Sep 01, 2026 Planning Commission

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WE ALL THANK YOU, SIR.

[2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES – August 4, 2026 ]

YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE MINUTES, THE CHANGES.

ALL RIGHT.

MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

IS KAY GONNA SHOW UP TODAY? DO WE KNOW I WOULD GET ANY NOTIFICATIONS FROM GARY? CAN YOU SIGN THAT IN FIRST STATE PLEASE.

[3. VISITOR COMMENTS ]

SO JUST STATE YOUR PIECE.

ALRIGHT.

JOSEPH DANIELS, UM, CAME TODAY BASICALLY TO COME UP WITH A BRINGING A BUSINESS INTO LAKE JACKSON.

UH, I GAVE EVERYBODY A BROCHURE TO KIND OF FLIP THROUGH.

UH, KINDA GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAKDOWN OF OUR, WHERE WE CAME FROM, WHO WE ARE, AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO WE'RE FAMILY OWNED, OPERATED, UH, GYM.

UH, WE STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO.

WE EXPANDED TO THREE LOCATIONS IN THAT FIVE YEARS.

UH, NUMBER FOUR, WE'RE HOPING TO BE IN LAKE JACKSON.

UH, IT'S GONNA BE TAKEN OVER THE OLD HEB, WHICH OUR EVERYBODY KNOWS OF, RIGHT? MM-HMM .

PERFECT.

UH, SO THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE OUR BIGGEST LOCATION, UH, TO DATE, UH, FOR THIS CONCEPT.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE BRINGING PRETTY MUCH A FULL HEALTH CLUB CENTER, PICKLEBALL, STRENGTH EQUIPMENT, CARDIO KIDS CLUB, UH, CROSS SIMULATORS, UH, PRETTY MUCH ALL THE ABOVE.

UH, I KNOW THAT BIG CONCERN, UH, YOU KNOW, COMING HERE TODAY WAS BASICALLY, I THINK IT'S THE ZONING PERIOD OR THE ZONING OF HEV BUILDING.

SO MOST OF OUR FACILITIES ARE 24 HOUR FITNESS.

UH, I THINK THERE WAS LIKE A BIG HIP, UH, HICCUP WITH, UH, THE HOURS OF BEING OPERATING.

SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE VERIFY AND, UH, EVERYTHING IS OKAY TO BE OPEN AT LEAST 24 OR LIMIT IT TO LIKE, UH, I THINK IT'S, UH, 11 A 11:00 PM OR 4:00 AM TO 11:00 PM SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT.

, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU ANY RESPONSE ON THAT ONE.

YOU JUST MAKE ALL YOUR, ALL YOUR STATEMENTS CONCERNING THAT THING AND THAT'S IT.

YOU WON'T GET ANY ACTION ON IT.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

SENT YOU NOT ON THE AGENDAS.

OH, OKAY.

OKAY.

I GOT YOU.

I GOT YOU.

UM, YEAH, I MEAN THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP THE ATTENTION AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT WAS OKAY AND THAT'S APPROVED.

UM, AS FAR AS LIKE THE BUILD OUT PHASE OF IT ALL, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING, WE'RE NOT CHANGING MUCH TO IT.

UH, JUST PRETTY MUCH COSMETIC, UH, MINOR PLUMBING, ELECTRICAL, STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT GYMS ARE PRETTY MUCH OPEN CONCEPT.

THE BUILDING ALREADY IS KIND OF OPEN CONCEPT, SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH SET UP TO BE A GYM.

JUST SOME, UM, CHANGE UPS COULD ASK A QUESTION OR NOT.

NO, NO, NO.

NO.

THE QUESTION IS RENTING OR BUYING THIS, THAT'S THERE, THAT'S THE QUESTION.

NO, NO.

SO EVERYTHING, WE'RE WE COME FULLY FUNDED, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE NEED FROM LAKE JACKSON.

JUST APPROVAL, UH, FOR THE CONCEPT.

JUST WORK THROUGH STAFF, NO HELP YOU.

ALRIGHT, PERFECT.

DOT YOUR I'S AND CROSS YOUR T'S.

YEP.

WE DID MEET WITH HIM.

UH, AND UH, WE EXPLAINED TO HIM ALL THE CONDITIONS AND ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP FOR DISCUSSION DURING THE FORMAL PRESENTATION SO THAT HE'D BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO ALL THOSE THINGS AND THAT YOU WOULD ALSO BE AT LEAST AWARE OF WHAT WAS COMING DOWN.

SO YOU CAN START FORMULATING YOUR OWN, YOUR OWN IDEAS.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU.

THANKS LEE.

[4. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION, A REPLAT OF LOT RESERVE H OF LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER AND LOT C RESERVE B LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER HOTEL, 220 GRAPEVINE TURN, FILED ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026. ]

ON WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION OF LOT RESERVE H LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER, AND LOT C RESERVE B LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER HOTEL TWO 20, GRAPEVINE TURN FILED TODAY.

THERE YOU TAKE, UH, THIS IS JUST C, RIGHT? OH, SORRY.

NO, UH, SO THIS IS THE KELSEY SEABOLD SITE.

THEY CAME IN AND SPOKE ABOUT REPLANTING JOINING THE PROPERTIES SO THAT UH, THEY IN THE FUTURE THEY COULD EXPAND AND FOR NOW THEY COULD MEET THE GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS MORE EASILY.

UM, SO EVERYTHING IS IS UP TO SPEED.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY RESERVATIONS ABOUT THIS PLAT.

IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

AND YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD ALL ABOUT THE KELSEY STUFF.

ANYTHING ELSE OR NICOLE? THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THE, UH, PLAT NOW CON, UH, TAKES IN CONSIDERATION THE REMAINING

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THEY ASSEMBLED IT ENTRANCE IS ONE TRACK, UH, WITH EXCAVATIONS THAT IT WOULD BE EXPANDED WITH TIME AND WITH BUSINESS.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AT THE VERY GET GO ON THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO DO THAT AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.

I, ANY QUESTIONS? NO, SIR.

OKAY.

NO, NOTHING.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

I MOVE THAT WE, UH, APPROVE THE FINAL ACT, REVIEW AND ACTION AND WINDING WAVE PARK SUBDIVISION, A RELIGHT OF LARGE RESERVE H OF LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER AND LA C RESERVE B LAKE JACKSON TOWN CENTER HOTEL TWO 20 GRAPE MINE TURN FILED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2 20 26.

HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT,

[5. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON A PROPOSED ALTERNATE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOT 1 OF WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION AT 220 GRAPEVINE TURN FOR THE KELSEY-SEYBOLD MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC, FILED ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026. ]

FILE REVIEW AND ACTION ON A PROPOSED ALTERNATE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOT ONE OF WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION AT TWO 20.

GRAPEVINE TURN FOR THE KELSEY SEABOLD MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC FILED ON TODAY.

ALL RIGHT, SO THIS IS THE ALTERNATE SITE PLAN.

JUST AS THEY DISCUSSED, JUST AS THEY PRESENTED, UH, LAST MONTH.

IT'S SHORT.

A COUPLE PARKING SPACES AS NOW.

YES, AND THERE YOU GO.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE ASSEMBLED IT INTO A SINGLE, SINGLE LOT.

SO THEY HAVE A LOT OF SPACE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS IF THE PARKING IS NOT ADEQUATE AND, UH, PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE AND PLENTY OF TREES TO PRESERVE TO EXPAND IN THE FUTURE, THAT HELPS 'EM IN THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BECAUSE THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE STRINGENT ON WHAT THEY HAVE.

THEY'RE GONNA EXPAND IT OUT, RIGHT? THIS IS A PUD AND THEY'RE, ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PRESERVED C INCHES AND THEY HAVE A LOT NOW TO CHOOSE FROM.

SO AS THEY BUILD AND DO WHATEVER THEY CAN FIT PRESERVATION TREES IN THERE.

SO THE PROPOSED, UH, AS YOU REMEMBER, THE PROPOSED, UH, CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN ARE MINIMAL IN THE RESPECT THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING OUTSIDE OF THEIR FOOTPRINT.

UH, THEY'RE PRIMARILY, UH, PROVIDING BETTER ACCESS TO THE PARKING.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, RIGHT NOW, THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW, THERE ISN'T, UH, ENOUGH PARKING EXISTING, BUT THEY WILL BE PUTTING, UH, ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR WITH THE, UH, WITH THE VARIANCE THAT YOU GRANTED.

UH, BUT THE PRIMARY IS NOW THEY ARE PROVIDING GOOD, SAFE ACCESS TO THEIR PATRONS THAT GO IN ACROSS THAT PARKING FIELD TO THE, UH, TO THE MAIN BUILDING.

AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY CONSISTING OF A SIDEWALK AROUND THE BUILDING.

UH, THE ENTIRE BUILDING ITSELF.

THERE'S A DROP OFF POINT, UH, DROP OFF SPACE THERE THAT, I GUESS RIGHT THERE AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

SO THEY CAN DROP THEIR, UH, THEIR HANDICAPPED I GUESS, OR WHOEVER'S CHALLENGED THERE TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING.

THEY'RE ALSO PROVIDING A CROSS AXIS, UH, UH, PART AREA, UH, ACROSS FROM THE, THE SIDEWALK BACK TO THE, TO THE BUILDING THERE.

SO THAT'S PRIMARILY THE, THE, THE MAIN SITE CHANGES THERE.

UH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANY OF THE UTILITIES OF DRAINAGE IS NOT CHANGED BECAUSE THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE IS NOT BEING CHANGED.

UH, THAT'S EXISTING AND THE UTILITIES THAT ARE THERE ARE NOT GONNA BE CHANGED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY SUFFICIENT.

THERE, THERE WAS AN ITEM THERE THAT CAME ABOUT YES.

YESTERDAY FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING.

AND THAT, UH, THAT CAME ABOUT FOR, FROM THAT WRAP THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THERE.

UH, NICOLE TOOK HIM TO TASK, TOOK THE ENGINEER TO TASK, TRIED TO DETERMINE THE REASON WHY IT WAS BUILT.

THE DESIGNER YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA EXPAND ON THAT? YEAH, YOU CAN ELABORATE.

UM, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD A DA STANDARDS, THE 2010 VERSION, WHICH REQUIRES FIVE FOOT LANDING RAMP BEFORE YOU BACK THAT.

AND BASED ON THE GRADES FOR THIS EXISTING SIDEWALK AND THE WAY THAT THEY CAN TIE IN, UM, THEY FELT IT WAS THE MOST CONSERVATIVE APPROACH TO KNOW THEY CAN MEET A DA REQUIREMENTS INSTEAD OF BEING SURE THAT THE SURVEY WAS CORRECT AND THEN HAVING TO FEEL TO ADJUST.

UM, THEY, THEY WERE REALLY TIGHT.

IT WAS LIKE 0.3 FEET ELEVATION THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE UP.

AND THEY DIDN'T WANNA, THEY DIDN'T WANNA WORRY ABOUT THAT AND FEEL, THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE I CONNECTED AND MADE THAT CONNECTION.

IT'S A SHAME WITH THAT.

ALL THAT CONCRETE.

AND NO ONE WILL EVER USE IT

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YOU'RE GOING ON A SIDEWALK TO A SIDEWALK.

YEAH, MORE THAN LIKELY IT WILL.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST GONNA BE BICYCLES WHENEVER THEY TRY TO MAKE MAKE A NICE LITTLE ETTE THROUGH THERE.

UM, BUT YES, NO, I MEAN WE, WE BROUGHT IT UP TO THEM AND TRIED TO CHANGE OR TRYING TO SEE WHETHER THEY COULD CHANGE THEIR SITUATION TO MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE.

YOU KNOW, THEY WERE SET ON THAT ONE AND REALLY, WE, WE CAN'T FORCE THEM YEAH.

TO CHANGE THEM.

ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR.

THE REPLANTING, UH, THAT WE'VE DONE, DOES THAT REALLY IMPACT BACK THE LANDSCAPE PLANS, THE REQUIREMENTS OR SUCH AT ALL? AS FAR AS THE, WE, WE ALLOW THEM TO NOT INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE PLAN.

OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE MEETING THEIR SITE PLAN CONDITIONS ALREADY AS IT IS WITHIN THE EXISTING AREA.

AND, UH, ONLY AFTER DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, WHENEVER THEY DO MEET, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION.

THEY HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IF THEY, IF THEY ADD ON IN SECTIONS, THEN THAT WOULD BE CHALLENGING.

EVERY TIME, EVERY TIME THAT THEY COME IN HERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO UNDERGO THAT.

REVIEW TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.

NO.

NO.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION I TO ACCEPT FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION OF THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOT ONE OF WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION AT TWO 20.

GRAPEVINE TURN FOR THE KELSEY SIEBOLD MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC FILED ON SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2026.

WE HAVE A MOTION? WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND.

I GOT ONE.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

OPPOSED? ALRIGHT,

[6. FINAL REVIEW AND ACTION ON A PROPOSED ALTERNATE LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOT 1 OF WINDING WAY PARK SUBDIVISION AT 220 GRAPEVINE TURN FOR THE KELSEY-SEYBOLD MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC, FILED ON SEPTEMBER 1, 2026. ]

YEAH.

SO THIS IS, UH, THE SAME ONE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU LAST MONTH.

AND THEY FORMALLY PUT THE ALTERNATE IN FRONT BECAUSE OF THE SCREENING TREE REMOVAL, UH, LOG GROUP BINDER.

UH, INITIALLY WE HAD AN ASTERISK, WE'RE GONNA SEE WHAT YOUR DETERMINATION WAS ON, UM, WHO'S A SCREENING TREE FOR THAT HANDICAP BRAND.

AND, UM, THE TOTAL THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ON THE SIDE, IF YOU DO THE CALCULATION WOULD BE SEVEN.

THEY'RE PROVIDING, UH, FOUR AT THIS TIME AND THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL SCREENING ALONG WINDING AWAY THAT'S NOT REQUIRED.

TECHNICALLY THIS IS PRIVATE ON THAT SIDE.

AND ASIDE FROM THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMARY OF TREES, THEY DIDN'T EVEN NEED TO CALL ANY OF THEM PROTECTED BECAUSE THEY EXCEED THE CALIPER INCH REQUIREMENT BY 10.

MEANING THEY'RE REQUIRED 50 CALIBER PER INCHES FOR THE SIZE AND THEY HAVE 500 CALIBER PER INCHES OF STRETCH TREES.

SO THIS WILL CHANGE AS THEY EXPAND THE PARKING.

WE'LL HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON WHICH TREES ARE STILL LIVING AND IF THEIR CALPER INCH REQUIREMENTS ARE STILL MET.

UM, BUT AT THIS TIME THEY VERY FAR EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PUD AND THE ORDINANCE.

OKAY.

SO MY QUESTION IS, SINCE WE ALREADY COMBINED THE TWO LABS TOGETHER AS ONE PLOT, AND WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT IT AS A SEPARATE PLOT, SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE BIG ONE RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING, NOT JUST THAT AREA.

OKAY.

EXACTLY.

AND THEY ALL IS JUST THE TREES THERE.

YEAH, THE, AND WHAT THEY DID FOR US IS THEY, THEY ADDED A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM FOR WHY IT'S AN ULTIMATE DESIGNATION JUST TO HELP WHEN WE GO BACK TO THESE IN THE FUTURE.

SO THEY SPELL OUT EXACTLY WHY IT HAS AN ALTERNATE DESIGNATION.

WE'VE HAD PROBLEM PROBLEMS IN THE PAST OF HAVING TREES TOO CLOSE TO AN ENTRANCE AND THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD DEAL IF WE HAD TO DO THE REQUIRING OF TREES.

AM I GETTING SEND THAT TRUE? OKAY.

A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE FINAL, UH, REVIEW AND ACTION ON THE PROPOSED ALTERNATE LANDSCAPE PLAN AMENDMENT TO LOT ONE OF WINDING WAY PARK, UH, SUBDIVISION AT, UH, 2, 2 20 GRAPEVINE TURN, OR THE KELSEY SIBO MEDICAL OFFICE CLINIC FILE ON SEPTEMBER 1ST.

WE HAVE A MOTION.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE HAVE A SECOND.

ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED?

[7. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDING FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF THE PARKING VARIANCE PAMPHLET INCLUDING THE PROPOSED ADDITION OF ALTERNATIVE PARKING CREDITS FOR REDUCED-SIZE PARKING SPACES AND FUTURE PARKING RESERVE PLANS AS ACCEPTED SITE PLAN ALTERNATIVES.]

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PAMPHLET.

SO YOU GUYS FINALLY GOT A COPY OF THE PAMPHLET.

UM, SO WHEN I WAS TALKING WITH SHERRY, UH, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE PAMPHLET, INCLUDING A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNSEL CAN BLESS THEM BEFORE WE CAN DISTRIBUTE THEM AS OFFICIAL.

UM, SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PAMPHLET.

UH, IF YOU DON'T LIKE SOMETHING, LET ME KNOW WHAT IT IS.

IF YOU THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE ADDED, LET ME KNOW WHAT IT IS.

BUT WE ALSO NEED TO DISCUSS THE PARKING, ALTERNATIVE PARKING CREDITS FOR DUE SIZED PARKING SPACES, COMPACT CARS, MOTORCYCLES, BIKES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, AS WELL AS THE FUTURE PARKING RESERVE, UH, IDEA.

AND SO WE NEED TO GET APPROVAL TO RECOMMEND THAT COUNSEL DISCUSS EACH OF THOSE THREE ITEMS IN ORDER TO MOVE THEM FORWARD.

UM, THE PAMPHLET CAN BE ALTERED TO REMOVE EITHER ONE OF THOSE.

IT'S, SO IT'S NOT ALL OR NONE, BUT WE DO NEED YOUR FEEDBACK AND WE NEED YOUR DISCUSSION AND YOUR RECOMMENDATION.

LET'S GO THROUGH THIS SECTION BY SECTION.

SO THE FIRST ONE IS WHY OFFER PARKING VARIANCES? BUT FIRST OFF, HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO READ THIS? YEAH.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE CHANGED IN THAT FIRST SECTION? OBJECTION.

SO WE TRIED TO POINT OUT THAT WE EXPECT THEM TO MEET THE FULL REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE ARE OPEN TO ALTERNATES, UH, IN ORDER, YOU KNOW, WE, WE REALIZE THAT IT'S NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE.

AND SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE GIST IS.

I LIKE THE WAY IT'S BEEN WORDED.

IT, IT SAYS WE WANT THIS, BUT IF, IF YOU CAN'T, WE'LL WE'LL ENTERTAIN YOUR IDEAS.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WHAT I WAS AIMING FOR.

LETS GO WITH THAT.

NEXT THING IS, UH, TALKS ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMM PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, DO YOU THINK ANY ISSUES WITH THAT STATEMENT? SO I COULD HAVE GIVEN A LOT MORE DETAIL.

THAT'S NOT ALL THAT YOU DO.

BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PAMPHLET, I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND A THIRD OF THE PAMPHLET GOING OVER ALL THE THINGS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVERSEES.

THIS IS PRECISE AND CONCISE TO EXACTLY WHAT APPLIES.

SO THAT'S GREAT.

GOOD WORK.

NEXT SECTION, COMMON PARKING, VARIANCE OPTIONS, PARKING STUDIES, SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS, REDUCE, DO THOSE THREE.

SO COMMON VARIANCE OPTIONS.

PARKING STUDIES.

OKAY, YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT, DANNY? SO THIS IS THE ONE THAT YOU GUYS ASK FOR MOST OFTEN WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND SAY THEY DON'T NEED ALL THE PARKING THAT YOU ASK 'EM TO GO BACK AND FIND, UM, DATA TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIM, WHICH USUALLY COMES IN, IN, UH, I GUESS STUDIES THAT THEY'VE DONE ON THEIR OTHER SITES IN OTHER AREAS.

AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE PARKING STUDY IS.

UM, THERE'S THINGS THAT THEY CAN MENTION, WHICH THEY TYPICALLY DO, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN BEFORE, THE EXISTING DEMAND, PROJECTED DEMAND.

THEY DON'T FORESEE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE COMING INTO THEIR BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE GONNA BE MOSTLY ONLINE SALES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, THE PEAK PARKING PERIODS, UH, THERE'S CERTAIN BUSINESSES THAT ONLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS AT CERTAIN TIMES DURING THE DAY.

SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW THEIR BUSINESS IS ONLY GONNA USE PEAK PARKING AND DURING THESE HOURS.

AND THE REST OF THE TIME, UH, AN ADJACENT BUSINESS WON'T.

AND SO YOU CAN CONSIDER PEAK PARKING IS PART OF THE, UH, UH, THE STUDY, I GUESS THE SHIFT? YEAH.

YEAH.

JUST BASICALLY A SHIFTS.

YEAH.

YOU, YOU COULD HAVE TWO NEIGHBORING BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO HAVE CROSS ACCESS AND ONE COULD SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA OPERATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRST HALF OF THE DAY.

AND THE SECOND SAY, WELL, WE WE'RE OPERATING THE SECOND HALF, SO AS NEIGHBORS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET SOME EXTRA CREDIT FOR SHARING SPACES AND NOT HAVE TO PUT IN AS MUCH.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COMPARABLE DEVELOPMENTS, OTHER STORES, IF IT'S A CONVENIENCE STORE, LOOKING AT THE OTHER CONVENIENCE STORES AND HOW THEIR PARKING LOTS ARE NOT USED AND TO JUSTIFY THEIR, THEIR IDEAS.

UM, SO THAT'S ALL THAT IS.

IT'S JUST BASICALLY GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS, GIVING THEM SOME IDEAS, UH, ON THINGS TO CONSIDER, UH, TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

THE NEXT SECTION EXPANDS ON THAT SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT THAT HE ALLUDED TO IN THE PREVIOUS ONE.

YOU PRETTY MUCH COVERED THAT SECTION.

ANYBODY, ANY CHANGES OR ANYTHING ANYBODY NEEDS ON ANY EITHER OF THESE? NO SIR.

GOOD.

ALRIGHT THEN ALTERNATE PARKING CREDITS.

REDUCED SIZE PARKING SPACE.

SO YEAH, THIS IS THE ONE THAT NEEDS SOME DISCUSSION.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ARE MAKING SMALLER VEHICLES, ELECTRIC VEHICLES

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UM, SO A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT I LOOKED AT DID HAVE MOTORCYCLE PARKING BECAUSE I GUESS THEY HAVE A LOT OF MOTORCYCLES IN THEIR AREA, WHICH THE WEATHER IS GOOD HERE MOST OF THE TIME.

SO MAYBE THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

AS WELL AS CREDITS FOR BICYCLE PARKING, BICYCLE RACK STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UH, BECAUSE IN THEIR COMMUNITIES, THAT'S REALLY ENCOURAGED TO GET OUT AND BIKE MORE.

SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER, BUT THIS ONE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE TALKED ABOUT TO SEE IF YOU WANT ALL OF THOSE TO REMAIN.

IF YOU WANT ALL OF THOSE TO GO AWAY OR PICK AND CHOOSE.

UM, BECAUSE WHATEVER REMAINS IN THERE WILL BE RECOMMENDED TO COUNSEL, UM, IN WHATEVER FORM IT IS THAT IT ENDS UP BEING IN.

WHAT I GOT IS, IT KINDA SAYS THOSE THREE THINGS ARE, IT, IT DOESN'T REALLY GIVE YOU ANY, THERE MAY BE SOMETHING WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT MIGHT, UH, APPLY.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ABOUT LARGE PARKING SPACES.

YOU, YOU HAVE PEOPLE, THIS IS LIKE YOU SAID, THIS AREA OF TEXAS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE TO DRIVE THESE HUGE TRUCKS, DUALS AND STUFF.

AND, UH, E EITHER THEY TAKE UP MORE THAN ONE SPOT OR, UH, THEY JUST DON'T FIT AND THEY STICK OUT BACK OR FRONT, YOU KNOW, SIDE AND, UH, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF ACCOMMODATION.

I MEAN, WE'RE TRYING TO TELL THEM HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT, BUT SOMEHOW HAVE SOMETHING TO DEAL WITH THAT SITUATION.

IT IT AFFECTS PARKING.

SO IS YOUR, IS YOUR COMMENT TO ADD, UM, ALTERNATIVE PARKING CREDITS FOR EXTRA LARGE PARKING SPACES OR PERHAPS MAYBE UNDER THE TYPICAL STUDY ELEMENTS INCLUDE EXISTING DEMAND, PROJECTED DEMAND AND LARGE VEHICLE PARKING.

I MEAN, IF THEY, IF THEY HAVE A STORE LIKE TRACTOR SUPPLY OR, UH, OR SOMETHING THAT, UH, REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, MEDICAL FACILITY THAT HAS AMBULANCES YES.

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

USUALLY AMBULANCE WON'T PARK THERE, YOU KNOW, COME KNOW, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING TO ADDRESS BECAUSE THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO HAVE LESS PARKING SPOTS AND THEN A HUGE VEHICLE TAKES UP TWO SPOTS, YOU KNOW, FRONT END BACK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PULL IN AND SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD POINT.

YOU DON'T WANT 'EM TO PUT THESE LITTLE BIG PARKING SPOTS TO GET THEIR NUMBERS RIGHT.

RIGHT.

BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A NOT NOT OUR AREA KIND OF APPROACH.

WE DON'T WANT THAT.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT TOO MUCH OF THAT WHERE YOU CAN'T PARK CAN'T OPEN YOUR DOORS.

SO IS THERE A FLEXI FLEXIBLE RANGE BETWEEN THE DIMENSIONS OF A PARKING SPOT OR IS THAT A STANDARD? IT IS THE CITY STANDARD.

YEAH.

IT, THEY, WE DON'T GIVE ANY, ANY LEEWAY ON 'EM.

THIS IS, THIS IS THAT LEEWAY IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN GIVING IT, THAT WOULD BE IT.

UM, I DO NOTICE PEOPLE PARK IN TWO PARKING SPOTS.

SO PULL ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

ARE YOU GUYS CONSIDERING GIVING CREDIT FOR TWO PARKING SPACES AND WE'RE GIVING CREDIT FOR TWO PARKING SPACES IF THEY PROVIDE A LARGER SPOT? IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING OR WHAT WE'RE THINKING IS, IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING? I'M THINKING JUST YOU NEED TO SAY THAT THEY GOTTA TAILOR THEIR PARKING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS.

YEAH.

GONNA DO A PARKING STUDY.

AND, AND KEEP IN MIND THAT THAT'S CONDITION EXISTS AND THEY OUGHT TO PUT THAT IN THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID ANYTHING ABOUT ANGULAR VERSUS STREET PARKING EITHER OTHER THAN AS A CONSIDERATION, BUT IT'S HARD TO SEE WHEN YOU BACK ME OUT PARALLEL PARKING, ULAR PARKING, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I'M JUST, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FIT IN HERE OR NOT.

I'M, YEAH.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY BRAIN.

IS IS THIS A A PARKING VARIANCE PAMPHLET OR IS THIS A PARKING DESIGN PAMPHLET? UM, YEAH, MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE.

BUT YOUR EXISTING DEMAND KINDA IMPLIES WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY.

SO EXISTING DEMAND COULD INCLUDE YOUR CUSTOMERS.

YEAH, SO IT WAS INTERESTING THAT THE LITTLE SURVEY I HAD DONE, UH, THERE'S AT LEAST TWO EXAMPLES THERE OF PEOPLE WITH THE, THE BUSINESSES.

THEY HAD MUCH MORE PARKING THAN REQUIRED.

AND WE'VE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH PARKING.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER LOOKED AT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

UH, WELL, LIKE THE MALL'S A PRIME EXAMPLE OF WAY TOO MUCH PARKING WAS REQUIRED.

WELL, A, UH, PEOPLE DON'T THINK BUCKY'S HAS, UH, ENOUGH PARKING, BUT BEHIND BUCKY'S IT'S TOTALLY UNUSED.

MAYBE THE, UH, THE CUT DAY EMPLOYEES, EMPLOYEES THAT, UH, IT'S A BIG VACANT SPOT FROM THE FRONT, FROM THE CUSTOMER.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SHARP.

BUT WHAT DO WE WANT EDDIE TO ADD HERE IF ANYTHING? WE GOOD? I DON'T THINK HE HAD ANYTHING.

WE GOOD WITH THE WAY IT'S WORDED.

IT'S MORE OF A NOTE FOR PLANNERS, I GUESS, THAN ANYTHING TO NOT LET 'EM GET AWAY WITH PUTTING A LITTLE BITTY PARKING SPOTS.

MAYBE PERHAPS LOOKING AT

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PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REVISIT THAT PART AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY ON THE PAMPHLET, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT ADDRESSED ANYWHERE IN .

WELL, YEAH.

AND, AND THAT KIND OF GIVES US THE GUIDANCE.

UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS AREN'T INTERESTED IN ALTERNATIVE PARKING CREDITS FOR SMALLER SPOTS AT ALL.

NO, NO, THAT'S GOOD.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE HEB BIKE RACK IS ALWAYS FULL.

MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, RIGHT BY THEIR, THEIR PROPANE TANKS THERE IN THE FRONT.

IT'S ALWAYS FULL.

UH, I'M SURE THEY'RE COULD USE ANOTHER BIKE RACK OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT'S GOOD.

I MEAN WE, WE WANTING TO PROMOTE PEOPLE, UH, USING BIKES AND STUFF AND UH, IF THEY CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT FOR IT, BUT THEIR BUSINESS IS SOLELY MOTORCYCLES OR LAWNMOWERS OR WHATEVER PEOPLE RIDE UP ON, THEN YEAH.

I THINK IT'S GOOD THE WAY IT'S THERE.

I THINK IT'S GOOD HERE.

I'M, I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

WE, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT THOUGHT PROCESS IN OUR PARKING ORDINANCE ITSELF SINCE WE ARE GIVING CREDIT FOR COMPACT VEHICLE SPACES HERE, BUT WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING THE OTHER ISSUE.

RIGHT.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE DID HANDBOOK FOR US.

NOT THIS IS PERFECT FOR THE PUBLIC, I THINK, BUT RIGHT.

UNLESS WE NEED A CHEAT SHEET FOR US TO LOOK OUT FOR.

DON'T LET 'EM SLIP IT BY ON ME.

ALRIGHT.

WE BEAT THAT ONE UP.

YES.

WHAT ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING FLEXIBILITY? SO THIS IS THAT IDEA OF HAVING A FUTURE PARKING RESERVE.

UM, JUST ALLOW THEM TO EXPAND.

MAYBE, MAYBE THEY ARGUE THAT THEY DON'T NEED ALL THE PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DON'T QUITE BELIEVE THEIR STUDIES AND THEIR ARGUMENT.

SO WE WANT TO BE SURE AND REQUEST THAT THEY GIVE US A SITE PLAN THAT'S DESIGNED ON FUTURE EXPANSION THAT COULD BE PHASED IN RATHER THAN, UH, BUILT ALL AT ONCE.

AND THERE IS A PICTURE IN THERE OF THAT.

SHOULD YOU ADD A, SHOULD YOU ADD A SENTENCE ABOUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE ALSO FUTURE PLANNING FOR DRAINAGE CHANGES? I DON'T THINK NICOLE'S GONNA LET 'EM GET AWAY WITH NOT PUTTING IN THE DRAINAGE.

THEY'LL HAVE TO PUT IN THE DRAINAGE AHEAD OF TIME FOR THE FULL DEVELOPMENT.

WE WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THEM.

NOT, OR, OR DOING THEIR HOMEWORK AND PUTTING IN DRAINAGE, UM, AT WHATEVER THAT EXPENSES IN THE FUTURE.

IS THIS A PICTURE OF THE CREDIT UNION? ? THAT'S GONNA BE A LAKE WHEN IT RAINS.

.

WE'RE JUST TALKING PARKING RIGHT NOW.

PARDON? WE JUST TALKING PARKING RIGHT NOW.

DON'T MAKE IT TOO BIG.

YEAH.

ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING TO ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM THIS? THIS IS A GREAT DOCUMENT.

I THINK IT'S NICE.

I LIKE IT.

CARRIE, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHTS? NO, IT'S FINE.

GREAT.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

I'M, I'M IMPRESSED EDDIE.

YOU DID A GOOD JOB ON THIS.

SHERRY, YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE? I GOT MY SHARP CRAYONS OUT FOR THIS ONE.

YOU ALLUDED TO SOME HEARTBURN.

COUNCIL HAS WHAT'S, WHAT WAS THAT? NO, THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING YET.

SO WE'RE GONNA PARK ONE YET.

.

BUT THERE'S THE ONES THAT WE DON'T HAVE YET.

REDUCED SIZE PARKING SPACES AND THE RESERVES, IF THEY AGREE WITH IT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DRAFT THE ORDINANCES.

'CAUSE THEY DON'T EXIST YET, SO IT CAN'T GO.

YES.

OKAY.

I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL WANT TO, I THINK YOU WANNA GIVE THE PAMPHLET AND HAVE THEM TALK ABOUT IT AND SAY, YEAH, THAT'S GOOD.

AND THEN COME BACK HERE AND SAY WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU WANT MORE ORDINANCE BEFORE WE SEND THAT BACK TO COUNSEL? OR DID YOU WANNA JUST LET THEM BRING IT THE HE WANTED IT.

I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING, IF IF IT FITS THE ORDINANCE TOTALLY, UH, THE STAFF CAN TAKE CARE OF IT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INVOLVED.

MM-HMM .

YOU'VE GOT TWO THINGS IN HERE THAT AREN'T NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO THAT, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS I WAS ALREADY TALK THE REST OF.

IT'S GREAT.

SO CAN WE INCLUDE THE LARGE TRUCK PART IN THE ORDINANCE AS WELL WHILE WE ARE CHANGING THE, CREATING AN ORDINANCE? ARE YOU SUGGESTING MAYBE WE NEED AN ASTERISK TO SAY THESE? OH, WE'LL TELL THEM.

WE'LL TELL THEM.

WE'LL HIGHLIGHT IT AND SAY, UM, IN THIS PAMPHLET, THERE ARE TWO, UH, POSSIBILITIES THAT AREN'T IN THE ORDINANCE YET.

ARE YOU INTERESTED IN SEEING AN ORDINANCE? THE WHOLE TOPIC HERE IS VARIANCES FOR US TO HAVE LATITUDE THAT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE.

IF IT'S IN THERE, IT JUST SAYS WE'VE GOT LATITUDE FOR VARIANCES.

THEY'RE NOT DEFINED.

SO WE DO ACTUALLY WANNA DEFINE THE POSSIBLE VARIANCES IN THE ORDINANCE.

I'M THINKING YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE

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LIKE WE HAVE THE PARKING STUDIES JUST REFER AGREEMENTS, JUST REFER TO THIS DOCUMENT IN THE ORDINANCE THEN WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THIS AND THIS.

SINCE THIS IS HOW IT GOES.

IT IS NOT LONG, BUT IT'S, IT'S GONNA LAWYER, CAN YOU GET UP AND SPEAK? NO.

NO, NO.

WE THERE WOULD BE, THIS WOULD BE ADDITIONS TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE AND I, AND I'D PUT IT WHERE WE DO THE, UM, PARKING STUDIES.

THE ALTERNATE PARKING PLANS.

I WOULD ADD THESE TO IT.

SO THESE ARE THINGS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION COULD NOT AUTHORIZE IN A VARIANCE.

THEY NOT RIGHT NOW.

NOT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

WHEN THEY SAY, YEAH, IT IS AN ORDINANCE, THEN YOU CAN DO IT.

YEAH.

OKAY.

SO VARIANCES HAVE TO BE DEFINED IN THE ORDINANCE.

YEAH.

YES.

YOU CAN'T MAKE UP A VARIANCE FOR OUR PROTECTION.

YEAH, IT'S THE BEST WAY.

REGARDLESS , HE IS WORRIED ABOUT HIS JOB, BUT I'M NOT.

SO, UM, YEAH, NO, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE.

YES.

HE'S NOT THE MOST, IF YOUR JOB IN THE CITY , YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT HIS JOB OR YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT HE'S NOT WORRIED ABOUT MY JOB.

OKAY.

.

YEAH.

SO BASICALLY WE, WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION.

RECOMMENDATION THAT THEY DISCUSS IT.

ONCE THEY DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE TO HAVE SHERRY DRAFT UP THE ORDINANCE CHANGE, INCLUDING THE NEXT ITEM.

UM, WE'LL GET A FULL DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE OR REDRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE.

AND THEN COUNSEL WILL APPROVE HIS AFTER THEIR DISCUSSION.

SO, SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION A LOT OF TIMES DOES AN ALTERNATE PLAN.

MM-HMM .

AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO HOW DO THEY DO THAT? YOU'VE GOT AN ALTERNATE PLAN IN THE ORDINANCE.

YOU'VE GOT AN ALTERNATE.

IT DOESN'T DEFINE YEAH.

ALTERNATE PLAN.

YES.

IT COULD BE.

IT'S PRETTY OPEN.

IT IS PRETTY OPEN.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT I THINK.

SO I DON'T THINK THESE TWO THINGS ARE OPEN.

THE RESERVE, WHICH WOULD MEAN YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE ALL THIS.

NO, WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT CLEAN FOR THE FUTURE.

AND THE TINY LITTLE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE WE HAVE A DEFINED PARKING SPACE RIGHT NOW, THEY WOULD, I THEY NEED TO AGREE WITH THIS AND I NEED TO STICK IT IN.

YEAH, I THINK I, I I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YEAH.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, MAYBE PERHAPS WE CAN ADD FOR WIDER AND LONGER BASICALLY DONE AS WELL.

PLANNING CHEMISTRY CAN DECIDE NOT TO GRANT THEM, BUT IT MIGHT AS WELL PUT 'EM IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO HE'S THERE.

OKAY.

WELL WE CAN THROW THAT IN.

SO IF THEY MODIFY THE RECOMMENDATION TO ALSO ADD LARGER SPACES, WE CAN, AND DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BE IN THIS PAMPHLET, BUT IT BEST BE IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, THE COMMISSION TO CHOOSE FROM.

IF IT'S NOT THERE, THEN WE CAN'T CHOOSE MM-HMM .

SO YOU'RE NOT SAYING TO CHANGE THE PAMPHLET.

PAMPHLET IS FINE THE WAY IT IS.

IT'S JUST HAVE THAT OPTION.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF A COMMISSION CHOOSES TO INCLUDE, REQUIRE THAT, THEN WE THEY CAN.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

YES.

SO WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TODAY? IS THIS READY TO GO TO COUNCIL? EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? GOING TO COUNCIL? YES MA'AM.

THERE WE ARE.

ALL RIGHT.

DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR RECOMMENDING THE COUNCIL OR IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH? I THINK THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE A FORMAL ORDINANCE.

IT'S JUST LET'S, LET'S HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SOME DECISIONS.

BUT IF THEY WANNA DO A MOTION, THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEMBER HERE.

I MEAN, PERHAPS WE CAN ASK WHAT THIS TALKS ARE ON EVERYTHING.

OH, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT.

WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

OKAY.

THROUGH THE HISTORY.

YOU'RE GOOD WITH WHAT WE GOT? ALRIGHT.

MM-HMM .

PERFECT.

NEXT ITEM, DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL APPROVAL, ADDITIONAL STACKING LANE LINK FORMED UP FOR DAYCARE, CHILDCARE, KINDERGARTEN, , ET CETERA.

[8. DISCUSS AND CONSIDER RECOMMENDING FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL OF THE ADDITION OF A STACKING LANE LENGTH FORMULA FOR DAY CARE, CHILD CARE, NURSERY SCHOOL, KINDERGARTEN, PLAYGROUPS, DAY HABILITATION OR WORKSHOPS FOR DISABLED AND SUBSEQUENT CHANGES TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE.]

IT'S BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER.

WE'VE HAD THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE, UH, ALTERNATE PLANS AND THE PAMPHLET AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UM, AND SO THIS, THIS WAS MR. SERGEANT'S FORMULA THAT HE CAME UP WITH.

AND, UH, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF CALCULATING THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES.

WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO PLANNERS BEFORE THEY, THEY LIKED THE IDEA AND WE'VE BEEN HOLDING ON UNTIL WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FULL ORDINANCE CHANGE, UH, AT ONCE INSTEAD OF TRYING TO PIECEMEAL IT IN AND TORTURING SHERRY.

UM, SO IT'S BACK.

YOU GUYS WANNA TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN? MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH IT.

AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION THAT, UH, COUNSEL DISCUSS IT IF YOU GUYS

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DOES THIS COVER STACKING LANES IN ANY WAY OR FORM LEGAL WISE? NO.

NO.

DO WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING IN THERE? NOT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, AND THIS IS JUST FOR, UH, PRESCHOOL NURSERY SCHOOL.

IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR ALL STACKING LANES LIKE PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

UM, SO THEY'RE LISTED THERE.

THE USES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CURRENT STACKING LANES IS LISTED ON YOUR AGENDA ITEM.

IF YOU GUYS ONLY WANT TO LIST CERTAIN ITEMS, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHERE YOU WANT APPLY THIS AND WHERE YOU DON'T THE SAME IDEA, GIVEN SOME LATITUDE THAT THIS DOCUMENT CONVEYS.

I THINK SOMEHOW I NEED TO INCLUDE THE STACKING LANES.

BUT IT, IT IS NOT LATITUDE.

IF YOU HAVE A FORMULA, IT'S NOT LATITUDE, IT'S A FORMULA THAT YOU APPLY.

ARE YOU, SO THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANNA SAY YOU'VE GOTTA PLUG IN YOUR CALCULATOR OF THESE EQUATIONS.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER WE OKAY.

THEY NEED TO HAVE A, SOME, SOME WIGGLE ROOM THERE.

YEAH.

SO THIS IS THE CURRENT ORDINANCE AND IT, IT KIND OF GIVES YOU THIS FORMULA.

THE FORMULA THAT'S BEFORE YOU TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE ADDITIONAL STAFF THAT MAY BE USED TO ESCORT STUDENTS.

UM, AND IT GIVES A LITTLE LEEWAY TO THE BUSINESSES AS FAR AS THEIR BUSINESS SIZE.

IF YOU DO THE MATH, IT KIND OF, OKAY, I JUST WANNA GET THIS.

I DIDN'T, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS FORMULA.

OKAY.

IT'S, IT'S PRETTY VAGUE AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS.

BUT THEN I SHOWED IT TO MY HUSBAND BECAUSE HE IS SMARTER THAN ME AND HE HAD THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT I DID.

WHO DOES? MY HUSBAND.

YOUR HUSBAND.

WHAT DOES YOUR HUSBAND DO? THEY WITH YOU? THAT'S NOT IMPORTANT.

IT'S MARRIED TO HER.

.

COME ON.

WELL, WE NEED TO KNOW THAT HE, HE'S SMARTER THAN HER.

HE IS MY SOUNDING BOARD AND HE'S SMARTER THAN ME.

OKAY.

SO WELL, ENGINEERS HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TALKING TO PEOPLE.

SO .

YEAH.

AND WE'RE JUST TWO REGULAR PEOPLE.

WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS.

A LOT OF LAWYERS ARE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T LIKE MATH .

OH, OKAY.

IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T LIKE MATH, WE DIDN'T LIKE THE WAY IT WAS TAUGHT.

I'M SURE WE WOULD'VE LOVED IT.

THE WAY I CAME UP WITH THIS IS, UH, THE FIRST THING I WAS WORRIED ABOUT ENVISIONING, UH, CARS THAT WOULD HAVE FIVE, UH, CHILDREN IN IT.

YES.

UHHUH.

.

SO THAT NUMBER, IS IT A PRACTICAL NUMBER? OKAY.

AND EDDIE TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT.

IT WAS SORT OF A COMPROMISE.

NOW WE WOULD CALL IT UDACITY, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER TERM WE DON'T NEED TO TALK ABOUT.

OKAY.

HERE'S, HERE'S THE THING.

N THE NUMBER OF 30 MINUTE LOADING, UNLOADING TIME PERIODS, ARE YOU ADDING THEM ALL TOGETHER? OR IS ED JUST HOW MANY LOADING OR HOW MANY UNLOADING, HOW MANY 30 MINUTES ADD? SO IF TOGETHER, IF YOU GOT A TWO HOUR PERIOD, WE'RE DOING FOUR OR 30 MINUTE ONES, THAT WOULD BE FOUR N EQUALS FOUR.

MM-HMM .

SO IF YOU HAVE, IS THAT FOUR IN THE MORNING, FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON.

TOTAL NUMBER? IS THAT FOUR PICKING UP AND FOUR DROPPING OFF AND THAT, SO YOU'RE GONNA COME UP WITH EIGHT.

CORRECT.

AND HOW, WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO IF YOU ADD THEM TOGETHER? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHEN THE STACKING LANE IS, WHO'S SHOWING UP AT THIS TIME? IT'S NOT SPREADING OUT THROUGH, THROUGH THE DAY.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

'CAUSE IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO PICK UP.

SO WHY WOULD YOU TAKE BOTH INTO ACCOUNT? WELL, YOU'RE DIVIDED INTO THE STUDENT CAPACITY.

SO N IS A LITTLE NUMBER THEN IT'S A BIG NUMBER.

YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THAT.

IT, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT MORNING VERSUS AFTERNOON.

WE MAY NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH.

SO LOADING AND UNLOADING THE, THE, THE, THE WAY I SAW IT WAS IT DOES SAY LOADING.

IT DOES SAY UNLOADING.

SO THEY'RE 30 MINUTE PERIODS.

IF THEY BOTH HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME, THEN IT'S STILL JUST A 30 MINUTE PERIOD WITH WHATEVER THE TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS IS.

SO SOME SCHOOLS WILL DO MORNING SCHOOL AND AFTERNOON SCHOOL.

SO THERE'S A PERIOD WHEN PEOPLE ARE DROPPING OFF AND, AND PEOPLE ARE PICKING UP AT THE SAME TIME.

SO YOU'RE, SO YOU'RE, YOU DIDN'T CAUGHT UP BETWEEN MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

YOU JUST CALL THEM LOADING, UNLOADING.

YEAH.

AS, AND YOU'VE GOT KIDS LEAVING AND COMING AT THE SAME TIME.

WHETHER YOU'RE LEAVING OR COMING.

IT'S A 30 MINUTE PERIOD.

HOPEFUL WE'VE GOT A GAP IN BETWEEN THE TWO.

THAT WOULD BE CONFUSING.

IT'S REALLY MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT BECAUSE THE ONLY TIME THEY'RE GONNA USE THIS TO MAKE RIGHT .

OKAY.

SO THAT'S MY PROBLEM WITH M LOADING, UNLOADING STAFF.

IS THAT PER SHIFT? IS THAT COMBINED DURING THE PROCESS OF UNLOADING OR LOADING? HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS ARE OUT THERE TAKING KIDS OUTTA THE CAR? RIGHT? IS THAT, ONCE AGAIN, IS

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YEAH.

THIS IS JUST DURING A, DURING ONE PERIOD.

YES, THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S THE INCREMENTS.

SEE, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT CLEAR.

OKAY.

SO LOADING, UNLOADING.

SO YOU WOULD ONLY I DON'T, SO WE, WE JUST NEED TO CLARIFY PER 30 MINUTE LOADING, UNLOADING TIME PERIOD.

AND AS FAR AS THE M THE DEFINITION FOR MI HAVE NO IDEA.

, I HAVE NO IDEA.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT STUDENT CAPACITY.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT SIBLINGS ALL IN THE SAME CAR.

AND UM, ALSO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN SIBLINGS IN ALL IN THE SAME CAR.

YOU'RE FIVE STUDENTS PER CAR.

YOU HAVE YEAH, YOU HAVE SOME, SOMEBODY WHO HAS THREE KIDS IN THIS SCHOOL AND THE THREE CHILDREN ARE BEING COUNTED SEPARATELY FOR THIS.

BUT THEY SHOW UP IN ONE CAR.

I KNOW THERE'D PROBABLY JUST BE TWO KIDS PER CAR.

BUT, UM, ALRIGHT.

YEAH.

YEAH.

MY THOUGHT ONE, ONE THING IS IF, IF A PERSON, IF A COMPANY WANTS TO, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH SACKING AREA MM-HMM .

UH, TO MEET ANY OF THE ORDINANCE, THEY HAVE WAYS TO GET AROUND IT BY ADDING MORE LOADING ZONE TIMES, 30 MINUTE INCREMENTS AND MORE STAFF.

SO IT GIVES 'EM THE FLEXIBILITY TO DO WITH WHAT LIVE WITH WHAT THEY HAVE.

OKAY.

I HAD SOME OTHER ISSUES.

OH, NOT ISSUES QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS BESIDES CONFUSED DIANE ABOUT THE WORDING OF THE FORMULA.

PUTTING AN EXAMPLE IN THERE WOULD PROBABLY SOLVE ALL THAT.

THE, HERE'S THE THING.

UH, HAVE Y'ALL DRAWN THIS OUT ON AN EXISTING PARKING LOT TO SEE HOW IT WORKS? HAVE Y'ALL STUDIED THAT? AND HAVE YOU TALKED TO ADMINISTRATORS AND PARENTS ABOUT THIS? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT YOU THROWING THIS OVER SAYING ABOUT A PROBLEM AND THERE, WHERE'S THE PROBLEM? WHO TOLD YOU THERE'S A PROBLEM? ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

OKAY.

SO I SPECIFICALLY, UH, THE CHAPEL WOOD ISSUE IS WHERE I WAS FAMILIAR WITH IT BEING AN ISSUE.

IS IT, UH, AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO MEET THE ORDINANCE, BUT THE ORIGINAL, BUT THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO MAKE A BIG LOOP SO IT COULD REALLY WORK.

AND THEY ABANDONED THAT PLAN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FORCE 'EM TO DO IT.

OR EVEN NOW WITH THIS FORMULA, IT MATCHES TO IT.

IT SAYS THEY CAN DO IT 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FOUR PEOPLE, UH, OUT THERE.

SO MY QUESTION ISN'T, YOU SEE A PROBLEM IN CHAPEL WOOD, THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY HAVE COME TO YOU WITH THE PROBLEM.

WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE THEM A SOLUTION WHEN NO ONE IN THE INDUSTRY THINKS THEY HAVE A PROBLEM.

HAS WHERE CHAPEL WOOD IS LYING.

WHERE ELSE IS THERE A PROBLEM? AS THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING ENDED UP HAVE SHOT STAFF DOWN BEFORE WHEN WE COME BEFORE THEM WITH A SOLUTION AND THEY'RE LIKE, WHO TOLD YOU THERE WAS A PROBLEM? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY THAT HAVE THE PROBLEM? AND THEN, UH, THE IDEA, HAVE WE DONE THE SAME THING WITH PARKING ORDINANCES TO TALK TO THE WE ENTRANCES COMES IN WITH VARIANCES, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE CITY HAD MADE A SURVEY AND HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE ORDINANCES.

NO, THE THAT JUST, THAT WAS GROWTH THROUGHOUT THE, THE YEARS THAT WAS GROWTH.

THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC THING.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO ASK.

AND UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT MAYBE I'LL HAVE A LITTLE MORE HOMEWORK.

THAT'S ALL.

I'M NOT SAYING THERE ISN'T A PROBLEM.

I HAVE NO IDEA.

I HAVEN'T HAD TO DROP A KID OFF AT PRESCHOOL.

I WAS SURPRISED TOO WITH CHAPEL WOOD IS NO ONE USES A STACKING LANE BECAUSE THEY ALL PARK.

THEY ALL PARK AND THEY BRING THEIR KIDS IN.

YES.

SO THAT'S WHY I SAID IT REALLY ON THEM.

YOU ONLY NEED A SECOND LANE IF IT'S RAINING.

I'VE SEEN THE PROBLEM AT FIRST METHODIST ALSO 'CAUSE THEY WERE BACKING OUT BEYOND Y POND AND THEY NEVER SAW THAT.

UH, I THINK THEY'VE STOPPED ACCEPTING KIDS THAT MM-HMM .