* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:04] LIBERTY [Planning Commission on July 7, 2026.] JUSTICE. THANK YOU. HEARING. ALRIGHT, NEXT THING. WE GOT A COUPLE NEW MEMBERS TO, UH, SWEAR IN. YEAH. SO I HAVE TWO OPTIONS. DO YOU WANNA DO IT TOGETHER OR DO YOU WANNA DO 'EM SEPARATELY? TOGETHER? OKAY. SO I'M GONNA START OF THREE. 1, 2, 3. I THINK ANY DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WOULD FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES? THE OFFICE OF PLANNING COMMISSION, CITY OF LAKE JACKSON. AS THE STATE OF TEXAS WILL DO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, PRESERVE, PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION OF LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THIS STATE WILL HELP GOD. AND THEN GO AHEAD AND SIGN UP FOR ME. TURN IT IN TOWARDS THE END OF THE MEETING. YOU'RE OFFICIALLY MEMBERS IN THE YEARS WHERE THE TROUBLE STARTS. IN THE PAGE. OUR NEXT ITEM IS REORGANIZE THE BOARD. ANNIE, YOU WANNA LEAD US IN THAT ONE? UM, DID WE SELECT LOCKER THE CHAIR? SECOND. A SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR A. AYE, Y'ALL. ALRIGHT, SO WE NEED A SECRETARY. WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE SECRETARY? KATIE. HADN'T BEEN SECRETARY, HAVE YOU? I'VE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT. VICE, BUT UM, I'LL BE SECRETARY BUT WE'LL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WRITE FOR TWO YEARS, BUT I CAN OPERATE A COMPUTER. COOL. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU'RE SECRETARY. OH BOY. OKAY. YOU NEED A VICE CHAIR? WHO HASN'T BEEN, HAVE YOU BEEN? WHERE WERE YOU LAST TIME? NOTHING. LAST CHAIR. . THAT'S HOW IT WORKS HERE. YOU DO. WE GET A ROLL OUT HERE. , YOU'RE INVITED TO ALWAYS COME TO OUR MEETINGS, THAT'S FOR SURE. CORRECT. ALRIGHT. APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES? MM-HMM . YES. ANY CHANGES OR MINUTES ARE APPROVED AS WRITTEN ELSE TO SIGN FOR YOU? UM, I'LL MAKE IT . IT'S GOOD, RIGHT? IT JUST WON'T BE PRETTY. ALRIGHT. UM, GENERAL RULES OF ROAD VISITORS COMMENTS. ANYBODY HAS SOMETHING TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME UP. COME UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS VISITORS' COMMENTS ARE HAVE SOMETHING SAY RIGHT NOW. THAT'S ALL AGENDA. WE CAN TALK, WE CAN LISTEN TO YOU, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT. ALRIGHT. NEXT ITEM IS PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ONLY ON A PROPOSED SITE AND LANDSCAPE. YOU GOT, OH, SORRY, I DIDN'T SEE YOU OVER THERE. MAYOR . HI. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. GOOD EVENING. UM, I WAS COMING TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO YOU GUYS, BUT, UH, I, I KNOW YOU ALL. SO, UH, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO DO TONIGHT IS JUST TAKE A MINUTE TO SAY THANK YOU. UM, I'VE SAT BEHIND THE DESK FOR LONG ENOUGH NOW THAT I REALIZE THAT SOMETIMES THIS IS A THANKLESS JOB. UH, IT TAKES A LOT OF PREPARATION TO BE READY TO MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS THAT REALLY KIND SHAPED THE WAY OUR CITY GOES. AND I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR, FOR BEING WILLING TO STEP UP AND TO SERVE ON THIS COMMISSION. SO, AND IF Y'ALL EVER NEED ANYTHING FROM ME OR FROM THE COUNCIL, UM, MR. JB BAKER IS GONNA BE YOUR LIAISON AND YOU CAN ALWAYS CONTACT ME OR HIM AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING WE CAN. SO, YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB FOR A LONG TIME AND YOU'RE APPRECIATED. THANK YOU MAYOR ETH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, FIRST ITEM, A PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK ONLY ON A PROPOSED SITE AND LANDSCAPE PLAN. AMENDMENT TO LOT RESERVE H OF LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER AT TWO 20. GRAPEVINE TURN PREVIOUSLY YANK TIRE SERVICE SHOP FOR THE REPURPOSING OF IT. KELSEY SIEBOLD MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC. HELLO. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UM, SO WE'RE JUST HERE TO KIND OF DISCUSS THE KELSEY SIEBOLD, OH, SORRY. NAME AND ADDRESS. MY FAULT. UM, FAITH BUTTS. I AM, UH, WITH DUNAWAY ASSOCIATES. UH, WE'RE AT 3,200 WILCREST, UM, IN HOUSTON, TEXAS. UH, STUART, SENIOR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS CLINIC. [00:05:05] THANK YOU. SORRY. UM, SORRY. YEAH, SO WE JUST WANNA DISCUSS CONVERTING THE EXISTING, UM, QUICK LANE INTO A KELSEY SIEBEL CLINIC AND, UH, THE COMPLICATIONS THAT THAT HAS KIND OF BROUGHT UP. UM, SO THE EXISTING, UH, DEVELOPMENT, UM, ONLY REQUIRES ABOUT FOUR PARKING SPACES PER SQUARE FOOT, UH, PER 1000 SQUARE FEET. BUT THIS DEVELOPMENT PER YOUR GUYS' CRITERIA, REQUIRES FIVE. UM, SO WE ARE, ACCORDING TO THE CRITERIA WE ARE UNDER PARKED, UM, BUT WE WANNA KIND OF BRING UP, UM, SOME DATA KIND OF SHOWING FROM OTHER KELSEY SEA BOLTS THAT, UM, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT MEETING THIS KELSEY SEA, UH, SORRY, YOUR GUYS' CRITERIA FOR THE FIVE SPACES THAT IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR KELSEY SIEBEL'S NEEDS. UM, SO KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT FIRST SITE PLAN, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO PROPOSE. UH, SORRY, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH JUST KEEPS EVERYTHING AS IS. WE KEEP ALL THE SPACES AS THEY ARE. WE'RE JUST MOVING ONE OF THE A DA SPACES OVER AND ADDING SOME CURBS, UM, IN A DROP OFF ZONE TO, UM, HELP SUPPORT THE CLINIC. UM, NEXT PAGE, PLEASE. UH, SO THIS IS ONE OF THE SITES, THIS IS THE FAIRFIELD SITE. UM, IT'S OF A SIMILAR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, WILL SERVE A SIMILAR TYPE OF PURPOSE. UM, AND IT DOES HAVE A LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE. UM, BUT THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, WITH THEIR PARKING SPACE COUNT, THEY'RE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR FACILITIES WORK REALLY WELL. UM, AND SO THIS WAS KIND OF OUR FIRST SITE EXAMPLE AND THIS ONE'S RIGHT UP. YEAH. AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. UM, THIS ONE ALSO, IT'S MEETING THAT SIMILAR RATIO ABOUT 4,000 WEEKS TO THESE REQUIREMENT ACTUALLY. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HITTING ON. YEAH, SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT, UNLIKE BUSINESSES WHERE YOU HAVE THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND PATRONS COMING IN, WE SPREAD OUR PATIENTS OUT, YOU KNOW, FROM REALLY SEVEN 30 TO TO FIVE 30. SO WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF SPREAD ALL OF OUR PATIENTS OUT THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY. AND THAT JUST, ACTUALLY, IT HELPS US AND IT HELPS OUR PATIENTS AS WELL. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY GONNA, WE'RE GONNA MOVE IN WITH FOUR, FIVE IS ABOUT 60 STAFF, AND THAT'S REALLY OVERSTAFFED TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND THE REASON WE'RE OVERSTAFFED RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS AND WE WANNA MOVE INTO ONE BUILDING, AND THAT ALLOWS US TO BE A LOT MORE EFFICIENT. YOU IN THE FUTURE. I'M SOMETIMES DOWN THERE. I WORKED IN THE MEDICAL CENTER, I GREW UP DOWN HERE, UH, AND I'M MOVED BACK DOWN HERE A FEW YEARS AGO. AND, UH, SO I SOMETIMES OFFICE HERE, YOU KNOW, AS WELL. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TWO SITES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED ALWAYS ALSO MANAGE, AND WE'VE NEVER HAD ANY PARKING ISSUES WITH THE RATIO. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF THAT'S BECAUSE WE SPACE, OUR, OUR PATIENTS OUT WHERE WE DO HAVE A BOLUS SOMETIMES IS IN THE VERY EARLY MORNING, SOME LAB ONLY PATIENTS THROUGH THE NIGHT, THEY WANT TO COME IN AND GET THEIR LABS AND DON'T REALLY PROFICIENT AT GETTING THOSE PATIENTS IN AND OUT. SO THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, AT PEAK TIMES, OUR TOTAL VEHICLES AT PEAK ARE, IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT AROUND 30. IT, IT, IT COULD BE A LOT LESS. UH, BUT I DON'T SEE IT EVER GETTING MUCH MORE THAN 35 TO 30. I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE SERVICES THAT YOU'RE OFFERING AT THIS PLACE? YES. SO THIS IS A BASIC PRIMARY CARE, UH, FACILITY OF OURS. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KELSEY. UM, ABOUT 46 LOCATIONS, FOUR, SEVEN LOCATIONS, UH, IN AND AROUND THE GREATER THE, UM, WHAT ARE THE SERVICES? DO YOU HAVE MULTIPLE PHYSICIANS OR? YEAH, SO THIS IS A BASIC PRIMARY CARE SITE. SO WE'LL HAVE ADULT MEDICINE, WE'LL HAVE INTERNIST AND FAMILY MEDICINE PROVIDER. WE'RE GONNA HAVE LAB. SO WE'LL HAVE A, A LAB BASIC, JUST A VERY SMALL LAB. AND WE'LL HAVE BASIC IMAGING, LYMPH SITES. PATIENTS WILL BE ABLE TO COME IN AND GET MOST OF THEIR SERVICES ALL INTO ONE ROW. AND THEY NEED LESS STRONG, THEY CAN GET THAT IF THEY NEED A MUSIC STUDY, THEY CAN NEED ANYTHING MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN BASIC IMAGING. TYPICALLY, WE SEND PATIENTS TO THE HOSPITAL PROVIDERS IN THE LAKE JACKSON AREA. IF SOMEBODY NEEDS TO SEE AN ENT PHYSICIAN, WE SEND 'EM TO A LOCAL ENT, DOCTOR, LAKE JACKSON, OR GI OR WHATEVER SERVICE THEY NEED BEYOND. SO THIS IS A BASIC PRIMARY CARE SITE. AS YOU DO KNOW, WE HAVE THE TWO ACRES THAT IS, THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE, UH, THE CURRENT LOCATION THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO EXPAND, UH, IN THE FUTURE AS THE CLINIC CONTINUES TO GROW. WE DO, WE DO [00:10:01] INTEND TO GROW. UH, THIS IS IN A VERY GOOD LOCATION FOR US AT ONE SPOT IN MY HEART, YOU KNOW, BEING FROM THE CLEVELAND JACKSON, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE NOW FOR ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. PLAN TO BE HERE FOR FOREVER. WHERE ARE YOU CURRENTLY AT? ARE YOU CURRENTLY AT OH OH 2, 0 1 THIS WAY? AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT ON, WHAT IS IT CIRCLE WAY I SHOULD KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BUILDINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE OLD DR. WAS? MM-HMM . UH, RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE BUILDING BEHIND THERE I THINK WAS, WE HAVE THOSE TWO LOCATIONS. THOSE MOVED HERE. YES. THOSE, THOSE WOULD BECOME VACANT OVER HERE. HOW MANY PHYSICIANS, HOW MANY PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE ARE LEADING THIS AT THAT SITE? SO WE HAVE FOUR PROVIDERS AT THAT SITE. EVERYBODY'S MOVING FROM THOSE TWO SITES TO THIS. SO HOW MANY ARE OTHER? THERE'S FOUR PROVIDERS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TWO PHYSICIANS AND TWO WE CALL, UH, APCS, WHICH ARE PAS OR THE MID-LEVEL PROVIDERS. SO FOUR PROVIDERS, AND THEN THE 16TH STAFF. SO THIS INCLUDES THAT STAFF INCLUDES A PHLEBOTOMIST AND A RADIOLOGY TECHNICIAN. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE LIKE THAT AS WE DON'T CURRENTLY PROVIDE THE IMAGING SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENT LOCATION. IT'S JUST NOT LARGE ENOUGH. SO THIS, THIS ALLOWS US TO BRING THAT ALL UNDER ONE ROOF AND PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES IN HOUSE TO TRAVEL. UH, THE MORE THINGS YOU HAVE IN HOUSE, THE MORE SERVICE YOU TYPICALLY GET, YOU'LL GET SERVICE. THIS IS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? WHAT'S THAT? YES SIR. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. YES SIR. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. THAT'S OUR CURRENT HOURS. KEEP THOSE. WE ALWAYS DO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. ALL OF OUR SITES, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, KEEP SOME SITES OPEN ON THE WEEKEND FOR A PARTICULAR SITE. NEED VIRTUAL MEDICINE UNTIL 10:00 PM EVERY NIGHT. AND THIS, THIS SITE, AS WE'VE SAID, WILL ONLY REQUIRE 35 SPACES AT PEAK HOUR. THAT INCLUDES THE STAFF. UM, AND AS THEY KIND OF EXPAND OUT, THEY WILL ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING AS NEEDED FOR ANY FUTURE EXPANSIONS. UM, IT'S JUST AT THIS TIME WE'RE SEEING WITH THE USE FROM THIS CLINIC WOULD ONLY REQUIRE THAT FOUR PER 1000 SQUARE FEET, UM, INSTEAD OF, UH, AS YOUR CRITERIA REQUIRES THE FIVE. SO WE KIND OF JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, WHAT, UM, LOOKING AT THIS, SEEING THESE PARKING NUMBERS, IF YOU GUYS WOULD BE OPEN TO APPROVING A FUTURE VARIANCE FOR PARKING. UM, THAT WAS KIND OF WHERE WE WANTED TO GO TODAY WITH THIS CONVERSATION. SO YOU'RE PURCHASING THE LOCK BEHIND YOU AS WELL? YES, WE HAVE. AND WE WERE BEHIND AND WE DO PLAN TO REPL, SO THIS WILL ALL BECOME ONE LOT. UM, SO THERE WILL BE NO JUST KIND OF EMPTY LOTS ON ONE SIDE OR A DISCONNECTED BUILDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY BEING RE PLATTED INTO THAT ONE BIG LOT. SO AS YOU GROW, IF YOU NEED PARKING SPOTS, SO YOU CAN ADD PARKING SPOTS ON THE OTHER SIDE IF NEEDED. THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER PLACES I SEE YOU HAVE SOME CROSS PARKING THAT PEOPLE CAN GO ACROSS. AND THIS LOCATION YOU'LL BE CROSSING THE GRAPE MINE TURN, WHICH IS PRETTY BUSY STREET. SO THAT'S, WE DON'T TEND TO, YOU KNOW, THAT BE A NEED AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE EXPAND, THEN WE WOULD DEFINITELY OPEN UP A LOT MORE PARKING ON THE, UH, THE EXPANSION. WE WANT TO EXPAND BEFORE WE HAVE THAT NEED TOO. GOOD TO PREPLAN YOU MOTTO IS HAVE EVERYTHING IN ONE LOCATION SO THAT YOU'RE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT THAT WAY. I MEAN, CITY HALL AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS LOCATED RIGHT HERE. IT'S MUCH MORE EFFICIENT. MOVE AROUND AND GET AROUND. AND IT, IT'S THE SAME WAY IN OUR BUSINESS AS WELL. WHEN YOU HAVE DOCTOR SERVICES AND OTHER CLINICAL SUPPORT SERVICES ALL UNDER ONE ROOF AND ONE LOCATION, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S CHEAPER. YOU KNOW, IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE PATIENT, IT'S CHEAPER FOR US, IT'S CHEAPER FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANY. EVERYBODY WINS. YOU KNOW, PATIENTS CAN GET EVERYTHING. Y'ALL ARE AWARE IT'S ADJACENT TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL FACILITY BEING BUILT. WHAT'S THAT AGAIN? YOU'RE AWARE IT'S ADJACENT TO ANOTHER HOSPITAL. OKAY. MICRO HOSPITAL. WELL YOU SAY, SAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOUSTON, WE WORK WITH ALL THE, ALL THE HOSPITALS AROUND HERE. WE HAVE HOSPITALS IN PROBABLY, I MEAN PATIENTS IN PROBABLY 12 DIFFERENT HOSPITALS IN THE GREATER HOUSTON AREA RIGHT NOW. PROBABLY MORE. SO IT WASN'T A NEGATIVE OR A CONCERN, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF IT. YES, AND WE'RE NOT, AND NOW LEMME SAY THIS, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMPETITOR OR PARTNER AS MUCH AS WE'RE A COMPETITOR. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE OUTPATIENT BUSINESS WITH PRIMARY CARE. THEY'RE IN THE, THE THE MEDICAL HOSPITAL BUSINESS. THERE MIGHT BE A SYNERGISM THERE. YEAH. BUT THE GREAT THING IS IF WE NEED THOSE SERVICES RIGHT NEXT DOOR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD THING. I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED, UH, SINCE WE BEGAN FIRST SPEAKING OF THE PRIVATE HOSPITAL AND, [00:15:01] AND WHO THEIR, UH, FUTURE PATIENTS ARE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A SLIGHTLY USED HOSPITAL HERE. IT'S JUST DECLINING EVERY MONTH. AND I THINK THAT MY MOM WOULD BE SO HAPPY. UNFORTUNATELY SHE'S NOT HERE, BUT SHE WAS A KELSEY SEA OLD LADY. YEAH. SINCE LIKE, SHE WAS 60. AND SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. I'D RATHER HAVE THAT THAN THE LOOP JOB . AND WE, WE USE ST. LUKE'S EVERY DAY, UH, PATIENTS TESTING THAT WE DO NOT DO. SO IT'S A GREAT RESOURCE OF COURSE. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. UH, THIS ALSO INCLUDES LANDSCAPE. HAVE Y'ALL HAD ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? CORRECT? YES, IT DOES INCLUDE LANDSCAPING BECAUSE SINCE WE KIND OF CONVERT THIS INTO ONE BIG LOT, WE'RE ABLE TO INCLUDE KIND OF THE TREES FROM THAT EXISTING SITE, UM, WITHIN THAT DEVELOPMENT. UM, AS WE'VE KIND OF HEARD THIS SITE HAD, UH, SOME OF THE TREES DIED DURING THE FREEZE, DURING BARREL. UM, BUT THAT WILL BE COVERED BY THE TREES ON THAT EXISTING SITE OVER HERE ONCE WE REPL. UM, WE'RE ALSO OPEN TO KIND OF ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES AS NEEDED. UM, IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WANT, BUT WE SHOULD BE COVERED WITH THE EXISTING TREES TO MEET YOUR GUYS' ORDINANCE. OKAY, THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU HONOR. LEMME POLL. OKAY. YOUR THOUGHTS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. YOU'RE OKAY WITH A LITTLE BIT LESS PARKING? I AM. UNLESS WE ALL CONVENE TOGETHER AGAIN AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DO TWO MORE. THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR YOUR BUSINESS BECAUSE THAT WOULD MEAN IT'S BUSY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOUR BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, YOUR BUSINESS MODEL. SO THAT WORKS FOR YOU AT OTHER SITES. UH, FULLY WORK FOR YOU BECAUSE YOUR BUSINESS, IF PATIENTS ARE NOT HAPPY, CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY WITH YOU. SO I I I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. WE'VE HAD THAT PROBLEM BEFORE AND WE'LL NEVER HAVE IT AGAIN. I HOPE WE NEVER, EVER HAVE IT AGAIN. WE'RE I'M GOOD. YOUR OPINION? I'M, I'M OKAY. IT'S KIND OF HITS. WE'RE, WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT OUR PARKING ORDINANCE. THAT'S OUR, THAT'S ALL THIS WAS. AND Y'ALL ARE, UH, OPINIONS. WE'RE GOOD WITH Y'ALL ARE GOING. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM, ADMINISTRATIVE VIEW IN ACTION ON RELA BLOCK. ONE, ONE A TWO RELA NUMBER TWO BLOCK ONE A AT 1 0 4 AND 1 0 6 STANFORD ROAD. YOU USE STANFORD SUBDIVISION THAT A LITTLE FAST. . ALRIGHT, SO, UM, A REPL OF A, OF A LOT THAT CAME BEFORE YOU LAST TO GET A, UH, FACILITY EASEMENT ALTERED TO RELOCATE IT AROUND THE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. UH, SINCE THEN, THE GENTLEMAN THAT DID THAT REPL TO BUILD THE HOUSE ACTUALLY SOLD THE LOT TO ANOTHER GENTLEMAN WHO WANTS TO NOW SPLIT IT IN HALF. AND THE WAY THAT HE HAS SPLIT IT, IT DOES MEET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. AND SO IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE. HE JUST WANTS TO SPLIT IT IN HALF AND SELL OFF TWO LOTS AND DEVELOP TWO LOTS INSTEAD OF HAVING THE ONE LOT THAT HE STARTED WITH. NO ISSUES FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, NO ISSUES. THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. OKAY. NO. IS THERE A MAP TO SHOW WHERE THIS IS JUST OH YEAH. I AND STAFFORD ROAD IS NOT A PLANT OR A WAY . YOU GOT A QUESTION THAT EXISTS. IT'S, UH, IT'S RIGHT AT DIXIE THERE BEHIND THE HILL PHARMACY THAT GOT TORN DOWN. YOU KNOW, THE PHARMACY BUILDING RIGHT BEHIND, UH, THE HEB OLD HEB COMPLEX OTHER SCREEN. OH, OH, WELL THEY SWITCHED THE WHOLE TIME. IT'S IN YOUR PACKET, HARRY. PARDON? IT'S IN YOUR PACKET. ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY BACK. THE BIG PACKET. [00:20:04] IT'S IN THIS PACKET. YES. I WONDER WHAT YOU WERE DOING BY MYSELF. IT'S STANFORD SNOW CONE STAND STANDS. SO ALL FOUR LOTS WOULD COME ON TO STAFF. SAY THAT AGAIN. ALL FOUR LOTS WOULD COME ON TO STAFFORD. IT'S TWO. TWO, THERE'S ONE. OH, THERE YOU GO. OKAY. YEAH. ANYTHING? NO. GOOD. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? MOTION APPROVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE REPLAY OF LOT 1 8 2. NUMBER 2 8 1 0 4 AND 1 0 6 STAFFORD ROAD. UH, YOU USE STANFORD SUBDIVISION MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. SECOND. ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, HERE UP AGAIN. ANY DISCUSS AND CONSIDER PARKING VARIANCES OF OTHER CITIES AS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION FOR REASSESSMENT OF THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE ALTERNATIVE ALTERNATE SITE PLAN. YES, THAT IS ME AGAIN. UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT VARIANCE AND YOU GUYS WANTED ME TO GO BACK AND DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH AND, AND JUST BRING THE IDEAS BACK, UH, FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING THEM INTO THE ORDINANCE IN SOME FASHION. AND SO I WENT BACK AND, AND LOOKED AT THOSE CITIES THAT WE DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME AND, AND LOOK MORE INTO THEIR VARIANCES AND HOW THEY WORDED THEM, HOW THEY APPLY THEM. AND SO IT GOT MISSED ON YOUR PACKET, BUT I PRINTED OUT A THICK LITTLE STACK OF, OF PAPERS THERE, AND THOSE ARE THE HIGHLIGHTS. SO THEY'RE ALL NUMBERED UP FRONT THERE. UM, SO I'LL JUST GO THROUGH 'EM REAL QUICK. I MEAN, YOU GUYS CAN READ THROUGH 'EM. ALL THE STUFF IN THE BACK IS JUST, UH, THEY'RE EXCERPTS FROM THE ACTUAL ORDINANCES FOR THOSE CITIES. THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTED THERE TO KIND OF SHOW YOU WHAT, WHY I GAVE YOU THAT EXCERPT. LIKE, UH, THE BIG ONE HERE IS PARKING STUDIES. MOST OF THE CITIES ALLOW SOME TYPE OF PARKING STUDY TO JUSTIFY THE REDUCTION IN, IN PARKING SPACES. AND SO I THINK, UH, THIS IS GEORGETOWN, IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THERE PARKING STUDY SO THAT YOU CAN KIND OF LOOK AT THE WAY THAT THEY WORDED IT. YOU GUYS HAVE ALLOWED PARKING STUDIES IN THE PAST. IT'S NOTHING NEW FOR YOU. UM, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST COMMON, UH, TOOL THAT, THAT PEOPLE GIVE THE DEVELOPERS TO, UH, REDUCE THE PARKING. UM, PARKING AGREEMENTS ARE THE OTHER, ANOTHER TOOL THAT WE USE PRETTY OFTEN. THE PARKING AGREEMENTS ARE PRETTY, PRETTY WIDELY USED AS WELL. THE, UH, ONE THAT WE, THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN YOU GUYS APPLY BEFORE IS A PARKING COUNT PERCENTAGE, UH, REDUCTION FOR COMPACT CARS, MOTORCYCLES, BAR, UH, BICYCLES, UH, SMALLER PARKING SPOTS. SO THEY, THEY ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO USE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF THE PARKING LOT FOR THESE SMALLER PARKING SPACES FOR MOTORCYCLES OR BICYCLES OR COMPACT CARS, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THAT ALLOWS THEM TO GET MORE SPACES INTO THE SITE. BUT THEIR SMALLER SPACES, UM, IT'S JUST PUSHING PEOPLE TO, TO USE OTHER MODES OF TRANSPORTATION INSTEAD OF GREAT BIG CARS AND SUVS. IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S OUT THERE. UH, TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLANS IS, IS AN ODD ONE. TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT PLAN CONSISTS OF THE DEVELOPER COMING UP WITH A GENERAL OUTLINE OF HOW THEIR THEIR BUSINESS IS GONNA WORK AND HOW THEIR PEAK TRAFFIC, UM, SAY IF IT'S A SHOPPING CENTER AND THEY'VE GOT THREE DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS THERE AND THE PEAK TRAFFIC FROM EACH ESTABLISHMENT DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE OTHERS. SO THEIR CLAIM WOULD BE THAT THIS FIRST SHOP WILL HAVE PEAK TRAFFIC AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. THE LAST SHOP WILL HAVE TRAFFIC, PEAK TRAFFIC AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. SO I'LL NEVER NEED THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT. KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, [00:25:01] THE, UH, COLLEGE, THE COLLEGE DOES THEIR, THEIR TRAFFIC COUNTS. THEY DON'T, THEY HAVE CLASSES SPREAD OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, SO THEY DON'T REALLY NEED THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT BECAUSE ALL THE STUDENTS AREN'T THERE AT THE SAME TIME. SO IT'S THE GENERAL IDEA. THEY GIVE THESE THINGS. THEY ALSO COME UP WITH PLANS TO, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A BIG PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, BUT THIS IS IN GENERAL, THEY COME UP WITH PLANS TO GIVE INCENTIVES TO THEIR WORKERS, TO, TO USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION TO, UH, THEY SPLIT THE SHIFTS OF THEIR WORK, WHATEVER BUSINESS IT IS TO HAVE FEWER PEOPLE ON SITE, BUT SPREAD THEM OUT THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WORK LONGER HOURS. UM, THEY HAVE CARPOOL INCENTIVES, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. GEORGETOWN IS THE, IS THE, YOUR EXAMPLE HERE. AND IT'S, IT'S A PRETTY GOOD ONE. UM, THE OTHER IS PUBLIC PARKING CREDIT. WELL, WE KIND OF GIVE IT, BUT DON'T REQUIRE, DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR IT. A LOT OF CITIES OFFER, LIKE OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, THEY'LL METER THOSE SPOTS SO THAT, UH, THEY CAN GENERATE REVENUE TO FIX THE AREA. WE DON'T DO THAT. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY'LL GIVE THE BUSINESS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PASSES TO GIVE OUT TO THEIR EMPLOYEES OR, OR CUSTOMERS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THAT'S THE, UH, THE PUBLIC CREDIT OPTION. THAT'S HOW THEY WORK THAT ONE OUT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS PRETTY RARE, BUT UH, GALVESTON HAS A REALLY GOOD, UH, EXAMPLE OF IT IS THE FUTURE PARKING RESERVE. THAT'S WHERE THE DEVELOPER WILL SHADE OUT A SECTION OF THEIR PROPERTY FOR FUTURE PARKING LOT EXPANSION WHERE THEY MAY NOT NEED THOSE PARKING SPACES. AND THEY, THEY ARE ARGUING THAT THEY WON'T NEED THEM, BUT THEY WILL GIVE A RESERVE A GREEN SPACE RESERVE THAT IS DEDICATED FOR FUTURE PARK PARKING. IF PARKING BECOMES A PROBLEM. IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY WHO DECIDES WHEN PARKING IS A PROBLEM, BUT THE WAY IT'S KIND OF WORDED IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN COME BACK AND TELL THEM ANY AT ANY POINT. IT'S TIME TO GET ONTO PHASE TWO. AND WE HAVE ALLOWED PHASE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE IN SOME OF THE, THE OLDER DEVELOPMENTS BACK IN THE SEVENTIES AND EIGHTIES, UM, WHERE THE SITE WOULD COME IN AND THEY SHOP, UH, SHOPPING CENTERS, BUILD A CERTAIN SECTION, BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING, AND THEN AS THEY ADDED D THE, UH, OUT PARCELS OR EXTENDED THE BUILDING, THEY'D ADD MORE PARKING IN. AND THIS IS THE SAME GENERAL IDEA, EXCEPT THEY WANT TO START WITH A FULL-SIZED BUILDING AND HAVE REDUCED PARKING BECAUSE THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE, THE, UH, THE NEED IS THERE. AND SO THE BIG BENEFIT FOR, FOR ON THIS, FOR THE DEVELOPER IS THEY SET THAT GREEN SPACE ASIDE. FOR US THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT. WE'D HAVE MORE GREEN AREA, BUT FOR THEM, IF, IF THEY HAVE THEIR BUSINESS FOR A SET PERIOD, SAY SIX MONTHS, AND THEY TRULY DON'T NEED THAT PARKING, THEY, THEY, THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE IN GALVESTON WILL ALLOW THEM TO COME BACK AND ASK TO EXPAND THEIR BUILDING OR TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPERTY AS SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE THEY'VE PROVEN THAT THAT BUILDING CAN OPERATE, THAT BUSINESS CAN OPERATE WITH THAT REDUCED NUMBER OF PARKING. SO THAT'S THE LITTLE, I GUESS, BENEFICIAL TAIL PIECE OF THAT, UH, ORDINANCE. IT HELPS THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER EXPAND AND DO MORE WITH THEIR PROPERTY IF THEY TRULY DON'T NEED THAT PARKING SPACE AND THEIR BUSINESS IS, IS SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE GENERAL IDEAS. I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING MOST OF THESE ALREADY, UH, JUST MAYBE IN A, IN A DIFFERENT WAY. BUT, UH, I WANTED TO BRING 'EM BACK TO YOU IF ANY OF THIS INTERESTS YOU IN PUTTING THIS IN THE ORDINANCE. I'VE GOT HARRY'S, UH, CALCULATION TABLE FOR THE STACKING LANES THAT I NEED TO GET DRAFTED UP AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU SO THAT WE CAN GET IT RECOMMENDED TO GO TO COUNCIL. UM, IF ANY OF THIS INTERESTS YOU, WE CAN ADD THIS IN AT THIS POINT AND, AND PUT IT INTO THE ORDINANCE. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING MOST OF THIS AND THERE REALLY IS NOTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS. IF YOU WANTED TO ANY QUESTIONS, COULD YOU DISTILL THIS INTO LIKE A HANDBOOK? MAYBE, MAYBE JUST A IDEAS KIND OF HANDBOOK. I'LL ASK GEMINI , DOES ANYONE DO ANYTHING FOR THREEQUARTER TON TRUCKS? THREEQUARTER TON TRUCKS, MAN, THEY STILL MAKING THOSE THINGS . YEAH, THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I HAVE. LIKE AT HEB, YOU PUT A THREEQUARTER TON TRUCK IN A SPOT MADE FOR A NORMAL SIZED CAR AND YOU HAVE TO JOG TO GET DOWN THE PATH. SO WE ARE REGULATING THE PARKING, PARKING SPACE SIZES OURSELVES. BUT SOME OF THE CITIES DID HAVE 20 FOOT MINIMUMS ON THEIR NINE BY 20 MINIMUM PARKING SPACES. [00:30:01] FOR THAT REASON. I'M SURE THEY WANTED TO ADDRESS THE BIGGER TRUCKS AND THOSE WERE ACTUALLY SMALLER CITIES IN WEST TEXAS, SO I'M GUESSING THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT. UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT ALL WE COULD DO FOR THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE, IF WE MADE EVERYBODY, IF IF YOU WENT INTO HEB AND EVERY PARKING SPACE WAS 20 FOOT WITH A 25 FOOT DRIVE AISLE, THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD BE PRETTY, YOU COULDN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT. YEAH. IT SEEMED LIKE YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO RESTRICT THEM TO ONE YEAH. PLAY IN THEIR OWN SANDBOX . YEAH, THAT'S POSSIBLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'D DO IT WITH BECAUSE, BUT UH, IT IS AN ISSUE. I MEAN, THE PLACE WE HAVE, MAYBE YOU THINK ABOUT TRADING OFF SOME COMPACT SPACES AND SOME LARGER SPACES AND YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY WE INTERESTING THAT YOU WERE SHOWING THE SMALLER ONES, BUT NOT THE THE BIGGER ONES. YEAH, THE BIGGER ONES. YEAH. ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE, JUST A GENERAL THING IS HOW DO THE CITY BENEFIT BY CON UH, REGULATING OR CONTROLLING PARKING SPOTS? UH, THE, THE BIGGEST BENEFIT TO ME, THE ONE THAT I ALWAYS SEE IS IF YOU WERE TO NOT REGULATE AND SOMEBODY BUILT A GREAT BIG WAREHOUSE IN THE CENTER OF DOWNTOWN HERE WITH ZERO PARKING, I GUESS DOWNTOWN'S A BAD EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY OVER HERE IN THE HEB AREA, IF YOU ALLOWED 'EM TO BUILD A BIG BUILDING WITH THREE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA DO ALL ONLINE SALES, THAT BUILDING WOULDN'T HAVE ANY VALUE. IF THAT, IF THAT BUSINESS FAILED, SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO TEAR THAT BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUILD A SMALLER BUILDING JUST TO GET THE PARKING SPACES IN THERE. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH HOUSTON, UH, BECAUSE THERE'S A TON OF EMPTY BUILDINGS THERE, SOME ARE ABANDONED AND NOT USED AND THERE'S DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT THAT COULD BE ONE OF THE POTENTIAL REASONS IS THE PARKING WASN'T ESTABLISHED FOR THAT BUILDING. THEY DON'T OWN THE PARKING AROUND THEM. SO NOBODY CAN GET IN THERE AND BUILD A, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANT OR A STORE FRONT, YOU KNOW, TYPE OF BUSINESS. BUT IT, UH, AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT IMPACTS THE CITY. IT IMPACTS THE COMMERCIAL INTEREST THAT THEY HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THAT AND THEY'RE THE ONE THAT'S GONNA SUFFER WELL IF THEY HAVE A BIG BUILDING AND NO AND NO WAY TO USE IT. THE WAY THAT THAT IMPACTS THE CITY IS THAT BUILDING SITS THERE EMPTY WITH NO SALES REVENUE AND VERY LITTLE SALES TAX BECAUSE IT LOSES ALL OF ITS VALUE. SO THE CITY CAN'T GET ANY MONEY FROM IT. SO WE'VE GOT THE OLD HEBS LIKE THAT. WE'VE GOT THE OLD CLINIC THAT I WAS HOPING WHERE THEY WERE BUILDING YEAH. NEXT TO THE CHICKEN PLACE LIKE THAT, THAT, AND THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T REALLY HELP. I WISH THE CITY COULD, COULD HAVE A FUND TO BUY THOSE BUILDINGS AND RENOVATE THOSE BUILDINGS AND, AND SELL THOSE BUILDINGS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT MECHANISM. AND VERY, VERY FEW CITIES CAN DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO BASICALLY THE, THE ALL WE CAN DO IS PROTECT OUR OWN INTEREST BY MAKING SURE THAT THE BUILDINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY DO HAVE PARKING SPACE, THEY DO HAVE GREEN AREAS, THEY'RE NICE LOOKING AND THAT WAY THEY HAVE A RESALE VALUE IF THE BUSINESS FAILS. MULTIPURPOSE. CORRECT. YEAH. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE ONE THAT I WAS TALKING FROM THE CITY COUNCIL IN THIS, IN JUST ANTICIPATION, UH, OF HOW WE SHOULD GO PARKING. YES. IS THERE AN INTEREST IN, UH, LOOKING INTO THE, UH, THESE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND SUCH? NO. IT, IT, SO IT ORIGINALLY IT CAME HERE AND WE LEFT IT IN THERE. THE, UH, UH, IT REALLY CITY MANAGER CAME IN FROM THE CITY MANAGERS. YEAH. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THERE YOU GO. SO I CAN, I CAN ANSWER THAT. UH, THE COUNCIL DID DISCUSS IT ON THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT IT WAS REALLY IN THE MINDSET OF LOOKING AT THE MALL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, CONCRETE THERE. THE CITY COUNCIL SAID WAS ASKING THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY WOULD LOOK AT IT AS WELL, WHAT YOUR SUGGESTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED, ARE THERE, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER FLEXIBILITY OR OTHER TYPE OF OPTIONS? UM, THEY WEREN'T YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU KNOW, ON, ON THE PARKING. BUT WHAT I'M HEARING SO FAR IS THAT YOU BELIEVE THE ORDINANCES IT EXISTS TODAY DOES ALLOW THAT. SO IN THE FUTURE, IF THE MALL WANTED TO DEVELOP A PORTION OF THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH HAS HAPPENED, YOU KNOW, WOULD YOU BE FLEXIBLE, YOU KNOW, OF ALLOWING SOME OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. I THINK YOU'VE ALLOWED THAT FLEXIBILITY PROPERTY IN THE FRONT OF THE MALL. UM, AND I'M SURE IN THE FUTURE, MAYBE THE BACK OF THE MALL MAY COME UP, BUT COUNCIL JUST WANTED TO AT LEAST SPARK THAT CONVERSATION, UH, AND SEE, UM, DID WE HAVE TO HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT AT ALL? OR, YOU KNOW, WERE THERE OTHER MECHANISMS TO BE, TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY AND NOT ALWAYS JUST HAVE A C OF CONCRETE. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WHEN, UM, WHEN THE RETAIL DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. SAME THING HAPPENED WHERE TARGET TARGET CAME TO US FOR [00:35:01] VARIATIONS SO THEY COULD BUILD THOSE TWO OUT PARCELS. THEY WORKED OUT WELL. SAME THING AT, UH, HOBBY LOBBY PARCELS, LOWE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE ALL DONE THIS. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING, THE WAY THAT STAFF HAS HANDLED IT TODAY, AND THIS IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR STAFF TO TELL, UH, YOU KNOW, A PROSPECTIVE BUYER THAT IT'S NOT AN ABSOLUTE NO. THAT THERE'S ALWAYS AN ALTERNATIVE THAT YOU CAN COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ASK FOR THAT ALTERNATE AND THAT POSSIBILITY DOES EXIST. AND SO ANY FUTURE, YOU KNOW, BUYER OR DEVELOPER, YOU KNOW, THE MALL OR ANY OTHER SITE, IF THEY WERE ASKING THAT POSSIBILITY, WE WOULD GIVE THEM THE SAME ANSWER. IT COULD BE EXPLORED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. GARY, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH EDDIE TILL THE NEXT, BETWEEN DOWN THE NEXT MEETING, KIND OF DISTILL ALL THE, WHAT HE'S PUT TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH LIKE A BULLET LIST OF, I'M THINKING LIKE A HANDBOOK, LIKE LEAVE EVERYTHING LIKE IT IS, BUT WE'LL HAVE A HANDBOOK THAT SOMEBODY NEEDS TO WIGGLE ROOM AND SAY, HERE'S SOME SUGGESTIONS. SEE IF YOU CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE WORK AND COME BACK. PLANNERS THIS FOR THE, UH, THE DEVELOPERS ITSELF, THE CUSTOMER FOR THIS BOOK. YEAH. THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE ARE EXACT, YOU KNOW, PRIME EXAMPLE, EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING EDDIE NAMED OFF, THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THEY, THEY IN ESSENCE HAVE THE GREEN SPACE FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF. SO ALL THE STUFF THAT HE NAMED OFF, THEY'RE ALREADY INCORPORATING IN SOME FORM OR FASHION. BUT WE JUST HAD A LITTLE JUST BE BULLETS. YOU KNOW, SAY IF SOMEBODY'S LIKE IN THEIR SITUATION, THEY HAVE ENOUGH PARKING, WE SAY HERE'S SOME POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES. WHY DON'T YOU LOOK AT 'EM AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'D BE WILLING TO PRESENT TO PLANNER CONSIDERATION. I THOUGHT FROM OUR LAST PRESENTATION THAT THE CONCLUSION WAS THAT, UH, IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE CITIES WERE MOVING AWAY FROM THESE, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND ORDINANCES THAT UH, SO THERE'S NO TREND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW? NO, NO, WE, YEAH, NO, WHAT EDDIE'S FOUND IS OUR WAY. OURS IS, WE'VE GOT THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO WHAT WE WANT. THIS WOULD JUST BE ANOTHER LITTLE HANDOUT THAT YOU COULD GIVE THEM. LIKE HERE. WELL, I'VE ALWAYS ASKED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL? EXACTLY. YEAH, THAT'S A VERY VALID POINT. YEAH. ARE YOU WILLING TO HIT THAT? YES. AND IF YOU'VE GOT, IF ANYBODY HERE WANTS TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP, UH, GARY, OR IF YOU WANT TO NAME SOMEBODY UP, YOU . YOU WANNA BALD AND TOLD SOMEBODY, JEFF, YOU WANNA US OR SAY WHEN. ALRIGHT, COOL. ALRIGHT. SO THAT'S HOW WE'LL HANDLE THAT. THANK YOU EDDIE. THIS IS GOOD, GOOD INFORMATION. ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GET YOU SOMETHING. UH, YOU'LL HAVE TO COME BACK AND, AND BLESS IT THE NEXT MEETING. UM, AND I'LL JUST PUT ALL THESE POINTS IN THERE, ALL THESE BULLETS IN THERE AND YOU GUYS CAN REVIEW IT AND JUST GIVE ME YOUR FEEDBACK AND LET KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE MASSAGED BEFORE. YEAH. THAT WAY WHEN I COME BACK, ARE YOU RETIRED? DUCK? YES SIR. MEANWHILE, IS THAT A REQUISITE? ARE WE, UH, I'M LEAVING THE COUNTRY ON SATURDAY. , ARE WE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE, CHANGE THE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE, CHANGE WITH THE TABLE? OR IS ANY OF THIS YOU, YOU GUYS THINKING IT'S GONNA GO INTO THE ORDINANCE? THIS JUST A SEPARATE ITEM SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REST? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE QUEUING? THE QUEUING, YEAH. IS THERE A RELATIONSHIP? THERE IS. I THINK IT ALL NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHAT CONSIDERED AND THAT COULD BE PART OF ONE OF THESE SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT IT COUNTS FOR. THE QUEUING IS GOING TO TAKE A REQUIREMENT OF CHANGING THE ORDINANCE AS OPPOSED TO A BOOKLET THAT SHE'S GONNA DESCRIBE THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE. IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THERE'S SOME OVERLAP. SO LET, LET'S DO THAT. LET'S GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF THIS NEXT MONTH. OKAY. SEE WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, WITH THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SPARKS. OKAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. READY AGAIN? YEAH, MAYBE UPDATE ON APPROVED PROJECTS BY PLANNERS. UM, DID YOU GUYS GET THE DEVELOPMENT UPDATES IN YOUR PACKET? YES. MM-HMM . MAKING SURE. OKAY. UM, SO, BUT IT'S BEEN REALLY SLOW. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SOMETHING'S IN THE WATER. ALL THE PROJECTS ARE JUST LOW, SLOW RIGHT NOW. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAD ON ANY OF THESE SINCE YOU BROUGHT UP WATER? SEEMS LIKE THE NOP HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN NORMAL, NORMAL OPERATING PRESSURE. IS THERE A REASON? NONE AT ALL. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY WATER YARDS OR SOMETHING THAT'S [00:40:01] BRINGING IT DOWN. NO, DEFINITELY THE RAIN ITSELF IS KIND OF SLOW DOWN. THE HAVE A PRESSURE GAUGE, BUT IT'S LIKE TAKE A SHOWER UNTIL IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS PRESSURE. HARD TO, I FOUND THAT PROBLEM ONCE AND TURNED OUT I HAD LEFT THE HOSE ON . THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE. I DUNNO HOW MUCH I PAID THAT OFFICER WATER BILL STAYING STEADY. SO IT'S NOT, I APPARENTLY I DON'T HAVE A LEAK AND IT WAS BACK UP TODAY. IT WAS LIKE LAST MONTH. HMM. LITTLE BIT. INTERESTING. IS STAYBRIDGE THE ONE OUT AT THE MALL? STAYBRIDGE IS, YEAH. BEHIND THE MALL, NOT THE FRONT. THAT'S WHERE THEY HAVEN WANTED TO DO THE TRUCK PARKING, CORRECT? YEAH. IS THERE ANY PROGRESS ON THAT? UH, TRUCK PARKING IS STILL AT THE MALL, SO THEY'VE WORKED SOMETHING OUT WITH THE MALLS TO WHERE THEIR TRUCKS ARE PARKING IN THE DILLARDS AREA. I SAW THAT. SO THEY DON'T HAVE A REASON TO DO IT AT THE MOMENT. I GUESS IT'S CHEAPER TO PAY THE MALL THAN IT IS TO BUILD. THEY BECAME FRIENDS , IT'S FREE. SO, UM, THEY'RE NOT SPENDING THAT MONEY. WHAT ABOUT OUTTA CORNER ON 2004 FOR REMEMBER? WELL, I, THAT'S RIGHT. AND UH, DID WE, DID WE REQUIRE THEM TO LEAVE ANY TREES? I YES WE DID, BUT WELL WE DID, BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL ON THAT SITE. ALL THE TREES ARE OVER IN THAT TRIANGLE AREA AND THE AREA AROUND THE BUILDING WAS RAISED UP VERY HIGH. THAT AREA NEXT TO IT IS GONNA BE DUG OUT VERY LOW. SO ALL THE TREES WERE GONNA DIE. SO ALL OF THAT STRIP, THAT LONG FINGER OF TREES OVER THERE IS, IS WHERE ALL THE TREES ARE EXCEPT FOR THIS LITTLE BUNCH CLUSTER UP HERE IN THE, IN THE TOP CORNER BY THE LEVEE. THAT'S ONE THAT'S ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT OUR LANDSCAPE THING IS YOU COUNT THE TREES, BUT YOU CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE 'EM. THEY, THEY'RE IN SOME PLACES EXACTLY RIGHT. WE TRY TO KEEP 'EM IN THE FRONT, BUT IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'VE GOT, WELL, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT. I DON'T THINK. NO, BUT WE, WE, WE TRY TO PUSH ON 'EM WHEN THEY START BUILDING, TRY TO GET 'EM TO MAKE IT PRETTY, THEY DON'T LIKE TO HIDE THEIR SIGNS OR FRONT DOORS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR TREES IS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE TREES INSTEAD OF SIGNS AND FRONT DOORS. HOW'S THE SPCA, UH, THE SPCA IS IS RUNNING, WELL, IT'S RUNNING REALLY SMOOTH FOR, FOR THE SPCA STANDARD, BUT I MEAN, UH, NOT THE SPCA. I'M, I'M THINKING THAT THE L-J-C-F-S-P-C-A ISN'T MOVING. THEY HAVEN'T MOVED. UM, THEY'VE GOT A BUNCH OF MATERIAL DELIVERED THAT WAS ORDERED. IT'S, UH, SPECIAL MADE, YOU KNOW, UH, TYPE MATERIAL. SO IT'S, IT'S STUCK THERE. THE ANIMAL CO CONTROL FACILITY NEXT DOOR IS MOVING AND AS SLOW AS IT'S BEEN, IT'S, IT'S LIGHT SPEED RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE FINISHING UP THE IN, WELL, NOT FINISHING UP. THEY'RE WORKING ON THE INSIDE. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG FOR THEM TO GET DONE WITH THE INSIDE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S MINIMAL. IT'S BASICALLY A BIG OPEN ROOM WITH, WITH DOG KENNELS AND SOME SMALL OFFICE SPACE UP FRONT IN THE VERY BACK. SO THEY'RE MOVING FAIRLY QUICKLY. UM, THEY'RE PUTTING IN AIR CONDITIONING AND, AND ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING RIGHT NOW WRAPPED UP PRETTY FAST. THE SPCA UNFORTUNATELY HASN'T MOVED AT ALL, AND, AND WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT IT YET. SO THE MINI HOSPITAL THING, THEY HAVE, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE SENT THEM THEIR PERMIT MARKUPS. THEY NEVER SENT IT BACK. THEY NEVER PAID THEIR FEES. THEY, THEY HAVEN'T PICKED UP THEIR PERMITS. SO FLOATING OUT THERE, THIS IS THE SMALL COMMUNITY HOSPITAL MICRO. YEAH. THAT IS OVER BY WHERE THE PROPOSED KELSEY SEA MOLD IS. YES. THEY HAVEN'T MOVED IT ALL. NEITHER QUESTIONS ARE READY. THE, THE FIBER OPTICS THAT'S GOING INTO THE NEW SUBDIVISION, INTO THE SUBDIVISIONS, IS THAT ALL BEING DUG INTO THE, INTO THE FRONT NO, OR INTO THE REAR WHERE THE EASEMENT IS? WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S FRONT AND REAR EASEMENTS. EXACTLY. YEAH. SO CORNER LAR SOME FRONT EASEMENTS. YEAH. SO IF YOU DRIVE DOWN YON, FOR INSTANCE, AND YOU LOOK AT, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE RUNNING THE, THE LINE INSIDE OF THE FENCES IN THE PRIVATE EASEMENT. UM, RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE FENCE IS A GAS MAIN. AND RIGHT NEXT TO THAT IS THE WATER MAIN. SO THERE'S NO ROOM FOR THEM TO BE OUTSIDE, UH, BETWEEN THE [00:45:01] SIDEWALK AND THE FENCE. SO THEY HAVE TO STAY BEHIND THE FENCE IN THEIR EASEMENT. BUT AS SOON AS THEY CROSS BANYAN AND, AND YON, UH, UH, YON COURT, WHITE OAK, ALL OF THOSE, THEY'VE GOT TO COME ACROSS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THEY'RE NOT TURNING AND GOING UP THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THEY ARE CUTTING ACROSS THOSE STREETS. SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PERMITS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WHERE ARE YOU GOING WHEN YOU'RE CROSSING THE STREETS INSIDE OF THE EASEMENTS, WE HAVE ZERO CONTROL. THAT'S THE PRIVATE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND THE PRIVATE UTILITIES. THE CITY DOESN'T, DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS IN THOSE EASEMENTS. UM, THOSE ARE UTILITY EASEMENTS, NOT DRAINAGE EASEMENTS OR WATER EASEMENTS. THEY'RE JUST FOR CABLE FOR FRANCHISES. AND THE TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION CONTROLS THAT. AND THEN THEY HAVE DEVELOPED THE UTILITY COMMISSION AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE, THAT ARE DEVELOPING THESE SYSTEMS, THEY ANSWER DIRECTLY TO THEM. THEY DON'T NEED TO TALK TO THE CITIES REGARDING ANY OF THEIR STUFF. AND EASEMENTS. SO IT'S GOING INTO THE REAR EASEMENTS? YEAH, THROUGH, THERE'S REAR EASEMENTS ON ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. YEAH. AND UH, WHEN YOU GET, WHEN YOU GET TO THE, THE, THE LOTS THAT HAVE BODIES OF WATER IN THE REAR, ALL, ALL OF THOSE HAVE EASEMENTS IN THE FRONT. VERY FEW HAVE A REAR EASEMENT. UH, THERE'S A FEW SECTIONS OF OYSTER CREEK HUCKLE. HUCKLEBERRY IS ALL FRONT. UM, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE PUTTING, THEY'RE PUTTING SOME BIG JUNCTION BOXES IN THE FRONT YARDS OF SOME PEOPLE ON STREET WHERE YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THEY TURN A CORNER. THAT FIBER OPTIC CABLE DOESN'T BEND VERY WELL. SO IF THEY WANT TO MAKE A 90 DEGREE TURN, THEY HAVE TO SET ONE OF THOSE BOXES AND THEY'LL PUT A LOOP OF, UH, OF CABLE IN THERE SO THAT THE, THE WIRE CAN BE CUT AND SPLICED AND PULLED BACK THROUGH TO THE NEXT BOX SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DIG UP AND REPLACE THAT LONGER SECTION. THEY CAN CUT 'EM INTO SMALLER SECTIONS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S AT AND T LIGHT FIBERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE, THE CITY RIGHT NOW AT T HAS SOME GUYS OVER THERE TOO, BUT WE'VE GOT FIBER OPTIC GOING IN ALL OVER THE CITY RIGHT NOW. IT'S INTERESTING. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT IT. I LIVE ON, UH, LIVE OAK LANE, SO I'M IN ONE OF THESE AND ALL I'VE NOTICED WAS PEOPLE STARTED PAINTING MY GRASS, DIFFERENT COLORS AND TOWARDS MY HOUSE AND SUCH AND WE COULDN'T TELL WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN. WE WERE JUST GUESSING WHAT IT WAS. YEAH, YEAH. YOU'VE GOT FRONT EASEMENTS OVER THERE ON, ON LIVE OAK. SO YOU, YOU GET EVERYTHING. AND WE HAD ONE GAS LEAK DOWN THE STREET AND WE LOST OUR CABLE FOR 24 HOURS. WOW. AND I THINK THEY FOUND THE CABLE BECAUSE WE CALLED 'EM AND SAID, YOU, IT'S NOT GONNA DO ANY GOOD TO COME TO MY HOUSE. 'CAUSE IT DOWN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S, UH, GROWTH. THAT'S GROWING PAINS. WE'RE GETTING FASTER INTERNET SO WE CAN ALL GO HOME AND RACE. IT'S INTERESTING, WE, IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE OR SOMETHING, POTENTIALLY WE, UH, NOTIFY THE RESIDENTS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. THERE WASN'T ANY KIND OF NOTIFICATION PROCESS HERE. I'M SURE IT WASN'T REQUIRED, BUT I WONDER IF THE COURTESY WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO DO A SINGULAR SYSTEM TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE WEBSITE. ON THE WEBSITE. YEAH, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. GENERAL, GENERAL NOTIFICATION PROBLEM IS WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS. AND SO IF WE START SPREADING DETAILS AND, AND THE PUBLIC, WE START GUIDING PEOPLE THE WRONG WAY, THEN WE PUT OURSELVES IN A, IN A BAD POSITION. SO WHAT WE DO IS REQUIRE THE PROVIDER TO ISSUE NOTIFICATIONS. THERE'S NO PUBLIC NOTICE, PUBLIC, UH, ANYTHING LIKE THAT REQUIRED OR WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT. NO, NOT ON OUR END. NO. UM, BUT WE, WE REQUIRE THEM WHEN THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING TO WORK AND DISTURB AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE REQUIRE 'EM TO GO PUT DOOR HANGERS ON ALL OF THE DOORS. SO THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOOR HANGERS ON EVERY HOUSE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD BEFORE THEY STARTED WORK WITH A CONTRACTORS CONTACT OR, OR A, UH, LIKE A QR CODE TO SEND YOU STRAIGHT TO THE AT T WEBSITE. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. WELL TALK TO THEM. 'CAUSE WE HAD A NICE SIT DOWN. THEY ALREADY FINISHED MINE, BUT SOMEBODY'S THEY'RE STILL GOING. OF COURSE. YEAH. WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL TALK TO THEM. THAT WAS, UH, THAT WAS A REQUIREMENT THAT THE GUY OVER HERE PUT ON THEM AND UH, THEY SAT THERE AND PROMISED US ARE WE TALKING OTHER THAN THE LIGHT FIBER, LIGHT FIBER DID HAVE THAT REQUIREMENT. WELL, WE, UH, WE ALSO SAT DOWN WITH AT T RIGHT AFTERWARDS AND GAVE THEM THE SAME MANDATE AT T TAKES LIBERTIES. IT'S INTERESTING THE INVESTMENT THEY'RE MAKING THERE AND PEOPLE ARE CANCELING THEIR LANDLINES ANYWAY. SO WHAT DOES AT T GET FOR IT? AT&T IS A, IS OUT OF THE LANDLINE BUSINESS AND IN THE INTERNET BUSINESS THE SAME AS COMCAST, ANYONE. SO THE FIBER OPTIC IS FAR THE TV AND SUCH. [00:50:01] THIS, THIS PUSH OF FIBER OPTIC IS ACTUALLY GONNA GET RID OF THE, UH, ALL THE COPPER CABLE. SO THE OLD COPPER SYSTEM WAS USED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAD A LANDLINE AND DIDN'T WANNA UPGRADE 'CAUSE THEY LIKED WHAT THEY HAD, DIDN'T HAVE A NEED FOR FIBER. THOSE PEOPLE HAVE SLOWLY BEEN REPLACED. UH, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR SUBSCRIPTION HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH A FIBER OPTIC VERSION. SAME PRICE, BUT PRICE, BUT DIFFERENT SYSTEM. UM, THE HOLDOUTS ARE THE CABLE BUSINESSES. CABLE IS ALSO GONNA BE STAYING COAXIAL CABLE. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S JUST ABOUT DEAD NOW. UM, BUT THE BUSINESSES, THEY USE SECURITY BACKUP, UH, BURGLAR ALARMS. AND YOU, FIBER HISTORICALLY HASN'T HAD A ALTERNATE POWER SOURCE. SO WHEN YOU LOSE POWER, YOU LOSE FIBER, YOU LOSE YOUR ALARM. SO BUSINESSES JUST STAY AWAY FROM THAT. AND THEY STICK WITH THE COPPER SYSTEM. WELL NOW THEY HAVE BUSINESS FIBER. THIS BUSINESS FIBER HAS BACKUP BATTERIES IN THE MIDDLE TOWERS. THEY'VE GOT BACKUP GENERATORS BUILT INTO THE LITTLE CABINETS. SO NOW THEY'RE SELLING THIS AS A BUSINESS FIBER THAT WILL POWER WILL STAY POWERED EVEN DURING HURRICANE OR WHATEVER, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR SECURITY. SO THAT'S THE END OF THE COPPER SYSTEM. THOSE WERE THE LAST OF THE HOLDOUTS. NOW THAT THEY'VE SOLVED THAT PROBLEM, THAT SHOULD BE GOING AWAY AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE AWAY FROM COPPER ALTOGETHER AND WE'LL BE ALL FIBER OPTIC. UH, AND THE ONLY REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A TON OF COPPER CABLES EVERYWHERE. AND IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHEN YOU CUT ONE THAT IT'S DEAD AND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REPAIRING IT OR CALLING AT AND T AND LEAVING A HOLE OPEN FOR A WEEK SO THEY CAN COME AND CHECK IT. IF IT'S FIBER OPTIC, YOU'LL GET CALLED FAST. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEIR SYSTEM KNOWS BEFORE YOU EVEN CALL THAT THERE'S A CUT FIBER LINE. THEY'RE ALREADY COUNTING THEIR DOLLARS THAT THEY'RE LOSING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ON YOUR INTERNET. ARE THEY GOING TO DO THE FIBER OPTIC TO THE EVERY HOUSE ALSO, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT A CUSTOMER? WELL, NO, NO, NO, NO. SO THIS IS A, THIS AT T UPGRADE. THEY'VE HAD FIBER OPTIC TRUNK LINES FOR YEARS. THIS IS TO REPLACE THE LITTLE, LITTLE SIDELINES THAT GO THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU KNOW, THEY, THE, THEY'RE A BIGGER LINE. THEY'RE NOT AN INDIVIDUAL HOUSE LINE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THE TRUNK LINES. AND SO THEY'RE INSTALLING THESE NOW AND AS AFTER THEY'RE DONE INSTALLING THESE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK WITH REAL FIBER OPTIC LINES TO THE PEOPLE'S HOUSES LIKE COMCAST DOES. NOW WE GOTTEN OFF OUR AGENDA A LITTLE BIT. I'M AFRAID, SO. OKAY. DON'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING I SEE. DON'T WRITE . JUST CURIOUS, WHAT FORMAT DO THEY GIVE YOU THAT ASBUILT ON ON WHEN THEY CROSS THEIR CITY RIDER, THEY GIVE US A, UH, A PERMIT SHEET. THEY'RE ALL ELECTRONIC PDFS. UM, THEY GIVE US THE ROUTE, THEY GIVE ME MEASUREMENTS FROM THE NEAREST PHYSICAL OBJECT, LIKE A CURB OR A SIDEWALK OR A TELEPHONE POLE, FIRE HYDRANT, ANY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT CAN BE MEASURED. AND THEN AS THEY GO AND PUT 'EM IN, WHEN I'M RUNNING IN BETWEEN FIRES, I STOP TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE TAKING THEIR MEASUREMENTS AND EACH INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTOR, 'CAUSE THERE'S A TON OF THEM, UM, THAT ALL OF THEM ARE READING THEIR PERMITS AND PUTTING THEIR, THEIR CABLES IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE, THEY'RE ALL SCANNED ELECTRONICALLY. THEY'RE PUT INTO OUR P DRIVE, OUR PUBLIC SERVER, UM, THAT EVERYBODY IN THE BUILDING CAN SEE AND THEY STAY THERE FOREVER. IS THE THESE DWGS OR NO, NO, WE DON'T SCAN 'EM IN. UH, SURVEY THEM IN. THEY'RE JUST PDFS. THERE'RE THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NOBODY TO GO OUT AND TAKE THOSE MEASUREMENTS OR GO OUT NO. GEO CHECK THOSE MEASURES. YEAH. NO GEOLOCATIONS NO. AT LEAST GIVE YOU THE DEPTH OF THEIR IT SHOWS IT, IT SHOWS IT HOWEVER IT GOES THAT WE DON'T KNOW. YEAH. BUT THERE'S NO WAY TO TELL THAT. EVEN, EVEN WHEN YOU GET A LOCATOR TO GO OUT AND MARK IT, THEY'RE ABOUT AT LEAST 15, 20% GUESSING. THEY'RE, THEY'RE CHECKING THEIR MACHINE AND THEY'RE KIND OF INTERPRETING WHAT THE MACHINE IS TELLING THEM TO GET YOU THE DEPTH. SPEAKING OF LOCATOR, DO THEY PUT A TRACER WIRE ON THOSE THINGS SO YOU CAN THEY ARE, THEY ARE. YEAH. THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'VE GOT A JACKET ON 'EM THAT THEY CAN, THEY CAN RUN A SIGNAL ON THE SAME FIVE 12 MEGAHERTZ THAT EVERYBODY USES RIGHT NOW. THEY JUST PUTTING THE JACKET IN. NEXT CREW IS GONNA COME IN AND PUT THE FIBER. YEAH, THEY'RE PUTTING A ONE AND A HALF INCH UCT OR TWO OR THREE, WHATEVER WE'RE REQUIRING, DEPENDING ON THE AREA. AND THEN ANOTHER CREW WILL COME IN AND PULL THE WIRE THROUGH AND THEN THE FINAL CREW WILL COME IN AND DO THE ACTUAL SPLICING OF THE, OF THE CABLE, NOT WIRE OF THE CABLES, OF THE ACTUAL FIBERS. AND THEN THEY'LL BE READY TO START HOOKING UP HOUSE SERVICES. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO OF THOSE BLACK PIPES GOING. SO IN SOME, IN SOME CASES THERE'S TWO AND SOME THERE'S THREE AND SOME, THERE'S JUST ONE THAT'S EXTRA CAPACITY. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S AS OPPOSED TO BACKUP, IT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT LINE. IF IT'S AN IMPORTANT LINE, THEY'RE GONNA PUT AN, AN EXTRA ONE THERE SO THAT [00:55:01] IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE, THEY COULD JUST PULL ANOTHER WIRE THROUGH AND GET IT BACK UP REAL FAST. ANYTHING ELSE FOR EDDIE? GOOD. THANK YOU EDDIE. ALRIGHT. THANK Y'ALL. NO. ANY DOCUMENTS TO SIGN THIS TIME? NOPE, NOT AT THIS TIME. NO. ALL NEXT MEETING ON TUESDAY, AUGUST THE FOURTH. GOOD. ALRIGHT. SURE. THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU GUYS. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR UH, CLINIC. THANK YOU. BEATING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.