, HE CAN'T HAVE AN ACCESSORY BUILDING. HE EXPAND. THAT'S CORRECT. OR COME TO US AND ASK TO CHANGE HIS ZONING NEIGHBORHOOD. I APOLOGIZE. WE GOT THE WRONG ZONING. ALL RIGHTY THEN. ALRIGHT, THIS SOLVED ITSELF. IT'S NEXT ON THAT ONE. YEP. LET'S, LETS UH, UH, RESEARCH THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT REZONE THAT AND FIND OUT WHAT IT IS. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THEM LONG. UH, WE'LL COME BACK TO IT LATER. THAT IS COME BACK TO IT. YEAH. B ONE. WHERE'D MODESTO GO? . THEY ALL MADE A RUN FOR IT. WE'LL COME, WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT ONE. LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THE NEXT ONE. DISCUSS [6. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER THE BOARD’S INTEREST IN UNDERTAKING A REASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT PARKING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGNATE A REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT.] AND CONSIDER BOARD'S INTEREST AND UNDERTAKING AND, UH, REASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT AND PARKING ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND DESIGNATED REVIEW SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT. . AND YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? UH, YEAH, IF YOU WANT YOU COULD TAKE THAT ONE. UM, THE STAFF REALLY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY DO A ANY DISCUSSION YET. WE DID REACH OUT THOUGH TO KERRVILLE. WE HAD DONE A RECENT CHANGE IN THEIR PARKING ORDINANCE, UM, FOR COMMERCIAL. BUT EDDIE, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY GO IN DEPTH AND SEE IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OURS? UM, WELL, YES, THEY DID REDUCE THE, THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES BY TWO PER THOUSAND LOWER THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY HAVE. BUT THAT'S ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. C ONE. RIGHT. THOSE ARE THE BIG BUILDINGS. THOSE AREN'T THE SMALL LITTLE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ONE ACRE SPOTS THAT ARE BEING, UH, YOU KNOW, SHOEHORNED IN EVERYWHERE. SO THAT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT STILL. UM, THE ONE THING I WAS HOPING WHEN, AS WE SAW AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER WAS AS MR. BA JEON HAD, YOU KNOW, ASKED, IT'S LIKE, WERE THERE ANY SMALL CITIES LOOK HAD DONE ANYTHING, THEIR ANSWERS IS THAT WHEN THEY DID A, THEY TRIED TO DO A THOROUGH SURVEY, THEY COULDN'T FIND SMALL CITIES WHO HAD REALLY CHANGED ANYTHING. THEY WERE JUST LIKE US. WE'VE SEEN BIG CITIES TALK ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS, BUT THEY HADN'T FOUND ANY SMALL CITIES. SO RIGHT NOW, UNLESS EDDIE'S FOUND SOMETHING OR S FOUND SOMETHING, THEY MAY BE THE ONLY EXAMPLE WE HAVE SO FAR. YEAH, I CAN IT IS C ONE. [00:45:02] IT'S C ONE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. IT'S SEA ONE. YEAH. AND I REMEMBER BECAUSE OF THAT MANY AND AUTO DEALERSHIP AND DOES C ONE LL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. WELL THAT'S WHAT I, I DUNNO, LET'S FINISH UP THIS ONE. THIS ITEM IS, YEAH, WE'D LIKE TO, WE'D LIKE TO REVISIT THE YEAH, WE'LL COME BACK PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE ALL GET READY TO. OKAY. SO THIS IS, THESE ARE THE CITIES THAT ARE LAKE JACKSON SIZE UP TO AND AROUND A HUNDRED THOUSAND IN POPULATION. UM, ON THIS LIST, THESE, THESE RED HIGHLIGHTED ONES HERE, THESE, THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. ALL THE GREEN ONES HAVE SOME SORT OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS. AND THESE PURPLE ONES HAVE, I WOULD SAY, LOOSE RESTRICTIONS. THEY GET, THEY HAVE A LOT OF VARIANCES, A LOT OF WAYS FOR YOU TO, TO SHRINK THE SIZE. UM, THESE QUESTION MARKS, THEY'RE BASICALLY, THEY'RE, MOST OF THOSE ARE CDPS. THEY'RE, UH, CENSUS DESIGNATED PLACES. THEY'RE NOT CITIES. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A, A MUNI CODE, UH, A A WRITTEN ORDINANCE. UM, THESE BLUE HIGHLIGHTED CITIES ARE THE ONES THAT ARE A, A LOT BIGGER THAN LAKE JACKSON. KIND OF JUST UNDER THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND, AROUND THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND RANGE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE KIND OF FOCUSED ON THAT YOU GUYS KIND OF POINTED US TO LAST TIME. AND, UH, SO THAT'S, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE OF MORE INTEREST TO YOU. UM, THE BIG THING THAT KEPT COMING UP IS THAT DEFERRED PARKING, THAT WAS THE BIG VARIANCE THAT EVERYBODY IS MOVING TOWARDS WHERE YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THE SPACE FOR THE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED BY, BY ORDINANCE. BUT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO PHASE IT IN AS YOU NEED IT IN THE FUTURE. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT, IT MAKES SURE THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A WALMART SIZED BUILDING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SPACE FOR A WALMART SIZED PARKING LOT. IF YOU DECIDE YOU ONLY WANT TO PUT IN 10 SPACES AT, AT FIRST, THEN YOU PUT IN YOUR 10 SPACES AND SEE HOW YOUR BUSINESS GOES. BUT IF YOUR BUSINESS FAILS, THAT PROPERTY STILL HAS ROOM TO EXPAND THAT PARKING LOT AND BE USABLE FOR A WALMART, YOU KNOW, AND THEIR TYPE OF PARKING. BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIG THING THAT JUST KEEPS POPPING UP EVERYWHERE. UM, MOST OF THESE , SO THEY HAVE TO BUY THE, THEY WOULD'VE TO BUY THE REQUIRED LAND, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEVELOP IT ALL FOR PARKING UNTIL, UNTIL THE, IT'S NEEDED. OR THE CITY SAID, GUYS, YOU GOT PROBLEMS. YOU NEED IT. I MEAN, HOW DOES THE CITY ENFORCE THEM TO BUILD THAT? YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE MORE HEADACHE FOR YOU GUYS. THEIR BUSINESS IS GONNA DIE IF THEY DON'T HAVE PARKING. THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO OPERATE. THEY'RE GONNA LOSE MONEY. MR. PER JUNE, I WANT TO CORRECT YOU NOW. YOU WELL PLAYED SIR. WELL PLAYED SIR. IF, IF, IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL, PEOPLE WILL STOP GOING. JUST LIKE EVERY LITTLE RESTAURANT THAT POPS UP THESE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND THEY GET TOO BUSY AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANNA SPEND THEIR TIME WAITING IN LINE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY CAN'T PARK, THEY CAN'T GET THROUGH. YEAH. SO THE BUSINESSES START LOSING BUSINESS. UM, SO IT WOULD KIND OF HANDLE ITSELF. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GONNA WANT TO COME IN AND BUILD THE NEXT PHASE. YOU REALLY WOULDN'T HAVE TO TELL 'EM TO. UM, I GUESS IF THEY STARTED PARKING ON THE GRASS AND RUINING LANDSCAPING AND STUFF, THAT'S WHEN WE STEP IN AND SAY, HEY, YOU GUYS NEED TO PUT IN THE PARKING. IF, IF THAT'S WHERE I SEE THE YEAH. IF WE, IF WE WENT IN, IF WE WENT INTO THAT MENTALITY OF DOING THAT, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING IS A BAD IDEA, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME VERY GOOD WORDING DICTATING THAT. 'CAUSE THEY, THIS WAY THEY DON'T COME BACK. WELL, IT'S JUST OUR SPRING SALE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THE GREEN SPACE. OR WE HAD A NEW LAUNCH FOR THE NEW POKEMON CARD. THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING THE GREEN SPACE. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSED, WHEN THE COUNCIL WAS DISCUSSING THIS IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IT WAS REALLY JUST STUDYING, YOU KNOW, JUST ASKING TO TAKE A LOOK AND IS OUR PARKING TOO, ARE WE REQUIRING TOO MUCH? MM-HMM . AND THEN LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF IT COULD, YOU KNOW, COULD BE LESS OF OUR, OUR FLEXIBILITY JUST BECAUSE I GUESS SHOPPING CHANGED NOW IN, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALLOWED MORE PARKING, BUT YOU KNOW, OUR USE OF PARKING, YOU KNOW, LOTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. BUT WHAT WE HAVE MAY BE WORKING, UH, IT GOES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY GIVE YOU AN ALTERNATE. THERE'S STILL, WE HAVE AN ALTERNATE PROVISION FOR PARKING. WE'RE GONNA PUT CONDITIONAL. CONDITIONAL YEAH. CONDITIONAL . BUT I MEAN, YOU'VE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, TARGET TO SELL SOME OF THEIR PARKING. YOU'VE ALLOWED THEM ALL TO SELL SOME OF THEIR PARKING, HOBBY LOBBY, WALMART, KMART, NOT KMART, UH, TARGET. NO, THEY'VE ALL DONE THAT. SO WHAT WE MAY BE SEEING, YOU KNOW, NATIONALLY FROM THE BIG CITIES, [00:50:01] WE MAY BE ACCOMPLISHING IT ALREADY WITH OUR MECHANISM. SO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT MR. SERGEANT JUST LABELED, DID WE NOT HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A CONDITIONAL, THEY ALL STAYED WITHIN THEIR, AT OUR PRESENT RATE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS. DID ALL THOSE BUSINESSES STAY WITHIN THEIR REQUIREMENT OR DID WE HAVE TO GIVE 'EM A CONDITIONAL ADJUSTMENT TO THAT? BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE DID JUST GIVE THAT TO WALMART AND I THOUGHT WE GAVE THAT TO TARGET. I HAVE TO DEFER TO SOLID. ONE OF OUR, OUR DEVICES THAT WE USE TO BE ABLE TO REDUCE PARKING IS TO CROSS ACCESS. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. CROSS ACCESS MAJOR, THE PARENT. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT PLACES LIKE WALMART, TARGET ACADEMY, HOBBY LOBBY, THAT WORKS FINE AND DANDY. CORRECT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE HAD THE CROSS AXIS FUN WITH THE OLD RICOCHETS DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT, THAT'S WHY I ASKED, I KNOW WE'VE GIVEN SOME SPECIAL CONDITIONS TO PEOPLE BUILDING IN THEIR PARKING LOT. SO IF, IF THAT'S GONNA BE THE PRESIDENT WE SET, WELL THEN WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST LEAVE IT. JUST KEEP ON MESSING WITH WELL, THE PLANNING AND COMMISSION'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, VERY FLEXIBLE. YEAH. JUST CONTINUED DOING ONE OFFS. YEAH. TWO OBSERVATIONS. I'VE NEVER AGREED WITH THE TYING PARKING TO SQUARE FOOTAGE BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES CHANGE OVER, YOU KNOW, COAL USED TO BE A LUMBER YARD AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE'D BE NO CORRELATIONS THERE. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP THERE. AND SECOND SEEMED LIKE HOW DOES THE PARKING IMPACT THE CITY? IT IMPACTS THE, UH, THE MERCHANT, BUT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE CITY. UH, QUEUING LANES DO IMPACT THE CITY CAN GET IN THEIR TRAFFIC, BUT PARKING, I'VE NEVER SEEN THE RELATIONSHIP. THAT'S WHY EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT ONE YOU SAID ABOUT THEY JUST HAVE THE LAND AND THEY BUILD AS THEY NEED. YEAH. THAT I LIKE THAT. I LIKE THAT YOU COME UP WITH MATT'S RULES AND MAKE IT WELL, YOU GO BACK TO THE QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH, YOU DON'T PARK ON THE ROAD . RIGHT. THAT YOU HAVE A ADEQUATE PARKING. THE QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP THE CHURCH ON A COUPLE OCCASIONS, AT LEAST, OR AT LEAST THE BIG BOX STORIES, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE RECOMMENDED, YOU KNOW, TARGET MAY RECOMMEND 250 SPOTS, BUT OUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES 300. UM, AND THEY, THEY TELL US, OR THEY TELL YOU PRIME EXAMPLES OF NEW CHURCH THEY PARKED ON THE HIGHWAY FOUR CONSECUTIVE SUNDAYS IN A ROW. HAVE YOU SEEN THAT? YES. THAT'S MY OLD, UH, BUILDING. YES. UH, YES. AND I, THEY'VE PARKED ON THE HIGHWAY FOUR CONSECUTIVE SUNDAYS IN A ROW, WHICH I HAD THAT MUCH BUSINESS WHEN I HAD IT, BUT IT'S, UH, THAT'S DANGEROUS. UH, VERY. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO EVERY BUSINESS, BUT IT IS. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE LAND THING. I DO. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE DONE THIS COMMISSION WELL BEFORE I'VE EVER HERE AND WELL, AFTER I'M GONE, IT'S DONE A FINE JOB IN MY VISION DOING THE ONE-OFF. AND I'LL, I'LL GO BACK TO THE, PROBABLY THE ORIGINAL PREMISE OF WHERE IT'S COME UP IS THE MALL IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY REDEVELOP, DID THE PLANNING COMMISSION COUNCIL THE CITY WANT TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE THEY DON'T NEED ALL THAT PARKING, BUT IT'S THERE BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENT. MM-HMM . DO WE CHANGE THE REQUIREMENT OR HAVE A MECHANISM TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE A MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT? UH, BECAUSE THE PARKING, YOU KNOW, IN A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT DOESN'T GET USED EVERY DAY. THERE'S KIND OF THINGS ABOUT THAT DEAL THAT HELPS US WITH OUR DRAINAGE, HELPS US WITH OUR WATER FLOW. THERE'S MM-HMM . GET RID OF ALL LOOK WITH 'EM ALL. HOW MUCH, HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT OF IMPERMEABLE SURFACE? MM-HMM . THERE BEEN ALL THESE YEARS. IT'S NEVER HAD A CAR PARKED ON IT. MM-HMM . FIL IS RIGHT NOW THINKING ABOUT EXACTLY. HIS, THE HAIR ON THE BACK OF HIS NECK IS STANDING UP RIGHT NOW. 12 STATES AWAY. , HE'S GONNA BE PROUD. , UM, EDDIE, DID YOU SAY WHICH ONES? WHICH WAS THAT IN THE, MENTIONED IN THE PURPLE OR THE RED? SO THE PURPLE ONES THAT ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THESE, THESE DEVICES TO REDUCE PARKING. AND THAT, THAT'S ONE THAT KEEPS COMING UP IN A LOT OF THEM. UH, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER ONES. SO THIS, THIS PARTICULAR ONE IN SEIN, UM, WHAT THEY DID FOR SPECIAL CASES, LIKE THE MALL WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, SHOPPING MALLS REALLY MM-HMM . UM, MULTIPLE USES. THEY CONSIDER ALTERNATE PARKING. SO IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A, A RESTAURANT THAT'S OPENING IN THE, IN THE EVENINGS AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OTHER BUSINESSES LIKE VEN OFFICE AND THINGS THAT ARE OPEN AND CLOSE AT FIVE. YEAH. THEY TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND LETS YOU ADJUST YOUR PARKING SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR BOTH BUSINESSES, BECAUSE SOME OF THE PATRONS WON'T BE THERE WHILE THE OTHER ONES ARE. ISN'T THAT, AND SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARDER, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER BIG ONE. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE DID WITH THE NEW LAONA AFTER THE REBUILD? AND, AND WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE HAVE DONE THE SAME PRINCIPLE. YEAH. AND, UH, SAYING, OKAY, UH, YES. THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS [00:55:01] IS NOT STRICTLY A, YOU KNOW YEAH. EIGHT TO FIVE A PLACE. YEAH. WE HAVE DONE THAT STACKING CASE BY CASE JUST LAST MONTH BEFORE THAT. YEAH. HOW WELL DID CHURCH CORRECT THEIR PROBLEM? THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO SOLVE OUR PROBLEM BY THE MCDONALD'S LAND BEING TURNED INTO A PARKING LOT. AND THAT'S A GOOD ANSWER. GOOD LUCK. THAT'S EXPENSIVE PARKING LOT. YEAH. I SAY THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE PARKING LOT. YOU PAY ENOUGH. BUT I MEAN, THAT, THAT, THAT CHURCH THING'S BLOWING MY MIND FOUR SUNDAYS IN A ROW. AND, AND I TELL YOU WHAT, SOME PEOPLE DO NOT MIND THROWING THAT DOOR OUT REAL FAST, QUICK AND EASY. NO. AND CHILDREN, AND THEY PARKED ON 2004. ON 2004. YES. YEAH. ON TWO FOUR. I HEARD THAT. FOUR CONSECUTIVE SUNDAYS. OKAY. YEAH. NO, AND, AND THEY WERE EVERY, PRETTY MUCH EVERY PERSON WAS PROBABLY LATE TO SERVICE. GOD BLESS. AND THEY WERE JUMPING OUT THEM CARS AND JOGGING DOWN AND THEY WERE PROBABLY STILL USING THAT PARKING. LOT OF THAT PARKING THAT WAS IN IN YOUR PROPERTY WAS IN THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THAT BELONGS TO YOU. YEAH. OH, IT, IT IS. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PARKED, SO THEY'RE PROBABLY USING, THEY'RE PARALLEL PARKING EVERYWHERE THEY CAN. UH, DID YOU SEE SOME ON BEAVER'S LOT? I DID NOT SEE ANYBODY ON THE GRASS NOW PARALLEL PARKING BO BOTH, I MEAN ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE. NO. AND THEN THE HIGHWAY. I UNDERSTAND. BUT YEAH, I HADN'T SEEN ANYBODY ON THE GRASS ON BEAVER'S LOT. NO. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, I MEAN EVEN, EVEN ON NOW, ACTUALLY, WHAT ABOUT THE OFFICE? ABOUT YEAH, THE OFFICE HAD PEOPLE HAD PEOPLE IN IT. OH. OH, THEY, WELL, ONCE AGAIN, THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT, DON'T THEY? WELL, TECHNICALLY SPEAKING. WELL, AND ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. THEY DON'T DO BUSINESS AT THE SAME TIME YEAH. ON SOME EXACTLY. WHICH THAT WORKS. THAT IS STILL A BUCKY'S ONE OF THEIR CORPORATE. YEAH. BUT REG OWNS, UH, THE EMPTY LOT. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. AND IT'S NOT CHEAP. NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. YEAH. THAT'S SO, YEAH. SO ALTERNATING IS, IS ANOTHER ONE OF THEIR CONSIDERATIONS. UH, TEMPLE KIND OF WENT REALLY SIMPLE WITH THEIRS AND UH, THEY, THEY'RE JUST REQUIRING ONE SPACE PER THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT AND THEN 10,001 TO 50,000 REQUIRES AN ADDITIONAL THREE OR FOUR SPACES ON TOP OF THAT OR SOMETHING. IT'S REAL SIMPLE. UM, SO THEY GOT A LOT OF LATERAL MOVEMENT IN THERE. WHEN'S THE LAST TIME YOU WENT TO THE TEMPLE? WALMART. YEAH. . I'M SERIOUS. NO, I'M SERIOUS. THAT, THAT, THAT THE TEMPLE WALMART HAS A SMALLER PARKING LOT THAN THE WEST COLUMBIA WALMART HAS. YEAH. AND THAT, I MEAN, I'M LOOKING FOR SPACES WHEN I GO THERE. 'CAUSE I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES THERE BECAUSE GO THERE OFTEN THAT WALMART, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR A SPACE LIKE IT'S BLACK FRIDAY EVERY DAY. IS THAT RIGHT? OH, IT'S INSANE. I MEAN, THE WALMART IN WEST COLUMBIA LITERALLY HAS A LARGER PARKING LOT THAN THAT TEMPLE ONE DOES. AND THAT'S A FULL SIZE SUPER CENTER. THE BUILDING'S BIGGER THAN THEIR PARKING LOT, AND YET THEY STILL, THEY'RE STILL, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE, I MEAN, I'M SERIOUS. IT'S LIKE A BLACK FRIDAY EVERY DAY IN THAT PARKING LOT. AND I'VE BEEN THERE DURING THE WEEK. I'VE BEEN THERE THERE WEEKEND HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, THE GENTLEMAN I GRADUATED WITH. SO, AND IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WHAT CELL ARE THEY HAVING YOU GO IN? HE SAYS, OH, IT'S EVERYONE'S SHOPPING. APPLES MILK. NO BIG DEAL. SO HEARST AND HU TWO CITIES THAT ARE JUST A LITTLE BIGGER THAN US, UM, THEY DON'T HAVE LISTED REQUIREMENTS. IT'S BASICALLY, YOU BRING IT IN, YOU SHOW US WHAT YOU WANT, AND OUR CITY MANAGER, OR OUR PLANNING, UH, A ONE BY ONE, IT'LL GO ONE BY ONE. YEAH. IF THAT WAS, IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE WOULD'VE HAD PUT LIKE A FOUR MILE STRETCH FOR SEVEN BIRD. YEAH. THEY HAVE GOOD CITY MANAGERS. SO GEORGETOWN, , GEORGETOWN, UH, IT, GEORGETOWN WAS INTERESTING. THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF PROVISIONS TO ALLOW, UH, THESE, THESE VARIANCES. AND OFFSITE VALETS IS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, SOUNDS GREAT. GEORGETOWN WOULD WORK HERE, BUT YEAH. UM, SO THEY, THEY REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE THE, THE AMOUNT OF PARKING, BUT YOU CAN HAVE IT ON THE OTHER SIDE, SIDE OF TOWN AS LONG AS YOU'RE OFFERING A VALET SERVICE BACK AND FORTH. SO YOU CAN BUY A LOT OVER IN A PLACE WHERE NOBODY WANTS TO BE AND BUILD YOUR BUSINESS SOMEWHERE ELSE AND JUST VALET YOUR, YOUR, BUT THE CITY CAN REQUIRE THAT. THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE. THAT'S ONE OF THEIR, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T TELL STUFF TO BE COLORS, BUT WE CAN RECORD THAT VALET. IT'S AN OPTION. IT'S AN OPTION. SO HOUSTON HAS NO ZONING. DO THEY HAVE ANY PARKING REQUIREMENTS? HECK NO. IT DIDN'T LOOK THAT BIG. UM, I, I'M GONNA SAY THAT ENTERPRISE DOES, IT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. SO JUST DELETE OUR ZONING. BUT YEAH, AGAIN, HOUSTON, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH, YOU'LL SEE BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ABANDONED FOR 30 OR 40 YEARS MM-HMM . THAT NOBODY WANTS TO BUY FOR WHATEVER REASON. AND IT, A LOT OF IT COULD BE THAT THEIR WAREHOUSES AND DIDN'T HAVE PARKING. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THEIR ONLY WAREHOUSES FROM NOW ON, UM, THEIR MALLS ARE THE SAME WAY THOUGH TOO. THEY'VE GOT A TON OF PARKING AND IT'S LITTLE BUILDING IN THE MIDDLE, AND THEY STORAGE UNITS. IT'S, IT'S, WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT, UH, ON [01:00:01] OYSTER CREEK THAT'S BEEN ABANDONED SINCE THEY, THEY BUILT IT NEXT TO THE CHICK-FIL-A THING, BUT THEY GOT PLENTY OF PARKING. GOT PLENTY OF PARKING. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY USABLE. IT'S JUST EXPENSIVE. UM, SO YEAH, THAT, THOSE ARE THE BIG, THE BIG ALTERNATES THERE. UM, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I FOUND WHEN I DID ALL OF THESE. LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THESE, EVERYONE ELSE, PRETTY MUCH. THEY'VE GOT ORDINANCES THAT ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO OURS. HONESTLY, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE HAVE. I DID PUT THIS ONE, UH, THIS ONE WORD, YOU ONE HERE, SAN ANGELO CITY. BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THE WAY THAT THEY, THEY WORDED THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEY GAVE SPECIFIC PURPOSES FOR, FOR THEIR PLANNING COMMISSION SO THAT THEY COULD GRANT VARIANCES ACCORDING TO THEIR, THEIR PURPOSES. AND IT'S, UH, TO ENSURE ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY FOR NEW USES AND EXPANSION OF EXISTING USES, AND TO MINIMIZE THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES FROM SPILLING SPILLOVER IMPACTS OF INSUFFICIENT PARKING, UH, AND TO PROVIDE MINIMUM PARKING, MANEUVERING AND PAVING STANDARDS TO ENSURE LONGEVITY AND ADEQUACY OF PARKING, UH, LOTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND THEN NUMBER THREE IS TO ALLOW THE OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATIVES TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY IN MEETING PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO THEY PRETTY MUCH FILLED IT OUT. THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. WE WANT YOU TO BUILD, YOU KNOW, STUFF THAT WORKS. UH, BUT WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY AND DIFFERENT OPTIONS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE'RE DOING IS THEY JUST WROTE IT DOWN IN THERE. I THOUGHT WAS THAT WAS INTERESTING. I MEAN, AT, AT THE MOMENT IS OUR PRESENT PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO SCARE AWAY ANY BUSINESSES FROM COMING TO TALK TO US. JUST MAKE FLAT OUT, OH, LAKE JACK'S REQUIRES THIS. I'M NOT EVEN GONNA GO LOOK THERE. I MEAN, THEY DON'T SHOW UP TO TALK TO US AND THEN WALK AWAY BECAUSE OF PARKING. 'CAUSE OF PARKING, RIGHT? NO, NO, NO, WE HAVE NOT. YEAH, I MEAN, THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS, BUT I THINK PROBABLY THE ONLY THING I CAN RECALL IS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE MAY HAVE SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO SQUEEZE IN FIVE MORE PARKING, UH, ON, ON THE ORDINANCE. YEAH. OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HERE AND THERE. THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY, I MEAN, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE SEEN IS THE FACT THAT BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ARE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS ARE, UH, DETENTION REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT EACH TO THE PROPERTY AND STILL THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE PARKING. THAT IS WHAT REALLY, I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH THEM, IS THE FACT THEY CANNOT, THEY STILL WANT THE PARKING AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE ANY, ANY OF THAT ONE TO THE TRAINING SITUATION. THAT'S WHEN THEY OBJECT TO THAT. YEAH. AGAIN, I THINK THE DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL WAS MORE OF, OF LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, DOES THE LESSENING OF A STANDARD ALLOW MORE FOR MORE REDEVELOPMENT IN SOME AREAS THAT MAY BE WHERE THE PARKING'S NOT BEING FULLY UTILIZED. IS THAT, BUT YOU KNOW, JUST TO HAVE THAT PROVISION, YOU KNOW, ARE IN THE FUTURE THAT ARE WE, ARE WE FLEXIBLE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, TO, YOU KNOW, TO DO THAT. IF SOMETHING, IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THE MALL SAID, WE WANT TO SELL AN OUT PARCEL FOR AN APARTMENT COMPLEX AND TWO RESTAURANTS, UH, AND STUFF AT THE BACK, YOU KNOW, OR REDEVELOP IT FOR FIVE RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, DO WE THINK THAT THAT'S DOABLE? EVEN THOUGH THE ORDINANCE SAID, NOPE, , YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE MEETING THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD. DO WE HAVE WORDING IN THERE NOW THAT ALLOWS THEM TO COME UP WITH THEIR OWN PARKING STUDY FOR US TO, UH, ANALYZE? NO, BUT WE HAVE USED THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE WALMART THE LAST TIME, THE WALMART THAT CAME IN HERE, I, WE'VE DONE IT. BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE THING THAT SAYS THAT THAT'S A GOOD OPTION TO HAVE? SO THE WAY OURS IS WORDED IS YOU GUYS GET TO DECIDE IF THEY CAN HAVE AN ALTERNATE AND OKAY, YOU'RE TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT TO THE GREEN SPACE WHILE CONSIDERING PARKING. SO IF THERE'S A REDUCTION IN GREEN IN PARKING TO GET MORE GREEN SPACE, THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AND VICE VERSA. UM, BUT YEAH, IT DOESN'T SAY THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE ANYTHING. IT JUST SAYS THAT THEY COME HERE FOR AN, UH, ALTERNATE, UH, SITE PLAN DESIGNATION AND YOU GUYS DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE WHAT HAPPENS. SO YOU GUYS KIND OF GET TO MAKE UP YOUR RULES, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO. UM, IT'S NOT REALLY IN WRITING AND YOU GUYS REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN PUTTING TOO HARSHER RULES ON ANYONE. SO, UM, AS FAR AS THAT GOES, WE'RE DOING GOOD. I THINK, UM, YEAH. ARE YOU TO A POINT WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE WORKING WITH YOU ON IT? IT'S, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. I MEAN, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION IS DO YOU GUYS WANT TO REVIEW OUR REQUIREMENTS AND SEE IF THEY SHOULD BE REDUCED? IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF HOMEWORK AND, AND HONESTLY, WHEN I STARTED LOOKING INTO WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR WALMARTS AND, AND LOWE'S AND WHATEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE A SET REQUIREMENT EITHER. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO TO, TO WALMART, . I THINK WHEN, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS AND EDDIE STARTED RESEARCHING, I WAS HOPING, BECAUSE WE HAD JUST HEARD, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL, A COUPLE OF THE BIG CITIES LOOK AT IT AND AUSTIN BEING ONE'S LIKE, OKAY, IS IT A TREND [01:05:01] THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO AND ARE OTHER CITIES DOING IT BESIDES JUST A COUPLE? AND IT CLEARLY SHOWS THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A LOT OF THE CITIES OUR SIZE, YOU KNOW, CHANGING THEIR, THEIR PARK, THEIR PARKING ORDINANCES, AND MAYBE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ALLOWS THE PLANNING COMMISSION ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY ALREADY. IF WE'RE GOOD WHERE WE ARE, THAT'S GREAT. BUT ALSO SOME OF THOSE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, EDDIE, ABOUT THE GEORGETOWN AND THE GREEN SPACE STUFF, IF WE WANTED TO, I THINK IT NEVER HURTS TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW CONCEPT, LOOK AT IT, STUDY AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BRING IN JUST TO, IT NEVER HURTS TO, TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND IF IT IS IN THERE SOMEWHERE ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF THEY'RE DOING THEIR OWN PARKING. SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM A CLUE THAT MAYBE THEY OUGHT TO GO DO THAT AND BRING IT TO US. YOU KNOW, AL WANTS TO DO THE VALET PARKING. LET ME FIND OUT. YOU GOT A VALET COMPANY WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT . LET FIND OUT. I'M ABOUT TO BE ON COUNCIL. I'LL FIND OUT. WE'RE SAYING VALE. OH, VALE. OH, OH. IT'S LIKE NO ONE WANTS TO DRIVE HIS PICKUP. . WHAT ABOUT WHEN A BUSINESS SELLS OUT TO ANOTHER BUSINESS? SO YOU GOT THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UH, PARCEL OF REQUIREMENT. THAT'S OUR DILEMMA. UH, DO WE GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PARKING AGAIN? YES. THE ONLY PLACE I KNOW WHERE WE DID WAS, UH, DOWN AT SAFEWAY WHERE YOU WERE CUTTING THAT BUILDING IN. BUT IF IT'S THE SAME SQUARE FOOTAGE, DO WE GET A DEAD SHOT AT WELL, THE USE, THE USE ITSELF CHANGES IF THE USE CHANGES. YES. YEAH. SO IF THE USE CHANGES, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE ISSUES WITH OUR, OUR MULTI-USE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. IT DOESN'T IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF THEY ADD ANOTHER RESTAURANT IN THE SHOPPING CENTER, WE WON'T GO BACK AND RECALCULATE. IT'S BASICALLY MIXED USE AND THESE ARE THE TOTAL SPACES. AND UH, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, IT COULD BE A PROBLEM. IT HASN'T BEEN YET. I MEAN, THERE, THERE IS A SHOPPING CENTER OVER ON OYSTER CREEK DRIVE THAT STAYS PACKED ALL THE TIME. IT'S GOT THREE SMALL, THREE FOUR SMALLER RESTAURANTS IN IT. UM, BUT IT'S UNDERSIZED FOR, FOR A REGULAR SHOPPING CENTER. IT CAME IN BEFORE WE HAD THOSE REGULATIONS ANYWAYS. UH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, IF THE MALL DECIDED TO GET ANOTHER SIX OR SEVEN RESTAURANTS IN THERE, MAYBE WE WOULD BE USING MORE PARKING. UM, BUT WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW. SO WE JUST KIND OF HAVE THAT GENERAL REQUIREMENT FOR MIXED USE. SO ONE OF, ONE OF THE LAST THINGS I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WAS THIS US NEWS BEST 40. THERE ARE SOME NUMBERS IN THIS COLUMN. THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE RANKINGS FOR THESE CITIES IN TEXAS AS FAR AS, UH, WHAT MOST POPULAR, UH, WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE OF ALL OF THESE. UH, GEORGETOWN HAS THESE RESTRICTED, THE VALETS, THE SHARED PARKING. THEY HAVE A REVIEW BY DIRECTOR FOR ALTERNATES INSTEAD OF COMING TO A PLANNING COMMISSION. UM, THEY'RE RANKED 36 AND TEMPLE, UH, TEMPLE IS, WHERE ARE WE? RIGHT THERE, NUMBER ONE 11. THEY'RE RANKED 29. UM, AND THEY HAVE THAT KIND OF BLANKET PARKING REQUIREMENT. ALL THE REST OF THEM IN THE TOP 40. THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ALL ON HERE BECAUSE SOME OF THEM ARE LARGER CITIES, BUT ALL THE ONES THAT ARE ON HERE, THEY'VE GOT THE SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE. THEY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING DIFFERENT. SO APPARENTLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT DESIRABLE FOR THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS. DO WE HAVE INTEREST ON THE BOARD TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO LOOK AT THIS OR NOT? I CAN'T ASK ME. I'M SORRY. . , IT'S, I, I, I LIKE WHAT WE HAVE AND THEY CAN, AND IF WE JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT, AND WE'RE REALLY CONSERVATIVE WITH OUR PARKING, BUT WE'VE KIND OF GOT A, A LIBERAL HAND AND, AND WE TEND TO GO WITH, WITH WHAT THEY ASK FOR AND THEY, BECAUSE THEY GIVE REASONING BEHIND IT. BUT IF WE, WITH EVERYTHING THAT Y'ALL HAVE LOOKED AT, IF WE JUST PUT THAT IN Y'ALL'S TOOLBOX AND WHEN PEOPLE COME AND DO THEIR TALKING TO YOU AND YOU EXPLAIN, HEY, OUR PARKING IS TOUGH, BUT HERE'S SOME IDEAS THAT YOU CAN, YOU CAN THROW OUT THERE AT THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONING IF YOU CARE TO SEEK A SPECIAL USE AND REDUCE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. IF YOU CAN GIVE US OF ALL THESE, UH, OPINION AND ALL THESE THAT EDDIE HAS PUT OUT THERE, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT, UH, PICKS YOUR INTEREST AND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO INCLUDE AS PART OF THE VERBIAGE INTO THE ORDINANCE AS FAR AS THESE ARE METHODS [01:10:01] THAT, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS WILLING TO ENTERTAIN. I LIKE THE GEORGETOWN STUFF AND I LIKE THE GREEN SPACE STUFF. SO IF YOU, IF YOU GIVE US A LIST AND SAY, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER PUTTING THIS ONE IN THERE AS A TOOL. LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S INTERESTING IN OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH CHAPEL WOOD, I THINK THE NUMBER REQUIRED SPOTS WITH 120 AND THEY'RE PUTTING IN LIKE 180 AND NO ONE SAYS WE SHOULDN'T PUT ALL THAT EXTRA CONCRETE THERE. I I, AS A MEMBER THERE, I WOULD'VE THINKING, I DON'T WANNA SPEND THE MONEY FOR THAT EXTRA CONCRETE, BUT DISCUSSION NEVER CAME UP. YEAH. SO THERE, THERE WAS ONE CITY I GOT, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. ONE OF THE RED CITIES, UH, MANSFIELD, 77,000. THEY DON'T HAVE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THEY HAVE MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENTS. THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S THE, THE ONLY ONE. IT'S AN ODDBALL, BUT WELL WE DO IN A AWAY BECAUSE OF THE DE THE LANDSCAPING IS WHAT STOPS ALL OF THAT. AND DETENTION. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE WE HAVE A PROBLEM. OKAY. IN MY OPINION. EDDIE, DO YOU MIND KEEP DIGGING AND IF YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT JUST REALLY STANDS OUT, BRING IT BACK TO YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER UPDATE AT THE NEXT MEETING. WE CAN, WE CAN, UH, REVIEW IT AGAIN, SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING. I WILL GET YOU A LIST OF THESE REQUIREMENTS, THESE ALTERNATES, AND SEE IF YOU WANT TO PUT ANY OF THEM INTO OUR, THAT YOU SEEM TO BE HAVING. COOL. SOUNDS PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR DOING ALL THAT. LOT OF WORK. AND DON'T THROW IT AWAY. . NO, THIS, IT'S GONNA COME BACK UP AGAIN. THIS, THIS SPREADSHEET IS ALIVE. IF YOU GUYS WANT IT, ANNA CAN AND EMAIL IT TO YOU. IT HAS ALL THE LINKS TO ALL THE MUNI CODES FOR ALL THESE CITIES. THEY CAN TAKE YOU CLOSE TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE AND THEN YOU CAN LOOK FOR YOURSELF AND READ THROUGH IT. THERE'S, I MEAN, I TOOK SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OUT, BUT THERE IS A LOT TO THEM ON THE, THERE'S A LOT. COOL. WELL THANK YOU EDDIE. NEXT ITEM IS YOUR SHOW. NO, HANG UP AGAIN. UH, [5. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST FOR A CONEX CONTAINER BOX PLACEMENT AS A CONDITIONAL USE ACCESSORY BUILDING IN A B-2 CENTRAL BUSINESS ZONE AT TOM’S PAWN SHOP AT 105 OYSTER CREEK DRIVE. (Part 2 of 2)] WELL WAIT, YOU WANNA GO BACK? OH YEAH, THE C ONE STUFF. GO BACK. DID YOU FIND THAT C ONE? SO C ONE IT SAYS ACCESSORY BUILDINGS. ANY CUSTOMARY BUILDING THAT IS INCIDENTAL TO THE BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE, THE EXTERIOR OF THE ACCESSORY BUILDING WILL BE CONSISTENT AND APPEARANCE WITH THE EXTERIOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO IT'S ALMOST THE SAME THING AS THE, WHAT WAS THE PART ABOUT INTERIOR? A CUSTOMARY BUILDING THAT IS INCIDENTAL TO THE BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. IN THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. YEAH. PRIMARY, IT'S, IT'S THE END, BUT I SHOULD SAY TWO, IT'S THE BUSINESS EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING WOULD BE CONSISTENT IN APPEARANCE WITH THE EXTERIOR OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE. SO YEAH, WE'RE BACK TO THE SAME QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S ABOUT ALL THE METAL, UM, BUT IT APPEARS, APPEARANCE SEEMS LIKE TO ME COULD INCLUDE THE ROOF LINE, THE ARCHITECTURE RATHER THAN JUST THE COLOR. THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IN THIS ONE VERSUS THE B ONE. THE B TWO. YEAH, I'M SORRY, THE B TWO. THE B TWO SAYS MATERIALS MUST BE SIMILAR TO THE PRINCIPLE BUILDING. AND THE C ONE SAYS EXTERIOR CONSISTENT IN APPEARANCE WITH PRIMARY STRUCTURE. DOES IT SAY CONDITIONAL IN THE C ONE? THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. YES. WELL ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T, NO, IT'S NOT CONDITIONAL EITHER. IT'S JUST REQUIRED. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE HE MEETS THAT EVEN CLOSER THAN THE V TWO I I THINK THE REASON WHY WE BROUGHT THIS TO YOU IS JUST THE MATERIAL QUESTION. IT WASN'T THAT IT HAS TO COME THE PLANNING COMMISSION, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST HOW DO YOU INTERPRET BEFORE WE MADE IT A RISKY CHANCE TO YOU, DO YOU INTERPRET IT AS THAT THIS METAL BUILDING MATCHES THEIR METAL BUILDING? I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT BEATS ALL THAT. NOW, IF WE WANT TO BAN CONEX BOXES, WE NEED TO REVISIT OUR RULES OF ACCEPTABLE STRUCTURES SINCE THERE ARE AGENDA ITEMS IS A B TWO CENTRAL BUSINESS AND ISN'T THAT WRONG? IS A B ONE. SO IS OUR AGENDA ITEM ON COVERAGE? CORRECT? YEAH, CORRECT. UH, I GUESS WE MADE THAT MISTAKE. SO THINKING THAT WE WERE DOWN, DOWN AND THE FORCE IN D TWO, SO YES, THE, THIS, IT IS INCORRECT, SO YOU MAY WANT TO, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, I WOULD GUESS. YEAH, YOU MAY WANT TO JUST WAIT ON THIS THING AND WE BRING IT UP YET. NEXT TIME IS A C1 AND GO THROUGH . I WOULD INVITE, I I STILL HAVE THE LINGERING QUESTION THAT MR. SANDERS ASKED. YES, UHHUH, CAN WE REGULATE THE OCCURRENCE? BECAUSE THAT'S [01:15:01] WHAT IT SAYS. AND IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE. IT, IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE. IT'S AN ACCESSORY USE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY REQUIRES, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN WE REGULATE? DO WE NEED CHEER? YEAH. SO I THINK WE'D LIKE TO BRING IT BACK AND LEAST YEAH. THEN THAT WOULD BE A, IN THAT CASE, THAT ONE WOULD BE A MATTER OF BUILDING ENVIRONMENT. YEAH. TAKING ALL THE FUN AWAY FROM MY LAST MEETING. GOLLY. YEAH. SO WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO SHERRY AND, AND VERIFY THE MATERIALS WHETHER WE CAN DO IT OR NOT. BUT THEN IT'S NOT CONDITIONAL USE IN THE C ONE ANYWAY, SO IT WON'T COME BACK HERE. NO, THAT'S RIGHT. WE'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. WE HADN'T HAD A CHANCE TO MAKE A MOTION ON A SINGLE PLANE. YEAH. KILLING ME. DARN. WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE LAST SO LONG EITHER. I GUESS. I, I GUESS I WON'T GET TO. YOU CAN MOVE THAT. WE ADJOURN . ALRIGHT, [7. UPDATE ON APPROVED PROJECTS BY PLANNERS] SO WE READY FOR THE EDDIE SHOW? YEAH. YEAH. SO, UH, OH. I MEAN, NOT A LOT HAS CHANGED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOTTEN INTO THE WATER, BUT EVERY PROJECT IN THE CITY IS GOING HAYWIRE AND NOTHING IS GETTING DONE ANYWHERE. UM, AND THESE AREN'T ANY EXCEPTION. EVERYTHING HAS SLOWED DOWN. THERE'S VERY LITTLE WORK GOING ON. UM, YOU SEE GUYS OUT THERE TWO OR THREE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK AND THEY'RE HUSTLING AND TRYING TO GET THINGS DONE AND THEN THEY JUST DISAPPEAR AND IT MAKES YOU WONDER WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE. BUT THERE'S NOBODY TO ASK . YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE? HOW'S MY FAVORITE SEVEN YEAR APARTMENT COMPLEX? YEAH. SO, UM, THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS DISCUSSING WITH THEM, UH, THE EXPIRATION OF THEIR PERMITS. MM-HMM . MM-HMM THEY HAVE ONLY ASKED FOR PERMITTING OR INSPECTIONS ON ONE BUILDING ON THE SITE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. SO IT IS TIME FOR US TO START, UH, PULLING PERMITS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL OF THESE THINGS WERE PERMITTED A LONG TIME AGO. UH, BUILDING CODES HAVE CHANGED SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT TO PLAY BALL. THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO FIGHT IT AND WE KNOW THAT. UM, BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE, ARE BEING HAD NOW. SO WE'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES. BUT YEAH, IN THAT GREEN SPACE, THEY JUST LET IT GROW BACK IN. WILD. THEY DIDN'T PUT ANYTHING INTO IT THAT THEY SAID THAT THEY WOULD. WELL, THEY PUT IT, THEY PLANTED EVERYTHING. THEY JUST LET IT OVERGROW. THEY WERE TOLD TO PLANT IT AND LEAVE IT ALONE AWAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. AND YEAH, IT DOESN'T LOOK VERY PRETTY, BUT I MEAN THAT'S WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FROM THE START. IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE PRETTY TO A GREEN BUFFALO. THAT SUPPOSED TO BE YEAH. NATIVE. YEAH. IT DOES NOT LOOK NICE FROM THE, FROM THE STREET THERE. BUT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET DIDN'T EITHER UNTIL THEY CLEARED IT OFF. THEY CLEARED IT OUT. YEAH. YEAH. I CAN'T WAIT TO APPROACH THIS WHILE BEING ON COUNCIL. IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING. . I'VE ALREADY LOOKED AT THE CASE LAW. IT'S GONNA BE FUN. THAT'S THE SECOND TIME THEY'VE DONE THAT. YEP, THEY DID IT. THEY UN SNEAKILY WHEN THEY BUILT THE APARTMENTS. MM-HMM . YEP. WHAT'S THE STATUS ON THE, AN BOTH ANIMAL SHELTER THINGS? SO WE FINALLY GOT EVERYTHING IRON OUT WITH THE WINDSTORM ENGINEER. HE HAS APPROVED PLANS. THE ARCHITECT HAS APPROVED HIS APPROVED PLANS. THE CONTRACTOR NOW HAS THE PLANS AND THE CONTRACTOR STARTED MOVING AGAIN. UM, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT MATERIAL LOOKS CHEAP AND, AND, AND CRAZY AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT WHEN YOU WALK INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING, THE TEMPERATURE DROPS 10 DEGREES IN THAT SHADE. WOW. IT'S GOT A LOT OF INSULATION INSIDE OF IT WITH THE DOORS OPEN AND THE WALL'S INCOMPLETE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IT'S JUST, IT'S SOMETHING ELSE. UM, BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT'LL BE GOOD FOR THE, FOR THE ANIMALS THAT ARE IN THERE. UM, THEY ARE MOVING, THEY'RE PUTTING THE ROOF ON. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IN SOME WINDOWS. THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO GET SOME METAL SHEATHING ON THE WALLS SO THAT THE WINDSTORM INSPECTOR CAN COME UP FROM SAN ANTONIO, DO AN INSPECTION AND APPROVE ALL OF THOSE INSTALLATION METHODS. AND THESE GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND WRAP IT UP AND HE CAN COME BACK AND JUST DO THE FINAL INSPECTION ONCE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING CLOSED IN. IT WILL HOPEFULLY HELP MOVE THIS PROJECT ALONG AROUND A LOT FA FASTER AND UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET EVERYTHING WRAPPED UP QUICKER. AND THAT'S THE CITY ONE? THAT'S THE CITY ONE. THE SPCA ONE HAS NOT MOVED. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S A BUNCH OF BRICKS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE. THOSE ARE THE SPECIAL ORDER BRICK THAT THEY ORDERED. CINDER BLOCK FOR THOSE. THEY'VE GOT A BUILDING WITH A ROOF AND THEN CINDER BLOCK WALLS WRAPPING AROUND THAT ROOF. UH, THE ROOF IS IN PLACE. EVERYTHING IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND EVERYTHING ON THAT ROOF. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, STANDALONE WINDSTORM, UH, BUILDING, UH, THE ROOF STRUCTURE. SO THE, THE CINDER BLOCK IS BASICALLY TO KEEP THE ANIMALS IN AND KEEP THE WEATHER OUT. SO THEY'RE AT A POINT WHERE THEY NEED TO FIND THE MONEY TO FINISH OUT THE CINDER BLOCK WALLS TO AT LEAST ENCLOSE IT. UM, BUT I MEAN THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF THERE IN THE SAME SITUATION. WE ARE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. UH, WE JUST FOUND [01:20:01] OURS A LITTLE BIT FASTER, SO HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET MOVING ON IT SOON. ANYTHING ELSE FOR EDDIE? NO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU EDDIE. YES SIR. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOCUMENTS TO SIGN, DO WE OR DO WE? NO SIR. NOTHING. NO. [9. SET NEXT MEETING DATE] NEXT MEETING TIME. YEAH, ON TUESDAY, JUNE THE SECOND. I DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE UNLESS I GET MADE THE LIAISON THEN YOU BOYS ARE REALLY IN FOR IT. I'M NOT GONNA BE COMMAND DOCILE LIKE THIS YOUNG FINE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE IN THE CORNER. , DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? TO ADJOURN? I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO EMOTION. IT'S BEEN SO LONG. I SECOND . SHE N IT. I'M SORRY DAD. I VOTED FOR YOU THOUGH. THANKS BABE. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. IT WAS A FUN SIX YEARS GUYS. IT REALLY WAS. I APPRECIATE ALL THE EDUCATION, ALL THE GOOD TIMES AND UNDERSTANDING OF HOW IT ALL WORKS BETTER. I OWE YOU GUYS QUITE A BIT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.